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August 17, 2010

ICYMI: Pat Tillman's Parents

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Gerald Jolly   August 17th, 2010 11:47 am ET

When we look into the face of greed, despicable conduct, self serving and selfish conduct.

"IMMEDIATELY" the face of Pat Tillman's mother shows up.

During last night's Larry King program Pat's mother interupted Larry and several other speakers to promote her book and the forth coming documentary for which she makes money off of.

When we are in the process of raising our children we tell them the story of the "AWFULL WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST" but we never show them a picture of that awfull creature.

Last night more than five million people were provided with a look at that terrible WITCH.

For every wonderful and suffering mother of a lost son/daughter in war, this writer apologizes for the conduct of this vindictive and evil person.

SHAME ON YOU!!


Cajazz76:24:8   August 17th, 2010 2:00 pm ET

This is like deja vu on a diametrically opposed bookshelf in a Barnes and Noble bookstore...I see a decade or so younger version of Elizabeth Edward's hawking a book...and a broken ex-husband that is still very much suffering from the grief of losing his son...


Ed   August 17th, 2010 4:48 pm ET

Larry: Before you fold the tent up you should consider having me on your show as a first time one time exclusive no one can ever ever top. I'm the real deal as you very well know and for one puny MIL you'll be etched in broadcast greatness for eternity. You have my e-mail address and I'm game. It will be great with many topics available. Music, sports, politics, environment, history, technological developments, work tactics, and the list goes on and on.. Every TV in the world will be glued. Ed.


teresa, oh   August 17th, 2010 6:21 pm ET

I'm shocked at you threes comments. Perhaps she wants to promote the book as a way of keeping her beloved son Alive? Also, the govt used him -in her opinion -as to gain positive reinforcement for the war cause. Perhaps she needs money to keep searching for answers... talk dont come cheap– especially those working for the govt. I find both Mom and Dad Tillman to be very careful in their wording and that is for good cause.

After watching Mom Tillman it got me to thinking ( which often hurts my head)... I wonder : many men and women are DEVOTED to the "cause" of the US govt no matter where they are sent. Devoted enough to give their lives for.

In light of that: perhaps many devoted men and women wouldnt mind laying down their lives for FRIENDLY fire if they knew it was to Promote the govts agenda? just a thought. Do they only give away their lives in the event the ENEMY takes it?

Think of all the wars we've had.... and only with the technology in the last two decades have we learned more and more about our corrupt govt and the lies they tell about their soldiers deaths. Imagine all the deaths that were from friendly fire over the years and no one was the wiser.


Gerald Jolly   August 17th, 2010 6:25 pm ET

@ Ed, do you have an agent.?

Are you of the jewish faith?

If you dont have either of the above criteria.

FORGET IT!!


Smith in Oregon   August 17th, 2010 7:16 pm ET

Russia will begin helping Iran load nuclear fuel rods into the civilian Bushehr nuclear reactor this Saturday. If Israel were to bomb the civilian Bushehr reactor after the fuel rods are loaded, that would likely spread radioactive fallout thru-out that region, greatly bringing direct condemnation on Israel thru-out the entire Middle East.

Previously Israel bombed Iraq's civilian nuclear reactor just prior to it's being loaded with fuel rods and operational. Israel also bombed an alleged fuel rod conversion plant in Syria before it was fully operational. Odd's are that Israel will do the same to Iraq, however there is much more at stake with both Russia and China's interest in Iran and North Korea closely following the affairs in Iran.

Iran has leased and purchased some of the worlds most advanced tunneling machines and has used them to build extensive military complexes deep within Iranian mountains making them entirely immune to conventional bunk-busting aerial bombs. Each of those would take Multiple Nuclear bombs to destroy them. Israel could attack them with conventional bunker busting aerial bombs in a crass and callous attempt to draw America into a war against Iran, but that would only anger Iran and do nothing in regards to destroying those targets.

Meanwhile America has massed a large Naval 'war-games' off the shore of Korea. Obviously the overwhelming concern by the US Military is that Israel attacks Iran and North Korea attacks South Korea in response. Many American lives hang in the balance and Iran is following the NPT International treaty entirely. When is Israel held to obeying International Laws?

Russian inspectors and engineers would likely be killed and undoubtedly Russia would respond by placing S-300 advanced anti-aircraft missile battery's across Iran's military complex sites which Iran has allegedly already paid Russia for but have not received delivery of them.

