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August 25, 2009

Who Really Killed Michael Jackson?

Posted: 11:18 AM ET

By Bryan Monroe via Huffington Post

MJ to close friend: "Don't leave me, they're trying to kill me."

Homicide.

The word hangs in the air. Somebody killed him. By accident or on purpose. Somebody killed Michael Jackson. Michael-Jackson-concert

On Monday, the Los Angeles coroner's office reportedly ruled that the 50-year-old "King of Pop" was killed at the hands of another, and a search warrant said that Jackson had "lethal" doses of the powerful anesthetic propofol in his body when he died.

His personal physician, Dr. Conrad Murray, has been the focus of a possible criminal investigation, but no charges have been filed. Murray could face criminal allegations of involuntary manslaughter or negligent homicide, as well as civil charges of medical malpractice or wrongful death. Police have searched his offices in Houston as well as several storage facilities around the country. Still, many people close to Jackson wonder if the doctor should be the only target of inquiry.

Was it the reckless administration of a potent cocktail of deadly medicines that killed Jackson? Or was it a grueling schedule, relentless expectations and a zeal for perfection that led to his death? (Friends said Michael thought he had originally agreed only to a couple dozen concert dates, not the 50 that had been scheduled by promoter AEG at London's O2 Arena.) Or was it the artist's own penchant to get whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, without boundaries or limits? Could anyone say "no" to the King of Pop?

In the days after Jackson's June 25 death, I was inundated with questions and concerns from many who were close to the superstar throughout his life and career. They killed him, they would say to me. They finally did it.

What did they mean? Who were "they?" And who would stand to gain at the death of a legend?

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Lori   August 25th, 2009 11:30 am ET

Who killed him, indeed? The list of potentials is long.


Luda   August 25th, 2009 11:37 am ET

The industry.


snuggy   August 25th, 2009 11:37 am ET

ask LaToya


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 11:38 am ET

I just watched "mystery man behind michael jackson"(msnbc)-makes me think...


Wendy Keegan   August 25th, 2009 11:38 am ET

The family has someone to blame instead of themselves. Michael should have been taken to rehab! Michael would have gotten the drugs any means necessary and we've seen that he used other people's names for prescriptions. Michael demanded the 25 mgs. Michael took them & must take 50% of the blame. It's accidental suicide. Lastly, the doctor must lose his MD license.


sarah   August 25th, 2009 11:39 am ET

can't believe that this is happened to MJ 😦 THEY should pay for what THEY have done .....

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN !!! PEACE

Hello Every1


Mara   August 25th, 2009 11:41 am ET

Well let's see don't blame it on the sunshine, don't blame it on the moonlight, don't blame it on the goodtimes, ...blame it on Murray that's a start!


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 11:42 am ET

I hope MJ is in a safe and peaceful place right now
what a nightmare having to go through all this the last years

hi snuggy!
read your comments yesterday...very interesting...


Samantha - South Africa   August 25th, 2009 11:43 am ET

First and foremost,I think this is an excellent article that has been written by a 'credible' journalist.

Secondly,Michael also told La Toya some years back that he thought that there were people out there to kill him so they could get their hands on his $1 billion share of SONY/ATV Publishing which includes the works of the Beatles as well as the rights to his own songs.We know for sure that Michael was surrounded by so-called 'vultures' who had 'ulterior motives' and never actually cared about what may be in his best interests,they took advantage of his good nature and I personally feel they got Michael hooked onto drugs as means of 'controlling' him!DiLeo talks rubbish when he says that Michael was not controlled by others and made decisions on his own!This is corroborated by David Wishna who was one of Michael's former business associates and said that people were cutting deals without consulting Michael first so what does that tell us??????

Lastly,I've always entertained the idea at the back of my mind that Murray may have been working in cahoots with the 'vultures' or perhaps they set him up to make it look as if it's his fault.I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if there were "greedy scumbags" out there who conspired to kill Michael.This brings us back to the story of Jimi Hendrix who was found dead in a hotel room in 1970 and it was ruled as 'drug overdose' only to find out some 40 years later that his manager murdered him so that he could cash in on the insurance money!!!


Mary U from Ohio   August 25th, 2009 11:43 am ET

AEG is the Name that helped put Micael in his Grave.... Michael knew what the could Handle..That was 10 Concerts.... Remember AEG went to Michael for more Dates cause the tickets were Selling out.... Michael was 50 going on 51 two months later i think he would know what he could handle... How come all these years Michael performed well.. never saying that he couldn't do the concerts...
Why didn't Michael Stay with the people who did his Shows before????? Why didn't Michael use the Doctor he had before? ..at his other concerts if he did have one then????
AEG is responsible....Bottom Line as well as others that hurt his Spirit and Soul... The Media... Martin Bashsir... Tabloids... Calling him Wacko Jacko... Pressuring Michael about his Face Surgeries... >>
I didn't care..about that... I seen Michael getting better and better looking each year....
People blame Joe Jackson... Michael didn't want to be reminded of what Joe did to him........ hold on... What if from over the years that all the name calling and being accused of Child Molesting... Tabloids...Martin Bashsir Etc....How do you know ... this is what he could of been escaping...That could of been his escape...Why the Changes....


rachael justice   August 25th, 2009 11:51 am ET

i believe dr. conrad murray killed him. there is a video that says murray gave michael a fake demerol, and i believe its true. if it wasnt for him, then michael would still be alive.


Lori   August 25th, 2009 11:56 am ET

No one knows for sure what Michael wanted with regards to his medications. No one has heard Michael asking for drugs. All we have heard is heresay evidence from medical providers that Michael wanted medication. Are you going to believe shady Dr. Conrad Murray's account of that night?? The timeline is ridiculous. The amount of drugs he gave his ridiculous and criminal. So why believe Dr. Murray when he says the Michael demanded the propofol? Dr. Murray is looking at criminal charges. He is going to say anything that might help him avoid such charges. For all anyone knows since we were not there, Michael may not have asked for anything.

We still do not have any OFFICIAL word from law enforcement or the coronor's office or the LA County District Attorney's office or any of the other alphabet agencies involved in this investigation as to the status of the Michael Jackson death investigation.

This thing is still unfolding. Michael may very well have been addicted to prescription medications, but we are still relying on what is still "leaked" and "anonymous sources" information. The LA PD, coronor, and LA DA have not corrobarated this information as of yet.


snuggy   August 25th, 2009 11:56 am ET

Hi Katinka! which comments?


Lori   August 25th, 2009 11:59 am ET

or I guess we could just ask...

The Informer!!


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 12:00 pm ET

Mary U from ohio-I like what you just said!
I also believe that michael didn´t have half as many face surgeries as the tabloids claim...and I agree:he looked best at the end

samantha south africa-you were referring to David Wishna who said that people were cutting deals without consulting michael first-wasn´t that before frank dileo came back on board?


sarah   August 25th, 2009 12:02 pm ET

did INFORMER showed up last night or not ?????

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!!! PEACE!!!

INFORMER if you are reading this come talk to us !!!!


Lisa S   August 25th, 2009 12:02 pm ET

I think everybody has to realize that what happened probably would have happened eventually in any cases.

Michael was addicted to these drugs and needed them to relax and sleep. And he was going to get them no matter what.

MJ had a lot of friends in the medical field. Klein was a close friend and so were Chopra. He could have asked them to come on tour with him. Or accepted a doc AEG suggested. Michael chose a doctor he had never had before, a doctor he didnt know . Why? My answer to that was because he could control him.

You might think what you want about Klein or Chopra but they are strong personalities and not so easy to manipulate. They would never have agreed to do what Dr Murray did every night. I dont know what is the truth and who knows what happened that particular night but the truth is that Michael decided to hirer a doctor that he didnt know well for a reason.

My personal opinion is that if Dr Murray wouldnt have accepted another doctor would have done it. The only way there might have been to prevented what happened would have been to get Michael out of his addiction. Nobody managed to do that. Not his personal doctors and none of his brothers and sisters.


Lori   August 25th, 2009 12:05 pm ET

Sarah – No the Informer did not make an appearance last night. I do not believe anyone will ever hear from The Informer ever again.


Maria   August 25th, 2009 12:08 pm ET

"Was it the reckless administration of a potent cocktail of deadly medicines that killed Jackson?

Or was it a grueling schedule, relentless expectations and a zeal for perfection that led to his death?

Or was it the artist’s own penchant to get whatever he wanted, whenever he wanted, without boundaries or limits?"

All of the above.


Toni   August 25th, 2009 12:10 pm ET

Samantha
I totally agree, but dont forget how angry he made Mattola. Mattola/sony had more to gain from him being dead than AEG. But, AEG has been working with sony, and Delio just got a new job with sony. So is all that just a coincedence as well?


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 12:11 pm ET

There is so much more to this story than we are hearing from the media!!! Remember this reporting is from an "anonymous soure"....nothing offical.....
We really need The Informer now...remember what he said in the last post from him...the next five days....well here we are.....now what happens?


Farewell   August 25th, 2009 12:11 pm ET

I truly believe that Michael was " living with vultures" for many years this so called ' Friends" Klein, Branca etc.. But since he made this contract with AEG things didn't look so good, he was been controlled by them and I also believe that they hook him on drugs so was easier for them. Is all a shame they took advantage of his good and sensible nature and because they knew that for him to be able to come back and do this show in London and to performe again after so many years was a big deal, to be able to make money again to buy the house that he wanted in Las Vegas, to be with the fans again and to performed for his children fo the first time. They took advantage of him <Yes!!! But what comes around goes around ! This is just the begining ! Not even his family could intervene , this tell you a lot and how powerful this vultures are! But someone needs to pay for this! Is not fair !


CAROLYN   August 25th, 2009 12:11 pm ET

THIS IS SO SAD,MJ,OR ANYBODY ELSE,RICH OR POOR,WE HAVE
A OVERWHELMING DRUG PROBLEM IN THE WORLD THESE DAYS,
WHEN IS AMERICA GONNA WAKE UP AND REALIZE WHATS GOING
ON? IF THIS IS NOT TURNED AROUND, WE CAN ONLY IMAGINE
WHAT THE FUTURE WILL HOLD FOR NORMAL PEOPLE, MAY GOD
HELP US ALL.


Mary U from Ohio   August 25th, 2009 12:16 pm ET

Katinka from Germany ...everyone... we need to keep asking questions... til we get the truth.... The Doctor will say anything to put it on Michael.... One more thing added to Michael life.... one more thing to blame Michael for.... The way Michael was... I don't believe Michael could do this to himself... Others did it to him.... Look ...remember 60 minutes interview,,, When Michael Had to use the Bathroom and the Guard left him in there for 45 minutes and the guard ask Michael do you like the smell what the question was..???... do you like it ... What did Michael answer... It's all right...Michael didn't have a Fighting Spirit... He had Gods Spirit... Turn the Other Cheek....People took advantage of that... God I miss Michael...I love Him... WE need to Pray to God That Michael name will Always be Cleared.. and only good things will be said...


irina   August 25th, 2009 12:19 pm ET

I think that Micheal tragic life AND DEAD is the result of TABLOIDS. Year before , they started to kill him . Michael could never understand how its possible , when you have so much love i your heart , some people can call you 'wacko' They have to pay for Michael's pains.


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   August 25th, 2009 12:19 pm ET

@Lisa S,

As most of the time, i agree with you.

Michael should have had a whole team around him to manage a kick off, instead he only had one doctor.

It's time to come down to earth and face the hudge mental and physical problems he had.

Notwithstanding, all enablers should be prosecuted!!!


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 12:19 pm ET

snuggy-sorry,I had to look it up first-didn´t sleep too much the past 2 months-my memory is like that swiss cheese emmentaler-it´s got a lot of holes!
you said:don´t you think its interesting that this information was leeked by one informant and is unofficial and there is one informant on here...
same paragraph:the informer could still be right
by the way -I strongly believe he´s right(99.9%)
if not I´ll be devastaded-I can´t go through this again...


Lisa S   August 25th, 2009 12:19 pm ET

sandymjfan:

What do you need the informer for? He doesnt even think Michael is dead. How can he come with answers on who killed him?


Toni   August 25th, 2009 12:23 pm ET

Lisa S
You are always on here stating how Michael was addicted to the drugs. How do you know that for sure? And as for Deepac Chopra...anyone that says to the public what Michael told him in confidence is no friend. And where exactly was he when Michael really needed help? And I guess you havent heard that Dr, Klein is now being accused of getting drugs for himself under Michaels name and aliases, and charging Michael for them.
The police did not find any drugs the first day at Michaels, it was the second time. So there is nobody at this time to prove he was actually addicted to anything. It is all hearsay from 15 minute famers and people he fired or had trouble with. If he was addicted, then these cowards could have overpowered him and done something, but they wait until he is dead and then try to look like heros.


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 12:25 pm ET

sandymjfan-maybe we should just relax alittle bit and see what will happen next
remember the informer said also:the surprises will speek for themself


sarah   August 25th, 2009 12:30 pm ET

only if Michael was little bit careful and responsible none of this would never happened, people would be enjoyin his 02 concerts..... 😦 so sad & heart breaking..... one flaw that Michael had was i think he easily got fooled & trusted people that he thought was his friends ......

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN !!! PEACE!!!


Becky   August 25th, 2009 12:32 pm ET

Iam so lost and very sad of this news ............all doctors shoild be put away for a long time..........I allso feel like a fool for believing THE INFORMER my heart hurts for Michaels family I WILL MISS YOU.REAST IN PEACE ANGEL


Holland   August 25th, 2009 12:33 pm ET

Guys, forgive me but I sometimes thought the Informer was Dr. Murray, in his free time then, but not now.

Who killed Michael? He was directly murdered by Murray, and indirectly by lots of leeches and vultures.


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 12:33 pm ET

mary u from ohio-again I agree with you

MICHAELS NAME NEEDS TO BE CLEARED !!!

you are soo right!


Becky   August 25th, 2009 12:38 pm ET

Hi Every one such bad news about dear Michael........his my family are in my heart and in my prayers his poor childeren


Chidi-Ezeama, Uchenna   August 25th, 2009 12:46 pm ET

The Vultures and Dr. Murray Conrad killed Michael Jackson.
Michael saw this and could not alert the family or best friends.Murray couldnt have administered those drugs outside the hospital setting for 5 good times just to make him sleep.
What I know is that one day, justice will be served to the killers.
-Umuobiakwa, Nigeria.


beth   August 25th, 2009 12:49 pm ET

It is apparent that Murray killed Mj. The timeline doesn't add up, and he has lied numerous times to the police. But, there are others who are also responsible. AEG has a big hand in it as well. How did MJ pass the grueling phyical? ALL Mj's doctors are responsible at some level. Klein, Radner, Slavett, etc. Not an honest one in the bunch.I also think the tabloids are responsible and the despicable journalists over the last 15 years such as, Oprah, Bashir, Walters, Sawyer, Diamond, Grace, and all the others who hide behind their hateful written words of disgust. MJ died the day of that mug shot. His spirit was broken and stepped on. He had the gentle soul of a true artist and unfortunately the people around him took advantage of that. Your so-called experts will try to figure out what MJ was all about, but no one ever really will because he was one-of -a-kind and lived a life as no one ever had in the past or ever will in the future.


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   August 25th, 2009 12:57 pm ET

@Toni,

This denial regarding MJ's addiction, dependancy, or whatever you call it, has been funest for MJ's development. He should have had people around him that would tear him by his hear, tie him down and talk sense into him.

The list of pills which are in the affidavit means he had already developed tolerance. This can mean only one thing: he needed more and more in order to get the wanted result.

I think we should stop being in denial and focus on two things: what was the reason of this addiction and who can be held accountable.


Lisa S   August 25th, 2009 12:58 pm ET

Toni August 25th, 2009 12:23 pm ET

Firstly, I do not always state that michael was an addict. I havent talked about it much really. However, Michael has made statement about his addiction to drugs as early as 1993. Yes, you can create stories aobut that he was manipulated to say this but the fact is that he actually went into rehab for it.

I dont know your life or history, but, having a doctor 24/7 who administer that kind of drugs is not normal. Either you have a serious phycical desease or you need the drugs for other reason. Michael, has repordetly asked several doctors for different kind of drugs, he has been given drugs by some and been given drugs on a regular basis by Dr Murray. I dont know if you suggest that Dr Murray secretly injected the drugs to Michael or forced him or fooled him into taking them. But I find that hard to believe. Michael Jackson was extremly picky with what he put into his body. People couldnt even force him into have an banana that wasnt organically grown, there is no way any doctor could have forced him to take pills he didnt wanted to.

When you are refusing to see Michael as a drug addict it tells more about your own perception and prejusticies about drug addicts. There are many reasons for why people become depending on drugs and it is of course important what drove them into that. But once they are drug addicts they are all suffering the same nightmare. The only thing that differ the man/woman in the street trying to get drugs and the one getting it injected by a doctor is money.


spirit   August 25th, 2009 1:07 pm ET

You knw what kills me now is the bitter, terrible fact that Michael is no more with us... They (whoever "they" are) got what they wanted... They killed him, the innocent, trusting soul... I only wonder how do these guys sleep at night... No squirming conscience killing them for what they have done...

So many ppl who are responsible for his death. The list goes on & on:

> Dr Conrad Murray
is for sure to blame whether it was voluntary or involuntary on his part...for gross violation of his professional duties...Why te heck did he administer propofol on Michael at his home... & Murray! Stop saying "it was on repeated demands from Jackson himself"... Who are you kidding by the way? If anyone comes up to you asking for poison, would you be giving that saying the same? Have a heart! Michael is no more around to defend himself so stop throwing all the blame on him... Have this decency @ least!

> Klein
for having given him sedatives over the years & then coming up & saying that he didn't dive anything dangerous to Michael... What an easy conscience!

> MJ's friends & family...
where were they in the most trying days of his life? He died with all of you busy in your respective lives not knowing what he was going through. How come he had this chronic insomnia? Did any family or friend ever bother finding out? Why didn't you intervene? OK! You say you did but you couldn't get past seccurity... Wow! Shouldn't you guys have been relentless in your efforts... If I get to know or feel that one of my family members or friends is passing through a real toug time, I would keep banging the door, barging my way into that person's life & house coz I love that person... I care & its very much my business... I just can't leave that person @ the mercy of those leeches (doctors) & let him die... None of you felt concerned enough to do that???

> Media
for always focussing on the negative while portraying MJ. Never looking at all the wonderful things that he did in his life... Listen to his "Leave Me Alone" & "Scream"... God! the man is crying for peace of mind which was denied to him all his life... It always bugged you guys why did he get his colour changed? Why did he hav a chimp for a pet? Why isn't he married? And when married...why is he married & that too to Lisa Mary? Why did he get divorced? Why didn't he have kids? Then why did he have kids? How did he have them? & then the ugly one... Whose kids are they? Why did he live in Neveland? Why did he leave Neverland? Why did he befriend kids, the terminally ill ones? Why did he settle the case outside the court with his first accuser? Then why did he face charges in the court the second time around? Why did he leave for Bahrain? Why has he come back to the US? & even in death WHY DID HE TAKE PROPOFOL?

