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January 3, 2009

Israeli troops, tanks cross into Gaza; Hamas defiant

Posted: 02:16 PM ET

JERUSALEM (CNN) - Israeli tanks rolled into Gaza on Saturday night as the military launched the second phase of its assault on the Hamas-ruled territory after a week of airstrikes.gazatroops011

"We want to create a situation where the civilian population in southern Israel is no longer on the receiving end of those deadly Hamas rockets. When quiet can be achieved, this operation can be finished," Israeli government spokesman Mark Regev told CNN.

The goal of Operation Cast Lead is to halt what Israeli officials describe as a near-constant barrage of Hamas rockets into the southern part of the country from Gaza.

"We haven't articulated regime change as the goal of this operation. Our goal is to protect our people," Regev said.

Israeli officials say four people have been killed and 59 wounded in Hamas rocket attacks in the past week. Palestinian medical sources said Saturday that at least 460 people have been killed and 2,750 wounded in Gaza.

As night fell on the eighth day of the bloody conflict, both sides remained defiant, vowing to stand their ground and accusing the other of breaking a cease-fire that had been in place until last month.

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Jason   January 3rd, 2009 2:27 pm ET

God is the one in control of the situation in Israel.If it is nit in his will for peace at this time then nothing anyone does,is going to make any difference. Jason N. Carolina


Nisa   January 3rd, 2009 2:50 pm ET

Larry,

When you interviewed Hanan Ashwari, you commenting or questioning about Hamas instigating this war. Well, deep down you comprehended very well of the reason why Hamas took such action and it was not continuous rockets launching like the Israeli did to Gaza. Gaza has suffering too much and was treated unfairly by the Israeli government. What would you do if your family live in Gaza having no access to anything inorder to survive. Besides, you know that Israeli broke the truce first, but you CNN people never report, uncover or portray the ugliness of Israel. Talking Bias, the media and America are the most bias human being on this planet. Civilians like women and children are dying like animals and yet we are sitting here blogging about Israel reaction was defensive. This is beyond sefl defense, how is it fair that 4 death in Israel and 435 death in Gaza? Picture and imagine your kids dying on the street in Gaza and tell me how you feel. They are human, too.


Rachel   January 3rd, 2009 2:51 pm ET

I have a problem with most people, specifically in the Western world, blaming Israel for all the problems in the Middle East. If you or your families were affected by this kind of violence and destruction of your home, family and country then maybe you would feel differently.
Why isn’t the Palestinian government being blamed for not controlling their own people? Why are the Israeli’s being blamed for protecting their people? The Israeli’s should not be blamed for the death of so many people, including innocent civilians, when the Palestinians themselves should be blamed for the Hamas hiding their weapons and their people in public places which hold those innocent people!
Every government controls their population, why isn’t the Palestinian government? The Palestinian government is probably embarassed to admit that they have no control over the Hamas, the people invovled in terrorist acts, and the violence that their people are a part of! Hamas is at fault for the deaths of their own people, and many more, they should be blamed!!!!


Dolly   January 3rd, 2009 2:53 pm ET

We hear of disproportionate in media broadcasts regarding Hamas rockets and Israel's defense.

The fact is that Israel is targeting a 20,00 Hamas troop level in Operation Cast Lead. This Hamas attack force is targeting and has within it's reach of attack 750,000 Israeli citizens.

Facts: For 8 years Israel has been hit by rockets & mortars from Gaza with Israeli citizens having but 15 seconds to get to a bomb shelter once a warning siren has sounded.

Gaza is home to mosques used as weapons, ammunitions & explosive depots that were struck by the IDF during the operation in Gaza.

Fiction: There’s no food in Gaza and people are starving.
News reports, including one produced by TV station France 2 on Dec. 29, showed a Gaza resident in a food store saying:
“Apparently, there is nothing, as you can see. There are no natural products for the kids. There is no milk. There is nothing here.”

Facts: Warehouses in Gaza are filled to capacity, according to international aid groups. In the same France 2 TV clip referenced above, upon closer inspection, shelves filled with food can be seen in the reflection of a refrigerated door in the store.

During a one-day period alone – Dec. 31– Israel facilitated the transport of 29 truckloads of food, including 15 truckloads of flour, into Gaza. Even as Hamas was firing rockets and mortars during Israel during the ceasefire, Israel facilitated the delivery of 2,500 tons (delivered on 93 trucks) of humanitarian aid, medical supplies and medication through the Kerem Shalom cargo terminal.

Fiction: Gaza has no medical and other aid supplies to help the injured. .

Facts: During the first 5 days alone of Operation Cast Lead, Israel has facilitated the delivery of 6,500 tons of aid, 179 truckloads into Gaza at the request of international organizations, the Palestinian Authority and various governments., including basic food commodities, medication, medical supplies and blood units. Another 106 truckloads of humanitarian aid are expected to arrive in Gaza on Jan. 31st. Crossings to Gaza are open for the transfer of humanitarian aid from all international organizations, in full cooperation with the Israeli authorities and without restriction.

Facts: Hamas – in an effort to exploit the suffering of innocent civilians – has refused to allow injured Palestinians to leave Gaza to go to Egypt for treatment.

Facts: Egyptian Foreign Minister Ahmed Abu al-Gheit said earlier this week that Hamas was not allowing wounded Palestinians to cross the border into Egypt for treatment: “We are waiting for the wounded Palestinians to cross. They are not being allowed to cross.” Asked who was to blame, he referred to Gaza by saying, “Ask the party in control on the ground in Gaza.
Fiction: Palestinian journalists are unbiased and show what’s ‘really’ happening in Gaza.

Facts: Some Palestinian journalists are manipulating & exploiting unintended victims of the Israeli strikes. Said one Palestinian journalist, members of the Palestinian media are ‘directing’ civilians to cry and telling them what to say in interviews: "A mother of one of the martyrs stood by the door of the intensive care unit while crying... relatives and those around her were telling her what she should say to the television cameras: 'Say your son (before he died) prayed and went out.' The journalists (in the hospitals) are going overboard in their insensitivity and taking advantage of this sad situation, . One cameraman told a mourning mother: 'Hit your face, cry, do some action

Fiction: Israel has cut off electricity to Gaza.

Facts: Hamas officials have committed deceptions such as pulling dark curtains in mid-day while holding a meeting to make it look as though they were being forced to work by candlelight .

Facts: On Dec. 23, 2008, Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak met with PA President Mahmoud Abbas with both leaders strongly criticizing Hamas & holding them for current violence in Gaza & ongoing suffering of Palestinians living in Gaza .

Facts:Our friend & ally Egypt, has taken on the role of mediator between Israel & the Palestinians as well as between Hamas & Abbas' Fatah faction & has been criticized for coordinating with Israel to close the border between Gaza and Egypt to aid in stopping the spread of terrorism.

Fact: On Dec. 27, Egypt opened the Rafah crossing to receive wounded Palestinians.

Facts: These Hamas forces are being trained & armed by Iran while it continues with 6,000 centrifuges to enrich uranium .

While you are watching the nightly news remember the facts that Iran & it's protégé Hamas are serious threats to US & Israeli security.

Dolly Miller-Brennan


Bill   January 3rd, 2009 2:57 pm ET

I am sick of hearing the gazans complain about their problems. They elected a terrorist organization and they deserve what they get.
If Mexico was shooting rockets in to the U.S., how long would they do it before we bombed the into the stone age.If they want peace, stop shooting rockets.


Chris   January 3rd, 2009 3:00 pm ET

I am getting really tired of hearing the cries of the Palestinians who have harbored Hamas and supported them. It is foolish to disregard the suffering people all over the world who die not just in war!

Iran, Iraq, Russia, Pakistan, Syria, they are guilty in association and we do not realized to massive arsenal of weapons exchanged, and hidden, and the army built by the hand of Osama Bin Laden and his cohorts who plan to plunder the World with martyrdom in the name of Alah!

I think it s absurd to give sympathy to Gaza. They are concerned about civilian casualties? 9-11 were civilian casualties, why would we be merciful to them who support the Jihad efforts of fundamentalist groups who want to kill everyone in the world in the name of Allah! This is not a war on Gaza, this is not a war on Israel this is a War on God! Good and Evil...who will win? I think we underestimated and undermined the bush administration. I think he deserves to be commended for his courage and bravery to be judged in exchange for
humanity.

The only way that there won't be casualties is to evacuate everyone!


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 3:18 pm ET

I cannot believe the world is standing by watching Israel murder thousands of innocent people. The US has always favored beyond belief Israel. It should not negoitiate because the US hs given Israel modern American weapons. Nothing has been given to Palestine. Israel would talk peace and not do things against the agreement (and it has not followed the peace accords also) if the US had not given them weapons. Some nation such as China should stand up and help Palestine. At least give them a chance to protect themselves.What is happening now is as the US attacking a country in Latin America or Africa.
All both sides are doing is promoting more generations of hate which will be felt by the world in the future.


Silas Kpolugbo   January 3rd, 2009 3:29 pm ET

As a Christian, I have a natural empathy for Israel. As a moral being, I ask the question; is a permanent solution possible that stamps the displacement of a people? Remember, Palestinians were not responsible for the pogroms; should they be made to pay for the conscience of Europe? Is it possible that a two-state solution, like the Berlin Wall, is unsaistainable. Is it possible that the Hamas position that Israel must cease to exist is the real solution that polictics refuses to acknowledge, that the only truly permanent solution is one that accepts the truism that Jews and Palestinians are siblings who should not be separarated by geographical lines. Should "Israel" cease to exist to guarantee the Jews the peace they deserve, and the home they need?


Avraham Alkobi   January 3rd, 2009 3:35 pm ET

The hole week i've been hearing the reporters asking "Who started this war?". Me, as a jewish person, don't need reporters that don't want to ackgnowledge the jewish history, because our probelsm have been happening ever since slavery in Egypt. Since then, our problems haven't ceased. What are Hamas' problems? When will this world begin to tell the truth about the problems in Israel. Becasue it is known, and this is a fact, Hamas want to genocide the jewish state, and we don't need judges to say who started the war.


Adam   January 3rd, 2009 3:43 pm ET

It is very disgusted to see these comments supporting Israel action and killing human was ok. You people need to experience what Gaza went thru. I don't care who is at fault, the truth to this matter is people are dying. Why does America has to kiss Israel behind? Because they are controlling us. Thought our government and intelligence is smarter than that. I guess not.


Don Duffy   January 3rd, 2009 3:45 pm ET

Why is it that when ever ISREAL gets attacked ,the arab world(yes this includs ISLAM) gets upset with ISREAL when they fight back? ISREAL didnt start this war.. HAMAS did..I think all arab counrtys dont know how to be human,they just want to kill..CANADA STANDS WITH ISREAL..


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 3:54 pm ET

israel is killing people (women & children) in gaza like roaches using lame excuses as if they (palestine people) only have whiteblood cells or something or they are of no value. muslims opposed all the terrorists who killed innocent people on 911. being a muslim i personally stood up against all those islamic terrorist groups because islam doesn't teach to kill innocent. and than mumbai attacks they were horrible cause muslim terrorists killed innocent people and we all condemned/opposed those terrorists.
whats sad is to see that people backing up killing of innocents including little childrens in gaza and calling it good work or thumbs up. i would understand it if some uncivilized society was backing it but for a commonsense nation like america it is as sad as it gets.
if muslims like me can oppose muslim based terrorists than people should be able to stand up against israel for their human slaughtering only than can we have peace.


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 3:54 pm ET

There are problems world wide and injustice in every nation. Nations with weapons that kill so many donot justify the existence by historical unfairness. The jewish people are not the only people who have suffered in this world and at any time. People have suffered for race, tribal, language, and economic situation. God gives man free will. No war is in His name. People attached God to everything to make themselves right and holier than thou. From living in this world, look how many continue to suffer. It isnot only jewish people past or present. Man brings on his own suffering by not treating others as you want to be treated. Look past one self and see the world. Donot blame God for the situations we find in war.


John   January 3rd, 2009 3:58 pm ET

As an American it make me sick to see American world credential reduced to third world country level. This happen when World super power leader side with one side of confilicts. Good example is supporting Israelis uncoditional.

I don't support Terrorism act by no means, that include include U.S Nuclear armed Israel.
Israelis have right to live so Palastinians.

Peace on earth!


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 4:01 pm ET

israel is making terrorists themselves by killing innocents in gaza. i dont know how are they going to go to their graves thinking that who so ever God is He is going to bless them for killing innocents. screw that god who stands up for killing of innocents in any faith.


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 4:09 pm ET

what is the meaning of uncoditional support for ISRAEL?
is it killing of innocents???
what does killing of innocents mean???
TERRORISM.
that includes muslim terrorist groups who kill innocent and it most certainly does include israel for killing innocents and not only killing them but controlling their every day needs and making them terrorists.


Soleman   January 3rd, 2009 4:09 pm ET

Israel is commiting the same mistakes it did in 2006 in Lebanon. It will come out with the same results, loosing their image as "the only civilized state" in the Middle East. The Palestinan people will always emerge vectorious because they are fighting for their freedom..so Live Free or Die, as the New Hampshire logo says.


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 4:29 pm ET

israel is about to take the role of verminators or exterminators but instead of roaches and mice they will be killing humans. wowww keep it up. i should clap for israel. they are trying to protect their children. hahahah.
sounds funny.
who is protecting who?
give yourselves a big break and give me a break as well.
its like dinasours entering gaza and going to flatten the entire area.
open man slaughter but here its considered an act of bravery and defense.
killing of innocent childrens and people is backed up only by idiots whether it be muslims or any other faith.
i as a proud muslim opposed all the muslim terrorists and stood right next to those who fight against terrorism. i still stand by my opinion. it would be nice if americans can come and stand with me against this act of terrorism done by israel. i oppose my people for doing wrong why cant others stand up against their people. lets be real. and condemn this act of violence.


A. Malik   January 3rd, 2009 4:29 pm ET

Occupation is a crime and Israel is in violation of International laws. For the past 30 year Israel has violated UN resolution 242 and 338. This is a state sponosred terrorism that has killed thousands of innocent Palestinians, occupied their land, created an aparthied regime, committing genocide and holocaust for the Palestinian.


Adam   January 3rd, 2009 4:41 pm ET

Responding to comment of Don Duffy, not neccessarily Muslim who cries out about this attack. People with heart, sanity and humane should voice their opinion. People like you obviously don't fit in this categories. The words are MURDER AND GENOCIDE should use to describe Israel if you are one of their supporter will describe you no difference. Clearly the world has something against Islam religion and Muslim in general, not neccessarily Arabs. Not all Arabs are Muslim and not All Muslim are Arabs. Stop the prejudice, and racist. Educate yourself about Islam, it doesn't condone nor it anywhere promoting terrorism. Every religion has its extremies, why always point finger at Islam, but not other religions in the world when they kill. In this case, Israelies are KILLING, MURDERING human regardless of any reason, it is WRONG. Put your shoes in the Gazan people shoes and here we are in American are discussing and supporting The Israelies of what they did to you, Do you not like it??? If not, stop commenting about what is Israel did is self defense or Gaza deserve it, no one deserve to die, not you, not me, not Gaza.


Cory, NYC   January 3rd, 2009 4:56 pm ET

Its sad to see the media and many people fall right into the hands of Hamas' premediated lies, let me remind you that in Gaza and various other places terrorists purposely hide behind innocent civilians because they know a counrty abiding by the regulations set by the Geneva convention will subsequently find it harder to fire at them. So when people talk about genocide and human rights they need to remember that the Palestinian people are being put in danger by the very people they elected.


Eddy   January 3rd, 2009 5:01 pm ET

Good evening,

It is about time to find a solution to End Hamas Power, hopping this would be a lesson \ new chapter for Hizbullah and the countries that support them “Syria & Iran”.

But if Israel attack solution fails, then what would stop the growth of the Iranina Power Madness?

Hope things wont end up like 2006 Lebanon experience.

Eddy


John   January 3rd, 2009 5:11 pm ET

Yall, Israel supporter are making me sick. You all are murderer. Instead of promoting peace, you are justiying the action of Israel's attack. Their action was wrong, injustice, and inhumane. If you consider yourself a human than you should pray that this war stop, to avoid anymore bloodshed. If you continue your support to Israel, you are no better than an animal. How could you sleep at night knowing hundreds of people are dying. The true terrorists are Israel, protagonist of Israel, and George Bush.


Soleman   January 3rd, 2009 5:11 pm ET

To Corry & Eddie:

Hamas was elected by the People of Palestine under the supervision of the European & USA officials. While I might not agree with them, but they are the elected representative of Palestine. Also, they are fighting for a legitimate cause, the Freedom of palestine. Even this country fought the British for their freedom & so did occupied people worldwide. And, things will end up like 2006 Lebanon experience. Israel has to kill more than 6 million palestinians to end the problem of palestine....and this will never happens.


Mike Drozinski   January 3rd, 2009 5:15 pm ET

Larry,
We should be aware that Israel has been occupying Palestinian land since 1967. They've been trying to negotiate peacefully since then.I met a Palestinian gentleman who told me that they believe that they should resist the occupation and if they don't then they don't deserve to live. I thought about his words and realized that if I were in his shoes I would so the same thing or I wouldn't be able to call myself an American.


Rachel   January 3rd, 2009 5:16 pm ET

Bilal Texas:
I think that you should think twice about what you are saying...Israel is defending itself from the Palestinians, why do you think that they are the only ones dying now and have died???? I am not sure if you are educated on this topic, and if you aren't you should read about how many Israeli's have died at the hands of Arabs/Palestinians...what is right in that?


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 5:20 pm ET

Nisa did i read your post correctly? have you not heard on all news chanells about gaza lobbing missles at Israeli over and over? did you think Israeli should just shrug that off? if you look at the evedance i would say that gaza kind of asked for this war, its a shame any country would allow terrorist to live amoung and hide with civilans, this is what causes women and children to die, the terrorist are cowards, if a terrorist tried to live next door to me i would burn them out no questions asked!! maybe the Gaza people should run the terrorist out to the border for the Isralie troops to fight you know out away from the people who dont have nothing to do with it!


Cory, NYC   January 3rd, 2009 5:28 pm ET

Soleman,
you have to be kidding me. Firstly "Palestine" doesn't exist it is not a counrty. Secondly the Palestinian people were offered peace too many times since 1947, if you don't recall the British mandate was partitioned for TWO countries Palestine and Israel, of course The Palestinians however couldn't bear existing with a neighboring Jewsih state and therefore in 1948 along with every other nieghboring Arab country, attacked Israel. SInce they lost there have been functional peace agreements with Egypt, Syria, and Jordan, apparently the Palestinian ideology hasn't changed and unlike thier nieghbors who seek peaceful terms all they seek is a Muslim coup of the Middle East and eventually the world.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 5:29 pm ET

When all reply about Israeli going in Gaza, people remember 9/11, new york lost many who were not in ANY type of armed services, we Americans have killed many who are not in armed services aswell ,how can we condem Israeli for defending there people when there war is just next door when we travel half way around the globe to defend America? its not our call in the Israeli and Gaza war, Gaza made the call by constant acts of terrorist against Israeli.


Eddy   January 3rd, 2009 5:29 pm ET

Soleman,

People did elect someone who was fighting the Israel action in the past “Hamas”, and most probably they will be elected again. We both know people don’t easily forget the blood being shed on the streets. But please answer the following questions:
“What are Hamas and Hizbullah role and goals in the middle east?”,
“Do you know anything about WILAYAT I’LL FAKIH project that is being implemented by Iran?”
“Do you think peace will be done with attacks from both sides?”
After answering the above questions, you figure out, if the Elimination of Hamas is necessary or not. If it comes to me, I would directly hit the source of the problem “IRAN”, but unfortunately or fortunately it is not.

Eddy


Soleman   January 3rd, 2009 5:34 pm ET

Cory
No, I am not kidding you. And, by the way, I am a citizen of Israel & my town, Beer-Sheva, has been hit by Hammas missiles. Israel never existed until 1948 & it was installed on Palestine which was under the British mandate. Also, Israel never tried to make peace. It wants it under its own conditions. it MUST return to the 1967 border 100% to really show that it is interested on peace. I live there and I know everything from first hand. People have the right to fight their occupier with what ever they have to achieve their freedom. STOP your Israeli propaganda.


Soleman   January 3rd, 2009 5:41 pm ET

Eddy,

Hammas is part of the Palestinian people, whether we like it or not. Israel, on the other hand, is killing children, women, & old people. So far mor than 200 innocent people are killed by the US made weapons, not to mention the injured, who have nothing to do with Hammas. And, do not tell me that Hamms is using them as a Human shield. Anywhere you shoot in Gaza you will likely kill innocent people. So, is this a just war or is not it an organized terrorist acts by legal military.


Cory, NYC   January 3rd, 2009 5:44 pm ET

Soleman.
Don't go personal on me im also an Israeli citizen from Haifa and i also have first hand expirience, but it doesn't make me better than anyone else arguing over this crisis. How can you expect a country to make peace on the terms of its enemy, every country would deem that ridiculous. My point is that Israel has always wanted peace, and you know what only a few years ago they gave away land to you guys, if you don't call that a peace attempt than i don't know whats wrong with you. I guess by your definition peace means destroying your enemy completely until you have control of everything.


Riham   January 3rd, 2009 5:44 pm ET

Shame on you, Israel!!!!!!
They're relentless in reminding us of what happened to the Jews during the Holocaust decades ago, yet they don't hesitate to inflict the same tragedy upon our people and our whole region repeatedly and until this present day.
If this is not double standards, then what is??


Soleman   January 3rd, 2009 5:54 pm ET

Cory, Shalom,
I am not getting on you. But, we, as Israelis, were offered many opportunities for real peace with every country including Syria in exchange for full withdraw from the West Bank, Gaza, & the Golan but we never accepted these offers. Israelis must stand with those who calling for peace like thos 10,000 Israelis who demonstarted tonight in Tel-Aviv. When that happens, everyone will support Israel & Palestine. So, End THE OCCUPATION for real Peace so both people can live side by side in dignity & justice.


Cory, NYC   January 3rd, 2009 6:03 pm ET

soleman.,
Theoritecally if that was to happen Israel would be obliterated. It would lose all of its strategic defensive positions. With countries such as Iran who publicly advocate wiping Israel off the map, and numerous terrorist organizations who seek the same constantly instigating conflict we could all kiss our butts goodbye. Like i said before, Israel exemplified tremendous peace efforts with the hitnatkut, we've given the Palestinians a chance at peace through the form of land, something that seems to be of your preference. Clearly it hasn't worked solely because the Palestinians aren't looking for peace, all they crave is the destruction of Israel.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 6:05 pm ET

Riham, you say Shame on you, Israel!!!!!! ? wow why not Shame on Gaza? cause there getting thear rears kicked? sorry but i say GO-GO -GO-GO Israel even if its to the last man standing.


Jan   January 3rd, 2009 6:06 pm ET

What about all the Jewish refugess that were kicked out of Jordon, Syria, Iraq, etc. All those Arab Jews who had no peace for centuries and no place to go before Israel was a State? Riham, you make it sound like Palestinians were the only people who were refugees?
Why aren't Arab countries helping Palestinians to live peacefully with Israel – plant crops, educate life instead of hate, agree to a 2 State solution?

ou think it is all about the holocaust? It is about centuries of murder by every peoples of the world to kill Jews. All they want is a small piece of land to be left alone. You make it sound like the land is only Palestinians, that Jews only came after the holocaust. The truth is that Jews have been living on that land and all the land in the Middle East for centuries so it is not just the land of Palestinian Arabs. Why can't your people agree to a 2 State solution? All the people of Israel would die before trusted the world to save them. Maybe that's what you want.


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 6:08 pm ET

Rachel.
greetings to you.
i got your message a bit late. i was busy. but i am well educated on this issue. i condemn any blood shed from any faith including from peopple of my own faith.
but my point was when muslims terrorists (who i condemn/oppose) when they kill innocent it becomes the hottest issue. people like me stand side by side with people like you RACHEL to condemn/oppose those attacks like on 911 and in mumbai.
What I DONT GET is what happens when people from other faiths do man slaaughter and people like you RACHEL call it justice.
i am not saying that hammas acts are right but you are not saying that israel is wrong.
ITS A SHAME.


Eddy   January 3rd, 2009 6:11 pm ET

Soleman,

To using your philosophy, Mexico should take back Arizona?!?
Or much better, lets go back more in history, and let the whole Middle East be under either the Ottoman Empire or KSA…

Hamas and Hezbollah are using the same tactics. They don’t care how many are dead. They think those who are dying are dying for a GODLY cause. This cause is to create “THE RIGHTEOUS GODLY GOVERNMENT”

If both organization “Hamas and Hezbollah” care about the people, they wouldn’t have turned their weapons on their fellow citizens and family. Hamas against Fatih, in Gaza strip; and Hezbollah against the Lebanese citizens.

You both Palestinians and Israelis exist on the same land, the solution is either
1- Learn to live together.
2- Keep fighting till you learn how to live together.

Throwing accusations left and right, who is shooting who will never make you guys reach a solution.

It is your life, and you choose how to live it.

People deserve to live a life not fearing of what will happen tomorrow.


Soleman   January 3rd, 2009 6:11 pm ET

Cory,
Correction, Israel does not give. Israel must return the land to its original people. Second, when there is Peace, why we should worry about Iran or any groups. Real Peace & Justice for Palestinians are what needed.


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 6:17 pm ET

As a proud muslim i oppose act of violence by all faiths whether it be muslims or other faith based organizations.
if i stand by terrorist muslim groups i am as much of a terrorist as those groups are. but i don't. i condemn their attacks.
people who support israels open man slaughtering are as much terrorists as israel is being in this man slaughter of shameful propotion.
they are killing innocent childrens knowingly. i can't stand that. no body should. i have been watching israel officials saying that they know about the casualitties and man slaughering of innocent people.
THIS IS A BIG SHAME.
IF MUSLIMS LIKE ME CAN OPPOSE MUSLIM BASED TERRORISTS THAN JEWS SHOULD BE ABLE TO OPPOSE THIS ACT OF GREAT VIOLENCE WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR INNOCENT HUMANS GETTING KILLED.


Sara Shenas   January 3rd, 2009 6:19 pm ET

Israel has a right to defend itself. It has been a victim of terror for more than sixty years. During the past three years, Kassam rockets have hit neighbors around the Gaza strip including Sderot and Ashkelon and nothing was reported about it anywhere except for the Jerusalem Post. It is very one-sided of journalists to only report this crisis only when Israel has been defending itself and not when it has been a victim of terror. It is very sad that they are reporting so many young kids dying when most of their families have been selling their children for money from suicide bombings which has also not been reported anywhere but Youtube is full of these videos.


