August 16, 2010

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Pat Tillman: A Family’s Fight for Truth

Pat Tillman gave up an NFL career to fight for
his country – only to be killed in Afghanistan.
The military covered up the truth about his death.  Now, a shocking film documents
his mother’s fight to reveal what really happened.  His parents speak out together for the first time!

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Cajazz76:24:8   August 16th, 2010 7:10 pm ET

Yes, in a dirty deed of an errant U.S. Army sniper, the life of the "poster boy of army recruitment" was snuffed out. If it wasn't for a tight group of three rounds in his head, former General 'Stumpy' McChrystal may have detailed his death as a suicide, rather than fill out all the paperwork to give his survivor's a Silver Star, a Purple Heart, a folded flag, and a promotion to Corporal. Pat Tillman's body was cremated and his ashes spread off the California coast, but what was buried were the lies and deceit of the Bush-Cheney follies.

Pat Tillman deplored the Iraqi War and Bush's policies, according to his peers and his brother, who joined the U.S. Army with him. If Pat had not been a victim of fratricide, he would have expressed the exact same sentiments for the Afghani War. If he were educated on the facts that led to 9-11, he most likely would not have entered the U.S. Army and stayed in the NFL.

McChrystal will now be teaching junior' Bushionists' at Yale University on how to distort and decimate international protocol and relation's on a global nightmare that had been exacerbated by his mentor's, his Commander-In-Chief and subordinates from 2000-2008. The 'Baby Blue Bush Boy' took his father's feats during WWII to view war as enchanting and fascinating, having never had the opportunity to fight one in uniform and didn't understand that when it ceases to be popular, it becomes vile and vulgar. I do have the slightest suspicion's that the sensible and the living veteran's of all war's have alway's viewed that the Iraqi and Afghani Wars have been categorized, before their onset, as the futile outcome they have been, and will be, by an unknown hand writing history. Who in their 'right-wing' mind's thinks that we will benefit from a prolonged and protracted war and that we will live in peace as an excuse to conduct one? ...Silly Human Race..

Bottom line to the sublime and moral cultures of the right wing and the left, as well, it was the formation of Zionist Israel in 1948 by Zionist European Jews, African Jews, and Palestinian Jews seeking a Zionist state that has led us down the path toward eventual destruction, albeit our economy, our landscapes, ourselves, or all. Don't ignore the fact that Muslim extremists, bound for the glory and benefits of their Plasticine Heaven, that the cause and catalyst of September 11, 2001 was anything less, than the creation of the Zionist State of Israel. Pat Tillman, was an agnostic...the only reasonable conclusion to assess our end of life's reality and the only viable method to appease our right temporal lobe delusions. Silly Human Race.

America has made an enemy of one of three core Abrahamic religions...that has not been hampered by the progression of mankind or his inventions, since the 7th century. They have neither a crucified Jesus on a rope or above their sun visor's, a brass Menorah, or any other symbols to purport their beliefs, but they do have the pages of distorted and abashed platitudes that propels their intense conviction's. This is the enemy that the United States of America and its NATO Allies chose to go to war with. If Viet Nam wasn't a symbol of what extreme belief and conviction's result in, then take it as a WARNING those flag covered silver boxes arriving daily at Dover AFB, Maryland will.

The 9-11 planner's and conspirator's would have been long been dealt justice if the Bush-Cheney Administration would have viewed in as it was...a monstrous crime and dealt with it accordingly...through the Justice Department...not the U.S. Armed Forces and its NATO Allies. War is stupid and just as stupid is the thought they will ever end until mankind becomes obsolete and if the proliferation of nuclear weapons is not abated, sticks and stones will be used to fight the last ones..again Silly Human Race..caj..

Always remember the name of Pat Tillman as an American Hero. It was his life's aspirations to "always do the right thing", a sentiment that is as uncommon as valor.

Sam   August 16th, 2010 7:40 pm ET

Can somenody tell me when Larry's interview with Ronald Reagan in 1990 will be rerun?

Dodie   August 16th, 2010 7:51 pm ET

Pat Tillman’s death in 2004 was covered up by the military; who presented him as killed in action during a charge against the Taliban militants. The truth is that this man curtailed his profession as a football star in order to enlist as an Army Ranger and was actually killed from ‘friendly fire’. Pat Tillman is well known because of his fame; however, my question would be….how many Pat Tillmans have died in Afghanistan to what avail? Afghanistan is made up of many tribes. They are not interested in “Democracy” so our ideology of selling Democracy is fugal at best. If you think we are in Afghanistan because of the Taliban, think again; since, there is less than a couple hundred reported. The question then becomes… why are we really in Afghanistan?

If nothing else, America should have learned that killing innocent people is NOT the way to make friends around the world. We place ourselves and our country at greater risk every time we kill the innocent. This is not a novel idea. In fact the following quoted material will give some explanation of our current situation.

“Throughout America's adventure in free government, our basic purposes have been to keep the peace; to foster progress in human achievement, and to enhance liberty, dignity and integrity among people and among nations. To strive for less would be unworthy of a free and religious people. Any failure traceable to arrogance or our lack of comprehension or readiness to sacrifice would inflict upon us grievous hurt both at home and abroad.

Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small, there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research - these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we wish to travel.
But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs - balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage - balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between actions of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration.

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Down the long lane of the history yet to be written America knows that this world of ours, ever growing smaller, must avoid becoming a community of dreadful fear and hate, and be instead, a proud confederation of mutual trust and respect."
-- Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961

Dwight D. Eisenhower (A general then President) in 1961 warned Americans against the “Military-Industrial Complex”. It is important to understand how warnings have been ignored by the powers in Washington for the past 40 years due to powerful defense contractors who are currently lobbing with surmountable amount of money because Robert Gates, Secretary of Defense has made a stance and said, the US can no longer continue spending $533.8 billion a year plus $130 billion to support overseas contingency operations, primarily in Iraq and Afghanistan. What will be interesting is to see exactly how much power the defense contractors can extrude over the White House. That will be the telling tale….

My heart goes out to Pat Tillman’s family and to all the families who have lost a member through war. May compassion be given for all the innocent indigenous individuals who also lost their lives due to these wars.

Rich   August 16th, 2010 7:52 pm ET

Does Mary Tillman know if it is true that a sniper was assigned to Pat's unit 1 week prior to his death?

Is it true that Pat kept a diary for many years? What happened to his diary?

Did Pat have a meeting scheduled with Noam Chompsky 60 days after he was killed to talk about how unhappy Pat was regarding to how the wars were proscuted? Wasn't this unhappiness a well known fact within Pat's unit?

