July 28, 2009

Powell Vs. Limbaugh: It's The General's Turn

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eJay   July 28th, 2009 4:12 pm ET

Colin Powell is the only GOPer who is not a puppet to Rush Limbaugh.

Michael C. McHugh   July 28th, 2009 6:03 pm ET

As long as the Republicans are the party of Limbaugh, Palin, the C Street Boys and the rest, they will still have huge appeal to their Confederate-Evangelical base in the South, but very little beyond that. To be a truly national contender, they absolutely must have more moderate figures like Powell himself.

John H   July 28th, 2009 8:58 pm ET

I have always had the highest regard for General Powell and look forward to his interview. I suspect he is frustrated with the Republican Party in general and some individuals in particular. There must be something he finds attractive; however, for him to continue to consider himself a Republican. People like Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, and Ann Coulter are the Republicans worse enemies. As long as the opposition can point a finger at these people and call them the leaders of the GOP, there is no chance of the GOP influencing national and world events. As long as the Republican Party fails to purge the party of these type people, they will remain dead in the water.

Lavelle-NV   July 28th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

I think Colin is very wrong in saying that Mr. Gates was wrong, and to defend the white officer, who is a professional who get paid to protect and serve the public. This guy shows up with a gun and all the power of a GOD, who can take life at a moment notice and not be blamed.

Marcella Dion   July 28th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

I think Gen. Colin Powell was a Great Secretary of State, He is a wonderful Human Being he is fair and a clear thinking adult who has encountered many differant situations in his Career, because of his skin color. Unfortunately, racism is still strong in our Country.

I am speaking as a Native American and I proudly applaud General Colin Powell and all of his accomplishments!!!

Thank You

lou7200 Tulsa   July 28th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

WaaaWaaaWaaa. Hey, Powell, you're retired right? Go live your life. NObody cares what you think about the Gates affair or anything else. Your 15 minutes are up. Go home and get a good night's sleep.

Judith   July 28th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

Colin Powell is well respected and should be.

As far as Rush L before he goes on the air he should be order to take a urine test.He acts like he's back on drugs.Things he has said Don Imus wouldn't have gotten away with it.

Sandra   July 29th, 2009 12:56 am ET

In reference to the Gates, I don't see how Colin Powell as well as many people have missed the elephant in the room. It has long be held as a role of law that anyone that claims to be a professional in any field, is held to a higher degree of accountability in that field. In this case the Policeman is held to a higher degree of accountability because of his job. It really doesn't matter that Gates was Black, purple, or green. The PROFESSIONAL officer was duty bond to step back and try to defuse the situation, rather than exacerbate it, regardless of what Gates might have said to him. I don't know what was said, but I do know that Crowley said "There are not many things that are certain, but you can be certain that there will not be an apology", immediately after this incident. That was totally unprofessional and stupid. I define stupidity as when you know better and chose not to do better. Crowley's comment spoke to his officiousness and an inability to control his ego. I don't care how many courses he has taught, or how many Black officers support him, he did not perform his job well here, and I thank God that this did not happen on a darken street corner to someone who does not have the notoriety of Gates. The bottom like is NO ONE likes to be pulled over or approached by a policeman and policemen should be well aware of this. What happen to all of the Officer's domestic training. The Officer is the one with the gun and power, therefore he is held to more accountability- HELLO!

Shafiq Abdussabur   July 29th, 2009 8:09 am ET

Education the Key to Ending Racial Profiling
When one of the "25 Most Influential Americans" is arrested in their own yard, how do we measure the cultural progress in modern day America? I’m sure today, President Obama is shaking his head in grief as to how one of his mentors, Henry Louis Gates, has become another victim of fitting a description.

Talk about irony. Gates arrest was a page directly out of the newly released book A Black Man’s Guide To Law Enforcement In America. In chapter three of this book, author Shafiq R. Fulcher Abdussabur writes, “ Historically, most circumstances that have involved conflict between police and young African American and Latino/Hispanic males have been the result of a “failure to communicate” by all parties. What you need to know is if the police come up short on communication skills, it will not result in the officer going to jail. You will be the one to pay the price! So pay close attention!”

“if a citizen became loud and rowdy with the officer, it will most likely lead to the officer arresting the citizen for disorderly conduct or interfering with a police investigation.” Such as was the case with the locked out of the house home owner and well educated Gates.