Cory, NYC   January 3rd, 2009 6:20 pm ET

Soleman,
theres no arguing with you anymore, you're clearly thinking to ideally and are not understanding the Arab world's true intention. I wish there could be peace too, i supported the Hitnatkut because like you i was too idealistic, but i got a taste of reality when i realized that we gave Hamas more insentive by doing so.
I stand behind what i said before, when someone wants to destroy you, peace cannot be achieved. We have to put those brainwashed radical terrorists in their place until they realize that peace is their only option.


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 6:29 pm ET

sara shehnaz you are not helping stop this man slaughter.
your comments are saying that it is ok to kill innocent children. do yourself a favour and quit watching youtube videos. and stand side by side with me to oppose killings of innocents by muslims,jews and christians alike. i stand against people of my faith who are terrorists you should be able to stand against killings done by people from your faith. its me and you who can stop this.


Adela Palenzuela   January 3rd, 2009 6:29 pm ET

I pray for the poor people of Palestine, who once again are
being abuse by Israel.

adela palenzuela
miami, fl33125


Adela Palenzuela   January 3rd, 2009 6:30 pm ET

I pray for the poor people of Palestine, who once again are
being abuse by Israel.

adela palenzuela
miami, fl33125


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 6:33 pm ET

bilal TEXAS, but you agree it was ok for Gaza to lobb missles at Israel while they sleep? what did the Israelis people do to deserve that act by Gaza? as a muslim you can not agree with Gaza can you?you claim the JEWS SHOULD BE ABLE TO OPPOSE THIS ACT OF GREAT VIOLENCE WHICH IS RESPONSIBLE FOR INNOCENT HUMANS GETTING KILLED. wow really now isnt this what Gaza was doing to the Israelis as they sleep at night you know lobbing missles at there city, them city"s had women and children liveing in them!!! hey Gaza is getting what they asked for. little countries want to play with fire works and when they get burned they want to cry whaaa whaaa make it stop, well i think its a bit late now to stop anything, remember the Jew"s are God"S chosen people, i wouldnt mess with them my self, less ye can whip God!! aint gunna happen, Gaza is a gone.


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 6:39 pm ET

VINCE CALM DOWN MAN.
i never said i agreed to gaza for their violent acts.
Do me a favour and read my comments again and see for your self that i do not agree with gaza or muslims in general for their killings when they do.
IF YOU DIDNT HEAR ME BEFORE HEAR ME OUT NOW:

i CONDEMN/OPPOSE PEOPLE FROM ALL FAITHS (MUSLIMS,JEWS OR CHRISTIANS ETC) WHEN THEY DO MAN SLAUGHTERING.

IF YOUR CANT READ WELL THAN MAY BE HAVE SOMBODY READ YOU MY COMMENTS.


Rachel   January 3rd, 2009 6:57 pm ET

Bilal Texas:
I don't agree with killing any human being, but I agree with protecting a country and a population.
Israel made peace with Egypt and Jordan, the relationship is stable, and people come and go across the border all the time.
However, when there was a cease fire, was all quiet in Israel or did the suicide bombings and the rockets continue? Israel is defending their population and their people from these attacks.
A peaceful border is almost guaranteed if Hamas stops their aggression, but who can guarantee that Hamas will stop this aggression? Israel has made it clear that they want peace, all day on CNN they have been saying that they don't want to harm civilians, and the Hamas has been saying that Gaza will be a cemetery for the Israeli Defense Forces....isn't that a shame?
Another question: Why are Israeli soldiers identified in uniform and the Hamas militants dressed as civilians, then they blame the Israeli's for killing civilians when that is exactly the Hamas' purpose, to blend in. What is okay in that? They are setting up their own people.
Does the Koran say that it is okay to blow people up? Is it okay to use a Mosque as a place to hide weapons and for killings to be a part of a place of worship? I have a degree in religious studies, and I didn't learn violence and killing in any religion.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 6:58 pm ET

bilal TEXAS ohhh my your gunna blow a gasket pal calm down, i only condemn the Gaza people for there act, i personaly back 100% what the Israeli goverment is doing, maybe Gaza would be better off to stop fighting and tell the Israeli goverment how sorry they are and live a peacefull life if not they should be ready to fight to the end of there race, i dont think the Israeli goverment is worried what the rest of the world thinks at this point in time.


Avraham Alkobi   January 3rd, 2009 7:02 pm ET

As a person that grew up in an arab country in a jewishsh comunity, i don't have any hate towards the arabs since i grew up with them in peace, and i still have a good memory of how i grew up with them, and i would really want that a big portion of the arab world, to know that i have no hate towards them, and i do not wat any misfortune to happen to them. But if they really want to speak the truth, i would want the Plestanian and the arabs to help us solve this problem of the HAMAS, because they are the devil of the area. HAMAS has no sense of value towards humans.


vanny   January 3rd, 2009 7:09 pm ET

what is happening in gaza is horrible !!! , a lot of innocent people is dying.
i am wondering , how many children must die for some country or somebody stops this aggression ? the Palestinians are the victims in this history.

pd:plase TED TURNER , allows to the CNN to discloses , to show the origin of the problem, between Israel and Palestine.
the truth prevails !!!


Ralph   January 3rd, 2009 7:15 pm ET

Shame on Israelis, they bomb the people, some innocent people.
Entire world stand behind the peace- except the Jewish community. They said that they were attacked first by Hamas. Comon' How many israelis have died??? Was that the reason to KILL over 400 Palestinian people??? Now it looks like a Palestinian holocaust done by israel people. the families of those 400 or so people tat have been killed what would they say?? they wil hate israelis Forever. they will revenge for their lost. And then that war will go on and on.\
I'm sorry for those who died, my sympathy with them.
Peace on EARTH......


Andrew Hunter   January 3rd, 2009 7:25 pm ET

Hello, I am wondering the day that the world stops becoming a who is a good guy and who is the bad guy? This hipocrisy of the American culture is so over whelmed by gread and controll that it is no wonder why MOST countries really despise America! I am wondering the day when one or more countries stand up to the so called great America and sy "NO More!" We have a lot of intrests all over the world when our own country will probable not over come the Massive depression that will consume here in this year 2009. So maybe one day in stead of worring so much about a country like Isreal we need to be MUCH more concerned about America. I think that maybe Russia should get involved with the palastines and send massive military support there to help the inosence people that suffer from Isrealie agression. That would be a real good thing for the palastines from the terrible things that they will encounter from the Isrealies. That way ALL the American meaning in the middle east would suddenly disolve. There would be a open playing ground, Isreal would think twice about walking into a area that basicly was robbed years ago and most people were minding there own business any way! If America had ANY class they would help the real people we will see real soon what a joke are new president will really be also. I hope that the palastines recieve some support from someone soon. Maybe the Iranian dictator might grab his balls and do what he always says, but for now he talks a lot and is a complete coward! I love your show....


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 7:28 pm ET

Vince i can almost bet you are getting pleasure out of this act of violence. your comments are saying so. you don't have to respond to me any more keep your comments to yourself.
RACHEL you brought KORAN in this issue and i am glad that you got good understanding about relegions.
just to add Allah says: You kill one innocent people it is as if you killed the entire humanity. and yourplace is in hell.
so all those terrorists from muslim based organizations are automatically getting out of the circle of ISLAM when they kill innocent.
AND I STAND AGAINST THEM.
in no manner should an innocent suffer.
and yes that include even if they cannot be differentiated because of not having uniforms for militants.
NO BODY HAS THE RIGHT TO KILL INNOCENT TO PROTECT THEMSELVES.
israel is not protecting itself. Israel is clearing its passage using lame excuses.
they have killed over 400 people in GAZA including children.
IT IS A SHAME.
WE SHOULD ALL STAND ON A COMMON GROUND BECAUSE INNOCENT AND HELPLESS PEOPLE DESERVE OUR HELP.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 7:37 pm ET

bilal TEXAS nope i get no pleasure of war for any reason, but i dont condemn one race for defending there rights to live in peace even if it has to be enforced with force!! for you to say all are wrong is being bias, only the Gaza people are wrong in this war! they did indeed start it. if we live by your veiws then we the American people are wrong for going after the cowards that hit New York on 9/11, i say Gaza is getting what Gaza asked for!


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 7:41 pm ET

bilal TEXAS i ask you this question, what were all those missles Gaza fired into Israeli citys? were the Gaza people just saying HAPPY NEW YEAR? are you from Gaza be chance? it sure sounds like you are by your posts!


N. Banik   January 3rd, 2009 7:44 pm ET

I feel sorry for the news media for not taking the time to explain why Hamas started firing rockets into Israel. Let us be fair to both sides of the conflict.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 7:47 pm ET

bilal TEXAS in your own words INNOCENT AND HELPLESS PEOPLE DESERVE OUR HELP. i agree we need to help Israel in any way we can assist if asked.


dominique   January 3rd, 2009 7:47 pm ET

Since Israel cannot distinguish between regular palestinians and Hamas (who lets remember have been ELECTED), they should probably Nuc Gaza and get rid of all gazans?
Humane way to solve the pb, quick and easy...
Saying it again, though will probably be censored by the moderator, I am jewish and I am ashamed....


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 7:47 pm ET

the problem in the Mid East is the US government, that established its proxy Israel to keep the region in an Arms race. This is an indirect attack at Iran, which the US failed to subdue directly after the revolution of 1979, and for 8 years when it supplied Saddam Hussein with Chemical and Biological weapons to throw at the Iranians, those same weapons are the main argument that the Bush admn used to occupy Iraq now.

The US gvnt preaches only that which it never practice:
– Democracy, while it attacks and boycotts the only democratically elected people in the Mid-East (Hamas, Ahmadinejad, Hizbollah) all came to power thru ballots.
– Non proliferation: US and ISrael combined own more that half Nules worldwide and the US is the only one that ever used them, not once but twice.

Khaled Mashaal was right yesterday, enough of the double standards. from the west.


dominique   January 3rd, 2009 7:49 pm ET

Fighting with F16, missiles, super tech army against rocks and hand made rockets....
Who are we kidding?


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 7:52 pm ET

Ralph you know what? they wont hate israelis Forever, there not going to be here forever if they dont leve the Jews alone! Gaza is a part of the past in the makeing as we speak!


Neil   January 3rd, 2009 7:52 pm ET

Bottom line is this:

We have Isreal occupying lands that don't belong to them.

The rest of the Arab world does not want them there even though some governments say they back a two state solution i.e Egypt and Jordan but the people do not want them there under the currrent circumstances. The country of Isreal was forced upon the rest of the Arab nations in the region. As a consequence we have the situation that we do. I don't understand how anyone can defend them. Isreal is the offending nation and should be condemned completely by the International Community but everyone just stands by and does nothing. It would do them well to remember what happened to them back in the Second World War as they are now acting and treating the Palestinians as they were treated by the Nazi's in Hitlers Germany.

Why does America completely and uncondittionally support Isreal? I thought they were supposed to be mediating peace between the Palestinians and Isreal. How can they mediate peace when they are openly on the side of the Isreali's? Its just ridiculously unworkable.

Why does America give them armaments and money unconditionally This is encouraging the wrong behaviour.

Think about this:

How would America like it if they took a portion of land, lets say Texas (or any other State) and gave it to the Jews (or any other foreign entitiy)against the will of the people living there and then they kept on just expanding the boundaries say into Louisiana and Oklahoma and then they started building walls around that land that they had stolen. How would the American people feel about that? Would America let this happen? No, there would be all out war. The Palestinians are acting as anyone else would do under the same circumstances but people choose to call them out as terrorists when really all they are doing is defending the very land that has been taken away from them.

At the very least to obtain a solution to this never ending problem, Isreal needs to go back to the borders as agreed initially (1947, I believe) and stay there.This should be backed up with International troops, maybe from the UN to keep Isreal in check.


dominique   January 3rd, 2009 7:54 pm ET

You are right Vince, should Nuc them,,,
Let s be the new Nazis!!


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 7:56 pm ET

dominique are you telling us the Gaza people only threw rocks at the Israeli civilian population ? if so boy that was stupid when the Israeli goverment has tanks and F16"s i think it were more than rocks they were chunkin at them.


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 7:57 pm ET

Vince in Georgia.

Israel does have the right to exist in Georgia, not on Palestine's land.

It's the Christian west that prosecuted the Israelites for the last 2k years to make them into such thugs and the west should compensate with it's land, Maybe Monco, Germany or Arizona.

That's what Jesus would have done.


dominique   January 3rd, 2009 7:59 pm ET

no Vince they have rockets, had made ones... with no explosives....
Still pretty rudimentary...


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 7:59 pm ET

dominique you say i would nuke them in a jest , BUT I WOULD IF I WERE IN CONTROLL!! after the first rock you claim they threw hit my window i would hit the nuke button!! like God said !! kill ur enemy even unto the last man woman and child!


hugh ~ california   January 3rd, 2009 7:59 pm ET

@bilal TEXAS,
YOU need to chill out–you are a fence-walker! I would not want you as a friend, only as an enemy would it be to my advantage.


dominique   January 3rd, 2009 8:01 pm ET

All in all, I am sure my grand ma who went to a concentration camp, will be turning in her grave hearing what her people are doing...
Again, Jewish and shamed to be


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 8:02 pm ET

VINCE i am not from GAZA.
and you made it clear that you don't get pleasure out of war so i aint making any more comments on pleasure thing.
i just don't like killing period.
in comparison gaza is nothing compare to israel.
Israel might as well call gaza as ISRAEL as well and move all the people of gaza to may be egypt or somewhere else instead of killing them peace by peace.
israel control ALMOST every thing in gaza including the basic needs of every day life including hospitals. women are giving birth on the borders because they won't let them pass to go to the hospital. and i can GO ON AND ON....
and i know THAT YOU CAN GO ON AND ON AS WELL..
why can't USA help innocents in GAZA?
why can't they put up schools and hospitals in gaza?
why can't USA bring in industries in GAZA?
why can't they help people in gaza with their every day lives?
i tell you what Israel will not let USA to do so.


dominique   January 3rd, 2009 8:04 pm ET

Great Vince, you should run for office in Israel, you might have good chances...
And you have a God...? Pretty sure we don t have the same one...


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 8:04 pm ET

Fouad i think they nailed jesus to a cross,however i wasnt there so i dont really know but i did see on cnn what Gaza did,they asked for it and now its on them, jesus aint gunna be so nice when he returns here i assure you, i think hes peed at this world!


Karl Aird   January 3rd, 2009 8:06 pm ET

There will never be peace in the middle east. The founders blundered badly when the state of Isreal was born. Unless Isreal and its neighbours can go back to the drawing board we must find bandaids large enought to cover the ever increasing problem. If the US or any other well thinking nation can take the process 60 years back , they can only continue to put bandaids on the problem.


Khalid   January 3rd, 2009 8:06 pm ET

What kind of peace did U.S achieve in Afghanistan and Iraq? What did Israel achieve after entering Lebanon? Are Israeli's simply hoodwinking their people to win the upcoming Elections ?


hugh ~ california   January 3rd, 2009 8:06 pm ET

Real soldiers do not hide and sleep with their wifes and children hoping it will protect them, they leave their family behind protected when they fight as men and women in a legitimate military army. The Hamas terrorists are cowards who hide at home, and then these same fanatics cry about the death of the innocent, when it was them who made it possible because they would not assemble like true honorable soldiers. They put their women and children in harm's way and if they get killed they use their deaths for their sick propaganda.

I would not hide behind my family for protection; Hamas are cowards who convince fools into thinking they are the innocent victims. Those in the anti-Israeli crowd, you are blinded by your own false modesty. Your let your emotions turn yourselves into so-called peacemakers. Those of you who think all killing is wrong, what would you do if terrorists were trying to kill your family–nothing–just let them die?


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 8:07 pm ET

hugh california killing of innocent is wrong period.
you like it or not i condemn it. its people like you who don't want peace.


dominique   January 3rd, 2009 8:07 pm ET

Hugh, Gaza is not allowed to have an army, and i they did, they would have no arms... what o you want them to do, get out and through rocks at chars and F16?


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 8:09 pm ET

dominique there aint BUT 1 yeah we got the same God to rein over us! and rein he will!! at least i support the jewesh peoples rights to live in peace with out fears of missle or rocket attacke hitting them while they sleep at night! tell me this, how can you ask to live in peace while you beat your neighbor with a hammer in his sleep? aint a very peacefull way to ask for peace i would think!.


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 8:09 pm ET

vince.

Hypothesis: The US-Israel project in the Mid East did not work out, the US govnmt decided to have israel and all its population move to Georgia, you will have to move to the Alabama border to free space. How does that feel?

That's the story of Palestine in American English.


Neil   January 3rd, 2009 8:10 pm ET

Hugh

Real cowards sit in tanks and drop bombs from 40,000 feet

You tell me who the real cowards are.


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 8:12 pm ET

atleast israel has bomb shelters.
what do people in gaza have? like dominique said go out and throw rocks at F-16s.


dominique   January 3rd, 2009 8:14 pm ET

I am not saying they are angels, but tehy are occupied, and under siege...on their land (well define that as you want, land where they were borns, as their parents and their grandparents...)
No medical supplies allowed, no economy allowed to survived...
How do you want to sleep in peace when you have your heels on your kidnapped landlords throat....


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 8:14 pm ET

bilal TEXAS hahahah man you make me laugh, USA cant even get the homeless off the streets here!! to heack with Gaza, look when you shoot rockets at a nation do you think the rest of the worlld should say ok and help you when that nation gets peed and kicks ur rear? lol i think you honestly think so, man if i lived in Gaza i would have packed my bags and family up had hauled butt when Gaza fired the first rocket!!


hugh ~ california   January 3rd, 2009 8:15 pm ET

Bilal TEXAS,
You are full of yourself. You claim you want peace but you do not condemn Hamas terrorism with their Russian made rockets. You speak like a true coward. Hamas would enjoy shooting you down like a dog.
@dominque,
Right they're not allowed an army, like their bombs and rockets are made for peace.


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 8:16 pm ET

man to man
face to face
one on one
there is no equality in this fight.
people in gaza are geting killed by irael like roaches. just crush them under their tanks and airforce power.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 8:18 pm ET

Fouad hey what ever works for peace my friend!! i love alabama too.


shannon   January 3rd, 2009 8:22 pm ET

I have been a faithful fan of CNN for a long time now but today I asked myself if I should continue watching CNN or not. CNN obviously, is a biased news network. Like Nisa said, "CNN people never report, uncover or portray the ugliness of Israel" which is why people like Rachel in this thread, are so ignorant about what is actually happening to the world today because all they do is watch CNN all day and take in whatever the CNN people are saying on TV.

People like Rachel who claimed that Israel is merely defending itself are indirectly telling the world that they are one damn stupid group of people that don't have common sense (refuse to see what is actually the truth and what is not).

People like Rachel argued about religion in news site like here when obviously this is not about religion, this is about POLITICAL GREED. Israel will never rest in peace till they gain 100% full control over Palestine. They are the ones who wants to conquer the world and they are doing it through America. They received the support from America which is why the extremists in the muslim world hate America to the core and you know what? They are probably planning their next attack on America right now as their watching all these news on TV and reading your comments in here.

Use your common sense, people! For as long as the President of America is supporting Israel blindly like what it is today, the extremists (what you call terrorists today) are not going to stop attacking America.

This is so common sense, people. Tell the President to stop supporting Israel and mind your own country first, then you can bet that the extremist won't do another attach on America. But of course, America wont make a lot of money for not being able to sell weapons to Israel but America will be blessed with so many things that will contribute to the economy of the country and maybe, get more richer. America did not need to get rich from selling weapons to Israel. America needs to learn how to capitalize on its human resources instead. Create jobs and bring back the buying power and confidence among the Americans.

I don't believe President-Elect Obama is like Bush but he is probably stucked right now at the fact that Israel is a major financial contributor to the American economy (they buy our weapons, remember?) so he may be afraid to go against the Israel. The thing is, he doesn't need to support anyone. He should support peace. He should tell Israel to pull out and leave Palestine alone. He should also tell Hamas leader that he already initiate that with Israel and see if Hamas stops their attack against Israel. And if Hamas did not stop, then yeah fight. However, this is just one's wishful thinking. If only things could be settled like that then there is no war but when there is no war, how to make money right? So use your common sense people. If you ask me, whoever attacks the innocent is a terrorist and who ever supports the attack is a terrorist too. So think about it. The world is saying that Americans are terrorists right now, not just Israel. But people like Rachel are too blind to see all these. Surf the net, sister... read, read, read.... don't watch CNN all day.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 8:23 pm ET

bilal TEXAS your post man to man
face to face
one on one
there is no equality in this fight.
then if the people of Gaza knows this WHY did they fire rockets and missles at the civilian population in southern Israel ? to tell them HAPPY NEW YEAR IN ADVANCE? well there being told HAPPY NEW YEAR BACK!. ,,!,


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 8:23 pm ET

The US economy struggles while Billions of US tax payers dollars pour into Israeli coffers, they are due at the begining of each calender year, so most likely are due for payment next week. While people are losing their jobs and homes at the home front, here are some facts about this budget hole going to a friend that did nothing but spied repeatedly and dragged us our nation into the dirt.

First, since 1982, U.S. aid to Israel has been transferred in one lump sum at the beginning of each fiscal year, which immediately begins to collect interest in U.S. banks. Aid that goes to other countries is disbursed throughout the year in quarterly installments.

Second, Israel is not required to account for specific purchases. Most countries receive aid for very specific purposes and must account for how it is spent. Israel is allowed to place US aid into its general fund, effectively eliminating any distinctions between types of aid. Therefore, U.S. tax-payers are helping to fund an illegal occupation, the expansion of colonial-settlement projects, and gross human rights violations against the Palestinian civilian population.

A third difference is the sheer amount of aid the U.S. gives to Israel, unparalleled in the history of U.S. foreign policy. Israel usually receives roughly one third of the entire foreign aid budget, despite the fact that Israel comprises less than .001 of the worldÿs population and already has one of the world's higher per capita incomes. In other words, Israel, a country of approximately 6 million people, is currently receiving more U.S. aid than all of Africa, Latin America and the Caribbean combined when you take out Egypt and Colombia.


dominique   January 3rd, 2009 8:23 pm ET

Hugh,
They might be made to try to get out of occupation and oppression...
But as Vince said... should Nuc Gaza next time they throw a rock...


dominique   January 3rd, 2009 8:25 pm ET

Vince,

I am not saying they are angels, but tehy are occupied, and under siege…on their land (well define that as you want, land where they were borns, as their parents and their grandparents…)
No medical supplies allowed, no economy allowed to survived…
How do you want to sleep in peace when you have your heels on your kidnapped landlords throat….


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 8:25 pm ET

hugh california and vince georgia its easy to take side of the powerful.
corner the weak one and than starve them and when they struggle to get out of that corner bomb them with f16s and tanks and use chicken shots of hamas as a reason that barely tickle israel.
the comparison is funny and sad between hamas and israel.
ISRAEL is the giant and gaza is nothing.


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 8:26 pm ET

that aid amout is $6 billion a year, 60% of it in military aid, recognize hell missiles and F16s shredding palestinians.? how can America be a fair peace broker?


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 8:31 pm ET

dominique i dont think Gaza will be able to hit them F16S with rocks, they would be better off to dig a deep hole and crawl in, you know its like this, you cant live in filth and not get filthy your self!! when you live in a nation that lives by promoting terrorism you are indeed a terrorist. Gaza is a terrorist nation!.


hugh ~ california   January 3rd, 2009 8:33 pm ET

@Neil,
I'll tell you who the real cowards are, they march down the streets by the thousands armed with AK-47's and rags or masks over their faces so no one will know who they are, then they shoot deadly rockets at civilians or bomb innocent people at marketplaces with a radio device.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 8:35 pm ET

Fouad thers nothing fair or loving in any war! this is why ALL NATIONS SHOULD ASK FOR WORLD PEACE AT ANY COST, THE REAL ONES WHO SUFFER ARE ALWAYS THE CHILDREN!! tell all the adults in all the lands of this planet to STOP!! and mean it.


dominique   January 3rd, 2009 8:36 pm ET

Sure, and Israel, are the angels, they just came there, too land that did not belong to anyone, created a new country.. and the bad arabs were so jealous, they decided to claim that land and imported people from many different places to pretend they lived there and of course terrorize Israel....
Such evil people... why do they bother Israel...we don t know... they are terrorist and they are ugly too, lets just put them in a piece of land, and starve them, we ll see what happens..then once they are angry and start to fight for themself, lets just bomb them, maybe we can try a few nucs on them would be fun.... Anyway they are just filthy creatures....


hugh ~ california   January 3rd, 2009 8:42 pm ET

@bilal TEXAS,
You make a weak argument; just because you have bigger or better guns does not make you wrong, or right. Maybe you should go to Israel and see innocent people blown apart by a road-side bomb. Oh, I'm sorry, you're right–it's OK to kill people that way. Wake up idiot! Are you in love with terrorists? Then go live with them.


shannon   January 3rd, 2009 8:43 pm ET

thanks Fouad, my guess is right then 🙂


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 8:44 pm ET

Dominique.

The US Israel project failed, it's time to move israelis to Arizona or Florida. Trying Nukes will not give Israel legitimacy to that land and Justice will prevail. That land had it's owners and they will not let it go not in a millions years, Israel made a bad bet and it's time to absorb the loss and move somewhere else.


Juliet B.   January 3rd, 2009 8:46 pm ET

War is never good ! It is always the civilians caught in the middle. However, people out there, we need to realize that as a country ,we are given the rights to protect our own people just as Israel does. I think Israel has planned this very delicately. I believe they acted for the sake of there protection. Hamas has been labeled as a terrorist group...whom invaded GAZA in the first place while the ruling government was there . There was never ceasefire all this time. While Israel was pressured to excercise restraint, the Hamas fires rockets into Israel. We , in the west enjoy our peace, far away from the constant barage of rockets and guns and bombs. I just wonder how many of us really know what is really going on inside Israel and Palestine. The news gives us some, but not all they give us are true.

Better pray for peace.


Neil   January 3rd, 2009 8:47 pm ET

Hugh, I appreciate your comments, however

In order to understand this problem you have to look at root causes
(also please see my first comments above)

Isreal are occupying lands that do not belong to them. The Palestinains have been marginalised to a point that they are desperate which leads to desperate acts.

Put yourselves in their shoes... imagine an international body coming to California and declaring LA as Jewish (or a muslin land) and then they started expanding into other cities stating theat it belongs to them.. building walls etc. Would you just stand by and let them do this? Would America let this happen? Absolutely not.


