April 30, 2010

ICYMI: Carlos Mencia & Sheriff Joe Arpaio

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Rob   April 30th, 2010 11:42 am ET

I think the Arizona law is a step in the right direction. There are many illegal aliens from Mexico and between the drugs, illegal workers, border security and monitoring costs, Mexicans cost the US government and ultimately taxpayers billions of dollars. Mexico is one of the most dangerous places in the world today and we have to do whatever is necessary to protect the USA, first and foremost. Although some feelings are going to be hurt, sometimes there are more important things as a whole than a few people's feelings. If you dont like it, move somewhere else.

adela   April 30th, 2010 11:50 am ET

its the police or the Gestapo?

Cindy   April 30th, 2010 12:11 pm ET

Az is a little Havanah. just disgusting

Pat   April 30th, 2010 12:23 pm ET

i just love Sheriff Joe Arpaio. Great job Sheriff.

Theresa   April 30th, 2010 12:56 pm ET

Hopefully Prs. Obama backsteps in regard to offshore drilling since what has happene d offshore of Louisiana is a good example why it shouldn't happen. He was just pandering for approval by the \Republicans. Now, I hope he steps back from his negative comments re: the Arizona immigration law. It may not be perfect..but it is a step in the right direction. I'm certain his opinion is payback for all the Hispanic support. He should just stick to his positive , good points ...this pandering for votes is a NO win situation!!! I commend Gov. Brewer..she knew she'd have a battle on her hands...she did what was right for Arizona. Enough of ILLEGALS trying to rule the will only be ruined if they succeed...laws are laws made to be followed NOT disobeyed!!!

gerald Jolly   April 30th, 2010 1:20 pm ET

Joe Arpaio, is a disgrace to every police officer in America,

He is the epitamy of everything that is wrong with police officers..

Obviously a school yard bully, that never grew up and become a man.

He not only shames police officers, but he shames a country and town where he is allowed to serve the people.

The most disgusting individual I have ever heard speaking or representing law abiding citizens.


Pat   April 30th, 2010 1:34 pm ET

LOL @ BULLY!!! Have you been to Arizona Gerald? If you have you can't be a pansy. Mexicans are ruining our state and many others. I love Sheriff Joe. No papers no living in the U.S plain and simple. Americans aren't going to deal with drugs, finanicing, violence anymore. We want the mexicans gone. Why would you want to stay somewhere where your not welcome anyway? Mexicans think they are going to win but it on't happen. Time is up

Jada   April 30th, 2010 2:05 pm ET

I think that the approach that AZ is taking is a little harsh. They should allow a time frame for illegals to become legal and cut spending on programs for illegal immigrants. They also should target businesses who hire illegal immigrants and charge them a hefty fine. If they chose not to become citizens, then they should be deported. They are breaking the law, yet receiving benefits of American citizens. In regards to the job issue, most Americans won't do the work of illegal immigrants (except in the construction industry, where i know many many people who have experience in the industry and are being passed up because of illegal immigrants) This law will ultimately lead to racial profiling whether you want to believe it or not.

IKHAN   April 30th, 2010 2:26 pm ET

Hi Larry,
I have to agree with@gerald Jolly
crime is not Mexican, Italian,Irish, Asian,African & does not exclusively is the characteristic of a particular race or creed. Be it Arizona or any other state.

What is needed is not a law of this kind based on malice but to streamline the enforcement of existing laws. Fighting crimes be they related to illegal immigrants or citizens, is a national problem.
This country needs to divert resources from senseless wars & from plans for more wars to the problems which are plaguing this nation here at home. Both money & manpower is needed at home to secure borders, bolster maritime security, fighting crimes, policing of cities & streets, fire fighting, for a better education & health care system, infrastructure and generally making life better for Americans.
States & cities are going bankrupt. Communities are suffering for lack of funds for welfare projects cutting back on essential services. The list could go on & on.
We desperately need funds at home, not for invading countries thousands of miles away or feeding other countries.

Dodie   April 30th, 2010 4:44 pm ET

@ IKHAN & Gerald Jolly

Well articulated!

With our country in a true dichotomy, our resources focused on two wars which reside on another land, and our own country divided, sliding on the sands of time and struggling. The federal immigration laws should be fully enforced so there would be no need for states creating additional immigration legislation; ultimately creating a wider rift within the fissure of this country.

