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August 4, 2009

Posner: Michael Jackson of Arabia

Posted: 12:14 PM ET

From The Daily Beast's Gerald Posner:

Criminal investigations and probate court hearings this week underscore the medical and financial disaster that Michael Jackson became. And many of those roads lead to the pop superstar’s bizarre year in the kingdom of Bahrain.

Michael Jackson’s descent toward death could be pegged to any number of dates, but a sure one was June 13, 2005, the day he was acquitted of all charges in his child-molestation case. Within a week, he had bolted California for the oil-rich island nation of Bahrain, where his friendship with Prince Abdullah bin Hamad Al Khalifa, the 33-year-old second son of the king, began an odyssey of odd behavior that eventually ended up—as did many other post-trial Jackson relationships—in court, and raised more questions about the singer’s state of mind and possible deepening drug use.

Jackson was encouraged to go to Bahrain to escape the crushing media scrutiny at the urging of his brother Jermaine, who had converted to Islam in 1989, after his own visit to Bahrain and Saudi Arabia and has business dealings there. At only 300 square miles, Bahrain is smaller than New York City and has just over 500,000 citizens. Beyond its capital of Manama, with its wide palm-tree-lined boulevards, modern high rises, and sprawling luxury malls, the country has a sleepy village ambiance.

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Linda from New York   August 4th, 2009 12:32 pm ET

Will you just stop already with the Michael Jackson Bashing. Get a real job. He is dead; can't you just leave him alone.


MIMI   August 4th, 2009 12:34 pm ET

CNN, I CAN SEE U MORONS HAVE NOTN ELSE 2 DO BUT TO SEARCH THE INTERNET FOR MJ TABLOID NEWS...WATEVER HAPPENED IN BAHRAIN WITH DAT SO CALLED PRINCE IS NOT WORTHWHILE.... MICHEAL SAID THE MONEY WAS A GIFT.... LEAVE HIM ALONE N SHUSHHH.


mariau   August 4th, 2009 12:48 pm ET

CNN, WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO DO? FOR GOD SAKE STOP BASHING MICHAEL JACKSON.. THAT TABLOIDS IS GARBAGE!!!!!
ANYONE CAN MAKE THEIR STORIES.. UNLIMITTED GOSSIP ..
ANYONE OR ANYBODY.. CAN WRITE NEGATIVE TO MICHAEL, HERE THERE, ANYWHERE .... MICHAEL IS DEAD ALREADY, HE IS DEAD BECAUSE OF YOUR TERRIBLE GOSSIP..
ANYONE, ANYBODY.. ESPECIALLY YOU MEDIA, YOU ARE THE MOST POWERFUL DESTROYER OF MANKIND.. YOU SHOULD AFRAID TO GOD..
MEDIA.. YOU ARE THE MOST DEVIL TO DESTROY ANYONE...


mariau   August 4th, 2009 12:53 pm ET

anyone, anybody can come forward to reveal a story.. because.. the truth is.. they made this stories to be sensational and controversial.
for God sake.. MEDIA SO POWERFUL TO DESTROY ANY MANKIND... YOU ALREADY DESTROYED MICHAEL JACKSON 25 YEARS AGO.. BUT, PEOPLE STILL CONTINUE BUYING CD. LISTENING TO HIS MUSIC AND REMEMBERING HIM...MEDIA ... YOU DESTROYED MICHAEL... 2 BILLION TIMES.. ALREADY.. PEOPLE HEARD IT ALREADY...
WHY UNTIL NOW.. YOU ARE JEALOUS?????? MICHAEL IS ALREADY DEAD....


Dana   August 4th, 2009 12:54 pm ET

I just knew that the Island of Bahrain had something to do with Michaels problems. Maybe thats where that Dr. Murray came from.


Dana   August 4th, 2009 12:55 pm ET

MIMI,
if the money was a gift 24. something then why did they ( the island of Bahrain) want him to pay it back?!


mariau   August 4th, 2009 12:57 pm ET

YOU COULDN'T IMAGINE ... LIFE AND DEATH OF MICHAEL JACKSON STILL PEOPLE LOVE HIM.. STILL HIS CAREER MOVING ON THE HIGHEST LEVEL OF RATINGS.. HIS CD'S, BOOKS, AND HIS VIDEO.. STILL HE IS NUMBER ONE!!!!!!
THAT'S WHY WE LOVE HIM.. THAT'S WHY AROUND THE WORLD LOVE HIM.. BECAUSE THE MORE YOU ARE BASHING MICHAEL, THE MORE WE LOVE HIM..... PERIOD.....


Toni   August 4th, 2009 12:58 pm ET

Good morning girls. You started early. So this is the crap we wake up too? All of this crap the media has been covering is all speculation and their word against Michaels...............well how convenient is it that Michael isnt here to defend himself. Yet they cant hand over ONE ounce of proof to their allegations. Come on CNN start proving your stories or stop. Michael and his children do not deserve this.
Hey JVM was /is an alcoholic. Do you think when she dies, we'll here all the gory details from her life?


Toni   August 4th, 2009 1:03 pm ET

mariau
Unless Michael were to have told me exactly what was going on in his life and mind, I will never believe anything else anyone says. And neither will the true people that loved and respected him. He will forever have the biggest fan base in history.


Honorine   August 4th, 2009 1:03 pm ET

Bahrain my foot!!!
Leave MJ ALONE.


Linda from New York   August 4th, 2009 1:03 pm ET

Toni-that's right–Maybe someone can bring out all the details from her life. How would you like that Janie?


Linda from New York   August 4th, 2009 1:04 pm ET

What will they come up with next?


mariau   August 4th, 2009 1:07 pm ET

Dana, i will tell something about the country of Bahrain...
it's muslim country.. and it's forbidden to drink alcohol, take drugs and do all the satan doing. it's not free country.. most of their time, they are praying and go to mosque.. and their only leisure is to drink tea with friends and dance and sing with their traditional music... this issues of from the daily beast..was not true.. because.. if Michael and that princes of Bahrain took that drugs.... i will tell you that Prince will go to jail.. even he is prince.. i really don't believe this story.. and this absurd..
i lived in Middles East for more than 8 years.. and there's no way out.. to do whatever you want to do here.. that country was very concervative country..
Michael, didn't want to continue that business with the Prince of Bahrain, because it's forbidden to a muslim to make that music business. it's not allowed for them to use other languages of music, especially rock, or pop, or hiphop or rap.. any kind of foreign music.
that's why... Michael did a good decision.. not to continue..

THIS TABLOIDS THEY DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT THEY ARE WRITING HERE....

THE PRINCE OF BAHRAIN... FOR GOD SAKE.... HE IS ANGRY BECAUSE HE GAVE MORE EXPENSIVE GIFTS TO MICHAEL JACKSON....


Read   August 4th, 2009 1:16 pm ET

Larry King's obsessive coverage of Michael Jackson is a disgrace. Jackson was a known pedophile, an anti-semite (check out the song "They Don't Care About Us"), and a junkie to boot. There are far more worthy topics of discussion. The American public are tired of hearing about this guy. This is political correctness at it's worst. If I wanted a daily dose of propoganda, I'd watch Fox.


mariau   August 4th, 2009 1:17 pm ET

i believe how gracious and kind of Michael Jackson's family.. because.. if Jackson's family is not gracious and kind.. they can take libel case to all this media, all this stories... and magazines and people who is telling lies and dreadful stories. i'm sure all of them will go to jail..
before you realeased something like this.. at least show some proof!!!


mariau   August 4th, 2009 1:21 pm ET

YOU DON'T HAVE ANY IDEA HOW DIFFICULT TO LIVE IN MUSLIM COUNTRY.. LIKE SAUDI, BAHRAIN, UAE.. IT'S LIKE YOU ENTER IN THE HOUSE FOR MONKS....THIS IS REALLY ABSURD.. OBVIOUSLY DECEITING MICHAEL..


carrie   August 4th, 2009 1:26 pm ET

Why didnt Michael Jackson have children that were black as well as white? It is as if he didnt need black people support until he got in trouble.


Toni   August 4th, 2009 1:31 pm ET

Ok girls....PLEASE go to this and read it.Great for Michael.
Contactmusic.com,,,,,,,,,,,,,,"Jackson on verge of breakdown" before death. GO GO GO.