It looks like yet another difficult week for international affairs brought on by Israel's current war drumming government. Under International Law, Iran has signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and has International legal rights to obtain and use civilian nuclear reactors for Science, Medical and Electrical Power generation purposes.


Greg Woodward   August 17th, 2010 7:38 pm ET

Can you please let me know the name of the book Pat's Mother spoke about at the conclusion of the program last night

Thanks


Jerry   August 17th, 2010 8:06 pm ET

I cannot help but believe that Cheny, Rumsfeld, and others, by the way they promoted this war, should be tried as war criminals. Pres. Bush just a dummy along for the ride.


Sheryl   August 17th, 2010 9:26 pm ET

No I do not believe in gay marriage. I have gay friends but believe a marriage should be only between a man and a woman.


General Dr Bad 5 Star SFSOCO   August 17th, 2010 11:44 pm ET

look at these crap posts. nothing about Pats Murder.
lots of destraction and spam and putting down his mother.
Pat was shot standing up first.
then again 2 or more times after he hit the ground.
there was no enemy fire.
and once agin you see how much america cares about those Troops.
Or Pat. Or Casey. Or Adam or,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,


Rory O'Mara   August 17th, 2010 11:46 pm ET

I will never forget a high school intercom announcement when my friend Mary Beth Tillman's sister's husband was dead


Smith in Oregon   August 18th, 2010 1:50 am ET

@ General Dr Bad 5 Star SFSOCO, as Pat Tillman's mother pointed out, the medic that examined Pat Tillman's body immediately noticed he had been repeatedly shot by a 50 caliber machine gun, not a Taliban's AK-47.

Just about any competent soldier would see the same thing with nothing but a mere glance at the wounds. You state there was no enemy fire, is that in a un-doctored official report on this case of fratricide?

The Ranger platoon had spotted the insurgents and split into two groups, Pat Tillmans group raced ahead on foot and the other group lagged behind them in their armored vehicles. In various light conditions it is well established how one group distinguishes the other. Team A absolutely knew Team B was in front of them, Team B absolutely knew Team A was behind them.

The sought insurgents could have lightly engaged Team A in relative close proximity to Team B causing Team A to open fire on their fellow troops ahead of them. Any insurgent commander experienced in combat would have done precisely that.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal appears to have deliberately falsified a US Homicide investigation report on Pat Tillmans fratricide death.

There seems to be several breakdown's by the Rangers in this operation which placed Team B in the direct line of fire by Team A without adequate means to communicate the mix-up in real time.

General Dr Bad 5 Star SFSOCO, here's your stage, fill in the blanks to help us learn more about the tragic deaths of Pat Tillman and the Rangers own team interpreter.


Ted   August 18th, 2010 8:48 am ET

Watching Ms. Tillman talk, you see a cold businesswoman who tries to benefit from the death of her son.
The father is a soft and weak person, who probably never had anything to say in the family.
He is a lawyer, so instead of feeling sorry for himself, he should move mountains to get information on the death of Pat. We are still a democracy, where he has certain rights!
He owes this to himself, to his sons and to those who admired Pat.
Not to forget our nation, that doesn´t condon murders and cover ups in the ranks of our military.


Gerald Jolly   August 18th, 2010 10:05 am ET

@ General Dr. Bad 5 star.

Reference to the FIVE STAR is that the whiskey you're drinking???


Gerald Jolly   August 18th, 2010 10:07 am ET

@ Greg.

You aught to pay more attention.

She named the book five times during the program.


Donald L Allen   August 18th, 2010 11:37 am ET

well I like OBAMA speech it was good in it Own way But I,M here to say the Def it a Joke on it Own way I no already you the US don,t see it My way And I,M here to say the Def I no you Ned to no the differents from still and Lin and the way you Do your Business see Microsoft Window stool cover 2,000 files off My computer and I no they can do the same to you and I,M here to warn you they well they said to me the Files or the Files of Microsoft and wen you say My files or your,s that is saying what every you Do Belong to me the source not you no mater what you do you or gonna do what I say so get your store strata tell the Rufe I Wat to here it and no more Lie tell the Rufe that is it that is what I want to here no trading no giving no more Joke Just a strait thing that is what I Ned to here OBAMA get it like it is and the Big corp or doing Just what you no that is nutting and execked mine don,t Bird road Just remember it I do have a future to show you But it up to you to Pave the way and don,t tell so many Lie see it My way or the road way see you