ENOUGH! Isn't it? Anyone of us would have collapsed under all this? & Hats off to this warrior for having suffered all of the above and NEVER, not even for once getting bitter...

All of us are to be blamed... Accept it... Why keep shifting the blame onto others & least of all Michael himself... Plz for God's sake LEAVE MICHAEL ALONE... & DON'T CALL HIM AN ADDICT... HE WASN'T... HE WAS JUST A HUMAN BEING LIKE ALL OF US WITH HIS VULNERABILITY AND INNOCENCE... HE GAVE SO MUCH TO THE WORLD AND WHAT DID WE GIVE HIM BACK? FALSE ALLEGATIONS ALL HIS LIFE!

I LOVE YOU MICHAEL...ALL OF YOUR FANS LOVE YOU... WE MISS YOU TERRIBLY AND WE ARE SORRY THAT WE COULDN'T DO ANYTHING FOR YOU... MAY GOD BE WITH YOU FOREVER & MAY YOU LIVE IN ETERNAL BLISS AND PEACE THAT YOU DESERVE WITH A CAPITAL "D"...

THANK YOU MICHAEL FOR EVERYTHING! THE WORLD WILL LIVE ON WITH THIS GUILT THAT IT DIDN'T TREAT YOU THE RIGHT WAY AND DIDN'T SEE THE BEAUTY OF YOUR SOUL... I'M SURE YOU ARE AT PEACE NOW... BUT WE MISS YOU SO MUCH...

ALL MY LOVE & ALL MY PRAYERS!


Lisa S   August 25th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

I also want to add that I am sick and tired of all this theories and guesses about who is the guilty one.

Michael was 50. There has been a line of more or less qualified doctors along the line of his life. His addiction didnt start in March, it didnt start this year it started long time ago. How we dont know. Was it is traumatic and bad relation to his father that got him depressed? Was it the fact that he always had to tried to live up to the expectation based on his last preformance? Was it the imprisioned life he had to led? Was it a physical desease? Was it the accusations? Was it loonelyness?

Dr Murray should never have accepted to practice that kind of medical care in a home and he might have been the one that gave him the leathal shot. And if that is the case, he should be held accountable for that. BUT what actually led to him needing that strong medicine just to be able to sleep and the lack of support from family and friends is what enable this to happen.


Jacquelyn   August 25th, 2009 1:13 pm ET

Way too many to list.


Tina (Germany)   August 25th, 2009 1:13 pm ET

The Dr. gave the last shot to his death, but others made a contribution to his death by hunting him for all the wrong reason over the years. No matter what the truth was, they turned it around. A serious illness like lupus and a demoralizing thing like vitiligo was used for the wrong reasons. The complete molesting thing was a modern kind of witchhunt with the media playing the inquisition. His marriage to LMP, his children, no matter what, everything was used to paint a bad picture. The Dr. just gave the last shot, but the media participated. In the end the media people (they know who they are) drove him into this nitemare.


Becky   August 25th, 2009 1:14 pm ET

My heart broke the day Michael passed away ........now my heart hurts more to find he was killed.........god rest your sole Michael


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 1:14 pm ET

spirit.....
Thank you....truer words could not be said....


Lisa S   August 25th, 2009 1:18 pm ET

Tina (Germany)

You are right. I think Europe look at things differently. Maybe because of the fact that we have a different law system than US.


Xavianey   August 25th, 2009 1:18 pm ET

That's the question!! Who killed this great man?? Who were they??
I'll hope they wil solve this dead of legend. I love micheal jackson.


Tina (Germany)   August 25th, 2009 1:19 pm ET

looks like spirit had the same thougths and was faster and said it a way better than me. Thanks, that is exactly what I was talking about. He could not sleep? OH MY GOD WHY? stupid question.


Lisa S   August 25th, 2009 1:50 pm ET

Tina (Germany

I meant the way that we tend to look more at the whole picture. I was refering to the suing-system in US where you have to insurance your self to the toe nails and where the attourneys have attourneys.

I was not referring to the tabloids at all.


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 1:56 pm ET

Dr Murray never had any concern for Michael as a patient, had no concern for Michael as a fellow human being. His only concern was $$$$.


Tina (Germany)   August 25th, 2009 1:56 pm ET

Lisa S, ok I misunderstood you then. Yes that is true.


Gerald Jolly   August 25th, 2009 1:58 pm ET

Great Question: Who really killed Michael Jackson??
The correct and only answer is.
"HIMSELF"


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 2:02 pm ET

Tina(Germany)-I think you are as pissed off of our tv stations over here as I am-even N24 and arte!Did you see "michael jackson-die ganze wahrheit" shortly after MJ died? I jumped out of my bed and screamed,I was so angry at them!I sent them a fax-of course I didn´t get any answer ...I don´t watch german tv any more.I stick to cnn for the news and to the radio.In the mtv teletext they keep calling michael "jacko"as well-ich würde einigen leuten da mal gerne ordentlich in den arsch treten


BERTHA CECILIA URDINOLA ALJURE - Wageningen - Holland   August 25th, 2009 2:03 pm ET

Maureen (UK) thank you for this article!!


Lisa S   August 25th, 2009 2:10 pm ET

Tina (Germany)

Good 🙂 Eventough I managed to spell just about every word wrong.


Maria   August 25th, 2009 2:10 pm ET

Will we ever find out what really hapened to MJ. God bless his family and specially his children and his mother.


Toni   August 25th, 2009 2:11 pm ET

Lisa S
What is listed in the affidavit is from all of his so-called friends and fired staff. And if Klein was getting the drugs for himself { as I had mentioned many times on here} then how do we know the other staff were not supporting their own habits at Michaels expense? He didnt order and pickup his own meds like we do, he had someone do it for him. So the people that are saying he took 30-40 Xanax a day is their word against Michaels, and he isnt here to defend himself. Not one person has solid proof that he was taking all of these meds. Plus, if it is true from the coroner that his organs were in great shape, then taking all of those meds isnt possible.


Tina (Germany)   August 25th, 2009 2:13 pm ET

To Katinka – Ja, ich bin echt nen friedliebender Mensch, aber da könnte ich ausrasten. Da werde ich selbst noch krank und bekomme es an den Nerven und kann vor Wut nicht einschlafen.


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 2:15 pm ET

Toni....I agree with you...No way could Michael have been taking all of these drugs that they claim.......Klein is much more involved than we know...the truth will come out....
Keep the Faith!!!


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 2:30 pm ET

Tina-mir gehts genauso-ich schwanke zwischen abgrundtiefer Verachtung und Resignation
Aber Schwätzer gibt es immer-am besten man ignoriert sie-im Endeffekt tun sie mir leid


BERTHA CECILIA URDINOLA ALJURE - Wageningen - Holland   August 25th, 2009 2:37 pm ET

sandymjfan

Thank you for these video..... with Sammy Davis...... he was one icoon!!!! Beatiful!


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 2:42 pm ET

Bertha Cecilia
You are welcome.....
It is a beautiful video...Michael was a beautful, loving man....There is no doubt!!!!


Lea   August 25th, 2009 2:45 pm ET

It wasn't ruled suicide – so it wasn't Michael. It was homicide – that leaves Dr. Murray. I don't think he meant to kil him; he was his meal ticket. Thank God stupidity isn't a viable defense. Murray should be punished and I trust our judicial system to carry that out. He will not be the only one punished. I feel there were a lot of other enablers and they should be punished also. We can all second guess what we wish people/friends could have done to save Michael, but we weren't there. I just know that I miss him and that his music will live forever in my heart. RIP Michael.


Toni   August 25th, 2009 2:46 pm ET

Laura
That is very intresting. Did you paste it on the other MJ blogs?


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 2:48 pm ET

I llove Sammy Davis Jr!I remember seeing the ORIGINAL oceans eleven (w/ Sammy Davis Jr,Frank Sinatra,Dean Martin-you know the "rat pack"!)years back-I used to LOVE that movie!!!


Laura   August 25th, 2009 2:51 pm ET

Toni,
No I didn't. I just found it posted on the TMZ blog. Feel free to post it around, if you want.


sarah   August 25th, 2009 2:52 pm ET

hey Laura, is it supposed to be MJ ????? hmmmmmmmmmm confusing

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN !!! PEACE!!!


Janice   August 25th, 2009 2:53 pm ET

I am not going to speculate on what drugs he may or may not have been using since we really don't know until we get the OFFICIAL autopsy report. One thing I do know is that media kept hyping this painkiller addiction from the very beginning yet,no Demorol or Oxycotin was found in his home.

I feel like I'm going around the mulberry bush with all the theories out there and the medias keep us twisting in the wind with this expert, that alleged friend, etc.

Until the LAPD, the Coroner and the DA stand before the mikes and tell us what was found, what was the final determination of death (the warrant list the preliminary) and what actions will or will not be taken , I feel like I still don't know for sure because there are so many lies, denial, retractions,etc. Even the warrant had to be written in a way that ensured a judge approved it, so how much was hyperbole, how much info was withheld, etc.


snuggy   August 25th, 2009 2:58 pm ET

Laura gives a feeling a little like the body bag moving video...eh?


Dale from Saskatchewan Canada   August 25th, 2009 2:59 pm ET

I think Michael Jackson was not around people that were honest, and decent. Instead–Dr. Murray feeding him drugs, afterall, he is the doctor–and what for?–just the money. He took a oath to help people–not to be greedy–he knew he should have said NO to Michael–and if he needed help–he could have called MJ's mother. Dr. Murray should be punished and anyone else that is involved. I feel so sorry for his family, to have to put up with such vindictive people, Michael would have been alive today if it wasn't for all the enablers. RIP Michael.


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 3:01 pm ET

@ laura-I KNEW I COULD TRUST MY HEART!


Laura   August 25th, 2009 3:01 pm ET

snuggy,
Yeah, I suppose. I would LOVE nothing more for Michael to be alive...BUT........


Laura   August 25th, 2009 3:04 pm ET

Katinka,

We can only HOPE!


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 3:04 pm ET

@ laura hmmmmm, quite interesting 🙂


Laura   August 25th, 2009 3:08 pm ET

I don't want to my hopes up that MJ is still alive, but I find myself doing it anyway. None of this makes any sense. I am so confused 😦
Why would anyone be jumping out of the back of a coroner's van? I don't get that.


Becky   August 25th, 2009 3:09 pm ET

hi every one such a sad day


snuggy   August 25th, 2009 3:09 pm ET

I wouldn't rule out The Informer just yet. This video is chilling.


sarah   August 25th, 2009 3:11 pm ET

i thought they transported MJ body to the coroner via helicopter ......

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!!!PEACE


Laura   August 25th, 2009 3:11 pm ET

I wish The Informer would come back...


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 3:12 pm ET

@ Laura....I had to watch this at least 6 times so far.....really gives me chills.....could it really be??? The Informer.....please...we need some answers...:)


snuggy   August 25th, 2009 3:12 pm ET

Laura, maybe he will shoot up in a cloud of smoke at the tribute concert!!


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 3:14 pm ET

We don't really know that it was truely Michael on that strecher being loaded into the helicopter.....


Laura   August 25th, 2009 3:17 pm ET

If he is still alive, then how could he just "show up" somewhere? That would be one of the best days of my life though 🙂


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 3:19 pm ET

snuggy-you´re such a teaser !


Toni   August 25th, 2009 3:20 pm ET

This is really getting crazy and chilling.


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 3:20 pm ET

@ The Informer...PLEASE...we need you 🙂


sarah   August 25th, 2009 3:20 pm ET

same here Laura .... 🙂

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!! PEACE!!!


Lori   August 25th, 2009 3:21 pm ET

If Michael were still alive, then what would be the point of all the investigations being conducted by the LA PD, the California AG, the DEA and all the other alphabet agencies? They would not be doing so much work unless they were convinced crimes had occured.


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 3:21 pm ET

KEEP THE FAITH!!!!


Toni   August 25th, 2009 3:22 pm ET

But you know what girls, If this is so, it could be a very dangerous situation for certain parties involved, so we need to be careful and a little discrete.......do you know what Im trying to say?


Lori   August 25th, 2009 3:22 pm ET

What does that video show? Could be anything.


snuggy   August 25th, 2009 3:23 pm ET

well if he can just disappear maybe he can just show back up. VERY tricky but possible!


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 3:24 pm ET

@ Toni Absolutely !!!!!


snuggy   August 25th, 2009 3:24 pm ET

Toni's right


Laura   August 25th, 2009 3:24 pm ET

Lori,

I know! My logical mind says he is gone...but I can hope against hope can't I? None of this makes any sense what-so-ever.


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 3:26 pm ET

Nothing has made sense since JUNE 25


sarah   August 25th, 2009 3:26 pm ET

i agree TONI

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!!! PEACE!!!


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 3:27 pm ET

keep praying girls........


Becky   August 25th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

Hi Laura
I just saw the vidoe Im sure its a fake


Lynn   August 25th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

OK–This Informer stuff- If anything had been normal to date in this series of events and this investigation, i for one would not have EVER given the informer a second thought BUT NOTHING about this has been normal from day 1!!!

Lets review-What do we actually have that has been a CONFIRMED report??? I dont believe that we have ANYTHING that has actually been confirmed. Please correct me if I am wrong.

EVERYTHING that we get is speculation, unconfirmed, leaks, annonomous, no comments, "source close to" etc????

All i can say is WTF??

Hi Everybody 🙂


Tina (Germany)   August 25th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

People please, please don't believe those sick people out there that construct hoax stories about MJ still alive. They do that on purpose, do not let this tragedy become another running joke like Elvis. That is all they want, to make jokes about your sadness and you can be sure they sit in front of their PC's having a blast seeing your answers and your confusion. Deep inside you all know that in no way he would have been able to do that. He wasn't even able to buy a book wrapped like a mummy without half of the world knowing it.


Lori   August 25th, 2009 3:31 pm ET

We have to protect our hearts. 🙂 We all want him alive and well. But it is not logical. Falling into that trap (the hoax death) will only lead to more despair and prolonged grieving.


Becky   August 25th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

yes I will say I feel like a BIG FOOL FOR BELIVING IN THE INFORMER


Lora Ottawa Canada   August 25th, 2009 3:33 pm ET

Why could they use a coroner's van to do a hoax video?


Becky   August 25th, 2009 3:35 pm ET

ITS AMAZING WHAT [EO[LE WILL DO LORA


Tina (Germany)   August 25th, 2009 3:35 pm ET

They just bought some fat black letters, got someone with a white van, but the letters on it and end of story.


Laura   August 25th, 2009 3:37 pm ET

Lynn is right...NOTHING has been confirmed yet.
Do you think this "Death Hoax" is a hoax in itself (to keep people thinking that he's alive) would keep those people's focus off of who the real killers are??


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 3:37 pm ET

sandymjfan-right!

toni-right!


Lori   August 25th, 2009 3:38 pm ET

I know that this investigation has been one giant hot mess. But how could anyone pull off a stunt like this? The coronor's chief investigator has said they have been "investigating the death of Mr. Michael Jackson" I am sure they know the identity of the body they had in their morgue.

But I think one reason for all the confusion is the way the media is reporting it. And of course, all these bizarre characters that come forth seeking their own 15 minutes of fame.

This is not a simple case. But it will eventually unfold and a clearer picture will emerge. We should celebrate Michael's legacy, his genius and his contributions to the world. I am going to support the Jackson Family. I think that there are going to be multiple people that could be culpable in this matter. It should provide work for defense attorneys for quite some time.


snuggy   August 25th, 2009 3:38 pm ET

Katinka, you are so sweet.


Toni   August 25th, 2009 3:39 pm ET

Lori check your email.


Becky   August 25th, 2009 3:39 pm ET

sorry for the spelling mistakes lol Iam just so confused my heart aches more now we know are sweet Michael was killed


Lynn   August 25th, 2009 3:40 pm ET

Lori,

I agree, we do have to protect out hearts but I just fail to see how 2 months in and still nothing is confirmed. Supposedly MJ isin't even buried yet. WHY?? It just has me completely freaked out! I really just dont know what to think or say anymore.

Toni,
I agree with what you have above about it possibly being a VERY dangerous situation if by some miracle there is truth to it.

I dont think if it was done it was a publicity stunt, if it was done, it was done cause MJ and or kids and family in danger.


Lori   August 25th, 2009 3:40 pm ET

Hey Ms. Toni 🙂 you know that no one is going to take us Michael Jackson fans seriously, right? *wink *wink. They will just write us off as obsessed.


Tina (Germany)   August 25th, 2009 3:42 pm ET

This death hoax things are made up by people that have nothing better to do in their life than making fun of other people that are griefing and that have fun to get their 15 mins of anonymus fame, hidden behind a PC somewhere drinking coke and eating burgers and having an idiotic grin on their face.


Lynn   August 25th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

Laura,

Yeah, I have thought about that to. Maybe this Hoax stuff is intended to take the focus off the investigation and to keep bloggers from questioning, speculating and demanding justice for MJ.

Anything is possible at this point as far as I am concerned. I try my hardest to keep this informer stuff at bay in case that is the case. I want JUSTICE FOR MJ and RECOGNITION of all he has done for the world to remain my main goal until I KNOW otherwise for a fact.


Becky   August 25th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

Tina I agree to mant people dont want to believe Michael is gone YES I was one of them


Lori   August 25th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

Lynn – I am going to follow the lead of the Jackson Family on this. They are supporting the authorities. I am supporting the Jackson's, every last one of them. 🙂

I know it is taking a long time. 😦 I wish we did know something. And I hope we know something sooner, rather than later. But it took 2 years for charges in the Anna Nicole case and it took 10 years in the Elvis matter. So I am not going to hold my breath.

But if charges are ever brought, well I am of the opinion that they should all be tried and fried and collected and injected.


Anne   August 25th, 2009 3:55 pm ET

The Doctor must be held responsible. Even if Michael was addicted to various drugs, Ultimately the Doctor needs to say NO to the enabling and needs to stop enabling the patient. Doctor has an obligation to the patient and should be held responsible. He was the last one standing and also was the one with his hand out ($150,000.00) per month!!!! A
Responsible Doctor should have referred him to rehab and sought his family/friends cooperation. In the end Michael may have been thankful and alive!! Michael loved his kids and if he knew the outcome (in a clear thinking mind) he would have picked the children NOT drugs. Shame on the Doctor you should KNOW better!!!


Toni   August 25th, 2009 3:57 pm ET

Im just going to mourn Michael the best way I know how and support the Jackson family as well. We owe that much to Michael, Katherine and Michaels children. We have let this hoax stuff take us away from Michaels memory, which is what the people making the stuff want us to do. I really dont want to give them that satisfaction anymore.


Lynn   August 25th, 2009 3:57 pm ET

G-man said Sunday night that sometime early this week, The Jackson Family would be droping a bombshell. I have been very anxious to find out what that is but as far as I can tell...... Nothing so far!


Toni   August 25th, 2009 3:59 pm ET

Ive gotta go to work.Talk to you all later. 🙂


Lynn   August 25th, 2009 4:02 pm ET

Bye Toni


Lori   August 25th, 2009 4:09 pm ET

Later Toni –
see you tonight


Lisa S   August 25th, 2009 4:09 pm ET

bye toni


Lori   August 25th, 2009 4:12 pm ET

Lynn– I have been wondering what the Jackson Bombshell can be as well. So far a good idea has eluded me. It can't have anything to do with possible charges or a court case – its too soon.