Kim   August 16th, 2010 8:05 pm ET

We know Mrs. Tillman is aware of many more families that have been lied to by the military as to the "cause of death". Being one of those people, I'd like to know what she thinks about Pallone's paper re: lack of investigation into unattended deaths or injuries. The DOD regulations state, "Any unattended death or injury shall be treated as a crime scene." This is not happening!!!. Evidence has been destroyed in many cases and NCIS, CID, etc. seem to be untouchable and have excuses for everything. When a military person is taken to trial, they are afforded an attorney who is also military.....However, the defendant has the right to hire an outside, civilian attorney to make sure his best interests are represented. Why can't we have an independent, non-biased forum made up of a broad range of experts to look at these cases that weren't handled properly either due to negligence or lack of caring? Don't the men and women who lay down their lives for us deserve the respect of a proper investigation? Not to mention....without a proper investigation, the family is never able to have closure.

Cajazz76:24:8   August 16th, 2010 9:02 pm ET


Pat Tillman's diary was burned along with his clothes and body armor he woe on that day he became a martyr...

Michael Armstrong Sr.   August 16th, 2010 9:06 pm ET

It seams prety clear that this was an accident and the military was trying to protect the guilty soldiers from a court martial and the high profile is going to hang every one for an accident .

Retired SSG. ARMY   August 16th, 2010 9:07 pm ET

I was there when it happenned this is a crime, I have evidence.

Michael Armstrong Sr.   August 16th, 2010 9:11 pm ET

I hope this gentleman is wrong about conspiring to murder buy the military it would be a sad day for America .

Diana in CA   August 16th, 2010 9:12 pm ET

Thanks to the Tillman family for not letting this story die. Clearly, we don't know the entire truth to this day, but at least the top levels of duplicity and lies have been exposed. More investigation needs to be done. I have always thought he was murdered to keep him from expressing his disillusion with the war.

Michael Armstrong Sr.   August 16th, 2010 9:14 pm ET

Heres your witness Retired SSG .Army contact him Larry put him in the spot light to protect him .

Michael Armstrong Sr.   August 16th, 2010 9:19 pm ET

Being in the military plays games with your head and sometimes you loose touch with reality any thing could have happened out there .

Bill Shine   August 16th, 2010 9:21 pm ET

I'm pretty tired of the govenment hiding behind a the name "army"...I'd like to know names. Some body is behind this cover-up.Please ask the Tilmans for names of these jerks

jeff   August 16th, 2010 9:21 pm ET

Dear Miss Tillman
sorry for your loss deeply
Pat would not want you to go on and on like this, he chose to give his life for his country, after your family beggy him not to at the intervention...acciendents happen in war, he was going to help his brother on the hilltop and there was a friendely fire ACCIDENT. It was not right what the military did with the info , war is hard it is not fare or right or just.
But I don't think Pat would want you to go on and on about the incident like you are. The military had info about Pearl Harbor and 911 and it still happened. Life is unjust and unfair. But I dont think Pat would want you to go on like this.

I am very sorry for your loss and pain. You must find peace in forgiveness in your hart. Accidents happen. Everyone loved pat.
I hope you find peace. God Bless.

RandyinIA   August 16th, 2010 9:23 pm ET

Did the Army withdraw the Silver Cross that Tillman was awarded?
Not to take away from his bravery, but he did not qualify for the Silver Cross. Many soldiers have given their life to safe the life of others in the heat of battle. But this was an accident.

lken14   August 16th, 2010 9:24 pm ET

We recently LOST our son to suspicious death as well. I agree with Ms Tilman very much so. Too many families are given no information or convaluted information that does not jive.

Cajazz76:24:8   August 16th, 2010 9:25 pm ET

@Michael Armstoned

I take it you spent nearly a lifetime in the military...The Vietnamese and Japanese and German civilians all said to "thank you for the chocolate".

shice nines   August 16th, 2010 9:26 pm ET

i think this guy definately had a nfl career,i followed his stats in college.The bush adminastration was definatley an american colt when it came to war

Tim   August 16th, 2010 9:26 pm ET

Hi Larry, To the Tillman family, Pat's folks, please keep pushing this issue. Though your son was a great athlete and patriot, his death, but whatever means, was manipulated by those in charge. Their arrogance and lack of respect for our democratic system of command is insulting to me and should be to every American. God bless you all and keep fighting to get to the truth.

Dodie   August 16th, 2010 9:27 pm ET


Well stated as usual....

Not only is Pat Tillman a hero so is every single person who has fought in a war! Thank You!

Jennifer   August 16th, 2010 9:28 pm ET

I am terribly sorry for the loss of such a brave man who fought unselfishly for our country. That being said, as a mother, I am thinking that none of this conspiracy talk would bring my child back. I personally would be more at peace knowing my child was killed in friendly fired by accident than by a vicious group of terrorists who would take pleasure relishing in their sick satisfaction that they murdered an American soldier.
No parent wants to believe that there is a simple, albeit heartbreaking, answer to the death of their beloved child. They want to believe there is a deeper meaning in their death which, in their mind, is the only way to explain the senseless death of their child. But the fact is that friendly fire happens in war and Pat as well as all the other soldiers knew this and willingly and bravely signed up in spite of the enormous risks.

Smith in Oregon   August 16th, 2010 9:31 pm ET

It is simply outrageous that Gen. Stanley McChrystal would falsify a US Army homicide report and not be charged nor stripped of his rank.

It is extremely grievous for a memo traced back to Gen. Stanley McChrystal stating the Pat Tillman death was like presenting the US Army a Steak Dinner during the time investigators were digging thru alleged war crimes that took place in Iraqi Camp NAMA which Gen. Stanley McChrystal was the commanding officer and in nearby Abu Ghraib prison to take the public's attention away from the serious war crimes which appeared to take place in those Iraqi torture sites.

JB   August 16th, 2010 9:35 pm ET

Pat Tillman's death is part of the larger cover up about the war and 9-11

Cajazz76:24:8   August 16th, 2010 9:36 pm ET


He was martyred...a Silver Cross may well be his adornment on which his memory will hang from, but he was given the Silver Star, for which he was callously decorated and he deserves all our decorations of respect and honor....

Michael Armstrong Sr.   August 16th, 2010 9:36 pm ET

@ Cajazz Im sure you served proudly and have a front row tour of duty .

GENE   August 16th, 2010 9:41 pm ET

THE PAT TILLMAN death is sad and whats really sad is our goverment coverup. The Goverment should stand up a say they were wrong and quit blaming others. This goverment is out of control and lies to meet there agenda. My feeling is the USA should bend over backwards to make sure our troops are treated right. The Pat Tillman problem should have not happen in our time.

RandyinIA   August 16th, 2010 9:43 pm ET

The Silver Star was awarded to Pat Tillman in error. This award should not have been awarded to Pat Tillman. He is a hero and was a great example of a great American, but the military jumped the gun in awarding the family a Silver Star.