Cindy   August 4th, 2009 1:31 pm ET

Larry your show has become nothing more than a tabloid magazine show. Why the continuous bashing of Michael Jackson? You are hurting his family and most of all his children. Why not dedicate a few shows strictly to the wonderful entertainer, father and most of all humanitarian he was? Why can't he rest in peace? It's no wonder that Michael had problems with drugs. Honestly the constant negative media attention and the lies, lies and more lies that he had to bear every day of his life. You know Larry that a good percentage of the media reports are either untrue or completely inaccurate and your show used to be the only show I respected but that's all changed. Between the Candy Spelling type of airing dirty laundry that you allowed the well known liar Griffin to talk about on your show when Ryan is still grieving for Farrah was totally out of line. Griffin is just a spoiled rotten Hollywood raised person that wants media attention. Please stop the bashing of Michael Jackson and have some show dedicated to strictly what a good person he was. After all there are two sides to everyone and sadly only one side of Michael is being shown by the media. Many of Michael's problems were a direct result of his upbringing and the next one responsible is the media so please show some respect for the dead and let Michael rest in peace and let his children and his family grieve in peace. This has been devastating to all who loved Michael for the good in him including the public that loved him despite his faults.


Kris   August 4th, 2009 1:36 pm ET

I find it more than a little interesting that when a story about Michael Jackson is positive almost everyone is thrilled to hear it, yet when it is negative those same people are angry and disgusted. I too am a fan, but not fanatical. I see him as a human first, musical genius second. There were multiple good and bad things about him and sadly all will, and have, been exagerated. Keep in mind that pretty much everybody telling stories now, that didn't when he was alive, all have something to gain in money or notiriety. I have trouble believing ANY of them... if they want to respect Michael Jackson they would give him the privacy in death that he craved in life....only his family seems to be doing this....


mariau   August 4th, 2009 1:36 pm ET

you know what Cyndi, it's like they are Bashing american culture.. tooo...they should be aware that all around the world, recognizing the culture of american.. your GREAT TALENTS, ENTERTAINER, ACTOR, ACTRESS.. look at this way... YOU SHOULD LOVE YOUR OWN... IT MEANS.. IF AROUND THE WORLD LOVES MICHAEL AND RESPECT HIS LEGACY..
AMERICA SHOULD DO THAT FIRST TO MICHAEL...


Toni   August 4th, 2009 1:41 pm ET

VERY well said Cindy!!!


mariau   August 4th, 2009 1:47 pm ET

I AGREE TONI, VERY WELL SAID... CINDY.... I COULDN'T SAID ANY BETTER..


Tom-Cypress   August 4th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

It's now plain to see why Micheal Jackson was under so much stress.
Everyone he knew was and still is trying to get a piece of the pie.


jolande   August 4th, 2009 1:59 pm ET

hy cant the tabloids leave mivhael jackson alone let him rest in peace and we have to respect michael for being the man he was everybody makes mistakes in his life famous or not michael was such a wonderfull person his legacy will live for ever rest in heavenly peace dear michael


b   August 4th, 2009 2:11 pm ET

Is it possible for the family to sue all these people making up stories. If so I hope they DO.
Larry, if you could make a show on his music and humanitarian work that would be great. Michael is not here to defend things people are saying about his personal life. He's human and he might have done some mistakes. Why bring it all up and judge it? After all we all make mistakes. And his mistakes were shown and talked around the world.
Stop judging him because we couldn't understand the shame and stress he must have felt to deal with it.

I think he is one of the greatest and wonderful, beautiful people ever been on this earth. No matter how many surgeries he did. He still had that aura about him looked GREAT. I give him so much credit. Despite all the fear, stress, sadness, pain, loneliness and criticism he fought it till the end. We could possibly never imagine how hard it would be to deal with all he dealt with in public eye.
So let him R.I.P!


Joy from texas   August 4th, 2009 2:17 pm ET

I watched the home video of Michael with his 2 small children broadcast on the Nancy Grace show last night. I was astonished when the video ended only to be analyzed by psychologists and the like who again criticized Michael for possibly staging the video and teaching the children what to sing. MUST EVERY FACET of MJ’s life be put under a microscope? Why doesn’t CNN ever mention all the good that Michael did for people and various charities?


mariau   August 4th, 2009 2:24 pm ET

b... well said..


Honorine   August 4th, 2009 2:29 pm ET

b

I really wonder how he sustained all of that.


Maureen (UK)   August 4th, 2009 2:41 pm ET

Holland
Thanks for the link and beautiful overview of MJ by Matt Semino.


Maureen (UK)   August 4th, 2009 2:43 pm ET

Thought the MJ of Arabia article was utter rubbish.


b   August 4th, 2009 2:49 pm ET

mariau – Thank You

Cindy – I totally agree with you
Have some sensitivity to Michael’s children and stop planting doubts in their minds. Haven’t they been through enough losing the person they loved most in the world?

Why every single thing Michael did have to be judged? Media is treating him like some kind of a joke. They are analyzing the private home videos like a movie. He's a human being. And his kids are real too. And they do have feelings too. I feel so sad for the kids. I hope Mrs. Katherine protects them from all this rubbish.


olivia   August 4th, 2009 2:49 pm ET

hi im olivia and im 16 i think people should leave michael alone i dont think he did drugs i know for a matter cause i did drugs sinse i was 13 and im 16 know iv did bad stuff in my life cause my mother is leaving my dad and i stop doing drugs and dranking cause of michaels music when i listen to his music it makes me wounder where would i be if it was not for michaels music i loved him i still love him with all my heat and i will not forget about about the man in the mirror i learned so much about him and from him love everyone and it dose not matter what color you are has long has you care for each other the first song i have ever heard from michael was who's loving you from when he was a jackson 5 i listen to that song every day and i cry that michael is gone ang for my 17th birthday in october i was going to go see him and see if i could meet him but thats not going to happen i hope everyone would leave him alone and let his mother and family have a calm life and for michaels 3 cute childern let them get past this hard time they just lost the only parent they had and i think paris,prinse and blanket look just like michael there cute sweet and look so gifted and thats what michael was i mite have been born in 1992 but i know that michael was a sweet and caring man god bless him RIP and i hope that his family is ok and we loved michael and still do love him with all are hearts ill miss you michael please tell the family that i pray for them every night larry thank you and leave him alone please. let him rip he will always be the king of pop and rowe should not have no viste rights she said on camra she wanted nothing to do with those kids and dr kline he can go to hell he is not the father and he needs to stay away from michaels kids and joe jackson he can go to hell as well if i ever meet joe jackson i will beat him and say a lot of to his face thank you....


carrie   August 4th, 2009 2:51 pm ET

Cindy,did i say the children werent his? What is said is that why couldnt he have had a few black children as well. Of course you are probably a white talking all that smack.


Toni   August 4th, 2009 2:56 pm ET

YAY, Cindy, great comment. I agree 100%. My husband and I are caucasian and adopted two Chinese daughters. And you know, They were born in my heart, not under it. So they are 100% my daughters.

Michael has given statement after statement saying how proud he was to be black. I think some people are coming in here and leaving comments, when they didnt know one thing about Michael Jackson. Thats your right, but maybe go back 50 yrs and follow his life until June 25, then maybe some of your comments might make sense to the rest of us that have followed his life work, trials and tribulations. Some of you are taking the last 5 or 10 years of his life and analyzing it to death. But the last few years does not show what this man did for so many. It is only the public and media's slow murder of him. For most of us here that had the opportunity to know the true Michael Jackson, I say congratulations. For those that have only known him the last few years....all I can say is you lost a great lesson in life , because he taught the rest of us more than we could ever thank him for.


sarah   August 4th, 2009 3:01 pm ET

Please leave Michael alone, i mean what is the point of this story, everyone is making there own story coz they know Michael is not alive to defend himself, it was so heart breaking to us fans from all around the world to see him tortured by the media and now he can't even have peaceful death???? Michael suffering is over now but how long his family his children need to suffer from all this???? He was the most wonderful, and kind human being and most of all a most generous humanitarian of all time, do a story on that, all this bashing its not a journalism its a character assassination...
Michael one of the greatest entertainer of all time, He will be remembered forever, let him please rest in peace...... Fans of Michael and viewers of your show from KARACHI SINDH !!!!!! PEACE


mariau   August 4th, 2009 3:10 pm ET

CNN no wonder why Michael is a tortured soul... because there's someone like you...

Dear Larry,
if Michael had only one mask... i guess larry you have 5 mask....


Toni   August 4th, 2009 3:11 pm ET

I believe Blanket is his Biological son, which makes him half black. WHO CARES!!! They are Michaels children !!!! This is freakin ridiculas.


carrie   August 4th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

Toni, I dont care what color you are and what color kids you adopt. My question is Why could he have had a few black kid, like himself. If you are so open to adopting kids outside your race then more power to you. Again I see nothing wrong with people of different races adopting children outside there own race. It was obvious that Micheael Jackson wanted to be white. He used high power bleaching cream to be whtie. He might have had a skin disorder, but still how many black people, other than his family, were a part of his life?


FARAH   August 4th, 2009 3:17 pm ET

Can't believe this. What are they trying to imply? That MJ's stay in Behrain has lead to his untimely demise? OMG this is so ridiculous.


