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March 7, 2010

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After his controversial meeting with President Obama, the Dalai Lama talks to Larry! Get his thoughts on China….human rights…Haiti…and more!

Plus, Akio Toyoda, the president and CEO of Toyota Motor Corporation!

We want to hear from you...

Do YOU think President Obama should have met with the Dalai Lama?

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GeriGreene   February 22nd, 2010 8:09 pm ET

Of course our president should meet with the Dalai Lama – why would he not? Just because China has a problem with that – since when do they decide what a free world should do? Especially when it involves peace and respect.


Karma   February 22nd, 2010 8:12 pm ET

Should Tibet be an Independent country? Until yesterday the CNN poll was Yes: 89%, No:11% and NOW the Poll changed drastically to Yes 43% No 57%. That's surprise but not a shocking though. Pretty evident that the Chinese govt. has its machines rolling again.


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 8:21 pm ET

The Dalai Lama, a man, Buddhist monk and scholar, with a resounding philosophy, that can be heard throughout the world, of peace based on compassion and responsibility. The Dalai Lama has lived in exile in India since 1959. The Tibetan people enshrine the Dalai Lama for his devotion towards the plight of his people and promoting world peace through non-violence. The Dalai Lama has dedicated himself to the cause of the six million Tibetans.

The Dalai Lama has established a democracy for the 100,000 Tibetans who followed him across the Himalayas into exile. His refusal to use violence in Tibet's struggle for freedom won him the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989

This war is not based on independence, but autonomy! Ethnocide can only be terminated when the world is forced to behold the atrocities in such a way there can be no denial, no subterfuge, and no justification!

The Dalai Lama’s power comes not from ferocity, but from his exuberant kindness and vast humility!


Donald L Allen   February 22nd, 2010 8:29 pm ET

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Gerald Jolly   February 22nd, 2010 8:47 pm ET

@ Dodie

But you have to admit!!

He is also a great "CON MAN"

Sorry sweatheart, but that's what I believe.

The country of Tibet will never advance intellectually, financially, or become a self sufficient country, because of the power of Budhism,
only through the dedication of the people of Tibet to want to join the people of the world will they become self sufficient.

It may be an unfortunate sitution, but having been there, I have seen adverse poverty in the name of pacifism and Budhist phylosophy.

I still stick to my first premise, which is that it is completely unreasonable and unfair to ask people living in sqallor to support the Tibetan Monks that number in the thousands, that wont work, and contribute not one penny towards the economical well being of their country.
Something is radically wrong with that.

We Americans well remember the MOONIES in our Airports and street corners collecting monie for the Reverend Moon, who was nothing more than a CHARLETON that got very rich in the name of preaching some form of religious freedom.

Again I go back to just one question, and I would like anyone to explain to me, why the Dalai Lama is reputed to be worth millions when the Budhist religion preaches that one who gathers wealth unto himself is not a follower of BUDHA.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 22nd, 2010 8:59 pm ET

For thousands of years the Tibetian region has remained self-sufficient despite a most unhospital enviroment. The Tibetian culture, faith, temples, shrines and monks are among the most outstanding and spiritually uplifting in the entire world.

The monks not only feed and care for themselves and their neighbors and those without food, shelter, medical care nor spiritual hope, they also leave offerings for the ancestors and spirits that roam the earth as well.

I would encourage those of Christian and Muslim faiths to visit a Buddhist temple or monastery and tour the grounds sometime in their life.


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 9:06 pm ET

@ Gerald Jolly

Differences of opinion, Gerald, constitutes a good deliberation!

Life would be mundane and platitudinous if everyone thought as I .........


Monica   February 22nd, 2010 9:08 pm ET

It is a shame on CNN that it have a survey on Tibet's independence!Tibet was , is and will always be a part of CHINA!
CNN Should have more survey like " should New mexico be a independent country " or "should Native Indians take over the United States? "


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 9:10 pm ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon

Nicely stated and very true...it is the reason the Tibetan people enshrine the Dalai Lama and other Buddhist monks.


GeriGreene   February 22nd, 2010 9:20 pm ET

Gerald, It is not spelled SWEATheart...........for starters.
And where did you get the idea that the Dalai Lama is wealthy?

Now the POPE is another topic.


american   February 22nd, 2010 9:21 pm ET

it's not fair to vote and see if Tibet should be an indenpendent country, no matter where, the Chinese population is huge, they will vote NO. I heard some Chinese redio stations implying to vote NO on the redio. So it's not what the American's oppions any more.


rimorainbowbody   February 22nd, 2010 9:22 pm ET

Mis-spellings match the mis-understandings of our American public. Tibet should be a free nation, as it never got a chance to be, and we should be grateful that the Dalai Lama walks on this earth amongst us while he does – because after him, all we might have are the soothsayers of the Chinese Communist Party and the global politicians who placate (no, not "play with") them.

I repeat – without the help of the Chinese machine trying to rig votes at this moment on Mr. King's poll and to the peril of my ever getting back to Tibet to conduct scientific research –
TIBET SHOULD BE A FREE NATION!


Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia   February 22nd, 2010 9:37 pm ET

Hi Dodie and everyone

First off, I must stress I do not mean any disrespet to His Holiness and Tibetans with my comments below.
My question is why doesn"t he use internal pressure within the country rather than gping to the world to project his cause.
I look at him as a wealthy man who can go globe-trotting in his quest to free Tibet.
In a matter of months, he has visited the US twice.
Who is funding his travels?
It did not sit well when the Tibetans are generally poor.
Does the Tibetans, who are finding it hard to eke a living, really care whether Tibet is under China or not?
The way i see it, he puts the White House in a bind – to see him or not?
It has been said all the US presidents since the 1990's have welcomed him to the White House.
So President Obama did not want to break tthe tradition. Of course he can do away with the tradition.
So it was a sort of back-door visit so as not to hurt China which is already irked.
Can President Obama really help the Dalal Lama achieve his aim?

@Gerald Jolly
i have heard from his detractors that he is a CONMAN.
His life-style doesn't reflect an ascetic Buddhist monk.
Personally I am wary of religious zealots including Imams , Mullahs, Swamis or Rev. Moon or Pastors.
I think we have to hear from China what the Dalai Lama is really about.
Of course, to us especially the Americans who live in a wealthy and free world, looked upon him as a representative of a down-trodden state which needs help.
But we do want to know who is the real Dala Lama?


ignorant americans   February 22nd, 2010 9:39 pm ET

I support U.S. given back to Indians.


Tibet Tenzin   February 22nd, 2010 9:47 pm ET

It does not matter what Chinese or even the world thinks whether Tibet should be independent or not. What counts is the opinion of the Tibetan people like myself. And I know what I want.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 22nd, 2010 9:49 pm ET

And the cheers can be heard from Coast to American Coast

AP – An aide to Dick Cheney says the former vice president is in George Washington Hospital after experiencing chest pains.


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

@ Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

The answer to your question why the Dalai Lama travels around the world!

The exploitation in Tibet is perpetuated; generation after generation only ending when the 'world' is forced to behold the injustice in such a way there can be no denial, no subterfuge, and no justification!

This is exactly what happened to the first nation of America. The world was unaware and the horrendous atrocities continued......


A. Smith, Oregon   February 22nd, 2010 9:52 pm ET

Texas and their corporate sponsored Tea Party baggers want very much to leave the United States. I say let them, Give Texas back go Mexico!

And for the tea baggers, the Hispanic people will become a majority in your State despite your corrupt justice system and control your political destiny in the near future. Win-Win!


henry   February 22nd, 2010 9:54 pm ET

I support U.S. given back to Indians. Whether or not Tibet before 1959 was ruled with a feudal serfdom system by the theocracy should not to decided by those speaking on behalf of the interests of serf-owners. "All male and female slaves, land, and meadows donated by serfs belong to the monastery's Losel-ling College. In addition, serfs are not allowed to lease their land to others before reporting it to the college, and slaves are not allowed to escape. Serfs are not allowed to marry those administered by other monasteries for fear of serf loss, and they should behave themselves and pay their corvee taxes to the monastery on time."


henry   February 22nd, 2010 9:54 pm ET

Whether or not Tibet before 1959 was ruled with a feudal serfdom system by the theocracy should not to decided by those speaking on behalf of the interests of serf-owners. "All male and female slaves, land, and meadows donated by serfs belong to the monastery's Losel-ling College. In addition, serfs are not allowed to lease their land to others before reporting it to the college, and slaves are not allowed to escape. Serfs are not allowed to marry those administered by other monasteries for fear of serf loss, and they should behave themselves and pay their corvee taxes to the monastery on time."


A. Smith, Oregon   February 22nd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

@ Tibet Tenzin, thank you for joining us tonight. What is your opinion then on China's incursion in Tibet? What is your opinion on the Dalai Lama? We seem to have quite a few Rinpoche's here in Oregon, any thoughts on why?


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 9:57 pm ET

@ Tibet Tenzin

I welcome any Tibetian's opinion on this blog! I hope more Tibetians would voice their opinion. We are all outsiders. You are correct. The decision is yours to make!


henry   February 22nd, 2010 10:01 pm ET

No Tibetian's in this world. They're Chinese


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 22nd, 2010 10:03 pm ET

Why dont this guy get some clothes on and quit running around in a blanket .


ugyen chodak   February 22nd, 2010 10:03 pm ET

Tibet is independence country. chinese occupied in tibet since 1959, tibetan are non violence last 50 year stuggle for free tibet. these is tibetan pure religion. compassion, warm heart. sympathy. peace.
chinese govement should change politic red communist. now these is 21 century. chinese goverment say religon is posion,


lobsang ngodup   February 22nd, 2010 10:07 pm ET

Perhaps an equally important question is "Should a science podcast take on a political topic?" For a long time, listeners have been sending me requests to do an episode about Tibet, and for a long time I've been putting the requests into a folder and keeping it stored away. This is Skeptoid, not Politicaloid, and my purpose is not to advocate one side or the other in political questions where you have two sides that are perfectly valid to different groups of people. But the more requests I've received, the more I've realized that there is a lot of misinformation, if not true pseudoscience, surrounding Tibet. There is, undoubtedly, a set of popular pop-culture beliefs out there, based entirely upon made-up crap that bears little resemblance to reality.


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 10:09 pm ET

@ ugyen chodak

Good evening chodak!! Do you remember when an American Native woman asked you and your friends numerous questions for hours relating to Tibet and China several years ago in Lhasa?


lobsang ngodup   February 22nd, 2010 10:09 pm ET

Like most Americans, I grew up watching video of the Chinese army taking howitzers and destroying the massive centuries-old Tibetan monasteries in 1959, and that's an indisputable crime against history, religious freedom, and the dignity of Tibetans. And then I watched video of the Dalai Lama, the exiled spiritual and political leader of the Tibetan people, in his red and yellow robes, speaking words of wisdom and brotherhood and freedom and peace. And I'll freely admit: For nearly all of my life, this was the extent of my knowledge of the Tibet situation: Violence and cruelty from the Chinese; innocence and beauty from the Tibetans. I believe that many Westerners, including many who fervently wave Free Tibet


A. Smith, Oregon   February 22nd, 2010 10:11 pm ET

@ ugyen chodak, thank you for joining our discussion with the Dalai Lama tonight. Are you connected with a Tibetan temple in the states?


ugyen chodak   February 22nd, 2010 10:11 pm ET

chinese goverment say religion in poison, economic is country ornament. what you say you guys?


Cajazz76:24:8   February 22nd, 2010 10:12 pm ET

@ michael armstrong sr. Tx.

I think the world know by now you are a juvenile using your Daddy's computer and his name. You should be sitting in a corner fearing your God.


lobsang ngodup   February 22nd, 2010 10:12 pm ET

Tibet is Tibet
China is china OK.


Richard   February 22nd, 2010 10:12 pm ET

I just saw a vote asking "should Tibet be an independent country". It's beyond my comprehension.

I don't quite like Chinese government either but just think about it, China is an old country with 2000 years of accumulated culture and sophisticated morality system; at the same time, it is a country that have merged into this world for only 30 years!! Within mere 30 years of industrialization, needless to say that there are many problems such as human rights, religion and currency (you all heard about these but just HEARD about them). I won't argue that how China is doing well on these issues and actually China does have problems on these issues. However, when I come to America, when I know these issues from two perspective and I draw to the conclusion that mass media is forever serving to politicians. Without experiencing and exploring the reality, we are all victims of the political propaganda and this will only lead to the misunderstanding between people from two countries. For example, you definitely know that there are 1.3 people in China but do you know there are 900 million peasants in most area in China (probably you only know the cities like Beijing, Shanghai or Hong Kong)?? They are the ones who rarely have education and are easily affected by the "freedom to speak" and this will definitely lead to devastating social chaos.

I've been to Tibet. You can't imagine how severe the environment is. I am not going to say how Chinese government help Tibet people get rid of poverty but I want you guys to know that Dalai Lama was the richest guy back then and the main reason he began his exile life is that he was not willing to distribute and share his wealth and he organized a fight with Communist Party. Is he the spiritual leader of the Tibet? I don't know. How much did he contribute to the prosperity of Tibet? I don't know. Is he being used as a tool by some authorities? I don't know. The only thing I know is that there are a lot of people who don't really know what kind of man he is, but still admire his image.

I am not saying how great China is and actually I know how fragile this country is. I don't quite like Chinese authority but I love this country. Probably you will never know how it does it feel when part of your motherland is intensively being discussed that whether it should be independent. What if one day someone put up a vote asking "should Texas be independent", does that hurt?

I am so jealous that you guys don't have to face this kind of issue.

Sorry, English isn't my first language and I don't mean to irritate or offend anyone. And Have a good night!


lobsang ngodup boston   February 22nd, 2010 10:15 pm ET

Asked this H.H. Dalai Lama whether he expected to return to Tibet,


viewer   February 22nd, 2010 10:16 pm ET

The info that keeps flashing under the Dalai Lama's face telling me that that Im watching Larry King and this is an exclusive story is very annoying and disruptive to the show. It makes me want to change the channel. Please stop with this superfluous info!


A. Smith, Oregon   February 22nd, 2010 10:16 pm ET

The Dalai Lama appears to be a vibrant man for someone aged 74. His statements of more autonomy and relationship with China seem reasonable, not the boogy man China often attempts to make him out to be.


Diane   February 22nd, 2010 10:16 pm ET

I hope someone at LKL has watched the CNN Poll Question:
Should Tibet be an independent country? Yes or No

This poll was trending at 88% Yes to 11% No for days until sometime this afternoon, when all of a sudden tons of people were voting No.

I have watched this happen many times when Tibet is the subject on the internet, both on youtube videos, and especially to Tibetan organizations that have entered fund raising contests.

I have to believe that once again the Chinese Government is at work behind this sudden and huge turn-around on this poll.

It is a sad statement when they have to go to such lengths, and are so worried because so so many absolutely support the Dalai Lama and the Tibetan people.

The truth will always come out as it just did for Google.

Long live the Dalai Lama,Tibet will be free one day.


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 22nd, 2010 10:16 pm ET

You are right Cajazz I an a juvenile but also an American vet. how about you .


Tenzin two   February 22nd, 2010 10:17 pm ET

Hi
I am an ordained Tibetan Buddhist monastic. May I offer a few points?
– Tibetans say they established independence and China says they never did. Reasons can be presented on each side to justify historically each position. Each side believes itself the right one.
But: the Dalai Lama is not asking for independence. He is asking that there be some degree of autonomy in letting Tibetans run their own affairs, preserve their language, culture and traditions, while living as part of the country of China, like Quebec does in Canada.
-The Dalai Lama acknowledges that in the past, Tibetan people were mistreated and suffered under unjust practices. If you research and find the reforms he has set into motion to correct wrongs, you might
learn that he is trying to address injustices skillfully and effectively.
-The Dalai Lama is the head of millions of Buddhists and travels
the world, at their request, to teach and share his wisdom. I have been at many teachings where he is offered money and he does not accept it,but insists that it be sent to different places and people in need. His travel is paid for by the places that invite him to come and teach;the fact that he can help people by teaching is demonstrated by hundreds of thousands of people that happily go to see him.
-Thank you.


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 22nd, 2010 10:19 pm ET

I earned my right to say any thing I want too I served my country and put my life on the line if I want to make wise cracks then I earned the right .


zjwr6566   February 22nd, 2010 10:20 pm ET

I am an international students from China.
I really hope Americans understand that we do not support the independence of Tibet, not because what the government told us, just because China is our motherland, we do not want to see she is seperated. HOW can people stand someone trying to do that to their homeland?
I know China has a lot of things to improve, and we are trying to do that right now. We were invaded by your western people many years ago which was a SAD disaster. we want peace, indeed.
And do not say we are controlled by the Party, we have our very own opinion.
Learning in the US is such a great experience, I can listen many diffrent opinions. I really hope you can listen to ours, too.
By the way, maybe you guys have never been to Tibet before, why do you have so many negtive attitudes? just listen to the media? Think about that.


lobsang ngodup boston   February 22nd, 2010 10:20 pm ET

The Dalai Lama has led a non-violent campaign of resistance to Chinese occupation of Tibet since 1959. Tibet is not free. Therefore this campaign has not worked. This is the sad truth.

I'd love to believe that tyranny can always be overcome by peaceful protest: Non-violent resistance did help India to gain independence from Britain, but the British were leaving anyway. Try staging peaceful protests against panzer divisions, or the Chinese government. The sad reality is that all the historical evidence suggests that violent insurrection has a much better track record of achieving freedom: American independence was achieved through violent insurrection, likewise in Ireland, Haiti and many others countries.


Theresa   February 22nd, 2010 10:21 pm ET

I've been reading of a group of Tibetans who have for many years been followers of Dorje Shugden. In 1996 Dalai Llama banned the worship of Dorje Shugden for the Tibetan gov't. employee. The Dalai Llama wrote to every monastery in India & Tibet if this order was not obeye a list of names,house name,birth place was to be taken . Origional copies kept @ the monastery & a copy sent to the Dalai Llama. The Indian Human Rights collected 300 Tibetan statements of threat or attacks for failing to adhere to the Dalai Llama's orders. Houses were also ransacked. The Dalai Llama says Dorje Shugden is evil. Supposedly the Dalai Llama initiated this due to a power struggle in his fiefdom in exile. Now,what do you believe?


Cajazz76:24:8   February 22nd, 2010 10:26 pm ET

@ugyen chodak

I never opened and ate a fortune cookie with God referenced in any proverbial way. China has controlled its untoward behavior in swift and, many times, violent ways. Those actions have left the population with a sense of fear and they know where it would come from. In theocracies where religion and law are parallel and equally opposed to countries where government and law exist, yet both have an effect on the human psyche reducing the elements in man's disfavor, the criminal. Now you tell me, which is more powerful in that discipline man's law or fear of the unknown?


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 22nd, 2010 10:26 pm ET

Cajjazz My daddy is a Korean vetern and he is dead and I am not using his computer are you an American with a valid green card .


Bai Rui   February 22nd, 2010 10:27 pm ET

How much do you know about Chinese history? How much do you know about anything other than what Americans are interested in hearing? There were many other nation-states that were conquered by what became China as a country now along the history and you Americans only know about Tibet because it was brought to your attention.

Why should any country do what American think is right to do? Why do you Americans think China cares what you think? There are a lot of things that are wrong in China, and China is 10 times shadier than you think, but only the internal force can change it. Keep saying whatever you want to say, but it is not going to change anything unless the Chinese want to change.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 22nd, 2010 10:33 pm ET

@michael armstrong sr.

Which do you take more pride in, being a vet or expressing your first amendment right. You are not new here, so you have some idea how I value your right to say anything you want. What you say is equally my right to dismiss or challenge. I have for the most part dismissed your commentary, but tonight I just feel like challenging you. There are many vets on line here, most have constructive elements to their contributions.


dolma   February 22nd, 2010 10:33 pm ET

Thanks for the poll Larry – and yes I think President was correct in meeting H.H. the Dalai Lama. Better late then never.

The question of whether Tibet should be independent or not..lies with the Tibetan people that are living under Chinese oppression..right at this moment. Never mind the past Henry – lets talk about the present and the future of Tibet. If we start dragging out the past..please name me one country that has a perfect past – least of china with their oppressive foot binding of women and butchering of intellectuals with the great leap forward. Feeding their children tainted milk and imprisonment of human rights advocates. That's the real ground zero that needs to be on the table. If the communist government can turn a blind eye to their own Han Chinese people..how can Tibetans inside Tibet stand a chance? If you want to know the true feelings of TIbetans inside TIbet..then you saw it in 2008, and 2009 with uprisings spreading like wildfire inside tibet. This was not orchestrated by those of us on the outside..heck we can't even get a visa to go visit Tibet..so tell us..how could we have a hand from the outside.

As for attacking H.H. the Dalai Lama for his world travel and assuming he is wealthy, way off the mark. What do you suppose he spends his money on..clothes? shoes...no! He donates to various charities the world over. Most recently Haiti. Please do not confuse the Dalai Lama with all buddhist teachers that you see in your local town. That is like telling a catholic that the Pope is the equivalent to the local parish priest.

The real polls if it could happen should take place in Tibet itself. Now that would be a real feat Larry. The day President Obama met with H.H. the Dalai Lama...Tibetans inside Tibet celebrated – they felt hopeful. They even sent video footage out . If you want to know whether TIbet should be independent..ask the nomads who are being driven off their ancestral lands by the thousands..and being "re-settled" just like the nomads of Mongolia and the natives of North America. They are put in shanty towns..and have no means for a real livelihood, or future.

Dolma


A. Smith, Oregon   February 22nd, 2010 10:33 pm ET

@ Tenzin two, thank you for joining us tonight.
@ zjwr6566, I would gladly give Texas back to Mexico.


Leon   February 22nd, 2010 10:35 pm ET

The Dalai Lama is an international clown, play trick, blaspheme human rights, tell lies. He absolutely doesn't represent the interest of Tibetan people. Only those who has intenlligence under 8-year old could believe in what he said. What is a Nobel Peace Laureate? Ironically, sarcastically a President from a Country with the most war launching, a Separatist who wants the slavation lasting forever in China? Damn it, Nobel Peace Price!


Angela   February 22nd, 2010 10:37 pm ET

There is one China in the whole world, and any attempts to split our country is doomed to fail.This is none of business of any other countries, and it is only the family affair of China, so mind your own business ,please!


Shane   February 22nd, 2010 10:37 pm ET

lol. all i saw is the insanity of the americans dreaming dat one day all the countries are separated with the so-called "freedom" in regardless of the true feelings of the original country's citizens. Tibet people need a peaceful life, not that you guys called "government". They dont like your president but they love their sky, their mountains and their god. seriously, why does LAMA bother to fight for so-called freedom by visiting your country. Food for thought right? for money, for his own power. dat's how the americans being so stupid abou issues in China. Watever its abou China Gov or Taiwan Gov or those so-called human rights, im just askin do u guys really understand wat is right? Is it right to make most people live a tranquil life, undisturbed, or is it right to declare a new war which make u guys happier???
Besides, the roll is not determined by the Gov of course. u shud see the population of china first of all, which could easily determine any rolls in U.S, likewise the NBA all star roll. u guys use FB, why couldnt we use some internet tools to share info, especially abou the independence and right of our own country.
Anyone who lives out of China, listen up: why just stop talking in such an fake tone dat makes the large population angry.


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 10:37 pm ET

@ Tibet Tenzin

Please tell us more! We would like to hear from the people of Tibet!


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 22nd, 2010 10:38 pm ET

I believe in the American way which is being reformed to fit none American beliefs America got rid of its dictators but we seem to have a new breed of dictators trying to impose there will in our country should we bow down to teriny for other then our own beliefes .


justinnitsul   February 22nd, 2010 10:40 pm ET

Straigth-up, there is one fundimental reason why the Dalai Lama is important to everyone and it is the the same reason that the Pope is important to everyone because there absolutely must be at least a few people on this planet who represent balance, understanding, and compassion. People like this go beyond belief and above suspiscion by being 100% truthful at all times. If anything, we should be asking the Dalai Lama for advice on our own country. I bet his ideas make sense instead of debts.

I'm not perfect at all nor will I ever be, however, that does not mean I am a bad person. Even though there is the urge to go the safe route and say our relationship with China is more important than preserving an important cultural haven simply because I live in a material world; My heart tells me that nothing is more important at this time than doing what is RIGHT for once. I say allow Tibet to become a soveriegn Chinese state so there can be at least one last beacon of light on Earth.

I find it odd that China wil not allow this as if they are threatened by such a thing. It makes me feel like they have something to hide. In all reality, the entire world is going to have to accept the fact that we are stuck here together and it is on all of us to take care of what we got while we find a way to go somewhere new. Part of that means changing our mentality in order to promise another tomorrow because at the rate the world is going, it doesn't take a Nostradamus to see the outcome.

People just need to grow up already. All this squabbling over Earth bound resources is senseless because no matter how you slice it, one day they will run out. We should be more worried about getting along and having a common goal like I don't oh say the colonization of space because what other choice do we have. Only a fool would disagree?


TonighT   February 22nd, 2010 10:42 pm ET

His holiness is a man of peace and goodwill. He brings hope and goodness in this troubled world. Everyone ,including the chinese should see that and respect him. He has suffered much in his lifetime but still such high optimism he has.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 22nd, 2010 10:42 pm ET

@ zjwr6566 quite a number of American servicemen gave up their lives protecting the territory of China in the buildup to WW2 and during WW2. Perhaps you are referring to America backing one of the warlords in China vs Mao which came after WW2. And both of those warlords were in fact Chinese weren't they?


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 22nd, 2010 10:43 pm ET

Texas was never any ones state to give away Texas is a country of its own thats why our economy beets any one elses .


zjwr6566   February 22nd, 2010 10:43 pm ET

@A. Smith
Ask your government's attitude about that, and ask the people in Texas.
I really curious about what is your atittude to the natives. Will you give all Ameica back to them? At least give them the same status as white people in the society.


Zack   February 22nd, 2010 10:43 pm ET

@Karma
Why do you think China government do something to the poll? I can tell you I said no and a lot of students who study in the US say no. That's why there is a dramatic change. Why can't you think that's the sound of normal Chinese with some knowledge from history about China and Tibet?


Shane   February 22nd, 2010 10:45 pm ET

@ tibet tenzin
the roll is voted by students n people of PEOPLE'S REPUBLIC OF CHINA. dont pretend to be smart, man. we have at least 20million people having the internet and see what you guys wanna do. if u really fight for freedom, plz send mails for help to the other people in China, dont beg money in US.


Maria   February 22nd, 2010 10:45 pm ET

@Diane

Don't you think it is pretty brain-washed to assume chinese govt is behind the poll?

@other readers

doesn't it seem inappropriate for a religioius leader to advocate political ideologies? separation of church and state?


Tenzz   February 22nd, 2010 10:46 pm ET

I am agreeing to Tibet Tenzin,
It is obvious that the chinese are hacking into the system, how else could it go from 15% no to 45% no withing 2 hours?
The Chinese Govt are nothing but FAKES
But as a Tibetan, I do have my respect for the Chinese people.


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 10:47 pm ET

@ ugyen chodak
@ Tenzin
@ zjwr6566

This is your night to tell us..... Tibet is a very beautiful country! The people are kind, generous, warm and giving. I plan to go back soon!


dolma   February 22nd, 2010 10:49 pm ET

for those Chinese from the mainland on this blog..please..lets sit down and discuss the issue of tibetans and chinese together..face to face. If you don't want to involve the rest of the world on our situation..lets talk amongst ourselves. We have had informal meetings at universities amongst chinese students and tibetan students. Progress is slow..but at least we are doing what the PRC government seems unwilling or unable to do. Of course we have diverse opinions..but at least this next generation is looking forward to a new future of peaceful resolution.

Please check your egos at the door and also your preconceived notions about us and we promise to do the same for you.

Dolma.


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 10:50 pm ET

@ zjwr6566

Very good questions. That is why I feel the Dalai Lama is traveling around the world. To allert the world of events in Tibet!


pema   February 22nd, 2010 10:50 pm ET

To Richard,

Have you seen Dalai Lama escaping from Tibet with loads of wealth . As far as i have seen the documentary of him fleeing from Tibet was really heartbreaking. He was riding on a Yak instead of flight which all the rich men would do especially when they escaped with lots of wealth. Your comment about him escaping with all the wealth makes me laugh...


Cajazz76:24:8   February 22nd, 2010 10:51 pm ET

@michael armstrong sr.

I recall a Mike Armstrong in the Army. Were you in intelligence?


zjwr6566   February 22nd, 2010 10:51 pm ET

@A. Smith

It is my mistake. I don't mean America has invaded us, I mean some other western countries, like UK, Spain, Germany etc. I want to focus on we want PEACE.

I am not quite like MAO, he had some huge mistakes and which caused many problems now. So I am not a follower of him.

All I want to say is we do not want to HURT our motherland. That it is.


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 22nd, 2010 10:52 pm ET

I never said I was in the Army I was in the Navy Grass Hopper .


Tenzin Yingsal   February 22nd, 2010 10:52 pm ET

Definately YES, who does the government of China think they are to decide what is right and wrong for us Americans. What are they so afraid of allowing His Holiness The Dalai Lama meet the President?
Tibet and China are two whole different countries.
Tibet can never be a part of China because there are so many reasons.
Tibetan were originated from Tibet.
Chinese people are from China.
We both speak different languages and do not understand one another. Tibetans speak Tibetan and Chinese speak Chinese.

Tibet belongs to Tibetan. We Tibetans should be allowed to live in our own country, Tibet and not under the China's authority.

Bhoe Rangzen Tsang Ma Yin
Long Live His Holliness The Dalai Lama.

- the new generations of Tibetans


A. Smith, Oregon   February 22nd, 2010 10:53 pm ET

@ zjwr6566, the Native peoples in North, South, Caribbean and Polynesian areas suffered physical and cultural genocide much like the Tibetan people at this time. Some land was bought for a sizable amount of money as in the area and State of Oregon from the indigenous people. Other areas the land was stolen or the people were forced to move to land of the same or larger acreage which was given to them. Under President Obama, a re-compensation program is underway to pay Native Americans billions of dollars for land and natural resources which could be conceived as taken without adequate compensation.

Native American's are encouraged to enter into higher education, unlike the Tibetan people. Native American's have the rights to vote, the rights of American citizens and many have served with honor in the US Military.


Yishan   February 22nd, 2010 10:53 pm ET

Matters have taken a bad turn by you guys! Reunification of China will not only bolster the stability and development of the country itself, but also contribute to the further enhancement of the friendly relations and cooperation between China and other countries as well as to peace and development in the Asia-Pacific region and the world as a whole.


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 22nd, 2010 10:53 pm ET

And by the way I did have an FBI clearance .


lhadon   February 22nd, 2010 10:54 pm ET

this is good. Follow what His Holiness has said, we are not for a Free Tibet anymore, it is time to pass by that phase and move more towards making Tibet a region that is safe and torture free. To face the reality, Tibet might never be free. And to be honest, it is better for China to rule over Tibet economically. Do not judge me for this note because my mother has been a victim of the Chinese government cruelty, so I this note is based on common sense and thought of Tibet as a whole for our voices to be heard in this world, you need to have a social status. So, China is in a sense giving us that voice. The polls on Larry King Live, maybe the votes are higher on No because Tibet's situation IS getting better, but being free our people will be stuck back in the 1800s. Reason with me here, and please understand. Do not insult the Chinese, we have to befriend them if we want Tibet to ever become a harmonious place again. Show compassion now, because hate shows lack of compassion and His Holiness is a prime example of maintaining happiness and love even through having his country taken away. Thank you for those of you who have read this. 🙂

..As for America getting involved I'm not sure how to respond. I am 100% sure His Holiness does not want to disrupt their alliance, but he is just looking for support because the "middle-way" has not prevailed. I'm not sure if America could keep both friendships, but China can not disconnect themselves with America..their economy would collapse!
so let's hope in the next century things will brighten for Tibet..


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 10:55 pm ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon

The higher education we enter is in English. Not our native tongue. It is the exact same with the Tibetans. The higher education is in Chinese. Not their native language even though they are similar.


pema   February 22nd, 2010 10:56 pm ET

To maria,
Lets say, you are some kind of priest and your culture and country is in danger to loose its identity. Will you just stay quite and do your thing or you will try to help sort out things, if you do so, i wont't call it POLITICS or POLITICAL......rest you know!!!


Leon   February 22nd, 2010 10:58 pm ET

I just want to say if alaska want to be independened, will you agree with that? Now, all the Tibet people didn't show any will to be seperated from China. Why you guys don't listen to all the people but just listen to the only one. Everywhere has exception, Dalai is just the one don't agree with China, he is not Gandhi who were supported by all the indian. This is not a common will; this is just a political game.And please do not try to interfere other country's stuff. Thank you!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 22nd, 2010 11:01 pm ET

@michael armstrong sr.

I am sitting on a bridge over top a river in El Paso, Texas doing my homework. The light on this bridge is very good so I can see rather well. I don't play poker therefore, I haven't any cards. But, I do know the difference between several animals that all eat grass.


john   February 22nd, 2010 11:01 pm ET

First i wanna thank CNN to welcome HH the dalai lama. No matter what we american stay with truth. at this point Tibet and Tibetan has the truth.


Maggie   February 22nd, 2010 11:02 pm ET

Tibetans are asking for basic rights which we all so appreciate in this free country, Unites States. Autonomy!
As far as "wealthy Dalai Lama" issue – i'm grateful that i can attend his teachings. No matter how much money is spent to invite him it is all worth it. It is true that his expenditures are covered by the host but u should know, dont be surprised when u see him on the plane sitting next to u in the coach section. His residence in India will show u how humble he is.

I hope that Chinese government will find their soul n implement justice for all!

May peace prevail! Human rights in Tibet!
May the heroes of Tibet who rest in peace without justice find justice!


Shane   February 22nd, 2010 11:03 pm ET

nice. how do u guys know wats happening there in China. dat is just so funny abou the thang dat we dont share the same culture background. Religious in China is absolutely nothing at all. The original religion, even much earlier than the Christians' is Tao (i believe u guys are well educated like my roomie). But chinese didnt seem to entirely believe in something, not even in Buddah. THEREFORE, it is just nonsense to discuss religious issue when the topic is actually abou freedom.
And @dolma, I am in BOSTON now. dont pretend dat u kno everything. i live with americans, study with them, play with them and chat with them. i know u guys are usually well educated and eager to accept different cultures, and but the bad thing, u guys really like to decide other peoples' wills. Is it not a way to destroy freedom and love for peace? you guys always have certain excuse of declaring a war but never think of its just stupid and just for money, but not into your pocket. SO why still trying to hide something for your government?

dont say dat i m standing for my government. I dont like GOVERNMENT at ALL. but the thing is, i like to be better-off, to see an international mixture, but not 100,000,000 countries as the US gov wants for!


Jean   February 22nd, 2010 11:04 pm ET

Larry:

You asked the Dalai Lama that with all what he went through if he loves the Chinese. His comment was positive. Those who practice their religion genuinely are not supposed to hate anyone. It is human nature and in politics for disagreements to occur. The saying: "Free to agree or disagree amicably. " I do understand the position of the Dalia Lama but he appears to be practicing his religion to a "T".
Those who have had disagreements with others and who live with discord and hatred in their hearts are not doing themselves a favor.
We know the saying that happiness is a state of mind and your mind can make you sick or well.
Note what the US man did last week. He harbored such hatred to the point of burning down his house, slamming his airplane in the RIS building which killed someone and in the interim he committed suicide. He planned this atrocity. This is what hatred can do to people. He went to his eternal judgment in this state.
I saw a few tea cups which stated: "Temper is such a good thing we should not lose it. I bought the tea cups.
I have a plaque which states (another one which I bought), "Be Happy. For every minute you are angry you lose 60 seconds of happiness!"
It requires a lot of discipline "and prayers to God" to assist us from not harboring hatred. This is what the Dalai Lama relayed to you.
As we grow older, we should discipline ourselves. If someone gets us angry and we are able to respond "without cursing them and wishing they harm or harming them", we have the prerogative to respond even if we appear angry at that time. However when all is said and done "with prayers", we should get over it soon. Otherwise, it could make us sick and kill us too. Is it really worth it to bear a grudge or hatred? By no means.
The day will come when the authorities of China will receive their fair and just recompense which will be a punishment from no other but God Himself who has seen the oppressive actions of China. Our Lord Jesus Christ said: "Vengeance is Mine! I will repay!" The Dalai Lama may not believe in Our Lord, our God but the day will come when he will believe.
Our Lord has taught us to do good at all times with no exception. If the Dalai Lama is practicing this godliness, God will find a way for him to enter the Kingdom of Heaven whereas the Chinese leader and his government may not because of their wickedness.
China was upset that the Dalai Lama was welcomed in the US and that President Obama met with him. The idea with China, putting it mildly. They have the nerve for such an oppressive government and want to dictate to the US President. How dare China!
Catholic Bishops and Priests have been imprisoned and murdered and some disappeared, just as some Chinese civilians. It is a wicked regime which the Western World should have absolutely nothing to do with. It is for this same reason why the Dalai Lama is in a sort of exile and that the people of Tibet want their independence. They are a country and they should be independent.
You should be aware that many islands in the West Indies are now independent of Great Britain. So why should Tibet not be an independent nation?
Human beings were not created for bondage and to be oppressed by another little human being. God is taking note.


Hardy   February 22nd, 2010 11:04 pm ET

It's so sad to hear all of you say that.
Frankly I am Chinese.
I know what you think, just like me.
I do not believe the government and the media of my own country.
I am not foolish, I think the truth need my own witness.
However, what a pity, you easily believe your media and the government.
I have been to Tibet twice and I actually witness the development in Tibet over religion, economy and culture.
I warmly welcome you to Tibet to see the real Tibet far more different from what Dalai Lama said. You can meet Tibetians and have a talk with them.
Otherwise, how can you say that maybe even you do not know where Tibet is on the map.


jim   February 22nd, 2010 11:05 pm ET

@michael armstrong sr.

If your a senor' then you have children? How nice to have a father in the FBI and a veteran of our American Armed Forces. We are all very proud of you Michael, keep up the good farce.


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 22nd, 2010 11:05 pm ET

Cajazz just send me a photo and inlighten me .


Tsering and Jigme   February 22nd, 2010 11:06 pm ET

@ Gerald Jolly,
to us it seems like the red chinese govt is feeding the words in your mouth, how much did you get paid??? Your comment about the Dalai Lama being a con-man is HILARIOUS, you need to do some serious research before you put your fingers on the keypad and it spells BUDDHA NOT BUDHA, AND SWEETHEART NOT SWEATHEART.......tsk tsk tsk tsk!!!! Take care Sweetheart, with <3 Tibetans from New York!!!


Kevin   February 22nd, 2010 11:06 pm ET

you should pay attention that Tibet is one part of China ,you have no rights to discuss whether this province can be an independent country or not. Thank you.


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 22nd, 2010 11:08 pm ET

Thank you Jim its great to be an American .


chang   February 22nd, 2010 11:08 pm ET

hey guys...despite me being a chinese i believe in human rights.i believe in peace,freedom and love.unlike my country's leaders i respect HIs Holiness The DaLai Lama.He is a man of honour.All he seeks for is greater autonomy i.e.greater freedom and practice buddhist religion freely.there is no harm in it.is there???I dnt understand why the world leaders do not understand this and try helping HIs Holiness.It is very clear that the chinese leaders are wrong but who cares.All they care for is economy relations,money and power.NO HUMAN RIGHTS>


Hardy   February 22nd, 2010 11:08 pm ET

@Karma

Not our government but our Chinese self.
You know if you do not know, you cannot plant false evidence against Chinese govt.


Shane   February 22nd, 2010 11:10 pm ET

@Tsering and Jigme
how could such devine tebitians come to NYC? u swam here?
ok. now its pretty clear who's the one get paid by SOME GOVERNMENT. right?


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 22nd, 2010 11:10 pm ET

JIm I had an FBI clearance to view secret information and deliver it to the commanders I was not an agent .


Jackson   February 22nd, 2010 11:13 pm ET

I have never seen such an insecure group of people as those that are afraid of a Buddhist monk. How dare you Chinese here spam our boards and try to tell us what we are allowed to say and believe. Tibet should be free. you are talking out of both sides of your mouth. First you say that Tibet was always a part of China, then you say you "freed" it from the Dalai Lama. Which one is it? Was it independent or not? Or was the Dalai Lama some kind of mistakenly appointed Chinese official.


emily zhang   February 22nd, 2010 11:14 pm ET

Why United States always think China mainland is a monster?

