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April 24, 2009

A Killer Among Us?

Posted: 05:45 PM ET

Police in California say Sunday school teacher Melissa Huckaby killed 8 year-old Sandra Cantu.  Authorities in Boston believe a clean-cut pre-med student is "The Craigslist Killer."arthuckabymugshottpd And, who can forget Scott Peterson, who was convicted of murdering his pregnant wife, Lacy, and unborn son?

Are there warning signs we should be looking for among people we know and otherwise trust?   How do you know if someone close to you has a secret, sinister life?   And what drives everyday people over the edge?  We go inside the minds of convicted killers and alleged suspects with people who once loved and trusted them, as well as profilers and psychologists.   Dr. Drew Pinsky leads the discussion as he sits-in for Larry as guest-host.

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Terry, TX   April 24th, 2009 5:48 pm ET

It's sad...heinous and horrible...but Nancy Grace and her clone cover it two hours a day. ..enough already.


hugh ~ california   April 24th, 2009 6:01 pm ET

@Terry, TX,
It might be "enough already" for you, but not in my community. People are suffering from the tragic murder of little Sandra Cantu. This little girl is dead, and her family will never be the same. Show some sensitivity! Not every subject can be catered to your political interests of running down every Democrat in America.


Marcie   April 24th, 2009 6:05 pm ET

Larry, What happened to the Haylee Cummings case? Total coverage and all at once the information stopped. I pray she was found OK.


Ron Illinois   April 24th, 2009 7:44 pm ET

Well we have pretty much made murder legal in the US.

All law abiding citizens are potential victims. I am a Viet Nam era veteran who was moved to tears by the site of the "Wall"

Imagine how large the monument would be for victims of senseless violence in this country. The thought should make you ill.

Make murder a crime again and punish those murderers to the limit.


Michael C. McHugh   April 24th, 2009 8:16 pm ET

Somehow, I doubt that people like these were ever "normal" or "ordinary", although they are probably very good at putting on an appearance of being that way. They may not come up to the strict legal definition of insanity, but they're crazy nonetheless.


Suzan   April 24th, 2009 8:43 pm ET

I feel that we are so busy looking for a specific type of person to be a killer that we sometimes overlook certain character flaw because it does not fit the "profile".


Bill Creutzberg   April 24th, 2009 8:46 pm ET

Larry,

I just got a message saying you wanted me to do a phoner unfortionately I have a concert tonight.

I want you to know that Pastor Lawless has never been a part of my Church and as far as I can tell none of his family has been here either. The only thing that happened is The FBI came to my house on Good Friday, looking for the pastor who was here before me who was again not Lawless. They had hoped that our previous pastor knew how to find someone they were looking for but he was not in any trouble.
I am disappointed in how some of the reporters have taken things out of context and embelished the story to make something out of nothing.
My heart cries for the famlies who are involved in the sad story I can't imagine how they must feel. Let them know that they are in my prayers.

Sincerely Pastor Bill Creutzberg
First Church of God
Clarkston Washington.


Kelvin   April 24th, 2009 8:53 pm ET

larry, it's a clear indication that this killers are abnormal as they are just commitimg havoc.


Adam   April 24th, 2009 9:07 pm ET

Let's be honest, to kill is a completely natural instinct embedded in humans as a survival Fight Vs. Flight mechanism, therefore EVERYONE is a potential "Killer Among Us".

Rather than trying to typecast people, people need to learn to start paying attention more to their friends, their family, their close ones. Whenever you hear of things like this, the first thing you hear from EVERY FAMILY MEMBER is "We had no idea they were capable of this," even though in almost EVERY case there are clear warning signs coming from the "Killer".

So please, stop trying to stereotype and label people as "Sane" or "Killer", and just start paying attention more. It would help a lot with suicides and other violent crimes as well, I feel, if people just learned to start listening again.


margieanne   April 24th, 2009 9:09 pm ET

People are going to be Monday morning quarterbacking all these cases,but as everyone has said the person you least expect is the one.


Stephanie Thomas   April 24th, 2009 9:10 pm ET

I believe that if we could tell someone was a killer something would be done to stop them before they could commit such horrible crimes. It"s scary how these people who seemed so normal turned out to be murderers.


Tony   April 24th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

It is sad, truly sad, that we find these people that look so qualified and yet, we find them next day in court. I would never suspect a medical student to be a killer. I wonder if they will be found guilty or not.


Liz   April 24th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

It is possible Melissa Huckaby raped Sandra Cantu to try and throw the police off the trail, to make them think it was a man just in case the body was ever found.


BoPeep   April 24th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

What I want to know is why is the Cantu family not commenting on the situation that happened to the other little girl in January? There is no way in hell that I would keep my mouth shut and protect the police and the justice system that obviously failed them. If Huckaby had been investigated in January, Sandra might be alive today. My heart goes out to the Cantu family, I have an 8 yr old daughter and could not imagine, but when they were asked about the situation in January, they replied "no comment." Scream to the world how the police did not do their jobs to protect and serve, they didn't protect Sandra.


Michael M.   April 24th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

This is grotesque, I work at a school, and even today, I don't know who to trust. What kind of world are we in now? When, innocent school children are murdered, and bullied! It sickens me.


Christina   April 24th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

when can we feel safe?


rickfromdetroit   April 24th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

This sounds like a case of another religious idiotic that believes they are a messenger of god. This is not uncommon, but it is very often not reveled to the public.


Stephanie Thomas   April 24th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

I believe that if we could tell someone was a killer something would be done to stop them before they'd commit such horrible crimes. It's scary how these people who seemed to be so normal could be murders.


LarryL   April 24th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

I agree... The killer is in us all


Christina   April 24th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

Im sorry, i have to add more. I hate how normal these people act. or, how these people are. i couldnt help thinking about BTK, this man for DECADES was living a normal life, and murduring dozens! This is sickening, scott peterson was a horrible case, because a scott peterson, could be living next door, or even sharing a bed with you! A scary thought.


charles b. pinehurst, nc   April 24th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

could a couple of the experts comment on how early inconsistent discipline contributes to the "psychopathy" of these seemingly "normal" people. I think most people are unaware of the effect of that, and think most come from so-called "dysfunctional" backgrounds.


Mikey   April 24th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

This is horrible, you can now, never trust anyone. nobody is your friend, you constatly have to look over your shoulder! When can we have peace! When can we stop worrying! over and over again people are getting murdered left and right! It wrong, and sickning! This needs to stop.


bill olare ,pittsburgh   April 24th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

yes i would like to comment on the topic do killers walk among us,they do and they will continue to because the judicial system in this country is an absolute joke.this woman and all child killers and rapists should not be given any mercy,or a taxpayer paid trial they should be marched straight to the execution chamber.my point is when you sit on death row with endless appeals there is just no deterent to murder,so this will continue to happen,my heart breaks for these children and there parents,who have to go throw this.thank you


Chris in Atlanta   April 24th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I disagree that everyone can kill – even in combat I have seen people fall apart rather than pull the trigger – and the targets were 50 yards away. Having killed many times over it didn't sink in until many years later what we had done. Denial perhaps? The immediacy of what the people you are discussing did is what baffles me. Kill a child, throw him/her away and then go to the grocery. Very, very scary.


wahoo   April 24th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

huge fan of Dr. Stout's book – does she know my ex ?


Kariutu   April 24th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

This infuriates me to the extream! I am utterly disgusted! When can we feel secure?!


patti williams   April 24th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

it's scary theses days because people are stereo-typed .they may not look like the "type" to commit hideous crimes but i see it more and more everyday in the news.so the question is: what happens to good people who turn bad? what is really going on in their lives to make them kill or sexually assault someone?


Mylez   April 24th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

What has our society come too when we cannot trust our fellow community members..


ML   April 24th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

A divorce that one doesn't want.Then cancer with the former wife not caring.–Just makes ya want to give up.


Franklin Watson   April 24th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

The killer don't show up untill he is ready to kill. He is the best person in the community.


Scott   April 24th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

This is one of the most foul facts in life: THE KILLERS ARE AMONG US!


wahoo   April 24th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Actions always speak louder than words – we need to look very closely at those we let get close- especially if they move too quickly


Bonnie   April 24th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

They are psychopathic / sociopathic people, the sickest being the ones who not only murder, but enjoy it, fit right in, and fool us all.


Thomas   April 24th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

3 out of 4 psychiatrists on the show are already looking for a man to blame before they are even willing to admit the woman did it


rickfromdetroit   April 24th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Law and order will never be established on the earth until people return to the basic values that were presented to Moses by God 4000 years ago. The 10 Commandments set a standard for all people to follow. One of these was "though shalt not kill"


Maureen   April 24th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Im suspicious of everyone.


A.M.   April 24th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

The worst part of the Huckaby footage is her hands: to think that those small white hands that once held her own newborn, and undoubtedly held the hands of many small children in Sunday school. A teacher’s hands, a mother’s hands that are supposed to embody trust and protection for children might now be capable of brutalizing and taking a life from a helpless child. Mothers and fathers are given the most important roles in our society; to think that any woman’s hands could do such a thing is beyond my ability to understand and accept. If she did it, why would she be allowed to live? CHILDREN DESERVE TO GROW UP AND TAKE THEIR PLACE IN THE WORLD.


Scott   April 24th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

BTK BTK BTK Thats all i have to say!


Donna   April 24th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

There are some truly sick people out there.