Donald L Allen   August 18th, 2010 11:38 am ET

well I like OBAMA speech it was good in it Own way But I,M here to say the Def it a Joke on it Own way I no already you the US don,t see it My way And I,M here to say the Def I no you Ned to no the differents from still and Lin and the way you Do your Business see Microsoft Window stool cover 2,000 files off My computer and I no they can do the same to you and I,M here to warn you they well they said to me the Files or the Files of Microsoft and wen you say My files or your,s that is saying what every you Do Belong to me the source not you no mater what you do you or gonna do what I say so get your store strata tell the Rufe I Wat to here it and no more Lie tell the Rufe that is it that is what I want to here no trading no giving no more Joke Just a strait thing that is what I Ned to here OBAMA get it like it is and the Big corp or doing Just what you no that is nutting and execked mine don,t Bird road Just remember it I do have a future to show you But it up to you to Pave the way and don,t tell so many Lie see it My way or the road way see you Donald L Allen PS what they Hop to do you see is to take it and then make shere you have no copy see I no what you or trying it well not work with me I no Be as Bad as you no How Simon Like to Play and I think you do to see you


Gerald Jolly   August 18th, 2010 5:03 pm ET

@ Ted.

Well said, on all points.


Gerald Jolly   August 18th, 2010 5:12 pm ET

@ General bad 5 Star.

It's time for you to come forward with the detailed information on how you witnessed Pat Tillman being shot while he was standing up and how after he fell he was shot two more times.

Obviously you were there, as your account shows us by your statement.

Did you know that your 5 STAR whiskey is made by Seagrams distillers in Canada, is that where you got your reported "5 STARS" was it in the Canadian military??

I only ask the question, because after researching the subject it seems that there are no 5STAR Generals in the Canadian military.

Please explain!!!


Lucy   August 18th, 2010 6:35 pm ET

This story is sad and infuriating. I live in a fairly small, southern city. I doubt the film will be shown where I live.

I hope folks will come back on your show when it's available via TV.


Nina Fox   August 19th, 2010 1:15 pm ET

@ teresa, oh

Well stated. “I wonder : many men and women are DEVOTED to the "cause" of the US govt no matter where they are sent. Devoted enough to give their lives for.”

My husband wanted desperately to be sent to Beirut because of “cause and nobility” … he and his friends felt they would be of service to the US not to mention protecting us. I pleated with him; there is no cause, it’s a scam, but he bought the entire military propaganda since he was Air Force. He returned a changed man. It is sad to see someone go off to war with valor on their mind only to find out, it was a scam!


Nina Fox   August 19th, 2010 1:25 pm ET

Regarding ‘friendly fire’ …… It happens more than anyone can even imagine. I worked for DOD on Hellenikon Air Base in Greece which had one of the closest hospitals available for Middle East combat veterans specifically dealing with brain injury. We saw a lot of wounds attributed to ‘friendly fire’ It was never discussed due to the nature of the situation.


Dodie   August 19th, 2010 5:07 pm ET

Sometimes it is difficult to tell whether or not a person is grieving. People display this process according to their temperament. If Mrs. Tillman was a naturally strong personality and used to giving demands, this might account for her disposition. I prefer to keep an open mind; as a mother, I cannot even imagine trying to make money off my son’s death. It just does not compute…...


Jill   September 8th, 2010 3:09 am ET

I saw the documentary in Arizona over the weekend which is well worth seeing if showing in your area. While there is no definitive answer on why or exactly which other Ranger shot Pat, the movie clearly displays the cover-up of higher officials. Many of the previous posts slam Mrs. Tillman for using the show to promote her book and being overly strong. It appears as though she spent over 2 years investigating her son's senseless death to unravel the truth, then her and her former husband single- handedly take on the military in a forum that is supposed to be founded on fairness and justice only to be taken through a dog and pony show. After all of these years I would think Pat's parents are at their end trying to be heard and since Congress didn't sincerely investigate the cover up the only way to get their / Pat's story out is through shows such as this and through her book. So what if she is promoting the story; it's her story to tell about her son and how the government used her son as the poster child for war heros which the family states is wrong. I would be furious as well and would want countless people to read the book to reveal the cover up and the lying officers in charge of our troops. No parent, regardless of circumstance, should be lied to about how their child was killed. She's just the lioness with a strong roar protecting her cub and no General should under estimate the power of a mother.

If they hadn't of lied in the first place and fabricated a cover up Pat's parents probably wouldn't feel the need to be heard; hence cause and affect.

And to Pat, thank you for your service. I appreciate my freedom.


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