October 26, 2009

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Sweat Lodge EXCLUSIVE!

In their first interview, the family of Kirby Brown speaks out!  Brown is one of 3 people who died after being overcome during a sweat lodge ceremony at James Arthur Ray's "Spiritual Warrior" retreat in Arizona.

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joan hennessy   October 26th, 2009 8:01 pm ET

Actually I do like the show, I think they all have a good time on the show which makes me the View eee happy to watch....Keep up your good work Larry, we would all miss you if you left.... Joanie

LMB   October 26th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

None of them. Really. Even when I'm home sick and really bored.

If I wanted to hear women yelling and screaming over each other until you can't hear anything but them yelling and screaming at each other, making no sense, I would just go to my mother's house when her sisters were there, or a family reunion. Sorry. No fan of "The View".

Dodie ~ California   October 26th, 2009 8:24 pm ET

I don't watch the view. I do not care to listen to any of them.

My concern is about draining this country economically with the war in Afhganistan. This is something Bin Laden would want!

I also see this is playing right into Bin Laden's hands. There is more than one way to win a war. If you break the country economically, then that, too, is a win.

sally   October 26th, 2009 8:39 pm ET

Whoopi is my favorite...Hasselbeck my LEAST ...

MsNomerN Az   October 26th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

I heard that Ray said that these people that died had an out of body experience during the sweat lodge and they all decided not to return to their bodies because they liked the after life too much. Is this true? I think this guy is a self serving idiot that practices and espouses theories based on junk science.

John sparacio   October 26th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

A sweat lodge is a small shack, tent or hut with a roof and only fits about 8. That what are showing on TV of the sweat lodge looks like a dump heap with a tarp over it. that is not a sweat lodge and lodge is the wrong word for they are sweat huts not lodges. I guess this is the capitalist form where they can cram many in for much profit!
Sweat Lodge Construction
A sweat lodge originally was a sacred place. It was built by a Native American medicine man for healing purposes. It was used to cure all types of illnesses from physical illnesses to mental illnesses. Original sweat lodges were wrapped in significant ceremony and only practiced by tribal medicine men. Sweat lodges are universal amongst all North American Indians. In fact, the concept of the sauna is universal. The purpose was always the same.
Building a sweat lodge is a simple affair. A sweat lodge, for those that have never seen one, looks like a tent. It is dome-shaped and stands at least 5 feet (1.5 meters) high. It is made out of straight saplings that are at least 7 feet (2.1 meters) high. You need to also get heat bearing, dense (basaltic) rock and lots of wood or even charcoal. The only tool you need is a shovel to transfer the red hot rocks coming from the fire to the pit in the middle of the sweat lodge.

Raymond   October 26th, 2009 9:28 pm ET


I am a Native American and deeply appalled of the actions of James Ray who was performing rituals that are part of our Indigenous beliefs, and part of our sacred ceremonies. His disrepective acts, will not be tolerated or overlooked by many of our Indigenous Nations.
Because of him violating our religious rites, the supernatrual realm and spiritual deities did not take things lightly. There are extreme consequences should a person violate these God-given ways of our Indigneous Nations. I speak for all Indigenous Nations!

michael armstrong sr.   October 26th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

So whats Rosie Odonald doing now ?

