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February 19, 2009

LKL BLOG EXCLUSIVE: Duggar family on raising 18 kids!

Posted: 12:12 PM ET

Note: The entire Duggar family (all 20 of them) will be on LKL tonight!! This is a LKL Blog Exclusive commentary by them:

Raising a family today can be very expensive. Given the fact that our family is five times the size of a family of four, we are constantly looking for creative ways to save money. Here are some tips we have learned along life's way to help trim household expenses.Duggar family

1. Our family motto is "buy used and save the difference!" We shop at thrift stores, pawn shops, auctions and garage sales for items such as clothing, furniture, appliances and vehicles at wholesale prices. For example, we bought a 21 passenger shuttle bus for $2100 on a sealed bid auction and have used it for several years to transport the family. We have never bought a new vehicle.

2. We always negotiate to get the best buy on large ticket items or items we buy in large quantities. The key is to ask a decision maker (like a manager), since they have the authority to make the deals. We also try not to use credit, since cash buyers get a better price!

3. We buy food by the case at stores that don't have the frills, but offer the same quality at a lower price.

4. Our daughters have learned how to cut and style hair for family savings.

5. We make our own homemade baby wipes with the following recipe:
Ingredients: One roll of Bounty paper towels, one-gallon ice-cream bucket, (clean and empty), two cups water, two tablespoons baby oil, one tablespoon rubbing alcohol and one tablespoon baby bath (optional).

•Cut a whole roll of Bounty paper towels into thirds (we've found that Bounty is the only brand that works. Use an electric knife for best results).

•Place one of the halved rolls vertically into an empty and thoroughly cleaned one-gallon ice cream bucket. In a large measuring pitcher, mix two cups water, two tablespoons baby oil, and one tablespoon rubbing alcohol (some families also like to add a tablespoon of baby bath).

•Pour the liquid over the halved roll of paper towels in the ice cream bucket, and soak for 30 minutes. Remove the cardboard center. Feed the top corner of the paper towels through an X-shaped slit you've cut in the lid of the ice-cream bucket so you can pull out and tear off one "wipe" at a time.

Check out TLC.com or our website at duggarfamily.com for more money saving tips. Good luck!

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Brenda Wilson   February 19th, 2009 12:57 pm ET

Regarding Nadya Suleman: I feel all of the vitriol and anger directed at her shows how mean and viscious people can be. They are coming out of the base boards like rats. We have seen this happen regarding abortions and birth control. When I was much younger, young couples were meanly criticized if they decided not to have a child. Why can't people drop this and get on with their lives. I for one believe in birth control and in certain cases abortion, but it is none of my damn business that Ms. Suleman made a decision to have her children. I saw her interviewed and she made a decision based on her belief system. She is a bright young lady. Unfortunately, the children do not have a father present in their lives. I could say that was not a good decision, but this is not my business. I am not going to be one on those idiots that carry on and show alot of anger. It is none of my business. I feel Ms. Suleman will manage and life will go forward with her little family. Someday, we will look back at this and say, "how stupid people are." Thank you, Brenda Wilson


sean brizendine   February 19th, 2009 1:11 pm ET

larry it sounds like they are big into teamwork and you got to admire that.
"sean in santa rosa"


Rose   February 19th, 2009 2:38 pm ET

If everyone had children, with no checks and balances on the welfare of the kids – stating it was the parent's business – then there would be no need for child advocates or child protection agencies.

There is a great need for child advocacy and protection. When children are neglected, abused and in some cases killed, the public cry is "where were the authorities?" Of course, people can have children and it's their business. It's also the public's business if the mother makes no attempt to be independent and willfully continues to have many, many children that she clearly cannot support – and public funds are used. This will create angry responses.

Ms. Suleman's home was shown on TV. There is no room for 14 children. It is apparently in foreclosure now, so who knows where her kids will end up. She cannot manage so many children. She does not have the resources to do so. How can someone with no job, no home, no partner, no money, living off of student loans, food stamps and public assistance "manage"? I hope the authorities step in for the sake of the children. We have laws concerning such matters as child welfare.


Gene from Tulsa,ok   February 19th, 2009 4:25 pm ET

Mr. and Mrs. Duggar need to write a book on how to successfully run a family. My family and I want to start a family of our own and if they wrote a book on how to run a family no matter how big using personal past experience they would make a fortune. I would buy that book in a heartbeat.


karen   February 19th, 2009 6:46 pm ET

how awesome to see a family help a family outside the country how polircally correct how about start at home in the united states to help the children and families who have lost their homes or to abuse. quit giving all the movie stars praise to help abroud when help is needed here we give to other countries but think of how much they could help in thier own country!!!!!!


Arielle   February 19th, 2009 6:50 pm ET

As a Christian, I believe that God does not make mistakes. He brings life into the world and everyone on earth has a purpose in life. God bless the family of 20, 15, 10, 5, and 2.


Rose   February 19th, 2009 6:54 pm ET

Well, there are a Mr. & Mrs. involved in this family to share responsibilities .
The octo-mom is single and in a dream world


Vance   February 19th, 2009 7:04 pm ET

short selling stocks ban. The only way to stableize the decline. Rid the market of hedge funds(SKF) these firms are useing to borrow as much they want to short financials. They can control a stock and the market that doesnt have alot of volume by Naked short selling. Why doesnt anyone see what is going on Larry?


Susan - Canada   February 19th, 2009 7:23 pm ET

Arielle,

You are right – God does not make mistakes. But....this was not God's doing...it was science.


Janie   February 19th, 2009 7:38 pm ET

The Dugger Family Children are growing up in a home where God Resides and it is a Family, that the word Family means something,, These two Parents beleive that God will provide the needs of their Family because The Father goes to work everyday and brings home a PAY CHECK. The Mother has more Skills than I have ever seen in one Woman.. These Children have grown up to realize that when you grow up you learn what it means to provide for your Family by Working and Making your Living. You don't rely on the State to take care of you... These Children are taught Values and Morals and Faith and Trust.. If we had more Father's and Mother's in this World that wil give 1/2 of what these Parents do to their Children. We would Cut welfare in half and Dead Beat Parents would be no more.. I raised 5 of my own and i would have had more, but God saw that I had enough and I had no choice but to stop.. I have 8 wonderful Grand Children and I finally have my HOUSE FULL...

Keep Raising your Children, Under the Laws of God and God Bless your House, each and everyday...


andrian   February 19th, 2009 9:07 pm ET

I have 18 brothers and sisters!!!


HIgs   February 19th, 2009 9:07 pm ET

This is ridiculous. No body should have that many kids. They are just going to end up weird like their parents. It is unlikely that all of the children are emotionally stable.


Mark   February 19th, 2009 9:09 pm ET

Brenda Wilson. You forgot a few small detaisl: She has no job. She is on the government dole. She is on disability from with where she can't lift–but she can take care of these kids? What is wrong with you? Or are you another selfish person living off the hard work of other?


Gerri   February 19th, 2009 9:09 pm ET

There's a vast difference between the Duggars and Nadya Suleman: spacing. Suleman's older children are not old enough to help out with the younger children. The Duggars have children that range in age. The Duggars also didn't have a litter at once; they have single (and twin?) births all the way through. The Duggars are a stable family unit. Suleman is not.

My half-uncle and his wife had 16 children, all natural birth, a few twins, mostly single births. She was one of those women who has no problem getting and staying pregnant. I'm glad I didn't grow up in that family (for multiple reasons), but that's what they wanted. Of course, when he wanted to adopt after their last one, his wife put her foot down and said no. My reaction? Good for her!

I'm mixed, very mixed about how I feel about large families. But I will say I'm not thrilled at all about how Suleman has acted and is acting in this situation. I feel sorry for the kids. They're the ones who are going to suffer no matter what.


rush   February 19th, 2009 9:10 pm ET

susan...I believe Arielle was talking about the Duggers and God's plan NOT the Octo-mom!!!!


Hilary Cathcart   February 19th, 2009 9:10 pm ET

Hey Janie: I hope you are not the one responsible for the education of your eight wonderful grandchildren. The laws of god are fine but there are grammar and spelling laws to be considered.


Tina   February 19th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

Larry, I like how the family trust God to provide for them. They are an example that if America would learn to live humble, America would be a peaceful and happier place. Good job.


mostly normal   February 19th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

I'm perplexed by the media's fascination with large families. Why is this news worthy? What are these parents admired? This planet would surely be doomed in a few generations if this level of human
reproduction were the norm. How about promoting responsible
parenthood for a change!


Madhav Phadke   February 19th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

Poverty teaches so many lessons in life and the courses are not offered in top notch colleges like Harvard and Yale.


Kate   February 19th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

There is a huge difference between the Duggar family and Ms. Suleman, there should be no comparison. The Duggars are responsible adults who are able to provide for their family with no governmental contributions, with no expectation that others will carry their load, and who take the FULL responsibility to provide for their children. Ms. Suleman is a selfish, self serving woman who is using these kids to fulfill her own needs. She is irresponsible and according to her mother, already does not take care of the 6 that are at home. And furthermore, she already has 3 disabled children who will need extra attention and care throughout their lives. I can't stand the people who are saying that we are "judging" Ms Suleman as if we don't have that right. As soon as I found out that she had no money and no way to pay for her hospital bill and that my tax money will be funding her fantasy, I earned that right. I don't think there is anything wrong with having as many kids as you want if you can fully provide for them without any expectations of financial support from the government. There needs to be a limit!!!


Abq-Mom   February 19th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

Children are always due to a couple's action (or inaction on birth control), not just "God's will." I personally think it is completely IRRESPONSIBLE to have so many children. That goes for Mr & Mrs Duggar as well as Ms Suleyman. That many children consume far too many resources in this world!


John Q   February 19th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

Can you make your own condoms at home?


Bob Kicam   February 19th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

I think this is a great example of poor family planning, and I can't believe that all of you saying this family is so great. Obviously you guys have no realization about how bad the population on earth has become, and it is because people like this are praised for their lack of sense.


Derek   February 19th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

Oh my god! Why are there so many stories of two people having 8, 9, a dozen, 16 (!!) children?! Is the math too hard to realize that this world will NOT be able to sustain a species that quintuples its population every generation?? I'm sorry, I really try to be understanding in these types of cases, and you sound like a very nice family, but my god, this is why the world is running out of resources QUICKLY. We are destroying this planet, and two parents having multiple, multiple children is a primary reason why.


Asa   February 19th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

I could be wrong. But in this picture, I only count 17 Kids not 18.
Making this only a family a 19 not 20 like advertised.


Jaey   February 19th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

Did we forget the fact that dad Duggar is a miilionaire former state legislator?
Did we forget they have corporate sponsors and a house that Discovery Channel gave them?
Additionally, according to The Dallas Morning News, "charity and donations of food and household appliances provides in large part for their lifestyle."
They are apparently not so far from Nadya Suleman as one might suppose. if she had a husband, none of this hoopla would be occurring. But instead, she has a Scarlet Letter plastered on her. I am not all in favor of what she did,, but I do hope she can manage this.
Gene- they did write a book, and they have a TV show.


J Barth   February 19th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

@Brenda Wilson –

You are absolutely right – it is not our business what Ms. Suleman chooses to do in her own home.... until she relies on us, the taxpayer, to completely and utterly support her decision. Until she puts all 14 kids at risk by having no job, no stable, VIABLE living arrangments (14 kids in a 3 bedroom house???) and until she shows that she is not capable of physically caring for 14 kids, 3 of whom have already been proven to have disabilities (she's collecting $$ from the state for them) and who knows how many of the 8 premies will have issues too..... and she is on disability HERSELF for a back injury. How do you go around lifting and hauling 8 babies in their car carriers, all of the diaper bags and essentials, and the strollers necessary to transport them all if you have a back injury bad enough to warrant $165k in disability payments?? Let alone carrying around any of the other 6 toddlers??? My mil has cancer throughout most of her body, and a documented 50% degeneration of her hips and spine, and we STILL had to fight tooth and nail with a lawyer on her side to get ANY kind of disability money from the government....... how bad must Ms. Suleman's be that she was able to collect such money??