Lyn   April 24th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Might the stance of Christians against gay people evoke violence againt a child if this woman was gay?


jaymelynn wisconsin   April 24th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

I find it hard to believe that the family of melissa huckaby didn't know that she has some kind of mental illness, that she probably was seen doing something at sometime that would be questioned. They knew she kept her daughter inside all the time.....bet they turned a blind eye to her sexual assaults because if she was abused as a child its one or both of her parents that are probably responsible....


Bunsybaby   April 24th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Great Job Dr. Drew............Unbelievable to me how Philip Markoff's fiance thinks he is innocent with all the evidence they already have against him. I hope she wakes up before its too late.

Also in the Sandra Cantu case against Melisa Huckaby...I was curious as to where her 5 year old daughter was when this was going on.

Watch you all the time Larry.......


leslie   April 24th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Ms.Hhuckabee is most likely a victim of sexual abuse. Perhaps, even coerced to molest/murder this 8 year old girl, by her own abuser.. I think Ms. Huckabee's father, the minister, should be investigated . Something is not kosher here...........obviously!


Daniel Anya   April 24th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

The bilble says that the heart of man is exceedingly deceitful and wicked. Who can know it? Everyone can see that now in Scott Peterson, in pastors, priests, and now in this sunday school teacher.
So, are they killers among us? Yes!
Daniel Anya
Kawasaki Japan.


gene   April 24th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

I was molested in a Seventh-Day Adventist church in Rockford Illinios when I was 5 years old in a bathroom stall by a stranger. I'm 42 now.

Churches...all of them, are havens for bad people. You can always pick them out because they are the first to show how wonderful and righteous they are, usually with no visible vices. Many churches try to protect these horrible people and feel that god is the way. There may be someone who had known this woman had a problem. You have ministers, cleargy and preist that harbor many horrlbe secrets under the guise that god will help.

There are really twisted people that are born bad and we will never always know how to pick them out...

The molestation was a horrble thing that happened in my life, I remember it, but I am so over it and that event has not made me want to go out and rape anyone.

I am agnostic now and realized many years ago the whole church thing is a big money making SHAM!!!


wahoo   April 24th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Charles – I disagree – some people have good families and NO CONSCIENCE – like blue eyes or blond hair – it's a human trait


Kelly   April 24th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Evil is here to stay,you never really know anyone.


Berry Huntsville, Al   April 24th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

In the animal world the preditors have eyes in front close together. The prey ususally has eyes
wider or on the sides of their heads. Look at Melissa Huckaby's eyes. Preditor or prey.
Could this be a clue into someones personality? Sounds rediculous , I know, but what if?


Shelly   April 24th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

I was ritualistic abused as a child. There were two times i acted out on this and technically sexually abused other children. In today's laws, I can not even discuss it in therapy, because of fear of being put in jail. Only by the grace of the gods and goddess am I not the same person as Melissa. Most people can not even comprehend the kind of abuse that goes on behind the scenes in christian churches.


Tracey   April 24th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

People who kill – Are more due to true mental illness or social/upbringing issues that happened in their lives?


mikey d   April 24th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

Anybody can kill ! For some people its easy !


BoPeep   April 24th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Had to add more I do believe there is a killer in us all...let someone kidnap, rape and murder any of my kids and I could become a killer.


Misty   April 24th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Why was Sandra allowed to play outside alone when parents should assume that anyone could harm thier children?


Farariana   April 24th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

This is wrong. Purely evil. These people are among us.


Keith   April 24th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

The reason people kill is because they do not know the prince of peace, Jesus Christ.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

Most killers are NOT suicidal. They may verbalize it as they are trying to "wiggle" out of their past behaviors.


Mylez   April 24th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

If a sunday school teacher turned out to be a killer, whos next?!


S McLaine   April 24th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Please describe the difference between a psychopath and a sociopath. Thank you.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Oh P L E A S E....................................... Keith. Can't you come up with something better than that?


soeresh gobardhan   April 24th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

I have reported about the darkside of humans several times and also wrote a book about it :" Silent Voices"

The reason why some people live a double life is because of there inflated darkside, which is called in popular words: the mind virus.

Please contact me: with this concept we can help millions of people and prevent future unneccessary school shootings, killings and more and help people to live sustainable and responsible life style.

Soeresh Gobardhan, M.D.


cnn_skeptic   April 24th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

Did someone just compare Mahmoud Ahmedinejad to Jeffrey Dahmer? Wow. Who is this guy?


Chris   April 24th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

Is it really surprising considering the state of the world today?


Apple   April 24th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

Worse is the police not believing you live next door to a sociopath who is tormenting you


Jacqueline   April 24th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

There is a little crazy in all of us, it's how you control it that makes us different.


Heather Hayes   April 24th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

What about Herb Baumeister? Or Eddy Gein? Nice, quiet guys, too. Ya just never know.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

Most cold blooded killers are psychopaths. They have NO conscience and only get suicidal if they are caught!!!


Razak   April 24th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

I think its just a mere wickedness.


Brandi   April 24th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

I just started letting my 7-year-old walk home from school. Perhaps I should rethink that?


Farariana   April 24th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Keith come on. this is serious you need to go to some other website. were talking about murder hear, not faries, or princesses okay?


Chris   April 24th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

These killings seem tame compared to the true ills of the world.


Paulo Lavigne   April 24th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

I think the subtitle to this show should be "The Killer Within Us". I am not suggesting that all of us will commit a crime someday; most of us won't, but we have to accept the fact that all these horrendous crimes were commited by people who were in many ways as ordinary as the next man. There was nothing special about them, which makes it so difficult to know in advance who will turn out to become a killer.


Stacie   April 24th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Sociopaths exist....what can society to do to prevent it? OR can we?


kim   April 24th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

What is up with the mass killings recently where husbands are killing their families and then themselves?


Jane   April 24th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

The greatest lie that Satan put over was that he doesn't exist. Evil is among us everywhere, in the most intriguing of wrappings.


Brandi   April 24th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Get to know your neighbors people


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

You need to distinguish between sociopaths and psychopaths....


Bonnie   April 24th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

The scariest killers are the ones stalking us, the predators among us, their main prey being easy victims, children and people working in the sex trade. No matter what your life choice is, no one deserves such repentant brutality. Whether their childhoods were awful or perfect, makes no difference to me, I was abused at age 6, does that make me more likely to be a psychopath or sociopath?


Patrice   April 24th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

The people on the screen you are watching could be mass murderers! This is scary, but, one fact in life we need to accept.


Daniel   April 24th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

I feel that there is no true way to weed out a potential murders. What are key clues? A persons psychological state is hard to understand, even to that person.


Dr. Bruce Casto   April 24th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

I have had three good friend who murdered others. None of whom gave any indication of their tendencies. One a PhD in science, one a high school science teacher, and one a grocery clerk. Even in retrospect there was nothing to indicate that they had any homicidal intentions.


Marie   April 24th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

It is easy for Sociopaths to live among us because they are superficial – they play and pretend to be normal, and it is so easy for them to blend into a society that condones superficiality. No one is real, and we are also raising schitzophrenic people because we place too much fear on topics like this and create more fear and distrust. What should be done is work on a society that goes back to being human, recognize anger, hate and violence as a human condition and not something that should be submerged, because by submerging these emotions and making more humans robotic and anti-social by developing relationships between man and machine we are only creating these monsters that will lash out as a result.


Tami   April 24th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

More murders these days with the bad economy!


Lunny   April 24th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Who can you really trust?


Shelly   April 24th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

good grief Keith. my abuse happened in the church.


Timp   April 24th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

I met the BTK killer at my brother's church and spent time at an outing with him. Never saw evil.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

soeresh gobardhan

There are many different kinds of killers... You can not lump them in one category whether it be sociopaths or psychopaths. Most have a definite AXIS II disorder


Razak   April 24th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Your best friend could be your worst enemy, we must all watch out.


Timp   April 24th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Met BTK, Dennis Rader at Church outing with my brother. Never saw evil. Scary.


Kelli from Tampa   April 24th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

So GLAD you are doing this show!!! 1/2 my major is pysch and enjoyed reading "The Sociopath Next Door" very much.


Natalie   April 24th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

These "people" appear completely self-centered when they kill. Can you see this in their eyes?


Keith   April 24th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Wow, Two people have "killed" me with their words because I mention Jesus. It just goes to show the TRUTH of the Bible...Romans 8:7 "The sinful mind is hostile to God. It does not submit to God's law, nor can it do so."


Timp   April 24th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

The greatest lie Satan ever told us is that he doesn't exist.


Richmond   April 24th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Dr. Pinsky,
I take exception to one of your panelists bunching up President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran among killers and sociopaths. We may not like his policies, but he has not killed any American. And besides, he is the Chief Executive of a sovereign nation, and as such deserves better respect than that. His opinion on the Israel-Palestinian politics has no place in the topic of interest. He should have stayed on topic and kept his prejudices to himself.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

@ Timp

I can certainly believe that. They are very good at deception... or they would have been caught a long time ago


Annie   April 24th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Dearest Dr Drew,

My own mother killed my very old Grandma (her mother) and lied about it for years so none of us knew what happened and then she finally told someone in the family saying that it was because she (my Grandma) asked her too do it. But we all know that isn't true because my Grandama was not dying or terminally ill or anything. It was a smothering by a pillow and it was WRONG of her to do it, no matter what she claims!!!!
Now she is in an old folks home with a brain disorder and had many problems after that with her heart and overall health. Before she got seriosuly ill she got $15,000 from my Grandma's estate and she spent it fast!
She loved money so much, so we all think she did it for the money.
She had a serious history w/ suicide attempts, mental and emotional problems backed w/ migraine headaches that drove her mad and us as a family. She would attack me verbally as a child and always expect way to much from us children. I took care of her a lot growing up so my childhood was not so good. She also would try to kill herself when we would be at school and we would come home to a social worker taking us away.
Life has been soooo hard growing up w/ a psychopath mother and I was wondering what else you think she could be diagnosed as? I see her as a psycho liar and she totally mislead me as her very own daughter/best friend!!! It is so hard because I miss her good sides. But, her bad sides were very BAD!!! And she hurt me so much that I cannot forgive her. She threw my life into a huge emotional mess and our whole family fell apart. As of this day I do not speak to any of my family. They all have said awful mean things to me because I was trying to forgive her. I found out I couldn't and I still lost them in the process!!!! I have no Grandma, no mom, and no family now.


