September 1, 2009

Jackson Dad Dubbed 'Clueless'

Posted: 10:40 AM ET

From Boston Herald

The father of departed pop superstar Michael Jackson was dubbed “Clueless” Joe Jackson yesterday after he gave an interview to NBC’s “Today” show denying that he knew his son took drugs.

Speaking for the first time since authorities ruled the King of Pop’s June 25 death a homicide, Jackson, 80, said, “I’m not angry, I’m mad. Because I didn’t know all this was going on.”art.jackson.lkl.cnn

And now, he says, his family “wants justice to be done.”

“I keep thinking, I just can’t believe this happened to him,” Joe told “Today” in an interview taped on Saturday – what would have been Michael’s 51st birthday – and aired yesterday.

“I’m fine, I’m just still grieving over my son’s loss, because he was the greatest all over the world. And I’m proud of that.”

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Latrice   September 1st, 2009 10:56 am ET

Okay so now that they have exhausted the Wacko Jacko mess, they want to start the Clueless Joe name calling. Sorry, but I won't be playing along.

Then media are sick, degeneratived people. The title seeks to downplay the importance of what Joe was saying about Micheal's death.

Larry King stop posting these articles that dp nothing but recycle old rumors and gossip and then try to bash family members.

Doesn't CNN have their own reporters who can come up with FACTUAL articles without relying on tabloids and blogs?

lex   September 1st, 2009 11:07 am ET

leave the jacksons alone damn joe is 80 years old jus move on already im sick of the "whos mj's kids dad mess" michael is thr father no matter wat and if he isnt thn who cares he raised those children like his own all these suppose friends of mj jus want money

Cali MJ Fan   September 1st, 2009 11:11 am ET

I think it is ridiuclous to believe that Joseph was "clueless" about Michael's taking drugs. Michael's family was well aware– either firsthand, if the reports of the attempts at interventions are to be believed (which I do), or through the numerous reports the family repeatedly denied on Michael's behalf.

"Where there is smoke, there is fire."

At least Joseph gave a better interview than some of those in the recent past– until of course they asked him about how often he sees Michael's children... when all bets were off and the interview concluded.

I agree that everyone involved should be legally punished for whatever their role in Michael's death– pharmacies, doctors, handlers, enablers – but appropriately punished, according to their actual role. Sadly, there is not a morale law to punish some for the emotional abuse Michael was hammered with.

And for heavens sakes... truly it is ridiculous that people are still reporting information about the paternity of Michael's children. Michael was their father and Debbie the mother of Prince and Paris. Prince II lost his only parent... Michael.

Protect these children from the need to know everything about Michael!

Even as stated in the NBC's interview segment... Michael's children watch TV, they are on the internet. THEY CAN SEE the things that are being said. When will the media take it up a few notches and STOP reporting on that particular topic?!? That one alone should be off limits!

Janice   September 1st, 2009 11:27 am ET

Joe did not say that he was not aware of drugs at all. He said he was not aware of Michael using Propofol. He said it was the first time he ever heard of that drug. I think that is true for most of America as I am sure he did not announce to his parents or anyone in his family that he was being sedated the past six weeks to get to sleep.

It's interesting ho the media will always twist things around to serve their sensationalism.

MaryRM   September 1st, 2009 11:31 am ET

Regardless of whether or not the family knew about Michael's diprivan use, respect for a man mourning the death of his son needs to be shown. this is the worst thing that can happen to a person, regardless of who they are.

The insistence of the family about foul play; it is disturbing. Is it just lashing out in grief or something else? If this diprivan diluted was actually diprivan pure, it would ask the question who switched vials. I hope they have the actual vial that was used to test. Regardless of how this happened or who did what, I hope and pray the the actual truth gets known because Michael's life never was given much truth by society.

mariau   September 1st, 2009 11:31 am ET

i agree that anyone should take their responsibilities and take their punishment. JOE we will support you as well as we support Michael.
JOE said it before that he knew something was very wrong on MJ's death.. GO JOE dig deeper.. i know you are strong man and my heart goes out with you and your family..
may God bless you JOE...

Brigida, Italy   September 1st, 2009 11:39 am ET

media will stop when there's nothing to get. But still there is people claiming lies and since people like Joe Jackson every week change their stories... he denied also that he ever beated his kids. What's about the raid of Michael's siblings to Neverland? They knew very well about the health and the problems of their brother. And so Joe didn't?
Oh please!
Why do you blame certain tabloids? They lived decades from those things and now certainly they will not stop since they find people trying to make one more dollar or get their 5 minutes.

It is sad but this will still go on for long time. But I don't give up hoping, that shortly sometihing will change. Good news have to come up!

Otherwise I fear for Michaels children as I wrote several times. Think that they one day have to leave US and hide in another country like their father had to do often. I'm not interested about what the hole Jackson family does, they knew almost what they have (or not have) done. But the kids are innocent and deserve a life away from all this garbage! And that is what I'm praying for!

Mara   September 1st, 2009 11:40 am ET

Good lord here we go again...

Good Morning mariau, lex have a great day!

Brigida, Italy   September 1st, 2009 11:46 am ET

Ok, so thanks to Janice... I didn't understand the article, thought my english was better :/
But my thoughts about the family don't change that much. It's a story from long ago and not from this days.

lex   September 1st, 2009 11:47 am ET

hey mara yea im getting sick of the media

Anthony   September 1st, 2009 11:47 am ET

I saw the interview and from my point of view it seems that Joe Jackson said that he didn't know that Michael was taking Propofol.

Lisa S   September 1st, 2009 12:05 pm ET

I am not supriced Joe was clueless...he didnt understand or know his son at all.

Cant believe that they asked Culkin about his sperms :-S

They might never ever know the background of Blanket but the older two we will know eventually. I'm sure about that.

Pam   September 1st, 2009 12:19 pm ET

I think Palin got it right, when she said in response to Letterman, "Kids and family members should be off limits from media scrutiny and crude remarks" – Please leave MJ's children alone

Marmoura   September 1st, 2009 12:24 pm ET

Leave them alone!

Gene   September 1st, 2009 12:27 pm ET

Hi s. Good mornings to all you into here. Thiese COLUMBO SCOOL FOR TIE UP THIESE LOOSE ENDS is to offically openeing now. I am to thinking here now medias they are to be going too far for blameing MJ freind for donor. why is so important we haveing to kow who is father. MJ IS CHILDRENS FATHER! He is raizeing. he is protect. he is to feedeing them. I am to thinking here if MJ wanteing us to kow who is real thiese father or fake thiese fathers he is to be telleing onto us. mabye. not our true busness to be kowing. MORE IMPORANT TO KOWING. WHO IS TO TAKEING MJ LIFE.OK. I am to haveing 2 3 theoreys. line ot thiese bottom dcotor did not to do thiese into MJ like every day things. MJ owed lot of moenys to many thiese peoples and few peoples haveing veadetta. few peoples they haveing thiese moenys rides onto MJ for big concerts. showeing beacuse dcotor liers abuot time lines. he liers about oter drugs he giveing to MJ befroe. he liers abuot phone. I am kow. I am to sayeing tiese befroe. truth. if notig wrong why is he haveing to lie. why. makeing more troubles then run way. lookeing something gulty going on.

Helen Sanders   September 1st, 2009 12:30 pm ET

They should just lay Michael to rest. They knew Michael had a problem. Its sad that so many people gave into Michael, but they are to be blame, because they gave the drugs to him. These doctors are just as much to be blamed.

Cali MJ Fan   September 1st, 2009 12:31 pm ET

Just in case the link is removed.... google search

crocked doc won't say if he gave drugs to jax
ny daily news Feb 09, 2000

Kara   September 1st, 2009 12:33 pm ET

Who keeps letting Joe Jackson speak? This guy is full of horse pucky and everyone needs to stop allowing him to provide worthless crap to the media and public. He is worse than the media in spreading rumors.

Jacquelyn   September 1st, 2009 12:34 pm ET

Joe is not clueless, he is smart. He will not let you dumb reporters know anything and that is why you all are upset right. And Culkin is not the father of Blanket. I see you all just trying to make up stories now. Pathetic.

Jacquelyn   September 1st, 2009 12:35 pm ET

Joe dont need to do anything. You wasnt telling the media to shut up when they was spreading lies about Michael.

Gene   September 1st, 2009 12:36 pm ET

Sorry. mabye there is to be hopes. I am to readeing today abuot scum guy who is to harasseing model women. he goes to thiese jails now over 50 years. he never to kills to nobody so hopeing dcotor getteing same fates wosrer beauce he is to takeing MJ lives.

Lisa S   September 1st, 2009 12:39 pm ET

I dont know why Joe and Jermanie keeps going out in media and talk about Michael Jackson when they doesnt seem to know anything about him,

It was interesting though that Joe seems to stick to his story about that it is not the doctors but somebody else that killed his son.

I dont understand why he feels a need to go out and do interviews. He should do what his wife and daughters are doing, focusing on the family and on being a grandmother. His interviews doesnt ad anything to the family image.

Jacquelyn   September 1st, 2009 12:45 pm ET

It doesnt matter. Joe can say what he wants to. Just like the media can. After all it was Joe and Latoya that said foul play was involved and some of you didnt believe them. But look at it now. It was a homicide.