I worry more for the welfare of those children (food, clothing, someone to attend their school classroom activities and afterschool events, you know, to BE THERE for them) than anything else........


Lisa   February 19th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

I believe that it is irresponsible to have 18 children. It is foolish to think or say that each of these children is going to have the PARENTAL support they need, not their older siblings raising them. Big families are fine but this is obscene and the fact that they parade it on TV, like Jon and Kate is not right. I personally believe raising a family is a private affair and if we planned to have each and every child brought into this world instead of "Let God decide" then maybe there wouldn't be so many unwanted kids.


Mike   February 19th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Brenda Wilson, with all due respect, I live in California where Ms. Suleman lives with her 14 children. Being a taxpayer, it is most certainly the business of citizens like me and other Californians whose tax money is going to support a woman who has no job, has no income, no home and whose hospital is already asking our state to reimburse it for the incredibly high costs of delivering and caring for 8 babies. Ms. Suleman says she receives no welfare; the truth is, she has been receiving hundreds of dollars worth of food stamps each month just for her first six kids. If Ms. Suleman had the money to provide for her 14 kids, I would say it is none of our business. But she is selfish and a deadbeat, and we the taxpayers have no choice but our money will support her and her kids for many years to come.


Anna   February 19th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I absolutely love following the story of this family. I wish every family in America worked together as they do. God Bless and good luck Duggar Family!!!


Gary   February 19th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

as a foster parent, I have seen adults make poor choices everyday. Nadya is "living off the system", while having thousands of dollars of plastic surgery to look like angelina jolie....Now, the eight additional kids (through no fault of their own) will be paid for by us TAXPAYERS. I love kids-Ive made my life-long work helping kids,but this instance is just dead wrong. Her Mom is raising the first 6 kids, so now she will be the "Super Mom" and raise the rest? She needs help-both physically, but especially MENTALLY. Send me photos of the kids since I will be paying for them over the next 18 years.....thats the least she can do 🙂


Mark   February 19th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

"Arielle,

You are right – God does not make mistakes. But….this was not God’s doing…it was science."

All things come from God. Everything...


Jennifer   February 19th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Go Ann!


Beth   February 19th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I LOVE Ann. We need more folks like her!!

Now, the Duggers make me turn the channel. That is no exageration either. I've only been able to watch their "show" about a total of FIVE minutes before my stomach starts to REVOLT!


Diane   February 19th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Hey Gene from Tulsa,ok:
They have written a book. It's called "The Duggars: 20 and Counting." And the book tells exactly how they raise their children. The Duggars are an awesome family!


Sabrina   February 19th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Well, I think that the octo-mom needs to better align herself with reality. 14 children...none f them capable of lending a helping hand is absolutely a huge recipe for a huge disaster. But I dont think the mom really cares because with all the *possible * and * probable* book deals and gov't $$$$$$ flowing around she will get her cut. One cannot help but assume what her true motives are. I mean, she is alone for heavens sake !!!! A major problem is in the longrun...poor children, in my opinion cannot receive the adaquate style of care necessary for proper development. Now dont all start responding in haste !!!! Its only an opinion based on what the media portrays the situatin to be.
The Duggars, are a large family, and I am not too crazy about that either.. but at the very least they are organized and show over and over again that they are responsible for eachother and have a guidance in God. Being a religious person or not, that 's enough to motivate and add purpose.
That octo-mom better get her act together....who knows, maybe TLC might want to do a show on her.... PLEASE DON'T TLC !
LOL


Mary, Amite, Louisiana   February 19th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Ann Coulter has not bowed down to liberal pressure to be "politically correct", she tells the truth the way it really is. What a loss for out children, they are smat enough to know the truth and are told they are wrong and can/t voice the truth Thank you Ann Coulter.


Woody McBreairty   February 19th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Ann Coulter has the eyes of a mad woman. I would bet that if the truth be known, she has a mental impediment.
And why on earth does she smudge so much black crap around her bulging eyes?


Linda   February 19th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

Tell you what: If Suleman could have shown that she could afford to raise each and every one of those kids AND that none of them would suffer emotional neglect while they are growing up I STILL would object. Why? Because no matter how you cut it, this woman would still be collecting tax credits for child care, etc., which takes away money needed for other people in need.

She's a selfish and emotionally unbalanced narcissist. Shame on her. Why would anyone want her to raise kids? She's one hell of a lousy role model.


Elsa   February 19th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

Regarding single mothers. I can't believe someone said it! Kudos for Ann.


Derrick Bales   February 19th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

I just don't get it. We get it in all your arrogance you are so smart and you are your own person you don't care what anyone thinks, but come on get over yourself! You are a self proclaimed patriot telling the nation a vote for the stimulus package is a vote against freedom. Do you think saying these things being an arrogant self righteous megalomaniac is in anyway in the better good of this nation?


Chantal   February 19th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

I LOVE the Duggar family, when I first started watching them, they had a lot less children and I had my doubts and criticisms, but the more I have watched and now that I have read their book (which I received as a gift for Valentine's Day) I truly admire them and all they stand for! They have the kind of values and standards I am trying to raise my children with! I think anybody that can do what they do is amazing!! GO DUGGARS!!!!!!!


niki   February 19th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

I believe Ann Coulter, promotes prejudices against women, and all non white races. Does she in fact even talk to or have any friends who are black, asian, latino, etc? By the way, Ann, although it is true that you are very popular, there are millions worldwide who hate the things you say, stand for, and do. Hence the results of the last presidential election. Old school, primitive, racial, and bias philosophies, and viewpoints are not the mainstream.


rob   February 19th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

Is Ann a man or a woman?


Tim Duffy   February 19th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

Ann Coulter's comment that Americans don't care if there is a deficit is completely untrue. Americans do care about the deficit it is the elected officials and others in power that don't care. They can always tap the tax payer for more money. The American tax payer should stop footing the bill for all of these failed policy's and pork barrel spending and the bold faced fleecing of Americans. If the average tax payer recieved this kind of service at a restaurant they would not pay the bill! Ann can stuff it she doesn't have a clue about average Americans.


M   February 19th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

The Duggars BUILT their house by themselves with help from the kids and it took them years. The picture DOES have 20 because mom is pregnant and has since given birth. They have also published a book.


Teri   February 19th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Brenda Wilson – it became our business when she started collecting government assistance.


Ron   February 19th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Personally, it seems crazy to me to have more than 3 children in a modern setting. It's hard enough to get by with three and as complex as the world is these days, it's tough to give them the amount of "parenting" in order for them to grow into responsible adults.
But you look at the Dugger family, and they have a very very large family, they appear to be displaying a level of responsibility and resourcefulness fitting for the situation and they seem to be making it work. I applaud them!
As far as Nadya Suleman, she has obvious mental health issues and is the epitome of selfish irresponsibility concerning what it means to bring children into this world.
It's not hatred, it's simple concern for a whole lot of toddlers who deserve a chance in life, but appear to be headed for foster care, or hopefully adoption.


Dana   February 19th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

As a Christian, I admire the Duggars very much. They love and provide for their children while teaching them how to survive in this crazy world. Large families are not for everyone of course (as they say on their show), however they trust the Lord to provide and I believe it's their faith in God that is working miracles everyday for them. I would love to be part of that family – if not using profanity, showing your body, being sexually active before marriage, and controlling yourself are strange – bring it on. I know God will say "enter in my good and faithful servants" when he returns. As for the other mother, I fear for these children and I fear for the mother as well. Nevermind that what she did was crazy, there are children in the world now because of it that have to be provided for. Stop being upset and do what you can, what you think is right to help the children! Those babies did not ask for this and they should not have to pay the price because the nation is "upset" that their Mom can't make it on her own. We are the selfish ones! If it isn't in your circle of influence to change a situation, then do what you can to make it better. That's what Christ believing Christians are commanded to do – dare not condemn this woman unless you yourself are without sin too (and I only know of one man that walked this earth that fit those shoes).


Amanda Richardson   February 19th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

I'm not sure you should be telling us how to save and control our households when it is obvious you do not control yours. Believing that God will bless you will children is fine but having them uncontrollably is irresponsible especially with today's economy . Most people can control how much they spend but it is not usually the number of family members it is just how much they buy that hurts a household, unlike your situation which you have so many members of your family you must budget to protect your balance.


Kris   February 19th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

These decisions are in the arms of the mother. If this was a case of a woman that had one child then there would be no story here and it would be her business. Too many people have preconcluded neglagence to these children.

Take 20 families that are on welfare with two children each. This is considered acceptable. Why is it NOT OK for a woman in her situation to have a chance to love and raise her children that would be provided to families recieving sufficent aid for two or three children?


Howard   February 19th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

With that many small children, how can a person legally transport them without car seats and seat belts? Most states require these in private vehicles. Thankfully the crazies in California can pay for it and they won't come to the Midwest where I have to support them.


Doy   February 19th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

The Duggars are out of their minds. They are obviously religious wackos. There is no god, people; get over it.


Bruce   February 19th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

"As a Christian, I believe that God does not make mistakes"

God doesn't, but people do. If God wanted Hitler, that was a mistake.


Jon   February 19th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

I think that the Duggar Family and all families who have that many children this day in age are really selfish and should think about more than just themselves for a moment. There is no way that two parents can take care of 18 children it is impossible, it makes me sick to watch them in action when they make their own kids take care of one another. Isn’t it the job of the parents to take care of the kids not the kids taking care of kids? Furthermore the way the population is spiraling out of control it is just plain irresponsible to bring that many lives into this world, who knows if we will have to spare the burden of these kids I pray to god that we don’t! PLEASE DUGGAR FAMILY LEARN HOW TO USE BIRTH CONTROL!!!!!!!!!!


Nick   February 19th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

This disturbing, selfish family is sucking up the earth's precious resources. What would happen if every couple had 18 kids?


Darlene Wilson   February 19th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Why is this woman having 17 children? how the hell does this women expect to take care of this brood of children with out a job, assistance and a husband or wife. Is she going to mooch off the california public, as they fall more into debt? This is just irresponsible, any one who has this many children is mentally unstable, and ann colter just said that 80% of our inmates are from single mothers, well ann here are 8 more future criminals.


Bryan CA   February 19th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

The OctoMom deserves everything coming to her and if someone gives her a penny, they're stupid. She needs to have her kids taken away and then people can give them all the money they want!


Jean   February 19th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

The Duggars have, and will be successful, because they have a home, teamwork, food enough, an eye on education, and an income

Nadya and her brood have none of the above. They will depend on the taxpayer now, and forever. Nadya wants to go back to school and get a degree. How? Put that on the taxpayer too?

Sure, she didn't ORDER eight more babies, but the doctor should not have implanted that many embryos! He should take some responsibility! Maybe HE should support them! Her mother is likely to have the house reposessed. HE SHOULD HELP OUT THERE TOO, AND PAY THE MORTGAGE!