Bonnie   April 24th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I think there are more killers because of a have higher population.


Linda   April 24th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Perhaps if we didn't make prison soooo comfortable people would think before acting. I think we should put all of the killers together, forget this protective cell routine, let them suffer their consequences, if they don't commit sucide in there then send them to general population and let them take care of them-let them kill each other!!!!


Anthony   April 24th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I think a lot of people are missing the point here. Why wouldn't you [expect] a pre-med student or a Sunday School teacher to be a killer. Are we not all capable of a heinous act? It's like asking your child if they can take a knife out of your hands and stab a baby doll. Next point, some of you ask "How can someone do something like that?" The way we treat each other has EVERYTHING to do with why these people snap and lash out in such a violent way. If you were ever a bully in school, or a rapist, or child molester, I guarantee you have contributed to the high homicide rates in today's society. No good deed goes unrewarded, likewise, no bad deed shall go unpunished!


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

@ Keith... This is NOT a bible issue. This is an AXIS II disorder issue...


Shelly   April 24th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

No keith some of us are tired of people hiding behind the church


Liz   April 24th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

You can't live suspicious of everyone. That's paranoia and will only serve to hurt yourself.


Dr. Bruce Casto   April 24th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

I have had three good friends who murdered others. None of whom gave any indication of their tendencies. One a PhD in science, one a high school science teacher, and one a grocery clerk. Even in retrospect there was nothing to indicate that they had any homicidal intentions. One of whom was a mass murderer, one killed a girl friend, and one an extra wife.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Shelly... Yes, thank you!


Judy Thornton   April 24th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

My husband of 16 years, who is now diceased was a Pastor and leader of a large ministry, was a sociopath. He was in the ministry for over 30 years. I had no idea he was so sick. He was charming , friendly and very intelegent. He tortured me mentally for most of our marriage. His children from a previous marriage are greedy, thieves and liars. They also are very charming and well thought of. He had no close friends, played football in high school but would laugh when he was coming in for a tackle. I overheard someone tell this on him. There was no humanity in his eyes that I could see but I thought it meant he had a good poker face.


Laurie Ruffner   April 24th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Has anyone looked at pastor/grandpa in the Melissa Hukabee case? How do we know she isn't covering for a crime he may have committed? DNA in this case will be very interesting....I think we need to look at the religious/church piece of this...


Daniel Anya   April 24th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

The end of time is near ! These are the signs .
Daniel Anya
Kawasaki Japan.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Bonnie... very good observation...


Richaard   April 24th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Dr Drew,

YOU ARE 100% CORRECT! Saw I, II, II, and etc. Is somewhat glorifying murder, it seems like we are humored by these disgusting acts. Americans are creating more and more movies and media on killing and violence and sex, and drugs, and your asking us "why do the kill?!" well, this is why. these movies are telling the kids that its okay to kill, it okay to take drugs, these songs and mmovies are polluting our kids and adults and teens! THIS IS THE REASON WHY PEOPLE MURDER! By bringing your child, or buying a ticket to these movies, you are supporting the people like Scott Peterson, or Leslie Van Houten, and BTK. Sickening and true!

Sincerly,
Richaard


Kelli from Tampa   April 24th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Three big clues: manipulative, lying, charming, and no remorse.


hallie   April 24th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

BTK did show signs of peculiarity, he was very possessive of at least one female neighbor, peeking in her windows and commenting on her boyfriends.


lizbeth   April 24th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

YES-I've been w/ sociopath/ASPD & freaked that I never knew what it truly was! He schmoozes his way along, ppl may see he's creepy/odd/weird but ignore it as quirky or not very smart. I'm 1 who got close enough to find abuse, pathological lies, mean mood swings. How do I bust him & warn others when he plays nice out there? VERY scary that it could happen to me during katrina when only reaching out to help & not protecting myself!


WILLIE EDWARD TURNIPSEED SR.   April 24th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

People Are Influenced To Kill By So Many Different Things. Music, Movies, Books & Other Things! This Includes The King James Version Of The Holy Bible, Where People Are Introduced To And Enlisted Into The Battle Between God & Satan. They Are Also Introduced To Demonic Spirits That Posess Them And Make Them Kill!


Jason   April 24th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

It's an illness that causes people to do these things, we shouldn't just lock them up and throw the key away or execute them. We need to find out what causes them to do these things to prevent it from happening.


sam   April 24th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

The example of Ahmadinejad by Welner was a good one. As most of the physical/sexual abuser have history of sexual abuse Ahmadinejad would definitely be scarred by the deaths of 1000s of Palestinian people by Israel.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Liz.

I rely on my "gut" feeling. If my stomach start to turn when I am around someone, I keep my distance....


Shelly   April 24th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

god's law, a god who demanded the blood shed of Abraham own son, so its no wonder the kind of abuse i went through happens when the porch light of the church goes off. I still can not wrap my mind around why anyone would worship a being who demands the blood shed of animals and humans, and what is scary according your prophecies, the blood shed will continue again when then new temple is built


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

sociopaths HAVE NO REMORSE OR CONSCIOUS...


Kelli from Tampa   April 24th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Oops meant 4 clues...Hey Dodie!


Timp   April 24th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

My brother served with Dennis Rader aka BTK on a Church committee for years. Never saw the evil. Evil is often transparent.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Good Evening Kelly from Tampa. How are you these days???


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

lol Kelli. Always nice to see you here...


Judy Thornton   April 24th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

I worked with prostitutes in a recovery program. My Pastor husband was a cruel man. After he died I discussed his abuse of me as part of counseling. They told me they could tell he was a bad man when other people thought he was wonderful.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Timp... Its called they are very deceptive... and very good at it, or they would have been caught years ago...


butch   April 24th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

The world has gotten to be a scary and evil place indeed.I DON'T need a doctor to tell me that


Kelli from Tampa   April 24th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Just tyring to finish up this semester...how are things with you? Did you join Larry's facebook? I was hoping you and Hugh from CA were going to!


Laurie Ruffner   April 24th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

I believe that law enforcement and the DA need to look at Melissa Hukabee's family history. Grandpa could have done something really evil including abuse of Melissa. Melissa may be covering up a crime. I hope that all aspects of this case are being looked at in-depth. There's a major missing link when a mother of a girl the same age would do something like this. It does not make sense. Dig deeper.


Lee Vanderlin, MS (Psychology)   April 24th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

1.Learn to trust your own inner signals (which requires learning to slow yourself down every day).
2. Learn to meditate, which will sharpen your senses.
3. Develop the inner strength to walk away when you sense that
something is not right; better to offend someone than to lose your
life!


Jason and Pat   April 24th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Makes me afraid to leave my house. I wish Obama would do something about this.


Keith   April 24th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

'love your neighbor as yourself.'


james   April 24th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Hello all

just one question about all this when did everything that happens in this world become a syndrome or a metal problem not just right or wrong?


Clement   April 24th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Maybe the Joker from "The Dark Knight" was onto something. In a society that can't rationally justify absolute morals of any time, maybe it's just a matter of time until someone totally loses themselves. Perhaps all these killers are just ordinary people, but "ahead of the curve".


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

Kelli. I joined his twitter... I did not know he has a facebook. I will join that right now


Kate from University of New England, Australia   April 24th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

Heya Guys,

I think that different types of murders require different types of mindsets. Some murders require the murderer to have been in a certain frame of mind for quite some time, while other murders are ones purely of the moment where the murder has become caught up in the fever of the moment.

A couple of years ago there was a murder in Armidale, Australia where the victim was killed by beheading. The murderer was later found to be mentally disturbed, and was a person that I knew because I occasionally met him at my University's Licensed Bar. Another murder that occured that shook my hometown of Inverell, Australia was one where some high school kids robbed a friend of theirs parent's Fuel Station with a firearm. One of them in turn got caught up in the moment and his friend, who was working at the Station at the time was killed. I think that these two cases show how the same crime can occur in two different ways.

If time permits, could the compare ask the panel whether they think open access to weapons can manipulate a person's tendency to commit violent crime?


Kelli from Tampa   April 24th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Yeah!


James   April 24th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Why did one of your guests use this topic on killers to promote the unsubstantiated assertion that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad plans to destroy Israel and take over Egypt? Was this is little way to beat the drums for war against another sovereign nation? Why was he not corrected by "Dr Drew?" Just like there was no proof of WMDs in Iraq or that Bin Laden was involved in 9/11, so to is there is no proof Ahmadinejad plans to do anything. What we do have evidence of are threats made by the US against Iran and other countries it arbitrarily labels "evil" or "terrorist." What we do have evidence of is Bush and Cheney committing crimes against humanity, breaking international laws,, using such tactics as torture without any remorse of second thought. If you want to use a world leader as an example of psychotic behavior, use them.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

kelli... what is larry's name on facebook?