Diane in Minneapolis   September 1st, 2009 12:47 pm ET

Sorry to give you that news.

Thought it would be best to hear it from a fellow MJ fan.

Jacquelyn   September 1st, 2009 12:47 pm ET


The LAPD didnt seem at all interested in solving this case at all.

Cali MJ Fan   September 1st, 2009 12:50 pm ET


I'm not clear about your comments to me. I'm not a Joe Jackson fan and don't believe anything that comes out of his mouth. I also don't believe Jermaine or the family saying they didn't know about his drug use. Keep in mind too that Dr. Steven Hoefflin is reported as a good friend of the Jackson family. He's a plastic surgeon that Michael went to for years. So he's speaking out in UK papers saying he's talking with permission from Katherine. Again, it just adds up that the family was truly aware of some of the problems Michael had. Blind in not wanting to believe it – maybe – but they knew.

I didn't mention any tabloids– I think all media should call a moratorium on any reports having to do with the paternity of Michael's children- period.

There should be more reputable journalistic investigation into the stories coming out about Michael, instead of just repeating some UK gossip rubbish– such as the latest story about Culkin's being Prince II's father. Looking at the child, it is clear there's no possibility of that. If one makes up a story, it would be closer to believe (by looks) possibly Prince I or Paris'.... but Prince II? No way. So why anyone passed that off as a story is beyond me.

Si grazie bella

Cali MJ Fan   September 1st, 2009 12:56 pm ET

@Diane... either they are slow on the uptake or a few marbles short of a game– but the second the news cameras posted outside of his Holmby Hills home that Saturday started showing the moving vans... anyone who knows police methods knew "tainted crime scene" would follow. LOL I'm just surprised it has taken *this* long for it to become a story.

LAPD will have to get other evidence coupled with Murray's own testimony to have any chance at a possible conviction. Remember, the mafia was taken down by mail fraud– so expect there will be other charges if they can't pin a Murder Two/Manslaughter charge against Murray.

Reports are, Murray's expected to say that Michael himself changed the dosage on the drip while Murray wasn't looking/in the room– and that is how he got a 'lethal dosage' of Propofol. Phoooey!

mariau   September 1st, 2009 12:59 pm ET

of course Joe still MJ's father.. and Jermaine still his brother.. so what's wrong if they still keep on talking..
look ... why those Morons "so called friends of MJ keep talking all his negatives"

of course Joe will never stop talking until he never find justice for Michael.. what's wrong with you people???

please let Joe do his part as MJ's father.. and not too late to show MJ that Joe love him so much.. we all know Joe stories about being so strict to Michael and how he disciplined MJ.. but.. it won't stop the truth that Joe will ever and forever be his father..
people can changes as well as Joe.. and this is his right time to correct all his mistakes.. and to show his compassion to MJ..

what's wrong with that??????

Lisa S   September 1st, 2009 1:00 pm ET

Diane in Minneapolis

I ve always wondered what Latoya was doing bursting into a place that might be a crime scenery.

Lisa S   September 1st, 2009 1:05 pm ET

mariau September 1st, 2009 12:59 pm ET

Well, I think they should have choosen another spokesperson...
My biggest respect for Janet who do not figure in media at all.

Diane in Minneapolis   September 1st, 2009 1:05 pm ET

Cali –

Yes I agree. I saw someone say on TV that Murray might actually claim that everything was fine and he walked away and then Michael "reached up and adjusted the drip" to a higher dosage. Yikes! Time of death and the the 47 minutes of phone calls prior to 911 will help their case, however.

Also I saw a comment that even if LAPD had wanted to go in and secure the scene right away – they legally couldn't do it because he was still alive when the ambulance took him. After he was pronounced dead a few hours later – it wasn't a "suspicious" death but a cardiac arrest so they still couldn't legally secure the scene. It is so terrible.

b   September 1st, 2009 1:07 pm ET

Joe said he didn't know Michael took Propofol. Whatever he say or the Jackson's say, they are been blamed and judged.
I believe Michael is the father of his kids. And even if he is not, It is not for us to know who their bio parents are. It is a private matter. If they don't want to share it, we have to respect it. How do we know if Jackson's don't know? Or the kids don't know? It is devastating media is never letting go this issue. We are talking about little kids, who are dealing with the loss of the ONLY parent they had. Please stop creating confusion in their minds.

Jacquelyn   September 1st, 2009 1:11 pm ET

Lisa S

I dont think Janet feel anything for the media. She is in the same boat as Michael. Even if she said something, they will discredit her.

Latoya and her family had every right to go into Michael's house they are his family. It was the LAPD fault that they didnt secure the place. Anyone that have a death in the family will go to the love ones house and collect their belongings.

Lisa S   September 1st, 2009 1:21 pm ET


That is what i mean. She Janet keeps her distance and that is according to me the best thing to do in this situation and that is according to me showing who is making smart decisions and who is not.

When it comes to going into houses or not, it doesnt depend on whether you are family or not. It is not only when it is a matter of a crime scene that family should not walk in an ruin evidence. It can be a matter of wills and properties. How would it look like if some family members went in and took things before the court had decided what goes to whom?

It doesnt work like that. You write a will or a testament and then a judge decides who gets what.

Michael was 50, dont forget that. He was not "little michael" anymore. A mother and father and sister do not own the son.

But they might have ruined things for them selves. They might have erased fingerprints, taking important evidence material and by that made it impossible for the judge to charge anybody.

Cali MJ Fan   September 1st, 2009 1:25 pm ET

@ Diane...

Yes, LAPD will have a way around the fact that they didn't secure the scene until later.

Jun 27th
Saturday morning: Atlas moving vans appear at Michael's Holmby Hills home
Saturday afternoon: Murray is interviewed by LAPD.
Saturday late afternoon: Winters says autospy completed– toxicology to take 4-6 weeks.

At the point that Murray is interviewed, we now know that LAPD knew of Propofol. And close enough in time to test for it in the tox screens. It is also now known there were IV bags, equip etc in Michael's room, and claims of lividity had set in Michael's body (a visual suspicion to UCLA docs?). Search warrant obtained and Winters back to Michael's home Monday 29th.

question the claim he was still alive in the ambulance. Heart attack yes– but listen again to Jermaine's announcmeent at UCLA. He used a 'clarifier' in there before "cardiac arrest'... They knew right then and there something happened.

LAPD will get around it by saying they didn't know of Propofol until Murray mentioned it in the interview– since he never told Medics/UCLA about administering it. Let's just hope this is why they have taken soooo long in their investigation.

Have a great day!

Diane in Minneapolis   September 1st, 2009 1:25 pm ET

Jaquelyn –

That's right. When regular citizens get taken to the hospital by paramedics doing CPR – the cops aren't legally allowed to stay at their house and secure it. The same law applies to celebs. Then if that regular citizen dies of a heart attack at the hospital – the family usually goes to their house. None of this was legally actionable by the cops until they had word that the death was "suspicious" and then they could get a warrant.

Even if the cops thought something fishy was going on they had to wait for a legal reason to act or they might get in trouble.

mariau   September 1st, 2009 1:26 pm ET

Lisa S.. as you see, people coming forward to reveal something true or false and no evidence to prove that they were not lying to the media.
everyone proclaiming that they were friends of MJ, but for the sake of we dont know.. Joe leave him alone for long time.. that's why MJ had lots of Morons friends.. to come over him and used him.. like Tohme or other user..
but in own opinion if Joe persisted to intervene with Michael, i guess this wont happen to him.. Can't you see.. after Joe leave Michael to his life.. what happened to him??? there's lot of devilish people to manipulate and used MJ.... because Joe wasn't around...
but i guess.. if Joe was around with Michael.. of course they will hesitae to be near with MJ..
look what Happened to MJ???? Joe is his father.. he had all the rights.. not anyone or anybody in this earth..
Joe knew his son very well, he knew MJ was so sensitive and very naive... it's father's instinct...

Gene   September 1st, 2009 1:27 pm ET

I am to thinking agian here. funny. why thiese secerty peoples to allow MJ family to comeing into home after he is death. they not allow them comeing into home when he live. still to makeing no diifrances. dcotor not telleing truths. cover ups. police they and thiese coroner they do going to MJ home right after hopistal. they are to findeing bootle thiese drugs you kow they are to takeing piture day 1 befroe warrant to be serveing. oter things when police they takling to dcotor into thiese hopsital they haveing devise to makeing recordeings what he is to sayeing from his owen mouths. ----dcotor sayeing liers. he is to runneing away. coroner and police they are to findeing propnl into dcotor bags.----I am aslo to thinking here you seeing thiese bottle propnol? yes. no. some haveing 25 MG. oter haveing 100MG. what is thiese dcotor to sayeing he giveing MJ 25 MG from bottle or does he giveing him 100MG but 25 MG into needel from 100MG bottle or was it to be 25 CC from thiese 100MG or 50 MG bottle. he asleo sayein he dulute thiese propnol with thiese oter how you sayeing lidocane. understandeing.. you never be to kow mabye latoy she is to takeing piture with camera vidoes. they not to be put oter things into there NO. stupid thiese thinkings. police will to be findeing finger print onto thiese bottles.

Diane in Minneapolis   September 1st, 2009 1:31 pm ET

Regardless of these events though – they still have key evidence regarding the time of death, the 47 minutes of cell phone prior to calling 911, and they still have to talk with the body guard who was also there. Hopefully they still have enough to do something even if the crime scene was tainted. I feel bad that some of MJ's money and jewelry ( $1 million) disappeared. Disgraceful.