Mark Aych   August 16th, 2010 9:44 pm ET

To think Pat could have been playing football and enjoying his life, become a great part of america for many years. We were lied to, he was lied to and now lied about. I hope bush and cheney and halliburton are counting their money from this huge fictitious war that was nothing but a money grab. A money grab In the middle east and at home too. Tax cuts during wartime? how patriotic, Bush and Cheney are criminals, while Pat and our poor and middle class soldiers were dying for this country. The upper crust was lining their pockets and dragging the profits to excess, so now when these soldiers get home, what's here for them? what did they fight for? a depression? FDR would kick bush and cheney's ass for the way this war was handled. FDR told the rich during WWII, "If our poor and middle class are going to give their lives for this country, you are going to give your wealth for it." The rich would just die if they had to pay the tax rate FDR imposed during WWII. But our country was unified and financially sound for those soldiers to come home to in the late 40's. We are proud of our soldiers and proud of Pat, but I wonder if you could ever call Bush and Cheney and their henchmen patriots. And they still want to continue the tax cuts, of the rich, by the rich for the rich. how bush could hand those medals out to Pat's family and those parents and those soldiers, knowing full well the piles of money he and his cronies were making on the front and back end. He might as well have said to those hero's and hero's families. "It's not personal, it's just business folks, just good business, this is the greatest country in the world for me, not you." It's just business.

chaney, La.   August 16th, 2010 9:46 pm ET

General Stanley McChrystal walks away with his nice perks and into another nice job, teaching leadership!!!!! I am so sorry for the Tillman family. Pat Tillman was betrayed and it leaves a bitter taste in ones mouth....just how many lies are the American people told?

Jae Wilkins   August 16th, 2010 9:47 pm ET

What a waste of a great human being. A man signs up to defend his country and his own fellows kill him and then lie as to what actually happened.

And what is this nonsense about friendly fire? There is NO such thing. That term should be abandoned because it is ridiculous. It would make more sense to say, "same side fire", or "comrade fire" or "accidental domestic fire". Why? Because it is anything but FRIENDLY! If it leaves you bleeding, injured or dead, it is not friendly!!! It is an oxymoron that sounds more like an insult.


JH Wilkins

Steve H   August 16th, 2010 9:48 pm ET

Mr. King the bottom lineup front is that fratricide is to the army/military what incest is to society. "Big Time Taboo!!!"

I served at the JRTC (Joint Readiness Training Center) at Ft. Polk, LA., as an OC (Observer/Controller) in Operations Group. I served in that capacity for forty rotations, of which three were 'Ranger' rotations. The Rangers are an integral part of the US Army's Special Operation Command and incidents such as the tragic death of Pat Tillman are public affairs nightmares for the chain of command from the bottom up and vice-versa. It is a pitiful shame our government went to such drastic measures to cover up the truth of a very unfortunate, yet not uncommon occurrence.

Michael Armstrong Sr.   August 16th, 2010 9:51 pm ET

I think what everyone should learn from both of these wars was our soldiers died for a lie and a cause different then what we went there for and we need to draw down and get out of both places .

ckesling   August 16th, 2010 9:52 pm ET

god bless all our military branches !!! you all deserve our thanks and praise. we will find out the truth about pat tillmans death when we find out "who killed president kennedy" !!! it is a travesty of justice to cover up all of these deaths...pitifull !!!!

shannon   August 16th, 2010 9:53 pm ET

Its all part of the Elites plan. If enough people are not dying, they figure ways to make it happen. Look into it. Its well known. No Country is safe, most Countries are basically owned, because they are ran by the banking systems and other Global prospects. Just listen to the President talk about Global Government. The U.N. is part of it. The Trilateral is part of it. The Council on Foreign Relations is part of it. The Bildeberg, ect, ect... Elites and their families want population control at around 500 million world wide. Wars help the agenda and make them prosper financially. This is not theory. It is fact! Look into it. Its happening all around you.....

Diana in CA   August 16th, 2010 9:55 pm ET

LK asks, "Now that it's out, why not tell the truth now?" Obviously, because to do so would make them look even worse than they do already, Larry.

Michael Armstrong Sr.   August 16th, 2010 9:59 pm ET

Good night and may God bless America and its warriors .

IKHAN   August 16th, 2010 10:00 pm ET

Hi Larry,
Hi folks.
This is indeed tragic & raises many questions.
@Cajazz,@Dodie, @Smith in Oregon. You have said it all.
Pat Tillman is an American hero & we salute him. His views on war & how it was being prosecuted are not too well known nor is his meeting with Naom Chomsky, a learned & respected Peace Activist.
Hope we all look a little more closely at this All American boy's life & circumstances leading to his losing his life for a war which continues to drain us of precious lives & treasure.

My thoughts & prayers go out to his family who would be rightly proud of him like all of us.

AJ, Potsdam, NY   August 16th, 2010 10:03 pm ET


What the Tillman family (and other such families) were told was "a mistake"? A MISTAKE??

You can't be serious. These were not "mistakes;" these were intentional statements of things known not to be true. They are called "lies."

Former General Stanley McChrystal was part of this cover-up; within a day of Tillman's death, McChrystal was notified that Tillman was a victim of fratricide (good riddance to this dishonorable disgrace). Every other officer, particularly general officers, should have had their careers ended; it is not too late.

Lea- Sedona   August 16th, 2010 10:03 pm ET

I have seen the documentary and believe that Pat Tillman was MURDERED by orders from the top brass in the military on orders from our government, Rumsfeld & Cheney to keep him from talking about the atrocities he was seeing in Afghanistan and how he felt about the war in Iraq. I believe he would have been rather vocal about his observations once his tour was over and being that he was such a high profile person, he would have been all over the news media doing interviews and they didn't want that because they wanted us to believe that their case to go into Iraq and Afghanistan was justified. They lied to try to cover up the truth and make it look like Pat was a hero and saved his men from taking the fire that killed him. Those firing were too close to not know they were firing at their own. They had to obey their orders, no questions.
Those who sent the orders have to live with themselves and somehow justice will prevail.