How many of you guns have ever been to China mainland?

Don't you guys know that you should never discuss about one thing before you really know it?

That is absolutely true you guys didn't even try to know that really happened but just saw this person and think he is right.

Why he is right?

You guys just want him to against Chinese government and give him help when it is necessary, then, your hole purpose of doing that is trying to take advantage of it. Right?

You guys just want to see China is a looser. But sorry. You will never see that happens.

When he was ruling in Tibet region, how many people were died do you know that?

When he was ruling in Tibet region that was absolute monarchy, he would kill anyone he want to kill without a reason do you know that?

How many helps have Tibetans got from Chinese government do you know that?

How many Chinese people people were died because of helping them do you know that?

Now when Dalai Lama saw Tibetans is having a better life he wants to rule again haha, where was him 60 years ago? what was he doing?

What if Tibet region is still poor as 60 years ago, does he want to the same things he is doing now?

As for a human, we should never forget a person who have ever help us, right?
Even dogs know that. However, some people don't, some people who wants to be a ruler don't. And the most funniest thing is, he got help, from some people who doesn't know the truth but act like he knows.

Thanks for reading.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 22nd, 2010 11:15 pm ET

@ Tsering and Jigme, come out to the West Coast and visit Oregon. We have several Tibetan monastery's and Rinpoche's here that would love for you to visit.


Shane   February 22nd, 2010 11:15 pm ET

WOO WOO WOO~ FBI trying to arrest Chinese freedom seeker? then wat is the freedom here??? I would like to give all my info out for free. but u hav to compensate for it.

btw I just forgot my bakpack in the fitrec today, thanks the honest Americans who kept away from it. Cuz usually in CHINA, people took ur bag away, n your wallet n your money on the road... so horrible.


Erica   February 22nd, 2010 11:15 pm ET

Tibet is part of China and other people have no rights to make comments on it.This is Chinese internal affairs and American government always like interfering in the internal affairs of other countries.If Tibet is independent,it will be a feudal place and people there will never be liberated.Dalai Lama wants to be a dictator,can't you see that?Talking of the human rights,how do you treat yellow people and black people?In a word,this is Chinese internal affairs and other people have no rights to interfere!!!!


jim   February 22nd, 2010 11:17 pm ET

@michael armstrong sr.

Would you like my photo? Are you a big tall Texan? I'll bet you are.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 22nd, 2010 11:20 pm ET

@ Shane, unfortunately 4 legged people of all Nationalitys, ethnic groups, religions and cultures can and do rob and steal from law abiding and ethically outstanding people everyday.


McCain Sr.   February 22nd, 2010 11:23 pm ET

ALL FOOLISH.
Dalai Lama and Chinese govt. are both together in this.
They come to deceive us and get back of our money from our govt.


Angela   February 22nd, 2010 11:23 pm ET

I have been aware of the Tibetan struggles for many years and met many tibetans over that time and is so disheartening to see No country is helping. It is apparant that they dont receive help becuase there is no monetary gain and because noone wants to walk away from the chinese governments money. For many years His Holiness has expressed the desire for basic human rights and that is ignored by our government as well as every other government. It is truly one of the biggest mistakes on every humananitarian level to continue to ignore this. Its exactly like walking by a bully who is beating a smaller kid to death and everyone just walks by and steps over the beaten kid. Its horrific and disheartening.


Sue   February 22nd, 2010 11:24 pm ET

Monica February 22nd, 2010 9:08 pm ET

I entirely agree with you, And, plus, i'm an american, and i just polled NO on the voting


Bai Rui   February 22nd, 2010 11:25 pm ET

This is a Chinese international student. I have personally talked with a disciple of Dalai Lama's during his visit to my University. Dalai Lama does not support independence. He seeks a peaceful solution. However the Chinese Gov't does not seem to understand his intension due to their reluctance in communicating with him. This is a small issue, the message CAN be delivered, as long as the Chinese Gov't actually hears what he has to say.

What the respectful monk worries, though, was the cultural intrusion of the Han-nationality Chinese (what some American friends see as "genocide" ). But you see, it is inevitable that Chinese Han cultural and people are spreading all over the world. My American friends, look around and have you not realized that we, Chinese, are EVERYWHERE. (in my foolish opinion If the earth out lives human, there will be eventually ALL Chinese on this earth. jk) Even at the very other end of the world you see our presence, some of you might felt intimidated, but America can stand this kind of culture intrusion because, 1, you ARE a melting pot of different races/nationalities etc. and 2, your American culture is strong enough that can not be so easily "intruded" by some other culture. What the Tibetan people are feeling is 10 times more intimidated as you felt because their culture, however unique and attractive, which is also commonly agreed among Han Chinese, is too weak to confront foreign culture, including American culture that is brought to the Himalayas by tourism. If Anything is causing genocide it is GLOBALIZATION.


Sam   February 22nd, 2010 11:27 pm ET

Dalai Lama is just a political too anyway. After he dies it's over. Those who dream about Tibetan Independence needs to stop wasting their time.


emily zhang   February 22nd, 2010 11:29 pm ET

Why United States always think China mainland is a monster?

How many of you guns have ever been to China mainland?

Don't you guys know that you should never discuss about one thing before you really know it?

That is absolutely true you guys didn't even try to know that really happened but just saw this person and think he is right.

Why he is right?

You guys just want him to against Chinese government and give him help when it is necessary, then, your hole purpose of doing that is trying to take advantage of it. Right?

You guys just want to see China is a looser. But sorry. You will never see that happens.

When he was ruling in Tibet region, how many people were died do you know that?

When he was ruling in Tibet region that was absolute monarchy, he would kill anyone he want to kill without a reason do you know that?

How many helps have Tibetans got from Chinese government do you know that?

How many Chinese people people were died because of helping them do you know that?

Now when Dalai Lama saw Tibetans is having a better life he wants to rule again haha, where was him 60 years ago? what was he doing?

What if Tibet region is still poor as 60 years ago, does he want to the same things he is doing now?

As for a human, we should never forget a person who have ever help us, right?
Even dogs know that. However, some people don't, some people who wants to be a ruler don't. And the most funniest thing is, he got help, from some people who doesn't know the truth but act like he knows.

Thanks for reading.


Shane   February 22nd, 2010 11:29 pm ET

@Jackson
Dalai Lama(the former one), killed and slaved the Tibetians.
Now, the other one(who is younger and gladly, still alive now) wants to regain the power and control the land again.

I agreed dat the "NEW" Chinese Gov had done things horrible to gain power. but the good thing is, they've never done horrible things during the civil war tho they did make some mistakes. But Dalai is another story. And maybe, i donno the goal of the US gov n u guys. but seriously, dont ever try to deal with our country's stuff again.
U.S n China are now in fine relationship. So whoever try to destroy dat would incur really bad war(Another Cold War maybe), and it is not beneficial to both countries.
Make a comparison and then speak out: to let an insane monk get his power or to hurt people from both countries.
It's not the issue abou freedom. Be careful, it could be the issue of a harsh matter.

Why the China Gov doesnt want to say anything, but let citizens themselves to see, simply becuz they also want the well-being of both countries. They want more money (its the truth) n stable power to control the huge nation. But you guys seem to be very anxious to see a huge,disastrous war between us right?
if not. think more about the now well-being of HONGKONG, SHANGHAI, and most places in China. We hav the right to criticize our GOV, like most my friends here do (to blame Pre.Bush o the Congress), but dont ever make decisions for us. Our Country is determined by our majority of citizens.
Next time, remember to make a roll more rationally. Its not abou the Independence (see ur Declaration of Independence, its really good, see it closely). Its abou not making decisions for us, thank you!


Chen   February 22nd, 2010 11:30 pm ET

u know in america, people usually like to rob ur bag instead of steal, well probably it's more distingue


Jackson   February 22nd, 2010 11:34 pm ET

Erica, we do have a right in this country to say whatever we want. I know that might be hard for you to grasp but we have something called freedom of speech. Spamming and threats just won't cut it here.

you say "how we treat brown and yellow people" We have a black president. something tells me that even though you consider Tibetans Chinese that you still would never let a Tibetan become the president of China. Maybe it's just a hunch. China is VERY racist against its brown Tibetan and Uyghur Muslim population. I used to live in China and it reminds me of the old south. Tibetans being denied hotel rooms foreigners being charged extra money etc.

Yes the west has had racism and colonialism in its past. But Britain freed its african colonies and America now acknowledges its wrongs. It's time for China to stop its PRESENT racism and colonialism. Free Tibet!


Shane   February 22nd, 2010 11:35 pm ET

@A. Smith, Oregon
unfortunately, i don care. But dont arrest me without an perfect excuse. Cuz i havent say anything bad to this country lol.
u would see, finally, there wont be any results for any words from Dalai Lama.
So to my words.
I was just saying the insanity of some American people which originally i thought most people here were nice, clever and logical. not like these guys, following an insane old man with out any deeper thoughts.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 22nd, 2010 11:35 pm ET

@jim

michael armstrong sr. find a private room for you?


Shane   February 22nd, 2010 11:39 pm ET

@A. Smith, Oregon
sorry for my poor english, i just misunderstood your words.
lol is it real??? rob and steal without punishment???wow. hope it wont happen in boston?

@Jackson
alright. so we also hav the freedom of speech. but we just dont agree wit those people's words. we are from the country n we know the country much better than those people. SO what would u believe?
I believe Americans prefer proofs and words from reliable people right?
Then who knows if Dalai is really reliable? Cuz he is a man believe in Buddah? wow? isnt it a little bit naive?


Sam   February 22nd, 2010 11:39 pm ET

to: Jackson
are you sure you know what you are talking about? it sounds like you are making all those stuff up.

The difference between China and the Old South is large. In the U.S south, blacks were not considered as human beings, where as in China it's the other way.


Angela   February 22nd, 2010 11:41 pm ET

The logistics of the land are not nearly as important as being able to preserve culture, history, religion and such. That is what HH is asking for Those things are so important. The Chinese have destroyed texts and buildings thousands of years old because they do not agree with Buddhism . That is NOT right. Regardless of where the land is or who was there first. Research the people the culture Youtube has lots of great videos. Tibetans cannot even have a picture of HH without going through beatings and a deprogramming from the chinese government. this situation is so much deeper than many people comprehend or know. Imagine not being able to have a pic of the pope in your home if your catholic and if you did you were beaten for it. Have we not come far enough along in a World Society that basic rights are debateable.


Lilly   February 22nd, 2010 11:41 pm ET

Yeah, blame it on the Chinese government again for the drastic difference in poll. Has it ever crossed your mind that there are millions and even more Chinese in the States? Shouldn't this "surprising" result remind you of the neglected voice of a big population right here in your homeland?


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 11:42 pm ET

@ emily zhang

That is not true. Many Americans do not view China negatively. Actually, China and the USA is more alike than anyone ever want to admit. I have worked for the American government for 25 years and one of my best friends has worked for the Chinese government for 25 years. We compare governments and both of us become shocked because of their similarity


A. Smith, Oregon   February 22nd, 2010 11:42 pm ET

What the Dalai Lama states @ Shane has a great deal of impact on China and the Tibetan people across the nation of Tibet. The entire Chinese Govt. appears to fear the words spoken by the Dalai Lama by banning his speeches, banning his books and even banning his image!

Although the Dalai Lama is clearly not a native speaker of English, he comes across as thoughtful and articulate in his range of focused discussion as evidenced in the Larry King interview.


Guo Zhong   February 22nd, 2010 11:43 pm ET

Should Tibet be an Independent country? Until now CNN poll was Yes: 16% 4708 votes and No:84% 25144 votes. It has been proved that most people are NOT idiots!


Shane   February 22nd, 2010 11:44 pm ET

Besides, I feel like those who argue for "independence" suddenly disappeared.
woo~ cool~ My dear American friends~
see, who is honest man?
who is talking abou real freedom?
wowowowow, I personally enjoy (me encanta) talking abou Laotzi n Confucious wit my roomie. But Dalai Lama, if he hid somewhere in the world, i wouldnt hav any idea who he was. Just a tiny figure, doesnt worth mentioning.


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 11:45 pm ET

@ emily zhang

I have a home in Dalian, China. Yes! I am there all the time


Richard   February 22nd, 2010 11:45 pm ET

To Pema
I am sorry I didn't make my comment clear.
I didn't mean he escaped in his private jet with his wealth. I mean that Dalai Lama lost the fight and was exiled. And the main reason why he was exiled is that he was not willing to share the wealth he owned directly or indirectly with all Tibetans.

There are kinda like two sects of buddhism in Tibet in 1940s. The leader of them are called Panchen Lama and Dalai Lama(actually Dalai Lama is higher in ranking). Basically Panchen controlled the area where mostly were poor people and richer people mainly believed in Dalai. At that time, the religion and politics is combined in Tibet (Caesaropapism?).

The funny thing is that there is actually a photo of Chairman Mao with Panchen Lama and Dalai Lama. They were all very young and look just so harmonious and no one would except what's going on today.


Lavoone   February 22nd, 2010 11:46 pm ET

how can foreigners really understand the real life of people in Tibet? Only through video and newspaper? Well, why dose american government give the unreal impression and misleading of people‘s desires? I think that america wanna use this as one of the tool to decrease development of China.


Bai Rui   February 22nd, 2010 11:47 pm ET

What about the killing? The one genuine argument Americans always make when accusing Chinese government of being oppressive on Tibetans. 1, Chinese authorities (including the dynasties etc.)has always been oppressive. It is our tradition. And it is however changing to be more transparent and western-like. Give it time, friends, the Chinese people are working on it. 2, The "military take-over" was during the time of Cultural Revolution for those of you who know what it means. Back then anything related to the "past" was destroyed! Not targeting on the Tibetan people, but all nationalities, all over China were going through destructions. The intellectuals were sent to work in the fields if they were lucky. Most of them ended up being brutally killed or beaten, humiliated. Texts, art, even Confucianism was almost destroyed. (I thank Chan Kai-Shek for taking all the treasure to Taiwan for that) And this is no secrete in China, people criticize our mistake constantly though all medias. Were people "Brain-washed"? For that period of time, I think very much so. Why are Chinese government so insecure? It has been insecure ever since. If any of you really want to understand why Chinese government do such things I suggest you read Chinese Foreign Relations by Robert Sutter.
I am too off the topic and have forgot why I started this. Anyway, failure in communication due to peoples' incapability in understanding each others' culture and history is THE reason why we can't live with everybody else, UGH!


Jackson   February 22nd, 2010 11:47 pm ET

The only argument that I see from Chinese here is that they think they had a right to invade Tibet because they didn't like how the natives lived. It seems they acknowledge that the Dalai Lama did have sovereignty over Tibet because they claim it was backwards. therefore their argument that Tibet was always a part of China goes out the window with their own admission!

now, they say that Tibet was feudal and so forth. Whether or not this is true doesn't matter. What if we invaded China because we don't like your sweatshop factories? would you like that.

Once again you Chinese here are showing you hatred and fear. You hate what you fear. So you come here and try to spam this board, calling all your friends to do the same, thinking you will silence people. It aint going to work. China: you can silence all the people sometime, you can silence some of the people all the time. but you can never silence all the people all the time. Tibet will rise again!

by the way Shane please use spellcheck. seriously, i can hardly understand you.


emily zhang   February 22nd, 2010 11:48 pm ET

@ Dodie

Are you Chinese or American?

;


smith   February 22nd, 2010 11:50 pm ET

haha. someone who makes conjectures without knowing the facts.
if Chinese govt used machines to roll,NO would be 99.9999999999%
but not 57%
Karma February 22nd, 2010 8:12 pm ET

Should Tibet be an Independent country? Until yesterday the CNN poll was Yes: 89%, No:11% and NOW the Poll changed drastically to Yes 43% No 57%. That's surprise but not a shocking though. Pretty evident that the Chinese govt. has its machines rolling again.


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 11:50 pm ET

@ emily zhang

I am mostly Native American... It is why I understand the Tibetans a little. I enjoy China. I have many friends there. Actually my best friend has your same last name... Zhang


Shane   February 22nd, 2010 11:51 pm ET

@A. Smith, Oregon
Chinese Gov also banned FB. N the funny thing, Prime Minister Wen has a FB ID. They banned Dalai cuz they are afraid of people trying to kill him. Just like wat happened several years ago in Shanghai, because the Japanese Prime Minister went to a temple to memorize the criminals in the WW2, many people had a parade dat messed up the whole city. Dats wat the Gov doesnt want to see. They simply want the so-called Harmony when people prefer fight against those people like we guys hate those people(tho we dont fight lol).
Besides, if i were A LAMA, wishing to get the power bak(the power is so huge, that in the LAMA culture he could do anything he wants, even kill people randomly), I would do watever to make it persuasive.
But for the majority, it is so obvious that the issue (he takes the power) is so harsh and terrible.


Dodie   February 22nd, 2010 11:53 pm ET

@ Emily Zhang... are you from south or north China?


Shane   February 22nd, 2010 11:55 pm ET

@Jackson
"The only argument that I see from Chinese here is that they think they had a right to invade Tibet because they didn't like how the natives lived."
plz prove it.

Everything is so messed up dat time.
There's even still guess abou the North n South Korean War(how do u call it). Even there'r jokes abou dat?
How do u jump to such a harsh conclusion. dat really makes me wonder if u r really thinking logically.


Lawrence   February 22nd, 2010 11:55 pm ET

Just some facts you guys should know. All basic facilities (highways, power facilities, etc) in Tibet are constructed with the money donated by other provinces in China. Every year the rest of China donate hundreds of millions of dollars to help Tibetans. You guys really should visit Tibet sometime and see if Tibet can be a self-sufficient country without any help of any kind from the rest of China. Just remember Tibet will not be another Vatican.


Shane   February 22nd, 2010 11:58 pm ET

@ Dodie
haha~ u r like lots of my friends. they like speaking a little Chinese to chinese students.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 12:00 am ET

@ Shane

I know just a little. I was hoping she would answer....


kieng   February 23rd, 2010 12:01 am ET

China Out of Tibet Now


emily zhang   February 23rd, 2010 12:01 am ET

@ Dodie

okay. it seems like you are much older than i am.

so do you really think Tibet could get independence?

i don't think it will happen anyways, or how many Tibetans want that happen.


Lille   February 23rd, 2010 12:02 am ET

Why doesn't we Chinese government give Tibet "back" to its monks?
Because the Dalai Lama want to help the Seminoles "take back" Florida.
Furthurmore, there is no so-called "back"..cuz the Tibet has alway and will always be a part of China.


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 12:02 am ET

@ Jackson

If you don't at least try to read what the Chinese students here try to say other than your perceived knowledge of the fear and hatred of Chinese people, why bother?


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 12:03 am ET

@Dodie
woops. she's more concerned abou the political issue...


Zack   February 23rd, 2010 12:05 am ET

Every time i see this kind of discussion about Tibet, I could hardly control my mind. But now, I know that madness doesn't work in any ways. Do you know what was Tibet look like before the Chinese government free it? Do you know what did Dalai do in Tibet? Do you know how is the Tibetans life now? And do you know about Chinese government? I don't know why you guys always consider Chinese government as a tyrant, and there is no freedom in China, I am really confused about that. I really hope Americans and all other people in the world can see clearly what kind of person Dalai is, and what Tibet is really like now.


Ed   February 23rd, 2010 12:07 am ET

Take Seminole Indians as an example, although they had their own “tribes” (e.g. The Seminole Tribe of Florida, a federally recognized Indian tribe), they can never separate from the federal government. To give Tibet “independence” is just the same as to help the Seminoles take back Florida! Although Tibet has its own flag, it does not necessarily mean that Tibet is a country; Each U.S. state has its own flag, but can Hawaii, Alaska gain independence only because they have a flag?


emily zhang   February 23rd, 2010 12:07 am ET

@ Dodie

Thanks, but honestly i am not .
i have been here for 6 months.
and i am from Qingdao, is on the coast.
Have u ever heard Qingdao beer?


cl.avi   February 23rd, 2010 12:08 am ET

Do you know the result of the poll changed so much today?
Time difference! We woke up and saw your stupid poll. So we vote NO because this is how we chinese citizens feel! we are not some government machine. we are the individuals who feel Tibet has always been a part of china!!!!


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 12:09 am ET

@ emily zhang

I believe they are looking for autonomy... not a separate country. I have been in Lhasa and spoke to Tibetans who could speak English. They shared with me that the wanted to keep their culture and religion.

What do you think?

@ Shane

Thank you. Someday I will learn the written language...


emily zhang   February 23rd, 2010 12:09 am ET

@Shane

Yes i am..
haha.
青岛人。


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 12:09 am ET

Yes, the history and storys of the horror that befell upon Tibet at the hands of the Chinese Military back in the 50's is very grave.

A very special Tibetan diviner was asked by the very young Dalai Lama what would happen if he stayed with his beloved people in Tibet. The diviner spun around in a rapid and uncontrolled manner bouncing off the temple pillars resulting in multiple breaks in both arms. His fellow monks then ran up and prevented the diviner from further harming himself. The Dalai Lama immediately realized what awaited him at the hands of the Chinese soldiers if he stayed and immediately made plans to leave Tibet.

That and the cultural revolution along with Mao was long ago. Why is China still stifling the Tibetan culture from continuing as it had for some thousand years? They temples, monasteries and shrines were ransacked, looted and many were destroyed. The women violated or outright killed. That was some 50 years ago and many years since the death and replace of Mao in China. Why can't the present Tibetan people and priests replace the Tibetan artifacts which they need for their religious rituals and practices?


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 12:09 am ET

@emily zhang
never heard of dat place... the beer is good... hahaha


Cindy   February 23rd, 2010 12:10 am ET

@Diane
@Maria

Given the number of votes that were cast, I think you are absolutely right Diane. Total votes on the polls here rarely exceed 1,000.


Ed   February 23rd, 2010 12:11 am ET

To say "invasion" is not fair.
When the Red Army entered Tibet in 1951, they also recovered other parts of China (not only Tibet!). During the Chinese Civil War, the Communist Party of China (CPC) defeated the Kuomintang (KMT or Chinese Nationalist Party), and the Communists eventually controlled the whole China including Tibet. In fact, it was simply an alteration of political power between the two governments. Before that, Tibet was legitimately part of the Republic of China (1912 – 1949) governed by the Kuomintang. (Before 1949, even the US gov recognized that Tibet was part of China)
Take the American Civil War as an example: Georgia was one of the Confederate states, but America ultimately reunified in 1865 and the Unioin government recovered Georgia. When the Union defeated the Confederate in Atlanta, Georgia’s capital city, is it equal to say that the Union “invaded” Georgia? Today, will you support Georgia to gain "independence" because the Northerners “bullied” Georgia during the war which is more than 140 years ago?


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 12:11 am ET

@ Qingdao

Yes, I know where it is. It is a beautiful city! I flew inTo Lhasa from Qingdao


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 12:13 am ET

@ emily zhang

You must be very young. I know that all Chinese must be good in English in order to advance to High school and college these days...


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 12:14 am ET

@ emily zhang

Sorry.. that was in error.


James   February 23rd, 2010 12:16 am ET

Free Hawaii!!!
Tibet is none of America's business
get lost losers....


Lia   February 23rd, 2010 12:16 am ET

You r right, chinese gov. doesn't have the right to stop anyone to meet DALA ,but just like you –United States ,you do NOT have any right to decide " Tibet should be a country or not"!!

If you really think you are the most free country,people who live here can do whatever they want to do, can say whatever they want to say, you respect the religion, then get out from Afghanistan, and give back TX to Mexico, also how about Hawaii? I have to say chinese gov. are not perfect to do something, but it is also bcuz we have different cultures, we have had 5,000 year old history, and we are still developing country, we have huge population, so its difficult for chinese gov though.

I know most of the western people respect buddhism of Tibet, there is nothing wrong with that, im glad no matter what ,more and more people know about Tibetan buddhism.But don't only see what DALA looks like then think the real Tibetan people.If you want the truth, come to Tibet and have a look, it is fair to know both saids, but not only the western media.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 12:16 am ET

@ emily zhang

Are you in high school here in the US?


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 12:16 am ET

@A. Smith, Oregon

"That and the cultural revolution along with Mao was long ago. Why is China still stifling the Tibetan culture from continuing as it had for some thousand years? They temples, monasteries and shrines were ransacked, looted and many were destroyed. The women violated or outright killed. That was some 50 years ago and many years since the death and replace of Mao in China. "

wowowow for God's sake. the only one who killed the innocent people was and only could be done by the Dalai Lama himself. Dat is the true history dat no people would accept.
Could u believe dat a divine man killed some people randomly and when the army came for (maybe the wonderful place, natural resource and as Mao himself believed, the freedom and communism which originally was to seek for equality not efficiency) revolution, the "divine man" betrayed his citizens and went away.
Which story do u prefer, people who believe in God believe in Dalai, but people believe in their owns and believe in life trust the other story.
how would u argue dat?


Yang Shuqian   February 23rd, 2010 12:18 am ET

Tibet is an important part of China.Thank you!


emily zhang   February 23rd, 2010 12:18 am ET

@ Dodie

i don't think our gov't destroyed their culture or religion. Millions of Chinese people are Buddhist.

but i have to say that according to my geography textbook here it says we did and lots of bad things about China mainland. Once someone asked me "do you have ice cream in China?"


emily zhang   February 23rd, 2010 12:20 am ET

@ Dodie

sophomore in high school


Queit   February 23rd, 2010 12:21 am ET

Let's FREE QUEBEC first !!!!!
Let's FREE QUEBEC first !!!!!
Let's FREE QUEBEC first !!!!!


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 12:22 am ET

The Chinese Government did not destroy our culture, there are still millions of chinese people that are Buddhists and there are thousands of Buddhist temples in china.

I don't know if the Americans have heard about Tibetans burning Chinese people alive...but it happened 2 years ago.....burning people alive....is that why the Americans want to free tibet??


Bill C   February 23rd, 2010 12:22 am ET

I do disagree Obama met Dalai lama!!! this issue will give a bad impression to Chinese!!! We all see China reduced 30,000,000,000 American bond...

I hope CHINA & AMERICA keep a good relationship!!!!!

Keep away from the 2012 balefulness!!!!!


Jackson   February 23rd, 2010 12:23 am ET

Emily

What the Chinese government fears most in Tibet is Tibetan nationalism. In Tibet, a country which is predominantly Buddhist and whose culture and political structure were deeply intertwined with Buddhism before the occupation, nationalism and the Tibetan people's sense of identity is firmly rooted in Tibetan culture and religion. Therefore, the Chinese government systematically attacks and tries to eradicate the cornerstones of Tibetan culture – language, monastic life, Buddhism and social structure.

TIBETAN LANGUAGE

The Tibetan language is very different from Chinese. For one, it is written in an alphabet whereas Chinese is written in pictograms. Moreover, the grammar and pronunciation are very different from Chinese. In Tibet today, students are taught Chinese in school and, in secondary schools, all classes are in Chinese. Tibetan language is becoming less and less useful, and Tibetans who do not speak Chinese have a very difficult time competing in the job market.

TIBETAN BUDDHISM

During the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s and 1970s, China's People's Liberation Army destroyed nearly every one of Tibet's monasteries and nunneries. More than 6,000 monasteries and nunneries were razed to the ground. Tibet's monastic system, previously an important component of Tibet's social structure, was destroyed. By 1979, only 13 monasteries remained in Tibet. Many monks and nuns had died, either as a result of the occupation or of natural cause, and many had been forced to disrobe.

In the 1980s, during a period of "liberalization," monks and nuns and laypeople began rebuilding some of the monasteries and nunneries with their own money and labor. In some areas, Tibetans were able to resume limited religious practices.

The time of so-called "liberalization" in Tibet came to a quick halt when the Chinese government realized that even the harsh brutality of the Cultural Revolution had not been able to stamp out the Tibetan people's fierce patriotism and their strong sense of ethnic and national identity. As soon as the Chinese government loosened its grip on Tibet, the Tibetan resistance was reinvigorated. Beginning in the late 1980s, Tibetans took to the streets in spontaneous mass demonstrations against the Chinese occupation.

Monks and nuns became the leaders of this new resistance. Because they did not have spouses and children who would suffer if they were imprisoned and because they cared about the preservation of their culture and religion, monks and nuns across Tibet led powerful demonstrations. Some of these protests were massive rallies, while others were small, spontaneous demonstrations. In 1989, the Chinese government instituted martial law in Lhasa. But the protests continued, especially those by monks and nuns. SHANE THIS DID NOT END IN THE 1960S AS YOU IMPLIED!

By the late nineties, hundreds of monks and nuns were imprisoned throughout Tibet for taking part in nonviolent demonstrations for Tibetan freedom.

In 1996, China launched the "Strike Hard" Campaign, aimed at cracking down with severity on resistance in Tibet. A major component of this campaign focused on religion. Monks and nuns had to attend "patriotic re-education" sessions, photos of the Dalai Lama were banned, monks and nuns who did not comply with all regulations were expelled from monasteries and nunneries and monastic life was closely monitored and regulated by the Communist Party. While all Tibetans suffered under the "Strike Hard" Campaign, monks and nuns bore the brunt of most of the new policies.

Most of these policies are still in effect today.

Some of the consequences are:

· Photos of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, the legitimate spiritual and political leader of
the Tibetan people, are banned. People found owning such a photo may be arrested and even imprisoned.

· Support of the Dalai Lama is viewed as "splittism" and is punishable by arrest, imprisonment and torture.

· Monks and nuns must undergo "Patriotic Re-education" classes during which they are taught to be loyal to the Communist Party, to denounce the Dalai Lama and to accept that Tibet is a part of China.

· Monks and nuns are under surveillance by Chinese secret police, who sometimes even reside in the monastery/nunnery.

· Monks and nuns are banned from government buildings.

· Certain religious ceremonies and prayers associated with the Dalai Lama are forbidden to both monks/nuns and laypeople.
The Panchen Lama is the second most important Buddhist leader for the Tibetan people, after the Dalai Lama. In Tibetan tradition, the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama are often compared to the sun and the moon – guiding each other from lifetime to lifetime. Historically, the Panchen Lama has played a pivotal role in identifying the incarnation of the Dalai Lama, and vice versa.

In 1995, the Dalai Lama recognized Gendhun Choekyi Nyima as the 11th reincarnation of the Panchen Lama. Shortly thereafter, the six-year old boy, his family and several monks from the monastery where the Panchen Lama traditionally resides were arrested and disappeared. The Panchen Lama and his family have not been heard from since.

The Chinese government proceeded to choose its own Panchen Lama and is educating him to be loyal to the Communist Party. The real Panchen Lama, who is still a child, remains missing.

These are the tactics of a Nazi regime, not one fit to be a world power! How can you defend these atrocities?


niexiao   February 23rd, 2010 12:24 am ET

The Dalai Lama is a neuropath.It's a stupid meeting Obama with the Dalai Lama.The Tibet belongs to China forever.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 12:24 am ET

@ emily zhang

You are on the special visa. Do you plan to attend college here?

What do you think the Tibetan people want? Would you be willing to preserve their culture, language, religion? When a culture is lost, the people from that culture become erased from history. Do you understand what that means?


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 12:25 am ET

@Cindy
@Diane
@Maria

The reason why there are so many votes on No is because this voting web address is being passed along on Chinese college-student based websites equivalent to Facebook and Twitter as status lines.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 12:27 am ET

@Bai Rui

Exactly....That's how words got out....and that's how i got here...


emily zhang   February 23rd, 2010 12:31 am ET

@ Dodie

F1
yes i guess

So do you think Dalai Lama is representing all Tibetan people?
he had flee for almost 60 years.


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 12:33 am ET

@Jackson
if u really stick to dat Chinese Gov was following a Nazi regime toward Tibet. then you shud hav a deeper look into the Iraq War. and do remember 9-11. Chinese Gov dont face terrorism because they act as Nazi? n the US faces so many enemies because they seek for freedom? give freedom to Iraq!
give freedom to South Korea!
give freedom to Afghanistan!

there's no deliberate proof for any actions taken. the ones you saw could be articulately made by Dalai, as some of you guys said he's pretty well at interpreting his atrocity. You have never questioned his identity. But we have been questioning our Gov for years.

See? but we still stand for our Gov for some issues. but you simply didnt get the point. IT IS NONE OF YOUR BUSINESS, U.S.A!


I ♡ Tibet   February 23rd, 2010 12:34 am ET

"Everything flows and nothing stays.
Everything flows and nothing abides.
Everything gives way and nothing stays fixed.
Everything flows; nothing remains.
All is flux, nothing is stationary.
All is flux, nothing stays still."
Heraclitus

A time of joy and happiness will come and I will sing and dance then with my brothers and sisters as I celebrate Tibet's independence. For now I work hard under the guidance of my religion, and His Holiness the Dalai Lama to live that dream.


david   February 23rd, 2010 12:35 am ET

Dalai Lama is just a politician, not different from other politicians in nature. What he lost was a kingdom in which he was the king and the god with great power, fortune and millions of benighted slaves. That's it.


K.C.   February 23rd, 2010 12:35 am ET

This poll is disappointing in the first place. CNN's distorted report on the March 2008 Lhasa riot already cast credibility on itself. Probably need to think more about raising another pointless question.

Should Tibet gain independence? Dalai Lama seeks autonomy for the Tibet region, FYI. If that to Americans equals independence, then United States of American does not earn the name "United."

Honor international norms, non-intervention in domestic politics and respect for sovereignty. If Dalai Lama seeks national liberation movement, that's another question–but so far he has not.

Before treking into this sensitive and controversial topic, Americans, bear in mind that you do not have the mentality of either side. Few can view the Tibetan issue via a non-American prism. You have your values, human freedom, religion, etc., but that does not mandate the world follow this lead. As much as a utopian ideal that be, it's simply not as universal as you think.

Even if you are determined to see Tibet and Dalai Lama via American goggles, you do not know the whole story. The hierarchy in the buddist system, how it commands property flow etc. these have analogous traits to the Church as well in general. Dalai Lama is a great spiritual leader; he may share wisdom on way of life. However, this should not be equated to desirable qualities of a political figure. I feel I should refrain from attacking Him though, since I accede I do not know the reality–probably only He knows.

Bottom line, let us work out this alone. You can have your American creed, but keep it home. Do not bring that to Iraq, to Vietnam, to Korea, etc. Iraqi War is dragging your own country down, reputation-wise and economically. Vietnam War, if you recall Vietnamese leader accusing "Do you read history but at all? We have been fighting the Chinese for centuries, how come we would join them. We simply chose our path of communism independent from the Chinese influence." Korea, another defeat with loss of millions of lives. Not to mention how many civilians died today in Afghanistan.

The least thing you can do, the people of America. Tell your political elites, how these actions are simply not in your personal and national interest. In the Declaration of Independence, you say you are a people of reason. 200 of years seems to let you forget that; you're intoxicated by power and dominance. With great power comes great responsibility, at some point the people of the world, if they deem you're not living up to that responsibility, would demand that you step down.


ice   February 23rd, 2010 12:36 am ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon, I don't know where you get your information from, but in case it's from CNN or CBC, I just want to let you know that the majority of major western media are in favour of their governments. And that if they are not controlled by their governments, they are at least deeply influenced by them.

Some of the news regarding foreign affairs, especially those related to China are distorted and made up.

I tell you guys this not because I'm a proud Chinese, but also a proud Canadian. I don't want you guys to be misled by some reports as really how many of you have actually stepped foot in China.

Peace~


david   February 23rd, 2010 12:37 am ET

Chinese people have human rights ! Tibet WAS IS WILL a part of China! American people who don't know this trues pls shut off ur hole!


Mr.X   February 23rd, 2010 12:41 am ET

Q: Why doesn't your government give Tibet back to its monks?
A: Because the monks want to help the Seminoles take back Florida.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 12:43 am ET

@emily zhang

Your English is very good. I am waiting for your answer!

What do you think the Tibetan people want?

Would you be willing to preserve their culture, language, religion?

When a culture is lost, the people from that culture become erased from history. Do you understand what that means....being erased from history?

One person will never represent all the people! That is not realistic.


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 12:44 am ET

@A. Smith, Oregon

To your question "Why can't the present Tibetan people and priests replace the Tibetan artifacts which they need for their religious rituals and practices?"

1,The CCP believes in no god. Atheists they are. Chinese political stability is built on economic progress. Keeping people busy and content so that they don't have time to think about the "rights" of theirs that are violated. CCP sees religions as possible threats that may encourage people to POLITICALLY challenge the party.(which is the soft spot of CCP) With that said, there are a large percent of Chinese people who have a religion. I myself believe in Karma.

2, Why is CCP so cautious, yet arrogant, sensitive like a child? Because it IS a young government. I hope you could understand that there are cultural differences in countries, Chinese a lot of times think in the exact opposite ways, (which is all relative, too) Give it time my friend. Chinese people are trying to change things too. But however it changes, the American way of thinking will never apply in China. (Or Asia in general) The CCP has done a great job transforming the country if you can be less critical on it and actually look at the progress it has made.


Brooke Sit   February 23rd, 2010 12:46 am ET

It's really funny to see someone who has never been to China for his entire life acting that he knows everything about China. Does any of you guys really know where Tibet is? Does any of you know what exactly Lama is? Has any of you ever read a book about Chinese history? Can any of you tell how Tibet issues come from? I don't think so.

Dalai is considered one of the biggest liar and betrayer in China. He once worked for Chinese government like a servant to get what he wanted. Then he wanted more, the government didn't satisfy him. So he made some disturbance and ran away to serve some western politicians. It surprises me to find you treat such a contemptible wretch as a god.

It seem like a fashion to worship some religious figures from the far eastern. It's cool to back up Dalai, right? In China, nobody wastes time talking such a pathetic person. No one cares about him. That's why he travels around other countries to get more attention.

I do suggest you guys come to China someday. You will find human rights, or something like that, is never a big issue there. Everyone gets the freedom and respect like you do. If you come to Tibet someday, you will understand that it is and will always be a part of China.


Tsering and Jigme   February 23rd, 2010 12:48 am ET

@shane: darling......Are you functioning ok???????
@ gerald jolly: Thank you very much for the invitation, we would love to come and visit the monasteries in Oregon someday. You got us very curious....just wondering what u do in the monasteries?????


Diane   February 23rd, 2010 12:51 am ET

@ Bai Rui
Yes they more than likely are part of what is called in China the 50 cent party.

For those who don't know what that is:
Wu Mao Dang 50 cent is part of the censorship system but was introduced to take a different approach to simple blocking. Using the surplus profit created by the taxes paid by Chinese people, the government is hiring increasing numbers of low- cost personnel to create noise online or skew public opinion by posting articles and the like favorable to the government. Such guided voices inundate major websites, BBS, and the blogosphere to distract peoples attention or annoy authors or there audience.
The name Wu Mao Dang came for some leaked government documents, but now people are publicly recruited as official "web commentators". They are paid not to express their own views but rather to post views in support of the Communist Government of China.

For those Chinese here who state that some of us that are not Chinese don't know the history of China and have never been there, well you would be very very surprised to find that just the opposite is true.


Jackson   February 23rd, 2010 12:53 am ET

diane

i know what you mean. it's true. they do pay a couple yuan for each post. but chinese racist nationalists are doing a lot of the spamming here too!

Free Tibet!


Brooke Sit   February 23rd, 2010 12:54 am ET

@Karma

You're ridiculous. Chinese government will care about such a vote? Are u kidding me? The majority don't support Dalai since they know he always lies. Many Chinese people don't even know who Larry King is. They don't care about what foreigners like you say at all. Because you know nothing and what you say won't change the fact that China is a free country and Tibet is a part of it.