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 4:14 pm ET

snuggy-thank you!


cherubijne   August 25th, 2009 4:16 pm ET

Maybe this is strange but for many years I can see when someone has only a short time to live...
This is very difficult for me to deal with.

Also with the death of Michael Jackson, this is based on what I have seen when he met the dancers and at the last rehearsel, (Youtube).
Means: For a period of 6 weeks before his death there was something in his system what would have killed him at last, but what???
In march of this year this was not the situation, based on seeing the 02 announcement.
It makes me really sad...

His music and lyrics are so beautiful, he was the special person, and there were so many things in life he could if only...but there was no time left...what is the reason? The TRUTH wil come out.


8080   August 25th, 2009 4:21 pm ET

The bombshell will be MJ is biological father of the children.
Paris has his same mole on the side of her face, and prince has one up higher by his eye, same side of face. Blanket speaks for himself.


Clary   August 25th, 2009 4:22 pm ET

Michael Jackson WAS MURDERED. The Doctor intentionally killed Michael Jackson look at the timeline.Doctor always gets MJ breakfast 9am, Doctor did not show up 9am strange? 3 hours before reporting Michael’s death? He was cleaning murdering? Michael’s security camera’s recorded his death and its HIDDEN GONE! Fresh needle marks on MJ’s neck time of death questioned.Doc lies on drug timeline also the type of Drugs he used any Doctor will know was to Kill MJ.


Lori   August 25th, 2009 4:22 pm ET

8080 - good idea. hope you are correct. But, then, I have always believed that.


Maria   August 25th, 2009 4:23 pm ET

Tina (Germany): you said it best. Nobody should fall for such "Elvis is alive" jokes.

Folks – go to youtube and type "Michael Jackson spotted alive", "Michael Jackson spotted" or "Michael Jackson ghost spotted". You'll understand that it's not the first hoax and it won't be the last. Get over it and stop wasting your time and emotions.
There are a lot of false "informers" on the net. And not only the ones like our "Make apoint", who exploit the death hoax topic. Some post videos, some post audio recordings, some are sending spam emails or create websites to spread spyware and malware, some create false MJ-themed sites and demand donations for fake charities, some buy Michael Jackson domain names and sell them on eBay. Some are making fun of the fans, some are really deluded, some are only exploiting the death of MJ to attract web traffic for their profit. Don't believe everything only because it's not on an official media outlet.


Laura   August 25th, 2009 4:24 pm ET

Well, I guess we just have to wait and see what happens. In the meantime, I will continue to cherish the man that Michael was, is and always will be! I will hope and pray that justice will be served as it was when he was acquitted and I will keep that 1% of hope that MJ is still alive 😉


sandymjfan   August 25th, 2009 4:24 pm ET

I have never doubted that those beautiful children are MJ biological children....NEVER


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 4:24 pm ET

I wish they would release "streetwalker" -I love this song!!!Just found it a few days ago on you tube and got me the BAD special edition right away-it´s so funky and groovy,just so...so... so michael!!!


Mila   August 25th, 2009 4:27 pm ET

Did you notice that the affidavit says Murray had Prince come upstairs ?

Another strange thing that the affidavit says is that Murray called Michael's personal assistant as soon as he found MJ not breathing and the assistant didn't show up – why wouldn't he ?

This is of course all Murray's version of the story.


ttw   August 25th, 2009 4:28 pm ET

Unfortunately I highly doubt that any dr that was giving Michael Jackson drugs including Dr Murray will spend 1 minute in jail. Infact, as horrible as it is, even if it is a true homicide I think this will just be chalked up to a medical 'oops' and the worst that any dr will get including Murray will be being stripped of their license to practice medicine.

Personally I think the LAPD and DAs office should build the best case they can and press charges and I hope that these charges stick, but, as I said above, highly unlikely.

If there is anything about this that might weigh in somewhat, I sure as hell wouldn't want to be known as the person that killed Michael Jackson!

Maybe someone will just linch Dr Murray and be done with it.


M. Aberra   August 25th, 2009 4:28 pm ET

The list is very very long....

Those lying, disgusting people that accused him of child molestation, people that betrayed him.....the idiot doctors ...but most of all let us not forget.....THE PRESS, THE MEDIA !!!!!!

and many more


Mila   August 25th, 2009 4:28 pm ET

Katinka,
talkign about songs – have you heard Fall Again – it's not a song that MJ wrote but oh, the way he sings it is magical


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   August 25th, 2009 4:30 pm ET

@Toni, even his family recognizes MJ had this problem, they even tried to interfere a couple of times, so why should you try to turn it around and do as if MJ did not have a problem?

As I said here before, we should be very careful about how we use this case as an example for our children. We should not look the other way, deny or simplify. Nobody will be served by that. It will substaain the abuse. no matter what the cause is.

It always hurts when a loved one has this problem, no matter what the cause is. But we should not pretend it is there. Even the Jackson family starts to accept it now and they need to do that in order to move on to the next stage: why was it and who helped him substain it?

@Lisa S,

Again, your story sounds very clear.


Mila   August 25th, 2009 4:33 pm ET

I think if TI shows up again he'll probably tell us that the affidavit is not inconsistent with his stunt story because he said the autopsy was done on a cadaver.


Laura   August 25th, 2009 4:33 pm ET

There is no proof that Michael was recently addicted to drugs.


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 4:34 pm ET

mila-no,I don´t know it-do you know which cd its on?
I´m thinking about going to the tribute in vienna-anyone else going?someone from germany-Tina?


Mila   August 25th, 2009 4:35 pm ET

BTW I talked to Peter Pan last night and I told him about the informer and how everyone went crazy when they heard the voice mail with MJ's voice. I don't think he wanted to hear it though.


Mila   August 25th, 2009 4:35 pm ET

The Ultimate Collection – you can find it on You Tube to begin with


Terry   August 25th, 2009 4:38 pm ET

Michael Jackson's OWN doctor caused his death? What a surprise! As Jay Leno would say; "you could have knocked me over with a feather" when I heared the news.


Lora Ottawa Canada   August 25th, 2009 4:39 pm ET

Mila

What do you mean he didn't want to hear it ....your story....or the voice mail?


rosegarden   August 25th, 2009 4:43 pm ET

There are so many to blame: started from Joe Jackosn's brutal training at the early age which impact MJ's complex & tragic life, his super mega star status that bought him tremendous pressure which he could not shake off from his shoulders, his enablers circle around him, the merciless media,his multi injuries from his works , worst were the two false allegations. It's no doubt that those episodes led to his addiction and went to deeper later. Especially the one of 05. After the 2nd trial, there were only sadness & despair on his face which I dare not take a second glare on it, my heart totally torn by those pictures in paper or tv. Of course, the doctors, and some we may never known.
Finally, MJ himself. I believe he had good friends tried to intervened but failed. I remembered read in some where after he dead that a rabbi who was a best friend of him for years, tried to give him some advice after so many negative in public. He said MJ never raised voice or mad with friends but he was silence and didn't talk to him after listening. Later on that day, his manager told him that," You know Michael was an unusual person, so you need to accept his unusual behaviors." The rabbi said obviously, MJ didn't like critic from him, ever since he didn't talk with him that much. Same as his family, they tired to help but couldn't reach out to help.
Some times I don't want to analyze that much, it only drive me crazier and miss him more. Let's go to listen a crying voice from his heart,"Morphine".


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 4:44 pm ET

thanx for the info mila!


Mila   August 25th, 2009 4:45 pm ET

I think he's just fed up with people implying and asking him if he was MJ so he just said "why you telling me this ?" and when i explained why he didn't answer anything.

Anyway I invited him to join us here if he'd like to.


snuggy   August 25th, 2009 4:46 pm ET

Does someone have the link to the voicemail?


Jacquelyn   August 25th, 2009 4:47 pm ET

rosegarden

Joe is not at all to blame for what has happen to him right now. Michael got rid of Joe as manager which was his number one mistake. Once he did that here comes all the vultures that saw dollars signs especially after the pepsi commercial incident. Everybody said (his so-call friends) that they gave Michael advice. Yeah right. Some of the professionals could have alerted the medical profession and did various other things but they didnt. So whoever is coming out now about saying they did this are the same ones who are trying to have their 15 minutes of fame extended.


Luda   August 25th, 2009 4:49 pm ET

he said the autopsy was done on a cadaver
------

it's always done on a cadaver... lol

More seriously, TI pretends it's not MJ's dead body but.... what to believe!
All this is so confusing... and the Peter Pan friend of the Jackson family didn't answer you? is that what you're saying?


Cocovelvet   August 25th, 2009 4:50 pm ET

Katinka and Tina from Germany,

Abend Ihr zwei.

I've been thinking I'm probably the only one who might be causing some kind of incoviniences at home watching only CNN and BBC news coz the kind of biased news which one is able to see daily in the media here is unbelievable. I am also living here in Germany and i don't even have to guess so much why people like me and probably you two are even blogging here; FAIRENESS IN LIFE.

Really, why should we be draining ourselves of energy to think who these " they " are !!!???. This in the first place is a whole range of a group of people who probably have been grouping and organising themselves towards this conspiracy towards MJ for some years now. A few of them have already been exposed as is the case, but I think we are still going to hear more coming up as the events of the mess continues ; Murray, Klein, Metzger, Tohme Tohme, Mottola, Phillips are just a tip of the iceberg as a few of the names which have already raised enough eyebrows. I think some names in the near future are even going to come up as a big surprise to everyone.


Mila   August 25th, 2009 4:54 pm ET

Sorry, Lora, I didn't answer your question – I meant he didn't seem to want to hear the story


Cocovelvet   August 25th, 2009 4:56 pm ET

Hi Katinka,

Are you serious you're going to Vienna ???? I definately would like to go there, actually last week when the ticket sales started, I wanted already to get a ticket but I stopped firstly coz I heard the confirmation for the artists is not yet out, and mainly coz I didn't know anyone who wanted to go. I am definately ready to go. Where are you living ?? I am living in Köln.


Mila   August 25th, 2009 5:00 pm ET

He didn't answer me anything much other than yes, no and ok but he's saying it clearly on his blog that there is no hoax (as far as he's concerned)

And it's not to ignore that he's written at the end of July – 2 weeks after he's got the voice mail. So it doesn't seem like the voice mail gave him hopes for anything.

I don't think he's friends with the family though – just a famous fan.


Brigida, Italy   August 25th, 2009 5:04 pm ET

good afternoon/evening to all 🙂

I was lost since yesterday. To much to stay behind and read all blogs...
And I was lost in the net, watching videos and articles and now I'm more confused than ever. All theories are contrarian to the others, anyone tells something and 5 minutes later there's another fact (or lie).
Heard on CNN right now that Murray wouldn't go to prison for the US-laws, he risks only his license. Good deal! So if it is the truth that he was asked to murder Michael he takes a lot of money (think so) and go ahead with his life. Very good deal. (insert bad word here)

to the german ladies:
habt ihr mal im Ioff.de geschaut? Medien-Top-Themen und dann Yellow Press – Die Welt nimmt Abschied von MJ und MJ, wer war schuld. Ich könnte Verstärkung brauchen und was ich da schreibe, kann ich auf englisch nicht. Hab heute eine wilde Theorie aufgestellt und bin gespannt auf die Reaktionen. Die hauen mich! 😉 )

Pardon for writing in german, sometimes my english is not enough.


Cynobia   August 25th, 2009 5:04 pm ET

WHO KILLED MICHAEL? lets start with the media who ripped him apart everyday for ratings and profit. The vultures such as the parents who got their children to lie about him ,in the mission to get money out of him. The doctors who give him ridiculous amounts of drugs over and over again. And last but not least Mr. Murray. It is just a shame Michael didn't know how much the world loved him, or how much they would miss him
: (


Lora Ottawa Canada   August 25th, 2009 5:05 pm ET

Mila

If you look in his friends that are following him MJ's nephews are there, Janet, etc.


Becky   August 25th, 2009 5:06 pm ET

OMG LOL I CANT JUMP FROM BLOG TO BLOG WHAT BLOG WILL EVERY ONE BE ON


Tina (Germany)   August 25th, 2009 5:09 pm ET

I was thinking about going to "Wien" but I don't know what to think about it and I don't know if I really want to see others sing that songs. Sounds weird? Well, I really don't know, but I think I prefer to keep the concerts in mind that I saw in the 80th and 90th.


Mila   August 25th, 2009 5:10 pm ET

Do you mean in twitter ?
Cause in MySpace who's in your friends list means nothing – celebrities seem to approve all add requests. I also have Lisa Marie Presley in my friends list but that doesn't mean she even knows about my existence.


Tina (Germany)   August 25th, 2009 5:15 pm ET

Brigida Italy is international hihi posting on CNN, having Italy behind her name and talking german to us. *grin* No I did not look on this side yet, maybe I will tomorrow. To many information for one old brain.


Brigida, Italy   August 25th, 2009 5:17 pm ET

I forgot two points...

1. TI surely will not come back here. His game seems over. What can s/he say more?

2. If we can ever get the truth, it will come out only from members of Jackson family, like LaToya. She said that the world should know it and in this I believe her. She will not stay in silence knowing what happened.

For the Vienna concert... I also have great doubts about it. Even if Larry King support it, it's all a little bit strange. When will they give us the performers list? Who will be there? I'm sure, if this will be a success, they will bring out a DVD and we can buy it. Better, if also this earnings go partly to charities.


Lora Ottawa Canada   August 25th, 2009 5:21 pm ET

I emailed The Tribute Site and they answered me.

I wanted to know if the concert would be broadcast worldwide, since I am in travel status then, and hope to watch it from wherever I am.

They replied the concert is a go and that the concert will be broacast worlwide and that the names of the TV stations will be put on their website in 2 days. Also the names of the performers will be added also.


sarah   August 25th, 2009 5:21 pm ET

can someone explain what TI said, i miss that part, are TI and INFORMER same person or one trying to be other......

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!!! PEACE!!


Mila   August 25th, 2009 5:21 pm ET

The Vienna tribute seems like a promo compaign for Larry, his wife and their charity organization run by his son. I have nothing against any of them but this tribute is supposed to be about Michael not about Larry – why would they ignore all charities tha Michael used to support and give the money to causes Michael had nothing to do with.


sarah   August 25th, 2009 5:22 pm ET

also what is Tribute vienna concert site ???

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!!PEACE!!


Lora Ottawa Canada   August 25th, 2009 5:22 pm ET

Personally I hope it's a lot of MJ's family members who perform.....they are all so talented.....his nephes 3T sing beautifully, LaToya, Janet and all the brothers. I am sure some big stars will be there.


Mila   August 25th, 2009 5:22 pm ET

Sarah – yes we started using TI instead of the informer in order to draw less attention.


Becky   August 25th, 2009 5:23 pm ET

I agree with you Itaiy the informer will not come back I just feel like an ass for beilving in this person


sherry   August 25th, 2009 5:25 pm ET

so many questions still


Mila   August 25th, 2009 5:26 pm ET

That guy was addictive like an MJ song.
I don't know if I'm so heartbroken today because I believed him but I think – not.


Mila   August 25th, 2009 5:31 pm ET

I didn't like Jermaine's singing – both times he sang Smile he got the lyrics wrong.
And LaToya's song in memory of Michael is a joke "Miss you, Joker"

Janet has some good songs but the Jackson 5 without Michael ...


Becky   August 25th, 2009 5:33 pm ET

good idea Mila TI LOL


Becky   August 25th, 2009 5:36 pm ET

OOMG JOLLY YOU ARE NOT NICE AT ALL


Fran   August 25th, 2009 5:36 pm ET

1.Get Michael Jackson hooked up on drugs for control and profit.

Result: He will lose the ability to think, reason, discern and judge properly

2. Make Michael pay to get any kind of sleep, whereas we sleep for free, he has to pay.

Result: Steady stream of dollars both for the doctor's and the pharmacy.

3.Give Michael a new face and create a disease for him.

Result: Another constant stream of income for touch ups here and there, plus additional drugs.

4. Donate sperm and egg to Michael, with hopes that if he dies, one gets a high percentage of his estate, or some claim to it as a result of being declared the biological father and mother. If nothing else the children may help the biological parent upon turning eighteen. Sperm and egg came from a doctor and his nurse.

Result: Make a claim for custody. I heard that Dr. Klein did just this!

5. After creating years of addiction and soaking him dry financially, force Michael to seek care from another doctor. The long term physician knows that Michael's living time is short therefore to take suspicion away from the true cause and creator of his addiction, force Michael to see someone else to hit the last nail on the coffin.

Result: Michael was under the care of another doctor (for less than three months). Another and the lastest physician becomes the fall guy.

6. It was said that Michael Jackson was worth more dead than alive.

Result: Case Closed

It was said that Dr. Klein refused to turn over his medical reports on Michael Jackson. Further, on Larry King yesterday, Dr. Deepok said that Dr. Murray who was on the scene at Michael's death is NOT the doctor who ordered the prescriptions that Dr. Murray administered!


Mila   August 25th, 2009 5:38 pm ET

Hi Gerald, you never replied to my message yesterday.


jacqueline from holland   August 25th, 2009 5:46 pm ET

hi evryone
im folowing the blogs now for a few weeks now there are more questions than answers where are the the friends from mj miko
liz taylor and all the others why they dont speak
all i here is dr this dr that i wanna now how they feel


Anthony   August 25th, 2009 5:57 pm ET

sandymjfan

Love that video. Michael really did cared and gave back to the artists that came before him.


rosegarden   August 25th, 2009 5:57 pm ET

Jacquelyn, I didn't mean Joe played all blame, all the tragic episodes in MJ's life were part of his dead. But the early childhood experience contributed how we develop to become a being as an adult. A normal father would not let their children performed in adult clubs, along with holding his leg upside down and beat his head & back, threw him in the basement & at the wall and broke 3 of his ribs. Never hug him or said I love you. I didn't try to bash him, MJ forgot his father, that's not my business to disprove him. He lack of the love that he had long to be from his father. He was a lonely person even he was beloved by millions of us.
Remember Princess Diana? She gained the love from the whole world, but just one man-her husband.


Brigida, Italy   August 25th, 2009 5:57 pm ET

@tina
I'm german but live in Italy about 30 years.
But if you want, I can write also in italian or even spanish 😉

@becky
I did never believe this TI and I wrote him a message last week about it. Michael is/was not the kind of person to hide himself and let everything behind him. He also knew that every time, a big star/entertainer dies, several persons commit suicide and believe me, he never could live with this! Think about it if no other reason can convince you 🙂


LIL MEREDITH   August 25th, 2009 5:58 pm ET

Michael Jackson never should have died!! iIwill be happy when they lock that black doctor up!!


LIL MEREDITH   August 25th, 2009 6:01 pm ET

Michael jackson should have never died, I will be happy when they lock that black doctor up!


Anthony   August 25th, 2009 6:03 pm ET

Michael Jackson was like Mozart. It's a honor to just be living in the same era of this great entertainer.


Lora Ottawa Canada   August 25th, 2009 6:03 pm ET

Brigida

You are so right, MJ would never forgive himself if fans committed suicide and some did.....tragic!


