July 29, 2009

Report: Murray Money Problems

Posted: 01:48 PM ET

art.conrad.murray.undated(CNN) - Dr. Conrad Murray was suffering financially with nearly $435,000 in judgments and liens against him over the past two years, according to court documents. Then he decided to leave his practice and work for Michael Jackson, getting paid $150,000 a month.

Before working with the King of Pop, Murray spent most of his time operating clinics in both Nevada and Texas after graduating from Meharry Medical College, a historically black school in Nashville, Tennessee, in 1989. He spent his internship and residency years in California.

At the clinics in Houston, Texas, and Las Vegas, Nevada, his patients had been surprised to learn that he would be leaving his private practice to work with Jackson.

Many told news outlets they support their former physician as he faces scrutiny by authorities investigating Jackson's death.

"I don't care what nobody says. He's a damn good doctor," Mary Webb, a former patient, told CNN affiliate KTNV-TV.


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Adrienne   July 29th, 2009 2:00 pm ET

Hey. LAPD... Do you need anymore evidence?? Arrest the man NOW. He is GUILTY!!

Toni   July 29th, 2009 2:02 pm ET

Well, good for them, because this doc is sick and needs all the help he can get. So keep fighting for your precious doc and Michaels fans will keep fighting for him. BRING IT ON!!!

MIMI   July 29th, 2009 2:06 pm ET


Dirty Diana   July 29th, 2009 2:12 pm ET

He didn't give his other patients drugs because they weren't paying him $150 000 per month! For that kind of money, he would put his own mother on drugs! Good thing he loves the limelight, because he is sure getting alot of it now. What a dispicable person.....lives in a million dollar home but is behind on child payments. He is a disgrace to the medical profession and he is fully responsible for Jackson's death. He should come out from behind his medical license and sdmit the truth. This is not a case of malpractice, it is murder.
I wonder if the body guard that introduced him to michael is the same one on the 911 call the morning Michael died. Why did he wait so long to place that call? Why did he run away? How did he pass his medical boards when he gives CPR on a soft bed? This is a travesty of justice.......

Jacquelyn   July 29th, 2009 2:16 pm ET

For the money they was paying Murray it should have been even more reason to be more careful with Michael than anything.

Lisa   July 29th, 2009 2:30 pm ET

Come on! He didnt murder Michael. Might have been a mistake but there is no reason for why he would comitt murder.

With those depts there was even more reson to make sure Michael stayed alive at least 3 months.

I think we all should wait and see the judges opinions. Like Michael asked us to do when he was accused of a lot of things.

Adrienne   July 29th, 2009 2:37 pm ET

LIsa, How dare you compare Michael's situation to this. Michael was framed and Dr. Murray knew what he was doing. Come on now.

Toni   July 29th, 2009 2:41 pm ET

It may not have been planned, but he illegally administered a drug that should only be given by a Anesth. , waited 3-4 hrs to call 911 and in the mean time called Michaels 12yr old son to watch cpr. How more responsible for his death can he get for Gods sake.

Adrienne   July 29th, 2009 2:47 pm ET

Also, if Dr. Murray was really truly MJ's friend. Why did he expose his children to this. He had to know how much MJ loved children and his own. That is pretty cruel to expose his children to this. He had to have known the consequences and risks. Because of Dr. Murray's mistake three children are without a father, millions of fans are mourning and a family is deeply distressed. He should have thought about that before he administered the drug.

Lisa   July 29th, 2009 2:54 pm ET


Dare? I dare a lot 🙂 I though we all have the right to give our opinion here..?
Im' just asking you all not to judge this person until you have all facts. You havent spoken to this person, you havent spoken to the people that are doing theinvestigation. All information you are getting is throuhg other people. We dont have the right to call anybody a murderer on that ground. That is being judgemental.

And unless we want to speak like the junk press we have to be careful with the terminology. Murder is deliberatley wanting to kill somebody. Does anybody writing in this forum know that Murray deliberately wanted to kill Michael? If not, then you cannot call him murderer. If he did it by mistake or by not being careful enough, hi is still no murderer. I stick to my previous posting, we must not judge a person before we have all the facts, not in Michaels case, not in Murrays case and not in any other case.