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 12:55 am ET

@Dodie
First, we dont want to people in Tiber be erased again now. Personally, I feel sorry they have been erased so many times like what my culture has experienced- being erased, recovering and being erased again.
Then, there comes the cultural difference between China and U.S.
Yours is very new, and fancy, and it has never been erased. But ours has changed over time. We still have our own ways to deal with our own problems. If you go to Tibet, you need a Visa to China, but a Visa to Tibet. SO how could people in U.S. say it's a country? I donno how u define Country, seriously.
Just like, we need a US VISA in order to go to TEXAS or California, but we never say they are countries. Instead, States which I personally feel like western people like to be separated. However, we enjoy the unity although we argue for our own, we sometimes fight each other (ridiculous indeed). But we like the unity.
If Dalai really cares about Tibet, he should find the truth of Buddhism but not for the mundane "freedom" of country for the sake of his own power. He should preach the essence of Buddha. Not just revealing things without any solid proofs.


emily zhang   February 23rd, 2010 12:56 am ET

@ Dodie
i think they want China to become strong, so that every single Chinese person could get better education, health care or things like that. Just like what i want.
i cannot represent them, Dalai Lama either.

but that is our own business, US should not get involved.

What Obama did showed that he doesn't care about Chinese Gov't or Chinese people. Maybe you want to say who cares.


Brooke Sit   February 23rd, 2010 12:59 am ET

@Shane
Based on what you said. I'm sorry for your intelligence...


Obama   February 23rd, 2010 1:01 am ET

Free Washingdon D.C. !! Free New York !!


Chelsea Willington   February 23rd, 2010 1:02 am ET

why do American people decide if Tibet should be an independent country?

Mind your own business, America!!!! your downturn economy and dramatically increased unemployment rate, etc.

TIBET SHOULD NOT BE AN INDEPENDENT COUNTRY!!!


Gu Yifan   February 23rd, 2010 1:02 am ET

As a Chinese, I strongly contempt your effrontery. Please respect the principle of "One China".


Brooke Sit   February 23rd, 2010 1:05 am ET

@Diane & Jackson
U guys know Wu Mao Dang. That really surprises me. Since you know so much about China, u must know what Sha B means, do u? U should know cuz you're Sha B. Understand?


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 1:05 am ET

@Jackson @Diane
If you stand with the view of non-government believer, the only thing you would possibly perceive is that the Chinese Gov does things insane to its people and the US Gov does things insane to other countries.
And the UN is such an ineffective and inefficient organization dealing with none of the issues.

wow. Neil Bissondath hasnt taught you guys dat being racist to others is actually degrading your own culture?
anyway. hope those who sought for results may achieve one day~ tho i dont think it would happen when i still alive. And did I actually being racist to anyone? I donno. i donno even know who just spammed on the TV show.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 1:06 am ET

@ Shane

You are correct. China has a long history. Since 1900, Northern China has been occupied by Japan and Russia several times. All the artifacts are in Dalian because that is the most northern seaport with an enormous harbor that does not freeze over in winter. Buddhism in Tibet differs from Buddhism in China! It is a tragedy to have a culture repressed or erased from history.


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 1:06 am ET

@ Diane

I see you're quite current on Chinese internet. You know what, you're right, all 43,000 votes are paid 50 cents each by the government, and voted by uneducated low-wage workers who waits in internet cafes all night–what time is it in China now?? - whatever long, just to win this vote. Gosh that is like, 3,000USD.

What an invest!


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 1:07 am ET

@Brooke Sit
Based on your words. I'm sorry for you being a human being...


Chen Yun(Voice from CN)   February 23rd, 2010 1:07 am ET

Dalai Lama is just a chessman..I don't like CCP, because my great grandfather was a host and his brother was a CNP..Because of CCP,my clan,my gens became poor from rich..But now,in China,few people notice the polity..Most people care how they can get more money..But,Dalai is a chessman of US Gov 's containment policy..It can help US to negotiate in economic friction..Economic is the arch-criminal..US want to improve the economic,it must stop China from improving...Economic have respect to people's daily life.It have respect to people's wages . More economic frictions with US made more unemployment in China. So, people in China hatred this old clown include me...If he is not a clown like this but a aga, I will respect him...US has it's own basic condition,maybe..economic pressures..you know...This is politics..Deceive each other,finally, Kill the competitor..The world belong to the stronger!


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 1:08 am ET

@ emily zhang

How does the Dalai Lama visiting President Obama violate China? Please explain!


Brooke Sit   February 23rd, 2010 1:10 am ET

@Shane
Do you know what 二逼 is? that's you...


brian Spielmann   February 23rd, 2010 1:11 am ET

How obnoxious to have the banners (exclusive.... and CNN logo) across the screen throughout the interview. It is very distracting from the interview and desrespectful to your guest. Stop being so commercial Mr. King.


Fantaski L   February 23rd, 2010 1:12 am ET

This sucks!

Stop this stupid activitiy to challenge China's friendly patience.
What about to let Mr Hu Jintao meet Mr Bin Laten in his villa? Or we can also call for a vote for the seperation and independence of the 50 states in USA? Do you really think the vote result will lead to any "positive" aftermath.
Is that so much funny for you to interfere the business of other countries?


hideaki nagano   February 23rd, 2010 1:13 am ET

I think falcon.I think story and movie.


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 1:14 am ET

@Dodie
You are correct! But Buddhism in Tibet erased the original Buddhism there long time ago. How could you get it back. We are still sorry for that loss.
The erase theory is such a sophism. And so is everything.
If we dont have desire for gaining power, getting resource anymore, the world would be in such a harmony. no need for GOVs.
Well, dats unrealistic. but why dont we think dat way. Your brake disfunctioned, two tracks to go. the first one is to kill 1 person, the other 5 person. Wat would you choose.
A. people advocate for LAMA – kill 5(A WAR)
B. chinese people argue for the unity of their own country – kill 1(LAMA)
C. kill yourself dat you would not know the result(non gov)

I chose B or C.
Guys, take your chance. It's dat simple.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 1:16 am ET

@ Shane

What is your ethnic background. You are not Han, correct?

Are you a minority?


Tsering and Jigme   February 23rd, 2010 1:17 am ET

TIBET WAS NEVER A PART OF CHINA, TIBET WILL NEVER BE A PART OF CHINA, PERIOD!!!! FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET!!!


emily zhang   February 23rd, 2010 1:17 am ET

BECAUSE DALAI IS NOT WELCOMED BY ALL CHINESE PEOPLE . MOREOVER HE HAS NO RIGHT TO REPRESENT TIBETANS AND TALK WITH OBAMA.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 1:20 am ET

@ Jackson, thank you for restating the actual history of the horrific Chinese cultural revolution on the Tibetan people and the horrific destruction of nearly all of the Tibetan temples similarly to the Christian army's destruction of the Meso American, North American, Caribbean, and Polynesian people's temples and shrines in the 1800-1900's.

Also @ Jackson, thank you for restating the facts regarding the Dalai Lama's replacement golden child which appears to have been kidnapped and possibly murdered by the Chinese agents in 1995.

The forced re-education camps for the Tibetan monks and nuns sound very much like the old USSR gulag's which often included torture and brutality along with their forced incarceration.


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 1:22 am ET

@Dodie
I am a Chinese. I have no idea about the term HAN. And maybe the minority u mean is the Tebitians? they are actually included in the majority I hav mentioned.


Obama   February 23rd, 2010 1:23 am ET

@Tsering and Jigme

based on ur comment, u considered Tibet is already an independent country, so how the " FREE TIBET " comes? the U.S is an independent country, do u say "FREE the U.S" ? so funny. U can't even know what ur saying. learn grammar first.


emily zhang   February 23rd, 2010 1:23 am ET

@ Dodie
not trying to get argue with u..
what if chairman Hu decided to visit Bin Laden? do you feel happy?


zhang   February 23rd, 2010 1:24 am ET

@ Tsering and Jigme
When this thing happens in your country, I don't think you say free*** free***! If you do, I don't think you are even a person~
It's Chinese culture, you don't know anything. when u really know about China, you won't say so. Please respect other country.


Jackson   February 23rd, 2010 1:25 am ET

A. smith no problem. some people just don't know. now we have this ignorant person named emily Zhang trying to link the Dalai Lama with Bin laden. what's next Martin luther king jr. and hitler. She must be under 18 years old i'm guessing.


a chinese   February 23rd, 2010 1:25 am ET

There is no doubt that Tibet is belong to china. If someone must vote to decideit ,it must be us Chinese.It is none of your business!!So we take part in the vote,none ask us to do so,but the strong love for our country!


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 1:26 am ET

@ emily zhang

How would you feel if Wang Jiarui head of CCP came to the USA and visited with President Obama! He does not represent everyone in China. Must the person represent everyone in order to Visit with President Obama?


yang   February 23rd, 2010 1:30 am ET

Chinese doesn't want to rule the world(sorry america)
but we won't allow usa the idiot rule the world
get your own financial problems done and don't do anything on our business!


zhang   February 23rd, 2010 1:31 am ET

@ Jackson

Bin Laden, to Americans, he's totally a bad guy.
But to the other part of the world, i don't think they have a strong feeling just like Americans.
Dalai Lama, to Chinese people, he's just like Bin Laden to Americans. what if president of China have a meeting with Ben Laden, what do u americans think? Is that hurt?
Obama hurts our nation!!!!


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 1:31 am ET

@ emily zhang

Chairman Hu decided to visit Bin Laden is up to Chairman Hu! I cannot tell Chairman Hu what to do! That would be very silly.


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 1:33 am ET

Now we have some ignorant person named Jackson trying to avoid answering the smart analogy by saying a little ambitious and logical girl under 18 years old.
I was wondering did I just mistake Aristotle and maybe Plato's words that people should be graded according to their intelligences. Well maybe, they are right. we dont need to argue against those who are illogical and filled with nonsense narcissism.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 1:33 am ET

@ Jackson, one Chinese blogger made an intelligent comment in regards to State sponsored blogging of State opinions. That goes on here in America also under various guises, such as 'the conservative party', 'the family values party' 'American freedom party' et. al. They all are heavily paid from the corporations that supports them and literally speaks their lines for them.

A recent Supreme Court ruling now allows Corporations unlimited funding for political campaigns and candidates. So these snakes in the grass can become much more obnoxious than before.


jay   February 23rd, 2010 1:34 am ET

whatz the difference between dalai lama and bin laden. you can support dalai lama, why we can‘t support bin laden.


Billy   February 23rd, 2010 1:34 am ET

if anyone is curious about the drastic change in the polls, they are neither machines nor "paid web commentators". what actually happened was someone linked this poll to the Naruto and One piece (japanese animes) discussion boards on Baidu (one of the largest corporates in China such as the american google). Now we can observe how we, the chinese audience feels about this issue. Americans should stop sticking their noses in other peoples business in the name of "justice".


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 1:36 am ET

@jackon

Yes emily is just a high school sophomore give her credit.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 1:36 am ET

@Shane

You have the majority culture 'Han' in China. Then you have many minority groups and cultures in China.

You are from Tibet! So maybe you would not understand that...


Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia   February 23rd, 2010 1:38 am ET

@ Dodie

I respect your opinion.
But I still maintained that HH should be with his people fighting from inside the country. Not globe-trotting.
He is also living in exile in India.
Be like Aung San Syuki. She endures house arrest for her people.
She could have obtained any asylum especially in Britain if she chooses.
i dont think the Dalai Lama is persecuted by the Chinese govt.
P.s. Several years back, I met several Tibetans working at a mall in Springfield, Mass. They all said they want to go home to Tibet though they are living well in America.


Xin   February 23rd, 2010 1:38 am ET

Tibet to China, just like Alaska to US..


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 1:41 am ET

A native of Lhasa, Tibet makes a good point in the CNN Blogs, if the Chinese police and military in Tibet were actually treating the Tibetan people so well, why would the Tibetan Monks be placing themselves in front of the rifles and guns of the Chinese troops and police as they fired live rounds into the unarmed protesters?


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 1:41 am ET

@ emily zhang

This type of conversation helps people to understand different parts of the world. It is a start! You are doing well. Ignore those that criticize! I apologize for writing silly.


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 1:42 am ET

@Dodie
Alright.
If you still stick to dat Tibetians really like LAMA, we may also do dat thing.
Compare to Lama and the Tibetians (say 10million people)
The war costs 300million Chinese people and say 1million American (Is dat fair enough?)

Your brake disfunctioned, two tracks to go. the first one is to kill 1 person, the other 5 person. Wat would you choose.
A. people advocate for LAMA – kill 301million(A WAR)
B. chinese people argue for the unity of their own country – kill 10million(LAMA)
C. End all Gov so dat there would be no decision made by anyone

Wat would you choose?


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 1:42 am ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon

Guess you haven't heard of the Tibetans in Lhasa burning the Han Chinese people alive right??


Jackson   February 23rd, 2010 1:43 am ET

Shane, on the contrary I was speaking about Emily's lack of maturity. you chinese think you have the right to silence us. not going to happen. Free Tibet!


Jackson   February 23rd, 2010 1:44 am ET

yuki, if Chinese stole my land I'd burn them too! The occupation of Tibet was the cause of the riot.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 1:45 am ET

Tibet has always been a part of China.


fanglovechina   February 23rd, 2010 1:46 am ET

@Tsering and Jigme
GOSLING !! TIBET IS ALWAYSA PART OF CHINA, TIBET WILL NEVER BE A INDEPENDENT COUNTRY, PERIOD!!!! TIBET IS A CITY OF CHINA, A CITY, FOREVER!!!
THERE ARE 13MILLION PEOPLE LOVING CHINA,OF COURSE INCLUDING THE TIBETANS!!!


Jason   February 23rd, 2010 1:46 am ET

THE PEOPLE should know their rights!!!

THE 28TH AMENDMENT states that the people be treated the same as congress!!!!!

Look at our health care system and the new proposal.
Is it FAIR?!? NO!!!

I want he same treatment that congress gets for health care that's entitled to me and the rest of us americans!!!!!

Governor Patrick of Mass made the point that he is an American before a politician!!!


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 1:47 am ET

Jackson,

Did the Native Indians burn the Americans when you guys took over their land???


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 1:47 am ET

@ yuki and what would provoke the Tibetans so much they would immolate some Han Chinese people? What is the offical Chinese political spin on that, they sudden got a hankering to smell burnt Chinese flesh?

Or the Tibetans had been repeatedly tortured, rounded up, beaten and took out their pain and suffering on some Chinese people they ran across?


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 1:48 am ET

@Dodie
I appreciate your stand. u must be a good educator.
Great to share my words with you.
Still have stuffs to do. Thanks guys.
I didnt mean to offense anyone, just expressing my own knowledge on the issue.
谢谢


Zack   February 23rd, 2010 1:49 am ET

I am spending time after light-out watching this blog. There are so many opinions which I try to learn more about Americans' views toward Tibet. Yet there are too many misunderstanding, Tibet is a nice place. STRONGLY RECOMMEND AMERICANS GO TO TIBET!!!

If America really have human rights, please stop waring.
If America really have freedom, please stop discrimination toward foreigners. (Don't say no, I am new here, and I am expiring it. )
If America really want to make this world better, please leave others away, there are too many things you can't understand because of different culture, because your lack of the knowledge.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 1:51 am ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon

I guess you haven't been told those pictures you see are not of the Chinese police right???


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 1:51 am ET

@ Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia

Of course people want to go home regardless of where they are living. The wealth of a country or style of life is meaningless if your family and heritage is from another land!!!That is a natural feeling.

I have never spoken to the Dalai Lama so I can not tell anyone exactly what he wants to do or his hidden agenda, if he even has one... However, my experience being in Tibet and what I have read, he is looking for autonomy, not a separate country. I have seen the Tibetan writing being removed from the buildings... and the slow change in language. I have talked to Tibetans who were afraid to expressed their feelings around anyone who they thought was Chinese. That is a big red flag!!

I want to congratulate all the people from Tibet who were courageous enough to express their feelings and thoughts!


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 1:51 am ET

When the Celtic 'pagan' tribes began kidnapping and burning the Roman soldiers, that put the fear of many gods into the entire Roman empire. That practice is the 'real' Wickerman sacrifice and the Roman soldiers quickly ceased traveling the English countryside and soon left that country altogether.


Shane   February 23rd, 2010 1:52 am ET

@Jackson
exact the opposite. we just want to know how you guys think of the issue.
okay. n we just want to express how ridiculous LAMA is.
Chinese Gov want us to be silent. we want to be like u guys.
No silence~ But I still dont like dat the US deciding other country's issue.

thanks man.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 1:52 am ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon

I guess you haven't figured out that the pictures that had been passed around the media are not pictures of the Chinese police right??


Baersworth   February 23rd, 2010 1:52 am ET

Tibet has been a part of China since Tang Dynasty. China lost control to its remote territories when it was weak, and regain control when it is recovered. Such thing repeated several times during China's long history. Thsoe who say China occupied Tibet since 1959 are either simply igorant to history or are trying to mislead.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 1:53 am ET

@ Shane

Thank you for the kind compliment! I also feel you are a wise person.
Enjoyed understanding your perspective! Please come back in to Larry King and visit!

I am happy that CNN was able to provide this forum where we can learn more about one another.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 1:55 am ET

@ yuki writes, 'I guess you haven't been told those pictures you see are not of the Chinese police right???'

I must have missed that re-education class. I rather doubt the Tibetan people dressed themselves up as Chinese Police and shot into the crowds of Tibetan protesters, and into the chests of the Tibetan Monks who shielded the Tibetan people with their bare body's from harm.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 1:57 am ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon

Those are not chinese police...they are Nepalese police......


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 1:57 am ET

@ Zack

I love Tibet. The people were friendly, warm, kind, generous. I cannot express the respect I feel towards Tibet!


zhang   February 23rd, 2010 1:58 am ET

TIBET IS ALWAYS A PART OF CHINA~
@ Jackson~
we never want to silence u, but you are the one who don't show maturity. You don't know how to respect other country, and you are the one who say something to hurt our nation. Do u know anything about us? no you don't.
when you don't know something, please don't say you know very well
shame on u


whoever   February 23rd, 2010 2:00 am ET

I prefer hearing words from ppl who are living in Tibet now.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 2:00 am ET

@ Jackson

copying and pasting from wikipedia doesn't make you any smarter you know


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 2:01 am ET

@ yuki, why would the Nepalese police be interfering with the internal affairs of the Tibetan people?


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 2:02 am ET

I am a Chinese. To be honest, I prefer use Chinese to write this, but I want every one to know what I want to talk about.

First, no matter whether Chinese government has problem with Dalai, that is just the problem within China. Even president of the hold World has no right to interpose or use any ways to support any side.

Second, Chinese government and law are fair to everyone in China. Tibet has been a part of China since a lot of years ago. However, the problem comes these year just after the Falun Gong. As we can see, they are all related to US government, also including Taiwan problem, DiaoYu Island problem and a lot else.

Maybe US citizen don't know, the US government has offended Chinese government a lot.

President Obama do know which choice is right.

I hope that president Obama will have a right choice and have a healthy relationship with China and Chinese government.


zhang   February 23rd, 2010 2:03 am ET

@ Jackson~

OH jackson poor jackson~
just go back school and learn some thing
and then back to larry king ~~


whoever   February 23rd, 2010 2:03 am ET

what you are arguing sounds like a man talking about the experience of pregnancy


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 2:05 am ET

The pictures are not of the Chinese police.

Its called media bias........


Jackson   February 23rd, 2010 2:05 am ET

zhang I used to live in china so I know how it is. and I don't really care if i hurt your chinese pride because I stand for freedom and free speech. I'm not going to respect China, a country that for three thousand years has been the worst human rights violator and racist colonists of all time: from the Taiping massacres, to your invasion of Vietnam in 1980, for your support of Darfur genocide, to your theft of muslim lands in the west people need to call you out for it. Part of being an adult is dealing with people who have different opinions then you. get used to it!


Cedric   February 23rd, 2010 2:07 am ET

Since when does the US and the west have the right to talk about human rights?

After you wiped out the first nation and steel their land?
After British colonism?
After Black slavery trade?
After the opium war?
After the US invaded Iraq? Afganastan?

after all this and you are speaking of human rights now?
Kiss my ass


Eleo   February 23rd, 2010 2:11 am ET

Tibet belongs to China since 60A.D. when US hasn't been built yet.

DalaI Lama used to be the spirital leader of Tibet ,but after a while he turned out to be an evil who made the Tibetan slaves.

I notice that some guys argued that it is the Chinese gov. who ran the machine and change the voting result and I can tell you that it is not. I am totally on myself, my friends told me that Dalai will making noise here and I felt I should stop him lying and I voted.

Tibet is a province of P.R.C and Tibetan live a better life than before, every one can see that except a few guys like DalaI Lama who wants to become the king of this area and enjoy his money and right.

If you don't know the history of Tibet ,stop the innocent commenting.
Tibet is not a country, it is a part of China.
This is a problem of Chinese,we don't need Americans to help.


Cedric   February 23rd, 2010 2:11 am ET

lol look at the Jackson dude

If what you saying is true.
The american's should give the native their land back and get back to Europe

You were only there for 300 years
It still not too late to speak of human rights and make up for whatever the evil deed your ancestors did.


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 2:11 am ET

@ Jackson

with your opinion, US government should go back to Europe. They betrayed the British government, grabbed the land from the aboriginal people. Now, they are destroying the really native's culture and let them live in the lowest class of the society. Why don't you ask US government give the land back to these really native people?


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 2:11 am ET

@ yuki, the re-education on the Chinese police firing live rounds into the body's of the Tibetan monks and Tibetan protesters is explained by 'someone' doctored the photos? That explains the dead Tibetan protesters, and the round up of the Tibetan monks that shielded them with their lives?


Jay son   February 23rd, 2010 2:15 am ET

@ Jackson

with your opinion, US government should go back to Europe. They betrayed the British government, grabbed the land from the aboriginal people. Now, they are destroying the really native's culture and let them live in the lowest class of the society. Why don't you ask US government give the land back to these really native people?


Jay son   February 23rd, 2010 2:15 am ET

To Jackson

with your opinion, US government should go back to Europe. They betrayed the British government, grabbed the land from the aboriginal people. Now, they are destroying the really native's culture and let them live in the lowest class of the society. Why don't you ask US government give the land back to these really native people?


Ann G   February 23rd, 2010 2:15 am ET

It's so funny to see someone here thought the Chinese Govt rolling their machines to change the vote. Let me tell you guys the truth here. This CNN "Should Tibet be an Independent country?" vote link was forwarded to some of Chinese's biggest forums. A LOT of Chinese are now voting for their own country here. That's why the poll is changing dramatically. We're just simply pissed off by this CNN voting under nonsense! China is our own country and whatever decision we make is totally non of your business!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 2:16 am ET

@Zhang

No that is one sweet way to baffle the moderator's..


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 2:16 am ET

Jackson,

My roommate is just like you. Except he for real doesn't know anything about this whole issue except the fact that he stands for freedom and free speech. Which is the reason why most of the Americans who support tibet support Tibet .


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 2:17 am ET

Jackson

with your opinion, U S government should go back to Europe. They betrayed the British government, grabbed the land from the aboriginal people. Now, they are destroying the really native's culture and let them live in the lowest class of the society. Why don't you ask U S government give the land back to these really native people?


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 2:17 am ET

@Zhang

Can you teach me that in a day? That's better than sliced bread.


Jackson   February 23rd, 2010 2:19 am ET

zhang is a coward who writes in Chinese thinking nobody knows. Here is a translation of what she wrote:

Great group of people you have no knowledge of the quality of non-standard non-~
When the frog in the bar ~ Napian days to look at their own Le Bar ~
Which day we went out you ~ make you happy ~ you had to PIA PIA's ~
Tibet is China's past, present future ~
We are a family matter we handle ~
Dalai Lama died, we have 1.3 billion people had to the whole country celebrated ~
Understand what ~ really see itself as the world's policeman ah ~ defense of peace? ?
To you? ? Give me a break I am happy again ~ really can not stand your group of mentally handicapped children ~
Quickly gave me a sober Bar ~ Do not licked a face to our site on your ~ Wacky ~ round Buzhe
Round Buzhuo your government!
You do not like Osama bin Laden, we do not like the Dalai Lama ~
If you like the Dalai Lama, then I will like to Osama bin Laden!
Sister of English in general, and have the ability in Chinese, I reply ~
Among other things have nothing to do all the back to find the mother ~

Once again zhang, when you compare the Dalia Lama with Osama bin laden you make yourself look VERY ignorant.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 2:20 am ET

I take it world war III was underway here tonight...Who won?


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 2:21 am ET

@ Jackson

Are you from the US?

If you are... do not forget what the White European man did to the first nation of this country. Genocide and extermination! Many tribes were removed from the face of this planet!


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 2:22 am ET

@ Cajazz76:24:8

lol


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 2:24 am ET

China is frightened of the Uyghurs and their Taliban friends, so @Zhang go ahead and sing the praises of Osama bin Ladin thru-out China. I'm absolutely certain you'd soon hear a knock at your door and placed into re-re-education camp as the result.


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 2:25 am ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon
no offence but i believe the reason why would the Nepalese police be interfering with the internal affairs of the Tibetan people is as same as the reason why your president meet Dalai Lama and involeve in the internal affairs of the Chinese people, which is creating more chaos and misunderstanding among China, Tibet and world


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 2:26 am ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon

i guess u r the one that need to be re-educated...
all those media bias and brain washing....
all thx to the western media....

ever heard of anti-cnn??


zhang   February 23rd, 2010 2:26 am ET

i really don't know why we spend so much time on this topic~ they don't want to believe the real thing no matter how long we educate them..........
they have a really strong mind~~~~
tell u the truth Americans!
we hate Dalai Lama~ we love Bin Laden~
is that ok? "you can't silence us to love bin laden~"
Free everyone in US free yeah free
I'm immature~ so what~
I love my country~ I love chinese government no matter what the leaders do~
you are not Chinese, you can only show your opinions here online, so what? you think our leader will have time to have look what you wrote here? what you think and you wish will not come true~~
Dalai Lama is so old,he'll die soon. and at that time, i'll have a big party in my home to celebrate his death....finally~~


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 2:26 am ET

@Jackson

Zhang is only a sophomore in high school, regardless of her views she had the courage to take on all who challenged her here tonight. She may be a bit frustrated because her English needs improved. But you take her on in her own language and I have a feeling you would be sweating blood. Enough with calling her a coward, I just jumped in and can tell she is quite capable of defending her position. This is probably very challenging for her, but give her credit for what she has accomplished here tonight.


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 2:27 am ET

Everyone who believe the US government,

Please think about 911 case.
Is bin Laden really exist? Or is the 911 case really caused by bin Laden? We don't know! What we know is what the US government told us.
But the result is US government sent their army and weapon to Asia. And then, the Iraq problem, Iran problem and now Pakistan.
Maybe it looks like there is no relationship between Dalai and Chinese government.
However, after US army has gone to Asia, all the problem comes out, Dalai, Rabiye. Most important is, there are a lot of weapons appear in Tibet and Sinkiang's Chinese citizen, which are not allowed by Chinese government.

So, what is the US government doing ?

I think all of you has the answer.


Cedric   February 23rd, 2010 2:27 am ET

Speaking of human rights?
What are the human rights?

I am an engineer so only figures and numbers will convince me.
There is an article from BBC last year, but the article was removed (unbiased huh?)

In 60 years, what China did:

Average life expectancy: 1949: 35 years, 2009: 73 years
Unemployment rate: 1949: 24%, 2009, 4%
Number of airlines: 0 – 12
Illiteracy: 80% – 9.1% ( yes, for 1.3 billion people)
Number of hospital beds: 84600 – 3.1 million
Number of mobile phones: 0 – 633.8 million
Total exports: 6.58 billion – 1.43 trillion

What is human rights? All the above looks like human rights to me, for the Chinese people to live better, have the right to literacy, medical care and employment. I believe there is not one single county in the entire human history have made that great achievement ever. Prove me wrong...

All of you who are criticizing the human right record, should look at both side.


Jackson   February 23rd, 2010 2:28 am ET

dodie how does that excuse China doing the exact same thing to Tibet?

by the way, i'm not surprised how all you chinese are. you're fed propaganda since you're born. One of the biggest pieces of propaganda is the so called "Nanjing Massacre" that you claimed happened in 1937. There is absolutely NO evidence that it occurred. I went to the museum there in nanjing a few years back. Nothing but doctored photos and pits of bones that looked like a dinosaur dig. no real proof. If your government lies to you about that what else do you imagine they are capable of?


zhang   February 23rd, 2010 2:29 am ET

@ Jackson

if you are from Canada! I think you'll be the happiest person when quebec separates from Canada~
you are just one who is extremely selfish~


Jackson   February 23rd, 2010 2:30 am ET

cajazz what exactly did she accomplish other then make herself look foolish? I ask you Chinese again here. what exactly is it about the Dalai Lama that makes you fear him so much?


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 2:34 am ET

@ Jackson...

OMG....the Nanjing Massacre never happened???
go back and learn your chinese history again...


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 2:34 am ET

@ Jackson, perhaps that is one of the more closely held Chinese State secrets which is not passed into the re-educational camps and system to the masses.


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 2:35 am ET

@ jackson
hey man, why don't you tell your indian people that you never killed anyone of them since "there is absolutely NO evidence that it occurred." there are even no doctors photos and pits of dinosaur's bones in your museum!!!


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 2:36 am ET

@Jackson

Do you need evidence? so why don't you ask your best friend Japan? Is Japanese people stupid enough to forget what they have done before?

All the old people in Nanjing remember the evil period. Why don't you believe them?

Show me the evidence that you belong to the land you are standing on!


Cedric   February 23rd, 2010 2:36 am ET

Jackson February 23rd, 2010 2:30 am ET
cajazz what exactly did she accomplish other then make herself look foolish? I ask you Chinese again here. what exactly is it about the Dalai Lama that makes you fear him so much?

We do not fear him, he is the one in fear

The denial of nanking massacre was very rude and make you looks like an uneducated red neck.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanjing_massacare

It is a known fact, i am not gonna argue on that.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 2:37 am ET

@Jackson

You missed my point! This has nothing to do with China and Tibet. I was making reference because you were criticizing another culture for their violence while this country was made from extermination of the Native Americans!


Jeff   February 23rd, 2010 2:37 am ET

Jackson
Listen, if you think "Nanjing Massacre" is not really, that's fine, you can watch nanking nanking, produced by a american director, I think the director was a man with blood,
Yes we do not have so many evidence prove it, you think the pictures are not real, what can I do, dig the body and show you?!
But think about it, why do we lie on it? it is shame!!!!!!
Japanese and China was fighting on our land, use you brain!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 2:38 am ET

@Zhang

Have to compliment you on your knowledge of world issues. You are intelligent and very young and at the age when you wish to express to the world your views and opinions. A little temperance on your behalf will allow others to listen more closely to what you are saying. You will learn more from them as well. No one here is an expert, we all learn what we know through opinions of others and of course what we see through our own eyes. You have a version of this saying in your country,,,Believe little of what you hear and half of what you read. Or something like that...


zhang   February 23rd, 2010 2:38 am ET

@ Jackson

we are not afraid of Dalai Lama
but what he tries to separate Tibet from China.
As a Chinese, I won't let that happen. I won't let sisters and brothers separate from me.
What we afraid is to lost them but now Dalai Lama


ken   February 23rd, 2010 2:40 am ET

Dalai is compels greatly silly

Dalai exhausted person skin, drinks the person blood


LOGICAL Dave W. Dawson   February 23rd, 2010 2:40 am ET

SOLID DISCIPLINE recognises BAD STUDENTS.

BAD STUDENTS recognise RESTRICTION OF PRIVILAGES.

GOOD STUDENTS don't worry about RESTRICTION OF PRIVILAGES.

Neither GOOD STUDENTS or SOLID DISCIPLINE will be done for BREACH OF DISCIPLINE.

AND HOW MUCH BREACH OF DISCIPLINE DO WE WITNESS?

ALL IS BREACH OF DISCIPLINE.

ALL IS RESTRICTION OF PRIVILAGES.

THE MASTER SAYS THAT NO LOVE CAN BE GIVEN TO THE BAD STUDENTS.

THE MASTER CAN ONLY LOVE THE GOOD STUDENTS.


Ann G   February 23rd, 2010 2:40 am ET

@Zhang

I'm with you!! I'm a Chinese and I live in Australia. You're absolutely right and I think we really shouldn't waste anymore time on this. This is a site US takes control and we've tried our best to defend for our country. Although so little impact, at least we did what we could. If any of you American knows Chinese, and try post a comment like "Dalai Lama is right"in Chinese forum, you'll be literally dead in 1 minumte!!

@ Jackson

You're just so good at using these online traslating stuff aren't ya? Then mayb u should try this: 做人莫装逼,装逼遭雷劈!A sentence especially for you!


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 2:40 am ET

and i guess as your education level, you can only understand what pictures say, did you read any documents?? did you understand what documents say?? and probably you don't even realize what kind of museum did you go, history museum or natural museum??


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 2:41 am ET

@Jackson

Chinese is not afraid of Dalai, we just do not want our citizen be cheated again. US government is just taking advantage of Dalai to threaten Chinese government.


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 2:41 am ET

@ Cajazz76:24:8

此张非彼张也。


ken   February 23rd, 2010 2:41 am ET

FUNK Dalai \(^o^)/~


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 2:41 am ET

@ zhu, sadly there is plenty of evidence that nearly 3 million indigenous people in North American alone were whipped out.

A similar number in Meso-America, South America, Caribbean Islands and the Polynesian Islands. Carvings, bones, culture, artifacts, memorials and grave sites exist in remembrance of those indigenous people.


ken   February 23rd, 2010 2:43 am ET

My most repugnant Dalai and North Korean


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 2:44 am ET

@Cedric

She learned she has the freedom to express freely her views on a world stage. How she appeared to others was again their opinion. What I saw of her was very similar to what my daughter exhibited at her age. My daughter is on the world stage today. She is expressing her views and opinions to the world. She is an editor for a publishing firm in another part of the world..Now you see any similarities with young Miss Zhang?


CNN莫装B   February 23rd, 2010 2:45 am ET

CNN,mo trongbi,trongbi zao lei pee


ken   February 23rd, 2010 2:46 am ET

My most repugnant Dalai and Korean

SB棒子不要冒充中国人,操死SB棒子


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 2:46 am ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon

You want evidence of the Nanjing Massacre??
go on google and type Nanjing MAssacre, plenty of pictures there for you to see.
And its not just the Chinese that are admitting to the Nanjing Massacre, many of the old Japanese army....the people that actually participated in the event and are JAPANESE admit to it!!!!


Jackson   February 23rd, 2010 2:47 am ET

Ann, Is that a threat? "they'd be dead in a minute" anyway, no because all you people can do is spam. yet you hide behind computers. a chinese person wouldn't last two days in an american jail with blacks, mexicans and white supremacists wall to wall. (you just threatened someone which could send you to jail). I

anyway, I see Tibetans rising up once more, an intifada if you will against China. once the Dalai Lama dies Tibetans will become more militant. they could use tactics such as suicide bombings and killing Chinese around the world. by shooting up a chinese grocery for example or stuff like that. That's what people do when they are being oppressed by a larger army than them. Remember that one persons' terrorist is anothers freedom fighter. Be glad the Dalai Lama is here while you still can! Free Tibet!


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 2:49 am ET

A. Smith, Oregon
that's too sad, and we also have a large number evidence that Nanjing people was suffering in the Nanjing Massacre, and i am so surprised that jackson can ignore and deny the truth which is acknowledged by the world according to his own personal experience. we remember the truth not for revenge but for avoiding it happend again.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 2:49 am ET

Lets all support Bin Laden and hope he will kill more Americans...


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 2:50 am ET

The Chinese reason for their great fear of the Dalai Lama is, 'he cheated the Chinese people' ??

The Dalai Lama left-fled the Chinese military and Tibet when he was a young child in the late 1950's. So he somehow cheated the Chinese people as a young child some 50 years ago and that is why China greatly fears him now??

The Dalai Lama appears to live a very modest life style which is befitting his life as a faithful Tibetan Buddhist monk. As the spiritual leader of the Tibetan Buddhist faith, he probably could accord himself nicer threads and at least some updated glasses.

So the spin is he is a con man and cheated the Chinese people some 50 years as a young child? That claim must take a lot of spinning doesn't it?


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 2:51 am ET

@Bai Rui

I saw that same thing on a menu in a Chinese take-out restaurant. I didn't order it because it came with a face and foo yung all over it.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 2:52 am ET

@ Jackson

There are thousands more links I can give you to prove that it happened!!!


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 2:53 am ET

mei ban fa, zhe xie bai chi de mei guo lao xi huan YY, wo men ye na ta men mei you ban fa....


Sadat   February 23rd, 2010 2:53 am ET

I love Bin Laden, I love Dalai


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 2:54 am ET

@jackson
only you kind people who can last forever in american jail with blacks, mexicans and white supermacists can be so rude, ignorant and arrogant


Jackson   February 23rd, 2010 2:55 am ET

i know. they claim tibet was always a part of China yet at the same time saw him as a leader that needed to be overthrown.

Did you all know what China did to the Panchen Lama. They kidnapped a 10 year old boy. They fear him because he appoints the next Dalai Lama. What kind of coward imprisons a 10 year old?! anyway the whole world supports Tibet, this is shown by the fact that all over the world thousands flock to hear the Dalai lama speak, support Tibetan groups, and leaders meet with him. Sorry Chinese, you have utterly failed to take down the proud Tibetan people. Free Tibet!


Dalai Lier   February 23rd, 2010 2:55 am ET

He is just a lier, I think you guys should leave these things to chinese themselves. After all, it`s none of your business!


In Judd   February 23rd, 2010 2:56 am ET

Dalai is the cults leader


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 2:56 am ET

@ Jackson
So bomb or other weapon is forbidden in China. Why will Tibet got them?

Obviously, from your dear America~

US government is just want use Tibet to make Chinese government bend to them, just like Japanese. So what US do is use the "Freedom" to make Tibet be against to Chinese government.

I know you are not Chinese, you will never worry about that. But everyone, please look at the map, all the thinks happened around china, from Korea nuke, Japan(US's friend), Diaoyu Island Problem, Taiwan Problem, South Sea of China Problem, Iraq, Iran, now Tibet! US is always behind!


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 2:57 am ET

@ yuki February 23rd, 2010 2:49 am ET

Lets all support Bin Laden and hope he will kill more Americans...

--------–

You must be a child or very young and inexperienced!

War is horrible now matter how you slice it! The horrendous atrocities by man to man is outrageous!!!


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 2:57 am ET

@jackson
and there are also lots of links proving the fraudulent feature of so called "911" why don't you find some for us


Jackson   February 23rd, 2010 2:58 am ET

yuki, links on websites prove little. where are the bodies from the so called Nanjing Massacre? they don't exist. who gains from promoting such lies: answer the CCP by formenting nationalism. every chinese says look what Japan supposedly did to China, but did anyone ever realize what China did to Japan?


Mark Weber   February 23rd, 2010 3:00 am ET

Jackson, I've been reading over your posts. I admire your bravery in facing off against the chinese on here. It proves that the power of one can defeat many evil people. I too have been to China and saw it's racism. I too realize Tibet belongs to Tibetans. All you Chinese on here should be ashamed.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 3:01 am ET

@ Jackson

What did China do to Japan?

All I saw was nuclear bomb been dropped in Japan....


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 3:02 am ET

@Dodie

Unfortunately, the 911 case is not made by Bin Laden, but US government themselves.


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 3:02 am ET

@jackson
Ha, way to go American,you hide behand a over 60 years old monk to control him to interrupt Chinese policy and territory. don't you feel sorry to that poor old monk??


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 3:04 am ET

@ Jackson

What did China do to Japan?

we spent hundreds of thousands of peoples lives, just because Japan wanted to brag our land!

we give up the reparations which established the japanese economics


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 3:05 am ET

@jackson
what China did to japan??
we didn't rape japanese girls in their own country, how about you american??


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 3:05 am ET

@ Jayson

Not all Americans believe that 9/11 has anything to do with Bin Laden. Some of us do read...


CNN莫装B   February 23rd, 2010 3:05 am ET

wo chao ni ma gebee , chao ni ma gebee ,ni ma gebee , ma gebee , gebee , bee 


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 3:07 am ET

@dodie
so please read more about Tibet and China history


Ann G   February 23rd, 2010 3:08 am ET

@jackson

Who do u think u are that u can send me to jail? and did u just threatened me in return? Come to China with your attitude and let's see what happens. Don't under estimate people with ur own stupid thoughts. We are one of the main victorious countries in WWII and we always will be!


Elva   February 23rd, 2010 3:08 am ET

Do you foreigners really know the history of Tibet?! Do you foreigners really know the truth?! 为什么你们总是喜欢没事找事做?!我们中国很和平,请不要搞破坏!! 狗拿耗子多管闲事~~~~ 美国请不要太自大,中国古语有云:盛极必衰!!!!