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 8:50 pm ET

israel cornered people of palestine in gaza, took away basic needs of life from them, cameras and media can't get in there, women are giving birth to children on sidewalks on daily basis, people don't have no jobs, hardly any facilities are there in gaza.
when gaza struggles to stand up Israel start bombing them with f16s and tanks using the reason that hamas is throwing rockets on israel. hamas rockets are as if they are tickling Israel and israel gets mad because hamas tickled them so they have the right to crush people in gaza.
and vince from georgia makes fun of this situation and hugh from california calls gaza people cowards. WOW.


dominique   January 3rd, 2009 8:51 pm ET

Fouad,
Israel will probably stay where it is... It is time for the arabs to try to get a peace treaty and live pass that, (that with israel leaving them alone).
Hamas should understand that they will not win anything with stupid rockets,
If they want their land back, it is not gonna happen tomorrow, they should invest in developing the piece of land they can get, make a country out of it, hopefully prosper, and soemtime, maybe 100 years from now, if they have achieved susbstantial advances,a nd can compete with israeli power, they could engage in discussion (equal ones) to get back some more, and if at the time they still feel the need for it fight them...
Now they are loosing and cannot win... throwing rocks and handmade rockets is just gonna keep their people miserable...
I am Jewish, and Judaism is a great religion, what Israel is doing is so far away from it... A bit like the muslim suicide bombers...so far away from Islam...


Khurram   January 3rd, 2009 8:52 pm ET

After destroying all infrastructure, Israel dropped leaflets asking people to leave the area! What a shameful trick are they playing on poor Palestanians.


shannon   January 3rd, 2009 8:52 pm ET

For as long as the President of America is supporting Israel blindly like what it is today, the extremists (what you call terrorists today) are not going to stop attacking America.

But you know what? The true terrorists today are the Israelis bec they killed the over 400 people in Gaza (women and children included) and in addition to that they injured over 2000 people to date.

Anyone who supports the Israel is a terrorist indeed. Seems that there are alot like them in America. No wonder America is so cursed today, so did President Bush by the way. Never in history, a president got hit by a shoe in a press conference. He is the first. He is obviously cursed by the innocent people who got killed for his support to the Israel in the other wars, not just the one in Gaza today.

You have only yourself to blame if America is attacked again. I pray not though for I want to live in peace in America.


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 8:57 pm ET

Shannon,

if I may add, and not break history into pieces, the numbers are Only since last weekend. God knows the deaths of this holocaust since it started in 1948.


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 9:01 pm ET

hugh california sounds like your mom and dad didn't teach you manners being in a group conversation. i can imagine you being the rude kid of your class as well.
IF I AINT CALLING YOU AN IDIOT THAT DOESNT MEAN I DON'T KNOW HOW TO SAY IT. mind your words.
and if you were trying to burn my tail off you are almost there. and yes being more powerful having tanks and fighter jets does put israel at wrongdoing. and i do justify my comments. you don't have the commonsense to understand it. may be you need to go back to school and learn some manners and common sense.
Israel is being an Exterminator of innocent humans using the excuse of Hamas. AND WHEN YOU SUPORT ACT OF VIOLENCE SUCH AS KILLING OF INNOCENT YOU YOURSELF BECOME A TERRORIST.


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 9:01 pm ET

Obama, show us your the guy we voted for, everyone knows you cant do anything yet, but please encourage a ceasefire... condemn the deaths.... make any kind of statement


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 9:02 pm ET

Fouad [ The atomic bombing of Hiroshima on August 6, 1945,Brigadier General Paul W. Tibbets who flew the Boeing B-29 Enola Gay which bombed Nagasaki leading to Japan’s complete surrender ] that was then, we can now blow this very planet we all live on apart, why do little nations want to keep on with stupid stunts? i for one am ready to meet God are they?


shannon   January 3rd, 2009 9:06 pm ET

yes of cours there's more who died in the hands of the Israelis. But there are also alot who died in the hands of the muslim extremists too so I'm not discrediting them. The truth of the matter is, stop supporting any terrorism attacks, help these innocent people – in both Palestine and Israel (like the family of the 4 who died in Israel?) Yeah whatever, as long as America shows that they don't support either sides, come in with the UN to supply medical supplies and food, it will give a message that America wants peace. But the President has to make the statement though, which definitely not Bush, I prayed that Obama is smart enough not to support Israel anymore in this. If he doesn't then he is no different that Bush, so as Americans we can forget abt the Change he said he was going to make and I better start making a bomb shelter in my backyard.


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 9:08 pm ET

Vince in Georgia:
you are making too big of a statement for as little you are in front of God. In my opinion you are no way near as ready to meet God . Apart from our argument i wont recomend you to cosider yourself ready to meet God. Have fear Of your Creator. May be He will forgive you.


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 9:09 pm ET

Dominique,

All Hamas asked for is for Israel to lift the siege to continue the truce, you can't be at peace while the other party staves you to death in a concentration camp, Gaza is sieged and has been since the so called withrawal in 2005 by the Israeli army from all fronts. You are Jewish and I am sure you understand better than any1 what this means. Islam always gave safe haven to jews when prosecuted by the Christians for the last 2k years, from Spain to germany and so forth, this feels like a back stab to muslims.

This has never been about Judaism and Islam, but simply about the Zionist movement that highjacked Judaism and a land from its indegenous people. That simple.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 9:09 pm ET

shannon those 2 shoes MISSED the PRES is faster than the speeding shoe, PRES Bush ducked very well. the reported is a terrorist he launched a foot missle at our nations leader, AND HE MISSED HAHAHAHA, dont think Mr Bush is slow. lucky for that reporter our leader thought it was funny, he lives to feed his family!


John Doe   January 3rd, 2009 9:10 pm ET

dear bill i was wondering if you are aware of what the israelli government has been doing to these people you seem to have your head shoved up your ass to me


Barry   January 3rd, 2009 9:11 pm ET

Israel's brutal attack is beyond the pale, and totally unacceptable. this is heartbreaking. this is a David vs. Goliath situation and this time around i am not on the side of Israel. cease fire!


Mickey, Denmark   January 3rd, 2009 9:12 pm ET

I strongly support the Israeli offensive. No one would like to live in fear of mortars and enemy rockets for so long.
Please cover this story in a non bias way. Sending arab/muslim reporters to asses the situation is SOOO wrong...


shannon   January 3rd, 2009 9:13 pm ET

hahahahha yeah of course he missed the hit, we all know that but how many presidents experienced such humiliation. Only President Bush! ahhahahahahaha I thought that was funny. He pretended that it was funny bec he needed to save his face. Deep down in his heart, he is harboring hatred on the muslims, not just the extremists of the muslim world which is why he supports Israel for attacking Gaza right now.


markarli   January 3rd, 2009 9:14 pm ET

Hamas is a cancer that needs to be eradicated. Either the Palestinaians are the stupidest people on earth or they truly support evil. God Speed to the IDF. May you ALL return safe and sound.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 9:16 pm ET

bilal TEXAS your wrong. im more ready than you my friend!! it can all end now i do not care! and im no coward i cling not to life, and i fire no rockets at my neighbors while they sleep! if i go to hell then in hell i will live! that will be Gods choice for me as to where i go and what ever he decides im ready for!


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 9:18 pm ET

Vince,

He decided you move to Alabama..


Neil   January 3rd, 2009 9:18 pm ET

Princess of Jordan is on Larry King Live now.

Listen to her

She makes complete sense


Neil   January 3rd, 2009 9:18 pm ET

sry.. she is the Queen lol


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 9:20 pm ET

shannon are you telling me that war is over a shoe lol, boy your good you should try out for a reporter job some where lol, had Bush harbored any bad feelings that reporter would not be ALIVE TODAY!


Todd   January 3rd, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Israel is engaged in ethnic cleansing.

Israel broke the truce on 4 November, killing 6 Palestinians.

This is fact. Why are we ignoring this?


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Fouad lol you come move me ok!! im easy i assure you.


KBHNY1   January 3rd, 2009 9:22 pm ET

How can Queen Noor of Jordan comment on the treatment of the Palestinians of Gaza when her late husband was responsible for the deaths of tens of thousands of PLO members in September 1970?

Remember that the 1948 partition of Palestine gave Jordan to the Palestinians, not the Hashemite Arab warlords. Shouldn't she and her family welcome Fatah and Hamas back home?


Catie   January 3rd, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Why is NO ONE helping Isreal in this horrible battle for peace they are fighting alone? We are telling them to end the fighting but we are doing nothing to make Hamas STOP the rockets.

THAT IS ALL IT WOULD TAKE TO END THIS!!!!


henry c. smith   January 3rd, 2009 9:23 pm ET

here we go again....israel is using their same old 'victim' story again.
this is atrocious. israel is to blame for this nightmare. i can hardly stand watching these poor children scared and being killed and maimed.

not all of us in the united states take sides with what israel is doing.

god help the innocent people and children being massacred.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Todd i didnt see that on cnn.


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Vince the reporter did indeed underwent torture in Abu Ghraib, seriously he was beaten and showed scars of torture on his face last week.

That's the democracy the Bushies brought to Iraq.


Emmanuel   January 3rd, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Like I said Yesterday, Hamas has to depose arms and start talking peace.
All will stop and the Palestinians have much to gain. Israel would have no excuse anymore in front of world opinion.


bilal TEXAS   January 3rd, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Vince in Georgia: grab a lighter and put your finger in its flame for a few seconds. i tried it. only did it for like 3 seconds. YOU DON'T WANT TO BURN IN THE FIRE OF HELL. and i don't cling to life either. A muslim is not suppose to. i don't fire rockets at my neigbours neither i bomb the hell out of my neighbours. i pray for my neighbours well being. and May we all do.


Ali Khan   January 3rd, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Israeli forces have killed almost 500 people in a matter of days. Our President elect promised change! I was shocked to see his support for the war. The Israeli officials are using Obamas words to justify their killings. We as a nation should come together and stop this.


Barry   January 3rd, 2009 9:26 pm ET

why did you delete my post CNN? i said i was not in Israel's corner this time. are you taking sides???


John Doe   January 3rd, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Emmanuel are you aware that israel has been illegally occuping palastine land for 40 years or so


Tom Kubera   January 3rd, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Ask Queen Norr what country kicked out Arafat and his Palastinians because they were terrorist? Try Jordan. Israel gave them every opportunity. How would she like it if her country had rockets coming in indiscrimanetly everyday? It is about time Israel stood up for it self.


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Vince,

reality is, under oppression you never get a free ride.
You made my point, you will stay put and defend your stay in GA, that's what Palestinians did for the last 60 years.


jason   January 3rd, 2009 9:27 pm ET

ISRAEL HAS BEEN KILLING PEOPLE IN GAZA FOR THE LAST 60 YEARS. WHATS NEW ?


Vonny   January 3rd, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Hmm, I live in Australia. Watching Isreal attack Palestine, by land sea and air. If Israel didnt have the backing of the American War Monger Bush then they wouldnt be doing this. bullies. I dont support any war but i dont support those who support the genocide of people in an unfair war. Israel wants Gaza and it will wipe out anyone who stands in its way.

those who are truely upset over what is happening write, email your government at your discust dont argue here.

Shame on those who gloat over the deaths of children lets hope you never face what is happening there.


Mark   January 3rd, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Where did Hamas get their weapons? Why isn’t the country that supplied the weapons being held accountable?


Daniel Powell   January 3rd, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Earlier today, Ehud Barak said that "all citizens of all countries deserve to live in peace and tranquility" and that this is all that Israel wants. However, is it not obviously hypocritical that Israel denied this right to the Palestinian people in 1948 when it was unilaterally formed without any involvement from Palestine? It is clear to me that the Israel is no better than Nazi's. I believe that Israel has been victimizing Palestine since 1948 and has not legitimate right to occupy the land. Israel's only claim to the Land comes from the Biblical concept of the Promised Land. God promised the Land to the Palestinian people!


haider   January 3rd, 2009 9:30 pm ET

well my opinion is that Israel government should think about citizens of Gaza.And if Israel has any proof who shows that the rockets were fired from gaza then i think they should discuss this matter with the united nations.This is not the way for peace...!


mackawee   January 3rd, 2009 9:30 pm ET

this is a holocaust. When smart weapons caused death to so many childeren. Then it is delibrate. USA is part of this masacare directly. F-16 .heavy tanks. Mosqus and houses are target. Civilence are direcly targeted. You are killers and you don't want peace. Putting1.5 million under seage for 18 months with out food or medecine then you say you want peace is a big lie.


Griff   January 3rd, 2009 9:32 pm ET

Did I just see Israel fire cluster bombs live on CNN ?


Paula   January 3rd, 2009 9:34 pm ET

Rachel, Israel always claims to be defending themselves and allow the whole world to think that they are so innocent. Israel is killing the people of Gaza, not with rockets, but with hunger, desperation, and poverty over the years. Hammas was created as an act of desperation by the people. Hammas is the people!! Hammas provides to its people when the whole world turns its back on the Palestinians, Why? Because there is not enough wealth to buy the United States support.


Jacqueline   January 3rd, 2009 9:35 pm ET

I have one question. With everything going on in the past few days, why don't you compare how many Israelis have died vs. how many Palestinians have died. It is very simple. Even though most of us support Israel's freedom, they are truly disproportionate and our blind support of what they do puts us in more danger with extremists and is not in line with our belief in human rights.


Peter F. G. Szuchy   January 3rd, 2009 9:36 pm ET

WORLD WAR III.


Neil   January 3rd, 2009 9:36 pm ET

Daniel, well said.

There are massive double standards here.

Its amazing to me that the international community on the whole seems to be tip-toeing around Israel.

They seem to have a huge grip on America. Why is this? It seems almost incestuous.

They seem to me to be the biggest threat to peace in the Middle East.


mackawee   January 3rd, 2009 9:36 pm ET

Every victim has the right to avage any death in his family, you didn't defend them neither allow them to defend themselves. You are killers and with out shame try to say that you're victims Same on you. This is your attitude thrpough out history. You killed Jesus Christ and through history you brought only distructipon to humanty. And always play the victim. You are low beyond all standers


Marian Atkinson   January 3rd, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Gaza - WWII – Warsaw: Similarities - First the Jews were herded into a section of the city and walled in with guards at entrances and exits; then they were deprived of food and medicine; then when starved enough, they were bombed; then the tanks came in and destroyed what was left. The Jewish population smuggled in arms, food, clothing through underground tunnels and breaks in the walls; they made homemade weapons; they fought back to survive. They were driven underground and eventually the tunnels and underground bunkers were gassed and blown up. Perhaps the Israelis need to step back and ponder the roots of many of their population. Gaza - population herded into a small area; deprived of food, medicine etc., at the whim of the Israelis; bombed for a week; now the tanks and troops move in; the Palestinians use homemade weapons and smuggled weapons; they depend on humanitarian aid for food and clothing to a great extent; the Israelis are looking to destroy their tunnels. The Palestinians are fighting to survive. Am I the only one to see this similarity? Neither situation, Warsaw nor Gaza are justified and both are war crimes. The Germans were put on trial at Nuremburg. The Israelis???


Jo Ann, Ohio   January 3rd, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Wow this is a really interesting blog tonight! I am not an expert on this subject, but it seems that both sides have some compromising to do before any solutions can be reached.


Neil   January 3rd, 2009 9:39 pm ET

Well said Marian!


Rick   January 3rd, 2009 9:39 pm ET

If Israel is targeting Palestinians then why are they not taking militaty action in the west bank? It is because the rockets have come from Gaza, which is under Hamas' control. The Palestianians in the West Bank are living in peace with Israel and peacefully coe-xisting under the moderate control of Fatah. Why is this not being discussed in the media and the Palestinains?


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 9:40 pm ET

I'm so sick of hearing the Palestinian commentators saying that Israel is bombing women and children. When Hamas let their bombs fly, they hit civilians also. And Israel is giving aid to Gaza, is hamas giving aid to the Israeli towns they hit? The speakers for hamas just keep saying the same thing over and over, it's boring. They say the Israeli's don't want to negotiate. How can one party negotiate when the other wants what they want and that's it, nothing else will suffice? Hamas and the Palestinians have been given land, and money and still they want more. If all the Jewish people left Israel, they still would not be happy. Everyone knows that but is afraid to say it on T.V. Cmon, Wolfe, get some guts....


Rui Lobato   January 3rd, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Islam and Jews are fighting eachother for more than 1000 years.
Too many lifes were lost through memories of Times. On my 26 years of existence, i´ve heard about conflicts in Gaza or in Israel almost once a month. If a war bring peace to the middle east, than we are living times of a beggining of a new Era.
It worked with the Crusades before.
Best wishes to Palestinian and Israelit people.


Tom   January 3rd, 2009 9:40 pm ET

I don't think anyone in this country (US) understands the total history of this conflict. It began long before Israel was founded. At the end of WWII Arabs accounted for 90% of the population of Palestine which at the time was controlled by Britain. Jewish immigration in the 1920's caused little alarm. But as it escalated during the rise of Nazi Germany it began to cause conflict and was stirred by the Arab fear of the creation of a Jewish state. This fear was because the Arabs knew they would be the losers. There was an Arab revolt from 1936-39 and was the first major outbreak of Palestinian – Zionist hostilities. The first Terrorist of the area were actually Jewish. The Irgun and the Stern Gang initiated terror against the British rule even as Britain allowed thousands of displaced Jews to enter Palestine. This cause Britain to declare it would end its mandate over Palestine. This in turn lead to the UN mandate to partition Palestine (yes, it was Palestine before it was Israel) into a Arab state and a Jewish state with Jerusalem (then called al-Quds) placed under UN trusteeship. It would remain neutral. More than half the land was allotted to the Jews including the valuable costal areas even though Jews only owned 6% of the land. On May 14th, 1948 Britain ended its mandate over Palestine and the Jews immediately proclaimed the independent state of Israel. The Soviet Union was the first to recognize Israel followed shortly by the US. The tragedy of Palestine was born. Of course the Arab states sent armies but were out numbered and were not well organized. More than 500,000 Arabs fled to the west bank in fear. On April 9, 1948 in the village of Deir Yassin the Irgun and Stern Gang (Jewish terrorist groups)systematically massacred 245 Palestinians. There were other massacres such as that at Kafr Qaaaem. This was done to create a general climate of terror that encouraged the unarmed and defenseless Palestinians to flee. So, the Jews were the first terrorists. The wider conflict with the Arab states expanded and the rest is history. I do not in any way support Hamas. That is not my point. The point is that that Israel is not innocent either and both sides bear responsibility for the blood shed. The current response by Israel is disproportionate and extreme. They could do more to create peace. They are the stronger, bigger side. The Jews created this mess 60 years ago. We (the US) should not be on either side, should not be providing weapons to Israel until they step up and work for real peace. At the same time the Palestinians would do well to revolt against Hamas as they are creating much of the pain. If we continue to insist Hamas recognize Israel’s right to exist.. well.. that won't happen and who cares if they do or not. Israel exists and that won't change. The Palestinians deserve a state of their own as mandated by the UN long ago. We (the US) should make that happen. We can deal with Hamas later. There is enough blame to go around on both sides. After 60 years this is getting pathetic. The Palestinian and Jewish peoples deserve better. Our side in this (unwavering support of one side) is sad and not helping. Have me on the show and we can chat about this more. I would like to see our media cover the whole truth from the beginning. Then maybe everyone would understand it is not just the Arabs or Palestinians that are to blame here. The easy solution. An Isreal state and Palestinian state. An independent neutral Jerusalem controled by the UN. Settlements in the occupied Palestinian lands are to be given up as they should not have been settled to begin with. Until this is done the US should remove weapons support to Israel. A UN force should be put in place to seperate the two and reign in Hamas. It starts with the US ending its one sided support. Besides.. you have to ask yourself.. what have our "friends" (Israel) done for us lately?


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Yes, Israel is making itself the hero in the world audience through CNN.

But really what the truth is that Israel is creating this story so the poeple of the world divert their sympathy to them, of which they don't have now.

Surely, they don't even care about the civilians, the children, the women, and the men who killed indiscriminately and without due.

Though I don't favor Hamas's actions toward Israel, it is just easy to point that Hamas is the means for the Paletinian people to stand thewir ground and defend their kid's future. What's wrong with defending your safety. your lives, your territory and your dreams with the biggest antagonist there is.

I hope the world had to focus on Israel's wrongs and misdealings.

Comment for CNN, I've heard the interview by Ralitsa a while ago, she's too defensive for the Israel's sake. I don't know but I found her comments biased towards Israel.

Even CNN's coverage is partly biased, using misleading words to describe the situation.. Hamas=militant?, you're kidding me. Hamas is fighting for the Palestinian existence of which Israel is attempting form day one to erase form the map. Gaza ground assault underway? not, quite, tell me, Gaza Occupatation underway or Gaza Invasion underway, that's the time I will believe you. Under the International law, this should not be happening, for illegal occupatation and invasion is against the precepts of which a civilized nation agreed to.

I guess Israel is not reading the lectures on International Law.


Mas   January 3rd, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Question: Who tortured and murdered the Jews during World War II? Did the Arabs have anything to do with the holocaust as experienced by the Jews during that time?

Answer: I was sure that it was Europe, particularly Germany who exterminated millions of Jews; a psychopathic Europe caused the Holocaust. America did very little to stop the carnage. (America is not doing anything to stop the carnage now in Palestine. Here America goes again,on the wrong side of the fence!)

Question: So how did the Jews get the land that belonged to the Arabs? Whose evil plan was it to take the land from the Palestinians and repatriate European Jews on Arab land?

Answer: I am sure I read that Jews of Europe took the land from the Arabs in 1949 with trickery under the Balfour pact, thank you very much Britain. (At least this time the British are protesting to stop the carnage heaped on the defenseless Palestinians by a world Nuclear Power.) Seems like the Palestinians are the scapegoats for a failed rescue policy for the Jews during WWII. America and Britian have guilt complexes because of their inaction during World War II. And America, with no rhyme or reason hates all things Arab, except their oil, hateful concotion spoon-fed by a biased media.

Question: If someone took your house, your land and relegated you to poverty, occupation what would you do? If you were put under seige and treated as a second-class citizen, what would you do? If some one took your land and then burned the deeds and records of your land ownership, what would you do?

To my Palestinian brothers and sisters fight to the very end. Do not let
the Jews do to you what America did to the Native Americans and the Africans. Do not succumb to annihation like the British did to the African in south Africa and Australia. Fight to the bitter end, for to live in subjugation and occupation is not living at all.

Lastly, one would think that Jews would never be an oppressor after their treatment by the Germans. Instead, Jews have become the same oppressor , if not worse, to the Palestinians as the Germans were to them.

The world must protect the Palestinian people from the abusive state of Israel. By the way, where are the Jews who are outraged by the actions of the Israel? Speak up! Lives are at stake! That's right, Palestinians are HUMAN BEINGS, they are CHOSEN too!!! Speak up, Now!!!


DeanF High Point, NC   January 3rd, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Israelis are the real bullies here! Big Bad Israel has been choking the Palistenians throats with both their hands. With our explicit and implicit help.
Palestenians kick back (fire rocketsat Israel) ) in order to free themselves from the brutal and unconcienable choke hold.

Israelis then bring in their big dogs to "bite" the Palestenians' legs.

The world asks why such inhumane response?

Israelis and USA's only talking points-Wel,l the Palestenians need to stop kicking us.

No one is asking the billion dollar questions about the Israelis choke hold on Palestenians throat. No one is asking why this bullying of poor and resourceless people.

What would you do if someone was choking your throat with both their hands? Would you not kick them and try to get out of their strangle hold?

Israel won't win, simply because they know deep down they are the real bullies here. Their conciensense is not clear. They will lose again.
Like America they will create more Ill-will in the world public opinion becuase everyone knows Israel is wrong. It is not about self defense at all. That is just an over-used excuse. It is all about bullying and arrogance. No righteousness here!


Richard Jaffee   January 3rd, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Over the past six weeks, the citizens of Israel have endured a torrent of over 600 rockets fired on their cities and towns by Hamas and thousands of rockets into its territory since 2005. The recent escalation in violence from Hamas has made the threat to Israel’s security intolerable. Like any sovereign state in the world, Israel has the right to respond to violent attacks directed indiscriminately against its people and its territory.

Israel has responded forcefully, specifically targeting military objectives such as Hamas’ command centers, security installations, rocket-launching sites, weapons stockpiles, and weapons smuggling tunnels.

If Hamas wants to achieve peace and security for Gaza, it must immediately stop the reckless and indiscriminate rocket attacks on Israel, without conditions or reservations. Israel has made it plain that its measures against Hamas will cease when Israel is secure in its own borders, and free from the threat of daily terrorist bombardments on its citizens.


Pamela Tureen   January 3rd, 2009 9:43 pm ET

I think it is very important to consider the beginning this conflict/war between Israel and Gaza at the point when Israel left Gaza. When the Israelis left, they kept control over key aspects of life such as air control, sea control, control over entrance to Gaza, control over power etc. Queen Noor was explaining this. During the last several months of blockade, life in Gaza has become unbearable. Very high unemployment, lack of foods, lack of medicine. These conditions gave rise to Hamas and keep young people willing to join it and sacrifice their lives for it.


Lana   January 3rd, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Why can't a Palestinian orginization have weapons and use force? Why is it only Israel that gets to do that? The Palestinians don't have an Army, Navy, or Air Force. They have an organization called Hamas that has been elected by the Palestinian people through a democratic election, therefore if they feel they need to use rockets to make Israel lift it's seige on Gaza, then so be it. The Israelis are cunning in making themselves always seem like the victims. They claim they don't occupy Gaza anymore, but of course they do! They control who and what goes into and out of there, including food, water, and electricity which they terribly limit for the people of Gaza. Israel is commiting genocide against defenseless people who are only trying to free themselves from the grip of Israeli's fascist, rascist, Iron fist.


william bell   January 3rd, 2009 9:46 pm ET

WHY DOES THE WORLD TOLORATE THE ISRAELIS AGRESSION AND WHY DOESN'T THE TRUTH BE KNOWN THAT THE ISRAELIS ARE NOT THE JEWS OF THE BIBLE BUT ARE OF EUROPEAN DESCENT AND SHOULD NOT BE IN ISRAEL.


Lana   January 3rd, 2009 9:46 pm ET

@Pamela Tureen: well said, you're spot on.


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Richard: not during the ceasefire, which was broken first by Israeli's in November and confirmed by cnn
If the rockets are that bad, how come only 4 people died during the last few days when most rockets were being fired
Israel has also been bombing schools, universities, mosques, apartments, even the department of justice


Jo Ann, Ohio   January 3rd, 2009 9:46 pm ET

I know this sounds simplistic, but the killing of innocent civillians is wrong no matter which side is doing it.