*TRIXIE BBY*   September 1st, 2009 1:35 pm ET


Diane in Minneapolis   September 1st, 2009 1:39 pm ET

Mariau –

Do you think Joe would have approved of......THE GOLD PANTS ?! :))

(Just a little joke for you in here.)

Lisa S   September 1st, 2009 1:40 pm ET

mariau September 1st, 2009 1:26 pm ET

Yes, some information will be found false and som will be found true.
However, to accept the information that goes along with ones belief and refuse information that speaks against ones belief, is not really being openminded.

mariau   September 1st, 2009 1:45 pm ET

Dianne - oooh yes... he will approved it.. 100% 🙂 🙂

Lisa s.. – but whatever happened still your Family will be there for any reason at all... 🙂

Lisa S   September 1st, 2009 1:47 pm ET

mariau September 1st, 2009 1:45 pm ET

Hopefully, but it is nothing you can take for granted.

Diane in Minneapolis   September 1st, 2009 1:47 pm ET

Mariau –

I knew I could get you on that one!
You are so funny!


Brigida, Italy   September 1st, 2009 1:51 pm ET

dear cali, I quoted some part of your comment and then went ahead.

Sorry, I better do not quote anyone here on the blogs 🙂
My problem is, it takes sooooo long, since I read all the comments and english is not my language, so it takes longer than normal. Also, when I write a commen, it takes even longer so I found many others news. Sometimes I go away from computer, doing anything else and when I return.... there are other hundred comments around. It's almost becoming a job staying with you 😉

Ladies (and Gene!) your last comment made me feel bad. But somehow we could expect it, we knew that the family putted the house upside down after Michaels death 🙁

mariau   September 1st, 2009 1:55 pm ET

lisa s- for me what matters most is to resolve MJ's death and about his family... why not? give a chance to Joe..

Susan   September 1st, 2009 1:58 pm ET

The media abuse against Michael continues. Michael Jackson was essentially, euthanized. Does anybody care? Does the media wish to continue to report on this as if it was Michael Jackson's fault? He didn't ask for that! He wanted medical professionals to care for him. He deferred to them for advice and to keep him safe.The diversion of the facts is alarming. I am infuriated and also frightened at the control we the public are under by the media machine. I will defend Michael by whatever means is available to me. CNN and Larry King, please address the facts of this homicide and do not point the finger at the victim. We can't just assume the homicide was an accident either. All possibilities need to be explored. Again I say, does anybody on the network care to address the fact that Michael Jackson, a human being, was essentially, euthanized ?

Diane in Minneapolis   September 1st, 2009 1:58 pm ET

He knew EXACTLY what he was doing with the GOLD PANTS! Uh oh – I bet Stu has long range radar and will come running because GOLD PANTS have been mentioned ! 🙂

mariau   September 1st, 2009 2:01 pm ET

Dianne – we need some break oh my gossh... 🙂 🙂

Lisa s- i know you, you are smart and intelligent but sometimes need to open up your heart to Joe... give him chance 🙂 🙂 🙂

Lisa S   September 1st, 2009 2:01 pm ET

mariau September 1st, 2009 1:55 pm ET

What do you mean "give him a chance"? His chances in life has very little to do with me 🙂

I mainly feel sorry for Joe Jackson.

mariau   September 1st, 2009 2:03 pm ET

Dianne - i couldn't believe myself last night i'm dreaming this gold pants.. 🙂 🙂 and my boyfriend left me when he saw me i'm watching this gold pants over and over again.. hahahahahah 🙂 🙂

lex   September 1st, 2009 2:06 pm ET

here we go with the gold pants again lmfao

mariau   September 1st, 2009 2:11 pm ET

lex – this blog is too hot so we need a break.. let's enjoy watching this gold pants.. 🙂 🙂

lisa s.- about Joe... let Joe do his part this time.. 🙂 🙂 🙂

mariau   September 1st, 2009 2:12 pm ET

: ) 🙂

lex – this blog is too hot so we need a break.. let's enjoy watching this gold pants.. 🙂 🙂

lisa s.- about Joe... let Joe do his part this time.. 🙂 🙂 🙂

lex   September 1st, 2009 2:12 pm ET

lol gold pants time

mariau   September 1st, 2009 2:13 pm ET

where is everybody????

mariau   September 1st, 2009 2:17 pm ET

i'll bet you guys.. tomorrow Cnn will put blogs.. about MJ
really gay.. last night we posted all this video and look what happened today.. this topic– how little we knew – Michael Jackson.. 🙂

LARRY – please Michael is sexy man... not a gay... please Larry watch this video of MJ and for sure you will see the truth about him.. 🙂

Brigida, Italy   September 1st, 2009 2:18 pm ET

Would you pleeeeeaaaasse stop it with the gold pants! I'm already smoking too much 😀

Calling the famous Columbo School and MJCSI...
Where does the fact come, that Murray carried Michael in his room after death? Because you say he had an aid from someone. Did he really? If Michael had so low weight he could take him alone and THEN call the security-man. So there was noone else to know the secret of the early death. Don't think that a security-man without medical knowledge could see the difference if he was called only to do the 911-call. Otherwhise Murray had to fear if this man spoke with the police and could tell the truth.
It's only an idea. I cannot see our TV, only CNN international so I miss almost all the other reports coming out and you may have seen/heard.

Gene   September 1st, 2009 2:19 pm ET

Answer to lex. thankeing to you. I am to sayeing same things gold pants agian! I am not to sayeing noting now. I canot to makeing comments. MJ he is danceing good like rubberband man. ----susan she is sayeing truth thiese words same like lethal enject. yes. ---please. you not to listeneing to all what media sayeing! you thinking MJ family is thiese stuipd peoples to toucehing thiese things? I am not to thinking so. NO! they are to be more smarter than thiese! you thinkig they going round with thiese same drugs into themselfs pockets. NO. they are to takeing his clotes things from thiese closet. you are to kow secerty is to be there. somebody is ot be there oter wise it is calleing break and to enter. not make diffarnce if it is family. if no key meaning to break and enter so secerty letting them to comeing in. mabye thome. mabye deleio. you never to kow.

mariau   September 1st, 2009 2:22 pm ET

gene - every time you made me smile.. ilike you so much.. be cool 🙂 🙂

Brigida, Italy   September 1st, 2009 2:28 pm ET

Now I have to quote:
Again I say, does anybody on the network care to address the fact that Michael Jackson, a human being, was essentially, euthanized ?
I'm really not sure if I understood that. But if, I remember that somebody talked about something like: MJ was to ill to do the concerts and perhaps the organisation thought that a dead Michael before was better than a collapsed one during them.

But this doesn't add up with those who said, he was healthy. Also the Coroner seems had said something like that. Or Murray (and other "doctors") gave him too much medications/drugs and for too much time. So he lost control over it and THEN "somebody" told him it would be better if....

Now, I feel very bad 🙁

lex   September 1st, 2009 2:30 pm ET

i think mj was healthy yea he was skinny but michael was always a skinny man

mariau   September 1st, 2009 2:37 pm ET

Brigida italy – MJ was passed medical exam in UK to do his concert, and to think that MJ wouldn't accept to do at least 10 concerts if he wasn't healthy enough.. the problem here MJ had insomia and that's why he was enabled to took sleeping drugs..
i remember Mj was too frail after his case and made him so weak with lots of stress and pressured..
but.. when he decided to do his concert ... his was good enough to come back..

Gene   September 1st, 2009 2:44 pm ET

Ok. scool is openeing. one things thiese best secertys people do is they must to haveing CPR traineing! this is must for thiese type of job. YES! -–if dcotor needeing some body to carry unto Mj to oter rooms. NO. I am not to thinking so! you haveing to remeber dcotor never to sayeing 1 words to any one about death to almost 12 :20pm. . you kow if he is sayeing something somebody going to runneing to police fastely. Ok. longshots here. mabye dcotor moveing MJ to oter room beacuse so not letteing oters to seeing what is there IV poles drugs. needels. oxegyns. ----my own selves to thinking secerty man alveraz he is to kowing what is to going on. he kows all. seeing many thing. BUT I am not thinking that day he is to kowing what is to be going on. I am not to thinking MJ in oter room. no. into his own room. ---–this things is to be planned yes somebody esle into envole. how can it to be alveraz he goes to UK. he work ? whay not oter gards where they be going to?

mariau   September 1st, 2009 2:55 pm ET

gene – i guess, MJ was dead 4 hours ago before Murray called 911
there's possibility that within 4 hours he did something to cover up all the evidence.. and one thing for sure that MJ's body was moved into different direction. the guy alvarez went to Murray after 4 hours.. and that time they called 911.. if Alvarez saw something he just saw it after Murray cleaned up his mess and cleared all the evidence.. my only hunch..

Brigida, Italy   September 1st, 2009 3:05 pm ET

Ok, my computer crashed down. Too much bad thoughts perhaps...

Mariau, I know about the medical exams and he was able to do the concerts.
BUT, after this maybe stress grew up and his sleeping problems also and he started again with the medications. I never believe that he wanted those very hard drugs from the beginning but if Klein teached Murray to do so, anything could be. And then things went very wrong and it was too late.