JOHANN DOHMANN   February 19th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

TO BAD CAMERA'S COULD'NT BE HIDE ALL OVER THE DUGGAR PLACE,WITHOUT THEM KNOWING.....WE WOULD THEN GET THE REAL PITCURE OF THE FAMILY.


kathy   February 19th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Go Ann!!!
You are one of the last persons on this sad earth with any common sense.. I cry for my children when I think of what the liberal idiots are doing to this once – wonderful country..... the whole thing points to blatant socialism...and sadly, chaos will follow. keep up the good work, for us few realistic humans. thanks


Missy   February 19th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Asa- She is pregnant in this picture, and has since given birth.

And Jaey, the Discovery channel didn't provide them a house. The family attempted to build it and then called in contractors.

I live near the Duggars, and know them personally. For the person that said the children cannot all be emotionally stable, and will turn out "wierd" like their parents, this couldn't be further from accurate. People see other lifestyles that are different than their own and label it as wierd, when they actually don't understand.


CHRISTINA   February 19th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

If u have watched the duggars for years now like i have, you would know tlc did not buy the house they helped with furniture.


girlietexan   February 19th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

These two are the most selfish people, (mostly the wife I think) to have this many children. No one can raise this many kids to become emotionally stable.


Teri   February 19th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

I believe the disability payments that Ms. Suleman was receiving were not from the government, but were from a lawsuit that she filed. The kids that receive disability are the ones getting government payments, but I do not believe Ms. Suleman was declared "disabled" by the government. I may be mistaken, though.


Richard   February 19th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

Larry, this story is indeed interesting, but you are perhaps the most capable reporter at CNN and it disappoints me that in this time of dire need for America that you choose to give this airtime. I assure you that there are far more interesting stories than a 20 person family. The media needs to start caring about America and stop doing everything for financial game.


Richard   February 19th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

gain*


kathy   February 19th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

tough luck, don't have babies if you cannot take care of them... i work hard and pay for mine, always have...give them up for adoption to wonderful parents who have the means and cannot have their own. do not give them a dime!!!!!


Doug Bowers   February 19th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Dear Larry,
I was watching your show this evening and was very disappointed. I don't know much about the host, however, she seemed not to be a very open person for discussion wih Ann. I am not an Ann Coulter fan and many of her opinions are harsh, and yet I didn't feel that I got to know what they were because your host continued to interrupt. My suggestion for the future would be to choose a better interviewer and communicator allowing us who have great interest in what is going on in the world, the opportunity to hear the issues rather than cackling and asking questions that were drafted long before the interview. How pathetic.


Shonda   February 19th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Has anyone thought about the emotionaly stability of these kids? How can this single woman have decent emotional bonds with ALL of these children? These kids are at risk of riding the road to destruction. I feel her actions were very selfish & the doctor that performed the procedure should be banned from practicing medicine. I'm so sick & tired of people like her because they take advantage of the system. I'm not working to have my tax dollars to go to this dead beat! She needs professional help!!


Kim   February 19th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

To Jaey:
The Duggers built their own house, not TLC. The father and sons worked on it together along with some hired help. The guy isn't rich, they don't get government assistance, and you don't get rich being a state legislator in Arkansas. They are a stable family unit, and while I'd never dream of having 18 kids, they can afford to pay for them. Mrs. Dugger homeschools the kids, so the state isn't even paying for their education. They seem to be very nice, down to earth people. You can't say that about a single women who is having cosmetic surgery to look like an actress she denies knowing, when she's been practically stalking her for the last year. Ms. Suleman has never had a stable family unit for these kids, has lied about the assistance she gets, lied about being married to a government contract worker that was leaving for Iraq, and thought by having so many kids she's get all the attention for herself that she seems to crave. She's sick, and it has to be some form of Munchausen's disease.


sere   February 19th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

disgusting. that is WAY too many kids.


Concerned american   February 19th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

I must say that even though it is great to hear how the Duggar family manages so many children, in today's world it is irresponsible to raise so many children unless they have the means to support them.

In these times of economic problems, Larry King should be doing some substantive reporting about real issues/problems/news and not followups to the Suleman's case.

I guess now some reporters are more concerned about ratings instead of doing a better job looking at real issues that affect american families.

I have a question for Larry King, why don't you talk about the following:

The COBRA subsidy for unemployed workers, which I understand is before the Senate Finance Committee. Already there is far less funding on the table than there was when the House Ways & Means Committee approved the COBRA section of the economic stimulus bill January 22nd. COBRA reform is critically important to a meaningful economic recovery.

While a number of private insurers offer coverage, they preclude preexisting conditions, do not or only partially cover dental or mental health, provide minimal prescription benefits, in nearly all cases impose enormous co-pays for even routine well-child visits, and otherwise force families to shoulder crushing costs for relatively minimal care. By way of example, even under COBRA, the cost of covering one parent and five children more than doubles to add one more person: the other parent.


Ben Talbot   February 19th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Brenda,
it is our business. OUR taxes are paying for her children...all 14 of them. Oh, and today, it was reported that the house she lives in is being foreclosed on...this women is not mentally healthy and she is now responsible for 14 other lives. Simply selfish, pathetic and embarrassing.


Frank   February 19th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

I am the second in a family of 12, well-spaced kids. The older ones learned responsibility and helping out with the younger ones- great training for when we had kids of our own. Our parents were sometimes attacked for having such a large family, but 11 of the 12 have become highly productive members of our society. The difference between families like the Duggars and ours, where our parents had the financial resources to raise is and for us to all go to college without any help from anyone, and Ms. Suleman, is that it does become our business when we have to pay, through social services, etc. for all of her kids. Having 14 kids with no means of financial support is the kind of thinking that has put us in the mess that we are in. With rights and privilege comes responsibility- we have certainly forgotten the responsibility part.


Suzy   February 19th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Hilary, why are you picking on Janie? Grammar errors and all, what she said was much more intelligent and valuable than anything you just added to the conversation.


mw   February 19th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

i am so surprised at how i admire these people (rather then think they are freaks). they really work together and get things done. they are so sweet and positive and really rebuff the fat, slovenly american stereotype – they are doers! they seem to love each other so much too...


lorrie   February 19th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

I am a single mother with a 15 year old
who is a wonderful, kind, smart teen. I AM TIRED
all the time!!!!! There is no way this girl will
EVER be able to do it and do a good job!!! There
are so many couples looking for a child. I pray
she will reconsider and give them up. She has
no idea! 14 is insane!!!!!!! ALONE
Also , Robbie the shrink should have stepped
in with Ann and Joy. Joy is speaking so
kindly to Dr Robbie compared to Ann!! Either
cnn said something to cool it, OR Joy really
hated ANNE and showed it. I still like Joy though!!


five   February 19th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Deplorable disregard for natural resources and the state of the world. Why when we label it family or religious belief are people then excepted from using common sense and critical thinking skills?


Dana   February 19th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

Dear Jaey,
The Duggars did not receive their house from the Discovery Channel. They saved up for years and built it by themselves. The Discovery Channel donated some furniture and decorating help – it was in their contract. They receive money for each episode that aires as well but they do not receive money from outside sources or donations. They rent out commercial properties and own several small businesses in their hometown. Know the facts....


Kim   February 19th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

Teri,
The disability wasn't from a lawsuit, but was from the state because she was on state business when she was "injured". I'm having a hard time with her being "injured" but she was able to be pregnant with 14 kids... I personally resent paying for that and feel the kids whould be taken into protective custody of the state, since the state is paying for them anyway. Perhaps some wonderful couples who can't have children can adopt them and give them the homes they deserve.


Kristi   February 19th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

I personally agreed with Ann Coulter. She says all the things people are thinking but too afraid to say.


Lucille   February 19th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

I grew up in a huge family, I am the 8th child out o f 13. Mr & Mrs. Duggar reminded me so much of my own parents. We do things together, help around the house, we plant veggies and fruits, we take care of the little ones. We always eat our meals together, we pray together (we're Roman Catholics), we play together, we all do our homework together in our dining table with Mom and Dad right there with us helping us with our assignment especially Mathematics. "Hand me down" was normal for our family when I was growing up. I was not ashame to wear clothes from my older sisters handed down to me. My parents were both disciplinarians, we were taught accountability and responsibilities at a very young age. I'm very proud of my parents, all of us 13 children earned our Bachelors Degree in college, all of us are successful in fhe field we have chosen. What we've learned from our parents, we are passing it to our children, nieces & nephews. We have nurses, doctors, architects, bankerfs, accountants in our family. People might wonder how did my parents afforded sending all of us to college? We, children help our parents send the rest of our siblings to college. We knew for all of us to succeed we must help each other. I grew up in a very loving home, God is the center of our life. I'm very proud of my parents, they"ve succeeded where others have failed. BTW, boys and girls are treated equally in our family, I can do a mans job without a problem, I can operate machineries without a problem, I know how to repair things, my father taught me not to rely on men to do things for me. I was taught self-reliance.


Brandon Berretta   February 19th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

I'm sorry but Mark get a grip... if GOD wanted her to have children, GOD would have made it physically possible for her to have all her children naturally!!! If GOD is in play then science should not be used, let those who live or die be in GODs hands NOT science.

You need a license to fish but ANYONE can have kids!!!


diana   February 19th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I will not support the octo mom but if there is a foundation that directly handles the children and nadya has nothing to do with it I will help the babies not the mother the children should be taken away.


star   February 19th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

disgusting. fourteen children is FAR to many.... let's do the math of all of the resources this family will use over the course of their lifetimes....

what's wrong with having only two kids?


CHRISTINA   February 19th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

The babies would be easy to get adopted but not the older kids and they would be lost in the shuffle, But i do agree something needs to be done


Upset in Seattle   February 19th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I admire the Duggars in that they can provide a lovely home for all 18 kids. However, they are partly the reason why the earth is becoming so over populated. They don't live on a far, so why is there a need to have so many kids. Use contraception and save the human race, please.


bandrcarlson@embarqmail.com   February 19th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

I am the oldest of eight children, (my dad died of a heart attack at 45 trying to earn enough to take care of the family), I have a sister with 6 children, a brother with 7 kids, and we have an unemployed mother of 14, relying on US to care for her brood...18 children, what is the point? setting records, stupidity, naivety or just plain dumb? Why can't we take a lesson from the Chinese in family planning? I do not want my tax dollars to ever go to someone that irresponsible!!


Annie Sciocchetti   February 19th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Regarding the Octo Mom, she should just raise all those children herself with no assistance from government.

I notice Joy Behar is being far more kinder to other guests. Boy, really, really rude to Ms Coulter.


Debbie   February 19th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Sorry, we are not in pioneer days anymore where a large family is warranted to help work a farm! There is no reason on this planet that Nadya Suleman should have had the first six children that she had, let alone the recent octuplets. The only reason I can muster is that she tried to make herself a celebrity so that she could "live" off the children and the money and celebrity status she "thought" it would generate. So, she is seeking handouts on a website instead. Where was her thoughts when she decided to use disability money for fertility treatments instead of using it for her first six children and their livelihood? She is truly a sick woman and there is no way, in any kind of reality that she will be able to single handedly, or even with the help of her sole mother, be able to care adequately for all 16 children and each of their individual needs, as babies, toddlers, children and young adults. It is just a huge, huge, irresponsible and selfish act. It may not be my place to judge, but it does become the business of others to just stand by and not act while the welfare of these kids are at risk. And, it is each taxpayers business to make a statement when she is relying on their money to live. I just can't understand what doctor would go ahead and give her the fertility treatments. Where was he when Ethics class was going on?


Sharon Krall   February 19th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Could you please choose another replacement for Joy. She is totally inappropriate to replace Larry King. Her anger with guests with whom she does not agree is a real turn off. Her rudeness is not entertaining. I will not watch the show if she is on again.