Laura   August 25th, 2009 6:12 pm ET

Gerald...Jealous?


Becky   August 25th, 2009 6:18 pm ET

lol @Diana


Mila   August 25th, 2009 6:27 pm ET

The death hoax rumors finally made the news in TMZ .. lol


Sheletta   August 25th, 2009 6:29 pm ET

Hey take your pick, we know Dr Murray was one of the people and the other well you can take your pick from AEG, Sony, Tohme, Klein, and list may be longer. No one really wanted Michael Jackson around, even told a friend I beleive Gregory, that they were trying to kill him. But as it seem no one took Michael serious. They just thought Michael was Michael. What should had happen is that someone should had took a closer look at the people in his camp. Instead his cry for help was ignored. This is so sad when a famous artists like Michael Jackson get's look over as if he is crazy. But the Media's is quick to call him an addict. Now is that the kettle calling the pot black with even checking out what's going down.


Anthony   August 25th, 2009 6:34 pm ET

The ET news desk has the latest on the Michael Jackson tribute being planned by his brother, Tito Jackson.

A rep for the singer tells ET that Tito will be performing in the U.S. Virgin Islands on what was to be Michael's 51st birthday. Michael was originally going to buried on that date.

"With Michael Jackson's burial now being switched to September 3, his brother Tito will be celebrating MJ's 51st birthday with a tribute concert in St. Thomas in the U.S. Virgin Islands this Saturday, August 29," his rep says. "He will be performing Michael Jackson songs, as well as Jackson Five hits. Marlon Jackson will also attend the concert, which will benefit the Reichhold Center For The Arts at the University of the Virgin Islands."


Lora Ottawa Canada   August 25th, 2009 6:57 pm ET

goodnight all.....will catch up tomorrow to see if THE INFORMER showed up! He He!


Becky   August 25th, 2009 7:02 pm ET

good night Lora and dont count on it lol


Luda   August 25th, 2009 7:07 pm ET

Diane in Minneapolis,

LOL


Luda   August 25th, 2009 7:12 pm ET

NOTHING about this has been normal from day 1!!!
------–

Lynn,

That maybe the proof The Informer is right... LOL !


Sheletta   August 25th, 2009 7:13 pm ET

I see that some of us at pointing fingers again. Michael had a problem back in the early 1993, of prescription painkillers, due to so many procedure that happen from the pepsi commericial. That is how all this begins. He got help, but he had a sleeping problem which some of us do,m including myself. The doctors prescribed meds to help him sleep. Now, apparently, some down in the past or present had to introduce this "Milk" to Michael, he just did not go up and demand it. So, while people are pointing fingers you need to look at who started giving this mess to Michael, , and again Michael could not walk in a pharmacy and purchase the "MILK" himself, he had not license dea number that is require to get this. It was said the Dr Murray personally purchase the Propofol himself, day's before Michael death. So I guess he made the Murray go and purchase this drug ah? Murray knew damn well what he was doing and changing his story every five mins., it not good enought.

Any doctor in their right mind would had seem a problem, if he felt Michael may becoming addicted to this drip drug, he should had call in for re enforcement. Murray, had greed in his eyes, and not Michael's best interest. So, you people who beleive that Michael demanded Murray give him all these drugs so he could not wake up again need to really look at things. If Murray felt Michael was in danger he should had not given him anything. Murray is suppose to save lives not take them away.

Yes, Michael was a demanding person, but you cannot tell me that this Dr was scare to sat NO, to the king of pop. He rather loose his license then to denial Michael Jackson something to sleep. As I stated before some of us suffer the same thing as Michael lack of sleep. I've been up since Yesterday morning and still no sleep. I could had been sleep if I take the sedatives that are prescribe to me. I choose not too because it makes you high to an extent before knocking you out and you sleep for hours let's say 8-12 hours. So, the question I would like to know, if and when he was giving Michael all these so called sedatives, how wa Michael able to function at rehearsal, even having lunch with his kids, the answer is you can't. So I really wish people would stop staying he was addicted to propofol, because I am hearing that you cannot, and to do the things Michael had on his agenda would had been hard as hell.

I can't say he was addicted to anything, because I was not there to see any of this take place and neither was others. Only reason that people continue to call Michael an addict is because the Media's is planting this and continue to detroy Michael's image even in death. Which is truely a dong shame. Michael is not here to defend himself and everyone who know all about what went down, is nowing cashing in oh his death. God, is not finish yet more heads will turn and pay for all that they have done to make sure Michael was not here to control what they was after all along the Beattle catolog. Now, these same people are happy and getting ready to cash in.


Patty Anderson   August 25th, 2009 7:14 pm ET

Hi everyone. Should we make a list on who had the dibs on this one. Murrray, Klein. AEG and so forth. Who killed hi,m? MURRAY the creep.
Looks like you ladies have had a busy day. Still catching up


Becky   August 25th, 2009 7:25 pm ET

Luda what do you mean the informer is right? lol


Lynn   August 25th, 2009 7:37 pm ET

Luda,

I'm glad you noticed too, when the white coats carry me off, I dont want to be alone in the asylum 🙂 LOL

Hi Patty!


Alicia   August 25th, 2009 7:47 pm ET

To SPIRIT, you said it all, made me cry, but you are so right. I loved what you said. Thank you
Alicia from Hawaii


Patty Anderson   August 25th, 2009 7:51 pm ET

Hi Lynn how is everyone this evening? There's soooooo much to read on these blogs today.


Brigida, Italy   August 25th, 2009 7:52 pm ET

May I come with you? I'm also ready for the white jacket 🙂
Wish you a very nice evening/night!
There are two new blogs here and I better go to sleep. Have to work tomorrow morning and don't want to seem a ghost then!


Lynn   August 25th, 2009 7:54 pm ET

Patty there sure is! One thing is for sure, its definately getting crazier! Just when we thought it couldn't happen 🙂


Lynn   August 25th, 2009 7:55 pm ET

Brigida, Italy

By the time this is over, we will probably have a wagon full! LOL

Have a good night!


Susan   August 25th, 2009 8:09 pm ET

LOL. Maybe TI is a photographer also from what I've seen on that TMZ video. The only reason someone would use a double of MJ to film the coroner van exit would be people to keep the hoax going on. With hoax people (video), they sell their stuff to the media to make money.

I'm still hung up on TI's statement that the autopsy was performed on a cadaver. You can't put diprivan and pills into a dead body. This is where the TI was a fake.

Lori.......I'm anxious to see what the Jackson Family "bombshell" is going to be too.

Lisa S.....agree with your points made at 12:58 and 1:10. I'm sick of hearing everyone guessing who's guilty. I also hope Murrarys trial is televised like they did with the O.J. Simpson trial.


sherry   August 25th, 2009 8:11 pm ET

Susan,

wha tfamily bombshell??????????????????????????????


Gloria   August 25th, 2009 8:14 pm ET

Hi all: ) Luda, Patty Anderson, Lynn: I saw the footage of MJ getting out of the coroner's van on youtube... any comments? I am wondering if TI is now gone into the video production business?
MJ talking about illusions.... just a thought....
I am not going to be on very long this evening, because I have to let my mind rest, all these timeline thoughts about the Doctor and the phone calls he made, makes my head hurt and my heart ache, if he just let MJ fade away... he should be hung... His attorneys are saying that he never gave the police those timelines... but none of this stuff adds up, why would he refuse to sign the death certificate? It all makes no sense... wish I were a fly on the wall to those in "the know"....


Gloria   August 25th, 2009 8:17 pm ET

Susan: I guess "inquiring minds" think alike.... just read your recent post, mine says almost the same things.... LOL


Susan   August 25th, 2009 8:17 pm ET

In the American Dream movie, I noticed the scene when MJ was playing with the rat. The house is quiet and everyone is asleep except MJ. Also about 3/4's through the movie there is a scene where MJ and Katherine are talking and he says "I can't sleep". It appears that MJ has had sleeping problems in his younger years as well. I've considered the theory that MJ may have been bi-polar. The person I credit for being the only and most help in MJ's life is Elizabeth Taylor.


Jacquelyn   August 25th, 2009 8:18 pm ET

Susan

Autopsies are performed on dead people. That's the way it normally goes. Plus You can inject anything you want inside of a dead person.


Kate   August 25th, 2009 8:19 pm ET

This is what Ive been saying from the very beginning, as soon as I found out about Michaels death.!!! He was murdered and was afraid...according to an inner circle of people I know. He agreed to do 10 concerts... (IN March I beleive) he called his mother crying that he could not do that many concerts at 50 years old!!! The obvious deduction is that Dr, Murray was a pawn in this farce...controlled by the AEG / (possibly Sony) for his vast holdings of Sony music collections...HE WAS WORTH MORE DEAD THAN ALIVE...and Im tired of all this other BS...Michael was in extreme pain, of which I know something about, and at an anxiety level of which I can only imagine..off the charts!! He would not have readily agreed to do 50 CONCERTS for Gods SAKES...not at 50 years old!!!
Please people, wake up...I know the family has to know this....it will all have to come out..everyone who bought tickets for these concerts..get your money back, do not let AEG convince you to take a "MJ Commerative Book" or whatever they are offering. May the Peace and Many Blessings of God and Our "New" Angel Michael, help with all of our grief and especially watch over his children. I will never stop praying that the truth will come out.


Susan   August 25th, 2009 8:20 pm ET

Hi Gloria: Inquiring minds, we think alike...... we need to have coffee together huh? That would be fun.


Kate   August 25th, 2009 8:23 pm ET

Has anyone else heard what I said in my previous post at 819pm eastern???


sherry   August 25th, 2009 8:24 pm ET

Susan................

what family bomb shell are you refering to????


Susan   August 25th, 2009 8:24 pm ET

Jacquelyn: I respectfully disagree. You can inject a corpse with anything you want, but it's not going anywhere except a big lump under the skin. When the heart is stopped, the blood flow stops so drugs cannot disperse throughout the body.


Mila   August 25th, 2009 8:25 pm ET

I am currently reading the book Michael Jackson Conspiracy by A.Jones and in the forward for this book MJ's lawyer Tom Mesereau says that Michael had at some point of time signed his Power of Attorney to some German advisors.

Yesterday I saw a similar thing mentioned by Frank DiLeo on the Mysterious Man behind MJ footage – he said about Tohme – "Michael had given him his power"
He didn't say power of attorney – he stopped right there at power but I think that's what he meant.


Gloria   August 25th, 2009 8:25 pm ET

To those of you that were around when TI used to visit: Do you remember what time he usually made his/her appearances? If I recall it was usually about 10pm or so.... does anyone remember?
Would love to hear what TI has to say about the latest developments.... I am afraid that we won't hear from him/her again... too bad because it was kinda fun.... took my mind off of these other questions....


Susan   August 25th, 2009 8:26 pm ET

Hi Sherry: Someone on the blog posted that earlier today and on the blog last night. I don't know the media source they got it from. I'll try and research it and get back to you okay??


sherry   August 25th, 2009 8:28 pm ET

ok Susan!~
ty so much, Ive been reading all the posts.But until the last few days have finally waited to enter my opinion.......................its all so sad, Michael is so missed.


Gloria   August 25th, 2009 8:28 pm ET

On Geraldo at Large there was a statement made that "the Jackson's are going to drop a bombshell sometime this week..." that is all that Geraldo said... so, noone knows "what" the bombshell will be at this point in time... maybe that they are filing wrongful death lawsuits; who knows....


Mila   August 25th, 2009 8:30 pm ET

@Susan
Michael has talked about his sleeping problems many times and yes they start at a very young age.
In one interview he was saying that back in the time he still lived in his parents house he couldn't sleep and he would get up in the middle of the night and roam the streets searching for someone to talk to. He also said he was very lonely back then.

I've also heard him say how his father used to wake them up in the night to go and perform at private parties and clubs before that were famous.


Patty Anderson   August 25th, 2009 8:31 pm ET

Gloria i believe this person came on after I left. I asked who this person was last night.

Sheerry I believe it was posted somewhere yesterday that the family will be dropping a bombshell this week, but the comment didn't say what.

You know what though, I wonder if yesterday was the bombshell from the autopsy they had done themselves, just thought of that. Mmmm


Susan   August 25th, 2009 8:33 pm ET

Hi Gloria: I live on the west coast of the U.S. Same timeline as Los Angeles. I noticed that TI comes on anywhere between 7 p.m and sometimes stayed as long as 10 p.m. Right now it is 5:30 pm west coast time. Hope that helps.

Someone also posted the other day that Frank Dileo recently took a job with Sony. I have googled everywhere and can't find one article regarding that. Who ever posted that, if you could tell us your source. I'd love to read it. Tnx


sherry   August 25th, 2009 8:35 pm ET

I hope its not Jermaine again, not to be mean, I just got a bad taste in my mouth after the wholetribute concert thing, when the rest of the family hadn't agreed to it, and also the whole we can't find any info out on his charity ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,makes me sad, he seemes so sincere when he was interviewed on LKL at Neverland,,,,,,,,,,hope is wasn't tryin to get money off his brother


Gloria   August 25th, 2009 8:37 pm ET

Susan: I posted the link about DiLeo and Sony/ATV. I'll see if I can find it and post.
Patty: TY... Just wondering if he/she will ever show up again?
Let me see if I can find the DiLeo link... brb...


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 8:38 pm ET

cocovelvet-hope you still read this-sorry,went to see my neighbour and now its already 2:30-maybe you´ll read this tomorrow-at least I hope so.Kölle alaaf!!!I´m from Köln as well!!Now how funny is that?!Tina was talking about going to the kiosk the other day-I wonder if she´s from Cologne as well!!! I checked the site about the tribute-did you see the prices-omg...there is supposed to be a party to celebrate MJ´s birthday in the essigfabrik-but its not on saturday but on friday-I don´t know the peope who organise the party-I think they´re not from Köln but from Mannheim(at least one guy is as far as I remember)-15Euros at the Abendkasse as far as I remember-some impersonators are supposed to be there-if you consider going there just write me on any blog thats open tomorrow-I´ll find you!! I´m still considering going to vienna-but its sooo expensive-and its a 10 hour drive from here...I would have to work on that saturday,too,but maybe I could switch it...schlaf schön!!!


Jacquelyn   August 25th, 2009 8:42 pm ET

Susan

After a certain time frame yes you can. I mean as soon as the person dies


irene   August 25th, 2009 8:42 pm ET

Whats about these alleged BED SORES on MIchael?

THEORY, on when propofol started (?):

Perhaps Michael may have been so depressed at times during the trial – where he might started using more medication (then the ‘normal’ doses he ‘normally’ did)- just to be able to keep on going – that he spend a lot of days in bed indeed, while being sedated (too much). By whom was he sedated, back then? What doctors were around him during that time, that started it perhaps..? Who accepted to "just let him stay in bed...??.. for so long...".

Who knows more about this, but doesnt want to say / come forward (yet) out of their own guilt.
It might even be political / A police thing.

Consider this:

WHAT HAPPENED TO MICHAEL WHEN HE WAS ARRESTED…??

HE WAS MANHANDLED. He said this himself, during an interview in 2005 (If im correct). See you tube.

I Quote Michael: “my arm(s) is / are dislocated. IM IN PAIN ALL THE TIME”. (!!!!!)

“IT KEEPS ME FROM SLEEP AT NIGHT…..”

“I CANT SLEEP”

There are PICTURES (!) OF Michael, SHOWING THE BRUCES on his arms….? They’re big, swollen and BLUE….!!!!

Why was the police never questioned (were they??) about this….??

Like MIchael was questioned on the allegations made toward him…?

BOTTOM THOUGHT:

Who are the men – ‘police wise’ – that INVESTIGATE MICHAELS DEATH…?

ARE THEY THE SAME (from 5 years ago…..)….???

IS the LA POLICE AFRAID TO BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE TOO...?? And holding back information, for example..? Or manipulating it....?


Patty Anderson   August 25th, 2009 8:44 pm ET

Yes it is Gloria. I get emails from MJFC everyday. I love it.
In answer to your other question. I'm thinking all this hoax stuff is people with alot of time on there hands with vivid imaginations,
All I saw was black hair and a white shirt. that does not tell me it's Micheal.


lex   August 25th, 2009 8:45 pm ET

i heard dat michael would stay up all nite on ebay


Lori   August 25th, 2009 8:45 pm ET

Maybe The Informer will grace us with his presence now since the infamous MJ exiting the coronor's van video has surfaced today....
timing is interesting


Patty Anderson   August 25th, 2009 8:47 pm ET

Hi Lori. Don't get your hopes up. He seems to be MIA


Judy   August 25th, 2009 8:48 pm ET

Laura thank you for that video. It would be something if MJ has fooled all of us so he could have a private life and just raise his kids. I looked at the video from the helicopter and saw for the first time that the bag was moving. Has anyone else looked it and seen it too. Wouldn't the guy who opened up the back of the van noticed that someone was taking a picture. I think that "Dr" Tomehe is the devil himself.


Mila   August 25th, 2009 8:49 pm ET

Maybe we should hang in EBay too then – do they have a chat/blog there 🙂


Lori   August 25th, 2009 8:51 pm ET

Hey Jacquelyn, Lex, Patty, Gloria, et al.... 🙂


Jacquelyn   August 25th, 2009 8:52 pm ET

Hi Lori 🙂


Cocovelvet   August 25th, 2009 8:52 pm ET

Hi Katinka,

ich bin noch auf.........es gibt so viele zu lesen über MJ, und ich war beim TMZ website.
Am Freitag gibts auch eine tribute bei Neuschweinstein......habe ich eine flyer bekommen gestern in der stadt. Wollte da gehen.....vielleicht wir können da zusammen treffen and uns kennenlernen ????

Bis du noch auf ???.....


Susan   August 25th, 2009 8:52 pm ET

Hi Jacquelyn:

You know this already, but for the new bloggers that don't know what our last 2 blogs were all about, it may seem strange. I'll list out what the TI said on 8-13. TI explaining the hoax:

Last secret I will say. This is not a put on:
1. MJ was in the ambulance.
2. MJ was at UCLA
3. MJ was airlifted then switched with a cadaver before landing.
4. Autopsy performed on cadaver.
5. Private viewing was MJ.
6. Coffin was taken to memorial empty of course.
7. MJ made-up in disguise.
8. Death cert. stamped with date of the memorial.
______________

#3 and #4 are oxymorons. Cadaver/person would have to have diprivan and pills in system prior to dying. Does this mean the hoax team killed another human with the drugs in order to create a cadaver to reflect to a coroner what contents were in the blood, urine, skin, etc.?


Heidi   August 25th, 2009 8:54 pm ET

Evening everyone!


Patty Anderson   August 25th, 2009 8:57 pm ET

Hello Heidi how are you this evening


Lori   August 25th, 2009 8:57 pm ET

Susan–

Maybe the Informer simply mispoke and meant to say that the autopsy was performed on a different body - maybe a Michael Jackson double?


Lori   August 25th, 2009 8:58 pm ET

Hey Hedi–


Jacquelyn   August 25th, 2009 8:58 pm ET

Susan

Hmmmm, I dont think they will kill another human being to make this hoax thing go as plan. I would hope not anyway.