I doubt that the Obama administration will be able to offer any solutions to this conflict. In fact, I don't think it is a coincidence that this is happening just as a new administration is about to take over.


henry c. smith   January 3rd, 2009 9:46 pm ET

very well said, marion.


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Yes, Israle has the right to respond to the attacks. but the proprotion of their retaliation is far beyond acceptable terms. The escalation of their attacks are war-like. Are they going to start a world war?

Oh my god, Israel is confounding on attacks that only had gone on to reach 7 people. And they responded to kill 400 people. Is that equality? I know Israel wants a piece of what has been taken form them, but 7-400 is that proportionate? Is that justifiable? That's utterly inhuman.


Matt Stafford, VA   January 3rd, 2009 9:48 pm ET

I've about had it with all the talk about Israel using proportionate force.

Hamas sending rockets into Israel is like a bully picking on the strong, silent kid. He may sit there and take it, and take it, and take it, but eventually something will make the kid break, and the end won't be pretty. I am not clearing Israel of all blame, I am simply saying that their counterattack is not unwarranted.

Civilian casualties are an unfortunate consequence of war. Hamas' rockets lack sophisticated post-launch guidance, which makes them extremely inaccurate. Consequently, Gaza has such a high population density, even the most pinpoint air strikes will inevitably involve civilians.

What's more, from what I've seen of the ground assault, Israel is not using everything they can. They could use the M270 MLRS, or use higher yield bombs. So far they seem to be staying true to the goal of minimizing civilian deaths. They are showing a degree of restraint, and I for one am in favor of this.

What I do not agree with is Israel preventing humanitarian aid. It is true that the region is dangerous, but this can easily be worked around. Israel's air forces could airlift supplies into needed areas. For God's sake, if the airspace is safe enough for gunships, a transport plane dropping supplies is not in any danger.

Oh, and let the press in. If reporters are willing to take the risk to report from the war zone, more power to them.


Daniel Powell   January 3rd, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Neil....thanks for seeing the double standard...it seems to me that, yes, it is incestuous, and the incest is based upon race and religion. The fact, that the Ashkenazim ("European") Jews receive support from America because they are essentially "white" people and are linked to American Christianity because Christian's blindly believe that God promised the Land to the Jews. True history illustrates that the Jews of ancient times were "Sephardi" ("Arabs") and these are the original Jews that God promised the Land to. I believe that these Arab-Jews converted to Islam and now are actually the Palestinian people. Abraham is also the patriarch of the Islamic people and God promised the Land to Abraham.
The Jews claim that they need a homeland, but many groups like African-Americans have suffered and do not have a homeland just for them. What makes the Jews so special?


jason   January 3rd, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Very well said Marian Atkinson.


RIJ   January 3rd, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Here's the facts: there is no occupation. Israel unilaterally left Gaza in 2005. Hamas was elected and could have built civic institutions and invited foreign investment to improve the living standards of its people.

But, instead, as has been typical of Palestinian leadership which has never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity - they clamped down on individual rights (especially women) and launched a steady stream of missiles at innocent Israeli towns.

The good news in this current effort to remove this vermin from power, is that Israel has the (secret) support of most of the Arab world. No one, with the exception of the Iranians, wants Hamas in power.

Hopefully, once removed, a better Palestinian leadership will emerge - one that understands that living in peace with Israel is far more beneficial than living in a constant state of war.


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Mark,

the Hamas rockets are home made. Allegations that Iran supplied them is Bull propaganda by the Israelis and by the Bush admn to pave for another war from Iraq, Iran is not Iraq and both US and Israel would not take that picnic, they tried it before and it was not successful.

The coffers of this nation are depleted by unjust wars and support for terror thugs in Israel for 60 yrs, while hard working Americans are lining up for food stamps and losing homes.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Fouad no i said for you to come move me im easy, if moving the families out of Gaza to save the children and women from the stupidity of terrosist to georgia we got plenty room!! just no money, you got the money i got the time!! let them come the united states can offer safety to people who love peace and want to live in peace, for those who love war we offer the high tech wars of all wars, we aims to please!!


Nisreen   January 3rd, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Someone please use the term "overkill"
I believe it is apt in describing the current situation. Yes Hamas did wrong, but no, Israel did not have to use the force it is using. Someone do the math... in the last 8 days how many Palestinians have died compared to Israelis....


Emmanuel   January 3rd, 2009 9:51 pm ET

John Doe,

What do you mean illegally occupying this land for 40 years, this land was given to them by the United Nation, do you remember the creation of Israel! Like many people I am not a huge fan of Israel because I think that a country should not be based on religion but really, Israel is a democracy, the only one in the middle east. In this case they have legitimacy. I feel for the Palestinians but these religious fanatics have to be dealt with. War is war and the means justify the end Hamas hides among civilians so in essence they are responsible for those deaths. Remember WW2, We bombed Germany and Japan to oblivion, it was the only way to prevail. War is hell but to win it, the means justify the end.


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 9:51 pm ET

May GOD OF ABRAHAM BLESS the true Israelits which are not represented by International Zionist( non-Jew) agent martin Indik. The Zionist State of Israel the Protege of America in the region IS A THREAT TO THE MIDDLE EAST SECURITY.
The mystry is in what you see...


shannon   January 3rd, 2009 9:51 pm ET

wow, i'm so glad that more people with brains and heart are blogging here right now... Did you all hear what the Queen of Jordan said? Everything she said is exactly what I was saying earlier, minus the Bush shoe hit story ahahhahahahaha... both need to cease fire. Both need to stop... thanks to all who thinks Gaza especially the innocent people don't deserve this.... you all sure got the brains and the heart. May you be blessed... let's seek and support activist who thinks like us and petition to stop this war... too many people died already, its time to stop. President Elect Obama need to pull back his statement and say that this has to stop and do something about it this time... then he will gain the respect from the Americans and the people around the world including the extremists in the Muslim world. If not, all we can do is to ask ourselves again if we had chosen the wrong guy to lead the United States, huh?


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 9:52 pm ET

I have always had great respect for Queen Noor and her deft melding of Western liberal values with a respect for Islamic traditions. I understand why she would feel the need to speak for the plight of the Palestinians, but I find it irresponsible that she refused to comment on the complicity of Arab countries in both the persecution of Palestinians and the escalation of conflict in Gaza. Clearly Iran actively and Egypt passively have enabled the shipment of arms through the designated tunnels instead of funneling relief resources and humanitarian aid. Furthermore Lebanon and Egypt have been equally oppressive of the displaced Palestinians in a story often ignored by a convenient focus on Israel as the cause. Queen Noor and other Arab politicians need to acknowledge their own responsibility and interests in this conflict. Her claim to put the Gaza situation in context is carefully myopic. What about the greater context of the Arab world's hostile refusal to acknowledge the right of Israel to exist, and the all too frequent manipulation of the Palestinan plight in the political service of anti-Zionism rather than as a sincere commitment to human rights in the region, enabling the continued threat of Israel's extinction?


Lana   January 3rd, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Do the Americans know what their government is doing? Every American should take it upon themselves to share the knowledge that everyday American sends to Israel over 10 million dollars of tax payers' money and weapons so that Israel can continue to occupy and oppress the Palestinian people. The Americans must know that their government is not satisfied with having gone to war in Iraq and Afghanistan, they still want more blood to be spilt, and the blood they most prefere seems to be the muslim one!


L.S.   January 3rd, 2009 9:53 pm ET

How does the Israeli government justify their incursion into Gaza, after killing 460+ and wounding thousands of Palestinians? The attacks are disproportional and can not be justified. Israel must stop their attacks immediately and Hamas must stop firing rockets into Israel. I hope the U.N emergency meeting will yield some fruit, as the world watch innocent Palestinians been slaughter.


Joe Habib   January 3rd, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Wolf,

Israel has been a nation under attack since its conception. The major problem with this conflict is the lack attention to history. The partition plan of 1947 was more than fair to the Palestinians. They were given a fair share of the land in terms of quantity and more than fair in terms of quality. Israel is now its size because they had war declared on them and required buffer zones from further attacks. Which, with hindsight, shows us did come. A majority of blame that the anti-zionist blame throws around should be aimed at themselves.
Joe


Rick   January 3rd, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Gaza voted for the Hamas, Gaza voted for a terrorist group. Voting for Hamas means you voted against peace, and you want to annihilate Israel. Civil countries like Israel do not negotiate with terrorists, they fight to exterminate them. This is how Israel needs to deal with Hamas.
If Gaza wants peace, they need to get rid of Hamas.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Fouad home made well now you prove it with this news Gaza is a terroist nation, thats what terrosist do they make bombs and USE THEM!! wake up.


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 9:54 pm ET

how many wives the king of jordan has?

I mean that's not Queen Rania on the tv a while ago.


anwar   January 3rd, 2009 9:55 pm ET

CNN, Shame on You

Stop being sided with criminals.......the crisis did not start with launching rockets.....stop acting as naive as you are....you are just adding fuel to the crisis that has been going on for more than 50 years........where were you CNN during the blockade of Gaza? CNN Why not addressing the main issues:

1. Occupation, Occupation, Occupation
2. Humilation of Palestinians,
3. Sturving Gaza

CNN boycut Bush and Company, CNN rise above naivity, CNN stop promoting colonialists ideas and anti human propoganda ....YOU cannot detach people from thier chosen leaderships,

The line "we are not against Palistinians, we are against Hamas, Hamas is holding people of Gaza Hostage" is criminal colonialistic line of dirty politics. Stop being naive. You cannot always get away with murder because you only choose to deal with leaderships of your choice.

SHAME on YOU CNN...........rise above the dirty politics ..be a fair media platform


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 9:56 pm ET

only the us had branded the hamas as terrorist..............


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Israel is only winning because they have the weapons. The Palestinians have the courage knowing they are without weapons to carry on. Israel is the bully and the world stands by watching another holocaust taking place. Of course there isn't any fear by Israel the weaponry from the US are helping them. Israel and the world are the new Nazis. Once again, since Europe will not stand up for Palestine, will China? Will someone have the courage to stand up against Israel and the US? Is there one country who would stand up for the Palestianians murders taking place? The Arab world this could be you tomorrow if you disagree with Israel or the US. No matter who we are the world has away of making things just eventually. You reap what you sow, for all of us.


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Jo Ann,

Obama already did his civic duty, visited Israel and dance for them, kissed some Zionist ass back in July to get elected.

Do we really have a US democracy if the Zionists of Israel have to approve/disapprove our president choice before we head to the polls?


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 9:57 pm ET

good point anwar..............

cnn is biased............

though it tried to present both sides of the sotry, it still aired biased news

maybe the investors of cnn are zionists


M. Rafay   January 3rd, 2009 9:57 pm ET

I have read the varied opinions of people on this blog. The only thing i can say is that we should all pray for peace and cease fire between gaza and israel.


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 9:57 pm ET

A terrorist for one person is a freedom fighter for another


Morgaan Sinclair   January 3rd, 2009 9:58 pm ET

The reason Isreali response looks disproportionate is that there has been NO reporting on the 9,000 that have been shot into Israel from Gaza since the Isrealis withdrew.That's 9,000 DURING A CEASEFIRE that HAMAS NEVER HONORED. Then they "broke the ceasefire." That's like breaking an agreement not to shoot after you've blown up a school. Every drop of Palestinian blood shed is on HAMAS' soul. This invasion is worth it if only because of what HAMAS has done to Palestinian women's freedom, even before you get to the 9,000 assaults on Israeli civilians. Why don't you talk about THAT?


RIJ   January 3rd, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Lana...the Americans give as much money each year to Egypt as they give to Israel. At least with Israel we have a reliable democratic ally.

There is no oppression of Palestinians - except by Palestinians! Israel has tried repeatedly for peace. It is HAMAS that has sworn off any chance for peace. They refuse to recognize Israel's right to exist and won't be satisfied until Israel is destroyed.

The Palestinian leadership must be changed! Hamas is a disaster to every Palestinian civilian.

Also...Israel has shown remarkable restraint in this military action. 80% of the casualties have been Hamas terrorists! This is amazing given that the cowardly Hamas intentionally hide their weapons and missile launchers within civilian populations. What other country would be so careful?


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 9:58 pm ET

If you could be born either in Israel or Gaza, regardless of religion, where would you choose to be born? If you still support Israel's inhumane actions, than let me tell you that you stand alone amongst the rational body of the world.


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 9:59 pm ET

The fact is that the strong and silent kid is taken over the BULLY KID 'S HOUSE...


John Doe   January 3rd, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Emmanuel
building jew only communities on arab land enforcing martial law upon the citizens of the west bank/gaza tearing down people homes because they dont have a "building permit"
that is what i am refering to as illegally occuping their land


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Is it legitimate to hate "Zionists" and call Israel a conspiracy front? Certainly any denigration of Palestinians would be considered racist and politically incorrect, and justly so. Finger pointing and hatred will never bring peace; only committed efforts to live together on all sides.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Fouad you say this in ur post[ hard working Americans are lining up for food stamps and losing homes. ] are you going to move them to alabama? lol too bad wars cant be fought on a blog as we fight this one no one would ever get nothing but there feelings hurt, makes scense to me!!.


Morgaan Sinclair   January 3rd, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Queen Rania is the wife of the present King Abdullah.

Queen Noor, a traitor to the truth every time she opens her mouth, was the 2nd wife of King Hassan, who died several years ago. She is presently a sort of "Queen Mother" of Jordan, and a mouthpiece for the Arab league.

Notice how she couldn't answer when Blitzer asked her what Israel should do??????

She only painted HAMAS as victims. HAMAS isn't the victim here. HAMAS has only two products: hate and death. HAMAS should be censured and forcibly removed BY ARABS for child abuse (see MEMRI) and rabid misogyny. It shouldn't even BE Israel that has to take these butchers down. They have ruined Gaza.


Emmanuel   January 3rd, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Where does this notion of proportionality come from? Israel is being attacked every day by Hamas missiles. They respond, they are stronger, they fight to win, that's it. They will clean it up. If you come at me with a knife and I have a gun, does that mean that I have to put the gun down and pull a knife to fight with you? no, I blow your head off. Simple, I win.


Lynne   January 3rd, 2009 10:01 pm ET

The Arab world has created the "Palestinian Crisis" in order to justify their hatred of Jews and unconditional desire to wipe Israel off the map. There is no such thing as an ethnic Palestinian. This is a mannipulative moniker created to justify the Arab claim on the Judeo-Christian Holy Land. It would not matter where on Earth the Jewish people decided to settle, the Koran would mandate that decent Moslems seek them out and shed their blood, burn their flesh and smite them. If a Moslem dies in the process, so much the better, for they will go straight to the creator. How can you compare the life of someone who loves living to that of someone who loves death? Are four Israelis worth 400 death hating "Palestinians"? You betcha!

Who made Palestine into another Soweto? Palestine wants independence and utilizes all of its resources to attack Israel. That is why they have not built any infrastructure...They fully intend to use their people as human shields.

And those who whine about a disproportionate response from Israel...YOU ARE CRAZY!!! That is the whole point! There is no other reason to show force than to actually demonstrate that you have the MIGHT to defeat your enemy.

What is inhuman is that the media would skew the story in such a way that decent people seem to miss the entire point and blame this on Israel.


anwar   January 3rd, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Does anyone know who are the people of Gaza? where they come from?

Do we know how is the daily life in gaza look like?

Are Isrealis of different mankind, different breed? do they deserve 5 starts service at the expenss of the palestinians and the rest of the world?

Down the road, what does isreal wants? Plainly and clearly?

What does Peace means to the Isrealis?

Shame on you Bush and Company
Shame on You CNN for this baised coverage of the war
Shame on You CNN for not addressing the main issues for so long and Repoting on outcomes and soliciting justifications for this murder


Matt (Stafford, VA)   January 3rd, 2009 10:02 pm ET

This is directed at the people who are calling Israel a bully. Let's make up a scenario.

Let's say today, now, 2009, Russia starts firing missiles into Alaska. We respond. Now America's military is much more powerful then Russia's. Are we automatically the bully because we attack our aggressor?

Was America the bully when we went into Vietnam?

Was Britain the bully when they went into the Falklands?

Was NATO the bully in Bosnia?

Answer me that.


Lana   January 3rd, 2009 10:03 pm ET

@RIJ, here is what you said: Here’s the facts: there is no occupation. Israel unilaterally left Gaza in 2005. Hamas was elected and could have built civic institutions and invited foreign investment to improve the living standards of its people.

Response: There is occupation. The Israelis have total control over Gaza in everyway, be it passageway through land and sea, food, water, electricty, everything. It's called a seige. Hamas indeed was elected and could have build civic institution, ect, but its quite hard to do that when Israel has an Iron Grip on Gaza and the entire Palestinian population. I've been to Israel, I know how the Palestinians are treated. Even the Arab-Israelis are treated as third class citizens, if that!

The whole occupation of Palestine is against many UN resolutions. The reason the UN gave Palestine to the Israelis is because the UN themselves are corrupt and the Zionists used the Holocaust as a tactic for the whole world to sympathize with them, therefore giving them a country. Nobody can say anything anymore against Israel without them saying "You're anti-semetic!" What is that? Another Zionist tactic. The truth is being known to the world, slowly, but steadily that Israel is the true agressor here and that something is terribly wrong in their position with the Palestinian people.


DeanF High Point, NC   January 3rd, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Tom, thanks for taking time to explain this mess in some detail.
A well thought out and balanced approach to helping solve this extremely entrencehed and adamant stalemate.


Emmanuel   January 3rd, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Queen Noor is a great Lady, she has always been fair to both sides!


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 10:03 pm ET

don't you get it, israel is shelding on the clothes of deceit..........

it wants to occupy and erase gaza, it doesn't want peace, it wants domination,

changing of guards in gaza sounds like bush's changing of guards in iraq, since when a foreign country can diuctate of force a change in the doemstic matters of another country, only u.s. have done that....

and israel, the u.s. friend, ally, is doing the same way, then after the occupation, the invasion, they will say, we've freed the people of gaza of the terrorist, but the truth is they had occupied gaza and they don't think much more than making gaza their own.......

what a shame


Morgaan Sinclair   January 3rd, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Excuse me, but how many Jews do Palestinians allow to live in Gaza? None.

How many Christian churches are allowed in Saudi Arabia? None.

How many women can appear on Palestinian TV unveiled? None.

How many synagogues are allowed in Saudi Arabia? None.

You want to talk about Israelis pushing Palestinians out? You lie. There are 1.1 million Muslims, mostly Palestinians, living in Israel. They worship in SAFE mosques. And they NEVER WANT TO LEAVE. Hizbollah and HAMAS have promise THOSE Muslims they will be the first to die when they take over.


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 10:04 pm ET

I agree with Anwar and have emailed and called CNN. It only let us see Israel in the best light. Do we really have a free press? I wonder because CNN does not give all the news. Not only now, but in the past. When I am in Europe, their news is much more unbiased concerning Israel and Palestine. Its as if the US is afraid to tell the truth and be unbiased for fear of Americans learning that Israel is not what it protrays itself to be. In the US we only get how good Israel is and how bad Palestinians are. Unfortunately, the world is not that simple. Stand up for true reporting CNN.


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 10:05 pm ET

Why doesn't cnn correct Israeli spokesmen when they say that Hamas broke the ceasefire, when it was Israel that entered Gaza and killed Palestinians even two months ago , and put Gaza in a virtual siege for over a year


Rick   January 3rd, 2009 10:05 pm ET

Gaza voted for the Hamas, Gaza voted for a terrorist group. Voting for Hamas means you voted against peace. Civil countries like Israel do not negotiate with terrorists organizations like Hamas.
If Gaza wants peace, they need to get rid of Hamas.


Mark   January 3rd, 2009 10:05 pm ET

Fouad, how can such a poor people have the resources to build rocket launchers and rockets – thousands of them? Someone has to be supplying them with the weapons to create the situation they are in knowing they would use them on Israel. They seem to be just puppets and someone else is feeding the fire.


GHAZA REBORN   January 3rd, 2009 10:06 pm ET

LARRY IT IS BROUGHT TO MY ATTENTION THAT ALOT OF AMERICAN BUSINESSES ARE DONATING MONEY TO THE ISRAELI GOVERMENT FOR THEIR SO CALLED WAR. WHAT HAPPENS WHEN THE PALESTINIANS IN AMERICA WANT TO DONATE MONEY TO PALESTINE??? ARE WE ALSO SUPPORTERS OF TERRORIST ATTACKS OR A WAR? WHEN THE ISRAELIS SEND THE MONEY ITS OK, AMERICA SUPPORTS IT. BUT US AS PALESTINIANS IN AMERICA WE ARE LABELED AS SUPPORTERS OF TERROR. DONT YOU SEE SOMETHING WRONG WITH THIS?


Harry   January 3rd, 2009 10:06 pm ET

If the Cubans in Miami declared South Florida a separate country and launched an assault via rockets against North Florida,
how many years would the North Floridians put up with it.
Let alone the US.

Woudl the US be roundly condemned for crushing a rebellion?
Of course not.

If this were Sudan and Darfur would the media be all over it?
Would the British be having demonstrations?
Where is the coverage of the suicide bombings in Iraq that kill 100 people at a pop indiscriminately?

Could you all be any more hypocritical? Especially John from Texas?


Lana   January 3rd, 2009 10:06 pm ET

@Dolly

FACT: I HAVE FAMILY LIVING IS GAZA AND THEY INFACT DON'T HAVE MUCH FOOD, WATER, AND NO ELECTRICITY. REGARDING MEDICAL SUPPLIES, THE U.N. ITSELF CONFIRMED THERE IS AN HUMANITARIAN CRISIS AND THE FACT THAT THE PALESTINIANS ARE NOW SENDING THEIR INJURED TO EGYPT PROVES IT. DOLLY YOU ARE VERY NAIVE AND YOU'RE COMMENTS ARE TYPICAL ZIONIST LIES.


shannon   January 3rd, 2009 10:07 pm ET

Lynne, watch your words! You know better who is the idiot in this discussion. You don't have to get so defensive. You shld get out of here is our comments are just too much for you for we are not the only ones with brains and heart. Imagine you living in Gaza or Israel, wouldn't you want this war to stop?


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 10:07 pm ET

Anwar

Peace to Israelis means recognition and safety; and they offer equal to true partners in said peace. One side accusations, and playing victimhood while justifying terrorsism, gets us nowhere. I want everything the Palestinians deserve, both from Israel and equally oppressive Arab nations, but also what Israel deserves. Angry obstinate narcissistic cynicism gets us nowhere! The Arab world needs to open up to human rights, of women and gays and political dissidents. If journalists under Arab and Islamic totalitarian regimes speak against their government they disappear; Israeli journalists criticize Israel all the time gaining respect as the fourth estate!


John Doe   January 3rd, 2009 10:07 pm ET

Civil countries like Israel do not negotiate with terrorists organizations like Hamas.
civil countries lol


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 10:07 pm ET

matt you don't get it...

yes, the u.s. are the bully in vietnam, they killed families, burning villages, raping women, ....who give them the right to do it? they have the guts and bones ot do that? very thick-faced, htey don't even give apologies for the atrocities they had done..............

uk into falklands is a different story, same as bosnia and nato............

this is between two soverewign territory.........]

you don't get it.............

palestine is dying for freedom and peace and enjoyment of a simple life without fear, and israel is taking the guns and tanks and jets to force the issue oin gaza.....................


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 10:08 pm ET

So, Israel is a puppet also. They would not be such lions if Israel did not have US weapons and money.


Angel La Rosa   January 3rd, 2009 10:08 pm ET

The current crisis must be seen from a broader historical perspective. We don't deny the Israel's right to defend from Hamas attacks. But Hamas violence is itself a consequence of Israel criminal , disproportionate military actions towards Palestinian people.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Fouad Obama already did his civic duty, visited Israel and dance for them, kissed some Zionist ass back in July to get elected. DID YOU REALLY SAY THIS? i thought he won the election to get elected!! you know by popular vote, i didnt see him pucker his lips up for no one much less to kiss any ones ass as you put it.


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 10:10 pm ET

i suggest when you want a fair news, go to al jazeera news site........

though north america is giving it a bad light, al jazeera is major news institution in africa and the middle east, thewy get fairer as you wanted it, giving fair insights of both israel and palestine.............

cnn, try to get a life of fairness and better human-journalism


Joe   January 3rd, 2009 10:10 pm ET

Dolly!
There is only one true fact here, Israel OCCUPY PALESTINIANS.
And this is contrary to UN resolution which created the state of Israel itself. As an occupier Israel is responsible for the security and safety of the people instead it strangles, kill massively, humiliate, and committ a slow holocaust on palestinians.
The actions of Israel are Suicidal, the whole world bar United States do not support Israel actions which are embolding those who are against the existence of Israel itself.
The power of Gun has its limit Freedom and Justice for Palestinians will prevail.


diamond   January 3rd, 2009 10:10 pm ET

I am very disappointed to see that you have assumed Hamas tobe the guilty party.You are supposed tobe a news org and yet you act as sort of defacto spokesperson for Israelis.How do you acertain that Hamas was the only one that has violated the truce and poor Israelis are the victims?Did Israel not violate the truce a few times within last six months when they made incursion into GAZA? Did Israel not make a claim that Egypt fired first during the six day war?Yet what was and is the truth.It is indeed a shame that my country's policy is so partial.Do we really want peace in middle east?When you denude a people of their very human dignity then your guns and weapons can't do a whole lot of damage.You kill them but these people are already psycologically dead so what do you achieve?Fair peace means that Isreal has to stop occupying more and more land.We have tobe a fair and impartial broker which UNFORTUNATELY we are not.Oslo accord which was agreed upon by both side has been put aside by Israel.They have grabbed even more land and have built aso called security fence which by the way for Ari Fleischer's info is not a fence for a wall is a wall – in this case only 30 ft high running through land that belongs to Palestinian families for generations.For peace to take place we as Americans have to have courage and conviction to impose our will.Let me assure you that if the shoe was on the other foot and Israelis were bearing the brunt of the assult we would not be spectators.
Finally shame on you CNN for failing in performing your journalistic duty.I suggest that you check out what kind of fair coverage is being relayed by both BBC an AL-Jazira.


Lana   January 3rd, 2009 10:11 pm ET

@Vishal: CNN won't correct Israeli spokesman because the spokesman are mostly pro-Israel. Most of the media in the western world are. Get used to the Israeli side of the story always taking the spot light. That's just how it is my friend..sad yet true.


Matt (Stafford, VA)   January 3rd, 2009 10:11 pm ET

Palestinians aren't dying for peace. They are dying because Hamas decided to launch rockets into another country. The people of Palestine are not at fault here. And last I checked, NATO is not a sovereign territory.

