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March 29, 2010

A Time for Contrition

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WHAT DO THE ALLEGED VICTIMS THINK ABOUT THE VATICAN'S RESPONSE? WATCH LARRY KING LIVE TUESDAY TO FIND OUT!!

Via NYTimes.com

By ROSS DOUTHAT
During a frustrating argument with a Roman Catholic cardinal, Napoleon Bonaparte supposedly burst out: “Your eminence, are you not aware that I have the power to destroy the Catholic Church?” The cardinal, the anecdote goes, responded ruefully: “Your majesty, we, the Catholic clergy, have done our best to destroy the church for the last 1,800 years. We have not succeeded, and neither will you.”

Two centuries later, the clergy has taken another shot at it. What the American and Irish churches have endured in the last decade and what German Catholics find themselves enduring today is all part of the same grim story: the exposure, years after the fact, of an appalling period in which the Catholic hierarchy responded to an explosion of priestly sex abuse with cover-ups, evasions and criminal negligence.

Now the scandal has touched the pope himself. There are two charges against Benedict XVI: first, that he allowed a pedophile priest to return to ministry while archbishop of Munich in 1980; and second, that as head of the Vatican’s Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith in the 1990s, he failed to defrock a Wisconsin priest who had abused deaf children 30 years before.

The second charge seems unfair. The case was finally forwarded to the Vatican by the archbishop of Milwaukee, Rembert Weakland, more than 20 years after the last allegation of abuse. With the approval of then-Cardinal Ratzinger’s deputy, the statute of limitations was waived and a canonical trial ordered. It was only suspended because the priest was terminally ill; indeed, pretrial proceedings were halted just before he died.

But the first charge is more serious. The Vatican insists that the crucial decision was made without the future pope’s knowledge, but the paper trail suggests that he could have been in the loop. At best, then-Archbishop Ratzinger was negligent. At worst, he enabled further abuse.

For those of us who admire the pope, either possibility is distressing, but neither should come as a great surprise. The lesson of the American experience, now exhaustively documented, is that almost everyone was complicit in the scandal. From diocese to diocese, the same cover-ups and gross errors of judgment repeated themselves regardless of who found themselves in charge. Neither theology nor geography mattered: the worst offenders were Cardinal Bernard Law of Boston and Cardinal Roger Mahony of Los Angeles — a conservative and a liberal, on opposite ends of the country.

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Cajazz76:24:8   March 29th, 2010 9:35 pm ET

It really lies in the hands of the 'faithful' it's called the 'ALMIGHTY DOLLAR' or the currency of the homeland's of choice, that could stop the cover-ups.


Laidy in Va.   March 29th, 2010 9:49 pm ET

I never knew America was so heartless and greedy and then offer pretense to other countries as if we're so kind and charitable and loving. Well love and care begins at home. The tea party is making a joke of this country.
I'M HERE TO PUT EVERY ONE ON NOTICE WHAT TALK IS ON THE STREET. SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, POINT FINGERS WHERE Y0U WANT,
BUT TEA PARTIES KNOW IF ANYONE AS MUCH AS RUMPLES A HAIR ON OUR PRESIDENTS HEAD, AMERICA WILL NOT BE RECOGNIZABLE UNTIL CHRIST COMES BACK.
ALL THIS TALK ABOUT LOAD UP AND VIOLENCE JUST WHO IS THAT TARGETED TO? BLACKS? THE PRESIDENT? POOR PEOPLE?
BLACK PEOPLE BUILT THE WHITE HOUSE AND I'VE ALREADY HEARD PEOPLE SAY IF THEY TOUCH OUR PRESIDENT THAT HOUSE WILL BE TAKEN DOWN BRICK BY BRICK.
THIS HATE TALKIING CAN AND DOES GO BOTH WAYS. SO I THINK THE MEDIA NEEDS TO STOP GIVING THESE PEOPLE A PLATFORM. HATE BREEDS HATE. WHAT A JOKE WE ARE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.
OBAMA WON THE ELECTION FAIR AND SQUARE


Gerald Jolly   March 29th, 2010 11:05 pm ET

As a former catholic, I am absolutely disgusted at the stand the Vatican is taking on the child abuses priests are guiltry of around the globe.

Who gave the Pope or any of his ministers the right to spend more than a BILLION dollars of parishioners donations to cover up this travesty.

Is it any wonder that people are leaving the catholic church in droves.


A. Smith, Oregon   March 29th, 2010 11:26 pm ET

Thanks almost entirely to a team of lawyers here in Oregon who are representing several hundred children that were raped, sodomized and brutally sexually molested for several years by priests and clergy from the Vatican, there appears to be a paper trail of orders from the Vatican and then Cardinal Ratz, now known as Pope Ratz.

That paper trail appears to indicate it was Cardinal Ratz who was shielding, protecting and moving serial child pedophiles to other locations where those predator serial pedophiles continued with another parish of innocent victims.

Pope Ratz is currently claiming and hiding behind Sovereign Treaty's and Sovereign Authority to being immune for Aiding, Abiding and Conspiracy leading to child rape, sodomy and multiple sexual abuse of children in his care and under trust to him.

By hiding under being a leader of a Sovereign Nation is immune from prosecution fly's in the face of former Panamanian leader Manual Noriega who was alleged to have been involved with illegal drug exportation, where as Pope Ratz's possible crimes would be far worse, far more heinous and impact far more American family's.

Pope Ratz has instructed parishes to declare bankruptcy rather than honor the US Court ordered monetary settlements be given to the child victims. Which those parishes across America have done.

Pope Ratz has instructed suspected serial pedophile clerics to move to a unsuspecting parish of new innocent victims which they did.

The Cardinal that appeared to be obstructing US Justice Courts in the multiple child rape and sodomy cases here in Oregon was moved by order of Pope Ratz and given Pope Ratz's former job he held when he appeared to look the other way and cover-up all of the ongoing child rape and sodomy cases by the Church.

