July 25, 2010

LKL tonight – Young brothers convicted of killing their dad

Posted: 12:00 PM ET

Alex & Derek King are two brothers, convicted of murdering their father, when they were children. Almost nine years later, Alex King joins Larry with an update on life after prison, moving on, and his attempt to help other young people stop violence.

From the Pensacola News Journal – "Derek King and his brother, Alex, were convicted of the Nov. 26, 2001, murder of their father, Terry King. Derek was 13 and Alex was 12. The brothers pleaded guilty to third-degree murder, with Derek admitting to using a baseball bat to crush his father’s skull and Alex confessing to helping come up with the murder plan."

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Do you think children charged with violent crimes should be tried as adults?

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Kristy Lynn   July 21st, 2010 6:00 pm ET

Why are these two out of prison? After 18 they should have been moved to an adult prison for life.


Joan   July 21st, 2010 7:52 pm ET

Yes, they killed their father and should remain in prison for life. What's age got to do with it. The crime remains the same.


jorge bernardo   July 21st, 2010 8:05 pm ET

my comment is for the tea party, in my opinion the whites do not undestand each other they need to use more common sense in politics what do you expect for the first time in history we have a first africain americain president .the cocaissin always critize the africain americain people it is time to give up this race. I love this president he is doing a great job he never gives up yes you can this president deserves a second chance we should give him that chance for what he has achieved until now.
yours truly

jorge bernardo


Mike Light   July 21st, 2010 8:32 pm ET

I would like to know why the interest in Obama's birth certificate, or lack of one, has stopped being an issue anymore? When his wife made the statement in a speech in Kenya, South Africa that Obama was indeed a nature born citizen of Kenya and why he traveled to so many foreign countries under DIFFERENT passports with no explanation makes me wonder who he is pay off! I have heard the has spent some $980 million to hush this up and that tells me that anyone can buy anything he wants if he has enough money!!!
I wish SOMEONE would stand up and clear up this issue before the next election! But I also wonder what will happen if and when someone does finally find out he didn't qualify for president in the first place! What do we do about all the bills/laws he has signed?
I think he should be run out of the US on a rail!


Kathie   July 21st, 2010 8:40 pm ET

do the crime, pay the fine. anyone committing murder over the age of 7 belongs in adult court and needs to be subjected to the appropriate penalty. there are 2 teen-agers in kenosha, wi who murdered a sleeping woman in her bed after they cut the power/telephone lines all for an xBox. after committing murder they went home to bed and the families tried to coverup evidence of the crime. now the younger teen wants to be waived back into juvenile court so he can be unleashed on society in a few years where he will probably commit serious crimes again. no matter what way you look at it murder is wrong and waiving into juvenile court is just as wrong.


Nicole   July 21st, 2010 8:57 pm ET

When did we stop allowing kids to have a voice? Good kids don't murder their parents. Did anyone try to listen to them before they went through with the plan to kill their father?


Julie   July 21st, 2010 9:02 pm ET

Tough question. If they were victims of severe abuse(as children) and were acting in self-defense, then how could they have fully understood the full impact of their actions? Having a severely abusive parent could disrupt the emotional mindset of any child. I don't however, know all the facts of this case and the details.


MikeyG   July 21st, 2010 9:06 pm ET

Yes but no death penalty, The difference there of the hook After 21 or 25. But no death penalty aborts the correction of mistakes made by the authority incarcerating them. Murder is final for the victim,


Rob   July 21st, 2010 9:06 pm ET

I do not believe this little punk should have ever been released from prison. He knew what he and his brother were doing, both need the death penality before they strike again.


Dr B   July 21st, 2010 9:07 pm ET

This Sherrod incident should have brought the races together. Instead Congresswoman Lee and Jesse Jackson, earlier on CNN commenting on the incident, take the opportunity to again polarize us with their racist rants. He still never apologized for his inflammatory statements against the Duke Lacrosse team that were railroaded by him and all the other black leaders. He and Sharpton had these poor kids convicted and not once admitted their error when the alleged "victim" admitted lying. At least the parties involved in this Sherrod issue apologized and admitted their error.
Sharpton, Jackson and Lee have done as much to propagate racism as the radical white supremacists ...Shame on them!!


Jim Wiseman   July 21st, 2010 9:11 pm ET

What a joke! Don't take any responsibility and keep blaming others for a troubled life. He should've been charged as an adult and should be put away for life.


Brian   July 21st, 2010 9:16 pm ET

No I don't even for a minute believe juveniles should be charged as adults but, when they are black it usually goes without saying. Show me 3 black kids that got some sort of mercy from courts as opposed to ANY white juveniles.


Aniel Bhalla   July 21st, 2010 9:17 pm ET

CARE,HOPE,LOVE,JOY and REGARDS for ONE and ALL.WE NEED TO GO INDEPTH INTO ALL SUCH ACTS and ASSUME COLLECTIVE SOCIAL RESPONSIBILITY for OUR CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Fahim Lodhi   July 21st, 2010 9:18 pm ET

NO! These children were manipulated by a child predator! Yes what they did was wrong, but these are kids! With help they can be turned around! While their crimes shouldn't be gone unnoticed, they shouldn't be sent to prison for LIFE!


Hondo   July 21st, 2010 9:20 pm ET

Larry give me a break. The poor kids!!!! Their father is dead! It seems like they took a little more away from him then they lost!!

Lets pray to God that these boys are rehabilitated!!! Yeah, right!


Jennifer-----Texas   July 21st, 2010 9:21 pm ET

PUT THIS KID BACK IN PRISON. wHY WAS HE LET OUT??? HE ACTS LIKE HE DID NOTHING. He is not sorry for what he did. He is blaming that man so he could go free. THIS BOY IS SICK.


Fran   July 21st, 2010 9:22 pm ET

I feel sorry for those boys, yes it was very wrong for them to kill their father. However child abuse can alter a person's life tremendously. They were severely traumatized & manipulated. I think the woman that is there as a Mother to 1 of those young boys is awesome. That is true love & you don't see that type of love this day in age. I wish the best to all of them!


Bruce Carden   July 21st, 2010 9:23 pm ET

No, I know of a young man who killed his Father while he was asleep on the couch. Turned out he was horribly abused as a child. The attorney was contacted by another abused person who told the attorney, "you know he had to do it don't you?


Nadine Walker   July 21st, 2010 9:25 pm ET

Nathaniel Brazil was a kid when he "accidentally" shot his teacher. It wasn"t planned but he still sits in jail after over almost 10 years. Do we live in a country where justice see the color of the skin? I do not condone what Nathaniel did but these two boys living in the same state, planned and carried out a murder and spent 6 years in jail. Nathaniel is African American, I get it, he is a monster and does not deserve a second chance? Where is the compassion for him? Why is that lady not fighting for Nathaniel?


Jake   July 21st, 2010 9:25 pm ET

Yes children like that should be tried as adults. This kid was 13, he's able to see pg-13 movies which show violence then he's able to be held responsible for commuting violence, such as "crushing his fathers skull.

I think he should be shipped right back behind bars, prisons do not fix people, they just keep them from harming the rest of the community. This movement to help others stop violence is just for public relations, that's all. This kid is older but still able to make that decision to kill.


Vicki   July 21st, 2010 9:26 pm ET

I strongley believe kids should be tried as adults exspecially if they kill another person. The kid that is on now should be left in jail for a long tme, before he does something again to someone else.You can tell that there is something not right about him.I can't believe that women on there calling herself his mother lets him into her home with her own children


Dr B   July 21st, 2010 9:26 pm ET

Children and young adults do not have a developed frontal lobe that
control impulsive and dangerous behavior. An abused child can act out to defend themselves inappropriately. This does not indicate dangerous behavior as an adult and is not necessarily a predictor of this individual becoming a danger to themselves or society when developed. It is not appropriate to try a child as an adult.


maryjoarchila   July 21st, 2010 9:30 pm ET

It is clear that children should not be tried as adults! We call them children because they are not adults. Death and consequences which are clear to adults are not so in the minds of children, even teenagers. Kids think they're going to live forever because they have not quite grasped that life does end, they have imaginations and fantasies that contradict reality and even the most grounded young people can fail to think like adults. I believe there is a time in everyone's life where a person suddenly realizes that he/she is going to die, it is then that a person BEGINS to think like an adult. I am aware that kids can be cruel, and even commit horrible crimes. It is possible that a child can be fully aware of the crime he is committing, but what I think is impossible, is that a child can realize completely the consequences of his actions, and even if somehow he/she could fully know what he/she is doing, that child certainly lacks the full capacity to think clearly and thoroughly of all possible alternatives. As an adult, a person is more likely to be equipped with the ability to weigh out the pro's and con's of a particular action. Children are very quick to choose the first thing they think of. Fortunately, most children do not think immediately of criminal behavior. When a child uses criminal behavior to solve a problem or get what he wants, we must know that he did not have the skills, confidence, knowledge, or ability to make a better choice. I think people should consider themselves lucky to have led a life free of the pain that many others suffer daily.


MikeyG   July 21st, 2010 9:31 pm ET

You would be surprised at how often someone does something as horrific as murder, the transform themtelves or be transformed, but there is no guarantee that either will occur. That lady I suspect is unusual, The young man appears transformed, I would take the risk with him, but the wrong transformer could happen, I caution go slow and controlled here. but you would be surprised how many can change and it would be nice to pulled the transformed ones out


Nathan Pugh   July 21st, 2010 9:33 pm ET

Every child matures at a different rate. Some 13 year-olds are indeed very adult-like, but most are not. As a result, I feel that we should neither give-up on them nor try them as adults. Many of these malleable young people can change if they find the love and support they need and deserve. I've taught middle schoolers for years and see these young people who lack love reaching out. Give them a chance!


Advocate   July 21st, 2010 9:36 pm ET

This story is complicated and has a lot of factors that came together to result in Terry King's murder. The judge and jury knew all of the circumstances and made the best decisions in accordance with Florida law. There is a LOT to this story, and making snap judgements about these boys is ignorant.


MichelleI   July 21st, 2010 9:38 pm ET

I am glad to hear Alex is doing so well, however, in circumstances when children, say 13+, have histories of violent behavior, bullying, animal cruelty, etc. I'm sorry to say that as a mother I would in fact want them kept away from other kids. Unfortunately, many of THOSE types of kids tend to be repeat offenders, so I would have to say that trying children as adults would have to go case by case, and is, in some instances, for the protection of the communities. I wish Alex continued success.


Sheri   July 21st, 2010 9:38 pm ET

I am watching this show and Alex's lawyer is absolutely right. Children cannot be tried as adults, as they are NOT adults, their brains are not fully developed, they cannot be judged the same as adults. I am a psychotherapist who has worked with kids for years and understands child development and it really upsets me when the legal system does not recognize that there is a difference between kids and adults. I hope this can change in the legal system. Alex is a tremendous example of what is possible. Alex we are all proud of you and thank God you had wonderful people to support you.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 21st, 2010 9:39 pm ET

Mike Light

Looks as though the fires of racism still glow darkly between your ears. Who will you accept the truth from? We were discussing if children should be tried as adults if charged with violent crimes. What's the point if YOU, as an adult, remain hidden from the truth because you haven't heard the veracity you desire? You need coddled and fed...and burped....often. It will help to expel that which you can't handle on your own...."Out of the mouth's of babes"...palms 8:2...a handy reference


Diane   July 21st, 2010 9:41 pm ET

This kid has a very selective memory.


Jennifer-----Texas   July 21st, 2010 9:42 pm ET

THESE TWO BOYS SHOULD HAVE GOTTEN THE DEATH PENILTY. DID ROSIE O'DONNELL """PAY OFF"""" THE JUDGE OR MEADITOR????? MONEY GOT THESE TWO MURDURERS OFF. THIS IS SO SICK.


emmy   July 21st, 2010 9:43 pm ET

I am happy nto see such a success story, but the "foster mom" is speaking from a position of love. Many of us in Pa. know the story of Jordan Brown. We feel for EVERY child who is charged with murder, but clearly killing a pregnant woman and her unborn child, as Jordan Brown did, leaves more than one family hurt. The family of the victims hurt also.
We need to find a system somewhere between allowing a child to commit murder and automatically be free as soon as they become an adult, and putting someone who is clearly a child, in an adult prison for life.
Perhaps the justice system needs to take a look at the CASA system, ( Court Appointed Special Advocates) for children thrown into the CYS system, and in need of an advocate who puts their needs ahead of all else, and see if they couldn't utilize such advocates for kids in the juvenile justice system.


James   July 21st, 2010 9:45 pm ET

First – Alex can be KING of which he wants.

Second – Can you spell PAS – PARENTAL ALIENATION SYNDROME?
That inadequate male, Chavis, alienated this teenager from his parent. Alex is not to blame.


Jennifer   July 21st, 2010 9:46 pm ET

What is wrong with people today? It doesn't matter what age you are! If you do the crime you should pay with time! It doesn't matter if you are ten years old or 90 years old. What about the victims rights?? A LIFE was taken! That is not something that can be replaced! Throw the book at both of them and leave them there!!! Abuse or not, there is always another way to go about it!! MURDER is NOT the answer!!!!


Cajazz76:24:8   July 21st, 2010 9:49 pm ET

Jennifer...Texas

YUP! Spoken like a true Texan...and spelled the same way...


Kenneth   July 21st, 2010 9:50 pm ET

These boys committed a horrific act and they're being depicted as heroes on Larry King. Disgusting.


Clarence ---- Texas   July 21st, 2010 9:50 pm ET

I believe that compassion should be used in our criminal justice system but it will be more effective and more accepted when it is applied fairly, without regard to race and social-economic status.

It does amaze me how so many otherwise smart & educated "humans" can see some child criminals as animals in full control of their actions while the same actions from a blond haired blue-eyed child is seen as "regretable mistakes" of a disadvantaged and misguided kid simply lacking the right "environment" or love.

Don't forget that Katherine's original motive was to write a book, which she is now also promoting...


corey   July 21st, 2010 9:50 pm ET

What is wrong with you people blogging on here that those boys still need to be in prison????? Do you not have a sympathetic bone in your body??? Seriously unless you are willing ,if it was possible to go back in time & take one of there places & sit in that court room just where they sat on all those days again & again having to try just to make it into that court room all those days our so called "justice system" drug out.
Not I or probably a large majority of us on this site can EVER EVER!!!! know what those two cute little boys had to endure all those years in those prisons & horrifying places!!!! I can only imagine what they went through. Really ask your self could you have made it this far in there place,& I know religion is a touchy subject but those of you who believe, aren't we supposed to forgive those who sin? Don't be so judgmental about things or people until you've walked a mile in there shoes'.my once wise grandma told me. With this I think is very good advise. thank you for listening to my opinion.


Troy   July 21st, 2010 9:51 pm ET

I am completely disgusted. They commited cold blooded murder with a bat. On there single parent father. They make seem like he was poor and struggling and he deserved what he got. I am stunned. They beat a man with a bat till he died. And these ladies are holding them up like Jesus walking the earth. Sad I wonder what would happen if these kids were black.


JKR   July 21st, 2010 9:52 pm ET

I HAVE FORGIVEN X SON IN LAW CONVICTED OF ABUSING MY ADULT DAUGHTER....BUT CAN NOT FORGIVE WHAT HE EXPOSES MY 2 GRANDDAUGHTERS THEY ARE 7&8 AND THIS HAPPENED 7 YEARS AGO WHEN HE HAS VISITATION...

