December 1, 2009


Posted: 08:06 PM ET

We'll be on at midnight for a special in-depth look at the President's deicision to send an additional 30,000 troops to Afghanistan. He's also expected to announced a troop pullback beginning in July 2011. Tonight's EXCLUSIVE Guest: Michael Moore, who just wrote a letter to the President expressing strong opposition to the troop increase.

Gen. Wesley Clark and Brigadier General Mark Kimmitt will also give us their analysis of the President's decision.

That's all coming up on a special edition of Larry King Live at midnight!

And we want to hear from you:

Do you agree with President Obama's decision to send 30,000 additional troops to Afghanistan?

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patti   December 1st, 2009 8:19 pm ET

Please end the 2 wars & bring the troops HOME ! The "chicken hawks" began the war & should be in jail/Bush & Cheney/ much bloodshed, Americans going to bed hungry & out of work...Pres Obama may not win a 2nd term ...Michael Moore on L King tonight advocating "bring the troops home"...

Dodie   December 1st, 2009 9:16 pm ET

I find it saddening the reasons we are asking for the spilling of bloodshed and sacrifice from our young men and women who are fighting in Afghanistan. The Afghanistan War is now the Afghanistan-Pakistan-Somalia and Sudan War. The survival of Pakistan now depends on the US pulling out in Afghanistan. Afghanistan and Pakistani are enraged at the civilian casualties resulting from the US combat tactics, especially the rising number of air strikes.The war in Afghanistan is getting much worse for both our troops and for the Afghan civilian population. The strategic benefits are non-existent and the risks of a expanding the war are alarming. The humanitarian consequences are appalling

To be forthcoming, our stated strategy of securing Afghanistan to prevent Al-Qaeda resurgence or regrouping should have been 8 years ago in 2001. Now it would require us to additionally invade and occupy western Pakistan, Somalia and Sudan.

(((Bring Our Troops Home)))

James200809   December 1st, 2009 9:30 pm ET

i think america should just leave the war & come home it would save millions of $ & we should put the money towards health care & jobs not for guns & amo that kill people bring the troops home now & save trillions of $ ps i love your show Larry king

Ruby Coria, L.A., CA.   December 1st, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Hi Larry, I am Not with the President, I think we should let by gones be by gones.. enough lives & money! enough. Where is the protest going to be held at? Bring those Yankees home!

IKHAN   December 1st, 2009 9:56 pm ET

a great inspiring speech by President Obama. The best any president could have done under the circumstances & a decision which was indeed hard to make. He spoke with conviction.
With two messy , faulty, mishandled wars dumped into his lap, this president is between the rock & a hard place. If he abandons the mission now, the field is left open for those players in that region who do not care for our interests & are exploiting the situation for their own agenda.
The increase in troops would of course see more American lives lost & increasing costs at a time when all the resources are needed at home & could turn public opinion against him. The effort could also turn into disaster or a never ending conflict creating rift between allies. What could he have done?
We have to support him at this hour & hope that our strategists have
a viable exit strategy.
The lies & foolhardy acts of the preceding administration have already come to haunt us. God help & bless America.

Dee In Texas   December 1st, 2009 10:22 pm ET

Larry we vote them in to work for us and they don't listen to us. They have their own ajenda 🙁

We said no bailouts, they did bailouts..
They took OUR tax money without asking, we are left broke and can't make the bills now.
We said we need jobs, no jobs...
We said we wanted health care with a public option, they compromised and we may not get anything good.
WE WANT OUR TROOPS HOME, they send more to war.

They want to bring people who torture to justice yet they send our troops out on 3,4 even 5 deployments
..go figure..

Have to wonder who they all are working for..ponders that thought. How sad is that.

We can't afford this war either. GET US JOBS!!

God Bless Us All and God Bless AMERICA!!! We sure need all the Blessings we can get.

Joan Willis   December 1st, 2009 10:36 pm ET

I am so angry at Tareq and Michaele Salahi that I could spit. Why isn’t anyone talking about the jobs that are being lost by their folly? I’m certain that many secret service and White House employees will lose their jobs because of this which will negatively impact their families and careers. Why aren’t you discussing how they have embarrassed our government worldwide. Why aren’t you reporting on how they have shown our enemies how easy it is to breach White House security. Come on Chris. Get tough for crying out loud, these people have caused real damage and are loving it! Others reputations, security and careers be damned!

Sandy-Houston   December 1st, 2009 10:39 pm ET

30,000 additional troops And many will not come home.

Ron J   December 1st, 2009 10:42 pm ET

This is so primitive. Lining up 30,000 troops on the horizon like a bunch of wild apaches….President Obama should be much more sophisticated than this. He should fire General McCrystal immediately, and also Secretary Gates . They have lied so many times about what they’re really up to over there and the scandals are being covered up, so it’s already a huge failure.

The taliban are part of the afghan people so your not gonna make them go away. So now your setting up a systemized snitching operation within the civilian population, and arresting any so called “suspects”,sending them who knows where.

No , it is time to call back all forces and their leaders to their bases and begin a full investigation of this travesty, and unravel the abuses and corruption we have engaged in over there completely so we can restore trust at home.

. Better to get out of this mistake NOW.

Riaz Ansary   December 1st, 2009 11:03 pm ET

The policy in Afghanistan must End in pakistan the root of problem is now in Pakistan we did a big mistake letting the roots reach to Pakistan. now it's very important to deal with real problem in Pakistan. Taliban is based in there ... By cutting a tree's brunches we can't destroy the tree unless we cut down the root. We need to turn the game plan. The problem here is that so far the Taliban have been successful in making us fighting thier game ... We need to change that and make them fight our game and it must be intense and serious. This war is way different than vitnam war or wwI and WW2.

If we be serious and bring a serious intense war to Taliban and make them fight our game then it is possible to get rid of them very sooner than we can believe.

Te idea of civilian surg ; that is going to take generations. This of it this way; when Russian invaded Afghanistan if a child was 2 years old now he is 30 years old and cosidered current generation and all he knows is fight and war and instability for such person it is almost impossible to know that the world is much different than what he knows and grew up with ... We must start the civilian progress project now with the kids and young generation and it will take at least 2 decades to get a final positive result IF we work this out right!

About economy I just don't get why people are being sooo impatient ... It took almost a decade destroy the economy ; how can anybody expect to get it back up in less than a year ..... We need to increase our knowledge and to do that now we have to understand the real concept of globlization I guess that explains what I mean. With today's globlization the world is totaly flat and for us to understand the history and cultures and globlization is a must ( whatever major or career we are in)

georgia   December 1st, 2009 11:09 pm ET

i am so sick of roland martin. If Pres Obama said we going to nuke Russia, he would stand up and scream, "thats the best idea I ever heard"".....he is so racist and so many more like him. I am also sick of Sanja Guptka. He is a neurologist, for heavens sake, yet CNN has him on EVERY show as a disputed expert on every subject. Enough already! Is there no other intelligent people in this country who can give an opinion? All we ever hear are these racists pigs who just want their stupid looking face on TV

John H.   December 1st, 2009 11:14 pm ET

It will do us no good to take the troops home now if we don't at the same time change our entire outlook on the Israeli – Palestinian conflict. I don't advocate abandoning Isreal and allowing them to be destroyed as an independent state but we have never been close to fair and balanced in our dealings with the people of that region. We can't continue to give Israel all the weapons it asks for while at the same time avoiding meaningful action against them when they continue to take land belonging to Palestinians and putting it to their own use. They should not only be forced to stop building anymore villages but should be required tear down the ones they have already built. Until we do introduce more fairness into our political view of the world, Muslims will continue to see us as unfair and biased and some will become radicals and continue efforts to attack us. Walk out of Afghanistan and leave it for the radicals to rebuild and continue their efforts. If you think it was bad on 9/11/2001; just wait until 9/11/2012. I am a veteran of the Vietnam War and while there was no overwhelming agreement among us, I am one who felt abandoned by our own people and government when they kept pulling the run out from under us. Don't send our military to fight wars that we can't count on the full support of our own countrymen and government. For me, this is a clear case of De Ja Vou (Spelling?). And the majority of the people who are calling for the return of our troops are people who never served in uniform. Someone said that people who never served in uniform should not be allowed to make decisions to send us to war referring to Cheney, Rumsfeld, and Bush but you must also then point out that President Obama also never served in uniform. In our system of government, you are not required to have served in order to carry out your duties as Commander-In-Chief and while I agree Cheney and Rumsfeld should never have risen to such levels of power, the argument that you must first serve is bogus and cannot be used against either president.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 12:00 am ET

@ John H.

My heart goes out to you with your experience. I have a high respect and regard for all those who fought in Vietnam. Thank You! It was bad enough to fight a war in Vietnam, but then to fight an emotional & political war when you come back to the US was probably equally shattering. This country is now polarized again. I agree with you, we will end up traumatizing those who are now fighting in this war. Even more complicated is trying to fight a war with a specific target population within another country and everyone all looks the same. That is an impossible feat! You know better than I, when you saw the Vietnamese… first question… friend or foe! Then to see your buddies killed along with all the innocent bystanders and finally realizing that the people of the country just want to be left alone. I, too, am experiencing Deja vu!

A. Smith, Oregon   December 2nd, 2009 12:00 am ET

When is America going to STOP propping up corrupt foreign leaders at the barrel of a gun upon their citizens?

Whatever the noble (capture Osama bin Ladin) or infamous (flood Russia with cheap Heroin) reason for America to stay in Afghanistan has long passed.

India does not trust Pakistan at all, and they are Pakistan's direct Neighbors!!!

American's are being feed a load of BS in regards to Pakistani cooperation in dealing with the Taliban in exchange for billions of US taxpayer dollars.

India has shown time and again that they cherish basic American core values, its time for America to trust India's perception of Pakistan and stop overlooking the obvious fact which is Pakistan is NEVER going to seriously cut-off the Taliban fighters which are fighting for Pakistani goals and Pakistani ideals.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 12:14 am ET

@ John H.

At the age of 10, while visiting family in another country, a civil war erupted. I saw first hand, people being shot and killed. It was complete chaos. I still remember it as if it was yesterday.

Ron J   December 2nd, 2009 12:26 am ET

The cable/network media’s constant labeling of the people very opposed to the invasion as “anti-war left “ is a common ploy by insider tricksters who slant the news and repeat
cia lies for this war. We are concerned citizens who care about this dangerous policy and are not in this for political gamesmanship. So many different people rich and poor ,all parties, are opposed to this war in error. We want what is right.

This war is a fraud. Karzi is a fraud.

anthony   December 2nd, 2009 12:26 am ET

The world would be so much peaceful without the United States. Why must those young people die in Afghanistan?

anthony   December 2nd, 2009 12:32 am ET

Israel is a joke!! I cannot believe that a group of people would come out of a holocust established a white jewish state in the middle east, start killing the native people and then act like they're all so holy and so perfect. Give me a break!!

anthony   December 2nd, 2009 12:40 am ET

FYI People there are no white jews in the bible!! The Hebrews that are mention in the bible are the African Americans that are currently enslaved in the United Sates. Google the people of the unrecognized city of Rahat, Negev Israel.

jetson   December 2nd, 2009 1:05 am ET

I dont think Obama wanted these wars, or the economic situation. So, as our first black American president, he certainly was handed probably a more difficult situation than many other presidents.