The Oregon Case appears to be headed to the US Supreme Court asking to include Pope Ratz and The Vatican in its defendants and whom monetary settlements could be lodged against. The Pope is meanwhile hiding behind Sovereign Treaty agreements like a disgusting reptile under a rock.

I can think of no worse example of a religious figurehead than Pope Ratz.

Pope Ratz should resign.


A. Smith, Oregon   March 29th, 2010 11:30 pm ET

What the Vatican does not want you to know:

I find it entirely ironic that it appears that the hands of God are revealing the depth, horrific corruption and criminal cover-up's by the Pope and the Vatican for many decades in regards to sex abuse of children by the clergy. And the Vatican exorcists are blaming this wave of exposure on the 'devil'.

What the Vatican does not want you to know is that Pope Ratz is the least qualified person to ever be placed into a position as a religious figurehead.

HOWEVER, to numerous dark and nefarious branches within the Vatican and outside of the Vatican, Cardinal Ratz's past improper actions and corruption were well known. They pressured his fellow Cardinals to vote for Cardinal Ratz to be the current Pope. WHY? Because those dark and nefarious branches in the Vatican and outside of the Vatican could easily coerce and extort Pope Ratz to not block nor disrupt their dark and nefarious activity's. Pope Ratz's prior corruption and improper actions when he repeatedly blocked judicial actions on multiple clergy who were found to be serial pedophiles made him their ideal choice.

Any Papal disclosure of Vatican agency's involvement with Money Laundering, Drug Smuggling or Child Slavery would immediately be met with the disclosure of all of Pope Ratz's past misdeeds.

Now that Pope Ratz has been outed, will he publicly reveal the nefarious dark agency's activity's in the Vatican and work to permanently remove them, or is he too filled with further corruption to do what a Pope should have done within the Vatican for decades?


Cajazz76:24:8   March 29th, 2010 11:32 pm ET

@Gerald Jolly

Seems this world will have a growing number of 'recovering Catholics" as more revelations are made of the cover-ups regarding centuries of abuse the church has conveniently denied.

I cannot decide which is worse lately, the Republican Party trying to create anarchy and an overthrow of a duly elected President and Congressional majority or the disgusting denials and perversion of the
Papal States of a theocracy.


luckybee   March 30th, 2010 12:01 am ET

I think it is for the katholiek's them self's to judge wether the pope is the reprecentative of Jezus Christ on earth, or not.As for me I am a Calvinist, I don't believe in him anyway.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 30th, 2010 12:38 am ET

luckybee

It's should be up to the laws of the country in which the abuses occur to put on trial those accused of the molestations of children. To hell with what the church says, and those involved in any cover-ups should be tried, as well, including the Pope.


Gerald Jolly   March 30th, 2010 12:57 am ET

@ Cajazz.

I eluded to the fact that I was once a catholic, but I should have explained that I was so, because my Grandma dragged me to mass every sunday morning when I was a child

The Monseignor scared me to death..

It's the Irish thing to do, DONT YA KNOW.

Ha! Ha!

I hope you are well.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 30th, 2010 2:02 am ET

Gerald Jolly

Glad you didn't hang around long enough to become 'dickted'.. so a recovery period would not be needed.. I am doing fine and hope your doing fine and dandy yourself...Ever try that fangled Scientology slant?


Terik Ororke   March 30th, 2010 8:23 am ET

It is wonderful to bring up things of ancient history in which even the civil authorities did not act. CNN constantly assails the Catholic church. We have heard nothing ( over several years) about the Boy Scouts abuses that are even larger and goes back to the 1930's. It seems that CNN has adopted an anti-Catholic mentality –and of course the moderators will not allow this to be printed.


Wayne from New Brunswick Canada   March 30th, 2010 12:05 pm ET

Kind of amazes me, a guy, how easily all these 'victims' were so brutally raped, sodomized, abused etc. One would think these 'victims' would have immediately told their parents and police at the time if they were so brutalized. The real truth is that the vast majority went along with the sexual activity and are now hollering rape so they can cash in. It is very difficult to 'force' even young males to have sex against their will, but the feminist controlled media would have you believe that all these young 'victims' were brutally raped. Sorry, as a male I know better. Of course the priesthood is very attractive to homosexuals who don't want to accept their sexuality and therefore cannot grow and develope homosexual relationships with guys their own age. What is so hard to figure out. This whole problem is caused by straight society's persecution and ridicule of homosexuals over the decades. If people could grow as homosexuals with full acceptance and equal rights this problem would dissappear. Enough of the hysteria and hypocracy against men and the sex offence witch-hunt. – Wayne