America is at a crucial transition point in world history. There are a significant number of young people who are living their lives with a purpose of breaking down racial barriers and stereotypes. However, there is still a contingency of American culture that insists in hanging on to the good ol days. The election of the first Black President has only increased the exigency of such groups to preserve the old American Spirit at all costs. As a result, we are now seeing more frequent reminders of how race and status is being levied against the minority community as attempts to curtail any more ambitions to alter that history.

What is surprising about Gates arrest is that he has mastered the incites of how to operate in the world of the privilege. But, like the vast majority of Black men in America, he has now had a front row seat at where our society really stands on race relations and race perceptions. Gates encounter is the norm for most Black and Latino males. He was truly one of the lucky ones because there have been countless incidents nationwide that have had similar starts and deadly outcomes.

Author Shafiq R. Fulcher Abdussabur said, “This unfortunate incident with Henry Louis Gates only reaffirms why it was so important for me to write A Black Man’s Guide To Law Enforcement In America. Issues like these will not just go away on there own. It will take a process of educating the minority community. And, it will take both education and reform of American Law Enforcement. Until that happens, America could elect ten more Black presidents in a row, and nothing would change but the date!”

Ted   July 29th, 2009 9:09 am ET

The police officer made a huge mistake by acting too rash and without using his head. An official appology is the least that Mr. Gates should expect.
On the other hand, I am sure Mr. Gates made the mistake of being arrogant in the belief of being on his own property. If he was just a little more diplomatic, after all he is much better educated that the average police officer, then we would not have this problem.
As far as General Powell goes, I had the pleasure of shaking his hand after the first Gulf War. After his lie at the UN about the MDW in Iraq and the consequent massaker of irakian and american lives I would not shake his hand again. He should simply vanish like old soldiers do! In his case in disgrace!!

bfminton   July 29th, 2009 10:30 am ET

Thank you General Colin Powell for stepping back into the public light to offer your insightful words on the ‘skip’ situation. I curtsey and will always remain in awe of your integrity and stoic presentation. I, also, remain a unwavering supporter of President Obama, and attribute his comment to a raw nerve being touched as he undoubtedly currently bumps up against similar situations. The question that should be asked is, if ’skip’ doesn’t step forward and admit how his behavior may have led to his being arrested for disorderly conduct, is he really a friend? Worst, why is it that someone who has not matured emotionally ends up teaching our children?

doubleR   July 29th, 2009 3:23 pm ET

Colin Powell – he is so diplomatic! With comments such as “ … Gates may not have been in the appropriate frame of mind to best handle the situation” and “ .. situation was made much more difficult on the part of the Cambridge Police Department," I am sure Professor Gates was tired and snapped, I do not share the opinion that there is equal blame. It is my opinion that those who share that view are looking to justify Professor Gate’s reaction. But the best lesson learned at any age by anyone, "When you're faced with an officer who is trying to do his job and get to the bottom of something, this is not the time to get in an argument with him.” Maybe the Professor owes the policeman an apology?

Ruann Marshall   July 29th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

Congratulations, Mr. Elder, for speaking the truth no matter what color you are. Mr. King, as a journalism teacher, I'm ashamed at your treatment toward Mr. Elder and the way you are blatantly showing your bias on this issue.

Ruann   July 29th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

God bless the men and women who have the courage to be police officers in today's "politically correct" atmosphere.

sheila hullihan   July 29th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

has anyone taken in to account the fact that Dr. Gates suffers from artheritis and after traveling from China for 30 hours, that would make this artheritic person more than testy. a positive reaction would be at a minimum..

Gingersa   July 29th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

Re: the Gates fiasco. This looks like a male ego problem more than anything to me. Both of the men probably were alittle wrong...what happened to 2 people in such a situation acting like grown-ups and apologizing to each other. Man-up, apologize and move on. All this chatter about who was more right or wrong is just tv-air filler. They should calm down and just say "I'm sorry" to each other. Media...knock it off. You've found a 100 people to fill the air to shout about this who is more macho nonsense and next up (I'm sure) is the cop's kindergarten teacher who will say he was either a good kid or a strange kid. Just air filler. Gates/ and end this stupidity. Pres Obama move on.

Nikki Bell   July 29th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

I was once harassed by a police officer (as a 55 year old white woman), and I was darned scared because he threatened me and he had a gun. He called me away from my job, made me move my car (too close to his), and did not allow me to go back and get my purse, driver's license, or driving glasses. He had a gun and he was very confrontive. I did not want to be shot so I moved my car to another block. I reported the incident to his officer of the day, and as far as I know nothing ever came of it. I am 71 now and still do not trust the police. I feel fear much more than respect for policemen.
Oregon Grandma

Deborah   July 29th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

The Gates case demonstrates how far we are from a socially just society free of oppression and racism. There is no right or wrong person. Of course racism was part of the equation in the Gates case. Racism is so woven into the fabric of U.S. life that we cannot see its pervasiveness. Racism is not about individual acts, but a system in place. If we do not blame either man for what he said to the other we are still a racially divided country. Healing begins with dialogue.