Lana, your family is in my prayers.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 10:12 pm ET

There is political wrangling, and there is true concern for suffering. I would love to see more of the latter on this blog, and less of the former. Arguments will not solve our problems, only understanding.


RIJ   January 3rd, 2009 10:12 pm ET

Lana...Israel tried very hard to give Hamas a chance to govern. But, it took all of ONE DAY for Hamas to use their autonomy in 2005, when Israel completely removed its presence from Gaza, to send its missiles into Israeli towns and terrorize the population.

Israel would have had plenty of justification for a military response in the past, but used other non-violent techniques to try to get Hamas to stop. But, no...Hamas instead continues its missiles and rhetoric that they will never make peace with Israel.

The 6 month ceasefire ended when Hamas refused every effort of Israel, Egypt, the US and even Abbas to maintain the calm. Instead, with great fanfare, they dramatically ratcheted up the number of missiles going into Israeli cities.

Israel must stamp out the vermin Hamas.


Emmanuel   January 3rd, 2009 10:12 pm ET

Dianne, I am from Europe originally, and I am shocked by the way some of the Western European News treat Israel, the reason is simple, there is still a deep antisemitism feeling in Europe on top of far left political bias. Israel can do no right.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 10:12 pm ET

Fouad lol needless to assume you did not vote for Obama lol it shows too.


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 10:12 pm ET

this is on cnn website:

SANCHEZ: And you know what we did? I've checked with some of the folks here at our international desk, and I went to them and asked, What was he talking about, and do we have any information on that? Which they confirmed, two months ago - this is back in November - there was an attack. It was an Israeli raid that took out six people.

Now, let me refer you - it's not just us. We've checked in other periodicals. Johnny (ph), go over my shoulder, if you can. Here we go. "The six-month ceasefire started coming apart at the beginning of November after Israeli commandos killed a team of Hamas fighters during a raid on a tunnel they suspected was being dug for kidnapping of Israeli soldiers. That raid set off more Palestinian rocketing." That's "U.S. News and World Report."

I got another one for you, I believe, here. OK, this is "The Guardian" - questionable, but nonetheless. "A four-month ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza was in jeopardy today" - this was actually reported when it happened - "after Israeli troops killed six gunmen in a raid in the territory." That's important to report.

And here we go, as well, from the Economist.com, and the point of contention here is this one. Johnny, one more. "The last straw came in November, when Israelis killed six gunmen it said were digging tunnels to launch a raid onto Israel, spurring Hamas to respond with a barrage of rockets."

So the question as to who started this - and we've been hearing that the Israelis say they had to do this because, suddenly, the ceasefire had been broken in Gaza by the Hamas and the Palestinians. Is this now a little more in question?


Lynne   January 3rd, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Lana: I am not sure where you get your "facts." All of them are inaccurate, but the most egregious misstatement is that the Israelis somehow have control over the Gazan's daily life. Are you aware that there is no such thing as an ethnic Palestinian? Originally, the land was called "Palestine, Homeland of the Jews." This was prior to WWII. The Arabs created the term Palestinian to create the perception around the world that they somehow had a right to the Judeo-Christian Holy Land. This enabled them to lay claim to the land after WWII and later created the refugee crisis that exists there today.

The reason there is no infrastructure and support for the poor people who live in Gaza today is because they are being fed lies in their schools which result in them electing a terrorist organization to lead them...This terrorist organization utilizes all of its resources to wage war on another country instead of building infrastructure and feeding its people. Instead, it keeps them in refugee camps for years and years but somehow finds resources to buy rockets and missiles. You should really take a better look at history.


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 10:13 pm ET

that's why matt

the bosnia-nato
is a different story because it is not a sovereignty

palestine is a sovereigntry and so israel is..........

you don't get, be open minded, you have been brain clogged by information fed by not-so-informative information........


Lana   January 3rd, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Thank you Matt, you are kind. Many people around the world are praying for the quick end to this terrible reality.


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Barukh atah adonai...shehekhyanu vekiyamanu vehigianu lazman hazeh...Blessed be Thou...for giving us life,for sustaining us,and for enabling us to reach this day...BLESS US ALL for they are not representing the People of Scripture Whom made mistakes in the past.


Mary   January 3rd, 2009 10:15 pm ET

This war is so wrong. Of all people on earth the Jews should know what it is like to be locked in an area without access to food water drugs and then have an army like Isaeli Army attack innocent people who have nothing. It is beyond sad to see Palestinians throw stones at Men with guns, bombs, airplanes and all provided by the us. THIS HAS GOT TO STOP!


reggie joseph   January 3rd, 2009 10:15 pm ET

When will someone with any moral authority stand up and say this must stop. The have no airforce, no navy, a rag tag group of fighters who are fed up. It's a disgrace. They fire make-shift rockets that kill4, and Isreal responds by bombing a small city killing hundreds. And every network, like cowardly sheep say the same thing. How can you live with yourselves. I'm sickened. As a African American who knows no Jews or Palestinians, I'm ashamed to be an American. I see no difference between the Jews and the Nazi's


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 10:15 pm ET

hey, a report by richard wolffe says that even journalists in the united nations are at odds with this conflict.........

oh how the world has been torn by this


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 10:16 pm ET

Peace to Israel is having total control and getting its way 100%. It does not concern itself with the massacre it is doing. Shame on you Bush, but you enjoy war at any cost.


DeanF High Point, NC   January 3rd, 2009 10:16 pm ET

Matt (Stafford, VA) do you really know people or a country that just loves firing misiles at others for the fun of it?
Are you naive or plain stupid?


steve   January 3rd, 2009 10:16 pm ET

Wolf – The Arabs and Israelis have been fighting for over 50 years. It's time for this war to end. The UN has passed resolutions on where the borders are between the two countries and they should be implemented. Israel say it wants peace. If this is true, then why won't they give the land back to the Palestinians. Israel should go back to its legitimate borders. It giving the land back doesn't work, then they can always go back to fighting.

Steve,
Phila, Pa


Uche Ozoemelam   January 3rd, 2009 10:17 pm ET

Hi,
We have all forgotten about the origin of this problem. From the Biblical perspective, the disbelieve that Abraham had on Gods promise for a child that made him accept Sarah, his wife suggestion to take Haggai her maid, to bear him the promised child lead to Gods pronouncement or should I say a curse on Ishmael. What is happening has divine connotation.There will never be peace between the two blood brother till the end of time. No amount of peace process would lead to any solution.
Read Genesis chapters 15 and 16. for an insight.


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 10:17 pm ET

WE ARE ALL FROM SAME FATHER...OUR FATHER ABRAHAM...let us pray and stop this madness of BROTHERS KILLING BROTHERS AND OUR BROTHERS CHILDREN...


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 10:17 pm ET

DeanF: that sounds like us in Iraq


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 10:18 pm ET

good point dean, matt is certainly out of bounds of fairness,

but it's his opinion what can we do, he can only change it after realizing what atrocities israel had done to the people of palestine


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 10:19 pm ET

Emmanuel
On this side of the world, Israel can do no wrong. I have even heard fairer reporting in Asia, not just Europe


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 10:19 pm ET

i agree with you mario, lets pray for the end of this.........

but this has just started of a big event to occur next


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 10:20 pm ET

dianne, i suggest that we do the news or search the news on al jazeera, they have even fairer news at this events


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 10:20 pm ET

The Great Government of Iran SUPPORT THE PEOPLE OF PALESTAINE and shares their suffers AND ISRAEL MUST STOP...


Jacqueline   January 3rd, 2009 10:21 pm ET

I like Tom's comments, he is right. You should have him on the show.


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 10:22 pm ET

Good neighboors don't take over their neighboors houses and kicking them out and starve them to death...


Ethel   January 3rd, 2009 10:23 pm ET

It was said that things would improve if Israel leaves the so called "occupied" territories.........well, they did evacuate Gaza and where did it get them??? The Palestinians were shooting even more kassam rockets then ever after the evacuation. They are not normal people and the world has to understand that they cannot be reasoned with. All they want to do is destroy Israel and it's people. Anyone that is taught to be a suicide bomber has no value for life, and only understands violence.

Israel is the bully???? they're not the ones strapping bombs to themselves and then getting on a bus full of people and detonating themselves in the name of Allah and 72 virgins, or entering a yeshiva and shooting children dead while they are learning, or shooting rockets into a school or someones home!!!!

Unfortunately innocent Palestinians are getting killed because Hamas does it's bombing from private homes so that they can blame Israel for the deaths of innocent people, when they retaliate those locations....they are thugs and the UN needs to soo that!!!


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 10:23 pm ET

By going in and killing scores more in Gaza, not only will Israel eventually lose (not even the US can win a guerrilla war), but will fuel recruitment to Hamas. What do expect a man to do when his family has been killed by an Israeli bomb?


Matt (Stafford, VA)   January 3rd, 2009 10:23 pm ET

I don't agree with the assessment that my mind is clouded by misinformation. On the contrary, I have watched this situation unfold on CNN, the read up about it on various news sites, then looked at some history of Hamas, and then at the current equipment in the IDF arsenal.

I have concluded that:

1. Hamas (not the Palestinians) broke the ceasefire

2. Israel is not using their full arsenal. While I would like to see greater use of Apache's and Super Cobras, while decreasing air strikes, the Israelis are showing restraint.

3. Israel should at least allow aid workers into Gaza. While I understand the situation is dangerous, an airlift would bypass this danger.

4. Israel should allow civilian casualties into Israel for medical treatment, or have some program set up ensuring they are cared for.

Again, I think that troops on the ground should allow for a cessation of air strikes. The helicopter gunships are more then capable of taking down targets, and they cause much less collateral damage.


Simply the Truth   January 3rd, 2009 10:23 pm ET

The only atrocities occurring are the Hamas terrorizing of innocent Israelis and innocent Palestinians.

Israel is responding by carefully going after Hamas installations and trying to remove a terror organization and give a moderate Palestinian leadership a chance to govern.

All unfortunate civilian deaths (80 out of 400) are directly due to Hamas using its own citizens as shields by putting their militants in civilian neighborhoods. What civilized people would do this??? Shame. Shame. Thank you Israel for removing this horror of Hamas.


DeanF High Point, NC   January 3rd, 2009 10:24 pm ET

The two biggest liers in the community of nations are USA and Israel. Don't believe one word that comes out of their propoganda machines!
They are Gog and Magog!

The world is not at peace today simply because of these two nations. This nefarious relationship will end up leading the world to its extinction!


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Hamas has held the people of Gaza hostage ever since their illegal coup against the forces of (Palestinian) President Mahmoud Abbas

Israeli troops were reported to be engaged in heavy clashes with Hamas fighters in northern Gaza.

Earlier, Israel intensified air and artillery attacks on the territory.
The US said it had told Israel's government that military action must be "mindful of the potential consequences to civilians." The State Department also said Washington is "deeply concerned about the humanitarian situation" in Gaza, but said in a statement that Hamas holds the people of Gaza hostage. THIS IS ON BBC i guess there also in conspericy to kill Gaza.


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 10:24 pm ET

matt:

SANCHEZ: And you know what we did? I’ve checked with some of the folks here at our international desk, and I went to them and asked, What was he talking about, and do we have any information on that? Which they confirmed, two months ago — this is back in November — there was an attack. It was an Israeli raid that took out six people.

Now, let me refer you — it’s not just us. We’ve checked in other periodicals. Johnny (ph), go over my shoulder, if you can. Here we go. “The six-month ceasefire started coming apart at the beginning of November after Israeli commandos killed a team of Hamas fighters during a raid on a tunnel they suspected was being dug for kidnapping of Israeli soldiers. That raid set off more Palestinian rocketing.” That’s “U.S. News and World Report.”

I got another one for you, I believe, here. OK, this is “The Guardian” — questionable, but nonetheless. “A four-month ceasefire between Israel and Palestinian militants in Gaza was in jeopardy today” — this was actually reported when it happened — “after Israeli troops killed six gunmen in a raid in the territory.” That’s important to report.

And here we go, as well, from the Economist.com, and the point of contention here is this one. Johnny, one more. “The last straw came in November, when Israelis killed six gunmen it said were digging tunnels to launch a raid onto Israel, spurring Hamas to respond with a barrage of rockets.”

So the question as to who started this — and we’ve been hearing that the Israelis say they had to do this because, suddenly, the ceasefire had been broken in Gaza by the Hamas and the Palestinians. Is this now a little more in question?


Jo Ann, Ohio   January 3rd, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Fouad, You are drawing a lot of assumptions based on my comment..

I think both sides are at fault, but I also think that the US does play a part in what happens over there and any perceived weakness by the US president will be exploited.


henry c. smith   January 3rd, 2009 10:25 pm ET

christianne aminpour and michael (?) are the only two unbiased reporters on cnn. too many jewish hosts and house reporters. cnn needs to do some overhauling.

the world is watching you, israel. the same way they watched the idiot bush.


Michele   January 3rd, 2009 10:25 pm ET

Quuen Noor is a lovely woman and perhaps her heart is in the right place, caring for the welfare of those caught in this terrible conflict.

However – Israel is merely defending itself, as it has been forced to do for as long as I can remember.

Hamas started it and the Palestinians shelter and encourage them. Instead of railing at the Israeli's, perhaps Queen Noor should be railing at the terrorists and those who harbor them – including those in her own country.

That said – I pray for a peaceful resolution and agreements that will be accptable to both sides. I pray for an end to the Muslim hatred and intolerance. I pray for a world where all can coexist in peace..


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 10:27 pm ET

International Zionist Conspiracy quacks should really examine their Nazi bedfellows.


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 10:28 pm ET

Props to CNN reporters for standing up to Regev's disillusioned comments


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 10:30 pm ET

DeanF High Point, NC sounds like you will be moving to Alabama too by your post lol. you too take up for the Israeli government as i did, it wont be long you will get that order to move as well as i did lol, im just waiting on the money to move me arrives, hahahah.


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 10:30 pm ET

hi matt
i read your comments,

and i guess you lacked one more information

yesterday, cnn reported that most international reporters are banned by israe4l to enter gaza, and a cnn reporter, not nic robertson (he's overly biased, i like amanpour to be there she's fairer), had afterwords saying, we know mostly the reason, israel doesn't allow reporters to cover the situiation for israel doesn't want to know what is happening in gaza, for it is afraid to show it's acts that are against the accords signed in the international law...........

israel even knows how hard it pushed the law, to circumvent it to its favor, much like how the u.s. is influencing evrybody to think that what they have done in iraq is right and appropriate even though the security council even refused to give its support..............

oh my god, israel in on the tv spreadin false news and information, do they have conscience?


Lana   January 3rd, 2009 10:30 pm ET

Lynn this is what you said: The Arabs created the term Palestinian to create the perception around the world that they somehow had a right to the Judeo-Christian Holy Land.

Firstly, the Jews are the masters of creating terms. It doesn't matter if the Arabs created the term Palestine or not, the fact is that the population of that land where Israel is today was for hundreds of years overwhelmingly Arab. What do you think Israel is at war with? A Ghost? There were people living there, the Palestinian people, when the Jews decided to occupy the land in 1948. It takes two to tango!!

The Jews keep talking about the how the Holy Land was promised to them by God. As a Muslim, in the Qu'ran, it confirms it incase you didn't know. The Palestinians know that the Holy Land was promised for the children of Israel. But then the Israelis defied God and so God exiled them. That is why in Israel there are so many accents! After WWII the Jews collected themsevles from around the world and took over the Holy Land, killing even the British that were there in the process.

Zionism is a direct violation of the Torah. Anyway, Zionism was created by an Athiest called Theadore Hertzl, who's first idea was to convert the Jews to Christianity. I read my history Lynn, you obviously didn't.


Ethel   January 3rd, 2009 10:30 pm ET

Remember--– the Palestinians were dancing in the street the day of 9-11.............. Don't ever forget that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 10:30 pm ET

The year of two mils and NINE(DEATH) shall come to those that call themselves chosen to prove their willing of meeting Adonai...Bloods of the same Father shed the blood of each other in the DAY of given time of....in front of the EYES OF THEIR CHILDREN'S DEAD BODIES...and for enabling us to reach this day...


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 10:31 pm ET

Jo Ann,

I don't play political correctness, Israel has been running this country for a while. and it is time for us to take it back.


amina   January 3rd, 2009 10:31 pm ET

It is uncanny how the American government has brainwashed it's people into believing that Israel is a victim in the middle east when it was the west that foisted it's Jews onto a people living in their homeland. Since 1948 the ultimate goal of the Israeli govt has been to wipe out the Palestinian population in Palestine in order to claim the entire area. There is no doubt when you go back and read history that the initial idea of the creation of Israel was to rid Europe of it's
"Jewish problem" During wwII if it had not been for the middle east soldiers fighting for the allies, especially the Egyptians (who bore the brunt of Rommels desert attack in North Africa) and the Algerians, then France and all of Europe would still be under Nazi occupation. Is this how the west repays the middle east by taking it's land and giving it away as they please ? The elections which brought Hamas into power were supervised by observers such as Jimmy Carter who has stated many times that it was a fair election. The people of Palestine voted in the Hamas because the west refused to negotiate with Arafat while holding him and the entire Palestinian people hostage; most of the past few years Gaza has been under siege from each and every direction including up in the air and below ground. You speak of the Hamas rockets as though they were F16 fighters and not the fire crackers they are, you ignore the fact that apartheid is not dead,(Israel was the only country trading with south Africa while it was under sanctions for apartheid ) the manner in which Israel treats everyone but Jews is deplorable, No one wants to see war and especially not like this. Gaza is a concentration camp. No water, no electricity no medicine, no nothing. You cannot continue talking of a subject without being neutral and reading and asking and learning of how this came about. There are many Palestinian Christians who are just as mistreated as Palestinian Moslems but the Israeli govt want the world to think that they are "protecting" the world from terrorism by killing off as many Palestinians as possible.....weapons of mass destruction loom in the shape of pebbles thrown by youth who are under siege and have no life. King David p.b.u was a just prophet and killed Goliath with a stone....now it is that the Israelis are the bullies killing off as many Palestinians as possible. They use cluster bombs, they use napalm, they use chemical weapons, mines and radio active waste. I know because I worked as a volunteer in the 1973 war in a hospital in Cairo and I saw the result that these weapons wreak. We also caught an Israeli spy coming into the hospital under the pretext that he was to visit some one and he had with him a box of plastic explosives in a box of chocolates, shaped like chocolates, i suppose they never thought that the Egyptians would be smart enought to catch him. You remember what the devil's favourite sin is ? Vanity,
Until today there are still mines in Sinai and the Red Sea area. You cannot convince a normal person that it is not the right of an occupied person to fight occupation when it is killing them hour by hour. There are rules to occupation agreed to by 4 Geneva conventions, rules which are flauntingly ignored by Israel, it is no doubt the Israeli Mossad who coached the Abu Ghreib prison officers,just as they had learned from the Nazis(Ben Gurion ). Palestinian suicide bombers have nothing to gain by living, perhaps if they did have something to gain then they would not commit suicide by trying to get rid of their occupiers....can you tell me that the French resistance or the European resistance were terrorists for fighting Nazi occupation? Well Palestinians are also fighting an occupation and should not be called terrorists for that duty, but rather what they are, freedom fighters or resistance movement. I do not recall that the Irish Republican Army were called Catholic terrorists for fighting British occupation for 500 years and they are now political leaders; but the Haganah on the other hand were terrorists and they are now the government of Israel. You are aware that even in Israel there are many who are opposed to this systematic genocide perpetrated by the Israeli gov. Egypt has opened it's border to allow the wounded Palestinians to come in for treatment, but Egypt cannot accept an exodus of Palestinians because it is a trap by the Israeli govt and it's lapdog, Bush, to get as many Palestinians out of Palestinian territories by any means so that the empty areas can be occupied by Israelis. The settlements which you claim are being hit by Hamas rockets should not be there as they are illegal according to the world and the UN resolutions and the Geneva convention . The only solution to this problem is for two separate states to exist in the area,It must be workded out if we are all to survive. Remember, each sorti by an F16 or Blackhawk or bombing not only rocks the earh below, but further harms the ozone layer; the problem is not Hamas , the problem is that Israel does not want to share a land that is not theirs. If you claim that according to the Bible it is, then also according to the Bible and the Koran Jesus p.b.u will come down and then we will all know. And remember, after Mosesp.b.u (who had been brought up in the house of Pharaoh) took the Jews out of Egypt when God opened the Red Sea for them to pass to Sinai and then when they had passed caused it to close on Pharaoh and his army, when the Jews got to the other side and He showered them with manna and honey and made water come out of rocks. when Moses p.b.u went up to the mount to get the commandments he came down to find them worshipping a golden calf that made a sound when the wind went through it.....please this is after they were just saved by an incredible miracle...
when I was in Israel once, I asked a few persons this question: you are a Jew and you believe in God...
before I got to the end of the question i was interrupted
"no no I',m a Jew but i don't believe in God"
"but how can that be" i asked"Jews believe in God"
"not all Jews, I am of the Jewish race, nation, by race i am a Jew, that doesn't mean i have to believe in God.."
It is a statement i heard over and over and over,
Fact: according to the Jews they are a race before being a religion.
is there a Christian race ...a Moslem race....a Buddhist race....??
No because belief and faith comes from the heart, not from the colour of your skin or the shape of your head.....but that is not what I learned in Israel. I also learned that many living in Israel are against what the IDF (defense force for goodness sake? why not army ? another pr trick to make the world think that Israel needs to defend itself.
During the Johnson presidency Golda Meir came to visit and to ask for more arms , as usual, when Johnson balked, Golda jokingly told him, if you give me what I want, I'll give you back New York and Florida.


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 10:32 pm ET

CNN you do need to look at yourself and ask why not tell the whole truth and nothing but the true. I know you want.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 10:33 pm ET

No Fouad, you play typical pro-Arab one-sidedness and ignorance of Arab oppression of the Palestinian people.


concered/Denver Colorado   January 3rd, 2009 10:33 pm ET

Didn't Gaza know that if Homas kept throwing those rocks that Iraeli would come at them?


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 10:34 pm ET

henry c. smith you know what, its funny how people call bush a idiot, hummm what country have you been the leader of?


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 10:34 pm ET

Ethel,

some did dance, remember The US government supplied Israel the war machine that butcher them for the last 60 years, why should they love you?


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 10:34 pm ET

Yes Ethel I remember. How many times over and over has Israel killed their ctizens and the US did not allow the UN to saction Israel. It is a two way street unfortunately.


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 10:35 pm ET

...horrified left wide open EYES OF DEAD CHILDREN...where you think you are going and what you think you are going to gain ...EXCEPT DEATH...ElMOULEH...shehekhyanu vehigianu lazman hazeh.


Lana   January 3rd, 2009 10:36 pm ET

The Americans will continue to support Israel because Israel is a western station in the Oil-Rich middle east. The U.S. needs it to have some power in the region. Why should anyway trust what America says anymore? Why should anyone agree with anything American says anymore? If America supports Israel, then you should do the opposite, support Palestine. The American government has been behind wars and genocide in the past 8 years and for them to support Israel means that they are supporting more genocide.


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Israel had already come not keeping with the treaty before the rockets.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Lana,

I pray for your family in Palestine, as I do for mine in Israel. It is the politicians who do this, not the people. At the same time, comments like "the Jews are the masters of creating terms" are hurtful and not conducive to trust.

You conveniently allude to WWII without needing to mention why the mass exodus, as well as the fact that along with Palestinians, Druze, Bedouins, and others there HAVE ALWAYS BEEN JEWS IN ISRAEL/PALESTINE. And Hertzl may have pioneered the dream, but it was devout Eastern European Jews who committed to making it a reality. And pardon us for showing up when even the US refused our plight of genocide.


Louise Welch   January 3rd, 2009 10:37 pm ET

Queen Noor should go live in Gaza and help those people if she is so concerned. Why did she leave her Arabian country when he husband died? Go figure.
First of all, Israel gave the land of Gaza in a trade for peace (Road Map to Peace). They gave the land in order to have some peace for a change.....The people (Israel) gave up their land and homes and relocated to Israel in exchange for peace. Do you not remember seeing how hard it was on the Israeli people to just up and leave their homes, gardens and livelyhood.....
Attacks on Israel is not acceptable....Not kosher...So if the Palenstine people want Israel to stop the attack, then they better get back to peace talks....And in a hurry,... The hamas can't even get along with their own government....Thats why they were sent to Gaza by the Palenstine government.
Pray for peace.


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 10:37 pm ET

Dianne would you go to Gaza at this moment and ask them there side? lol i wont, this war aint CNN"s fault and they have to report it as they see it.


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 10:38 pm ET

wow, i like your piece amina!!!!!!!!!!!!


henry c. smith   January 3rd, 2009 10:39 pm ET

vince in georgia.......

bush is an idiot. idiots are dangerous.


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 10:40 pm ET

No, CNN isnot suppose to report as they see it. If they cannot give the complete then donot give half . Half a lie is still alie.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 10:41 pm ET

Amina

Jews come in all colors, from all regions of the world. We may connect to our Jewishness differently, but I should hope we all connect to our humanity. Jews, Christians, and Muslims all worship the same God or Allah, who loves us all and wishes us to love each other.


Lana   January 3rd, 2009 10:42 pm ET

Again to the people of this blog: Hamas is an elected organization, elected, ELECTED, by the Palestinian people to represent them. They are not a terrorist organization. The cease fire was broken by Israel and even Queen Noor said that. The Israeli troops kept comming in sporatically and killing Palestinians. The rockets not offensive, but deffensive, because the Palestinian people are living under terrible conditions. They are occupied. What do you want occupied people to do? Sit down and have tea? They will fight, they must fight! Israel needs to know that they cannot ethnically cleanse the indigenous people of the Holy Land. The Jews were always welcome to live withv us in peace, but from 1948, they wanted to take over Palestine and turn it into a pure Jewish state for the Jews, by the Jews. This cannot be done!


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 10:42 pm ET

the only change I've seen after Obama's election is in his promises and personality


DeanF High Point, NC   January 3rd, 2009 10:43 pm ET

Daniel Powell, you asked a trillion dollar question-what makes the jews so special? Don't you recall, they are "God's Chosen People"?

So, now I ask you, what is that supposed to mean? Chosen for what?

Here's what I think it means-Jews are God's Chosen People in only one sense and one sense alone. They were chosen by God for EXTREME REHABILITATION!!!

God had to send more wise and prophetic messengers to the Jews, thousands and thousands, as mentioned in the Bible-than any other single race on this planet, in order to bring about their rehabiltation!

From Abraham, to Moses to David and finally according to Christians God even comes down himself disguised as His own son-Jesus to bring salavation to the Jews- and even that did not help! They not only reject him, but manipulated the Romans into crucifying him. Do you now see why the Jews were chosen by God for such intense and extreme rehabiltaion?