Darin Zotigh   October 26th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

I speak for no one, only of my own experiences.
I, as a Full Blood Native American Indian, know that the Sweat Lodge and its practice is used for prayer. We go in and sacrifice our comfort zone for a few minutes at a time and pray to our Creator. The effects of the Sweat Lodge are answered prayers, healings, spiritual cleansing & renewal, and physical detoxification. It is not a "new age" novelty or "flash in the pan" but has been around for thousands of years. It was given to us by the Creator which is our Heavenly Father. It is esteemed as a sacred and yet, informal, experience. I say informal because to us it is a part of the many facets of our way of life and not to be abused. It isn't just a "religious" or "ritualistic" stoic experience. It is one of the many avenues to who we are as a praying people.
Any Native American Indian who is a Native American Indian at heart knows that you can't sell the "Sweat Lodge experience" or com- mercialize it for profit. Traditionally, you're not really even suppose to share it with the non-Indian as well. However, due to educational programs or inter-racial marriages our Sweat Lodge has been shared with others in these aspects.
There are really no formalities as far as requirements for fasting or depriving the body of water before entering into the sweat lodge that I know of. Any experienced Sweat Lodge leader knows, also, that when you have first time visitors inside the Sweat Lodge that you don't bring in a whole lot of heated rocks, you don't pour vast amounts of water onto the heated rocks, and you don’t' make new participants sit in any round too long. You want them to enjoy their experience and come back. There are four rounds, one for each direction. When in a good Sweat the Holy Spirit comes in and everyone is given a good feeling. The rocks come alive and will glow a brilliant color. Each color signifying something different. For instance, if a rock turns blue it usually means something is coming in the sky or weather related. If someone burns themself on a rock it means something in their life needs to be made right. It is my opinion and experience that each round should generally last about 10 to 12 minutes minimally, at the most, no more than 15 minutes per round. Other Tribes who may practice the Sweat Lodge may have their own set up as far as songs, fire pit, rock pit, duration of each round, and so forth. In the Sweats that I have attended or ran myself, water is encouraged to drink during a Sweat Lodge to prevent dehydration.
It is my opinion that any food or water deprivation prior to any Sweat would probably be to heighten the over-experience or to incur and attain a vision perhaps.
I have visited California before a few times and have seen some of their Pow-Wows. There are a lot of Indians out there who are clearly of Native American Indian descent and that by simply observing some of them at various Pow-wows it is obvious that they don't know who they are or anything about they're Traditional ways or traditional clothing. I understand, however, that it is not their fault due to cultural genocide. Then there are other nationalities who I have also seen in the middle of our sacred circles who I would consider "Hobbyist" or as we say in Indian country, "Wannabes".

Rick   October 26th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

I thougt they asked Sherri , is the world flat not the earth ; scientist argue whether the universe is flat or not.

Lynn Miki   October 26th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

According to the renown author, Thomas L. Friedman, the world is flat. If you haven't read this book you should. Perhaps, Sherrie was considering the question on a more economic and global scale. A question does not have to be literal.

michael armstrong sr.   October 26th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

So has Sherri ever cheated on her man

ruth christy   October 26th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Would someone please take Sherry aside and ask her to stop using the term "brain fa_t"? It's a very vulgar and unladylike term. I gave her credit for being a litte more refined.

michael armstrong sr.   October 26th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Was Sherri abused as a chiled

Mary Lavado   October 26th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Larry gives my cousin's family 15 minutes, but a whole show to The Balloon Family...James Arthur Ray must be stopped! Boycott Oprah!!!! That will stop him!

michael armstrong sr.   October 26th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Larry have you ever noticed you stand just like Ed Sullivan when your arms are crossed

Sydney   October 26th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Only in America, can you steal from an indigenous people, their spirituality...etc and get away with it, and make money on it...Also what would have happened if a Native American declined to be interviewed by the local Sheriff's Dept. after the deaths, I'm sure that would of happened, but the White, so called "spiritual leader (in his own Head)" was allowed to do so...I should know I am not "white" at all. FBI....I am going to watch to see how he is treated....

raven   October 26th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

What John sparacio said is basically correct and I agree. The media needs to stop calling that plastic toxic tent a sweat lodge. A Sweat Lodge is our church and noone has ever died. It takes prayer, a sincere heart, & willow to build one. The willow is to be gathered and bent into a dome shape before it dries. It is then covered with hides, blankets, or canvass material. NEVER PLASTIC!
This man is plastic, his tent is plastic, and people who steal Native religion for personal financial gain are just as false. This senseless tragedy is all due to a man who has no compassion or cares that his ignorance was lethal.
This family is 100% correct. My prayers are with them and all the victims. If they want to know what happened all they need to do is seek the knowledge of a Native elder. They will say the same thing.
Sweat Lodges don't kill people, greedy men kill people.
A Sweat Lodge is a wonderful safe place full of healing, power, and community. The conductor of these ceremonies should always be humble, kind, and never ask for money. Most any Native elder is willing to help others if offered tobacco in a sincere manner. A humble person always listens to the people and puts their needs before his own ego.

donnie webb   October 26th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

elisabeth hasselbeck is my favorite. the show is one sided when it comes to views. they all gang up on elisabeth.

Will   October 26th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Sherri is one of the most beautiful and talented women in show business today. Whoever is with her is a lucky man. She is a great woman and so gorgeous!

Grover   October 26th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Elisabeth is by far the best co-host. She would be even better if Barbara and Whoopie did not cut her off at almost every turn. She is nice, articulate and gorgeous, plus the other four gang up on her at every level. Why not let her fill in for you instead of Joy I'll bet she would do a much better job as an interviewer because Joy is in my opinion one of the worst. Thanks Margaret.]