KATHY   February 19th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

18 kids, give me a break! There is no way one can have the time for all of these children. It must be nice to have a reality show showing all the touchy feely times. Their home is the product of a great marketing of their children. Gee, they make their own laundry soap and baby wipes! Why would they have to with all of the money generated in their reality show. Good grief!!! They too are making money off their children, just like the Gosslings. All things in moderation. It makes me sick.


Mark oldest of 12   February 19th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Wow it looks like the Duggars are on the way to adding 18 responsible American citizens who will pay taxes, pay social security, help serve each other, and live the American Dream of Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness. Do we have deficits now due to the 40 MILLION Abortions since 1973? Gob Bless America. God Blesses Us with Life!


pam brucker   February 19th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

What a shame. I look at the Duggar family in total amazement.

The mother is the baby making machine. The children raise each other as they age into the buddy system that the parents have created for their own selfishness.

Each child is not allowed to be creative and individual. Same dress, same hair and same old spooky cult like raising of cookie cutter people. They are not realistic role models for our society


Amy   February 19th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Nadya is now on the news asking for a new home and a new van for all of her children. She is exploiting these children. she was also, buying name brand lip gloss today? She is clearlly wanting money for herself. I mean, who goes out and buys lip gloss, when you have 14 children. They come first!!!! She is thinking of herself. She is selfish
and has some psychological problems. I was glad to hear, that a referral was made to children services, as I am a mandated reporter/caseworker, and I was trying to find the address/phone number to do it myself. These babies could have a great life with some families, who can't have children and would take good care of them. This woman will never be able to do that. She has had these babies at the expense of the taxpayers of America. So, we do have a say in how they are raised. I also, worry about the other six children at home, as there are some special needs children. Honestly, she can not take care of all of these children and her own parents are speaking out against her. What does that tell us? We do have to act and right away, Amy


Julie   February 19th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

It's great that you have so many kids! Your world must be so filled with happiness!!! Glad to see you don't listen to all the critics!


Ross   February 19th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

If Suleman wants to have 50 babies, it's nobody's business but hers.


SIP   February 19th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Back in the late 1800's my grandmother had 21 children, 17 of whom lived. Two sets of twins, the rest single births. They grew up working the farm, and the older children raised the younger. But in this day, it is completely irresponsible to have so many children. There are plenty of children to adopt or to foster if you must have a large family. Re Ms Suleman, as a CA tax payer, living in a state on the verge of bankruptcy, I resent the fact that I am going to have to foot the bill not only for the births (over $1M), but also for the ongoing care of her entire family.

But the question I have not seen answered is how did she pay for the fertility treatments? I've heard that is expensive. If she was on disability already, did the state pay for the fertility treatments too? And don't these fertility clinics have a responsiblitiy to take into consideration how many children the family has already?


Jamie   February 19th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

I will quickly give you some statistics: in 2005, there were 28.5 induced abortions for every 100 live births in Canada. If that sounds complicated, it simply means for every 10 children born alive, 3 were aborted! And this is nothing to a typical North American. Now we have people who are bold enough to keep their children instead of killing them and there is a huge noise. I think these left wing liberals are even more dangerous than their fundamentalist right wing brothers and sisters! And they have a way of hiding it under the phrase "we're protecting the environment". Shame on you all.


Mitch confused by Joy   February 19th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Amen Michelle, sounds of reason and grace.


rhonda robinson   February 19th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Adoption is not love. Hate and irresponsibility is a huge problem in our communities. Most of the problems we are having in America are self induced. Greed and disregard for others is the cancer. At any cost we strike deals and than point the fingers. Make everyone responsible for their actions Wall street, CM, local and state government.
The Bailout is killing us and to borrow what you can’t afford to loose is irresponsible. I am exhausted with the taxes and burden of all the mess. I am 48 years old and everything has went to hell in a hand basket. I can loose everything and I have worked hard to save, invest and raise my daughter after a divorce and I did well. But over night I can end up without my homes, job, retirement, health benefits and it is really scary and makes me think there is a conspiracy to make sure the middle class is poor.

Everyone has an opinion- Ann Coulter is very book smart but if she ever found herself raising her children alone it won’t matter how it happened (divorce/window/single) it is hurtful to children who hear her assessment of the quality of their lives. There are many children raised by two parents and turn out messed up. I am sure when life is good it is easy to judge others. Thank God she does not have too much power.


Stefanie, Texas   February 19th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Enough! I've had it! The Duggars, John and Kate Plus Eight, and whackjob Octomom need to go away. Who cares? So these people have a million children and need to drive a bus to cart them around. Big deal! Why do they get their own tv shows?


duke levin   February 19th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

with a few more kids, maybe greyhound will tote them around.


Alex McNew   February 19th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Somebody tell Joy that the Duggars live in Arkansas – not Arizona!


Sharon R   February 19th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Joy, I am amazed by several of your guests comments, and the public's as well, about Nadya Suleman's babies. Amazed because they are going to extreme lengths to protect the babies. I hope that they believe, as I do, in protecting the lives of all babies, including those who are in the womb.

How ironic, how sad, how disturbing that the same efforts are not made to protect all babies at all stages of development.


Alex McNew   February 19th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Another comment – Joy might announce that this family has a strong Christian faith!


Mitch confused by Joy   February 19th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

WOW!!! Joy what a novel idea of not living beyond your means. It is called being content and understanding the that money is for utility, not extravagances.


whatever   February 19th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

This is ridiculous, as is the Suleman case. I'm sorry, but these women see their only identity as a pregnant woman. Not as a mother. If they did, they wouldn't expect someone else to raise their litters of children (i.e., the grandparents or older siblings). I have one child, and a mother of 7 told me she was jealous while I was pregnant, because she was not. Get an identity, get a life, and raise your child (in reasonable numbers) properly!


Sondra   February 19th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

I ran into the Dugger family in a small Arkansas based store and I was totally impressed at how well behaved the children were. This was a few years ago (long before their tv exposure). I came away totally impressed. All the children were well dressed, seemed to truly enjoy interacting with each other and very polite.


Debbie B.   February 19th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

The Octuplet mom deserves every bit of disapproval she is receiving from the public. For a single mother of six children with no obvious means of support to even have one more child is ridiculous. It would be a different situation if she could afford to raise these children on her own, but she can't. It seems that her parents and everyone involved in her life will suffer because of her bad judgement, especially these poor babies.


Connie Sherman   February 19th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Brenda, you certainly are viewing this through rose colored glasses. I think the fertility doctor should be held responsible. She could not have pulled this off without him. I saw an interview with several fertility specialists and they said their organization has clear guidelines about how many embryos to implant based on many factors, but essentially, for a mother her age, 2 would be the normal standard. So he clearly ignored the guidelines created by his peers to prevent this type of occurence. I live in California and resent that my tax dollars will fund the hospital bill. The doctor should be held accountable.


acidblonde   February 19th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

to the lady who posted below me, personally, I don't think we will look back and say how stupid we were (re: octomom).

Overpopulation of the planet is going to become an issue in my lifetime. I don't know how old you are personally, so maybe indiscriminate spawning doesn't bother you because you won't be here to suffer the effects from it. For those of us who will be around though, resources are only going to get more scarce. The planet can only support so many of us. So for one family or person to go out of their way to have a huge number of children is beyond irresponsible. No Brenda, I think we will look back and wonder how one person or couple (duggars) could be so selfish and shortsighted? It is simply ridiculous to have that many children.

So the criticism is just.


tony   February 19th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Brenda honey,
Regarding Nadya. I wish we could leave her alone. She just left behind a hospital bill worth hundred of thousands of dollars. Since when do you go somewhere and leave without paying the bill. Taxpayers are paying that, along with disability checks and food stamps. We'd all leave her alone if she would leave our tax dollars alone.


commonsence   February 19th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

hello,

Do you REALLY think there aren't people who feel JUST AS CRITICAL of the Duggar family as well???

This family gets a show and is on larry king show as if what they have done is something to be proud of...

IT MAKES ME SICK THAT THEY HAVE HAD THIS MANY KIDS>>>!!


Duggars get a little help   February 19th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

The Duggars are registered as a tax exempt church, so they pay no property taxes (or little). WIth so many children as tax deductions, I doubt they pay much if anything in taxes, so in that regard, their lifestyle is subsidized by other taxpayers. If, however, their children all grow up to be hardworking employees and pay into social security and payroll taxes, they will be contributing toward others' welfare. So, it's a mixed bag. I just wish this family would allow for a little more diversity and let their kids explore outside the family. It seems odd to me that none of the kids really has other, outside relationships, and they do not participate in any high school sports, or much of anything (that is not homeschool or church related).


Adam Franklin   February 19th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Brenda,

You are completely wrong about Nadya, mainly because it IS your problem, and my problem, and everyone else's problem that she made her decision, because SHE CAN'T AFFORD HER KIDS! Not sure how you missed that problem. What she did is indicative and representative of a larger consumer 'ME' society that we live in, where we think we are entitled to do whatever we want with no repercussions. Do you honestly think that Nadya would have had those kids if she KNEW that no one would be there to help her? NO. She problably watched 'John & Kate Plus 8" and thought, man they are making a ton of money with a show, just think what would happen if a single mother did the same thing. That, or she otherwise thought (rightfully so it seems) that people will help her because they have no choice. She has burdened society with a problem that she can't solve on her own. That is the definition of selfish, and it is time the government started taking notice and doing something about it.

I bet the Nadya, the Duggars, and others with families that they can't afford on their own would think twice before having more kids if their tax credit was revoked for ALL of their kids after child number 2, making the burden for their decisions fall squarely on their shoulders. That, or God Forbid, she knew that is she couldn't feed her kids then they would simply starve. It's time for people to start taking a little personal responsibility.


john J.   February 19th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Is it me or was she being very crappy to the Duggars? What was with grilling them on the octo mom issue... why this lary king wannabe trying to be "hard"... all she did was make herself look foolish and left the duggars wondering how to answer "no win" questions.


marja   February 19th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

100 years ago, families of 10+ children were quite normal. It has only been in the past generation or two that people started thinking it abnormal. And now, people are not supposed to have children because it would make them environmentally inconsiderate? The same people who say this often worry about what is going to happen when the baby-boomers all retire. Who is going to take care of all the older people? Probably the children who have been brought into the world by "environmentally irresponsible" parents.

I personally think that one of the reasons the world’s population is growing is that we are keeping older people alive and healthy far later than it was possible to a few generations ago. Should we say that it is "environmentally irresponsible" to keep them alive? Absolutely not!

I personally come from a family of eleven, and I can honestly say that I think our greenhouse gas emissions are far less than that of the vast majority “environmentally responsible” people. As for comments stating that “We are destroying this planet, and two parents having multiple, multiple children is a primary reason why”. . . are you sure you meant that? There are many people out there creating far more damage to the planet than the Duggars


allison rose   February 19th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

who did the duggars say they listened or read that helped them get on the road to finacial freedom..they mentioned the author/dvd name but i did not catch it.


Denise Milan   February 19th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

maybe the reason 70% of audience in unsympathetic towards the octuplet mother is because she's NOT MARRIED, NO JOB, ON WELFARE, AND HAD THEM ALL AT ONCE!!! unlike the Dugger family who had their children the old fashion way.


btl   February 19th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Re: Hlgs

Take any given group of twenty people (related or not) and I'd bet at least one is emotionally unstable.


Bonnie   February 19th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

How can ANYONE think that having 17, 18, etc. etc. children is O.K.? It is down right disgusting! There should be a law limiting the amount of biological children one couple can have. Nice "Christians!?" What a SHAM!!!! Your family alone takes up way too many natural resources... and as it is, the world can not support the population we already have. By the way... just exactly what is your carbon footprint????? This is irresponsible parenting. Very self centered and self indulgent.... Good "Christians?" Give me a break.


eugenia   February 19th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

I must assume that you surely are not making any comparisons to the "octumom" and the Duggars. The public is not concerned with their choices since they are assuming total responsibility for their children. Good for them..............on the other hand the octuplets' mother has had public assistance since she began having children. Do not even discuss them on the same program – it's demeaning for the Duggars.


