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March 25, 2010

Vatican says it was unaware of alleged American priest abuse

Posted: 10:00 PM ET

Rome, Italy (CNN) - The Vatican said it didn't learn of an American priest accused of molesting up to 200 boys until 20 years after civil authorities investigated - then dropped - the case.

Vatican spokesman Father Federico Lombardi issued the statement Wednesday in response to a New York Times story alleging that top Vatican officials, including the future Pope Benedict XVI, failed to discipline or defrock the now-deceased Rev. Lawrence C. Murphy of Wisconsin, despite warnings from several American bishops.

"During the mid-1970s, some of Father Murphy's victims reported his abuse to civil authorities, who investigated him at that time," Lombardi said. "However, according to news reports, that investigation was dropped."

The Vatican's Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the office led by Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who would later become pope, "was not informed of the matter until some 20 years later," Lombardi said. The office is in charge of deciding whether accused priests should be given canonical trials and defrocked.

The New York Times story, published Wednesday, cites documents it obtained from attorneys for five men who have brought four lawsuits against the Archdiocese of Milwaukee, Wisconsin. The documents include letters between bishops and the Vatican, victims' affidavits, the handwritten notes of an expert on sexual disorders who interviewed Murphy and minutes of a final Vatican meeting on the case.

Murphy began as a teacher for St. John's School for the Deaf in St. Francis, Wisconsin, in 1950, the newspaper said. He was promoted to run the school in 1963 even though students had warned church officials of molestation. Many of Murphy's victims were hearing-impaired, according to the Times.

Ratzinger failed to respond to two letters about the case in 1996 from Milwaukee's then-archbishop, Rembert G. Weakland. After eight months, Cardinal Tarcisio Bertone, who at the time was second-in-command of the doctrinal office and now is the Vatican's secretary of state, told Wisconsin bishops to begin a secret canonical trial, according to the Times.

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Joie Lake   March 25th, 2010 10:13 pm ET

I have never been able to balance what they teach and what they demonstrate. I am appalled!


Cajazz76:24:8   March 25th, 2010 10:48 pm ET

It is alleged that Lawrence Murphy did appeal to then Cardinal Ratzinger, then Cardinal of Munich, Germany asking for dispensation from being booted from the priesthood. Lawrence Murphy, still a priest, died later that year.

Seems a bit of absolution is in dire demand, or should be, at the core of the Vatican hierarchy.

Say ten 'I don't give a damn's' and ten 'things will never change' and just continue your own ongoing brand of heresy the world know you for, as your faithful leave your papal realm in record numbers.


Theresa   March 25th, 2010 10:53 pm ET

The Catholic Church should be ashamed of themselves. So many emotionall,mentally injured victims ...all the while the top echelon ..from pope down the ladder .turned a blind eye & swept it all under the carpet until they were caught. I'm sure there are some priests who do an excellent job ...but for some reason \i think they're few & far between!!


A. Smith, Oregon   March 25th, 2010 11:03 pm ET

Pope Ratz's brother Georg Ratzinger is smack in the middle of multiple child rape cases during the time he headed the German parishes choir.

Pope Ratz placed a Cardinal from Portland, OR. into his former job overseas in the Vatican, who was previously accused of a cover up in ongoing child rape cases here in Oregon.

Pope Ratz appears to be present in the cover up and movement of serial pedophiles within the Vatican and outlining parishes.

Pope Ratz appears to have instructed Cardinals to move clergy accused of being pedophiles to other non-suspecting parishes where they repeated their preditation on new children.

Pope Ratz appears to have instructed Parishes to declare bankruptcy rather than pay the Court ordered monetary settlements to children found to have been raped and sexually abused by Catholic clergy.

Pope Ratz appears to have sent delegates to former Secretary of State Condie Rice requesting that she speak to then former President Bush to block existing Court orders seeking to include the Vatican in its monetary settlement claims.

(After meeting with Condie Rice, President Bush appears to have instructed the US Justice Dept. to block US Courts from seeking monetary damages from the Vatican!).

Pope Ratz has lost all creditability to be the leader of a religious organization, I can't think of a worse example for a figurehead.

Pope Ratz should resign.


luckybee   March 25th, 2010 11:54 pm ET

As long as the Roman Katholiek chuch don"t follow the teaching of Jezus Christ; god wil turn the Roman Katholiek church his back;and all the followers of this church wil suffer a lot of missery what ever good deeds they tried to doe.Than satan have you in his clutsches, and there is no escaping from it ,except if you return to the will of God.