FARAH   August 4th, 2009 3:18 pm ET

Read

U had better watch Fox for years to come


Toni   August 4th, 2009 3:19 pm ET

Carrie
Not worth it!!


FARAH   August 4th, 2009 3:35 pm ET

Holland,
thank u so much for the link. The article made me tearful.

Michael was so misrepresented by the media. But where were we (MJ fans) at that time? In all fairness, we have our contribution to what happened to MJ.

Michael rest in eternal peace that was so elusive in this world for u. Will always remember u and ur kids in my prayers.


carrie   August 4th, 2009 3:48 pm ET

Toni, funny how the truth tends to shut people up.


jonathan   August 4th, 2009 3:54 pm ET

I think the estate needs to file a few lawsuits againts these sleazy writers. They probably are working on it. Bahrain may have some issues with this article as well.

This article was a waste of space. I can't believe someone let this garbage be posted on CNN which is supposed to be a legitimate news site.

The stuff in this article, with no first hand knowledge. is only fit for shredding, not even toilet paper worthy.


Linda from New York   August 4th, 2009 3:54 pm ET

Hi Ladies


Toni   August 4th, 2009 3:55 pm ET

No Carrie, some of us arent 5yrs old and clueless like you. Grow up!!


Toni   August 4th, 2009 3:58 pm ET

Hey, Linda.
Carrie thinks Michael was a racist...any comments??


Lori   August 4th, 2009 4:01 pm ET

Like this reporter dude was so accurate yesterday when he stated that the custody agreement contained a clause banning Joe Jackson.
NOT. The question is, does this commentator have any kind of credibility at all?


Inés   August 4th, 2009 4:06 pm ET

It's amazing how many snakes have crowled out from under the rocks with a new story about MJ. One of the main characteristics of MJ persona is how reclusive he was but after he died so many people that never or just once crossed paths with him have a story to tell, I think that the closest people to MJ besides his family and kids were his staff, apart from that he just had a string of shaddy characters waiting for an opportunity to profit. And regarding that arabian prince, it's only natural that he had to pay for the King of Pop expenses, after all MJ outranked him globally speaking!!! RIP sweet Michael!


Toni   August 4th, 2009 4:09 pm ET

Hi Lori. It's going to be a never ending story.


Lori   August 4th, 2009 4:11 pm ET

Michael has said in interviews that Blanket's mother was black; ergo Blanket is a black child. Michael has also stated in interview's that his father Josepeh Jackson, has blue eyes. Paris may have gotten those pretty baby blues from her grandfather, rather than her so-called "mother". Genetics is a tricky thing.

Michael wasn't a racist. He was making a point about discrimmination for everyone. He was the only entertainer with the guts to do so. Only an ignorant person would make that connection. AND when Michael realized how upset people became when they did not understand his message; he RE-RECORDED it. What entertainer today would even consider doing such a thing. But, you never heare much about this side of things, do you.


Lois   August 4th, 2009 4:12 pm ET

Carrie – he "might" have a skin disorder?? He DID have a skin disease. In an interview to Oprah he told her that he had a skin disease and he used skin creams to even out the blotches because it was very extreme.

I grew up with MJ and his music (being that I am only a couple years younger than him) and the media from day one put him through hell - especially about his skin disease and his plastic surgery. I don't think I would have survived this long if the media was that intense about every flaw on my face and body!


sarah   August 4th, 2009 4:15 pm ET

well said Lois !!!!!


Toni   August 4th, 2009 4:15 pm ET

Whats wrong Carrie? Is the truth shutting YOU up???


Lori   August 4th, 2009 4:16 pm ET

Have you never seen MJ's entourage and many of his business and social connections, carrie, he surrounded himself with black people; along with everyone else. Maybe you could give him the benefit of the doubt since you have no idea what he was dealing with. He was a human being. He lived his life. He shared his music. Why judge him?


Linda from New York   August 4th, 2009 4:16 pm ET

Carrie:

You did not just say that Michael Jackson wanted to be white. What a stupid, idiotic comment to make. Why the H-- would he want to be white. What is so good about being White? Michael said spefically when Oprah interviewed him that he was a black man and proud of it. Michael Jackson suffered from as Vitiligo, Do you not know this?
If you don't know anything about Vitiligo, I suggest that you look it up. So, you're saying he should've had children with a an African American Woman. Let me ask you this–What African American woman do you know that would've walked away form her children because of money. Michael wanted to have kids at that point in his life period. and not a relationship. Take a look at Blanket, and tell me again how Michael Jackson wanted to white.


Lois   August 4th, 2009 4:18 pm ET

Lori – I read the Rolling Stone article and in it, it refers to his father making some racial statement and it infuriated MJ so much that he had to speak out, which he did...to make sure the media and fans understood that he was not a racist. It was after that comment his father made when things started to break down between them....according to this article.


Toni   August 4th, 2009 4:18 pm ET

Not to mention that his Idols were James Brown and Sammy Davis Jr.


Toni   August 4th, 2009 4:21 pm ET

I have to take my girls shopping. TTYL tonight. Keep defending Michael!!


sharon   August 4th, 2009 4:23 pm ET

i think is is obvious tha omar is mjs son i hope it gets some of the money and wonder why micheal never talked about him and let he world know he was loved as a son too. i feel for omar in the christmas video micheal doesnt pay near the attention to him that he did to prince, it all seems hush hush.


Luda   August 4th, 2009 5:04 pm ET

MUST EVERY FACET of MJ’s life be put under a microscope?
------–

HI everyone!

Yes, some people are becoming almost pervert regarding Michael...
and strangely it is those who are saying he was...


Luda   August 4th, 2009 5:08 pm ET

I really don't understand that there is still people who deny he had vitiligo. I really don't get it!

Yeah, I know, Michael would say: "It's ignorance..."


Greg Miller   August 4th, 2009 5:16 pm ET

Larry, how many interviews are you going to keep doing about the M. Jackson? I mean enough already. What happened to you Mr. King? I used to love watching your program, but this M. Jackson thing is becoming a little over the top. To me you have lost all creditability with this Jackson thing. There are more important issues you could be talking about instead of every night it is the same ole thing, M. Jackson. It is a shame that M. Jackson is gone. And the world will miss one the greatest entertainers of our life time, but isn't time to move on Mr. King? What a shame, you used to be so good Mr. King.


Samantha - South Africa   August 4th, 2009 5:19 pm ET

Does Gerald Posner have nothing else to write about?I don't know why CNN even bother to post this crap!

As for Michael being labelled as a 'racist',that is just complete & utter lies!The man was proud of his black heritage and embraced it throughout his life,whoever thinks otherwise has certainly been 'poisoned' by the BS the media has circulated over the years!

And as for those three kids,it doesn't matter to me if they are biologically Michael's or not.What matters most is the undeniable fact he loved and adored them to bits.Those that are still debating over the paternity issue make it seem as if one cannot adopt kids and love them unconditionally!


Malaika   August 4th, 2009 5:33 pm ET

CNN please gv Michael a break!!! Bahrain is not responsible for Michael's death, pple who are really responsible for Michael's death are there in your country America, leave Bahrain out of this.


sarah   August 4th, 2009 5:33 pm ET

I agree with Samantha-Africa..... !!!


Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel   August 4th, 2009 5:40 pm ET

@Samantha, I have seen that clip before. I never doubted about MJ having vitiligo.

However, I wish he would have sought for help, for his change in appearance had probably only partly to do with that. His later appearence represented the state of kind he was in.


Maureen (UK)   August 4th, 2009 5:43 pm ET

OLIVIA
MAN IN THE MIRROR MEANT A LOT TO ME TO !


Malaika   August 4th, 2009 5:53 pm ET

Michael had vitiligo but Klien "the butcher" disfigured Michael's face


Ruby Coria, L.A., CA.   August 4th, 2009 5:53 pm ET

Hi Larry, it is true that Michael was big & is bigger now.. but what a mess behind the mirror.
Way to go Bill Clinton' & all who helped with those girls coming home.


Stu,Hungary   August 4th, 2009 6:04 pm ET

Wow.I see,media dont now how to stop tham evil selfs.Unbeliveble!I wish,everytime somebody wrighting som garbige,like this,burn down them hend.I thoughd,CNN is beather,thann this ! : P


carrie   August 4th, 2009 6:06 pm ET

Toni,No, I will not shut up. I say again, why didnt MJ have some black children along with those 3 he had?