JKR


debora   July 21st, 2010 9:55 pm ET

There was never any abuse documented in the home. He has never felt any remorse and doesn't even think about the crime – he's learned nothing and that spells sociopath –
It's not OK to watch your father being beat to death and do nothing.


Sheila   July 21st, 2010 9:56 pm ET

Kids need to be kept in juvenile courts. That is why we have juvenile courts – why not use them. To say a kid should be in an adult prison is unconscionable. They deserve a second chance and until this country really steps up to the plate and cares for kids in need, juvenile court is the only help they'll get. You won't understand this until its your kid in trouble...then its too late. You'll be fighting the same backward thinking in most of these comments. Good luck


Jacquie Howard   July 21st, 2010 9:56 pm ET

I absolutely do NOT believe that children should be tried as adults. Children's brains are not fully formed and functioning and most times crimes are crimes of rage, which children have not learned to control. That's why children do not become adults legally until they are 18. Even at 18, I'm not sure they should be tried as adults, but I think a psychological exam would be required.
Children do wrong all the time, that's why they need adults to teach them right from wrong. They need to learn to control rage. And they need to learn how to notify someone if they are being abused. There are a lot of things that children need to learn, and most children criminals I've seen have had little or no adult input in their young lives.
The route they went through with these two children is the best that I've seen so far.


Neal   July 21st, 2010 9:58 pm ET

There should be a Federal law barring children under the age of 18 from trying children as adults and serving time in adult prisons! We as Americans we love to point our fingers around the world on human rights when we try and wherehouse children in adult prisons!


Troy   July 21st, 2010 9:58 pm ET

They killed their father. Now they are blaming on the father. Sad.


Mallory   July 21st, 2010 9:58 pm ET

Those boys should have never been let out of jail. Who's to say they wouldn't do it again?? People are just giving them excuses because they were young. They killed their dad, how could they have not been aware of what they were doing!! Why should they have a life when they took someone elses?!?!? Send them back!!


Troy   July 21st, 2010 9:59 pm ET

Not the slightest bit of remorse. Not the slightest bit


Earl. Smith   July 21st, 2010 10:00 pm ET

Their was a recently highly publicized rape trial involving Dunbar Village in West Palm Beach, Florida where the teens (ages 9 – 15) were eventually tried as adults and sentenced to 30-40 years in adult prison. Should children be tried as adults?


Kellie   July 21st, 2010 10:00 pm ET

The boy is on drugs... He is falling asleep right on the show... his eyes keep slowly closing, going blurry... INSANE... he lives in my town, goes to my school (hopefully not MY campus)... That freaks me out!! This boy killed his father because he didn't want to get in trouble!!! He chose to run away... admitted he was in love with the guy... And where is the information on his father? I really haven't heard that he did anything wrong?

Thanks ROSIE!!!


TC   July 21st, 2010 10:00 pm ET

The people who say they should have stayed in prison...............Wrong! These boys were living with evil, evil that brain washed them into these actions. Also doing things to the boys that should have never been done. Just like when they steal a chlid and do bad things. These boys deserve to know that not every adult treats them this way. Get a freckin clue will you. They were living in human hell.


mary   July 21st, 2010 10:00 pm ET

I don't know if it is just me, but I get this eery feeling looking at this boy. He looks like he is on something. He has no sorrow at all for what happened to his father. Something is wrong with him, and they let him free? Guess Money talks! I understand that children at such a young age do not have fully developed brains, but something is wrong with this kid. He does not show an ounce of remorse for his dad being brutally killed! That is not normal!


AJ, Potsdam, NY   July 21st, 2010 10:01 pm ET

Many years ago, Ann Landers published a short essay on love. The last line read "If you have love in your life, it can make up for a great many things that you lack. If you do not have love, no matter what else there is, it is not enough." It has never been better stated than that.


TC   July 21st, 2010 10:02 pm ET

Children can be charged as adults depending on the crime. The crime here was the father letting a man in who abused his son's. While the cats away, the mice will play. These boys were used and abused. Different story, then others.


Kimberly   July 21st, 2010 10:02 pm ET

These two should NOT have spent a single minute in jail. The abuse they suffered was sentence enough. Let any of you who have judged them walk even on mile in their shoes and then you can judge.


gustavo guido   July 21st, 2010 10:03 pm ET

The United States needs more attorneys like Mrs.Weinbtraub and citizens like Mrs. Medico. Instead of ffilling prison like we are doing. We need to help kids that are innocent. look at the root cause of the problem. Alex keep up the good work. God Bless You!


Marie Moncure   July 21st, 2010 10:03 pm ET

I agree with Kathryn Medico when she said people who are incarcerated deserve a chance for rehabilitation, especially at the young age of Alex King. I hope he does not disappoint society and continues making himself a better person. Rosy O'Donnell was a generous person in many ways. I, however, wonder if Alex is on medication when watching him on Larry King Live. I believe with the right help, professional people and Alex's inner-strength and beliefs he will be a productive and happy member of society. I am happy to see the glass half full.


Troy   July 21st, 2010 10:04 pm ET

The father busted his butt to provide for them, when he tried to keep them from Chaves they ran away. When he tried harder they beat him with a bat. A bat. Blood all over. They say they werent in the room But.....Chaves got convicted of washing there clothes....WOW. Amazing.


Fantastic Show   July 21st, 2010 10:04 pm ET

One of your best, thanks Larry.


Kathy   July 21st, 2010 10:06 pm ET

I actually was totally behind this kid a 100% – no we don't know all the details but there was obviously a lot more going on then we will ever be privvy to – for once it is great to see a successful ending – and hats off to his adoptive Mom for recognizing that this kid was deep down a good human being – good luck to him and his brother – I hope they take what they have learnt and use it to help others in a similar situation!


Troy   July 21st, 2010 10:06 pm ET

Neal ..they killed him with a bat. They are not children anymore. Hearing his skull shatter and seeing all that blood. There is no coming back from that. Warehousing or not !!


gretta   July 21st, 2010 10:06 pm ET

It amazes me that anyone can say that a child has the emotional and mental capabilities of an adult. No they should not be tried as an adult. Let's get them help and no create adulT criminals.


Rita   July 21st, 2010 10:08 pm ET

Loved the show

good luck alex, bless you catherine, what an example!!!!

Everyone deserves a second chance, especially kids!!


Rose   July 21st, 2010 10:08 pm ET

These were two very confused boys. And they were both confused for different reasons and because of different circumstances.
While I'm not condoning what they did I understand it, and I understand them.
They've tried so hard to make something out of their second chance. And while they've both trailed off the straight and narrow I know they will find their way back on it.
At least I hope so...


Troy   July 21st, 2010 10:08 pm ET

Say it with me....Baseball bat to my fathers head...Over and Over and Over


Kassandra   July 21st, 2010 10:12 pm ET

I honestly think that this young man has a wonderful life ahead of him. Sure, Alex has a horrible past that cannot be erased but still he was a little boy when this happened. Being a child doesn't necessarily justify the crime but nothing can be changed now. He has a second chance in life to finally get it right. This story has affected me, I don't know why. I truly believe that he has a special place in this world, I'd actually like to meet him one day.


Amelia   July 21st, 2010 10:12 pm ET

Alex King should not be sitting in Larry King's studio giving this interview, and the brother should not be wherever he is now. It does not matter that they were 12 and 13 at the time; they still committed *murder*. If you commit a violent crime, that should be a ONE WAY ticket to PRISON. No appeal, no legal debate, no parole, no excuses.. "Go to Jail. Go Directly to Jail." etc. etc. These brothers deserve NOTHING except the inside of a prison cell for the rest of their lives. We will NEVER put any real dent in violent crimes in this country until we put our collective foot down and stop coddling those who commit such crimes.


joanne drummond   July 21st, 2010 10:17 pm ET

What kind of humanity are we that we treat children as adults. the USA has more children serrving time than all of the countries in the entire world. Is it a safer country? Absolutely not. One of the highest crime rates in the world and more people incarcerated per capita than any other country. R U nuts?


Connie   July 21st, 2010 10:17 pm ET

The answer to that question is definitely NO. Children at that age are very impressionable. They follow from the time they are born what we teach them to do. If they live in a violent home then yes the chances of that child or children will learn that type of behavior. At that age children are looking up to us, the adults, and I mean all the adults in their lives for guidance and that alone is the reason why as parents we need to make sure that our children are protected from bad influences. Also a child may have an underlying medical issue that causes rage. My son for one has Aspberger's Syndrome, a form of Autism, he, until we were able to get it under control had rage issues from the time he was 3. So you just can' t throw a child away. There is always a reason a child acts out with violence. I for one am glad Alex was given a second chance. Thanks to all the adults who believed in him. And that will make the difference in his life.


Troy   July 21st, 2010 10:18 pm ET

If they were another skin-color...We would not even be having this conversation. Period


Dave Koch   July 21st, 2010 10:18 pm ET

Alex King appears to be a well adjusted articulate and intelligent young man with great potentials. He is the poster child for why we need to revise our national policies on juvenile crimes, irrespective of the severity of those crimes. Children cannot be held to the same degree of accountability as an adult. Alex was a very confused little boy who was under the influence of someone who was much older and who had ulterior motives that no thirteen-year-old could possibly understand.


Saki   July 21st, 2010 10:19 pm ET

I don't understand those people who commented here and said those kids should remain in jail. What is wrong with those people?
All of you and those kids need to experience LOVE.
People who have no experience with dealing with kids in this world can say that "they should still be in jail" or something like that. Those of you not experienced LOVE and the importance of kids, become an adult and make all kind of wrong dicisions. It is pretty sad to see many of you here needs mental help. Please give your kids LOVE....


Cajazz76:24:8   July 21st, 2010 10:20 pm ET

Society does wonders without binding law to insure the safety and protection of its young. When young children can act out and take the life of anyone in such a violent and vicious manner, then they should be adjudicated for the crime without deference to age. It's the result of being born with controlled intentions, then acting them out uncontrollably. We all have the propensity to become violent and take another's life and we all should be held accountable under the law. There is no plausible need for a 'child clause' as a defense to ruthless murder...


Rose   July 21st, 2010 10:21 pm ET

Before you people start passing judgment on who is or isn't worthy of life. Ask yourself the circumstances; were they abused? neglected? did they try to find another way out? were they pinned up against a wall with no where to go? were they so afraid that they felt like they had no other choice?
Obviously the judges and lawyers knew something you ignorant people don't and that is why they are out right now.
Learn to think before you speak.


JoAnn   July 21st, 2010 10:24 pm ET

No child under the age of 18 should be tried as an adult. Our system of justice needs AN OVERHAUL. They are not adults. They are children. Children these days are exposed and grown up with violence and sex on tv. They learn this from us because we allow it. We, as a society are to blame. I have seen little parenting from the parents of this generation.


***   July 21st, 2010 10:25 pm ET

Where is the book deal? That will be the next step after the talk show circuit. Sad what this world has become. We allow our schools and hospitals and veterans and unemployed to struggle to stay afloat yet anyone who commits a crime or is a mistress or is just stupid gets a reality show, book deals, some sort of monetary compensation for being scum.


Nancy Pew   July 21st, 2010 10:27 pm ET

Children should not be tried as adults for violent crimes because they generally are treated the same as adults. Often they do not benefit from the same protections as adults because their limitations as children are rarely given consideration.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 21st, 2010 10:28 pm ET

@Neal

We have the technology to build Sesame Street Prisons...and even the Universities to produce Jelly bean judges...What is the problem meting out punishment to pablum pukers? Guaranteed your philosophy would change if you found yourself in a field of corn surrounded by bloodthirsty toddlers...lol


Joanne   July 21st, 2010 10:35 pm ET

I am stunned that so many people on this blog have the attitude they do. I agree with Corey. What ever happend to compassion ? And listen to the tone of these responses. No wonder the world is like it is. with all the prejudice, hate, and anger. The tone of these responses scares me.The boys were young,and abused .They deserve a second chance. What happend to Derek? I missed that on the show.


Troy   July 21st, 2010 10:37 pm ET

And everyone is forgetting the Father. All those blows to the head. All that blood. And now we celebrate. WOW that is digusting. If they were too poor black kids....Would Rosie O Donnell bank roll them. Money....Power and then wanna be justice.


Babbs   July 21st, 2010 10:38 pm ET

NO absolutely Not!!
I'm shocked at how many "commentors" think that children should be tried as adults. They were young boys , being influenced by some creepy child molester. These boys obviously did not have the
Love, compassion and patience that children need to fully develop and mature mentally. Alex was right when he said "he was blessed" .......


Cajazz76:24:8   July 21st, 2010 10:40 pm ET

@Rose

I watched the trial years ago and there was zero evidence these children were abused by their father...deprived..yes. They lacked financial support to afford them video games of their choosing and a two parent family. Guess they needed the video games more. They testified that one of them had a homosexual affair with an adult several times their age, but in no way was the father implicated. He was found guilty in abstention of being poor. I don't think that it was quite reasonable that his children found him guilty and murdered him for that.


Troy   July 21st, 2010 10:41 pm ET

Derek did more prison time than his brother because he tried to escape. Doing so he did more time but, he isnt on Probation now either. Ohh and he isnt following that lawyer lady either so he is what you call.....Cut Off


Troy   July 21st, 2010 10:43 pm ET

Ok Babbs who is influenceing him now? How is that gonna end? Blessed LOL by whom ?


Sharon   July 21st, 2010 10:44 pm ET

No – kids should not be tried as adults. More cases like this need to get to the root of the cause – these children were manipulated and abused by a sick pedophile – they've served their time and punishment, and where is the pedophile? off scott free somewhere to manipulate and abuse other innocent children? He is the real criminal in this case. These kids need to understand what they did was wrong, but I'm so happy to see the justice system work with these boys and get them back to a normal productive life. Cheers for Kathy for having compassion and love for Alex King and helping to turn his life around. We need more people like that in the lives of children who didn't have the loving, nurturing parents that they needed in the first place. These boys need to pay the consequence for thier sin, but they also need to know that there is forgiveness in Jesus Christ and a second chance to live a productive life.


Lissette   July 21st, 2010 10:45 pm ET

I feel as a mother and grandmother. That CHILDREN are CHILDREN and they dont have the capacity to think as ADULTS. And YES I DEFEND them. They need LOVE, UNDERSTANDING and alot of PSYCHOLOGICAL HELP not PRISON.


Troy   July 21st, 2010 10:46 pm ET

No one on this planet or any other can talk me into beating my own father in the head with a baseball bat. They did what they wanted to do. And color gives them a free pass.


Troy   July 21st, 2010 10:49 pm ET

Why all the name calling ROSE ???


Thomas   July 21st, 2010 10:50 pm ET

I do not understand why Alex continues to lie about what happen the night his father was killed and continues to allow his brother Derek take the blame for something he had nothing to do with. Neither by set the fire to the house and Derek never struck his father with a baseball bat it was Alex who took the first swing and Ricky Chavis that finish the job.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 21st, 2010 10:53 pm ET

@Kathy

I guess your adoration for these two wouldn't mind you finding them engaged to a daughter. It was a very simple case for the judge. Kids skipped school, hung out with a convicted sex offender, kids were afraid of being punished for neglecting to go to classes, killed father and burned the house down to conceal evidence....find more than a homosexual affair with the one that concealed them and you will find more than the judge found out...