A. Smith, Oregon   March 26th, 2010 12:15 am ET

The recent public revelations that Pope Ratz halted the investigation of a Wisconsin priest accused of raping and sexually molesting some 200 deaf boys have eerie echoes in Italy, where 67 deaf men and women accused TWO DOZEN PRIESTS of raping, sodomizing and sexually molesting children for years.

The two cases are the latest in a ever expanding sex abuse scandal on both sides of the Atlantic that now threatens Pope Ratz himself. The office charged with disciplining clergy was long led by you guessed it, Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger, who is now Pope Benedict XVI, and a church prosecution in the Wisconsin case was stopped after an appeal to Ratzinger.

Yep, Pope Ratz previously as Cardinal Ratz STOPPED a ongoing church prosecution in the Wisconsin case of a Priest raping, sodomizing and sexually molesting 200 deaf children.

Given the wealth of evidence that Pope Ratz totally knew what was going on for several decades, that Pope Ratz actually protected the clergy pedophiles, that Pope Ratz actually helped move the clergy pedophiles to other unsuspecting parishes where the clergy pedophiles struck again and raped and sodomized more children, POPE RATZ STATING HE WAS UNAWARE IN THIS POST REAGAN ERA, JUST DOESN'T CUT IT!!!


jack   March 26th, 2010 1:09 am ET

Ha , good one. Like the old saying goes "you can't be a piano player in a cat house and not know what is going on upstairs"


Ted   March 26th, 2010 8:41 am ET

@ A. Smith

You are absolutly correct and you do not stop amazing me how you get all that information so fast!
I would not be surprised if Pope Ratz did a few close ups on young boys in his earlier years.


Eddie   March 26th, 2010 9:52 am ET

Its all just so disgusting!! Its about time some light is shown on this subject. People have whispered about this throughout the history of the church. I don't care if its CATHOLIC or what!! There is abuse in every church! If you harm a child even if you call yourself the pope, the father, the priest its wrong!!! The POPE talked down on Ireland's abuse knowing that its the top of the news for weeks in Austria, & Germany!! Its everywhere! He's German and only pointed the finger at Ireland?
You can take the BIBLE and make it read anyway you want....Thats why there are so many mixed up people using it to condemn and isolate. GOD is nothing about hate & discrimination. GOD is the only one who can judge you. Yet people put their lives in the hands of QUACKS who say they're teaching GOD'S WORDS!! This is old....nothing new! LOOK FOR GOD WITHIN YOURSELF FIRST! THEN YOU CAN RECOGNIZE FACT FROM FICTION!
Saying that makes me also recognize....if someone is down right crazy....They think they're right.....they need help!


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 12:16 pm ET

The American Catholics and Catholics throughout the world have in their hands the ability to stop the continued sexual abuse by those they worship as deity...your almighty dollars/currencies.

Demand the Catholic Church eliminates the policy that encourages this behavior..'the don't marry..be celibate vows' the church imposed hundreds of years ago to prevent clergy from willing to their heirs, what the church deemed, their property.

It's always about the money and every one who attends Sunday Mass knows that. You can worship your God or, whatever you deem necessary, any way you wish, but you are being duped. Not everyone can discern the fact that 'religion' is nothing more than politics in sheeps clothing, impaling your minds with false beliefs under the threat of an invented HELL.

When the doctrine of papal infallibility was instituted your 'mortal souls', at risk of eternal damnation, prevented thousands in the U.S. Catholics, and for centuries hundreds of thousands, from revealing the truths the church had denied.

From 1950-2002, no less than, 4% of all Catholic priests in the U.S. were revealed to have molested hundreds, if not thousands, of children. YOU paid to shut the mouths of many of then.

Even the most timid of all God's would have struck those down who violated the sanctity of innocents. That is, unless you put the church above them, and they certainly are those who have.

When you think you believe in separation of church and state, look to the Congress of these United States and view the behavior of the likes of one, there are many but this one is my favorite, JOHN BOEHNER..MAKING DEATH THREATS ON BEHALF OF YOUR CATHOLIC CHURCH AGAINST A FELLOW CONSTITUENT...how tri-partisan of him..his party..his church..and the other guys..how ridiculous!!!!!!!!


Hugh in California   March 26th, 2010 1:26 pm ET

It's been obvious "forever" that many homosexuals become priests, but not unlike heterosexuals, pedophiles still molest children irregardless of their sexual orientation. Given this fact,it is still a legitimate reason to do away with celibacy!

Priests should be allowed to marry; although, if they choose not to, I'd start to wonder why they don't? Those who confess to molesting a child to their superiors should not only be defrocked, but excommunicated! For Heaven Sakes, the church does it if a Catholic remarries after a divorce.