Heidi   August 25th, 2009 8:58 pm ET

A kittle better – Where is the Informer!
How are you Patty?


Heidi   August 25th, 2009 8:59 pm ET

Hey Lori,

How are you?


Mila   August 25th, 2009 9:01 pm ET

Anything is possible and any stunt could be pulled off – especially with appropriate bribes at critical points but I have 2 major issues with the story TI was telling:

1) He said the old man at the memorial serice was wearing a see-through glove – and he wasn't (there's a good picture of him on mjjpictures)

2) He said the hoax was a publicity stunt – I can't imagine MJ doing that for publicity and what is worse letting people know it was just for publicity after he's seen how the fans reacted to it


Mila   August 25th, 2009 9:03 pm ET

The only thing that made me listen to TI was that he knew the funeral was not going to happen on 8/29 beforehand – but like Lori said he may have just gotten lucky there


Susan   August 25th, 2009 9:04 pm ET

Gloria: Thank you for your posts.

Jacquelyn: How long does a heart beat after you are dead? Liquid shots can disperse in the body soon and pills take a longer to get into the organs. I'm not a coroner nor watched someone die, so I'm not an expert on this. I'll check out some medical site later tonight and find out.


Mary U from Ohio   August 25th, 2009 9:06 pm ET

what i think is somehow someone found out that they were out to murder Michael… so when he was at rehearsal they planted a drug that they new that would slow down Michael’s Heart and Breathing long enough til the ambulance would arrive at his home … then the Paramedic gave him something to being him out… at the hospital they made sure he was OK… They had to play all this out so they could bring down the ones that were planing to murder him… If Life insurance was in place.. this makes sense… this is the other theory


Jacquelyn   August 25th, 2009 9:07 pm ET

Susan

I am not talking about the pills. As the person lays dying and just moments after all the organs totally fails. Then you are able to inject them.


sherry   August 25th, 2009 9:07 pm ET

I dont think he's still alive he wouldn't do that to his kids


Mary U from Ohio   August 25th, 2009 9:09 pm ET

I wonder if all this wasn’t Planted at Michael’s House when he was at Rehearsal. Didn’t Dr.Murray Gave him a pill then told Michael it was this certain pill and gave him something else…How is this person going to know about all the Perscriptions unless He/She was involved.

Plus the Insurance doubles on a murder…


rich sottilaro   August 25th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

DId everyone else see the list of drugs this guy was taking and forceably
to the objection to everyone around him??? Why are doctors to blame??When was Michael as a parent responsible for his own life?? Where were his family members during this down slid?? We know where Joe was he was making money!! Does anyone remember Elvis??
Same result different person!! While the doctors might be accomplishes in this it falls right in Michael's lap. As a parent he should have gotten the right help and not become a junkie!!

rich


Mary U from Ohio   August 25th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

To protect Michael...You have to do this...to protect all parties....This has been done before...Michael said.. They are killing me..


Canadian-Sandy   August 25th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

Good Evening.

Just catching up on the blogs.

Feeling all depressed again like when we first heard.


Mary U from Ohio   August 25th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

The video shown.. This could be from the informer....Himself....this could be why all the delays til they had all the people to go after wanting to harm Michael.


Canadian-Sandy   August 25th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

OK so, where is Jacquelyn's Blog????


Mila   August 25th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Rich, you need to understand that there is a difference between being addicted to street drugs and being addicted to prescription drugs.

With street drugs you don't need them at first and you start taking them to feel good and then get addicted – you can go to rehab, get rid of the addiction and then you back to your start point where you didn't need the drugs.

With prescription drugs the difference is that you needed the drugs to begin with and the more you were taking the less they were helping you. You can go to rehab but when you're clear of the addiction you'll still have all the pain or insomnia issues that you started with.
For what we know MJ had multiple health issues causing his constant pain and that's why he needed the medicines.

What I'm appalled at is that neither of his doctors tried or was able to cure the source of his pain so that he woulnd't need any drugs for it any more.


Mila   August 25th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Canadian-Sandy,
I feel exactly the same way.

Do you think it's because we got our hopes high with the informer being around and now we see no light at the end of the tunnel ?

I think not. I think that I'm so depressed because what was done to MJ was really monsterous – talking about the list of drug which was reported yesterday.

What do you think ?


Katinka from germany   August 25th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

cocovelvet-are you still here?


Gloria   August 25th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Hi to Lori and Heidi:
The only thing that kept me listening to TI was twofold; he knew the funeral wasn't taking place on the date first announced; and,
(don't know if anyone saw this story) police in Florida set up a sting for a woman who contracted a murder on her husband (only the hit man was an officer) and, with that being said, I thought in my mind that maybe this whole thing might have been a "sting" to set up all the LaLa Land Dr. Feel Good's that are dispensing all these meds to people, especially celebrities.... those were just my thoughts at the time TI was on the blog... because he mentioned that the publicity stunt got out of hand when MJ's aliases were discovered... so, that's when I thought about the "sting" theory.... JMO


Canadian-Sandy   August 25th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

You can get addicted to oxycontine in 2 weeks.

I personally know medical docs that have had pain issues and been addicted. They had to go to rehab.

If M.J. did suffer from Lupus as we have heard, it is an auto-immune disease that can present with a lot of pain.


Canadian-Sandy   August 25th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

@ Mila

I don't think it's the Informer not being around.

I just think his loss is so big that it's going to take a while.


Gene   August 25th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Answer to me question. you feeling that dcotor murray haveing any out of thiese sotires he tells.
sayeing to hopsital he only to give MJ 1 drug. thiese is why hopsital haveing to working on MJ beacuse they donot kow what truth story is. phone into home not to be work. tells to his attnorey oter storys. now propnol stories comeing out. he acuses cherlyn now. he acuses oter dcotor now. so on and on. I am not listed all what he doing. you thinking beacuse he not tell to the truth every thing stalling on how to finding why MJ death into hopsital and to coroner.. --– I am to watcheing HLN today. they sayeing same thing what I am sayeing last nights about thiese animals and propnol. never to think about NEVERLAND ZOO. only to think aobut horse and who is owns thiese horse. I am thinking here tv people they are to readeing thiese things in here for truths from us.


Patty Anderson   August 25th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

Hi Gene so you were watching that also. I couldn't believe he said that.
That is not why Micheal had the zoo at Neverland. These news people sometimes. I don't know???


Heidi   August 25th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

HI Gloria,

Good point...something happen Michael wouldn't do this for a publicity stunt.
I just want some answers.


Canadian-Sandy   August 25th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

I was really surprised about the meds that they were giving Michael.

Everyone was talking about Demerol/ pain meds but these were anti-depressants/ anxyolitic drugs.

The fact that he gave Michael so many meds in such a short period of time is very scary.

But then again, is Dr Murray telling the TRUTH????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!


Bella   August 25th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

Who is going to believe that it's 25mg of Propofol? He could have pumped lots, for Michael to die so quickly.

What sort of Dr. would treat an insomina patient like that? It's like an execution.


sherry   August 25th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

I agree with you Heidi


sherry   August 25th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

What do you all think about Jermaine right now? with the tribute concert?????


Heidi   August 25th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

Sherry,
I don't know right now. If he was going to give to Michael's charities then I would feel differently. I think Jermaine forgot that he is doing this for Michael.


Gene   August 25th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Answer me to thiese.
dr. never to call 911. say no phone-lie not kow address-lie. 911 comeing dr. never is to say stop to breath long times agao-lie.not tells to 911 what he be give to MJ-lie. tell to hopsital giveing 1 drug-lie. attonrey sayeing dr. never to giveing anything should not to be death-lie. dr. sayeing he is dcotor not licesne for medicanal-lie. licesnes expire-lie. never to paid hes bills. never to hes children support. never pay to house. never pay to oter things. all lie. he thinking we espect to believes him now from the youtubes? NO ! his fault all over. he never to telleing all what he is doing to MJ makeing workeing more hard for to investgate. beacuse dcotor never tell to hopsital. they giveing MJ oter drug mabye wrong drug. makeing problem worst. why dcotor not into jail right now. why. he is not very good liyers. not accindet when so many lie comeing out n ow.


sherry   August 25th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

yeah, Heidi, when he went on LKL,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it was built up to be a big fund raiser,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,it makes it seem so tainted now


sherry   August 25th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

wow,,,,,,,,Mila,so heal the world foundation is not the orig. that Michael Jackson started??


sherry   August 25th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Photo Essay

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No Final Word On Jackson's Burial
(CBS) Written by CBS News investigative producer Laura Strickler.

CBS News has learned that a charity claiming to be affiliated with Michael Jackson has no connection to his estate.

In the days after Michael Jackson’s death there were numerous news references to the ongoing charitable work of his “Heal the World Foundation”. However Jackson’s charity officially closed its doors in 2004.


Gene   August 25th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

sorry. I am listen to nancy grace. men sayeing about that men who kill to his wife. he say when use onto the belt on neck. air cut off 10 to 15 seocnds. Ok. same thing onto propnol. not giveing air when MJ not to breath. breath goes fast. everything to stoppeing. dcotor leaves 2 minutes. then wait so long time call to the 911. then not tell to hopsital what he to giveing MJ more waiting. I am to thinkeing who the person is who to pick him up mabye they giveing dcotor the moenys thank yous. goodbyes. job finis. YES! I am madder all agian. --–


Susan   August 25th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Hi Jacquelyn:

You said "just after the organs fail, then you are able to inject them".

The organs fail due to lack of blood and oxygen (heart/lungs). I am considering the drugs & diprivan in a fake corpse (not MJ). If that preliminary warrant is correct regarding the coroner findings and MJ were still alive per TI, then the fake corpse had to have these drugs in the body also. Say, the dying corpse was on its last breath and to inject diprivan the second it died, then that would be murder.

Yes, TI could have tripped up in what he/she was saying that night, but if not, then in my eyes that revealed that TI was a fake.

So complicated. I wished the trial would start so we had more answers.


Susan   August 25th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

Here's another thing I'm confused on. Jermaine said that Tohme was in MJ's room helping with CPR. Tohme is totally denying that. Do you think Jermaine got the doctors names mixed up?


Gloria   August 25th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

Just as a courtesy: Goodnight to all you bloggers.... hope to catch up tomorrow after work.... Carry on!!!!
Gloria from Pittsburgh


sherry   August 25th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

See,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,somethingsup there Susan,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,thereare so many things that just dont make sence,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,I dont think Jermaine had anything to do with Michaels death,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,but we dont know the whole story about what went on when Michael died


Heidi   August 25th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

Susan,

Where did you hear that?
But I do want to know why that bast-d was at the hospital after Michael had fired him.


sherry   August 25th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

read this carefully,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he helped educate against drug and alcohol abuse too!~

The original Heal the World Foundation was a charitable organization founded by entertainer Michael Jackson in 1992. The foundation's creation was inspired by his charitable single of the same name. Through his foundation, Jackson airlifted 46 tons of supplies to Sarajevo, instituted drug and alcohol abuse education and donated millions of dollars to less fortunate children, including the full payment of a Hungarian child's liver transplant. Failure to file yearly accounting statements saw the charity lose its tax exempt status in 2002. A different organization, with no relationship to Michael Jackson's foundation, incorporated in the state of California under the same name and applied for new tax exempt status in 2008. [1] [2] [3


Heidi   August 25th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

Patty are you still here?


Jacquelyn   August 25th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

Susan

Where you heard this about Tohme

And I meant just before the organs are all completely shut down. I should have corrected that statement.

Do you believe this whole thing is a hoax?


irene   August 25th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

Agree, Mila. This should be emphasized.....! Diffrence street drugs / meds.


evangeline   August 25th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

why don't celebrities choose the very best DRS,,a team of DRS....feel badly for the children..he could have lived 30 more yrs....


Susan   August 25th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

Hi Gloria: Thank you for the Dileo/Sony post. I just read it. I'll type out a couple of sentences so my comment makes sense.

"I've been appointed to the board of Sony/ATV Music Publishing. So I have a role to play there. Michael wrote the letter getting me appointed. After they removed Dr. Thome, they added myself & Joel Katz".
________
Comment. I think whoever took notes on that interview got confused plus spelled Tohme's name wrong. While reading up on Sony & Dileo last night, I found a few sites that said in early Spring 2009 MJ hired Tohme to be his financial advisor after Tohme credits himself for negotiating the contract with Allgoood Entertainment for 02 tour. In March, MJ fired Tohme. MJ switched to AEG & hired Dileo.

I don't think MJ wouldn't have written a letter getting Dileo appointed to Sony now because MJ needed & had Dileo under contract for the AEG 02 tour until next Spring & that would have caused a conflict of interest. My opinion only.....the news interview with Dileo should have been typed to read AEG and not Sony.
.


Patty Anderson   August 25th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

I'm here Heidi just trying to keep up plus Anderson Cooper was on.
They said this investigation is pointing at 7 Dr's and Klien is one of them due to finding a prescription in Omars name at Micheals house from Klien, HaHa he's busted too.


Heidi   August 25th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

Klein should be...what was Michael doing there 3 times a week.


Sandy-Houston   August 25th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

I'm not sure what blog to get on tonight....

I'm a bit confused because 25mg of Propofol is a small dose. But yet we're being told that the coroner said MJ was given a "letal dose:??? A normal dose given to an average size person during surgery is about 150mg. The anesthesiologists on LKL tonight said that 25mg is not a large dose. So is there some kind of contradiction here??? Why am I not surprised???
When this trial starts can you imagine the mob scene everyday at the courthouse???


sherry   August 25th, 2009 10:53 pm ET

thoght i'd put this in,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,he was an amazing man,,,,,,,,,,,

Heal The Kids – Oxford Speech

Oxford University, March 2001 by Michael Jackson

Thank you, thank you dear friends, from the bottom of my heart, for such a loving and spirited welcome, and thank you, Mr President, for your kind invitation to me which I am so honoured to accept. I also want to express a special thanks to you Shmuley, who for 11 years served as Rabbi here at Oxford. You and I have been working so hard to form Heal the Kids, as well as writing our book about childlike qualities, and in all of our efforts you have been such a supportive and loving friend. And I would also like to thank Toba Friedman, our director of operations at Heal the Kids, who is returning tonight to the alma mater where she served as a Marshall scholar, as well as Marilyn Piels, another central member of our Heal the Kids team.

I am humbled to be lecturing in a place that has previously been filled by such notable figures as Mother Theresa, Albert Einstein, Ronald Reagan, Robert Kennedy and Malcolm X. I've even heard that Kermit the Frog has made an appearance here, and I've always felt a kinship with Kermit's message that it's not easy being green. I'm sure he didn't find it any easier being up here than I do!

As I looked around Oxford today, I couldn't help but be aware of the majesty and grandeur of this great institution, not to mention the brilliance of the great and gifted minds that have roamed these streets for centuries. The walls of Oxford have not only housed the greatest philosophical and scientific geniuses – they have also ushered forth some of the most cherished creators of children's literature, from J.R.R. Tolkien to CS Lewis. Today I was allowed to hobble into the dining hall in Christ Church to see Lewis Carroll's Alice in Wonderland immortalised in the stained glass windows. And even one of my own fellow Americans, the beloved Dr Seuss graced these halls and then went on to leave his mark on the imaginations of millions of children throughout the world.

I suppose I should start by listing my qualifications to speak before you this evening. Friends, I do not claim to have the academic expertise of other speakers who have addressed this hall, just as they could lay little claim at being adept at the moonwalk – and you know, Einstein in particular was really TERRIBLE at that.

But I do have a claim to having experienced more places and cultures than most people will ever see. Human knowledge consists not only of libraries of parchment and ink – it is also comprised of the volumes of knowledge that are written on the human heart, chiselled on the human soul, and engraved on the human psyche. And friends, I have encountered so much in this relatively short life of mine that I still cannot believe I am only 42. I often tell Shmuley that in soul years I'm sure that I'm at least 80 – and tonight I even walk like I'm 80! So please harken to my message, because what I have to tell you tonight can bring healing to humanity and healing to our planet.

Through the grace of God, I have been fortunate to have achieved many of my artistic and professional aspirations realised early in my lifetime. But these, friends are accomplishments, and accomplishments alone are not synonymous with who I am. Indeed, the cheery five-year-old who belted out Rockin' Robin and Ben to adoring crowds was not indicative of the boy behind the smile.

Tonight, I come before you less as an icon of pop (whatever that means anyway), and more as an icon of a generation, a generation that no longer knows what it means to be children.

All of us are products of our childhood. But I am the product of a lack of a childhood, an absence of that precious and wondrous age when we frolic playfully without a care in the world, basking in the adoration of parents and relatives, where our biggest concern is studying for that big spelling test come Monday morning.

Those of you who are familiar with the Jackson Five know that I began performing at the tender age of five and that ever since then, I haven't stopped dancing or singing. But while performing and making music undoubtedly remain as some of my greatest joys, when I was young I wanted more than anything else to be a typical little boy. I wanted to build tree houses, have water balloon fights, and play hide and seek with my friends. But fate had it otherwise and all I could do was envy the laughter and playtime that seemed to be going on all around me.

There was no respite from my professional life. But on Sundays I would go Pioneering, the term used for the missionary work that Jehovah's Witnesses do. And it was then that I was able to see the magic of other people's childhood.

Since I was already a celebrity, I would have to don a disguise of fat suit, wig, beard and glasses and we would spend the day in the suburbs of Southern California, going door-to-door or making the rounds of shopping malls, distributing our Watchtower magazine. I loved to set foot in all those regular suburban houses and catch sight of the shag rugs and La-Z-Boy armchairs with kids playing Monopoly and grandmas baby-sitting and all those wonderful, ordinary and starry scenes of everyday life. Many, I know, would argue that these things seem like no big deal. But to me they were mesmerising.

I used to think that I was unique in feeling that I was without a childhood. I believed that indeed there were only a handful with whom I could share those feelings. When I recently met with Shirley Temple Black, the great child star of the 1930s and 40s, we said nothing to each other at first, we simply cried together, for she could share a pain with me that only others like my close friends Elizabeth Taylor and McCauley Culkin know.

I do not tell you this to gain your sympathy but to impress upon you my first important point : It is not just Hollywood child stars that have suffered from a non-existent childhood. Today, it's a universal calamity, a global catastrophe. Childhood has become the great casualty of modern-day living. All around us we are producing scores of kids who have not had the joy, who have not been accorded the right, who have not been allowed the freedom, or knowing what it's like to be a kid.

Today children are constantly encouraged to grow up faster, as if this period known as childhood is a burdensome stage, to be endured and ushered through, as swiftly as possible. And on that subject, I am certainly one of the world's greatest experts.

Ours is a generation that has witnessed the abrogation of the parent-child covenant. Psychologists are publishing libraries of books detailing the destructive effects of denying one's children the unconditional love that is so necessary to the healthy development of their minds and character. And because of all the neglect, too many of our kids have, essentially, to raise themselves. They are growing more distant from their parents, grandparents and other family members, as all around us the indestructible bond that once glued together the generations, unravels.