Thomas   July 21st, 2010 10:59 pm ET

Why is Jane Weintraub taking credit for being Alex's lawyer when the late James Stokes was his attorney of record for the trial. It is pretty sad to take credit from a dead man.


Peggy   July 21st, 2010 11:01 pm ET

I believe it should depend on the circumstance. If you are abused all
your life you learn to be a violent person. If you are nutured you learn to love. I believe these boys were young enough to be counciled on what they did. I don't believe all children should be charged as adults. I have a daughter who is almost 21 years old and she made some
mistakes at age 14. I didn't give up on her because she did something wrong. I stood by her while she took her punishment. Today you couldn't ask for a better person. I am so proud to say she is my daughter. She is paying her own way through college and thinks so different than she did when she was 14. A childs mind does not fully develop until they are in their twentys. Look back on your life and think about every seven years of your life. Think about how different your thought process has changed from the time you were 7 to 14 then 21 and so on. It is pretty astonishing when you stop and think about it. If a child commits murder and has always been loved and nutured then you have a problem. That is when I feel a child should be tried as as adult or sent to an asylum. Many children are abused and no one ever even knows. Some live in a living hell and don't know how to rise above it. They haven't chose this life it was the life that chose them and they are scared . If you have always been loved and nutured and had a good childhood it may be easy for you to say lock them up and throw away the key, but that isn't always the answer.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 21st, 2010 11:02 pm ET

I think at the adult age they have attained, that both would fit well into adult prisoner jammies and enjoying the coddling of their cell mates...for at least the next 20 years. Hell, what more do they deserve...big wipes for the messes they make behind bars?


Scuba Steve   July 21st, 2010 11:04 pm ET

I talked to Alex King a few months ago, eating candy and cornbread, looked him in the eyes, he's still a kid inside... He told me some of his stories inside... a little bit about the situation that got him there... aggravated assault, no, aggravated murder, sure. It was an abusive situation, let's look at the "Dad of the Year" here, some parents really shouldn't be parents, and the kid did what he thought was best for himself and his brother. He was young and yeah, knew better...
But what if the situation was the other way...
And the father murdered his sons, different story?
(Another angle? How about kill one life and save two lives? Still wrong, but we can analyze it another way now, he did what was best to save his life)

Alex isn't perfect, but he wasn't given the same childhood as I was given, which seats me in this chair where I write this. I wish I could better defend him now, but what he did back then, was back then, he's been locked up for the crime, he's got a message now to share.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 21st, 2010 11:13 pm ET

@Thomas

It's very difficult for a dead attorney to represent the living. Late James Stokes may show up late to a hearing.


Rose   July 21st, 2010 11:17 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8
Why don't you take a look at the charges against Chavis. He was found guilty of molesting Alex. Alex wasn't a homosexual he was ABUSED.
There are details about their trial you and every one else don't know. Details that weren't released to the public. So make sure you have ALL of your facts before you climb up on that high horse of yours


Amelia   July 21st, 2010 11:18 pm ET

Those who are asking about "compassion", should direct it in the proper place. We do not have compassion for murderers, or at least we should not, and these brothers are murderers. Whatever goaded them to the act is beside the point. They took a life and that deserves punishment, it is that simple. As the previous poster said, no one's mentioned the father–the victim. That's who we should have compassion for.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 21st, 2010 11:23 pm ET

@Scuba Steve

I am gasping for breath...not quite to the severity that young Alex King's father was. No evidence of neglect or abuse by the father was ever testified to in court. So what would be smart Alex's revelatory message to the world? Enjoy the world of cephalopods, they have no backbone..correct? Just eyes and big heads, right? Oh, and suckers for grasping at straws...that helps.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 21st, 2010 11:29 pm ET

@Rose

I am not absolving Chavis of molesting a minor, though per testimony it was consensual sex. Get it straight Rose...they murdered their father to avoid corporal punishment. It was a calculated cold blooded murder...patricide if you wish. Sounds better than murder?


Thomas   July 21st, 2010 11:31 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

James Stokes died in a plane crash in 2003, 7 months after Alex was sentenced, through mediation, to 7 years in prison. James Stokes not Jane Weintraub was standing next to Alex in court when he was sentenced.


Thomas   July 21st, 2010 11:37 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

A 12 year old can not consent to sex in any State in the U.S. per testimony or not.


Thomas   July 21st, 2010 11:45 pm ET

I think it is sad that Kathryn Medico is using Alex King in such a way to help get a movie deal for her book she wrote about the crime.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 21st, 2010 11:46 pm ET

@Rose

Okay I will look at it through your eyes when I review the first alleged murder, according to myth..Genisis 4.. Cain killed Abel..fratricide...It was God's fault...he didn't burn up the straw offering of Cain. Cain was distraught and felt abused by the neglect...justifiable homicide. Next case Rose...


Cajazz76:24:8   July 22nd, 2010 12:05 am ET

@Thomas

I am simply revealing the testimony of Alex in court...As adults we should all know it was a criminal act on the part of Chavis, the convicted sex offender and co-conspirator. As children, we all are aware that murder is a crime. I know of Stoke's death, Jayne Weintraub represented both boy's at the behest of Rosie O'Donnell in a failed bid to have a re-trial. What was the point? Oh yea, a minor can't consent to sex with an adult, well he did and he also found the consent to murder. What the law states and Alex did and are just fractured interpretations. Alex unlawfully consented to sex with an adult male...okay, sound better? Then he murdered his father...I am still at a loss for an outpouring of sympathy here.


Dylan H   July 22nd, 2010 12:16 am ET

No. These two should ABSOLUTELY NOT have been tried as adults. Kids go to trial separately from adults FOR A VERY GOOD REASON. A twelve year old child simply DOES NOT have the maturity or power of reasoning to be held responsible to the degree that an adult would. They should have been tried as kids – because they were kids, after all. To claim otherwise, one has to realize:

-They COULDN'T Drive
-They COULDN'T Drink
-They COULDN'T Enlist in the Military
-They COULDN'T Vote
-They COULDN'T Legally Have Sex
-But yet SOMEHOW they could have been given a life sentence?

This is absolutely disgusting. People who would condemn a 12-year-old boy to a life sentence are sick. Very, very sick. A 12 year old kid hasn't even hit puberty yet for god's sake, and yet they would end up in a cell for the rest of their lives!

Disgusting. Absolutely disgusting.


nkn   July 22nd, 2010 12:17 am ET

no child should be convicted as an adul ever


alexxxseattle   July 22nd, 2010 12:17 am ET

I sent my thoughts and blessing to those kids. I know what it feels to be molested and abused by your own father and I don't blame them for what they did. Let's provide rehab to people on this horrible situations in life. God bless you, Alex


ashburghy   July 22nd, 2010 12:21 am ET

Those two boys should be locked up for life. The "man" I am watching on LKL is guilty and is very cautious about what he says. Like "I don't remember" or "I don't think about it". Lock them both up for life. If not, they will both repeat the crime.


susanne   July 22nd, 2010 12:24 am ET

no. children should not be tried as adults because they are not adults.
either you understand or you dont. this boy grew up to have a productive
life. it could have been wasted. i thank everyone involved for helping this
wonderful man. shame on you christians who disagree. doesnt God tell us to love?


Cajazz76:24:8   July 22nd, 2010 12:26 am ET

@Thomas

I am starting to 'doubt' your state of mind. Medico is recouping the money she shelled out for the care of Alex. By law he cannot profit by the murder he committed. So he will have to stay on the beach and pick up balls of tar/oil for spending change this summer or 'off' the 'play-momma' and make a killing....


roxane   July 22nd, 2010 12:28 am ET

I have 2 teenage boys and if the did a crime like that they should be charge like an adult. My 19th year old nephew was killed about three mouths ago.By 2 teenage girls. I think they should be tried as adult.


Thomas   July 22nd, 2010 12:30 am ET

@ Cajazz76:24:8
Jayne Weintraub never represented Derek King his lawyers at the time rejected her assistance.
I am at a loss for your sympathy for a convicted pedophile agreeing that he did not molest Alex because it was consensual.


Dee   July 22nd, 2010 12:36 am ET

U know i wish I had someone who could have help with my child who judge John stephen in Beaumont gave my 18 year old 4year for first tome offence ad an adult I had to appeal case and he got 6m and 10 years probation my son was on college and had a job and he did not care he did not commit a murder he had a gun in his prosation and it was not test to see if it worked he is due to get out in 3days


Thomas   July 22nd, 2010 12:36 am ET

@ Cajazz76:24:8

Also there was not a failed bid to have a retrial but rather the mediation nullified the need for the re-trial that was granted by the Judge in the case.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 22nd, 2010 12:44 am ET

LKL

You said it best..."we'll be back with this 'incredible' story. It is a trifle bit beyond our belief that children don't kill. We are supposed to leave that up to adults, responsible people. When it is a child that commits murder we immediately look to the adults for the cause because we don't raise our children to murder. Oops! I unwillfully set the course for Larry's next infomercial of mediocrity. Average silly human race!


Cajazz76:24:8   July 22nd, 2010 12:59 am ET

@Thomas

Oh, I got you now. They hired an attorney for a re-trial and then found a way around the system of possible public scrutiny and the judge agreed to mediation to avoid the embarrassment of adjudicating a child murder case...again. Got ya. Just like the court found Chavis not guilty of child molestation and kidnapping so he could serve a sentence for 'other' crimes of complicity in a murder committed by children....This Chavis dude is still in jail? ...for?


Thomas   July 22nd, 2010 1:00 am ET

It would have been nice if either Alex or Kathryn would have been more forthcoming and said that Alex was talking to Kathryn on the phone during his failed escape attempt that he is currently on probation for.


eddie   July 22nd, 2010 1:02 am ET

man i dont know whats worse kids commiting murder or the way the justice systems works.no they shouldn't be tried as adults.


Scott K   July 22nd, 2010 1:02 am ET

Larry,

I believe it to be in our best judgement according to not only the laws of our country to punish those that break them, but hold those accountable for breaking the laws of morality... There is a definite sense of what's right and what's wrong at the age those boys committed that hideous crime...

It is a shame that the victim in this case will never be heard as he was so violently taken from this world... These kids have yet to show any accountability for there actions and therefore as time will prove true, will do it again... I would be happy to pay my hard earned tax dollars to ensure they never get that chance.... Too bad Mr Chopra has a different view.

Yours truly,
Scott K


Laurel   July 22nd, 2010 1:05 am ET

After watching Larry King tonight and interview the young man that killed his father I was left feeling cold toward this young man. I didn't feel any remorse from him, regardless of his age you would think that he would feel something about what he did. I'm probably going to take a lot of flack for this but I"m just stating the feeling I got from the interview. He didn't seem sincere at all...he actually seemed in a few spots a little arrogant. His comment "I don't think about it"..."I don't remember it"....he was 13! I remember 13 pretty clearly and highly doubt I would ever forget something like killing my father. I'm sorry but it scares the hell out of me what these young people pretty much get away with and all of the pity and "victim" spin the lawyers and some bleeding hearts put on their violent crimes.
Scary stuff!!


Cajazz76:24:8   July 22nd, 2010 1:06 am ET

@Thomas

Where do I extort the sympathy for a convicted child molester? My only irony is developed by those who plea sympathy for not an accused, but an admitted murderer, albeit a child.


Thomas   July 22nd, 2010 1:07 am ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

Kathryn Medico has already made money by selling a book about the crime that went into multiple printing so recouping from what I see as an advance is a deference of opinions.


Connie   July 22nd, 2010 1:07 am ET

As a mother myself, the way we raise our children affects their decisions as well as actions . so it was the fathers abuse that caused his death


Cajazz76:24:8   July 22nd, 2010 1:17 am ET

@Thomas

You sure are a solid proponent for minute detail...What you need is a solid propellant to boost you above your calculated love for this child Alex. Are you by chance a priest? Say it ain't so...be a doubting Thomas for once. Try it..You doubt this was anything but a cold calculated murder...you doubt that?


nik   July 22nd, 2010 1:20 am ET

Tonight's show left me with more questions than answers. There's so many nuances to this, without Derek and Alex filing in the details, we may never know what happened. There's something odd about Kathryn Medico. She seems to have a very thin veneer of saint hood. What's her agenda?

Then Alex starts falling asleep on the show. Makes me wonder the medication he must be on.

All in all- can't figure this one out. So how can anyone pass judgement?


MARY   July 22nd, 2010 1:28 am ET

NO Never! Children should be treated &judged as children with love and knowlege of childrens brain development. Our world needs love and nonviolence. Love sets limits and consequences. TX for the show


Cajazz76:24:8   July 22nd, 2010 1:28 am ET

@Laurel

Glad to see someone who can interpret what they consume...Very nicely expressed and from your common sense was it said. I'll sleep easy tonight knowing there is a touch of reality out there without the need to indemnify a murder plea deal convict. Did I say that correct Thomas?


ken   July 22nd, 2010 1:28 am ET

My sympathy is with the dead father; the panel of the ever-so-caring are all members of the "blame the victim" society. The evening was appropriately capped by the world's leading phony-Deepak Chopra (perhaps a vow of silence would be a better choice for his future).


Love is a healing force   July 22nd, 2010 1:43 am ET

ok hold on to your socks because my opinion is a strong dose of reality

from what was shown on the show I gather this:

two boys raised by single dad who was sort of non expressive and probably emotionally harsh taskmaster. Friendly neighbor see kids starved for affection and gives them hope and spirit which of course their emotionally hollow father see's and questions and perhaps punishes harshly. then boys strike back harshly as they were raised to do.

then homophobic world punishes the only adult who ever loved the kids AND forced them to turn on him and so society could put him in jail for 35 years for simply loving them and protecting them.

I am so glad these kids got the help they got from rosy odonnell and the author and the attorneys. But the mother who adopted the one kid
doesnt know that the love she is trying to give this kid is just what that man locked up in prison was trying to give. oh the Irony.

both the lady and deepak were right when they said that "love is a healing force" yes. but it can also bring the wrath of an ignorant society down upon you and force you to warp what you do and say to fit them OR ELSE.

I wish the kid the best hope he knows its ok to be bisexual and that if he ever wants to help a strange kid he better do it from a distance and with tradition methods until they are adults otherwise the puritans will kills you and mentally molest the kids into claiming that the love they got was "gay" and awful.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 22nd, 2010 1:44 am ET

Makes me wonder how the sympathetic mundane would view a twelve year-old boy with blue eyes and blond hair on trial or convicted in an adult court for the murder of a petite, blond hair, blue eyed 6 year-old girl in her first year of school: then saw him released after he became an adult under the law...Still see it the same way? Just curious....