I don't see any "Heavenly Guidance" be received in the Vatican, by the Pope or anyone else. The Roman Catholic Church has been living in the Dark Ages for a Millenium!


mcmargie   March 26th, 2010 1:42 pm ET

Molestation is not excusive to the Catholic Church. Molesters come in all forms; they may be priest, ministers, rabbi's, teachers, therapists, physicians, strangers and even family members.

It does not matter what their title is, do not elevate your expectations on them because of their line of work because the bottom line is that they are all human beings that failed. It's hard to forgive these kinds of people but you have to because that is what Jesus preached...forgiveness.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 1:54 pm ET

@Hugh

To be more precise...two milleniums..


mcmargie   March 26th, 2010 2:00 pm ET

Hugh in California,

Your anger is showing your stupidity. There is no fact that that many homosexuals become priests.

There are many great, wonderful priests that are not homosexual, celibate and are not child molesters.

The ratio of priests being child molesters within the Catholic Church is equal to the ratio in your community or state or country. Example, if 1% of the population are child molesters…there is 1% of priests in the Catholic Church that are child molesters. The Catholic Church has had some issues in this area but priests are not all homosexual nor join the church because they are homosexual nor are they all child molesters…again, the ratio for child molesters within the Catholic Church is equal to what goes on in society.

Further more, child molestation and celibacy have nothing to do with each other.

Child molestation has to do with control and abuse.

Even if these men’s genitals were cut-off (which some people think is the answer)…these molesters would still find other means to molest children.

I suggest doing some research.


Hugh in California   March 26th, 2010 2:05 pm ET

@mcmargie,

Forgiveness is one thing, but allowing a priest to continue "in the faith" after molesting a child is something else. I can forgive, but I would never allow them to be alone with children again. Of course, we who believe should forgive as God does, but do we just allow them access to molest more kids - I don't think so!

If the Catholic Church truly believed in forgiveness they would allow divorced Catholics to remarry in the Church. When one partner divorces the other, why must the other one stay alone for the rest of their lives unless the divorcing party dies? It's totally absurd!


Hugh in California   March 26th, 2010 2:16 pm ET

@mcmargie,
No, "Your anger shows your stupidity."

I never implied that child molestation was exclusive to the Catholic Church, and I've probably done more research on the subject than you have. How do you conclude that the ratio of priests who are child molesters is equal to the ratio of any other child molesters in any given community? I would question any statistics or studies done by the Catholic Church, which would be subject to their own bias.

Thank you for correcting me on "two milleniums," but I was only using the term as a figure of speech, or haven't you ever heard that term used before?


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 2:42 pm ET

@Hugh

Are you pissed at everybody...? Seems a little bit ironic you snapped at something that supported your opinions...take it easy tiger...


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 2:50 pm ET

mc margie

The ratio of priests being child molesters within the Catholic Church is equal to the ratio in your community or state or country. Example, if 1% of the population are child molesters…there is 1% of priests in the Catholic Church that are child molesters. The Catholic Church has had some issues in this area but priests are not all homosexual nor join the church because they are homosexual nor are they all child molesters…again, the ratio for child molesters within the Catholic Church is equal to what goes on in society.

You're completely making the above statement up..show one shred of evidence to support your ridiculous made up theory.. Your simple math will not even support that. The bigger issue is YOUR Catholic Church supports the cover-ups...and I have the evidence, as does the rest of a civilized world.. Seek true truths to find true answers, not your imagined ill-truths.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 2:59 pm ET

@mc margie

Sure I will take as gospel a Catholic Church sponsored dictatorial..get real..you have been brainwashed and corrupted from birth.

John Boehner is an extension of your core beliefs..and your campaign dues you empty into the coffers every Sunday support him and his views. It's all the same to me..

.Now send me to your hell so I shut up, right?


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 3:05 pm ET

mc margie

what is this..


mcmargie   March 26th, 2010 3:08 pm ET

I hate to break this to you but "cover-up's" even lying to "save face" is nothing new to mankind. So, people lie all the time – what do you expect? – It's unavoidable human nature for numerous reasons such as embarassment or shame. It's a weakness, it's wrong, it's a moral issue, it not even listed as one of the Ten Commandments – "Thou Shalt Not Lie" so kept it all in perspective.


Hugh in California   March 26th, 2010 3:13 pm ET

@Cajazz,
My apologies, I'm not "pissed at everybody," I just scanned and read so fast I thought it was the other person! LOL! My Bad!


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 3:21 pm ET

@Hugh

Your cool..no problem...pachem...latin for peace...