Timp   April 24th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Ordinary people kill every day. Most people are murdered my someone they know.


Don   April 24th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Hey richmond besides hitler or stalin can you name a person more evil than Ahmadinejad he is an animal


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

I think they meant that the BEST PREDICTOR OF CURRENT AND FUTURE BEHAVIOR IS PAST BEHAVIOR...


Kelli from Tampa   April 24th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

They should have a link on the front page let me check.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

WOW did you just hear on Anderson... Mexico City is shut down... people are dying.


Keith   April 24th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

So how many Iraqis were killied for Bush's WMD lie?


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Good grief... I work with people that I suspect are illegal from Mexico...


Nicole, from   April 24th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

I am afraid of the ones (murderers) who wear hockey masks


Laurie Ruffner   April 24th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

If Melissa committed suicide (she was on watch), they'd never get testimony to convict possibly grandpa. She was living with her grandfather who is a pastor. I hope law enforcement looks carefully at Melissa's family. I'm not saying she didn't do it; my gut says she didn't and that grandpa or her father or a male is involved. She's covering up for someone. Just a gut feeling.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Keith. I would gestimate around 20,000


Kelli from Tampa   April 24th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Yeap Larry King Live on Facebook..


Liz   April 24th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Dodie,
I agree - you have to respect your instincts, and a gut feeling is a good one. I was responding to the person who said she's suspicious of everyone. I truly think that would ruin my life. I pretty much suspect no one unless given a reason - I assume everyone is good...and after 52 years, I've lived a happy, carefree life full of wonderful, loving people. I was a robbery victim, a suicide survivor (husband killed himself) and we've been burglarized twice. Doesn't change the way I think. Everybody's great, and I embrace my fellow man. And I'm no longer religious.


Clement   April 24th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

A word of advice: expressing your opinions on the Iraqi Conflict is getting off topic.

I don't think one can justly say "ordinary people are killing", because ordinary people, by definition, don't kill. People may appear ordinary, but they will have a killer's mindset long before they begin killing.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Kelli... I just joined... Using my real name which is.........

Dodie (giggle) I am not much into pen names... been on the internet too many years ( lol )


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

@ Liz

What a breath of fresh air. You have a wonderful attitude. I feel the same. I am not suspicious unless there is good reason....


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

@ Clement

Who made you the police of this blog???

CNN has the right to drop any or our comments, as it is their cite... NOT yours!!!


Liz   April 24th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

Thanks, Dodie! It's the only way to live, and I mean really live! And the good news is 99.9 percent of folks ARE good...or certainly not particularly dangerous - so be happy and be free. We're not going to win the lottery...but we're not going to be murder victims either.


Annie   April 24th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

It is very hard for me to trust anyone. I was molested @ 7 or 8 by a stranger behind a walgreens store, raped @ 14 at a bithday party for me by my so called g/f and her sick male Arab/Iranian friends!!! To top it all off, my own mother killed my grandma by smothering her.. so I trust NOONE outside of my husband and his close family..that is all.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

@ Liz... Awe rats, I forgot to buy my mega lotto ticket today... its 165 million 🙂


Natalie   April 24th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

Does anyone think they know a person who has the real potential to kill? I know people who have committed suicide, but did not take others, and have never have known nor do I think I know a psychopath.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

Annie...

I feel sorry that you have to live a life like that. I understand why you feel that way and you are definitely a survivor. I am happy to see that you have family

I have very good instincts probably because I was caught up in a civil war when I was 10 years of age. I trust those instincts and have never been wrong.


Liz   April 24th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

I got a free beer and a free parfait this week by happenstance - just as happy as if I'd won the lottery. OK - not quite. The point is, life is good, and we just need to be happy with the little stuff, be wise enough about personal safety, and smile. Everyone is suffering a little bit about something - a big smile and a friendly attitude really can make the world a brighter place. Suspicion and paranoia beget more of the same. Do I still have time to go buy a ticket? 165? Wow!


hugh ~ tracy, california   April 24th, 2009 10:23 pm ET

I live in Tracy and I can tell you we as a community are in shock and disbelief like the rest of America. Melissa Huckaby will not get off with an insanity plea, she killed little Sandra, and had the mentality to try and cover it up. She is not insane, crazy yes, sick yes, but she knew what she was doing and tried to get away with it. Stuffing little Sandra's body in a suitcase! Are you kidding me?! She deserves the death penalty! That's all I have to say about it tonight. Watch your kids always. Peace and love to all who are understanding and have compassion for the innocent. Goodnight.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

@ Natalie

Most Men who fit into the serial killer of women are often a projection of their hate towards their over-powering mother. Both men and women kill out of rage and jealously.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

Liz lol does the 165 mil make your mouth water. It certainly makes my wallet and bank account skip a beat!


Annie   April 24th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

You can call me scared and paranoid...but, one thing I am not is STUPID or IGNORANT about the killers us!!! I am a victim of crime and I am a statistic x5, painfully so.
You WON'T SEE ME OUT WALKING AT NIGHT, showing cleavage or acting stupid w/ my head in the clouds.

LISTEN UP WOMEN ON THIS BOARD!!!!!!!!There are KILLERS EVERYWHERE... Don't be the person that says, "Oh that can't happen to meeee, NOT MEEE!

WAKE UP PLEASSSE and PROTECT YOURSELVES!!! Watch your back at all times women of the world..Dont be lazy or immediately trusting to anyone, pay attention to what your doing and what they are doing...
I am a woman of 43 and I have seen so much, fett so much pain from others hands!!

JUST BE VERY AWARE and CAREFUL 24-7!


Liz   April 24th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

To Hugh: Our love goes out to your community. This is indeed a heinous and astonishing crime. But along with my happy theme, I might add that my mother was VERY overprotective of me, and that messed me up - made me fearful and dependent. That's why I've rebelled against that - my kids were allowed to play freely (in the nice neighborhood we lived in) and they are stronger and more independent people than I am. Don't overprotect, people! Reasonably careful is enough...anything more will backfire.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:31 pm ET

Hugh, Yes, coming from a small and close community, that must be an outrageous experience. I could fully understand the "detachment" mode. As the thinking would be... never happen here.

I live in Orange County, next to the gang city of Santa Ana, so I do not even lift an eye brow with something like that. I would love to retire in a close community as we hardly know our neighbors here. If you asked every house hold on my block what their next door neighbor's names are, I don't think anyone could answer that. I have lived here for 37 years. Pretty scary


Liz   April 24th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

Annie, sadly, and I do mean sadly, you are the .1 percent I was referring to. I stand by my statement. I refuse to watch my back at all times because I will diminish my life. I am no fool - I have my good instincts - but I refuse to live life from a place of fear. I'd rather live happy (even, if god forbid, I end up a victim) than live in fear. I still say, the average person stands a whopping statistical chance that, as long as they don't take foolish chances, that they'll go unscathed throughout life. I'm sorry you've had so much pain, but I disagree with your advice. And I've been a victim, too.


Annie   April 24th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

These killers are ill. They have needed MENTAL help for sometime in my opinion! Just like my mother...she seemed like she would not hurt a fly. BUT, she hurt us ALL by her killer hands and heart!!!


Sheryl   April 24th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

On tonight's Killer Among Us. I was exposed to a "Killer in California" years ago. I was almost killed by him, but thank God barely escaped death several times. I believe and that belief was reinforced by psychologist and psychiatrists that he was a total psychopath with sociopathological Despite a long history of him, his parents and his long time stepfather, hard evidence and then a final "deal" from a newly brought on to the case Deputy DA they let him make a "dealI" and in fact released him without notifying me. That is against the law in California. He was released with a personal vendetta and came directly to my home of 19 years to retaliate.

I finally left the state, my grown then children and the horror I live to this day through dreams and just reliving sometimes the horror he put me through.

I wasn't the first victim of this monster nor the last, but he spent less time in jail than he did stalking and making my life a complete horror.

How to solve the continually worsening crimes against women and children? No Deals! NO Deals! No Deals! It only serves to lessen the self esteem of the victim and strengthen the purpatraitors or predators. Many people, even one or more of your guests tonight said that they couldn't tell about the psychopathic or sociopathic behavior of the killers, but they could pften obviously see the vulnerability of the victims. THAT IS BACKWARDS AND ONE REASON WHY THE SYSTEM DOESN'T WORK QUICK ENOUGH TO SAVE THESE VICTIMS.

Thanks for the forum to try to change this injustice which is far to prevalent in our society.

Sheryl


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

Annie

I see your pain and fear. You are a survivor. You are a kind person as you want to protect others so they do not experience your nightmares.

For me, life has to be worth living. I have always taken risks and I am still doing fine. I am older than you are, but still want to feel the zest of life. I do not think I would want to continue living if I was that fearful. I hate feeling fear... I always move it into anger as I can deal with that better than fear. I have had a machine gun pointed at my head in Egypt. I have had a knife at my throat by a 7/11 robber. I can NOT let those experiences rule the rest of my life. I saw people shot and killed in Haiti when I was age 10.

I respect what and what you are saying. Its just not for me. My heart goes out to you in your pain and fear....................