Afi N. Binta   March 30th, 2010 12:27 pm ET

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bles, riddles, allegories, prophecy, drama, and all other forms of hum-
an expression. They embrace all manner of literary styles. It cannot be excelled from any standpoint.
It is the book that contains the mind of God, the state of man, the way
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ctice it to be holy. It contains light to direct you, food to support you, and comfort to cheer you. It is the traveler's map, the pilgrim's staff, the pilot's compass, the soldier's sword, and the Christian's charter.
Here Heaven is opened and the Gates of Hell disclosed. Christ is its grand subject, our good its design, and the glory of God its end. It should fill your memory, rule your heart, and guide your feet in righteou
sness and true holiness. Read it slowly, frequently, prayerfully, medit-
atively, searchingly, devotionally, and study it constantly, perseveringly, and industriously. Read it through and through until it becomes part of your being and generates faith that will move mountains. It is a mine of wealth, the source of health, and a world of pleasure. It is given to you in this life, will be opened at the judgment, and will last forever. It involves the highest responsibility, will reward the least to the greatest labor, and will condemn all who trifle with its sacred contents. It is a mirror to reflect, James 1:23; hammer to convict, fire to refine, Jeremiah 23:29; seed to multiply, First Peter 1:23; laver to cleanse, Ephesians 5:26; John 15:3; lamp to guide, Psalm 119:105; and food to nourish, including milk for babes, 1 Peter 2:2, bread for the hungry, Matthew 4:4, meat for men, Hebrews 5:11-14, and honey for dessert, Psalm 19:10. It is rain and snow to refresh, Isaiah 55:10
; a sword to cut, Hebrews 4:12; a bow to revenge, Habakkuk 3:9; gold to enrich, Psalm 19:7-10; and power to create life and faith, 1 Peter 1:23; Romans 10:17.
The Bible is the most simple book to understand. This sounds ridiculous to the average person, but if you will stop to consider a few simple facts you will change your mind and see how sensible such a conclusion is. The reasons for this claim are: 1. Because the Bible is a revelation. 2. Because of its repeated truths. 3. Because the Bible is written in the most simple human language possible. 4. Be-
cause God is the author of the Bible. 5. The Bible is simple because it was given by God to be understood by the simple. 6. The Bible is simple because reading and believing with a simple heart what is read is considered by God all that is necessary to understand it. 7. The Bible is a simple book to understand because most of it is history and simple instructions how to live.
The most simple beginners can understand the Bible one line at a time, for this is the way it was given, and it is the best way to understand it (aisaiah 28:9-13). No man can get all the vastness of the Bible at once. It is the seemingly infinite scope of truth that causes some men to think the Bible is hard to understand. It is like a man arguing that he cannot understand water because he cannot drink the ocean dry at one drink. Naturally it takes time to get a simpl
e knowledge of the whole Bible, but what we contend is this: that taking a line at a time, verse at a time, or truth at a time, it cannot be hard to understand. One cannot look at any big book and get all of its contents at a glance. A man is foolish to say the Bible is hard to understand until he gets into it and gets acquainted with its contents.
If a man will do this he will find the Bible truths opening up beyond his fondest dreams. The ones who contend that the Bible is hard to understand are of several classes: a. Those who are ignorant of its contents. b. Those who are too lazy to master its contents. c. Those who are biased contrary to its contents (Matthew 15:7-14; John 8:43).
d. Those who refuse to believe what it says and get entangled in a maze of theories and interpretations that they have been taught. e. Those who listen to the old theory that it is hard to understand and who give up in defeat before they try to master its sacred contents. f. Those who have been brought up in the wrong school of thought con-
cerning the Bible and wonder if God means what He says (Matthew 16:6-12; Luke 24:25; Mark 16:14). g. Those who are too worldly wise and know more than the Bible ever did know and who through their unbelief and pride discount its contents. h. Those who are unstable and unlearned and wrest the Scriptures to their own destruction (2 Peter 3:16). i. Those who wilfully handle the Word of God deceitfully to cover up their own sins which the Bible condemns (2 Corinthians 4:1-4). j. Those who permit satan to take from their lives the Word and cause them to be blind concerning the truth (Matthew 13:19-23; 2 Corinthians 4:1-4). k. Those who make merchandise of fighting the Word of God (Matthew 15:7-14; 2 Peter 2:1-3). l. Those who refuse to be converted and become as little children (Matthew 18:3; 28:9-15; Isaiah 6:9-10; Acts 28:24-29).

The Bible is not a book that conforms to the tastes, customs, or habits of any one nation or people, or for any one age or period of time. It is a book to which all people in all ages can conform, and yet retain their own peculiar customs and habit that are not sinful and contrary to the will of God.

Man has a fallen nature, referred to as a sin nature. Man is a spirit being who possesses a soul (your mind, will, emotions, intellect, and imagination), and the house you live in is your body, what we are able to see of each other. Our Creator gave man a free will and intellect.
Man is allowed to choose whether or not he wants to get to know his
Creator. In order to have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, one must know Who Jesus Christ Is and why He came, and then invite the Lord Jesus Christ into one's heart/spirit and get to know Him through His Word. First Peter 1:23, Being born again of incorruptible seed, by the Word of God that lives and abides forever.
This is a process, God's power is in His Word and one allows Jesus Christ to change one from the inside out with His Word. Which means you have a part to act on. So, then faith comes by hearing and hearing by the Word of God. The thought here is continuous action hearing, you hearing yourself say what God's Word says on a daily basis. Hebrews 11:1, 3, 6: Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen, through faith, we understand that the worlds were framed by the Word of God, so that things which are seen, were not made by things which appear. But without faith, it is impossible to please God, for he who comes to God, must believe that God is and that God is a rewarder of them who diligently seek Him. He wants to know you, don't you hear Him calling? You may choose to stay, but don't walk away, for Jesus cannot be denied.
God's Word is seed, water, and light. What does a farmer do with his seed? He plants it into the soil of the earth. To have a relationship with the Lord Jesus Christ, plant the seed of His Word into your heart
daily by speaking His Word from the Bible into your spirit man/heart.
Jesus said you would not understand how it worked, for the earth bringeth forth fruit of itself, first the blade, then the ear, then the full cor n in the ear... Genesis 1:11 ...the seed is in itself ...


larry2010   March 30th, 2010 12:58 pm ET

Parents have the responsibility to protect their children at all times, and to discuss with them on any topic, including abuses, rape, etc by the Clergy. If parents will be more involved in their children lives, many of these abuses will not be possible. History shows again and again that the Church is a place where people are emotionally and physically abused, so parents should think twice before sending their children to boarding schools, and do the leg work to find out about the reputation of that place.

On the other hand the Pope should resign and the Authorities should investigate.


Roy Mountford   March 30th, 2010 1:06 pm ET

All large organisations have rotten apples and the catholic church is no different. It is only when the organisation tries to hide and protect the guilty that it becomes rotten itself. The vow of silence imposed on abused children is a clear attempt to pervert the course of justice – a serious crime in most civilised countries. Those guilty both of the sexual offences and the cover up should be punished – until they are the catholic church will remain tainted.


Gerald Jolly   March 30th, 2010 1:22 pm ET

@ Cajazz.

Actually, believe it or not, after my seven year stint in China I have adopted their thoughts on religion.