You know Hugh we are only addressing the pedophiles in the Catholic Church and we are neglecting the hebephiles...the ones that molest altar boys and others in the same age group..just a tad more for mc margie to chew on..


steffy   March 26th, 2010 3:23 pm ET

Sadly these abuses have been going on for many,many years.Its about time that some charges are made.Why do they think they are above the law?They should be treated and charged like everybody else.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 3:25 pm ET

@mc margie

THOU SHALL NOT MOLEST CHILDREN OR ANYONE...Is this the possibility of a LOST COMMANDMENT..perhaps conveniently hidden?


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 3:28 pm ET

@mc margie

Your in a lose lose scenario....take your Baby Jesus and your fierce God and put them back above your sun visor...and get a cup of coffee..enjoy this life..the afterlife may be abandoned...


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 3:35 pm ET

Man's first enemy was his fear...his first invention was his God to combat that fear...and look what mankind has done with him since...He visited man in the times of the Old Testament, yet he failed to show when the world lost 50-70 million in response to a despot dictator..Hitler...who had in uniform at the time, one fellow named Ratzinger..whom I believe became POPE.....any deniers to this?


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 3:41 pm ET

"Believe nothing of what you hear and only half of what you read"..Mark Twain..wise words from an individual who also said "man doesn't put sex in his heaven"...silly human race....mc margie...It's fact your bible was corrupted by the selection's allowed into it by none other..a pope...and you want be to believe in that fantasy...get real..


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 3:46 pm ET

@mc margie

Don't let me keep you from feeding the chickens...or milking the cows..


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 3:49 pm ET

mc margie

I don't even believe half of what I write...it's the demons or the angels in my mind...they won't show themselves so I cannot tell who they are...


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 3:51 pm ET

..........mc margie

Something tells me this will end with EI-EI-Ooooooooooooooo


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 4:02 pm ET

@mc margie

Sarah...the pale warlordess of the Rebubbacants Party is speaking now...I hear she is running for Pope...is that where your are..listening to her gospel..


luckybee   March 26th, 2010 4:33 pm ET

In Holland there is a Kardinal Simonis who said:" who is without sin threw the first stone". This is completely ridicule; than raping a child is a sin; making love is not
John 7,53-8,11
A Woman Caught in Sin
1 but Jesus walked out to the Mount of Olives. 2 Then early the next morning he went to the temple. The people came to him, and he sat down
and started teaching them.
3 The Pharisees and the teachers of the Law of Moses brought in a woman who had been caught in bed with a man who wasn't her husband. They made her stand in the middle of the crowd. 4 Then they said, “Teacher, this woman was caught sleeping with a man who isn't her husband.The Law of Moses teaches that a woman like this should be stoned to death! What do you say?”
6 They asked Jesus this question, because they wanted to test him and bring some charge against him. But Jesus simply bent over and started writing on the ground with his finger.
7 They kept on asking Jesus about the woman. Finally, he stood up and said, “If any of you have never sinned, then go ahead and throw the first stone at her!” 8 Once again he bent over and began writing on the ground. 9 The people left one by one, beginning with the oldest. Finally, Jesus and the woman were there alone.
10 Jesus stood up and asked her, “Where is everyone? Isn't there anyone left to accuse you?”
11 “No sir,” the woman answered.
Then Jesus told her, “I am not going to accuse you either. You may go now, but don't sin anymore.”

Jezus don't acuse the woman; because making love is not a sin;she must be afraid of wat peole wil do to her when she did it again, may be Jezus is not around.It is very clear to me if you read the story of the Samaritan women, who has made love with at least 5 men; Jezus let her go to without accusing or warning her, of sin.