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 3:08 am ET

America helped protect China from Japan in the buildup to WW2 with its Tiger aircraft and brave pilots.

In the early 1980's during the Reagan-Bush Sr. administration, America permitted the world commodity pricing of Silver to exceed 100 dollars an oz. even thou they could have immediately shut-down the exchange of Silver on the world's market until they rounded up the two brothers that briefly attempted to seize control over the majority of the worlds Silver Stockpile.

China was by all accounts a poor nation then, sitting on a huge stockpile of SILVER. Nearly overnight America had helped convert China from a relatively poor nation into a wealthy nation.

Now America is asking China for help with dealing with North Korea and Iran's nuclear ambitions.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 3:09 am ET

@ zhu

OK what should be read... exactly! give me a URL and I will read it!


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 3:11 am ET

這幾個美國人的YY功力不得不佩服。。
大家繼續,我休息去了


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 3:11 am ET

Every Chinese here, my sisters, my brothers, I really thank you for fighting for our nation!

EVERYONE! REMEMBER! We are not afraid of anyone.
Taiwan, Diaoyu Island, Tibet, Sinkiang are always A PART OF CHINA!

US's conspiracy to separate China will never ever succeed!

We are all here. We love our sisters and brothers.

One day, US will know, they make a wrong choice to be against the Chinese government!


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 3:12 am ET

@Dodie
as a wise man as you, don't just read the report from media, it's gonna cause bias, you could listen to more comment and opinion from Chinese people like us


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 3:13 am ET

Cajazz76:24:8,

No offense. I thought you were Chinese. What I said was "there are two zhangs"


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 3:14 am ET

@ Jayson, Russia has mega tons of bioweapons, and likely so does America. It would be a grave mistake to militarily attack America or Russia for the entire Chinese continent.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 3:16 am ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon

don't under estimate the power of the Chinese either


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 3:17 am ET

@dodie
after all, we are the people living in that country and environment,since we also have the experience of living oversea, i think our feeling tell us the truth, the life in China is as good as that in anyother westen developed countries, truly, i love my country


henry   February 23rd, 2010 3:18 am ET

i'am tianyaer~~wower~~~~~一人一句灌死cnn


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 3:18 am ET

@ zhu

I read CCTV and again because it is in English, I am sure it has some type of slant. I watch CCTV and their program 'Dialogue' which is excellent. I am always looking to other country's in order to obtain a non bias view. That is why I know Bin Laden had nothing to do with 9/11. I suspect who did, but I will not say that here.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 3:19 am ET

I kind of look at the Dalai Lama the same way most American's were looking at MLK in the 1960's. He was a threat to the one-sided views the majority of whites and the local, state, and federal governments had toward blacks.

The paranoia that they would take over everything was rampant. Granted the mind set is still there, but there has been a revolutionary change in the way America has progressed.

If you told anyone, black or white, that in 40 years we would have a black president you may have ended up in the trunk of a car in the bottom of a lake.

China is in a constant state of paranoia, and her people young, old and indifferent are conditioned to see things the way the government see it. China has good people, just not good government.


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 3:19 am ET

美国对中国文化的曲解,意识的渗透,早就已经开始了,如果大家有机会,可以去baidu百科查十条诫令。
现在中国虽然被美国的棋子团团围住,但不代表中国会屈服。
兄弟姐妹们,我们终将胜利,美国人最怕的就是中国人勤劳刻苦,坚韧不拔的精神。
中国堂堂13亿人口不会被小小的美国分裂,那种只知道赚钱,赚不来就抢的国家政权职能有一时的辉煌。
我知道在这里的朋友大多都和我一样是海外留学生,但我依旧为中国政府所支持的学生会工作。
在国内的同胞可能不语老外有太多的沟通,但在国外我们更要有中国的样子,我们在世界人面前代表中国,我们虽然寂寞,但我们不孤独,世界各地的中国人与我们同在,我们就应该站起来,告诉那些危害中国的国家“你们是不会得逞的!”


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 3:20 am ET

I hope that America, China and other country's around the world come to realize it takes far more strength, courage and faith to live in peace and harmony as typified by the Dalai Lama's credo and example than to be at war and leaving nothing but death and destruction as a legacy.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 3:20 am ET

@Bai Rui

LOL...thank you very much..no offense taken..I hope you feel the same when you read the above blog.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 3:21 am ET

@ zhu

I have a home in Dalian, China. China is developing a middle class business people very quickly. I am very impressed with China and the changes it has made. But mind you, when China was angry at Microsoft, I could not get my e mail for 2 weeks because I was blocked from my hotmail account... owned by Microsoft. Can you say very negative things you feel about your government on an open forum like this? I don't think so. Not yet!


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 3:22 am ET

天涯的朋友們繼續。。。。。。
北美的朋友們差不多是時候休息了。。。。


In Judd   February 23rd, 2010 3:22 am ET

Dalai ! ! Pig

Dalai is a pig


vege   February 23rd, 2010 3:24 am ET

So many people are so blind. The comments here are like jokes - *GeriGreene: The word "free" is really abused especially in the US. Don't forget your president and government are trying to control finance, insurance... and more and more national issues. Obama's meeting Dalai is just a typical example of America's election politics. *Karma: The current poll is only 60K. Do you think a poll machine is necessary here? For any poll like this, over 90% of Chinese will say No. *Dodie: Just check out these facts: Dalai was the vice Chairman of the People's Delegation Committee in China before 1959, and his fleeing from China was supported by CIA.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 3:24 am ET

@Bai Rui

Are two Zhangs like my now deceased Grandmother. She had more Chins, than a Chinese phone book.


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 3:25 am ET

Our government is good enough. It needs much improvement, but none of your governments could have accomplished what ours did.


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 3:26 am ET

Jackson 你是不是经济学专业的? 你娶罗玉凤为妻吧 这样你就会用国际视野来看这个世界,才知道美国是多么的黑暗 多么的邪恶。。。我太累了。。都凌晨两天半了。。谁好心的话可以帮我翻译给那位朋友。。。


Yang   February 23rd, 2010 3:26 am ET

达赖是什么??恬不知耻的奴隶主而已。这种小孑孓根本翻不起大浪。


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 3:27 am ET

no other government can do better than ours when it comes to feeding 1.3 billion people!!


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 3:27 am ET

@ Bai Rui, you are correct, how many millions died under Mao's oppression-cultural expression?


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 3:27 am ET

@ Bai Rui

Every country in the world has its good points and its bad points. No country is perfect! No government is perfect! NONE!!! Not yours, mine or any other country!


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 3:28 am ET

Actually, I take it back.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 3:28 am ET

東岸的朋友真的可以休息了。。。都累了。。西岸的朋友們繼續。。。
撐不住了還有天涯跟貓撲呢。。。


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 3:30 am ET

smith,

If you only look at the bad side, I have no comment.

Dodie,

I didn't say CCP is perfect.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 3:30 am ET

@ yuki

And the Gobi desert is encroaching on Beijing and soon you will lose a lot of land used in feeding your people.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 3:30 am ET

@ yuki, I guess those homeless dog round-up's go a long ways?


Yang   February 23rd, 2010 3:30 am ET

Dalai is a slave-owner. This kind of small mosquito larva cannot turn the very rough seas.


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 3:30 am ET

@Dodie
i appreciate your response. anyway, all governments made mistakes, we are not saying our government is the best, but neither is yours. furthermore, it's good to comment on governments behavious. even in china we discuss a lot if governmenrt did something wrong, however it's nothing to do with country's territory. Tibet belongs to china is the historical truth


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 3:31 am ET

我貌似是东岸的~ 真是~ 睡了。。。明天组团来!话说 国内能上?


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 3:32 am ET

國內能上。。。剛才來了個天涯的。。。


henry   February 23rd, 2010 3:33 am ET

i don't like CCP,but i love China .Tibet is China's inherent territory


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 3:33 am ET

TIBET WAS IS AND WILL ALWAYS BE A PART OF CHINA


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 3:34 am ET

At least China is working hard on its population control, I never understood nations that have very little gross national products that have so many starving children, you'd think the parents were rabbits!


zhu   February 23rd, 2010 3:34 am ET

我也睡了,撑不住了,大家加油


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 3:35 am ET

天涯,貓撲的朋友們加油。。。我也睡了。。。


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 3:35 am ET

@ zhu

you are correct. I knew I became accepted into the zhang family as they would discuss issues never discussed with outsiders. Chinese culture is to keep their feelings within the family!!! It is where I have learned a lot about china... from the Chinese born and raised in China. This allows for clearer vision. Better understanding. Personally, I feel the US should stay out of China/Tibet issues unless there are mass killings...


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 3:36 am ET

@Bai Rui

I sent a blog for your and your friends, have you read it? Give me your opinion..


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 3:37 am ET

In time, China will leave Tibet. Fewer and fewer Chinese will be inclined by order or bribes to move to Tibet and will finally leave Tibet permanently.


jason   February 23rd, 2010 3:38 am ET

in fact,i dont like CCP ,but i love China,too.So the question about whether yes or no is the thing belong to Chinese.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 3:39 am ET

Canada might take the gold for ice skating! They did an excellent job! Congratulations Canada!


Vivian   February 23rd, 2010 3:39 am ET

Tibet had slavery before 1950. The Chinese government spent a lot of time and money to improve the well-being of the Tibeten people.


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 3:40 am ET

Cajazz76:24:8

sorry was there a link??


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 3:42 am ET

@Bai Rui

It's above Jayson's paragraph's which are in the Chinese script.


Vivian   February 23rd, 2010 3:42 am ET

I agree with this saying "I feel the US should stay out of China/Tibet issues unless there are mass killings...".


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 3:43 am ET

@ smith

in time, Chinese people and their habits will be in every corners of the world.

.......We already are.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 3:44 am ET

Well done America's Meryl Davis and Charlie White, a Silver Olympic metal for your first Olympics ice dancing competition, well done!


Caesar   February 23rd, 2010 3:45 am ET

You American ID10TS!


bobo   February 23rd, 2010 3:46 am ET

WE LOVE CHINA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
中国加油!


Windy   February 23rd, 2010 3:48 am ET

Tibet was, is and always will be one part of China.


Cao ni ma meiguo sha bi   February 23rd, 2010 3:48 am ET

美国人无知到极点,有些人无知到居然不知道台湾人和大陆人都会讲同一种语言,也有的美国人认为韩国人就是中国人(这个好像是对的)。还有傻逼觉得长江在印度!!美国脑残


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 3:49 am ET

@ Vivian

If there are mass killings, the US should go in with the United Nations... not alone!

I hope that never happens. Mass killings is horrific for any country!

You will find that many Americans prefer to keep our noses out of other country's business.


Vivian   February 23rd, 2010 3:49 am ET

I am a Chinese, currently studying in the US.

I have some friends and relatives who have worked in Tibet in the past thirty years. They worked in primary schools and hospitals there. They spent their most beautiful years in Tibet, teaching the Tibetan kids and saving the Tibetan people's lives.

These are facts, from my own experience.

Besides, in China, the Tibetan people enjoy some privileges. For example, they can add 50 points to their College Entrance Exam, which means that they have more chance to get higher education.

What else can I say.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 3:49 am ET

@ Bai Rui, I wish there were more Chinese people here in Oregon. I have to travel to San Francisco to their China town to really feel engaged by the Asian people.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 3:50 am ET

@Bai Rui....Jayson..Yuki......Zhu

I have said this in many ways. In most corner's of the world the fear of the unknown control's the masses, government through law enforcement compliment's that. Man's first enemy was his fear. His first invention to combat that fear was his God. In those regions where religion is not practiced from cradle to grave, government instills fear to control the masses.


Vivian   February 23rd, 2010 3:53 am ET

@ Dodie

Then leave this independence issue to the United Nations as well...


Liu Hongru   February 23rd, 2010 3:57 am ET

Our government is good enough. It needs much improvement, but none of your governments could have accomplished what ours did.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 3:57 am ET

@ Vivian

When one takes a step back and look at the situation. The view is never all good or all bad in any given situation. Yes, China has helped Tibet in some ways too. I really hope that China and Tibet can work things out. I would like to go back to Tibet this year and not worry about a war breaking out! lol

Good night everyone. Enjoyed listening to others share their experience. I have to work in 6 hours from now!

My wish for this world is: Peace for all!


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 4:04 am ET

Goodnight Dodie, thank you for your insights and input in joining us tonight!


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 4:05 am ET

I agree partly. A lot of Chinese youth have never spent more than classroom time on Chinese history or politics. There are people who don't care about politics whatsoever. There are also blinded nationalists, who are quite ignorant, knows very little other than slogans and what the government/ newspaper/ other people promotes.

However I don't think China is "a state of paranoia". The priority of CCP is domestic stabilization. CCP and its people are new to being exposed to the internationals, the economic progress had made us confident yet the unknown makes us uncertain. Chinese people are not enthusiastic about CCP, but when confronting a counterpart, America in this case, the collective nature of Chinese(or Asian people in general) (also patriotism/nationalism ) people tend to unite our opinions. As what we learned: "Unity is strength" .

Regarding Dalai Lama, there were not enough communications. Other then that the CCP is being too sensitive for reasons I have explained earlier.
He is visiting my University in August, I really want more Chinese international students to hear what he has to say. However unfortunately I will graduate before then.


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 4:06 am ET

I agree partly. A lot of Chinese youth have never spent more than classroom time on Chinese history or politics. There are people who don't care about politics whatsoever. There are also blinded nationalists, who are quite ignorant, knows very little other than slogans and what the government/ newspaper/ other people promotes.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 4:08 am ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon

Thanks... enjoyed reading your posts! Always a pleasure.

I hope people from other countries will blog more often here. I really enjoy listening to what they have to say.. well maybe that would be reading what they have to say... lol Good Night!


nash, oregon   February 23rd, 2010 4:09 am ET

Another CYBER ATTACK on CNN by chinese authorities doing fraudulent change in poll vote...
Guys fun fact is that the CNN and Youtube is being banned to chinese civilians. so as list goes on..
Dalia lama only asked for meaningful autonomy for tibet and china got offended by his peace travel around the round..Y so?


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 4:10 am ET

cajazz

i have understood the fear theory long time ago when american college girls don't dare to even look at me in my eyes.


Sallustius   February 23rd, 2010 4:14 am ET

For our safety, we will never give up Tibet and Xinjiang. And we must take back Taiwan. The world will be in peace and safe only when China leading it. Frankly, Whites are not trustable.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:17 am ET

@Bai Rui

Damn..you got it...why? You are in their bible..you do understand that, correct?


Luis B Rosario   February 23rd, 2010 4:19 am ET

China will never take it lightly if we interfere with Tibet as they
believe that we are doing in Taiwan. Eventually China will
put more pressure on Dalai Lama because divorce will cost
China some economic loss. As for returning Texas back
to Mexico. You don't have to worry because 1/4 Mexicans
are back in Texas. By 2030 nearly 1/2 of suburban Mexico
will move to Texas and Texans will be free to stroll to Mexico.
More Mexicans will populate California, Colorado, New Mexico
and Arizona. By the time they get to Chicago and New York,
and Florida, I will be sleeping." Some Indian politicians
and gamblers will get enough money from Obama to open
more gambling casinos in Indian reservations where these
same Indians will become millionaires while the low class
Indians will continue to starve and drink moonshine in the
Appalachian mountains while Americans and foreign tourists
flock to the Hard Rock Cafe in Tampa, Connecticut and
upstate, N.Y. , to gamble all their money and use plastic to
roll the 'Wheel of fortune.." Bring me another double and a
White Russian without Kahlua.," please.
Salute to Dalai Lama and long live the man to argue
against suppression and opression with discretion. Tibet
is still a long way from independence but at least it should
be able to stem off some of the vfiolence and fear related to
annexation.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:22 am ET

@Bai Rui

We are a nation of many races, Caucasian being dominant. Those college girls that shunned you, no doubt, were white. Hey, it had been only 38 years since Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger opened the doors of the U.S. to China after China first opened their doors to the U.S. It all will change in time for the better, or we will all perish from this earth........ together.


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 4:22 am ET

Not the bible part. Why am I in their bible?


nash, oregon   February 23rd, 2010 4:26 am ET

@larry..
the question should be asked to tibetans in tibet and around the world. the truth will be known..or else the poll creates hatred between unknown individuals who just type anything comes in mind just like 5th grade student ..
so the tibetan people decides..not westerners,nor middle east and none of chinese..
but its is almost far in the future to get a good data from tibet due to restriction by chinese govt..So the thing is either u support for free tibet or just keep quite..

om ma ne ped me hun


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:30 am ET

@Bai Rui

Don't think that American people are siding with the Dalai Lama because he has great influence in this country. They know very little about him..very, very little. What they see is a man of 'religion' appearing very welcoming and docile. He been a leach on the people of Tibet and the people of India and the religious fanatics of this country. Why, we have that deep fear of the unknown...what happens too us when we die. We, in the majority of our religions are told of an after life. Who would want that?
An eternal life...some greedy sop that if he can't take it with him, he's not going.


Grace   February 23rd, 2010 4:31 am ET

Tibet was,is and always be a part of China.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:32 am ET

@Bai Rui

The Bible says the 'yellow race' will rule...boo! scares the hell out of everybody!...funny, yes...


Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia   February 23rd, 2010 4:33 am ET

@A.Smith, Oregon

Always happy o read your vews. Prolific as ever.
I read every postings on Larry's blog to gain knowledge and insight.
I also want to hone my writing skills aside from exchanging thoughts with you all.
Ms Smith, you wrote about Muslim men basing their wives in the previous blog on Tiger Woods.
Please read my explanation to your wrong notion of Islam.
Best cheers.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:36 am ET

@Bai Rui

China has not gone beyond it's border's for centuries to war. They did it all inside their border's. The purging of the 50's and the 60's...by the million's...Even during WWII when the Japanese were slaughtering the people's of China the rest of the world slaughtered 50-70 million. China remained within its border's...all other warring nation's did not.


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 4:37 am ET

Cajazz,

First of all thanks for replying all this time.

I didn't really get what you meant by Dalai Lama leading an eternal life. Buddhism in general believes in getting out of the revolving cycle. that is, celestial life in the end. All the Chinese ppl who argued here know that most Americans who support DL knew very little about him. But they didn't know much about him to begin with, either.


DQ   February 23rd, 2010 4:41 am ET

Do u americans know how did some chinese young people think about?
Iron and Blood, makes enemy shut up.
The worst way, let nuke destroy this planet.
even one PLA general's said:
"we can destroy the biggest 50 cities of us in the cost of a half of China east to Xi'an"
I don't wanna that happen, really.
But please, dont lead us to that way.


Xiaoxiang Bao   February 23rd, 2010 4:41 am ET

As a Chinese, I strongly oppose the Dalai Lama to speak to split China, and strongly demands apology from CNN on the global


TY-Tanhualang   February 23rd, 2010 4:44 am ET

I am Chinese.

I think human right means let Chinese people decide whether Dalai Lama is guilty or not, let Chinese people decide whether Tibet is STILL a part of China; respect means you American people who declare "HUMAN RIGHT, RESPECT" could DISCUSS this issue in Chinese, so that most Chinese could visit here and write down what they are thinking about it; freedom means we Chinese do not need to see you "preciding" a voting about Chinese issue.

You know, no matter what happens in the future, currently Tibet is still a part of China. Please, do let us make decision by ourselves.

Do you wanna say that our eyes have been covered by the medias held by our government? Then how about you? You also have your own view due to your medias. Are you sure that yours are telling you the truth eps when it's related with ugly politics?

BTW, althouth having had biz trip to some other countries, although listening to VOA and watching BBC sometimes, I still love China.

I respect you people, so here I write in English. Below is for Chinese people who'd like to visit here.

我是天涯人,本来都淡定了但突然觉得不开心,为什么美国人口头上号称着所谓的“民主、自由”,却在同时来干涉中国的内政,在这里进行所谓的“选举”决定是否把中国的领土分离出去。

以此类推,我们可以在中国的新闻网上很欢乐的进行选举,把美国的一个州甚或多个分出去吗?

己所不欲勿施于人。

各位天涯的同学下午好:)

PS: 拿钱发帖死全家,祖宗牌位被雷劈。


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:45 am ET

@Bai Rui

We know China dies not wish to rule the world. Hell, they spend only 70 billion dollar's on their defense...We spend 682 billion dollars. I don't have to tell you, as of this year, China is the world's leading economic power. So far, China is improving life for its 1.33 billion people faster than any other nation in history. One big problem....CORRUPTION...It could reverse progress, depending who is in charge of your government. The Taiwan issue...came about because of corruption in Kai-Chang's government.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 4:45 am ET

@ Cajazz76:24:8, actually Nixon was pushed into opening relations with China. Russia had become very alarmed when China began building a nuclear weapon and had decided on a decisive first strike using all of its nuclear arsenal that it had built at that time on China.

Russia sent high level envoys to the White House in hopes that America would butt out and not become involved in what Russia felt was a strong dispute between two neighbors. SO, Russia informed Nixon they intended to decisively Nuke China in a first strike. China at that time was very ill prepared for any nuclear attack and would have grievously suffered great losses.

Nixon did the unexpected, he immediately opened up diplomatic inroads with China and swiftly became the first US President to officially visit China. In doing so he sent a strong message to Russia not to attack China because of paranoia about China's military ambitions.

Don't forget this act of compassion by America, CHINA. We saved your butts, literally. Many of the current Chinese bloggers wouldn't be here today if America had just let Russia nuke China back in the 70's.

@ Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia, tomorrow, I'll review why you feel the Koran doesn't OK Muslim men beating the hell out of their Muslim wives and the Muslim deity stating that is OK by him.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:52 am ET

@Bai Rui

Christinan, Moslem, and Jewish religions have an after life...Buddhism..is the latter when you combine the three....remember I am looking into your China as you look out...


Bai Rui   February 23rd, 2010 4:53 am ET

Haha Cajazz I can talk Taiwan forever! However I have East Asian Politics exam in 8 hours. Let's say Taiwan issue is really a match between China and US, it's not even about democracy. It's about its location is what I think.

Corruption is nothing comparing with nuclear crisis.

Love to hear more on Taiwan! not tonight though.

contact me at bair@muohio.edu or not~~ I'll check back on this page


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:57 am ET

@A.Smith

China has had nuclear weaponssince the late 50's ...Nixon didn't visit until 1972..The Chinese were testing radiation fallout with calvary charging into the blast on horseback..with gas masks on both riders and horses. The victim's numbered into the ten's of thousands..they were not part of the purge under Tse Dong.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 5:01 am ET

@ Bai Rui

Let's discuss it another time..but remember Kai-Shek set up his last stand there on his own,,again due to corruption...and absolutely...it the location..location...location the U.S. in interested in...another time...You have your ducks in a row...good luck...gong hai fa choi, as well


Commy   February 23rd, 2010 5:03 am ET

PRC help the people in tibet overthrow the autocratic govern of Dalai Lama, help the people in tibet develop their economic and education.I really can't understand why a president of a democratic nation would meet an ex-ruler of an autocratic government. And I feel funny about a tyrant who enslaved tibet people 50 years ago talk about "human rights".
At last, as our USA is a so called " democratic nation", I hope my comment will not be deleted.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 5:05 am ET

@ Cajazz, again Russia planned a 1st. strike on China. Russia's vast nuclear arsenal would have completely crushed China. Russia informed the White House of its intentions of delivering a first strike on China.

Nixon responded by immediately opening up high level diplomatic inroads with China. Then traveling to China, AND Russia decided against their first strike plan.

The first Chinese atomic bomb, code-named 596, was detonated on October 16, 1964. And how many hundreds did Russia have by 1970?


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 5:10 am ET

Tibet is one part of China !

You have no rights to discuss whether this province can be an independent country or not !

Dalai Lama is a lier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 5:18 am ET

In 1972 the total number of Russian Nuclear weapons was 15,000 and if they were all used in the 1970's as Russia originally intended, China would still be glowing after Sundown! Thankfully, that did not happen.


BX TOM   February 23rd, 2010 5:18 am ET

TIBET IS A PART OF CHINA FOREVER!

DA LAI LA MA IS A LIER!


TYer   February 23rd, 2010 5:18 am ET

CNN Should have more survey like " should New mexico be a independent country " or "should Native Indians take over the United States? "
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I can't agree with U anymore!!!!!!!!!

CNN,don't offend Chinese any more!!!!!!!!!!!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 5:26 am ET

@A.Smith

You are correct on the first nuke test date. Google serves you better than my memory serves me. China would be glowing at sundown...-"Seen one nuclear you've seen them all.anonymous


Zhu Wencheng   February 23rd, 2010 5:29 am ET

Suppose that New York wanted to be independent because someone thought it must be a free country, how do American feel?

As a Chinese, I'm against Dalai, in Western and China, opinions about him are totally converse.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 5:35 am ET

@A.Smith
@Bai Rui

"Seen one nuclear was you've seen them all"-Anonymous


kill gun   February 23rd, 2010 5:40 am ET

Larry king should invite someone from Alaska and talk about free alaska from US.
Dun wanna be american idiot. information controlled by the media.–GREENDAY


Shogun   February 23rd, 2010 6:00 am ET

It's a tragedy.
Should Alabama be an independent country?
Should Alaska be an independent country?
Should Arkansas be an independent country?
Should Delaware be an independent country?
Should Connecticut be an independent country?
Should Florida be an independent country?
Should Distant Hawaii be an independent country?
All Americans would say "no".
And China is China, it isn't Korea.
Stop meddling in China's internal affairs.
Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang they're part of China.


yanyan   February 23rd, 2010 6:06 am ET

I'm from china,my english is bad,so speak chinese,Please translate yourself.
我是在论坛上看到CNN投票的这个消息的,感觉很惊讶,CNN有什么立场来做这个投票?你是代表中国?代表美国?还是代表西藏?真要说投票,也应该是我们中国人来投票,你们美国人越俎代庖来投这个票不是很可笑吗?西藏又不是你们美国的。

我是不希望西藏独立的,我相信大多数的中国人和我的想法是一样的,无论怎么都接受不了。你们美国人自以为很正义的去支持西藏独立,却从来不去想想会给我们的社会带来多少的混乱和不稳定,这完全是把你们的正义建立在我们的痛苦上。美国本身也是一个多民族国家,如果说只因为民族不同就可以独立的话,那为什么美国不让印第安人独立?更何况美洲本来就是印第安人的。

我看到有人说是中国政府用机器刷投票,觉得你很无知,你还真是太小看中国网民的人数了,我经常去的那个论坛,同时在线的人数随随便便就有20多万,不要因为你们人少,所以也觉得我们人少。

最后只想说,真的很反感达赖,为了达到自己的目的不择手段,完全不顾别人的生活和想法。虽然我不知道藏传佛教和小乘佛教有多大的区别,但是作为一个僧侣,却如此执着于权力,真是和中世纪的天主教会没什么区别。


Gwyneth   February 23rd, 2010 6:44 am ET

I am a common office worker from China.

I have a university schoolmate.She comes from Tibet province.

She told me that her grandpa's parents and grands were slaves when Dalai Lama in Tibet.

Dalai Lama's policy is SLAVES AND THEIR GENERATIONS HAVE NO RIGHTS FOR EDUCATION.

So her grandpa's parents and grands are all illiterates even cannot read and write their own names.

She said:"As a slave generation,education is a kind of luxury."


natalie   February 23rd, 2010 6:49 am ET

please... Chinese machines?


Trac   February 23rd, 2010 7:24 am ET

why not come to Tibet and see the truth?Why u guys believe in a man who have never set foot on the land for more than 40 years?Believe in your eyes! No freedom of religion in China?That`s ridiculous!
语言之苍白啊~要是看得懂中文~那必然给之口若悬河一个!欺负英语不好~激励自己好好学英语啊


jackson   February 23rd, 2010 7:26 am ET

Free Tibet!


ZX   February 23rd, 2010 7:37 am ET

HHHHH...laughing!!!!!Americans is a crowd of pigs which don't have their own minds! Americans!!!!!!! U TNINK WHO U R,superman???HHHHH...U R a crowd of pigs which don't have their own minds....DALAI Lama don't forget where is ur root.


Love peace   February 23rd, 2010 7:56 am ET

Actually, presendent Obama can have a private meet with Dalai Lama.
His action will sharp the contradictions with China. Though America is powerful, he cannot ignore the feelings of the 13 hundred millions of people. We are now in a peaceful world. Why Obama did such things to break the friedly relationship with China!


dimpoken   February 23rd, 2010 8:16 am ET

@Dodie
Who is the real Tibetan? Because the other side of the planet can say that they thought in English, and almost impossible. Only subversive person.


DATOUGUI   February 23rd, 2010 8:21 am ET

jackson February 23rd, 2010 7:26 am ET

Free Tibet!
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獨你個大頭鬼,做你個大頭夢。


Jefferson Hamilton Davis   February 23rd, 2010 8:36 am ET

Free Confederate States of America!!!!!

Deo Vindice!!!!


Andrea   February 23rd, 2010 8:41 am ET

dalai lama cons on the situation of tibet
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jackson February 23rd, 2010 7:26 am ET

Free Tibet!
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獨你個大頭鬼,做你個大頭夢。
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獨你個大頭鬼,做你個大頭夢。


BUJJ   February 23rd, 2010 8:54 am ET

Free Tibet is improssable! Beacuse Tibet is one part of China! The problem of Tibet can be solved by China NOT AMERICA!!!!!!!! Obama met with the Dalai Lama would undermine the Chinese people's feelings!!And it is a violation of the sovereignty of a sovereign State!!Handling of the Tibet issue is China's internal affairs!!We should follow the five principles!!America wants to help Dalai Lama to split China is waste time!!China's sovereignty and can not be violated!!!


杯仔   February 23rd, 2010 8:57 am ET

occupied 侬则头 ,美国宁哪能噶13额,侬大概比吾还要请桑西藏额历史,吾告诉侬吾高考是选历史额,TIBET现在过去将来都是阿拉中国额,美国宁关侬P事,阿里的凉快到阿里的起。


zzha   February 23rd, 2010 8:59 am ET

天涯的来了,
Free Hawaii, free california!
I thinks americans already forgot the vietnam war.
It is nothing to do with USA。
If americans really care about the Tibetan people, repay the money we lend u, we can do more things in Tibet now.

Please repay the money you own the world.


Peter   February 23rd, 2010 9:04 am ET

Free Tibet?
Free TEXAS!!!


Xin   February 23rd, 2010 9:04 am ET

Americans always regard themself as infallible. May I ask, can you speak chinese, do you really know chinese histroy? I'm sorry, you don't! Some of you even do not know where Tibet is in CHINA.
Americans discuss Chinese internal affairs? Why not vote on "Should California be an independent country?" first. I think CNN and some of Americians are self-abusing now. OK, keep listenning what is Dalai Liar saying and keep ingnoring what most chinese people is thinking.


chinese   February 23rd, 2010 9:07 am ET

CNN is stupid,the EU people came to American, and killed thousands of Indian, after than, Washington build the United States, and told China, Japan, Korea, India, and all of the world, we are human right, we have human rights.
And after two hundred years, the united state told the entire world, Iraq is autocratic country, and have chemistry weapon, so stupid, after about four and five years, The united State still cannot find any chemistry weapon on Iraq.
And now, The U.S think china is one of threat of U.S, and try to help Dalai to destroy China, but if you are really human right, you should know, during the Dalai rule Tibet, it is a slavery society, Dalai don’t want government to withdrawal his privilege, so escape from China, because actually, he is slave owner, slaveholder ,
The stupid CNN


MELEI   February 23rd, 2010 9:08 am ET

-_-;;;
oh plz~~ Dailailama?? who is he??
A lama? I can't see any Buddha nature Taghagatagarba from him~
Free Tibet?? And he could be the emperor of Tibet and have lots of slaves yet, right? Maybe this is what he really wants~hahahaha~~: D

ps: 天涯淫小心滴飘过~~~~


Ted   February 23rd, 2010 9:08 am ET

And as the evening came to end they all hit the sack in the belief they proved the superiority of their knowledge and showed the others how misguided they are.

Great and intelligent arguments except of those who couldn´t even read their high school diplomas.
If you don´t know anything you should not let the whole world know it!


may   February 23rd, 2010 9:08 am ET

莫装逼,装逼遭雷劈。


yanfei   February 23rd, 2010 9:10 am ET

China is China.only one !别妄想藏独了!


TY   February 23rd, 2010 9:24 am ET

OK,if Dalai Lama want to free Tibet,please come back and talk to Chinases people.Go everywhere around the world but China .You aren't a Chinese?You aren't love Tibet?There is no idea of China on you!

你們美國人憑什麼對中國指手畫腳。
我呸。。。

不是搞投票么?那幹嘛反對的多了,又撤掉?

中國人才有權利決定西藏獨立與否,與美國人一半點關係都沒。
還在這裡搞投票。真是笑死人。

還說啥不相信中國歷史。是的,不勞你們。
中國歷史我們自己會牢記,
我們的痛與血,我們自己會牢記!!

I love China~~~


天涯一分子   February 23rd, 2010 9:31 am ET

打到美帝,不许粗暴干涉我国内政!


天涯一分子   February 23rd, 2010 9:33 am ET

支持纽约独立!纽约独立万岁!


Junpeng Jia   February 23rd, 2010 9:39 am ET

Western country never know information clearer than people in Western China. DO NOT BELIEVE ANY MEDIAS BOTH IN C's GOV AND YOURS! See it WITH YOUR OWN EYES! Do you love Big Brother, huh?

P.S.: Don't look down upon Chinese net users! The vode was noticed in Xiaonei, and then The "NO" enlarge to a learger level of 10%. Of course we know G[I love]F[Big Brother]W sucks!


kcuf   February 23rd, 2010 9:42 am ET

操你妈了个逼达赖!别让老子见到你。否则,老子把你肠子拉出来绞死你,把你尸体倒挂在旗杆上。真是他妈傻逼。也不知道是谁在中国成立的时候写诗赞扬毛泽东,把他夸得跟花似的。中共当年没少照顾你,你他妈先在又出来闹事。牛逼你来中国。看你他妈的不被人日死。骂你傻逼你应该高兴,这是对你的夸奖。说实话,骂你傻逼都他妈玷污了这个词。


天涯一分子   February 23rd, 2010 9:46 am ET

CNN应该举行美联邦解体投票


李冠明   February 23rd, 2010 9:46 am ET

No one but the Tibetan have the right to decite this!Just ask the Tibetan! Tibet is and alway is a part of china!You stupid CNN!


天涯一分子   February 23rd, 2010 9:47 am ET

讨厌达赖老秃驴


MLGBCNN   February 23rd, 2010 9:55 am ET

you R all liars!!!!
we've been tired of all the tricks you nuts American play!!!
OPEN YOUR EYES TO SEE THE REAL CHINA AND WORLD!!
IF YOU CAN'T,JUST SHUT UP AND KEEP QUIET 4EVER
cnn,MLGB不解释,just go to hell


Chinesse   February 23rd, 2010 9:56 am ET

To America:
Tibet is b,elonged to China all the time. none of your business, how about talking about if ALASK is a independent country?


Pedestrian   February 23rd, 2010 9:59 am ET

If the Dalai Lama really wants Tibet to be independent, he is really not working hard enough. The government he should be negotiating with is the Chinese government. But noooo. He goes all over the world talking about his thoughts. Telling even lies in the US and everywhere he goes. As a noble prize winner, he should be facing the problem head on instead of running to others and trying to make others feel sorry. The Chinese government has been providing a lot of support to Tibet and I don't see a reason why Tibet needs to be independent in the first place. Even if they do, they need to talk to the Chinese government!


joy   February 23rd, 2010 10:01 am ET

The roll is not controlled by the government, I can honestly say.
Any issue involves independent Tibet will enrage Chinese people. We love our motherland. It is heartfelt wishes. As the roll is so senstitive, the link is wildly spread on the social webs and BBS.
You Americans, don't prentend to be judging, because you are so so so so so so ignorant!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Venaca Eichler   February 23rd, 2010 10:08 am ET

Well as an American travelling in China I want to express my own interpretation briefly.
In China you can always hear Govt. voices. But when I was travelling in Tibet I can see nearly no conflicts between Hans and Tibetans.
Well because of the environment there not so many hans can get used to the plateau so high.
So I think both sides stated both truth and lies. We must use our own eyes to seek it.
And I believe it's not a good way for Americans to interfere. As the failure and problems of the Iraq wars, we must find some peace ways to negotiate a treaty. But I think it's not so possible for Tibet to get independent as I find that few Tibetans believe in Lama now and the facilities in Tibet are mostly funded by Govt. Without govt. Tibetans might have insufficient fund to have development.
Maybe we Americans can fund them, but what good can we get?


shame on CNN   February 23rd, 2010 10:16 am ET

CNN Should have more survey like " should New mexico be a independent country " or "should Native Indians take over the United States? "
--------------------------
i totally agree with that!
if CNN wanna show liberty and fair, u should do these first.
some people have never been to China, they didn't speak to those native people face to face, they just heard sth from others, read news from media and believed those information was true, don't even think about it by themselves.
it's truly a tragedy.

if u never been to tibet how dare u say people in tibet are unhappy with government and want to "free"?


Venaca Eichler   February 23rd, 2010 10:18 am ET

@A.Smith
Your name is interesting. Agent Smith?
Well I would make a suggestion that... Well I think you can have a travelling in Tibet next time. It's a wonderful experience and can help you know the truth. The slavery really existed in the old time. But many of that generation had died, and Lama is really a long-live politician.


Hanne   February 23rd, 2010 10:22 am ET

唉、、、喇嘛筒子啊。。。假借宣传藏独,行旅游之实。。。lama 真是太不厚道啦!!!那可是藏族同胞的血汗钱呐,,,拿着这些香火钱也不嫌嗑得慌。。。直线思维的美国筒子。。你们真是善良啊博爱到家了,自己家的事不管管好,,还到处没事找事,闲得慌啊!!!sorry..MY English is very poor..please transport by yourself!!!
唉。。。开学啦要,回校恶补英语去,,纠结。。。
天涯滴筒子到此一游!!!


bobo   February 23rd, 2010 10:22 am ET

I am ashamed of what CNN has done ! Dalai Lama can not represents all Tibetan! Let alone the whole Tibet ! Tibet is and for ever is one part of China !


dimpoken   February 23rd, 2010 10:25 am ET

lobsang ngodup
如果你生长在中国,你就不会这样想了。西藏那样贫瘠的地方,为什么我没给他们解放?难道这不是最好的自由?


dimpoken   February 23rd, 2010 10:28 am ET

lobsang ngodup
你知道西藏底层人民的情况吗?50年前的很现在的比,你觉得他们还会继续做奴隶?被压迫?早生70年我也会去解放。


rhada   February 23rd, 2010 10:33 am ET

It's a tragedy.
Should Alabama be an independent country?
Should Alaska be an independent country?
Should Arkansas be an independent country?
Should Delaware be an independent country?
Should Connecticut be an independent country?
Should Florida be an independent country?
Should Distant Hawaii be an independent country?
All Americans would say "no".
And China is China, it isn't Korea.
Stop meddling in China's internal affairs.
Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang they're part of China.


dimpoken   February 23rd, 2010 10:35 am ET

lobsang ngodup
February 22nd, 2010 10:12 pm ET

Tibet is Tibet
China is china OK.

wwwwwwwwwwwwwww

territory is territory
tibetan in China,OK?
NOT BIG Tibetan,india will protest !


dimpoken   February 23rd, 2010 10:43 am ET

ugyen chodak
想和你说话,必须把智商拉到你的高度,再多的证据你也会无视的。说服你就是对自己的侮辱。顺带说一句不要以为你是有一个藏族名字就说你不是黄色皮肤的外国走狗。你的血液也许有藏族基因,但是你已经是不折不扣的外国奴仆了,也就是说你跟们没资格为你的言论鼓吹了。CNN也就忽悠老外而已,为他们的被政客绑架你觉得不可悲吗?我爱我的祖国,但是没人愿意被外国人的分裂!


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 10:50 am ET

THE DALAI LAMA KILLED SO MANY HARMLESS WOMEN AND CHIRLDREN IN TIBET!!!!!!
HE IS A LIER!!!!
HE IS SO SELFISH THAT WHAT HE DID IS NOT FOR PEOPLE 'S FREEDOM BUT HIS [[[OWN]]] DESIRE OF MONEY AND POWER.
CHINA MACHINES??? IT'S SO FUNNY. WE DON'T NEED THAT RUBBISH.