Natalie   April 24th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

Dodie and Lee Vanderlin, MS ,

Dodie, maybe you are right, but I have to wonder if the real psychopath does not kill from rage. MS Vanderlin, you seem to be addressing a self-help group. Which maybe we need, but you are very 90s in your approach. Hopefully you realize this is a bit outdated. What would you suggest for the next century? And, seriously, I am not attempting to be facetiious 🙂


Liz   April 24th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

Me, too, Annie. Ditto what Dodie said. And Dodie, you are amazing - what a life story!


Fatemeh M.   April 24th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

The doctor from NYU – I do not remeber his name- who compared Ahmadi Nejad to Psycho killers ??in this Dr.Pinsky's program is stupid.How come the expert doctor does not compaer Zionist regime killings of Palestinians to these psychos? I suggest Larry King Live be more selective in choosing these socalled experts and monitor what they say on air. I believee this doctor from NYU was not answering the question that was asked from him.he was on CNN to bad mouth other countries' leaders...


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

Liz

I am really impressed with how you turned out after hearing your child hood experience. I am really happy you let your children play freely in a good neighborhood.

No one has a crystal ball. No one can tell what might happen to us in the future. in 1995 My best friend came to me crying... she was afraid that I would die soon as I had stage 4 breast cancer. I told her that I felt I would out live her. 2 days later, she was killed in an auto accident and I am still around to be a thorn in some people's side 🙂 so you just don't know... No one can predict. All we can do is live life to the best we know how and try to enjoy life as much as we can...


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

Natalie. I never take offense in what people say. Everyone has an opinion. We don't have to agree... I don't read self help books, I studied psychology for 11 years in college. Probably why I am a little crazy myself. 🙂

I only hope you can try and enjoy life as best as you can. I really appreciate your honesty! You are also a breath of fresh air...


Natalie   April 24th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

Fatemen, political activists are not always the same as psychotics. But they can do damage regardless. There are all sorts of reasons for killing. None of them will ever make sense. If people kill, they must suffer the consequences.


Liz   April 24th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

Omg, Dodie - you ARE a survivor, and your sad story about your friend and the accident is case in point why we must not be afraid; we must live life loving others freely and happily and not diminish our lives, or by domino effect, those around us with negativity, suspicion and reserve. G'night everyone!


kc   April 24th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

I truly believe killers are made not born.


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

@ Fatemeh M

If I understand you correctly... Are you saying compare serial killers to Terrorist killers? I can immediately see some similarities and differences. Would make a good research paper...

very interesting


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

Good night liz. Really enjoyed your perspective


Natalie   April 24th, 2009 11:00 pm ET

Dodie, you are not a little crazy, you are a very brave person who pushes the envelope. I'm no spring chicken either, and have been around the block - with a little college, but no degree. Still, the self-help was not something that I would ever suggest to someone like yourself, since I tried it myself, as many of us did. What I wonder is this: why did you put yourself into these situations? I know maybe one, but not all were a surprise to you. Sometimes I think we see enough to not care about who we are, but care only about what we are trying to accomplish. Maybe we try to lash out and cheat the fate of ourselves and others.


Derek Speed   April 24th, 2009 11:04 pm ET

Is the problem the people who kill, or the people who have been lead to believe that one human killing another is abnormal human behavior? For as long as man has recorded his history, he's recorded his violence.Ask yourself this question, and get a calculator. If no humans killed any humans for the last two thousand years like the "bible" suggests, what would the current human population of this planet be right now? There were approximately 1 billion people on this planet then.
We have made almost 2 million laws for our societies today, all of which in some way shape or form, protect YOU. Can someone in the WWW. area code, please tell me why we in the here and now, are 2 million laws more valuable than the people who developed agriculture 8000 years ago, the same developments that feed you and your children today.
The root cause of global warming can be attributed to four words written thousands of years ago, and was a huge missinterpretation. "I have not killed" one of several writings in the Egyptian book of the dead, that were converted into the "Ten Commandments" It's this simple, the "thou shalt not kill" PHILOSOPHY, not truth, makes human life more valuable than the planet that sustains it.
We live in a world where, the mere thought of being responsible for your own exsistance is shere obsurdity. "What, me hunt my own food?, thats totally insane". Or grow my own food, who ever heard of that"? "Defend myself? no way your crazy"? This is the kind of thinking we have in our world today.
We have people like Nancy Grace, and the propaganda machine that is CNN, using a podium for non-violnce, Well, Nancy, I'll go into a Court of Law against you anytime, and prove beyond any doubt with one simple mathematical question, that violence, no matter how much you and Larry, and the rest of the CNN propoganda machine, Oh and lets not forget Dr Daniel G Amen lol,don't like it, is what allows you all to be here right now, let alone have an opinion.
Don't get me wrong, I don't like the people who were on Larry any more than any of you, but I know what comes around, goes around, but we don't want that now do we. We're human, we're not part of the circle of life, because "god" says so. In 80 years from now, when there's approximate 25 billion people on this planet, and they all suddenly start fighting for the resources to stay alive. I can assure you, it will be one of my family descendants who will point the finger at all of you, as to what caused the "biblical appocolypse" . Yes, think of those four words uttered thousands of years ago, to which you hold to be absolute truth, and then go pick up a dictionary, and look up the word "IRONIC".


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 11:08 pm ET

The experiences were not predicted. The robbery happened when I was getting some coffee... Egypt was supposed to be safe. I am not traveling to Mexico even though I only live 60 miles from TJ. due to the drug cartels killings

You and I just respond differently to situations. It does NOT make me right or you right. We just respond differently. Just because we are different, doe not designate a right or wrong. You have chosen to be one way, and I chose to be another way.

Most killings are from rage. To be a 'sociopath' is not innate or born, it is made through the environment and rage the the key ingredient.


Larry Roeder   April 24th, 2009 11:19 pm ET

In September, 2004 I published an article in the Foreign Service Journal called A Cry for Justice. It was a complaint about government policies that I felt were allowing, even encouraging torture. At the time I was the Policy Adviser on Disaster Management in the Office of Social and Humanitarian Affairs at the Department of State.

Back in the days of Abu Ghraib a State Department lawyer who knew I was a veteran asked if the activities in the prison were illegal. In is opinion detainees like Pirates had no rights. That was the crux of the thing. America had been attacked and therefore in order to fight evil the Administration ecided that there were classes of people who had no rights. God help the Somali pirates today if Cheney was still Vice President.

Our leaders need to understand that if they break the law they might go to jail. Some call that far left liberalism. I am no liberal. I’m simply someone who believes in fighting the bad guys ethically, in holding to a higher standard that the rest of the world can look up to. This isn’t about being Democrat or Republican, liberal or conservative. It’s not even about loyalty. I have no doubt that the Vice President, the Secretary of Defense and the Attorney General were loyal, intelligent leaders. But in the passion of defending our country against evil, they brought shame to our country and broke the law. I for one think they need to face justice. If we can do that, deal with the political uproar as well – the world will respect us and we really will be the leader of the free world.

Larry Roeder


Natalie   April 24th, 2009 11:21 pm ET

Dodie, Trust me, we are very similar people. And yes, maybe we do respond differently. I understand that and hope that you do not think I am judging you - nor the opposite. I do agree that most killings are done in a fit of rage ... many times "worked up to." I do however wonder if some people just process differently, since many people have a problem with their environment. Maybe some are just more capable of overcoming things. Do you remember reading "A Child Called It?" Some title such as that, anyway. A unique case, maybe, but I always have wondered why some people's spirit has been so easily broken, when yours, obviously, is so very alive, well and strong. Please, tell me why you think I am so different?? Just because we are a bit strong, and have had some "hair-raising" experiences does not make us into strangers to compassion.


Natalie   April 24th, 2009 11:21 pm ET

Dodie, Trust me, we are very similar people. And yes, maybe we do respond differently. I understand that and hope that you do not think I am judging you - nor the opposite. I do agree that most killings are done in a fit of rage ... many times "worked up to." I do however wonder if some people just process differently, since many people have a problem with their environment. Maybe some are just more capable of overcoming things. Do you remember reading "A Child Called It?" Some title such as that, anyway. A unique case, maybe, but I always have wondered why some people's spirit has been so easily broken, when yours, obviously, is so very alive, well and strong. Please, tell me why you think I am so different?? Just because we are a bit strong, and have had some "hair-raising" experiences does not make us into strangers to compassion.


Natalie   April 24th, 2009 11:38 pm ET

Larry, you appear to be a very compassionate person, but people need to answer for their deeds. I agree that we need to be careful, but we also need to be able to get information about those who are determined to hurt us or those that we care about. This is the world that we are living in. I do not want to hurt anyone. Is there another answer? I truly hope so!


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 11:41 pm ET

Natalie... sorry I was on the telephone...

Natalie. You are very sweet. Do not worry about what I think. And No, I do not feel you are judging me. You are just expressing what you think. I really enjoy that and realize your strength because you can express how you feel.

Yes, you are correct. Its just a matter of perception. I guess its just the choices we make. I chose to see the good in people... unless my 'gut' tells me otherwise. I really believe that most people do the best they can... for the resources they have and tools they have to work with. I worked as a child sex abuse investigator for Social Services. I saw some pretty bad situations. I just will not allow my experiences in life to stop me from living as full a life as I can...


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 11:47 pm ET

@ Larry Roeder

I concur with your statements. No one can be above the law!


Dodie from Irvine, CA   April 24th, 2009 11:48 pm ET

Good night everyone.