John 4,3-42
Jesus and the Samaritan Woman
3 Jesus left Judea and started for Galilee again. 4 This time he had to go through Samaria,
5 4.5 Gn 33.19; Js 24.32.
and on his way he came to the town of Sychar. It was near the field that Jacob had long ago given to his son Joseph. 6-8 The well that Jacob had dug was still there, and Jesus sat down beside it because he was tired from traveling. It was noon, and after Jesus' disciples had gone into town to buy some food, a Samaritan woman came to draw water from the well.
Jesus asked her, “Would you please give me a drink of water?”
9 4.9 Ezra 4.1
“You are a Jew,” she replied, “and I am a Samaritan woman. How can you ask me for a drink of water when Jews and Samaritans won't have anything to do with each other?”
o 4.9 won't have anything to do with each other: Or “won't use the same cups.” The Samaritans lived in the land between Judea and Galilee. They worshiped God differently from the Jews and did not get along with them.
10 Jesus answered, “You don't know what God wants to give you, and you don't know who is asking you for a drink. If you did, you would ask me for the water that gives life.”
11 “Sir,” the woman said, “you don't even have a bucket, and the well is deep. Where are you going to get this life-giving water? 12 Our ancestor Jacob dug this well for us, and his family and animals got water from it. Are you greater than Jacob?”
13 Jesus answered, “Everyone who drinks this water will get thirsty again. 14 But no one who drinks the water I give will ever be thirsty again. The water I give is like a flowing fountain that gives eternal life.”
15 The woman replied, “Sir, please give me a drink of that water! Then I won't get thirsty and have to come to this well again.”
16 Jesus told her, “Go and bring your husband.”
17-18 The woman answered, “I don't have a husband.”
“That's right,” Jesus replied, “you're telling the truth. You don't have a husband. You have already been married five times, and the man you are now living with isn't your husband.”
19 The woman said, “Sir, I can see that you are a prophet. 20 My ancestors worshiped on this mountain,
p 4.20 this mountain: Mount Gerizim, near the city of Shechem.
but you Jews say Jerusalem is the only place to worship.”
21 Jesus said to her:
Believe me, the time is coming when you won't worship the Father either on this mountain or in Jerusalem. 22 You Samaritans don't really know the one you worship. But we Jews do know the God we worship, and by using us, God will save the world. 23 But a time is coming, and it is already here! Even now the true worshipers are being led by the Spirit to worship the Father according to the truth. These are the ones the Father is seeking to worship him. 24 God is Spirit, and those who worship God must be led by the Spirit to worship him according to the truth.
25 The woman said, “I know that the Messiah will come. He is the one we call Christ. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
26 “I am that one,” Jesus told her, “and I am speaking to you now.”
27 The disciples returned about this time and were surprised to find Jesus talking with a woman. But none of them asked him what he wanted or why he was talking with her.
28 The woman left her water jar and ran back into town. She said to the people, 29 “Come and see a man who told me everything I have ever done! Could he be the Messiah?” 30 Everyone in town went out to see Jesus.

Jezus don't warn her not to do it again,like the woman in Judea; may be in Samaria they don't do such crewel punishment like stoning to death?for making love with someone who is not her husban?.


luckybee   March 26th, 2010 4:38 pm ET

dear mr Cajazz76:24:8 Sarah Palin is a presbiterian; she cannot run for a pope.And beside she is a woman, and have children;but she cab run for president of the USA.She will be a legitimate president and not a fake one like Barack Hussein Obama.the Kenyan.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 4:52 pm ET

luckybee

It was a statement made in jest to commentary and banter between myself and a fervent defender of a corrupted system that continues to protect molesters..

Thanks for your consideration though..take care.

You do profess a bit of bias with your contribution that our president is a Kenyan..and a fake.

If you want to view fake postures look to the ones that led this country from the years 2000-2008. How can anyone look to the damage done and think they had an ounce of legitimacy?

I will debate you on that subject, in detail, if you wish..be well prepared in advance to be on the losing end.

.There are 308 million people in this country who are in the same position...on the losing end of a 8 year run on ignorance and futility at the hands of someone who wasn't even close to being capable of leading this country..and the whole world knows that....


Joe G. (Illinois)   March 26th, 2010 5:16 pm ET

Lucifer who later became the devil or satan
knew firsthand the word of God very well..
he also knew it’s meaning very well.

People in the Roman Catholic church promote their higher ups according to their knowledge and understanding of God’s word also.. Problem is.. Well, let’s be honest


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 5:49 pm ET

lucky bee

Be assured this president is educated and language articulate. Your video and audio contribution is misleading, at the very least.

But. let's grant you for a moment your correct and that the president is a Muslim. What is the big deal with that? He has the freedom to worship who ever he desires, doesn't he?

We have the freedom to contest the validity of any religion, of which there are so many. Now I have a slight suspicion you have a favorite that you like. It is highly probable it is not Islam

. Religion is the worlds first form of politics and to this day there are Theocratic governments in existence, Vatican City and Iran, just to name the two more prominent.

Your video is a right-wing piece of propaganda and nothing more. Try again when you strike the mother lode, I will concede..


Hugh in California   March 26th, 2010 6:00 pm ET

@luckybee,

First of all, you aren't supposed to post videos on this blog, which doesn't really bother me, except for the fact that I thought that Christians were obligated to play be the rules of fairness.

Second, Barack Obama never said he was a Muslim, only that he has parents with Muslim roots.