RN   July 29th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Powell Vs. Limbaugh:

General Powell is a true American. He is a very honest, outspoken republican that Americans can trust.
Limbaugh is a spoilled republican who knows how to shout and yell at others. He also wrestells while talking.

Dale   July 29th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

The cops have no idea what to expect when they respond to a call. If the subject gets nasty it will raise the cops suspicion of wrongdoing. But what do you want? Should the cops turn the other way if it is an African/American involved? Just let African/American's do what they want so no one get offended.
And maybe if African/American's would become Americans and quit trying to separate the races, just maybe attitudes may change.

Jean   July 29th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Everyone should be held accountable for their actions...(Murray?)

Gingersa   July 29th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

In response to Deborah's post. Good post and I agree with you on many things. But I don't think this is a race case. I think it's two stubborn guys who won't back down and are elevating nothing into something. Healing can also be helped by civility and apology. At some point in the US we have to be civil to each other and apologize for when we act stupid. Not every encounter is a police action. This looks like 2 guys acting stupid.

Toussaint   July 29th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

1.dave chappelle offers a skit about home invasion. the house is owned by a black man who called the police. the police arrive and accused the bm who called the police as being the intruder. the police said the bm broke into the home and placed pictures of himself and family throughout the house.

2.chappelle also does a skit of a blind black man(clinton rigsby) joining the kkk. larry elder and clarence thomas represent rigsby well.

3.malcolm x famous for rhetorically asking, "what do (some) white people call a bm w/Phd? 2Pac told a group of african american panelist the answer to malcolm's question...

racism "part of u.s. structure(infrastructure)". when racism is challenged, as gates did, how is gates wrong; he isn't.

4. "the police acted stupidly." as they often do. this time police were not able to get away with it..

Doc Dee   July 29th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

I believe Michael Jackson was using Diprivan to avoid pain killer withdrawals. It's really obvious, why doesn't anoyone talk about it?

Reba   July 29th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

I think that after "beer Thursday," this story should be put to rest.

And Larry Elder, shame on you for saying that Crowley should not accept President Obama's invitation and to "shove it," as you so eloquently put it. Crowley was the one who suggested having a beer at the White House in the first place. You demonstrate profound disrespect for our President and the office itself with that nasty comment.

Please America, for those of you to whom it applies, remove the ugly specter of racism from your consciousness. No more race baiting, racial profiling, persecution.

FYI, my skin is "white." Well, actually, it's a bit pinkish/orangish.

Gingersa   July 29th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

Reba-right on. I think a big part of this is that the media needs to fill air-time and they make a big brew-ha-ha of EVERYTHING. Let's get to the issues of the independence, health care, and creating JOBS!

judge eve ellingwood cohen sternlight--retired   July 29th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

My siblings killed my parents ( MORRIS & SARA STERNLIGHT) in Beverly Hills and stole their millions. They used the same doctors ( one Dr. Espy Clarke, a neurologist) and mail order pharmacy– Athena of South San Francisco which were used by the butler who had allegedly killed DORIS DUKE the tobacco heiress. The doctors not only made wrong diagnosis but prescribed HUGE amounts of pills, some of which had been outlawed by the FDA ( TASMAR)– got my Dad out of the way, so then my sister control my parents' finances, as my Mom then did not even know how to write a check; and then stole about 4 million dollars- being held offshore; and of which half was later given to my brother. My sister, HELEN FABE, was convicted of felony financial elder abuse on 7-11-2003- and was allowed to file a fraudulent bankruptcy as no effort was made to disclose nor recover her offshore monies. My siblings stole my parents' tax free California municipal bonds- on frauduent signatures- yet no effort was made by the state to recover those bonds or the money for them ( no wonder Calfironia has such financial troubles). With the help of lawyers my parents' trusts- were repeatedly defrauded by taking pages out of their trusts- and BANK OF THE WEST- JUST PAID all monies to my brother, although he did not only kill my Mom, but also stole money from her while acting as her conservator– both being disqualifying conditions for inheritance. In the meantime, I have suffered 3 million dollars plus of legal fees- and I have never seen such medical, legal and judicial CORRUPTION AS i HAVE SEEN IN THIS CAse. I have come to learn that this is happening to hundreds if not thousands of other wealthy people especially in Beverly Hills . You should expose this situation and not just cover it when it happens to famous people. The California authorites, other than on the more local level, have done nothing to correct this situation. I was a judge for 18 1/2 years; practiced law and taught law- and am shocked that this is happening in America ( like it did in Nazi Germany). My parents were lucky to leave Poland just before the holocaust there and go to Palestine- and my brother and I were born in Jerusalem. I call their case -90210 HOLOCAUST- AS THEY LIVED IN THAT ZIP CODE- AND HAD THEIR OWN PRIVATE HOLOCAUST, BY TWO OF THEIR SIBLINGS. THANK YOU, judge eve ellingwood cohen sternlight- retired==