((( Enjoy the weekend )))


Natalie   April 24th, 2009 11:50 pm ET

Dodie, thank you for taking the time to write back (whew!). One of my friends was a county counsel here in LA for a few years, defending the SS! She found it very difficult. We used to talk over breakfast many times about her cases. She was called the attorney with the "hair" because she is Italian/Bask and has beautiful black curly hair (and 5 foot 9 inches by the way), and she would tell me that sometimes she would be holding back her tears in court.


Apple   April 24th, 2009 11:57 pm ET

Sociopaths and Psychopaths are the same; each word can be used interchangeably, according to the author on TV who wrote the excellent book The Sociopath next door. That book saved my life when a sociopathic neighbor tried to ruin my life and the police sided with her. She had an entire, small affluent city in Northern California under her influence and control. Her lies fooled everyone. Her husband is a lawyer and very convincing...sounds like Harrison Ford when he speaks, and he is probably a sociopath, too.

They live everywhere and work in your workplace. 4 in 100 people are sociopaths, so that only 96% are not without a conscience. They are not crazy or mentally ill...they just don't have feelings for others. Period.


Natalie   April 25th, 2009 12:03 am ET

Apple, the first person who "turned me on" to a book on sociopaths was one. He was a very trusted doctor in our community. He never killed anyone. They don't have to kill physically.


Matt Laux   April 25th, 2009 12:07 am ET

The only person I'm likely to kill would be a child molester. I don't classify those "people" as human.


Tim   April 25th, 2009 12:09 am ET

Unfortunate this case will be exploited throughout the course of the trial. How about the kids who are seeking attention from their parents an accuse an adult they have an affection for of sexual abuse to get there parents attention? It happens everyday and the adult in this case is convicted of a crime they would never commit. No one is talking about the adults but only the child as if the child isn't capable of lying about abuse of any sort.


Patricia Towle   April 25th, 2009 12:10 am ET

If this county and yes I live in this county would better train the law enforcement officers and not allow them to make judgements based on how "they" feel, Little Sandra would/may be still alive today but because they decided in January when Melissa Huckaby drugged a little child, not to press charges due to the fact the "biological mother" "SMELLED" like alcohol, it didn't go much further...HOW DARE THEM? Wouldn't you think if this mother smelled like alcohol, that be even more cause to be more protective of this little girl? Like why is she running around or allowed to be outside with no supervision? Hmmm I say SJ COUNTY and especially the SJ COUNTY SHERIFF'S Department needs to look at how the officers are trained to handle such situations..


Patti   April 25th, 2009 12:14 am ET

Remember the other little girl? Where theres smoke theirs fire!


Apple   April 25th, 2009 12:15 am ET

Yes, Natalie, they do not have to kill physically...they do it mentally...they convince by lying, which they are well practiced at....and try to make you the look like the one who is crazy

California's laws protect these creeps


Collin   April 25th, 2009 12:17 am ET

This is just stupid, just because she's a sunday school teacher does not mean anything, And just because she's a mother dose not ethier, being only thirteen, i relize that this is a big issue, but all their stating is that shes a sunday school teacher, and shes a mother, what about her work, her background, things like that, just because she dose things like teach sunday school dose not mean anything, she is just an ordinary person!


delontay gordon   April 25th, 2009 12:21 am ET

People should now realize that killers can be anyone, anywhere an then maybe there will be less racial profiling


Natalie   April 25th, 2009 12:22 am ET

Matt, you are right, these people are not human. They are desperate to feel yet, at the same time, they are incapable of feeling. So, they keep "upping the ante" and thinking "this will work." But, of course, it doesn't. That's why their behaviour escalates. What Tim said about lying is true too. Desperate people are different from people who are desperate to feel, though. Even my friend who worked as a county counsel here in Los Angeles found herself siding with a father in court once. That is one of the reasons she is no longer with the county. People are capable of sad things when they become desperate, but that does not mean they are sociopathic.


Lionel   April 25th, 2009 12:25 am ET

I believe that killers do walk among us. I think it would be important as some of you have stated in your post, to educate yourselves in these matters so that you are able to educate, detect, and respond appropriately. An educated mind is a powerful weapon. Not using it is guarantees defeat.


Andy from Las Vegas   April 25th, 2009 12:26 am ET

The human mind is a complicated thing. While I'm not a psychology major, this much is obvious. People are too complicated to truly have a baseline "Normal." Yet society tends towards a sense of "normalcy". Hence our surprise when someone snaps. Or when someone displays disturbing behavior. Sometimes it makes you wonder if you can truly trust anyone.

My point though is, is that the human mind is often too complicated to totally contemplate. Psychology has a long way to go.


sherwin w   April 25th, 2009 12:28 am ET

i think that as a society, we should all watch each other's backs. killing is bad


Natalie   April 25th, 2009 12:34 am ET

Collin, you are absolutely right! No one has any right to treat anyone as if they owe you anything or as if you deserve any kind of hurt. And, Sweetheart, she is not even an ordinary person. She is a complete failure as a human being. She has failed all of the children that she had in her Sunday school. She failed every human being who has been through trouble and tried to find their way out. If she did what she is accused of (and it sounds like it's true) she is not a real teacher and do not ever feel that there are good, decent people and teachers in this world. She is not a real teacher!


Fernando   April 25th, 2009 12:35 am ET

Killing is a means to an end. Usually the only solution to one's problem. Whether it be to satisfy an urge, be with the one you love, or for shear survival, we all have the killer instinc, it is supressed until in our mind we initiate those sequence of events that will trigger the kill response and solve whatever issue started you down that path.


Kris   April 25th, 2009 12:37 am ET

Hi,

Thank you for addressing this issue and topic being a mother,sister,friend, neighbor it is very frightening to think that there are murderers among us the fact that in 2004 the FBI stated that 37.4% of murders went uncleared that's over 6,035 people “got away with murder” that year or that there are 40,000 unidentified bodies in the United States many of whom have been murdered that is not even including all the missing adults and children that have never been found and may or may not be deceased I can not believe this is happening in our country! We have to keep are loved ones extra close I don't even dare to allow my child to play outside who can we trust anymore? It seems to happen everywhere schools, churches, neighbors Dr. Drew please help us in what we can do to not be afraid every time our children and loved ones walk out the door to live daily life

Thank you,

Kris


Chelsea   April 25th, 2009 12:37 am ET

I believe everyone is capable of being a killer,but not everyone is capable of being a hero. what has this world come to?..


Peter   April 25th, 2009 12:38 am ET

Yes,
I have watched my own "scary" behavior... I have been very angry. I have not killed anyone, but catch someone molesting a child, and this would be different.
And what about the fact that the government (any government) routinely kills. And large numbers of people both its own, and the ever present "they", the Bin Ladens or the Sadams, etc.
Government is the reflection of the society it serves, what is the big surprise when individuals kill to serve their owns wants or needs? Hell, the government does it.


Apple   April 25th, 2009 12:39 am ET

I hope all of these murders put the pressure on news agencies to report more often on sociopath/psychopath killings. They are not the same as people who commit crimes because they are depressed. It is time to point out what to look for, as unbelievable as it may seem to some.

Thanks to Larry King for having tonight's show and all of the guest speakers. Especially Martha Stout, PhD. More attention should be paid to those in society who give you the creeps, but you don't know why. And law enforcement should learn to help people who are victims of sociopaths, those who live next door to you and make your life hell. Don't write off those who seek help from law enforcement.


Chelsea   April 25th, 2009 12:39 am ET

How can someone decide to end another persons life when only God has that power. Who do these people think they are.


Natalie   April 25th, 2009 12:40 am ET

Collin, I meant to say this: Remember that there ARE good decent people and teachers in this world. Never give up hope because of one bad apple. Most people are good and caring. Maybe with some flaws, but will be helpful and good. These people are very unusual.


Patti   April 25th, 2009 12:41 am ET

Only God and Melissa Huckabey know what happened


Les S.   April 25th, 2009 12:41 am ET

Lawyers, judges, cops, firefighters, reporters, are all involved in child trafficking. That's why they make weird excuses, let people out of jail, don't investigate child abuse, etc. And send out the debunkers to minimize or deny the facts. I witnessed many people involved in an organization, yes, there were women, men, blacks, asians, hispanics. The sociopaths know each other and have a network.


pibb18   April 25th, 2009 12:42 am ET

Everybody is a killer, you just have to know the right button to push. Its human nature.


Patience   April 25th, 2009 12:42 am ET

Everyone is a potential killer when the limit of normalcy is exceeded. The message is: Never, EVER, trust anyone implicitly, whoever that person is.


Melinda G.   April 25th, 2009 12:43 am ET

Mr. King and producers,
I watched the first 10 minutes of your program this evening, but had to turn the channel because I could not bear to hear that woman, Stacey, speak (yell) any longer. There was no meaningful information to glean from this woman. Her manor and voice unbearable!


pibb18   April 25th, 2009 12:44 am ET

You the person reading this you are a killer. Everybody is.


Natalie   April 25th, 2009 12:44 am ET

Fernando, I'm not sure what you mean when you say we all have the killer instinct. Do you think we are all potential sociopaths? Killing solves nothing. And I guarantee you a sociopath isn't trying to solve anything.


Natalie   April 25th, 2009 12:46 am ET

No, Patti, God and all of us know what happened. Only God and Melissa will know the details.


Dawn   April 25th, 2009 12:46 am ET

Of course we live among killers.... if we didn't there would not be killings.....I think that everyone has it in them to kill... we all have choices in life.. mental illnesses or not.. seriously..... we all have choices....... think about it..... do you want to live your life in jail or just fantisize about what you could do to someone????