Third, how clever of you or the producer of this video, to cut off the President's words, when he was referring to John McCain speaking of his faith to make it appear he is a Muslim, which he is not. By the way, I don't even care if he is!

Lastly, your blog is propaganda pure and simple! How hypocritical to quote a multitude of scripture earlier, then distort the facts into a lie! It is not religion, or devote Christians who bother me, it is religious fanatics who think they can use whatever devilish schemes at their disposal to promote falsehoods!


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 6:43 pm ET

luckybee

What false gospel was Paul dealing with in Galatians? It was a perversion of the true gospel (Galatians 1:7, "pervert the gospel of Christ"). It was Jesus plus the law, Christ plus circumcision.

What in the seven sides of Sam Hell are you talking about here...you're talking off the hook. You appear to view as two separate individuals Jesus and Christ, then you tossed his winky into the fry...Jesus plus law and Christ plus circumcision..what does that equal a Jewish stir fry?

Help those of us understand what you are saying...you make me itch..in my undies...checking to see if all is well there...dang luckybee say it a bit clearer..


Cajazz76:24:8   March 26th, 2010 6:56 pm ET

Right under Ratzingers' nose when he was Cardinal of Munich 300 young German boys were molested and what did this current pope say? Same thing any other politician would have said..I didn't know it...it was the other guys fault...he knew of it, not me...

Your theocratic base is shrinking and shriveling in the U.S., just like that part of you that your banned from using properly....your conscience.

Next you'll be saying it was your mother who dressed you in that Nazi uniform...a more believable tale than the one your now telling.


Dodie   March 26th, 2010 9:15 pm ET

The psychological effects of being a boy molested by a male especially the messenger of god is like none other. When a boy is molested by a male, not only does the child experience a trauma of magnitude proportions, this experience often sets a persistence within the child in which there is some residual left over affect of sexual identity crisis. The resounding effect. with molest between male on male, there is often touching which can excite the child.

This tears at the very fabric that holds the child's ego and cognitive structure of the world around him. Therefore, this child grows up to be a man and questions his own sexual preference. Some may become gay, some may end up predators... Some may commit suicide. The saddest of all, is the male who becomes married, carries on with life and hidden deep down inside him is the question of his sexual identity. The child experiences bereft of self and ego. The priest has set into motion a lamentation of each child he molests. The child is truly egodystonic in every sense of the word!

Because, Priests have the "word of god" which places them at a level compared to none other this is truly a banality of evil act upon an innocent child. I challenge you to look ever so diligently at the underlying ordeal. Focus closely …. Focus with clarity

Silence, repression, and prevarication are used knowingly to conceal truth from the people. The sexual predation and treacherous acts to children are perpetuated; generation after generation under the "word of god" only ending when society is finally forced to see the horrendous atrocities in such a way there can be.......
No denial...................
No excuses...................
No Justification .................
No rationalization!!!


luckybee   March 26th, 2010 11:44 pm ET

Lady's and Gentlemen;Of course they are some limitations;
This is one of them
1 Corinthians 7,1-16
Questions about Marriage
1 Now I will answer the questions that you asked in your letter. You asked, “Is it best for people not to marry?”
k 7.1 people not to marry: Or “married couples not to have sex.”
2 Well, having your own husband or wife should keep you from doing something immoral. 3 Husbands and wives should be fair with each other about having sex. 4 A wife belongs to her husband instead of to herself, and a husband belongs to his wife instead of to himself. 5 So don't refuse sex to each other, unless you agree not to have sex for a little while, in order to spend time in prayer. Then Satan won't be able to tempt you because of your lack of self-control. 6 In my opinion that is what should be done, though I don't know of anything the Lord said about this matter. 7 I wish that all of you were like me, but God has given different gifts to each of us.
8 Here is my advice for people who have never been married and for widows. You should stay single, just as I am. 9 But if you don't have enough self-control, then go ahead and get married. After all, it is better to marry than to burn with desire.
l 7.9 with desire: Or “in the flames of hell.”
I instruct married couples to stay together, and this is exactly what the Lord himself taught. A wife who leaves her husband 11 should either stay single or go back to her husband. And a husband should not leave his wife.
12 I don't know of anything else the Lord said about marriage. All I can do is to give you my own advice. If your wife isn't a follower of the Lord, but is willing to stay with you, don't divorce her. 13 If your husband isn't a follower, but is willing to stay with you, don't divorce him. 14 Your husband or wife who isn't a follower is made holy by having you as a mate. This also makes your children holy and keeps them from being unclean in God's sight.
15 If your husband or wife isn't a follower of the Lord and decides to divorce you, then you should agree to it. You are no longer bound to that person. After all, God chose you and wants you to live at peace. 16 And besides, how do you know if you will be able to save your husband or wife who isn't a follower?