你居然删我的评论
我质问你和CNN收了达赖多少钱 你不敢面对事实了吧?真可笑。


zeng   February 23rd, 2010 10:51 am ET

I think this question has nothing to do with american.there's no doubt that Tibet is a part of china hundreds years ago,when there's not a country called US.


Taher Rasheed   February 23rd, 2010 10:53 am ET

Our Honorable President Obama represents our country and its leadership,

Meeting with His Holiness Dalai Lama is in the same spirit as meeting with His Holiness Pope John Paul II, and his successor.
And, for that matter oue President meeting with heads of any faith
adds to the virtues of our ountry whose slogan is "Faith in God" will always be a welcoming news.

Very respectfully,

Taher F Rasheed


天涯一分子   February 23rd, 2010 10:57 am ET

支持夏威夷独立


DQ   February 23rd, 2010 10:58 am ET

The Xizang(never call it Tibet again!!!) problem is easy to deal with:
make Han the biggest race in that area.
Then Dalai can establish his country in India:)

At that time, Xizang will be its only name. Tibet? What is it?

---from mainland of China.


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 11:02 am ET

CNN,HOW MUCH MONEY THE DALAI LAMA PAID YOU?
YOU ARE HELPING A KILLER A LIER AND A SON OF A BIT*H!!!


DQ   February 23rd, 2010 11:04 am ET

看到上面一堆言论,哥感到异常蛋疼,果然米国人都tmd是蛋疼帝
达赖建国没问题,但西藏是咱们中国人的,您要建国带着您的徒子徒孙们去火星建国吧。
哥顶的不是贴,是寂寞。
达赖哥你妈妈喊你回家吃饭!
wow吧强势围观


Wang Xing   February 23rd, 2010 11:05 am ET

should California /New York /Washington... be an independent country?
yes
no
this is not a scientific poll

hey Americans ,you like this kind of poll?
you are not Chinese,how can you think you have the right to start a poll like this in a public website ?
have you ever read any books written by some real Tibetan,not only by this Dalai Lier ?A trip to Tibet cost not very much money? If you really care about Tibet, why don't you come to Tibet to see what it is like?
200 years ago you whitemen measured the world by your own feet, but now you only see news from CNN.

我爱我的祖国,我希望西藏人民能过上真正的现代化的,世俗的,先进的生活,而不是继续生活在藏密政教合一的中世纪黑暗中。外国势力妄想挑战泱泱中华,不自量力!


Corisa   February 23rd, 2010 11:15 am ET

As a Chinese, I do not want to judge who is right in this sensitive topic.
I just want all over the world's people to face the turth of this thing. Do not random to listen to the words of unfounded from a person who has no real identity . Let us to understand the real purpose of his action.Do not be deceived by his lies. Everyone loves their own country. If a person who really really attach importance to peace and freedom.
To see the truth of the matter and make the best choices PLEASE.

Hope that people around the world like a family.


dalai's mama   February 23rd, 2010 11:15 am ET

天涯又来一个接班的


dalai's mama   February 23rd, 2010 11:22 am ET

All the chinese people are the rolling machines for our government.


Wang Xing   February 23rd, 2010 11:28 am ET

PS ,CNN and Larry King ,your mothers is calling you home to have dinner^


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 11:40 am ET

To Dear DalaiLama,
If you want your own nation, you can ask your dear US, maybe they will give you a piece of land to establish your country, BUT! Xizang is Chinese, Xizangness is Chinese.
加拿大美洲东岸 睡醒继续上来!


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 11:48 am ET

Lets free Alaska and free Hawaii...

If you ask anyone outside of Quebec whether they want Quebec to be separated from Canada, they will tell you, NO!!


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 11:52 am ET

@ ZQ-21

I would look at this with an appreciation in which this site afforded YOU the opportunity to express YOUR view and feelings!!!

I am thankful that CNN provided us this site for discussion. I would recommend an attitude adjustment! You sound very angry! Anger only fires hatred and killings!


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 11:53 am ET

@ yuki

You are very silly. I am from Hawaii originally. Hawaii asked to be a state. We wanted to be a part of the United States!!!!!


Robin   February 23rd, 2010 12:00 pm ET

Come on guys, ask dear President to get his troops back from Iraq then we can talk about human right or whatever so...Tibet was, is and will continue to be part of China, that's the fact...


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 12:08 pm ET

@Dodie

That's what we don't what to see. what the us government do is separate the China into several small nation. As well all know, the small country cannot survive by itself,just like Hawaii. After that, US is the only large country the others can depend on.

Hawaii lost its own national sovereignty.
We, chinese, love our country. we will let anyone to damage or even destroy it.


Snapple   February 23rd, 2010 12:11 pm ET

I watched a portion of the King interview with the Dalai Lama last night where Larry King said to the Lama "you are a man of God..." as he was leading up to his next question. It is clear that Mr. King did not prep for this interview (although he has interviewed the Lama before) and knows little about Buddhism.


Gerald Jolly   February 23rd, 2010 12:11 pm ET

To my chinese friends, you are absolutely correct.

If only my country U.S.A. would keep their SCHOOL YARD BULLY "NOSE" out of other country's affairs and concentrate on the serious problem here in the U.S.

The world would be a better place as well as our own country that could not survive without China's financial aid.


mei guo ren shi shabee   February 23rd, 2010 12:17 pm ET

傻缺缺的美国佬,
真以为这个世界都是你们的?


yanyan   February 23rd, 2010 12:21 pm ET

@Dodie

yuki只是打了一个比方而已,你知道什么叫比方吗?而且很喜剧的是,我看的明白你在说什么,但是你看不明白我在说什么。


Zz   February 23rd, 2010 12:25 pm ET

The Dalai Lama problem is Chinese own problem. Just like the California. Tibet is one part of China! My dear American friends, please close your mouses. Don't talked too much about our Chinese internal problem.


compassionate human   February 23rd, 2010 12:30 pm ET

@ZQ-21
This is regarding your statement about CNN being liar and His Holiness as killer and Liar,If you really want to say something,say on base of fact and i bet you you dont have any prove of saying above words.Read history of your own country and history of British .You will get it and i hope you wont blame them too when you find out that Tibet was never part of China and is independent country.
If money could have done this job then i am pretty sure that before His holiness does this there would be one more list we need to read before him
Use your knowledge and dont mix it up with our own emotion.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 12:30 pm ET

@ Dodie

I was using it as an example...


Aaron   February 23rd, 2010 12:30 pm ET

I am a Chinese working in US right now. I won't comment on this issue. There is no space to negotiable. Following the track of US history, if someone wish to free Tibet, please, show your brave and blood. You will need tons and tons of blood!

Chairman Mao had a prediction more than 60 years ago once Dalai was 25 and defected to India. He said, CCP do not close the door for Dalai. We are looking for his return. He is a 25 years old young man. When he is 85, 60 years later and already the 21 century, the world will change and he will go back. He'd better return to his hometown rather than stay in foreign country and slavishly depend on others.

Unfortunately, Dalai spent more than 60 years and can't understand Chairman Mao. What a shame!


wildcat   February 23rd, 2010 12:32 pm ET

Should Hawaii be an independent country?

Should Alaska be an independent country?


操你妈~~~   February 23rd, 2010 12:34 pm ET

American pigs go to bed now~~~


angel   February 23rd, 2010 12:35 pm ET

It's a commen sence that Tibet is a part of China.
So,CNN不要再开国际玩笑了。


Ani Wangmo   February 23rd, 2010 12:37 pm ET

To all of you who could please learn and read a bit of the true history of the invasion of the Chinese into Tibet, your interpretations are sadly ignorant and could use much more intelligence. Tibet was an independent country, not comparable to Hawaii which also had its own autonomy. China appropriated essencial natural resources in the Himalayan region to gain control over Asia: the WATER sources of the major rivers that cross Pakistan, India, Tibet... among others. The invasion was a very strategic move to gain control of huge uranium deposits, lumber, water, etc.. Not only they have them now, they want to kill the Buddhist religion as well, perverting it with their own sadistic interpretation of it; people, read and learn, investigate and learn.


angel   February 23rd, 2010 12:38 pm ET

Hey,Karma!

Not Chinese machies,but Chinese people!


Bry   February 23rd, 2010 12:42 pm ET

CNN can learn about how to lie from DalaiLama , he is such a funny buffoon ! , but it is better to use the own brain to talk instead of being a mockingbird !!!


Yvonne.Black   February 23rd, 2010 12:45 pm ET

If tibet is free, the slavey will come back.Who will get benefit?Only the leaders or the whealth.The poor are still poor.
奥巴马来中国借不到钱就请达赖过来有意思伐!你放达赖上电视更加借不到钱。


jerry   February 23rd, 2010 12:51 pm ET

It's really amazing to see so many brain-washed americans here. If you really care about XiZang's (in your word, Tibet's) affair, go to do some research, read some serious history books written by your own western historians (not just listen to the garbage full in those newspaper and televisions), or even better set your feet on XiZang and see for yourself.

XiZang has been part of China for hundreds of years, even longer than the history of your country. XiZang had been a slavery society for many many years. It was never a dream world, just the same as other slavery societies you learned in the history. It is until recent 50 years that XiZang people are getting more human rights and living better lives than ever before.

One last thing, to those who thought the poll result was manipulated by Chinese government controlled machines, you are totally wrong. In the beginging, very few Chinese people knew the existence of such a poll, so you saw more YES than NO which was surely contributed by you brain-washed americans. Once more and more Chinese learned about this poll, it is a sure thing that the result would be turned over. That's not a surprise. Remember, we are 1.33 billions, not as brain-washed as you. I am glad to see the poll is shut down now. This is so-called freedom of speech!


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 12:54 pm ET

@Dodie

Firstly I wanna thank you for reminding me and I'm sorry for getting you and CNN feel uncomfortable.

CNN drew up false news on Tibet problems of China for a few times because of money. It made a bad impression of China especially the ways our government treated with Tibet,China.

The Dalai Lama organised violence incident in Tibet for disturbing our government by killing so many harmless women and children. Is he a killer???? Is there any difference between Dalai and terrorism???

Is there anything wrong of our Chinese fighting with terrorism and be angry with their chief???

Wake up,my friends,please!! You are fooled!!

The Dalai Lama is just earning sympathy from foreign kind-hearted people. But they don't know what the Dalai Lama did in Tibet,they don't know him pay money to organise violence incident and kill harmless women and children in Tibet,China.

But YOU CNN reported false news that you made false photos to help Dalai Lama earning sympathy, hided the truth that the Dalai Lama is really a chief of terrorism.That's why I asked is thd Dalai Lama paid!

If you don't know the truth, I can understand you.But please trust the truth!Not the medias! Which work for the US or UK government.The media is the biggest lier!

I know the Dalai Lama didn't organised violence incident in your country so you can hardly understand me.

I love China! I don't allow anyone like the Dalai Lama organise violence incident for his own desire of money and power by killing harmless people!!!!!NOT FOR HUMAN RIGHTS!!!!JUST FOR HIS MONEY AND POWER!!!!

CNN has no rights to decide if Tibet should be independent.It is the same as CNN has no rights to decide if Texas or Scotland should be independent.So do the foreign friends who don't know the truth that the Dalai Lama is really a killer.

Thank you again.


cl.avi   February 23rd, 2010 12:55 pm ET

It's a joke
Q: Why doesn't your government give Tibet back to its monks?
A: Because the monks want to help the Seminoles take back Florida.

AMERICANS, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS!!!!!!!!


penny   February 23rd, 2010 12:59 pm ET

To all my USA friends,i just have one question

have u been to Tibet?

if not,how can u say "yes"now?

all the things u know about Tibet is from TV NEWS but not from yourself! how can u say "free Tibet" without seeing what happend in Tibet?

all u know is Dalai Lama or human right

how about the people in Iraq? u will say, what?we are helping them. yes,maybe u are right,but maybe u made a mistake.

everyone has their right to show their view.we just show what we think and choose "NO" here?

if "NO" is more than 92% it just means more than 92% people here don't want Tibet be a independent country~~and we just show our opinion.

u know the human right ,we know it,too. so lei's wait for the end and see the result~~~~

good luck and happy 2010~~~~~~~~~

一个人如果想要获得别人的尊重,首先自己要有那个档次,我们那么多人能看的懂你们所说的英语而你们又有多少人能够看得懂中文呢,唉,固步自封的最终结果只能是自身的愚昧无知~两眼一闭挥臂一呼~~~阿门~~~~~~~~


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 1:06 pm ET

@ZQ21

CNN does have the right to express their views and opinions without censorship, as you have within this forum.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 1:07 pm ET

@CNN

Why the moderation on the blog referencing Asian persuasion?


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 1:13 pm ET

February 23rd, 2010 12:58 pm ET
To the young disciples of the Asian persuasion!

It's good to see your desires to aggressively discuss the importance of the Dalai Lama in your country. I have noticed CNN gives you more freedom to go beyond the boundaries they set in this forum; and some even wander beyond moral decency to express your views.

They certainly would NOT allow me to say, what you have freely been allowed to say. Enjoy that latitude, however, it would not be in your best interest to look less, than the intelligent people you are.

One thing the American people do, in your favor, is respect the level of intelligence the people of China display. Why would any of you do anything to alter that? Isn't it like cutting your nose off to spite your face or shooting yourself in the foot?

Regarding the Dalai Lama, he is not important to the well-being of our country and most people do know China has made him a headliner in the world media.

As you will see, he comes and goes on and off the world stage. One day he will not return and the people's of China will still have to resolve the sovereign desires within your country.

Do not think for a heartbeat, the U.S. will intercede in that division, I believe it appears to be more of a division between church and state to them. Maybe, one day the deciding factor will be decided at a ballot box, than on a battlefield. Good luck to all of you!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 1:14 pm ET

@CNN

Again my bad...posted on wrong blog....


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 1:16 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

You are right.
CNN was not helping a chief of terrorism who wants to disrupt your state so you can hardly understand our Chinese.

The so-called persuasion is just the Dalai Lama's desire of money and power. COME ON! YOU ARE FOOLED!


Sirius.Eva   February 23rd, 2010 1:22 pm ET

To American authorit and media .do not try to control our country ,and use the excuse of human rights .How can you see we don't have hunman rights .some americans are so navie that believe what the media and government have told you .


操你妈~~~   February 23rd, 2010 1:22 pm ET

American you are fool


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 1:27 pm ET

To all American friends:
AMERICANS, MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS, PLEASE!
If you didn't know what really happened in Tibet, what Dalai Lama did in Tibet and how many harmless people been killed by Dalai Lam,please stop mind our business,please.


jerry   February 23rd, 2010 1:28 pm ET

@Cajazz76

I agree with you on this:

One thing the Chinese people do, in your favor, is respect the level of intelligence the people of USA display. Why would any of you do anything to alter that? Isn't it like cutting your nose off to spite your face or shooting yourself in the foot?

One last sentence: mind your own business and we will mind ours.


Tsering and Jigme   February 23rd, 2010 1:34 pm ET

MORE THAN HALF OF THE PEOPLE ON THIS BLOG WHO SUPPORTS CHINA PROBABLY DONT EVEN KNOW ABOUT CHINESE HISTORY LET ALONE TALK ABOUT TIBET. THEY R MADE TO SIT DOWN IN FRONT OF THE COMPUTER AND THEY ARE TOLD TO WRITE PROBABLY WITH A GUN ON THE BACK OF THEIR HEADS , SO THERE'S NO POINT DISCUSSING WITH THIS HELPLESS PEOPLE. PEACE OUT!!! CHINA OUT OF TIBET NOW, CHINA OUT OF TIBET NOW, CHINA OUT OF TIBET NOW!!! FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET, FREE TIBET!!!!


Cecilia Owens   February 23rd, 2010 1:37 pm ET

Re: Should Tiger Woods owe his other woman an I'm sorry. NO. No. NO . They knew he was married. They owe His Wife an I am so sorry, I went with your husband for money and fame.


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 1:43 pm ET

@ Tsering and Jigme

LOL.......i'm sitting in front of my computer at home in Canada.....
i don't see any guns behind me...
lol.....
have u even been in china?????


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 1:45 pm ET

@Tsering and Jigme

YOU KNOW WHAT?????

If our Chinese don't know our own history ,you know what?

You are fooled and it's so funny that you think there is a gun on my back

It's so funny. hahahahahaha.......

Tibet is a part of China even before 1840. your opinion is so funny!

第一,藏族是中国的少数民族,藏族的形成和发展的历史是中国历史不可分割的组成部分,藏族聚居的西藏地方自古就是中国的一部分。藏族在未形成以前,藏族的先民即和汉族的先民在民族、血缘和文化上存在千丝万缕的联系,可以说,从远古时代起,藏族先民就为中国历史的发展作出了自己独有的贡献,国内外学术界对原始汉藏语同源已有充分的研究,从一个侧面反映出这种历史根基的深厚与悠远。

  第二,吐蕃王朝是唐朝中国的一个民族政权,是中国历史的一个组成部分。吐蕃王朝是吐蕃历史发展的辉煌时期,它不仅在中国历史上,而且在当时的中亚历史上扮演了十分重要的角色,是唐朝中国历史有机组成部分,离开吐蕃王朝史,唐代中国史就不完整。

  第三,元朝西藏地方正式纳入中央王朝的行政管辖之下,元朝政府在西藏采取一系列政策和制度,行使了有效管理。元朝时期,元统治者和西藏地方政教首领通过谈判,确定归附条件,将西藏地方纳入行政管辖之下。元朝统治者在西藏地方建立行政体制,实施人口普查、设置驿站、征兵征税等政策,充分行使了有效管理,即使是从近代行政管辖的角度来看,都可以毋庸置疑地认定西藏是中国的一个组成部分。元朝距今已有七百余年,世界上有多少个国家保持了延续七百年不间断的历史?显然,在这一历史问题上西方某些国家对中国说三道四是完全没有资格,也没有道理的。

  第四,明朝时期,中央政府通过划分行政区划、因其故俗而任命僧俗官员、封授“八大法王”来掌控西藏地方,并通过恢复驿站,利用茶马贸易等方式来行使管理职能。由于当时的西藏地方政教势力同样处在相对分裂的状态,帕木竹巴、萨迦和噶玛等较大的政教势力,均想获得中央政府的任命和认可来提高其政教权力。在元明更替之际,他们纷纷上缴元朝封号印信,接受明朝任命,顺利纳入明朝的行政约束之下,建立隶属关系。明朝对西藏的管理是积极有效的。

  第五,清朝在西藏建立的行政管理体制,以及所推行的各项法规和制度,雄辩地说明西藏是中国不可分割的一部分。1652年,五世达赖入京朝觐,次年顺治皇帝封其“西天大善自在佛所领天下释教普通瓦赤喇怛喇达赖喇嘛”,赐金册、金印,确立钦封达赖喇嘛名号与政治宗教地位的制度。1727年,清朝设立驻藏大臣,监督西藏地方事务。1751年乾隆皇帝敕命七世达赖喇嘛建立噶厦政府。1793年,清朝在驱除廓尔喀入侵之后,颁布《钦定藏内善后章程》二十九条,改革西藏地方的行政体制与制度。驻藏大臣掌管西藏军事、外交和财政等重大事宜,其办理西藏事务地位与达赖喇嘛、班禅额尔德尼平等,噶伦以下官员都是其属员。

  要特别指出的是,噶厦是由皇帝敕命七世达赖喇嘛建立的,达赖喇嘛的行政权力来自皇帝的封赐;达赖喇嘛、班禅额尔德尼等大活佛的寻访认定都要朝廷批准,并按照朝廷规定的程序办理;达赖亲政坐床,以及使用前代达赖喇嘛法器用品,均须皇帝恩准;接受册封,接到圣旨,还须向朝廷和皇帝所在方向磕头谢恩;朝觐皇帝要行大礼;达赖喇嘛无权直接向皇帝奏事,须经过驻藏大臣转奏;达赖年幼时期代办达赖事务的摄政是由朝廷任命的,如此等等,充分表明西藏地方是中国不可分割的一部分。

  第六,民国时期尽管出现“西藏独立”的逆流,但是并没有改变西藏是中国一部分的事实。中华民国成立之后,临时大总统孙中山在就职宣言书中宣布:“国家之本,在于人民,合汉、满、蒙、回、藏诸地为一国,则合汉、满、蒙、回、藏诸族为一人,是曰民族之统一。”《中华民国临时约法》明确规定,西藏是中华民国领土的一部分。中央政府下设蒙藏事务局,主管西藏地方事务。1928年国民政府在行政院之下设立蒙藏委员会,管理藏族、蒙古族等少数民族地区事务。1933年12月,十三世达赖喇嘛圆寂,国民政府派专使入藏致祭,并批准热振活佛为摄政,代行达赖喇嘛职权。1940年,国民政府特派蒙藏委员会委员长吴忠信到拉萨察看后,由国民政府主席正式颁布命令,批准拉木登珠为十四世达赖喇嘛,吴忠信与热振活佛共同主持了坐床事宜。

  综上所述,我们可以看到,西藏自古是中国一部分,不仅有充分的理论依据,也有坚实的史实基础。达赖集团和西方反华势力在西藏历史问题上,不管采用什么手法,使用什么字眼,都无法改变西藏自古是中国一部分这一历史事实。


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 1:47 pm ET

@yuki

he was so funny, haha.....


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 1:57 pm ET

@ ZQ-21

You are correct! How can a person from the Western world know all the inner workings between China and Tibet. That is why I profess we stay out of this matter and let China and Tibet work it out. Our only cause to interfere would be if there was mass killings and then only with the United Nations. I have talked to the Tibetan people who could speak English. Some do not like the Dalai Lama, others do. Like in the USA we are also divided over specific issues. I understand Tibet is divided and then the division with China on view point. You say some very wise statements. I am hoping to go back to Tibet This Summer or September of this year... I certainly hope to learn more about the Country and would very much like to meet more Tibetans...


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 1:58 pm ET

@ ZQ-21

i know....oh my.......do you have someone holding a gun behind u???i sure don't......


Caesar   February 23rd, 2010 1:59 pm ET

@Tsering and Jigme

You know EVERYTHING about Tibet. You are the ONLY people who knows Tibet on this post. You are the ONLY person who knows about Chinese history, You are the ONLY person who should put a gun in your mouth and blow your head.

Let's FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme, FREE Tsering and Jigme!!!


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 2:04 pm ET

@yuki

of course not ,haha.....
how funny his imagination is!

他的想象力真是太丰富了!
真好笑~估计他又是一个被金钱收买的。


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 2:14 pm ET

@ ZQ-21

he's really creative though....lol....

估計是青藏會的。。。
他發一個回帖不知道有幾毛錢收呢??


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 2:15 pm ET

@ ZQ-21

he's really creative though....lol....

估計是青藏會的。。。
他發一個回帖不知道有幾毛錢收呢??


Caesar   February 23rd, 2010 2:18 pm ET

@yuki

过节加班工资翻三倍。现在一块五了。


yuki   February 23rd, 2010 2:19 pm ET

@ Caesar...

哎呀。。漲工資了啊???
哦。。。不過不對。。。他們不過節的。。。。。


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 2:20 pm ET

@ZQ-21

@Cajazz76:24:8

You are right.
CNN was not helping a chief of terrorism who wants to disrupt your state so you can hardly understand our Chinese.

The so-called persuasion is just the Dalai Lama's desire of money and power.( COME ON! YOU ARE FOOLED!)

You may be interesting to know, it is apparent to me, the Dalai Lama is holding his hand out...You missed my blogs of yesterday, apparently.

I see him him do what I see all clergy do, BEG!

My advice to you is merely spend a few more minutes between the lines of what I am saying. You may not find yourself offended!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 2:25 pm ET

@jerry

Well stated, it is a new toy to play with, these freedoms they are experiencing. They will find soon enough they are made of more than paper and glue when they bite deeper into our 'Tufflon'...teflon


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 2:34 pm ET

To the Asian persuasion.

As you bounce up and down on the trampoline of our freedoms, ask yourself, before you return home, if there is ever going to be a playground on which to play? If I was in your country would I have the freedom to bounce as high as you do here, or would I get BOUNCED? I have been to your country.


meg   February 23rd, 2010 2:45 pm ET

Is it me or am I crazy-I really don't appreciate someone posting i another language that I can not read on this blog.. I appreciate a person who can speak,write ,& read many languages. But when all bloggers who post on this site speak & write English then that is the language the posting should be done in. I also do not appreciate when 1 blogger writes to a blogger with an opposing view that he/she should put a gun in their mouth & blow their head off. I had 1 of my postings removed because I wrote a celebrity was stupid . I think the moderator on this site was asleep @ the wheel last evening!!!


Jayson   February 23rd, 2010 2:46 pm ET

Whether Dalai is really ask for peace or not, whether Tibet is free now or not, THERE IS NONE OF US BUSINESS.

American! DO NOT DISTURB CHINESE 'Family Business'!


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 3:14 pm ET

Must be time for lunch...I think I will have a bit of the egg fu yung, with faces on it...see all this evening...


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 3:19 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

Excuse me,please.
Do you think a clergy will organize violence incident killing harmless women and children, burning shops and houses of Tibetans in China?
Do you think it is what a clergy should do?
Do you think it is nothing different with terroristic organization?
Many foreign friends were fooled by the Dalai Lama's expression so that it caused lots of misunderstands between us.
To be honest, I feel so sad that you believe the Dalai Lama is do what you see all clergy do.
He was just earning sympathy from foreign people who respects freedom like you.
I'm so sorry that I surely didn't have a chance to read your blog.
What a pity! I'm sorry again.
Maybe the only thing I can do now is politely advise you to have a visit in Tibet and ask the local residents' opinions of the Dalai Lama ,you can also have a look at the ruins burned by the Dalai Lama's underling and wounded harmless women and children lying in hospitals.
That's what your so-called all the clergy did. They were killing,burning,and destroying local Tibetans' lives,houses,shops and their sweet family.
At the same time, the Dalai Lama is just want to be a king in Tibet, he earned some sympathy from a few medias that don't know the truth of what he really did to the local Tibetans,and he paid some organization to help him building up nice images.
I think it has no connection with human rights because he has been no different with Bin Laden except he wears cassock.


ur daddy   February 23rd, 2010 3:21 pm ET

oh my god.so many lies.Do not believe those who say anything above oppression of Tibetans in a pack of lies


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 3:29 pm ET

@Jayson

Thank you very much! You are right!
It's our CHINESE 'Family Business'.
And the most important thing I want to say that Dalai is not really ask for peace.
Anyone who has really saw the violence incident he organized in Tibet will not support him any more.
In fact, he is Bin Laden with cassock on him.


ur daddy   February 23rd, 2010 3:30 pm ET

Have to say that most Americans are so ignorant.


ur daddy   February 23rd, 2010 3:33 pm ET

First, the Tibetans of China's ethnic minorities, the formation and development of Tibetan history is an integral part of Chinese history, the Tibetan populated Tibet has always been part of China. Tibetans In the absence of ago, the Tibetan and Han ancestors, our ancestors in the nation, there is blood and culture inextricably linked, can be said that from time immemorial, the Tibetan settlers on the historical development of China has made a own unique contribution to the academic community at home and abroad homologous to the original Sino-Tibetan has been adequate research, reflected from one aspect of this deep and distant historical roots.

Second, the Tubo dynasty, the Tang dynasty of China's ethnic regime is an integral part of Chinese history. Tubo Tubo Dynasty is the golden age of historical development, not only in Chinese history, but also the history of Central Asia at that time played a very important role is an integral part of the Tang Dynasty in Chinese history, leaving the history of the Tubo Dynasty, the Tang Dynasty History of China will be incomplete


ur daddy   February 23rd, 2010 3:36 pm ET

Third, the Yuan Dynasty, Tibet was formally included in the central administrative jurisdiction under the Yuan Dynasty in Tibet, a series of policies and institutions, the exercise of effective management. Yuan period, the Yuan rulers and political and religious leader of Tibet through negotiations to determine the fixed and attached conditions, will be incorporated into Tibet under the administrative jurisdiction. Tibet during the Yuan Dynasty rulers established administrative system, the implementation of the census, setting up post stations, military recruitment taxation policies, the full exercise of the effective management, even from a modern point of view of administrative jurisdiction, can be identified without any doubt, that Tibet is China's an integral part. 700 years have elapsed since the Yuan Dynasty, the world number of countries have maintained uninterrupted continuation of seven hundred years of history? Clearly, in this historical question of some Western countries to make irresponsible remarks on China is totally not qualified, nor unreasonable.

Fourth, the Ming Dynasty, the central government through the division of administrative divisions, because it is vulgar and the appointment of clerical and secular officials, seal granted "eight Prince of Dharma" to control Tibet and through the restoration Inn, the use of the tea-horse trade and other ways to exercise the management functions. At that time, the Tibetan political and religious forces in the same division in the relative state of Pa fargesii Pakistan, Sakya and Karma and so on greater political and religious forces, both want to get the appointment and recognition of the central government to improve its political and religious powers. In the Yuan and Ming replacement occasion, but they have turned over to the Yuan Dynasty titles seals, accept the appointment of the Ming Dynasty, smooth integration into the Ming Dynasty, under the administrative constraints to establish affiliation. The management of the Ming Dynasty in Tibet is a positive and effective.


ur daddy   February 23rd, 2010 3:39 pm ET

Fifth, the establishment of the Qing Dynasty in Tibet, the administrative management system, as well as the implementation of various rules and regulations, speak eloquently to Tibet is an inalienable part of China. 1652, V, Beijing, the Dalai Lama pilgrimage into the following year emperor closed his "Western Paradise Great Benevolent Self-Buddhacarita lead the world to teach general release red tile La La shocked Dalai Lama", thanks to golden books, golden seal, established the Dalai Lama, Qin Feng name number of religious and political status of the system. 1727, established the Qing Dynasty stationed minister, to supervise local affairs. Emperor Qianlong in 1751 the Dalai Lama established the Tibetan government Chiming VII. In 1793, the Qing Dynasty after the invasion of Gurkhas in expel the enactment of an "imperial aftermath of the Constitution of Tibet," 29, reform Tibet's administrative system and institutions. Resident Minister in charge of Tibet, military, diplomatic and financial and other important matters, the status of its handling Tibetan affairs with the Dalai Lama, Panchen Erdeni equal, Kalon the following officials are members of its genus.

Must point out that the Kashag by the Dalai Lama VII, Chi Ming emperor established, the Dalai Lama, the executive power from the emperor's seal bestowed; Dalai Lama, the Panchen Erdeni look for other major Living Buddha must be recognized court approval, and in accordance with procedures prescribed court; Dalai Chikamasa seated and the Dalai Lama and the use of instruments used in previous generation products, to be the emperor indulgence; acceptance of the canonization, received imperial edict, but to kowtow in the direction of the court and the emperor Shane; pilgrimage to the emperor should be OK gift; Dalai Lama has no right directly to the emperor Zoushi to be transferred to the high commissioners played; Dalai young Dalai Lama during the charge d'affaires affairs regent appointed by the court, and so on, which fully shows Tibet is an inalienable part of China.

Sixth, the Republic of China in spite of "Tibet independence" of the counter-current, but did not change the fact that Tibet is a part of China. After the establishment of the Republic of China, Interim President Sun Yat-sen declared in the Declaration of office book: "The state of the book, lies in the people, the Han, Manchu, Mongolian, Hui, and Zang for one country, then the Han, Manchu, Mongolian, Hui Tibetan Ethnic Groups in for one person, is called national unification. "" Provisional Constitution of the Republic of China "clearly stipulated that Tibet was part of the territory the Republic of China. The central government consists of Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs Bureau, in charge of Tibetan affairs. In 1928 the Nationalist government set up under the Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs Commission Executive Yuan, management Tibetans, Mongolians and other ethnic minorities in local affairs. In December 1933, 13 Dalai Lama passed away, the National Government to send an Envoy to Tibet memorial service, and approved Reting as regent, took the Dalai Lama's authority. In 1940, the National Government mission to the Mongolian and Tibetan Affairs Commission Chairman Wu Zhongxin La Sacha see, by the National Government, issued an official decree, approved for 14 Lhamo Toinzhub Dalai Lama, Wu Zhongxin and Reting co-chaired the enthronement matters.

To sum up, we can see that Tibet is part of China since ancient times, not only have sufficient theoretical basis, but also a solid basis of historical facts. The Dalai clique and the Western anti-China forces in Tibet's history issue, regardless of the approach, use of words, they can not change Tibet is a part of China since ancient times, this historical fact.


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 3:52 pm ET

@Dodie

Thank you for your understanding.And I respect you with your spirit of seeking the truth with your own eyes,mouth and ears in Tibet,China.
In our opinions, Tibet is a province in China for so long time,just like Texas is a part of the US.
Anyone who wants to split our motherland with violence incident killing harmless women and children should be defined as terrorism.
The best way to know a province in China is to have a visit in it, that's truely a nice idea.
Sometimes the information we got from the Internet and medias are not true and come up with many political factors.
Maybe one way to solve this province-country problem is to mind everyone's own business.
Thank you again for understanding.


ur daddy   February 23rd, 2010 3:53 pm ET

You did not come into contact with the Tibetan serfs! I have come into contact with the Tibetans! They really are very grateful to the Government! Because the DL when the rule of only a handful of people had a good day! Serf on the children and grandchildren will always be serfs were serfs! DL your conscience? You have to promote human rights is that they become slaves to re-do?


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 3:58 pm ET

@ZQ21

As sad and as stupid as it sounds, there has been 'more' people killed in the name of God and/or a deity than for any other cause....Please think about that...Good to see you make that comment in regards to Dalai Lama.


eve   February 23rd, 2010 3:58 pm ET

It's a tragedy.
Should Alabama be an independent country?
Should Alaska be an independent country?
Should Arkansas be an independent country?
Should Delaware be an independent country?
Should Connecticut be an independent country?
Should Florida be an independent country?
Should Distant Hawaii be an independent country?
All Americans would say "no".
And China is China, it isn't Korea.
Stop meddling in China's internal affairs.
Taiwan, Tibet, Xinjiang they're part of China.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:01 pm ET

@ZQ-21

Dodie makes a good comment...I agree ...


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 4:09 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

Yep,I'm so happy that we can reach a consensus.
Thank you so much for your understanding.
Happy 2010 and good night.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:19 pm ET

@ZQ-21...

You are reading something into what I blog that I am not saying....Why do feel the world is against China's people?

True they don't understand your culture and your government to the extent we all should. But, remember before and since you were born there is a cloak of secrecy that hides much of what China does not want us to see.
An example that the world knows about, but China fails to either care or acknowledge, is China's oil for arms dealing's with IRAN.

There are playing with a fire, something that could end up burning your world as well. "Nuclear war..seen ONE...you've seen them all".

Google earth confirms the sales your country has made to Iran in exchange for high grade crude oil. The world knows your country has only low grade oil and requires high grade for gasoline and aircraft fuel.

Your China is making oil for arms deals in Africa, as well. Google Earth confirms China's exchange of arms for oil and the world can see it.

Like I have said China has good people, just not good government.

Freely say the same about the U.S. because we do similar things...neither is correct.

You and some of your friends are biting hands that feed you...


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:23 pm ET

@ZQ-21

Pleasure to have the opportunity!!!!! Gong Ha Fa Choi!!!!


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 4:26 pm ET

@Dodie
Right! Thank you again!

@ur daddy
NICE!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:33 pm ET

ZQ-21

If China has, in it's future, leadership with the quality of minds you and most of your friends have displayed here, China and the world may be around a bit longer than some calculations may determine.

Your all brilliant, but you need to find in others, outside China, TRUST, and common goals and a determination to make this world one, in which, all can live and prosper. We are closer to that path than anytime in my life.


Gerald Jolly   February 23rd, 2010 4:36 pm ET

@ Cajazz.

How are you.

You refer to the arms sales by China to unfriendly countries towards the U.S. in your comment to ZQ-21

You refer to the arms sales that China is doing with Iran and Nigeria, in exchange for oil.

Would that be similar to the arms sales to Taiwan that the U.S. is doing, in order to force a balance between two China's

Or perhaps, it is similar to the arms sales that the U.S. did in Central America years ago, that resulted in a group of renegades ruling the country with U.S. help, and later, the U.S. had to have that same criminal kidnapped and brought to the U.S. and was charged with being a major DRUG LORD.

Or could it be, the arms supplied to the current anti-government forces in Chile.

Oh! I know now what you are reffering too.

It must be the billions of dollars of arms supplied to the TALIBAN during their war with Russia. The same arms that are killing young Americans right now.

Sorry buddy, but a double standard and double set of rules just does'nt wash.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 4:42 pm ET

@Gerald Jolly

Read again. I do say just that..We also had a oil for arms consortium with Iran, do with Saudi, Did with Iraq..and Kuwait.and and and ...hell yes..I just didn't have the time to spell it all out, I made the young man tired, he was headed for bed.


LapCat   February 23rd, 2010 4:48 pm ET

I have been reading the posts from everyone. I ask all of you… In your fight to keep Tibet, would you ruin and destroy an already established culture?

Do you want to remove the Tibetan language and replace it with Chinese?

Do you want to remove Tibetan Buddhism?

When one culture dominates another culture through the use of cultural, religious and linguistic unprecedented force, the trauma exhibited by the dominated culture is horrendous. The cultural genocide tears at the very fabric that binds that culture in harmony and grace. The pride of the people is lost and they often become self destructive.

Is this what you want for the Tibetans?

You call them your brothers and sisters, however, if you are willing to do this to them… then what are you really?

What is it about the Dalai Lama that you fear! As you have expressed more than hatred… you are expressing FEAR!!!

How can an entire country of 1.5 billion people fear one man???

You give him too much power… that is why you are showing fear!


jerry   February 23rd, 2010 5:05 pm ET

@LapCat

Oh, man, are you talking about the native Indians who were once on this continent with a population of about 20 million? Where are they now?

On the contrary, the population of Tibetan is now 10 times more than that of 1950s. My suggestion to you is: go to that land and see if the Tibetan culture and religion are preserved well or destroyed just like you Americans did to the Indians.


jerry   February 23rd, 2010 5:09 pm ET

@LapCat

Oops, I forgot to say:

Do you really think 1.3 billion (just to correct you, not 1.5 billion) people would fear one man? LOL.


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 5:25 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8
I can hardly fall asleep tonight.
Firstly I want to say is that you are right. I'm happy to talk with a rational friend.
Maybe you will agree with this opinion that I think both our governments are trying their best to make their people have a peace and nice life.right?
Based on that we can find that there are so many similar things between our different cultures.
I'm not sure if you have heard our Premier Zhou Enlai,who said we should overcome differences and seek common ground for common development.
I really like it.
We all argue against terrorism, that's good and we can find that killing harmless women and children is their common characteristic.
Although we live in different governments,but the same objective is getting the people to live well.
Our governments are both used to hide something to their citizens,as you said neither is correct. I'm pleasent to see that you can understand us.
Some political issues can not be judged with right or wrong,just like we can't judge a man with simply good or bad.
Maybe we should find out a level that do not hurt most people's rights and feelings, I guess it will be a nice descison.
For example,I'm not sure if it could be a good example,please forgive me,the Iraqi problem,there is no biological weapons been found there,so many harmless people and the US soldiers died.
We all know it is just for oil and in fact it is a kind of invasions.
I also think America has good people but not the government, especially the financial crisis and China became one of the largest renter of the US.
Byond doubt that our countries could be friends but one thing should be emphasized is that there is only one China, any "immoral behavior" that attempt to split our motherland will be refrained and it is the sensitive deadline.
I hope you can truely understand my words.
On the other hand, please think that if the USSR government meets and supports Bin Laden to split Hawaii/Texas or the Big Apple who has killed many harmless free people, how will you feel about the USSR and Bin Laden?
Or change the question to if the USSR sells advanced weapons to Mexico,Canada,and other countries around the US,what would you like to do?
There is an Chinese old saying that Do not do onto others as you do not like them to do onto you.
If we can understand each other better, the world will be more beautiful.
Thank you.