Penny Palmer   August 16th, 2010 10:08 pm ET

Hi a friend of mine said to watch Larry King tonite becuz its a similiar story to yours. Well my story pertains to my son Corpal Jimenez who was trying out for the USMC boxing team. Doing practice he got hit in the nose and went to the dr. It was diagnosed that there was no break was given asprin and light duty for 7 days. No boxing. That was on feb 27th. On the 28th he went back because the pain was so bad. This time they gave him a antihistamine, nsaid, and percocets. He would than return too the hospital 3 more times in in the next 2 1/2 weeks for increased pain in the head. On the 4th visit he was given a referal to an ENT. The appt was for april 5th. My son would not make it to that appointment. Although he was given a referal he was still cleared to box. the pain was so bad he couldn't hold out untill the ENT appt. He went back for the 5th time complaining of headaches/head pain. The 5th dr cleared as nothing wrong and allowed full active duty. I dont know how the previous dr refered him t a specialist but than the next dr says his fine. I spoke to him on march 19th and he sounded like someone was holding his nose. I said they are letting you box like that. He said the drs said im fine. At that time i didn't know he was also experiencing head pain that was getting worse rather than better. On sat he would attend his practice, only to be sparring when he tells his coach that he can't breathe through his nose. The coach says than you better breathe through your mouth. He would than go on to make my son spar longer than normal matches.
Until my son becomes disoriented. He allows him to leave the ring without supervision. On the tape that came with the investigationI get to see MY SON, MY LIFE fall down twice with no one aknowledgeing it. Eventually one of the boxers notices my son not looking good. He than tells the coach who never leaves the boxing ring. My son goes unconcious never to regain conciousness again. When the 1st responders show up my son is found sitting, slumped over unconcious with a bag of ice on his neck. The responder would than have to walk over to the ring to get information because the coach never stopped the sparring. this is the basic, but there is so much more disorganized, disfunctional, inhumane, down right pathetic stuff. Only thing is it isn't covered up its all wriiten in the investagation n on the video. Only thing is they say you cant touch the military. Which means the medical staff can do what they want. BY THE WAY DID YOU ALL NOTICE THE REALLY BIG THING MISSING IN THIS WHOLE STORY......... AN MRI WAS NEVER DONE. FIVE VISITS FOR NASAL AND HEADACHES AND NO X-RAY/MRI. AND ALLOWED TO BOX!!!!!! HELLO PEOPLE WAKE UP YOUR FAMILY N FRIENDS ARE NOT SAFE!!!! Just a little added note.......was told they dont do full diagnostics because some marines try to fake injuries to get out of work. So that means the marines with real injuries well do i need to tell what happens to them. Lets just say I am not going to get to see my grandchildren that my son talked about having fsince he was 13.

Jae Wilkins   August 16th, 2010 10:11 pm ET

This was a very sad event. A wonderful man has lost his life and for what reason? We will probably never get the real truth about this, but a cover up is so unfair and demeaning to the family and friends of this man.

The military should tell the truth and then clean up this mess by not allowing it to happen again.

Further,the term "friendly fire" should be abandoned. here is NO such thing. If one is left broken,injured, bleeding or dead, it is NOT friendly. It would make more sense to refer to these incidents as "same side fire", "accidental domestic fire", or "comrade fire". These terms are more accurate and clarifies what actually happened.


WESLEY CUFFIE   August 16th, 2010 10:11 pm ET


Thurlow Mayer Jr.   August 16th, 2010 10:13 pm ET

Mr. King,
I just watched the show of our fallen soldiers and it struck me like lightening as to why our own men would be killing our own men....This war started on a bad note from the start. Funding for the war would not be forthcoming unless our men would perish in causualties of war, and thats why our men are killing our own men, yet trying to blame it on the people we are at war with. The leaders of the companies who are giving the orders are at fault as well as the companies that are taking the orders. If we just stood back long enough the problem would resolve itself.

Cajazz76:24:8   August 16th, 2010 10:43 pm ET

If Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld would have prosecuted the destruction of the World Trade Center as the horrendous crime that it was and delegated and relegated the duties to the Department of Justice, instead of the U.S. Armed Forces, 1000 World Trade Centers could have been built or a reward of $1,000,000 EACH could have been used to pay 10,000 Afghani bounty hunters for the capture or silent tongue of bin Laden and his co-conspirator's....for the cost of the Iraqi and Afghani Wars. NOTHING has been accomplished in bringing justice to those murdered on 9/11..and more have died, than on that day for absolutely nothing, but their individual honor and the love they had for this country...that is mortally wounded from the insanity that prevailed in the Bush-Cheney-Rumsfeld White House years.

Kate Malone   August 16th, 2010 10:44 pm ET

I am a white American with a few friends and work associates who are Muslims. Good people and proud to be Americans. They all feel bad and ashamed that what some of their faith are trying to do at ground zero.

I am a Christian and TRY to walk my talk. But I tell you this makes me really angry.

Scenario: Would you build a dog kennel across the street from your neighbors and raise the same breed of dog that you know killed their child and make them look at that every time they pulled in their driveway? NO you would not. Why would they try to hurt these families?

CHRISTINE   August 16th, 2010 10:44 pm ET


(Former) Captain H. James Hulton III   August 16th, 2010 10:53 pm ET

Mary Tillman and the rest of Pat's family all deserve to know the truth of Pat's death. Pat was both a hero in pro football as well as in the US Army. The truth needs to be known for all men and women killed in action for their country. Their survivors deserve the truth each and every time. There is no need for cover ups. I hope LKL: is instrumental in helping bring the total truth to light about Pat Tillman.

Gerald Jolly   August 16th, 2010 11:00 pm ET

Unfortunately Pat Tillman's death could have been averted, but the real travesty of this terrible event lies with some of the leadership of our military are simply not qualified to lead men.

As for Richard Rumsfeld, I think the whole world and the citizens of the U.S. know that he was without doubt the most uncapable person to ever be the secretary of defence for our country.

Although it is important to note the inefficiencies of the two current engagements our troopers are involved in NOTE: "I WILL NOT CALL THEM A WAR" we must acknowledge that the Generals who are calling the shot, are less than competent in what they do.

Igo back to my time in Vietnam, when the lead General of our forces there, Gen. Westmorland famous war cry was "GIVE ME THE ENEMY BODY COUNT" and dont talk to me about our casualties, while after our engagement in Vietnam was over, it was reported that out of 57,000 plus casuaties resulting in death as much as 10% were attributed to friendly fire.

I am not aware if we had anyone as high profile as Pat Tillman, but I can tell you they died just as Pat Tillman did.

Just imagine: Going into a swampy area to retrieve 11 bodies that died from a wronly dropped napalm bomb.


And there wont be a documentary about those troopers.


Cajazz76:24:8   August 16th, 2010 11:15 pm ET

@Kate Malone

First of all the Cordoba Project is a center for all faiths to congregate. It will have a prayer room and that does not make it solely a mosque. Perhaps you should be made aware of what the name Cordoba signifies. It is a city in Spain where all three major faith's lived in peace. There were wars in its past, but eventually it was inhabited peacefully by all.

Your Muslim friends are either lying to you or just trying to appease your sensibilities. It is blocks from "Ground Zero" and it was tagged by the landing gear of one of the aircraft that struck the World Trade Center. The problem in not allowing its alterations to change it from an unused former Burlington coat warehouse to the Cordoba Project, is the right wing fanatics and Christian extremists that are blinded by the First Amendment clauses they seem to feel only apply to the Christian majority in this country...It is not why we chose to be a Republic instead of a direct Democracy.....The minority are also protected by our Constitution and our way to govern this country...Thank your God you have a president who fully understands that...