Strange in our dutch byble they are 40 verses, and not only 16.
You are not supose to ask for money or or pay for it that is also sin.


jack   March 27th, 2010 2:34 am ET

Some one said they should be defrocked. Heck, if they have proof that they have molested innocent kids, they should be exposed for the vile criminals they are, and do some serious jail time. Those who conceal them ,in an attempt to lie to the masses who fork over their money to support these frauds, should be kicked out of the church. I think it is particularly outrageous, that these priests, who were given special access to children, and were charged with helping them , should instead betray them. If this doesn't wake up the most obtuse worshipper to the wickedness that goes on behind closed doors, I don't know what would. Parents, never, under any circumstances leave your children alone with people who have proven they do not deserve your trust. They may look like fine men of the cloth, but they use that often times as a disguise to gain access to the children. I would just walk out , but then I'm not Catholic. I would demand some reforms. Also, I do not think any church making a high income should be given tax exempt status.. If they are practicing politics , in any fashion(including urging members to vote a certain way)they should also lose tax exempt status.


luckybee   March 27th, 2010 9:56 am ET

dear Cajazz76:24:8 Mohammed Atta is also a high educated man ; and still he blow him zelf up with a plane, to gain 72 virgins, in Mohammed's paradice.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 27th, 2010 1:30 pm ET

luckybee

In lieu of major political parties in the Middle East religion, as in the times when the lives and culture were first being documented, was the political venues of the era.

In countries that have monarchies, Saudi Arabia, Atta's country of origin as an example, religion is the political party. All views are expressed through excerpted scripts from the Koran.

When you attach the fear of the unknown to your daily way of life and assign an unseen and feared Supreme Being , you end up with a conflicted, convoluted, and confused society, easily swayed by the opinions and interpretations of what is essentially, a history book made into fantasy. How novel is that?

Why do I say that? Well, the world having fossil evidence of creatures living million's of years ago, has very little evidence from two millenniums past, to fortify most of the information in the Old Testament.

There is evidence of cities and villages long destroyed, but true archeological forensic substance is just not there to support the far fetched claims the so-called 'good books' contain..

I do not think there is much in the way of denial that, Atta and his cohorts, felt compelled by their religion to undertake such a vile and horrendous act of murder and destruction. Would your God send them all to Hell?


Cajazz76:24:8   March 27th, 2010 9:59 pm ET

Jack

To deny Santa Claus at our age could destroy an already ailing economy. Please don't take that way from us at this point in out states of denial..and delusion.. <:)-<


A. Smith, Oregon   March 28th, 2010 4:03 pm ET

What the Vatican does not want you to know:

I find it entirely ironic that it appears that the hands of God is revealing the depth and horrific corruption and criminal cover-up's by the Pope and the Vatican for many decades in regards to sex abuse of children by the clergy. And the Vatican exorcists are blaming this wave of exposure on the 'devil'.

What the Vatican does not want you to know is that to the layperson learning these long lasting sexual abuse horrors, is that Pope Ratz is the least qualified person to ever be placed into a position as a religious figurehead.

HOWEVER, to numerous dark and nefarious branches within the Vatican and outside of the Vatican, Cardinal Ratz's improper actions and corruption were well known. They pressured his fellow Cardinals to vote for Cardinal Ratz to be the next Pope. WHY? Because those dark and nefarious branches in the Vatican and outside of the Vatican could easily coerce and extort Pope Ratz to not block nor disrupt their dark and nefarious activity's. Pope Ratz's prior corruption and improper actions when he repeatedly blocked judicial actions on multiple clergy who were found to be serial pedophiles made him their ideal choice.

Any Papal disclosure of Vatican agency's involvement with Money Laundering, Drug Smuggling or Child Slavery would immediately be met with the disclosure of all of Cardinal Ratz's past misdeeds.

Now that Pope Ratz has been outed, will he publicly reveal the nefarious dark agency's activity's in the Vatican and work to permanently remove them, or is he too filled with further corruption to do what a Pope should have done within the Vatican for decades?


jack   March 28th, 2010 5:38 pm ET

People should simply quit, walk out, and stop supporting this pedophile hiding organizaton. There must be very many members who are simply sick, by now with the corruption, crime , and cover up. It makes me sick ,and I'm not a member. What did the people in high places know, and when did they know it? My guess is they knew plenty, and have known it for a very long time.


jack   March 28th, 2010 5:50 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8...We'll let you hold onto the Santa Claus fantasy a little longer, since you are of tender years. 🙂


luckybee   March 29th, 2010 1:08 am ET

Dear Winny this is what Jezus told the Samaritan Woman:"
17-18 The woman answered, “I don't have a husband.”
“That's right,” Jesus replied, “you're telling the truth. You don't have a husband. You have already been married five times, and the man you are now living with isn't your husband.”