This is why Jews are God's Chosen People!


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 10:43 pm ET

oh my god........

the united nations is still making itself a limp among the worldis international organization, the security council have not agreed on what response it will take regarding israel's incursions toward Gaza..........

the un should take a stiffer stand, now that they are loosening up their credibilty to maintain peace and order in the world............

i guess the u.s. forced the issue of its alliance to the israelis..........

wow, bravo for the french, nicolas sarkozy is going to take a stand of which bush had not take, i thought sarkozy's gonna visit the region


Matt (Stafford, VA)   January 3rd, 2009 10:44 pm ET

Gabriel, I second that.


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 10:46 pm ET

Gabriel,

name one oppression by an arab country of the palestinians? Unless you are referring to the christian Arabs in Lebanon who allied with Israel in 1982 to cleanse Palestinians in the refugee camps.

Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Kuwait...etc. all took Palestinian refugees, you reflect a typical Israeli propaganda that Arab land is big enough to accomodate all palestinians and clear the land for new Israeli settlement.

Arab countries took enough refugees, who need to go back to their homes, because that's their wish, everyone rathers their bed no matter the generosity of the host.


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 10:46 pm ET

Vishal,
The US Constitution does not give him any Presidential powers at this time. The US Constitutional President powers remain with Bush until 01/20/09. One President for one nation, USA at a time. One should not usurp powers that have not been bestowed upon him by the Constitution.


Lana   January 3rd, 2009 10:48 pm ET

Gabriel,

I am sorry, I should have said "The Zionist are the masters of creating terms." Actually my best friend is Jewish and my great grandmother is Jewish from my mother's side. So I am not against the Jews, but I am agains the concept of taking over a land the belongs to not only the Jews but the Arabs too. Israel has taken over most the land, what is left for the Palestinians?

Having said that my great grand mother is Jewish confirms that yes there were Jews before WWII living in the Holy Land. And even if 100,000,000,000 more came after WWII, it doesn't matter with the Palestinians. What matters is occupying the land and creating a state for only the Jewish people. Why didn't the Jews include the Palestinians in creating a state together? Today even the Arab-Israelis are treated like third class citizens, if that.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 10:48 pm ET

Dean

I believe that chosen means a responsibility to teach the world, as our prophets (including brother Yeshua) have tried to do. We are people, and we fail, but our Torah requires us to try! Should we not all try to be better? Can the Arab and Muslim world try also to examine its faults, problems, and atrocities? Israeli government, replete with human rights abuses, is nonetheless a pussycat when compared with the totalitarian, anti-pluralist regions endemic to the region. Why are gays hung? Why were the Jews expelled from these countries? Why do Christians suffer as minorities? 2009 should be a sober year of self-reflection for us ALL.


Pat from the Philippines   January 3rd, 2009 10:48 pm ET

okay, now this time, ihave to agree with you matt and gabriel.....

now guyus we don't have to generalize the israeli people, the jews, by one..........

clearly it is not them to blame of this atrocities, it is there government..............

the israeli government is to blame, and we should not be afraid to blame them of their unmeasured acts,................

and there is a political nature of this attack, the elections in israel is nearing and an attack like this is an act for improving one candidates credibilty to run for the office, maybe tzipni has to say about this........she's in the running for israeli's highest post, and she needs this boost


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 10:49 pm ET

Fouad,

Where do they live? Refugee camps!!! Integrated into society - no! Lies will not solve conflicts!!!


anwar   January 3rd, 2009 10:50 pm ET

Reading avove comments.....we see not many still addressing the main issues:

1. Occupation of palistine;
2. Controlling palestinians lives in the west bank and gaza;
3. Refugees
4. The right for Self determination;

One cannot continue ignoring the systematic humilation of palestinians by the isreali occupayors

be fair and dont start with issues as they just came to exist...this is an occupation that has been going on for a long time, An occupation that have been kept away from free media and fair reporting. An occupation that have been for a long time supported by western govn. and mainly US administrations.

An occupation that would not have lasted so long should the world been fair to the Palestinians, not only help them migrate to where evre for better life for them and for thier children.

Things dont die, Isreal know that.

Please discuss the main issue.....Occupation, Occuption, Occupation.


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 10:50 pm ET

Dianne: I understand that, but this atrocity calls for condemnation like he did with Mumbai... this is what I said much earlier

"Obama, show us your the guy we voted for, everyone knows you cant do anything yet, but please encourage a ceasefire… condemn the deaths…. make any kind of statement"


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 10:52 pm ET

Dean that is the old testament. We are suppose to live according to the new testament and that is not there. That is why God sent his Son on behalf of all mankind. He so love the world that he gave his only begotten son.....


vince in georgia   January 3rd, 2009 10:52 pm ET

Dianne cnn has a resident of Gaza on now. so i think cnn is giveing equal coverage. its a shame all we get to see in any news report from any agency is something bad, why cant we see something good? this is not a peace loveing world by no means, never has now ever will be it seems.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 10:52 pm ET

Lana,

Arab-Israelis suffer as minorities, no question. Palestinians displaced, absolutely. But Israel as the chief oppressor of the region - PLEASE!!!


anwar   January 3rd, 2009 10:53 pm ET

Any one recieves such note on their comments???

Duplicate comment detected; it looks as though you've already said that!

Reading avove comments.....we see not many still addressing the main issues:

1. Occupation of palistine;
2. Controlling palestinians lives in the west bank and gaza;
3. Refugees
4. The right for Self determination;

One cannot continue ignoring the systematic humilation of palestinians by the isreali occupayors

be fair and dont start with issues as they just came to exist...this is an occupation that has been going on for a long time, An occupation that have been kept away from free media and fair reporting. An occupation that have been for a long time supported by western govn. and mainly US administrations.

An occupation that would not have lasted so long should the world been fair to the Palestinians, not only help them migrate to where evre for better life for them and for thier children.

Things dont die, Isreal know that.

Please discuss the main issue.....Occupation, Occuption, Occupation.


Matt (Stafford, VA)   January 3rd, 2009 10:53 pm ET

Pat, you hit the nail square on the head. While I may side with Israel, you may side with Palestine, who are we really supporting? We debate the politics, the policy, the exact terms, all the BS that is worthless.

The fact remains that both Israeli citizens and Palestinians live in fear tonight. Palestinians of what is happening now, and Israelis of what what may come as day breaks. Bottom line, Christian, Muslim, Jew, Hindu, Buddhist, nobody deserves this kind of existence.


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 10:54 pm ET

We have been hearing for days Israel side, One interview and you consider that equal


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 10:56 pm ET

Israel is the cheif oppressor with the US arsenal


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 10:56 pm ET

Ubneichem Yehiyu Roim Bamidbar Arbaim Shana..."And Your Children Shall Wander in The Wilderness Forty Years..."Don't bring that upon yourselves again.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 10:57 pm ET

Dianne

I'd love to have dialogue, but you just seem ignorantly one-sided. Who else is armed in the region - everyone! Who abuses human rights - everyone!! Who allies with Israel - no one. Even the US obviously has its own interests.

I'm sorry you hate Israel so much. Go visit and you might learn something.


DeanF High Point, NC   January 3rd, 2009 10:59 pm ET

"Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall inherit the earth."

Does anyone see any real peacemakers around anywhere, right now? NOT!!!

I voted for Obama, even worked hard to get out the votes and for voter registration drives. Even made financial contributions over the Internet. Boy, am I dissappointed in Obama's lack of involvement-not a word from him on this mess-acare. Already beginning to doubt Obama's integrity. I guess we live and learn! Obama-one term President!


anwar   January 3rd, 2009 11:00 pm ET

Listening to the US Rep to the UN on CNN Now, suggests that all first class Universities in the US are ligitamate targets in any conflict by the fact that these univesities do scientific reseach....should one bomb Clumbia...Harvard. Stanford...etc. it is a Joke indeed.

How should we as americans be separated in any conflict from our leadership?

Laughable indeed


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 11:00 pm ET

Gabriel,

Apparently you like to go in circles, it's simple Israel stole the land and needs to give it back. it's not welcomed in the neighborhood and never was. How difficult is that to understand?


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:00 pm ET

Mario

We are all still in the desert, and the promised land remains over the mountain! As a great singer once sang, the promised land is a state of mind. And as I see it, the people of the Earth seem determined to look backwards.


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:02 pm ET

Perhaps this throwing of rocks by hamas b.f.a, is the plan set by Iran, so they get in on the Israel action. If Iran has been supplying hamas b.f.a, then they know the missiles would only provoke, not really do anything. And they also know that Israel would have to defend themselves, and it's going according to the Iranian b.f.a, plan.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:02 pm ET

Very. So where does Israel go? Just disappear. That would be genocide no, or displacement. PURE HYPOCRISY AND SHEER HATRED.

And who has the right to "welcome." The region has always been occupied. Rome, Greece, Turkey, Britain. We are all refugees, and until you can validate a competing claim, you are simply a militant with hate in your heart and no room for the other.


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 11:03 pm ET

No I donot hate Israel. I hate the murders Israel perpetuates on others. I have been brought up and educated that one is not ignorant because one possesses different view point. Name calling is the final straw when you cannot debate issue fairly. In America, we have the right to express our thoughts. As many times as I have written on LKL blog, whether I agree or not, I have never resorted to caling anyone"ignoranr". I donot consider you are myself ignorant because we disgree. I welcome your comment otherwise. Thank You


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 11:04 pm ET

well said Dianne


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:06 pm ET

Dianne,

I was responding to a very simplistic statement about Israel as the oppressor. That kind of simplicity smacks of ignorance to me. I would be glad to know that it's a misrepresentation of a more informed and nuanced view of regional politics. Opinions are great, I didn't tell you not to speak, that's what democracy is all about. Try free speech in the Middle East outside Israel and see where it gets you. The thing about free speech is you get to argue back, and you get to call someone out on shockingly reductive statements. Opinions should be spoken, but it doesn't make them based on fact.


DeanF High Point, NC   January 3rd, 2009 11:08 pm ET

Dianne, I don't see how that changes anything, unless of course you are implying that now Christians are Gods' Chosen People?

Anyhow, I don't believe that God abrogated His previous admonitions and commandments for a brand new one. I believe in the continuity and consistency of His Word from the beginning to the end. Only humans change their minds on a whim. God is different!


anwar   January 3rd, 2009 11:09 pm ET

which Church Bush pray at? How is he facing the Lord while this massacre is taking place under his nose and with his blessings


Matt (Stafford, VA)   January 3rd, 2009 11:09 pm ET

God doesn't choose people. People choose God. He loves us all equally.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:10 pm ET

Amen, Matt!!!


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 11:10 pm ET

Sof ma'ase Be mahshava tekhila...THE END OF A TASK IS IN ITS AFORETHOUGHT...TO TRUE CHILDREN OF ISRAEL THERE IS STILL TIME...


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 11:11 pm ET

Why are you guys discussing what's happening today on the basis what was written in your books thousands of years back?!?!


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 11:11 pm ET

There is nothing simple in calling anyone ignorant when there isnot an agreement. These blogs are to debate and learn other viewpoints and try to understand the world. To create thinking, not name calling.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:11 pm ET

Mario

Do you belong to an apocalyptic cult?


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:12 pm ET

Dianne,

If you read carefully, you would see that I wrote "seem." Obviously I don't know you, but I must say your commentary does little to convince me otherwise.


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:13 pm ET

Would this be happening right now if hamas,b.f.a. did not bomb Israel for the last 2 weeks? This is a yes or no question.


Dolly   January 3rd, 2009 11:14 pm ET

Facts on Gaza

Israel withdrew from all of Gaza more than three years ago in hopes of peace and a two-state solution. The situation in Israel however remains dire as rocket attacks upon them from Gaza continue each day.

While Israel and the Palestinians need a lasting peace Israel is no different from any other sovereign nation with an obligation to defend & protect their citizens from those who would kill them. This peace will only come when the Iran-backed terrorists are defeated.

Iran’s President continues to develop nuclear materials in defiance of the world while supporting, training and arming Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and others.stating he wants to “wipe Israel off the map.” Iran-backed Hezbollah attached Israel not long ago while continuing to support, train and armi Hamas, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah and others.

As we watch events unfold on the nightly news as in a TV series, we must recognize that this is reality, a reality which will most certainly spread to other parts of the world including here at home if terrorists groups such as Hamas are not stopped.

Dolly Miller-Brennan


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 11:14 pm ET

Dean see the differences in the same religion. It is what my religion taught me and I believe as you do yours. We are taught that the new testament is the guide to live our lives. Yours may or maynot be the same , and believe me I respect that. That is why wrote what I did.


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 11:15 pm ET

Francis: depends... has Israel been blockading Gaza for over a year and breaching the ceasefire as early as November?


DeanF High Point, NC   January 3rd, 2009 11:15 pm ET

Gabriel, I don't think Israelis are setting a very good example killing innocent women and children and being as unjust and unfair as they have been towards the Palestinians. Also, why do you reckon they have been suffering for over two thousand years now, have they not learnt anything from the Torah? You just made my point for me. Thanks!


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:15 pm ET

Vishal,

yes or no


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:17 pm ET

Francis

Frankly, I think it would have. The Israeli politicians need to prove their strength before the coming election, and would find any reason to attack Hamas unless they legitimately came to the table.

I am not in support of this strike. I think it's a tactical error that will backfire in the longrun, creating more fundamentalist terrorism rather than reducing it.

I don't think justification is the issue here. Blame is useless. How does peace, true fulfilling peace for all parties, come about, to me that is the real question.


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 11:18 pm ET

The mystry is in what you see...Ha shemesh will turn red and that is the sign.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:19 pm ET

And I DEPLORE any casualties of non-militia Palestinians. Hamas, however, is equally to blame in this tragedy, for hiding its centers in the midst of the innocent enabling a cynical critique of Israel.


Rose Lindsey Bennerr   January 3rd, 2009 11:19 pm ET

Larry. The majority of people in the world today are not not knowledgeable about the creation of the state of Israel and the circumstances involved therein. It would be to the advantage of all to try to look at the situation from a more informed and secular point of view.

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Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 11:19 pm ET

Gabriel you can dress it up anyway you like, however the word ignorant is not necessary because of disagreement. Ideas are ideas. Name calling in any fashion is not necessary. And yes Iread your statement . I still stand by unpostive words neeed not be part of intelligent debate


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:20 pm ET

Dean,

Do you think the bombs and missiles hamas b.f.a let fly were aimed at only military men? Why the double standard? Let's get real here. It sucks for both sides, and as usual, will have no good outcome for either side.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:20 pm ET

Dean

Your comments smack of anti-semitism. Who are you to evaluate the progress of my people? Who in the region has clean hands? In the world?

Let us ALL focus on our progress.


anwar   January 3rd, 2009 11:20 pm ET

Gabriel

I’m sorry you hate Israel so much. Go visit and you might learn something

You remind me with the lines of arguments of the 80s. come on be realistic....Occupation is still Occupation........please address the issue and not the outcomes........stop calling people names and decide for people how to make decisions and whom they should support..........stop decide for the palestinians what is good for them.......though we all share responsibility in this conflict......but the least we can do is to be sidelined and discuss trivial rather than main issues.......Isreal must just leave the occupied teritories...no more no less........if they still want to play with history and words and imaginative threates, then nothing will be achieved.

Isreal should styop the Game of Ifs ,, Ifs,,,ifs...we , we , we, our security our people our security,,,,,Isrealis are not of different breed.....no different than others in any way imaginable....

Isreal have fooled the world for so long and have gotten away with murders thoughout thier history, Dair yasse, Diar Qassem, Jenin, Gaza many times, Lebanon, Egypt.....please dont come and ask me when and how and why....though Why they did that is not only ligitamate for them and not applicable to hamas defending its people....against blockade and systematic sturvation of the people of gaza.....


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:21 pm ET

Gabe,

It was yes or no.


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 11:21 pm ET

Francis: I think I've already made my point... things are a lot more complex to be put in questions that conveniently justify your case


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 11:21 pm ET

Ve yedei moshe kuedim...


Sonya   January 3rd, 2009 11:22 pm ET

To say the violence now erupted because of some rockets fired by Hamas is to ignore the fact that there's been violence for decades and the very occupation itself of the territory is a violent thing.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:22 pm ET

Anwar

"Israel, Israel." It seems that one tiny state has caused so much suffering in the region, and everyone else is just suffering.

I hate how easy it is for pro-Arab argument to point the finger at one party in a very bankrupt region.


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:22 pm ET

vishal,,

yes or no?


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:24 pm ET

Francis,

In my opinion the Israeli military state was bound to strike sooner or later, and Hamas gave them an excuse to justify the action with its overt rejection of the ceasefire.

I don't think hard questions can be answered yes or no.


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 11:24 pm ET

Francis: you are not making a point other than the childishness of this conversation


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:25 pm ET

sonya,

yes or no?


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 11:26 pm ET

Remember Moshe ...no more... AD BA HASHEMESH...


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 11:26 pm ET

can a moderator block this dude or something? Its getting really annoying...


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:26 pm ET

Sonya and Anwar,

Occupation is a perspectival issue. Certainly a historic one. No one group has exclusive ties to that land, and no group should act like it does.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:27 pm ET

Vishal

Which one?!!


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:27 pm ET

vishal,

or maybe you just couldn't answer the question...


anwar   January 3rd, 2009 11:27 pm ET

Gabriel....WOW look around you..look at numbers.....military data....occupation figures......the region in the last 50 years...please just discuss the main issu of ocupation, blockade, refugees, ....

What have isreal achieved so far???

Should another generation of isrealis take over.....start fresh???


Matt (Stafford, VA)   January 3rd, 2009 11:28 pm ET

Look, Francis, war is never a matter of yes or no. There are too many details, too many eccentricities to account for. Would it have happened? What if Israel got intel that Hamas was ready to attack? What if Hamas shelled Israel even more? What if Israel used its MLRS and high end bombs? These questions cannot be given a yes or no answer.

If you ask my yes or no, I will respond with a request for you to kiss a certain part of my anatomy.


Sonya   January 3rd, 2009 11:28 pm ET

All I can say is that occupation of a country for such a long time is bound to create strong resistance which Israel and US label as terrorism and the rest of the world calls it the fight for freedom. The fact that Israel is occupying a country is the greatest terrorism of all time!!


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 11:30 pm ET

...and Moses' (God Bless Him) Hands were heavy and Aaron and Hur Suppoted His arms until SUNRISE...


Sonya   January 3rd, 2009 11:30 pm ET

People kicked out of their homes and land is terrorism. People will continue to fight until rights are achieved.


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:31 pm ET

Matt,,

Good one! My question wasn't a "what if",,,it was based on what happened. pretty simple really, but why can't anyone answer honestly?


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:32 pm ET

Anwar,

I'd like to see all the corrupt politicians of the region be replaced by soulful leaders with compassion and learning. If you fail to see how Palestinians have also been manipulated and abused by their own officials and the supposedly symphathetic surrounding countries, then there's really nothing I can say. And if you believe that it is all about Zionist occupation, what is your solution?

Or should I say, FINAL SOLUTION?


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:33 pm ET

Sonya,

What about Israeli rights? Do these not matter too?


Sonya   January 3rd, 2009 11:34 pm ET

It truly amazes me that jews cry tears over their holocaust yet they are putting Palestinians through hell............that is what I call double standard people!!!


Mario Namini   January 3rd, 2009 11:34 pm ET

...Beware, the Lord's tenacity...


anwar   January 3rd, 2009 11:35 pm ET

any one folowing on the protest against the war in gaza and against the Blockage......taking place in Tel aviv ....are they worng ..are they against Isreal...are they anti-semits???

Indeed isreal need to get rid of its historic leadership, Isrealis must take control of thier lives
Isrealis do need to detach themselves from the on going leadership
Isrealis must be liberated.........so many are tired of being subjegated to those people agenda

We shall help liberate isrealis .....now is the time


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 11:35 pm ET

It is useless to talk about the past or solutions that cannot rationally be enforced. What needs to be done NOW is a ceasefire. For that to happen, the US has to take an unbiased stand... something it has refused to do in the past.


Sonya   January 3rd, 2009 11:35 pm ET

Gabriel if Israel wants rights then it MUST respect the rights of Palestinians....... not build settlements on their land,.. not control their daily lives....... it is two way street


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:35 pm ET

Sonya,

I have not denied Palestinian oppression. But "jews cry tears over their holocaust" hardly seems to grant me and my people any humanity or history or right to exist.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:37 pm ET

Sonya,

I agree. And Israel tried to pull out of Gaza, with disastrous consequences. Which land should be given back, and how much?
What should be left for Israel?

And the security concern, abused to justify Palestinian oppression, is none the less real. When will Israel hear a true commitment to peace and living together? When will it get its recognition to exist from its neighbors?


Adam   January 3rd, 2009 11:38 pm ET

why does the UN secretary Gen Ban. not put pressure on Gaza to stop the rockets that hit poor unarmed Israelis. 6,464 over the past 3 yrs?
How can you make peace with a people/ (Hamas), that do not feel you and your country ( israel) should live? THE real Middle East problem: Arabs feel only Arabs should live in the Middle east, anyone else should leave the land or be killed. When this changes then there will be peace!!!


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:38 pm ET

Vishal,

A ceasefire IS needed. Now lets say perhaps, Iran quit giving missiles and bombs to hamas b.f.a. something they have refused to do in the past AND present.


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 11:39 pm ET

Honestly, the Jews needed a land of their own... I just don't see how its possible in the middle east. The only thing that it has done is to create hostility for the Jews in a region where they used to have a peaceful existence in the past.


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 11:39 pm ET

The US has voted to block the vote against Israel, Where is the rest of the world. Will you stand by while the US and Israel unfairly murder innocent children, women, men, and senior citizens. These are reasons the world cannot sleep with a clear conscience.


Sonya   January 3rd, 2009 11:40 pm ET

Gabriel , Israel has the right to exist but not at the expense of Palestinians........... don't you get it??


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 11:41 pm ET

How is the fact that Iran supplies rockets to Hamas any difference for the US supplying weapons to Israel?


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 11:41 pm ET

Francis: I agree that Iran needs to stop supplying weapons, but isn't this what the US has always done to Israel? Israel is bombing with F-16s...


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:42 pm ET

Oy - so only Israel and US kill. Everyone has laid down their swords, and turned them into plowshares.

PULEEZE!!!! And how about Arab on Arab violence? Anyone hear of Shiite v. Muslim? Palestinian v. Christian? Syria v. Lebanon?

Hello - blaming Israel will not save that region from all that bloodshed, trust me.

And where should the Jews have gone? Uganda? That would have been even less justifiable.

The truth is that Jews have a historic relationship with that land, like everyone else there, and we all have to acknowledge that and try to understand how we can truly work together to benefit all the people of the region.


anwar   January 3rd, 2009 11:43 pm ET

Gabriel..Wrote

Sonya and Anwar,

Occupation is a perspectival issue. Certainly a historic one. No one group has exclusive ties to that land, and no group should act like it does.

This is the problem of the logic zionists been promoting over the years...

Are we just ignorants......you mean a palestinian born in Nablus or Selwan should just make a room for a NY born Jew to calim a piece of his home???

Please stop yousing semantics and rise to the issues and thier causes....

If i want to accept your locig for a momment, i would like to come and share your house, turn it into a church, limit your movement in there, regulate where you go and when u go, limit who visits you and who cannot, tell you when to marry and whom, where to study and for how long to stay ou of your home and when to use your bathroom....etc...

for the sake of the new isreali generations, stop this line of distortion and fluidity of human issues.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:43 pm ET

Sonya,

And Palestine has equal right to exist, but not at the expense of the Israelis? Don't you understand that?!!!


Sonya   January 3rd, 2009 11:43 pm ET

I agree with you Dianne......... Iran is not allowed to have nuclear power but it is Ok for Israel?? what a bunch of crap and let us not forget that ISRAEL is NOT a DEMOCRACY!!!


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:44 pm ET

vishal,

Sure they have, as most bigger countries that sell other COUNTRIES weapons, just don't give or sell them to terrorist groups. It's just dumb. Well, it all is, but you don't put guns into the hands of the insane.


Sonya   January 3rd, 2009 11:45 pm ET

Gabriel, let us not forget who started this


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:45 pm ET

Anwar,

Why are there no more Jews in the other countries in the Middle East. We were there! We got kicked out or killed!!!

So occupation is a relative term, and you just don't want to acknowledge anything other than Israel's wrongdoing, which I am quick to acknowledge.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:46 pm ET

Sonya,

We haven't begun to figure out who started this, and the only thing that matters now is ending it!


Sonya   January 3rd, 2009 11:48 pm ET

How does Israel implement the Democracy it claims to possess? First, any Jew from anywhere in the world can come to Israel and receive citizenship by virtue of his/her Jewishness. By contrast, a Muslim or Christian Palestinian living in exile because of the 1948 war cannot claim citizenship even though they were indigenous to the area, nor can their descendents claim citizenship.


Sonya   January 3rd, 2009 11:49 pm ET

Second, ninety percent of the land in Israel is held in restrictive covenants, land initially owned by Palestinians for the most part, covenants that bar non-Jews from ownership including the Palestinians who hold a limited version of Israeli citizenship


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 11:50 pm ET

Gabriel
Only the US and Israel are killing innocent people. The war is unfair because Israeli are using ultra modern weapons made by the US and given to Israel. Nobody supplies Palestine with ultra modern weapons to protect themselves. This is an INJUSTICE The US has never dealt fairly with the Palestinians. and now it is complicit in thses murders.


Sonya   January 3rd, 2009 11:50 pm ET

Third, Israeli citizens who are Muslim or Christian do not share the rights accorded Jews who serve in the military, nor do they receive the benefits extended to those who serve in the military. Non-Jews are taxed differently than Israeli citizens and the neighborhoods in which they live receive less support


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 11:50 pm ET

Francis: Palestine elected Hamas under US supervision. That was when the US decided that democracy was not such a good idea.
As I have said before, a terrorist for one person is a freedom fighter for another.
By your standards, George Washington was also a terrorist.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:51 pm ET

Sonya,

What rights does a Jew have in Arab countries? Far less than non-Jews in Israel, let me promise you that . . .

Israel is a Jewish state, and a religious based government is always a threat to democracy. How many non-Muslim states are there in that region?

And even the West is implicitly Christian in its statehood, causing problems for any number of minorities including Muslims and Jews.


Matt (Stafford, VA)   January 3rd, 2009 11:51 pm ET

I would hardly call AH-1 Super Cobras and F-16's ultra modern.


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 11:51 pm ET

Gabriel,

Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia..etc. Still have Jewish populations, The land of Islam always gave you safe haven when prosecuted in Christian land.