Gene, I also know some security and their preparation. BUT perhaps Alvarez wasn't there when Murray brought Michael in his bedroom (from doctor's room) He came only for this 911-call and perhaps THEN he understood what was going on. So he maybe decided to go to UK, being afraid of the police interrogation and get more trouble. We don't know much about this Alvarez? I remember something about a sister working also in this circle? Help me please, I'm lost 🙂

Brigida, Italy   September 1st, 2009 3:07 pm ET

I saw your comment right now (taking too much time for writing mine) and you said it better than me. 🙂

Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 1st, 2009 3:07 pm ET

It could well be Joe stumbled behind the rest of the family regarding intelligence about his son's state, but the rest of the family knew.

Come on!

Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 1st, 2009 3:28 pm ET

Wow, I thought I drop by for a second, not anticipating I would bump into tainted evidence.

Everything depresses me...justice will not be done fully, my gut feeling says. We all could in be for a major disappointment. I hope I am wrong.

Thalia   September 1st, 2009 3:46 pm ET

I don't think the rest of the family knew about the Propofol either. I don't think Joe was the only one he kept it from.

jacqueline from holland   September 1st, 2009 4:02 pm ET

eli what you are saying i hope not but when you read the media aboutthe lapd and that teh evidence was tintid
i hope that evryting turn out for the best ,and that dr death dont get away
whit a slap on the wris t[i hope i say it wright] w we want justice

jacqueline from holland   September 1st, 2009 4:04 pm ET


Pren   September 1st, 2009 4:07 pm ET

The only clueless people I know are the stupid media. Joe is actually a very smart man-get with it tabloids! Calling him clueless is just ignorance.
As for Culkin...that is just too ridiculous to even answer.
So, wonderful tabloids...who is the next father of MJ'S children, Prince Charles or perhaps Spongebob?

Gene   September 1st, 2009 4:15 pm ET

Answer to brigida. YES! this is what I am to teyeing to sayeing. I am too sorry I am haveing thiese stroke 10 month agao and I am polish born. so hard for me to be explaineing thiese informatonals. only time alveraz is goeing into MJ bedroom is when to calleing 911. yes. ----- I am not to readeing into TMZ. they haveing now piture of MJ home to Las Vegas. package hes things for moveing to Los Angeles. I am to thinking this is funny. MJ was to leaseing thiese home into Las Vegas. why he needeing 2 homes at same times to leaseing? then he going to UK if he was not to death. this is workeing of thome. yes. you can to seeing thiese wood beam for to useing onto real esate sign in thiese front of home. why they haveing MJ piture onto post on wall? thome he haveing thiese ocntrols on thiese things. mabye now esate attonreys haveing it now.

mariau   September 1st, 2009 4:21 pm ET


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 1st, 2009 4:35 pm ET


The Bible says G-d lets it rain over both the good and the bad. Michael will get his justice from G-d, but I doubt he will get it from the authorities.

Lora Ottawa Canada   September 1st, 2009 4:38 pm ET

Hi All,


dont tell me this NBC video is for real.........the LAPD dont know their own ass from a hole in the ground.........

Lora Ottawa Canada   September 1st, 2009 4:39 pm ET


IM starting to think the same thing....the LAPD will not do anything.....I surely hope I am wrong on this one!

Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 1st, 2009 4:39 pm ET

Hoi Jacqueline, alles goed?? 🙂

Gene   September 1st, 2009 4:41 pm ET

I am to seeing bug is back agian. Joe Jackson is not thiese bad men. NO! if he whips MJ and oter brother that is way it was back in olden days. my father he is to whippeing me same things with thiese belt. not all thiese times 1 2 times. not to makeing me maddeneing. MJ father he kowing how to be workeing onto thiese medias. if he is to sayeing abuot oter man omer ok. he makeing not jokey. he is tryeing to say MJ took care of thiese omer like hes owen son nothing to be wrong with that. like why not so what who is careing. -----NO! lapd canot to sayeing something esle is going to be hapeneing. DA haveing enoughs thiese prove to go head beacuse dcotor never telleing truth onto day 1. this is not oh I makeing mistakes and he tells to police fastely. No he do not! he wasteing times. calleing oter peoples. makeing lie to EMT. makeing lie to hopsital then run off. I wanteing to kow who helpeing him to run off? he is not catceing bus. dcotor leaveing his bag. haveing propnol into there. nobody fooling round with room. I am not thinking so.

Luda   September 1st, 2009 4:42 pm ET

Bridgida: somebody talked about something like: MJ was to ill to do the concerts and perhaps the organisation thought that a dead Michael before was better than a collapsed one during them.

IT'S NOT a reason to kill !

IT'S NOT a right to kill !

Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 1st, 2009 4:42 pm ET


I do believe Murray will get some penalty, one way or the other, because it is clear he never should have given all those sedatives and on top of it propofol. But how it will be qualified I don't know. I am more worried about Klein, Metzger, AEG, Sony, Tohme Tohme and G-d knows who else.

Lisa S   September 1st, 2009 4:46 pm ET

Truth might come but will we accept the truth? Even if it is not the truth we want to hear?

Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 1st, 2009 4:50 pm ET

Lisa S, there is my girl ! 🙂

What kind of thruth you are thinking of ? 🙂

I am prepared to have the bucket full with sedatives thrown all over me, but will the rest?

I am not sure the bottom stone will come on top though.

Anthony   September 1st, 2009 5:02 pm ET

Wow!! I found a bombshell. Someone posted on TMZ that James Debarge did an interview with one of those English tabloids stating that Michael had deep mental issues. I haven't found that interview but I did find this about Janet and LaToya Jackson. I did not write this.


When Janet had it like that she ran behind pretty boys supporting their extravagant taste and was taken for a ride. She also got use to the high life. If you noticed Janet and Latoya got close to people who were a part of there careers, like managers, on the streets we called them panders and pimps, people who promise you the world but are all for self, you remember Jack Gordon, he had Latoya doing porn and took her for everything, now we have Jermaine Dupri and Janet, but do you remember Rene Elizondo and the millions he raked in for taking photos and keeping secrets? Jermaine is no different he cash in on the milking cow and now she is used up. So many sad stories! But Janet had a good run.

Jermaine Dupri personally I underestimated, with his cross dressing and homo acts I took him as a homosexual, but he turned out to be a slick businessman also and Janet being in the business as long as she has been could be called simply dumb, but we will go with green to street smarts.

First if you remember in 2004 I believe Janet experienced the nipple-gate at the Super Bowl and I blamed Justin Timberlake who later told me he was setup and it was planned. I remember on the news that day Jermaine Dupri describe it as sexy with a smile on his face. Red flags should have sky rocketed but I underestimated him. Janet never recovered from that event. Then he produced album after album that were flops and a tour that was not anything it was supposed to be, now the once her men’s supporter depends on an ugly midget to try to maintain her lifestyle without family support.

Why did this happen because it came too easy to her and she believed the fantasy and when she had it she chose money over knowledge and glamour over reality and as a result lost the trust of those who really cared about her and the one person who was always in her corner may well abandon her. “You reap what you sow.” Nobody left Janet in a time of need, she abandoned those who cared for fake friends, you cannot split up what was never in reality you just see their true colors. “Everybody love a star, but nobody is around when the star comes down,” but disgruntled love.

Judy Florescu   September 1st, 2009 5:05 pm ET

This man is crazy!Remember when he said that he knew MIchael had another son that Omar? Was it just to cause controversy or what?

Cocovelvet   September 1st, 2009 5:09 pm ET

Hi everyone,........ STU AND MARIAU , haven't you two girls recovered from last night's golden pants sexbomb video HAA!!!HAA!!HEE!!! 🙂 🙂

I see the heat is still on about our golden pants guy and his moves......I just don't blame you girls, such a sexy lad would leave many women dreaming of that for days, months and even years to come........why do you think I'm talking about that as well ????. I couldn't stop laughing about how funny all of you pals were here yesterday with this sexbomb video.

Luda   September 1st, 2009 5:10 pm ET

From TMZ, But take the time to read the UPDATE at the end:

Posted Aug 29th 2009 3:00AM by TMZ Staff

Michael Jackson's former manager claims he's shopping "the only 'Official Tribute Shows' honoring Michael Jackson" - too bad no one in MJ's family knows anything about it.
We obtained a letter sent out by Frank Dileo - who describes himself as "the manager for Michael Jackson in life and in death" - and his business partner Mark Lamicka, who are trying to get people on board for Jackson tribute shows in "Canada, China & United Arab Emirates" in 2010.

We spoke to multiple members of the Jackson family - including Joe Jackson - who said they had no idea Mark and Frank were doing this.

Now ... a little background: Lamicka was sued for fraud in 2007 by some concert promoters, after he shopped around a tour for the band KISS without permission. According to court docs, Lamicka failed to appear at the trial and a default judgment was entered for $300,000.

We called Lamicka for comment and he said "I don't think there's any truth to this whatsoever ... can I get back to you tomorrow?" We're still waiting.

UPDATE - Dileo tells TMZ: "That document, that is not my signature on that document, that is not my company, I don't know who these people are, I don't know what else to tell you."

MaryRM   September 1st, 2009 5:12 pm ET

Please don't reprint anything from a tabloid. Michael constantly said how much he hated them.