But Jezus didn't condemd her, ergo it is not a sin what she have done.Don't you think so Winny?


luckybee   March 29th, 2010 1:13 am ET

santa Claus is actualy something from the Katholiek Chrurch; we have adopted it because of the Children who realy have a wonderfull time,at his birth day.But we all know that he don't exist.Jezus Christ realy did exist.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 29th, 2010 3:51 am ET

luckybee

You are undeniably correct and I don't think many here would deny there is credibility that Jesus of Nazareth existed. His precise history is debatable, since it was not written until decades after his death.

Imagine writing about WWII beginning in the year 2000. Even what was written, as it happened on the battlefield, was distorted and that is substantiated by those who did the actual composition.

I don't ask you to give up your belief, that is not what my intent is. It is merely for all believers to separate the fly feces from the pepper. I don't think many can do that, because they think they are being eyed by a big boogie man in the sky who sees everything they do.

For reasons of civility that may me a law enforcement tool to keep people from doing harm to themselves or anyone, or someone else's property, or whatever is illegal, without the need for more police on the street.

My greatest concern is the violation's committed by those who are the leader's of a religion who think they are God, and destroy someones well being in the name of their God...or their religion and within the confines of a history book called 'the bible', some of which can be deemed fact, much of which is a story, greatly exaggerated....


luckybee   March 29th, 2010 6:42 am ET

Jezus said no one stood above an other; we Calvinists believe in this; We are all equal to each other only God stand above us.If you believe in this dear Cajazz76:24:8 you can not pretend to be better than others , or even being God you self.


Ted   March 29th, 2010 9:13 am ET

@ cajazz

Did you ever have a long discussion with yout pet cat or dog?
I make a bet those animals would learn much faster and understand you then Winni and luckybee do.
Do not waste your time, they do not understand your meaning.


Ted   March 29th, 2010 9:22 am ET

@ luckybee

Santa Clause or Nickolaus did exist!
He was a bishop in todays Turkey, the name of the town I cannot remember, and he distributed gifts to the local needy children.
Today´s Santa Claus is based on that TRUE STORY!

However, there is no 100% proof that Jesus, as described by the Bible, ever existed!!
At that time a lot of people were crucified by the Romans and Jesus was a popular name with the jews at that time.
Most likely a bunch of Jesuses were crucified, which one was the real one, please stand up!


Cajazz76:24:8   March 29th, 2010 1:23 pm ET

@Ted

I always wish to offer the benefit of the doubt, whether it benefits or raises more doubt.

How can anyone say it in a more simpler way without hurting someone's fragile ego?

I like the way you always get to the heart of the artichoke, whether it gets eaten or chokes Artie...always a pleasure Ted.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 29th, 2010 1:44 pm ET

luckybee

No more in the way of your cut and paste scripture is necessary. John Calvin along with Bucer, Bullinger, Vermigli and Zwingli, and the reformed ideologies of the Protestant faith are enough for me to conclude any further discussion on this subject. The 75 million, or so, in the world who follow and complement your beliefs should be enough for you to find your salvation. As for presenting myself as a god, I can only see that as a very lonely position to hold...not interested.


luckybee   April 2nd, 2010 2:27 pm ET

I don't think love without sex can functioned;sex is the glue that put us to gether.In Holland it was the long cold winter that bind the couples for always; Great loves was born during cold winters; because it is very nice and warm and cosy,to huddled together. And those couples are stil in love with eachother, and fun of each other, now they are old and grey.I think they will still stick together even if they are not married.Because it is no sin what they are doing.


FieldAdvisor   April 12th, 2010 9:13 pm ET

Actually this guy was not allowed to be around anyone and he was removed from all of his priestly responsibilities early on. They didn't defrock him because he only had a few months to live by the time that came up. Funny how important information like this doesn't come up in these articles.


luckybee   April 13th, 2010 12:02 am ET

Despite of all this mistakes that the catholiek church have made; now and in the past,they think, they are the boss of all Christians, and tried to to reoccupide the trritory's where they have no influance like Holland and the USA expessialy the Jesuits are very bussy doing this. In both this country's they lived more Catholieks , as Calvinist, and this will be a problem in the future.Actualy we have it now adays already.The katholieks have grab power in both country's. And both counry's became chaotic.


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