Mahnoor   August 4th, 2009 6:06 pm ET

What is the point of posting this story i don't get it, whats Bahrain got to do with anything, Michael went there to get away from all the harsh media and so many people in his own country torturing him every second, no wonder he had to go somewhere....Why Posner is putting so much emphasis on Bahrain ????? It just sad and disgusting that people still can't leave Michael alone, don't know why CNN is posting these kind of articles like Michael did some serious crime living in Bahrain, come on do some positive covering of MJ death, give him a break, the man is dead show some respect, let his soul rest in peace, the peace that he didn't get when he was alive...... from ISLAMABAD.>>>


Dana   August 4th, 2009 6:09 pm ET

Michael is not a racist never was. He loved everyone no matter if your black or white. and to say that he wanted to be white, is really stretching alot. I would like to make a comment about the custody issue. I am absolutely thrilled that Mrs. Jackson got custody of the children..... I have 3 words for her ....


Stu,Hungary   August 4th, 2009 6:11 pm ET

Carrie!Why it is mether for you?ITS DONT CHANGE A THING!Tha legal father is MJ,and that is the fact.There is no other question.Is legal to adopt childrens,or yous donors.


Stu,Hungary   August 4th, 2009 6:14 pm ET

No mether,wath color!


Stu,Hungary   August 4th, 2009 6:15 pm ET

Tgis blogs now just make me angry.CNN,come up with som bether,i stop reading and bloging today in this sh.t.


carrie   August 4th, 2009 6:16 pm ET

Cindy, how convienent , all the sudden you suffer from the same disease as MJ, vitiligo.


Julie in Washago ONT   August 4th, 2009 6:16 pm ET

Larry, what, if anything, has come of the "rumoured" missing surveillance tapes from MJ's rental home from the night/morning of his death?
Surely, these would a great aid to the DA's office in helping clarify what happened.....or if this just another speculation?
I feel so sad that this is such a spectacle, Michael would be appalled that he is still being bashed by the tabloids.


Cindy   August 4th, 2009 6:16 pm ET

Malaika it WAS NOT Dr. Klein who did any of the plastic surgery on Michael. I just wanted to straighten out that misconception. I can't remember of the guy who did but sadly Michael had used this plastic surgeon repeatedly going to him for some procedures and then went to try and and have him fix his screw ups but all that happened was he made Michael worse. Dr. Klein was treating Michael for his Vitiligo and his Lupus condition. Now just before this series of concerts he was suppose to do Michael did ask Dr. Klein if you could at least make his nose more presentable as Michael finally GOT IT that his old plastic surgeon had really screwed him up. Poor MIchael was even having trouble breathing because the cartilage on both sides of his nose had collapsed. Dr. Klein said all he could do was try to rebuild some of it to make it look more normal by using some kind of molding material but it wasn't a prosthetic. It was permanent but Dr. Klein never got to finish it. I just wanted to clear up that misinformation that it was Dr. Klein who messed up Michael's face. Whoever it was definitely was a quack as far as I'm concerned because he really messed him up. Again another doctor that would do anything for money and had no ethics.
There are so many reasons why Michael had a poor self image of himself and part of it was his father making fun of his nose when he was younger, then the disfiguration from the Vitiligo and Lupus and there may be other things we will never know as to why he felt so insecure. It's really heartbreaking. The other was the media bashing just like he is getting today after he is gone. Sad!!!


sarah   August 4th, 2009 6:18 pm ET

to Carrie, it doesn't say anywhere that if u are black and marry a white, you have to adopt a black or white children......MJ was a proud to be black but he doesn't need to show his love by adopting children of every race, like the trend that is going around these days in Hollywood..... I bet that if MJ married a black women, and had children people would be saying that oh Michael bleaching his skin to become white , why didn't he adopt white children with his other two black children......!!!!!! PEACE FANS OF MICHAEL FROM PAKISTAN


Stu,Hungary   August 4th, 2009 6:22 pm ET

I dont understand,Michael looked realy good at 80-s and 90-s.Why tha changes after that...


Mahnoor   August 4th, 2009 6:26 pm ET

What is the point of posting this story i don't get it, whats Bahrain got to do with anything, Michael went there to get away from all the harsh media and so many people in his own country torturing him every second, no wonder he had to go somewhere....Why Posner is putting so much emphasis on Bahrain ????? It just sad and disgusting that people still can't leave Michael alone, don't know why CNN is posting these kind of articles like Michael did some serious crime living in Bahrain, come on do some positive covering of MJ death, give him a break, the man is dead show some respect, let his soul rest in peace, the peace that he didn't get when he was alive...... from ISLAMABAD.>>


Malaika   August 4th, 2009 6:29 pm ET

Cindy.. thanx
but i still believe Klien & Debbie NEVER loved Michael, they onli wnted his money, why is Klien sayin all this BS abt bio sh.t??? hw does he think the kids wl feel if thr wr to read that crap???


carrie   August 4th, 2009 6:33 pm ET

Stu, you are right Michael did look really good in the 80's and 90's before he started bleaching his skin to high hell.


Stu,Hungary   August 4th, 2009 6:36 pm ET

Yes,but i understan,he was try to do something about vitiligo.I would not look like a cow.Hi just trusted a dr to fix hem.


Stu,Hungary   August 4th, 2009 6:37 pm ET

I meen,i would not like to look like a cow


Lori   August 4th, 2009 6:41 pm ET

Carrie, lets agree to disagree. Its a hot button topic, But, frankly it really has no relevance now. Michael Jackson is dead. What matters now is finding out if it was murder and if so, what is going to be done about it.

Everything else is just petty and ignorant. Shamon


Cindy   August 4th, 2009 7:07 pm ET

Malaika I think that Dr. Klein did that first interview with Larry King to clear up the misconception that Michael bleached his skin to be white and he wanted to make it clear that Michael was suffering from Vitiligo and Lupus but I must agree that I have to question his motives since that interview. It was very confusing and questionable when he went to the custody hearing yesterday. Maybe it was really about concern that Michael's children would continue to get a good education but I still have to question such a move. Especially since Debbie Rowe visited him last week at his office. I have no idea what his or Debbie's motives are but all I can do is hope that it is nothing more than concern that Michael's children are properly cared for. At least hopefully this will be the end to it because the children are where Michael wanted them to be and Kathryn has plenty of good people to help her with raising the kids. After all some don't know that Kathryn has been raising some of her other grandkids for some reason but I'm not going to speculate on that one. That's their business and I pray that the media and public leave them alone so they can be raised the way Michael wanted. Out of the prying eyes of the media and a normal childhood. I hope now Michael can truly rest in peace. On a side note apparently Carrie you intend on staying ignorant. I have posted several links to prove that Michael had Vitiligo and so has Samantha from South Africa. It's your choice to ignore the proof and the truth and it really shows you want to believe only the lies and speculation. Sad really sad that some people refuse to learn the truth even when it's presented.


s.s.   August 4th, 2009 7:07 pm ET

Read,

MJ an anti-semite? Seriously? That's laughable! I hope ur not an educator because ur ability to interpret is way off.

MJ was never convicted of anything. Get ur facts straight before u post. Afterall, this is america! Ever heard of innocent until proven guilty? Yet another reason I hope ur not an educator!

Ur views do not reflect that of an entire country.

Half of the junk u watch on tv & call news (no matter what channel it's on) is propaganda.

I love how u call him a "junkie" like ur somehow better than people who have problems. I hope somebody pulls all of ur skeletons out someday for the entire world to see & comment on.

P.S. YOU ARE A PART OF THE PROPAGANDA...in case u hadn't noticed.


Lois   August 4th, 2009 7:08 pm ET

hmmm some people just don't get it...pure ignorance and it is really really sad!


Joy   August 4th, 2009 7:31 pm ET

I'm tired of hearing SMACK about Michael Jackson. I want to know who or what killed him. When will we get facts instead of speculation? I tune in to CNN each night thinking that maybe today will be the day that we can have closure, but no it is just more SMACK, more speculation. Maybe just drop the subject CNN until you have all the facts and answers that those of us who loved Michael need to know. May sweet Michael rest in peace. God bless!


Malaika   August 4th, 2009 7:31 pm ET

Cindy.... i hope so too cz Klien is bad news, the things he is doing makes me wonder really wat his intenions are? is he on crack or wat? m refusing to trust this guy & Debbie, remeber they wr in this 2getha right frm the start, Michael & Debbie's marriage was Klien's idea & now his saying he is the father of those kids??? he was never a friend of Michael, i dnt knw of a friend who can do such a thing, thats evil at its best!


Lori   August 4th, 2009 7:36 pm ET

Michael went to Bahrain to seclude himself and try and heal after the trials. It was probably one of the few places on earth that he could go to get any kind of PEACE


s.s.   August 4th, 2009 7:47 pm ET

Samantha-South Africa,

Just watched the vid that u posted. Thanks.

I was upset about some of the other posts but after watching it, I just feel calm & peaceful. His music has always had that affect.

I've learned my lesson. From now on I only listen to the music & videos. I'm done with the garbage that tv, magazines, & people want to spew. I just hope that people listen to his messages & look @ his humanitarian efforts & learn from them.