Celeste   February 19th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

The Duggar's and Octo-mom are two completely different stories.

Octo-mom is basically living off of her parents and public aid, which begs the question: where on earth did she get the money to go through fertility treatment that many times (a grand total of 6 or 7 treatments, at like 10k a pop)? Now if she had gotten pregnant accidentally I wouldn't have a real problem with it, but she she sought out expensive fertility treatment, that she probably couldn't afford in the first place, let alone the kids it produced. But it comes down to should the state have any say in how many kids someone should have?? – the idea of that makes me irate. In my opinion the government shouldn't force women to have a baby, and shouldn't force a woman not to have a baby- that should be the woman's choice.

The Duggars are living off of their own means. Yes, they have corporate sponsorships and get money from the discovery channel, but they are reality 'stars' of sort. Discovery channel makes money from playing the Duggar's show, so the Dugger's deserve their cut, and if people decide to stop watching the show, then the show gets canceled and Discovery is done with the Duggars. If the Duggars were on welfare, public aid, social security, ect, it would be a different story.

As far as the Duggar's destroying the world with their huge family, that is a ludicris claim. They are one of a handful of families that has that many children. By the way, I don't see any media glorifying their family size, if anything their TV show is kind of a like a freak show. (I'm not saying they are freaks, but its like the show exists because the size of their family is such an oddity.) Having small families is the norm in this country, and most people want to have small families, hell fewer and fewer people are having children at all. There is room for small percentage of people that want to have these huge families. Now with that being said, I don't have children and never want to have children, but it is not the my decision or the state's decision to decide how many kids people should have.


clay   February 19th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

i'm a moderate liberal, lou dobbs populist, who likes debate...PLEASE DO NOT PUT JOY BEHAR in the interview chair anymore...she is a pathetic interviewer, and even ann coulter seemed more credible ...all i heard was joy quote phrases from which she remembered no sources & throw alot of canned verbage at ann & the duggars...i had to turn to FOX eventually because this was one of CNN's worst moments...please do not invite her back...


Nancy   February 19th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

It does become my business when I ,the taxpayer, is forced to support her and her 14 children.


George   February 19th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Well they have earned my vote as a deserving family of help if they ever need it.


Saien   February 19th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

The problem with Nadya Suleman situtation is not her rights. The problem is that she is financially incapable of raising 6 children and was irresponsible enough to get impregnated with six embros that the state will have to pay for, ergo the public.

So in THIS case Nadya Suleman decision DOES effect the public. We are paying for her childcare, healthcare and everything else.

The Dugger family does not rely of public assistance. So their decsion to have as many kids as humanly possible are thiers alone and I say more power to them.


Karla   February 19th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

I have watched the Duggar tv show, and I do admire their dedication and hard work. But the babies they keep having are being taken care of and raised by the older children. The parents may be in charge, but the children are the ones doing all the work to keep the household running.


Lance   February 19th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

@Brenda Wilson
The case with Nadya Suleman and the reason why a lot of people are mad at her and have anger towards he is not because they are mean spirited people. These people do not hate babies or anything of that sort, the anger and resentment comes from the fact that YOU and I are paying for those babies. Nadya Suleman knows that she can not provide for those baby, but yet she still decided to go through with IVF, this shows a total lack of regards to the general public as we are all footing the bill in these horrible economic times. People would not be as mad with Nadya Suleman if she got pregnant naturally, Nadya Suleman put the general public in this situation where we have to provide for her and her kids. I myself do not have any kids and would love to have a kid of my own both me and my wife work , in fact I work two jobs and go to school full time and we are staying with my parents to save for a house. I know if we were to have a kid it would be a big financial stress. Not only that but how can a parent pay attention to all 14 kids? She is not a smart women, a smart women would not have 14 kids with no job and no husband to help out. The house that she is living in currently is about to be foreclosed on. Now you tell me how smart and bright this dumb and dim little girl is. All she wanted to do was play house, she can play all she wants but when the general public is footing the bill you better believe there are going to be a couple angry people.


deforge   February 19th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

brenda wilson,

neither was it your business that people are ripping on her this much. face it; harsh, unsolicited critisism is part of human nature, and you are not above it yourself.


Mary C   February 19th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

My goodness, I wonder why people feel that it is none of OUR business ...what, when or why Ms.Suleman has decided to have FOURTEEN children. Exactly WHO do you think will be supporting these children??? Aide to Dependant Children and WIC and Food
Stamps are Federally Funded. Those funds come from hard working
people who pay their taxes and make RESPONSIBLE decisions as to
how many children (if any) they can afford. I am not opposed to helping someone who through no fault of thier own has financial
problems and I embrace the notion that those (ALL OF THOSE) who
have far more than they need should adopt a family who needs to
get back on thier feet! But in case you haven't gathered I resent having to work HARD at 66 years old to help someone who is able bodied but chooses to use that body as a baby factory!


Shawndra Jones   February 19th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Americans, especially White folks need to have more babies. I'm Black and I personally love Whites. I've heard recently that the white population the U.S. is on the decline because White women don't have the certain amount of children to replace the population. I want every race in the U.S. to thrive because we are are all one.


Joel Wegener   February 19th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

Gene,

They have written a book – it is awesome. Check it out on-line or at a Christian bookstore "20 and counting" I believe is the name of it.


Kim   February 19th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

Adam, the Duggers can and do pay for their kids, and did so before they were ever on television. Don't lump them with Nadya Suleman.


Helen, Wolfeboro, New Hampshire   February 19th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

Joy, it is so apparent that you think little of conservatives. But when you speak to this Chritian Conservative family, the Duggars, can't you put your agenda aside for a minute! Take your judgemental tone the hell off Larry King and go back to the View wjhere you belong.


JP   February 19th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

I admire the Duggars and have been a fan and admirer for some time. I think they are raising a wonderful family and children who will all make a positive contribution to this world in their own way. JIm Bob and Michelle don't preach faith and family values. They live Faith and Family Values. I will continue to learn from their example.

For those who don't know. We can also learn from Jon & Kate Gosselin, also on TLC. 'Jon & Kate plus 8'. They share their lives raising twin girls and sextuplets (3 boys, 3 girls). Another very down to earth couple with a large family. They wanted one more and got six! They've managed very well and live a wonderful life with their enjoyable children.


Sue D   February 19th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

I definitely respect every individuals rights to have children or not to have children. Unfortunately too many people in this country are saying it is their right, without accepting that it is also their responsibility after the children are born.

The Duggar's are certainly a high visablity/media family...but every indication is that they take very serious responsiblity for their family with planning, preparation and organization for the lives of each family member.

Ms Suleyman is now, also a high visbility/media individual...unfortunately she is not exhibiting any sense of planning, preparation and organization for the 6 children she had previously, let alone for the 8 additional children she now has. She has said that she is going back to school .....so who takes care of the (14)?

Seems like there will be media hype to Ms Suleyman's advantage, monetarily and maybe emotionally. So who do we blame? Certainly not the children! I am uncertain if blame is right... maybe it is understanding what our country will tolerate or if our country wants to set down fundamental rules of living, like responsibility...I don't know if that is right either? What a changing society this is!

Sue D.
Sue D.


Sara   February 19th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

It is criminal behavior on her part to claim "disability" & yet be able to physically carry & deliver 14 kids all while alleging she is unable to work. She should be investigated for insurance fraud & prosecuted. I have worked as a work comp adjuster &/or supervisor & this is outrageous. It gives a bad name to a system that was designed to provide benefits for legitimately injured workers. This type of fraud costs the state millions of dollars yearly & drives up the cost of doing business and yes folks, it affects the prices of all goods and services. As for the Duggars they wouldn't be able to raise all those kids, if they hadn't abdicated so many of their child rearing responsibilities to their older children. I mean really 18, isn't that enough? Please find another hobby.


Elizabeth   February 19th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

This is a fundamentalist Christian sect that not only views birth control as sinful, butwill not refrain from sex to limit their family size. They are raising they're children to believe this.,

They are raising their daughters to believe that their only calling in life is as a dutiful wife and brood mare.

They are members of the Quiverfull movement, not just some parents who love kids. They are literally breeding a fundamentalist christian army.

They should not be receiving any publicity.


commonsense   February 19th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Your comment is awaiting moderation.
hello,

Do you REALLY think there aren’t people who feel JUST AS CRITICAL of the Duggar family as well???

This family gets a show and is on larry king show as if what they have done is something to be proud of…

It makes me sick they are having this many kids..!!


Kim   February 19th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

Bonnie, I can't figure out why the Duggers aren't good Christians because they have 18 kids... As for carbon footprint, they likely leave a lot smaller one that many families of far fewer members. Get a grip. At least no trees are sacrificed to cut welfare and social security disability checks for them...


Larry   February 19th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

If every family had this many children, the earth would be a waste land. God or no. Absurd.


Lori Glendale   February 19th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

It is certainnly my business when ultimately my tax dollars will be spent on supporting the whole Suleman family! When my tax-supported social services will be stretched to cover one huge family instead of many reasonable sized families. I would have absolutely no issue with her choices if she was sel-supported. Yes, she's bright, but more smart like a fox than someone who uses their smarts to raise a family and give back in return. Oh, she's going to finish er masters in social work - has anyone looked at the salary of thse overworked saints? Not enoughto support a family her size. She'll always be 'on the dole". She's a taker, and very self-centered.


S. Smith   February 19th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

I think there are two factors influencing most negative comments I read online about N. Suleman.

If she had an "American" name, an English based name, I think people would be far kinder towards her.

Because of the economy many people feel that she will take away from what they should be getting and that their taxes will support her and her family.


Julie Sassen   February 19th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

You're without question a beautiful family but please stop having children! The world cannot sustain the population we have. I recycle and try to keep my driving down to a minimum. Our clothes dryer is only used for very short periods of time. I educate children on turning off lights, I ask them to use only two paper towels when they wash their hands therefore saving trees. You have seven cars! I'm so disheartened that you have little consideration for the next generation.


joy   February 19th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

And God made childhood diseases to thin the herd. Unless we are going to allow natural deaths to occur among small children (as God apparently intended), we must be responsible for keeping our reproduction at a sustainable level...two children per couple, max. And none for those who can't support their offspring!


steve   February 19th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

This family makes me ill.


Sick of the Bias   February 19th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

Joy needs to learn that an interviewer is supposed to ask questions and let guests answer. Also, Joy you need to take your obvious bias and liberal agenda out of your job. You are not a reporter; just a talking head for your own agenda. It's hard to believe anyone would let you host a "news" program.


GL   February 19th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

My goodness how everyone has so much to say about one woman and her large family, as if they are the sole drain of our taxpayers money. Is this country so blind and ignorant of the billions of dollars stolen through our social benefit systems throughout the land by illegal aliens? Does anyone have a clue about the numerous quality trauma healthcare facilities that have closed because of these people that have come into our country and literally raped that system top to bottom? Please don't be so narrow minded to miss the obivious and go and put all blame onto one or our own citizens, who is entitled to the benefits that are afforded to her by right, when millions of people who snuck or stayed in this country have reaped the benefits through fraudulent means. Lord what kind of citizens are we?


ms lambert   February 19th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

Please leave her alone, because if she want lots of kids let her. My mother raised 11 childrens on her own and we all turned out just fine.
I am sick and tired of people playing god and judging people. those are her children not the want to be gods.