Law enforcement experience years of individuals who behave like excrement; therefore, prejudice and bigotry can easily escalate into full racism.

IKHAN   April 30th, 2010 5:22 pm ET

@gerald Jolly
you make my day. I couldn't help but laugh with the way you got in a left & a right

right on mark I couldn't agree more with what you say about prejudice & bigotry getting the upper hand here.

Have you folks heard about L.A legislators making it possible to carry concealed arms into churches for personal safety. A big victory for the gun lobby & a defeat for the American way.
The day has returned that we need to defend our life & property the Wild West way & can no longer leave it to the good old law enforcement.
Well whose fault is it? We have been focused outwards so much, creating boogymen & demonizing nations around the world that we forgot to tend our own garden where now you see weeds of hate, bias & paranoia out growing & destroying the lush shrubbery the world used to admire.
Every day I see it grow some more & am saddened.

Kevin   April 30th, 2010 5:34 pm ET

I think they should put military in front of each grocery store in AZ and check papers. When they get hungry they'll leave.I also love Joe the Sheriff. Whats the panic about if your legal. Just because you breathe doesn't mean your a citizen. These people feel differently. Cut their feet off I read on a post. Excellent idea to start. If they dont obey the law there should be penalties. Now Bedbugs are making there way into the U.S. again do to these illegals I read on a blog. God they do so much damage and blind what they are doing. I hope this law is passed in every state we are becoming envaded.

Theresa   April 30th, 2010 5:39 pm ET

Oh, isn't that great ....weapons,,weapons everywhere. Things certainly have digressed's not"s the O.K. Corral time. Why do people think just because you have to show I.D. it's racist. As I've said it before..if the majority od illegals were middle eastern many of you favouring the illegal population would be backing the middle eastern illegal? Let me guess...maybe 5 %!!!!!! I just wonder how many that are posting & approve of the illegals ..have family members amongst that group or hire them as your employees & pay them cash at a much discounted rate? Just curious!!!!

JAMI   April 30th, 2010 5:42 pm ET

Its because the illegals come here to breed and live off the system. I think gerald you have it very wrong. I agree with Pat. She /he knows how to dmagae control. Its just horrible they think they have rights and they don't belong here. Look at the prison system full of latinos and guess what we have to pay the bill. My son goes to school with 4 mexicans which know no english.

Pat   April 30th, 2010 5:54 pm ET

Maybe we could round the illegals and they could help with distasters. I employee 2 mexicans to help run my household and yes they are legal. I can say they do make a great bed and mow a nice yard :). If this is what they feel they are most capable of than better for us. I am not here to educate them. I am here to take care of my family. It's not my responsibility to play mother. I don't know if there relations are illegal that is not my business. I do often wonder. I don't allow them to invite there relatives into our grounds. Not because I am woried but my neighbors would frown upon it. We are trying to go mexicsan free households.

Joe G. (Illinois)   April 30th, 2010 6:18 pm ET

Itā€™s impossible for people like Carlo Mencia to ear the cries of innocent victims..

For one, they are pathologically incapable and too busy calling out racism.

But he does make a point..
Before anyone ever ask any mexicans for documentation,
they should offer them Grey Poupon Mustard on a silver platter.
Show them some class.. Just in case they are real Americans.

John   April 30th, 2010 6:45 pm ET

Jeez Pat, what are you running over there? a plantation? If you're so worried about being "mexican-free", then get off your butt and clean your own house and mow your own yard. Thank heavens you're not there to educate them and likely not anyone with that oddly distorted world view of yours. We need to fix this immigration problem because I'm would like to go back to not supporting the same agenda with airheads. Let's stick to the genuine economic issues and issues with healthcare and our education system that are so heavily taxed as support of the need to reform rather than idiotic babble from veiled racists.

maggie   April 30th, 2010 6:48 pm ET

I agree with you . I much rather spend my money on trips and cars than pay a white worker to clean our home too. You do have to watch your valuables but thats what insurance is for my husband says.

gerald Jolly   April 30th, 2010 6:52 pm ET

@ Pat.

You've got to get on the same page as the intelligent people "RETARD"

You cant have it both ways.

First you degrade the WETBACKS, then you bravely announce that you have two of them working for you.