Luda   September 1st, 2009 5:14 pm ET


English tabloids are well known to invent a lot of stories!!!!

Especially "The Sun"......

Lori   September 1st, 2009 5:17 pm ET

I think it is really out of line to criticise Michael Jackson's family. They have lost their son, brother, uncle and his children have lost their father. I am sure they are suffering greatly. It is really sad that some people feel the need to cause the Jackson Family more pain and distress. Have some compassion for Micheal's family, they are suffering more than anyone else.

Lora Ottawa Canada   September 1st, 2009 5:20 pm ET


You are so right and this week especially they are burying their beloved Michael, a son, a brother, a father, an uncle and a friend.

It is undoubtedly terrible!

Does anyone know if the burial is televised or not....I thought I read that there would be an area for the media.......I hope fans turn out!

Lea   September 1st, 2009 6:01 pm ET

As the list of sperm shooters lengthens McCauley is the best choice yet. At least he stood up for Michael and testified for him in court. And he has kept his feelings to himself and he doesn't seem to want to profit from his friends death

BERTHA CECILIA URDINOLA ALJURE - Wageningen - Holland   September 1st, 2009 6:04 pm ET


Used your brains:

Hoe old is Macaulay? en hoe old is Blanket??/.. Het is not possibel....

Dit is B.S.

Brigida, Italy   September 1st, 2009 6:06 pm ET

To Gene: I have bigger trouble with my english. I wasn't practicising it for several year and sometimes I don't understand all the words and have to google them 😉

To Luda: You're right! For us there is no reason to kill anyone. But don't forget, they are playing in a so high legue with so much money involved, they forget all about moralism and humanity! I would compare them almost with Mafia, if I had a single proove of it.

To Eli: I'm afraid you said the right thing. How high might the investigations go to discover the truth. And when somebody reaches there... will they have the courage to go ahead? Could they touch the real responsible of this crime? I live in Italy, so I saw and heard too much. 🙁

to Lori: nobody have doubt about the mourning and suffering but they should have had taken care of Michael better and sooner before. 🙁

About Jermaine... hm, I don't trust him but I'm sure he only wanted earn money with his brother. He surely never thought it would go so far.

Lea   September 1st, 2009 6:06 pm ET

It's not Joe's fault that he didn't know what is going on with Michael's life. Michael wanted it that way. He has to stay away from Michael's children because of custody issues. God bless everyone in Michael's family as they go this week. I can't imagine what it feels like to bury a child, sibling, or father. My thoughts and prayers go out to all of them. My heart will break again as they lay him to rest. May he fly with the angels, dance among the clouds and sing in a heavenly choir. MJ you are and always will be the music in my heart.

karen   September 1st, 2009 6:09 pm ET

The most frustrating thing is we don't find out anything except for what little Joe or Latoya says and I wish there was someone to let us know what's going on. I hope in time we will all know what happened to our beloved Michael. I keep the news on all day every day hoping they announce an arrest or something new. As A lifetime MJ fan I can't let this go until I find out what really happened.

Lora Ottawa Canada   September 1st, 2009 6:15 pm ET


Same for me hoping everyday that something is going to develop! Not looking good!

bk   September 1st, 2009 6:18 pm ET

i think its great when he says : IM grieving over my son’s loss, because he was the greatest all over the world... This guy when he speaks of michael keeps talking about the stage and performance, he never mentions him as a person. its incredible, he is sooo blind to the pain of michael, even when he denies abusing him when its obvious he suffered so much from his childhood, even the footage at the court when michael can barely walk joe is running around in the background so mike holds on to his bodyguards, he needed a father!!!
he left him out of the will and catherine doesn't live with him, here is a man with no guts, still doesn't admit he is wrong, michael is a LION next to you.

Anthony   September 1st, 2009 6:29 pm ET

IMO. They look similar.

Naza Ragimova   September 1st, 2009 6:37 pm ET

Glad to read all Joe`s words!
What about Blanket...He looks like Michael Jackson...His eyes and in general...Don`t you see this certainty?

cherubijne, The Netherlands   September 1st, 2009 6:42 pm ET

...He wasn't healthy in his last 6 weeks...he was dying...

Lora Ottawa Canada   September 1st, 2009 6:49 pm ET


Yes he was if he was given propofol every night for 6 weeks....for 12 hours...he was not taking in fluids or eating!

Maria   September 1st, 2009 6:53 pm ET

@ Anthony: In fact it's not a bombshell at all. Probably the commenter on TMZ was speaking about an interview from 1993 where this DeBarge said that MJ had sex with Bubbles.

angelwings   September 1st, 2009 7:16 pm ET

WHY is Klien think he is the father NO MICHEAL IS and the childeren only now that MICHEAL IS THEIR FATHER so give it a rest please..............Klien how do you think when MICHEALS CHILDEREN learn that you help to destroy thie FATHER MICHEAL!!!!!

John   September 1st, 2009 7:18 pm ET

How do any of you know if Michael Jackson was healthy or not! God's sake get a grip! Swiling the Michael Jackson Kool Aid all day long while you are constantly in this chatroom. Don't you guys have any life other than repeating yourselves all day long, day after day, 24/7? Michael Jackson took an expensive dirt nap, the way he lived is the way he died, stoked to the gills with drugs the average addict would never think to even use, would never even be able to accquire. What a bunch of dreamers!

Susan62509   September 1st, 2009 7:23 pm ET

The Susan that commented at 1:58 today is not the same Susan as I. I'm the Susan that has posted since MJ death on the LKL, MJ blogs. This other Susan and I may have different opinions at time. With that, I'M CHANGING MY BLOG NAME TO Susan62509. Thank you.

Susan62509   September 1st, 2009 7:32 pm ET

Hi to Patty Anderson, Lois, Lisa S, Nichole S, Mariau, Mila, Lex, Mara, Maria, Toni, Heidi, Stu, Gene and the regulars that I have missed.

For the last week, I have noticed that another person named Susan started posting on the LKL MJ topics. That is another Susan and not me. I’ve been posting since the end of June.

I’m changing my blog name to Susan62509 so the other Susan and I don’t get mixed up. She and I may have different opinions on topics. Thank you

Maria   September 1st, 2009 7:39 pm ET

Diane in Minneapolis – September 1st, 2009 1:25 pm ET

When regular citizens get taken to the hospital by paramedics doing CPR – the cops aren’t legally allowed to stay at their house and secure it. The same law applies to celebs. Then if that regular citizen dies of a heart attack at the hospital – the family usually goes to their house. None of this was legally actionable by the cops until they had word that the death was “suspicious” and then they could get a warrant.

Even if the cops thought something fishy was going on they had to wait for a legal reason to act or they might get in trouble.
Right. But then why NBC talks about 2 days before the LAPD secured the house? If you remember the first search warrant leaked to the press (the one about marijuana & latanoprost & benoquin), you will see that the pdf text contains two police affidavits, one from June 26, the other from June 27. When I saw the text being leaked to the press, I thought this is the best way for the LAPD to protect themselves from possible accusations that they didn't act quickly enough.

The family started removing things from the house on June 27, AFTER the police search was over and AFTER the police allowed them to do this. Because the investigation had already begun after MJ was pronounced dead. Says the first affidavit: "On June 25, 2009, Robbery Homicide Detectives were assigned to investigate the death of Michael Jackson. Jackson was removed from his home (...) During the course of investigation, family members of the decedent notified LA County Coroner's Assistance Chief Winter that they had located a quantity of tar heroin (...) Chief Winter notified LAPD detectives of the found evidence".

So it was a time gap between the first visit of LaToya (who notified Winter about "heroin") on June 25 and the moment when cops begun searching the house, on June 26, based on the affidavit. Is that enough to compromise the investigation? I doubt that LaToya didn't know or wasn't told what could happen if she touches, moves or takes things from the house BEFORE the police allows her to do so.

Maria   September 1st, 2009 8:03 pm ET

And another thing: there's a difference between the 2 affidavits about the supposed cause of death.
The first one (June 26) says: type of premises – 187, probable crime: PC187; the second one says: type of premises – SFD, probable crime: PC198. I googled it and found what those codes means. The first affidavit spoke about MURDER. The second one spoke about SELF DEFENSE (JUSTIFIABLE HOMICIDE). So what exactly led the police to believe that Murray was fearing for his life or property? Who could have threatened him?????

Maria   September 1st, 2009 8:06 pm ET

Hi, Susan62509 – I knew from the first message that she is another Susan (when she talked about Illuminati) 🙂

Diane in Minneapolis   September 1st, 2009 8:18 pm ET

Maria –
Those are very good points and Gene would be proud of your investigating abilities. I was quoting from what an LAPD said a few weeks back on TV about securing the crime scene. Your information is much more relevant and recent. Thank you for clearing that up!

Susan62509   September 1st, 2009 8:22 pm ET

Thank you Maria.

What I enjoy about your posts is that you always have facts to support your statements. I learn a lot from you and your comments. Thank you for sharing your knowledge and your time for doing it.

sherry   September 1st, 2009 8:29 pm ET

Jackson death certificate reflects homicide ruling
By ANTHONY McCARTNEY (AP) – 36 minutes ago

LOS ANGELES — Michael Jackson's death certificate has been amended to reflect his cause of death as a homicide, specifying "injection by another" as the fatal injury.