As you probably know 75% of chinese people are agnostics, and so I have become an agnostic, but I cant tell my 93 year old fervent catholic mother that I am, she would probably die from shock, believe it or not, she still goes to mass everyday at 8:00 A.M.
She claims that it is the reason for her long life (WHO KNOWS)??

Take care.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 30th, 2010 2:10 pm ET

Gerald Jolly

I have no criticism to offer anyone who professes their faith with reverence. It is those who fail to realize that it is fear of the unknown and the a desire to be accepted and cajoled by one another, as we make this once in a lifetime journey, then turn it into what is truly has become......... .political polemics. Too many 'divide and conquer mentalities' abound in the world of religion and too few look to see what is beneficial for those who worship.."a calmer contemplation of life with this universe". No one understand it completely, but there is a definition I use to describe it ..infinity...look up and peer from horizon find or imagine an end..there is your God..no beginning no end. May your mother's journey be a pleasant one. Semper Fi, Gerald


Cajazz76:24:8   March 30th, 2010 2:14 pm ET

March 30th, 2010 2:10 pm ET
Gerald Jolly

I have no criticism to offer anyone who professes their faith with reverence. It is those who fail to realize that it is fear of the unknown and the a desire to be accepted and cajoled by one another, as we make this once in a lifetime journey, then turn it into what is truly has become......... .political polemics. Too many 'divide and conquer mentalities' abound in the world of religion and too few look to see what is beneficial for those who worship.."a calmer contemplation of life within this universe". No one understand it completely, but there is a definition I use to describe it ..infinity...look up and peer from horizon to horizon and find or imagine an end..there is your God..no beginning no end. May your mother's journey be a pleasant one. Semper Fi, Gerald...

.sorry for not editing the first send..this may not be any better


Dodie   March 30th, 2010 3:00 pm ET

have a very high regard for anyone who is willing to stand up to their family's aphorism and challenge difference in light of being safe, following the religion of their family. It takes great internal strength and tenacity to walk an untraveled path!


Deb n Texas   March 30th, 2010 4:25 pm ET

None of this surprises me a bit. I graduated from a Catholic High School and at the time I was there a NUN became pregnant for our Chemistry teacher. I blame the a Pope for not allowing these HUMAN BEINGS to have a life. It is no life being in convents and not experiencing love, intimacy and sex. This is why they (priest and nuns) find other ways to do it. And many priest in the city where I lived had women – one of the women lived two houses down from our house. They need to allow these people husbands and wives. It is really sad for the victims and the villans.


A. Smith, Oregon   March 30th, 2010 5:04 pm ET

Just when you thought the Pope couldn't slink any lower!

In court documents this Tuesday, the Pope's attorneys are filing a defense in their attempt to prevent Pope Ratz from being questioned under oath what he knew about serial pedophile clerics who raped and sodomized hundreds of children in the care of the church.

Pope Ratz's defense team has issued three elements of defense in a ongoing child rape case in Kentucky in Pope Ratz's attempts to avoid being questioned under oath about what he knew and what he did about serial child pedophiles in the Vatican and in parishes around the world.

1) Claiming Pope Ratz is immune from criminal charges as head of state, although that certainly didn't protect Manual Noriega former president of Panama on far lesser crimes.

2) The ridiculous claim that Pope Ratz is not the boss of those serial pedophile clerics and clerics of the church are not employees of the Vatican. This is apparently a clear attempt to dodge monetary settlements against Pope Ratz and the Vatican itself.

3) A claim attempting to dispute that a 1962 Vatican document obtained by a Oregon attorney representing hundreds of children raped in Oregon by Vatican clergy which appears to clearly describe the direct role of the Vatican knowing and moving pedophiles to other unsuspecting parishes where the pedophiles committed multiple new cases of rape, sodomy and sexual abuse on new child victims.

Three men claiming they were abused by priests brought the suit against the Holy See in 2004, accusing Rome of negligence in failing to alert police or the public about priests who molested children in Kentucky.

The preview of the legal defense, provided to the AP by a person familiar with the case, was submitted last month in the U.S. District Court in Louisville. Vatican officials declined to comment.

The case is significant because it's the first among a handful of cases targeting Rome in the United States to reach the stage of determining whether the victims actually have a claim against the Vatican itself.

Previous cases attempting to implicate the Vatican have failed or are pending at more preliminary stages.

In the Kentucky suit, the men argued that U.S. diocesan bishops were employees of the Holy See, and that Rome was therefore responsible for their alleged wrongdoing in failing to report abuse.

They charged that a 1962 Vatican document mandated that bishops not report sex abuse cases to police. The Vatican has argued that there is nothing in the document that precluded bishops from reporting pedophiles to police.


Nancy Veronica, Wake Forest, NC   March 30th, 2010 5:46 pm ET

For the victims, I pray for their healing in heart and mind...to do as our Lord tells us ..."Forgive us our trespasses AS WE FORGIVE THOSE WHO TRESPASS AGAINST US". Love & forgiveness is the only way.

Retribution, public stoning, betrayal, crucifixion, what is new?

I am sorry these terrible things happen and I know God will judge. But I am even sorrier for the good and faithful priests and religious who are always looked upon as suspect. Jesus gave us the greatest gift that we commemorate in this Holy Week. I am grateful to the Catholic Church and to the men and women who dedicated their lives to loving and serving God.

Such hatefulness... and real hurt exist in this post. Resist in Love.


Gerald Jolly   March 30th, 2010 5:50 pm ET

In the final analysis, abusing and molesting children is not the act of a true religious person.

A perverted mind and a lust for abusing children is not only a crime as seen by the law.

But it is a crime against humanism, and those that engage in that type of activity, do not deserve to be considered humans.

The word is "BEASTIALITY" a well coined word that describes the lowness of the beast that behaves in such a manner, or anyone that condones or is a party to such beastly activities.

The Pope knew of it, and by his actions to hide these activities he has made himself just as guilty as the perpetraters that committed these acts.