Alicia   August 16th, 2010 11:20 pm ET

I was moved by the Tillman story this evening and had tears in my heart. It was sad to hear that Pat was agnostic or an atheist. But to hear his father say that there is no proof that there is a God is sad. I believe that Ryan's prayer to God saved his life. It breaks my heart to hear that hero's like Pat, who left a life of possibilities in the NFL and go to the army to fight for our freedom, not believe that we have a Creator, God is our author. Pat did a very noble gesture, by going to fight for our freedom and for that I am eternally grateful. I pray for him and for his family. For Pat's father, I believe you will find peace in Psalm 19.1 ' THE HEAVENS DECLARE THE GLORY OF GOD; THE SKIES PROCLAIM THE WORK OF HIS HANDS'.

Cajazz76:24:8   August 16th, 2010 11:41 pm ET


Why are you so sad that Pat Tillman exercised his rights under our Constitution? Being an Agnostic simplifies the agony that many put upon themselves throughout their lives, our eventual end. Pat Tillman went to war to support and defend that right and was unaware of the real reason we should not have exposed him and all other US. and NATO Armed Forces to the tragedies following 9/11. He didn't pretend to know what ignorant men are sure of...

Walter   August 17th, 2010 12:16 am ET

What happened to the governments appointed by people for people?
A politician is no longer that person who sacrifices his/her life for the well being of others.
Why the cover up?
Where did we go wrong?

imercadin   August 17th, 2010 12:24 am ET

finally some one takes on the military full force this is not an isolated issue i am a patriotic desert storm veteran but the military and the v.a do us wrong more than the general public is aware of.

phoniex1   August 17th, 2010 12:38 am ET

First lest me give my condolences to the Tillman family. I was in the military from 1979-1986 and served overseas in combat situations. The leadership will and do cover-up what they call mistakes. It is a so wrong for the higher ups to cover there own asses so they look good and not admit that accidents happen in combat. Covering it up makes it worse and the confident level in our leadership goes to hell.

Scott   August 17th, 2010 12:50 am ET

I don't know why everyone is suprised about how the military has lied, covered up facts, and tried to keep information to themselves. I am going through a issue with the military and I have a state senator, a congressman, a house member, and the governers office trying to get information from the military without success. It seems that the military can do whatever they want and they don't have to answer to anyone, it doesn't matter what effect it has on soldiers and their families.

phoniex1   August 17th, 2010 12:50 am ET

Let me say first my condolences to the Tillman family. The cover-up of soldiers being killed by friendly fire has been going on for decades. The leadership of this nation in some instances covers there asses so they look good and don'.t give a dam about there men and women serving under them. I served in the Military under combat situations and we did lose one person, there family was told they died in a car accident We were told that it was better for the family and were under orders not to discuss it and then the people involved were transfered out . We all understand that accidents happen but to lie to the families it not right.

Josh   August 17th, 2010 12:56 am ET

The reason the government wont tell the truth now is because the people will loose faith in the system and the people will dig for the truth in the rest of the fn bs the government comes up with!

Carol A. Abaray   August 17th, 2010 1:04 am ET

Larry, I wish to express my deepest sympathies to the parent's of Pat Tillman. He was a fine young man as I am sure that both of their sons have made them proud. I really believe that the one constant in life is human nature. No matter how far we progress technologically, human nature remains a constant. With that thought in mind, I do believe that Pat's death was motivated by many factors not the least of which was envy on the part of some of his fellow soldiers. He was a talented, good-looking, courageous young man, who could easily have chosen an easier life. Instead, he chose to serve his country. Never underestimate the forces at play in human conduct. Remember, jealousy is one of the "seven deadly sins'. I for one will never forget your son. I feel certain that he is in a far, far better world than this.

Ed Dvorak   August 17th, 2010 1:07 am ET

I am a combat veteran of the Vietnam War and I was in a Long Range Patrol unit that was the precursor to the present day 75th Ranger Regiment. We/the LRP's,(pronounced as Lurps) were all grandfathered into the 75th Ranger Regiment in 1968 in Vietnam.

In Vietnam our( LRP's) chances of being killed were rated the following: #1 American Helicopter Gunships and fixed wing aircraft; #2 American artillery; #3 the enemy.

LRP's/Rangers draw the most dangerous missions in the most dangerous areas because of our training, our equipment and the esprit de corps of our units. We lost our first two LRP's to friendly fire and I had personally been wounded three times by friendly fire/accidents. It's the nature of a very serious and deadly game called WAR.

I think it is important to focus on two facts about what the situation was at the time Pat Tillman was killed. First of all this incident started because of an ambush initiated by the enemy on some of the vehicles that were still in the valley/kill zone. Pat Tillman along with other Rangers, who were out of the kill zone, left their vehicles and ran up a hill to try to flank the enemy. This was a logical military response; going to the high ground and flanking the enemy. It is part of the training in almost every US Army Infantry Unit, Marine Corp and Navy Special Warfare Units. Their plan would have been to stop the enemy from firing on the vehicles/Rangers that were still in the kill zone. Pat Tillman's squad had some Afghan soldiers with them on the ridge line and depending on their unit/personal pride their uniforms could have been almost anything, and the Afghans were probably carrying AK-47 rifles. The two troopers on your show never said if they had made radio contact with the troopers that were still in the kill zone to tell them they were flanking the enemy. Pat Tillman's squad may have tried to contact the Rangers that were in the kill zone, but those troopers were fighting for their lives and probably didn't hear them because when your in a fire-fight, especially an ambush situation. All hell is breaking loose and there is so much noise that most of the time you can only hear weapons being fired and see enemy rounds hitting around you.

Secondly, the Sergeant stated that a lot of the Rangers were new guys and hadn't ever been in a fire-fight before, so there were a lot of shattered nerves and most of them fell back on their training which was to gain fire superiority while exiting the kill zone as fast as possible. It appears that the only thing the Rangers in the kill zone knew for sure was that they had been fired on by the enemy and they were returning maximum fire to extricate themselves and their vehicles from the kill zone. Even seasoned Sergeants would have been hard pressed to control the fire, because at that time they apparently thought that there was only enemy soldiers on the hill firing down at them and the Rangers were returning maximum fire, including some large caliber weapons that were mounted on the vehicles.

It is a proven medical fact that during a life and death situation either in combat or as a civilian your body introduces adrenalin which among other things causes you to have tunnel vision and your brain initially goes into the Slow Down Mode. It has something to do with our fight or flight survival mode and the physiological reaction to the adrenalin. I know this to be personally true because I have experienced it in combat.