Staci and Steve from Worcester, MA   April 25th, 2009 12:46 am ET

I believe craigslist and the community websites should be regulated in order to save lives from these insane murderers.


Janel Lovett   April 25th, 2009 12:47 am ET

Yes, someone in my life has shocked me with their scary behavior. I was shocked to learn that two female teachers/teacher aide's at a local school were found taking 2 or 3 middle school students out to restaurants in town. The scary part is that these women told the students to tell their parents they were at school functions. The parents figured it out all on their own. As you'd imagine, no one suspected these two women of having predatory motives or "grooming" them. The only thing anyone noticed was that they wore skimpy clothing to a school dance. The ladies were fired, but to my knowledge, no criminal investigation occured. Couldn't these women be guilty of kidnapping or something else? This is very scary and shocking to me. These women have families at home. This situation alone causes people to feel trusting and not suspicious. But why are they sneaking off to dine their students? IThis behavior appears to have the possibility of falling in the "grooming" category. It is really sad that people are so sexist in their thinking. Had this happened with a male teacher and female students, my guess is that it would have ended completely different. People, open your eyes!


Danny Ketcherside   April 25th, 2009 12:48 am ET

Some of the most prolific and heinous serial killers/offenders have been associated the clergy or deeply involved in their chosen religion. Is this a fluke or are these just places that allow people to hide in plain sight behind their facade.


Richard   April 25th, 2009 12:49 am ET

Killing; proof that God gives us free will and that the Devil does exist


Martell Conley   April 25th, 2009 12:50 am ET

Anyone of us could fall victim to stress if we become spiritually disconnected. Once we have fallen to stress the crazy comes out but our friends and neighbors might not notice.


pibb18   April 25th, 2009 12:52 am ET

Dr. Drew is the man. Love all your shows.


Danny Ketcherside   April 25th, 2009 12:53 am ET

BTK for one.


Nina   April 25th, 2009 12:56 am ET

Did anyone ever think what horror movies these days does to our youth?


Richard   April 25th, 2009 12:57 am ET

Sometimes killing is justified when it is in self-defense and I believe you have to fight the good fight if the time comes.


Roland   April 25th, 2009 12:57 am ET

It is bad enough that American's are already scared of each other and this show tonight even makes Americans more suspicious of one other so have fun making us mistrust each other more then we already do. George Bush has already done this by telling the American people after 911 to spy on their neighbors.


Danny Ketcherside   April 25th, 2009 12:58 am ET

Oops something got lost in translation. Some of the most prolific and heinous serial killers have been deeply religious or highly regarded by fellow church members. Is the church a good place for these fanatics to hide right in plain sight such as BTK for instance.


pibb18   April 25th, 2009 12:58 am ET

You people need to quit looking for answers. The fact is nobody has a glue, you just have to sit back and wait to see who goes nuts next. Some kings and rulers of the old age and even government around the world and here has killed more than we could ever imagine


Danny Ketcherside   April 25th, 2009 12:59 am ET

Please forgive this is my first time to participate in this sort of thing.


alice_cullen46   April 25th, 2009 12:59 am ET

you know ive been through beening beatin and my step-father sellin drugs with the mexican mob and ive been in their home


Andy from Las Vegas   April 25th, 2009 1:00 am ET

Either way, another thing people need to remember is the high stress culture we live in nowadays. Some folks are simply more fragile than others mentally and spiritually. Always that drive to succeed. To do better. Make more money. Get that new car. Buy a new house. With the recent depression(well, technically a recession until 15% unemployment nationwide, as I understand it) It's more to make ends meet. While those circumstances may or may not be involved in Ms Huckaby's case, for the most part stress has an effect on people. Everybody has a breaking point, and it's different from person to person.

Of course, many people have what I like to call "Their Rock." That one thing that keeps them stable. Protects them from the storm of life. For many it's Religion and Spirituality. Others it's a person, a spouse or child for example. For some it's work. For me, it's the simple Idea that "If I stay a good person, I'll be ok."

Some don't have a rock. And some are simply broken to begin with. It's a sad fact of life. As for whatever happens to Ms. Huckaby, I hope she finds peace, one way or the other. Funny thing is, I'm not very religious, but my moral code includes the concepts of forgiveness. Due Justice as well, but also forgiveness. If she is the one responsible for this crime, she must be punished accordingly, but also we must be better people and forgive her once the punishment is carried out.

There I go again, going on and on. I wonder if I talk too much.


Oscar Williams   April 25th, 2009 1:01 am ET

I think that murders are a condition of ones heart. People looking at the brain trying to slove why people do this sort of crime. Poeple who do this sort of thing never learn to bond with one onother. It is just like a man never bonding with his daughter so he sees her as a sex object.

What is so magical about being a Sunday School teacher? Being one has nothing to do with weather one can kill or not. There are phonies every where.


Nina   April 25th, 2009 1:03 am ET

Andy, random question I know, but are you at all related to the Murphy's? And Mike? Sorry to be so off-topic, LoL.


Les S.   April 25th, 2009 1:14 am ET

Also teachers, doctors, white folks . . . I could not believe they actually stated in a Northern California newspaper, "Here in the State of Jefferson, we breed different."


Meg   April 25th, 2009 1:14 am ET

The show is now over, but I wanted to let you know that Dr. Drew did an outstanding job. Very interesting show tonight, thought provoking and cohesive. So much better than loud, abrasive Joy Behr, who I turn off immediately. Good Job, good choice, if we can't have Larry King, this is a great alternative


Bethanie   April 25th, 2009 2:50 am ET

I thought that it was sick that after some 20+ years these physcopaths are still getting the attention I believe they so desperately want. I think that media gives murderers only more ideas and some sick people the aspiration of becoming what they think is great through years of public talk and maybe just one day someone will make a biography about them. It's SICK! Does the media really not care about the families that do not want to re-live this everyday of there lives?


Andy from Las Vegas   April 25th, 2009 3:11 am ET

@Nina. No. In fact I've only lived here since November 07.


Dwayne Gnaderton   April 25th, 2009 3:21 am ET

I understand the concept and symptoms of a sociopath, but do you really beleive that it is a complete lack of conscience or is it possibly a stronger biological system acting upon the addiction and the immediate pleasure seeking principals of the addiction....do you really think they don't have any consicence thoughts of what they have done?


don   April 25th, 2009 3:28 am ET

Scot petterson got into a lie and couldn't find a way out but to get rid of a problem. where as the craiglist killer is a preditor in the same league as BTK. Those are heartless hunters no difference to a tiger or lion on the hunt. They are masters of hiding from their prey till they strike.


don   April 25th, 2009 3:43 am ET

the BTK case he didn't care about his victims, all he care about was putting one over on the police. The thought he smarter than the police and ultimately that brought him down. your putting a one time killer in with BTK. Thats wrong.


Taylor   April 25th, 2009 3:45 am ET

A psychopath:

Isa:44:18: They have not known nor understood: for he hath shut their eyes, that they cannot see; and their hearts, that they cannot understand.


don   April 25th, 2009 3:46 am ET

one last thought the reason these killers threaten to kill themselves is to be the center of attention. In jail they they think they are not the center of attention so they make up threats to keep that thrill up.


Keith   April 25th, 2009 3:56 am ET

Why are you scared, you are more likely to die in a car crash than by a killer.


mylesw   April 25th, 2009 3:59 am ET

While there are killers among us and the possibility of sociopaths or psychopaths to commit these heinous crimes and not feeling remorse while knowing right from wrong. We can not forget the a good portion of those people that have no predisposed tendency of being sociopaths or psychopaths. They could also be middle aged caucasian, pillar of the community of well respected in a professional capacity with no prior abuse in there history and raised in a good environment. But, this is a front for there dual life that not even their wife, children or closest friends know about. They are criminals that commit heinous acts against humanity, i.e. murder, rape, stalking. Some often begin by stalking using it as a gateway crime into murder or rape. You just cant ever tell. Thats why its so important to be careful and safe.


jeremiah hibben   April 25th, 2009 4:11 am ET

just heard that sociopaths cant pass a lie detector.wrong!!!! i personally know one charged of assault on a minor who had to pass one when she failed her drug test on probation for the last ten years.By the way this woman this woman had sex with my sister when she was 16 and the sociopath was 23.She told me recently that she was high everytime she took the lie detector and laughed when she did its just too bad she wasnt actually charged for touching my sister!She was on probation for assaulting a young man! as a final note just want you to know i did 10 years for robbery and cant undrstand how someone like this got probation and my sister is still afraid to speak about this strangers actions.she just got off of probation and now there is nothing i can do


Arek   April 25th, 2009 5:29 am ET

Why this kind of crymes happened in US often? Because of your society nad lifestyle


Alex Escalante   April 25th, 2009 5:35 am ET

A sick society makes sick people. Society needs to heal from within.


Dave Jones, Bolton, UK   April 25th, 2009 5:45 am ET

Don't forget, when you deal with people like Dr Harold Shipman who is estimated to have killed as many as 250 people, "type" goes out of the window.


Victoria Morrison   April 25th, 2009 5:52 am ET

The Huckaby case has chilling similarities to the Helen Priestley murder that took place in Aberdeen, Scotland in 1934. In this case, a local mother and neighbour of the victim, Jeannie Donald, was convicted of the crime.


René DK.   April 25th, 2009 5:54 am ET

i knew a girl how was almost decaputatad by a person i was frinds with . i diddent knew he was capebel to do it..