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 5:37 pm ET

@LapCat

Dalai is just another Bin Laden who wears cassock.
Why the US wanna find out and kill Bin Laden?
Are they showing the fear of him,too?
One difference is that he lied to the foreign medias and earned much sympathy.
Foreign medias have too much misunderstands of China and they don't know the truth.In fact,they even don't know who are killing harmless women and children in Tibet,Come on,please have a visit in Tibet,China,then add comments.
You will find that you made a big mistake.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 5:46 pm ET

@ZQ-21

Sleep well America and the world, China has on it's ladder new shoes, filled with brilliant and compassionate minds. I see a China, maybe not in my life time, that doesn't spend it's wealth on war, that doesn't neglect the welfare of its masses, that searches for peace and tranquility among its neighbors. Yes, read back on these blog's, I am seeing a new China. Now can I see that in my backyard? I'm looking, and I see what was once good, fading too fast to a whiter shade of pale.


ROSE   February 23rd, 2010 5:51 pm ET

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what the hell did you get this conclusion? because the poll is not what you expect then it automatically turns another blame to chinese govt ?

do you really care what chinese people opinion? do you really respect free speak? because we are chinese then we are no longer have the rights to express our opinions?

we are feed up with these arrogent american! in the one hand you tell us we should have be respected our thinking and free to speek, in the another hand when we said what we wanted you blame us that we are spy working for chinese govt, or we are head-washed by the govt.

ask youself, you really care chinese human right? or just another thing you can blame to make you feel better? DON'T BE HYPOCRITICAL!!!


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 5:51 pm ET

What is the Chinese Govt. so afraid of with the Dalai Lama? They appear to be scared witless. The Dalai Lama is the spiritual ruler of the Tibetan Buddhist faith and religion.

Is China so very afraid of spiritual faith?

Is China afraid of religions?


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 5:52 pm ET

@ZQ-21

Today, America knows full well that our last president, GWB and his accomplice, the one with the failing heart, had no cause to invade Iraq, and it was for oil and because a son of a former president wanted to show off to his father he was SOMEBODY. Today, he is NOBODY. He is an embarrassment to the USA.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 5:56 pm ET

@ZQ-21

Again this statement in broader context. This big blue marble,as viewed from space, is full of good people, it's just hard, as hell, to find GOOD GOVERNMENT, ANYWHERE.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 5:59 pm ET

@Gerald Jolly

Any of those questions you wish to pose to me? I'm in rare form and toned down on the vocabulary to accommodate our young guests.


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 6:09 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

Maybe we are making a same mistake on understanding each other's government.
Hasty generalization is not good for looking on a country.
Most of our Chinese love peace and tranquility among its neighbors,but it has a premise that our territory will not be violated and splited.
I don't think the US will keep quiet if Russian scouts flying above Hawaii time after time.So you may understand why our government decided to self-defence among our neighbors.
I believe China will never engage in expansion and oppose terrorism together with the US.
Our two countris have common interest and simiar kind-hearted people,it is possible for us to become friends.


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 6:17 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

I agree with your point that "Again this statement in broader context. This big blue marble,as viewed from space, is full of good people, it's just hard, as hell, to find GOOD GOVERNMENT, ANYWHERE"

I'm sorry that I wrote a bad sentence.
"I believe China will never engage in expansion and oppose terrorism together with the US."-–I mean I believe China will never engage in expansion,and China will oppose terrorism together with the US.


lls   February 23rd, 2010 6:17 pm ET

How many slaves were killed Dalai Lama? If you need reminding, it mens that you really don't know abou the history of Tibet, also Dalai Lama himself!

Sinc you need reminding, it means you still not now the truth of China!

So I'm regret to tell you: Shut up! It will be decided by Chinese people!! Not American! Do you really think American is God? Chinese people will anwser you:No!


tsingran   February 23rd, 2010 6:26 pm ET

@A. Smith, Oregon

I know the website of this vote was repasted to some Chinese forums and renren( like facebook). The population of Chinese netizen is larger than the population of USA. If they want to change the result, they can do it easily.
I don't think Chinese govt is afriad of Dalai. Actually it is a good idea to make American believe Chinese govt is afriad of Dalai, so that they will pay more attention to Tibet issue rather than Trade sanctions. As long as no world war happened or a Chinese Mikhail Gorbachev, Tibet is and will be still under control, very stable. That is enough to China.
Buddhism is good, but Tibetan Buddhism is not pure Buddhism. It contains Bon-pa, primitive religion.

PS: Not for you but everybody, before you make comment on Tibet, Make sure you know where it located. And make sure you got the right information. This is also applied when you talk about Iran or N.Korea, though I hate them as well.


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 6:27 pm ET

@A. Smith, Oregon

Before you ask those questions,please be sure you knew Chinese history well or read the blogs of "ur daddy".
ps. The Tibet history is one party of Chinese history.


flindy   February 23rd, 2010 6:34 pm ET

I wonder how many of you who claim Free Tibet, have ever been to Tibet


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 6:48 pm ET

@ZQ-21

How odd! I read it the way you meant it. It's a meeting of the minds. Happens in the world. I know you are a hope that the people of China and the world are looking for. They are certainly many like you in China and the world. Your voices, speaking loudly enough, will have our 'one world' listening, one day. You want peace and a good life for your family, not much to ask for, just a lot to achieve, without having to jump through so many hoops, right? Peace, and can I call you a friend?


Roberta   February 23rd, 2010 6:52 pm ET

@ ZQ-21– What is your opinion re: Tienneman Square 1989?


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 7:01 pm ET

All governments manipulate their people. If they did not, there would be chaos in every country. Our countries have more similarities than differences. China is new to the world stage. Naturally there would be skeptism ... It is wise to take small steps when walking on unfounded ground! China is changing...

The question is... can the world change with China? Can the US change and accept a new super power? That is the question only the future will tell.

Only in forums like this can there be the beginning of understanding.....


Voltaire   February 23rd, 2010 7:03 pm ET

A better Luck for most Americian Native Indian


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 7:08 pm ET

Chinese history? Not found in the Tibetan language. Not found in the ancient Tibetian Buddhist religion followed by the Tibetan people.

TIBETAN LANGUAGE

The Tibetan language is very different from Chinese. For one, it is written in an alphabet whereas Chinese is written in pictograms. Moreover, the grammar and pronunciation are very different from Chinese. In Tibet today, students are taught Chinese in school and, in secondary schools, all classes are in Chinese. Tibetan language is becoming less and less useful, and Tibetans who do not speak Chinese have a very difficult time competing in the job market.

TIBETAN BUDDHISM

During the Cultural Revolution in the 1960s and 1970s, China's People's Liberation Army destroyed nearly every one of Tibet's monasteries and nunneries. More than 6,000 monasteries and nunneries were razed to the ground. Tibet's monastic system, previously an important component of Tibet's social structure, was destroyed. By 1979, only 13 monasteries remained in Tibet. Many monks and nuns had died, either as a result of the occupation or of natural cause, and many had been forced to disrobe.

Tibetan people appear to have a darker complexion than the mainland Chinese. Mainland Chinese do not fare well in the high altitudes of the Tibetan nation. These 'FACTS' indicate that despite the crass propaganda being floated by the state sponsored Chinese bloggers, mainland Chinese people were not even a notable minority in Tibet until very recent times where they were ordered to invade and ordered to re-settle in Tibet.

China had nothing to do with the Tibetan language, culture, religion nor do they share the physical accommodations for high altitude living that is routinely found in the Tibetan people that have lived for hundreds of generations in Tibet.

The lurid rewrite of Tibetan origins and history now include:

Photos of His Holiness the Dalai Lama, the legitimate spiritual and political leader of the Tibetan people, are banned. People found owning such a photo are arrested and imprisoned.

Support of the Dalai Lama is viewed as "splittism" and is punishable by arrest, imprisonment and torture. Tibetan Monks and nuns must undergo Chinese "Patriotic Re-education" classes during which they are taught to be loyal to the Communist Party, to denounce the Dalai Lama and to accept that Tibet is a part of China.

Tibetan Monks and nuns are often under surveillance by the Chinese secret police, who sometimes even reside in the monastery/nunnery!!!

Tibetan Monks and nuns are routinely banned from Chinese government buildings. Certain religious Tibetan ceremonies and prayers associated with the Dalai Lama are forbidden to both monks/nuns and laypeople.

The Panchen Lama is the second most important Buddhist leader for the Tibetan people, after the Dalai Lama. In Tibetan tradition, the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama are often compared to the sun and the moon – guiding each other from lifetime to lifetime. Historically, the Panchen Lama has played a pivotal role in identifying the incarnation of the Dalai Lama, and vice versa.

In 1995, the Dalai Lama recognized Gendhun Choekyi Nyima as the 11th reincarnation of the Panchen Lama. Shortly thereafter, the six-year old boy, his family and several monks from the monastery where the Panchen Lama traditionally resides were arrested and disappeared. The Panchen Lama and his family have not been heard from since. It is presumed the Chinese Govt. murdered this child and his entire family.

The Chinese government proceeded to choose its own Panchen Lama and is re-educating him to be loyal to the Communist Party.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 7:14 pm ET

It is a lasting embarrassment and a terrible atrocity what America did to the indigenous tribes of Native Americans, taking their land and forcing them to learn and speak the English language.

Yes China, it is a shameful practice on the indigenous people of Tibet to do the same thing to them.


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 7:39 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

Of course,why not?
I hope every country would understand each other better,no matter what the government is.Sorry for my poor English can hardly express my opinions with a better or more polity way.
I don't like any kind-hearted people who love peace and life to be killed by the terrorism or violence incident that organised by anyone outside the mother country,especially the one who cheated,lied to medias and hided his attorneyship of a chief of terrorism.
It's amazing that I kept awake all night refurbishing the website and trying my best to avoid misunderstandings and vindicate national honour.
If you get a chance to visit beautiful Tibet in China, you will find hospitable Tibetans talking about the advancement in their lives since 1950's.Most of them have a nice life, I think that's enough. No matter who leads. I can hardly imagine if Dalai Lama comes back will destory how many houses and happy families.
Through one of Will Smith's movies I knew that everyone has his right for the persuit of happ"y"ness,right?
The Dalai Lama's organization brought Tibetans violence incident and killing, in fact he is depriving Tibetans' human rights to earn money and power.I don't know why so many people can't understand that maybe I am too young and too weak to change the world,I just want to try my best to let everyone who read the blog know that most Chinese people love peace and the real peace-killer is Dalai and his organizations.
Misunderstandings are so difficult to avoid that I can still find someone ask a little silly questions because of not even read Chinese history.
The media is the biggest lier, I always think it as a tool that serve for the government and SOMEONE who paid them money.
Please trust your own eyes,mouth and ears to see their life, to ask local people and to listen their lovely laughters,not the media.
I believe you have changed some ideas about my mother country China, I'm looking forward you coming and have a nice visit in China and you will know and understand much more at that time.
Premier Zhou Enlai presents the Five Principles of Peaceful Coexistence many years ago in Asian meeting:
互相尊重主权和领土完整 mutual respect for territorial integrity and sovereignty;
互不侵犯 mutual non-aggression;
互不干涉内政 non-interference in each other's internal affairs;
平等互利 equality and mutual benefit;
和平共处 peaceful coexistence
Maybe you can find that what I said is true.And if our two countries could follow that five principles,everything gonna be alright.
This is where amazing happened, I'm so happy to talk with you,my friend.


Voltaire   February 23rd, 2010 7:43 pm ET

Now, back to the question,

Who will be benefit if Tibetan got Independent?


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 7:46 pm ET

@Roberta

What is your opinion re:Vietnam War?Sino-British Opium War?

If i'm not wrong it's 2010 right now,not 1989,thank you.


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 7:54 pm ET

@Voltaire

Only one person will be benefit, and he will get the money and power he wants.
But the cost maybe a large number of lives and many ruins.
SOMEONE and his organizations have killed so many harmless women and children and burned so many shops on streets in Lhasa , who is absolutely sure he won't do it again? Do you still believe he is seeking peace? Do you still believe he is not a terrorist and a lier?


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 8:04 pm ET

@Dodie

NICE ANSWER!THANK YOU!


Voltaire   February 23rd, 2010 8:04 pm ET

@ ZQ-21

Amen


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 8:14 pm ET

The Dalai Lama conducts himself and his life in a entirely peaceful manner. Although his English is broken at times, he seems to speak from a wealth of experiences and directly from his heart.

The Dalai Lama has not encouraged violence by his followers. Even during the rioting by the Tibetan people against the oppression of the Chinese secret service and Chinese police forces, the Dalai Lama was urging only peaceful protests and non-violence. However there appears to be Chinese violence and terrorism in the act of kidnapping a child and likely his murder along with all of his family by the Chinese Govt.

The Panchen Lama is the second most important Buddhist leader for the Tibetan people, after the Dalai Lama. In Tibetan tradition, the Dalai Lama and the Panchen Lama are often compared to the sun and the moon – guiding each other from lifetime to lifetime. Historically, the Panchen Lama has played a pivotal role in identifying the incarnation of the Dalai Lama, and vice versa.

In 1995, the Dalai Lama recognized Gendhun Choekyi Nyima as the 11th reincarnation of the Panchen Lama. Shortly thereafter, the six-year old boy, his family and several monks from the monastery where the Panchen Lama traditionally resides were arrested and disappeared. The Panchen Lama and his family have not been heard from since. It is presumed the Chinese Govt. murdered this child and his entire family.


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 8:16 pm ET

PRESUMED............THANK YOU.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 8:21 pm ET

@ ZQ-21

I might have missed your earlier post. Are you here in the us as a student? Your English capability is excellent!


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 8:21 pm ET

If it is true,is he a murder who has organized hundreds of people to burn shops in Tibet streets kill and hurt so many harmless women and children?


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 8:22 pm ET

If it was true,is he a murder who has organized hundreds of people to burn shops in Tibet streets kill and hurt so many harmless women and children?


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 8:28 pm ET

@Dodie
Thank you so much,I'm just a ordinary college student in China.


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 8:35 pm ET

@ZQ-21

Ordinary you are not! Very wise for your age. You are an inspiration and the hope for future China. Humility is a way of life...and very respectful! I admire that quality! I wish the US had more humility. Maybe we can learn from each other. Maybe the future will be bright for all!

I apologize. I am at work and can only spend a very short time in here...

Thank you for answering my statements. It is very kind of you.


Roberta   February 23rd, 2010 8:40 pm ET

@ZQ-21-- I'm Canadian -my country wasn't involved in the Vietnam War. I know it's not 1989 but you still didn't giveme your opinion on Tienneman Square. I 've heard your country dismisses it as if it never happened. I'm just interested.


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 8:44 pm ET

@Dodie

Thank you,too.It's so nice to understand and trust each other between two persons or countries as well as seeking common ground while shelving differences and accelerate (both) development.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 8:46 pm ET

@ZQ-21

Wow! You have depth in the way you write, and your message is loud and clear. Never-mind the difficulty in writing this language, I don't think anyone would have any trouble understanding what you have to say.
Your quite impressive and no doubt, at all, extremely intelligent. I would love to be able to read the Chinese language to perfection, just to gather what you say here in your own language.

Trust me when I say that your English is much better than many who have the courage to blog and I am talking about those who's native language is English.

With any luck there will be those in our government who will read what you have to say and take it to heart. We have a good president right now, and he is well aware of what is fair and what is just.

Yes, the apple polish has to be there for those who just look for shiny things, but give him a chance to do good and do the right thing. Politics are a smelly side of reality. Again, good luck in all your endeavors. Peace friend..


Katherine   February 23rd, 2010 9:05 pm ET

@Dodie-what is your profession that you can blog on the Larry King site? I as a nurse never had the luxury to do that!


Caesar   February 23rd, 2010 9:06 pm ET

@A. Smith, Oregon

What do you know about Chinese Govt.'s fear? What do you know about Dalai Lama's effort?

From your replies, I only see your fear of being in accordance with Chinese Govt. In accordance with Chinese Govt. makes you feel evil, makes you feel not democratic, makes yourself disgusting.

From your replies, I can tell that you read a lot of negative articles about Chinese Govt and Dalai Lama's relationship. You deeply believe in your heart that the Chinese Govt is a liar, and they are disguising the "truth".

Ask yourself, blaming on the government of a country with a culture that you are not familiar with, do you feel evil? Ask yourself, what do you know about Chinese Govt.'s policies toward Tibet? Ask yourself, how many people from Tibet have you talked to and what did they say?

I am a Chinese educated in the US. I have college classmates from Tibet and I have friends lived with Tibetans for 2 years. If you ask them what do they think about Dalai Lama, they will tell you, HE IS A LIAR.

Dalai Lama spent so much effort in learning English to tell a lie; I wish all Tibetans can speak English now and let them tell you, what do they think.

Dalai Lama is the spiritual leader of Tibet. Somewhat true. However, if I asked you, if Mr. Martin Luther King Jr. summoned all Texas black people to fight for an independence, will you go out to join a parade on the street that supports putting him to jail?

So, please, mind your own business. This is something between Tibet and China. Let Chinese and Tibetan settle this down. Care more about your national securities, stop interfering other countries' politics. Do you want another 911?


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 9:15 pm ET

The Chinese re-education camp reply on why the Chinese Govt. would murder the Panchen Lama Gendhun Choekyi Nyima, a 6 year old Tibetan child, the monks protecting him and the 6 year old child's family after forcibly removing him from his Tibetan Buddhist temple is:

'the 6 year old Tibetan child caused people to murder Chinese in the Tibetan riots'?

Wow, that's not worthy of a reply is it? Do they include Opium in those re-education camp classes?


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 9:18 pm ET

@Roberta

Well, to be frank I don't know much about that thing.
The story I found in Google is:
When few hotheaded young people tried to destroy the government because of been instigated by someones who have ulterior motives, a rebellion and riot happened on Tiananmen Square,according to the very period,a leader decided to adopt a curfew on the square.
I'm not sure if you can really understand the meaning of curfew.
I'm just very interested what will the Canadian governoment do if rebellion and riot is happenning outside the mansion of Canadian Governor General?
In addition, it is 2010 now and the leaders of our government have changed a few times since 1989.
Although you didn't give me your opinion on my question I still thank you for asking.And when I was young a man whose name is Bethune has left deep impression on me through the story of he came to China helping our Chinese during the war.What a Canadian hero he was for the world's peace!


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 9:19 pm ET

There is a rather large number of Tibetan Buddhists living here in Oregon. At last two Rinpoches also have their schools and temples here in Oregon which I find rather unusual.

NONE of the Tibetans speak kindly of the Chinese Govt. here.

And your suggestion is to go to Tibet to speak to Tibetans?


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 9:27 pm ET

@ZQ-21

The internet has afforded the opportunity to reach out to people of other lands and learn directly from them. This is a wonderful opportunity and time for us all! I have been reading your blogs with Cajazz. Your reasoning is exemplary and well grounded. It is certainly a privilege to read your expressions in your blogs. I hope you will continue to come back to Larry King Live at CNN. It would be a pleasure to see you and read your view points. What a wonderful and rich world we have.

Again, I continue to apologize as I am still at work... and must leave


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 9:30 pm ET

@A. Smith, Oregon

You are wrong!!!!

Those crazed Tibetan burned almost shops they saw,and most of the shops were opened by Tibetans.Many women and children were burned to dead because of the fire.

Tibetans are Chinese,too!

Just like Scotsman are British.

Maybe you were one of those killers,I guess.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 9:38 pm ET

The Chinese soldiers burned thousands of Tibetan temples and monasteries to the ground, murdered its monks and raped its nuns. And the Chinese re-education camp spin is:

'crazed Tibetan's burned a few Chinese shops during a riot over the Chinese horrific oppression and crack down on the Tibetan people as proof that the Dalai Lama is a bad man'?

That is quite a whooper, here in America that would be at least 1/4 pound of some 'thing'.


Popo   February 23rd, 2010 9:42 pm ET

American...

Pls go to China,go to the Tibet and talk to the people there before you choosing your "yes"option so strongly and confidently

Do not belive what you heard from your TV and the words of your president ONLY,you can not get the truth through that

Be a person with Independent individuality and self thinking.

American are nice and friendly people,just like Chinese,we should get more touch with each other and we will know more

Anyway,I still would say that no matter how the other countryies or people think or talk about

'Tibet' was , is and will always be a part of China !!!!
That is all the Chinese people think and will protect even with our life for ever !!!!


mark xing   February 23rd, 2010 10:12 pm ET

As a chinese student who had been to tibet several time, I have to say the independece of tibet is totoally impossible. That is just a little dream for someone who starve for the superb power that he owned 40 years ago. First and foremost, the propotion of the population of tibet changed dramatically, so-called original residents is absolutely minority. It is nothing about eliminate ethnic group, it is all about free migration. So do you think we should support extremely few people's idea, and ignore the larger one's? Secondly, Dalai lama was nothing but a dictator in tibet who advocaties the practice of slavery long long ago. Now he is a monk who activelt take part in polity. Freedom he said, democracy he assert, were the rubber check. Because he can achieve nothing, and I really cast doubt on his incentive.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 10:16 pm ET

@Popo

Your very wise, on this blog we exist as a minority. You know how people would be intrigued by a real dragon? That's how it is here with the Dalai Lama, people do not realize he is like people such as Jimmy Swaggart, Jim Jones, Jerry Fartwell, and Jim Baker. These were so called men of God. They are or were just fakes with greedy hands outstretched and would take their mother's last yuan/yen, nickel in U.S, currency.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 10:21 pm ET

China in the upcoming years will suffer greatly due to lack of food, shelter and basic necessity's. It would be entirely ironic if the Chinese people suffered 100x more than the Tibetan people currently are.

The Chinese Govt. is currently very worried about how to feed, cloth and shelter its people while the worlds economy remains stagnant. In the years ahead, that worry will turn into desperation. During the time of desperation, China's claims on Tibet and the removal of the Tibetan people, resettlement of the Chinese in Tibet will no longer be a driving concern nor even deemed worthwhile.

I won't be laughing when this occurs to China, only sad that China choose to destroy the spiritual heritage of the Tibetan people rather than learn and embrace them as fellow human beings.


Gerald Jolly   February 23rd, 2010 10:27 pm ET

@ZQ-21

I have read all your blogs, and I wish to congratulate you not only on your capabilities with the english language but also you intelligence in debating the chinese point of view.

I know it's early in China right now and as a college student you are probably getting ready for class.

I am proud of the fact that I was a Professor of Business and English at South Western University of Finance and Economics 'SWUFE" for seven years, and I get where you're coming from, because I had many students just like you.

You make your country proud, and my wishes for you is that you never lose your fire in the defense of your country China.

祝贺 你是英雄.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 10:30 pm ET

@Gerald Jolly

Thank you...


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 10:32 pm ET

@Dodie

I'm glad to read your reply and I was just doing what a Chinese should do to tell other countries' friends what the truth is. I believe more and more people will find out they were fooled by Dalai Lama.
Just now I found some photos which have been Photoshoped by Dalai Lama's organizations.It's really funny the way he defined the photos, completely call black white. So I can understand why so many foreign friends support him.
I'd like to do that.I promise.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 10:44 pm ET

@ The Asian Persuasion..
@ZQ-21
@Popo

China has a population of about 1.34 billion people
U.S. has a population of about 308 million
Chinese population behind bars(prison)...about 1.7 million people
U.S. population behind bars(prison) about 2.03 million people

Whose population suffers more from crime and mistreatment?

Chinese defense budget for 2010= about $68 billion dollars
U.S. defense budget for 2010= about $682 billion dollars
The U.S. for U.S. Prison's for 2009 = $68billion dollars.

We spend more to protect ourselves from ourselves than China does to protect itsself from the world.

Your welcome...these are published figures...not made up! Peace


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 10:48 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

Thank you again for your understanding.
I also like Obama, especially his basketball skill,and I believe he would be the man to promote the relationship between the US and China.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 11:03 pm ET

@ZQ-21

Evaluate my last blog...tell me what you see...it's your's to use..it is fairly accurate within 3-4 %....


A. Smith, Oregon   February 23rd, 2010 11:04 pm ET

When the Roman Empire became unable to feed its people and its massive army's, they ordered them to 'Eat Grass'.


Ceci   February 23rd, 2010 11:05 pm ET

LOL
It's just funny to see how enthusiastic Americans become when it comes to "discussing" other countries' internal affairs. The fact is Tibet is still a part of China, whether its independent or not isn't under control of u Americans and voting for that is even more silly cuz you don't kno the truth, at some point we are all fooled by the media. Only people who actually lives in Tibet have the right to speak, not you; and since Tibet is still a part of China, only Chinese have the right to speak, not you. If you do like to stick to your idea, plz pack and actually visit Tibet for not only few days but few years, you will have a chance to hear their complaint abt DALI.


Ceci   February 23rd, 2010 11:10 pm ET

PS. For those of you who says Chinese gov. uses methods to boost up the "NO" choice. Sry to tell you our gov. isn't that free to do so, they have to save you Americans from your Economic Crisis,remember? It all comes from Chinese and Tibetan ppl who are exactly the ppl who should vote. So confusing why some of you have a prob with that


Popo   February 23rd, 2010 11:16 pm ET

Cajazz76:24:8

Thanks Cajazz your reply to me
I am just a ordinary chinese girl who work in China .And there are so many persons think as my way around.I am only one of them

Our Govt have lots of issues as other Country do.We complained them always also.But once,our dominion was oppugned or even assaulted,all the chinese people will be ONE!!! and resist any aggression with no hesitancy!!!

I have to say: American Govt is too simple sometimes native.
DALAI is not really that important to us as you think.But ok,we could pretend to be and let your Govt and People think he was important to China and he was a poise....Your Govt did so many things on him already in a "humen right"or"democracy"clothing.They though they could get what they want with this chessman....But sorry.....you can see the truth........
you can get only Chinese official demurring on your TV but nothing in your life.coz we did care it anyway.................What a sad thing.......


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 11:21 pm ET

@Gerald Jolly

Thank you,Professor.

You're right it's morning now and it's really amazing that I kept awake all night typing.Our classes will begin a few days later as our winter vacation began later.

I feel pride when I can do something little for my mother country.And I am proud of the fact that I was a member in our college class for raising national flag every morning and study in international education class that I will have the chance to study in UK for MBA this year.

Thank you for your encouraging. You let me trust that although I can only make few people change their mind on China and it's too hard for one man to fight against with Dalai's lies all over the wolrd, I must try my best to defend it and let more and more foreign friends know that Dalai was lying through this blog, and one day it will works.


jasmine   February 23rd, 2010 11:29 pm ET

What a ridiculous vote, "Should Tibet be an independet country?" Why don't you ask Obama" Should you be a son of ur mother?" TIBET IS A PART OF CHINA


jerry   February 23rd, 2010 11:33 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

You have all my due respect by presenting those accurate figures.


ZQ-21   February 23rd, 2010 11:36 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

I didn't feel too surprised on that numbers because we all know in the US citizens are allowed to be armed but we can't do that in our country.
Every coin has two sides, the US could defend himself during a robbing or interfering events in wild.But the crime rate raised up along with it.

I'm not sure which is better.maybe the expensive fees come up with expensive the US navy,army,air force deploy and weapons.

Chairman Mao said many hands make light work, but in the field of economy it becomes truely a burden in developing countries like China and India.


jerry   February 23rd, 2010 11:39 pm ET

@A. Smith, Oregon

Oh, my, are you living in 2010? What I see is, it's now America has problem feeding the people, not China. Your health care system, your social security system and even your economy are in big trouble now and in the coming future.


Popo   February 23rd, 2010 11:40 pm ET

hina has a population of about 1.34 billion people
U.S. has a population of about 308 million
Chinese population behind bars(prison)...about 1.7 million people
U.S. population behind bars(prison) about 2.03 million people

Whose population suffers more from crime and mistreatment?

Chinese defense budget for 2010= about $68 billion dollars
U.S. defense budget for 2010= about $682 billion dollars
The U.S. for U.S. Prison's for 2009 = $68billion dollars.

We spend more to protect ourselves from ourselves than
--------------------------------

Hello Cajazz76~~Your calling my name again.It made me happy 🙂

Yes,You spend more to protect yourselves from yourselves than China does to protect itsself from the world.Maybe coz you people were lack of sense of security .

Gun is forbidden in China for personal.So that we do not worry about being shot when we are walking in the street or even in the school!

And also,we really increased our defense budget last year or this year but not as much as US,coz we do not need to be a WORLD POLICE to "protect"Afghanistan or other countries people .and at the same time have to guard against the terrorist from over the world....

Anyway,That is only my own opinions,,,,,,I will not pay any liability for it,lol~~~~^_^~~

Luch Time.....See you ~~~:)


Cajazz76:24:8   February 23rd, 2010 11:44 pm ET

@Popo

You appear so much more than ordinary to the world right now. Don't think you will see throngs of U.S. people worshiping the Dalai Lama. That is just not the way it is here. I agree that as a nation the people of the U.S. do not understand exactly how you see him and especially why the people of China dismiss him, as less, than important. That is why it is so important for you to tell the world, as you see him, and with your own words. Your words are so much more important than your government saying to the world how it feels. Popo, my best to you and the people of China. We see much more than you realize. We just like to wear sunglasses a lot and pretend we don't see. Smile and Peace!


Dodie   February 23rd, 2010 11:52 pm ET

@ Jerry

You are correct.

It is very painful to see the US in such crisis, at every level from education, health care, employment, living conditions…and the list goes on. We are like a ship wavering on the seas trying to stay afloat but slowly sinking. Our future does not look bright. We are facing over population and desperately need to follow China on the one or two child philosophy! It is really tragic!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 24th, 2010 12:00 am ET

@Popo

I can say this Popo has her poopoo all in one bag. Your very, very smart and type faster than I do. I hope you get a laugh from the poopoo joke, I know your aware it means you have it together. I can bet my next bowl of rice your laughing. Keep smiling, if all the people in China would laugh at the same time, the rest of the world go deaf from the loud noise...


A. Smith, Oregon   February 24th, 2010 12:10 am ET

And the Chinese Govt. itself chose to issue a 'talking point' to Larry King!

Wow, that certainly is a surprise. The 'official' line on what to think, speak, scratch and sniff in regards to last nights interview with the Dalai Lama.

When a lie is repeatedly offered as the 'official' State version on what occurred, when if ever is that accepted as 'truth'?

Shortly after Tiananmen Square occurred in 1989, State spinner's began giving the 'official' lie on Tiananmen Square, how and why that massive protest occurred. Is the 'official' State version of Tiananmen Square now seen as the 'truth' by the Chinese people after 21 YEARS? NO!


James31   February 24th, 2010 12:12 am ET

@Jerry,
China, too, has its challenges. The world's financial markets have suffered already this year due to concerns about China's finances. As you know, they recently put the brakes on some stimuli. While some are eager to criticize the US, neither country is in great shape right now.


Popo   February 24th, 2010 12:14 am ET

Hi~~Cajazz&Dodie

Do not be so sad,that made me feel down also..

Trust your country, your people,maybe also your Govt.You can overcome the crisis....

Even we are in the different country, what we want is the same

That is PEACE.....

All the best for American friends also!

By the way,I love your "American Idol" too much,~~~~^_*


James31   February 24th, 2010 12:17 am ET

@Popo, American Idol fan :-).
You are right; the US will overcome its current situation. Sometimes what you hear from Americans is anti-American comments rather than sadness. Most are proud to be American as those in your country are proud to be Chinese. Good luck to you.


Dodie   February 24th, 2010 12:23 am ET

@ Popo. Yes, you are correct. Both countries want the best for their people. Both countries want Peace. The desire of both countries are very much alike! Maybe through discussions like this forum, we can write and design a bridge between our two people for peace and prosperity!

Only the future will tell....


Cajazz76:24:8   February 24th, 2010 12:31 am ET

@James

How are you? Don't answer your blog? Good to see you.


Milklot   February 24th, 2010 12:32 am ET

To supporters of DaLai-the hypocritical democracy leader,
I wonder what did you actually got from your country's media, how much do you really know about the interrelationships between Tibet and the rest of China.
Tibet is China's beloved child, now and forever. Just like New Mexico is your country's integral part.
What if someday CCTV calls a vote for Texas's independence or a poll whether Indian's autonomy should be backed up?

It is our own business.

A religious master is not appropriate for being a political leader. Never .


Popo   February 24th, 2010 12:34 am ET

Hi Cajazz

You are so nice people,and your words let person feel warm
I am waiting my Luch at this moment...so Can I ask a question:(Sorry....for your next bowl of rice...)

Can I know what is POOPOO mean?

Sorry....It was not about CNN's topic ,
but ..I really want to know ..actually,my english nick name has no meaning just the same pronunciation as my chinese nick name in the internet.

I did not learn English as a Major in shcool ,as most of chinese just learn a little bit english for some daily using only....... so everytime people said I had a strange name,I can only give them back a fool&confusing smile.. .................-_-!!!!

Appreciate if tell...........


milklot   February 24th, 2010 12:54 am ET

@ Karma

It's a pity that you took things for granted.
We came here by our own will. We have enough freedom to have our own critical thinking and learn what we want to.
Moreover it is obvious that we know more about the history of Tibet and the reality of those cases than YOU do.

Why is the poll drastically changed? Because, we Chinese love our motherland more.
Mentioned the vote....I wonder how the"Iraqi war president" blackmailed the result of his second presidential vote.


milklot   February 24th, 2010 12:59 am ET

@LapCat
sir ,
i 've read your conclusions....
and just one question which is similar to yours

Do you fear Ben Ladan?
If not, how should we fear that bold-headed monk?


Luis B Rosario   February 24th, 2010 1:07 am ET

" Fear and courage are interwoven. You have to know fear to
meet courage(by reference only)" Luis 2/24/10


ROGER   February 24th, 2010 1:18 am ET

GUYS, NOTHING MORE THAN SEE WHAT THE REAL LIFE IS, GO TO TIBET, SEE WHAT'S GOING ON THERE, SEE PEOPLE LIVING, WOKRING, AND ENJOYING THE GOOD LIFE IN CHINA, NO MATTER THEY ARE CHINESE OR TIBETNESS.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 24th, 2010 1:51 am ET

In the 1800's China claimed Korea as its own also. I guess they gave up on that 'claim' also.

What's the Chinese Govt. official talking line on China's previous claim on Korea?

Didn't the Chinese give up on that?


Luis B Rosario   February 24th, 2010 2:00 am ET

@Dodie
The only way that we can worldwide peace is when every nation and
every country will recognize the right of the other to exist in harmony
and peace. For the tranquility of your people should be my
tranquility. " Our philosophy is convoluted with the thougt that peace
cannot be achieved without war." LBR 2/10/10


A Normal Chinese   February 24th, 2010 2:08 am ET

Dating from the beginning of the world, all normal people alive now have the same ancestor. So, to some degree, could I say that Americans are Chinese, Chinese are Americans, and so on. It's a little bit funny, ha.
We China never intefere with your politics, totally no need to. Personally, you Americans just can't manage your own country well, Why not saving your extra strength to manage America?
We all know, the beloved earth will disappear one day, we human being is merely a process in it. Do all the things we're debating now really so siginificant and unpardonable?
Just be a normal human being, do not live in your own world. The world won't change its pace as you imagine.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 24th, 2010 2:16 am ET

@ ROGER, that is a very kind offer to visit Tibet at this time. With cries of Chinese nationalist expansion sentiments sweeping across China, I wouldn't want to be an American in Tibet if China militarily engages with the Republic of China, Taiwan.

As America rounded up all Japanese citizens within its borders, likely the Chinese would also round up all American citizens wherever they could if hostility's broke out with Taiwan. Guilty and sentencing would of course be pre-determined and you'd be lucky to be lodged in a Chinese gulag begging for a bowl of rice until hostility's had long ceased.


iHeaquarters   February 24th, 2010 2:20 am ET

I think some so-called democratic men should know what they r doing now. They r trying hard to compel people who never know the truth of history in another world to believe that who refuse to be their follwer,isn't it?
To someone: You may say you have the real freedom, yeah,you have! U have the right to criticize everyone you dislike & counter the defence of opposites of urs!
Have u ever think over the "facts" told or broadcasted by ur GOV. or other "democratic" organizations ?
Pls rethink what u no about the truth & the right attitude of treating ideological differences.


Luis B Rosario   February 24th, 2010 2:30 am ET

@Dodie
RE: Toyota 's woes
You guess it right.
According to a University of Michigan professor of Engineering,
he believes that Toyota's accelerator enigma is electronics."
" And the beat goes on." Next time I need a mechanic for my
Tundra I will call you. lol
@Cajazz
Re: your explanation to Popo about the meaning of poopoo.
You are like me the more you try to fix it the more you break it. lol
Hang in there brother -the cavalry is on the vanguard.
Keep up the good work. You are doing great now. Your
exuberance may be contagious.


keer   February 24th, 2010 2:39 am ET

我昨晚发的帖子呢?上了这么久的网第一次被删帖居然是被民主自由的CNN删的,我真是荣幸啊……


Luis B Rosario   February 24th, 2010 2:40 am ET

" The world belongs to the wise and it will be wise to share
our wisdom with the rest of the world. LBR 2/24/10


Cajazz76:24:8   February 24th, 2010 2:42 am ET

@Luis B Rosario

I would spend some time and chat, but I am cleaning the poopoo of myself. It's everywhere...


Luis B Rosario   February 24th, 2010 2:50 am ET

@Cajazz
Don't worry about it. The way the week goes (so fast) we may
have to make it an 8 day week . We may call the 8th day, "Blogday."
have a good night and a great day. Talk to you later.


iHeaquarters   February 24th, 2010 2:56 am ET

I think some so-called democratic men should know what they r doing now. They r trying hard to compel people who never know the truth of history in another world to believe that who refuse to be their follwer is wrong,isn't it?
To someone: You may say you have the real freedom, yeah,you have! U have the right to criticize everyone you dislike & counter the defence of opposites of urs!
Have u ever think over the "facts" told or broadcasted by ur GOV. or other "democratic" organizations ?
Pls rethink what u no about the truth & the right attitude of treating ideological differences.


飞猪   February 24th, 2010 6:31 am ET

@ A. SMITH OREGON
Everybody knows NIXON visited china because he worked for big corps. they could make hugh money selling their stuff to china.
it happens today, can't u see it?


飞猪   February 24th, 2010 7:23 am ET

about CCP.
i don't like somethings CCP did in china. but i know one thing. if there's no CCP, china would get worse.
when US corps want china to be their colony, china would be if there's no CCP.
when US sent army to beijing with other 7 allied armies, qing emperor got to hand in hugh money to 8 countries each year, just because china lost the war.
when more than 8 countries, the whole world who got any forced army and wanted to get a piece of china came to china, they could split china to pieces and build up their own colonies and made hugh money without doing anything good to chinese.
when big corps say bend over to china, china would bend over just to let them kick china;s ass if there;s no CCP.
DO U GUYS KNOW Y JEWISH HAVE TO HAVE ISRAEL? because they need a country. they need to have a strong government to protect the country, as well.
we, as chinese, do need a strong government to protect us.
could u american guys be our protectors? if yes, i vote for u.
u idiots could only believe what you hear from your media. there are propaganda everywhere. do u guys think there's less in the US? morons?
personally, i think CCP is the most NB government in the world. CCP is the one who can say NO to the world on behalf of chinese. CCP won the war in vietnam and korea.
why do u guys hate CCP? it's just because U R JEALOUS!!!!


jerry   February 24th, 2010 11:53 am ET

@James31

That's what I meant in my earlier post: mind your own business, we will take care of our own problems. Time will tell.

BTW, you said "The world's financial markets have suffered already this year due to concerns about China's finances. As you know, they recently put the brakes on some stimuli".

IMHO, the world's financial markets have suffered already these two years due to America's problem (or better say, greed), not China's. If any of China's financial policy has the ability to influence the world's markets in nowadays, it's simply because we are getting stronger, and we should have a say on this.

Thank you.


helen   February 24th, 2010 12:23 pm ET

dalai lama wanna sep up a new country? i agree.

but not in tibet.tibet was,is,and will always being one part of china.dalai lama,please go to the Mars and do what you like.

ah..i'm afraid that you need to take care,beacause NASA is there,they may say Mars is theirs..oh,sh*t,why you are so unlucky???huh???


Luis B Rosario   February 24th, 2010 1:49 pm ET

@Helen
Nothing belongs to China in terms of land and states. If Tibet
wants independence and the majority of the pople in Tibet vote
for it . So will be it. It happened in Russia; it happened in the
United Sites, France, Germany and Canada. It is the free of the
majority of the people to ask, to remain part of a larger country
or to ask for autonomy or complete separation. It is the universal
law of freedom and there is nohting China can or should do
despite itsformidable army and large number of citizens. Slavery
is over. This is the 21st centrury. Stop threatening the vile threats
from sides,China and Tibet. Let's work for peace and mutual
respect.