Dave   February 19th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

Probably would save a lot of money by having a vasectomy. In a world with a population of 7 billion and no end in sight to the continued overpopulation this is sickening. Way to crowd it up. STOP HAVING KIDS


Andy   February 19th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

It's simply socially irresponsible to have 18 children. We need to lower birthrates, not have 18 children.


Ami   February 19th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

This woman is obviously mentally ill – no wonder California is facing insolvency if this is what they are using their tax dollars for. What I want to know is who is the idiot doctor who did this fertilization? He/she should lose their license for malpractice. I didn't realize Medical/Medicaid covered fertility treatment. It obviously should have some discretion in case of a woman being single, having other children already, having disabilities, etc. I believe in reproductive freedom and that she would have the right to have children naturally, but this sort of tampering with taxpayer resources is going to bankrupt this country, financially and morally. God help us all, especially these poor children.


Asa   February 19th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

As a Christian, I'm a complete and utter hypocrite.


PJ Dallas   February 19th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Brenda Wilson @ 12:57 p.m. – are you serious? This woman is nuts and CPS needs to take those children away. She lives with her mother who is 10 months behind on her mortgage, do you honestly think she has the finances, much less the emoitional stability to care for one child much less 14? Someday we will look back say that Brenda Wilson, needed as much mental health help as she did.


Carmela   February 19th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

How do you get to own several rental properties and other businesses as a poor state legislator in AK with many kids? Perhaps those home made wipes saved them the hundreds of thousands they needed for that commercial venture?


Me   February 19th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

For everyone commenting on stories other than this one you might want to think about taking it somewhere else. This is not a chat site nor is it a place for put downs for others.

For those who say it was science your wrong! God is real and He can do as he pleases and allow what He may. All things came through and from Him. He perfectly allowed this family to come together for a reason and a plan that was according to his will. And it is obvious hat He has had his hand upon this family and blessed them since day 1.

Through Christ all things are possible to them that believe.

Ya see i believe this family had and has a vision. They obviously believe in something far greater than themselves. For the ability to nurture and care for each and everyone of there children as if Christ looks down on us in the same manner. Set aside or together still meeting each need they may have by whatever it takes. Now tell me there is no stablity in that family.

You don't just see a family where as supposably having desperate needs taking what they can to help a family in another country with far greater needs than themselves.

Now ask yourself with a family like this who makes all provision for this family? Not by man alone, but a far greater source.......

Jesus Christ!


Min   February 19th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

My friend has 23 brothers and sisters. I think the discovery channel should make a series about them instead.


NevelC   February 19th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

These people are just as bad as Nadya Suleman with their greedy gobbling of the world's limited resources. Shame on them and shame on LK and other media for trying to make heroes out of them. I hope and pray that their kids remain childfree.


CNN reader   February 19th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

I bet this isn't the only family with a 21-passenger van. What about all those Fundamentalist Mormon families with 20 kids? (they have more than one "wife" to help out, but still, they pride themselves on the number of children they have).


Sheri   February 19th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

This post is for Jaey.
Hello...They are not millionaires...They are frugal with everything oh and by the way...they didn't get that house from the discovery channel. They weren't even living in a hovel before they built this house with the sweat and blood from their brow. It is called good old fashion values. This is exactly what got our nation to be a great nation. Families relied on themselves from the biginning-big families were the norm and birth control was a no no. We have turned away from that and for the most part I completely support that. We have to many people having babies that have NO business entering into a life long commitment with a human being. ( In case you do not realize that children do not go away at 18) I have five. Love everyone of them and I also would have had a bigger family but, I want to support them and love them and give them everything.
I do not want to put out a web page and beg for money and hand outs while living on the government. I have my opinions about anyone that does that and can work the system. There are a lot more people out there that can work the system then Nadia Suleman. She just makes a grotesque statement of our society and where our nation is heading.
The Duggars instill in their children the values and morals of a people. Who will do that for the children that Nadia has brought into the world. Well, she says it takes a village. SO, I guess we all get to do that. How scary to let the future of your children rest in a society that doesn't have itself under control. This is where our next generation is headed. I bet Abraham Lincoln is rolling over in his grave.
This is a sad statement. I hope the children Nadia Suleman has bore receive the same chance as everyone else. The problem is that she has stacked the deck against her own children. Never get yourself into a situation you can't get your own self out of. These are wise words.


Patricia   February 19th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

I thought that the questions that Joy asked the Duggars regarding their sex life in front of the children were totally inappropriate. I am not a conservative but there are boundaries which need to be observed. And she said that she knew them from the View? Then why did she say they live in Arizona? This was one of the worst interviews I have ever seen.


pat   February 19th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

I won't be watching any show that Joy moderates.


Incredulous   February 19th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

The so-called "Octomom" is nuts. She has obviously made it her life's mission to play out some weird fantasy about having a big family and live in the public eye, and LET THE REST OF THE WORLD PAY FOR THE WHOLE THING.

She has her first 6 kids, apparently by in-vitro. WHO PAID FOR THAT? I sincerely doubt she did.

Some of those first 6 kids are disabled. WHO WATCHES THEM? I sincerely doubt if she does.

WHO PAYS FOR THE SERVICES HER DISABLED KIDS NEED? I sincerely doubt if she does.

She has plastic surgery in some freakish attempt to look like Angelina Jolie. WHO PAID FOR THAT? I sincerely doubt if she did.

Now, she has another 8 babies, all by in-vitro AGAIN (the clinic should be decertified, and the docs or clinicians should be stripped of their licenses.) WHO PAID FOR THAT? I sincerely doubt if she did.

So now, she trots herself out in the public eye, giving interviews, selling both herself and her children as public commodities, trying to make some fast money because (sob, sniff), it's hard to raise 14 children as a single mom. NO DOUBT SHE GOT PAID FOR EACH AND EVERY INTERVIEW.

A website has even been set up to accept "donations". WHO IS PAYING FOR THAT? Gullible people, that's who.

Octomom has this unrealistically large family now.....there's no dad in the picture.....Octomom has a worn out mother who is probably exhausted and resentful because she is both grandmother AND mother to those 14 kids.....Octomom is not working a single day to bring in any money to support those 14 kids.... UNLESS YOU COUNT THE PAID INTERVIEWS AND DONATIONS.

A professional needs to evaluate this woman and determine the state of her mental health. She is OBVIOUSLY not in touch with reality.

The worst part of the whole thing is.....her kids will suffer for all of this. Those innocent kids will NEVER have a normal life, or any privacy.

God only knows where Octomom is getting the money for all of her in-vitros and surgeries – she's certainly not earning it honestly – but there seems to be no end in sight, when it comes to all the ways she has found to exploit gullible people and the "system".

Sad, sad, sad.


Lucille   February 19th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

Do NOT bring a child into this world you cannot afford to feed, cloth and educate. My parents raised me and my siblings WITHOUT a single help from the government or taxpayers. Why should taxpayers be burdened with other peoples children? She brought those children into this world, she is responsible for it, not the taxpayers like me. It does NOT take a village to raise a child, all it requires is a RESPONSIBLE PARENT.


Stuck in Iraq   February 19th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

^ True Story. Some people posting here obviously live by the motto ignorance is bliss. It must be nice to sit there and pass judgement after simply reading a news article.


Colleen- Canada   February 19th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

Before I begin, I would like to say I am no different than anyone else.
So, when reading this comment, please take in to consideration that I am talking to me as much as anyone else.

Watching the news lately, I can't understand how so many media outlets can now show surprise regarding the death threats Nadya Suleman and her PR firm have gotten. When her story first aired many news channels set the tone for the anger now shown towards Nadya. To me it is quite obvious why there is so much anger out there towards this lady.
When it was first discovered eight babies were born, many news channels reported eight embryos were implanted. Then when her decision against deselection, was uncovered many were extremely angry. Many cannot understand what women go though to become pregnant by this procedure. To ensure at least one baby is born many embros have to be implanted. This is where the painful part comes in. If all embryos take, how many of us could say – this one lives – this one dies.
When no new information was discovered concerning the babies, many stations then resorted to paparazzi style reporting. Her lips became an issue, yes her lips!
Oft times the only thing that remains of a civilization is their historical records. I wonder what our descendants will think of us when looking over those records.
Then without corroboration many of those same outlets reported she had had multiple surgeries to look like Angelina Jolie.. Wow... are we that angry? Are we that supercilious?
We are now facing a time in history where so many countries are faced with economic hardship and the average person is struggling to pay bills. Wouldn't it be great, and maybe I am naive, but wouldn't it be great if we could lift each other up instead of throwing each other to the wolves. We have embraced what not so long ago we despised, the paparrazzi mentality. I don't understand how media and individuals alike can condemn Nadya, when at the same time lift up John and Kate Gosselin, and the Dugger family. Obviously we gage our responses to what we are told.
As we saw with this election we can and do at times assert our own individuality. I really hope we have gained a measure of trust in our own ability to learn all the facts, facts not easily gained information. There is a stark difference between a response evoked by another's bias-tainted information, and a response evoked by good clear honest facts.
We have embarked on a fantastic journey through the information highway and we are rapidly approaching light speed.. At such a time we better learn to discover which is fact and which is creative non-fiction or gonzo journalism, where all facts are tainted by foul bias. How exciting would it be to see individuals turn from their anger and look to the positive.
My wish regarding paparrazzi mentality, would be for news channels to become a beacon of kindness,instead of a place where we learn to fuel our anger. Have we forgotten how to empathize?
As I said at the top of this submission, I am no different than anyone else, I have become a person who is easily angered by things I see on TV. When I say, I for one pledge a change, I mean it.


Mary   February 19th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

Frankly I'm outraged by Nadya Suleyman's choices. Though to blame her alone is not fair. The dr. who implanted 8 babies should take some responsibility for this. How is it okay for someone with 6 kids that she can't take care of be seen as fit to take on the responsibility of 8 more kids.

The Duggers....although I think its a little absurd to have that many kids, I have to hand it to them. They are self supporting, and they are not asking "us" to share their financial burden or to take pity on them.

It saddens me that Suleyman's kids will suffer the most. The duggers at least have all their kids together, provided for and under a stable roof.

It strikes a personal note as well. As a newly wed I would love to start a family, but my husband and I know that we are not financially prepared yet to take on children.

I hope the state steps in for the sake of the children...


happyhappy   February 19th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

I think the Doctor who did the invitro should be stopped. Wouldn't you think he would have noticed that she was a single mom on welfare with 6 other kids. He should have sent her a professional for mental health, not fertilize her. And how could a welfare mom fund plastic surgery and invitro fertilization. She supposedly had a settlement of some kind, but wasn't that supposed to be for the kids? Why didn't her
own mother question her actions?

I think the Duggar family should not even be compared to her. They are wonderful Christian parents and I don't think it would matter if they have 30 kids, they would all be clean, well cared for, and well mannered.


Pat   February 19th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

I raised two children and I know as a mother that there is lot of care being in that position. Having multi-children have to be overwhelming and self-depriving to other children, not to mention it leave no time for husband and wife.

When God blesses a man and women with children, it is a beautiful thing , but when science become the deteriming factor. I have to question the sanity of the individuals.


happyhappy   February 19th, 2009 11:13 pm ET

She knew she had more than enough on her hands before she got impregnated this time. So it was selfish to do it, expecting that everyone else would just chip in for her.

What's so hard for everyone, at least for me anyway, is not being able to get past the fact that the octomom did this expecting a handout, and if people don't help her, we are only hurting those poor babies. She does need help, and a lot of it. We have to remember that there are 14 little ones who are all going to suffer because of her selfish decisions.