Pat Tilman's father stated that the Rangers who fired on Pat Tillman were initially approximately 100 yards and then down to forty yards from where Pat's squad was lying on the ridge. I can tell you that it doesn't make a difference how close you are, unless you are face to face. In that situation the Rangers would have been shooting at everything that moved and Pat Tillman's size would not have made a difference. I believe the Rangers truly believed that there were only enemy soldiers on the ridge, thus anything moving was fired on. Plus the fact that Afghan troops were with them probably carrying AK-47's which is the weapon of choice for the Taliban.

The killing of Pat Tillman by friendly fire was a very sad and unfortunate incident, but it occurs more often then most non-combat experienced military personnel and civilians realize.

As to the reason the military lied about what had occurred, I really can't say. It is pure speculation on my part; however, I believe that a high profile, friendly fire incident like the killing of Pat Tillman in a highly trained unit like the Rangers would have been a career ending blow for all of the officer's involved, up to and probably including a Battalion Commander. Sadly, it appears they went the CYA route and then more lies were told to cover the initial lies as this incident was passed up the chain of command. That is completely counter to the training of officers and to USMCJ, but it obviously occurred.

I want Pat Tillman's family to know that I have a personal friend who was in the 2nd Battalion of the 75th Ranger Regiment and knew Pat. He had been seriously wounded the first time the 2nd Bat was in Iraq and was at Madigan Army Hospital recuperating from his wounds. He said Pat would visit him in the hospital and just hang out like any of his other Ranger buddies. Pat was always encouraging him to keep pushing forward both mentally and physically during his recuperation and physical therapy. That meant a lot to my friend and fellow Ranger and it shows Pat was a true trooper and someone you would want at your side in combat.

I would like to thank Pat's family for their son's service and for him going that extra mile to protect the USA and our people, especially since he didn't have to become embroiled in a war none of us asked for. It does; however, reveal Pat's patriotic core and outstanding moral commitment to our democratic society. They should be very proud of their son and his ultimate sacrifice for us!

Ed Dvorak

Richard B. Brice   August 17th, 2010 1:07 am ET

In August 1993, I was in the Oil Business.

I was approached by a young Man who was looking for a Job as a "Land Man."

He showed his resume. The first page showed he had been a Land Man for a Big International Oil Company.

I asked him about this previous Land Man position.

He told me, " I was a Land Man for this Big International Oil Company, along with four other Large International Oil Companies, we were in Somalia trying to Lease up all of Somalia except for the Mountain Area."

He went on to say, "The Geologist, think the same structure might be the same as on the Arabian Peninsula, the only seperation is the Red Sea."

I asked what the problems had been.

He said, "There was an Educated Somalia War Lord by the name of Mohammed Fara Ah Did, who wanted special provisions for certain parts of Soamlia, but the Oil Companies would not allow the changes to be made to the Lease Agreement."

I believe it was August of 2004, that I met an X Army Sergeant. We both were waiting at a Tire Shop to have New Tires installed on our Vehicles.

I noticed he had a large Scar across the top of his Head.

I asked him how he got the Scar.

He said, "I was driving a vehicle on a Road in Afghanistan and a Road Side Bomb went off and the only thing that saved me was my Helmet."

He went on to say, "I have had four operations on my head and I will still have to have another operation on it."

This was in August and hot, he had on a light "T" Shirt. He lifted his shirt and on the lower right side of his body was a scar.

He said, " I got this in Somalia,"

He turned around and showed me his Back.

He said, "this is where the Bullet came out."

I said, " Were you in on the "Black Hawk Down" fiasco?"

He then said, " I was a Pattoon Sergeant on this event. This is when I was shot. We were pinned down for 14 hours, and they would not give us any more Air Support."

I asked him, " Why were you in a Gun Battle when all you were supposed to be doing was to Feed the Poor People."

He said, "Our orders were to kill the War Lords and we were after Mohammed Fara , . . ..."

I finished it for him, I said , "Mohammed Fara Ha Did?'

He looked at me and said, "I cannot discuss it, it has been Classified,"

We then talked about Afghanistan before he got the Head Injury.

The Conversation came around to going out as a Sergeant in charge of a Plattoon on Patrol.

I asked if anyone ever refused to go out on Patrol.

He said, " that would be a Case of disobeying an Order and he would be shot, which would be friendly Fire."

I asked him, " Could that have happened to the Arizona Foot Ball Player who was reported to have been shot by Friendly Fire?"

He looked at me, but would not respond.

weslynn richardson   August 17th, 2010 1:09 am ET

My son, Chief Petty Officer, William James Richardson was in the Navy for 14 years and last November 11, 2009, Veteran's Day he committed suicide by shooting himself. He was married at the time. I have contacted the Navy, asked for the civilian police report and am still in the process of trying to obtain the investigation that was done as a result of his death. Very quickly I found out that mothers really don't have many rights as to consequences around their son's death in the military especially when there is a spouse involved. Now I have read about suicide and especially in the military and it is a very growing concern. I realize that I am not the only mother who has lost a child in the military, but I have been treated that this isn't a very big deal and HELL yes, it is big deal and we are not nor were our children numbers but darn fine human beings who deserve answers from the U.S. Government as to what happened. Now you can be really quite assured if a government employee lost a child in the military that the information would be furnished to them. Something has got to be done about how our military men are being treated in this current war and all the past wars. Thank you.

Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia   August 17th, 2010 1:15 am ET

Hi Cajazz, Dodie and everyone

Thanks for enlightening me on the life of a man who was snuffed out in the prime of his life.
I hope the U S government will uncover the truth so that his parents can have closure.
My sympathy to his family.
May he rest in peace.

Wil   August 17th, 2010 1:18 am ET

Unfortunately, all of these will soon be forgotten and fall under the radar as time goes by. The government and the military know it also. The bottom line is that the truth will never come out and nobody will be held accountable. What are you going to do about it? What can you do about it? Like Tillman's mom stated, even the Congressional investigation dropped the ball. What can you do when different government entities cover up for each other? The principle of check and balance is gone.

Carol A. Abaray   August 17th, 2010 1:39 am ET

Dear Whoever, I am not entirely sure how to moderate my stated comment. Human nature is what it is both good and bad, decent and indecent. Perhaps, a review oft the seven deadly sins to which I referred is best presented in a film which stars a much younger Brad Pitt and Morgan Freeman. I seem to recall that the film goes by the title "The Seven Deadly Sins". It is not for the faint of heart nor for young viewers. It is perhaps ten to fifteen years old, and it does depict the dark side of human nature. Perhaps, I missed my calling and should have become a preacher.

Cajazz76:24:8   August 17th, 2010 2:00 am ET

Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur,

The truth has been known all along on Pat Tillman's death. It took several conscientious and brave members of his unit to reveal it to his family and the rest of the world. In the time of war, all laws become obscure to the point of being silenced. "In peace sons bury their fathers, but war violates the order of nature, and fathers bury sons"-Herodotus..Histories.

ybs -- Palo Alto, CA   August 17th, 2010 2:02 am ET

Pat, Thanks for your & your family's sacrifice. You are my hero!