Violet Hameed-Nelson   October 26th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

While watching the show about the sweat lodge disaster, I was thinking about another leader who is an accident waiting to happen. Byron Katie is an author and lecturer who claims her method can help people who are victims of incest, those who suffer from PTST, and many other maladies that clearly require the help of a mental health professional. In one of her books she outright suggested that a woman who had been a incest victim as a child, was somehow complicit in the act. Even a mentally stable person would plunge into a depression having to believe that as a child he/she could have made a better decision if he/she did not desire love. Please have her on your show, Larry!

Roy Mabe Jr.   October 26th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Elizabeth Hasselbeck is my favorite, Whoopi at times my least.

Roy Mabe Jr.   October 26th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Elisabeth Hasselbeeck is my favorite.Whoopi at times my least.

Karen GreyEyes   October 26th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

With all due respect, the sweat lodge is used by native americans and is just one part of a cleansing ceremony, This man is a fake !he's trying to replicate something that he doesn't understand and non Indians need to make sure they they are attending a ceremony that is being conducted by people who understand the language, songs, and meaning of the ceremony. I have never heard of a Native American dying in or during a sweatlodge ceremony. My condolences to the families. We would never stand by and watch somone die as he did.

Roy Mabe Jr.   October 26th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Elisabeth Hasselbeck is my favorite,Whoopi at times my least.

Louise Creager   October 26th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Love The View – Whoopie and Elizabeth are my favorites. Different sides of the coin. These ladies all give us their personal views, some we agree with some we don't, but I love the discourse, reminds me of my book group.

raven   October 26th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

Agree with Sydney! Yeah.
A white man gets away with that, but a man of color-NEVER!
But who knows what's really going on down there.
The Native people had spoken to Mr. Ray (Mr Wannabe) on several occasions, pleaded with him to stop doing these "retreats", period, but their advice fell on deaf ears. He was too busy worshipping his ONLY Creator:the greenback $$$$$
This man has no spirit, or remorse.
Guru? Really? The Secret:play Indian and make tons of money.
Woops! a dangerous way to make money. What stupidity.
Let the Creator deal with him now. Too bad it had to come to this for society to get why Indians get so angry with some white people.
Hmmmm, can you hear me now?
Well, maybe he will learn now, but will be sorry eventually for being THE EXAMPLE.
Our Heavenly Father disciplines His children just as we do.
Native ways are not toys to play with. He knew enough to know he was hurting innocent people, because he took their money in the 1st place.

raven   October 26th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

BTW Whoopie is my fave. I've always loved her, she'd make an awesome president. I like Sherri & Joy also. What great women! Love their humor. EH, not. Too whiny for me, and shows her immaturity.
Love Rosie too, she rocks. EH was abusive to her.

Riaz   October 26th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

I've never seen Sherri on the show before so this is all new to me. i think she has a great personality and would be a great candidate to sit in for Larry King on one of his off days. BTW I think she's tres hot too!!

CarmS   October 26th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

I LOVE Whoopi and Joy. I so relate to Joy 'cause I'm Italian too!! The show wouldn't be the same without them!

bigfan   October 26th, 2009 11:09 pm ET

I like the women on View, especially, Whoopy, Joy, and Sherry. But For Heaven sake, what's wrong with you tonight Sherri! that was TMI, and hitting on Larry??? you 're maybe trying to be funny, or you were nervous or something...just don't do that were talking over Larry....this is not "The View" you were being interviewed, you seemed to be overpowering Larry, that was not lady like. You are beautiful and very strong are a great role model to many in the same situation as you are, single women struggling to do it all and making it happen to their kids...More power to you and every women in your position...

I like woman with opinion, that's why I support "The View", you all are opinionated...But it's best when done in moderation...

Overall, keep up the good work...I like your faith and honesty, but a little less info, less detail next time....and don't go out on TV seeking for man to date you...your beautiful woman, you just need to believe that and have confidence...Love you! Good luck with everything you do...

Dodie ~ California   October 26th, 2009 11:50 pm ET

@ Darin Zotigh

I agree with you. I am a member... one of the California native tribes. We were called the 'diggers' because we were those who dug all the gold mines for the white people during the gold rush years. Many of our people died.
Another big issue is that this tent looked man made. In my little experience with sweats, they are made out of natural materials that breathe. I always drank special herbs heated in water before a sweat. Our sweat lodge is made from wood. Yours are most likely skins. These materials breathe. Plastic does Not! Big difference!