Toni   July 29th, 2009 2:56 pm ET

Not only were these three babies exposed to this, but that man has traumatized them for the rest of their lives. This is something that will never leave their little minds. Lisa, do you have children? If so, could you imagine one of them being told to witness your death. God this just keeps getting worse. I Pray God is sheltering Michael from seeing all of this crap.

Adrienne   July 29th, 2009 3:01 pm ET

LIsa, I apologize if I offended you, but comparing Michael's situation to this situation is upsetting. I don't believe I called anyone a murderer. I along with many other fans don't understand why it appears that this is taking too long.

Lisa   July 29th, 2009 3:06 pm ET

Off course, Toni. I agree with you 100 %. It is a horible thing for the children if that is what happened.

I teach my own children and all other children I work with, not to judge, not to jump conclusions and to not listen to roumors. I dont say that Murray is unguilty because i dont know that. Im just asking you to not jugde before you know the real facts.

Lisa   July 29th, 2009 3:13 pm ET

Adrienne: with "you" I mean everybody in the forum. There has been a lot of "murderer" written everywhere and I dont like it. It is not appropriate and it is not nice to call a person names when we have so little facts and the information is so diverse.

The first thing I read about this whole tragic story was the nanny "speaking" in a paper about how she pumped Michaels stomach on a regular basis. A week later she was in tears in TV saying that she had never spoken to any paper and that she had never pumped michael or anybody else, she didnt even know how to do it. What I want to say is that the best is to be very sceptical to things in the press, in time, we will get information. There are many people in this story that I think is VERY odd, and sometimes it is hard to be objective, but I try as much as I can not to judge people by what is written in papers and online.

Dirty Diana   July 29th, 2009 3:20 pm ET

You need to read Marcia Clark's Post. There are all different degrees of murder. No one is saying Murray committed premeditated murder, that's murder #1. But, yes, murder #2, which means he knew giving propofol was life threatening and he gave it anyway, He knew it was wrong, that's why he was getting $150000 per month. Then, tried to cover his ass, instead of doing what was right. I am speculating but probably made calls to clean up evidence. But, yes, of course he is a murderer. Proving it is another story. I hope the prosecutor does a better job than they did with OJ. I suppose you think OJ wasn't a murderer either?

Toni   July 29th, 2009 3:21 pm ET

I don't mean to offend you either, but somethings are pretty cut and dry here. The chef said she has visited the children recently. It was just recently that we heard about him telling Prince to watch CPR. How else would the family know this happened, unless they were told by the children and the chef. Prince looked completely in another world at that service, as did Blanket, so I'm sorry, but I tend to believe his son and the chef{ that appears to have cared for the well being of Michael and his children} over the media.
I'm only expressing my opinion and thoughts, and do not expect ANYONE to have to agree with them.

Lisa   July 29th, 2009 3:30 pm ET

Seems like everybody is getting at me becasue I dont want to call Murray murderer yet. 🙂 But I will stick to my opinion. Until convicted, I will not call a person guitly. Sorry, Toni, I dont know what OJ, was about. I dont live in US and I rarely read tabloids. So I cant say what I call him as I dont know that story.

I dont know what the family knows, is there anybody who knows for sure what the family knows? And do they know the right things? We can only guess and discuss and that is of course what this forum is for and Toni you are off course free to give you opinion as everybody esle. Im just asking you not to judge before we know.

Lisa   July 29th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

ooops, that about OJ was for Dirty Diana.

Adrienne   July 29th, 2009 3:42 pm ET

OJ Simpson, former pro football player, who was tried and acquitted of murder. Many felt that he got off free, he was later found guilty in a civil suit. Marcia Clark was the prosecutor.

Toni   July 29th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

Isn't that what some people have and are doing to Michael? As far as I can remember, he is a proven child molester, drug junkie, freak, just to name a few. So everyone is free to judge who they want, but I'm just tired of the doctor getting the benefit of the doubt, while Michael has already been accused, convicted, and crucified.
I will continue to defend him and his family, but I don't expect everyone to agree with me, and I won't necessarily agree with them, but I thought that is what bogs were for, to express your opinion.
I still respect anyone that doesn't agree with my opinion { unless they are really slamming him, and then I'm usually not alone}.