AHHH! I know why you're doing that, I bet it's because you want GOD to love you "RIGHT"

Tell me Pat, how many wetbacks have you "BEAT UP" lately????

gerald Jolly   April 30th, 2010 6:55 pm ET

@ Pat.

Who had the children that you claim you are not responsible for raising.


cositaseria   April 30th, 2010 7:23 pm ET

i was laughing with what Carlos said last night, and JOE ARPAIO was so angry, his face was red, i couldnt help but laugh more, jaja

just to hear joe arpio al those lies, the way his lips moved whe he said:"" we arrested 10 thousand ilegal immigrants, we have them in prison because theyre CRIMINALS"", and he kept repeting again and again those big numbers....i bet joe left everybody with their mouth open saying " WOW all those people enter the border everyday and i didnt know""

i live in Arizona, and of course he arrested people, but not so many, and most of them were LEGAL CRIMINALS.....

i mean, most of you who arent from ARIZONA happen to imagine 10 thousand ilegals running with backpacks and gallons of water in their hands, in middle downtown phoenix ( cause thats where JOE ARPAIO DOES HIS RAIDS) one after another, and most of them with packets scatch to their body (you know what i mean).........

WELL you happen to have a great imagination, theres ilegal immigration of course, no one can deny that, but not those huge numers he says, hes just trying to scare americans and make them think these ilegals are just bad CRIMINALS......of course theyre breaking the law......i just cant picture them just like JOE does, i dont think ALL of them are CRIMINALS, most of them just want to work hard......

Paul   April 30th, 2010 7:59 pm ET

People are talking about boycotting Arizona. No one in Arizona voted for this law, or even for the governor for that matter. People compain about racial profiling but now Arizona residents are all being profiled and called racist.

LZ   April 30th, 2010 8:00 pm ET

The police, the INS, and the rest of the Arizona government know exactly where undocumented workers work. The reason they don't go to the factories, farms, etc. is that they know that there is no way the fattest people in the world could possible do the job that these poor people do. I mean if you have to compete with people who don't speak English, you were never much of a worker to begin with.

Dave Anson   April 30th, 2010 9:26 pm ET

We have to quit equating socialism with a political ideal! Socialism is an economic theory, not a ruling theory. There are several democratic socialist states, Brittan being one. Capitalism is based on greed! It is an economic theory that encourages one having the most toys!

On immigration, legal immigration is what the country is based on. I think the Arizona bill will have the positive effect of forcing the congress t o move. I am not in favor of racial profiling, but, the move by Arizona is the result of inactivity by the federal government!

Kaleta   April 30th, 2010 9:39 pm ET

Az. is doing what every border state should do, more power to you. I am a native Texan, we should be helping Az.
I can not bleive those people were allowed to through bottles, etc. at Az. laws, that kind of actions is why we do not need to let them stay! I think a machine gun would make them much better people! See, now a lawman has been shot by one! Note: Catron County ,NM , has a law requiring every citizen to own a gun! I was there three years, never heard one cross-word from any one and I was post master replacement the last yer I lived there. I was 70 when they ask me to take the po until they could get a new post master, what a great time I had that year!

Antonio Andrade born in Chicago   May 1st, 2010 2:14 am ET

This is way the law is a bad idea . Look at the comments. Yes i'am Mexican

bcs   May 1st, 2010 3:03 am ET

You can whine about how bad Goe is or the fact that Az. is passing a law that is affecting the poor illeagls. But before you do , think about the rancher who would help the border jumpers. Who was murdered, the rancher by who, the illeagls.

Ted   May 1st, 2010 8:33 am ET

I consider myself to be a liberal person who says live and let live and all human beings are equal, however I must contest above blogs.

This AZ law is not against mexicans or any other latinos as such, but it tries to stop the influx of illegal aliens, many of them criminals and drug dealers. Those who damn it should move to the border for a few months and see if you change your opinion.

I have no problems if a police officer asks for my papers. If Carlos Mencia was stopped his knowledge of english language would be enough to prove that he is not a border jumper. He is an influencial person, so he should support this very badly needed law.
All those legal mexicans, born here or immigrated legally, do not do any good to their cause by making all this noise.
The crimes commited by the Mafia and Cosa Nostra made the lives of honest and decent italians more difficult. Those illegal border jumpers, many carrying drugs with them, whom you are protecting will make your life also more difficult, because the average people just sweep you all under the same carpet.