Frances   October 27th, 2009 12:32 am ET

My vote for the personality I like best on the View..

Whoopie Goldberg

Although I may not agree with her on everything..I feel she is basically an even minded person..(and not a loudmouth)..And like myself..She had to struggle to get where she is in life....Paying your dues along the way gives one a broader perspective on life-She has this...
***Oh and also because she had an affair with my dear
Frank Langella...Irregardless that it didn't work out
The woman has good taste!*** lol

Betty Rivera   October 27th, 2009 12:32 am ET

You folks need to be asking a Native American about a Native American sweatlodge....white people need to ask Native people before trying to do a thing like a sweatlodge, which is a part of Native spirituality, rather than trying to put on something like this's like a lay person trying to put on a catholic mass....try Russell Means...if he doesn't practice Native American Spirituality..I'd bet he'd know someone who does. There are many in this country who belong to the "Native American Church" that could be of help.

This comes from a State of Michigan Indian Outreach Worker, retired.

Kelly   October 27th, 2009 12:54 am ET

Whoopi's my all time favorite "The View" host...Elisabeth my least. I really like Sherri and I think she is very brave for being honest. Thank God someone is honest these days. We may not like everything she has done, but at least she comes clean. Phew..a breath of fresh air! Thanks Sherri and all the best to you!

Carter Camp   October 27th, 2009 12:58 am ET

I'm an Indian man who lives on the Rosebud Reservation in South Dakota. As an elder and ceremony leader I know the "protocols which one must follow in order to be qualified to run a sweat lodge, which we call an "Inipi" ceremony. Things like duration and intensity are carefully taught in order to insure saftey and a good result. Things like the size of the lodge and the number of rocks and how long they've been heated must be known from long experience and the knowledge we've been handed down through the generations.
Another thing, NEVER use plastic on a hot sweat lodge! Plastic gives off toxic fumes when heated. I believe that's what killed the people in Arizona, the fumes. We Indians always use natural fabric such as canvas, buffalo hides or blankets which allows the lodge to 'breathe' and release heat. I feel sorry for those who were taken advantage of and killed for one persons greed and ignorance of what he was doing.

Donna   October 27th, 2009 1:06 am ET

Elizabeth is my least favorite, I watched the show all the time she was gone, it was so much better flowing. Loved all the extra people filling in. I don't think people mind her being a republican, it is just her fast talking and negative attitude that gets everyone. Sherri seems to have grown since she has been on, and Elizabeth just does not.

Patricia Williams   October 27th, 2009 1:17 am ET

I certainly enjoyed Sherri Shephard on your show tonight. She is so real! Larry, please double date with her. She deserves a good man and I know the Lord will send her one and also send me one as well!
I did not know she was so funny!

Great show!

kathy haskines   October 27th, 2009 2:30 am ET

Joy Behar is my favorite as she is quite intelligent, very funny, and a real survivor. The ones I like the least are a tie with Elizabeth and Whoopi. Elizabeth talks way too fast with a rapid delivery and Whoopi appears very unfeminen and dresses like a bag lady as she knows very well that she could never compete with any of the women on the show.

carldavid   October 27th, 2009 6:03 am ET

This very beautiful woman has a dentest who is head over heels in love with her, and now with high def. tv, dentest through the world!!

Iris   October 27th, 2009 6:32 am ET

Saw Ms. Sheppards tell about her abortions and I agree with women's right to choose but really upset this is used as controceptive instead of the pill.

Would enjoy this topic to be included in one of Mr. King's shows.
"Why use abortion as birthcontrol"

Liz   October 27th, 2009 9:08 am ET

With all due respect to the Native Americans, the first part of the show was not about wether or not Ray was using a true "sweat lodge" or not, it was about how he tragically manipulates otherwise intelligent people into attending these 'new age" "holistic" retreats, and then runs away when something goes wrong! What several of you have said that is correct is if he had been anyone else, he would have been immediatly detained and probabely been locked up by now. This quack up until a few years ago, was a telemarketer! He has no true education or learning in any of this stuff that he is selling to his followers. It is a like a snake charmer. He brings them in on a free one or two hour seminar. Then the next time it is for a one day seminar that costs a couple of hundred dollars. Then next time it is for a 3 day retreat for a thousand. And the ultimate is this "Spirtual Warrior" Retreat for 5 days of Hell. By then these people are bought, hook , line and sinker. But hey, he must be good, as he is on all the talk shows, Oprah has given him her seal of approval. Even Larry King has had him on several times. Meanwhile, he is a multi-millionare. I am sure, right now he is hiding a bunch of his money in offshore accounts. Where is the accountablility?? He should be tried and convicted of 3 counts of manslaughter. The man is nothing but a modern day Jim Jones. God Bless the families of the deceased.