This violation has bred a new generation, Generation O let us call it, that has now picked up the torch from Generation X. The O stands for a generation that has everything on the outside – wealth, success, fancy clothing and fancy cars, but an aching emptiness on the inside. That cavity in our chests, that barrenness at our core, that void in our centre is the place where the heart once beat and which love once occupied.

And it's not just the kids who are suffering. It's the parents as well. For the more we cultivate little-adults in kids'-bodies, the more removed we ourselves become from our own child-like qualities, and there is so much about being a child that is worth retaining in adult life.

Love, ladies and gentlemen, is the human family's most precious legacy, its richest bequest, its golden inheritance. And it is a treasure that is handed down from one generation to another. Previous ages may not have had the wealth we enjoy. Their houses may have lacked electricity, and they squeezed their many kids into small homes without central heating. But those homes had no darkness, nor were they cold. They were lit bright with the glow of love and they were warmed snugly by the very heat of the human heart. Parents, undistracted by the lust for luxury and status, accorded their children primacy in their lives.

As you all know, our two countries broke from each other over what Thomas Jefferson referred to as "certain inalienable rights". And while we Americans and British might dispute the justice of his claims, what has never been in dispute is that children have certain inalienable rights, and the gradual erosion of those rights has led to scores of children worldwide being denied the joys and security of childhood.

I would therefore like to propose tonight that we install in every home a Children's Universal Bill of Rights, the tenets of which are:

1. The right to be loved without having to earn it

2. The right to be protected, without having to deserve it

3. The right to feel valuable, even if you came into the world with nothing

4. The right to be listened to without having to be interesting

5. The right to be read a bedtime story, without having to compete with the evening news

6. The right to an education without having to dodge bullets at schools

7. The right to be thought of as adorable – (even if you have a face that only a mother could love).

Friends, the foundation of all human knowledge, the beginning of human consciousness, must be that each and every one of us is an object of love. Before you know if you have red hair or brown, before you know if you are black or white, before you know of what religion you are a part, you have to know that you are loved.

About twelve years ago, when I was just about to start my Bad tour, a little boy came with his parents to visit me at home in California. He was dying of cancer and he told me how much he loved my music and me. His parents told me that he wasn't going to live, that any day he could just go, and I said to him: "Look, I am going to be coming to your town in Kansas to open my tour in three months. I want you to come to the show. I am going to give you this jacket that I wore in one of my videos." His eyes lit up and he said: "You are gonna GIVE it to me?" I said "Yeah, but you have to promise that you will wear it to the show." I was trying to make him hold on. I said: "When you come to the show I want to see you in this jacket and in this glove" and I gave him one of my rhinestone gloves – and I never usually give the rhinestone gloves away. And he was just in heaven.

But maybe he was too close to heaven, because when I came to his town, he had already died, and they had buried him in the glove and jacket. He was just 10 years old. God knows, I know, that he tried his best to hold on. But at least when he died, he knew that he was loved, not only by his parents, but even by me, a near stranger, I also loved him. And with all of that love he knew that he didn't come into this world alone, and he certainly didn't leave it alone.

If you enter this world knowing you are loved and you leave this world knowing the same, then everything that happens in between can he dealt with. A professor may degrade you, but you will not feel degraded, a boss may crush you, but you will not be crushed, a corporate gladiator might vanquish you, but you will still triumph. How could any of them truly prevail in pulling you down? For you know that you are an object worthy of love. The rest is just packaging.

But if you don't have that memory of being loved, you are condemned to search the world for something to fill you up. But no matter how much money you make or how famous you become, you will still fell empty. What you are really searching for is unconditional love, unqualified acceptance. And that was the one thing that was denied to you at birth.

Friends, let me paint a picture for you. Here is a typical day in America – six youths under the age of 20 will commit suicide, 12 children under the age of 20 will die from firearms – remember this is a DAY, not a year – 399 kids will be arrested for drug abuse, 1,352 babies will be born to teen mothers. This is happening in one of the richest, most developed countries in the history of the world.

Yes, in my country there is an epidemic of violence that parallels no other industrialised nation. These are the ways young people in America express their hurt and their anger. But don't think that there is not the same pain and anguish among their counterparts in the United Kingdom. Studies in this country show that every single hour, three teenagers in the UK inflict harm upon themselves, often by cutting or burning their bodies or taking an overdose. This is how they have chosen to cope with the pain of neglect and emotional agony.

In Britain, as many as 20% of families will only sit down and have dinner together once a year. Once a year! And what about the time-honoured tradition of reading your kid a bedtime story? Research from the 1980s showed that children who are read to, had far greater literacy and significantly outperformed their peers at school. And yet, less than 33% of British children ages two to eight have a regular bedtime story read to them. You may not think much of that until you take into account that 75% of their parents DID have that bedtime story when they were that age.

Clearly, we do not have to ask ourselves where all of this pain, anger and violent behaviour comes from. It is self-evident that children are thundering against the neglect, quaking against the indifference and crying out just to be noticed. The various child protection agencies in the US say that millions of children are victims of maltreatment in the form of neglect, in the average year. Yes, neglect. In rich homes, privileged homes, wired to the hilt with every electronic gadget. Homes where parents come home, but they're not really home, because their heads are still at the office. And their kids? Well, their kids just make do with whatever emotional crumbs they get. And you don't get much from endless TV, computer games and videos.

These hard, cold numbers which for me, wrench the soul and shake the spirit, should indicate to you why I have devoted so much of my time and resources into making our new Heal the Kids initiative a colossal success.

Our goal is simple – to recreate the parent/child bond, renew its promise and light the way forward for all the beautiful children who are destined one day to walk this earth.

But since this is my first public lecture, and you have so warmly welcomed me into your hearts, I feel that I want to tell you more. We each have our own story, and in that sense statistics can become personal.

They say that parenting is like dancing. You take one step, your child takes another. I have discovered that getting parents to re-dedicate themselves to their children is only half the story. The other half is preparing the children to re-accept their parents.

When I was very young I remember that we had this crazy mutt of a dog named "Black Girl," a mix of wolf and retriever. Not only wasn't she much of a guard dog, she was such a scared and nervous thing that it is a wonder she did not pass out every time a truck rumbled by, or a thunderstorm swept through Indiana. My sister Janet and I gave that dog so much love, but we never really won back the sense of trust that had been stolen from her by her previous owner. We knew he used to beat her. We didn't know with what. But whatever it was, it was enough to suck the spirit right out of that dog.

A lot of kids today are hurt puppies who have weaned themselves off the need for love. They couldn't care less about their parents. Left to their own devices, they cherish their independence. They have moved on and have left their parents behind.

Then there are the far worse cases of children who harbour animosity and resentment toward their parents, so that any overture that their parents might undertake would be thrown forcefully back in their face.

Tonight, I don't want any of us to make this mistake. That's why I'm calling upon all the world's children – beginning with all of us here tonight – to forgive our parents, if we felt neglected. Forgive them and teach them how to love again.

You probably weren't surprised to hear that I did not have an idyllic childhood. The strain and tension that exists in my relationship with my own father is well documented. My father is a tough man and he pushed my brothers and me hard, from the earliest age, to be the best performers we could be.

He had great difficulty showing affection. He never really told me he loved me. And he never really complimented me either. If I did a great show, he would tell me it was a good show. And if I did an OK show, he told me it was a lousy show.

He seemed intent, above all else, on making us a commercial success. And at that he was more than adept. My father was a managerial genius and my brothers and I owe our professional success, in no small measure, to the forceful way that he pushed us. He trained me as a showman and under his guidance I couldn't miss a step.

But what I really wanted was a Dad. I wanted a father who showed me love. And my father never did that. He never said I love you while looking me straight in the eye, he never played a game with me. He never gave me a piggyback ride, he never threw a pillow at me, or a water balloon.

But I remember once when I was about four years old, there was a little carnival and he picked me up and put me on a pony. It was a tiny gesture, probably something he forgot five minutes later. But because of that moment I have this special place in my heart for him. Because that's how kids are, the little things mean so much to them and for me, that one moment meant everything. I only experienced it that one time, but it made me feel really good, about him and the world.

But now I am a father myself, and one day I was thinking about my own children, Prince and Paris and how I wanted them to think of me when they grow up. To be sure, I would like them to remember how I always wanted them with me wherever I went, how I always tried to put them before everything else. But there are also challenges in their lives. Because my kids are stalked by paparazzi, they can't always go to a park or a movie with me.

So what if they grow older and resent me, and how my choices impacted their youth? Why weren't we given an average childhood like all the other kids, they might ask? And at that moment I pray that my children will give me the benefit of the doubt. That they will say to themselves: "Our daddy did the best he could, given the unique circumstances that he faced. He may not have been perfect, but he was a warm and decent man, who tried to give us all the love in the world."

I hope that they will always focus on the positive things, on the sacrifices I willingly made for them, and not criticise the things they had to give up, or the errors I've made, and will certainly continue to make, in raising them. For we have all been someone's child, and we know that despite the very best of plans and efforts, mistakes will always occur. That's just being human.

And when I think about this, of how I hope that my children will not judge me unkindly, and will forgive my shortcomings, I am forced to think of my own father and despite my earlier denials, I am forced to admit that me must have loved me. He did love me, and I know that.

There were little things that showed it. When I was a kid I had a real sweet tooth – we all did. My favourite food was glazed doughnuts and my father knew that. So every few weeks I would come downstairs in the morning and there on the kitchen counter was a bag of glazed doughnuts – no note, no explanation – just the doughnuts. It was like Santa Claus.

Sometimes I would think about staying up late at night, so I could see him leave them there, but just like with Santa Claus, I didn't want to ruin the magic for fear that he would never do it again. My father had to leave them secretly at night, so as no one might catch him with his guard down. He was scared of human emotion, he didn't understand it or know how to deal with it. But he did know doughnuts.

And when I allow the floodgates to open up, there are other memories that come rushing back, memories of other tiny gestures, however imperfect, that showed that he did what he could. So tonight, rather than focusing on what my father didn't do, I want to focus on all the things he did do and on his own personal challenges. I want to stop judging him.

I have started reflecting on the fact that my father grew up in the South, in a very poor family. He came of age during the Depression and his own father, who struggled to feed his children, showed little affection towards his family and raised my father and his siblings with an iron fist. Who could have imagined what it was like to grow up a poor black man in the South, robbed of dignity, bereft of hope, struggling to become a man in a world that saw my father as subordinate. I was the first black artist to be played on MTV and I remember how big a deal it was even then. And that was in the 80s!

My father moved to Indiana and had a large family of his own, working long hours in the steel mills, work that kills the lungs and humbles the spirit, all to support his family. Is it any wonder that he found it difficult to expose his feelings? Is it any mystery that he hardened his heart, that he raised the emotional ramparts? And most of all, is it any wonder why he pushed his sons so hard to succeed as performers, so that they could be saved from what he knew to be a life of indignity and poverty?

I have begun to see that even my father's harshness was a kind of love, an imperfect love, to be sure, but love nonetheless. He pushed me because he loved me. Because he wanted no man ever to look down at his offspring.

And now with time, rather than bitterness, I feel blessing. In the place of anger, I have found absolution. And in the place of revenge I have found reconciliation. And my initial fury has slowly given way to forgiveness.

Almost a decade ago, I founded a charity called Heal the World. The title was something I felt inside me. Little did I know, as Shmuley later pointed out, that those two words form the cornerstone of Old Testament prophecy. Do I really believe that we can heal this world, that is riddled with war and genocide, even today? And do I really think that we can heal our children, the same children who can enter their schools with guns and hatred and shoot down their classmates, like they did at Columbine? Or children who can beat a defenceless toddler to death, like the tragic story of Jamie Bulger? Of course I do, or I wouldn't be here tonight.

But it all begins with forgiveness, because to heal the world, we first have to heal ourselves. And to heal the kids, we first have to heal the child within, each and every one of us. As an adult, and as a parent, I realise that I cannot be a whole human being, nor a parent capable of unconditional love, until I put to rest the ghosts of my own childhood.

And that's what I'm asking all of us to do tonight. Live up to the fifth of the Ten Commandments. Honour your parents by not judging them. Give them the benefit of the doubt.

That is why I want to forgive my father and to stop judging him. I want to forgive my father, because I want a father, and this is the only one that I've got. I want the weight of my past lifted from my shoulders and I want to be free to step into a new relationship with my father, for the rest of my life, unhindered by the goblins of the past.

In a world filled with hate, we must still dare to hope. In a world filled with anger, we must still dare to comfort. In a world filled with despair, we must still dare to dream. And in a world filled with distrust, we must still dare to believe.

To all of you tonight who feel let down by your parents, I ask you to let down your disappointment. To all of you tonight who feel cheated by your fathers or mothers, I ask you not to cheat yourself further. And to all of you who wish to push your parents away, I ask you to extend you hand to them instead. I am asking you, I am asking myself, to give our parents the gift of unconditional love, so that they too may learn how to love from us, their children. So that love will finally be restored to a desolate and lonely world.

Shmuley once mentioned to me an ancient Biblical prophecy which says that a new world and a new time would come, when "the hearts of the parents would be restored through the hearts of their children". My friends, we are that world, we are those children.

Mahatma Gandhi said: "The weak can never forgive. Forgiveness is the attribute of the strong." Tonight, be strong. Beyond being strong, rise to the greatest challenge of all – to restore that broken covenant. We must all overcome whatever crippling effects our childhoods may have had on our lives and in the words of Jesse Jackson, forgive each other, redeem each other and move on.

This call for forgiveness may not result in Oprah moments the world over, with thousands of children making up with their parents, but it will at least be a start, and we'll all be so much happier as a result.

And so ladies and gentlemen, I conclude my remarks tonight with faith, joy and excitement.

From this day forward, may a new song be heard.

Let that new song be the sound of children laughing.

Let that new song be the sound of children playing.

Let that new song be the sound of children singing.

And let that new song be the sound of parents listening.

Together, let us create a symphony of hearts, marvelling at the miracle of our children and basking in the beauty of love.

Let us heal the world and blight its pain.

And may we all make beautiful music together.

God bless you, and I love you.


Bella   August 25th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

Sandy –

Of course Murray would say it was only 25mg, of course he would say Michael begged him for that. There is no witness. He waited long enough for the Propofol to dissolve from Michael's body, rather than calling for help to revive Michael in those critical last hours. That shows a large amount of Propofol being injected to Michael's body. No wonder why Michael died so quickly.

I said before that I felt like it was an execution.


sherry   August 25th, 2009 10:55 pm ET

sorry to take up so much space,but it was a insiteful speech


Gene   August 25th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

Sorry. to any ladies here they noticeing how dcotor sayeing MJ begged for thiese propnol. same word sayeing from cherlyn. qusetion to here. how can MJ who is haveing so many the drug into his body for some time. how he is go to to beg when he is higher. how. so. Ok. he not functon full like thiese into his brain. how come dcotor listeneing to MJ when MJ is higher. makeing no senses here. never will be. so dcotor tryeing to tell every one he gives propnol to MJ wehn MJ higher under oter drug already. OH SURELY.


Susan   August 25th, 2009 11:05 pm ET

Hi Jacquelyn:

Hoax. At first I was buying into TI. TI seemed to have very fast answers to blogger questions of P.T. Barnum question, a past band member name, the date when MJ announced 02, entombment on the 29th, Janets schedule, name of hair dresser & makeup person. Each night after TI spoke, I'd goggle to find out if those things were true. Then TI said a lot that I couldn't confirm on google....the life insurance policy paid to AEG, etc. So I sat back and waited until TI said something that would trip himself. That was his list of secrets, one being that autopsy on a fake cadaver. After that is when I started thinking TI was a fake. Then in TI's last blog he said he would be away for 5 days. I'm thinking why? Friday and Monday were to be court dates. That covers the 5 day period. Now for the big laugh from all of you....I was zeroing in on Taj as the TI.

I now think TI is a hoax and I admit I wanted to believe it. I would love to see MJ dance again. I'm not upset at TI for what he/she did. It created fun for the blog. I think the preliminary warrant revealed Monday blew a hole in TI's plan with us. Monday was to be that 5th day. I hope TI does come back so we can question his/her motives. TI does appear to be obsessed with MJ though.


Gene   August 25th, 2009 11:06 pm ET

I am to rember deleio and thome are together for luncheon when MJ death. big city is Los Angeles. bevrly hills busy for the luncheon trafics. how they are getting to hopsital so fastely. why they are be together on that same day. I am thinking they to be sitting at someplalces close to hopsital to wait. then deleio makeing satement oh he is still liveing. Ok. see you onto next day.


Susan   August 25th, 2009 11:10 pm ET

BRB. Dogs at the door with their legs crossed.


Sandy-Houston   August 25th, 2009 11:27 pm ET

Sherry-
Thank you so much for posting MJ's speech. Absolutely beautiful. It made me cry, especially the part speaking about how he wants to be remembered by his children. Also the paragraph that starts...'If you don't have the memory of being loved..." Heartbreaking.

Bella,
You are right...if they're saying it's a lethal dose, then Murray gave more than 25mg.


Maria   August 25th, 2009 11:27 pm ET

@ Susan (10:29 pm ET): how's that??
– Frank DiLeo was cited by Allgood as the man who signed with them the contract for the Jackson 6 show (in Nov 2008, though DiLeo wasn't MJ's manager at that time)
– Tohme "was present" when MJ signed the contract with AEG for the O2 tour (in January 2009).
So it wasn't Tohme who brought AEG into MJ's life, since AEG started negotiations with MJ for a comeback tour as early as in 2007, and it wasn't DiLeo who signed or assisted MJ in negotiating with AEG.

As for MJ appointing DiLeo on the board of Sony/ATV, this was his natural prerogative, as one of the two shareholders of Sony/ATV (50%). What conflict of interest?


Jennifer   August 25th, 2009 11:36 pm ET

Anyone interested in the most respectful and interesting interview? I just watched it again, and I must share in case someone out there has not heard this one. Its possibly the best interview I have heard of MJ. 2001 getmusic on youtube.


Jennifer   August 25th, 2009 11:39 pm ET

Listen to MJ interview for getmusic 2001 on youtube 6prts. The most respectful and revealing. He is not the man people are painting him out to be.


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 12:03 am ET

Just reading comments from the early evening.

Susan: I was just thinking about that. You know Elizabeth Taylor, played a very important role in Michael's life. You was there when he first got in trouble with painkillers, she was the one to get him some help. Now, if Michael's was "Addicted", as the media will have us thank, how would Michael be able to hide that from her of all people? Elizabeth is not a person that cater to Michaeal, but she they type who got to the point and if she would had suspected anything pertaining to addiction again beleive me she would had done something about it.


Susan   August 26th, 2009 12:08 am ET

Hi Jacquelyn & Maria:

You asked where I got information regarding Dileo. Google Frank Dileo. Click on Alex Constantines Black List site. When window opens, click on green colored header in caps "MJ, Tohme, Dileo, Colony Capital. Dileo's article starts after LaToya's.

Maria: In April is when AEG contracts came in to the picture. I don't know how yet. Will try to find.


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 12:15 am ET

Kate: What I was thinking all alone was this. AEG, knew damn well that Michael was not going to be able to do those 50 concerts, in person in their right mind could not expected a person over 50 could do that. What I was trying to say is I believe that AEG, Sony and lot others never expected Michael to come back when he left for the tour, meaning I believed that Dr Feelgood (New name) was to over medicated him while in London. Dr Feelgood, and done this before Michael left the states. This is just my theory, and I've thought about this for a while. What do yall out there think?