Stu,Hungary   August 4th, 2009 7:47 pm ET

Any how i love Michael jackson,i cant understand,how a person can spend 100-s of milions?


lindafromnewyork   August 4th, 2009 7:59 pm ET

Hi Guys–


Michael C. McHugh   August 4th, 2009 8:01 pm ET

Our top story tonight...Michael Jackson is still dead.


lindafromnewyork   August 4th, 2009 8:08 pm ET

Al Sharpton was coming out of an office building near where I work; I went up to him and thanked him for defending MJ. He said Thank you and that he really appreciated it.


Mara   August 4th, 2009 8:19 pm ET

Linda – I went to yahoo and then welovemichaeljackson.com


DINAH   August 4th, 2009 8:26 pm ET

HI MY NAME IS DINAH
I WOULD LIKE TO SAY I AM SO GREATFUL MRS. JACKSON HAS
HER SON KIDS THEY ARE IN GOOD HANDS IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SAD IF DEBBIE ROWE HAD GOTTEN THEM SHE IS A POOR EXCUSE FOR A MOTHER THE JACKSON FAMILY HAS ALOT OF LOVE TO GIVE THESE KIDS ARE IN GOOOD HANDS AN THEY ARE SAFE I JUST HOPE THE MEDIA LEAVE THEM ALONE AS FOR JOE JACKSON HE IS A GOOD GUY GIVE THE MAN A BREAK WHAT EVER HAPPEN 50 YEARS AGO THATS OLD NEWS FIND SOMETHING NEW AN POSTIVE AN LETS NOT FOCUS ON THE NAGATIVE


lindafromnewyork   August 4th, 2009 8:27 pm ET

Hi Mara:

Post something so we know it's you-and just mention your name, OK


lindafromnewyork   August 4th, 2009 8:33 pm ET

Mara -wait -go to groups first–search-welovemichaeljackson


lindafromnewyork   August 4th, 2009 8:36 pm ET

on fire–sounds suspicious


Mara   August 4th, 2009 8:40 pm ET

Oh darn I just sent a test. Let me go to groups.


Adrienne   August 4th, 2009 8:55 pm ET

Hey Gerald Posner. Did you the MJ Memorial?? Marlon said to leave MJ alone. In addition, his brother Jermaine asked that people leave MJ alone. Instead of digging up dirt why don't you follow the Jackson's advice and.............LEAVE MJ ALONE!! Get a life!


lindafromnewyork   August 4th, 2009 9:01 pm ET

I mentioned on the other blog–that Al Sharpton was coming out of a building near my office and I went up to him and said that I really appreciated him defending MJ. He thanked me and said that he appreciated it.


lindafromnewyork   August 4th, 2009 9:09 pm ET

Mara–Got it–Welcome-to our blog


lindafromnewyork   August 4th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

Mara come over to the new blog-


Mara   August 4th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I'm multi-tasking. I'm logged in – is that all I have to do? I'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer. LOL


JN   August 4th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

What do you think is holding up the Michael Jackson autopsy report?

it looks like there is nothing to support his doctor manslaughtred MJ.


Kris   August 4th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

For all of you who continue to put down the media for the never ending barrage of stories keep this in mind: Supply and Demand. There can be no product without a purchaser. If all of Michael Jackson's fans want to see these stories stop then do not give an audience. If nobody watches the interviews, buys the tabloids, or reads the stories then they will have to stop. Nobody will continue to sell something nobody is willing to buy. So instead of giving it such a huge audience, walk away, and take those who are also upset with you. Actions speak louder than words.


Antonio   August 4th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Frank Deloi or Don Rickles. Who do you believe. That Rickles is really good. What an impersonation.


stormylady   August 4th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Larry, how can you trust these guys? They are not truthful. Something is wrong. Neither one is telling the truth. Michael Jackson didn't trust his family, said that man Dileo, who michael fired years ago. Let's get this straight, he trusted everybody else, and he ends us dead, gone. His family loved him, and would never do any harm to him, not like the vultures and vampires. His manager returned just in time. The lies they have fabricated is evil., Will the truth come out? Michael can't talk and the liars are all on the same page. Follow the money. Tell all of them to take the LIE TEST. RIP..


Farah   August 4th, 2009 11:24 pm ET

SS

Well said, thanks


ROSY IN MIAMI   August 4th, 2009 11:41 pm ET

I have read multiple comments day in and day out throughout the soap opera of MJ. Most of which have a great perspective. Keep it up everyone out there with minds that think out of the box. I think that we could piece together a case against Dr. Murray in a shorter time frame than the LAPD.. Whats the holdup? Let us know.


Farah   August 4th, 2009 11:47 pm ET

"Leave Michael alone"-- Now i m seeing this message in almost every post. My interpretation of this is that "stop all the irrelevant, speculative negative crap on MJ and his family. Stop prying into areas where Michael wanted privacy. 100% agreed.

This does not mean that we stop talking and remembering all the good things MJ did. Rite? It does not mean that we stop expressing ourselves that we r still-even after almost into the 6 weeks, so heart broken? It does not mean that we stop saying "rest in eternal peace Michael". It does not mean that we stop saying “Thank u Michael for rocking our world.” It does not mean that we stop remembering Michael in our prayers. It does not mean that we stop defending the angle whenever some slime is thrown at him. For all these, at least i can never leave Michael alone. Sorry guys and girls.


jude dusik   August 5th, 2009 12:25 am ET

These two journalists had no business crossing into North Korea and causing such expense to the US govt. to obtain their release. When do the media finally get the message that sensationalism costs more than is acceptable?


Maria   August 5th, 2009 1:02 am ET

First, I don't get why people wants to recycle such old stories that don't prove anything. That MJ wore a female garment "in Arabia"? Of course; he wanted to hide himself, from the sun and from people who could recognize him. And imagine the scandal if he would have chosen to fix his hair in a men's restroom! Now, please, read a story of an eyewitness, the one who broke the story (google: xpress4me "King and I: The day MJ called me"). It's about literally hunting a man like you hunt an animal. It's Michael Jackson – let's take pics, let's catch him, let's spread the scandal! And people wonder why he wanted to cover himself from head to toe and walk incognito!!

Second, the article of Gerald Posner was longer and included a reference to some video recording of MJ impersonating Elvis, singing "Nothing but a Hound Dog", a recording that was eventually destroyed, according to Posner's sources. Now that reference was deleted and the article was edited (see the UPDATE that admits that the story was dubious). If such a dubious story is considered a proof that MJ was weird or stoned, then what credibility have these sources? Anyone can say now anything like this and add that the recording was destroyed – it's nice and easy, all that they need is imagination and a dirty mind.


Pren   August 5th, 2009 2:16 am ET

I'm kinda getting a feel of what Mj endured through the media. I get incredibly upset and want to defend a man I never met – then I think to myelf, 'How did he feel ?'. Why was he so decent, why could'nt he tell these people to bug off?? why was he always so calm?
Man Mj – I wish you defended yourself...but if only you could see everybody defending you today – I think I would catch a smile on your face.


Farah   August 5th, 2009 5:41 am ET

Pern

A beautiful post. Thanks


P.M.Hanh   August 5th, 2009 6:49 am ET

I feel fed up with CNN
I love MJ, always


sadaf   August 5th, 2009 7:28 am ET

after his death media shud stop being cruel to him, they made his life miserable by constantly making tabloids and false stories. now let him rest in peace, have mercy on his kids.


mariau   August 5th, 2009 8:40 am ET

pren,

well said... that's why we understand how around the world loves Michael.. because he is a decent man.. an extra ordinary getleman.. that during his days.. he never sue anyone who's made a false and inappropriate details about him..

this how it works.. people will continue to love mj more.. because he deserves it..


Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel   August 5th, 2009 8:57 am ET

As a reaction to some postings here:

Originally MJ perhaps wanted to go to Bahrein for privacy reasons, but it turned out already quickly even there people wanted to earn with and from him.

I think the plastic surgeon was called Hoefflin. I think MJ could have stopped himself after 2000. It was then already obvious he didn't change for the better. Why didn't he just put a halt to it himself? I think, like Chopra said, it was because he was on a self-destructive path, which included also overdosing of prescription drugs.

As for anti-semitism, I am ready LaToya's memoires at the moment, and in it she admits the family was raised with a dedain for Jews. It was not so much Michael, but more the parents who were cursing the Jews in general, according to LaToya's literal words.

Farrakhan himself during his speech referred to the zionists, so there must be some truth in it.


jill   August 5th, 2009 9:25 am ET

oh pleas stop sayin lies about muslim people and country..

i lived in saudi 2 years it was easy country to live in.. the media know

nothing..people there are great and kind ..

media crush every thing they hate .. rest in peace my king ..


jill   August 5th, 2009 9:25 am ET

oh pleas stop sayen lies about muslim people and country..

i lived in saudi 2 years it was easy country to live in.. the media know

nothing..people there are great and kind ..

media crush every thing they hate .. rest in peace my king ..