Perhaps helping by sending diapers and formula, food, clothing, grocery gift cards, etc. instead of cash would be the best idea to be sure she isn't blowing it on manicures etc. She obviously doesn't have very good sense. I want to help for the childrens's sake.


ms lambert   February 19th, 2009 11:15 pm ET

This comments is on our president of the united states, my comment is that why do the white republicans wants to see president obama fail? It's take a black president to come into the white house and do something that a white man could not do, and that is to put our country back on the right track. President Obama is a very smart, highly educated black man and he will get the job done, just be patient with him. My theory is that if a black man do good in the white house and put the country where it should be, most racist white people will feel like more blacks will run for high offices, cause most racist whites feels like america belongs to them.


Carolyn Cheslock   February 19th, 2009 11:25 pm ET

The fertility Doc certainly should be responsible for paying the hospital bill and also the support of all eight until the age of 18. Half of the ones she already had have medical problems, so what are the odds of there being problems with some, if not all of the additional eight. I'd say it's a given there will be humongus medical bills for all of them. I notice the Daddy is keeping pretty quiet......


Sheri   February 19th, 2009 11:30 pm ET

ms lambert
I am a white republican. Like me just express for the majority of the people I know... it isn't about color so much as party. Every election we this bipartisan issue.
I could care less if President Obama was green, yellow, or pink. I want or economy back on track. We are headed for hard times. This is nothing yet. If the big man-black or not- can not do it we will end up taken over by someone hostile that thinks he can. We need to fix the problems we have incurred over the last dozen or so years. This isn't just a Bush problem. It is everyone's problem. If President Obama can help all of us and get our nation back where we NEED to be I will be very pleased. Our children are going to have a lot of problems if he ( we) can't. I hope everyone that is intelligent and of any race or color steps in and gets the jobs done. Our nation is a melting pot. People that are small minded and selfish will see soon that "We The People" are just that. It doens't say white man in the Constitution.
Keep your head up. These people will come around. If he does the job... then he was the right man... Right!


kelly white   February 20th, 2009 12:23 am ET

I watch Larry King all the time. i will not be watching anymore when you have Ann Coulter on. She never listens, she consistently talks. Not even Joy Behr can get anything in. Let her go on Rush's radio station. She's stuck on herself.


Cheri Patton   February 20th, 2009 12:23 am ET

My issue with Ms. Suleman's multiple birth isn't just that she will now need government support for 14 kids instead of 6. My issue is the irresponsibility involved in becoming pregnant and delivering 8 babies at once. The medical and developmental ramifications are very serious. As a mother of preemie twin girls (conceived naturally and delivered week 26 of my pregnancy due to an unknown reason), I know the problems that preemies can have. Due to their low birth weights and early births, these babies are at risk of brain hemmorhages, heart problems, vision problems, cerebral palsy, mental retardation, intestinal issues, feeding issues, lung damage, and future developmental and learning delays. Add this to the fact that she already has six young children, no forseeable income, no spouse, and possibly no home, I think this is definitely the public's business. Who will look out for these children when their mother is so diluted and concerned with her own desires that she can't see when enough is enough?


Katelyn Dumond   February 20th, 2009 12:30 am ET

In response to Brenda,

The children do have a father figure. Nadya's friend is the sperm donor, and a part of all of the children's life.


Terrence Vukoty   February 20th, 2009 12:30 am ET

Larry, Why do you legitimize Ann Coulter by having her on your program. She has nothing to say to rational people. Joy did a good job on her but it was almost like watching the view. I noted that you took the night off, smart move.


Becca   February 20th, 2009 12:33 am ET

The Duggar family completely disgust me! You shop at GOODWILLl to provide for your children when you are indeed going to have another! This type of store is for families who are struggling and are in need for their merchandise. Why do you have 18 children to you can not provide efficiently for them??You both are not responsible and are not teaching the right values to your children. Your son got married when he was 18, which no one in todays society is getting married that young, to what I think for religious purposes and to have sex!


elwyn wonitowy   February 20th, 2009 12:36 am ET

ANN COULTER.. WHY GIVE HER ANY AIR TIME. i AM SO ANGRY I iCAN HARDLY WRITE THIS PIECE. HER COMMENTS ON SINGLE MOMS
SIMPLY OUTRAGEOUS..IS ANN COULTER MARRIED DOES SHE HAVE ANY KIDS., PROBABLY NOT WHO WOULD WANT TO MARRY THIS FASCIST RIGHT WING NUT.ANN COULTER & RUSH LINBAUGH SHOULD BE BANISHED TO A REMOTE ISLAND 7 LEFT THERE.


DAVINA SHIELDS   February 20th, 2009 12:37 am ET

I love this family!!! TLC should have more families like this so we can view a very functional family and not dysfunctional like the Gosselins! Watching them on T.V. I enjoy the love and respect they all have for one another. I do not enjoy screaming and teaching children how to be disrespectful to each other and others! I have never heard Mr. or Mrs. Dugger yell or even raise their voices at their children, and in turn you will never hear those children yell or be disrespectful of others. Kate Gosselin especially needs to watch and learn how to be a good mother and wife!! The Dugger show is just what this world needs now!!


Liz   February 20th, 2009 12:38 am ET

Ann Coulter is correct, there are plenty of people who love her, and see things as she does. It's Joy we could do without . I stopped watching the "View" and if she keeps sitting in for Larry ...I'll stop watching Larry King Live as well.


Torea Lee   February 20th, 2009 12:40 am ET

As for ms coulter, she's gifted in the art of disagreement..... speak fast, loud and ongoing... She seems more determined to banter her point than to hear anything that may make sense. She's succesfully drawn enough attention to herself to soothe whatever needs for attention she may have. I notice that as her opponent gets close to disclosing her foolish thinking....she simply talks faster, louder, longer...in attempt to wear them out....she's very transparent.


DAVINA SHIELDS   February 20th, 2009 12:45 am ET

I forgot! The most wonderful thing about the Duggers is they are not doing the show to get freebies!!


Dave in CA   February 20th, 2009 12:54 am ET

I am more outraged by the Duggars than Nadya Suleyman. I consider the actions of the Duggars and Nadya to criminal, but at least Nadya could plead temporary insanity or mental incompentence. The Duggars commited their crimes over decades, and they are doing more harm than Nadya with their TV show taht glorifys huge families. Ever think the Duggars TV show may be spawning more Nadya wannabes?

I don't care if the Duggars are able to stay off welfare. They have no sense of proportion of their impact on a world with finite resources. Because laws against have too many children are considered unacceptable, the only way to stop behavior like this is to shame and ridicule people like that in private, in public, and as often as possible; although I doubt the Duggar parents can be shamed. Maybe at least their children will think twice about repeating the shameful behavior of their parents.


kim   February 20th, 2009 12:55 am ET

The focus should shift from this obviously troubled woman, Ms. Suleman, and onto the negligent doctor. I hate the term "Octomom." If you are going to give someone a nickname, how about "OctoDoc!!" As someone who has gone through two IVF procedures, the doctor is to blame by violating the standards of care and transferring so many embryos at one time. He could have refused to perform the procedure. He should help pay for the care of these children.


DAVINA SHIELDS   February 20th, 2009 12:59 am ET

I love this show!! It shows a functional loving family! They are on T.V. to help people understand how a large family survives in these times of trials and tribulations. I have never heard Mr. or Mrs. Dugger yell or even raise their voices at their children, oh how nice that was!! I think Kate Gosselin could learn a whole lot from this family. The Dugger children are able to go places and be respectful of others and inturn will be welcomed back. Reading the blogs on the Gosselins from people whom have been at the same places they are , are shocked at how much disrespect and screaming that goes on in that family, dysfunctional is what I call them!! The Duggers are not out to fill their pockets with as much as they can get ($$). The Duggers are not out to exploit their children, like the Gosselins, if you don't agree look up exploitaion, you will agree then!


Michael Sexton   February 20th, 2009 1:05 am ET

It was great to see the whole Dugger family. We counted 19 kids and were just wondering who the extra one was.


Teresa   February 20th, 2009 1:12 am ET

As long as they provide for the children and didn't over extend themselves. I only had 1 and my husband had 2. That was almost an overextension. When they ask for public help as did the California IDIOT, then I have a problem, because I LOVE KIDS but I can't afford no more.


Patty   February 20th, 2009 1:39 am ET

Congratulations Mr. and Mrs. Duggar on your 25th Wedding Anniversary. In my opinion, Mr. and Mrs. Duggar are doing a terrific job in raising their family, and I am so impressed with their love, respect, and kindness for each other.

Qualities that I like about the Duggars are that they are well-organized, have a clean home, are well dressed, children participate in chores (jurisdictions), children are respectful to their parents and siblings, children are involved in and are learning musical instruments, children are not connected to video games and TV, and the entire family gives back to their community.

I did not think much about home schooling; however, the Duggar family has changed my opinion as their children are bright, talented, and well spoken. In addition, Mr. and Mrs. Duggar have a strong faith and are teaching it to their children on a daily basis. I wish them the best and enjoy watching their television show as well as Jon & Kate Plus Eight!


Wis mom of 3   February 20th, 2009 4:47 am ET

Just like to say since when is having a hundred kids press worthy anyway I understand its entertaining for some but when Robin Meade is covering this story its gone to far. Leave it for the enquirer, they can print it on the same page as the 2 headed alien baby. When there done with it the discovery channel can pick up the story and aire that after the "Im addicted to having babies" show. So Im going to end this by saying isnt her 15 minutes up yet.


Antwinette   February 20th, 2009 10:04 am ET

There's no guarantee that a family of 2 children will produce emotionally stable kids. I'm from a family of 10 children and I couldn't imagine my life without my brothers and sisters. For me, it's no big deal. It's obviously harder to raise them now, but you find a way.


Alba   February 20th, 2009 1:23 pm ET

Larry King Lifve

I just want to talk about this program which in my opinion is great.
I´m Brazilian and I live in Rio de Janeiro. I´ve watched it every single day. Here in Brazil we watch it at 7.00 a.m. I´de like to know about another time if it works at night. For me it will be bether than in the morning, but if it is impossible no problem. I will go on watching it.
Thanks
Alba


jasmine   February 20th, 2009 4:31 pm ET

I can't believe how many people are rushing to judge this mother. Even the Duggars with 18 kids (duggarfamily.com) and Kate (of John&Kate+8) are judging the octuplet mom. They both write books and showcase their brood on television like a circus act.

I think people breeding like stray dogs is irresponsible whether you are married or not. There was a time when having more than a dozen children made sense because you needed lots of hands to work the fields and parents could expect to lose half their kids to disease/famine/predators. Now parents spend about 250K raising one child. Would those married couples have millions laying around to raise their litters if they didn't have book deals and tv shows? If America doesn't condemn them then why pick on a single mom?

Marriage is no insurance against poverty. Half of american marriages end in divorce. What if a husband walks out? Or what if mom/dad has the audacity to die before the last kid leaves the nest?
My religious fanatic Aunt and Uncle had 14 kids one at a time. It almost killed my Aunt and succeeded in working my Uncle into an early grave. He widowed my Aunt with 9 of 14 kids still at home. Despite her husbands death, my Aunt reared all her children and they became productive citizens without a book deal. Did the taxpayers help her? I guess so. But so what. Taxpayers step in to fund wars why not feed kids.

Do we want to live in a country that allows kids go hungry because they were born to stupid parents? Or maybe America should follow China's lead on this one...make having more than one or two kids illegal for everyone...rich or poor, married or single. Better yet, let's start stoning people for reproducing in unpopular ways. Will that make us a nation of good parents?