The designation was not a surprise — coroner's officials said last week that they believed Jackson's death on June 25 was a homicide.

Investigators have said a mix of the powerful anesthetic propofol and another sedative killed the pop singer. The new record lists "acute propofol intoxication" as the main cause of death and "benzodiazepine effect" as another significant contributor.

The public copy of Jackson's death certificate has not been changed to reflect his permanent resting place. Jackson is scheduled to be interred on Thursday evening at Forest Lawn Glendale.

The document does not mention Dr. Conrad Murray, who was Jackson's personal physician. He told detectives that he gave the singer a series of sedatives and propofol to try to help him sleep.

The coroner's determination of homicide makes it easier for prosecutors to seek criminal charges, but does not necessarily mean a crime was committed. Authorities investigating the singer's death have served search warrants in at least three states, California, Nevada and Texas.

No criminal charges have been filed over Jackson's death.

cherubijne, The Netherlands   September 1st, 2009 8:52 pm ET

To Lora,

I don't know if he was eating or not...there was a doctor around...or not?
The only thing what I can see is that he was dying for these 6 weeks, it was not a sudden death,... at last it was the overdose, yes.
Why couldn't his doctor see this and the nurse?
I don't no what medication they were giving him or whatelse BEFORE this 6 weeks. It's all about the money and the truth.

In this world his/the MUSIC is essential..., especially now...

For all the 'money-people: 'Thank you very much'. I am so angry.

'Some things in life they just don't wanna see'

Love for his family, all the bloggers and Larry

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 1st, 2009 8:59 pm ET

Hey Susan62509 - like the new moniker!

I'm glad you cleared that up. 🙂


DOUGLAS   September 1st, 2009 9:05 pm ET


Anthony   September 1st, 2009 9:07 pm ET

All these rumors are driving me crazy. Can they atleast take a week off while they bury him?

karen   September 1st, 2009 9:13 pm ET

I pray the jackson family will hire a private investigator to look into what went on from the time of MJ's last rehersal until the 911 call. There is a coverup, someone took the security tapes that show what happened and it wasn't done to protect MJ. Why are his security people not speaking out? Everyone is hiding out and running and MJ's fans need answers!

snuggy   September 1st, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Hi angelwings! Are you still here?

Heidi   September 1st, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Hi everyone!

How was everyones day!

Terri   September 1st, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Evening all how is everyone doing?

Heidi   September 1st, 2009 9:36 pm ET

Hi Terri how are you?

angelwings   September 1st, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Hi Snuggy...Sorry had to have a bath lol so I can play on here longer are you????????

Maria   September 1st, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Thank you, Susan62509!
And Diane: if you heard cops saying on TV that they didn't secure the house before June 27, then this is indeed negligence, because they had suspicions about murder since June 26. If they said they had secured the house on June 26, then that's ok, because it's perfectly possible that from June 25 to June 26 neither the family, nor the police had suspicions about homicide/murder.

Now about Murray: the detective said he had recovered from Murray's car a business card with the name Brandon Phillips. This can be Randy Phillips, CEO of AEG Live.
IMO if Murray had wanted to kill MJ at the suggestion of AEG, he wouldn't have let that business card in the car, especially if he had more than enough time to cover his traces (I mean if he had indeed wasted 30 minutes or a few hours before the arrival of paramedics). No killer can be that dumb or forgetful.
IMO either Phillips had contacted Murray to question him about MJ's health or Murray had contacted Phillips to demand his unpaid salary for his months of working for MJ. Because, as we know, the contract between MJ and AEG said that all the current expenses of MJ (rent, medical services, the salary of his personal doctor) will be covered from the advance sum paid by AEG to MJ for the future concerts. But Murray said he hadn't received any money and was upset about that. And I remember that Phillips commented on that, saying they had already given MJ all the needed money.

Terri   September 1st, 2009 9:50 pm ET

hi heidi! How was your day?

Terri   September 1st, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Im good Heidi getting prepare for work tomorrow first day back school begins again lol

Terri   September 1st, 2009 9:54 pm ET

where did everyone go at?

sherry   September 1st, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Im here IM here

beverly Livingstone Canada   September 1st, 2009 10:32 pm ET

Old Joe didn't know of MJ drug problem because for reasons ??? MJ didn't want him around .so how would he know for sure ,joe was not a part of MJ life ...shame on you JOE not a very good dad from what I hear ...

Patty Anderson   September 1st, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Good evening everyone. These tabloids just won't quit will they?

beverly Livingstone Canada   September 1st, 2009 10:38 pm ET

I don't think fair haired Mcconky is the Dad to blanket ..I think it may have been... if not MJ then MJ side kick that worked at Neverland had him on your show and he looked a little jittery hummm!! I don't see much of him these days ...

Mary U from Ohio   September 1st, 2009 10:47 pm ET

Michael Didn't want this Dad around.... Listen to Michael again... Michael said,,, Thanked his famliy at the awards in 2006 for there support and Joe was Included... Michaels home movies.. Michael and Janet Bought Joe a Boat...also in his home movie Michael said about Joe ... There's my Dad He tought me everything i Know on Stage when Michael was little... Joe was with Michael at the Trial... where were you....

Mary U from Ohio   September 1st, 2009 10:55 pm ET

Think about it... all the ones here saying thinks about Joe are no better then the Media or Tabloids... And you have the nerve to say things about the Media etc...Just cause Michael Didn't have Joe in the will doesn't mean anything... Were the rest of the family mention.... Joe is an entertainer Mrs Jackson Probably stays at home.... How many of you have only one parent guardian... Does that mean you don't love the other.

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 1st, 2009 10:58 pm ET

Mary U - AMEN to that...

Michael loved his dad, and his dad loved him.


Rachelle C. San Francisco, CA   September 1st, 2009 11:07 pm ET

I agree with Joe Jackson ,on the fact that Michael has paid with His Life. Not only is Dr. Murray a reaponsible party, but there are sure others. No matter how long it takes the Family as well as the Fans want the truth behind all of this.

mytake   September 1st, 2009 11:09 pm ET

It never fails, laugh at the daddy of the man that was laughed at just because he was a genius.

This world has nothing to do but LABEL and BELITTLE Any and Everybody that DARES to show there face in front of a CAMERA. Unless a celebrity is just a normal stay at home, never go to any award shows, hide behind closed doors out of the limelight type of star, then they are destined to be ridiculed and criticized for everything under the sun.

It's open season on what they wear, eat, drive, drink; who they get in bed with; who they don't get in bed with, etc, etc, etc.

Mr. Joe Jackson has stayed steadfast as the strong figured Black Father of the Jacksons and if nothing else, he deserves the benefit of the doubt that he's HURTING and he's not in control (which is something he thrives on) and HE LOVED HIS SON, who's now GONE.

Regardless of how many ways the story can be told of the early days, Michael loved his father and was impressed with his strength.

There's no end to the madness of crushing the Jacksons, because someone decided YEARS AGO that it was an ACCEPTABLE thing to do and it has kept on going and going and going.

The strength Michael needed to succeed the way he did, CAME FROM what his FATHER INSTILLED in him. If Michael could have possibly removed the veil of ringmasters from his life and allowed his FATHER to play a part in his life...MAYBE...JUST MAYBE...they could have managed to find and softened that "thing" that kept creeping into their relationship.

Michael had forgave his FATHER of what he felt was a rough childhood. He understood his FATHER better over the years, but sometimes when words have been said in PUBLIC to millions of people watching it's almost certain that those same millions of people watching would not believe or accept the idea that MICHAEL forgave his FATHER enough to have him work side by side with him again.

The love was there even though there was an invisible WEDGE that kept them apart. I REALLY wish that MICHAEL had not been ALONE that night or for so many other nights. He needed his family more than ever. HE NEEDED HIS FATHER.

I won't ever doubt that. I don't care what nobody says!

FANS...>>>> PLEASE GO TO THE WEBPAGE BELOW...if you haven't already


just add the http and www and the .com where they belong.

A million fans are needed to create a portrait made of "dots" to HONOR MICHAEL. Registration is FREE and YOU WILL BE 1 of the "dots" needed to create the DOT PORTRAIT OF MICHAEL, also you can leave a message to be associated with your "dot" or I think that's what it says about the message.

Pass the info along to others to join.

lindafromnewyork   September 1st, 2009 11:09 pm ET

The media is just relentless when it comes to the Jacksons–my god–will they ever stop–It is so sick.

Toni   September 1st, 2009 11:27 pm ET

Poor Joe. Leave this man alone. He is just as confused as the rest of us.

Lori   September 1st, 2009 11:39 pm ET

I said this earlier, but it should be repeated. The Jackson Family should be off limits. LKL should not post these articles about the family members. It really is unfair and it must be so hurtful. I think everyone should continue to support and pray for the entire Jackson Family during this nightmare.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 1st, 2009 11:40 pm ET

mytake - I have already registered for my dot! I love that concept.

People ridiculed Michael in life, and they have become even more brutal in death. They disrespect his contributions to the world, and continue to fabricate stories - all in a concerted attempt to tarnish his legacy, and to diminish the incredible impact that he left on the world.

And now that he's gone, some people even stoop to the level of calling his mother greedy, and his father a bad parent. SO DISRESPECTFUL. Not only because they created Michael, but because they are our elders.