Mark D.   December 2nd, 2009 1:09 am ET

Guns and butter. A new LBJ and Great Society a la 2009 and counting.

jetson   December 2nd, 2009 1:11 am ET

I agree with Obama. I probably wouldnt have announced the timeline but let the general know that privately. So, I view that as politics to get a little leniency from the left. It does sort of play into the hands of the enemy, but time will tell. Maybe it will cause the generals to make some progress.

GiveUsFree   December 2nd, 2009 1:11 am ET

M. Moore is totally wrong and only heard the parts of the speech that support his criticism. I'm just as progressive as the next person, but I'm also a former soldier and I remember 9-11. Afghanistan is the biggest supplier of opium in the world. They are right next to Pakistan where the majority of Al-Qaeda is located. Pakistan has Nuclear Weapons and a shaky government. Afghanistan has a shaky government along with a money making opium crop to directly fund terrorist attacks. Now, if we leave it as-is and we get attacked again, because the Taliban and Al-Qaeda have funding from opium sales, then you would be cursing Obama's name up and down. President Obama, bares this burden and he has the personnel and intelligence available to him to make the decision. This is why he's the President. If you think you know better, you should run for President!

I still support the President and I don't regret my vote!”

Jason   December 2nd, 2009 1:11 am ET

I absolutely do not agree. WAR is never the answer, and hasn't been since World War II. OBAMA this is not the changed we believed in. I am disappointed in the United States and in President Obama. Michael Moore is extreme but absolutely correct.

What about the economy??

Jerry Telle   December 2nd, 2009 1:11 am ET

Yes i agree - if we stick to the time table - this gives the world 12 months to decide what THEY want to do about it!!

john r   December 2nd, 2009 1:12 am ET

why are we going there. what did they do. i dont see any reason except that the U.S. is just sticking their noses in other countries business. we cant afford it. this country is going to fall just like Russia someday because we dont take care of our own. look at china, do you think anyone would go there and start trouble. china would kill them.nobody else in the world has bases all over everywhere. wil;l the US let china germany france and others come here and build a, so we should stay out of theior business and tend to our own.

Bruce   December 2nd, 2009 1:13 am ET

I support sending more troops but don't advertise departure date. The president made a political decision without consideration of the lives that will be loss to help him win the 2010 election cycle. Mike Moore, The president is a pure political animal and the country comes second

Bob Simenson   December 2nd, 2009 1:14 am ET

Why are we sending our young people to fight an unwinable war on someone elses sandy turf, spending billions of dollars we don't have when we should just pull back, defend our borders, and dare anyone to mess with us!!!

GiveUsFree   December 2nd, 2009 1:14 am ET

The Taliban harbored terrorists that trained for an executed attacks on America Michael! Damn, I agree with you on many other issues, but I'm sick of your defeatist attitude right now.

Liz   December 2nd, 2009 1:14 am ET

With all due respect Mr Moore, you can't even compare the war on terror with WW 2. In WW 2 we knew who our enemies were. I don't believe that is the case in this war.

Nelson   December 2nd, 2009 1:14 am ET

I don't agree with sending more troops to Afganistan. Obama has lied to americans, and I completely agree with Michael Moore on this issue.

Cathy C   December 2nd, 2009 1:15 am ET


I am not sure what I think about Obama sending another 30,000 troops to Afganastan but what I think is total hypocrisy is Michael Moore. Oh, whatever decisions President Bush made when he was in office was offensive and he was a war monger. But heavens, Obama, Michael states is just listening to bad advice. He is perfect, a peacemaker. Give me a break! With Bush it was always a personal attack on the man, but with Obama everyone else is to blame and Obama is this innocent man. Give me a break Michael! If you have convictions stick to them. Your golden boy is not perfect and a politician. Wake up and smell the coffee Michael.

Jerry Telle   December 2nd, 2009 1:15 am ET

M Moore is good when describing the past. It's obvious he can't see the future. Obama's Afgan plan is a calculated withdrawal.

Stan Evans   December 2nd, 2009 1:15 am ET

I do not agree with Obama. We should do either of two things in Afghanastan:

1. Get out as soon as possible, starting tomorrow.


2. Bring in the one overwhelming power we have and, at the same time, save the lives of our brave young men - we should bomb the hell out of the mountains where the caves are, And we should bomb any places where Al Queida hide or hang out. Don't send in the troops until the places are bombed into oblivion.

Francoise Ferguson   December 2nd, 2009 1:16 am ET

We should not send more troops. It is ludicrous that President Obama is receiving the Nobel Peace prize, when he is escalating the war, he should decline.

Betty Lou Field   December 2nd, 2009 1:16 am ET

I absolutely agree with Michael Moore. Obama is taking very bad advice from the military. It is not a war we can win. We should be bringing our soldiers out of Afghanistan and Iraq as soon as possible.
Please let us save our military from this horrible war.....let them fight their own battles. Has Viet Nam taught us nothing? Please Mr. President rethink your decision. We have lost too many lives already and the American people need to stay home with their families and have jobs.

If we put the space program on the back burnner and end this war we will have plenty of money for medical care for every American. We need to spend our money on improving life for Americans. Thank you.

TJones   December 2nd, 2009 1:16 am ET

If we were to change our war policy to state that we will only engage in war to annihilate the enemy (with the unfortunate loss of innocent lives), then we would stop this non-sense. I agree with Michael Moore on his statement that we should have a draft of the son's and daughter's of the top 5% of earners. That would bring a very quick end to this conflict. If Afghanistan is the breeding ground for the enemy, then that is where we should have focused our efforts in the beginning, not Iraq.

James   December 2nd, 2009 1:16 am ET

What has happened to the President Obama I voted for in 2008?
I voted to end the wars in Iraq and Afganistan, not send more troops into this Vietnam quagmire of a new generation. I myself intend to send a clear message and leave the Democratic Party and re-register as an Independent at my earliest opportunity.

Martin Schweizer   December 2nd, 2009 1:17 am ET

I agree with Dennis Kusinich and Michael Moore that we should worry about rebuilding the USA, rebuilding infrastructure, creating jobs and
helping homeowners keep their houses. Let the Afghans help themselves!

Tubby   December 2nd, 2009 1:17 am ET

I believe we should do what it takes to protect the nuclear arsenal in Pakistan ,I think the President tonight raised the white flag of surrender to further some political goal.

Aaron D. Taylor   December 2nd, 2009 1:18 am ET

I think that President Obama is making a huge mistake. We are essentially sending our men and women to prop up a government of corrupt warlords that are little different from the Taliban. What a tragedy that American lives will be sacrificed on the altar for a government that brutalizes women, gives themselves impunity for war crimes, and uses U.S. aid money to enlarge their coffers.

Caleb   December 2nd, 2009 1:18 am ET

Why is everyone not supporting their country and President? Yeah it's war. What if your son/daughter/wife/husband/father/or mother was killed in a terrorist attack? Would you want America to just stand there and say "Oh it's okay, it won't happen again". Hell no! You would be the first in line to stand up and want to go to war! It's people who disapprove of everything America does that tears us down! And right now, I think there are more IN America than the rest of the world!

Edwin Nealand   December 2nd, 2009 1:18 am ET

I am so disappointed in President Obama's decision. We don't belong over there!! Bring the troops home and use the money to get our own country rebuilt..We are so far in debt now that soon we will be a 3rd world country. Not one of our troops is worth losing for Afghanistan.

Jackie Bonny   December 2nd, 2009 1:18 am ET

We need to trust President Obama. Thats all we can do. Just give the man a chance, we trusted Bush for 8 years. Wy did Bush start this war anyway? Let President Barack Obama finish it.

AL   December 2nd, 2009 1:18 am ET

Larry. I agree with Michael more and Ventura on this issue. I think obma negotiated wiht republicans on tugg of war. "Let obama have health care but let him give us military option that we are after". Ofcourse generals wants wars. Thats how they get promoted and make living . We will not win this war. this is not a conventional warfare. We can not win but SURGE or not surge. we need to be more smarter and spend our affort in our intelligence gathering and focus on saving our resources to surgically remove those we are after. ITs insane to send 100K troops to zone. WE are bleeding our money. we are borrowing money from Communist nation to fund the war. How insane is this??

skroller3   December 2nd, 2009 1:18 am ET

I'm a little sick over this decision. The reasons to leave (history, cost, futility, no exit strategy, no real help, overworked troops, etc etc) FAR outweigh the reasons to stay (percieved "stability??"). Its ridiculous. I support Pres Obama, i voted for him, but I feel so strongly that this is just throwing good money after bad. I hope im wrong.

Dave   December 2nd, 2009 1:19 am ET

A bully uncheck only becomes a larger bully. I rather take it to their door step then to have them on ours. Why is it that everyone thinks turning our backs will make this all go away? I will not hit first but hit me and I hit back and hard should be our message.

Sana Khan   December 2nd, 2009 1:19 am ET


I completely agree with Michael Moore! There is absolutely no reason to send 30,000 troops to Afghanistan. This truly is a mistake. Do they think they will gain respect or trust from the Afghans. If anything this is going to ruined foreign relationships even more. I am extremeley shocked by President Obama's decision. What is the difference between Bush and Obama? War is not the solution to this problem and it never will be.It is time to resolve issues in a peaceful and civil manner. It is time America pays attention to its own domestic problems and stop creating more problems. What happened to "its time for change?"

Lillian Barnett   December 2nd, 2009 1:19 am ET

I was hoping, praying, that our President would announce that there would be a troop pullout. But. alas, this was not to be. I wonder, if this will be another 100 year war? There will be no winners in this
war, only losers, young men and women, life cut tragically short......
So sad....

Richard   December 2nd, 2009 1:19 am ET

Larry, Why are you giving Michael Moore so much time!!! Why is he Qualified to speak at length about our country. He makes Movies. Not good ones either.. It's a shame you get sucked in also!!! I love your show but tonight you missed By having this man speak for so long!!!

Johnny Perez   December 2nd, 2009 1:19 am ET

And of course we have 43 nations supporting this campaign. These nations are the ones we sent our economic hitmen to accept large loans that they cannot pay back. We then tel them, its cool, dont pay us back, but you have to support us and our policy, and vote for U.S in the united nations. So when you hear this BS about other nations on our side, its because they owe us money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SSG Allen   December 2nd, 2009 1:19 am ET

I have been deployed twice and my fiancée four times. People want to point the finger at President Obama but Bush and Cheyney started this mess. Afghanistan is where we should have been in the first place but instead thousands of my brothers and sisters in arms have been injured and killed for the sake of selfish agendas. People like Michael Moore and need to get the facts straight and realize we were backed into a corner and President Obama is doing what he can to get us out.

Alex Bandy   December 2nd, 2009 1:19 am ET

30,000 more troops. Not a good way to celebrate the holidays for those troops and families.My prayers are with them all.