Cocovelvet   August 5th, 2009 10:24 am ET

Hi everybody on the blog!!!,

Last night on LKL was that damn interview with DiLeo, now this absolute rubbish from this Posner!!!....JUST CUT THE CRAP CNN!! THATS JUST MORE THAN ENOUGH WITH MJ; EVERYBODY IS ALREADY SO FEED UP WITH YOUR SENSELESS AND BIASED REPORTING ESPECIALLY COVERING MJ......


wutever   August 5th, 2009 10:40 am ET

where is the article leading to??? pointless

hey larry...
i think the supposedly "shadow" of someone in Neverland is actually a real ghost of MJ
i think he's trying to tell u s/thing larry... y dont u investigate on that...

LOL


mariau   August 5th, 2009 10:47 am ET

do you know people, how muslim country respect Michael Jackson because Michael Jackson.. respect the muslim country..
this is really obvious that anywhere he goes, or every place he stayed.. People will be proud that they were part of Michael's life..

He went there in Arab so to search serenity in life. that he never had in America. the peacefulness and simply life style and concentrate spiritually.

because in Arab.. there's no MEDIA TO DESTRUCT HUMAN BEING
THERE'S NO MEDIA TO DESTRUCT HUMAN SOULS...

THIS IS ABSOLUTELY ABSURD AND INHUMANE!!!!

FOR GOD SAKE MEDIA STILL NOT ENOUGH FOR YOU??? HE IS DEAD....


Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel   August 5th, 2009 11:23 am ET

Mariau, of course there is no media in an Arab country, there is no freedom of press.

The fact is, something did not click between MJ and his friends in Bahrain. He left the country and went with his child care taker Grace to her relatives in Ireland. From there on he moved back to Vegas.


mariau   August 5th, 2009 11:36 am ET

Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel

sometimes, it's better to be silent .... sometimes.. too much freedom will lead in wrong way... i guess..


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   August 5th, 2009 11:37 am ET

Cocovelvet, I couldn't agree more. Posner's article on Michael is written with an obviously biased approach.


Holland   August 5th, 2009 11:43 am ET

Kris

I don't think those who are "angry and disgusted" about negative things written about Michael are "fanatical". Michael is certainly not a Saint, he's just a human being, and human make mistakes, they are not perfect. What is so unfair with Michael is the bad press tend to stress on the negative sides of Michael, sometimes they make accusations about things he didn't do – like someone in this blog called him a "known child molester" – known by whom? Now that's callous, and utterly unfair. And I just can't understand why people are so critical about his appearance, just ask yourself, how much does it hurt you if he has two noises, or three eyes? Why don't people just him by personality, how much has he done for mankind, instead of apperance?

Michael is in the Guiness book as a humanitarian. He had done charity as many as his concerts. Now, why is that no one talk about that, even this famous CNN, this famous Larry King Live program?

MJ's home videos are private, he didn't video his private life to show anyone. Now when it was shown against his wish, someone commented that "oh, Michael's kids always said their father is the best one in the world, because they were raised to say so". How stupid can that person be! Can you teach children say that if they don't feel so? May be that person has never raised a kid him/herself, or pathetically never been loved by any child before.


Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel   August 5th, 2009 11:58 am ET

@Mariau, yes and no.

Still, beside the MJ case, I pity the women of Saudi Arabia. I met a wonderful couple from Yeddah in Amman, last year. They were on a holiday. She showed me her outfit, covered from head to toe, only her eyes could be seen. In Amman she was wearing shorts, can you believe it? She told me that some 50 kilometers before the Saudi Border she changes clothes. It is sad, I pity all those that are trapped in fundamentalism, especially the women.


Helen Sanders   August 5th, 2009 12:00 pm ET

Katherine Jackson should be involved in Michael Jackson estate, she is a strong will woman. Just because she is 79 yrs old, that have nothing to do with what is going on. This is her son and she should know what is going on.

I believe th manager is telling truth.

The chef is not telling the truth. Something about her don't add up.

Dr.Conrad did not monitor Michael Jackson, but he should not have given him that drug and he should be accountable for what he did.

I believe as a fan, that Michael Jackson gave all he had to the world and whatever was done will come out. No he wasn't a bad man he took chances on life and wasn't afraid and people took that as he was weird, that's not weird .Michael Jackson always had big dreams and he live them. When he was younger and the statement he made, he was gonna be big and be a star. Micahel Jackson married Elvis Presley daughter, this was the man that made a statement, that the only thing that a black man could do was shine his shoes.Michael broke that, he married the daughter. Michael Jackson should have been given more respect and now that he is dead, now they want to give it to him.Sad that death make people rethink there words and there actions. I followed this man career through my life and when negative surrounding him all I could do was pray for him.

Joe Jackson is now standing up, but I give him credit and he deserve that, he was the one that push & push to get those men to were they are now. Does that make him a bad person. As long as him and Michael made peace, that's all that matters.No matter what, the Jackson's family always stick together in unity and that is what counts.

Michael Jackson time was 50 years and he gave more to this world then anybody. Remember him in love.


mariau   August 5th, 2009 12:19 pm ET

Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel

what i'm trying to imply here .. is the freedom of speech... there's must be balance.. not bias...


mariau   August 5th, 2009 12:23 pm ET

Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel

then tell me what about this articles they wrote here!!! is this freedom of speech... or freedom of vulture and torturer!!!!

when is too much is too much? when is enough is enough?


Lola   August 5th, 2009 12:34 pm ET

Linda from NYC
I agree with you, MJ did not want to be white..he admitted several times that he was proud of his black heritage. However, I disagree with your implication that only white women would walk away from their children for money. There are wonderful mothers that are both white and black and there are terrible mothers that are white and black. Debbie Rowe just happened to be available to Mj at the right time. I don't think he purposely set out to find a "white woman". But, I think if he was looking for a black women to sell her kids the same way DR did, he would be able to find one as well. I find your statement extremely racist. You say you are an MJ fan, the one thing Mj felt strongly about was abolishing color barriers. and racism, on either side of the aisle. Let's honor his legacy and believe that as well.


Jacquelyn   August 5th, 2009 12:36 pm ET

Leave Michael Alone!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


d5   August 5th, 2009 12:39 pm ET

THIS NOT HOW" " WALTER CRONKITE OR THE JOURNALIST BEFORE HIM WOULD CONDUCT THEMSELVES IN THIS BUSINESS OF JOURNALISM. MJ WAS RICH. RICH, RICH, AND SOME AMERICANS OR CNN CAN'T HANDLE IT . IS THERE , OR WAS THERE, SOMETHING WRONG WITH HIM BEFRIENDING THESE PEOPLE OR THERE COUNTRY? HE COULD RELATE TO THE PEOPLE AND THE MONEY, WE HAVE NOT HEARD, NOT ONE OF THESE PEOPLE SAY ONE DIRTY WORD ABOUT MJ. THESE PEOPLE REPORTING THESE MUST BE "MARTIN BRASHIIRS" PEOPLE.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   August 5th, 2009 12:55 pm ET

Jacquelyn - hey girl. Ditto! Just leave him alone!


Jacquelyn   August 5th, 2009 1:06 pm ET

Hey Nicole!

This so call media is getting on my very last nerve


Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel   August 5th, 2009 1:27 pm ET

@Mariau, I agree with you that slander is a wrong way of using the wanted freedom of expression and press.

But, both you and I still want to read all the details.

What I also notice is that when you say just the least negative of MJ, you are immediately accused of slander. I don't think this is just. I think truth is the best thing and if this contains MJ was an addict, I have no problem with that. It does not change my feeling for him.

Katherine has supposedly asked for a 3th autopsy. Why? If it is a crime, go and get the enablers, if not, accept it.


Jacquelyn   August 5th, 2009 1:36 pm ET

Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel

No they wont just go to the enablers, because evidently there is something more going on. She is a mother that just lost her child. Anyone with an ounce of maternal feeling would want to get down to the bottom of their child's death. So to say just move on from it is cold. If this was your child would you do that, no you wouldnt , that is if you love your child you wont. If Michael was an addict so what, but its not to the extreme they are saying it is either. People was stealing from him. This is not your normal neighborhood wannabe drug gangsters, this people are the real deal so they would do things differently. You should read up on it.


Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel   August 5th, 2009 1:45 pm ET

@ Jacquelyn, I am not saying move on and am not perse against a third autopsy. It probably won't give the answers, because the cause of death will probably be clear already.

IMO the Jacksons could better focus on other aspects of the matter if they want to prove a conspiracy. To prove that the medical records, that probably will show MJ was addicted, will not give an answer to that. So, I think it makes more sense to hire a private investigator, for it is my believe the answers must be found in the commerical and/or business department.