Luis B Rosario   February 24th, 2010 2:20 pm ET

@ Correction of typos.
The free will of the majority of a country should decide by
legitimate avenues if they want to secede(independence) from
another nation. China itself, had to fight for its independence. It
is not in China's best interests to use military force or other
subjugated methods to keep a country from seceding.


jerry   February 24th, 2010 2:31 pm ET

@Luis B Rosario

Then please tell me why there was a civil war between the North and South in your country about 200 years ago? Why the South couldn't have the independence they wanted?

Why on Aug. 15, 2008, some natives in Hawaii occupied the Palace and claimed they established a new Hawaii Kingdom, and soon they were arrested? Are you going to set up polls for all the people in Hawaii, California, Texas, Puerto Rico, and so on, to see if the people want to be independent?

And what about other western countries, like Spain and Basque, Great Britain and North Ireland? Need me to add more to this list?


James31   February 24th, 2010 2:31 pm ET

@Luis,
Just my opinion; the Toyota problem is electronics. The co-founder of Apple said that a while back and that's one person who knows electronics! Toyota has said several times now that they have found no problem with the electronics. However, sometimes it's what's not being said. They have not said they can rule out electronics; wording is everything if we listen.


Dodie   February 24th, 2010 3:03 pm ET

@ helen

That kind of blog to you comes out of anger! That person is very angry.

Like another one who blogs in here and make inferences which he has NO clue!!! He is delusional.. he thinks he is a mind reader and a god! I guess it takes all kinds to make a world! Talk about destroying the 'gene pool' Maybe with luck, he has no descendants!


Dodie   February 24th, 2010 3:07 pm ET

@ jerry

Sometimes I think it would have been wiser to give those states their independence in the 1860s.


jerry   February 24th, 2010 3:15 pm ET

@Dodie

Thank you for correcting me 🙂 It's about 150 years ago 🙂


Dodie   February 24th, 2010 3:29 pm ET

@ jerry

You have strength and courage to make that last post! Qualities in which I respect!


Donald Allen   February 24th, 2010 4:35 pm ET

well hello Larry what you think about the transparent thing I think it mean they can produce what I,M doing no mater what I try to do concern business I well get no were cas they well just report it right tell me what it mean and I no they don,t mean nutting good by it that is the true I no it just a nutter joke on me and the rest of the people in this country Donald Allen way do they haft to be such crook way you me I no what they or doing there gonna get one way or the other the same old same old


LeeBot or Donald L Allen   February 24th, 2010 6:25 pm ET

I Lee Bot I just want other to no I don,t agree with term of serves it no way to Do Business and I not gonna give you the work I have on my net worth I don't care if you or big Business or small Business it don,t mater to me what I do here is privet and it not for sale or trade you think you or collection MY stuff four you serves it not gonna be that way I well take a lawsuit against how every try it and I don,t care if it the president of the US or how every I don,t care what you do is your Business But what I do here is my Business thank,s I Lee Bot term well not be respected here thank,s again


Luis B Rosario   February 24th, 2010 7:33 pm ET

@ Jerry
You argument is structured wrong. Read the history of the
civil war. The conferate army may have wanted independence
to conduct the slavery trade. If was not the will of the majority of
the people in the South to become independent and the argument
to go to war to protect slavery was not valid because the North
also had slaves. You are lucky that the North won otherwise you
have not been here in the United States or you would have been
the slave of some blonde hair baron.


Luis B Rosario   February 24th, 2010 7:40 pm ET

@Jerry
Correction
I applogize I should have said I would have been a slave because
I'm part of the "Taino" Caribbean Indians(my grandmother was
Indian).


Luis B Rosario   February 24th, 2010 10:42 pm ET

@ Jerry
You state that three(3) men to take over the palace in Hawaii
demanding a new kingdom of Hawaii, and were were arrested.
The were wrong.. The palace was not their kingdom and they
were trespassing and creating a grave situation. In less
benevolent nation they would have been shot. In 1950 the
Partido Independentista de Puerto Rico (PIP) attempted to
place a conventional explosive in the White House and were
arrested and convicted to a lifetime sentence. They were wrong.
There was no need to go to the White House armed with the
intention cause physical injuries including death to innocent
civilians. They were no representing a large segment of the
Puerto Rican Community who would have been demanding
independence. Those days, only one(1) percent of the
community wanted independence but the rest of the
independent movement was not advocating the violent overthrow
of the Puero Rican government, nor violence against the U.S.
PIP under Albizzu Campos wanted a peaceful resolution of
the autonomy of Puerto Rico. Albizzu Campos was a very bright
man and a wise man just like the Dalai Lama. I believe that the
PIP militants that went to the White House acted on their own..
At is today, only less than 2 percent are PIP in Puerto Rico.
Four years ago there was a referendum to decide between
statehood, or to remain associated (a U.S. protecforate). The
association won mainly because there was the believe that PIP
crossed party lines to vote no against statehood(just like it
happened in Massachussets with Sen. Scott Brown-the
Independents crossed the line to boot out the Democratic
candidate). But the Democratic party in Puerto Rico is also
getting fed up with our status quo and now are contemplating
to accept the will of the majority for statehood. Puerto Rico is
very pleased with the Unitred States which has given Puerto
Ricans autoimatic citizenship. Puerto rico has fought alongside
U.S. troops in all foreign wars. Recently P.R. troops were
deployed to Haiti to assist during the earthquake.
The will of the majority means 51% percent .. Any responsible
country leader cannot demand autonomy, or independence
without the approval of more than 51 percent of his country's
citizens in a democracy.
But like you, Helen and other people say Jerry, Tibet/China is for
China and Tibet to discuss in lpeaceful terms without violence
and bloodshed. No country shall be subjugated otherwise.


michael   February 26th, 2010 10:03 am ET

I have to say that many, I really mean many, people in China believe government has hired certain people to surf the internet and leave comments that are in favor of the Communist party, people in china call them "50cents-man",indicating they receive 50 cents for each comment they leave.
And also,most Chinese actually don't know much about Tibet, all they know is what the gov want them to know. You can refer to ZQ-21's statements. She/he doesn't know what happened in TIANANMEN in 1989. Chinese dont have access to truth and a lot of other things that don't match the gov's taste. I'm actually quite angry I can't use twitter facebook youtube.....in mainland China. Well, of course,on the other hand, I believe people in the US are influenced by mass media this way or that as well.
And I've been to tibet, Lhasa has greatly developed, but most part of Tibet is still in great poverty. The scenery there is great and splendid, but only adds contrast to the poor living condition. What I can't understand is how can China can be a country as a whole? people from different places speak totally different languages. When a Shanghainese meets a person from Xinjiang or Yunnan, communication will be very very difficult. It's no longer a matter of "accents" as we commonly find in other countries. They simply fought wars after wars in the long long history of "China" and sometimes become a union and sometimes breakup into many small countries, so it's really hard to say whether Tibet belongs to China.

Speaking of the radical change in the voting result, I believe it's not done by the Chinese gov since I can see "VOTE NO""vote NO"everywhere on my RENREN(samething as facebook,simply copied by Chinese) webpage. Since China has a much greater population.............
Of course, I'm not in favor of the independence of Tibet. I believe that whether or not Tibet should be independent should be decided by the Tibetans themselves. This means I don't think those chinese other than Tibetans are appropriate to vote either, since they know little about Tibet, and all they know , at least most, comes from this "GREAT" government,this great government that I won't dare submit this comment on any Chinese websites,since anyways it will be deleted quickly.
Just the points of my own.


Luis B Rosario   February 26th, 2010 4:38 pm ET

@Michael
I'm glad that you posted this blog with the truth and nothing
but the truth because it apears that you are honest; contrary
to some goons that even have been posting their comments
in Chinese language only without the English translation. I
thought that this was a Larry King production. If you want to post
a blog in another language, translate to English, please. It is
likely hired guns atttempting to push an agenda. It could be
from either interested party Unethical posting involves a conflict
of interest by the blogger that could be a secret agent for the
cause that he is attempting to promote and he/she won't tell
you of his/her intentions. One American blogger admitted
owning property in China. That is a responsible blogger giving
us an idea about where his/her opinion may be coming from
My respect goes to that blogger for sincerity. I have no problem
reading your agend but I should have the right to contradict
without using abusive language, or personal innuendo.

Some bloggers engage in harassment and taunting of others. It
should be a violation of the ethics rules and regulations that
Mr Larry King wrote when you registered to participate in
blogging. Some feed you up with misinformtation and bias
content knowing that what they are doing is pushing their
own agenda down your throat, without providing you with
empirical evidence to back up their claim(s).
I was planning to write about this subject but you beat me
to the press. Congratutlations


hideaki nagano   February 27th, 2010 2:43 pm ET

I thnk geek.I think Albert Bushnell.


hideaki nagano   February 27th, 2010 2:46 pm ET

I think geek.I think Albert Bushnell.


Lopsang   February 27th, 2010 4:45 pm ET

The CNN poll has been Rigged again by CCP, LOng-Live-Hiss Holliness the Dalai-Lama* His Compassion,Wisdom & Humbleness* we need that in this Day & Age of Insecurities,Egos Lies & polliticking by the CCP;


Gorland   February 28th, 2010 12:50 am ET

@A. Smith, Oregon

1, [QUO]Chinese history? Not found in the Tibetan language. Not found in the ancient Tibetian Buddhist religion followed by the Tibetan people.

Excuse my boldness, I guess you have little knowledge of what "Chinese history" means. Because all that you read from" the Tibetan language" is part of "Chinese history". To help you understand this easily, I take the famous "Warring States Period" in Chinese history, basically, there existed 7 countries with 7 different languages and culture which normally included currency, measures, music, literature, and so on whatever you can imagine.

Certainly, you could hardly read one of the 7s' history in the other 6 languages, but I assume it is difficult for Westerners to understand the truth that all of the 7 countries' people acknowledge "Huaxia" ("Chinese" in Chinese)as their common name. How could they act or think this way? Because there is totally different culture from the other side of Pacific Ocean.

OK, here , should you American vote a yes that China should be departed as 7 countries according to "cannot read the history in each other's language"?

Maybe this idea didn't seem that rediculous in US as in China.

2[quo]TIBETAN LANGUAGE

The Tibetan language is very different from Chinese. For one, it is written in an alphabet whereas Chinese is written in pictograms. Moreover, the grammar and pronunciation are very different from Chinese. In Tibet today, students are taught Chinese in school and, in secondary schools, all classes are in Chinese. Tibetan language is becoming less and less useful, and Tibetans who do not speak Chinese have a very difficult time competing in the job market.

As I mentioned above, there were lots of languages in China, and sadlly they are vanishing day by day including my home dialect. I believe this also happens everywhere in the world, but, what we should do is to protect the vanishing culture, not to depart China, Britain, Germany, or the USA..


Zuo   February 28th, 2010 9:12 am ET

First, i wanna say "thx" to every friends who pay so much attention on Chinese issue.

Second,some friend metioned the word "Shanghainese". I donno where did u get the word, but i never saw it anywhere before. Our Chinese really wanna show our friendship wishes to other friend, so please take off the colour glasses first. I think American friend also donnt wanna to be called"Alaskanese,Floridanese......"(sry 4 this example)

Then i should appologize to the host of this blog. Some Chinese people may use Chinese in this blog and which make some foreigner friend say that is unrespect to the blogger. Thoses friends who used Chinese in this blog don't means they are unrespect to someone. They just wanna indentify their veiwpoint and patriotism. Dear friends,put yourself in the same position, if this is a Chinese blog, u wanna to express ur opinion while cannt use Chinese,what will u do? Hope u can forgive a patriotism,everyone love their own country.

Michael said that he had been to Tibet,he saw the great development in LaSha(please call it LaSha). In the other side, he also pointed out that most places in LaSha are still poverty. That's true! but he ignored why LaSha in such a great development? Chinene gov use a very large number of money on the plan of "Western development".LaSha is one of the most important city in this plan. Our Chinese never abandon Tibet, we alway try our best to help them to improve their lives. Friends, if u really want to know what hanppened in Tibet, why not go there for a holiday, u will be in great welcome by Chinese people, what's more,Tibet ia really a beautiful place that worth to pay a visit.

Some friends say our Chinese donnt know our own history, and we just know what our gov lee us to know. In some case,they r right. But what i want to say is that our Chinese are not so blind as some friend imagic. My history get more than 90%. As a Chinese, i donnt think i know less about our ancestor than some other friens.We know what happened in our own country. Power distance&violence exist in every country. China has the biggeset population in the world. Without a gov constraint, that might be in confusion. In that case, we won't disscuss about the human's right, what we can talk is how to live in a orderless place. I don't means our Chinese r like to be rule,what i want to say is everything has two sides.please full-read them and give a enquitable apprisal to it.

I saw someone worried about that people from different part of Chinese could not communicated.I want to tell these friend, date to 2000 years ago in Qin dynasty, Chinese became the only offical used language in China. And now, almost every Chinese people could speak Chinese with no trouble. i'v been to most plase of China(include Tibet) ,never meet problem in language using.

Finally, many thanks to all friends in the world. Today is the Lantern festival in China. Hope every friends could stay with ur family to enjoy a happy time.


Luis B Rosario   March 1st, 2010 1:09 am ET

@Zuo
Great blog.
I wish everybody, including me will try to explains things
on friendly terms like you. I hope to visit China someday, and
if I have time and money I will go to Tibet, too. Zuo you are
always welcome to America.


Gorland   March 1st, 2010 2:23 am ET

Today, I compare the way people talk from the Chinese websites and the US websites, glad to find that the Chinese people are getting more and more humourous which seem rear nowadays in America.

If someone could take Dalai Lama's event easily or humourously, somehow, they are confidently, because poker faces from the Americans show nothing more than inconfidence of what they think or say .

Life at first is with so much chaos, and death may come to everyone in this world in the end, so whynot give more peace, friendship and love before we met in the heaven or hell where we never know how they looks like?

Using an old Chinese saying, there actually exists no troubles until fool man created troubles, and I think the Dalai Lama's event should be a good example accordingly with the westerners as the "fool man".


michael   March 1st, 2010 10:54 am ET

Zuo,I wanna say that you have to face our shortcomings.
I consider you as a Chinese, than I suppose you know ZHOU LI BO,周立波.If you haven't heard about 上海人(Shanghainese), havent you heard about the great dispute between many Chinese about this SHanghai performer,Zhou li bo? We Chinese ourselves created the word Shanghainese ourself, don't deny it.

secondly, if you want to express Lhasa in the Chinese phoneticize ,it's Lasa but not Lasha.

Of course, Chinese gov have never and will never abandon Lhasa and Tibet, in contrary, it is trying its best to keep Tibet as part of China.
Helping it develop is certainly a smart way to do so, but you should know that that's not all the ways the gov is using. Soldiers are there "protecting "Lhasa , but where were they on July 15th?

Congratulations you did 90% on your history!! No wonder those thoughts are in your minds! Of course the history lesson taught in CHina is basically true, but somehow omit things that are not in favour of CCP. Don't deny it, I've just graduated from Highschool not long ago. I didnt know many things until I went to Hongkong, which has information flowing around with much more freedom.

I noticed you mention a "orderless place", excuse me but do you refer that place to Tibet? In fact Tibet is quite in ORDER, except for some riots organized to protest the gov.....

And for your last point , since you don't even know "Shanghainese", it's quite hard for we two educated Chinese to communicate ....Have you been to Shanghai? You understand 上海话(shanghai language)?
of course you can survivebecause you only need 1 person to understand you. It's like when I'm in Paris, many French they don't speak English nor Chinese. But as long as there is 1 kind woman who speaks English, then I can communicate with her. Can you say people in China and France speak the same language??

Ok,actually I'm quite delighted at your manner of speaking, but I'm simply angry at you because your reluctant to face our shortcomings and challenges. After all we are both Chinese, we both hope our country can remain stable, but that doesn't mean being blind and ignorant.

Statements I have made in this comment is only the disadvantages of China, but China has many great points that are worth Chinese being proud of. The purpose I make these statements above is only to make us Chinese awake and do some practical things to help our country to develop , instead of being blindly patriotic.

at last, I really hope China can establish a friendlier&tighter relationship with countries around the world especially America, and that requires understanding between both countries' citizens.


Luis B Rosario   March 1st, 2010 2:29 pm ET

@Gorland
If the Dalai Lama is a certified philosopher as you yourself
attest, I do not think that he will appreciate your adjective " all
Westerners are fools." And your pursuit of happiness in Heaven
after life cannot be compesated by your prejudice . Not all
Westerners are fools, nor are the whole people on earth.
Your generalization "most, or all" disqualifies your assessment
as a profound statement, unless your idea means singular rather
than the plural "a-la- Bill Maher." Constructive criticism is always
welcome but you will not be persecuted , incarcerated, or executed
in the U.S.A. for making negative political statements, even if
you publicly insult the U.S. president. It is not that bad over here.
yet.


Zuo   March 1st, 2010 6:13 pm ET

@michael
Thank u very much 4 ur reply!
1, I should say i feels ashamed to the spelling of "LaSa". Really thx for ur correct.

2,"Shanghainese" might be a word that Zhou Libo created. But that not means much. A famous people may creat some word in some special place,but not means that word should be record to the dictionary. im sorry. i still can't accept it.and most of my friend can't accept it.

3,I study for Chinese history not only from some guidebook and classes as u said, i also tried my best to find the truth. i never deny what u said, but the gov is in improving

4,Chinese & French were quite different languages. so ur example couldn't speak anything. Yes,Chinese may not communicate with someone who use English or French,that only means they are using different language system. My brother lived in Shanghai for years. He never meet problems in communicate with some local citizens in Shanghai coz they all can speak in Chinese. i meant all, not 1 kind of woman in ur example!

5,I donno what do u mean by " some riots organized to protest the gov....."
Do u mean destory other's car in street, rubbe some shop, fired building""".One of my friend in LaSa during last July, what he saw was some terrorists destoryed public facility, smashed cars in the street, fired shops. Could u please tell me what's the matter with the shop owner? She just wanna to work hard and live better, but the terrorists totally destory her dream. What's more, she just one of the sufferers. My friend told me he even donnt dare to go out and buy a instant noodles cos the robbers. So if u really want to know the truth, why not go there and listen what the citizens said about 7.15,and what was really happened there instead of get information from somewhere that u treat as "truth".

6,U said u r Chinese. i need to admit some disadvantages u mentioned r really exist. But please donot overdraw them. im no more agree with ur last standment. So we donnt hav contradictions. what we talked in this comment are two sides of our country, foreigner friends could know more about China from our argument.

Hope every foreigner friends could understand China in a deep level but not from some magazines or some bad guy's mouth. If available, why not pay a visit to China, im quite sure that u will be in great welcomed.
kind regards.


ROGER GU   March 1st, 2010 9:30 pm ET

hey, Chinese here...Zuo, "Shanghainese" is ok, just a new word, some people like it, some not...you and michale did good job on this argument....I would like to draw you guys attention to a fact...The People's Republic of China is just a 61-year-old country since 1949.

If we check the history, every new country has a kinda "strict" protection steps on protecting its new begining. And, China just met problems with too many things – after civil war, heavy industy – 30% remain, and then~~"the Korea War ", "Vietnam War", and "Cold War", the last one no fight but quite influences socialism countries, that "The disintegration of the Soviet Union".....say If you ignore the past, you jeopardize the future...this lesson taught Chinese gov deeply – I believe..... So, coming some reactings that increse controlling the media and information which realted to the "Secession"... that we must do and have to do.... but our gov has changed a lot, they've being try to give the information to all the people on earth – so, why you guys just give China some days.

Here is some number and infomation for your reference. In 1949, China has population: 0.54 billion.no gold reserve..., In 1952, GDP per capita is 112 RMB (16.5 US$ now)... even PRC is not recognized by the world....But what we have there, Chinese's diligence and peace.


Gorland   March 1st, 2010 10:36 pm ET

@Luis B Rosario

First thank you for your comment of passion. However, I checked myself again and failed to find prejudice of this topic at this time, maybe I have prejudice on other topics, anyway.

I didn't mean that all the westerner were fools at anytime when they were doing anything, but mean they acted "the fool man" in the Chinese old saying at this time in the Dalai Lama's issue.

Actually, I have several friend from the US and had a lot of talk with many professors from US, I know that Americans have more freedom when they critisize the government, which I appreciate and love. But only this advantage gives no more rights to you to ignore the truth in China and bravely enough to say anything without judging it rationa or not , just because you have a, you know, moral advantage,"more freedom in speech?" This is not sincereness in discussion, but arrogance to inform the mis-presumed " disadvantages who lack of speech freedom."


Gorland   March 1st, 2010 11:01 pm ET

@Zuo and Michael

Shanghainese is ok, I studied in a university in Shanghai 5 years ago and most of the local students showed no disagreement of this address.

I think we should not be to too sensitive of a name, a form of address, or any other such thing which is just on the face, I myself could accept this rather than the disrespect when one say these address only in order to show humiliation.

For example, Americans called Chinese "China man" in past makes me uncomfortable, because there really showed contempt, just like "the black", "Hey, negreo" intead of "African American".

We use a certain form of address because people are familiar with it. So we don't call the US people as, Americanese, American man, or even Emigrants of Non-Americans as they actually were.


Luis B Rosario   March 2nd, 2010 1:26 am ET

@Gorland
Your response is diplomatic and I respect that. Your sincerity to
explain your argument is acceptable. My freedom of speech stops
when yours begins. But let remind you most Westerners don't even
know where Tibet is located at, nor do they may know about Dalai
Lama. They are more interested in mundane things than in religious
conflict. (We may be fools at that). Westerners do not care about
taking sides between China and Tibet. What bothers them is that
China is fostering nuclear proliferation in Iran and continues
to oppose sanctions against Iran despikte the fact that Iran has
publicly announced that they intend to build a nuclear bomb
followed by denials. But Iran but 108 nuclear gear gauges
from a Chinese Company via Taiwan(Read World news 3/1/10
" At least a dozen times, Iran has tried to use third countries
as transhipment points for obtaiining controlled, nuclear -related
equipment. In the case. Early last year Roc Master and Supply
Co. based in Shangai ordered 108 nuclear pressure gauges
needed for centrifuges to churn out enriched uranium. Roc Master
went against China's and Taiwan's policy to supply the 108
nuclear gauges to Iran knowing that it it against the law. The
West is still waiting for China to reprimand Roc Master and
to demand that Iran return the 108 guages that were obtained
under false pretenses by Roc Master acting as an agent of Iran.
For more info read St Petersburg Times, page 3A 3/1/10
Iran Buys Nuclear Gear Amid Sanctions." (World News)


John   March 2nd, 2010 2:11 am ET

99% of the commenters do not have any clue about the Tibet Issue.

only a few of you know Dalai Lama is not a name, it is a title.

even fewer know the origin of the title. even fewer know what is the flag those "tibetans" are waving. read an university history text book about Tibet, you will be shocked.


Gorland   March 2nd, 2010 3:02 am ET

@Luis B Rosario

Seems we have some in common of opinion if I take you right, but if you shift the topic to NUCLEAR suddenly, oh, man, that will be a totally different dicussion, and maybe difficult for we to continue another 2 pages here in the blog...

Well, make it brief, about nuclear, Albert Einstein said He didn't know which kind of weapon we would use in World War Three, but know stones used in the 4th. So to every single person in this world, nuclear weapon couldn't be a more God-damn thing than God should damn it. However, the question is, there is no trust here when small countries always face the threat from the 3 giants nuclear states, the USA, Russian, as well as China, so if we (I use a "we" here refer to the 3 giants) are not so willing to eradicate domestic nuclear weapons day by day, little by little, how could we so unshamably to claim," this country , that country, since you are trying starting nuclear weapon, you are the enemy of the humanbing, and we certainly have the priority to attack you, destroy you, and finally eradicate you?

Did humanbing historically or suddenly deal with other countries in this way? But this way is not familiar with Chinese people, historically or presently.

Well, about nuclear, climate of trust should be made by the 3Giants first, from such action, and only from such action, could we gain the right to condemn or attack other countries, ironicly, the truth is US continuing to be the biggest Nuclear- Weapon Country at the very time.


michael   March 2nd, 2010 6:45 am ET

@Zuo

First I have to say we are kind of running off the topic, but I have to stand out to make some points clear to him.
others may just ignore this comment unless you have read Zuo's as well.

1,I think you're not very good at English and has misunderstood or maybe simply ignored some of my points.
2,I think your Chinese isn't very good either ..."lasa"//lasha....
3, based on 1&2, I highly doubt what kind of "truth" can you find..well, of course the gov indeed is improving,but still has a lot to do.
4,ZHOU LI BO didn't create Shanghainese, in fact it's impossible to say who invented that word, since a lot of people use it..so I was indeed shock to learn that you don;t know that word...
5,you don't know ZHOU LI BO, that's ok,fine...but how can you ignore the fact that people from north and from south of China do have a lot of diffrences and arguments online...
6, I've been in SHanghai sincee elementary school, so I guess I know Shanghai better than you and your brother do. It's a huge lie to say everybody says Chinese in China if you refer Chinese as Mandarin. You said you've been to many places. In fact I've been to many places too. Hainan, Yunnan, Guizhou, Liaoning,Heilongjiang, Xinjiang,Tibet,Xian,Zhengzhou,Hongkong,Jiangsu,Anhui.......Can't recall all of those places..simply too many..well sure, since the gov has laid great emphasis on spreading the coverage of Mandarin, most regions have some people who speaks Mandarin, but when two regions are far away, their traditional language actually differs a lot. So, don't be so naive to say that people speak the same thing and can understand each other all over the country.
7,I learn news from both Chinese media and western media since I know they all serve for their politics, just a matter of on what degree do they do this.Of course I can't say I know exactly what happened that day, but I know there was a riot on 715,right? I said that was to protest the gov, but did I say they did it in a proper manner? And what do you expect a riot to be? Speaking gently face to face? What I said was "In fact Tibet is quite in ORDER, except for some riots organized to protest the gov", saying that if CCP wasn't in charge, that particular riot wouldn't happen, can you deny that? Of course I don't mean that other violent events won't happen, but that one sure wouldn't.

Again, I'm simply trying to make ZUO & some other chinese see things in this country clearer, instead of being blindly patriotic. China is a great country and is rapidly developing, and that's why I chose to stay in Shanghai,China. Disadvantages only make this country more real and sound true, since there doesn't exist a flawless country even in the world.
Apology goes to everyone for I'm a liite off topic.


Luis B Rosario   March 2nd, 2010 11:09 am ET

@Michael
I found topic very informational for general consumption without
prejudice. Thanks.


Gorland   March 2nd, 2010 1:07 pm ET

Er, simply what in favour of you was without prejudice.
I think this "prejudice" has a quite different definition from dictionaries.

PS, I agree with Michael about the languages of different provinces in China as far as I know. Additionally, the languages actually are dialects with very different pronunciation sometimes, and mostly, the pronunciations make people couldn't understand each other from different places, I myself is from Anhui province, this province has a lot of mountains and river which isolated people in different parts geographically in the past, so these people hardly communicated orally with each other, so differenct pronunciations diverged more and more, an extreme example my grandpa told me was that people from Jing county takes She county's pronunciation as dog's and, themselves' were taken as frog's around, but there is only a mountain seperating them at a distance of just about 5 miles.

But there is one thing should be clear, commonly, people all through China use only one language since they use the same written language, because no educated man find it difficult to read the four classic novels, or Confucius, or if I write a letter to a pen friend far away in Guangdong province, I will never worry if he could read it as I worry that I can't catch his pronunciation. However, there are some other written languages from the ethnic minority like Tibetanese.This also exist in Britain, France, Germany, Italy, and the USA, but all of them take English, Frence, Italian as their official languags as China takes Madarine as its official language. In the end, official language makes more communication conveniance and make understood more easily and accurately.


Gorland   March 2nd, 2010 1:35 pm ET

@michael

Off topic here may be good since the original topic goes dull somehow, what you discussed with Zuo was more interesting

I agreed with you of the opinion of languages above, but I just find this below can't be agreed by me,"saying that if CCP wasn't in charge, that particular riot wouldn't happen, can you deny that? Of course I don't mean that other violent events won't happen, but that one sure wouldn't."

According to strict law of concluding opinion in the Western philosophy, I find no base of common discription but illusion here to draw your opinion. Why the CCP not in Charge, that particular riot wouldn't happen? I hardly understand this because you hadn't analyse to a "why", I'm not hereby to "deny", but eager to see your logic course of this undeniable conclusion.


michael   March 2nd, 2010 11:45 pm ET

@Gorland

Ok, I don't have that much time so I'll make this simple.
1,Since we are here talking about Tibet, if you write a letter to a random stranger in Tibet, I think you would agree that you might have to worry if she or he could understand what you wrote.
2,First let me apologize that I had mistakenly took the date of Xinjiang riot for the Tibet riot.Since I mentioned the topic first, you should tell me that, if you disagree with me, why? What do you think has caused the riot? As far as I know, Both western and Chinese mass media admit that that particular riot is to intended to claim some kind of independant from and show their protest against China, from the CCP gov.

I may be travelling again in a few days so maybe I would not be back to this little "forum" again, but I hope all the people here can put aside their nationalities and their prejudice , face the undeniable truth ,and discuss this matter as objectively as possible.


Luis B Rosario   March 3rd, 2010 12:38 am ET

Russia closer to Iran Sanctions
{The Nation & the World by St Petes Times 3/2/10)
Russia's president said Moscow was ready to consider new
sanctions on Iran for its nuclear defiance, and the chief of the
international. Atomic Energy Agency warned that the cannot
confirm that all of Tehran's atomic activities are peaceful. Still,
President Dmitry Medvedev comments appeared to be the
strongest sign to date that the Kremlijn was prepared to drop
traditional opposition to such penalties if Tehran remains
obstinate(about producing nuclear weapons).
China and Russia have in the past blocked Western attempts
for a fourth set of sanctions, with Beijing traditionally following
Moscow's lead. But because it depends on Iran for much of its
energy China may continue to resist pressure from the other
four council members( it appears that China is willing to forgo
secruity and stablity for the rest of the world in lieu of oil).
Iran is refusing to freeze uranium enrichment-a potential
pathway to nuclear weapons -and other activities generating
concderns that it needs to make fissile warhead material. Iran
inisists, however, that it is enriching only to make nuclear fuel
for enviaged reactor network( If you believe that alibi, I will tell
you one about cowboys and Indians).
IAEA Chief Yukiya Amano told a meeting of the Vienna based
agency's 35 nation board that he cannot verify that Iran's nuclear
activities are peaceful. And international officials revealed a new
source of friction between Iran and the agency, telling the
Associated Press that Tehran was resisting IAEA efforts to
improve monitoring of the Islamic Republic's recently launched
higher enrichment program.
P.S.
Iran closed a leading newspaper and magazine critical of the
government Monday, further silencing dissenting voices in the
Islamic Republic after months of anti-government protests."
according to the "Nation & the World news " and reported
by the St Petersburg Times(verbatim).


Gorland   March 3rd, 2010 2:13 am ET

@michael

Michael, I suppose you have more knowledge of China than other foreigners since you live in China, so I might be understood easier by you.

1, If you wrote letters in Chinese to 2-year-old Chinese children from whichever provinces,or to my 90-year-old grandpa, I guess, they would never understand those. Why ?Ilitterate or not is the point here. I have several friends from Xinjiang and Tibet, most of them were schoolmates 5 years ago in Shanghai, basically, some of them speak Madarine better than me who was influenced by my home accent that time. An educated man from Tibet or Xinjiang couldn't read a letter in Chinese? Don't make a big joke when trying to be a lie exposer.

However, I agree with you that Tibetans and Xinjiangnese also have their own languages which is the truth, but these are not the official languages in China, as the US gor never use the aboriginals, Indian's language intead of English as the working language.

The reason is simple, conveniance and accuracy. I also suppose that you are familiar with the American history to see that about 400 years ago, 104 Englishmen established Jamestown on Jamesriver on the North-America continent, and in the continued 150 years, people from France, Ireland, Germany, Netherland, Italy and other European countries migrated in Jamestown, they spoke different , wrote different, wore different, and furthermore respected God in different ways, and, attention, the biggest mirocle happened that these very people found the USA which lasts ever to now.

And, all of them speak and write English, though with an so-called American accent which depised as crude for a long time by the British who thought they were pronouncing the King's English. So what, to depart the 50 states into 50 nations because of the perplexity in language history? Er..

Well, about languages in China, if you read the history of Emperor Qin, whom also described in the movie Hero by Zhangyimo, he had all the former 6 kingdom speak and write only one language, and that's more than 2250 years ago in China compared with the above 400 years ago in your colourful Jamestown.

Rational, mean think it about, about and about, then conclude something which you yourself are always ready to deny it when finding the faw.

2, About the 75, I said I did deny your judgement:" no CCP, not such riot", I said am eager to your "why" to explain this judgement.


Gorland   March 3rd, 2010 2:46 am ET

@Luis B Rosario

I am tired to read what you copy from the mass media, for I read NYtimes, Washington Post every day, Newsweek, Time magzine, even the Play Boy as soon as they published.

Tell you what, you can read NYtimes, W.P, Newsweek freely through the Internet freely and for free in China, if you don't believe this, ask Michael, he lives in China.

Speak what you think in your own, I feel pressure when you take me as illiterate.


Luis B Rosario   March 3rd, 2010 4:08 am ET

@Gorland
Lucky that you are not my college professor. If you were I will have
reply firmly but respectfully. I did in the past and I gained some
respect, not scorn. I can write 20 pages without using direct
quotations from books or newspapers(can you do it without being
redondant) ? . Notice that I did not address the subject to you(if you
are referring to 12:31 A.M. E/T, 3/2/10. I wrote it for general
consumpton because some people can't read the papers, or
books because they don't have money, time or patience to read .
Sorry to inportune you but this blog does not belong to me but
to Larry King The artcle about Russia and Iran is to make people
aware that Iran is a threat to all mankind, not only the Middle East.
Sorry Gorland, I didn't mean to importune you. You are a friend
of the court and a distinguished member of the blogger community.


Luis B Rosario   March 3rd, 2010 4:26 am ET

@Gorland
My sincere apoloty. My article "Russia closer to Iran Sanctions,"
has nothing to do with you. I believe that you are a great
person trying to deliver your message just like anybody else.
Enjoy the night and day.
Always a friend,
Luis


michael   March 3rd, 2010 5:47 am ET

@Gorland
maybe your english is just too poor to understand what others are writing...and it also makes your comments hard to be understood..since there are so many errors in them..
ah...So, if you didn;t read what I said attentively enough, I'll have to say it again....I'm a Chinese ,too. ah!! Please show me respect by not forcing me to say what I had said before...
besides..what do you mean by saying " About the 75, I said I did deny your judgement:” no CCP, not such riot”, I said am eager to your “why” to explain this judgement"..maybe my english is too poor, but I'm sorry to say I really can't understand this..maybe you could try to use Chinese since using english seems to be a torture to you.

Ok, man, face the truth!!! what is the percentage of people in Xinjiang and Tibet to have the chane to study in Shanghai? or even go to school??? Even in Lhasa, the most developed part of Tibet,the percentage wouldn't be high.

So stop calling me a liar ..(using "lie exposer "as you did sounds really awkward)What you have stated basically has no difference between "the French woman"I have mentioned in my previous comments.(If you overlooked that one, then go back and check it)
The proportion is just too small to represent a whole lot of people in Tibet. I'm ashamed to have you as a Chinese if you aren't brave enough to face this truth and call others "lie exposers" by telling lies yourself.That's not what we are credited for and known for. We are known for being honest ,industrious , modest and clever. So don't bring shame on yourself and our country.
You really make me angry , and you are spoiling my joy of vacation. So please, please please don;t do that again.
At least tell the truth, ok?
P.S.,don't try to learn history from commercial movies. just a little piece of advice. And by the way, nobody forced the Americans to all speak English(at least I don't know who had,if I'm wrong then correct me)..They simply needed to..but Tibet people and those people thousands of years ago...the didn't feel the need to change, or else they would themselves.


Gorland   March 3rd, 2010 5:53 am ET

Luis, I apologise to you, I think maybe some of my words hurt you somehow.

and I am touched by your diligence to this blog because its early in the morning in US, by the way, are you living in US just now, if so, you should get more rest for health.

The time here in China is 17:26 pm now.

With English as my foreign language, I confess that it would be a hard work for me to write a paper for 20 pages. When I graduated 5 years ago.

About the information of China, I think I am qualified to say some truth. I got a jop in a newpaper and always have been paid attention to the life that ordinary Chinese people live, looking into them, talking to them, writing about them, and finally asking for their benifit from the gov( you know the CCP) as a journalist should do. And this work carried out all over China but one city, one province, or one enthic. And I believe the stories I get from every living Chinese are more credible than the discriptions in Hollywood movies, or some foreign journalists who just have been in China for only several years, for I myself living in China for tens of years find something in China hard to explain, or even solved.

So if you are really interested in China, you cann't be more welcomed to talk with me to get whatever informaition you want. I surely can't be your professor, and I even so willing to learn from no matter whether you are a student or an old wise philosopher, well , the famous Confucius said, When three people gethered, they would finally find each other as a teacher on whatever aspect.

Thank you, though, always friend.


justice   March 3rd, 2010 6:17 am ET

1. the Tibet issue is created by USA, UK and India (d-a-m-n colonialism), but not by China. China is in fact the victim;

2.the Western people in general know nothing of history of China mainland and Tibet.

3. politicians know something, but they just deny the truth;

4. mess media do not want to know the truth, they just want to sell their 'media product' , but they cheat themselves that they are telling the truth and they are for justice and freedom (they also have the freedom to create fake photos and rumours and spread in it public);

5. Tibet issue is not really freedom or human rights related, it is just a war between the west and China for the purpose of control and competition. In short, both Tibet and Dalai are the tools of the West;

6. the pitty western people are misled by politicans and mess media, so naive;

7. if you want to know the truth, you must go to Tibet and China mainland to see it and compare it with what happened in history; you must also have a study on the history between Tibet and the West.

8. I am really curious: the West invaded Tibet, China mainland and a lot of other countries, they kill, they rob, they burn,they rape, they split other countries and rule them with violence and economic control, how could they be so brave now as if they are innocent and they are for true justice?!

9. the answer is in fact very simple: the west (USA) must be the ruler and owner of the whole world, they do not care about the truth, but power. Tibet issue as well as Taiwan and Xinjiang issues, are just the steps that lead to the door of the absolutely sole power.


Gorland   March 3rd, 2010 6:34 am ET

@michael

Sorry to know that you're Chinese.
I apologise that I missed some words in some of the sentences because of quick typing which you should figure out if with your " good English".

I notice that you attacked Zoo of his English as well as Chinese, and now the turn is mine, er, you know, if you showed more thing by your words than attack others' grammar or just typing, you would get my respect.

About ackward English, I find to many example in your text above, if you want to know, okay,

1, The first letter of the beginning word of a sentence, we usually use a capitalization which you simply ignored for many times.

2, We don't say "understand what others are writing", but "others say"or "others have written".

3, We don't use" didn;t" but "didn't as you did.

4, We don't say" I am a Chinese" but " I am Chinese" usually.

5, We don't say " to be a torture to you" but "to be torture to you"

6," have the chane to study in Shanghai"? did you mean "chane"? and what's that?

7, I never call you a liar, I mean use "lie exposer" to say that you were trying to expose others as liar according to your context above. Were the two words so hard for you to get? Oh, God.

At last, I am not a man focusing on these unimportant things like grammar, spelling or wording. Zoo was kind enough to tolerant your arrogance, I wish I could be Zoo but failed.

I said that you were really angry and charged me of not telling the truth. Wasn't I telling the truth, or the truth I told didn't support your conclusion? So this was the very thing that made you "really angry"

Think about this during your coming vacation.


justice   March 3rd, 2010 6:57 am ET

Dear Dodie, you are really brave enough o cheat yourself and others. You said that 'The Dalai Lama has established a democracy for the 100,000 Tibetans who followed him across the Himalayas into exile. His refusal to use violence in Tibet's struggle for freedom won him the Nobel Peace Prize in 1989'---can I ask you a few questions:

what was the political and social system in Tibet before 1959?