Dennis Linville   December 2nd, 2009 1:20 am ET

Obama wants to secure Afganistan for drug dealers while there are more terrorist in the united states and he cant even secure the White House much less our borders?
Obama wants to organize the Afgan government and make the afgans productive? What about Americans out of work homeless and without health care?
Odd that republicans support killing(war) no matter the cost but completely deny spending money to save lives(health care). Americans can see this and i hope speak up and stop this !

Sue   December 2nd, 2009 1:21 am ET

I was so optimistic when Obama was elected president.
I am so disappointed now. What happens to a person's convictions & morals when they find themselves in the White House? Promises made, promises broken, that seems to be the reality. Is the U.S. unmanageable – ungovernable? I grieve for Obama, I grieve for our troops, I grieve for our country. Who is really in control here?

Jeff Hill   December 2nd, 2009 1:21 am ET

Let's not forget that NATO is already there trying to rebuild and give the afgani people back there country, canada is there already givin their lives, but lets face it america is the big kid on the block and is now coming to help their allies where it is needed most, and tell micheal moore to do more fact checking he knows better, there was low support for Iraq but most NATO countries are in afganastan helping the US, Stop being emotional and think about the objective, in veitnam it was mostly a Us war, in ww1 & 2 the allies were there as they are in afganastan, United we stand REMEMBER THAT

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 1:22 am ET

Regarding the interview with REP. Dennis Kucinich (D) Ohio on Anderson Cooper 360, and the comments of Mr Moore, Whom I respect for his approach to drawing attention to popular issues ……

We have Donkey Dem’s ‘n Pachyderm Rep’s, but if there are many more like the Representative from Ohio, they should form the Ostrich OMG’s.

Someone please pull his head out of the sand before he succumbs to Neville Chamberlain Syndrome (NCS), (PM of GB (1937-1940))

Also, wasn’t he listening? The speech referred to domestic issues many times over. Guess it’s hard to hear through that much sand. The deeper you dive, the less you know.

If the man YOU elected is to be trusted, he mentioned a commitment to balance domestic issues with security issues. Should we stop believing him now? The threat to the WORLD is real.

Sometimes there are forces loose in the world that cannot be dealt with politically. This is a fact. …. Just ask our old friend Neville.

Joan   December 2nd, 2009 1:22 am ET

It astounds me that Obama is sending more troops and is asking other countries to do the same. And a CNN guest reported earlier this evening that the Afghan president is corrupt and is supported by the US.

Perhaps the key resides in Dwight Eisenhower's concern expressed post WW ll that the US armament companies may take over the ecomonics of the US. An interesting subject, Larry, that, if explored, could be the report of the century.

Vancouver, BC

Ron J   December 2nd, 2009 1:22 am ET

Ask McCain if he would like to be taken away with no notice to anyone and held and tortured in a secret CIA prison ‘somewhere in afganistan’ for 7 years or forever. That’s what they’re doing. Michael Moore and Jesse V. please investigate these people-the new ‘lost’… and also the tortured prisoner pix Obama has ordered censored from the public. We need to see what they are hiding from us


Henry Stallings   December 2nd, 2009 1:23 am ET

I am a retired US Army SFC, Vietnam Veteran and advisor of a Army of Vietnam unit in the Ban Me Thout area of Vietnam. I had the task of training about 60 young soldiers of that Army for 10 months. I have compared them to training a boy scout troop. The Scouts would have learned, but these young men were untrainable. They were the first to meet the NVA when they crossed the border in their march to Saigon. They turned and ran along with the entire 23rd Vietnam Army Division. Get us out of Afganistan.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 1:23 am ET

Heroin trade in Afghanistan is almost $200 billion a year.

sharie   December 2nd, 2009 1:24 am ET

I am so disapointed with obama. being a canadian I was so thrilled when he was elected and thought finally the states has someone in there who does not want to tell every other country what to do. what a terrible disapointment. michael moore says its all my hat off to him for saying it what it is. will the killing of people in this world ever end?

Victoria Fisk   December 2nd, 2009 1:24 am ET

Listen up people we need to finish what we started. Here are the facts we need more troops! Yes we defeated Hitler in a shorter time period but we also had 10 times the amount of troops we have in the middle east now. I love the way that most of you complain about sending more troops, but how many of you have actually served? We need help over here and we need to support our elected President!! Young Americans..fathers..brothers...sons and daughters are losing their lives daily..stand up and show us that we mean buisness!!

sam   December 2nd, 2009 1:24 am ET

American should know by now that this is not a war that American want.this is a war,if American don't follow,Taliban&Terrorists will follow them.we should nerve let Taliban exist.Taliban were borough up and created from Pakistan.Afghans will fight against Taliban, with or without American army anyways.

Martin   December 2nd, 2009 1:25 am ET

Now that we have sent the message that we will leave in 18 months, the Taliban will hide and wait. The Afghan gove't should know that if they do not step up to defend themselves adequately, when we leave they will be slaughtered.
Pakistan must comply with us to become complicit in the offensive, to the goal of leading a true surge in order to thin out the Taliban, and find Bin Laden. The hope for complete resolution is futile at this point. If the 30 thousand troops according to generals are inadequate to weed out Taliban, we should withdraw now. If Pakistan refuses to cooperate in the offensive, we should withdraw now. I f the generals can not assure reasonable success according to evaluations done in 3 months, we should withdraw in 3 months.

kevin   December 2nd, 2009 1:25 am ET

You go Obama, fight this out..You have my supportt.

Kyle Tipton   December 2nd, 2009 1:26 am ET

I think Afghanistan is the same situation as Vietnam. I have always believed this, doesn’t anyone remember how corrupt the government of Vietnam was? The President of Vietnam’s brother was in control of the drug trade in Vietnam. Now we learn that the brother of the President of Afghanistan controls the drugs. President Kennedy with the CIA supported a coup in Vietnam to get rid of the corruption and it didn’t work. We ended up with 500,000 troops in Vietnam and over 50,000 dead. Is that where we are headed in Afghanistan?

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 1:26 am ET

I completely agree with Michael Moore. Reinstate the draft starting with the very wealthy like Cheney's family and you will see this war come to an end within 3 months.

John Lawrence   December 2nd, 2009 1:27 am ET

Why must we waste time seeing Michael Moore... totally not in tune with the world or what must be done... His view applies to a 2% segment of the population... Far far left...

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 1:27 am ET

I am a huge Michael Moore fan, but I believe he should let this decision by the President take it's toll. I know that seems a bit sinical, but what other choices do we have, let a GOP hopefull win the next presidential election, and have he or she take control of a war wich they started and do not want to end.

President Barack Obama has taken sufficient time to think his strategy through and clear. In the past few months that has led him to this decision I believe the President has had some bad influence, yet I also believe that he is intelligent enough to take his time, which he has done, so that the bad never influences his great judgment. I do not believe that the President is gullable enough to allow him self to be put in predicaments where his judgment is not the final decision.

His decisions have been meticulous in thought and in action, terms which were not used during the Bush administration. I do believe that the President's decision will prevail, and also that we will see a good outcome of this decision, for when a person takes time to solve problems he or she will inevitably be succesful. So Mr. Moore, give it some time.

ej in ABQ   December 2nd, 2009 1:27 am ET

Absolutely NOT! Michael Moore is exactly right! It makes no sense to keep spending, wounding and killing our young people for a NO-Win scenario. I'm sick over it. Very bad decision! I will write to Congress and the Senate next, my plea to the whitehouse fell on deaf ears.

Robb Goodell   December 2nd, 2009 1:29 am ET

Though Michael Moore's opinions are protected by the Constitution and treasured amongst a large portion of Americans, the value of such opinions should be weighed against common sense. If we were to draft, as he says, only the children of the top five percent of American society, the elite as he would say, we would not have any less wars. Michael Moore would oppose war all the way until AK 47s are blazing outside his own bedroom window. Such moronic statements completely ignore the reality that there is real evil in this world which threatens the liberty of people and their opinions like his own and they must be held at bay before the cost of American, and much more, human lives becomes far greater.

kevin   December 2nd, 2009 1:30 am ET

As a prior Marine, freedom comes at a high cost.

Tony   December 2nd, 2009 1:30 am ET

Michael Moore does not know American history. He stated that Americans, acting alone, succeeded in breaking away from Great Britain. Nothing could be further from the truth.
To say that America, with a little French help defeated Britain is like saying "Daddy and I killed the bear." French assistance in the form of supplies, troops, generals, and a real navy, made all the difference in the Revolutionary War. We will aid the Afghan people and prevent a restoration of barbaric Taliban rule. In doing so, we will also deny sanctuary to those who perpetrated attacks upon America. It is ultimately a matter of national security.

Jeff Hill   December 2nd, 2009 1:32 am ET

does anybody relize that allies such as canada and england are already there but are still in need of help to finish the job We are not the only ones trying to bring this to an end, please don't think your the only ones there, this is already a world Push,

luis   December 2nd, 2009 1:32 am ET

dont be blind,, the surge wsas black OPs killing bad guys at night using the "SURGE" as cover.. thats why it worked.. and these kidds that are joining the army today are NOT joining for god and contry,, its because thay cant find a JOB out there.. ..
very respectfully – 16 years U.S. Cavalry

mayzo   December 2nd, 2009 1:32 am ET

how about the cadets chewing gum and nodding off during the Commander and Chief's speech????

Julia   December 2nd, 2009 1:33 am ET

I am 59, a retired teacher, and come from a family of Democrats. I voted for Barach Obama, and I am horrified that he is promoting this war. This is a tragic day in his Presidency. He has lost his soul and what he told us he stood for. I wonder now who in the world he is trying to please? Why are we dumping more money and lives into a lost cause when our poor country has lost its way and needs help. Our country is broken and we have to stop trying to fix other people's governments that resent us and don't want us there in the first place. Barach Obama is not listening to the common American person any longer, and in fact is listening to the wrong people. We need him to follow his gut and do what he intended to do before he became President. This is so wrong and such a shame, and I am so disheartened by his decision.

Caleb   December 2nd, 2009 1:34 am ET

I am really discouraged by the people who have no support for their country. We don't live in a perfect world. Too bad you all are just to ignorant to understand that.

farah   December 2nd, 2009 1:35 am ET

It seems like such a terrible shame that innocent civilians have to get hurt in wars, otherwise combat would be such a wonderfully healthy way to rid the human race of unneeded trash. I dream of giving birth to a child who will ask, "Dad, what was war?"

Lucy Camacho   December 2nd, 2009 1:36 am ET


Rich   December 2nd, 2009 1:37 am ET

What is wrong with everybody. Look at history. If we are going to win any war. Do it right, Go with it at max ability send all troups in the service. Get it done, Don't play games.

Hiroko in California   December 2nd, 2009 1:38 am ET

I was born in Japan during the WWII and I hate any war, but we are already there.
The fastest way to remove stuck chewing gum is to use bigger chewing gum while it is still soft. If you try to scrape, it will spread and become very messy. You need more troops to protect the solders already there, so most of them can come home together, alive.