DAVINA SHIELDS   February 20th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

MICHAEL SEXTON, THE DUGGERS NOW HAVE A DAUGHTER-IN-LAW, WHICH IS WHY YOU COUNTED 19.


akert   February 21st, 2009 10:36 am ET

hello i am telling larry to watch out for funny skecth allllllll about him!


Timothy Feldmann   February 22nd, 2009 4:48 am ET

I think if you have one kid than you can have many!


Kate   February 22nd, 2009 9:36 pm ET

Have read through a few posts ( not all – and am not interested in doing so ) So many negative comments about a family.. that looks pretty darn happy to me.

Isn't that what counts – that children grow up in a healthy happy home. Where they learn values – something that so many people are missing. I personally think it's awesome they can do this.

In a world – where kids grow up with their main babysitter – the tv – nintendo – computers – playstation – where kids don't see their parents but a few hours if they are lucky each week.

This what you are saying is such a bad thing – IS A FAMILY ! . They Like to be with each other – the Mother is home with her children – I would have loved that. I think you people are so shocked because you don't know – what it means to be a family unit.

Most people in their 30's and 40s even early 50s .. I would bet .. grew up with babysitters or daycare. Their is NO subsitute for your mother or your father.. its that simple. The world economy has dictated pretty much how families are –
Everyone wants all these spendy items – big grand homes – etc .. so you work.. and work and work to buy this stuff. well you get the picture 🙂 if you have kids – do you know where they are ? Do you know what they are doing.. do you know who their friends are. Do you know their favorite things ..

Don't bash on people who trully want a family – like these guys do.


DAVINA SHIELDS   February 26th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

KATE, YOU NEED TO GO READ THE BLOGS FROM JODI(THE SISTER-IN-LAW) HER SISTER. READ THE BLOGS FROM THE CHRISTIAN COMMUNITY AND YOU WILL SEE WHAT WE MEAN.


Liz   February 27th, 2009 1:08 pm ET

In regards to the Duggar Family: Forget the money and the television shows. Let's consider these children for a moment. My daughter is five years old. She is my only child. I pride myself in being a very involved and emotionally aware mother. That being said, not a single day goes by that I don't feel a small sense of guilt/sadness that the day is over and *maybe* I didn't spend enough time with her, or missed out on an important milestone, or neglected to truly connect with her feelings/experiences. How these parents sleep at night, knowing there is no possible way they've connected with each of these children in a meaningful way *every day*, is beyond me. Older siblings are no substitute for parents undivided attention and devotion. There is no doubt in my mind that these children, at least some of them, will grow up riddled with personality disorders. I don't care how thrifty or routine oriented you are as a family, the adult: child ratio is obviously dangerously "off". So yes, they are a "cute" family, but "cute" doesn't equal functional.


kitty   March 1st, 2009 1:16 am ET

Hi Anna,

I absolutely love following the story of this family. I wish every family in America worked together as they do. God Bless and good luck Duggar Family!!!

Mee too !!


Jessica   March 4th, 2009 11:01 am ET

If you have ever taken the time to watch an episode of the Duggar's family show, 17 kids and counting, you would know that these kids are happy, heathy, andmore importantly the have a wonderful family life and love for the Lord. I admire Jim Bob and Michelle for all the organization and the general love and uspport they show thier Children. All 18 kids are beautiful and very well taken care of and very much emotionally stable...The Duggar's ahve a life most of us dream of debt free, healthy children, and what I really love about them is that they are very self suffecient and also live like people did in years past with no worries about the world passing us by. They love life and praise the Lord for thier blesings. We should all take a note from them, of course not all of us need to ahve 18 kids however i understand why they have this many kids. If you have ever heard there testimony about how they misscarried due to eing on birthcontrol,it is heartbreaking to lose a child, i have miss carried 2 times at an early age and i Understadn the heartbreak you feel and if there is anything you could do to prevent this from ever happening aain would you not...God know i would. Stop judging the Duggers they are great people. God Bless you all..


Lorraine   March 5th, 2009 3:00 pm ET

Good for the Duggars - I think a large family is much better than an only child, for sure, and it's gotta be more fun and more educational than a family of just a few kids. If they can handle the kids, power to them. Nobody should be allowed to say who shouldn't do what! It's nobody else's business. God don't make mistakes. God allowed them 18 kids. Having such a large family should allow all those kids to learn more than the average small family with all those kids being involved in different things. They have to end up much smarter than the average kid in the long-run. I think it's' great and the Duggars should be commended on their wishes to have such a large family and their ability to handle it well. Good luck, Duggars. I'm on your side.


Nurse Riverboat   March 8th, 2009 1:37 am ET

NO, I can't agree that any of the big families on TV today are responsible, ethical people.
Starting with the Duggars of Arkansas, the biggest crime they commit on a daily basis is HOME SCHOOLING – which robs each one of those 18 children of developing vital social skills and knowing how to get out of the house to school or a job ON TIME and READY to work.
They are self-supporting, but they ignore each one of their offspring and wrongly assign an older child to care for a younger child. This is totally UNFAIR! Those older children don't owe them; what they need is to get out of the Duggar home and have a chance to enjoy their own childhood, which is fast and fleeting without being bogged down with a baby they didn't have.
The Kate and Jon show is a sham which most brazenly encourages marginal people to have a messload of babies whom they cannot afford to have. Kate's behavior on screen is witch-like and she is so condescending and rude to her bald headed husband. I think he's making plans to dump Kate and leave her at the curb and who can blame him? Kate publically embarrasses him, demasculinizes him and ridicules him at every turn. SHE is a boore and a wild woman gone crazy with her pseudo fame and baby-driven fortune. This show is unwatchable.
WORST of all is Nadya Suleman who is insane and should be confined to a mental house of rest and rehabilitation as soon as somebody can slap a straight jacket on her. The Fertility QUACK who implanted that messload of octuplets into her uterous should be sued by Kaiser Permanente for the cost of the birth of all those 8 babies. Los Angeles Child Protective Services are actively recording every word uttered from Ms Suleman, her parents and her actions are being monitored. I don't think a one of those precious 8 octuplet pups will be allowed to go home with their lunatic mother.
It is justifiable that us US TAX PAYERS voice our outrage and disbelief at these outrageous mega-families.
There is no category of MENTAL ILLNESS that is defined as of yet, of baby-obsessed mothers, but thanks to these 3 cases of baby excessiveness, I believe the DSM IV book will be keen to develop an OCD type of category that these dysfunctional families exploit.
Having too many chillens is an unhealthy obsession that every citizen should be wary of; after all, when the reality strikes these families, and they are overwhelmed and financially over burdened, it is US, the tax payers who's business it suddenly becomes to PAY for the mess we didn't create in the first place.
Legislation should be created to OUTLAW these unhealthy, immoral and just plain crazy mega-families.
It is OUR business as US Tax payers to voice our opinions, and I encourage you all to shout out your opinion , hot and heavy.
you and i will pay the rest of our lifetimes for the octomom and octoquak doctor's sins.
So, at least we've earned the right to grumpl


debbie   April 14th, 2009 1:19 am ET

come on folks just because you pay taxes doesnt give you the right to judge another you. If so does that mean if I pay more taxes than you do, do I get to be more critical than you, or that what I say carries more weight than what you have to say? This country was built on the ability to go to school on the tax payers dime. Where have all of you been? I truly hope that all of you who judge Ms Suleman so harshly never needs the assistance of our government and you hold onto your jobs for a life time and never require medicaid or medicare when you grow older. I hope that your elderly parents have a bank roll saved up and will not require government assistance when they have to go to the nursing home. Hope you never need to apply for that unemployment check. Hope you never need those food stamps to eat. Hope you are never one of thousands being laid off after years of service to your company. Hope you can find a job right away inspite of the freezes on hiring. Hope that 401k is banking it for you.


Lynette Adams & David Morris   April 14th, 2009 7:40 am ET

The Duggars are "population polluters". There is a world overpopulation crisis, and the height of irresponsibility should not be something that is praised or exploited for fame or financial gain. More than two kids per family stresses the environment, and is one of the main causes of global warming. One day this kind of behavior...uncontrolled spawning...will be condemned, as it well should be. This goes for that other show that exploits their eight kids, too. It's all sick, sick, sick. Please don't have these kinds of people on anymore, unless you are going to ask the hard questions about overpopulation, wonton depletion of resources, and why they don't adopt kids who are already here.


Kate   April 15th, 2009 4:24 am ET

Population polluters ? That's borderline funny. I do agree that the population is polluted. But who is the culprit ? Britney spears sister, got pregnant when she was a teenager – It made Huge headlines. why is that ? If you take a look across the board- at teen pregnancy. I think you would find it is more the norm .. than any headline making news.
Who do you think pays for all those teen pregnancies ? Babies left in dumpsters – hm you hear about that quite a bit, usually from a tween mom. Who pays for that ?
Single parent homes – deadbeat dads – deadbeat moms- who do you think .. ultimately pays for these children ? Whats the divorce rate at now with teen marriages ? Who pays ?

It's funny because many people do not talk about sex with their children – most that is said "I think" is .. DON'T HAVE SEX" 🙂

Can the kids of today – actively go to their parents and say: " Mom, I want to have sex with my boyfriend can you help me find protection so that we do it safely."

No, I do not think a very big percent of kids can do that. If you think your child just wont do it, then I have a bridge to sell you also.

Myself – I point a finger at religion for the problems in the world today.

Our world as we know it – is rapidly taking a nose dive. I personally think we have declined morally and ethically to a point of near devastation. But that hey that's just my personal opinion. Lets watch the world and see what happens in the next twenty years.. I could be wrong. 🙂


Debby   September 27th, 2010 10:24 pm ET

The Duggars are awesome!!
I have followed this show ever since the beginning – I personally was not able to have children – I am married 20 years and was trying to conceive for several years – I misscarried twice and it was devestating – but I accepted eventually that it was not meant to be.
I watch the Duggars and it is so refreshing and inspirational to watch this familly. It looks idyllic family life to some – but I recognize that it is a lot of hard work and dilligent direction from their parents that make them the wonderful family that they are.
They avoid exposing their children to all of the negative and harmful things in this world – which is admirable – it gives the children a chance to experience real and close famiy virtues and shields them from the things in this world that are harmful and that we do not need to be exposed to.
They are truly a giving and genuinely caring family and it always lifts my heart to watch their day to day progress and adventures.
This family prove – ultimately – that the best things in life are free – they appear to enjoy life so much – and prove the point that familly and love are why we are put on this earth – and that the people with material things who believe that they have it all – can be the most unhappiest people on earth.
Everyone should learn a lesson from the Duggars.
They are an example and a pleasure to watch.
God Bless them and there beliefs and achievements in raising a happy well balanced 19 beautiful children.


Debby   September 27th, 2010 10:26 pm ET

ps.
I would love to meet Michelle and Jim Bob
and all of the children too
They are truly an inspiration...........


Debby   September 27th, 2010 10:53 pm ET

From reading through all of these negative comments – Its stands out a mile that there are a lot of dissatisfied – unhappy – resentful – angry people out there – who are missing so many things – that is why they are able to sit there and judge from afar and make these nasty irrational points of view.
wouldn't life be so much more fulfilling and happy and memorable if only half of you could adopt some of the beliefs and views and virtues that having a large loving caring familly is what we were all put on this earth for?
to live a good and simple life is not a bad thing – not something to be ridiculed for – it is a blessing
And how it is supposed to be.from people –
I am sorry for all of you people who have given negative words and comments to the Duggars –
Obviously you have not had the opportunity to experience a good life and are unhappy with what you have got.
You can turn it around you know.............


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