Sonya   January 3rd, 2009 11:52 pm ET

and Americans think Israel is a democracy.......... this is laughable!!


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:52 pm ET

Dianne,

Are you serious about the comment "only the US and Israel are killing innocent people"?


Jimmy   January 3rd, 2009 11:53 pm ET

This is not a CRISIS but more accurately GENOCIDE as CNN should fairly express. I'm totally outraged at the continual support of Irael aggressions by the Mega media and the BUSH regime .More of the same .Nothing has changed
I would hope that OBAMA would oppose this menace by speaking out in an aggressive tone.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:53 pm ET

Dianne,

So everyone else who is murdered in the region not by Israeli is guilty? Of what? Of being Jewish? Of being gay? Of being dissident?

I will not defend American imperialist action, and its agenda regarding Israel and the Middle East. But that should not be lumped with "innocent" people actually living there and also being killed unfairly.


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 11:54 pm ET

Francis
The other countries donot get weapons to Palestine because they donot have the courage to stand up against the US. That is one of the reasons Maybe in the near future, some one will "Man up"


Vishal   January 3rd, 2009 11:55 pm ET

Jimmy: exactly my thoughts


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:55 pm ET

Fouad,

And the Jews of Iraq, Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, etc.? North Africa is relatively tolerant, Libya excluded. But always offered a haven goes a little too far;


Francis   January 3rd, 2009 11:55 pm ET

vishal,

I highly doubt you know what my standards are. But in your reasoning, hamas b.f.a goes along with what the US dictates? Really.


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:56 pm ET

Fouad,

I said Arab countries kicked us out and killed us. You mentioned Islamic non-Arab ones, like North Africa and Turkey. I am very mindful of the distinction.


Dianne   January 3rd, 2009 11:56 pm ET

Gabriel
You are not able to stay on subject. Nobody has said anything about gays but you. I donot understand where that came from or how you arrived at that conclusion. Gays?????


Gabriel   January 3rd, 2009 11:59 pm ET

Fouad,

I re-read, and I didn't specify "Arab," only "Middle East." I apologize for the ambiguity.

And I'd like to meet an Egyptian Jew . . .


anwar   January 3rd, 2009 11:59 pm ET

Gabriel.....

Why are there no more Jews in the other countries in the Middle East. We were there! We got kicked out or killed!!!

Have'nt you read the about the bombing of jewish teples in Baghdad in 1947 by the Jewish Agency to prompt thier migration to the land of Milk and Honey...please read Mr. Sheret , the first Minister of Foreign Affairs of Isreal Book on this.....same goes for Yemenit and morrocan Jews.....who kiled who, who kiked who...??

So occupation is a relative term, and you just don’t want to acknowledge anything other than Israel’s wrongdoing, which I am quick to acknowledge.

Please dont simlifiy human suffering ro relativity.....one simply would say why any jew should leave his country and become an isreali citizen? why should a Chinese Jew clain a peice of Jenin?

Again and Again, please address the main Issue,.,,,occupation, occupation...

Stop the Play of Word Game.....having a mastery of English does not make you right..........


Fouad   January 3rd, 2009 11:59 pm ET

Gabriel,

Now play victim and play with words.
your people collected enough world sympathy for the holocaust, to have a free pass to commit one of their own now. You broke even with history long ago, and the world owes you nothing.


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:00 am ET

Dianne,

Human rights are the topic. Gays are killed in Iran and other countries under fundamentalist Muslim rule. That is a human rights issue. Or are gays subhuman now too?


Vishal   January 4th, 2009 12:00 am ET

Francis: But in your reasoning, hamas b.f.a goes along with what the US dictates? Really.

where did you get that?


Lana   January 4th, 2009 12:01 am ET

I HAVE AN IDEA. WHY DON'T WE TURN THIS BLOG INTO THIS:

GIVE IDEAS FOR A SOLUTION TO THIS CONFLICT. THE POLITICIANS OF THE WORLD HAVE FAILED MANY TIMES. LETS GIVE IT A TRY! EVERYONE THINK WISELY AND ANSWER WISELY. WE NEED A SOLUTION FAIR TO BOTH SIDES.


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:01 am ET

Fouad,

So sympathy is a one-way street? I'm sorry if you live on that cul-de-sac, but I try to have compassion for everyone, even my so-called "enemy."


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:02 am ET

Lana,

That's my proposed solution. Mutual compassion. Absent that, I only see conflict.


Vishal   January 4th, 2009 12:03 am ET

US blocks UN security council move towards immediate ceasefire? can you believe that?? The US is just as much to blame for the deaths.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 12:04 am ET

Gabriel,

That was not subject. Israel and the US unjustly murdering Palestianians gay or not. You brought "gay" into the talk. Nobody but you


Francis   January 4th, 2009 12:04 am ET

Lana,

Sounds great! Now get your caplocks off and let's get to work!!
Goodnight all, it was fun. I hope you all have a great New Year...


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:05 am ET

US has its own reasons to side with Israeli aggression, awkward as these may be. US has instigated much of the violence in that region. I don't suggest more suicide bombers here, that's for sure.


Matt (Stafford, VA)   January 4th, 2009 12:05 am ET

The two parties should implement something similar to the North/South Korean boarder. Establish a DMZ separating the two nations. Civilian travel between the two areas can be arranged between the two governments. Strict terms should be established. Should either side attempt to circumvent the boarder, the other side has free reign to respond with appropriate force.


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:05 am ET

Dianne,

Human rights are human rights. They don't stop at politics.


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:07 am ET

Matt

And they will . . .


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 12:07 am ET

Gabriel,
It is not necessary to make things up. The discussion was not about guy rights one way are the other. You are answering many comments. Perhaps you erred?


Nisa   January 4th, 2009 12:08 am ET

Vince, news in America only portray Israel as victims. You make it sound so simple for people in Gaza to just pack up and leave. Bottom line is you sound so violent, when you commenting about burning your neighbor terrorist regardless who live in it and we're talking innocent children and women. I am afraid to be your neighbor because I might be affected when you are in rage. You are vindictive and only talk about retaliating. I don't know what kind of background you came from but my religion, Islam teaches me not to kill. We condem terrorist, but what Israel did is no different than a terrorist itself and worst except you guys don't portray them as terrorist. I am not an Arab Muslim, and Palestenians are not people of my race, but the sight of civilians dying is not pretty. I am humane, and despite any issue that sparks this war, the truth is too many people are dying and it's about time Israel cease fire. Instead, the incurson has begun so the motive behind this is not just rockets launch from Hamas. Dont be so innocent and believe everything the media said. Do Your research...


Matt   January 4th, 2009 12:09 am ET

Oh I believe it. It's sad, but this will hopefully eliminate part of the blame game. If Hamas had any doubt that Israel was a military power before, that's gone now. Just like in Korea. While minor incursions have happened, both the DPRK and ROKA know that they are powerful forces in their own regard. Deterrence, even post Cold War, still has it's uses.


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:09 am ET

Diane,

I'm sorry, perhaps I have not sufficiently explained my point. We talk about the Palestinians in Israel as a human rights issue. One I am very concerned about. But Israel is not the only human rights abuser. The gay example is simply to point out that Israel is more tolerant of minorities than many of its neighbors, and that intolerance and genocide of anyone is unacceptable.


Vishal   January 4th, 2009 12:09 am ET

"Should either side attempt to circumvent the boarder, the other side has free reign to respond with appropriate force."

This won't work. Instead the international community should without delay boycott the violator and give a warning of a military attack.


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 12:11 am ET

Yes Gabriel, Israel tolerates gays more than it does Palestinians...... what a bunch of crap


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:13 am ET

Diane,

I am also concerned because there is genocide in Darfur and Congo, worse than the horrors we are now discussing, that hasn't been as greatly focused on in contemporary public discourse. Trust me, the US and Israel are far from the only butchers in the bunch when it comes to the UN. And Africa, perhaps because of embedded racism, simply does not muster the same interest it seems as the war in the Middle East.


Mario Namini   January 4th, 2009 12:14 am ET

...heartlessness needs blood...but why and for what?Who is to say that who is right?But why? It didn't need to be this way...


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 12:15 am ET

Gabriel
We may like to think all things donot stop at politics, but they do. from the birth order, to the economics of a family, to religion, to race, to heterosexual or gay ( since you threw that in) and most other things in life. Politics govern much in our daily lives. It does and it has always and probably for the future. In many cases it decides who will get modern weapons and who willnot, who will survive and who dies. It is a powerful substance and it will be there.


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:15 am ET

Sonya,

Palestinians suffer greatly, but not just at the hands of Israel, and not Palestinians alone. That's all I mean to say.


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 12:17 am ET

This subject is giving me a headache........... I need Advil..........


Mario Namini   January 4th, 2009 12:17 am ET

HEARTLESS PRETENDERS go to prayer...and the Temple IS THERE NO MORE...


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:18 am ET

Dianne,

Absolutely. But as a lawyer, I can tell you that international human rights are sovereign from regional politics. They transcend politics, as an inalienable right.

In reality, human rights always suffer because of politics. But the tragedy of international human rights law is that it remains in the realm of ideal principles that cannot be effectively enforced in the same way as local laws.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 12:19 am ET

Gabriel

I donot agree. There isnot a world power providing weapons to kill so many people at war. Israel has used unjust force considering the unjust things they are doing. Darfur is a separate debate and discussion for entirely different reasons. Oranges and apples are fruit, but very different


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:20 am ET

Sonya,

I am sorry for your suffering as well. I recommend herbal alternatives to pharmaceutical products!


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:21 am ET

Dianne,

Israel has acted unjustly. But if you insist that it is the only such party, or that it is the only one that can inflict damage, than once again I don't know where to go!


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 12:21 am ET

Israel is an expert at ignoring laws...........local or international


Matt   January 4th, 2009 12:22 am ET

I am off for now. Thank you all for the great discussion.


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:23 am ET

Sonya,

Shall we return to the topic of human rights and legality in the surrounding countries?

Why only Israel? Why Israel the big bad bull?y I know it's not intended as such, but the fervent anti-Zionism comes across as anti-semitic.

Why Israel, israel, Israel?!


Mario Namini   January 4th, 2009 12:24 am ET

...SUNRISES and by the time SUNSETS the blood of the innocents have been sheds.It will be sad for the children of Israel to see what has been done in their names.No resulotions shall come of shedding the blood of each other rather MORE BLOOD...


Mario Namini   January 4th, 2009 12:26 am ET

ISRAEL...Shalom.


anwar   January 4th, 2009 12:27 am ET

Please read Ben Gorion and other Isreali Leaders vision for a jewish State...answers of this ongoing slaughter are there.......New isreal generations need to be freed from thier leaders......need our help to liberate them ...the soonest the better for all........

Isreali leadership is using them as victims of humanity who needs constant life line......and to cover up riminal acts they commit in the name of saving jewish lives at the expenss of who ever comes in thier way..

Liberate Isrealis...Liberate isrealis now...God Bless You


John-Tee   January 4th, 2009 12:28 am ET

Reminds me of Fiddler on the Roof!!! Sunrise.....Sunset....


Gabriel   January 4th, 2009 12:29 am ET

As another great singer once sang:

Shalom, Salaam, Shalom, Salaam,
When will there be peace for the children of Israel?

Shalom, Saalaam, Shalom, Salaam,
When will there be peace for the children of Palestine?

I wish you all peace, health and prosperity in 2009, and that the governments of the world start to act like all people matter.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 12:29 am ET

Gabriel

The answer is that this is the discussion at this time. It is Israel and the US who perpetuating this horrible murders on many innocent people at one time. The very idea of this war is why the US proclaim Iran should not have weapons. Then Israel attacks them next using unfair rhetoric agains them. Israel feels the power, and the power will not let them stop in the Middle East. It could have more than face value. Has the US and Israel become complicit in the irradication of a people by allowing only Israel weapons of mass desctruction in the Middle East?


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 12:29 am ET

Gabriel, because Israel is the country that claims to be the only democracy in the ME, Israel is the country that alleges that it protects human rights.
Israel is a big fake and full of lies. There cannot be a democracy and human rights in a country based on one religion, or ethnic group.
Yes Israel is the one to be blamed


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 12:35 am ET

Sonya I agree with you 100%. How can Israel proclaim to be a democracy with one religion. If Millions of Christians moved to srael and start running for political office and actuall making peace in the region, how would democratic Israel react?


John-Tee   January 4th, 2009 12:36 am ET

sonya and diane,

I hope you enjoy wearing your burka's...


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 12:41 am ET

Dianne, if only more Americans think like us, the world will be a better place... the media is biased towards Israel and portrays all arabs as terrorists. It is sad


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 12:50 am ET

John-
At least wearing burka's does not kill children and woman


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 12:50 am ET

John-Tee I enjoy wearing my sombreo, my dais sheke, my silk sari, and my american style clothes


Harry   January 4th, 2009 12:51 am ET

To Fouad

You wrote to Gabriel the stuff below.
The answer to your question follows...
Black September... see after your question the line that begins
The Black September organization
Perhaps you do not recall or perhaos that was before your time...
King Hussein of Jordan declared marial law...
pay special attention to the line...
"resulting in the deaths and expulsion of thousands of Palestinians "

re:name one oppression by an arab country of the palestinians? Unless you are referring to the christian Arabs in Lebanon who allied with Israel in 1982 to cleanse Palestinians in the refugee camps.

Jordan, Syria, Lebanon, Egypt, Morocco, Tunisia, Kuwait…etc. all took Palestinian refugees, you reflect a typical Israeli propaganda that Arab land is big enough to accomodate all palestinians and clear the land for new Israeli settlement.

Arab countries took enough refugees, who need to go back to their homes, because that’s their wish, everyone rathers their bed no matter the generosity of the host.

The Black September Organization (Arabic: منظمة أيلول الأسود‎, munazzamat aylul al-aswad) was a Palestinian militant group, founded in 1970. The group's name was taken from the conflict known as Black September, which began on 16 September 1970, when King Hussein of Jordan declared military rule in response to an attempt by the fedayeen to seize his kingdom, resulting in the deaths or expulsion of thousands of Palestinians from Jordan. The BSO began as a small cell of Fatah men determined to take revenge on King Hussein and the Jordanian army. Recruits from the PFLP, as-Sa'iqa, and other groups also joined.

The BSO is notorious for the kidnap and murder of eleven Israeli athletes and officials, and the murder of a German police officer, during the 1972 Olympic Games in Munich, Germany.

So Fouad , what do you think?


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 12:51 am ET

and it also beats wearing the yarmulka!!!


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 12:52 am ET

Sonya

High Five


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 1:03 am ET

Harry, Zionism were the first to introduce terorism to the ME.
Rememeber the Hagana and Ergon and blowing of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem and the assasination of Dag Hammershold.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 1:05 am ET

Hi Harry, please excuse me, I am still awake. US had and still has KKK, who muredered blacks for being black, catholics because they were not protestants, and whites because they supported equality for all Americans. Irish Protestants against Irish Catholic, Basque and against Spainards and many other people. It has happen to most people. Over the centuries and today many people have sufferred unjustly. As people, we donot seem to learn qand remember the past.I am sure you have heard "history repeats itself".


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 1:05 am ET

So Harry, what do you think?


ed ,vancouver canada   January 4th, 2009 1:07 am ET

I can not believe the garbage i saw on here last night ,many obviously muslim people,some with english names,calling israelis zionist pigs.Well lets set the record straight.The palestinians were dancing in the streets when the twin towers went down.The palestinians are starving and can afford 45km range rockets?The palestinians elect a terrorist government,thereby endorsing terrorism.The palestinians fired the rockets.The israelis and jews live all over the world and are not having this problem anywhere else.They are peaceful people.The problem is that the palestinians rely on outside brotherly support from the likes of iran,for a common cause.Where is it though?What kind of mentality send their own children into the streets tied to explosives?The kind with no self preservation and a death wish.I do not blame israel for defending against rockets fired in the hopes of killing as many israelis as possible.Given the troops at the border,and the current ratio,there will be 650000 dead palestinians if they wish to die for a worthless cause.Islam extremists went to far this time.Better do some giving up.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 1:12 am ET

I donot dislike Israel, but the Jewish people are not the only people who have sufferred in the past and today. It is worthwhile to remember many people over the centuries but it does not give them the right to murder the Palestinians, for they have sufferred in the past and today while Israel enjoys the favoritism of the US and ignore treaties also, and not held accountable for their atrocities. Again today, The US has acknowledged these atrocities to the Palestianians and absolved and provided an unfair alibi for Israel


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 1:14 am ET

Ed, every palestinian fighting Israel is a volunteer not like the Jewish state with draft and miltary service to every one.
You are right jews live peacfully every were in he world except were they do not belong.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 1:19 am ET

Also Ed Iam 100% American. The cannot count on the support of the US if they started any kind of major disruptions in other countries. But mostly, other coiuntries have modern weaponry aolso and would stqnd for it.


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 1:20 am ET

In case you are curious, I am Christian of Palestinian origin.


ed ,vancouver canada   January 4th, 2009 1:21 am ET

Of course palestinians are not drafted.That is why they are doing what they are doing,as no government sends its people to die except in defence.If i had rockets fired on my family i would use whatever i had to kill the perpetrators.They have intent to kill,but can not handle the consenquences.The jews have been in israel for 60 years.if there is a problem with that call the british.They were there thousands of years ago and finally got back what was theirs all along


Raymond Colet...(Philippines)   January 4th, 2009 1:25 am ET

Dear Larry,

Unfortunately America has never been occupied, so they have no idea what is the misery, the suffering of living under the rules and dictatorship of an occupying force.

Europe has been living trough that hell. In France, there were also the collaborating forces, similar to Fatah, proposing compromise with the occupants and resistance forces, like Hamas, called terrorists by the German’s authority.
We know today how history will judge those 2 forces.
The occupation of the Palestine must stop, dignity of its people restored, economic development provided, sovereignty guaranteed and respected.

America must stop its unilateral and military support of an occupying power, similar to the German power and as inhumane as the German were.
The military invasion of the ghetto of Gaza, similar to the Jewish ghetto of Varsovie, will be a shameful event on Israel’s memory and the memory of all humanity, regardless of the perfectly orchestrated PR of the Israeli army and political leaders, so well publicized by media like CNN.

Best regards, Larry.


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 1:27 am ET

That is the BS that the jews believe in and what will bring their end
If every on wants back what he thinks he owned thousands of years ago wars will be all over he world. Give Manhattan to the Indians
In 60 years there were over seven wars and about million killed, something the jews should not be proud of


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 1:29 am ET

Do You not believe Israel does not have intent to kill? What would you do if their was a blockade and you could not get food or the necessary medicine to keep your child, wife, mother and father,brother and sister alive? Would you sit there?I donot agree with suicide bombers but I can certainly understand. Nobody will give or sell them modern weaponry because the US has forbade it andno high tech nation with modern weapons will cross the US. So you use what you have. Remember the American Revolution? America got its weapons and support of the day from France. Go through history and you will find the one given the modern weapons of the time-win


ed ,vancouver canada   January 4th, 2009 1:32 am ET

No one on this planet has the right to kill people over any cause.Religion is causing ALL the wars.No one has the right to START a war,and if you do ,do not expect sympathy for your own dead..Criminals get it in the end .Hamas is a defiant bunch like bin laden,hezbollah and the likes.If anyone does not see an evil common factor,you will when they are eliminated.Israel is not the united states playing a chess game in the mountains.They want hamas ,not women and children,of course unless you wear explosives.I feel sorry for the palestinians.


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 1:32 am ET

To say the violence now erupted because of some rockets fired by Hamas is to ignore the fact that there’s been violence for decades and the very OCCUPTATION itself of the territory is a violent thing.


ed ,vancouver canada   January 4th, 2009 1:37 am ET

In that case north korea should rule the world with all the nuclear weapons.The problem is ,only one group is crazy enough to use them,the same ones that did in the twin towers.Canada is giving back to the native indians,no taxes.Rightfully so,they were here first.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 1:37 am ET

Ed
Imagine how hopeless some of these Palestinians feel to resort to suicide bombers. As a nation of hope, the United States should promote that safety, wellbeing, and fair negoitiations to Palestians. The US ia as the parent. It does not allow any other nation to intefere. But it has a favorite child which no parent should have. You give the favorite child all the glories of modernism while telling the other child you are bad. That parent, the US, hasn't any right to negoitiate peace between the people when it has proven its bias. The US doesnot allow antone to stop Israel or hold Israel accountable. It is time for new negoitiators. It is not fair to Palewstine.


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 1:41 am ET

Goodnight Dianne, it was great having you in this discussion and to you Ed, I pray you wake up and smell the coffee someday............ I feel sorry for you Ed and will keep you in my prayers.....


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 1:41 am ET

Notice Ed, the US talks a big game against North Korea, but it will not act because North Korea has weapons to reach California. But much more than that–It has Big Brother China looking out for them. The US will not make that move and hopefully the US also. These two countries cannot play with each other in that manner


anwar   January 4th, 2009 1:42 am ET

When the US Envoy to the UN says,,,,,Isreal right to defend itself is a non-questionalble matter....what does that supose to mean?

When hamas won Fair Elections......US and Nato Counries, panalizing Palestinians for the choice of government........what a mistake the Palestinians made....so unimaginable to western powers that people act democratically and most democratically than even in non-democratic countries like the two party countries, the so called democracies.

Blockade resulted from denial of choice, humilation as a punishment for making a choice......

Should the world boycut Obama for being elected out of the mainstream.......should america be panalized for making it choice to ellect obama?

Non-lethal election caused denial and boycut.......massacare and musder is not even getting the same powers to say stop...not even to issue a statement of condemnation and demanding a cease fire. what a joke we live in...

Non-lethel Election is not accepted....massacaring people in cold blood is so acceptable.....in what religion on earth this is accepted?


ed ,vancouver canada   January 4th, 2009 1:43 am ET

They have to occupy it.You can not have the fox gaurding the henhouse.Palestinians should have their own country.Since the israelis revamped the desert,and made it nice,that is not up for grabs.Can you imagine the rockets if palestinians had alot of money.?Their mandate is to further islam and erradicate zionism.That is why the u.s. is hated.they are a friend of israel.The closet name is "foreign policy"This problem will never end ,the islam and zionists were born fighting.LIKE A CAT AND DOG


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 1:44 am ET

Have you been to Israel Ed? Many, many parts are not nice. They look like ghettos and there is a high welfare roll. Higher than the US


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 1:49 am ET

Ed that is a very derogatory statement to the whole of the people. It is to consider oneself as superior. That is the very statement of the white man who displaced Native Americans. I cannot understand to see any human group of people as less than. That is the reason for many wars past and present denying their humanity. How can one help promote peace with such thoughts of inhumanity and malice


ed ,vancouver canada   January 4th, 2009 1:49 am ET

i get along with everyone..i work with 50 different religions.But if one came at me with a knife,i would use a bigger one.No one has the right to create violence,just defend.Eye for eye tooth for tooth.This whole conflict was stirred up because of sagging oil prices.Iran and saudi money is involved.That will surface later.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 1:52 am ET

I am sure you get along with everyone Ed. You would come back at someone if there was a blockade to keep you from food and mdicine for your family aloso. I would also


ed ,vancouver canada   January 4th, 2009 2:00 am ET

I know people who live in israel.I know people who have been there too.Some parts look like detroit.?That part was left out.They still do not have to give it up.Dr.William Shockley,who invented the transistor,said that the average intelligence in the united states was going down as the populations producing are less accomplished.People thought he was A nutcase.He is right though ,and in the last 10 years it is evident.He said that 25 years ago.If all the people on earth gave away 10% there would be no poverty.Funny thing of late ,i do not recall any group christian extremists.Or christian militants.


John Marks   January 4th, 2009 2:03 am ET

Israel is commiting one of if not the most sever acts of genocide and terrorism in recent history.

First, they cut off power, water, food and electricity to gaza. Then starving gazans fire rockets in response, which break a few windows and kill no one. Then, Israel bombards Gaza with 1 ton bombs, destroying the university, power plants, water plants, apartment buildings, and killing hundreds of innocent civillians and maming thousands.

I am losing sympathy for Israel, and realize that Israel is the real terrorist organization in this case.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 2:04 am ET

Ed
Both people are imperfect such is the lot of mankind. I can see both sides, but I cannot agree when the world power who supplies and support the killing of the people who only have their heart and mind to survive. You would fight for your country to prevent invasion no matter what mass weapons of destruction they possessed. A people must have what is necessary to survive and then to really live. No country has the right to make another country live as animals, to live without hope for a better tomorrow for their children.


ed ,vancouver canada   January 4th, 2009 2:05 am ET

The united nations does not allow that kind of thing to happen.If you are providing for a family and can not,then leave,and look at something else.Canada is a recordbreaker at refugees.We would have heard by now.Some one is telling lies.They are firing rockets to kill ,not flares that say "hey we are out of milk".


ed ,vancouver canada   January 4th, 2009 2:07 am ET

i am amazed this blog is still open.many times it closes at 10pm.....starangee.


ed ,vancouver canada   January 4th, 2009 2:12 am ET

Look at the economy in the u.s right now.peoples lives are a mere shadow of what they were,but they are not bombing banks and wall street.There is a way to do things.In other countries there is too much of this hard core "i will die for the cause BS" The sick part is they are taught this as young children.If we had that in the u.s and canada,we are in big trouble...and you know what?The criminals,expecially the drugs are getting in.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 2:13 am ET

First of all that statement is totally false. People have to be given the same opportunities to education and advancement. Once that is acheived it is not much difference Ed. I have been to Israel many times, not taklked to someone. First hand information.You donot have to give most people anything but a fair playing field and not stock the cards against them. and I do consider him a nut case today. If a people are concerned with surviving and not living there is a difference Survivng is trying to maintain food, shelter, and clothing. Living provides those basics and acheiving education, voting, a better way of life. If those basics neccessities of life are met, mankind explores space, further education, research, and many more discoveries of life. But survival for prehisotric man and today is the prime basics.


ed ,vancouver canada   January 4th, 2009 2:20 am ET

Thanks for the comments dianne.I must go now.Keep safe and healthy.I sure hope the religious fanatics of the world come to the realization that in todays economic climate,the impoverished ones are not the only ones that feel like dying for a cause.People all over the world are sick of the terrorism.This can and will escalate into a world war unless it is caught early.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 2:22 am ET

I am amazed it is still open too. The US economy is where it is because of pure unadulerated greed. We should have learned from the Soviet Union that too many wars will decimate any economy. Ed the United Nationsw wanted to stop the bombings and invasion of Palestine. The US voted no to stop Israel. So that was that. When the US does not agree with the U the present administration willnot follow, thus todays ruling and the attack of Iraq. With the present administration it dos not follow the principals of the UN. I hope we will become a part of the world again and not as a dictator. Perhaps, Israel will not usurp powers with out consideration. That all people and nations make this world and had better learn to live together,


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 2:25 am ET

Thank You Ed it was a pleasure. Take Care. I talked enough. Now I will try and sleep the sleep of Babes(smile)


ed ,vancouver canada   January 4th, 2009 2:45 am ET

P.S In the jungles there are people living like 500 years ago.They have not changed or invented,or discovered beyond very basic discoveries.Modern man used to rub the sticks together to make fire .Yet in a different part of the world,jet engines,cell phones,computers,.No one can find the missing link..There is something wrong with that equation.And Dr.Shockley is right just like the world was flat.We are decendants of the aliens.When the wars are over they are going to return to pick us up and get back their copy of chariots of the gods.Do yourself a favor...look at the layout of the three stars in orions belt,and the great pyramids.There is a common factor.Earth is an experiment for space beings.Prayer communicates with them.All the earths great inventors talk of it.The bible is coming to light for many.One day soon the great ones will be here and the wars will stop.Until then,a way of life.


hugh ~ california   January 4th, 2009 2:56 am ET

You are so quick to sell out America and Israel for the recent fighting in Gaza–like Dianne and Sonya. If the Israelis are such bullies why did they bother to drop thousands of leaflets to warn civilians before they bombed the buildings there? Does Hamas give any warning before they shoot rockets or kill innocent Israelis with bombs in marketplaces? No, they do not, because that is what terrorists do! I'm just wasting my time trying to reason with people who think like you do.