Hiroko in California

wail   December 2nd, 2009 1:39 am ET

Send an additional troops to Afghanistan Again ? why

not finished from Afghanistan !! too much killing people out there from both sides and we hope to end this war soon and peace come up in this country .

Marianne McDonald   December 2nd, 2009 1:40 am ET

I am a democrat. I believe that we are in this situation because we have abandoned the middle eastern people so many times in the past decades. If we abandon the Afghan people this time, we will be responsible for creating the next generation of terrorists. The Afghan people need our help, they want a better standard of living, a standard of living that all people deserve. Obama is wrong to say that we will not help them build their infrastructure. If we abandon the Iraq and Afghan people and allow their countries to fall into the hands of terrorists then we not only fail them but we fail our own country as well. If I need to pay 1% of my families income to help the cost of helping these countries, then that is what I have to do. I already pay with my husbands absence, a contractor for the last two years in Iraq, he is also a prior serviceman and veteran of desert storm. I have two daughters becoming Army officers who will both likely serve in Afghanistan at some time. We all need to stop being selfish and put ourselves in the shoes of the people of these countries and ask ourselves "what help would we want from the united states if we were them?" If opium is the number 1 crop and terrorist's are the only one's helping them then they have no choice but to live the lifestle handed them. We can do much more than leave them with these bleak options and nothing but secure hatred and resentment.

Cathy C   December 2nd, 2009 1:41 am ET

How soon we forget!! The whole reason we went to Afghanastan was due to the 3,000 lives that were lost on 9/11. Does this ring a bell. We were showing the enemy we were not going to allow hoodlums to come into our country and massacre our people. The Taliban is real and they want our heads. So no, Bush did not just one day decide to go into a country and stir up trouble. We went there to give a resounding message to the enemy, "We will fight for our freedom and not allow anyone to take it from us." How was the Bush administration suppose to forsee that we are dealing with an enemy that is extreme, radicals, willing to give their lives for a cause. Is it a bad situation, absolutely! Should we exist from Afghanastan, yes, because we our fighting an enemy that is insane and vicious. So, please, I am sick of hearing all this garbage about blaming Bush for the war. The original purpose we entered Afghanastan may have been lost after all these years, but don't ever say we should not have gone there. The reason we went onto the enemies soil was to give a voice to all those precious, innocent lives that were lost that September morning. This is why we are in the Middle East. The Taliban and Al Queida hate Americans and will do everything they can to destroy us. This is reality.

kevin   December 2nd, 2009 1:41 am ET

All my dead brothers and sisters from the military just rolled over in their grave, because of the heartless and ignorant Americans who support this Michael Moore, and the need to bring my fellow brothers and sisters home. It is not a draft era, these young adults are joining the military under their own choice. Nobody is telling these young brave adults to go jump off a cliff. You make the young brave soldiers, marines, sailors, airmen, coast guard, and national guardsmen unwanted and Michael Moore just needs to tend what he knows best...a camera. He is not a General in the military nor is in the CIA.

Roops   December 2nd, 2009 1:42 am ET

Americans have been involved in every war possible. It is unfortunate that they have not been able to resolve one. Not even the first one in their own country. (that is how we spell country up here). You messed up Iraq, do not make the same, (oooops to late), mistake in Aphgan. Fix,(sic) your own country first, and then the WORLD will be much better. Get out of other wars, and fight your own. Get health care, and create work.

Love you,

From Canada

Astghik   December 2nd, 2009 1:43 am ET

Hello dear Larry!

I am writting to you from Armenia!!!Probably you don't even know where it is but still!!!

Sometimes it seems to me that it is always easy to blame someone for whatever he does and always say this continuous Wrongs or Rights. We all do make mistakes.And now tell me will it be sensible to blame the whole humanity,mind not only the High Rockies, that today the whole planet is in danger and on the verge of destruction????

I trust Obama and I know that he will make the right decision and he won't let anything wrong happen!!!!Even if he sends those 30.000 American soldiers to Afghanistan be sure that they will return home all of them and if he promised to draw out the US military forces out he will do it.Let's give him a chance and don't blame him!!Because everything that he has been doing up to now was good in my opinion.

And what about the Moore and likes I am quite sure that they are simply jealous that they couldn't do what OBAMA is doing now. They ruined America and OBAMA is trying to reconstruct it again

Donald L. McGee   December 2nd, 2009 1:43 am ET

I am very sad to hear the news about sending in 30,000 American troops. I feel like this is Vietnam all over! I have lost family member's in Vietnam and i guess there will have to now be a wall made after this War like the one i go see my family on! May God Bless our troops,And help our Leader's Understand that this is a Conflict without a winning ending.

Caleb   December 2nd, 2009 1:44 am ET

It's as simple as this: If someone pushes you, what do you do? Say "Please do not do that again" or push them back?

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 1:44 am ET

There are two major sects in Afghanistan for those of you who do not know. The minorities of the two have been persecuted and treated as sub class humans by the Taliban since the beginnig of time. To train these individuals to protect themselves is the only way out of that horrible place, hence the President's decision to end our occupation of that land. I know that if we help the minority group of that land, we will establish a relationship with the good people of Afghanistan like none other could ever hope. When the Communist State of Russia occupied that territory they as well persecuted the minorities of that land, hence their deadly occupation of Afghanistan. Russian policy only aided the partisanship of the two sects by their malicious occupation of that land, so they only united the good and the bad, which led to Russia's demise. Think of the hatred that brought this country to flames during slavery and civil rights moments, that is the hatred that exist in Afghanistan between the two sects. They need our help, and if we do not help we should just start lynching people on American streets again, for it will be happening, just not here but over there.

Lea Borden, R.N.   December 2nd, 2009 1:47 am ET

I am simply outraged about the escalation. I became a Registered Nurse in part because of my experience as a young American teenager seeing the suffering inflicted by the Vietnam War. At that time I saw the dead: 58,159 U.S. soldiers, 3 to 4 million Vietnamese from both sides, and 1.5 to 2 million Laotians and Cambodians. Now in the invasion and occupation of Iraq I see the dead: 4,367 U.S. soldiers and an unknown but large number of Iraqis. And in the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan I see the dead: 929 U.S. soldiers and an unknown but large number of Afghans. This sickens me. Even Obama’s own party in California just adopted the resolution – End the U.S. occupation and air war in Afghanistan. I will be in a street protest Wednesday night in my small California city. And I will be there with hundreds of people who feel the way I do. Here is the old American value that the pundits, including Charlie Rose and all the rest, are missing: protest. Lea Borden, R.N.

Sue   December 2nd, 2009 1:47 am ET

Will someone please define "victory". What will we win? How will we know when the "job" is finished? How will we know when we have "won"? When we can start bringing our young people home to take care of the problems in our own country that we can't afford now that we are stretched too thin & leveraged to China? Do we ask the president these questions or the generals?

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 1:47 am ET

The top 5% draft, i'll sign that.

Jeff Hill   December 2nd, 2009 1:47 am ET

after 18 months america could drop there numbers as NATO or the UN can step in to do the humanitarian side of the rebuilding of that country but for right now the USA needs to be the muscle, the muscle america takes pride in the defender of liberty and democracy, and let the allies help were they are best, support and peace keeping, it started there and it will end there, RIGHT or LEFT support your president and your country as they are greater than yourself, stop dividing the country with the conflicts of opinion doing so just helps tear this great country down,

David   December 2nd, 2009 1:48 am ET

Considering the request came from the fighters themselves, YES!

LUCY CAMACHO   December 2nd, 2009 1:48 am ET

I oppose the war due to the fact the cost of lives, and the money involed while it is needed in the united states. the president is creating a big finance deficiet that will be of big consequences for our future generations. This will weaken the united states we need to take care of our own first before we help others. We need tp protect america at home first. we will lose the war due to the fact we are not ready for that type of warfare fare, I N ADDITON THE EDTS ARE HURTING ALOT OF OUR SOLIDERS WE HAVE DEVICES AND WE DON'T EVEN PROVIDE THE DEVICES TO STOP THE EDTSBECAUSE WE CAN'T AFFORD IT. I THINK THIS IS TERRIBLE. I PROTEST THE WAR AND DISAGREE BRING OUR SOLIDERS BACK HOME!

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 1:50 am ET

TY Cathy. Help us pull these long-necked birds out of the sand.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 1:51 am ET

@cathy, that is why Presidents are supposed to take their time with critical decisions. Not the, lets just bomb'em solution.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 1:52 am ET

One way to break a country is by having it continue to fight one war after another. Money goes out doubles money coming in. Eventually, everything collapses!

jetson   December 2nd, 2009 1:52 am ET

Are they going to call this surge shock and yawn?

Caleb   December 2nd, 2009 1:54 am ET

@ Hiroko

I think that is about the best example ever!

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 1:55 am ET

@ all who can not seem to comprehend that we are not trying to win anything, we are trying to let the good people of Afghanistan ready themselves in a way which would prohibit extremist from expanding their numbers in that part of the world. Oh yeah and keep the opium trade alive, we gotta get money some how.

Hughes J   December 2nd, 2009 1:55 am ET

Hi Larry,

I am writing to express I do not think some Americans understands what they are against as for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. So I will try to explain why it is not so easy to pack up and end the war. If the United States leave Iraq and Afghanistan, we Americans will never be at peace in this Country because we will always be target by terrorists on our soil. The only reason we have not been affected by terrorism is because our brave men and women are fighting day and night to keep us safe. I saw tears in President Obama eyes when he made the statements about sending more Troops to fight in the war. It is a very hard decision for any person to have to make; however, the President knows what it takes to keep we Americans safe and a live. Remember what happen in Mumbai India a year ago, the same can happen here on our soil, or even more deader attacks if we walk away now. My brother is a twenty five years vet.

Glenford, Canada   December 2nd, 2009 1:55 am ET

President Obama listen to all the important people and is also privy to info that none of us are aware of so we should allow him to do his job, he is a very intelligent person. If 3 mths after the surge all the heads of Al Qaeda are served up on a platter the conversation will be different. The American army are the best in the world its a volumtary army and they are trained for this job. Let them crush Al Qaeda once and for all and let the world breath a sigh of relief if even for a brief moment. Go get them yankees.