You mexicans, you should be the first ones who support this law. It is not illegal to check the identity of a person, so do not get your ego and macho get in the way. Those illegals look just like you do, so you will get stopped more than a blond, 6 feet tall swede or red headed irish.
If we want to make an omelette we must break a few eggs.

There are a few bad eggs in any policy force, however most are like you and me.
If you had to deal 12 hours every day with the drag of the human race, get called dirty names, paid poorly, you may also act sometimes not a proper way. We should not damn, but support our police, they risk their lives every day by hunting down criminals and murderers so you can sleep peacefully.
And if one of them should step out of line cosnstantly, he should be charged and fired. No tolerance where the best is needed.

Ted   May 1st, 2010 8:45 am ET

I spent a great part of my life in foreign countries and am accustomed to always carry an ID with me.
If you leave yours home it is your own fault if you get into trouble with the police, so get used to have one in your pocket.
If you forget to file your taxes and get a fine, you should not blame the law, but yourself. Self disciplinee is in great shortage in our land.

Karen   May 2nd, 2010 1:57 am ET

Joe Arpaio is a disgrace.

Government is taking too much power

and Arizona is now the most hated place it the world.

People dont know what itslike for illegal immigrants. Just to let you know "Americans" did the same thing illegals do now. they came here for better life.
but the difference is illegals didnt kill everyone who tried to help them like americans did with the Indians and Mexicans who owned california and Texas.

This law is hypocritical to "American History" and everyone who agrees with it are HYPOCRITESSSSSS

concerned voice   May 2nd, 2010 4:29 am ET

first and foremost

@Carlos Mencia

You are truly an idiot, and i hope that these illegals are not planning on choosing you as a front runner for their cause, because your jokes are not very funny, kinda hurtful, but your political views are hilarious

you should utilize your skill of political incorrectness to your advantage, maybe be one of those far leftist shock jocks


"Have you folks heard about L.A legislators making it possible to carry concealed arms into churches for personal safety. A big victory for the gun lobby & a defeat for the American way"

you know i think there is a certain amendment in a little piece of paper that dictates to the land that we have something called a right to bare arms? you might want to read about, its pretty interesting and plus you get the added benefit of knowing what it is your talking about when it comes to the whole legal system in place in this fine country


i love your idea about cutting feet off, but unfortunately that is why we are over seas fighting a certain group of people that like to do that kind of stuff šŸ™


lolz you facilitator, bad pat for letting them think they are doing something with their lives while you drink your morning coffee


wow thats pretty racist against white people, you wouldnt want to pay people of a certain color to do jobs just because of a color? id pay a purple person to paint my barn if he/she did a good enough job

@gerald Jolly

wow *shakes head in remorse of your hatred of the latino culture*


so when is entering a country ILLEGALLY not illegal?


do you live in AZ? id like to talk numbers, because obviously you have done your homework if you know for a fact that nobody voted for a law that passed, or a governer that got elected, if you could get back to me on that for clarification that would be ideal


fattest people in the world, ouch thats pretty harsh, you do know that includes you right, you live here too so im pretty sure that encompasses you and everyone you know or will ever meet


the reason we have to compete with these illegals is not incompetency, its just a little matter of a thing called lower wages paid = padded pockets

@Dave Anson

capitalism runs the world, are you a business owner? wouldn't you like to sell your services and your skills, and maybe a product to others to make money? do you go to work everyday? you are committing your theoretical heinous act of capitalism my friend, but i do agree on your point that its time for D.C. to move on the issue

@Antonio from Chicago

I respect that your mexican, a good portion of my family is latino, but can you word your statement a little better please? id like to know what you have to say, unlike most right wingers im not a far right wing kind of guy and i respect others opinions


had a hard time reading past the spelling errors but you are spot on the money my friend


thank you, thank you, thank you, a liberal human being who has a mind for himself, where have you been all this time? i like it when you speak up, you speak the good word.

ever thought about coming to the bu bu bum...... Right side of politics? we could certainly use you these days with all of the scandals going on, somebody has to have a concience out of all of these idiots who say they represent my views but dont

guys its been a pleasure, hope to talk again soon

Antaes   May 2nd, 2010 10:34 am ET

I saw the debate & felt that, like everyone else, Carlos Mencia did not know what he was talking about & that Sherrif Arpaio was cool , calm & made all the sense in the world. Carlos was all over the place & was stuttering & stammering & had no argument. This is an open & shut case & all the rhetoric from the folks supporting these law breakers is just going to make it worse for them.