Jacquelyn   August 5th, 2009 1:55 pm ET

Yes it will show Michael was. Being that 2 autopsies was done by 2 different people the 3 one will validate one or the other claims, so no one could say there was a problem or something underhanded going on. They already had an investigator already.


Jacquelyn   August 5th, 2009 2:08 pm ET

Lola

I get what you are saying but a white female would be quick to sell their kids first before a black female would. The only way a black woman would do it is if she was high on drugs and even then it is questionable. Black people knew what is like to be sold from slavery. Michael knew better who to ask and I bet you his lips would never have fixed himself to ask that from a black woman either. Alot of people see this as being true. He didnt find out a woman to carry is children, Debbie offered and was willing and able to do this. Yes Michael felt strongly about abolishing color barriers and racism, but he wasnt stupid or blind either.


mariau   August 5th, 2009 2:10 pm ET

Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel

first of all for me, freedom means a positive way to move forward... thi is how i believed freedom.

second, as a Reader, we should know the credibilty and integrity of a writer or author of book, or any news papers and magazines.. before i buy books or any reading materials.
because.. if i will read everything and not looking for the author.. you will be mislead.. and the sad thing.. you will never know the truth...

as i said.. anyone, anybody can publish anything what's on their mind, which true or just a fiction.. that only created by the author and writer..

somehow.. it's all fiction.. no proof.. just like creating the world of the auther or writer.. just clearly fictitious...

third, being able.. means.. enabled.. not an addict.. because enabled means authority... someone has the authority to prescibed a medicine to their patients.. we pay physician we trust them, that we will be better..but we dont know if that doctor is liable to give us proper medicare.

just look our lives.. not mj.. what if you are the patient of Dr. Klein and Dr, Murray?
what guarantee you should ask if they are prescribing the medicines properly? sometimes.. we need to think.. esp. to Michael.. his billionaire man.. famous and high profile.. they are making profit for mj.. by giving him high dosages.. to become addicted to drugs..

dr. hoppine said.. MICHAEL WAS NOT DOCTORS SHOPPERS.. THE DOCTORS SHOPPING HIM....

FOR ME THE MEANING OF ADDICT.. IS SOMEONE WHO IS WILLINGLY TO TAKE DRUGS WITHOUT ANY PRESCRIPTION.. BUT WITH DOCTORS PRESCRIPTION AND SAID ITS MEDICATION DRUGS.. THEN... THIS IS NOT AN ADDICT!!!!


Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel   August 5th, 2009 2:19 pm ET

@ Jacquelyn, Mariau

Medically it will be impossible to prove MJ died due to a conspiracy. He probably died of a mix of drugs that interact with each other. On top of it he was not monitored properly, so when troubles occured Murray was not able anymore to revive him.

So I think that a third autopsy will not give the family the answers they are looking for.

I think the family already accepted MJ was an addict. Whether he shopped or was persuaded by shoppers, there is always a point that one can say 'stop'. The enablers are to blame for enabling despite his addiction. But this can be said about the plastic surgery as well. What respected doctor is willing to perform all those surgeries on someone that is being disformed? I just don't get that Hoefflin said no at some point. Enough is enough.


Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel   August 5th, 2009 2:22 pm ET

ETonline brings the breaking news the family has signed papers for Michael to be buried at Forest Hill Hollywood.


mariau   August 5th, 2009 2:45 pm ET

Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel
i totally disagree to you that the family of Michael accepted him as an Addict..
i'm not on denial here.. that MJ wasn't using drugs medication!!!
but it's drug to his ailments...


Lisa S   August 5th, 2009 2:48 pm ET

I think someone is encouraging the family to make a 3rd autopsy. I think it would have been much better to focus on moving and and try to find some kind of life again. Surely, Kathrine must be in a terrible state after having lost one of her sons. That is nothing oyu expect to do. The normality is that you pass before your children.

Sometimes, when you are in deep grief it you always ask why and try to find reasons and answers to how it could happen. You also want to know if there were something you could have done differently. Sometimes your find an answer but very often you dont. You just have to accept the fact that the person is dead and slowly step by step try to put the pieces of your self togehter. It is a very tough job. I hope that somebody tells KAtherine when it is time to stop. The question is what is happening if even the third autopsy is not telling them what they want to hear?

I pray this is not another thing encouraged by the media to squeeze more drops out of Michael death and by that being able to continue to sell more papers.


Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel   August 5th, 2009 2:58 pm ET

@mariau, if you take demerol (listen to the song Morphine), xanax, drips of propofol, then you are an addict. And that is normal when you use it so often. Your body gets used to it.

Of course the family knew, Janet alarmed her family when she discovered MJ was living in an almost empty home in Vegas.

Sleep and pain medication are famous for making people addicted. getting clean requires outside help and strong discipline and the willingness to undergo rehab symptoms.


Jacquelyn   August 5th, 2009 3:02 pm ET

Taking medication everyday do not make you an addict. Propofol was the doctors fault, because they gave it to him. That was not a prescription. So that means everyone that is on everday meds are all addicts and that is not the case.


Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel   August 5th, 2009 3:08 pm ET

Jacquelyn, MJ took the drips with him already in 1997 on his History tour. The fact that the doctors are to blame the enabled him does not make him less and addict. He needed to silence the turmoil in his mind, which is not so strange after the hell he has been gone through. I believe Chopra when he said he warned MJ for a long time about this excessive use of pills. One can be an addict without any prescription. That has nothing to do with it. It is really better for all those who loved MJ, to accept the fact he took pills and propofol to fight his pains, whether physical or mentally. Denial is always the first stage in a moruning process, acceptance will come a bit later.


Jacquelyn   August 5th, 2009 3:20 pm ET

Forget Chopra, he probably was one of the ones that referred Michael in the first place. So what Michael took pills yes he was in pain among other stuff. No one is in mouring that stage has passed and know its the time to try to get to the bottom of what happened to Michael, and please dont try to imply that I am in denial either. Like I said the Propofol is not Michael's fault its the idiot that gave it to him. And Just because the media said he had certain drugs does not mean he knew about them or was using them either. Thats whats wrong with people today you all are ready to label someone an addict but when they refuse to take the medication and decide to go about it the natural way you blast them. And lets say the people around him wanted to keep him drugged so they can control them. Depending on the amount they was giving and someone surrounding him I am pretty sure MIchael knew what was happening but really didnt have a choice in the matter because they would not let it be his choice.

And if MIchael really had all these medications 24/7 why was he begging the Nurse to get him something being that he supposedly had a doctor with him at all time.

You know what I am not trying to change your mind, what you think is your opinion, and vice versa. Lets just let it go, or we can continue going back and forth if you want too. I really dont have a problem with that at all 🙂


Lisa S   August 5th, 2009 3:27 pm ET

Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel

I dont agree with everything you say but you have a point with the medical substances. I have several friends with pain of different kind and they are on different medication but not a single one of them have drips. The olnly one i know that had drips where in the last stage of a malignt cancer. I ve never heard about people getting drip at home.

Again, I dont live in US so it might be common there but I tell you, if I heard about someone here having drip at home, not for an illness but do reduce pain I would be very worried, not to mention if it was a sister or brother.

Unless it is a usual thing in US I must say it is a wonder that people seem to have known about this drip and oxygen tanks and not raised and eyebrow. Taking drip and oxygen tubes on tours back in 1997. Is this a normal thing among artists? Is it so normal that people dont question it? Well, my theory is that nobody had to ask becaue they knew what it was about. Ask the family, most of them know!


Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel   August 5th, 2009 3:28 pm ET

Just take one look at Michael, the last 5 years, his weight loss, this awful plastic surgery, and a blind man can say he was on the way down. Which is not to blame him, his life has been hard.

Some doctor probably pointed him to the direction of propofol (or he found it out himself, for LaToya writes in her memoires Michael was given a full medical encyclopedia for his birthday by a doctor), and when it worked he wanted to do it again, until he finally could not do without anymore.

One must separate facts from emotions. Yes the enablers are to blame and need to be brought to justice, but also yes, Michael could not live without it anymore, especially under stress. These are two separate things.

And yes, IMO some people are still in denial, which is perectly fine, for it belongs to the process of mourning. I have a hard time with it myself, but I can take it, giving the fact I trust he is in good Hands now.


Lola   August 5th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

Jacqueline
Blanket's mother was black and probably got alot of money to walk away. I don't know if you even realize it, but your comments are extremely racist I am not going to even discuss this because your blind racism and ignorance is appaluing. I suggest you keep your racist comments to your self because your true personality is emerging and it is not pretty.You obviously do not read newspapers that tell of horrible abuse of children from both white and black households. There is no difference..it happens everywhere to all races, nationalities and religions. I am an educated black woman, who is fully aware of the horrible treatment of children in America today in black families as well as white families. Open your eyes. It never helps any situation to be blind.


Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel   August 5th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

@Lisa, I suffered some decade ago from persistent atrial fibrillation. I had several electrical cardioversions. They always put me down with propofol, just because you are awake quickly and they can stear you through the process and change things if all of a sudden needed.

It is absolute out of the question propofol is something to be adminstered at home, without an external cardio defibrillator and intubation sets and monitor equipment. Shame on the doctors who kept on doing this.


Lola   August 5th, 2009 3:39 pm ET

And another thing, I have a life. I have a demanding profession (social worker) , 3 kids and a husband. I do not sit on my computer all day, as you obviously do. You either sit at home all day or you sit on the computer at work, when you should be working. This blog is for leaving comments and then GET OFF! Not communicate with others racist comments on it all day long for months. Get a life! Mj stood for something wonderful and good. ry to honor his legacy. Obviouslsy you haven't a clue what he was all about. You shouldtake a good lookat yourself in the mirror.


Jacquelyn   August 5th, 2009 3:44 pm ET

I dont have to stop anything. And please stop me. Like I said look at the slavery aspect point of view. I see what kids go through I am surrounded with it everyday, if you read the post the way I wrote it and didnt try to put your own spin to it I have told you the reasons why. There is alot of abuse going on in all races, but we are not talking about abuse. We are talking about children being sold. Now Like I said,these are not just my point of views there are others as well. Your an educated woman, so am I. Despite what you think everything is not equal in the world. I have nothing against white people, anyone around me and didnt know me could tell you that. Ask a person about 40 years older than you. Then you see where I am coming from. Read the African American books and other literature, and you would understand why. And Blanket's mother is not black. Look at him. Do that look like a 100% African American child? And according to MIchael he did not know her, but whatever. Sure we come in all colors, but you are wrong in that case. So open your eyes. And take care.


Jacquelyn   August 5th, 2009 3:51 pm ET

Oh please. I work in a hospital, do volunteer work and also about to work for the Police Department and go to school. I dont collect welfare like you probably is doing. So you are not saying a thing to me. You sound hostile sweety, if you want me to I can take care of that. I can refer you to a mental institution. Bye and Take care, Loloser


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   August 5th, 2009 3:57 pm ET

Jacquelyn - I'm sorry - I was distracted earlier. How are you today?


Jacquelyn   August 5th, 2009 4:01 pm ET

Nicole S. - North Carolina

No problem. I am fine, just dealing with people who have mental issues offline and on.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   August 5th, 2009 4:08 pm ET

Jacquelyn - tell me about it. Last night, I had an un-provoked issue with a mental case on here. Some people will do anything for attention.


Jacquelyn   August 5th, 2009 4:12 pm ET

Yes they would.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   August 5th, 2009 4:14 pm ET

Posner's article is repulsive! If anything, *he's* the one with sugar in *his* tank! Larry, why did you post it on this blog? I thought you respected the Jacksons! Jermaine will be on your show Friday night. How can you look him in his face, yet post nonsense like this? Please get it together. I respect your craft - you're better than this. Next...


Brenda   August 5th, 2009 6:18 pm ET

elvis presley and eddie , here come micheal jackson , he take both of them and his way of doing things , he better then the king him self elvis presley , the 3 guys i name was and still before there time , all of them had part of them in each other , micheal went out there for us and we should said you thank you god , for all of them . take care of them all .
dear god u bless us now bless ever body else


Blanca   August 5th, 2009 6:24 pm ET

people should let Mj rest in peace for once-it is so sad and disappointing to know that people are negative and think they know everything about this kind man. Look at the facts and childhood before you judge him. He left great music and was a humanitarian who believed in the kindness of others. everyone is different t-he was not like other people he was truly unique-yes weird-strange but that was him- the king of pop.


Lisa   August 5th, 2009 8:30 pm ET

Yes Michael Jackson had flaws, but we all do. However, this doe not give anyone the license to judge. As many has said who are we to judge this man. He gave the world beautiful music and entertained millions. I can't image what his life was like. Can't do basic things such as go to the store, drive a car. Simple things we take for granted. How can a child be a child if he was never allowed to do so. He was an adult before he reached the age of 18. He supported his entire family. Again, I read each comment and wonder, other than his fans, was their anyone around him that really cared. It just appears he was lonely and in pain. Maybe he was self medicating for whatever reason. We need to understand he did not grow up and have a normal childhood. We don't know what he went through or his trials. If you do not believe in a God, or a higher being at least be a decent HUMAN BEING. Let the man RIP. Remember he was someone son, brother, uncle and father. Have mercy on them regardless of how you feel about the man. I cannot remember a time I did not hear his music during my life time. His music made us smile. It made us think. It stirred all our emotions. He was a very talented individual and I pray for his soul, mother, children, and family. Lets rejoice that for a few moments he shared his talent with us.


Vitoria   August 6th, 2009 2:26 am ET

Please quit digging dirty on Michael , does not matter what the press have to say and gossip any negative stories on Michael , we love him !
Michael is no longer with us , he can not defend himself , his children should not be subject to nasty head lines , the press had an opportunity to make up for the lack of respect they showed michael in his living years , it looks like that they don't have any better thing to do or to write about excepted to cash on the a dead man by creating those malicious articles , lets focus on the positive things Michael contributed in this world .
Michael left America after the trial to recovery the humiliation and pain he suffered from his accusers and you the media , who would have a right concentrate mind to write or to create any musical project after that terrible experience ?
Those people that invinted Michael should had know better , that was not the right time for michael to compose ,he fled America to relax
for sure he was not able to find peace over there as well everyone always wanted something from him ., please l be responsible
and go find a article to write about that could make a positive difference in someone's life .


Lisa S   August 6th, 2009 5:56 am ET

How can suggesting that somebodys dad is throwing dirt on sombody?? I dont think Blankets mother is black, rather latin or asian but what if she was? Why would it be bad to have a black mother.

Please, everybody in here. Try to keep the level appropriate and skip the racial comments, the bad vocabulary and the attacks. MAny of you in here are still in vounurable state and it is so easy that the whole discussion turns ugly.

Give you opinion and comment on others but if you dont agree and cant keep the person and opinion apart, leve that discussion.

Be a lover – not a fighter


mariau   August 6th, 2009 8:20 am ET

hi everyone.. to lisa s, jacquelyn, linda from new york, stu, and toni.

Elisheva, Jerusalem/Israel
still i disagree with you...

to lisa s. you are right.. well said


barendina   August 8th, 2009 5:30 am ET

hallo

ik kan geen engels maar ik wil wat zeggen
michael jackson is geen raar iemand
hij is of was een leuke vent
en wat iemand anders ook zeg hij is of was ,hij is voor mij een king

barendina


Maureen   August 9th, 2009 7:05 pm ET

If Michael was the addict so many are saying hasn't it enter anyones mind that the doctors treating found my have stated if back on the drugs mentioned to keep control of him just for the money.It was stated in 2005 drugs were' found then way didn,t police do something then to help this man,also the pharmacies that contined to fill these precription,s choose like the rest to turn their heads in order to make money well shame on them.This man cleaned himself up twice way in the world wood he go back to that life.He had 3 children whom he loved dearly does that sound like a man that would risk loseing them.If the police ,doctors,and pharmacies had done their job the right way these children would have their father today.How do these people sleep at night knowing they helped in is death.God will not forgive for taken another man,life.Michael was by far the greatest and most loving man on this earth.He will be missed by the world.


Maureen   August 10th, 2009 1:19 am ET

My HEART out to his entire family for dragging this man ,though the mud but they still drag him in death.Don,t people know what they are doing to his childern, I guess this is what they call blood money mercy on them.How do you sleep at night or look yourself in the minor each morning after what you have done to this man and his family. Would you like your name trash after death, I'm sure all of you have skelton in you would not reveled.Police Doctors and phamices had apart in michael death so face up to it. All of you only wanted a story,Well damn to you all I have not h eard one good would about Michael since his death. This would does not derseve a man gifted and loving man he was,now he is at peace where no one can hurt him again.All of you had caused this and now their are three beautiful children that most live with out the man they do so love. samn on all Doctors,Police and Phamices who gave these durgs to him.Money is all that matter to you not lifeuse you all chose to let this man die. When I was a child Doctors and people were to save lifes not take away.I guess the new law is that when they become no use just let them die. All of you took a oath to protect and save lifes . Shame on you because it didn,t happen this time did it now their are children and a family without their father,a son,and brothers and sisters. May you live the life they now have to live.


clarice   August 10th, 2009 4:58 pm ET

I am sorry for your loss. I pray he will be interred in Neverland.


Maureen   August 10th, 2009 11:32 pm ET

My heart truly goes out to his family.I believe the people who have done this will pay.It may take time but guilt will be their down fall,which In deed It should be.


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