MissMH   December 2nd, 2009 1:57 am ET

First, I think that Barack is a great communicator. I praise him for that talent!! (coming from a Texan Republican who voted for Bush but hey, freedom right?) lol

Second, send more troops and TAX THE WEALTHY! DO IT!! DO IT NOW!! Do what you have to with the money from the rich; because it is insane that the super wealthy living in California would rather pay to fly into space then to roll down their window from their Bentleys to help a homeless person get a bottle of Advil for a mild fever!! Case in point, back when Bill Clinton was president everything as far as the economy seemed equal. With Bush for 8 years we have super wealthy and extremely poor people!!! What happened?! TAX: HOLLYWOOD, EXECUTIVES, TRUST FUND HARVARD ELITE, DO IT NOW! They would rather go to the MOON then to help a starving or sick American without healthcare?! AND ON TOP OF THAT LAY OFF PEOPLE FROM THEIR COMPANIES. IF BARACK OBAMA HAD THE SAME MOTIVATION TO WIN THIS WAR; LIKE THE GREED THAT THE SUPER RICH HAVE FOR MONEY.....THEN THIS WAR WOULD BE WON TOMMORROW.

gary   December 2nd, 2009 1:57 am ET


i dont emember where, but egypt and many sunni nations will work to build a bomb quickly if iran does, saudi arabia, the home of about 9 or so of the 9-11 hijackers, will buy them, immidiately, pobally have already from, north korea, brazil, or pakistan,

we are destroying ourselves, so our righywing 1/3 problem (as in most problem nations, it is 1/3 of crazies, that control the other 60 or so %,

get id of the middle class, and give up our country, our dreams, our way of life, and teh republicans have destroyed our moral leadership.

what happens if a group of people, armed themselves, with knowing false infomation, attacked, people, with the lies as thier defense, killed ove 100,000 people, and bankruped a country, if it was on our soil, bush, cheyney, wolfawitz, umsfield, let iraq gas iranian soildes, someething even hitle would not sink so low to do, no wonder, the itranians wont stop thier nukes, and no wonder, would you.

we need courageous people wheter ameican, russian, aphgan, pashtun, iseali, arab, to take charge, and make peace, and the final solution, should be keeping 1/3 of the crazies in the world from ever
coming this close to the end, the doomsday clock is in reality, about to hit midnight.

i have red most of my information in our news, our allies, our enimies, our allies allies and enemies, and our enemies , allies and enemys,

the eath is a horible powde keg.

only peace, respectying the land, the worker, the invester, the bussin ess owner, the minority, the majority, and have a secular world,

the christian, taliban, is no differrent, then the muslim, chineese, isreali, arab, persian taliban.

the middle ages taught us, government is secular, our morals are guided by our religious beliefs, the arch bishop of rhode islands comments, i belive would immediately made the ri dicise obligated to pay 5 years of back taxes, as all the religious bodies, worship houses , leaders, who peached politics from the pulpit, there goes our debt, and the pocket book of the loonies, let the religious right, or nationalist right of the world go to 1 afea and fight to the last , man, woman, then we can give a name to the village idiot

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 1:58 am ET

Since Canda is one of the sissiest country in the world, anything from that part of the world will be ignored by me. Any country that wears read jump suits and hooker boots is out of my conversation.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 2:00 am ET

Excellent show Larry King and CNN staff! Thank You

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 2:00 am ET

Kevin said pulling out of Afg. would be dis respectful to all those who decided of their own accord to go and stand up against oppressive and non-political forces, and did not return to their families.
I say again,
Sometimes there are forces loose in the world that cannot be dealt with politically. This is a fact. …. Just ask our old friend Neville.
(PM of GB 1937-1940). There are pictures of him shaking hands and agreeing to terms of peace with our other old freind, jolly old uncle Adolf.

David Lintz   December 2nd, 2009 2:01 am ET

Mr. King, please choose your guests based on their relevance to the subject under discussion, not their visibility. Interviewing someone like Michael Moore about the Afghanistan troop decision only denigrates the entire discussion. Of course he is entitled to his opinion, but his level of expertise is no greater than mine or yours, and is therefore only one more loud voice in the crowd.

Joan   December 2nd, 2009 2:02 am ET

It astounds me that Obama is sending more troops and is asking other countries to do the same. So far, I support Obama and his handling of the cards he was dealt. Perhaps the taliban could be better thwarted by cutting off their main funding, ie, the poppy crop proceeds. The US has the power to purchase the crops and use the heroin in medicine.

Vancouver, BC

Toni Cameron, CANADA   December 2nd, 2009 2:02 am ET

Larry – All this "fodder" is killing me. Everyone of UR guests have an opinion, but most of them have never been to "war"!How easy it is to send more Troops, they don't have to go. Michael Moore is absolutely correct.. Remember Vietnam Larry? Remember this song that came out of that war? I'll help U... "War, what is it good for? Absolutely Nothing, say it again!!"The US is hated around the world, and why? Ask yourself this question, what in the hell are we doing? Fighting in Counties that the citizens don't want us, chasing a "ghost" that we will "never" find. Forcing Democracy on civilizations that are hundreds of years older than us..Obama made a fatal mistake that will end in disaster for ALL! Mark my words Larry..U should be pushing to END THIS WAR! Thank U .

MissMH   December 2nd, 2009 2:02 am ET



sounds better, right?

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 2:03 am ET

Religion, Smaligion, garbage. Evolution rules, religion drools, Humanity will prevail when religion is wiped out as a whole from human's minds.

James   December 2nd, 2009 2:03 am ET

Michael Moore made a good point. Can you imagine if in the 50's and 60's the Soviets threatened to remove the Democratic and Republican parties because of the historical abuses that African Americans suffered under their hands. Those American political parties would become entrenched in their ideological positions, and anyone that adopted the views of the Soviets would have been considered traitors. Talibans are Afghan citizens, how can anyone in Afghanistan believe such American rhetoric that our aim is to remove the Taliban. Once the American public has had enough, and forgotten the horrors of 911, the politicians will fold under the pressure of needing to be re-elected and we will have the similiar situations that occured in Iraq when countless anti-Sadaam factions were betrayed by American foreign policy. History is not on our side and we have a very short-sided view of it. Foreign policy based on 4 year chunks of time makes for inconstistent national behavior that leaves an awful taste in the mouths of those that have been negatively affected by it.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 2:04 am ET

Canadiens are pussies

James   December 2nd, 2009 2:06 am ET

Yes Joan, I agree let loose big pharma on the Talibans, they won't stand a chance

mayzo   December 2nd, 2009 2:07 am ET

why is my previous comment "awaiting moderation"?

S   December 2nd, 2009 2:07 am ET

This war is useless. It is only benefiting the big corporations by increasing their profit and the politicians are profiting by getting elected by a means of creating a moral panic for society that the threat of terrorism is in place. These groups simply do not care about the poor and disadvantaged people who really need the funding, but instead they are spending billions of dollars in war. I think that war is the biggest crime. The people who are in power are profiting at the expense of the less advantaged people and destroying the lives of many innocent people including children. This war is pointless and I did not expect President Obama to make such a negative decision.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 2:07 am ET

Antonio, I am from Canada.
We have forces in the Khandahar sector who die just as easily as silly boys from LA. Don't think there were many hooker boots in the caskets returned to Ottawa. Guess ignorance is a universal plague.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 2:12 am ET

Cat got yer tongue Tony?

MissMH   December 2nd, 2009 2:19 am ET

People should not be afraid of their governments; governments should be afraid of their people.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 2:26 am ET

I agree that religious sentiments have been the root cause of malcontent and conflict for countless thousands of years. It seems incredible to think that now all of a sudden, all of this can change.
But, I agree that it must. However, ignorance and mistrust will likely prevail as long as humankind inhabits our planet.
In the meantime, there are forces loose in the world that cannot be dealt with politically. This is a fact. Should we stick our heads in the sand and say, "Huh?"
All the vets, US, Canadian, living or KIA, deserve that we understand that fact, and respect them for their commitment to it

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 2:30 am ET

You want to get Al-Qaeda??? Go ask Illicit Transactions Group (ITG)! They know and they are here in Washington!

James   December 2nd, 2009 2:31 am ET

How did America become 'A More Perfect Union'? How were views on humanity, civil rights and equality for all changed? Look to history for what has worked in changing the views of the majority, especially when those views support the inhumane treatment of its citizens. We cannot beleive that America is the only nation capable of being transformed through powerful social processes.

James M   December 2nd, 2009 2:43 am ET

Since when should America exercize it's hegmony over regions of the world where we have no justifiable region being in? Sure the 9/11 attacks came from Afganistan only because Usama Bin Laden chose to live there. Meanwhile we have not been able to caputre Usama Bin Laden for this long? Cut me a break please! Afganistan's govt is thoroughly corrupt and a haven for heroin drug trade into Europe. A far greater threat that the 100 or so Talliban still in country. What about our capturing land and planting our flag alongside vassal puppet states like "Greater Kurdistan" so we can have an interest in exercizing financial control in huge oil fields in the former Northern Iraq for the benefit of Western Europe? They don't want to talk about that and the billions that Halliburton continues to make off of plundered Iraqi oil shipped to Western Europe via the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan Pipeline thru Turkey. No dear friends. It still is all about oil and Pakistan is just a diversion for your attention. Sadly I feel that President Obama's unfortunate decision tonight will, in the long term, do nothing more that teach the United States what the term "Hubris" means in a new and dynamic way. A sad state of affairs for sure.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 2:46 am ET

Weren't some of those powerful social processes flintlocks? Neville thought powerful social processes had given him "Peace in Our Time". They say history is meant to be learned from.
In the end you need to understand that there are forces lurking about who want you DEAD; powerful social processes be damned.

Bill   December 2nd, 2009 2:52 am ET

The president said he wants to disrupt and defeat the Taliban in Afghanistan. He uses passive words. We should destroy not disrupt. Disrupting and defeating allows them to come back in the future. Destroying them may not allow that.

Sending more troops is also a good thing, however, we have lions being led by a lamb. Nobody fears that. When you have a lion leading lambs people are fearful. In other words, go in, push forward, ... don't back up and back out when taking fire from houses. Locate, close with and destroy. You don't kill a cancer in pieces; you destroy the entire cancer.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 2:53 am ET

You want to end Bin Laden and Al-Qaeda? You only need to look as far as Washington DC. Look up ..... Illicit Transactions Group (ITG) That unknown entity watches, monitors and records the funding between the Saudis and Al-Qaeda!

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 3:02 am ET

In the end, a humanity-wide change in attitude towards others, respect of an individual's right to life, education to combat ignorance, and a basic understanding of each individual's right to life and liberty. Whether American, Canadian, Chinese, African, Muslim, Hebrew ...
Is this realistic?
History says "No".
Truly a dire predicament.
In the meantime should we just bend over and dunk our heads? "Nuthin' I kin do 'bout it."
I dis-agree, there-in lies our fate .... we are all human. And history being the way it is, will prevail.

Bill   December 2nd, 2009 3:06 am ET

It's not how many troops get sent in, it is how they are emlployed. Don't tie their hands. Tell them what is expected and let them do what they do best to provide the end result. Don't tell them, this is what we want, and oh, by the way, do this and don't do that.

It was appauling to see the President last month offer money to the Taliban if they stop fighting with us and lay down their arms. It remnded me of a boy in grade school, offering the bully not to beat him up if he gives up his lunh money. Definitely made us look weak in the worlds eyes.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 3:15 am ET

@ Derk

Interesting concept!

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 3:16 am ET

Last word ... I'm a Cannuck, but YOU elected this man, presumably because you paid attention and believed in his understanding of the world. There are also those who paid attention and did not agree.
Your team lost.
The young president is displaying an understanding of the situation both at home and abroad and deserves to be allowed to implement what he believes to be be the correct approach.
Hundreds of lives have been given in support, (with-out a draft), of YOUR President.
I think that fact alone deserves the utmost of respect.

James   December 2nd, 2009 3:34 am ET

Some can't see that a civil war is a powerful social process.