May everyone of these vile people know the meaning of the term "BURN IN THE EVERLASTING FIRES OF HELL"


Bill   March 30th, 2010 6:09 pm ET

Leave the Pope alone. Let the courts handle it.


Theresa   March 30th, 2010 6:30 pm ET

@Wayne from New Brunswick.....from your posting I'm assuming you were fortunate enough to never be a victim. You don't realize how important a priest was in a community. Years ago noone would have believed the child if he/she made allegations against the priest. For goodness sake...people used to invite priests for dinner, allowing the priest to tuck the child into bed. You remind me of men years ago who used to blame the rape victim because her wardrobe was too provocative Women years ago were never allowed to refuse sexual advances from their husbands ...if they did they weren't performing their wifely duty!!! Thank goodness I didn't marry a man like you!!!! You would always blame the victim. I'm sure some of those Christian priests threatened to harm the victim or his/her family if the victim told.. Too many times a rape has nothing to do with sex..it's all asbout power. So, Wayne from New brunswick...maybe you should educate yourself before your almighty attitude gets the best of you!!!!.


Bridget Mary Meehan   March 30th, 2010 6:38 pm ET

Catholic Church needs to
denounce global sex abuse
scandal
Bridget Mary Meehan – Guest Opinion • March 30, 2010

“Cry out as if you had a million voices, it is silence
that kills the world,” said St. Catherine of Siena, a
courageous reformer who lived from 1347-1380, at
a time of grave scandal when three men, each
claiming to be the pope, shook the church to its
foundation.
Pope Benedict's handling of the sex abuse crisis has rocked the Catholic Church, gutting its credibility and raising many questions.
How can secret Vatican trials procure justice if neither victim nor accused are present? Why did Pope Benedict place cases of sexual abuse under "pontifical secrecy"? How come the Vatican did not punish bishops who kept serial rapists of children in ministry? No automatic excommunication for pedophile priests or bishops, but Roman Catholic Womenpriests are excommunicated as soon as we step up to serve God's people. in renewed, inclusive communities.


A. Smith, Oregon   March 30th, 2010 6:51 pm ET

Aiding and abiding a serial child sex offender to shield them from the police, US Courts and MOVE them to another location where the serial child sex offender went on to rape, sodomize and sexually abuse hundreds of more innocent unsuspecting child victims would normally be a LIFE IN PRISON offense.

Pope Ratz is not above the laws in America, UK, Europe nor anywhere else that he appears to have shielded clerics that have been later found by US, UK and European Courts to have been serial pediphiles, and moved those horrific criminals to new parishes upon unsuspecting children who were themselves RAPED and SODOMIZED!

Pope Ratz should resign.

The Vatican should be sued back to the Dark Ages.

Courts around the world should hold Pope Ratz and the Vatican responsible for their actions in aiding and abiding these serial criminals whose aid and support DIRECTLY led to the continued RAPE and SODOMY of new child victims in care of the church.


Joe G. (Illinois)   March 30th, 2010 6:53 pm ET

If only all people who want to go to heaven
(Including the Pope and all other Roman Catholics) asked themselves:

“Why do I want to go to heaven?”
And then answered themselves “Honestly” for personal reflection..

But then again.. Why do you want to go to Heaven?
And until we reach the time of the Second Coming
Salvation is for the asking.


Crissy   March 30th, 2010 9:17 pm ET

I had made a comment earlier this week on cnn pope article and would like to repeat it here again. I am of First Nation(native american) culture – I would just like to say again – the Catholic and other Churches have sexually and physically and culturally abused our children in the residential schools that were run by the government. And this has been going on for decades! Native people have been speaking up the last decade or so and the government has admitted their involvement with the churches and has offered money for compensation. What a laugh – like money is going to heal the irreparable damage done to the indiiduals. Some have even committed suicide because of the sexual abuse. the Churches need to be HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THSE ACTIONS like any other person.


Andie   March 30th, 2010 9:25 pm ET

I agree. The pope should resign and the Vatican doors should close forever.


Darlene   March 30th, 2010 9:30 pm ET

How can catholics allow this to go on. I was catholic and left the church. If you want it to stop do not support a church that would allow this to happen. These priests are criminals.


Mike   March 30th, 2010 9:41 pm ET

What about all the nuns in catholic schools that pysically abused the children. Lesbians hiding behind the cloth I say. They need to ask for forgiveness for laying hands on the children as well.


Andie   March 30th, 2010 9:41 pm ET

I wonder how much the Vatican is paying Donohue to try to cover up their corruption. I don't know how this man can sleep at night. This cult/church is going to fall. It is only a matter of time.


Theresa Louise   March 30th, 2010 9:44 pm ET

Yes, as a born and raised Catholic, I feel the Pope should
take a stand and take action against the atrocities of priests against the young and innocent.
The pope should not be ashamed to take a stance as this is what God has taught Catholics in the past. Stand up for righteousness.

The Catholic Church will crumble if truth and justice do not prevail over the evil of pedophilia.


Pasco   March 30th, 2010 9:44 pm ET

POPE FICTION!

Your guess – Donahue is a very disrespectful man.
His loud talk does scare anyone.

You stand up for a church that has abused children for decades.


Mike   March 30th, 2010 9:44 pm ET

Catholics burned people during the inquisition if they didn't convert. It's time for a reversal of roles and society should have their own inquisition. And I grew up Catholic until I was old enough to make my own choice as a teenager. I read the story of Martin Luthor.


Vernon   March 30th, 2010 9:52 pm ET

I cannot believe what I saw and heard Bill Donahue!! Like Pasco said – he is a very disrespectful man. I want to say that it was good to see Gary Smith as I attend the same school with him and I personally was one of the 200 Deaf boys too. I thank Gary and Authur for their courage to speak (sign) out on this abuse scandal.


LT   March 30th, 2010 9:56 pm ET

In 1969-1970 there was a pedophile priest in Wichita, KS.
Father Larsen. What did they do?
Sent him away to Resurection parish in Wichita, then to NewtonKS.