Love is a healing force   July 22nd, 2010 2:01 am ET

as for the "tried as adults" issue
well...they obviously were not adults
simple enough that question.

and they killed their dad because dad taught them violence and society never protected them from their dads violence even if it was "only" emotional violence. i.e. they saw it as self defense not some sort of sadistic jolly....which incidently is an american tradition and is why so many commenters want the pleasure of seeing the kids harmed for life in prison or killed.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 22nd, 2010 2:04 am ET

@nik

It wasn't presented any other way at the trial. We don't have to pass judgement. We can either agree the law was, in a small way, upheld and hope he isn't our neighbor. Hide and watch...No one walks away from murdering someone and washes it from their past without the constant etching of blood spilled to mar their future...Even those who have taken lives in war do not walk away clean without some sort of life altering obligation or a flash to the past, if the opportunity is replete with aggression and the cycle is continued.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 22nd, 2010 2:27 am ET

Connie July 22nd, 2010 1:07 am ET
As a mother myself, the way we raise our children affects their decisions as well as actions . so it was the fathers abuse that caused his death...

published on January 02, 2008 by Destiny.

.Alex and Derek had been born into a family of major controversy. Terry King was living with Janet French. Janet French, the mother of Alex and Derek, also had twins by another man while living with Terry. Terry was taking care of the entire family including the twins. He, the twins father, and French parted ways in 1992. She and the children however, continued to live with and be supported by Terry.

Due to financial problems, Alex and Derek were sent to live with foster parents. Alex for only a few months, and Derek for six years. Janet French with the twins moved out of the home at the same time. Terry's commitment was to get his financial situation improved and regain custody of his sons. Terry tried to maintain a strict disciplinary environment while his sons were with him. This may have been the reason for his murder. Seven weeks after Derek began to live with his father again, Terry was murdered.

How did the momma escape murder? The children never reported parental abuse...or any abuse, despite Alex being sexually abused by an adult he was in love with, or so he thought. Too easy to blame the father, isn't it? In this particular case the father was a victim of patricide. Reasons : Only one...children were afraid father would punish them for skipping school and, unknown to him, they were hiding out with a convicted child molester, pedophile if you like that word better.


maria miller   July 22nd, 2010 2:46 am ET

I am in hopes that Larry King will read my story. I have been a Larry King fan since I stumbled across CNN at least 20 years ago. I have watched him every single night and tonight at 12:00 midnight I watched the incredible story about the two boys in Florida, the story of love, justice, Deepak Chopra, the amazing adoptive mother and the transformation of life because of unconditional love. I cannot imagine life without Larry King and hope that he will not "retire" but find another avenue as he loves what he does.

The story was amazing because it proves that children should not be tried as adults and their brains are not formed enough to make informative decisions. It also pointed out the waste of taxpayer's money for institutionalizations vs. rehabilitation and the absuridity of "tough on crime" mentality, injustice and it so reminds me of the Shakespeare quote of "the world is but a stage and we are all players on it"

Larry, there will never be another you nor anyone who brings the stories which have such important impact on other's live as you have had on mine.

Maria Miller


Deanne   July 22nd, 2010 2:50 am ET

I can't believe how many people are against these boys. They were practically abandoned as children and if they don't get taught morals at a young age then they can easily be manipulated. Alex and Derek deserve another chance as do more young murders. I agree completely that love can conquer everything. If these children were shown love at a young age then chances are they would have been able to experience a normal childhood instead of being molested and spending time behind bars.


diane raynard   July 22nd, 2010 3:17 am ET

i watched this trial of the boys, and read the book, i feel so sorry for the life they had, i read some comments on here and good points were made, the father did bring their abuser into their lives, and he was'nt a very good dad, but doing the best he could, these children seemed so damaged , at the hands of their abuser. alex's brother didn;t want to appear tonight, because his past is different from his brother, he felt love at a young age, and knows right from wrong, alec seemed drugged, and just doing what everyone wants him to do, he looks scary...i do feel young kids should;nt be in adult justice systems, they say derick did the crime, and alex was his support, i hope i;m wrong, but i would be more scared of alex then derick....plus when deepak was talking if was the first time alex's expression on his face changed, a little like someone in a CULT..


Petrus   July 22nd, 2010 3:24 am ET

I see that there are allegations that the father abused these boys, which is what supposedly led to his murder. My question is what exactly did the father do that was abusive, and had it been brought to the attention of Social Services or Law Enforcement? However, in todays liberal society, simply spanking a child is now considered abuse, so I would have to see conclusive evidence that these children were actually victims of gross abuse such as beatings or sexual abuse before convicting the father in absentia. Very sad either way – and I just hope these kids are able to live a decent life.


mdotson   July 22nd, 2010 4:00 am ET

i think anyone that commit a crime such as that should be try as an adult on top of an adult. that was the worst crime i have ever heard of someone during to a parent. Now you know that they had plan this for they just did not think of this over night and then came up with the idet to kill there father. My heart just goes out to the family for the boys and there life as it is. Look at all the school that they missed and what part of there life is good now? It is just so sad for these 2 young boys.


Dan Horak   July 22nd, 2010 4:08 am ET

The idea that "children" of 12 or 13 years cannot form criminal intent and are, therefore, automatically under the control of Juvinile Court is ludicrous on the face of it. There are gang-bangers of this age out there who know more about criminal procedures than many adults and who kill without qualm or regreat. They know exactly what the police (and courts) can and cannot do and, when arested, proclaim their age and wait for the Juvie system to take over, sure in the knowledge that there is really nothing that can be done to them. They cannot be interrogated beyond the reah of their parents. They cannot be housed in an adult facility. And their record is either expunged or sealed at age 18, In New York City some years ago, there was a 13 year old who was pouring gas on druks and setting them afire. When asked why, he said he just didn;t like drunks. This kid everyone is feeling so much sympathy for should have been tried as an adult unless a psychiatric board certified him as either insiane or mentally deficient, and therefore incapable of forming criminal intent, then sent to a juvie facility until age 18, then transfered to an adult prison to serve out the remainder of his term, either for murder or Manslaughter 1. Bottom line, NO ONE has the right to commit murder – not adults and not kids. And a six inch snake can kill you just as dead as a six footer.


Paul Aube   July 22nd, 2010 4:11 am ET

Anything that can be done can be overdone by Americans.

Your asking the wrong question.

What will Americans do about the violence in your country??

You need to start caring more about your children than stupid questions like this.


Dan Horak   July 22nd, 2010 4:16 am ET

Postscript: In what we laughingly call the "Wild West" a punk kid from New York City named William Antrim killed some 21 men before his 21st birthday, his first at age 12. We know him today as Billy The Kid. And Judge Isaac Parker once hanged a 13 year old horse thief. He had the right idea. If thse boys were victims of some sort of predatory animal, then the charge should have reduced to justifiable homicide per a plea of self-defense. That prison was involved – either juvinile or adult – is an indication that such a plea was not entered and guilt was established. We do not like to believe that monsters live among us, but they do. And age has nothing to do with using a gun. Or paying the debt for its use.


Heather A. Chapman   July 22nd, 2010 6:11 am ET

The program was very impressive. There is certainly ample evidence in this program alone to show that children should not be tried as adults and every effort should be made to give them appropriate sentences, love, support, counseling and education.


chidi   July 22nd, 2010 7:42 am ET

As long as there won't be any more immunity for top government officials


twin90s   July 22nd, 2010 8:01 am ET

Apparently many people did not see the show and this article did not tell the point of the story. The point was how children are manipulated and how thru good luck and the deep understanding and kindness of absolute strangers, redemption is possible. This show is worth repeating and the article should be rewritten so people understand how many people, circumstances and just plain love came together to redeem this young man. He has a long way to go to be sure, but he has the support of so many people, he will make it and any trouble will be worth while.


nan clair   July 22nd, 2010 9:08 am ET

did everyone notice that Alex was falling asleep during the hour long L.K. show? He is on some type of medication...my thought is that he is doped up for live TV to make us all see his calm, cool, collected side. My 17 year old watched with me and agreed. Sadly, Alex and his brother shoudl have taken the "oath of non violence" before they smashed their fathers skull with a baseball bat.


Rose   July 22nd, 2010 9:48 am ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

How can a twelve year old properly consent to sex? According to the law he can't and according to plain human logic a 12 year kept in that much isolation can not possibly understand what he is exactly consenting too. He trusted Chavis, thinking he loved him and cared about him and wouldn't ever hurt him.
They were 12 and 13. Kept away from the world, had no sense of what a proper family structure should be like..there dad totted them around like they were dogs. Never actually caring about them or their well being, he controlled every step they took, every word that came out of their mouth.
It doesn't condone what they did but it makes it a bit more understandable. They were kids and the one person they thought could help them, the only other person they had in their lives turns out to be a child molester. They were young and felt there was no way out.


dee dee   July 22nd, 2010 10:18 am ET

i dont think kids should be tried as adults. well it actually depends. if the kid is 11 and is messed up then no but then if hes perfectly normal and has issues like anger issues then they should. kids have there whole life aheaad of them and they might spend it in prison.


jaberjaw   July 22nd, 2010 10:28 am ET

Blacks go to jail longer than that for poss. of weed and that’s semi legal. Question How did they get out after beating their "FATHER" to death on PURPOSE but that kid in Florida got life for accidentally killing his cousin while playing wrestling.


Teri   July 22nd, 2010 10:45 am ET

Alex has Reactive Attachment Disorder. A scary diagnosis, which played itself out in the killing of his father.

You can see he has no remorse, which is yet another symptom of Reactive Attachment Disorder.

Alex looked drugged.

Once Reactive Attachment Disorder reaches the point where a person murders someone? There is very little hope of rehabilitation. However – they are VERY ggod at manipulating people.

So, for now, he is putting on an act in order to get what he wants.

Mark my words....this kid will hit the news again – from being involved in some other crime.

He belongs in a residential treatment center – where he can no longer harm anyone, ever again.


barb   July 22nd, 2010 12:25 pm ET

Alex seemed creepy....but then so does Medico. In fact the etire show's content gave me the creeps.


Katy   July 22nd, 2010 2:45 pm ET

There were so many circumstances around these two boys, that no one will know all of it. They were manipulated by a child molester into believing their father was going to come between them and the molester and that is only a very small part of the build up. I know Kathy and attended the trial of the King Brothers. There is so much not spoken here about what happened. Bottom line, these boys were treated as the children they are and given a chance to be rehabilitated and are making a difference in their lives because of it. More often than not, children who are tried as adults receive stiffer sentences than and adult who committs the same crime!!! If it were your child, would you want them tried, convicted and sentence to life in prison, in an adult facility? I don't think so.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 22nd, 2010 4:01 pm ET

@Rose

Who said it was proper consent, as the law views consensual sex and those not of legal age? Fact remains Alex, as a child, had the propensity to calculate his father's murder and even at that age children have free will.

Was anything improper and vile about the father's actions? No. Was Chavis a terrible influence...obviously, yes! You did state Chavis was found guilty of a sex offense in this particular case, he wasn't. He should have been. He was found guilty of washing a bloody shirt, making him an accessory after the fact. What his involvement was prior to the murder has not surfaced in court proceedings.

I think the father was guilty of being poor, not accused or was it ever implied or alleged he was a bad father. You imply he was too strict and kept his kids under his control. How odd is that?

They didn't turn to Chavis to supplement fatherly love, they did it because they were enticed by his seemingly liberal views on drugs, which he supplied them, and all the video games they could blow out their eyeballs with. The video games, I think, kept them isolated from making friends with peers and kept in the trailer home of Chavis. He massaged their trust and the whole time was formulating a sexual interest in one or both.

As it evolved they both became anti-social and they didn't want to be brought back to Earth by the one person that kept them on some path of non-errant behavior. Being poor and living amongst poor people isn't the best recipe for success, but the father did get them back from foster homes with the assumption he could be a proper role model or give them the one thing they needed...parenting by a parent.

Why isn't the mother's behavior been brought into question? She abandoned them and again, I feel it was poverty that drove the wagon of the parent's behavior..

You said the father kept them in check. Isn't there an inkling of taking parental responsibility there? You also state they were young and needed a way out. If their life was brought to the brink that murder was was the only viable solution, then where is any supporting evidence that could, in any small way, vindicate their actions?

It all elevates itself to the fact those children were beyond what can be perceived as 'normal'. The sympathetic eye looks at their handsome appeal and still childish expressions, but the eye of reason looks at them as cold and calculating and more than capable of repeating their past.

That is not to say they cannot be salvaged, but it certainly gives poor credence that all children remain innocent until they are of legal age. I guess that murder then becomes wrong and death necessary to those who commit it. Well, the cost of execution is really prohibitive and makes about as much sense as fighting for peace. To incarcerate them for life defeats societies belief that prison will change them without restructuring that, which in their lives evolved from and into.

A well fortified judicial system, free of negotiated loop holes, that incarcerates societies pariah's until a determination is assessed that they are a lesser affront and danger to the law abiding, is really what has been neglected..not two murderers that were young and cute.

The judicial system was victimized by sympathetic stalwarts and those in the entertainment industry who are themselves not the likely pillars of parenthood or came from well structured and loving families. On the outside it appears they are saviors, but on the inside they are tortured fragments trying to put themselves back together. They are Humpty Dumpty's or Damsels just hoping they will never feel the impact after the fall and perceive they have the distinction to make a difference through their wealth and influence.

What happened after Rosie O'Donnell's heightened efforts? She never had any personal contact with them and if she did I am sure it would be an autograph and kiss her ass opportunity to her liking.

As for the now adult convicted murderers, who wouldn't wish they lived out their adulthood free and pose a danger to no one? But it is almost a guarantee, based on their high intelligence and coupled with the vile acts they formulated and committed, that there is a very high probability that at least one will end up incarcerated for another heinous act...Will we still say they are a product of their youth? Or will a few be swayed that even young children can be just as much a danger to society than an adult? Save the children can, without much imagination, become save me from the children and there are plenty of marked graves to supplement the reality.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 22nd, 2010 4:40 pm ET

@Dan Horak

Very well said...wish I could say it as well and in less words...my calloused fingertips are burning...


Kris   July 22nd, 2010 5:37 pm ET

I haven't been able to find enough information regarding the whole story. It seems to be a bit clouded, making me beleive there's more to this then we will ever know. It's unfotunate that these two young boys were in the situation they were in the first place. Think about it: Two young children acting out a crime as violent as this? What would make two young boys act out like this- nothing? I can't beleive that. But answering the question at hand, our judicial system has the tools to reform, I hope in this case they have. Two children, at that age, deserve it if anyone behind bars does.


Nicholas   July 22nd, 2010 7:33 pm ET

Children shouldn't be tried as adults even if the crime they committed was violent because they are still developing. Instead of sending them to adult prisons, they should be sent to rehabilitation centers where they can learn from their mistakes.


Hortencia   July 23rd, 2010 2:56 pm ET

Young offenders should definitely not be tried like adults. Their brians are not even fully developed. They can be reformed instead of thrown into an adult system that is overcrowded and will only make them worse people. This does NOT benefit society in any way. Reforming them to become productive tax paying citizens does.


Dr. Margaret Nacke   July 23rd, 2010 4:32 pm ET

Dear Larry,

Your program on Wednesday about the boy who killed his father and the woman and lawyer who helped him WAS ONE OF THE BEST. It was inspriational and sent a message that young people like this boy, should be loved rather than incarcerated. Your programs about movie stars leave me cold. Who care? More programs about the goodness of people should be on your "menu." Thank you.