The cold war era CIA aided in the formation of numerous social processes which brought change in Iran (Shah), South America, etc... Foreign policy does not have to be implemented through overt means.

Look to history for the answers, for what worked and what did not work.

But, primarily do not fool yourself into thinking that you are to smart for others to have a valid opinion.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 3:36 am ET

By the way Antonio, "sinical" is spelled CYNICAL. re comment @ 1:27 am.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 3:40 am ET

@Dirk, thanks not like most people, i love to learn new things, also you knew what i meant, but thanks again.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 3:48 am ET

@Dirk,Religion is the cradle of all evil. I truly believe that the end of all oppression will inevitably come when humanity comes together as a whole. Jokes aside, I believe we are all brothers and sisters and what has driven us apart since the beginning has been none other than religion. we are all human, there is only one real nation, and that my dear canadian is the human nation.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 3:49 am ET

I think all opinions are to be respected insofar as to be debated. And sometimes political means HAVE worked to address critical issues; ie. Cuban Miss. Crisis.
However, we are all human, and consequently we err. We need to focus on processes that have been proven (by history) to be positive.

Should we have allowed Uncle Adolf, Milosovich, Pol Pot and the like to just carry on ... this a question that tugs at your morals.
Once again, damn us humans.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 3:50 am ET

I got a C in english 101, and an A in trig functions.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 3:51 am ET

Tony, Did you say human nation ? :=)

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 3:52 am ET

Oops, I meant Derk

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 3:54 am ET

In the end, I want to live. And if there are folx around who want me DEAD, I'm not going to accept any "sleep-over" invitations.
Once again, there are forces loose in the world that cannot be dealt with politically.

James   December 2nd, 2009 3:58 am ET

Social upheavals

Thing gone right:
Ghandhi emancipated his people from British rule, Martin Luther King,
Linden Johnson – civil rights bill, Jesus the man, Mohamed

Thing gone wrong:
Hitler, Leon Trotsky and Lenin (good idea until Stalin came along), recent ethnic cleansing attrocities.

Humanity is a beautiful thing – all it takes for evil to flourish is for good men to do nothing (and become cynical).

Things that have gone wrong in history have been righted. The things that have gone right remain.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 3:58 am ET

I can only dream of a Global Human nation, where color and language barriers will be non-existant, where the world will be ONE. Some would call that communism, even socialism, whatever, when we accomplish that goal there will only be peace.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:02 am ET

The most prosperous civilizations on this planet are due to one mans dream of uniting the masses, yet we can not seem to unite earth as a whole.

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 4:06 am ET

I watched President Obama's address. Tonight I saw real saddness in his eyes-What a terrible position to have put oneself into..

Tonight on CNN I learned a new television "concept"-I thank God for that talented Journalist who most eloquently stated:


In reflection,

Isn't that what we've been saying all along?

CNN needs to report about corruption (the hidden truth) more often as difficult as it is to admit.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:07 am ET

when humans realize that what has been accomplished by humans will be dwindled in comparison to what will be accomplished by those same humans who will one day come together and leave all the petty beliefs behind.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 4:08 am ET

One of my biggest concerns is, why don't we have Bin Laden? I agree that the funds generated by the opium trade have likely been instrumental in keeping this coward in hiding somewhere in a hole, and this issue needs to be addressed by giving the locals an alternative to growing poppies.
But fundamentally, that is a long-term undertaking, and in the meantime, YOU and I are in the cross-hairs. Can you believe the jubilation around the world if sending more troops succeeds in rooting him out?
Obama would be "prez fer life".
However, I am realistic enuf to understand the idylic nature of this.
I am also realistic enuf to believe that we should not just let ourselves be DEAD.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:09 am ET

How can CNN do that when the real powers at large control all that is televised.

James   December 2nd, 2009 4:10 am ET

Here is an excersize,

imagine a movement that would take away the rights of women in America to vote.

What would it take for that to happen in America?

I can't even imagine a process that would allow that to happen.

Robbyn Barnett   December 2nd, 2009 4:13 am ET

He ran on the back of words like "Bring our troops home" and "Health care for everyone", thats what I voted for! Where is that guy?????

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:13 am ET

I believe Osama Bin Laden is and will be forever a C.I.A. operative. Sad, but a true belief. If and when he is captured he will only be a C.I.A scapegoat.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 4:13 am ET

Human nature = "Looking out fer #1".
Sorry, that's who we are. We always have been. Can we change?
I hope.

Mathew   December 2nd, 2009 4:15 am ET

The american military is spread so thin all over the world. I think that if we took all of the Special Forces soldiers that the US has and let them take care of the situation. This war wont be going on for much longer.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:15 am ET

Imagine a movement that would cease all religous beliefs, and pursue a movement of togethernes and technoligical advancements.

Dr angel Yanagihara   December 2nd, 2009 4:16 am ET

The 30000 troops should go to Israel and Palestine to mediate peace and two state solution to rebuild self determination of Palestine. The whole flames of jihad are flamed by the unresolved thorn in the side of the middle east. Isreal has earned the respect of the world and the right to exist but continued demoralization of Palestine is a slap in the face of the Muslim world . That is what 9/11 was really all about!
Why can't UN take up the issue of genocide dictated by quoran. This was written in AD 700. The modern world is too diverse to support jihad
25% of the worlds population I'd Muslim and called to support jihad. This is not all coming from the hill people in afganistan .
The core problem is the dictates of the Quran to kill Christians and Jews. There needs to be a revised Quoran in which these are removed.
Afghanistan beat Alexander the great how stupid are we to get sucked into this fly paper trap! So much for being a "super power"!
Afganistan can only change if we use this money to buy all opium. This would be cheaper than war and really cut the head off the Taliban!
I bet al qaede is laughing their head off at Taliban tar baby trick in Afghanistan while they build up in Paraguay SA Africa and Indonesia!

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:17 am ET

Understood, there will always be a human more capable than the rest its called evolution. But the power still lies within the masses, never forget that.

Umana   December 2nd, 2009 4:17 am ET

It is always easy for the wealthy to say let send the soldiers to war. After espending 400 days in Iraq and realizing that it is the lower income people that always suffer those that couldn't finish school because they had to support their families. Those that have parents or family member in need of support that they can't get from the government and that is why we leave our families behin and some time to never see them again. After getting back and not being able to find a job i'm thinking about volunteering to afghanistan – do i want to? NO but i need to support my family. Do the rich send their kids to war? NO They couldn't even handle a day in basic. LET GET BACK THE DRAFT AND SEND EQUAL MEMBERS FROM VERY WEALTHY FAMILIES TO THE ONES NOW SERVING EVEN THOUGHT WE DON'T HAVE TO BE DREFTED BECAUSE WE ALREADY VOLUNTEER.

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 4:18 am ET

Imagine a world that embraced all a person can be spiritually, intellectually, emotionally, physically and inter-personally?

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:19 am ET

the largest group of people can not compete with the world.

James   December 2nd, 2009 4:19 am ET

Why don't Merck, Pfizer and the like go to Afghanistan and help turn this rogue crop into an economically viable one. Imagine building legitimate processing plants, that could manufacture morphine, oxycotin, vicadin, etc... The corruption would not completely go away, but it could be a start.

Mr Fontaine   December 2nd, 2009 4:21 am ET

Larry I think if you have a cold you must increase the immune system by taking vitamins and medicine. You need more troops in this country to help it heal. The body needs help to fight off desease like a country needs soldiers. This desease attack us first we are just making sure we cure it not treat it.

Sent from my iPhone

Darrel Brown   December 2nd, 2009 4:22 am ET

I am very disappointed with the President's decision to send additional troops. I work hard for Obama in the last General election and I feel that he has let a tremendous amount of his supporters down with both Health Care decisions (we should have a single pay system, or a least a strong public option) and we should be bringing troops home instead of sending more. I'm afraid he is starting to look more like George Bush all the time. This is not the change that so many of us voted for. Darrel Brown

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:22 am ET

I agree with spiritualist rhetoric, i dont know what it is but we all feel it time, and time again. one thing is for sure its not heaven and its not hell.

Chris D. Lee   December 2nd, 2009 4:23 am ET

I'm watching Larry King midnight show at this moment simply because I wish to express my sincere thoughts on troop increase in Afghan/Pakistan.
1. I'm Vietnam vetran sent from South Korea in 1967/8.
2. I went to War-Museum in Saigon(HCM city now) 2 weeks ago and I had tears in my eyes seeing how they humilating U.S. and ROK soldiers; showing noting but us killing them and never showing any good deeds we did so much for them.
3. We spent some $800biliions of tax money in that war and I do not know how much more we have to spend in Afghan/Pakistan(now more toward slipping toward Paskitan)
4. We should not do another Vietnam and sorry for it later. We lost 58,000 U.S troops and 3,800 Korean troops. We should use such such resouces in different way; hearts and souls of what they need.
Don't try to change all Muslims into Christianity in 5 years-10 years.
History tells why it is not working.
5. So, please do not spent another $800billion and 58,000 lives but let U.N do its share and let them do as much as we do. Otherwise, don't do it.
6. We need to fix our own back yard; so much in dept/unemployment and it is about time America wake up and take care this country first; spent $800billion and build our own economy and build more assembly lines and hire 6million-10million in 5 years.
Get smart and save America first!
Do you think China or Russia would spend that much money?
L.A. Ca

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 4:23 am ET

CNN had an honest, open discussion tonight-I found the conversation between Michael ware and Fareed Zakaria fascinating.

segun   December 2nd, 2009 4:24 am ET

Im from nigeria, i thought pres obama said he was gonna end d war? i think sending more troops is the opposite of what he said during his campaigne! when does he intend to pull out the troops? after his tenure?

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:25 am ET

@james, dont know what rock youve been hiding under, I put my life on that those companies have and will be there forever now.

Richard Clemmons   December 2nd, 2009 4:25 am ET

The President is 100% Correct in his actions. Freedom is not free. Would we rather the War be on our Soil or Aboard. Most Americans only hear or read about War horrors, others live it everyday. We as a Nation are spoiled and dislusional

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 4:26 am ET

Well James, pulling out of Afg. right now would probably allow The Taliban to institute policies such as those.
I will let your morals decide for you the rightness of this, and whether it should be allowed to happen.
Allowing you to decide for yourself is your RIGHT; Supporting your decision is your RESPONSIBILITY.
One of your informed decisions was to hand the reins to this President.
Hundreds of young men and women have paid dearly in support of that decision. Respect them, at least.

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 4:26 am ET

James-its all about control and trust-If the military is the Blue Jay-then American corporations are the canary-its all a financial game. But in time-more jobs abroad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 4:29 am ET

@c kelly, didn't John Lennon say something like that?

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:29 am ET

@cKelly, My problem is that i do not see televison personalities as honest, simply because any and all T.V personalities have had at one point in their life to beg, borrow, and steal as we say in the U.S. So no matter how honest they may seem i believe if they are there, they owe someone, and if they owe someone their integrity will eventually be compromised

James   December 2nd, 2009 4:30 am ET

Does anyone think that Blackwater has amassed enough firepower to stage a coup d'etat in America? Hmmmmmm

A private army, with a base of operation in Southern California...