Susan   August 26th, 2009 12:17 am ET

Sheletta:

After MJ came out of rehab, he may not have had as much contact with Elizabeth anymore. Phone, probably yes, but face to face maybe no. It appears that MJ took sleeping type medicines to help him sleep and he would do that at night I would think. I don't think MJ needed medicine during the day.


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 12:39 am ET

Patty: I was thinking the same thing. What happen to their private investigation? I believed that the Jackson family already knew what the findings where. They was giving the LAPD/Coroner's office to do the right thing and just maybe this was the push they needed.

Sherry: It would not be the first time, that anyone of them did not use Michael for money. That was the problem in the first place. He was everyone's meal ticket, and they felt that if it was not for them Michael would not be "Superstar" he was and still is.

Irene: You are correct. He did show the bruises that he occur while being arrested by LAPD. He even said how they locked him in a restroom with feces all over the place for about 45 mins. They really took their power to far.


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 1:34 am ET

Sherri: It seem like a good ideal at first what Jermaine was doing. Now, after seeing MNBC-video about Tohme, and how he was introduce to Michael by Jermaine, has put my mind at a unease statis. Because he introduce this man to his loving brother and look what this man was doing? I want to know what part did he play in this of Tohme? Jermaine, was pissed a Michael for many years, because Michael wanted nothing to do with comeback tours with his brothers. They blame Michael for a lot of their financial problems, so after seeing what I saw my minds is not in the right place about him right now.

Now, this is confusing about Tohme. If Michael fired him days before his death how in hell did Tohme get on the property? Knowing Michael if he fired a person, his securities are instructed not to allow this pers,on on the Property. When Michael gave an order and it was not kept that person stood not to have a job or presentence in Michael's enter circle, so you tell me as I asked before. What part did Jermaine play in this Tohme theory? Makes a person think here.


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 1:38 am ET

Heidi: I would like to know that myself. Jermaine had to been with Tohme at the time of Michael's death. After all Jermain and Tohme was very good friends. That is how Michael meet this man. Hey this is not the first time Jermaine has told a person what to do to get Michael to do what they wanted. Look how use told this guy from Korea inorder to get Michael to do a concert all he had to do is start crying, because his brother can't stand to see anyone in pain. After it work Jermaine and this guy(forgot his name) starting laughing when it was all done.


Lisa   August 26th, 2009 1:40 am ET

I wish everybody would leave Michael alone. Jermaine, I agree with you. The media should leave him and your family alone. They need to let him rest in peace. I really am broken hearted behind his death. I miss him tremendously. I still can't believe that he's gone. I listen to his songs all day and everyday since he left us. I'm proud to tell the world he was my King of Pop. I get so angry everytime I hear someone refere him as Jacko. That's just ignorant! I am from Providence R.I.
If I was able to meet you and your family, I would give all of you a hug!!
May Michael the great King of Pop rest in peace. I am so greatful for having Michael as my Super Star. I hope all the doctor's go to jail for taking him away from us. If they cared about him, they would have got him some help. I don't feel bad at all for them. Larry, please tell the Jackson Family how sorry I am. I really feel like I knew Michael personally. He was the best. People in the world, keep your ignorant comments to yourself about Michael. You all are Wacko Jacko, jealousy doesn't get you any where and neither does ignorance

Thank You Very Much Larry,
Lisa


Lisa   August 26th, 2009 1:51 am ET

I miss you Michael!!

Thank you so much Mr. and Mrs. Joe Jackson
I wish your family well and hope and pray that you have peace someday and not hear all this negative stuff about Michael. To the families that lied on him about molestation, someday you will have to answer to the lord. I also, blame you for his death

Lisa


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 2:07 am ET

Heidi: Dr Klein told Larry King that he was treating Michael Lupus, and he had to get shot directly in the area of his face. Al least that is the lie he told. If you think back it was said that Debbie Rowe use to give Michael treatments not Dr klein. That is how Michael met Debbie.

Sandy: One of the anesthesiologist was on AC360 last night (Monday 24th) stated that Dr Murray was lairing, because he had to give Michael more mgs then that for his breathing to stop, especially along with all the other sedatives given within hours of each other. All so Murray was thinking that if this was to be investigated that they propofol would not show up. Remember for months they kept saying that propofol leaves your system quickly, well people shows these doctors they don't know everything do they. He stays within your bllod system. Murray was hoping that they would find no trace of this drug and any others,

Susan: Yes you may be right, but Elizabeth was very much in his life. Especially, around the time he married Lisa Marie, but even so I do believed that he had a sleeping problem he said himself. That after a concert it was hard for him to slow down, so he needed something to help him sleep. But, how can you get hook on sleeping aides? Someone had to introduce him to the so call "Milk" has murray said Michael call it. Too many unanswer questions here.


Maria   August 26th, 2009 2:12 am ET

Susan: OK, I know the site.
Now there are a few distinct things – in my understanding:
– Tohme, as the new advisor of MJ, brought Colony Capital (Thomas Barrack) to save Neverland from foreclosure in March 2008. Colony bought MJ's loan ($24.5 mil) and avoided the foreclosure. Colony was a client of Tohme's advertising firm, so this is how he might have reached Barrack. Tohme eventually became the MJ manager and boss of MJJ Productions.

– AEG Live (Randy Phillips) was courting MJ since 2007 for a comeback tour. They eventually succeeded, after it became clear that MJ has to make money to pay his multiple debts, including the one for Neverland. Barack might have had a role in persuading MJ to do the shows, because Colony wanted to ensure that their investment in the Neverland loan will pay off. In December, MJ rented the Holmby Hills mansion, payable from the AEG advance, and in January signed the contract with AEG. AEG invested $30-50 in the O2 concerts.

– DiLeo was the manager of MJ until 1989, then was brought again in May 2009 by MJ to replace Tohme, who was fired after the ugly failure of the Julien auction. It's odd how DiLeo could sign in Nov 2008 the contract with Allgood for the Jackson family reunion show, since he wasn't the manager of MJ or the Jackson 5 at that time. Anyhow, in May 2009 DiLeo was sued along with MJ by Allgood for breaching that contract.

– According to that interview, DiLeo was appointed by MJ not only as his manager, but as a member of the Sony/ATV board. Sony/ATV is a joint-venture between Sony and MJ, so MJ had the right to appoint his own people to represent his interests in the board. So when he says that the estate has to understand that he will have a role to play, he means that he will have to work together with Branca and McClain on the matters regarding MJ's stake in Sony/ATV, with the Beatles catalog. Branca has already announced that the catalog is not for sale.


Terri   August 26th, 2009 2:14 am ET

Well if you look at the videos on MSNBC frank dileo is talking about how tohme had all the power over michael and his finances and Mj was scare of him so now he is contradicting himself that MJ was being control I wish he make his mind up


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 2:17 am ET

Lisa: There are people out there with negative minds, and calling Michael all these different names other then the name is was bone with is sicking. I try not to pay any attention to them and you should too. Michael was love by so many people, and he proably never grasp at this concept. He was too busy trying to save the world, and at the end of his concept no body brother to save his. That is what really hurt most. All around him had their own agenda, and from what all has occur no one care about how Michael really felt. This man was a genuis, he had it all, but he felt alone. There was no-one there just for Michael without a plan to take advantage of, and for that all heads will fall beleived that.


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 2:22 am ET

Terri: Like I said before everyone wanted to control Michael. That was the problem, Michael did not like anyone telling him what to do, most peeps hated that about Michael. All in his book, this was a major problem with people in his camp. Michael was the boss and they wanted him to walk by their rules and he did not. Even Sony was pissed at M ichael, especially when he felt that they was trying to control his music, he lost interest in doing any new music for Sony, they even said so themself.


Terri   August 26th, 2009 2:25 am ET

If you look at the video statement that Jermaine made about MJ death Tohme is right next to him. I always felt sorry that Jermaine though may not had doen anything directly was aware that somethign was going on than he comes out sucking all the spotlight liek him and MJ were so close(not sayign he didnt love) in a odd way but he was definitely Jealous of him and resented him being a Superstar


Terri   August 26th, 2009 2:25 am ET

why would he allow Tohme around when MJ had already fired him a few months ago??? why??/


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 2:30 am ET

Maria: AEG/Sony was after the Beattle catolog all alone. I am so glad that Blanca is not saling it. That is part of Michael kids money. I find it so hard that Michael was without money since they said Michael did not give away money easy. I tell you there are going to be heads to roll when everything hits, I wish I can have a front roll seat.


Terri   August 26th, 2009 2:30 am ET

The answer to someone who mention Liz Taylor she didnt see much of MJ in later years because her own health had detoriated she in now in a wheel chair. So shemay not had known and if she did remember Thome and others were keepign him from friends and family . He has a tape he made with his spriirtual advisor explaining how afraid he was of tohme and he didnt even knw what was in his accounts said he wouldnt let him talk to his lawayers accountants anyone


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 2:32 am ET

Terri: That is the same question I asked earlier. Tohme and Jermaine were very good friends. That is how he was allowed into the hospital.


Terri   August 26th, 2009 2:32 am ET

Front row seat of a FLY ON THE WALL lol


Terri   August 26th, 2009 2:34 am ET

So then how was Jermaine so much MJ protector as he claims??/ something to think about isnt it Jermaines part


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 2:38 am ET

Wow: I am watching this HLN News. They are trying to make Murray look like the victim, at the person speaking on his behave. But others are saying that Murray is being weak, that when Michael refer to Milk it could had meant warm milk, grandparents use to give kids. But the feel that Murray should have not inable Michael. Murray never gave a full report of what he gave Michael. Now, this legal representative is trying to say that Murray could had given Michael the propofol before time stated, that the police could had mistaken what he said. Wow people are something else


Terri   August 26th, 2009 2:40 am ET

They most think all of us that watch the news are idiots!


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 2:42 am ET

Terri: Us must remember Jermaine was pissed at Michael for years, before he actually came back into Michael's life. I beleived it was around the 25th or 30th anniversary of Motown. But after Michael refuse to do another comeback tour with his brothers they blame their financial problem on Michael. They felt that Michael owe then as family and his career that they felt made him...It is so much Bulls–t around this that I would not be surprise if their was yet another agenda, behind Jermaine/Tohme meets Michael.


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 2:43 am ET

Terri: LOL well, I guess they think we don't know much are wer just go by what the media want's us to think about.


Maria   August 26th, 2009 2:45 am ET

Susan: And I forgot something – Colony has its own plan for a MJ comeback, completely different from the AEG plan. Colony wanted MJ to have a permanent residence at a casino in Las Vegas (up to 180 shows a year) or a show like "Love", the Beatles themed Cirque du Soleil show (20-30 shows a year).


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 2:52 am ET

Terri: Yes either one....LMAO I think yes Jermaine love his brother in his own way, but all was jealous that Mihael became a superstar, without them along the way. Yes, Michael started out as the Jackson 5, then the Jackson. But Jermaine actually was the one who turn his back on his brothers, for Motown. He walk out on a tour concert they where doing. So really, when Michael started doing solo for Epic, Jermaine was not in the picture then. Joe Jackson & brothers always, try to get Michael to comeback with them for tours and after the Victory Tour Michael stated he will never do it again. They all wanted what he had. He really made it better as a solo then a group. So yes Jermaine was not happy about nothing Michael done then.

Now, when Jermaine did come back so to speak to the family, and returned home with other woman, he never realized that the home in Encino, was 75% own by Michael and 25% by Mrs Jackson. They still managed to live off Michael who was footing the bills there.


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 2:59 am ET

Maria: You are so right. They showed an inview with Michael in Las Vegas talking to someone I can't remember the name and Michael wanted to do that. He did not want to tour anymore. He said in his own world that he rather do Las Vegas, rather then go on the road again. It is too tiring and he stated he hated touring. That is why I was surprise when I saw the news cast about the "this is it 02" tour for london, that knock me out. I was looking forward to going to Las Vegas to see Michael perform there. Since I go there alot anyway. Just a hour plane ride from Northern CA.


Terri   August 26th, 2009 3:04 am ET

Yes i kow Jermaine claims he stayed there to help him mother but I think he couldnt afford anything else and MJ was paying for it all why not live free.. I also read dont ask me where lol that Jermaine is now looking at condos to buy costing up to 15milllion now were would he get that kind of money from even the media writing the article wanted to know lol


Terri   August 26th, 2009 3:09 am ET

ok no body talkin im off to bed ttyl have a good night


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 3:15 am ET

Good nite Terri. Yes how is Jermaine able to pay for a condo? Good question. Banking on something already.


Maria   August 26th, 2009 3:26 am ET

Sheletta: Right, he wanted even to buy a house and move to Las Vegas.
About AEG/Sony: No doubt Sony wanted to have the whole catalog. But I really don't see any AEG involvement here. AEG saw in MJ another kind of investment – through this costly O2 tour, and they had enough money to finance it. Now I doubt that they will manage to recoup at least all their investment. We'll see.


Susan   August 26th, 2009 5:35 am ET

Sheletta & Maria:

I had read that Tohme had and is still friends of the Jackson family for many years and the family put the word dr. in front of his name. Just read it....don't know if it's true. In some interview, Tohme said Katherine had called him to the hospital.

My goodness Maria.. you ask such hard questions. First off, thank you for the timeline when AEG first started working on the 02 tour. I didn't know that. I thought Dileo was just recently (Aug) put on the board of Sony because that's when the announcement was made. MJ's estate now administer the catelogues, so Mr. Dileo has no say so about anything since MJ has passed away. Dileo doesn't have a job now with Sony if he was only a representative for MJ. As of 2008, from the Colony Bank deal (loan for Neverland), that only left MJ with approx. 25% share of the Beatles catalogue.

Allgood had their tour planned with the Jackson 5 with Tohme. AEG had their tour planned since 2007 you said. It looks like MJ may have been playing with both sides, with no intent to do the Allgood tour or the reality show. In March, it appears MJ finally made up his mind he was going to go with AEG & that's why he fired Tohme and hired Dileo.

I know that Allgood sued MJ and the Katherine/Joe/Jermaine. MJ paid his share, but the other 3 haven't yet. I didn't know Dileo was incuded in the suit.

I did read where the Jackson 4 were upset that MJ would not appear in the reality show and Jackson 5 tour. The way I read it was the boys agreed to do these 2 performances without informing MJ first.

Dileo's interview released in early Aug 09 sure deceived me. I thought he had just now (Aug) got hired by Sony/ATV. Dileo didn't say he was there only to represent MJ. On the Sony board....I guess that does sounds better if you want to blow your own horn huh? He can wade in the mud at his ranch. On Aug. 25 I read that the catalogues as of 2007 are now worth $1.1 billion. Wow that's proves what a great business man MJ was.

Both Dileo and Tohme look (mean face) like they could stab someone in the back in a heartbeat.


Sheletta   August 26th, 2009 6:21 am ET

Bella: Yes he did. Even in his video Stranger in Moscow, wow all you can do is look straight into his eyes it tells it very bad. Everytme I saw that video may heart just hurted for him and I had wished that he would let someone in that would not want anything from him. Hell, I would had even talk online or telephone with him just so he had someone there for him. Even going on his fan club site you really never get a response from him, but I was told once that Michael used to read everything his fans wrote.

What was wrong with the Media and enter circle people with Michael was they did not understand him. Michael was sort of a Private person and it was hard to get in. Even the circle of people could go so far because the was afraid they're meal ticket would stop. When he did try to talk the media, and circle of friends took it as a weakness, when all he wanted to feel Love, and not for his money but just for himself. What I think and some may agreed or disagreed was when Michael and Lisa Marie married way south, he realized that he lost the Love of his life. She was the only woman who could get close enought with matter that really matter, after that nothing. It's funny she really has not said much since his death. She once said she still love Michael but the just could not live together because he drives her crazy at times.


Maria   August 26th, 2009 7:36 am ET

Oops, many topics again 🙂
Susan & Sheletta –

1) Neverland and the catalog – 2 completely separate things/loans.
On one hand, MJ had a loan ($24.5 mil), guaranteed it with Neverland and couldn't pay it in time; Colony Capital stepped in, bought the loan and saved the ranch. End of story.
On the other hand, MJ had one or more loans totalling cca $300 mil, guaranteed with the Sony/ATV catalog, and couldn't pay it in time. In order not to lose completely the catalog, Sony Music (co-owner of Sony/ATV) called HSBC and Barclays and arranged to refinance the loan, by 2007. Since then, Sony Music continued to pay the obligations of MJ, and his debt towards Sony grew.
Ian Halperin says in his book that Sony Music could stop this money leak and take the whole MJ stake in Sony/ATV, but that they didn't do that, fearing a global boycott against Sony, triggered by MJ's fans. Now it seems even less plausible that Sony would do such a dumb step and take the MJ stake; probably the estate (Branca) will try to reach an agreement and reschedule the debt.

2) DiLeo and Sony. He is representing MJ's interests on the Sony/ATV board (NOT on the Sony Music board), so he can hardly work against the interests of the estate – or if he does, he loses his position. But I don't know exactly how much voting power he has in the board. I mean, only DiLeo and Joel Katz are there on behalf of MJ; I guess that there are more than two members on behalf of Sony, the other shareholder.

3) Allgood and Tohme. MJ might have made his mind about chosing AEG in the autumn of 2008 (and he signed with AEG in January 2009); the firing/rehiring on Tohme/DiLeo was much later, in April 2009. Of course the AEG offer was more attractive than the Allgood one for MJ – it was far more spectacular, far more lucrative and didn't involve anyone of his family.
On the suit – not only that DiLeo was included in the suit, but I remember reading that no member of the Jackson family had in fact their signature on the Allgood contract.
Tohme and Jackson 5/6... he might have brokered indeed the deal. Anyway, MJ didn't hire him for the merit of the Allgood deal 🙂

4) Branca. OK, the Jackson family demonizes him right now because he accepted a 50/50 deal with AEG for the memorabilia tour (instead of vainly trying to negotiate something like 90/10, as the family probably hoped to obtain). But so far, he did only good to MJ and the estate and was far different from all the shady guys that have surrounded MJ over the years.
From 1995 to 2006, Branca was exactly the equivalent of DiLeo now – the MJ's representative in the Sony/ATV board – only that he had also a stake in Sony/ATV. How come that so many years he was ok and only in 2006 he was guilty of working with Sony? If he wanted to go and work for Sony, or for any other entertainer than MJ, he was free to do that openly, not undercover – because he was enough rich and powerful and did not depend on his relationship with MJ to make a living. Check out his CV. MJ knew well what he was doing when he made his will in 1997 and 2002 and nominated him and McClain as executors.


mariau   August 26th, 2009 10:32 am ET

July 22, 2009 2:39 PM, by PalMD

According to the Times, authorities are looking for records at the doctor’s Houston office. That’s not a bad idea.
I’m not a lawyer, and I don’t know if: 1) the doctor was licensed to practice in California, or 2) if a doctor from Texas may practice in California on a Texas license (doubtful). Certainly, a doctor may render emergency care to someone, one human being to another, but the use of injectable medications such as propofol and merperidine in an unmonitored setting seems pretty outside the norm no matter where your license is from.
In order to practice medicine legally in my state, I must hold a valid physician’s license, a valid controlled substance license, and in order to prescribe medications, a valid DEA license. In order to avoid disciplinary actions, I must also practice in a way congruent with standard medical practice, for example, maintaining proper documentation. The specific section of the Public Health Code says:
An individual licensed under this article shall keep and maintain a record for each patient for whom he or she has provided medical services, including a full and complete record of tests and examinations performed, observations made, and treatments provided.
If this doc was treating Jackson, he should have been recording Jackson’s complaints, his own physical exam findings including vital signs, medication administration including amount, route, and timing—really, everything. This is Medicine 101. Of course, if he was practicing without a valid license, who knows what kind of paper trail, he would or would not wish to have.
In the news crapnami that is the Michael Jackson story, one useful lesson might be learned; that of the fatal intersection of power, fame, and medicine. It’s not a new lesson, but one that may require quite a bit of repetition. Unfortunately, I think we will have many future opportunities for review.