Dirty Diana   July 29th, 2009 3:53 pm ET

Goodness, you don't know who OJ is?????Wow! Why am I even bothering to reason with you at all? Get your head out of your butt and wake up! Have you been asleep for the past 10 years? Even my 8 year-old knows about OJ..(.and I don't mean orange juice.) READ THE NEWSPAPER AND LEARN WHAT IS GOING ON!

Adrienne   July 29th, 2009 3:59 pm ET

Toni, thank you for saying that. Lisa, that was why I got offended because I am sick and tired of hearing about the allegations with MJ it was clear he was framed. But, in Dr. Murray's case my main concern is #1 why in the heck were the children in the house when this was going on #2 you knew what you were doing and you involved the kids. And if you really were MJs friend, you would know how much he LOVED children and most of LOVED HIS children and family. But, I can understand you not being in the states that you may have a different interpretation.

Lisa   July 29th, 2009 4:02 pm ET

Toni: Becasue other people judge, doesnt mean that you or I have to judge. If we can rise above that we have reached a higher level and are one step before them in understanding people and supporting each other in stead of undermining each other. I disagree with you when you say that anybody can judge who they want, becasue that creates a society that I dont want to live in. It is in many ways bad as it is. Shouldnt we strive for a better society?

I was "yelled" at last week in this forum for questioning the fact that Bhatti was michaels biological son but it is ok. I was just supriced that the argument I got was "all papers writes about it and the parents have not denied it". As if that was proof of anything.

Anyway, before I leave here today and give some space to others, I want to challenge you. What are you doing the 29 th of August? I will celebrate by haveing a big Michael JAckson party and I have mainly invited really young people, ages between 15 and 25. I am planning it together with a 15 years old and we will have quizzes and games about Mj, we will dance all night long to his music. Before we eat, when everybody is seated, I will tell them all about his work, both with music and all his work for the world from when he got the prize from REagan for his work against drinking and driving to his involvment in tsunami. So my challenge to you is, how can we spread the goodness of Michael and how are you celebrating his birthday?

Lisa   July 29th, 2009 4:08 pm ET

Dirty Diana, you dont need to reason with me at all. I dont appricioate people using that language with me. I treat you with respect and you should do that with me as well. Just becasue I dont know everything about football player in US doesnt mean you should use that language towards me. How much do you know about the soccer players in my country?

Toni   July 29th, 2009 4:21 pm ET

Lisa, with all do respect...we are defending Michael because so many people made a society almost unbearible[sp] to him, by making a mockery out of everything he did and stood for.
And on Aug.29, I will be working at my job, but he will still be very much in my thoughts. Actually, it's hard to think of anything else right now.
I meant no offense, but I will not budge on thinking Michael was killed at the hands of this doctor no matter who paid him. And I will keep my voice out there until he pays for it. So we will just agree that we disagree and move on.

Lori   July 29th, 2009 5:38 pm ET


I think there is the potential that Murray could be prosecuted for "Implied Malice" which I think is Murder 2. Also one of the legal experts on one of the shows said it was possible that this could be a Murder 1 case because of the intent.

I know we must wait until something happens. But Murray has already admitted to law enforcement that he gave MJ propofol. And now Michael is dead.

Lori   July 29th, 2009 5:40 pm ET


“I don’t care what nobody says. He’s a damn good doctor,” Mary Webb, a former patient, told CNN affiliate KTNV-TV.

You think Dr. Murray is "damn good"? Why don't you put yur money where your moth is and have the good Dr. Murray stick an IV loaded with propofel in your vein and neglect to monitor you. I bet he would make a house call. Oh wait, you probably could not afford to pay him $150K.!

Lori   July 29th, 2009 5:48 pm ET

Lisa– if you don't live in the USA how can you possibly understand the legal definitions of murder in our country?

I take your point that Dr. Murray has not been charged with a crime and is innocent until proven guilty (there is no such word as "unguilty", LOL).

But if you are hired to keep MJ healthy and fit to tour, and then you allow him to die while under your care – what do you expect?

There are 3 children who have to face lifw without their daddy. This is heartbreaking!

YiniRamos   July 29th, 2009 5:53 pm ET

Dr. Murray wanted to keep Michael happy and pleased to keep his job instead of helping him, I'm so angry and upset, we cant get Michael back, we want justice....................................................