Shame on those that covered it up! Where is our arm forces' integrity & morality! And these same thugs (A.K.A. cowards) are against homosexual servicemen. Go figure.

Cajazz76:24:8   August 17th, 2010 2:30 am ET

weslynn richardson

I wish I could say more to comfort you other than war has often been called murder, but it is truly suicide. There is no more tragic way to lose a child or anyone than suicide. I say this from a very deep set of emotions I carry within me for some very special people that were once in my life, and one I once cradled in my arms. Only those who have had the unfortunate opportunity to have lived with that type of loss, would know. I cannot to this day understand fully, the why's, because I see suicide as killing more than one. Those who make that choice do not consider that. I am very deeply saddened for your loss and I am sorry to say that the answers you are searching for may never be found.

Peg Blissman   August 17th, 2010 2:48 am ET

Kudos to Larry King for bringing to light one of the worst horrors of war–the so-called (by whom?) "Friendly Fire". Every time I hear the words, I get a twinge in my stomach and tears in my eyes.

The term has been used many times before, as in the Vietnam war, as an excuse for an "accident", which certainly was not "friendly", but harmful to the lives and reputation of our armed forces as well as Americans' confidence in their training and ability to protect and defend our country.
I agree with JHW that the word "friendly" is not appropriate, and should be eliminated.

Not only does this incident and the others that have taken place make Americans seem heartless and inconsiderate of the fallen victims' families, but contradicts our Constitution, which says we believe in "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness"

How can we call murder "Friendly"? How can we kill the lives of
hundreds of infants in the womb (more than have been killed in combat or abroad, and sing "Let there be peace on earth!" and
"Let Freedom RIng" , and "Sweet Land of Liberty"

Richard   August 17th, 2010 3:33 am ET

This man is a hero for the purity of his heart; along with countless others. The fact that our government, with their little pea brains, thought so little of his family and his sacrifice that they felt they had to lie in order for him to be heroic speaks volumes on behalf of his character and in equal measure of the pettiness and character of our government.

JAY R BARRY   August 17th, 2010 5:22 am ET


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Louis   August 17th, 2010 6:02 am ET

Accidents happen!
In the end it is now time to move on for this family.
We cannot change the past or keep living in the past or get stuck in the past.

Don Ross   August 17th, 2010 6:23 am ET

My heart goes out to the Tillman family. Such a tragic loss – but it certainly isn't a singular happenstance. There will be more loses from friendly fire. It's an ever present hazard of combat. Also, it appears there were flawed orders sent down the chain of command that exacerbated the Tillman unit's cohesiveness and combat awareness in an area known for ambushes.

In the Pacific war it was found that on Guadalcanal and in the Solomons the rate of combat deaths by "Friendly Fire" may have exceeded 12%. As a matter of morale this was kept from the troops and especially the American public. In fact, photos of American dead in the Pacific campaign were never seen in the U.S. press.

In the final analysis, I don't blame the U.S. Army for this fumble. I blame the lies of the U.S. State Department, and by extension all the presidents from Reagan to Obama. A foreign policy built on lies and misdirection.

Ted   August 17th, 2010 8:25 am ET

@ cajazz and Dodie

Both of you pointed out very eloquently how corrupt our military and politicians are and how sad it is that we waste our youth for lies!

Our military is a state within a state that does what it wants and civilian laws are constantly ignored or have no power. The generals are well financed by the big industry and the promised positions after their retirements make sure they act according to the wishes of the military/industrial complex, the real rulers of our nation. We did good if we listenned to President Eisenhower nearly 50 years ago who warned us of the danger.
Forget the for the people by the people nonsense!

We throw the word "hero" around like it was popcorn, cheap and plenty of it.
Pat Tillman was not a hero, he was a misguided young man who though by going to war and killing others will somehow revenge the death of those 3,000 plus who died in the WTC.
He never looked at the cause of that attack, our unconditional support for the state of Israel and the blind eye we have when thousands of palestanians, also moslems, are killed by that bastard and apartheid state. The planes that bomb the towns and refugee camps, the bombs that are dropped, the bullets fired, all are our present to the zionists and are made in the USA.

If Tillman is a hero, than all of those who died in our constant wars are heros, because most of them did not do anything special, but just died for the insatiable power hunger of our big finance and industry.
They were nothing but cannon fodder, wasted for our influence in areas, where we have no right to be.

Those who still believe the nonsense about bringing democracy to Afghanistan should listen: it was reported that huge deposits of oil is suspected in that state.
That is the real cause for that blood letting, in addition to huge deposits of copper, gas, lithium and gold, among other interesting finds. GoldmanSachs is already financing a part of the exploration and hope to make billions.

Cajazz76:24:8   August 17th, 2010 8:57 am ET

@Ed Dvorak

I would recognize a ' bad Czech ' in a dark alley loan shark operation during a monsoon downpour any day...Ed, you should have been the guest on LKL last night. Everything you said was what the Tillman's needed to hear and coming from someone, you... who, without question, has been there, seen it, lived it, and thank goodness you survived it,..their questions would have been answered. The one thing I learned from your excellent blog was how helicopter gunships were viewed as your #1 nemesis. I would have thought from numerous friendly fire 'dustoff missions' that your fellow friendlies in a firefight would have been. Then I quickly assessed a few ' incident's' that were rather close to me and it quickly sunk in. How soon we (forget) that the human condition has been rather good to us. A hundred thousand moving parts all built by the lowest bidder, with inherent 2 per rev. vibrations, isn't a very stable weapons platform and the adrenalin rush, even with constant awareness of it, will always have its inhibiting effects. That's as deep as I wish to go with war stories, but I watched the LKL Show and the one thing that gripped me rather low and disproportionately was Mary Tillman's pimping of her book, Boots On The Ground At Dusk. She made the comment that the hardback version sales were giving 'some proceeds' to the Pat Tillman Foundation, but the paperback profits apparently were just hers. Then she mentioned the new and improved version was out also. She rather put me off during the entire program and at the end of the show she did her book promo. I saw the pain and anguish in her ex-husband's eyes and heard it in his voice and the same emotions were present in the other two ladies whose sons were KIA's under suspicious circumstances. I saw none of that in Mary Tillman's TV persona and I can tell you my eyes would have been pouring tears. Okay Ed, they were..long list of experiences/stories, a short distance to the heart. Your expose' was tremendous and my head and its weakening insight tells me that it wouldn't dare make 'cents' to her because she has an 'In God We Trust' interest in not knowing the truth. I may be so far off on my impressions that Uranus may too close of a distance in a comparison to my distortion of her and Myanus may be packed full of peanut-less rhetorical poop. Did you read her 5 x 5 when she pitched her redact? It still leaves a rather bad taste in my pie hole. Take care Ed..again great blog...