Jayne Weintraub   July 24th, 2010 12:18 am ET

Setting the record straight. Yes, James Stokes represented Alex when he was convicted. I came into the case–initially, very much to James' relief . James did not know how to do an appeal or write the complicated motion which resulted in overturning the verdict. . We did the research and writing of the Motion to set Aside the Verdict/Motion for New trial that was granted by the Court. James had not filed any motions or meorandum of law.There had been no investigation–no experts brought in to the defense and the depositions were scant.
James did the best he could–but the boys were convicted. It was through my efforts that the verdict was overturned–then my suggestion that the case be resolved with a 3rd Degree Murder charge. It was also through my contacting Secty Bankhead and pererverence in having Alex placed into the Dept of Juvenile Justice and not in adult prison as the judge and prosecutor wanted.
So the writer is correct– I was not next to alex when he was found guilty–I was there when the verdict was overturned. I was not alone– I have had several invaluable collegues helping and representing Alex with me: Ben Keuhne and Steve Potolsky.
My point in responding is to set the record staright. I am not herre to gloat–only to explain. Clearly, James cared very much for Alex–but that does don diminish the very important role Ihave played in the case or in this young man's life.


JC08641   July 25th, 2010 5:45 am ET

I can identify with these kids. Killing your abuser is not murder, it's self defense. I am glad I never took the step they did, but the idea of it comes to you very naturally when there is no end in sight.

Who should have taught these boys right from wrong? No one. The very person who should have tuned their moral compass was violent and abusive. If one kid did what they did you could consider the possibility of a disturbed little murderer killing someone innocent... but BOTH brother agreed this is what they had to do.

They never should have went to jail.


Laurel   July 25th, 2010 10:56 am ET

The victim in this case is the father who was violently murdered!! Lets not forget the real victim in this case. This man is not here to defend himself ! He has been villianized so that we can (because many of us have to) cope with two young people commiting such a horrific crime.
We cannot believe that children can become violent unless they are abused and neglected. I understand that fear because if it can happen in this family I suppose it can happen in any family.
We'll continue to coddle these murderers and make excuses and thereby find some kind of comfort that this can never happen to us.
Wake up....violent crime by young offenders is on the rise. Stop blaming the victims!


Cajazz76:24:8   July 25th, 2010 1:21 pm ET

@Jayne Weintraub

Well Jayne, thanks a lot for setting the record straight. I will continue to reserve any thank you's and atta-girl's for setting them both free. Just remember they are still cold and calculating murderers. Should either one revert to a heinous act, you may have closed the door on millions whose crimes were non-violent and do deserve opportunities for second chances without physical risk to an innocent community member.

I am not saying that both the King boys cannot be salvaged and returned to society, but they have been sensationalized to the point that they may see another opportunity of savagery as a way to elevate their self esteem and garner more empathy and sympathy. What sweeter prize can a convicted element in the system of justice find at the bottom of his/her Cracker Jack's, or in your case Cracker Jayne's?

What you have done is sacrificed the safety of the public to placade yourself. You simply wanted free advertising and the notoriety afforded you. You have a penchant for that in the clientèle you prefer to have. Very few people do anything for free, especially attorney's. How did Dan Akroyd respond to Jane Curtin on SNL and millions of veterans to Jane Fonda????

Your last paragraph says it all...albeit entangled and disguised self adoration and a huge lack of humility. With all the spelling errors, were you drinking when you hacked it out? You Jayne, we tar-balled....because you want to swing in the limelight...I feel like I have been CHIMPANZEED by your Caricature of Justice as you APED it..


Bill M   July 25th, 2010 9:08 pm ET

I did not have the happiest childhood and I didn't kill anyone. Anyone who kills should rot in jail.


David Wulf   July 25th, 2010 9:14 pm ET

NO they shouldn't be tried as adults, they can't drink till there 21, they can't vote till there 18, they can't go to war till there 18, but you can kill at 13 and be an adult, well then kill someone then start drinking and voting and going to war your an adult.


Dodie   July 25th, 2010 9:17 pm ET

Reports indicate that Alex King was molested and manipulated by Rick Chavis to remove Alex's father. If this is true, and Alex did experience a 'paradoxical psychological phenomenon' whereby molest victims and hostages align with their captors' viewpoint; then, Alex might not have been fully responsible at the time of his father's murder. It is not clear whether Rick Chavis actually manipulated Alex King; however, his demeanor is 'restricted' which could be caused by any number of issues. Since I have not given Alex King a battery of psychological tests, I shall refrain from placing any psychological label on this person!


Ruth Uppena   July 25th, 2010 9:18 pm ET

Because the judgement part of childrens brains do not develop until age 20, I do not think kids under that age should be tried in adult court.


Claire Tremblay   July 25th, 2010 9:21 pm ET

I can't believe some of what I'm reading. Doesn't anyone take time to look at the context in which the act was committed? These lads were troubled because of sexual agressions they were submitted to during their infancy. They are not responsible for these agressions and the distortions they incurred upon their young brains. They need help and rehabilitation, not condemnation. Jesus said, "Let he who has never sinned cast the first stone." Looks like a lot of people have never, never sinned. Looks like Earth, despite all its problems, is a planet of saints after all. Who would have known?


Carol   July 25th, 2010 9:21 pm ET

Do you think children charged with violent crimes should be tried as adults? No children should not be charged as adults. I think the problem stems from what should the age cutoff be between categorizing them as children vs. categorizing them as adults. I feel it should be the same as the age for when they graduate from HS – so 18?


kifomom   July 25th, 2010 9:23 pm ET

Children should not be tried as an adult. There needs to be psychological test on each child. Children don't just kill.


Travis Botelho   July 25th, 2010 9:24 pm ET

In the case involving Alex and Derek King, the children were fortunately not tried as adults.
This question is way to broad to come up with a black and white answer, so I'm not going to attempt to say that "Yes, all children should be tried as adults" or "No, children should never be tried as adults."
A child that has been sexually and physically abused such as these two here, should definitely not be charged as adults.
Every person has a breaking point, and when a child finds out that a father who is supposed to protect them, knew that such abuse was going on and did nothing to stop it, the child is of course going to snap and be vindictive.


kathleen,DuPage counrty IL   July 25th, 2010 9:30 pm ET

If its for killing a parent that was abusive to the kid then No,but if its for killing another kid then yes cause with all the school shootings&city gangs with kids in them shooting other people thoses types of killing with a kid being the shooter should be the type where the kid goes to prison forr the rest of his/her life then& but Not for killing an abusive parent cause a person no matter what the age can't withstand taking so much abuse every single day for so many years till they snap to stop it.


James   July 25th, 2010 9:38 pm ET

It's not what I think that matters. It's the ignorance of this world that will skew the outcome of each situation. Let's be honest here.. If alex king was black I bet you he'd still be in jail.. Rosie O'Donnell would not be calling people looking for an attorney to represent him. Wake up people racism still exists. Hopefully soon things will change


Barbara, Islamorada, Florida   July 25th, 2010 9:39 pm ET

The young man on your show, Alex, seems to be on medication..is he? His eyes are lethargic...


Ruth   July 25th, 2010 9:42 pm ET

I find it very scary that 2 children can kill their father, viciously, and a planned killing...one of them can actually sit there, on television, and say he "forgets" that period in his life.

You kill your father, then you forget about it, ....
And we make him a hero because of it?

Terrible. A terrible message to all kids...go out and kill your parents, and then become a hero. You will get to go on t.v., have a great life, have a nation feel sorry for you...and go to counseling so you will forget all about it.

Wow!


kathy   July 25th, 2010 9:43 pm ET

I was raised in a very disfunctional family, to say the least. I totally understand children when they hurt their parents. No it is not right but I too felt these feelings as a child wanting to get rid of my father in some way so we did not have to be tormented, abused, by him again.
My siblings were younger, my mother had her own problems with dad and looked the other way so she would not have to deal with him if she took our side. Kids are not trash to kick around or abuse in anyway that their parents feel that they can do to them.
Thank God for people like Rose, the lawyer, and this wonderful family that has taken this yoiung man into their lives. No one unless they are raised in a horrible family can possibly understand these kids.
Can't we please make adults understand that these children have limits too that if pushed too far could do unthinkable things just to stop the abusse?
Thank You.


CE   July 25th, 2010 9:44 pm ET

What a complete joke. Fine, treat them as children and subject them to different terms and penalties, but do not come on national television and spin this into a feel good story. These children premeditated and contemplated the murder of an innocent human being.

They better bring in an opposing view, because there certainly is one.


richard   July 25th, 2010 9:44 pm ET

For premetitated murder, heck yes. If there is such a large outcry against children being tried as adults for murder then each should be taken on a case by case basis. And a child not being hugged enough is not a defense for premetitated murder. These two boys deserved a whole lot more than what they got and now we just turn them loose and give them talk show time and make them celebrities. children deserve to be protected but so do parents that are really trying to raise there kids. These two boys did something wrong and killed their father so they wouldn't get in trouble. If he was so bad why did they not run to the police when they ran away. Premeditated murder is a serious psychological disorder no matter how you choose to dress it up. And these boys got off way to easy and now have set a statute for other children to do the same. Because defense attorneys all over the US are going to pounce on this everytime they get a chance.


marshal mohamed   July 25th, 2010 9:46 pm ET

in the case of kings case, i do not think children under the age of 18 should be tried as adults, solely because:
1. their minds are not yet developed old enough yet.
2.they are emotionally unstable.
3.and they can only do what they learned from their parents.
but when a child is pushed into a corner exposed to psychological and physical abuse they will do what they can do to get away from a situation, just like a pray turned into a predator. i think the justice system should make more assessments when it comes to children under the age of 18, and how they should be tried in our courts.


homer stiles   July 25th, 2010 9:47 pm ET

you cannot tell me this boy did not know the difference in right and wrong at 13... any time you take someone elses life at 13 or 113 the punishment should fit the crime... he does not deserve to be free nor his brother if given the wrong message and he gets upset with the new step mother you will have a brand new show to do called second round with the ball bat..... after all the love and understanding for the misunderstood child.....


gabriella   July 25th, 2010 9:48 pm ET

I think it was a right thing to do to put him into prison for 6 years because when he becomes an adult it can become worse.


Daryl   July 25th, 2010 9:52 pm ET

What about Lionel Tate? An African American boy in Florida who got life in prison at age 12 for Accidentally killing a 6 year old girl?


Jesus   July 25th, 2010 9:54 pm ET

YES!!! they should be in prison for life....


Pennie   July 25th, 2010 9:55 pm ET

It looks as though this kid is on some sort of medication...


Barbara Guinn   July 25th, 2010 9:55 pm ET

Yes, I believe that children who can come up with a plan, should be tried as adults. This was not accidental, they planned it and carried it out. Now Dr. Chopak is commenting that this is what happens to children who are not loved. So, this gives other children reason to believe that they can murder there parents if they feel unloved and get away with it by only serving 6 years. This is insane. they killed their own father and are being rewarded for it. INSANE!!!!


Dodie   July 25th, 2010 9:55 pm ET

gabriella

and he will also be institutionalized!!!! so he will be in prison for the rest of his life! Better start saving your money. It will start costing a lot of money for everyone!


Mary-Jane   July 25th, 2010 9:57 pm ET

I vote for all of those who want prison for life to start sending your donations to support the prisons!!!


coopert   July 25th, 2010 9:59 pm ET

Alex is either on heavy drugs or drunk. Kathy is a money grubbing whore looking for the next money train...shopping the book and looking for movie rights what a pig!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Mary-Jane   July 25th, 2010 9:59 pm ET

Yes... caring nurturing and learning... excellent words...

for those who do not care and want to toss children away like trash!!!


Kathleen   July 25th, 2010 9:59 pm ET

NO children should not be tried as adults.


Ruth   July 25th, 2010 10:00 pm ET

Too bad loving kindness does not erase or reverse a murder...
Everyone is so proud of a kid who murdered his dad, and then forgets all about it.

Happy, Happy, Happy. Kill your dad, become full of love. what's wrong with this picture. Caring, nurturing for the murderer, and no regret, memory or sadness for the murdered. This is just so scary.


Sandra   July 25th, 2010 10:01 pm ET

That boy is a murderer. He murdered his father along with his brother. He is so stoned looking on the show that he is almost falling asleep. That woman needs to go to prison also and quit promoting her business. She may be next.


E. Sabo   July 25th, 2010 10:02 pm ET

Bleeding hearts are of of the mindset that a 12 or 13 year old doesn't know right from wrong? That the family dog has more SENSE than a 12 or 13 year old child?. The dog knows enough not to kill family members! Do bleeding hearts know how rediculous they sound when they try to defend absolutely undefendable positions?


Mary-Jane   July 25th, 2010 10:03 pm ET

people who make accusations with out a drug test are very silly.... How do you know he is drugged or on alcohol??? Did you drug test him? assumptions... that is all they are. No wonder the USA is in such a mess!!!


Melanie Lefebvre   July 25th, 2010 10:03 pm ET

I don't feel being charged for a crime has anything to do with age but rather maturity as well as circumstance. If a judge allows the DA's office to file charges against ANYONE for murder, then it's apparent the person has been found as a possible suspect which included ability, availability as well as motive and anyone that is charged and found guilty should pay for the crime right ? So I think this question should relate to the circumstance as to whether or not someone should be charged in the first place. That is the question that we should ask ourselves in this situation. If someone regardless of age is allowed to be charged is where the power of the circumstance lies. Once someone is charged, they should be tried regardless of age. The question is NOT about age, but rather IF they should be charged. Once charged and convicted, that means that the person who committed the crime and is therefore guilty. We need to back up and determine chargeable crimes. This would save alot of tax dollars as well as time spent on government paid court cases. It is such a conflict of interest to find someone guilty and then offer a light sentence for someone found guilty.


Mark   July 25th, 2010 10:05 pm ET

Larry, I do not think that children should be tried asan adult. Alex King and his brother are lucky to find their guardian angels to help them in their troubles, but what about the African American children whom are being tried as adult and they do not have guardian angels. Do you think it is fair for them. I am positive that they will not be lucky and Rosie O[donell will not find a lawyer for them.............


Mary-Jane   July 25th, 2010 10:05 pm ET

Ruth"

It is well established that a child who kills a family member is most often not a threat to the general public like all the killers running around now. If I were you, I would be more concerned about the killer living next to your home instead of this person!!!


DrMonica   July 25th, 2010 10:07 pm ET

Children should not be tried as adults because of one simple reason: They are not adults.
Most of the times that a child commits a crime, there is a trace of bad behaving adults behind them. Perhaps we should look closer and have those adults be accountable for their actions, before they raise or influence children in bad behaviour.


susan Bond   July 25th, 2010 10:07 pm ET

I think each case should be evaluated – it is a case by case situation. Obviously, if one would immediately decide that a child should be judged as an adult would be unfair- look at the circumstances and facts for each case tried. What are the facts? Unfortunately, our history has not. Just as one should not be judged because of color; the same is for a child who is judged as an adult. look at the facts!! And regarding Dr Chopra (it is NOT Dr Chopak-get the spelling correct) I think this proves that we as a society are not even looking at what he is talking about- violent thinking and what this does to children who grow up to be adults. Are we LISTENING???!! Can't we see patterns, children abused, they abuse their children, and they abuse their children. We learn from a very early age and we repeat what we learn.

And for those who comment the child is on drugs, well, he probably is because I am sure he was a WRECK doing to TV to talk about murdering his father.