Cocovelvet   July 29th, 2009 7:57 pm ET


Ohh!! yeah!!! I understand why your analysis of this situation is so narrow!! Firstly ,you don't leave in the STATES, thats your first problem and probably the reason for you being so narrow-minded.

Secondly, if I can ask, how old are you??? You seem to be in your twenties, and I am sorry to say that ofcourse MJ had fans of all age groups, but when it comes to following up and understanding the history of MJ's music you the younger generation still have something to learn about that. I get goose pimples when you say that you are going to educate others about MJ on his birthday on the 25th August, I wonder what you are really going to say. DANCING AND WATCHING MJ VIDEOS IS OKAY ; BUT THE REST I WOULD SAY YOU BETTR NOT BOTHER TO DO.

When I read your comments about this whole issue, you seem to be somehow lost or ignorant about it, or you simply want to play a little bit different from all of us to make everything so exciting!!??


Dirty Diana   July 29th, 2009 8:34 pm ET

Now that's cruel. Everyone can have an opinion and express it here, as long as they aren't haters.
Knowing murray is guilty and proving it are 2 different things entirely.
Lisa is nieve to think "let the jury decide the truth". We all know there are many innocents in our prisons and many guilty walking free.
It all depends on the toxicology report right now.
Playing devil's advocate is helps to think of all the things murray's defense will bring up, mostly, prepare yourselves, they will attack Michael and try to make him look bad in every way. That will be their job. It will be difficult for his family , fans and all those that loved him to endure. The worse Michael is made out to be, the more innocent murray will appear.

LindafromNewYork   July 29th, 2009 8:46 pm ET

Michael was convicted and tried by the press here in the US. He was guily until proven innocent. As far as I'm concerned Dr. Murray needs to be arrested already.

Paula in Albuquerque   July 29th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

...yeah, and OJ didn't slaughter Nicole and Ron! This woman is "rooting for the home-team"...indignant that a Black doctor is being investigated...

Julie   July 29th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

bury Michael already

PINKY   July 29th, 2009 10:00 pm ET


GGL   July 29th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Can someone explain to me what the docs financial problems has to do with him being implicated in MJs untimely death ?

Lydia   July 29th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

I dont think Dr. Murray killed MJ on purpose. I think he gave him the drug and overdosed him by accident and then found out he messed up and tried to revive him by himself until he couldnt do anything and then called 911 when it was tooo late.

Lisa   July 30th, 2009 3:19 am ET

Cocovelvet: All I can say to you is that the first record I bought in my life was Billie Jean so I am defintaly older than 25. I didnt know that you were only allowed to comment here if you were American..?

You are right that I dont understand the american court system totally. Jury system I know nothing about but this case is not there yet. Nobody has been arrested. There are many things I dont get at all but I understand the difference between being convicted and aquitted.

If you dont like my comments, that is fine with me but I will not leave and I think you should think about how you talk to people you dont know or know anything about. Always try to adress people with respect.

Again, I am not saying that Murray is innocent or not has a part in Michael Jacksons death. Even though I dont think he deliberately killed him, I dont know that yet. Im just saying that we cannot call him murderer yet. I think it is interesting to read peoples different theories and thoughts, but we shouldnt call a person murderer like that.

Isabel Moore   July 30th, 2009 4:15 am ET

Larry, with Barrack and Michelle Obama, the situation the America got really bad. Obama putted all his energia to win as a president to re- bringging back the ressentment of the slaver history, what is past and wil not heppen any more, because was big mystake of our ancestrals and not us. It is past and it does't exist any more, but Obama is one full of ressentment and his ressentment causing more problem to America and maybe affect other countries, Obama ressentment is dangerous to the human being success. Obama should pain peanlty for his bad behavior. Bush is much better then Obama, least Bush did't brought war between all the races as Obama doing. Obama is sever hetfull to white people and his mother, white women, was one who cared about him, not his black father. I agree today in your show, when one the your guestes said that Obama should had deffend the right the constituition of the citizen, that police not should go inside the house of the citizen with autorization and not deffend his friend to be arrest, because Obama's friend deserve to be arrest for his behavior, Obama deffend his friend when his friend is wrong, because Obama deffending the black color. I never saw any bad president like Obama and his children going to be bad just like him. Obama insulting the America people and the world, Obama needs to be take out of his position to learn lesson. Obama is verry arrogant and he and his wife abusing to position of president. All the black people n America deffend him, because the are racist.

