April 28, 2009

Opinion: The Politics of Liberal Amnesia

Posted: 12:46 AM ET

By Bret Stephens/Wall Street Journal

Nancy Pelosi is "pushing back" against charges that she was aware of - and acquiesced in - the CIA's harsh interrogations of terrorist detainees nearly from the moment the practice began, reports the Politico Web site. Maybe she's suffering from amnesia.artnancypelosigi

Maybe, for instance, the speaker doesn't remember that in September 2002, as ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee, she was one of four members of Congress who were briefed by the CIA about the interrogation methods the agency was using on leading detainees. "For more than an hour," the Washington Post reported in 2007, "the bipartisan group . . . was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.

"Among the techniques described," the story continued, "was waterboarding, a practice that years later would be condemned as torture by Democrats and some Republicans on Capitol Hill. But on that day, no objections were raised. Instead, at least two lawmakers in the room asked the CIA to push harder."

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Dave of Detroit   April 28th, 2009 12:54 am ET

She has a great defense-most of the time they vote before getting to read a bill, she knows the Senate will change everything in the Bill anyway so why bother to any attention, A day's session in Congress will produce more paperwork than can be shredded in a week and as a lawyer, she can get plausible deniability as long as she isn't being recorded.....By the way, wasn't there a Republican Majority during the 911 attacks that faithfully rubber stamped everything put out by the Bush Administration til they started disappearing in the next two elections......

Pietro Sirianni   April 28th, 2009 2:41 am ET

The Bush administration played on post 9-11 fear to get their way and line their pockets. Anyone who opposed them at the time was considered "un-American." They are a deplorable group. I really don't care if Pelosi knew anything. She would have had no power to stop it as the republicants held the majority in congress and the presidency. This country was looted by the republicant party.

Pietro Sirianni   April 28th, 2009 2:42 am ET

.......and yes, it is:


Clay   April 28th, 2009 7:34 am ET

Pelosi, along with her fellow Gang of Four members, should be investigated and indicted as well. And that's what differentiates liberals – we don't care what party you're in when it comes to justice. If a democrat was responsible for torture then they should be held accountable, from the president on down. There is no cult of personality here that we're trying to insulate or defend. We just want the guilty to be held accountable because they have violated both US and international law. Plain and simple.

Ted   April 28th, 2009 8:08 am ET

As the saying goes: "each nation gets the leaders they deserve"!
Ms. Pelosi acts as an aging Hollywood star, probably has her face lifted as regularly as she visits her hairdresser. Watching her tiptoing around is already a pain and this lady is only two heart beats away of becoming the President.
I wonder, why the California voters send her term after term to the House? Don´t they have someone younger and better to do the job?
Why do we have 85-90 years old senators and reps, who have absolutly no connection to the needs of today´s generations and all they do is to sleep regularly through the sessions.
If you keep sending the same losers 20, 30 years long to Washington, then do not complain. Each nation gets the leaders they deserve!

Dave of Detroit   April 28th, 2009 8:53 am ET

Ted-not that I disagree, but to replace the cocktail tour with a Frat Party may not be the way to go-A little balance would be nice and I would really like to change the elections to paid by taxpayer funding and limited in time. The current system wastes more time and money than some countries have in their entire system.

Ted   April 28th, 2009 9:09 am ET

Dave, at large corporations the executives MUST retire at their 65th birthday. Should we not have an age limit on those people who can decide over our death and well being, see the wars we have and the consequences. Actually we are constantly at war since 1941.
I also suggest we should have a maximum period of 12 years for senators or reps., regadless how great they may be. There is no human being who cannot be replaced and they become complacent and arrogant after years of power.

simonsays/Orlando   April 28th, 2009 9:31 am ET

Term limits, please. Our elected officials do not care about what is right or wrong or good for the country. They care about getting re-elected. They will lie, cheat, and steal to stay in office. If there was only some way to vote them all out and start all over.

Dave of Detroit   April 28th, 2009 9:39 am ET

As an old timer, I hate to admit it but the Parlimentary Process used by England and Israel where the entire ruling Party can be thrown out has great appeal to me-It is called in the States-The Younker Syndrome-"Throw the Bums OUT" and has a certain elemental logic to it!

hugh ~ california   April 28th, 2009 10:56 am ET

The negative result of term limits is a bunch of freshmen politicians who are even more inept at running the government and passing legislation. The only democratic way to deal with career politicians is to VOTE them out of office–that is called a voter enforced term limit. To say ALL politicians are corrupt is not a sensible argument, if that was true, why vote for a new corrupt freshman politician. This makes no sense.