It is so wrong to compare what happened to the Jews in the holocaust with what's happening to the palestinians in Gaza. There is no comparison and it is ludicrous to think so. To even suggest that Israel is committing genocide to the palestinians is total lunacy and is irresponsible. Hamas is not throwing rocks–there shooting highly explosive rockets at civilian targets! Also, to try and blame the US and George Bush for what's going on in Gaza is idiotic. Some are even trying to blame Barack Obama and he's not even the president yet. I consider myself liberal but some of the folks here are just plain liberal fanatics.


proud muslim   January 4th, 2009 3:04 am ET

The united states needs to stop supporting the JEWS!!!! the JEWS are killing innocent women and kids. make it an all man battle!! America needs to stop being scared of the JEWS. look for the truth because its there the media just doesn't tell you, they tell you what they want too. all you JEWS that support this think of HITLER and remember what he did and now look at your selves you JEWS are no better. GOD DOESN'T FORGET MUSLIMS AND MAY GOD STAND WITH THEM!!

INSHALLAH


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 3:11 am ET

Ed PS They still survive and have remained secluded. They have not attempted to become part of todays world but have sought to live in the past.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 3:13 am ET

Ed the Us used that tactic in Vietnam. It is called divide and conquer. It didnot work for the US and I suppose it will not work for Israel.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 3:22 am ET

Hugh there isn't any reason for you to use such language because of disagreement. CNN reported tonight that the Bush Administration had been in touch with Israel and given the go ahead. It is not my saying. I donot blame Barack if you woulod look at my earlier comment. The Constitution does not give him the right at this time. One President at a time. I will definitely not dispute that fact for that is the reason we have asuccessful change in power. Dropping leaflets is propoganda. It is a very old technique in military history. I donot consider myself liberal or conservative. I consider myself American with right to agree with or not agree with what my country does. However, Hugh, as many other Americans, I love the spirit of the Constitution and the Bill of Rights for Free Speech. And I love
America as you do


Shai   January 4th, 2009 3:28 am ET

Dianne, I must say I realy admire the US for what it stands for. It is a shame that the same things that you love – "the Bill of Rights...Free Speech...." are unheard of under the Hamas rule. They ,and they alone, made the situation in Gaza what it is.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 3:36 am ET

Shai
That is not the only part of the world that does not have those rights. Does it make their government anymore wrong. Until the Civil Rights Bill of 1966, many blacks didnot have those Constitutional rights. As a nation progress and the population becomes more educated things change. One thing I have learned in my travels is when the time is right those who have sufferred unjustly and become more aware through education and the basic needs of life taken care of– governments must practice what they preach. As for the US there wasn't any foreign powers interferring with society. Palestinians are no different from anyone else. When one country excercisies such miltary weaponry(froim the US) it is not right Where will it end.


Lilian   January 4th, 2009 3:36 am ET

This fight against Hamas is not for Isreal alone. It is for everyone, Religion (whether muslim, christians or whatever), systems and institutions who stands for TRUTH. A true muslim will not fight peace and keep throwing rockets on innocent Isreali civilians. Worst of all, is that they hide behind their wives, children and relatives to throw rockets. That's COWARDLY.
People should take to street and demand they come to the open and engage the Isrealites. That's what we should focus on.
CNN is also acting cowardly. What is wrong in putting pressure on the Arab world and true muslims to pressure Hamas to go to the open and fight or STOP! What are you scared of? It is victory, even if Isreal die defending themselves against people who swore to wipe them off the planet earth. No one has the right to say or do that.

If Hamas prevails, it means evil is triumphing and we should all be concerned. And all who thinks this is just 'an Isreal' fight should watch it. The DEVIL has no friend. It's a matter of time and Hamas will show their true color even to their sponsors. Those playing the music for this Hamas dance. Hamas will also turn against you. EVIL has no friend.


george   January 4th, 2009 3:41 am ET

Regev says:"Israel doesn't need unproductive talks."So,what does Israel need?Probably action,which means slaughter.This "defense action"cannot be accepted by the civilized world.There is no sign of equality between stone and bullit.In one world this is holocaust whether or not admitted by some narrow-minded individuals.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 3:41 am ET

Why is Hamas terrorist.? Many nations consider America terrorist for interferring in their government. One man's terrorist is another's Freddom Fighter. Nobody has to agree but I have never considered the word "terrorist" legitimate. It depends on what side of the fence you are on. Do you remeber the 1960's when the US topel many governments in Latin America and Africa? We would be past terriorist for what the CI
A
promoted


Shai   January 4th, 2009 3:45 am ET

Dianne, it will end when the Palestinian people understand that instead of having a government with one and only goal of wiping Israel from the map, they need to put a government with goals that will bring this nation a bright future and reasons to wake up in the morning.
Believe me, there is nothing more that most Israelis want other stop paying much of their taxes on military expenditures. It is a mutual interest for both nations that the Palestinians rise and prosper. However, no israelis should suffer if they choose to stick with their violent ways.


Shai   January 4th, 2009 3:48 am ET

Dianne, you must be very confused if you call people that send their children to kill themselves in a bus with women and children and fire missiles on schools freedom fighters. you can call them whatever you whant, but freedom fighters is absurd....


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 3:49 am ET

Shai

It will end when the power is equal. That is how it usually ends.Not only do the Palestinians but the Isralis must recognize them as well. It is similar to a divorce, both parties usually contribute to the death of a marriage. Not one people is all right and the other people all wrong, that is whatn the US seems to miss. Bothe people have legitimate concerns and lack of respect and diginity.


hugh ~ california   January 4th, 2009 3:50 am ET

Dianne,
I choose carefully the words I wish to express which you so willing accept as "The Bill of Rights and Free of Speech." If I think someone has idiotic thinking or is an idiot I will say so willing and without regret.
I am not using derogatory language so I do not feel any need to retract anything. I do not claim to be in a debating club who should adhere to their specific accepted prodical. If someone can't take the heat, stay out of the blogging kitchen. When people are dying I could care less about their feelings getting hurt. If some people think I am just a war-
monger they are badly mistaken, if they can't believe that I don't care. I do not enter blogs to win a popularity contest. I do not wish to see palestinians die, but they need to stop the rocket attacks. They chose to elect Hamas–a hateful organization, when they had the chance to elect leaders who truly want peace. I will continue to wait for them to do that until hell freezes over.


Vonny   January 4th, 2009 3:55 am ET

hugh Take a look around the world at the protests that are happening. The voice of the people speaking not just palestinians. Thousands upon thousands are marching because what we are seeing is the possible anhialation of palestinians.

As for warning the people of gaza. what a joke. Where do they go? they are trapped, the innocent people are trapped, they cannot get out anywhere? Israel has them by the troat and we all know it... Egypt they cannot get out of, only what out of 2000 people who are injured 100 they have reportedly been taken. A joke. Westbank borders is patrolled by Israel. The people cannot escape by sea.

and yes im sorry the U.S. blocked it through the United Nations.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 3:57 am ET

Shai
I love my country America. But she as not been neutral in its decision making process of this part of the world. Much of it has to do with Christianity being the predominate religon of the US The founding Fathers warned us about religion because many had sufferred persecution in Europe. This President haqas used relgion more than any President in USA history. More than his father. We have seen how divisive this is for our people. The American people donot belive the relgious right should dominate our country's policy. There isn't anything wrong with educated, well thought out plans that donot relate to the bible. The bible is interpeted many ways depending on what church you attend. I believe many Americans felt as I did. Religon should not rule.


Jordan   January 4th, 2009 3:58 am ET

All Americans need to remember the images of Palastinians dancing in the streets and celebrating the deaths of thousands of americans on 9-11. Remember that!!!


Shai   January 4th, 2009 3:59 am ET

Dianne, ther was never a marriage. You are using some out of the blue terms that have nothing to do with what's going on.
Nobody took the respect and dignity from the palestinians but themselves with their own decisions and actions.


hugh ~ california   January 4th, 2009 4:04 am ET

(I meant to write Freedom-my typo error.)
I am done for the night. I just cannot understand the thinking of some people. Hopefully there can be a peaceful solution to the bloodshed someday. I've been waiting for that day my whole life.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 4:06 am ET

Hugh you are right, but after attending college, I learned that usually people who donot accept the others right to express their opinon are not well versed. Intelligent people are accepting of views different from others. My father use to tell me you must see yourself in anothers life. War will never settle religious differences. I have read your comments on past articles. You are not understanding, kind or able to see others views but your own. I donot expect you are anyone else to agree, but is how I feel. From other comments it has given me pause bto think when done in an intelligent fashion. Nobody should condemned or bulled because of the comments, Hugh


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 4:08 am ET

Shai
When you blockade the only route to receive food and medicines, Israel with US weapons and support, you took the right to survive away. The US would not haqve allwed the country of Palestine to do that Israel


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 4:10 am ET

Shai,
Marriage was used as an anomaly


Shai   January 4th, 2009 4:11 am ET

The blockade came as a result of missile attacks on southern Israel. Before that there was no blockade. The equation is very simple, and I am amazed you can't see it – No Missiles=No Blockade.
Easy, isn't it?


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 4:12 am ET

Hugh that's the beauty of the world everyone thinks different and to help te world one must accept this fact


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 4:16 am ET

No Shai
Israel had already broken the peace agreement before that. They had also killed some Palestinian citizens not of Hamas. Go back to the news in August or September


Shai   January 4th, 2009 4:25 am ET

There was never a peace agreement and saying there was means that you are not fully knowledgable about the subject. There was a mutual understanding that both sides will not take offensive actions, though the Hamas never stoped launching missiles, only reduced the number of them.
When you say palestinian citizens you might consider rephrasing, maybe Hamas militants? and maybe they were pursuing offensive actions?
Once againg you choose your words in a very strange way.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 4:25 am ET

Shai
I watch CNN but CNN gives a different perspective at times. Just as in the past elections, CNN would not run the Obama ad. On that same night LKL had McCain as the guest on that night. Previously, McCain or his wife Cindy would give Larry and interview. However, that particular night since McCain knew of the ads, he granted LKL an interview. CNN refused Obama becaquse they would be showing favortism. But yet they did not see favortism in McCain having his way. Please read nd watch other news beside the US. We only show Israel postive and Palestine negative. From living in the world as an adult, do you really believe on side is all right and the other all wrong. CNN will probably edit this part


Jordan   January 4th, 2009 4:27 am ET

Hello, Dianne. I hope you didn't lose any family members on 9-11. Go ahead and defend Palestine. They dance in joy when innocent americans are killed. Like they did on 9-11. No sypmothy for those primitve animals. I hope Israeli troops slaughter that ignorant race. They've been nothing but a stain on the world. They elected Hamas! No one else. They get what they deserve. And history shows, that peace could have been possible several times and everyone involved except Palestine has agreed to peace terms. And when they finally get the land they've been whining about, in 2003 did they stop attacking Israel? No. Oh, Israeli's were in Gaza before it was Gaza and before Palestinians. Palestinians have not homeland. They've come from Arab countries and also from greece thousands of years ago. They have no claim to that land. What an ignorant race....Dancing in the streets people... Dancing in the streets in pure joy on 9-11.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 4:30 am ET

NJo Shai you are wrong. Israel broke first. It is neither here are there. I see wrong on both sides. Not just one side as you. I believe another c0ountry should negoitiate, because the US is incapable of this . We dont have right to choose the elected officials of another country. That is how the Iranian citizens portrayed the Shaw. He followed what the US wanted and not his people. They were elected as George Bush who also lied to the American people


Shai   January 4th, 2009 4:37 am ET

Dianne, CNN is not that bias and you should not feel so hunted.
I wouldn't put in "one side all right and one all wrong" but let me give you something to think about:
is it possible that the poor side in this conflict is also the wrong side?
is it possible that the Hamas uses the situation of its own people to get its own goals?
and lets say for the conversation's sake that they are right, are their actions reasonable and ligitimit in your eyes? firing missiles aimed specificaly at civilian consentrations?


Shai   January 4th, 2009 4:40 am ET

Israel broke what?
and about negotiations, the Hamas does not want anything other that wiping Israel form the map, so what is there to negotiate about?


Rania Windy   January 4th, 2009 4:45 am ET

I am a Muslim and I'm very disappointed with Hamas. If Hamas truly loves the Palestinian people and Allah as they claim, they will initiate cease fire and surrender their rockets launch sites to the authoriized Palestinian government. Instead, they hold the civilians hostage and use the name of God for being in power. Shame on you, Hamas. My religion, Muslim, is about love and living in peace.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 5:02 am ET

Shai, Ask yourself also the same questions in reverse. I see wrong on both sides but I cannot justify the US supplying one side advanced weaponry and the other side with mid 20th century weapons. That is what I donot agree with. . My grieviance is th e fact the neogitiator of peace, the USA, does not reprimand Israel when it is wrong and give Israel superior dominance of US weapons, when it condones everthing that Israel does and condemn every thing that Palestine does. Shai with that being the first fact the USA is unable to make an equitable peace, thereby keeping Hamas in power. It is time for the rest of the world step up to the plate.


Dianne   January 4th, 2009 5:07 am ET

Shai,
Have a good Happy New Year, and I hope with all my heart that 2009 later, of course, bring respite for us all. God knows it is much needed. Thank you for the lively exchange of ideas. Take Care. I am sure we will chat again on LKL. Thank You Shai


Lilian   January 4th, 2009 5:49 am ET

HAMAS please STOP your rocketing. Pleasessss, for the good of the palestine and Isreal.

The whole world should pls help to beg HAMAS to stop their evil. If they really want a fight, then they should go to the open where there are no civilians.

HAMAS is popular because, the palestinians are scared of the evil they will get if they resist them. They are not popular because they are helping. Is is this help? When you hide behind your wife and innocent children to throw rockects. You want your wives and kids to be killed first before yourself? What an EVIL. God give Isreal, true palestinians and all who love truth victory.

This is no matter of unity. The Palestinians should revolt against Hamas- What are they scared of? Death? By this evil act of hamas, they are still in harms way anyway. So why not die resisting evil.


Skip Maul   January 4th, 2009 6:40 am ET

Once again the media as well as Hamas continues whipping a dead horse ... just exactly what part of STOP firing rockets is not understood ?


lynn   January 4th, 2009 8:44 am ET

I cant blame hamas at this point ..people forget they are palestinian defending there right to live and fight hugner ..and what israil doing from killing women and childrens and hiting ambulance( for god sake they do nothing but to save lives ) ..i wish the media in US be honest and true in giving the right picture from hospitals and streets ...For israil all citisen are hamas and all ages......in what world or religion accept churst or mosques to be hit what fault people did praying !!!... iam christian and i wouldnt accpet achurch to be hit for praying... where the human rights where the human conscious..from all whats happening,unfortunatly UN has no power to stop israil anymore...as long us ( govermnet) giving green light ...almost 500 been killed what more they want its a war ,doest that remind of iraq war who lost but the civilians who deny it was the unjustefy war..what presdint Bush wants more...Is he hungry for more blood?......any person with conscoius refuse what seen on tv...but maybe i or am sure the media not fair to gaza as it should be ..


lynn   January 4th, 2009 9:06 am ET

I feel sorry for how the world become....blood shed and no more for human rights or childfren right of living in peace.its the least of there rights...its aheart breaken what seen on tv from women ,children men killded and badly injured and no hand to reach for help !


george   January 4th, 2009 9:24 am ET

Who is the terrorist and who is the self-defender?The answer is given quite clearly by the protesters all over the world.The extreme violence practised by Israel in Gaza cannot be compared with any action of the Hamas and cannot be justified in any way.Those people are desperate and humiliated continously.They can't even breathe without Israeli permission.Unfortunately,brainwashing is working efficiently.


mohammed ali   January 4th, 2009 9:39 am ET

i have a question for the israelis. if there war ia against hamas why are they stoppid food and medical supplies reach to the innocent civilians?? and they wan to target hamas so why do they destroy prayer houses and schools? this show that israelis are TERRORISTS and hamas is just defending the palestinians


henry c. smith   January 4th, 2009 10:14 am ET

lillian, the rockets are not the cause of this massacre. it is the effect.


henry c. smith   January 4th, 2009 10:18 am ET

the answer to peace between palestine and israel:

palestine, hire bush and cheney.


mohammed ali   January 4th, 2009 10:20 am ET

well i bet cnn will not post this comment but well lemme try. wat u see in this west news stations are propaganda if u wana knw how the palestinians suffer and how they are tortuered watch al jazeera and presstv


O. Aina   January 4th, 2009 10:21 am ET

This is not the time to take sides. Rather, it's a time to seek out the truth of this predicament from it's unfortunate beginings and utilize the benefit of historic hindsight to proffer lasting solutions.

Unbridled Xenophobia will unfortunately remain mankind's foremost bane, whether in the form of an Alaskan hockey mom, a venomous internet blogger, a suicidal Arab or a warring Jew. On the other hand, heartfelt tolerance and an acute awareness of the futility of selfishness will almost always produce humanity's finest hour.

Perhaps, the global elite and susceptible masses that swirl in their elaborately skewed systems will seek this higher way for the Middle East predicament and the many other crisis that rage across the hemisphere.


Cecil Jones   January 4th, 2009 10:26 am ET

Fences do make good neighbors. What they need is a "Three State" solution. The UN needs to take over the ground that Israel just took. It's a Domestic dispute where the wife is throwing dishes, rocks, and launching rockets and now the husband is ready to murder her in anger. Both are wrong, but only one can live with Israel's solution. Stop them, seperate them, and then help them respectfully work on a divorce.


Cecil Jones   January 4th, 2009 10:32 am ET

UN, French, Chineese, Egyptian, and Russian Troops need to storm into Gaza to neutralize the advances of Israel. Where are the police? If America remains on the sidelines the World must act to create a "Three State Solution."


mohammed ali   January 4th, 2009 10:37 am ET

i would also like to say that what wrng has hamas done?? israel started the war before the zionist state of israel was created palestine was peaceful but after it was created u can see 80%of palestinian land is now israel and the israelis still want more so they r attacking gaza. hamas is a resistance move which will stop that.
like hizbullah defeated israel hamas will defeat israel.
bush the american president supplies israel with weapons to use on palestine. curses on israel n bush


Sonya   January 4th, 2009 11:11 am ET

The greatest act of terrorism is the fact that Israel is an occupying force.............when there is occupation, there is going to be strong resistance (some call terrorism)....... when Israel recognizes Palestinian rights then maybe peace can be achieved......... but till now, Israel is the biggest bully of all time!! How can an occupying force says it is defending itself is truly beyond me!!!


Shai   January 4th, 2009 12:40 pm ET

Sonya, reality check. Israel left Gaza totaly few years ago. The border with Gaza is now the same as it was in 1948. Israel is NOT occupying any lands in Gaza. Therefore, using that as an excuse is irelevant.


rose   January 4th, 2009 12:46 pm ET

Where are the other Arab countries? Saudis, Iranians, Egyptians, Jordanians, Syrians, and the other 16 Arab countries? Why don't they come to the defence of the Palestians?

What's happening in Palestine is attrocious. Given the history of Jews in terms of bing in concentration camps; Israel should be ashamed given the way they treat the Palestinians over and again. They only do because they have the support of the US and Britain. If Israel did not have their support, where would Israel be?


mariem   January 4th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

the biggest terrorist country in the world is Israel , 80 children and 42 women were killed , the most of 500 killed were innocent they are not hamas's leader as they said. and Israel is not defending itself it just a pretext to have the land of ghaza in order to make the dream of greater Israel . and once Israel start to respect Palestinian's right then it may have peace. Palestinian will stay in there land however what's happen to them they will never Give up. Palestinian will defeat Israel Inchalah.

to Jordan: you said that Arabic people are animals and i said that animals are more respectful then you racist,


Aly   January 4th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

The land that belonged to the palestinians in the first place should not have been taken by Israel....if american and british were so bothered about jewish having their own land why didnt they give a part of america...it is huge after all...
considering that this land belongs to the palestinians anyway...if you have no rights in your own homeland then what can you expect people to do but resist and attack...
What can people do but attack in any way they can when they are being kicked and beaten out of their own homes...what would any of us do in that situation but fight the bullies back...?
Without taking sides please think humanly...just because the palestinians are poor and not strong nation does not mean they are treated like animals in the world as if they dont feel the pain or hurt...and if one israeli dies it is bombarded across newspapers and news channels and yet 100's of palestinians are dying and people are acting like nothing is happening....
We keep hearing about the rocket attacks against Israel...but not about why those rocket attacks were happening in the first place.
Has everyone lost their minds??? Innocent people are dying and everyone is twiddling their thumbs and acting like nothing is happening. WHAT is going on? Every human life is precious to the people around them...HOW can people let this carry on. HOW???


henry c. smith   January 4th, 2009 1:11 pm ET

war and killing each other is not the answer. it breeds hatred and brings more violence... and horrible suffering.

when younger intellectuals, who are more open-minded and tolerant, are the leaders of their governments – then there will be peace.

they will deplore violence against children and build their countries
for citizens to live normally and peacefully-
it starts with education. tolerance. and a desire to give people the opportunity to have a good future. all people have the right to live and raise their families. and to know happiness.


dominique   January 4th, 2009 1:15 pm ET

Shai, they are starving them..... Not allowing them to move.to get medical supplies, to have an economy, and be able to live with any dignity....
And remember, Gaza is a refugee camp...
All those people use to live in what now is known as Israel.. We all seem to forget that...
And maybe the border of gaza is same as 1948, but certainely not what they were in 1947 right?
Do not take me wrong, I am Jewish, I have family in Israel... but getting sick of all the propaganda....
Some days, more lately than ever, I am ashamed to be Jewish


dominique   January 4th, 2009 1:17 pm ET

As I said earlier, dropping a nuc in Gaza is probably more humane...
We are the new Nazis....


mariem   January 4th, 2009 1:22 pm ET

the biggest terrorist country in the world is Israel , 80 children and 42 women were killed , the most of 500 killed were innocent they are not hamas's leader as they said. and Israel is not defending itself it just a pretext to have the land of ghaza in order to make the dream of greater Israel . and once Israel start to respect Palestinian's right then it may have peace. Palestinian will stay in there land however what's happen to them they will never Give up. Palestinian will defeat Israel Inchalah.
CNN why you never show what's really happen in Ghaza? why you hide the truth? Stop supporting Israel CNN

to Jordan: you said that Arabic people are animals and i said that animals are more respectful then you racist,


dominique   January 4th, 2009 1:23 pm ET

Shai... Remember that Gaza is a refugee camp.. these people use to live in what now is known as Israel...
They are under siege, under the ruling of Israel.. no medication, trickling food, no economy, no way to achieve any dignity...
Borders might be same as 1948 but certainly different than 1947...right...
Don t take me wrong, I am against Hamas and their rockets... and realistically they know they can t win against Israels army... It s a cry of despair...
My Grandma who was in a concentration camp is probably turning in her grave seeing what her own people are doing...
Jewish and has to say, it, these days, Ashamed of it....


Tom Weisman   January 4th, 2009 1:23 pm ET

Israel, must eliminate all those who support and sympathise with islamic terrorist organization hamas, islamic-jihad, hezbollah. I wish that they will not leave this war half-undone like they left the war with islamic terrorist organization hezbollah half-undone 2 years ago. Distroying hamas's weapons cache or rockets is not enough. Israel must kill hamas's top brass khaled mashal, ismail haniyah etc. and kill the entire generation which supports hamas, islamic-jihad and hezbollah along with their women because those women will give birth to the next generation of islamic terrorists.


Glenn   January 4th, 2009 1:35 pm ET

I am so tired of all this talk that gets nowhere so Israel needs to just shoot them all and let the Lord sort them out since that is where they want to go anyways, come on they strap bombs to themselves and then die so they can get their 72 virgins, they need to wake up and get with it, and people say the Palestinians are innocent, just check out out some Palestine TV and you will see how innocent they are, don't get me wrong I'm sure there are a few Palestinians that want peace but the amount of them is so so few, besides Israel gave them a fair warning to get out of the way before the attack started but no they choose to stay and be human shields so they deserve everything that they get, remember only the good die young so if they are good then they should die if not then they can loose a limb or two. Glenn from Florida.
"Stand before me as a man, attack me and I will defend myself"


henry c. smith   January 4th, 2009 1:35 pm ET

dominique

....you are the example of the thinking of the newer generations way.
this is the only way change will happen.

this is an example of why and how the US is begging for change- the people spoke. they elected an intellect who is a humanitarian.

'no more past generation, old mind way of doing things because of greed. no more warped, power-hungry leaders.'


eliad   January 4th, 2009 1:45 pm ET

Everybody is talking about the fact that Palestinian civilians are dying and I am really sad to see children and women laying dead but why the death of Israeli civilians is so convenient for the international society in the last 8 years prior to this operation in gaza the hamas and some other terrorist groups like him killed more than 420 civilians and wound more than 7000 in rockets barrage and suicide bombing why no one demonstrated then for the Israeli civilians why the world was quiet


Shai   January 4th, 2009 1:46 pm ET

Dominique, I remind you that the germans used gas chambers against civilians and lthe israelis use laser guided missiles agianst Hamas militants. Implying that this similar actions in any way and that Israel is pursuing a genoside is sick. What is wrong with you?


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