It's obvious the Catholic church is all talk and no action.
The Catholic teachings teach not to decieve etc. but the Catholic Church is the epitomy of evil in their deception and silence.
It's up to the honest and holy to expose the evil in the Catholic Church.
There is Good in the Catholic Church. Not al l priests are bad, but the predaors give the entire Church a bad name.
Where is GOD now?


luckybee   March 30th, 2010 11:05 pm ET

Where God is ? dear LT ? He has left the Katholiek church for a very long time; You can not find God in the Katholiek church; if it happened that you are looking for him.


A. Smith, Oregon   March 30th, 2010 11:41 pm ET

Catholics look to Pope Ratz as the apostolic succession of Jesus Christ. They bow to Pope Ratz, kiss his hands, kiss his huge golden elaborate rings and pray to him as God in the flesh.

Pope Ratz ordered his Church Parishes in America to file Bankruptcy rather than Pay the US COURT ORDERED monetary settlements to the thousands of children the Vatican clergy raped and sodomized.

Does that sound like a decent man, much less anyone with ethical and moralistic standards YOU admire?

The order to bypass US Court ordered monetary settlements is a cold hearted and utterly disgusting signal that Pope Ratz does not care one iota about the thousands of sexually abused children and he cares completely about the Vatican's wealth and plunder.

I can think of NO WORSE example of a religious leader.

Pope Ratz is a utterly disgusting religious father-head who has not even a grain of the spirit of Jesus Christ running in his body.

Pope Ratz should RESIGN

The Vatican should be sued back to the Dark Ages and shunned by the civilized world.


Pastor Le   March 30th, 2010 11:50 pm ET

@ Afi N Binta

Scripture has been left to mankind's interpretation and can be misconstrued to permit or ban anything. "Organized Religion" has taken the original King James Version and has created hundreds of versions of the Bible adding words and changing meanings to suit their personal purposes. Many groups of people have fallen victims to this. Example: The word "Homosexual" is not in the original King James version but has been put in many revised versions...the outcome: violence/murder against gays and lesbians all in the Name of Christ because it has been deemed a sin. Scripture dictates that "God is Love" therefore we who follow in His footsteps should do so in Love. We all fall short of the Glory of God. This "Vatican" situation is not isolated to the Catholic Church but to all "Organized Religion" which surprisingly enough Jesus spoke against such "Organized Religion" and they crucified Him as a Blasphemer!

@ Cajazz
Your comment concerning which you didn't know was worse the Republican Party or the Papal States of a theocracy. Basically they are quite similar. Many Republicans are so because of Religious Beliefs thus making them conservative. They make political stands based on their Religious Beliefs often to the disregard of those who have different Beliefs. Interesting enough just as the Vatican has such deep rooted political pulls so does the Protestant Churches in the support of Republican views and Millions of Dollars cross hands from the churches to support Political Officials as well as the "Prophetic" words and supportive teachings of Leaders of Organized Religion. The Constitution defines there to be separation of church and state but it has not happened so people are truly not permitted to be "Free" to practice their own faith and beliefs in this country. Example: A man and a woman can marry (a religious ceremony recognized at a Federal and State Level) and reap the rewards of tax breaks and deductions BUT a "Same Sex Couple" are not permitted by Federal Law to be married (they can have the ceremony, though) and is not recognized as a Unionized Couple by Federal Law to receive those same tax breaks and deductions ending in them paying higher taxes. Why? Because "Organized Religion" dictates politics whether it is Catholicism or Protestant.

To all: We should not permit "Organized Religion" to dictate to us their personal principles or allow them to break the laws of the land. They are as accountable to the Laws of the Land as we are individually. We too easily put trust in "The Church" and "Organized Religion" believing that they are "Good".
That being said those who have been involved in this sexual abuse cover up should be prosecuted to the full extent of the Laws of Our Government even if it includes the highest religious leaders as with the Pope. Further, no government law should be based on the faith of "Organized Religion" but should be based on Freedom and Justice for ALL!

Added note: The guest, Donahue (I hope I got his name right), demonstrated a great deal of anger. Did he have to yell? Does anyone else question his degree as a "Social Scientist"? It's a proven statistic that almost all Pedophiles are not homosexual and isn't even based on homosexuality. In my experience as a Pastoral Counselor I have seen that Childhood sexual abuse destroys lives and impacts the rest of the person's life as it is a continual journey to achieve emotional wholeness. And although I am an Ordained Pastor I do not condone or pastor any type of "Organized Religion". I believe people have the right to worship according to their individuality as each of us has their own unique and personal relationship with God.


marie   March 31st, 2010 1:17 am ET

The Pope should resign, he knows what is going on even today. Lets the priest Merry then most of that problem will not take place. unnatural not to merry if they wish to do so. what makes you a better priest because you do not have a partner.


Faith   March 31st, 2010 1:42 am ET

I just watched the show on the abuse in the Catholic Church. The spokesman for the church sounds like a hypocritical, unfeeling, off the wall creature. He cares more about the cover up and protection of the "men" of the church than for the victims of terrible abuse.

He made an idiotic statement that the abuse of 12 and 13 yr old boys by priest is a homosexual problem, not a pedophile problem. If a woman is raped by a man is it a heterosexual problem??? It is not the person's sexual persuasion that is the problem – it is the RAPE and the MOLESTATION.

Trying to equate people who love each other and have consensual sexual relations with one another, be it hetero or homosexual, with the RAPE of anyone is INSANE. It is not a crime to be a sexual being, it is a crime to force yourself sexually on ANYONE. And evidently the celibacy requirement attracts people who want to have sex criminally..instead of a normal consensual relationship.

Cardinal Law of Boston, like so many other of the clergy, spent years sending criminals from one church to another and for that he got a great gig in Rome from the Pope...Cardinal Law was close to being arrested and he resigned...next thing you know he is living a palace life. What kind of value system is that? Where is the sanctity of life in that? So much hypocrisy and so much pomp and circumstance....where is the substance that people can believe in?