judge eve ellingwood cohen sternlight--retired   July 29th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

please note that I am now a candidate for the US SENATE FOR NEVADA- in an attempt to restore America to its judeochristian values- as a nonpartisan Reagan conservative. I will be listed on the ballot AS: 'EVE NO. 1 MOM- as I cannot use my judge title- and ran for congress last year, under that title. thank you again, judgeeve

Reba   July 29th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

Yes, we have a dying planet that we must save if we are to survive. We have people sick and dying because there is no health care available to them. And families suffering in that their jobs have disappeared. Let's get behind our President who is doing his utmost to help Americans and our country. I'm amazed at what he and Congress have been able to accomplish is seven short months, when it took three decades to get us into this mess.

By the way, from a recent poll, the happiest people on Earth are the Danish, and Denmark is a Socialist country. You think that may have something to do with it?

Thanks for the "right on," Gingersa. Right back at you.

jonathan parish   July 29th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

on your show as you an your guess panels was talking about the gates situation, judge joe brown along with yhe other guess was right on the money with educated thories but that larry elder had no idea what was going on, and spent most of his time doing alot of kissing up to a fantasy world, judge joe was right on the money when he said that mr. gates amenment right was violated or overlooked, keep mr. elder off your show when it comes to black issues because he knows nothing, of being black.

Reba   July 29th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

P.S. Thank you, Former Secretary of State, Col. Colin Powell, for your voice of reason, wisdom, candidness, and rationality. You are truly an American treasure. America is better because of you. Bless you.

NKEIRUKA   July 29th, 2009 11:16 pm ET

Obama did nothing wrong by saying that the officer acted stupidly. The officer Crowley actually owe the nation an apology for harrasing a man on his property.

NKEIRUKA   July 29th, 2009 11:19 pm ET

Murray did not kill MJ intentionally. That not withstanding, HE MUST PAY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NKEIRUKA   July 29th, 2009 11:28 pm ET

Larry, I love you and I love your show a lot. Please, do not ever invite mr elder to your show. he is very ignorant of what is going on in the country when a black man /woman is involved.

SUSIE JOHNSON   July 30th, 2009 12:19 am ET


Camdoosw   July 30th, 2009 12:42 am ET

Colin Powell is one of the most genuine, honest political figures that our government has ever had the privilege of having a seat in the White House.

This man understands diversity, and while he understands racial issues, he is a neutral individual who represents every being in our country regardless of their race or ethnicity.

I would love to see this man run for the Presidency in our Country. He is a true representative of neutrality and equalism.

I would be honored to meet him in person and shake his hand. I have the highest amount of respect for this man.

Jason   July 30th, 2009 12:44 am ET

NKEIRUKA posted "Please, do not ever invite mr elder to your show. he is very ignorant of what is going on in the country when a black man /woman is involved."

Well, I would have to respectfully disagree. First, I would like to say how proud I was of the General and the stance he took. I think Mr. Elder also took a strong stance. Judge Joe on the other hand, surprised me. On his show there is a a theme in his decisions. That theme would be common sense. I would love to have seen an educated black man excercise his common sense. Judge Joe also spoke of resisting arrest. Judge Joe has my respect, but Judge Joe should be careful when stating that people can resist what they feel to be an unlawful arrest. It is NOT legal to resist a perceived unalwful arrest in every jurisdiction. Mr. Dyson of Georgetown should speak only for himself and not for all black people.