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 4:31 am ET

I think c kelly fell out of the chair ......

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:31 am ET

@derk. I laughed. think he did.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 4:32 am ET


Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:33 am ET

Black water would need the entire human race's help in that coup.

Ron J   December 2nd, 2009 4:34 am ET

Asking our citizens and our troops to continue to support and expand U.S. presence in Afghanistan is the wrong move for a big country that should be a better country. When the people elected Obama, they voted for him to begin to reverse the Bush-Cheney deceptions and abuse of war powers that have dragged on and clearly damaged our position internally and around the world. The attack on Iraq was an unnecessary violation of decency and humanity that caused incalculable numbers of deaths that is still continuing and is a huge failure of policy. If as Obama noted during the campaign this invasion was wrong and a failure, why did he then keep on Gates and McCrystal at all ? They should have been pushed aside immediately to restore credibility. The violation of Iraqi rights and the corruption resulting from military contractors like Blackwater and Haliburton being overpaid and profiting from this misery is
well documented and completely immoral and illegal under our laws. Why then should we believe in the second invasion and occupation launched in Afghanistan by the neocons ? It seems that we also went in under a false pretext there as well--to catch an Al Queda Chief-the phantom OBL. But we quickly went from that slippery mountain high goal to installing a corrupt puppet president, dividing the population into an us and them mentality , and playing god by giving ourselves license to kill anyone we label as’ theTaliban.
Now our forces are clearing and holding land, building roads, schools, being security police, sending bombs and drones into Pakistan—
Huh? Instead of helping cool things down and bring peace, We are destabilizing the area by design and trying to put in place a ‘dummy’ democracy of sorts by the butt of a gun, but cannot not even hold a real election. This Afghan War is a failure because the people there do not support usAnd want our invasion to end now.

..Puleez. hold afganistan ? y’all can’t even hold san diego ca.
trippin .big time….

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:35 am ET

Most of us have guns, and the ones of us who dont, know where there is a gun store. Good luck Blackwater.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 4:36 am ET

James, james, james .... ya just had the most scrutinized ( and arguably the most important ) election in the last 100 years.
Ya talkin' 'bout coup's already ? ..... Goood God !

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 4:38 am ET

@ derk-Not that I am aware of but the whole blue-jay/canary business model has been thrown at us for the last 20 years...lololol..I do have a bad chair..I am also a Canuk by the way...lolol (no bad chair intended)/

@Antionio-I agree-I think it must be very difficult to be a television personality...your opinions or lack of opinions make or eventually break you...I do like Larry though!!!!!!!!!!!!

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:39 am ET

Any talk about Obama's plan is bogus, for we could have only hoped to have had his mind during the debacle years. anything that man puts his mind to will be a succes. The man refuses to lose.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:42 am ET

@cKelly,I do not think it is difficult at all, I just think that all present T.V personalities left their morals in their mothers womb.

kim   December 2nd, 2009 4:44 am ET

I don't know why everyone is so surprised. Way back in the campaign I remember Obama saying that he wanted to add troops to Afg. and withdraw from Iraq.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 4:45 am ET

CNN is reasonably objective, as any network can get in the US. We have to remember, it is backed by investors... who like high ratings and income. Another good network to watch is CCTV (Central China TV) It helps to keep things in balance!

I agree, Fareed Zakaria has a balanced perspective and intelligent! I enjoy watching his program (GPS) on Sunday.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:47 am ET

@dodie, that is a grave problem, everything in the U.S is ratings driven.

James   December 2nd, 2009 4:49 am ET

Guys, Guys, Guys, I am prior service. A former tadpole (baby frog HOOYAH-UDT, BUD/S medical drop)

I served with 1st Recon Bn afterwards as a Naval hospital Corpsman. Later I went to deep sea dive school, where I became a 2nd then 1st class diver.

I love this Earth, my humanity and this country, and will never sit idly by when there are those that would see me dead.

Just playing devil's advocate on some issues

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 4:49 am ET

@ Ron ... are you willing to lie down and move aside so that these Idylic offshoots of Islam may kill you?
It is true that Northrop Grumman and McDonnell Douglas profit from this war. Of course they do.
But I'm human, sorry I can't change that, and I don't wanna die.
Morally for me, that means standing and saying NO.

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 4:49 am ET

@ Antonia-eliz

Well I can appreciate a certain amount of frankness-and right or wrong I sensed an "uncontrolled moment" between Ware and Zakaria-I like to believe I am astute- and if I am ,..well the truth slipped out (its logical because most people know that over the last 40 years- billions of dollars get donated and sent to Africa and the middle east- yet the plight of the poor gets worse and the plight of the Rich,The Gold Digger and The War Lord only gets at some point even an 8th grader has to do the math) and if I am not correct ,and it was all some sort of diversion as 30,000+ troops are going out...

...well "what a statement!!".

The truth hurts.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:49 am ET

Example, the only reason why Palin was televised so much was because of great T.V ratings. Point reached.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 4:49 am ET

@ Antonio-elizabeth,NJ

Bottom line, ratings keeps the doors open so to speak! But I think CNN has been allowed to be as objective as they possibly can. It is like that everywhere.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 4:52 am ET


It is always wise to look at all the possibilities!

James   December 2nd, 2009 4:56 am ET

I've learned one thing well, there are other geniuses out there.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:56 am ET

@cKelly, I stopped watching after Campbell said this could be the deciding factor in Mr. Obama's reelection. Comments like that make me wonder.

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 4:57 am ET

Palin is a diversion to infiltrate and divide the independents, particularly the "tea-baggers"-so obvious.-she will never be a successful candidate for the republican party IMO.

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 4:58 am ET


I seldom pay attention to the anchors.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 4:59 am ET

Kudos dear Dodie, put it to you this way, they only dig as deep as they are allowed to dig.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 4:59 am ET

"Action speaks louder than words but not nearly as often."
qt – Mark Twain

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 5:01 am ET

James, you seem like a survivor.

Palin does not have the experience. She is too impulsive. She makes a good celebrity.... Even Obama is struggling as the whole situation is very convoluted.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 5:04 am ET

@ Antonio-elizabeth,NJ

Yes, and that should always be something to think about. Its why I enjoy watching News from a Country that is not coerced by the US.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 5:05 am ET

"Climate is what we expect, weather is what we get. "
Samuel Langhorne Clemens.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 5:06 am ET


Do you have all those quotes memorized and by which author?

Good memory and avid reader

James   December 2nd, 2009 5:07 am ET

@Dodie, I don't know how to take that. ???Survivor???

I agree that Sarah makes a good celebrity. I remember when McCain introduced her to the world, I was petrified.

Then she opened her mouth. wheeew!!!!

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 5:07 am ET

LOL Derk!

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 5:08 am ET

Nite All ... zzzzzzzzzz ................................

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 5:10 am ET

LOL James

That was my exact reaction too. I was thinking... good grief... old man dies and she is president. We would be in a world of hurt!!!

Survivor in a positive direction... meaning you look at all angles. You run numerous scenarios before making a decision

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 5:12 am ET

Night Derk. I am also ready to slumber in the midnight sun : ~ )

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 5:13 am ET

@Dodie, I think about things like that all the time. A society that is controlled is called communist. A society that is secretly controlled is called capitolist. Sad, but true.

louie   December 2nd, 2009 5:15 am ET

do not like Campbell Brown,,she married the powerful Republican & THEY BOTH ARE AGAINST oBAMA... from the moment he began his campaign....

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 5:16 am ET

Night guys, and girls.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 5:16 am ET


Very well stated. I will leave with this one profound quote!

None are more hopelessly enslaved……..
Than those who falsely believe that they are free………
By: Johann Wolfgang Von Goethe

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 5:17 am ET

@ James, Tonight-as I got groceries late, a Canadian serviceman (Army I think) walked down my street in downtown Vancouver.. Its so rare to see military in Canada walking around but we do see them!! In my home city in Ontario-I saw lots-tall, young in uniform going off to war in Afghanistan in 2005, 2006.

But in Vancouver-its different, even with a large military base across the water in Victoria-we never see them...but that's Vancouver...

Cold, no spirit-only money, new buildings, political correctness, diversity and no connection-our bars suck (its reputation is the "no fun" city) ..sterile, joggers and cold smiles...eyes seldom connect but everyone is "super fit" super healthy" everything is super everything (I hope the Olympics falls flat on its face and betrays the neatly hidden homeless..)

my point is that .there really is no real variance by American standards unless you cross cambie and visit the "famed" downtown eastside.....but 15 minutes away the rest of the downtown and west Vancouver is the richest part of Canada per capita.

The serviceman made a point of really smiling at me and I smiled back..

It reminded me about something my now dead father said to me-Canada couldn't be Canada without the United States-while Canada has invested in healthcare and education -the US has largely carried our protection. America needs protection of its people and interests.

For this I am grateful as a Canadian.

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 5:17 am ET

Good Night! Enjoyed the conversation! Rest well

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 5:17 am ET

Yeah but she seems to uhh kinda be the smartest.

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 5:18 am ET

@Dodie, I just got goose-bumps.

James   December 2nd, 2009 5:19 am ET

@Dodie, thank you.

I am open to change, I am not so regimented and ideological that I cannot admit that your idea is better than mine. That allows me to run numerous scenarios, or incorporate other people's ideas with mine to form a better solution to a problem.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 5:20 am ET

I think c kelly is drunk ... LOL ... sorry, .... :=)


Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 5:21 am ET

James... You are wiser than many, by keeping an open mind!

Antonio – Yes, me too. when I read it.. my jaw hit the floor!

Good night! all enjoyed the conversation...

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 5:22 am ET

LOL Derk

Ralph Garcia   December 2nd, 2009 5:23 am ET

I don't get it! Yes I would like to see our troops state side or on home soil, I use to be one. However, we just got a new President and in a year he's suppose to do what the one who started this mess couldn't. I agree completely with President Obama, when you're fighting you don't fight with one limb. You use all you can including help from someone else if it's available you jump your opponent. This strategy will cause that opponent to either conceed or committ suicide, which seems to be what the president is expecting. Meanwhile, everyone in America is oppose to that bring the troops home. Darn for the first time in our history we have a Commander-in-Chief that listens before reacting and we call him stupid. But the Bush Administation and all the others instead of listening were the first to react. To me that's no different than me telling my daughter to write her name, than I'll teach her the alphabets. I agree with what the president is doing shaping things up which is exactly what's needed. America is so use to doing things backwards, we seem to think it's the right way.

James   December 2nd, 2009 5:24 am ET

@ckelly, wow!!! That flowed like poetry. Had to read you last post a couple of teams to feel the inflections, Yes feel...

Antonio-elizabeth,NJ   December 2nd, 2009 5:25 am ET

@all, Good morning, my mind has been blown. Thank you guys.

James   December 2nd, 2009 5:26 am ET

Good night people, my typing is geting basdfh abfdasdf I enjoyed myself. LOL

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 5:26 am ET

James, ya ploughed as well? ..... :=)

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 5:27 am ET


ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 5:27 am ET

I am not drunk-but I think Derk might be Dodie!! or at least a good friend...