By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 1:35 AM on 30th July 2009

Federal agents searched the home of Michael Jackson’s doctor yesterday as focus turned to the role a powerful sedative that may have played in the singer’s death.
Officials from the Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) were seen entering Dr Conrad Murray’s house and his office in Las Vegas as part of a potential manslaughter probe.
It follows reports that police think the physician gave the pop star propofol to help him sleep shortly before he died.
Enlarge Vehicles line the street as investigators search the home of Michael Jackson’s physician, Dr. Conrad Murray in Red Rock Country Club in Las Vegas yesterday, seeking documents as part of a manslaughter investigation into the singer’s death

But the investigation is increasingly focusing on the role of Dr Murray, Jackson’s personal physician, who was with him when he died.
The doctor has been quizzed twice by police in Los Angeles as part of their probe, with a third interview planned.
He has not been named as a suspect but court records have identified the 51-year-old physician as the subject of a manslaughter investigation. Police say he is cooperating with the investigation.

Investigators have revealed that Jackson regularly received the anaesthetic propofol on a drip and relied on it like an alarm clock.
A doctor would administer it when Jackson went to sleep, then stop the IV drip when the singer wanted to wake up, the unnamed official told the Associated Press.

On June 25, the day Jackson died, Dr Conrad
Murray’s lawyer, Edward Chernoff, has said the doctor ‘didn’t prescribe or administer anything that should have killed Michael Jackson’.
When asked yesterday about the law enforcement official’s statements he said: ‘We will not be commenting on rumours, innuendo or unnamed sources.’
In a more detailed statement posted online late last night, Chernoff added that ‘things tend to shake out when all the facts are made known, and I’m sure that will happen here as well’.
Toxicology reports are still pending, but investigators are working under the theory that propofol caused Jackson’s heart to stop, the official said.
Jackson is believed to have been using the drug for about two years, and investigators are trying to determine how many other doctors administered it, the official said.
Using propofol to sleep exceeds the drug’s intended purpose. The drug can depress breathing and lower heart rates and blood pressure.

Because of the risks, propofol is supposed to be administered only in medical
August 25, 2009
CORONER’S PRELIMINARY FINDING: MICHAEL JACKSON OVERDOSED IN PROPOFOL
1: 30 A.M- DR. MURRAY GAVE MJ 10 MG OF VALIUM
2:00 A.M – DR. MURRAY INJECTED MJ WITH 2 MG OF ATIVAN – ANTI ANXIETY
3:00 A.M- DR.MURRAY GAVE MJ 2MG OF SEDATIVE VERSED
5:00 A.M – JACKSON RECEIVED ANOTHER 2MG OF ATIVAN
7:30 A.M – JACKSON RECEIVED ANOTHER 2 MG OF VERSED AND MEASURED HIS BLOOD OXYGEN LEVELS.
10:40 A.M- DR. MURRAY ADMINISTERED 25 MG OF PROPOFOL
DR. MURRAY SAID.. AFTER I’M WATCHING HIM FOR ABOUT 10 MINUTES , HIS GONE FOR 2 MINUTES MAXIMUM.. WHEN HE CAME BACK MJ WAS NO LONGER BREATHING. HE CALLED 911 12:20 P.M
HE MADE PHONE CALLS AT LASTED 47 MINUTES BEFORE HE CALLED 911….
NOW PLEASE THINK AND DECIDE.. WHAT’S REALLY GOING ON? WHAT’S WRONG? THIS IS NOT ACCIDENTAL… THIS WAS INTENTIONAL…


#1mjfan   August 26th, 2009 3:16 pm ET

i disagree that michael should be blamed for his death....his past addictions didn't cause him to be in the coma and didn't cause his heart to stop and for him to stop breathing. what caused all that was the mix of drugs dr. murray administered and also not monitoring him.

also, look at the rehearsal footage...does that look like someone who's about to die in 2 days? what caused his death was the propofol and the mix of drugs...not his past addictions. he was given something that's only used in surgeries to put people in a deep state.

dr. murray obviously was alert and sober, but still administered the propofol. he still acted carelessly and THAT'S what caused his death.


Triny   August 26th, 2009 4:24 pm ET

I was in complete shock whenI saw the headlines on Monday regarding the cause of MJ's death. His passing has hit me all over again!

I watch updates on the investigation into his death and it seems as though the media is trying to drum up sympathy for Dr. Murray and once again trash Michael Jackson. We all knew he had issues with prescription medication but the fact remains that a licenced medical doctor went against his oath and the law and used a substance in a private setting that is only to be used in a hospital or surgical setting. This is unacceptable and Dr. Murray should pay for this!


Carmen   August 26th, 2009 4:59 pm ET

I think Michael killed himself,but with the negligence of all the doctors who provided him those drugs. I can't believe he lived in that way for many years. I MISS YOU MICHAEL, I CRY EVERY TIME I LISTEN YOUR MUSIC BECAUSE I REMEMBER MY YOUTH AND ALL THOSE BEAUTIFUL MOMENTS I LIVED. I WON'T NEVER FORGET YOU. I LOVE YOU SO MUCH!!!! GOD BLESS AND R.I.P. FOREVER THE KING OF POP. NOBODY WON'T REPLACE YOU.


Carmen   August 26th, 2009 5:02 pm ET

I think Michael killed himself,but with thehelp and negligence of all the doctors who provided him those drugs. I can’t believe he lived in that way for many years. I MISS YOU MICHAEL, I CRY EVERY TIME I LISTEN YOUR MUSIC BECAUSE I REMEMBER MY YOUTH AND ALL THOSE BEAUTIFUL MOMENTS I LIVED. I WON’T NEVER FORGET YOU. I LOVE YOU SO MUCH!!!! GOD BLESS YOU AND R.I.P. FOREVER THE KING OF POP. NOBODY WON’T REPLACE YOU!!!!


mytake   August 26th, 2009 5:43 pm ET

Who Really Killed Michael Jackson? ...

I would like to start my blog by saying, I loved Michael and if I had been given the chance I would have tried to help him as much as humanly possible. I have so many things that I feel must be said that I haven't heard anyone else discuss or I haven't read, as yet.

1) It's been reported that Michael said that he wasn't feeling well that night after rehearsal, Wednesday / Early a.m., Thursday.

Why don't we know what Dr. Murray did for him when he reportedly was called to the home with the knowledge that Michael wasn't feeling well? - This doctor was "Out to get Paid" and if he was PROFESSIONALLY responsible for Michael, WHY didn't he try to get Michael to the hospital, if he needed to go there.

This was the first bad sign in my mind. The doctor was so much in need of money that he possibly let Michael decide that he didn't want to go to the hospital or he told Michael that he could fix it.

Was this just a rumor that Michael said he was ill that night or what?

2) BEFORE the leak about what this doctor allegedly gave Michael that night/early morning; - I HAD THIS FEELING that if it was true that he left the room to make phone calls while Michael was under the Propofol...could he have set the intravenous drip at a faster rate than usual and Michael (left unattended) received too much Propofol, too soon into his system, thus stopping his breathing and putting him into a coma and/or taking his life.

Why would the doctor have to leave the room for a phone call if Michael could not hear him talking while being knocked out?

I think the doctor conveniently manufactured his facts to attempt to make himself look less responsible for the tragic event that happened.

3) The autopsy, I thought is supposed to determine the time of actual death (I hate that word), yet there hasn't been any change to the time that the hospital called it at 2:26pm.-- I HAD THE FEELING that the doctor knew that Michael was gone hours before the call was made to 911. - The alleged story of leaving the room to make phone calls weren't when Michael was knocked out on Propofol, BUT actually when he knew that Michael was no longer living.

4) The doctor allegedly claimed that Michael had a slight pulse and wasn't breathing after he came back to the room. - If this was supposedly only after 2 minutes which was reported, WHY not run downstairs, yelling and screaming to get help RIGHT at that MOMENT and quickly get back to Michael to administer CPR? - AGAIN, I had the feeling that because Michael was gone hours earlier than 12:05pm, the doctor PANICKED and wigged out in the wee hours because it was too early to alarm the house (of his gross mistake) and he couldn't change the events as Michael's life was over. So instead, he figured that he would conjure up a story for a few hours and then started calling around to ask for help and assistance to save his own skin.

4) The SAD CASE in all of this, is that Michael didn't have a chance. He was for all intents and purposes, a lost cause in the hands of this man calling himself a doctor.

Although, it has been known that Michael was addicted to pain killers, the doctor chose to play Russian Roulette with Michael's life while God only knows why Michael felt INVINCIBLE to put his life in this man's hands (or anyone else's hands over the years). -- MY THOUGHTS ARE: While I have no way of knowing the pain and suffering that Michael experienced for years from his body's ailments and the pressures of his life being denigrated by masses of ill-willers, money-grubbers and sensationalized news stories...it must have been HELL to know that he couldn't ESCAPE without the aide of medicinal narcotics. Michael most likely felt that since he WAS ABLE to fully commit to his singing and dancing with these aides...he had found the PIVOTAL TEMPORARY CURE to his physical woes and THIS WAS IT, the way to get things done, get on with his life.

I know very little about curses and premonitions, but when Michael called his 02 Arena Tour, THIS IS IT, I cringed silently to myself. When he paused between the words, This is the final curtain call, the final shows...(pause)...in London; I felt a weird feeling go over me then I thought, YES, he completed the sentence with...in London. Still I felt odd about it. I'm weird that way. I tend to be spiritually in tune to things.

Two days after the news, I was playing my Michael Jackson playlist on my phone and a weird thing happened. The song "2BAD" played twice in a matter of minutes. At first, I thought that's crazy, why did that song play twice when there are like 50+ songs for the shuffle to choose from (albeit there are 2 different versions of the song in the playlist). Then I felt nervous and I stopped the playlist. Everything was so fresh and I didn't WANT TO BELIEVE and I told myself that I wouldn't cry, NOT YET, it was too early to let go. I haven't listened to that song again, since that day.

My spiritual nature made me try to understand what had happened. My belief in God and that he doesn't make mistakes, made me realize that whatever happened in that room, that lonely night for Michael, was ordered and carried out by fate.

The fact that Michael had mentioned that he thought he would possibly go like Elvis did, makes me wonder, WHY didn't he ever take those words BACK. I'm a believer that when you speak something into the atmosphere, that it's NOTED and shuffled among all the other things said and then it comes to pass when God intends for it to happen. If Michael had just taken those words, BACK, perhaps they wouldn't have come up on the shuffle of his life's playlist.

The doctor(s), MURRAY (and others) IS (are) RESPONSIBLE for NEGLIGENTLY handling a man's life with STUPIDITY AND GREED and HE (they) should have to PAY for their TRANSGRESSIONS.

The weight of life killed Michael, but he had an ABUNDANCE OF ASSISTANCE and with this assistance LIFE sealed their own fate, as well as Michael's.


Wendy Keegan   August 26th, 2009 11:55 pm ET

No. No. No. No. Dr. Murray did what Michael demanded him to do. It was on Michael to say enough is enough. Michael was an addict. And what if the 25 mgs. didn't work.... it would've been more and more.

My first post still stands in my heart. I am going to change my percentages though. Michael is responsible 50%, The Pharmacies that filled the scripts 25% and Dr. Murray 25%. The Pharmacy and Dr. Murray should lose his license.

Larry, question why do you suppose all his friends didn't take Michael to rehab. I would. And would still do it. Isn't it better for Michael to never speak to me or anyone that took him to rehab than this? My parents explained that its like taking a horse to water... no one but the horse can decide to drink. What upsets me Larry is all these people now trying to profit on Michael... and its only the beginning.


Katarina( Slovenia)   August 27th, 2009 7:06 am ET

I love Michael since I was a child, I am verry sad abaut these thinks and I miss him very much. I am a nurse in a hospital and I am in sock...Dr.Murray is no human.


Nas   August 27th, 2009 7:08 am ET

Every single day I ask God to punish the people who are guilty in Michael's death. The truth will come out one day. Murray is just a pawn in the hands of people who stand behind all of this.
I just can't imagine how he could live so many years among people who only sought wealth!
You are always in our hearts Michael! Rest in peace dear Michael!
Your fans will never betray you! The truth will triumth in the end.


chaos titanium   August 27th, 2009 8:19 am ET

y'know how motley crue says about tis?

"everyones gotta try mr. feeeel goood!
his medicine's gonna make you feel alriiight.
everyones gonna need mr. feeel gooood!
he's gonna have you feeli'n alriiight!"

... and beat it, beat it...


chaos titanium   August 27th, 2009 8:21 am ET

darn. i was looking forward to his concert in florida.


raviba   August 27th, 2009 8:37 am ET

This is very very sad what really did mj who killed him and for what


raviba   August 27th, 2009 8:40 am ET

mjs pakistan fans miss mj very very very very muchhhhhhhh.


Wendy Keegan   August 27th, 2009 11:11 am ET

Nas, you said it so right. God needs to punish all the guilty parties. The doctor is a small piece of the puzzle. The doctor took an oath to protect but where's the promise a family takes to protect each other ? Someone, anyone even a stranger, should have taken Michael for rehab. All they have to point at is Dr. Murray. WHERE IS THEIR PART? When we pointing a finger at someone 4 are pointing back. Asking "who" "what" "when" or "why" it is now more a question of how much... now these brothers, siblings, so called friends and ex lovers are having their just desserts... they're profitting on the death of their brother; the one they "loved" "liked" and now his beautiful 3 (or 4) children have to go on without him.

Michael Rest in Peace. I ask all of you to pray not just for justice but for the souls of those that also didn't do the right thing.

Peace.


Wendy Keegan   August 27th, 2009 12:44 pm ET

Dear Sheletta: I don't know about Dr. "Feelgood." He does need to lose his license which I have said all along. But as you answered to raviba money, greed and untrusting people are to blame. So does the buck stop at the doctor and medical community? I don't think so. One can't draw a picture without a pen or crayon.

I looked up sleeping pills and being addicted. Sheletta, please email me and I will send you the article I found on sleeping pills. I take Ambien CR and some nights I need to take 2; I am lucky I get a 90 day supply and know I can take a up to 7 extra in a three month period. I have painful diseases called lymphedema, diabetes and depression. I am not an addict but need the pill to sleep.

To say I am not on Michael's side hurts me more than you know. I am on his side... someone needed to take Michael to rehab & though the family not taking him to rehab is not a crime, it was the thing to do.


Magda   August 27th, 2009 2:19 pm ET

for spirit
From all the interventions I found yours very accurate. I don’t agree with this sentence: „Michael was a human being like all of us” – this is wrong, totally wrong. Michael Jackson was a GENIUS and a genius is never like us, from the start they are special in all the ways. I can prove this with all his creation (music, dance) but also with his charisma. From his death I surf every day the internet and read some of the declaration from the people who knew Michael closely. In his presence everybody felt something special, they was touched by his presence, by this special feeling that he was different.
From June 25 I am totally upside-down. Many questions still remain with no answer. Why no one in his family loved him so much to do all the arrangements for helping him? By force if was necessary... He was alone, he was afraid, he was a tortured soul. Please, search on the net what vitilligo and lupus means. Both are very hard illness, no-cure, illness of the imunitary system due to the emotional stress. They came as a result of a deep emotional stress and the patient suffer excruciating pains in legs, hands, the heart beat is irregular, the level of the bad feeling and suffering is higher and higher. Who on earth can only imagine what Michael lived for years? The tones of makeup cover his face in public but alone, in his privacy… who can understand what he felt? After his Pepsi commercial he start to take painkillers. No one from his family and close friends didn’t knew when those painkillers became an addiction. Nobody was interested. The machine is running the show and everybody is pleased.
How is this happen? In my imagination I fly over the seas and oceans and try to save him. His mother, brothers and sisters – they didn’t make any move in all those years. Can we hear any remorse now? From anyone with same blood, someone of the Jackson clan? One remorse, one true „I am sorry that I wasn’t beside you”. I think they have a big part of guilt, but I didn’t saw any manifestation of these remorse so I think there’s no remorse at all. On the other hand the big artists in the today showbiz – how many of them has a really interest in Michael Jackson in the last years? No-one support him in those hard years – no-one believed in his innocence and they were afraid that he can affect their image. Why seems to me absolutely false all these words told after his death? Why they can’t stand up and claim they friendship when he was alive and in hard times? Who needs now all these words? What they can change now? They have also a part of guilt.
No one tells us loud and clear – I have my part of guilt, the remorse tortured me, no one, no family member, no stuff member, no close friend, no one from the showbiz.
In his life he was alone. If you watch closely his photos you can see the deep sadness and loneliness in his eyes..... If I could take him home and heel his wounds.... On the forums the fans are complaining that they can sleep, eat, work properly since June 25. Some of them are in trouble with health, work and life. Other cries everyday behind doors and others are waiting in the therapist room. We all are ordinary people who loved Michael from the bottom of our souls. We can only pray that GOD takes Michael’s soul in his arms and that he’ll find the unconditionally love, peace and harmony that he ever looked for.


Alicia   August 27th, 2009 3:58 pm ET

yes, Magda, where were his friends and family when they needed him? Even Brooke Shields, who said she was such a great friend to Michael, hadn't even seen him in over 10 years! What kind of friend is that? Where was everyone!??!?!?!?


Sheletta   August 27th, 2009 5:54 pm ET

Wendy: No I don't think that Dr Murray, should stand alone with this screne. I really believed that there is more then it being let out. Dr Murray along with at least six other doctors play role in all that is going on. Also, I too suffer from insomnia, have been this way since 1986, the doctor has prescribed me two different sedatives, which I take sometimes. I do not like the way it makes me feel. But yes I would be interest in what artile you are talking about just email me at shoulethr46@yahoo.com.

So, are you saying that you believe that this is michael's fault, what happen to him?


Sheletta   August 27th, 2009 6:17 pm ET

Magda: You hit the nail right on the spot. Now, just reading what you said makes my heart hurt more. WOW. I would like to comment more on what you said but I can hardly think, yet type. I am weak right now from Dialysis treatment, but I will keep this note for later and read it again. Thank you for point out what some of us may had wanted to say but did'nt. Thank you


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