Let me make this clear. There is no such thing as a black person in this country not ever suspecting that they have been the victim of racism. Racism is a sad part of life, but what has come to be all to common is claiming racism at the drop of a hat. Judge Joe suggested that one might refuse to give their information if they feel they have a legal right to. Well, Judge Joe is right. We have the right not to incriminate ourselves, but how was this homeowner worried about incriminating himself? He wasn't. he was being a jerk, and the police acted accordingly. I'm not saying the arrest decision was the best. I agree with the General who commented that supervision should have stepped in an kept this situation from escalating into an arrest.

This whole situation boils down to an educated and well to do black man excercising his political clout. Sad when a white man does, and absolutely destructive when a black man does it. If you disagree with police procedure, please make a formal complaint and file suit if need be. There was no need for him to bring his buddy the President into this, and I pray that this has not set black people back in the political arena. Guess what people this is exactly what some wanted to see happen...militant in the oval office. Lord help us.

davidcwilder   July 30th, 2009 12:49 am ET

Michael Jackson was a drug addict, plain and simple. Why are people trying to blame others for his death! He was going to kill himself–one way or the other. Death doesn't care if you can sing or not, he was different than any one else– he died, it was only a matter of time

davidcwilder   July 30th, 2009 12:55 am ET

Hey Susan Johnson, you might wanna come live on this planet with the rest of us.You are so Racist and outta touch.

LuCinda Douglas   July 30th, 2009 12:55 am ET

Colin Powell thinks before he speaks, is very intelligent, and has been a great example of what we really need in our government. I have always voted democrat but if he was to run for president I would have to change my vote to a republican one.

shirley ralph   July 30th, 2009 12:57 am ET

who called the police? His neighbors surely knew him. I don't
automaticly believe the police with good reason..I have locked myself out
of the house several times.

God help us if we are not allowed to get into our house any way we can if
we are locked out. No wonder there are so many crimes being committed these days if this is all the police can do to fill in their shifts.

Tory   July 30th, 2009 1:05 am ET

I am dealing with a case like professor Gates here in Jasper, Texas. I was not able to attain my on lawyer, but they gave me a public defender who is also a attorney for the city of Jasper. How can i receive justice with a lawyer who is working for the same people who are trying to cover up their lie.

Lorine Perera   July 30th, 2009 1:53 am ET

President Obama was too gracious to call the department – "stupid" – I think the officer's Race Relations lectures or classes are a coverup. He seems arrogant, and selfloathing individual who hides behind "Race relations card" He seems to dislike people at high places, someone like a "Harvard Professor" something he can never be or achieve in this life time. To top it all the professor was BLACK.

Looks like his true self and innermost turmoil of "Race Relations" surfaced. He should have just walked away from this obviously elderly man with a cane. WHY DIDN'T HE? He waited for his PREY to stepout of the house. REAL BIG CAT IN SHEEP'S CLOTHING. "Clothing" being his lectures on Race Relations

NKEIRUKA   July 30th, 2009 11:06 am ET


NKEIRUKA   July 30th, 2009 11:18 am ET

Point of correction. Mr. Gates did not invite anybody to speak on his behalf. The President responded to the question that he was asked. So YOU GET YOUR FACTS RIGHT!!! The President is right to say what he said.
Jason from your comments on this issue YOU ARE A WELL BREWED RACIST. BE WARNED!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jason   July 30th, 2009 8:04 pm ET


What are you talking about. You lost me with Mr. Gates and a supposed invitation. Please, please, practice your reading comprehension. The President made a poor decision when responding to a question that he did not have all the facts about. It is never smart to comment with out all the information, especially when you are the President. So NKEIRUKA, get your facts straight, or maybe you and the rest of the panthers can keep us from getting in the White House again. You be WARNED. A black person in the White House is monumental. All eyes are on Obama, and his job is made that much more difficult with poorly chosen responses to certain topics. The president doesn't have to respond to every posed question. As I stated before, don't think for one second that this isn't what some want to see. That is not racist...THAT IS THE STATE OF THE NATION. Some would like nothing better than to see a black president fail, just so they can say I told you so....remember the states that were McCain loyal despite his lack of forward thinking and in house disagreements with his running mate.....that should tell you something.

davidcwilder   July 30th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Hey Jason,
I hear ya– but get your facts straight, that time is over, Repubs are dead as Elvis, Maher had it right when he said this is a stupid Country, but there are enough of us to off set such stupidity. The O'reilly, and Limbaughs, and those other clowns on Fox news are wasting there time, the world has progressed beyond there simple racial rhetoric. Every other comment out of George Bush mouth was simple and lacking any intelligence at all, so relax son, don't hurt yourself, let a real man show how it's done. Old racist people are not the majority anymore.

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