Does slave owners create democracy?

Many Han workers were killed and shops were burned in 2008 by Dalai's followers, is this violence?


michael   March 3rd, 2010 7:21 am ET

my god......respect Zuo! Please!

Who's Zoo?You mis-typed it twice?? Since it's not that easy to mix up "o" and "u" when typing,so either you lied again and made up a "Zoo"or you just don't read with enough care before you reply. That's a great shame for you.

ah..you really wanna do this? I don't know if I have the patience to list down all the mistakes you've made in your comments.....
even when you're listing my mistakes, you yourself made a lot ,too...

ackward? I mean use ?figure out if with your ?There are simply too many...I can list a lot lot more if you want, but it's just a waste of time.And I'm sorry to tell you you should change the "we" in "We don't say" into "I",because "We" actually do say "I'm a Chinese" and "We" do say "a torture"...So please don't show you're ignorance anymore. People do make mistakes when they type, but not that many,and not that kind of mistakes you have made, so please stop using that reason. Be true to yourself and face your weak points, then I'll respect you more.I told you that your English is poor but I did not mean to embarrass you, I was simply trying to hope you could use Chinese to communicate your points, in order to convey them clearer.

"Wasn't I telling the truth, or the truth I told didn't support your conclusion?" Sorry again , but I have to tell you that even if you didn't intend to do so, you are indeed not telling the truth. Since you "got a jop in a newpaper and always have been paid attention to the life "(look at this....),I believe you know a lot. Then tell me,what is the percentage of people in Xinjiang and Tibet to have the chace to study in Shanghai? or even go to school???If you are "not a man focusing on these unimportant things like grammar, spelling or wording" ,then why are you ignoring these questions but sticking to "don;t"s?
Don't want to face them? Sorry man, they do exist.
I can understand your feelings, your eagerness to prove that our great country is flawless and just too perfect. But is it? There are problems, and quite a lot. We have to solve them one by one, not by ignoring them.It's like saying "what a sunny day" in a fierce storm, if you don't go and find an umbrella, you'll always get wet, no matter how sunny it is in your imagination.

If you still choose to ignore all those problems, then all these words here will be a waste.
And since you're simply repeating points you have made and busy defending yourself, so I'm looking forward to some new points from
you, and that requires you to pay close attention to what others have said. If you can't, then I have nothing else to say either, since you've kept ignoring my points and made no response to them...
P.S. Do you mind telling me what my conclusion (you've mentioned in your comment )is?


Gorland   March 3rd, 2010 8:01 am ET

Michael
1, I understand you're too angry to keep controll, but if you can't clean your own grammar at first, you may hold your tongue to critisize this one, or that one. Why not face your own weakness in English first if you treat yourself as a man of responsibility?

It is really hard for me to understand that you become so mad just because a disagreement? So why came to this blog, keep yourself in your own room and appreciate your great opinion day to night happily instead of angrily.

2, I said I didn't focus on other's mis-typing as you did. Simply, you are fond of this because you have nothing more to draw attention.

3, You must be drunk just now to forget what you concluded yesterday, "saying that if CCP wasn't in charge, that particular riot wouldn't happen", but it seems you have no ability to give a "why", because you always avoid talking about the reason.

4, If you are so drunk or just keep shouting like an ape from the zoo, I think I should not waste time on you until you return to humanbeing.


Whitney   March 3rd, 2010 8:07 am ET

Riots in Lhasa – By a Finnish professor

  by Eirik Granqvist, a foreign expert in Shanghai who visited Tibet in 2006

  "The western medias announced that China had cut all information and that articles about the riots could not be sent out! I got mad about all the apparently incorrect information and wrote this article and two other similar ones although I am not a journalist but just because I could not stand all the bad things about China that was told. I sent them by e-mail without problems and they arrived well but two newspapers did neither respond neither publish what I had written. The third answered and wanted a shorter version that was published many days later as a normal 'readers voice'. What Dalai Lama had said was largely published every day together with a real anti-China propaganda. What I had written was apparently too China friendly for the 'free press'."

  I was very shocked by what I had seen in the television and been reading in China daily about the riots in Lhasa. The most that shocked me was anyhow may be not the cruel events by themselves but how the medias in my country of origin, Finland, reported the events. A friend has scanned and sent me articles and I have checked also myself what can be found at Internet.

  Very few Finnish people have ever visited Tibet, but I was there together with my wife in 2006. This was private persons and not as a part of a group-travel. I have seen Lhasa with my own eyes. I have been talking and chatting with people there. This was without any restrictions. Okay, we had a lovely and very competent guide that helped us much and took us where we wanted to go in the mornings but in the afternoons we were alone. Therefore I think that I have something to tell.

   I am also interested in history and know more than people in general. When writing this, I do not have any reference books so I write out of my memory. If I do a small mistake somewhere, I beg your pardon. Anyhow, I think that this gives my writing an objectivity. I am well aware of that I will be accused for this and that for writing what I think is the truth. I will be accused by those who think that they know but do not know and by those that haven't seen by their own eyes.


Whitney   March 3rd, 2010 8:08 am ET

(continued)
Tibet was for centuries an autonomous concordat between Nepal and China. Sometimes China ruled Nepal as well. The king of Tibet used therefore to have one Chinese wife and one Nepalese and then a number of Tibetan ones.

  With the fifth Dalai Lama, the religious and the political power were unified under the rule of one person, The Dalai Lama. Tibet became a theocratic dictatorship and closed itself for the rest of the world. No foreigners were anymore allowed in.

  At the end of the nineteenth century, the famous Swedish traveller Sven Hedin made an attempt to reach Lhasa but was sent politely back, out of Tibet by Dalai Lama.

  A French woman, Alexandra David-Néel was more successful. She visited Lhasa dressed as a Tibetan pilgrim and she was fluent in the Tibetan language. She told how she was afraid many times that she should be discovered and then she knew that she like other suspects or opponents should "happen to fall down" from the walls of the Potala palace.

  Tibet was not a paradise. Tibet was an inhuman dictatorship!

  The weakened Chinese Qing Dynasty had more and more lost its influence in Tibet. Tibet became more and more interesting for the Russian empire in the north and the British in the south.

  In 1903 a British army expedition directed by the colonel Younghusband reached Lhasa. The British lost 4 soldiers but slaughtered more the 700 Tibetans that tryed to stop them, mainly by magic. The British installed "a commercial representation" in Lhasa. The Chinese evacuated Dalai Lama to the Qinghai plateau where he hade limited rights of move, probably for preventing him from having contacts with the British occupants.


Whitney   March 3rd, 2010 8:10 am ET

(continued)

The Finnish national hero, Marshal Mannerheim, visited him there in 1907 during his famous horseback trip through central Asia. He was then a colonel in the Tsar Russian army and his trip was in reality a spy trip. Therefore the 13th Dalai Lama was interesting.

  The power of Dalai Lama was weakened. In 1950 the PLA marched in to Tibet without war. The 14th Dalai Lama seems at the beginning to have accepted this just as a security for his power as the theocratic dictator he was. He enlarged and restructured the Norbulingka Summer Palace in a luxury way in 1954.

  The Chinese decided anyhow to finish with the cruel theocratic dictatorship under which the opponents fell down from Potala. The borders where during this dictatorship closed for all foreigners and the only schools where the religious ones. It is well known that it is easier to rule a population with a low education and is ignoring the outside world. In Tibet, about 5% of the population owned everything and the rest literally nothing. About 40% of the Tibetans were monks and nuns living as parasites on the rest of the population that had to feed them. Tibet was not a paradise!

  Now China decided that the Tibetans should have the same rights and place in the society as the rest of the country's population. The monasteries should be emptied from their excessively large monk and nun populations.

  Tibet could earlier be reached only by some horse trails and was for the rest insulated. The Chinese built rapidly a trafficable road. The insulation was broken.

  In 1959, the young Dalai Lama caused a peoples upraising, using the religion as power since he was loosing his own powerful position. The upraising was however stopped, may be in not a too clever and smooth manner. Dalai Lama then left Tibet and his fellow citizens and escaped to India wherefrom he has continued to fight for his come back and reinstall the theocratic dictatorship that China will never allow again.

  Then followed the ten years of Cultural Revolution that was an unhappy time for all China that closed itself to the rest of the world.


Whitney   March 3rd, 2010 8:14 am ET

(continued)

Now Lhasa has a modern airport and a railway. China has invested a lot in Tibet. The standard of living has been raised a lot in Tibet and last Xmas I have seen Tibetans spending sun-holidays on Hainan Island! Very lucky looking old women in traditional dresses walking on the beach with their husbands and the youngsters dressed like other young people enjoying the beach life.

  The possibilities for Dalai Lama to take back his power has diminished and he does not anymore have the population with him. China and India are developing their cooperation and with the closer friendship, India will for sure also not more admit Dalai Lama to disturb this development. His possibilities to act against China will be diminished.
  Therefore he undertook recently an around the world diplomatic travel since he has seen the possibility of harming the now good international image of China and provoking boycotts of the Olympic games in Beijing.
  The Lhasa riots where very well prepared. Curriers where crossing the borders illegally for to see Dalai Lama and get his orders. A group of foreign mountain climbers filmed recently across the border an unlucky incident when one of these curriers got shot and another that crossed the border openly declared that he wanted to go to see the Dalai Lama. I have seen that in television just before I left for China in November.

China is no longer a closed country. There is no need for illegal border crossings if you are not doing something illegally! You just ask for a passport and take the necessary visas and cross the border at a legal border crossing or better, just take a regular flight from Lhasa to Kathmandu!   
There where no peaceful demonstrations in Lhasa that where brutally knocked down! Young men went to action after a well prepared scenario at many places at the same time so that police and fire brigade should be taken by surprise and unable to act everywhere at the same time. This was successful! People where just knocked down without differences and all what could be broken was broken in the shortest possible time. With Molotov cocktails, fires where lit and fire cars where stopped. 18 normal citizens where killed without feelings and one police. The police had order to not respond with firearms for not being internationally blamed!   

When I have seen the filmed riots in television, my diagnosis was immediately clear. The scenario was the same that I had seen many times of organized riots in France since more the forty years of tight familiar contacts and 21 years of living there. The difference was only that less ordinary people seemed to take part in Lhasa. The rioters where surprisingly few but well organized! China's positive image in the world should be damaged!   


Whitney   March 3rd, 2010 8:17 am ET

(continued)

Dalai Lama is acting as the friendly and peaceful father. This is an old trick that also dictators like Hitler and Stalin used. I am not comparing him with them but he is acting like a demon when he tries to take back his power at any cost, not once caring for human lives and against Buddhistic non-violence principles. It was a try to do a coup d'ètat that failed. Now he is asking for international help for to stop the violence that he, himself had planned!   
When I visited Tibet in 2006, I was surprised by the relaxed atmosphere and the few policemen in Lhasa. All that I have seen were Tibetans. Not the Han-Chinese. The atmosphere was remarkably peaceful and gave a picture of general well living. There was no oppressed feeling like I had seen so many times in the Soviet Union and its satellites before all that non-human system collapsed. People in Lhasa where friendly and wanted to speak to me, mostly without success since I do not speak Chinese nor Tibetan but up and then somebody could speak some words in English. Their wish for contact was just out of normal curiosity towards the foreigners.   
I had heard that the religious life should been oppressed but it was flowering! I had also heard that so many Han Chinese where moved in that the Tibetans where now very few in Lhasa. I did however see much more Tibetans there. May be that the Han Chinese where hiding?   
The western medias announced that China had cut all information and that articles about the riots could not be sent out! I got mad about all the apparently incorrect information and wrote this article and two other similar ones although I am not a journalist but just because I could not stand all the bad things about China that was told. I sent them by e-mail without problems and they arrived well but two newspapers did neither respond neither publish what I had written. The third answered and wanted a shorter version that was published many days later as a normal "readers voice". What Dalai Lama had said was largely published every day together with a real anti-China propaganda. What I had written was apparently too China friendly for the "free press".

-END-


michael   March 3rd, 2010 8:26 am ET

What a shame..read all the comments I have left and you'll find the "why",this time I'm not going to repeat it...
I have to admit I was kind of angry before I read your last comment,since you are keep lying(disagreement?ha), but I couldn't help laugh at your last one...it's really amusing. Your comments turned from a lie to a joke.
Well, now everyone knows exactly who has lost control. Anyone could see whose comments are more reasonable and in a better manner. And since you still haven't resonse any points I have made, and didn't come up with any new points ,I think I'll just leave you here and let you enjoy your own lies and live in your fantasy.
But let me teach you a lesson: One can lose a fight , an argument, but don't lose your dignity. And that's exactly what you have lost. I thought you were a reasonable man,just trying to promote your own country, but after reading your last comment,I found out that you are just like a crown, making joke out of yourself.

I'll just breathe in some fresh air tommorow and forget about you. Maybe I'll have some beer and try to get drunk during vacation,since I haven't experienced that feeling before~After all, you made me angry and then made me laugh, so no harm done.I just hope you would try to be more objective in the future.It would bring you great benefits.


Gorland   March 3rd, 2010 8:36 am ET

Michael

Do not assume what is my feeling, and definitely I am not the person who try to prove that our great country is flawless and just too perfect.
Why force me to accept your own illusion to my feeling?

Did you ever pay any attention to what I said above, where did you get that I proved my country is flawless?

About the percentage of people in Xinjiang and Tibet studied in Shanghai, I confess I have no accurate figure on hand, but the truth is every year, there are about 200 Tibetans and Xinjiangnese attend the Universities in Shanghai to study.

And asking percentage of this proves nothing, let me ask you, then what is the percentage of people from Hunan, Sichuan, Anhui, Jiangxi, Hainan, Guangdong, Hebei.....studied in Shanghai every year in the past? I also confirm you that the percentage would not be high. 5 years ago, there were just 2 students from Anhui getting the chance studying in my University, it was the truth you can not deny.

Furthermore, if the percentage of educating is not high in Tibet or Xingjiang, We should make more improvement of education there, don't we?


Gorland   March 3rd, 2010 8:38 am ET

Please show which sentences I said were lie?


Jacko'l   March 3rd, 2010 8:59 am ET

Just curious why all the people who hate this guy are Chinese?
All the others are fool? Or are they blind? Including the Nobel Prize awarded to him.


Luis B Rosario   March 4th, 2010 12:22 am ET

@Gorland
Thanks for your response. Yes. Sometimes I go to bed late
reading blogs, writing comments and replies. It is taxing on me
because I don't sleep enough for a senior citizen as we call
people more than 60 years old in the West. Your English
composition and grammar is great. Don't worry about the
typos. Most of us make them, too. I understand everything that
you write. Yes, I have a college degree, too. You say that you
are a journalist. Congratulations that is a great job. I appreciate
your courtesy and your offer to teach me about China. I take your
offer and likewise anything that I may be able to assist you, feel
free to talk to me. If I cannot find the answer I will get it from
someone else. You are always welcome. The time here is
11.09 P,M. (day saving time- it will be 12.09 soon we change the
clock).
Your friend,
Luis
P.S. Did you read anything about the earthquake in Chile, South
America? Considering the devastation : allmost two million
people left homeless; many high rise buildings and homes
and multiple dwelling buildings have been destroyed, thanks
God that there are not too many deaths- about 800 so far, for
an 8.8 magnitude earthquake. In the beginning Chile
refused international aid but now the president of Chile says
most foreign aid is welcome.


Gorland   March 4th, 2010 5:17 am ET

@ Mr. Rosario

Forgive me that I called you Lius directly before because that would be unacceptable by a senior citizen in China as impoliteness.

I also stay late in the night reading and writing, so I know the harm to the health of people like us. I guess that you may drink a lot of coffee during the night, but I was informed that coffee itself was unhealthy to the stomach and liver, So I choose green tea instead which you might try. I also smoke a lot ,which my wife are against so much, so that I am trying to quit.

Abosolutely, you, at an age of my father's, should be my teacher as I believe length of life itself constructing a knowledgable man rather than the thickness of books doing. So I am always ready here to learn from you.

Yes, I read the disaster in Chile, 799 died, the Chinese Media said. The beginning refusal of international aid also known here by the media who said that the Chile government was afraid that Big countries would use this aid-chance somehow to strengthen their interests in Chile, well, I myself believe this attitude proves to be a double-tragedy to both the helpless and the one who show their help. An interesting example here in China recently, there is a beggar called Xilige( cool and handsome man)who appears handsome and finally become famous on the internet, because the net-citizens just love his mood on face, his movement, and so on, so, many people go to Ningbo city where Xilige beg for living to give bread, money, or other form of help, surprisingly, Xilige just become afraid of those to run away, or even cry, it's a sudden to him that he really don't know what do they want.

What happened here to Xilige and there in Chile, I think the point was nothing more than " trust". If I think it in the right way, all the undeveloped countries in this world share the same feeling of Xilige when Big Giants suddenly come to show help. However, after all, help itself is nothing bad, so what is the question here? Earthquakes don't happen every day, so China, US, or other big countries want to construct the trust and terminate the suspicion, they may do it in every day work to show the sincerity continuously, but not sudden help when contastrophy happens.

If things go on logicly, I think this would be the way to avoid another " double-tragedy" in international relationship.

At last , I wish Chile recover soon from this disaster.

Mr. Rosario, do you notice that we are off-topic much here which may course protest by others, so could we exchange ideas or information through Email or other private ways? Mine is gorland.zhang@gmail.com.

Wish you a good a dnightay

Gorland, Sincerely


Gorland   March 4th, 2010 9:45 am ET

@Jacko'l

What you asked were good questions, I also was confused by those contradictions ago.

And I think People would continue to be confused if not spending time and patience studying the history of this controversial man, Dalai Lama.

Generally speaking, Dalai Lama was a victim of the rebel force in Tibet in 1959, and a puppet made by some force of the western world for a feeling like "American Idols" or "British's got talent", or for other political reasons. So he is not so bad for our Chinese citizens to hate, and the truth is few of Chinese people hate him, personally, but the government is not in favour of him, politically. Refer to the hatred of the people, it is more against victim makers, puppet makers, and the one who always want to depart China whether awake or asleep(which is transparent in the comments by Michael self-claimed as a Chinese).

OK, I cut "the general speaking" into specific things before readers'
impatience. Before 1959, Dalai Lama was young, handsome, and of wisdom, he was welcome by common citizens as well as Chairman Mao Zedong, to my knowledge, Dalai Lama attended private dinners with Mao for many times, and basically, Mao liked him so much to talk with him for long of tremendous things unpolitical, in a word, they simply became friends then.

1959, the rebel force gethered with the aim of departing Tibet from China, which Dalai Lama declare ignorant of at that time, then the rebel force arrested Dalai Lama and forced him to choose a side, peace or war. Dalai Lama couldn't refuse a war by the threat of death from the rebel force. He wrote 3 letters secretly to the General Tan Guan of the P.L.A, confessing,"the rebel force are doing harm to me with excuse of protecting me", and in this situation, he could have done nothing efectively, indicting his incapablility choosing the side of the government.

Mao decided to use force to put down the rebellion with a word that Dalai Lama would be welcome whenever he turned back, although, Dalai Lama, maybe also forced, ran away into India.

Famous writer Lu Xun said that things would change as feelings changed. Things in Dalai Lama grew up too, he dressed himself up with freedom, democracy, nonviolence movement, hardshipness, appearing in front of the western media and gained much love including Nobel Prize there because the western world could not be more fond of those sweet dreams. I myself sometimes was touched by Dalai-Lamaness since I'm also in favour of those sweet dream, but, there is a big but, these may be not the true thing inside this man, because of he said or wrote too much thing which made contradiction to the former ones he made, such as he was not in danger when arresting by the rebel force.

What is valuable to mention here is that, during the fighting with the
rebel force, the US government supplied 403 rifles, 20 machineguns, 60 grenades, and 26,000 bullets from paradrop in Tibet for the rebel force.

About Dalai Lama, I feel so sorry of his suffering experience, and feel
confucius of what he is doing now, I know that he get a life of fortune with millions of money offered by the rich in Europe, basically, Tibet need him, to work hard, and face the difficulties there, though he would live a hard life far from rich of money in Tibet. But I think there is other richness of life for him in Tibet if he simply come back.

The tragedy is, the CCP is no government forgiveful enough to Dalai Lama though Mao promised he would welcome him back whenever, but Mao died long ago, expecially when Dalai Lama carrying on his show time, his way back seems so froggy.

P.S. The context I wrote above with reference both from Chinese and from English, I am afraid that some Chinese friend may charge me as a liar again and hereby appreciate you gentlemen and ladies to point out whatever you find not true, I would check them as soon as I possible.


Jacko'l   March 4th, 2010 11:13 am ET

Ok..It's a little challenging to catch your point.
So, do people hate him or not? ("Refer to the hatred of the people, it is more against victim makers, puppet makers, and the one who always want to depart China whether awake or asleep", can you explain it a liilte clearer?)
Nevermind, I know people do hate him, refering to the comments left on this blog. Thanks for writhing this much... But I still can't see why that many people in China hate him...or do they?
So you personally don't hate Dalai?
And if there are many people like ou that don't hate him, why wouldn't the government do as the people wish?
P.S. You know different books hold different opinions so perhaps all you have written can be backed up but some books or references but that doesn't mean it's true. Of course I'm not saying you're not telling the truth, but saying that about those history, really few people can say the know the truth.


Gorland   March 5th, 2010 12:18 am ET

Jacko'l

Thank you for your response.
To answer your questions in your latest comment,
First, It should be my fault for not explain things clear enough to you, but I will try my best, And disagreement from you would be valuable for both of us to get nearer to the truth since we exchange what we know respectively.

Second, Yes, I don't hate Dalai Lama personally, why should I? I mean he is a man of knowledge and wisdom, he would be a great teacher for me inspite of his political stance. And if you checked all of my comment here, you would find I have no hatred to him personally at all.

Then, I can't say all the people in China don't hate Dalai Lama, but I am sure that the one who familiar with the history written above, are not hating Dalai Lama but feeling sorry for his experience, especially he faced a death or war decision in 1959.

The government don't like him because he takes a stance of departing Tibet from , and the people think it is reasonable for the government to do so. That may be the difference between "personally" and "politically".

Good question from you that why not the government do as the people wish? Well, in China, the government didn't carry out a vote, and decided to hate or like Dalai Lama according to the result of the vote. Simply, decisions was made by conference of senior officials in the government. All of this dur to a lack of a effective construction gethering people's wish, and that why we do need democracy in China. People love democracy here, and some of the senior official do love it too such as Prime minister Wen Jiabao,.

I would accept anymore truth different from my knowledge as soon as they are truth.


A. Smith, Oregon   March 7th, 2010 7:45 pm ET

Free Tibet from the Chinese nationalist expansion. Tibetan Independence!

The Dalai Lama should meet with Russian officials to work out a defense agreement similar to the treaty nearby Mongolia has to ward of invasion by China.

Would Russian protection be worse than the cultural genocide at the hands of the Chinese people on the people of Tibet?

It seems the Russian treaty with nearby Mongolia has worked well for Mongolia's independence and autonomy from being invaded by the Chinese army's. Shouldn't Tibet work for a similar treaty?


Gerald Jolly   March 7th, 2010 7:58 pm ET

Absolutely and catagoricly "NOT".

Just more nonsense, creating diplomatic nightmares because our Government simply knows very little about diplomacy.

In the past 80 years, we have insulted, betrayed, and turned our backs on China.

This is the only reason they dont trust us, and in fact we do not deserve the kindness they have shown towards us, by the massive amount of money they have provided our government, so that the government could continue fighting wars that have no purpose or reason other thanto fuel the purchase of arms from our ARMS INDUSTRY

One must consider and understand that the arms industry overall is a private enterprise, and they are all listed on our stock exchange, and Dichead Cheney, The Bushwacker Bush, Karl the RAT ROVE have extensive shares in that industry

The Dalai Lama also has extensive holdings in our Arms Industry as well.

GOOD GOD FOLKS, IT'S A WIN WIN SITUATION.

GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZ!


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   March 7th, 2010 10:07 pm ET

It is good that the Dalai Lama promotes peaceful protest..........just like Mahatma Ghandi and Martin Luther King Jr.........and others.........before him.

I just wish peace for him and that peace comes to his people and Tibet.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   March 7th, 2010 10:20 pm ET

Not very good to try and erase Tibetian culture. This is a familiar thing that has been going on around the world.

Is this a matter of territory, superpower, strategic location or what. Try and figure.
++++++++++
@Gerald Jolly March 7th, 2010 7:58 pm ET

"The Dalai Lama also has extensive holdings in our Arms Industry as well".

I am shocked to learn of this.


Anil   March 7th, 2010 10:23 pm ET

When Larry asked a question to Dalai Lama "Do you miss your country since you left your country 50 yrs ago" .Dalai Lama said for the last 50 yrs, I have been supported Indian rice and Indian Dal, but the closed caption wrote as Indian Dollar instead of Indian Dal, Dal is a kind of pulses(lentils).


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   March 7th, 2010 10:31 pm ET

Yes, we have to try and be tolerant of all religions I suppose.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   March 7th, 2010 10:39 pm ET

Very interesting about Chile not accepting international aid.


Sheila Brandon   March 8th, 2010 12:57 am ET

i found where NSCIA was having a big information gathering in several states about jobs for the handicaped. Toccoa Ga has a lot of handicaped plus now we have a large number of vet's coming home with the disabilitating injures.
We have lots of empty factories and used textile machinery laying around this county.
Could a disabled and a senior get a business loan no way.
My credit was destroyed by my cancer. i refuse to be held responsible for something I had no controll over.
business are and have been for a long time for those with lots of personal money. People who are looking for a tax write off.

But I would like to make business here with people who are already trained. those who are the disabled seniors who built this great country.

I have checked the internet ...for an expensive product to make. light weight.
We would like to produce ..King suspenders for all ages.


shazhude   March 8th, 2010 1:11 am ET

a great thow again! Mr. Dalai Lama, just like a celebrity, a talkshow host and a political refugee, without much sense of a buddhism person.

i highly recommend you switch job to be an actor, you will make a fortune.


Sigrid Oberlin   March 8th, 2010 10:27 am ET

The Dalai Lama is a great person. He should have his country "Tibet"
back. The world would look at him as a great leader.

By the way, many of the comments soun d to me like chinese!


Gerald Jolly   March 8th, 2010 10:57 am ET

Jessie from Auckland N.Z.

Jessie, I did not infer that the Dailai Lama agreed with the manufacturing and distribution of ARMS.

The point I was making is that like many clerics from many religions, they invest their money in the stock market, and right now investing by buying stocks issued by the Arms Industry is a very profitable thing to do.

It's like the U.S. government, they really dont want to go into other peoples country, but they are forced too, in order to justify and insure the profitable ownership of those shares.

The phylosophy is that better to kill thousands on innocent people that to loose your profitability.


Kat   March 8th, 2010 3:36 pm ET

How on earth did America become indebted to China? How? America? Shame. Why should China have any say into who the president meets?


Kat   March 8th, 2010 3:45 pm ET

These politicians who are now resigning had already planned their resignation in the event that the black Pres O won the presidency. They would have looked bad had they walked out right after he won because it would be too obvious so they waited for months to pass.

They made sure that they made enough mess and caused enough delay and controversy regarding the bill to get him to fail before they resign. Some of you people make me want to SICK!! RACIST!

None of them wants to admit that they are giving him such a hard time because of his skin shade. Well, I would suggest that you stop frying yourself in the sun if you have such an problem with our skin tone.

It is ok for black men to die in Iraq and Afghan for America but not ok for them to be president of the same America?

McCain acts and speaks as if the presidency is owed to him. At least he lived to tell the bloody tale of war. Many of our young black men died! Heard that McCain? They died! Never lived to tell their tale or show their tail again!

Therefore, STOP fighting Obama and do what is best for Americans and America's healthcare. You are not running the country, Pres O is! Yu were not elected as president. Pres O was. You all had your chance to run the country on a balanced budget and you all screwed it along with the mistresses!!

What could be worst than to vote for a war that killed a man who had no WMDs which led to Iran now on the loose as a ticking time bomb and terror to everyone else?

Any thing is better than the current HC!


Gerald Jolly   March 8th, 2010 6:01 pm ET

@ Kat.

You asked, how on earth did the U.S. become indebted to China for more than a trillion dollars.

The answer is, because no other country in the world were prepared to lend the U.S. money for the purpose of slaughtering hundreds of thousands of innocent people which was and is based on the "SCHOOL YARD BULLY" principle.

Every major politician in the U.S. possess millions of dollars of shares in the Arms Manufacturing Industry.

Imagine if we were'nt out their creating wars and slaughtering innocents based on false pretences, what on earth would the arms industry do, and worse yet, what would happen to the share values of those shares if no one was using the products.

I bet you dont know that in addition to the more than a trillion dollar debt we owe China, one of the largest block of shareholders in the war industry, buy those shares on the Shanghai stock exchange

Imagine if China decided that they will not lend us any more money, and in fact insisted in calling back their notes, it would cause the loss of thousands of jobs in our War Manufacturing Industry.

So the phylosophy is, it's better to kill thousands of innocent people rather than loose our profitability in our Arms Manufaturing Industry.

A prominant U.S. Military General once was asked, How can you live with yourself, knowing that you have sent thousands of your own countrymen to their death based on IDIOTIC LIES.

His answer was, QUOTE: "I never think of my troopers as human people, in my opinion they are nothing more than numbers as is indicated by the number they are issued on their DOG TAGS"


Luis B Rosario   March 8th, 2010 8:07 pm ET

@Gorlanrd
I'm sorry that I did not reply to your correspondence. I appreciate
your sincerity. Like I said before we need more people like you.
If everybody was like you there will be no wars. I ' been busy with
other blogs and some personal errands but I will expand on another
blog regarding our mutual respect for our country and your country.
Your friend(amigo)
Luis


Gerald Jolly   March 8th, 2010 8:15 pm ET

Hey! Folks, just in case some of you think that I exagerate about the U.S,'s role in the ARMS INDUSTRY.

The following list is naming the top (8) weapons manufacturers in the world

# 1 U.S.A. 62% 66% sold to foriegn governmentd
#2 Russia 12% 50% sold to foriegn governments
#3 Britain 8% 50% sold to foriegn governments
#4 Germany 4% 40% sold to foriegn governments
#5 Netherlands 4% 80% sold to foriegn governments
#6 Ukraine 4% 60% sold to foriegn governments
#7 Italy 3% 50% sold to foriegn governments
China 3% 2% sold to foriegn governments

The above list in total dollars, in U.S. funds is 579 billion dollars annually

If one equates the above numbers the U.S. is responsible for the death of more than 75% of the people that die in war around the globe.

Top five Arms manufacturers in the U.S.

#1 Lockheed Martin
# 2 Boeing
# 3 Raython
# 4 Northrop Gruman
# 5 General Dynamics

All reasons to be proud to be called an American.

Is it any wonder why we are so hated throughout the world????

NOTHING TO BE VERY PROUD OF !!!


Luis B Rosario   March 9th, 2010 12:08 am ET

@Gerald Jolly
As far as I'm concerned (I may be wrong-Check it witn google)
Your statistics about weapons sold by the big powers appears
to be correct. However, about 60 percent of the people killed
throughout the glove in bellicose encounters are killed with
small arms,rockets, rocket launchers and IEDs(improvised
explosive devices) are sold by Russia, China, North Korea and
Iran. The AK47 is the popular assault gun made abroad. I believe
The companies that you enumerated in the aforementioned
report don't make small weapons.


Gerald Jolly   March 9th, 2010 11:03 am ET

@ Luis B Rosario.

Actually you are partly correct, the fact is that the AK47 is also made in the good old U.S.A. as well by a small arms manufacturer in Nevada.

According to the U.N. study more people are killed in war by large explosive devices namely Bombs, and 90 mll. shells because one of these weapons has the capacity to kill hundreds with one shot.

Also the most devestating weapon currently used in AFGHANISTAN IS THE "DRONE" pilotless aircraft that is produced by Lockheed and Northrop.


Connie B.   March 9th, 2010 11:30 am ET

Always in anticipation of some pearls of wisdom, I have listened to the Dalai Lama for years. Sadly, he has never said anything worth noting. I saw Larry King's frustration trying to interview him. He reminds me of Peter Sellers in Being There.


G.MOHAN ,   March 9th, 2010 4:06 pm ET

THE MEANING OF GOD AND ITS EXISTENCE

Subject: THE MEANING OF GOD AND ITS EXISTENCE
GOD
MEANS
Good Over Devil
and exists in the form of
positive, negative & neutral particles of an atom as seen in symbols of Christianity/ Islam/ Hinduism respectively.
An ATOM ,the basic unit of all universal matter
consists of
PROTON + (Positive)
(cross)
Christianity
ELECTRON - ( Negative )
(crescent)
Islam
&
NEUTRON O (Neutral )
(sun)
Hinduism
HENCE , THE COMBINATION OF ABOVE PARTICLES/SYMBOLS

MAKES EVERYTHING IN THIS UNIVERSE
ACCORDINGLY , THE RESPECTIVE RELIGIOUS THOUGHTS/PREACHINGS ALSO SYMBOLISE THE
+, –, O CONCEPTS .
EVERY RELIGION IS MADE-UP OF HUMAN MIND OF FAITH BASED ON HIS UNDERSTANDING OF HAPPENINGS/SURROUNDINGS DURING HIS PERIOD OF SURVIVAL AS PER THE ABOVE CONCEPT OF THOUGHTS.
SIMILARLY, REASONING THE CAUSE OF EXISTENCE/PROPERTIES OF ALL MATTERS AROUND HIM HAD RESULTED IN SCIENTIFIC INVENTIONS WHICH LEAD TO THE MODERN ADVANCEMENT OF LIVING WITH OUR OWN CREATION OF MATERIALS/GADGETS FOR THE BETTERMENT OF LIVING/COMFORT.
ULTIMATELY ,EVERY THING IN THIS UNIVERSE IS MADE UP OF + , - , O PARTICLES OF ATOM OF ALL MATTER AND THE HUMAN RACE HAS NO LIFE SPAN TO UNDERSTAND EVERYTHING BEYOND HIS EXISTENCE PERIOD OF FRACTION OF SECOND AS AGAINST UNIVERSAL CLOAK(ONE SECOND OF UNIVERSAL CLOCK IS EQUAL TO THE ENTIRE LIFE SPAN OF OUR SOLAR SYSTEM).

AGAIN ,WE ARE ONE OF THE WEAKEST SPECIES IN THE ANIMAL KINGDOM AND HAVE BEEN EXISTING IN THIS WORLD WITH FIVE SENSORY ORGANS PRIMARILY TO KNOW OUR SURROUNDINGS WHICH ARE FAR INFERIOR/LESS THAN OTHER LIVING CREATURES.

LET US NOT PRO-CLAIM OUR-SELF WITH THE SUPERIORITY OF KNOWLEDGE AND WISDOM, SINCE WE HAVE BEEN ONLY CREATED WITH ONLY AN EXTRA INTELLIGENCE(SIXTH SENSE) TO OVERCOME/ADAPT ADVERSE CONDITIONS OF OUR SURVIVAL IN THIS WORLD .

WHERE AS, ALL OTHER LIVING CREATURES/THINGS HAVE PHYSICALLY ADAPTED BETTER THAN US TO SURVIVE EVEN AT ALL ODD EXTREME ENVIRONMENTAL CONDITIONS WITH OUT THE SAME.
THE HUMAN FAITH/BELIEF ON NATURE/HAPPENINGS IN ANCIENT/PAST TIMES LEAD TO THE CREATION OF RELIGION, WHERE AS THE REASONING OF EVERYTHING AROUND HIM IN LAST FEW CENTURIES LEAD TO SCIENTIFIC INVENTIONS AND HAD RESULTED IN MOST COMFORDABLE ADVANCE MODERN LIFE AS AVAILABLE TO-DAY.

LET US NOT NOW DEBATE ON THE EXISTENCE OF GOD AS AGAINST THEIR RESPECTIVE RELIGIOUS FAITH AND TRY TO DIVIDE/DISINTEGRATE THE HUMAN RACE BASED ON OUR FRACTIONAL KNOWLEDGE AS ACQUIRED DURING OUR INVISIBLE PERIOD LIVING IN THIS EARTH.

INSTEAD, CREATE A VISION OF SENSE OF ONENESS TO OUR HUMAN RACE SO THAT ALL OF US AS A UNIT OF LIVING CREATURES IN THIS WORLD CAN SURVIVE HARMONIOUSLY WITH NATURE/OTHER LIVING CREATURES TILL THE END OF THE FRACTIONAL SECOND OF UNIVERSAL CLOAK .
ORIGIN OF OUR LIFE
THE EACH ONE OF US HAS BEGAN OUR ORIGIN OUT OF A SINGLE CELL FROM OUR MOTHER"S WOMB OUT OF FUSION OF SPERM WITH OVUM AND HAS BEING CARRIED/NURSED BY MILLIONS OF OUR ANCESTORS/FORE PARENTS SINCE THE ORIGIN OF LIFE IN THIS WORLD .

THERFORE , ALL LIVING CREATURES OF PRESENT/PAST IN THIS WORLD HAVE DESCENDED FROM A UNICELLULAR LIFE WHO IS OUR ORIGIN OF EXISTENCE SO CALLED BRAHMA / CREATOR / GOD .

WITH BEST WISHES FOR SURVIVAL OF ALL MANKIND TILL THE END OF THE LAST FRACTIONAL SECOND OF UNIVERSE CLOACK,

G.MOHAN ,
A HUMAN BEING


Luis B Rosario   March 9th, 2010 5:32 pm ET

@Gerald Jolly
The U.N should be the least to critisize the "good old" USA. They
" are the gang that cannot shoot straight," as witnessed where?
Exactly in Afghanistan and every time there in trouble and in
danger of getting overrun, the United States save their ****.
The AK47 may be made in Nevada but the insurgents that use
it are not supplied by by the USA (as most of them are not
our allies). You cannot blame the chicken for laying the egg
in Kansas and somebody ate and got salmonella in New York. "
The weapons will always be there more powerful than in Vietnam.
We cannot sell them and should not sell them to guerrillas and
terrorist groups. The drone can kill hundreds but so far the U.S.
is not doing that, on the contrary it has saved lifes at the expense
of our soldiers who 90 percent of dead soldiers are from IEDs.
I know that we are never going to agree because you are anti-
USA and I'm Pro USA and the world. Ban all these terrible
weapons ' manufacturing and distribution through the world
and then I will be with you the "whole nine yards."


Gorland   March 16th, 2010 2:14 pm ET

@Mr.Rosario

Happy to have your brief response. I myself failed to return to this blog for nearly two weeks, because I have much work to do on researching Christianity in China, Europe and the USA, there had been exhausting but meaningful talks with scholars from many countries, some of them are so good at Chinese. And thanks to Wikipedia too.

I am too busy just now to read all the new comments here word by word, but really appreciate their devotion, you know, in a Hi-and-Goodbye hush day, if people are willing to stop by, pay some attention and share their comment, it would be better than all.

Okay, here you go, I will be back as soon as I can.


Gorland   March 16th, 2010 2:48 pm ET

@Mr.Rosario

Time for a break with green tea. I just checked the word "amigo" in the dictionary and learned it means " friend", sorry for my Spanish and thank you for taking me as a friend.

I respect you as a friend too, and with this pure respect, I will defend whatever you say but the truth, suspect whatever you say but the false. And I appreciate you treat me also in this way, let's make friend as friend should be.

Again, why don't you just give me you email for talks? I am afraid I am really busy to get to this blog in future, by the way, I don't know why but it gets hard to find this page by the saved links in my computer, I checked page by page in Larry King's articles, and finally got here.

Wish you a happy day.


Luis B Rosario   March 17th, 2010 2:19 am ET

@Gorland, China
Hi Gorlan:
I apologize I did not get your the other mail you sent me on March
7th, until today. I hope that you are doing well with your Christianity
documemtary. Google is a great source of information. According
Cajazz 24.74.8 there are 2.1 billion Christians throughout the
world. I don't know how many you have in China but tell your
government not to be concerned. Contrary to popular belief
the majority of Christians do not start, foment or pursue religious
wars to increase membership. The true Christian like in your
religion reneges (is against ) violence to promote religion.
My E-mail is Rosalu41@tampabay.rr.com


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