I am glad for your lovefest however.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 5:30 am ET


James   December 2nd, 2009 5:33 am ET

@ckelly, I would have said "uber fit", "uber healthy"

Ron J   December 2nd, 2009 5:35 am ET

@ Derk,

we have already answered the 9/11 attack X10 , and we still want to keep killing. We are going after the wrong people,
the Taliban never attacked the united states. Because we suffered a wrong is no reason to create more wrongs..all
the experts now say al-queda is not even there anymore. We are already responsible for a million deaths in Iraq,
are we going for ½ a million in Afganistan ? we don’t even try to count the so called enemy dead anymore, and we censor and sanitize
the information about our own troops suffering . we are making a bad situation even worse! let's cool things down and see if we can
lead by example.

Ralph Garcia   December 2nd, 2009 5:36 am ET

I don't get Michael Moore, become a fulltime Jerry Springer clone. Political analist isn't your thing pal!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 5:38 am ET

uber is "over used"-

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 5:39 am ET

@ron-pay no attention to the staff..

James   December 2nd, 2009 5:40 am ET

How many of you would form a coalition to keep Cheyney from being elected president?

Dianne   December 2nd, 2009 5:51 am ET

I beleive President Obama was correct to let the world know the timetable. If the world cares, they have time to step up and do their share for the protection of the world from nuclear weapons. Karzai now knows that American blood will not be spilled for his corrupt government and from him not getting the Afghanistan army on the move. Karzai definitely knows he has to learn to count on himself and his people. We will not support corruption. Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India need to let grudges go and focus together to controlling their countries and governments from the Taliban and Al Queda. The need to form alliance together and stop the jealousy. Each tribal leader needs to get aboard with the prespective goverment, with Al Queda, the Taliban, and other terrorist will eventually harm them as well. Let the world help defend. The rest of the world has been able to offer health care, decent wages, improved education,and a better life for their citizens because the USA has put our service people lives and the financial stability of the USA on the line. It is time for us to take care of us. It is time for the world to step up to the plate.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 5:51 am ET

@ Ron J,

Whose facts we believe, and those of whom we don't, must determine how we feel about any issue.
However, concerning the President's speech this evening, it seemed to me, ( a Canadian ) that a true concern was displayed regarding BOTH domestic and foreign issues. Once again, "Who do you believe"?
Millions of Y'all elected this man, presumably on the merits of his intelligence, (a milestone leap beyond before), and thousands of your youngest and best have given their lives in support of YOUR decision.
Sometimes ya gotta put yer money where yer mouth is.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 5:54 am ET

Ron, it's getting light here buddy ...........

James   December 2nd, 2009 5:58 am ET

A long term Green Beret style Hearts and Mind mission would be Taliban infiltration.

Would look for Arabian looking Spaniards (Spain was ruled by Arabs at one point) within SF community, send them to one of the numerous military immersion language schools, teach them how to farm, then send them to change the ideology from within. Long term op though, members would have to be non-muslim, so that there would be no ideological conflicts.

Covert is the only way to go as we start dealing with nuclear capable Muslim and Hindu nations.

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 5:59 am ET

get real Derk...Canadian really where from?

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 5:59 am ET

reminder to dianne, caskets returned to homelands are not restricted to US Service-Men/Women. Some of us have been, and are STILL at the plate.

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 6:00 am ET

Tell me DerK? Where in Canada are you from or live now?

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 6:03 am ET

We live everywhere around the world, and sometimes wonder why you folx can't seem to galvanize around your rhetoric. I think the last election was a major step towards common-sense within your government. Why can't you stand by that ?

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 6:04 am ET

@ c kelly, Montreal, Quebec

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 6:05 am ET

I have no problem with elections-Where in Canada are you from?

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 6:05 am ET

Ca vas? Where in Montreal-great city!!

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 6:07 am ET

West-Island, Pierrefonds

Dianne   December 2nd, 2009 6:09 am ET

Reminder to Derk. The huge number killed, maimed, and the financial responsibility has largely been left to the USA. It is time for the world to really step up to the plate with both financial responsibility and service people, because of the USA many in the world are able to sleep more peaceful. We, Americans deserve health care, decent wages, education as well as others in the world.

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 6:11 am ET

so you gotta love your Provincial representative-?

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 6:11 am ET

I have no arguement with you based on yer last post.

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 6:12 am ET


Derk   December 2nd, 2009 6:14 am ET

It seems that you haven't read my previous posts. Goto TopOfPage and search "Derk".
I have no arguement with you ... Are you hitting me cuz I'm a Cannuck?

precious oghagbon from italy   December 2nd, 2009 6:14 am ET

i see the rationale behind sending more troups to train the afghan forces but i doubt if the final goal will be achieved which is total peace in afghanistan and the world in so short a period of 18months.

Ron J   December 2nd, 2009 6:17 am ET


And it’s 1-2-3 what are we killing 4 ?
Don’t ask your Uncle Sam
Next stop Afghanistan–
5-6-7 open up the secret jails
–ain’t no time to wonder why
whoopee –how many have to die ?! $$$$$

Turn on your flatscreens. Tune in to CNN.
Drop out of War !

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 6:17 am ET

c kelly; "D'ou viens tu?"

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 6:18 am ET

No because you, Dodie and others on here are not being honest-misrepresenting yourselves...and yet you set yourself up against other posters who don't know that you work for LKL. Its very manipulative . Just be honest.

.Why would anyone post knowing this?

Dominic Chan   December 2nd, 2009 6:18 am ET

What Obama did was right, we need this escalation to stop extremism in Afghanistan. This is not about Al-Qaeda or the Taliban, this is about curbing extremism and not letting flow out of hand. We should have more faith in the Administration rather pose so many unwanting questions.

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 6:19 am ET

j' ca vas tres bien merci.

ckelly   December 2nd, 2009 6:23 am ET


Derk   December 2nd, 2009 6:23 am ET

"Demoralize the enemy from within by surprise, terror, sabotage, assassination. This is the war of the future. "
Adolf Hitler

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 6:25 am ET

c kelly, I asked you where you were from.

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 6:26 am ET

by the way, what is LKL?

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 6:30 am ET

............. zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz .........................

Derk   December 2nd, 2009 6:36 am ET

c kelly .... are you a John Lennon fan? If so give me a quote to end this discussion.
G'nite .......

Ron J   December 2nd, 2009 6:37 am ET


have to agree with your post further up, let the others
in the vicinity especially deal with it if they are so
brave -for a change ! it's their region.

g'nite, see y'all tomorrow hopefully.........

Chuka Herbert Nwosa   December 2nd, 2009 6:37 am ET



SSG Karol USA Retired   December 2nd, 2009 6:38 am ET

I'm prepared to train Afghan troops, if they are prepared to commit to eliminate Alquada. Where ever we send US troops, the insergents will surge. It is their oportunity to kill Americans. Other wise - pull out or it will be another draged out Viet Nam and Iraq. Veteran: RVN & OIF-III.

Bruce   December 2nd, 2009 7:56 am ET

The current Afghanistan conflict bears a striking similarity to a body infected with cancer (Taliban). The immune system (US) has been trying to rid the body of the cancer for over eight years now, but to no avail. The cancer has spread (Pakistan, Somalia etc), taken root and begun to replicate. Radical therapy has been used in an effort to assist the fight against this cancer (sanctions, increased troops, airstrikes etc), which has resulted in a reduction of the cancer, as well as damage and destruction to healthy tissues (civilians), but not it’s complete annihilation. All it takes is one cancerous cell or group of cells to remain and it will once again grow and spread. This taxes the immune system to its very last, as it tries in vain to tackle the cancer, along with other infections, at various sites in the body, even increased therapy is ineffective. Inevitably the Immune system fails to function and collapses. Some of the strongest individuals (Russia, France and the United Kingdom) have succumbed to this cancer and others like it. Conventional therapy doesn’t work, a new more modern and radical approach is required if there is to be any hope of survival. To continue to send troops is an exercise in futility, a waste of resources and most importantly life. It only serves to throw more petrol on an already out of control fire

Paulette   December 2nd, 2009 8:41 am ET

I'm amazed that nobody seems to think that the opium industry in Afghanistan is a huge part of the problem!

Legalize drugs! This has been advocated from both ends of the political spectrum. There are many reasons to take this position, but I'm only urging for this as a means to help end this stupid military action.

Opium is financing the Taliban. Take this away & they will not be able to continue.

Not only would we deprive our enemy of their financial resource, but would save an enormous amount here at home. Narcotics are subject to the same supply & demand as any other commodity, so legalization would reduce the cost on the street. I have no idea how much is spent on finding, trying & incarcerating drug offenders, but I know the amount must be astronomical!!! Together, these savings would not only help pay for the war(s), but also do much to get us out of our current financial crisis.

Why won't people even discuss this?


xyloman   December 2nd, 2009 8:44 am ET

Get out of Afghanistan and Iraq...NOW!

'Bleed for Me'
Jello Biafra

Ian Wills Price   December 2nd, 2009 9:02 am ET

Larry to send more troups to Afganistan is just another waste of lives, pull them all out and let the Afganies sort out there own problems.
let's face it America is not fighting a war against a uniformed army where you know who your enemy is, There recent elections were fraught with irregularities and America is supporting a corrupt Goverment. Protect your own BORDERS and let all those who dont want our freedom get on with it themselves

James   December 2nd, 2009 12:13 pm ET

Et voila, vous voyez. VIVE tous les personnage Francophone. Je suis né a Lille, France.


Vallary   December 2nd, 2009 12:34 pm ET

I don't agree with this at all. you want clean your own back yard first. if you look at what has happen in the country they have killed over here and it is our own that have turn against us. Fort Hood. I love when the press comes out with there were signs. WHO is watching the signs. The troops over in Iraq etc... We need our troops home and start watching the signs here

ZZ3z   December 2nd, 2009 4:29 pm ET

For me it isn't being an issue to re-arrange the relationship between Afghan people and he won't realise his dream over peace between USA and Middle-East

Thomas W   December 2nd, 2009 5:09 pm ET

I smell ANOTHER "SECRET WAR": right off the bat the reasoning for our involvement in this war is nebulous. We were left in the dark about our involvement in the last war, and now we are being led into the dark again! Unbelievable! When are we going to stop being fools?!? When are we going to stop settling for flimsy answers?!? Perhaps we are REALLY there for OIL. Perhaps we are REALLY there to channel funds into THE WAR MACHINE. Perhaps we are REALLY there to POSITION US CONTROL OF THE REGION. One thing is certain though: Obama is obviously not giving us a straight answers. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE STENCH OF OBAMA'S DECEPTION!!!!

ZZ3z   December 2nd, 2009 5:16 pm ET

It's not for blaming the now's President policy: I'm really sorry for my previous comment

Dodie   December 2nd, 2009 7:49 pm ET

James December 2nd, 2009 5:40 am ET

How many of you would form a coalition to keep Cheyney from being elected president

I am with you.... James...right next to you as we walk to stop Cheney from being anything. The draft dodger!

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