Mary-Jane   July 25th, 2010 10:08 pm ET

For those of you with children. Hopefully, they do not commit a crime... YOUR children maybe the next one to spend Life in Prison!!!! It might be you defending your child!!!


Rajesh   July 25th, 2010 10:08 pm ET

What Deepak said in tody's show is exactly right. This kids become violent because of his expousure to violent soroundings. We need to cure the root cause of it and which can be done by spreading the love and compasion which spreads by it self.


tracy   July 25th, 2010 10:08 pm ET

i saw a news special on this last yr, why is it that Alex was unofficialy addopted by that lady and his brother was not. Also, during the interview why was she speaking for alex as if he is still a child. he is a 21 year old man, and I cannot understand why he could not speak up for himself, and why he gave Larry verry brief answers. Something about him seemed a bit off, a bit rehearsed. and the relationship b/t him and his mom seemed strange. just strange she didnt want to also help his brother out.


john   July 25th, 2010 10:10 pm ET

I do think that they should however in these circumstances the kids were taken advantage of and abused and that needs to be taken into account also . Sometimes parents are too abusive and really drive their kids to do things like this


Mary-Jane   July 25th, 2010 10:11 pm ET

How do you know he is drugged or on alcohol??? Did you drug test him? assumptions... that is all they are. No wonder the USA is in such a mess!!!


Toby   July 25th, 2010 10:12 pm ET

There is a case going on in Ventura Ca, where a boy shot and killed a classmate at the age of 13. this boy was being raised in a very abusive household to begin with. The boy he killed was dressing like a girl at school and openly gay. This boy was 15 and starting to flirt with the 13 year old in front of his friends and catching all sorts of hell from his friends. He finally snapped and shot him dead.. Well he is being tried as an adult... When will this stop!!!! He is a kid!!!


Helen Kazaleh Hyde   July 25th, 2010 10:14 pm ET

Bravo to my high school classmate Kathy Medico!


B.Ivery   July 25th, 2010 10:14 pm ET

Wow, how times have changed, My son(Tamien) committed a felony offense against society when he was twelve years old. Absolutely, NOT condoning the nature of the crime however,(HE DIDN'T KILL ANYONE) and received 16 years incarcerated amoung adults. I can sadly say the system ultimately failed my son and in turn I feel like a failure that I could not help my son to this day.


Griffin Gartley   July 25th, 2010 10:14 pm ET

I say yes and agree with the other posts here, and would like to add. Give me 10 min. with this kid and I could show you how violent he still is now. You want to see pure evil take a look at this kid. All he is for Chopak and the others involved with Alex King is a meal ticket. And for those of you who think children don't know any better you are just fueling the problem.


Siddi Jon   July 25th, 2010 10:15 pm ET

Children are not suppose to be tried as an adult. They are young and not aware of things they do. We should come up with what to do with children who came from violence homes before we have more of violence children like Alex and Derek
I have a question? How come no one is helping Derek?


William A. Kisner   July 25th, 2010 10:15 pm ET

I have been part of a prison ministry and also join in on monthly caucus calls trying to get our justice system to try juveniles as juveniles and not in adult courts, or to house juveniles in adult prisons. I have a 16 year old who was charged with 3 counts of assault with a deadly weapon , armed robbery and later charged with first degree murder when the one victim dies two years later. The lad was never given a chance to tell his story as the local paper had covered the crime as the sheriff's dept. described the crime. Actually , the boy was strung out on crack, carried no weapon, and was eating ice cream talking to his football coach who began counting out a large sum of cash to pay for a tank of fuel oil. The boy tried to grab the money and the coach and another customer who knew the boy's family, tried to stop him. The struggle ended with both men and the boy cut from a paring knife that was on the table. The 67 year old store owner pulled a revolver from behind the counter and fired it. Then the boy charged the store owner and the gun was turned where it fired again , striking the store owner. The gun never left the store owner's handed.There was a second trial, but in both trials the lawyers suggested plea bargains because they couldn't get a change of venue. The DA stacked the charges , the last being an additional 18 years for a total of 54 years. I have been pushing for juvenile's with multiple charges be run concurrent . I have clippings from a Tenn. paper where they did studies of the brain development for a teenager to comprehend doesn't reach maturity until about age 25. I have more to say, but you get the picture. Pawbil


coopert   July 25th, 2010 10:16 pm ET

I have seen people on drugs and booze....I can tell you the difference!!! If you are over 30 do not live in a monastery you know too.


Griffin Gartley   July 25th, 2010 10:37 pm ET

Deanne – Alex and Derek deserve another chance as do more young murders.

Really are you serious? So Columbine those kids should get a hug and set free to? Come on tell the families of the murder victims that minors should not be charged as adults. You bleeding hearts are the problem with this world next you are gonna be saying that terrorists should be given a hug and let go because there actions are based on there upbringing.


Marlene   July 25th, 2010 11:10 pm ET

No view (or opinion) on here counts, if you haven't been abused
as a child or grown up poor and unloved. In my case, I mean weekly abuse of your siblings, your mother and yourself.

I am from a family of 7 loving, successful, warm children who all
are AWESOME parents. (I am a woman, married 37 years to a
CPA/CFO, Vice President and we have 2 adopted children who are
in their 20's now.) My siblings are: an attorney, 2 managers,
a teacher in Manhattan, professional photographer and executives
in business.

My family just recently gave our father a military funeral after caring
for him for the past 17 years (during which he was 69 to 86 years old).
Dad was a sweet, old guy, but as a father in the early years–he was
a bastard.

We loved our Dad. However, every single one of us would have
liked to kill him - just about every day of our "childhood." I thought
about it every day–and hate confrontation and would not hurt a flea.

P.S. I wound up working in the Michigan Legislature, was
Executive Assistant to the President of Cooley Law School,
Mid-west Territory Manager for Texas Instruments, Inc. –over
10 states & 500 people and started my own Executive Recruiting
Agency. But, being a parent in today's world is the
hardest thing I have ever done.


julie   July 25th, 2010 11:18 pm ET

No! Children should be tried as children, based on their developmental level of maturity as influenced by context.


Abel   July 25th, 2010 11:54 pm ET

Granted the brain does not fully develop in males until around the age of 21. Does that mean we shouldn't send them to school until then? It is the core reason the father was killed. They felt they would be punished by him because they skipped school.


Rae   July 25th, 2010 11:58 pm ET

Absolutely not! They are children, who have mirrored the adults in their environment.


Lisa   July 26th, 2010 12:12 am ET

I feel that if a child has the capacity to kill and the thought process to plan out a murder, or other violent crime, and then lies in court and tries to hide what he has done, yes he deserves to be tried as an adult. He was acting like an adult when he did it, he should be punished as one.

Usually a child would be your least likely suspect, the person whom the father thinks he can trust. You shouldn't have to fear your children. Then for them to commit the unspeakable against you after everything you have done for them. It's even worse, in my opinion, than being killed by an adult.


Lee   July 26th, 2010 12:13 am ET

I think the King brothers got a fair deal, more fair than Rick Chavez, the man who is doing 35 years for evidence tampering. They committed the murder, and someone else is doing all the time. I do not agree that all child murderers be charged as an adult, but in certain cases I do believe it is warranted. Just because thier maturity level is not fully developed does not give child murderers a "free pass".


Michael   July 26th, 2010 12:22 am ET

No.
They are children. Why is it we expect them to live up to adult status when they do something wrong, but we don't allow them to make adult decisions (like voting) when they are children.
We can't treat them like children when they do things right in life but then treat them like adults when they do something wrong. If we are going to do that, at least give them the opportunity to vote and change that law if they feel otherwise.


George Tibbetts   July 26th, 2010 12:23 am ET

I believe that for capitol crimes such as murder, elevated assault, and the like that the issue of age has to be set aside so that it becomes a matter of the judiciary and juries to decide what the proper punishment should be on an individual, case by case basis. George L. Tibbetts Jr.


Lee   July 26th, 2010 12:33 am ET

There are several bloggers out there who think that black offenders do more jail time than their white conterparts. Not true. I watched the show "Too Young to Kill" last nite about 15 murders committed by childeren 16 and younger. All the offenders were white except one.
Alex and Derek's story was included and they were the only ones who got a break at their trial regarding thier sentences, most of the other offenders are doing life.


jmv   July 26th, 2010 12:41 am ET

these two boys suppose to stay in jail for life.


Charles   July 26th, 2010 12:51 am ET

I am a retired Detention Deputy who worked at one of the facilities that the King brothers and Chavis were held in. I worked around the boys and had contact with them and Chavis. In my opinion the boys knew right from wrong. Bottom line is their Father is dead. Alex and Derrick are out of prison and Alex is appearing on your show. They comitted a cold blooded act. They should have gotten a Life sentence.


Terri Who   July 26th, 2010 12:56 am ET

It is Saturday evening and I am watching Larry's show. The young
man who was the accused, ie. of being involved in the murder
of his Father, is, in my opinion on a strong sedative of some kind.
This woman, who took him in, has show also put him on strong
meds?! I wonder.

from Canada


Johnathan   July 26th, 2010 1:01 am ET

Children dont know any better. It comes down to how their lives were when growing up. Were they abused as a toddler. These are the questions we should ask. Alot of these issues really rely on the prosecuter and the judge.And crimes comitted by younger children is different in every state. We need to make it national. Teaching children to speak out before they comit the crime is what we need. And this should not be ignored,by anyone.


Nihal   July 26th, 2010 1:06 am ET

I strongly believe kids should not be tried as a adults.I 'm happy to see kids are doing well,thanks to who helps them.
I wish to best all of them.


Moises Rodriguez   July 26th, 2010 1:06 am ET

For all you people who talk bad about these kids need to look at your lives and judge yourself because you don't know what his father did or what happened to them at that point of time in their lives. Remember, his father was a petifile. I feel good and grateful that these kids are out and starting a new life.


Sharon Garth   July 26th, 2010 1:07 am ET

No one under the age of 18 should be tried as an Adult period. It should be just like signing up for War. 18 not 17 or below. They are not fully developed physically. They should be in Juvi. only. Thanks for a wonderful program Larry.


Ariel Bradley,18 years, Mt.Vernon, MO   July 26th, 2010 1:12 am ET

Ok. My name is Ariel and as a child I was sexually, and physically abused. Abuse like this causes some serious problems. I can tell you right now that there were times in my life that I wanted my perpatrator to feel the same way I felt. Yes sometimes I wished he was dead but I have never wanted to act on it. If my mother hadn't been my rock in that storm I would have been what most people think that Alex is. I personally think that Alex was just a troubled child and that he is a wonderfully awesome person. I personally beileve that he is innocent and that anyone who thinks otherwise obviously has not spent a day in our shoes.


Douglas Kennedy   July 26th, 2010 1:12 am ET

When I moved to FL as a young adult in the 1980's I was shocked to read in the news about the convictions of c hildren as adults. The conviction of Ales and Derick King of murder when they were only 12 and 13 seemed to tug at my heart as being unjust. Thank you for airing the other side of the story. As a resident of south Florida (Broward Co.) this news is so relevant, as the story of Wayne Tracey unfolds. This child – since he is age 15 – is still in jail. Despit that it was a despicable act, in the end he was a child of 15 and would better server our society through rehabilition. As a local tax payer, I would much rather see my taxes go to rehabilitating young men like these versus sending them to prision for life, or at best life as a former felon who cannt get a job.

Doug Kennedy


Rev. J. Roland Cole   July 26th, 2010 1:16 am ET

Dear Larry, July 25, 2010

Deepak and the lady make such beautiful sense. It's wonderful to see the way they are involved with the boys.

One important factor re "society" and "causes" was left out re why kids get violent, anti-social, etc. That is all the constant diet of violence and killing they see on MOVIE AND TV AND COMPUTER GAME screens. THINK OF THE HOURS! Lucky children have loving, touching, close parents who talk to them and teach them by example, etc. Less lucky kids,ESPECIALLY THOSE BEATEN OR ABUSED OR NEGLECTED, are more likely to be influenced BY THE MOST EFFECTIVE OF THE MANY EFFECTIVE (quick learning and changing) FORMS OF BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION, namely "MODELING." ADVERTISING WORKS. PICTURING BEHAVIOR OVER AND OVER WORKS MOST EFFECTIVELY TO TEACH CHANGES IN OUR BEHAVIORS,

Love your work, Larry.


Llewellyn Cobb   July 26th, 2010 1:19 am ET

So what if the differance of killing with a baseball bat or a shot gun? Juvenile kids are wild ones when they get involved with other kids of whom just say well " if my dad treated me like your dad does you; I would shoot him"... Damn if that is not what happens when kids run and talk to other wild kids.. Now if you have gay parents then that is their problem and that is the problem with gay type marriages. However, in my case it was simply momma bear and her two babies against me.. Long story short the oldest had my 308 Winchester loaded pointed at my chest when I walked into his bedroom to ask him to turn down the music... Liberals,, Like for some reason we have in our government cause these problems...


josh frazier   July 26th, 2010 1:31 am ET

To say that age does not matter is complete ignorance. How can u say that a 13 boy who has been influenced by a child molester has the ability to make the same decisison as a grown man? I believe that every case is different but in this one i believe justice was served! It is very unfortunate what happened to the father but I dont think even he would want his two sons to rot in prison for this. You can tell by just listening to alex that he has completely changed his life and im very happy that he has been granted a second chance to live a normal productive life!!!


Sam   July 26th, 2010 2:18 am ET

growing age is wen a child understands lyf....y kill them or imprison them....y not teach them to be more sincere....they were kids n killing a person or rather thinking of that was bcause of des stupid movies n stuff...""bfore posting comments think of u're own kids"".....


EmilyAnn   July 26th, 2010 3:08 am ET

Yes I feel like children who commit violent crimes should be charged as adults. They know right from wrong, especially, this particular case with the King brothers. They willfully killed their father and then set the house on fire to cover it up. That's not ok. And we as a society need to make sure that children are accountable for their actions. Regardless of their age kids who commit crimes like these, need to punished.
And these two boys admitted to killing their father, their confession was almost like they were bragging at what they had done. Its not ok, and we need to send the message that, behavior like that is not acceptable, regardless of age!


Tina   July 26th, 2010 3:16 am ET

It is a sad story. I'm happy for them that they are having their normal lives back.


Laurel   July 26th, 2010 3:22 am ET

@ Toby

hmmm.....wonder if you would still look at this murderer as just a kid or the 13 year old killed out of "hate"...if they had killed someone you love.

We read more and more of young people killing each other .. I wonder if part of the reason for that is that seem to keep getting away with it.

I have two friends who have lost their sons (yes 2!!) to murder...both were young men murdered by "children" under 18 years old. One was a home invasion with knives and baseball bats involved ... this murder was planned. The other young man was murdered on the streets.

Young people are killing young people and their parents just waaaay too often.....all you who talk of "saving" these children and not "throwing them away" might think twice if their loved ones were killed by a young offender. Dead is still dead no matter what age the murderer is!!


megan   July 26th, 2010 3:35 am ET

I believe in redemption, and I'm not even religious. All people, especially children are products of misdirection, and of poor influence. Human life is precious regardless of circumstances. Set an example for young people like Alex capable of making mistakes, just like anyone else! Show them good!