I have said it before, and I will say it again: Michael would not have existed without Joseph and Katherine Jackson. please cease the blatant disrespect of his family.


denise   September 1st, 2009 11:53 pm ET

mytake and Nicole S, I too have registered for my dot last week...cant wait to see the finish product.

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 12:22 am ET

Denise - I know. I'm sure it will be pretty cool!


mytake   September 2nd, 2009 12:29 am ET

Yes, guys, I had said that probably a lot of people already have and some maybe were going to but never got around to it. Just leaving reminders so that the portrait can get done.

I'm waiting to see where my dot and my son's dot will be.

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 12:40 am ET

mytake - Understood...


mytake   September 2nd, 2009 12:42 am ET

(Should have been added to my previous post)...I'm working on putting together a word puzzle type of thing for Michael to add to the 7 page Afterlife birthday card that I made for him. If I have to say so myself, the card turned out GREAT. (haha)


It seems that nothing will change with these ignoramuses out here who have been damaged all of their lives and for whatever reason gets some type of JOY out of pitching HATE from their souls to other people...especially from behind the monitors of their computers.

What makes people so EVIL? So bitter with HATE and STUPIDITY, that they should be rottening away with every breath they take. It's so sad that children, innocent children are born into living with these type of people.

God knows it's so OUTRAGEOUS!

denise   September 2nd, 2009 12:46 am ET

good nite mytake, Nicole S and everyone has been a pleasure blogging.

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 12:48 am ET

Good night, Denise - same here! 🙂


Lori   September 2nd, 2009 12:50 am ET


Agreed about the ignoramuses out there that have to constantly keep bashing the Jackson Family. It is none of their business. They know nothing about this inner workings of the Jackson Family.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 12:51 am ET

mytake - I suppose it's easier to spew hatred from a computer than expressing one's true feelings face-to-face. And you're right, it is outrageous.


mytake   September 2nd, 2009 12:59 am ET

denise is probably gone already, but Good night, denise. (haha)

I get so fed up with the dirty minds and conflicted brains of these people.

What gets me is they talk like they are Sooo MUCH BETTER in their own lives.

I'd bet if any one of them were asked to explain why they sit on their backsides and think the way they do about Michael and his family...they couldn't even form a decent sentence that made sense.

marin   September 2nd, 2009 1:33 am ET

to lex : tottaly agree with you

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 1:36 am ET

mytake - Isn't THAT the truth! I can't imagine what they are having to deal with right now - all under the glare of the world's spotlight. People need to be more empathetic.

And ditto about not being able to form a decent sentence.

©2009 Nicole S. – North Carolina. All rights reserved.

Lori   September 2nd, 2009 1:50 am ET

@Mytake and Nicole

I agree with both of you. 🙂 And seriously, anyone who would call Mr. Joseph "clueless" is just asking to be made a fool of. Mr. Joseph is wiley, like a fox.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 1:56 am ET

Lori - Yes, he IS!! I am so tired of Mr. Joe being portrayed as some feeble old man. Just plain disrespectful.

The irony in all this is that, he has lived a long life. Not everyone gets that opportunity. Thank God he is still in his right mind.

©2009 Nicole S. – North Carolina. All rights reserved.

mytake   September 2nd, 2009 2:26 am ET

The matter in which these articles are written all stem from the minds of journalistic fools. Who's teaching these people how to do their jobs. I've never found it entertaining to watch how interviews are conducted.

I've often said that if I were interviewed by someone and they tried to throw some type of trick question to me or a question to make me feel insecure about answering, I'd look at them and say, "How would you like it, if I asked you the same question?"

It literally irks the hell out of me when...GET READY...Larry King asks some of the most idiotic bland emotionally unattached questions of his quests. It's like he's not really listening to their answers, he's just getting ready to ask another idiotic question. What's with that?

All of them do that, the JOURNALISTS. They make it sound as though the person is on trial or under investigation or something. I can sometimes see the distress in the guests' faces. I'm like why don't they just tell Larry...stop the BS and listen to what I'm saying and quit asking me all those stupid azx questions!!!!!

They lead the interviewee (haha) into answering ridiculous questions and then talk about the foolish answers that they tricked them into saying when they hadn't had a chance to think about their answers.

That wouldn't happen to me because I would take as long as I wanted to answer and then I'd say..."I don't get what you mean. Are you asking or telling me what you'll trying to get me to say."

They would never outsmart me. (haha)

Lori and Nicole - I have no idea if you guys are still here or not. I was looking a the Michael's concert from 1996 in Brunei. I decided I'd check back here to see what was going on, because it took so long for anyone else to answer after I posted the last time.

Well, I don't know, but I'll check back one more time before I get off the computer. Right now, I'm going back to watch some more of the concert on YouTube. (haha)

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 2:31 am ET

mytake - I'm still here, and getting ready to respond to your post. 🙂

©2009 Nicole S. – North Carolina. All rights reserved.

Lori   September 2nd, 2009 2:33 am ET

@Mytake I am still here. It would not surprise me if Nicole still is also.

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 2:37 am ET

mytake - I don't know what these journalists are thinking half the time. Some of the tout themselves as presenting fair and balanced coverage - when, to the contrary, the reporting is usually imbalanced and biased.

A series of (mostly silly) questions are usually asked by the interviewer, and the worse answers from the interviewee are lifted and replayed/republished over...and over...and an attempt to paint them in a seemingly negative light.

Now that's "my take" on things as they stand. 🙂

©2009 Nicole S. – North Carolina. All rights reserved.

Samantha - South Africa   September 2nd, 2009 2:44 am ET

Joe Jackson is just pulling yet anothher fast one on the pathetic media!

Samantha - South Africa   September 2nd, 2009 2:45 am ET

@ Nicole

I like 'your take' on things,it actually couldn't have been said any better!!!

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 2:48 am ET

Hi Samantha - I respectfully disagree.

The media loves to interview Mr. Joe, and then they tear his comments to shreds. That is rather unfair, wouldn't you say? Continuously doing this to a man who just lost his son.

In my opinion, it is the pinnacle of disrespect.

©2009 Nicole S. – North Carolina. All rights reserved.

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 2:49 am ET

Thanks Samantha. Just stating the truth, as I perceive it to be. 🙂

©2009 Nicole S. – North Carolina. All rights reserved.

Lori   September 2nd, 2009 2:54 am ET

Nicole - you took the words out of my mouth. The media loves to try and mess with Mr. Joseph and then they analyze and re analyze and twist his words around. It really bothers me.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 2:59 am ET

Lori - Some of these journalists...oooh...I just want to shake them real fast - one good time - because of the stupidity they continue to convey to the public as "fact." It's ridiculous.

©2009 Nicole S. – North Carolina. All rights reserved.

Samantha - South Africa   September 2nd, 2009 3:02 am ET

@ Nicole

Yeah I guess you're right.I'm well aware of the media and their attempts to 'twist' everything around coz its exactly what they did to Michael and they are now pulling off the same crap with members of the Jackson family!!!

Anyways,I'm on campus and have a 2 hour seminar to attend to now so will be back later.

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 3:13 am ET

Samantha - True, they are doing the same thing to Michael's family since he is no longer here. They need to leave them alone.

I just hope they do not hound Michael's children for the rest of their lives. They need to be able to function without the paparazzi breathing down their necks at every turn.

©2009 Nicole S. – North Carolina. All rights reserved.

Lori   September 2nd, 2009 3:22 am ET

@Nicole – You know the media is going to dog Michael's children. When has the media ever done the proper thing?

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 3:31 am ET

jdf - Your dad needs you to shovel some coal on the embers. Jump on your elevator and press the "down" button. I hear your home is rather toasty right about now.

©2009 Nicole S. – North Carolina. All rights reserved.

mytake   September 2nd, 2009 3:45 am ET

I've fallen asleep about 3 times at this computer. Then I awake and realize that I'm still online.

I think I better close this window down. I chat with you guys another niight.

Goodnight, or good morning I should say. It's almost 3am.

Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 2nd, 2009 3:47 am ET

mytake - Good night. Talk to you soon. I'm going to bed also.

©2009 Nicole S. – North Carolina. All rights reserved.

Lori   September 2nd, 2009 3:50 am ET

Goodnight Mytake– you are going to have to pace yourself on this blogging thing. Talk to you later. Tomorrow is another day. 🙂

Cynobia   September 2nd, 2009 4:01 am ET

Jdf who are you why are talking? Last time I checked nobody asked you anything. You need to quit referring to African Americans as monkeys, when you resemble one yourself. In fact do everyone a favor and go somewhere else. Since this is a positive room and doesn't need your negative energy, you are messing the flow up.

cherubijne, The Netherlands   September 2nd, 2009 4:22 am ET

JDF: is dit de naam van jouw werkgever?

Alicia from Hawaii   September 2nd, 2009 5:28 am ET

Douglas, that is a sad thought....

Patty Anderson   September 2nd, 2009 8:59 am ET

Good Morning all.. Unfortuenetly they are starting on the kids. On Hollywood 411 last night they showed Paris coming out of a salon after getting her hair cut. The security and person who did her hair had to make sure every strand of hair was cleaned up and taken with her so no one could try to run DNA tests. So what kind of life are these kids gonna have?

marin-indonesia   September 2nd, 2009 9:16 am ET

Good morning! (Or evening in my country).. @ patty: I feel pitty for the kids, I guess they will never have a normal life. For me, the kids are always MJ's children. And if the public finally found out that MJ is not their biological father what will they gonna do? Nothing I guess.

marin-indonesia   September 2nd, 2009 9:23 am ET

@patty anderson: I think the kids will never ever have a normal life, poor them. Unless the media and people who are so busy to claim that "I'am the biological father" leave them alone.

denise   September 2nd, 2009 9:36 am ET

good morning...
Patty Anderson -- it was on the newspaper, she was shopping with Grandma Katherine. Its unfortunate, but they are now in the spotlight.