It is in our own hearts and minds...don't count on this corrupt organization to lead you to what is right and moral....they are corrupt from the top down. Anyone with any shred of decency knows that the church has done horrible things to children for generations and has never been truly held accountable. Shameful, disgusting and very sad.


comfort   March 31st, 2010 3:08 am ET

Pastor Le,

Jesus did not preach against "organized religion" he preached against the sadducees and pharisees who claimed to know the Law of Moses but they were putting the children of israel in bondage.

Jesus talked about Sodom and Gomorrah so many times in the New Testament, you are fooling yourself Pastor Le . Yes, the word "Homosexual" is not found in the Bible itself but the meaning of the word as we use it in todays language is the same terminology as it was used in Lots time. When the Angels were warning Lot to go out of the city the men of that city came to Lot's house and said specifically in Genisis 19:5 And they called unto Lot and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us that we may know them. That term know them is have sex. Pastor Le that same term is used with adam and eve, Genesis 4:1 And Adam knew Eve his wife; and she conceived, and bare Cain, and said, I have gotten a man from the LORD. Pastor Le you are lying to your self or the devil is making you believe a lie, you need prayer. Genesis 4: 17 And Cain knew his wife, and she conceived and bare Enoch. Pastor Le, what Bible are you reading? Genesis 4: 25 And Adam knew his wife again; and she bare a son, and called his name Seth.

Pastor Le that term "to know or knew" is the type of language they used for are english today as "sex". Something that God created for a man and woman. The bible is specific about everything and God knows everything. God is specific about everything and he would say whats right and what is wrong. He knows people like yourself would need a lot of examples to get it through your head that he is talking about homosexuals, the terminology that we would call today in our present language and what was used way back then in the Bible.

Need more clearer explaining? Leviticus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. That means a man should not lie with another man as he does with a woman because that is an Abomination to God. That is Homosexuality, Gay! Leviticus 18:23 Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. Pastor Le, that is called Beastiality, both that and Homosexuals are prevalent today. God knows that would be still here during our present time too. Don't be foolish Pastor Le, the Bible is Timeless. God knows what is still going to be in our day, because people are evil and their deeds evil and they love darkeness rather than light- John 3:16-21

Need more explaining, Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind as he lieth with a woman, both of them have commited an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Pastor Le, could God really be saying in this verse that if a man lie (have sex) with a woman they have committed an abomination? Surley you are not so that dumb? That verse speaks about a man sleeping with another man as he would a woman.

In our 10 commandments honor thy father and thy mother. Parents are a mother and father. God was very clear and specific. It was not honor thy father and thy father or thy mother and thy mother. You think God is stupid surely you do not Pastor Le because he will just laugh right in your face!!! And throw you in Hell with the rest of the Homosexuals if they do not repent and stop living that lifestyle and stop letting the Devil, Satan tell them foolish lies that its ok to live that lifestyle and they will got to Heaven because they won't that is what my Bible states. God is Love but he is HOLY and JUST and What he said in the Begining was an Abomination will always be an Abomination to Him. That Homosexual, Gay, Transgendered lifestyle is confusion and it will not be going on in Heaven. Satan is the Author of Confusion my bible teaches me!! Just becasue the FAther revealed to us in Human Flesh form as Jesus from Heaven does not mean the Law is done away with. Christ is the Fulfilment of the Law the Bible preaches in Romans and Galations. The God of the Old Testatment is the same God of the New Testament!! Some people think that Jesus is all nice and loving and not like the old testament. Jesus is loving and nice but He Will Judge when he comes back!

Furthermore in Romans 1:26-28 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the Natural use into that which is against nature: and likewise also the men, leaving the Natural use of woman, burned in their lust one toward another, men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient.
Pastor Le, read the entire first chapter of Romans.

Pator Le read as well 1 Corinthians 6-11 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, or idolators, or adulterers, nor effeminate (these are the homosexuals Pastor Le), nor abusers of themselves with mankind, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you: but ye are washed, but ye are sanctified, but ye are justified in the name of the Lord Jesus, and by the Spirit of our God.

Pastor Le that last verse, number 11 is very important. Those words "And such were some of you". The Apostle Paul was writing to the Corinthians, he was telling them, reminding them that they used to do these things, they used to commit these acts but not anymore. When the God's spirit comes to live inside you like the bible teaches once you become born again, saved, believe and accept Jesus Christ as your savor you think you are going to stay the same way you once were?? How can an clean Holy Spirit and the reading of the Bible written by the HOly spirit cannot give you a new mind, a new way of thinking, Christ mind you will now have, God's way of thinking you will now have. Do you think you are still going to be a Gay man? Lesbian Woman. That Holy Spirit will convict you day and night that you have to stop doing what you are doing because God says those acts are not right and I did not create you to commit those acts. If God will let you stay the same Gay and all, stealer and all, murder and all, what would be the point of Him, Heaven, his House, right or wrong? Pastor Le you need to ask Jesus to show you what is right becasue your thinking is not right or biblically based at all!

Pastor Le, Jesus does not say anything about organized religion. Give me a bible verse, tell me what you are talking about. Jesus is organized, the opposite of organzied is dis-order and confusion. there is a lot of that going around today. The religious leaders of Jesus's time was not caring for the people. When Jesus was healing and doing the miracles instead of rejoicing they wanted to kill him. The religious leaders did not like the attention Jesus was getting and Jesus kept talking about a kingdom and the religious leaders of at that time were very rich men and had status. That's why Jesus overthrough the tables in the temple. The Catholic Church was making merchandise in Gods' house with the evil doctrine they cooked up as "purgatory". The Pope, Bishops and Priest do not want to give up their "status" or wealth. Give money to the Priests so they can pray your loved one out of purgatory. Jesus preached of two places, Heaven or Hell and there is no in between. The Catholic Doctrines are false doctrines.