Debra   July 26th, 2010 4:03 am ET

Do any of you remember being 12 / 13 years old? Do you as parents believe they are capable of making responsible decisions to do the CORRECT things in life? If so why is'nt the adult age set for 12 / 13 years old. Mainly because their brains are not fully developed and we all have done dumb, stupid things that possibly could have resulted in our deaths or others. N


Debra   July 26th, 2010 4:20 am ET

o one is mature enough to really know what the difference in life in prison vs. life in hell at home could be. There is always deep dark secrets that children are ashamed to tell because they do not want friends or other family members to know they have told what all actually happened behind closed doors that could have triggered this behavior. No child from really loving happy homes and have wonderful childhoods decide to KILL their parents. That is because they feel love and happiness, not afraid and want to get away from the parent enough to kill the parents. They need a loving person to believe in them and stand up for them because they have developed pschotic behaviors and need treatment, not jailed. At age 12, they should be playing unless they feel threatened , not murdering.


Donna   July 26th, 2010 4:29 am ET

Obviously many people don't have compassion for human life, especially young children who grow up in situations as Alex and Derek. No one knows the complete story each child has and the first thought is to get rid of these children. Why are we throwing away our future. Each person deserves a chance to redeem themselves. If parents cared more about their children instead of themselves and their personal needs and agendas and get back to being loving, caring, nurturing, guiding, family oriented, etc. children would have a better chance to grow up to be contributing individuals to society. Children are too young to be tried as adults. Parents do your job.


karel   July 26th, 2010 4:47 am ET

Any sort of crime such as muder, no matter at what age, needs to be adressed under the same rules. It's understandable that those children weren't biologically and psychologically developed yet, so they shouldn't be treated as adults period. Also, we should first investigate the reasons that leaded those kids to act that way, either those kids were abused by the father, or either involved in any kind of violence involving their 'Father'. However, if other children see that murdering any person, no matter what are causes, they won't be punished by connstitutional laws, this will certainly encourage them to commit such aggrevations. They need to know that for those actions will be severe consequences. Parents, we must try to have an open communication with our children and let them know that any kind of abuse or violence toward them must be reported inmediately, thus, avoiding such results.


Monique Furuta DeBarros   July 26th, 2010 5:53 am ET

No, I think children are in a total different condition than adults. They can't and should never be judged as adults. They are not adults!

This situation is cruel, and destroy young lives that as simply misleaded! How many adults murders many more people than a single child, and the child has the life destroyed in Florida, and the man is outside walking free and getting profit with his crimes!

Judging children as adults is disproportional, disgusting and irreal! The world sees everyday man walking free with no punishment, men that killed his own family and other families, who rapes, robbes, trafic, and much worse, and a child has to be under a massacre like that?

United States law due to this is complete medieval!


E.Evans   July 26th, 2010 6:16 am ET

Hi Larry,..as a fan of your for 15+ years ,...i would like to know, in the case of the Kings Brother's,...would Miss Rose.O , had of taken the same attitude towards these Children and go the extra mile with defending them the way She did for the King's Boy's,.if they were a " AFRO-AMERICAN" Family in the same situation,...and No,..i don't agree to the issue that children should be Judged as Adult Criminal,..when Judging a child that is Mentaly undeveloped as an Adult, only makes YOU a bigger Criminal for doing so.


david loveland   July 26th, 2010 6:25 am ET

Watching from Australia. I have a 26 year old son who found misadventure in his teens, and he was shown loving compassion to those close to him and now at 26 he has two homes and getting married.

Love Works


Solonka Jackson   July 26th, 2010 6:31 am ET

Alex seems drugged and answering questions as he has been instructed by kathryn. There is no remorse at all in him. Killing your own father is not killing a fly! Yet they are being conveyed as heroes in the show? Kathryn is money greedy witch and soon or later the monster will turn on her. This whole story seems contradictory, first Depak says Alex vowed for nonviolence in Barcelona and later Kathryn says he have never been violent! why vow then in the first place? Kathryn watch out, this might backfire at you.


Liz   July 26th, 2010 7:29 am ET

Well, I watched with great interest. I am on the fence, as I saw this young man I was confused about his mannerism and he seems a bit out of it. When they did flash backs of pictures of him as a child, your heart breaks for "oh look he is precious", but then you come back to reallity. People can change and when we say they deserve a second chance, I am not sure if we are talking about a person who committed such a crime. I would love to know the name of that doctor who was on, as he has a book out and his thoughts were very intriquing and I would live to get his book. I think its great if we can understand all of this and maybe a lot of these crimes can be prevented if we could just see signs and open our hearts to others. We live in a very tough, callus world and it does sadden me, we fight abroad, we fight within our own country, communities and family. It would be nice to just be a loving, peaceful society, but I fear we will never reach that, it seems to be worse and I think TV makes it even more so, they publicize criminals and make them into heros, they show shows that give kids and adults ideas and I think as a society we need to prevent this as well. If anyone remembers the Doctors name I would live to have it, so I can look up his book. Again still on the fence, its an individual case by case. I just don't know. I would like more understanding.


chidi   July 26th, 2010 8:09 am ET

Going thru peoples comments its awesome how they reason to cut the long story short God'sword indicates that out of the aboundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

This means that an opportunitistic contact with these kids will result to their instant death. Ruthless adults!!!

A child's memory is considered to come in the form of a tabularasa that is a clean slate then whatever is written on it is actually what stays.

Lets do a kind of analysis here now, dad an adult comes home one day with a total stranger of course we dare not pry into his matter, stranger while passing winks at us, stupified we said apparently nothing.

when dad's away and intends staying long, stranger who knows how long dad might stay out seizes that opportunity, comes home for a tit for tat.

I merely watched him cos i thought he wants to check if my pants were wet so he could do the changing for dad it becomes apparent that the checking has to go on and on and dad's attention was always noted that the changing was done. tanx pal comes his ans.

Hey i need'nt fear afterall he's doing wat dad says. Sometimes becomes everyday and everyday becomes every minute and so on. And i'v become used to it and adicted to that act how do i now conscent to dads upcoming nosy nature afteral he hasn't been there for me, well a feeling grows into a desire and then then into thought, then to plan which gives birth to an act committed with fear, "i hit him once and he stirred i thought if he wakes up he will know i did it and that means hell for me so i hit him repeatedly until..."

A case of action done out of fear. So if you are there fighting innocent kids then, Its actually your likes that corrupted them , brainwashed them and made them do that heinous crime only for you to turn arround to crusify them. Hypocrites!!!!

Hey Larry, pls gaurd those two from these roaring lions around else we'll be soon at the cem singing hymnals. God help us!!!


Wini   July 26th, 2010 8:35 am ET

Talk about the "mark of the devil" stamped on the foreheads of all those involved in this case. Mark of the Devil ... meaning their thought processes doing what feels right in carnal thought (evil) that follow Satan. None knowing or caring to read the Truth that Jesus teaches in the Bible. Spiritual truth.

All these fools in one case. All going against Jesus.

We saw the out come of the first train wreck they created with a baseball bat. Now that is hands on murder. Now all the so-called chronologically aged fools fought for murders to be released ... fools that never picked up the Bible in their life?


Ted   July 26th, 2010 8:50 am ET

I was watching the eyes of Alex during the interview and it bothers me what I saw.
If the eyes are the mirror of the soal, then we better watch Alex very closely. He is a very troubled individual and in my opinion a timebomb that can go off anytime. He is intelligent and can act as normal until the cover will blow off.

I am not up on the subject, but we must be the only western country that puts children into adult prisons, where they will be raped, molested, though of many crimes, so when they come out are ready to commit a few unpleasant deeds and go right back.
They should always go to a juvenile closed institute, where they go to school, learn a trade and the values of our society. Only those, who do not fit into this setup, should be later transferred into a proper jail.

As for Dr. Chopra, I do not trust him a bit.
I remember the 1960-1970 period, when a lot of indian gurus come to us, formed a free love for all community, screwed a lot of our young women and made all members work for nothing. They lived in luxury and went back to India as multi- millionairs, not paying a penny tax in the USA. Only our stupid laws could allow such a highway robbery.
Dr. Chopra is up to something that will make him rich, or richer than already is!!


CB   July 26th, 2010 8:57 am ET

Terry King is my first cousin. I remember Alex staying with Aunt Joyce Alex's grandmother ( Terry'S mother ) and she just loved Alex to death. He was a very quiet little boy and he loved to read. Terry's life was his sons, he loved them very much. He was a hard worker and he had a sad marriage with his wife, he was hurt by her when she abandoned him and her sons by running with other men. Terry was a great man and his son's were very smart. I wish them all the luck in the world getting their life back on the right path. Alex and Derrick are very smart boys.


gerald Jolly   July 26th, 2010 10:01 am ET

It's all about the circumstances folks.

When is it considered O. K. for a young boy/girl to kill his/her parent.

Answer: When the parent is cruel and abusive.

Before you condem these boys, first look at how many abused children we have in the U.S.A.

You might be shocked by the number

"MORE THAN 4 MILLION"


Bonnie Matos   July 26th, 2010 10:26 am ET

I really feel that when children are abused they act out in they're own defense when they feel there is no one there to protect them. Children should be protected against these monsters who turn these kids to murder when they feel there is no other way out. No they shouldn't be tried as adults, they are children and don't have the capacity that adults have in choosing between right and wrong. God Bless Rosie O'Donnell and the rest of these ladies who rallied for these boys!!! This epidemic of child abuse has got to stop. I am in total agreement with Deepak Chopra also. If you raise a child violently that is the only way they will understand how to act in society. I don't see the problem with some people understanding this. It is simple. You treat a child with compassion and understanding and love this is how they will treat people in real life situations.


Daniel Cleveland   July 26th, 2010 11:49 am ET

Just watched a few short clips of this young man speaking and he looked medicated to me.
I've worked with youth much like him over the years and with the right guidance many turn out to be very fine young men.


Quincy G   July 26th, 2010 12:48 pm ET

I cannot believe how many posters here wanted to see any child tried as adults. They are children who could potentially be thrown into prison for the best years of their lives. These 2 boys were seduced and brain washed by a pedophile. They were "home schooled' by a single father who wasn't home most of the time. These boys had no friends, no church, no neighbour, or teacher to turn to in their time of need. In my opinion that is abuse.
I am appalled that so many posters can be so barbaric and hard. It boggles my mind.

REV J. ROLAND COLE: You are my hero. As a christian woman I try to live my life with compassion, love, and understanding. Deepak and the "Mom" were inspirational to say the least. The world needs more people like them.


Quincy G   July 26th, 2010 1:02 pm ET

NADINE WALKER: I totally get your post. Unfortunately there are too many Nathaniel's in this country who will sit in prison without the support Derek & Alex recieved. That breaks my heart.
This country has a long way to go before we see all people tried fairly & in a timely manner. All you have to do is read some of the comments posted about this show. Someone even said that children over the age of 7 should be tried as adults. Are we still in the middle ages? I do believe that color plays a factor, and don't let anyone tell you otherwise.


GoodGrief   July 26th, 2010 2:27 pm ET

For all the bleeding hearts out there that think it's OK that these two murderers got released and are now back among community. I hope they move in with you!

They don't want to think about their acts! They don't remember! They don't want to talk about murdering their own flesh and blood!

How do we spell Psychopaths? Anti-social personalities do not take take responsibility for their actions, don't remember, don't want to talk about what they've done.


Gerald G   July 26th, 2010 3:55 pm ET

To all of you who think juveniles should be tried and imprisoned as adults, two words – American idiot !


Steve Kassel   July 26th, 2010 5:41 pm ET

Yes ,you know how it is. You have an empty childhood, so you brain your Dad with a Baseball bat. Give me a break


Maria S   July 26th, 2010 8:01 pm ET

I don't know much about this case, except that a father was killed by his children. But I do clearly understand that children by the age of 5 years will have the capacity to have learned much from their surroundings. And if they have been loved, treated with respect and dignity and felt safe in their parents arms, they will most likely treat others in the same manner . In other words the adult is the product of the parents teachings, whether negative or positive. It is quite unfortunate that these CHILDREN DID NOT HAVE ANYONE TO PROTECT THEM FROM MANIPULATIVE AND ABUSIVE ADULTS

The only reason they have received any help is because they opted to protect them selves the best way they knew how and that was with VIOLENCE. And yes VIOLENCE is not acceptable in our society. However, THESE ARE CHILDREN AND THEY NEED AN OPPORTUNITY TO LEARN TO LIVE A HEALTHY LIFE STYLE WITH LOVE, RESPECT AND DIGNITY FOR THEMSELVES AND OTHERS.

And our court system will have to look at developing proceedures to deal specificaly with children who commit violant crimes. Starting with the moment the police arrive at a crime scene that involvles minors. Police should not have access to interogate a child unless an attorney and parrent are present. As we are well aware, police officers are very aggresive to optain the information they need to solve a crime and children can be manipulated and intimidated very easily.
A SEPARATE LEGAL SYSTEM FOR CHILDREN, WILL PREVENT A CYCLE OF ADULT VIOLANCE.
I am a Mom and Grandmother, who was very fortunate to grow up in a loving and healthy enviornment and brought the same to my home


Mrs. Barbara D. Irwin   July 26th, 2010 9:29 pm ET

After, reading the above, information, pertaining, to the Brothers, who committed a Violent crome!! Yes, I, do beleive, in their case, as, well as a lot of cases!! They, should definatly, be tried, as Adult's!!


john hodges   July 26th, 2010 9:44 pm ET

These three guys do not realize the impact on morale among the troops. Elsberg is an obviously slobbering at the mouth as much as he did when he revealed the Pentagon Papers. I would like to spend about 5 minutes with each of these guys in a locked room to attempt to change their postions.


E. Donohue, Rockaway   July 26th, 2010 11:10 pm ET

Children are under a disability for lack of maturity. We have indeed become one terrible society, we just want to point that finger and make everyone miserable. Our nation of laws and not of men became a nation of men and cruel ones at that. No child should be tried as an adult. Skinners monkey's. How that law even passed is a clear sigh that we are now governed by tyrants. They are children by way of infancy they don't understand the true nature of what they did. Children need to be nutured and loved and taught by their parents who are responsible for them. I don't know what went wrong or where it began in their lives but they were betrayed by everyone including the judicial system who seems to be letting everyone down these days. What a sad case this is and it isn't over, the younger boy is in trouble and needs outreach immediately.


Travis   July 27th, 2010 2:37 am ET

There has got to be something very wrong with these two boys. One learns reason by the age of seven. It's called the age of reason. To be early teenagers and do something so blatantly bizarre is beyond comprehensible. AND if they do not know right from wrong, they are insane. Insane can be defined as not knowing right from wrong. They are seriously deranged –and need some serious monitoring and therapy. I can't imagine anyone going thru life with something so horrendous as murdering your own father in your past and not have it abberate your journey.


Wini   July 27th, 2010 8:10 am ET

GMAB with what everyone assumes the dad was or wasn't. He's not hear to tell his side to the story.

Alex & Derek King are just as evil and just as deceptive when opening their mouths as are Lyle and Eric Menendez. Both sets of brothers rebelled against their parents, both killed to get their own selfish way. Who cares what lies they used as excuses! Psychopaths are psychopaths and will play everyone to get their own way. Period!

Now non-believers in Jesus Christ ensured murderers are released back into society! Our country was founded on God … just look at our currency, it says (IN GOD WE TRUST). Not we trust abominations of the Lord who never read his wisdom, nor respect His truth as is written because they have celebrity and money!