RCarter   July 30th, 2009 5:40 am ET

I am a retired anesthetist, retired because of a back injury which resulted in three surgeries, one of which was a fusion and roding of the vertebrae in the lower third of my back. I am also a recovering addict, who, because of the back problems and chronic pain must now take what was at one time, my drug of choice. With twenty seven years in anesthesia, eightteen years in recovery and six years as a chronic pain patient, all of which have change my perspective on these issues over time as each event impacted my life. I have a perspective few others have had or could have because of the strange combination of events.

I have watched your reporting on Michael Jackson’s death and listened closely to the debate on closing the loop holes in our healthcare system that allow the kinds of tragedies which happened. I have become concerned that one point of view is not getting a seat at the table even though you have tried to keep it balanced and fair, that group is the patient’s who have a legitimate need for these medications. The program on 7/29/09 with doctors Chopra and Gupta gave the closest thing yet to a balanced report, but that program failed to address what constitutes a legitimate need. Viewers are left with more questions and fears than knowledge they can use which empowers them to make better choices for themselves and family, especially those who must live with a chronic illness that requires these kinds of medications.

Some physicians will claim that patient’s with a legitimate need will not be impacted by any changes or legislation meant to close the loop holes. Other healthcare providers I know have spoke about an unspoken fear among healthcare providers regarding their professional liability if they choose to treat patients who require the chronic use of pain medication, sedatives or other controlled substances. I know from personal experience that this fear shapes the choice of some healthcare providers that ultimately leads to rationing and denial of care. A former partner I had in practice would refuse to give any narcotics during surgery if the patient had a history of substance abuse. Even though he knew his partner in practice was a recovering addict, how he separated the two in his thinking still mystifies me, but if he suspected the patient was actively using he would deny the appropriate standard and level of care based on his bias.

I myself can site over a dozen incidents in the last six years when I did not disclose the fact that I was a healthcare provider while seeking medical care for chronic pain. On a few occasions I have been summarily dismissed by an office staff person, being handed a bill for the office visit when I have not been seen or treated by a physician, as if occupying a space on the schedule is justification for a $125 bill. Upon announcing my status as a practicing anesthetist I am promptly put back into the room the physician comes in, which is a clear example of patient profiling.

There are tens of thousands of healthcare providers who are denying care and in some cases abusing their position or the trust we place in them for an objective opinion with fair and impartial treatment. Would you want to pay a $1200 anesthesia bill knowing you did not get the best care available because the provider had a personal bias that you did not know about. Or what would be your response if you had a complication following surgery because you were denied the appropriate medications because the provider was acting out on his or her personal bias? These are not hypothetical I have seen these situations in places I have practiced since the first year I began practicing anesthesia.

As the call for greater control over the prescribing and dispensing of controlled substances has escalated, I have watched layers, reporters, judges, physicians, politicians, substance abuse specialist and psychologist on your program all agree that more needs to be done to close the loop holes, but I have not seen a patient on your program who can speak to the issues from a consumers point of view. Someone whose quality of life would be much worse without treatment; they may not be able to hold down a job, own a home, a car or anything else that most of us take for granted.

Even before MJ’s death there was a series of open meetings by the Federal Government on this topic, with a clearly defined goal of finding a way to close these loop holes by forcing patients and physician’s to register in a national database so both physician and patient could be monitored, identifying suspicious activity before it leads to tragedy. While the intention is well meant, the larger results will be an escalation of fear over professional liability and license issues. These are the two most frequently sited reasons on why healthcare providers choose to exclude this group of patients from their practice, or for why they place an undue burden of proof and responsibility on the patient before they will provide medical services.

This has clear tones of George Orwell and Big Brother. Because of the behavior of a few, the majority must give up their rights to privacy and anonymity even though they have broken no laws. Despite the good intentions of those in government who are advocating for such regulation, it may save a few lives, ultimately it will lead to many more who are denied care due to rationing and profiling. Should we have a monitoring program that identifies healthcare providers who deny appropriate care or services because of a personal bias or prejudice which leads to actions that have higher patient morbidity and mortality rates?