Jeffery Foster   October 27th, 2009 9:39 am ET

Elizabeth by far is the most intelligent and even dedicated to honesty on the show. Barbara and others shut her down and she is gracious and composed. She should compose her comments carefully and not worry about how much time she get. Hope she does well after the View. Whoopi is always funny, even when here view is nuts!

sharon   October 27th, 2009 11:42 am ET

If anyone has any questions concerning these tragic deaths, that happened at a( incorrectly called a sweat lodge.....event held by someone who knows nothing about a true sweat lodge...... please read the words of Arvol Looking Horse. He asks that people respect sacred traditions. Please do so.
I would not add anything else to his statements.
But I will be watching , as all naitve peoples are ,as to the justice to this Ray wannabe. Will anything be done to him?

geraLD   October 27th, 2009 1:37 pm ET

WAS upset Sherri laughing/talking @ her abortions...there are birth control clinics, drug stores on ev. corner..self control ...& she claims to be a good Christian ??.very of her babies could have found a cure for cancer,etc, been a great musician, a great stateman, ven Pres of the US..we've lost all these fetuses..may they RIP..

Dodie ~ California   October 27th, 2009 1:56 pm ET

@ Liz

OK... if you are not interested in our traditions that is your choice......

I can tell you the real problem here.
These people are lost! They were either completely out of touch with their bodies, or they lost the ability to be independent thinkers, and followed this man like sheep. They were vulnerable and unable to decide for themselves.

That is very dangerous and I see that happening more in this country than ever before. More and more Americans seem to lack the 'responsibility' to take care of themselves or others. Its very sad but true!

joanne   October 27th, 2009 7:20 pm ET

my heart broke when I heard of her abortions ..& now she's laughing all the way to the bank. ..

Roy Mabe Jr.   October 27th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

If you are not interested in having a child, give it away,but don't abort.Abortion should be declared illegal in this country except in cases of rape and incest.

Kelly   October 28th, 2009 12:07 am ET

Abortion should not be illegal..I do not agree with it, but it's better than going to back room abortions...let's not put women in the dark ages again..that didn't work so great...Roy Mabe Jr. must be a man.

joey   October 28th, 2009 12:38 am ET

laughing, smiling, gloating over one's many or a few abortions on national TV is wrong & not classy..these thoughts should be discussed @ the kitchen table..this is called "graveyard talk" the Delaney sisters talked about this in their books..certain subjects should be kept private ....

Kelly   October 28th, 2009 12:45 am ET

Totally disagree..the more EDUCATED young women are, the less likely they are to find themselves in an unfortunate situation. Often times, the men run so far away from an unexpected pregnancy, that women are left with everything to deal with. If you don't want to hear about it, turn the channel. If you had listened to anything Sherri Sheppard had said, you would have heard loud and clear how guilty and ashamed she felt. If more women hear this, the less likely abortion will be an option for them or even necessary. Do you have any idea how a woman feels when faced with an unexpected's isolating and frightening! There's nothing funny about it, but often times that is how we deal with scary stuff...I don't know ONE person who doesn't. Get Real.

Randaal Cooon   October 28th, 2009 2:35 am ET

Whoopi Goldberg is my favorite character on the View because she is not afraid to tel things the way she really sees them.

Liz   October 29th, 2009 10:55 am ET

Dodie ~
You oviously have not listened to any of the survivors of the so called "spiritual warrior' fiasco, Ray would not allow any of the participants out of the tent. If you would have listened to what Ginny Brown stated, one needs to look at the entire 5 days, and what took place during the fast as well as what was going on in the tent (notice I am not referring to it as as a sweat lodge)
These were intelligent people, the one survivor states most of them were "over achievers", healthy,athletic people.
Please do not start blaming the victims, one of them is a relative of mine, and none of them deserved what this criminal gave them.

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