Kathryn   March 31st, 2010 8:16 am ET

@Repost
@Laidy Va
The tea party is making a joke of this country.

I'M HERE TO PUT EVERY ONE ON NOTICE WHAT TALK IS ON THE STREET. SAY WHAT YOU WANT TO SAY, POINT FINGERS WHERE Y0U WANT, BUT TEA PARTIES KNOW IF ANYONE AS MUCH AS RUMPLES A HAIR ON OUR PRESIDENTS HEAD, AMERICA WILL NOT BE RECOGNIZABLE UNTIL CHRIST COMES BACK.

ALL THIS TALK ABOUT LOAD UP AND VIOLENCE JUST WHO IS THAT TARGETED TO?

BLACKS?

THE PRESIDENT?

POOR PEOPLE?

BLACK PEOPLE BUILT THE WHITE HOUSE AND I'VE ALREADY HEARD PEOPLE SAY IF THEY TOUCH OUR PRESIDENT THAT HOUSE WILL BE TAKEN DOWN BRICK BY BRICK.

THIS HATE TALKIING CAN AND DOES GO BOTH WAYS. SO I THINK THE MEDIA NEEDS TO STOP GIVING THESE PEOPLE A PLATFORM. HATE BREEDS HATE. WHAT A JOKE WE ARE TO THE REST OF THE WORLD.

OBAMA WON THE ELECTION FAIR AND SQUARE.

I must add my 2 bits but as much as many continue to deny it, republicans refuse to work with the president becaus ethey hate the fact that he is black and wants him to fail. That way, they hope it will guarantee that anothe rblack man never become president because Obama would have left a bad taste int eh mouth of Americans. It is a plot and nothing more.

Refusing to accept the president is refusal to accept black people.


Theresa   March 31st, 2010 8:37 am ET

I for one do not think the priests who would like to marry into a heterosexual marriage are the pedopliles who have victimized all those ypoung children. Mr. Donahue who was on the show last evening needs some educating because if he thinks a youth 14 or 15 yr. old is in a homosexual relationship with a priest ..that man needs HELP!!! I'm sure some of the priests think exactly like him...they wouldn't admit they were performing pedophilia acts. I'm so sorry all those victims were treated the way they were. The emotional roller coaster they must have & some probably still are going thro'.How these people (the priests) who were there to guide, teach,& mentor these children...& instead this is what they did. They all should have been excommunicated , have their fair trial, & then be sent to prison. Instead a blind eye was turned, relocation was the choice of the day. How any of these priests ...men of the cloth....were & are able to look themselves in the mirror & have a relationship with God is amazing. All of the hierarchy that allowed this should also be in prison. I do believe the present day pope was amongst this group. My mother years ago quit the Catholic church...she refused to call anyone other than her biological father ,,father, refused to kiss the ring of a pope. She also said she refused to follow a religion where man (the Catholic hierarchy) made the rules & did not follow God's rules.


Pastor Le   April 1st, 2010 12:15 am ET

Comfort,

WOW! My comments were not specific to homosexuality but you have written an extensive hate letter to a community of people. Re-read my comment with the point focused on the separation of church and state and how religion has dictated the laws of our Country through political ties.

You have clearly demonstrated one of the points that I was making in my comment. How sad! It seems that you might relate well with Mr. Donahue. My comments were not posed to initiate a debate but to be thought provoking.

I would suggest studying Greek and Hebrew and that instead of looking at "word for word" interpretation of the scripture (the Word could be interpreted in any fashion to satisfy the means of the reader) that you would actually study what was happening during the times the scriptures were written as in Sodom and Gomorrah...the issue was not homosexuality but the fact that they (scripture says ALL the people came to Lot's door including women) refused to "Worship" God and were filled with lust to worship created things (and angels are not to be worshiped) rather than the Creator (also stated in Romans). In the New Testament (Mark 12:25) Jesus was stating that angels are not created like us meaning with male or female genitalia". In addition, read the scriptures that proceed the event that speak of the lasciviousness of ALL the city people even prior to the angels' arrival.

Further, your interpretation of Leviticus is what you want it to read as it clearly shows without bias that it is an abomination to lie with BOTH a woman and a man. A person in how he/she is created should be true to themselves and not be filled with lust to lie with both. Also, prior to Paul (when he was Saul) having his transformation he was a leader in a religious order where it was required to be married to be in such a leadership position so he would have had to have been married during the time he was Saul. Some Theologians believe that his wife divorced him after his Transformation because he had basically turned on that particular religious order and was deemed a heretic.

"Organized Religion" is a term used for a group where there is a leadership (person or group of people) dictating their rules, regulations, and interpretations of scripture and faith over another group of people who are expected to follow. "Be Led by the Spirit". The Early Church were the Apostles who were sent out to preach the "Good News" of Salvation not judgement and condemnation. Look at how many wars we have today that are based in religion.

You seem to be convinced that you have all the answers regarding this issue and wish to conduct yourself in a condescending manner. How many people would you win to the Kingdom with your words? If you have not Love you are but a Sounding Cymbal. Your comments seem destructive and mannerism hateful...but yet God Is Love so where does this place you? Bitter water and sweet water do not flow from the same spring as in the parable concerning the words that come from the mouth.

In the future please keep to the point in hand and keep from digressing into a "Bible Thumping" that perpetuates people from believing they can't enter The Kingdom of Heaven. Remember We are ALL sinners in need of a Savior and Righteousness comes from Christ's Blood, and cannot be earned. For All have fallen short of the Glory of God. May the Mercy and Grace of God rest upon you with Love and fill you with His Peace.


Alouch   June 26th, 2010 10:45 pm ET

These are the type of sick allegations that lead me to believe that perhaps an alternate religion like Islam, or Budhism is a better path to follow. The Catholic church is unraveling because their principles are flawed. Priests are men and have hormones like any other men. They need to be allowed to have relations with women, or their hormones need to be moderated so that they do not have sexual urges.


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