I understand the frustration of voters who are fed up with politicians who fail to lead or inact change. Just vote them OUT! A good decent politician comes along on rare occasion and forcing them out with term limits only exacerbates the problem. A simple solution to a complex problem isn't to "throw the bums out" without realizing it may make the problem even worse.

Ted   April 28th, 2009 12:48 pm ET

The US. Military rotate the personnel every three years or so, because they will get very complacent after a while, so they will be sent to another post or even continent. Fresh place, fresh start, fresh experience.
There are six elections in 12 years for reps, so every election ca. 17% will not have the chance to stay in the House any longer, but 83% can be reelected. That should garantee a continuity. The most successful companies are not run by 60-80 year old presidents, but rather by ones who are 20 years younger. After a certain age, lets say 50, either they know what they are doing or they are just plain losers.
Again, what good are 75-90 years old reps who lost interest and the connection to their constituents a generation earlier?

hugh ~ Cal   April 28th, 2009 1:15 pm ET

You have a right to your opinion, I've already wrote mine. If you think older people have lost interest of their constituents think what you will. Let the voters vote them out then, unless the voters become guilty of the same complacency and lost interest. Freedom of choice is my belief in a true democracy, not by restrictive laws limiting my choice.

Loubo   April 28th, 2009 3:05 pm ET

Her memory is bad from flying back and forth from DC to California in her private jet paid for by our tax dollars.

Pietro Sirianni   April 28th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

I find it odd that conservatives would even engage in this conversation given their party's leadership.

Lori   April 28th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Pelosi is a bold faced liar as is the whole Obama administration. He didn't know about Air Force 1 being flown over New York?? Give me a break. Can you IMAGINE if this was the Bush Adminstration that did something so stupid?

hugh ~ california   April 28th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

You're out of it! Get real! What makes you–not a bold faced liar just trying to sling mud. It was probably done by some former Bush supporter in the military who was trying to embarrass our new president.

Pietro Sirianni   April 29th, 2009 1:02 am ET

Bush did do many things that stupid and many more things of even greater stupidity. However, I will admit he was a master of strategery.

Pietro Sirianni   April 29th, 2009 1:02 am ET

Hey, isn't that Hannity person the same girl that played Eddie Munster?

Archangel Dave   April 29th, 2009 5:01 am ET

LIBERAL AMNESIA is a very appropriate term.
How long have the C.I.A. known about SODIUM PENTATHOL?
Every truth about TERRORISM could've been extracted using the TRUTH drug.
It is now time to pull the SALVATION ticket from America.
May the FOUNDING FATHERS of America pull their hair out for a long time to come.
To think I used to love America! Yuk! Yuk! Yuk!
No regrets America,

George   April 29th, 2009 8:30 am ET

Pelosi knew exactly what was going on, but as usual in typical politician form will play the diversion tactics instead of owning up and being accountable. Extremely typically... To be frank as an American citizen I am quit fed up with these politicians looking out for there own interest instead of the country and its citizens.

George   April 29th, 2009 8:45 am ET

It is actually hilarious how these liberals get such different treatment from the media. Going back to the Somali pirate incident, first off Obama's lack of immediate action was never reported, had that been Bush he would have been ridiculed and criticized for months. Secondly if it were Bush who gave the order to shoot he would have been demoralized by the media and the pirates would have been portrayed as the victims. Then of course you never would have seen a single story about the heroics of the Captain except for on Fox News because CNN and company would have been too focused on bashing Bush. I think it’s funny, not only do we have a corrupt Government, the media is just as corrupt and like politicians are only worried about there own interest. What happen to integrity and ethics??? Anyone know???

hugh ~ california   April 29th, 2009 11:59 am ET

@Archangel Dave,
You've got a lot of gall with your perverse comments about America, and also the gall to use a name like "Archangel." "Demon Dave" would be a more appropriate title to call you. Take your sick, hateful comments toward America and your "infidels" rhetoric and shove it!
You say, "America completely lost the battle against the corruption of hell;" no that would be YOU–you sick puppy!

Pietro Sirianni   April 29th, 2009 12:05 pm ET

Oh yea Faux News has a ton of integrity, and they are unbiased. Faux News is the last institutional bastion of racism left in America.

George   April 29th, 2009 4:25 pm ET

Racism no longer exists in this country! Wake up my friend. If people like you would quit bring it up there would never be any mention of it. I haven't seen an act of racism in this country but I sure do hear alot about it. Last I checked everyone is treated equally here and we are all only limited by our level of ambition and abilities to succeed.

Pietro Sirianni   April 30th, 2009 12:30 pm ET

I suppose if I didn't talk about Swine Flu that wouldn't exist either? I've never seen a case of Swine Flu so by your logic it doesn't exist.
Thats called having on blinders my friend.

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