Patty Anderson   September 2nd, 2009 9:37 am ET

marin-indonesia. I know what you are saying. And people wonnder why Michael kept them protected. Well here is the answer. The Media. There's gotta be laws to protect these children from the crap media.
I am hoping once the Jacksons get through all this burial happenings, that they go after the media and tear them to shreads. I no they say freedom of the press. But they shouldn't be allowed to probe into these childrens lives.

Patty Anderson   September 2nd, 2009 9:45 am ET

Denise: To me it is sickening. These media people have no right what so ever. These are minor children. Isn't there anything Katerine can do to keep the press away form the kids?

denise   September 2nd, 2009 9:50 am ET

Patty Anderson -- my heart goes out to MJ's 3 beautiful children including any minor children like you mentioned. They deserve to have a normal life.

You know, like Catherine Zeta-Jones & Michael Douglas, didnt they take the media to court and won the lawsuit in the UK. I think that there is something the Jackson family can do about it.

denise   September 2nd, 2009 9:55 am ET

Patty Anderson - i see you are hopping between blogs 😉 lol me2. Just read an article on tmz that julien's auction house might have to take MJ's estate and Tohme to court if Tohme doesnt sign the papers by next weeks.

Patty Anderson   September 2nd, 2009 9:57 am ET

Denise. Yes they did, so have others. I hope Kathrine nails them to the wall.
These tabloids and crap need to be put out of buisness.

denise   September 2nd, 2009 10:07 am ET

Patty Anderson -I totally agree with you and not to mentioned MJ has millions of fans worldwide. Have a good day Patty and will check back later 🙂

Patty Anderson   September 2nd, 2009 10:08 am ET

Have a great day yourself Denise..... L8R 🙂

marin-indonesia   September 2nd, 2009 10:31 am ET

Dear patty anderson- thanks for sharing your point of view, it's great and absolutely true, I hope the tabloids stop tearing MJ's chilldrens apart, they can ruin their life just like they did to michael jackson.

Pamela E   September 2nd, 2009 12:05 pm ET

I heard Joe say that he never knew about this stuff (propofol). He never denied that Michael was taking other medication for medical conditions.

I remember when the rumor that Omer was Michael's secret son surfaced. When Joe was questioned, Joe simply said, "Yeah. I knew he had a son" but the son he was referring to was actually Blanket. Within minutes, the media claimed Joe had confirmed Omer as a Jacskon when, in reality, he had refused to answer the question.

Stu   September 2nd, 2009 2:36 pm ET

Joe said in this interview,he didnt knew,Michael takeing this kinde of medications.Thets mean,he knew,he is takeing something,but not this kinde...

Alicia from Hawaii   September 2nd, 2009 5:29 pm ET

Thank you Mariau, for the wonderful video, I cried like a baby watching it. It's beautiful.

Katherine   September 3rd, 2009 12:06 am ET

I think it is terrible the way the media bashes Joe Jackson. My God, the man is Michael Jackson's father. No matter what the media says or interprets Mr. Jackson's words or actions to be, that man has to feel sadness for the loss of his son. In the end, it was him that was responsible for the success of his children, including Michael. He is elderly, and if for nothing else, he deserves some kind of respect for being Michael's father. Even Michael has said he and his father made amends for their past disagreements. Please leave the man alone!

spirit   September 3rd, 2009 8:25 am ET

hello everyone & Katherine

You are right there that no matter what Joe must be finding the loss of his son terrible... Thats natural... after all he is his father...We Michael's fans haven't gotten over his death, we still miss him terribly... How cud Joe not feel that way being his father... & yea Michael and his father did make amends...

Listen to Michael speech delivered at the University of Oxford 2001...That says it all... I'm posting Michael's words here... God! his words are beautiful! Plz read on:

..."Tonight, I don't want any of us to make this mistake. That's why I'm calling upon all the world's children – beginning with all of us here tonight – to forgive our parents, if we felt neglected. Forgive them and teach them how to love again.
You probably weren't surprised to hear that I did not have an idyllic childhood. The strain and tension that exists in my relationship with my own father is well documented. My father is a tough man and he pushed my brothers and me hard, from the earliest age, to be the best performers we could be.
He had great difficulty showing affection. He never really told me he loved me. And he never really complimented me either. If I did a great show, he would tell me it was a good show. And if I did an OK show, he told me it was a lousy show.
He seemed intent, above all else, on making us a commercial success. And at that he was more than adept. My father was a managerial genius and my brothers and I owe our professional success, in no small measure, to the forceful way that he pushed us. He trained me as a showman and under his guidance I couldn't miss a step.
But what I really wanted was a Dad. I wanted a father who showed me love. And my father never did that. He never said I love you while looking me straight in the eye, he never played a game with me. He never gave me a piggyback ride, he never threw a pillow at me, or a water balloon.
But I remember once when I was about four years old, there was a little carnival and he picked me up and put me on a pony. It was a tiny gesture, probably something he forgot five minutes later. But because of that moment I have this special place in my heart for him. Because that's how kids are, the little things mean so much to them and for me, that one moment meant everything. I only experienced it that one time, but it made me feel really good, about him and the world.
But now I am a father myself, and one day I was thinking about my own children, Prince and Paris and how I wanted them to think of me when they grow up. To be sure, I would like them to remember how I always wanted them with me wherever I went, how I always tried to put them before everything else...And when I think about this, of how I hope that my children will not judge me unkindly, and will forgive my shortcomings, I am forced to think of my own father and despite my earlier denials, I am forced to admit that he must have loved me. He did love me, and I know that.
There were little things that showed it. When I was a kid I had a real sweet tooth – we all did. My favourite food was glazed doughnuts and my father knew that. So every few weeks I would come downstairs in the morning and there on the kitchen counter was a bag of glazed doughnuts – no note, no explanation – just the doughnuts. It was like Santa Claus.
Sometimes I would think about staying up late at night, so I could see him leave them there, but just like with Santa Claus, I didn't want to ruin the magic for fear that he would never do it again. My father had to leave them secretly at night, so as no one might catch him with his guard down. He was scared of human emotion, he didn't understand it or know how to deal with it. But he did know doughnuts.
And when I allow the floodgates to open up, there are other memories that come rushing back, memories of other tiny gestures, however imperfect, that showed that he did what he could. So tonight, rather than focusing on what my father didn't do, I want to focus on all the things he did do and on his own personal challenges. I want to stop judging him.
I have started reflecting on the fact that my father grew up in the South, in a very poor family. He came of age during the Depression and his own father, who struggled to feed his children, showed little affection towards his family and raised my father and his siblings with an iron fist. Who could have imagined what it was like to grow up a poor black man in the South, robbed of dignity, bereft of hope, struggling to become a man in a world that saw my father as subordinate. I was the first black artist to be played on MTV and I remember how big a deal it was even then. And that was in the 80s!
My father moved to Indiana and had a large family of his own, working long hours in the steel mills, work that kills the lungs and humbles the spirit, all to support his family. Is it any wonder that he found it difficult to expose his feelings? Is it any mystery that he hardened his heart, that he raised the emotional ramparts? And most of all, is it any wonder why he pushed his sons so hard to succeed as performers, so that they could be saved from what he knew to be a life of indignity and poverty?
I have begun to see that even my father's harshness was a kind of love, an imperfect love, to be sure, but love nonetheless. He pushed me because he loved me. Because he wanted no man ever to look down at his offspring.
And now with time, rather than bitterness, I feel blessing. In the place of anger, I have found absolution. And in the place of revenge I have found reconciliation. And my initial fury has slowly given way to forgiveness..."

Reading this brought tears to my eyes...
Love you Michael! You are beautiful! God bless!

Danielle   September 3rd, 2009 11:19 am ET







margaret   September 3rd, 2009 3:04 pm ET

Joe–stop the nonsense..its over.

margaret   September 3rd, 2009 3:08 pm ET

One more thing Joe....please.

Cali MJ Fan   September 6th, 2009 3:17 am ET

This is a repost of someone's comments– and truly fitting.
Sunset in the Pacific September 4th, 2009 3:53 pm ET

I wish I had to time cross post this on every Michael Jackson Blog on LKL.

September 3rd was a fitting tribute and dignified ceremony honoring one of the most beloved entertainers of all time. The guest list and the attendance spoke of well deserved respect and affection bestowed both on the deceased and for the family. And once again the children made a poignent statement through their love and final gestures.

Not one circumstance, lie, truth or rumor will ever change the finality of last evening. Many virtual friendships and connections seemed to have been made by all the cross-posters who attended these Blogs, as well as creating other opportunities to visit off-line websites.

As a mark of honor and in good taste, Larry King Live & CNN Webmasters, why not close down the Blogs that continue to enflame speculation for no good reason any longer.

To truly allow the family, friends and fans some lasting peace and consideration.

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