Ted   May 2nd, 2010 11:12 am ET

@ concerned voice

Most above blogs were written without even giving a thought to this great problems we have with the illegals, just mouthing off like the praying wheels the buddhist have. You can spin them for a whole day, but you always get the same result.

There are times when you MUST break eggs or even heads!
We constantly wage wars thousands of miles away to secure our land, but let just anyone walk accross the border with weapons and drugs. I have good friend in AZ and they are most concerned about the situation.

I must repeat what I said above, this law doesnĀ“t apply to any decent and legal latino residents, they should help the police by informing them of any dubious activity they may notice.

As far as becoming a politician, NOT FOR A MILLION DOLLARS!!
I hate dishonest people and all our politicians are crooked, more or less. We should throw all of them out and start fresh, but they probably will be just as dishonest in a few years.
In Washington you either swim with the sharks or they chew you to pieces.

Cajazz76:24:8   May 2nd, 2010 3:36 pm ET

As an influx of immigrants migrated into a nation, inhabited by 'savages', the Europeans, starving for personal and religious freedoms, destroyed the cultures of an already growing nation. We chopped and we burned their societies in the name of a bountiful God, and placed them onto small plots of barren land and starved them of their birth rights.

Before we became an industrialized nation, we were a nation of farmers expanding westward to broadcast and reap all that was sewn by its native inhabitants, long before the United States of America was ever tabled as a nation.

In 1846 we began to sew the seeds of Imperialism in Mexico, watered it with our ethnocentrism, cultivated our jingoism, fertilized it with genocide, grew nothing but our weeds of xenophobia, to sell in a market place of agoraphobia, only to lose all profit to racial and social phobias.

Between 1846 and 1848, two fruitful neighbors, the United States and Mexico, went to war. It was a defining event for both nations, cultivating a continent and forging a new identity for its peoples. By the war's end, Mexico lost nearly half of its territory, the present American Southwest from Texas to California, and the United States became a continental power.

The legacy of any important historical event must be calculated from many viewpoints. The discussion of the legacy is a continual transformation because history, after all, is never irrevocable, as future generations confront for themselves the forces and ideas that shape our lives.

The issues raised during the U.S.-Mexican War are ones that are still valid today: the contradiction between stated ideals and actual practice; the distinction between a "just" and an "unjust" war; the ways citizenship is defined and identified in a multicultural society; and the challenges in building progressive and democratic nations.

Now, we are starving to find a soluble resolve due to the inundation of both legal and illegal immigration across the borders of The United Mexican States, drowning from a hydrophobic irresponsibility of a Congress mired in the muck of putrid partisan politics, unable to hoe the legislation necessary to bear an edible solution. Before the eyes of the world, we, as a "civilized" society, are all eating crow, still salted by racial divide, unable to palate what true democracy is, universally undefined.

We look skyward for answers wondering if we are not alone, fearing of becoming the seeds for an invading alien entity. Who would want to plow through and harvest all we have failed at cultivating on a planet strewn with the fragmented roots of a silly human race?

Dawson   May 3rd, 2010 4:57 am ET

I think that Carlos Mencia is right on his last statement. We would not have illegal immigrants in the United States if they could not work.

Until a few years ago it was pretty easy for people with some types of non-immigrant visas to get Social Security numbers from the SSA. If they would overstay their visa, thus becoming illegal, they would still be able to use their real numbers to work. At least 1/3 of illegal immigrants in the U.S. today, people from many different countries, came here with valid visas. Among them there are adults that were brought as children into this country, and people that were not selected in the work visa lottery after graduating from an U.S. college, for example.

The other 2/3, that crossed the border without verification, can still work with made up Social Security numbers. But some companies don't even bother to ask for documents from people when hiring. Our demand for cheap products and services, our corporate greed, a Social Security card that any modern printer can replicate, and failure from our politicians to proceed with a fair system reform, are responsible for illegal immigration.

Ted   May 3rd, 2010 10:16 am ET

@ cajazz

You are absolutely correct that we illegally took from Mexico a great part of our SW and should give it back to them.
In that case Mickey Mouse in LA would have to learn spanish.