Lucy   April 25th, 2009 6:08 am ET

Killers come is all shapes & forms. Rage is based on many a emotion, acted our on selfishness, jealousy, greed or hatered.
Your closest neighbour you poured out confidence may hate you more then that you never spoke to- a relative or sibling might dispise or get even – the teenager down the street with no morals who bullies.


John   April 25th, 2009 6:08 am ET

The Bible says the first man ever born of woman was a killer, and he murdered his own brother.


LeAnn Judkins   April 25th, 2009 6:20 am ET

How can I get a daily email about who's on Larry King Live each night?


Antoinette Harmon   April 25th, 2009 6:20 am ET

I am old but I can tell you that looking back we have always had "bad" people. The "bad" however is much more prevasive than it used to be. No one thinks a thing about just being mean for no reson. Customers have become consumers and we all know the "customer" is always right not the consumer. Business will not even answer the phone anymore. Politicians take money from everyone who will give it to them, and to hell with the people they represent (or not). It is so very sad that many of us who are older watch the lies and I am at the point now where anything they say "The Government" said I believe is a lie.

Everyone is mean. The religious people got rid of "By Grace are we saved" and incoreporated into the churches (Christian ones) that by Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson's rules we will be saved. just send them your money.

Everyone can kill and we have had killers among us since Cain and Able, but we as a society pay so little attentiion to what goes on around us we don't help where we could. We are so involved in "twittering" (the biggest waste of time I have EVER heard about) and talking we seldom if ever listen, and never let it be said we let someone eles's opinion be as important as ours.

Life is very sad now and although it has never been perfect it HAS been better and people HAVE been nicer.

Anne


Ashley   April 25th, 2009 6:28 am ET

When can we feel safe? When we all move to Canada. But, if you're among those willing to stay in gangland American, then learn to harness your inner bravery - the children of our future come from consecutive generations of failed parenting and broken marriages.

What has society come to when we can no longer trust each other? Sir, if you can actually imagine a time when we used to trust each other then either you're deluded or you just have a far wilder imagination than the average Joe. American-Reality: we're a collection of outcasts with a sordid history of black slavery, Indian genocide, religious bigotry, imperialism, carpet bombing of civilians, nuclear bombing of civilians and thanks to the GOP we can now add prisoner of war torture to our growing list of inhumane accomplishments. GO USA! :/


sheggy   April 25th, 2009 10:29 am ET

my opinion is that president obama is not right for probing of the bush administration with reference to the harsh torture of the terrorist, the terrorist are evil, they destroy lives of people,they kill innocent people, they destroy nations, they force people to follow their evil law of terrorization, they make people live in fear and danger,pain,agony,dismay,sorrow

in 2 days they killed 150 people in sucide attacked by this terrorist, the terrorist do not have human feeling and thought, they shed innocent blood daily in the world, attacks in morocco, egypt,saudi arabia,america,india, britain,iraq, afghanistan, pakistan, somalia and several part of the world through their terrorist attacks, American soldiers,children,youths are been slay and kill everyday out there in iraq,afganistan, from terrorist attacks because they want freedom for the whole world. And obama did not see any torture in that,obama did not see any pain in that, obama did not see any agony in that, obama did not see any destruction in that, obama did not see any evil in that, all he is after is to probe people that sacrifice their power to fight the terrorist evil, is to probe the people that want to stop the terrorist act and destruction on this earth, all he see is to call the torture of the terrorist evil and support the terrorist with useless democratic law of war and prisoner abuse.

All i feel is that no one on earth should pity the terrorist or have a mild and calm way of dealing with any terrorist, in any form because if this terrorist have the chance and opportunity of freedom, i certainly believe president obama and is entire family will be the first set of people the terrorist will execute with their evil terrorist sucide bombing attack,can someone tell me if president obama or any of is family was among the people attacked by the terrorist in 9/11 attack, will he live to see this day, or does he think the family of those involved in this attacked by the terrorist will ever forget this pain and sorrow of loosing their family in terrorist evil act and event.

i may blame bush administration in other aspect but i will never in my life blame him for killing or torturing any terrorist because if am in bush position i will not torture terrorist when i get them i will also execute them immediately because they do not deserve to live on this earth because they have shed enough blood and put many family in ever lasting sorrow through their terrorist attacks and sucide killing.

Am not a political person in support of any party, i am a black guy from nigeria but i feel obama should think and stop acting like a doll that is push by is political party because i know right deep from is mind,is wish is not to probe bush administration but obama is been push by the democrat party to finally demolish the repiblican party with this probe but i dont care about that but all i care about is that no one should probe any person for torturing or killing terrorist because if the terrorist have the chance that person will be the next target line for the terrorist to kill because terrorist are evil that do not deserve to live.

Sheggy from moscow


Terry, TX   April 25th, 2009 10:51 am ET

@hugh ~ california

The subject of murdered people is sad and heinous and we not talking politics here….but they have already CAUGHT this killer…it’s not like she is out on the loose and Grace and her clone have not covered the subject thoroughly ….7 days a week….at least 2 hours a day. Not to mention HLN in general...great coverage....Actual, factual …observable. Do you know Nancy Grace gets more viewers than Larry King…on stuff like that the public goes to Nancy Grace…I go to her because I don’t like her clone…the only thing she refuses to cover is children murdered in honor killings by family members.


Agnes   April 25th, 2009 12:25 pm ET

I'm sorry I didn't see the show, but was alerted to the blog by a friend, and have read it all. I also have survived a number of things over a long life, including the murder of my daughter and grandson, and the suicide of my brother.

I choose to not live in fear or anger. I believe that much violence evolves from fear, which is covered by anger and rage.

If we could talk AT each other less and listen more, our lives might be just a little peaceful.


John   April 25th, 2009 1:17 pm ET

I had known in detail about the attacks of September 11, 2001 since 1997. For four years I told people about the coming attacks wherever I went. I told about 130 people in all, including people in law enforcement who just dismissed me out of hand. I think that sort of selfishness and negligence are a kind of killing by proxy. Nobody wanted to hear what I had to say, and when I said it anyway most just denied, negated, and derogated what I had to say. It was indirect killing by ignorance. Brutality and murder have been with humanity for as far back as we can look into the history we know. It is with us today in various forms, and it will continue. Sooner or later, whether directly or indirectly, we all play some role in violence.


GA35   April 25th, 2009 2:12 pm ET

I liked what one of your guest said. We should change our definition of evil and not only look at crimes when they happen, its the lack of conscience and character that can tell a lot.


hugh ~ california   April 25th, 2009 3:56 pm ET

@Terry, TX,
Great for you, watch Nancy Grace all day and night until you pass out and leave us who care enough to discuss this terrible murder of a child alone. You just want to be a pain to others who do not like you or your comments. Be a thorn in someone else's flesh. I for one am sick of your bull.


rickfromdetroit   April 25th, 2009 5:39 pm ET

Attn: John, Interesting that you knew about the 911 attacks in 1997, four years before they occurred, but you haven't explained how you knew about the attacks. I have had other individuals say they knew about the attacks before they happened, but they to would not explain their advanced knowledge either. I am sure that many people would be interested in an explanation about the advanced knowledge of 911, and this would help resolve the claims you have about "brutal negligence." Could you please explain this to us?


John   April 25th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

It is a long story. I have written a manuscript detailing the entire matter. It is 90-pages and over 54,000 words. One of these days I will publish it. It will be available to anyone who wants to know about it.


Anthony Penta   April 26th, 2009 10:03 am ET

I have a serious issue that can be better explained with a phone call. Alzheimers and Dementia. The legal system is taking advantage of a Alzheimer patient as well a a guardian. A Alzheimer patient does not have any rights and therefore is manipulated and robbed of all rights. Protection is a must for such patients,but what kind of protection. A protection that robs them because they can not protect themselves or a protection that truely looks out for there best interest. I am not interested in donating. I am interested in help and for a majority protest against the system that takes advantage of Alzheimer patients. I would like to be interviewed so that I may bring more awareness of what happens when a patiant is declaired incompetant.


rickfromdetroit   April 26th, 2009 11:52 am ET

John, could you give us a preview of your manuscript. I am curious to hear more about the 911 attack, and I find it very interesting that no one looked into this matter.


rickfromdetroit   April 26th, 2009 4:23 pm ET

John, I have wondered for years why we attacked Afghanistan & Iraq when the 911 terrorist were from the United Arab Emerite and Saudi Arabia. I also find it suspicious that after the congress concluded the 911 commission, that we are just now finding out about the government sponsored terrorist camp at gitmo. I wish you would publish your story so I could read it.


Herb, UK   April 26th, 2009 4:40 pm ET

Am truly fascinated by the responses; weirdly enough it always is a necessary thing to examine the evils of any type of society. I don't want to quote a Morcheeba album title; but the discussion of the spectrum of these acts is of immense importance to the experts and to the general public[as it is truly educating]. Mental health is treated with a lot more importance in the States, but you is viewed upon as something to laugh off in the UK. Great show by the way, sorry I caught it late on the rpt!


John   April 27th, 2009 7:33 am ET

I am not sure why they attacked Iraq, but I am sure it was not for the reasons they stated. I most likely will publish the manuscript. It is just that I am not ambitious, and I am not trusting of publishers.

I can tell you, most everyone I told about the coming attacks denounced, denied, and even became offensive about what it was I was tellng them, no matter how forcefully I presented the information. To one group of about thirty people in a college classroom I gave a presentation similar to what you might expect in a formal briefing, but to be denied and doubted. I am telling you. Most everybody chose to look the other way, including experienced law enforcement people,


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