If we are going to require patient and physician to register in a national database, then we should include a registration database for everyone who buys and sells alcohol so we can monitor trends to prevent those who use or sell alcohol before they injure themselves or others. Would you want to have your use of alcohol monitored simply because there are others who cannot stop after two drinks?

We have become so focused on the unanswered questions surrounding MJ’s death that we are not stopping long enough to consider the long term consequences of our off the cuff cries for more control over the prescribing and dispensing of controlled substances. Not realizing that what we advocate for now in the frenzy can ultimately legislate away other freedoms if it is applied fairly across the board to all forms of substance abuse. If monitoring is to be applied fairly and impartially, then we cannot simply limit it to controlled substances, it must also include all substances which are abused which include alcohol, tobacco, as well as raising our efforts to stop the Class I narcotics such as cocaine, heroin and marijuana from getting into the hands of those who choose to abuse.

While MJ’s death has certainly raised the level of debate on the subject of substance abuse and inappropriate medical care from providers whose motives are self first rather than service first, the questions really extend far beyond the current situation around MJ’s death

Once all the information on MJ’s passing has been made public the debate will eventually turn to what’s the solution to this problem. When that time comes I ask that you include all who will be impacted by legislation that limits our choices, particularly that group which stands to loose the most and not just those working in the periphery. Surely there is someone, a celebrity who is publicly recognizable, someone your viewers can recognize and identify with who can speak to the issues from a patient’s point of view. If not I will gladly break my anonymity to speak to the issues from the perspective of a healthcare provider, chronic pain patient and recovering addict.

If we are going to end up with federal regulations that force us to register so we can be monitored, and it appears this is the direction the momentum is takings us, then everyone needs a voice in the debate before a rush to judgement. Let's not forget those who require these medications and without them would be on the welfare roles rather than holding down a job and paying taxes into the system.

Jacquelyn   July 30th, 2009 7:17 am ET

Isabel Moore

The cop who wrote that report was dead wrong and you know it. And not all blacks defends Obama because of his color.

mariau   July 30th, 2009 8:52 am ET

to adrienne and toni, well said.. because dr. murray is a good irresponsble and negligence doctor.. maybe june 24, 2009 murray was too upset and depress because of financial status, he is too much upset of his debt worth $400,000.. and it's running out of time..

it's about time for him to face his negligence in public...

Bella   July 30th, 2009 3:41 pm ET

Mary Webb thinks "He’s a damn good doctor,”

Of course he's so "damn good" that he would do anything to please his patient so that he can pocket as much as $150k/month.

He's so "damn good" that he waited for over 2 hours to make sure Michael was dead before he called 911 for help.

He's also "damn good" that he pressed that Prince, age of 12, had to come and witness how his father died.

sharon carvalho   July 30th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

During the interview with MJ's chef, LKL played dramatic 911 tapes. Mr. Jackson's chef, Kai, was practically reduced to tears. It was painful to watch as this lovely woman, an employee, struggled to maintain her composure. I love Larry. I'm his biggest fan, but this went too far. It was too intense and insensitive of Kai's emotional state and her sorrow resulting from the traumatic loss of her beloved employer.

marvet williams   August 3rd, 2009 12:03 am ET

Love is pure Love is kind Love reaches across all barriers,that Love comes from God.M J had that kind of Love no matter what he never fought back lets take this as a lesson .He is in a better place,evil should not be spoken of the dead as we dont know where their sprit lies.R.I.P.MJ.God bless and protect his kids from all those that humilate hurt destroy as much as they could his life,lets all pray for them,theyre children of love and innert beauty..

marvet williams   August 3rd, 2009 12:36 am ET

To all MJ fans its good to vent our feelings ,were hurt i feel sad alot .rihgt now this second i am watchin a MJ CD its so beautiful ,the endin song is 'heal the world'.Mariau said she wanted to blame MJ i feel that way too but the reality is he was unique ,no other celebrity has touch the world as he,we are humbled by his generousity to the
less fortunate.
Kindness..MJ legacy
i have wept the night for the shortness of sight
that to somebody's need made me blind;
but i never have yet felt a tinge of regret
for being a little too kind
'author unknown'

Susan   August 4th, 2009 8:47 pm ET

Anyone claiming to have $$ problems while earning 150K/month is out of their mind...probably influences their ability to practice medicine.

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