This would move our mutual borders a few hundred miles north, the drug cartells operating today in Tihuana and other mexican towns would set up shop in Phoenix or LA and we would have exactly the same problems facing us.
Drug gangs waging war in AZ, NM and CA killing police and politicians who are in their way, the border jumpers would cross the new borders looking for work, and the drug lords have an easier route to flood our country with poison.
Do we want that?

Or we could pull our heads out of our derrieĀ“rs, realize that problems do not go away, but keep growing, vote some politicians with large BALLS into office and do something to improve the situation.
We cannot turn back the history, regardless how dirty it makes us, but promise never to do it again. Every one of us is responsible, when we attack and bomb other nations, but fail to defend our own country.

Cajazz76:24:8   May 3rd, 2010 1:57 pm ET


Knowing our history should prevent us from making past mistakes. That is rarely what happens, given the fact that decisions that activate such action come from the smallest and most inactive portion of a 'productive' society, the politicians in Washington.

It will take both Mexico and the U.S. to resolve the immigration issues at the federal level and partisan politics are STALLING the process in D.C..

Maybe a well placed foot in the sacks of political testicular ineptitude will get them to cough up a little cooperation and a little resolve.

There is no dispute as to where the borders are, just who will and how they will be managed...always two sides necessary to do that, whether in Washington or Mexico City.

The major cause creating the legal and illegal migration north has nothing to do with the border, it's the border regions.The United States-Mexico border region is defined as the area of land that is 100 kilometers (62.5 miles) north and south of the international boundary (La Paz Agreement). It stretches approximately 2,000 miles from the southern tip of Texas to California. The population of this expanse of land is estimated to be approximately 13 million.

In that border region are demographics that are the first in the worst and the last in the best of everything from sanitation to death related disease rates to housing and poverty on both sides of the border. There is the affect...the effect to resolve it must come from both sides of the border. Given the history of the cause that created the affect, it is at the hands of Washington to initiate the effect of the cause. Dang, Ted you're getting me tongue-tired.

Ted   May 4th, 2010 8:50 am ET

@ cajazz

Getting you tongue-tied, ( I am sure you ment this, because I doubt your tongue is used to hit those keys), probably would take an act of congress!!!
DonĀ“t you dare even to think of it, just bash away at all those ignorants who have no interest or guts to speak up against the wrong doings of our politicians and our nation as a whole.

Liberals are the engine of a car or a plane. It may have luxurious interior, light metal wheels or wings, but it will not go anyplace without that engine. If we give up, even the mediocra progress this nation is doing will go to zero!! ZILCH!!! DENADA!!!

G.S. Mendez   June 10th, 2010 5:24 am ET

As someone who was born and raised in the State of Arizona, I don't in any way condone this law. YES I have read It and I do follow what is going in the state and I commend those who are fighting against it. For those who think Sheriff Joe is the best this since slice bread let me give you some personal eye witness facts: at one time after I served OUR country proud as an enlisted active duty service member befor becoming a commissioned officer, I work at one of his jails doing correctional health, and I would see how he mistreated the so-called inmates he had on ICE hold. They were treat for different then any other inmate he had incarcerated. As for this Governor Brewer she is taking us back to the days of Evan Mecham and his corupt and racist values. My family came across the US/Mexico Border when it was just a line in the dirt. I will not carry any document stating my citizenship nor will I carry my daughter BC to show where she was born. Futhermore (I dont care how much heat/backlash I will get from this comment) If I am pulled over I will NOT speak English ( I speak 6 different languages) due to the fact there is NO law that states I must speak English ever questioned by any law enforcement official.

Latinpower   July 30th, 2010 12:14 am ET

Be aware, Be afraid because in 50 years from now we will have a President from Latino Roots and we will speak English and Spanish anything you say here it will be nothing. Good luck with your intention to stop the unstoppable. By the way by that time many of you will not be here by then. LOL.

AZCitizen   September 28th, 2010 4:35 pm ET

Oh come on people, shut up already! I live here in AZ and I love it, BECAUSE WERE DOING NOTHING WRONG. How the hell else are we supposed to know if you broke the law and ILLEGALLY crossed the border unless we ask you for ID? Yeah we might have to profuile a little, and use common sense, and take a chance to see if ther person is actually illegal, but were not nazis!

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