Now all the parents in this country have to give up their peace of mind because the under aged psychopaths in this country want their own way ... and get a free pass for what they do as long as their under age.


Cajazz76:24:8   July 27th, 2010 4:43 pm ET

The question to try children as adults was a stupid one and just as stupid are the courts that adjudicate them as such. But, try them and incarcerate and rehabilitate them in kiddy courts is a must, especially in this case. If rehabilitation doesn't work by adulthood move them along in the process. Is that acceptable?


Quincy G   July 27th, 2010 5:53 pm ET

WINI: This is in response to your 1st post. You said that all the people who are against judging children as adults have never picked up a bible! Are you kidding me? I am a Christian who happens to not agree with you. Children are children and we need to understand the circumstances. I'm not excusing what they did. I'm merely saying that to place children in a penal system filled with grown ups will not rehabilitate these kids. In fact more harm will come because of this.Where is your christian compassion? I'm sick to death of people like you who think that because they can recite scripture believe they are holier and closer to God than the rest of us. Isn't all sin equal in God's eyes? That's what I was taught. So if I pinch a candy bar from the Seven Eleven I'm just as guilty as if I kill someone. I Furthermore........many of my so called christian friends think it's just grand when terrible sinful people who are on their death beds become christian. What a joke. I truly believe that I personally need to make amends to the people I've hurt in this life time. Would it make any difference to you if Alec & Derek became Christian? Would you give them a pas then? I think not.
You are a hard hearted person. You really struck a nerve with me. Good luck with your bible thumping!!!!


jerry smith   July 27th, 2010 8:58 pm ET

seems so sad, children this age have no where to turn with their frustrations. what go to the police and say my dad is a monster? i don't think so. we as adults can rationalize and put things in perspective. some adults don't do this good. these are just baby kids, what drove them to this extream. where were the other adults in their lives, mother, teachers, ministers. could not one of them see some thing was wrong? i do not think in all recordered history is there a case of kids so young killing their father. what have we become? childhood should be the happiest times of kids life, not a nightmare. when a man conviceted of killing over 16,000 gets so little time and some comments on your sight suggest these two spend the rest of their lives in prison. find the base cause of there hate of their father. they need help, prison is not the help, prison will only make them more of a criminal.


Esteleen Westby   July 28th, 2010 2:15 am ET

No!

Children should NOT be tried, as adults.

Children are NOT adults!

Children are children. The mind has not developed until mid twenties!

Some adults should not be tried as adults.


JanFulkerson   July 28th, 2010 2:56 am ET

Right now in New Castle Pa there is a trial going on regarding an 11 year old Jordan Brown who shot his soon to be stepmother in the back of the head. She was 2 weeks away from giving birth. The baby, Christopher, died due to lack of oxygen. All we are hearing is he didn't know any better. There was no abuse in this household. He has previously won at a turkey shoot, but didn't know when you shoot something it dies. There were 2 little girls left behind that have to live the rest of their lives without ther mother, no trial for them, no jury for them. I hope justice prevails and this evil imp will spend the rest of his life in prison.


Wini   July 28th, 2010 8:06 am ET

Qunicy G, who are you to question the teachings of Jesus? His teachings are spiritual, what you wrote is carnal.

There are 37 verses within Jesus' scriptures that speak Truth about murder. I suggest you read the Bible instead of assuming you are a Christian just because you attend a man made church that throws in His scriptures here then proceed to teach you the logic of man.

Prison does not have adults behind their bars. All those are still children for they are spiritually stunted. They may have aged chronologically, but they've never matured spiritually. If a person doesn't mature spiritually in His wisdom ... they stay in the dark, away from His light.

These 2 boys are now joined with being Children of Cain. Cain who was the first murderer who slew his brother Abel.


Quincy G   July 28th, 2010 9:04 am ET

WINI: You said Derek & Alec were just as evil & deceptive as the Menedez brothers & they both killed for monetary gain! I beg to differ. Those 2 boys had nothing to gain in any way shape or form. The Menendez family were very rich. Yes, those sons killed to get all the money. Derek & Alec lived alone most of the time. They were supposedly home schooled. However both boys fell well behind their grade levels. They were left alone most of the time. Their pedophile neighbour came to their rescue. He befriended and then seduced these kids into a sexual relationship. At some point the situation became such that they exploded and the end result was that they murdered their father. My theory is that the nice neighbour influenced them. Again, I'm not saying these 2 boys should not be punished, I'm saying they need psychological help and a judicial system that will treat them fairly. Prison is not the answer. I don't believe they pose any danger to society. You seem to think they do.
And yes Wini, I have read the bible. I'm in a bible study group. So I'm not questioning th teachings of Jesus. Jesus is pure love and light. You seem to believe that these 2 kids feel no remorse and should therefore remain in prison for the rest of their lives. Comparing them to Cain is absurd. Cain & Abel were feudind siblings. Genesis doesn't specify why God prefered Abel's offering to Cain's. So how can you compre apples to oranges? The truth is we failed those 2 boys. They were left alone to fend for themselves. There were no "positive role models" in their lives.
They served their time. Now let them be to move froward with their lives. God is the only one who can truly know whats in their hearts,


Quincy G   July 28th, 2010 10:38 am ET

JERRY SMITH:
Thanks so much for driving home the point I have been trying to make about these poor kids. Unfortunately, many posters simply want to send these boys to prison & throw away the key. It seems that the harshest comments come from hardline christian fudamentalists. I am christian, but choose to see God as loving and forgiving.

Those boys were isolated from anyone who could have come to their defence. Why can't some people understand that?

Anyway, I've tried to help all of those judgemental people understand the power of compassion and forgiveness.

Any one can memorize and quote scripture. Understanding the bible means living a life that treats all of humanity as equal and deserving of God's grace and unconditional love.


Wini   July 28th, 2010 11:47 am ET

Quincy G, I never stated that the King brothers killed for money. I said they are just as evil and just as deceptive when opening their mouths as are Lyle and Eric Menendez. Both sets of brothers rebelled against their parents, both killed to get their own selfish way. All are liars and murderers and blame others for their actions. What that selfish ways are/were, only the murderers know this truth. Don't hold your breath that a murderer will tell you the truth.

It's their mindsets of being and doing what is selfish that folks find their way behind bars. These 2 boys are just as selfish, self centered, self absorbed (stemming from jealousy ... as was Cain who slew Abel) as everyone who sits or ever sat in prison.

As far as them not learning Jesus' teaching, they are poster boys for what happens when man is left to their own devices (meaning mindset aka carnal thinking). They are a perfect example for why it's necessary for bringing back the teachings of Jesus (meaning the Bible, not man made church doctrines) into the school system and public buildingsto prevent man from carnal thinking and doings . They are a perfect example of what darkness is ...in thoughts and deeds. They follow the lies of Satan. Rebelling against Jesus.

Compassion and forgiveness to all. You obviously don't comprehend that man has 2 choices. Always did, and in this earth age, still does. They either follow Jesus' Truth and live. Spiritually live. Or follow Satan's lies (evil) and die. Spiritually die.

The Bible teaches us that murderers are to be sent back to Him. No questioning that Truth. He certainly doesn't teach us to let murderers out of prison and He certainly doesn't tell us that they can be rehabilitated! He tells us to send them back to Him. He knows what to do with them, NOT man!

Also, no one can be rehabilitated (excluding murderers and other sins in this sentence) from their evil thinking/doing by man made concepts or false preachings. Only His Truth sets a person free from carnal thinking/being.

As far as God's grace and Love ... that's why man is to send murderers back to Him. They will have the Lord's day to learn His truth.

I'm not memorizing and quoting scriptures. I am a survivor of evil that man can and will do.

Understanding the Bible means you don't question His teachings with your carnal mindset. You humble yourself, meaning get rid of your Big ego of what you think you know, so that you can comprehend what He teaches. Then you agree to abide in His truth by living His truth! All His truth ... not picking and choosing what you want to believe and not believe!

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Wini   July 28th, 2010 2:13 pm ET

Funny Quincy G, every time I respond to something you don't like, my posts get deleted. The last post I wrote was deleted. This makes 5 or 6 times I've chatted with you that last post to you is never kept on the blog.


Wini   July 28th, 2010 4:22 pm ET

Jerry Smith, the reason why kids are killing today is because most of the judges and attorneys today never read, nor abide in Jesus' truth. They believe in their own big egos and hence, have no clue what they are doing. When our courts and attorneys go back to abiding in Jesus' truth, do as what is written in His laws, send murderers back to the Lord and Savior as is written, we will see less of the senseless, carnal mindsets that conduct said EVIL. It doesn't mean that EVIL will prevail, it means that evil folks will think twice before they act on their evil ways. They continue to kill because all the bleeding hearts in this country haven't a clue to what Jesus truth is ... are blinded by the lies of man ... and insists that murderers get a slap on the wrist then set free.

I don't think these 2 should spend the rest of their days in prison. Make no mistake on that assumption. I know these two should be executed for committing murder. I think it's also a scam how attorneys milk the system and prevent immediate execution of these cold as ice criminals that do evil against law abiding citizens by how long they delay by using the appealing process!

Paul warned against putting our faith in historical traditions in Colossians 2:8-9.

Beware lest anyone cheat you through philosophy and empty deceit, according to the tradition of men, according to the basic principles of the world, and not according to Christ.

He who is of God hears God's words; therefore you do not hear, because you are not of God. (John 8:47).

Truth says the physical world is certainly the good creation of God, but it is not cultic to believe the world is under the spell of the devil.

Scripture teaches (1 John 5:19). Revelation 12:9 says that Satan "deceives the whole world," and 2 Corinthians 4:4 says "the god of this age" has blinded the minds of the unbelieving. The world is certainly under the "spell" of the devil, and those who believe God's word believe this. Read 2 Timothy 3:1-17.

They also believe it is "unalterably corrupt" (Psalm 14:1-3; 53:1-3; Ecclesiastes 1:15; 7:13; Romans 8:20-21). "The world will always be against the true and righteous" people of God (Psalm 112:10; Proverbs 29:27; John 15:18-19; 1 John 3:13).

Children of light do indeed live "in the midst of children of darkness (everybody else)" (Acts 26:18; Colossians 1:13).


Jason   July 29th, 2010 12:02 am ET

I think that it really depends on the crime and the age of the child. It's definitely a controversial topic.

The case above may fall into the adult category due to the severity of the crime and age of the children.


Eri   July 29th, 2010 1:53 am ET

To all of you who do not wish Alex the best and believe that he belongs in Jail, this comment is for you:
You have no idea how amazing of a person Alex King is. His heart is bigger than several of your brains and for you to sit and honestly waste your time evaluating whether you think he needs to be in prison or not off of one TV segment proves that. The justice system might have enabled the metamorphosis that occurred within him but his transformation from what society would call "a troubled child" to a smart, loving and kind person can be attributed to him and solely him. You should praise him for having had the strength to strive and continue, despite constant criticism. He is not a hero, not a victim, he's just another person trying to make it in this world and it can prove difficult when there are vapid people like many of you publishing stupidities on the internet. I'm all for the free expression of opinions, just not ones with no real basis (in which case it ceases to be a debate and the 'opinion' transforms into a cacophony of noise being emitted from one idiot's mouth.)


Berta   July 29th, 2010 2:00 am ET

Absolutely not!! Any mental health professional knows that the brain is not fully developed until a person reaches the age of 25. The right part of the brain isn't even fully developed at 12 or 13. The last part to develop is that of reasoning. When the brain is developing reasoning is when people tend to experement. People learn a more complex way of thinking of cause and effect; consequences and boundaries. That doesn't even start to finish developing until age 16-18. Why do you think insurance significantly drops after age 25? Because people have significantly less accidents and make better decisions after age 25. Do you know the ages of people that commit the majority of crimes? Take a guess. . . . .15-26!! NO ONE I don't care what the situation, should be tried as an adult who is under the age of 18. Bring them to juvie for a while. Make them suffer their consequences earn their privaledges back. But don't hold them accountable to the function of a fully developed adult.


Wini   July 29th, 2010 10:02 am ET

Jason, I know the public needs to finally understand what anti-social personalities (e.g. narcissist, psychopaths, sociopaths etc.) are capable of as they smile to everyone's faces, play the victim card when caught, and lie, lie, lie for everything that comes out of their mouths. Deny, deny, deny their thoughts, words and actions as they wreak havoc among any one and every one in society.

These 2 predators pre-meditated their father's demise. They did not act in self defense!. They planned, then carried out the deed of insuring their father's death.

Do they think they are god? Yes, they do.

The judge should be pulled off the bench, along with the attorney stripped of her rights to practice law anywhere in this country or abroad. As far as Rosie is concerned ... she'll just use her excuse that she was depressed again. I'd be depressed too if I didn't know Jesus.


Marina Kalugina   July 30th, 2010 4:03 am ET

Dear Larry,

Regarding: kids/teens punishment as “adults“.

1. We are paying more than $1.60 Ml to jurisdiction's and prisons' systems for EACH kid who gets a life sentence as ‘an adult’. How many teens and young adults possible to rehabilitate, if these money will go to the professionals in rehabilitation?

2. Education and kids’ crime.

It’s normal for kids-teens – the human’s cubs – feel good about committing violence. Kids came to life as predators and first bit thy try on a mother's nipple. Everyone knew how violent might be the toddlers play!
Only education,and training and the Time are transforming the human’s cubs -predators into social human adult.
It’s not enough to know what is wrong and what is right.
Example from 8 years old news.
...US humanitarian team went to Afghanistan. They KNEW that Taliban law prohibits the Bible by death punishment. But they did take Bibles to Afghanistan, they talks about Christianity to locals, they did put themselves and others lives in danger – they were arrested and only US army invasion saved their lives!

Why they did it, when they know it's wrong? Because they do feel so good about Christianity and...did not have enough time to adjust their feelings to different social requirement (law)!

The same way teens’ brains wired on attacking others – it makes them feel good about it! The education, and social training and the TIME are the Salvation Army for our teens.

We all knew about problems in ours educational system! And one of them is money. To pure money not into education, training and rehabilitation but into jurisdictional system and prisons – is irresponsible and we, as a sociality, participating with our criminal teens in their crimes! For life of future victims we should change it!

3. 2. Charging as adults?
…became the law after voting on Proposal Initiatives.
The Constitution prohibits to vote by majority on a law against minority.
Some situations are requesting the specialists only (Departments) to create a new law. We all knew what is a flu but we are not voting on proposals how it should be treated by doctors. Why we – adults' majority – made a law against the minority – the teens by voting on how the social decease of juvenile's crime should be treated?


GoodGrief   July 30th, 2010 5:56 am ET

Numbers 35: 16-18

16 And if he smite him with an instrument of iron, so that he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

17 And if he smite him with throwing a stone, wherewith he may die, and he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

18 Or if he smite him with an hand weapon of wood, wherewith he may die, and he die, he is a murderer: the murderer shall surely be put to death.

Mmmmmmmmh, last time I looked, baseball bats were made out of wood!


Jane   August 5th, 2010 6:12 pm ET

We do not allow children to buy cigarettes and alcohol because of a lack of valid judgement, same rules apply. I think we forget that jail is a place for rehabilitation, not punishment. These children would stand no chance in an adult prison.


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