Gerald Jolly   August 17th, 2010 10:09 am ET

Never in my entire life have I witnessed such a despicable, self serving, selfish woman as Pat Tillman's mother.

Throughout the program she interupted other people talking, several times' to promote her book and the scheduled documentary "WHICH SHE WILL GET PAID FOR" to the point where I turned off the sound on my T.V.

In our culture we tell stories to our children about the "WICKED WITCH OF THE WEST"

I now have been able to identify that witch.


Rose   August 17th, 2010 12:32 pm ET

@ Kate Malone

You stated that some Muslims you work with: "all feel bad and ashamed that what some of their faith are trying to do at ground zero." This may be a hyperbole but not everyone thinks that building a multi-faith centre is necessarily negative.

Who on this planet is not ashamed of what "some of their faith" are doing or have done? What religion is free of this? Why is an entire world religion with 1.5 billion adherents being blamed for what 19 individuals did?

Are we not ashamed that millions of right wing Christians in our own country are supporting Israel for religious reasons and promote the brutality/murder occuring against Palestinians, with both political and financial support from many American Christians?

Understandably many New Yorkers (and others) are upset at the location of the proposed Centre. 3,000 innocent people were killed on 9/11. Emotional wounds still remain. Why were they targetted? According to the terrorists – 9/11 was in retaliation for brutal American policies that severely oppressed Muslims in other nations for decades. Their reasoning.

The killing of innocent civilians is wrong under any and all circumstances. To those who protest the Muslim Centre, let us painfully remind ourselves that Americans are responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Muslims due to our wars and support of dictators. Muslims too have lost family members at American hands: children, spouses, parents. Same as we did on 9/11 – except on a much larger and continuous scale.

How quick we are to condemn the location of the proposed Centre due to sensitivities, yet we do not acknowledge that we, as a nation, are responsible for the many deaths of the very same people (Muslims) we now oppose, who wish to build a multi-faith centre. The hypocrisy of this extends far beyond the issue of "location".

Speaking of location, "emotional sensitivity" and "hurt feelings" are not limited to hearts in the US. It is very human and is also applicable to the recipients of US aggression in other "locations" in the world. The protests over the Muslim Centre confirms the myopic attitude of our own "importance" – instead of seeing the larger picture.

Respectfully, this is not meant to take anything away from the gross tragedy of 9/11, only to ask that we not extend it by further targetting others.

Dodie   August 17th, 2010 2:07 pm ET

Surferjoe2020 & Braveheart

Thank you for supplying the links. As I read them, tears flood my eyes. In order for one to be at the point of experiencing so much pain, they would rather die than go on living is tragic! I wish we could take away the pain for those that have walked through hell. I wish there was a way to turn back the hands of time. I wish......

Dodie   August 17th, 2010 2:30 pm ET

@Gerald Jolly
@Ed Dvorak

You all have brought deepened meaning to this web site; with firsthand experience in walking down the path of war. I truly believe, what you share is vital and absolutely necessary. Through your experiences shared, allows for others to start questioning our cause and reasons for the two wars. Sometimes change can only take place, one person at a time.

I want to personally thank each one of you for the willingness to reach deep within yourselves and express to others your personal experiences. It takes courage in allowing yourself to re-experience those feelings and then to express them. I honor your courage.

Finally, Cajazz, I apologize that I ever doubted you.

Richard Cambier   August 17th, 2010 2:51 pm ET

Dear Larry: I really enjoyed your program last night about the Pat tillman Story. I really feel sorry for the family. The Bush/Cheney/Runfield era will surely go down as the worse 8 yrs. in our short History, War in Iraq was a disaster waiting to happen . I am a combat Infantryman from the Korean War. We were fighting in large Mts. and the Temp. in the minus 30's below zero with old worn out clothing and unfit equipment for that weather. The highest ranking officer I ever saw on the front lines was a captain. the higher ranking officers were in Japan doing I don't know what. We really need an overhaul of our depleted Military and we definately have too many Generals and high ranking Officers. Keep up the great broadcasting Larry.
Old Soldier, Richard

IKHAN   August 17th, 2010 6:59 pm ET

Hi Larry
Hi folks.
Pat Tillman's case should not be viewed in isolation though it merits a close & objective scrutiny by itself. But would that happen – I don't think so.
There is a larger picture here to view as some posts here indicate by hinting at other similar incidents.
@Rose,@Dodie,@Cajazz,@Smith in Oregon are doing a tremendous job by contributing on these blogs & trying to bring the readers to consciousness reg the wars, where we are going as a nation as a country.
@Richard Cambier
I salute you & your service to this country. Your thoughts are shared by many of us.
There was a report out today that America has slipped to 12th position in education in the world where once we held our heads high.
Ditto slippage in our credibility, influence, goodwill & respect around the world. Economy, jobs, infrastructure, health care, prison system. The list would go on & on.
No we are not bothered at all where our tax dollars are going or that wars are siphoning us of lives & treasure that our closes allies are milking us dry & pushing us towards a third war in collaboration with those politicians who hold dual loyalty.
No we are happy with the ring side seats that we have, witnessing the dirtiest politics this country has seen. Or watching reality show real live – The Shallow & the Petty followed by the horror epic Hate & Fear in the Liberty Land.

But wait a second – with the rabids & nut cases coming out in droves against the proposed Community center two blocks from Ground Zero, which area by the way houses a Strip Bar & adult video shop, we are in for another sick treat.
Forget the issues folks, lets get on with the entertainment.
Good night, enjoy!

Aaron   August 18th, 2010 12:19 am ET

The loss of any loved one is difficult and me being a soldier for the last 10 years and actively involved in the war on multiple deployments.
The loss of a fellow Soldier hurts, but why are any of the other Soldiers, Marines, Sailors and Airmen that died in this war any less special than Spc. Tillman was.

Pennie l.   August 18th, 2010 2:06 am ET

The truth shall set you free. What ever the truth is it will be revealed,and the guilty will surely suffer' It's a HELL of a thing that was done and hell is where the guilty will be. These guilty persons shall not sleep and not be at peace as long as they shall live.
Free yourself and free your mind.

May God Bless the Tillman Family.

Frank Pacheco   August 18th, 2010 11:47 am ET

I have read both books on this tragedy and now have watched both CNN's and PBS's special on the subject. I happen to be from San Jose so have been following the story since it happened in 2004.
I am looking forward to the documentary but have not heard which network will carry it. Can you help on this .


Dodie   August 18th, 2010 12:25 pm ET


Ah, you said it all....Your wisdom is honored and appreciated.

Why should we be bothered by losing our tax dollars, our retirement which we paid for our entire lives, and eroding this country to a third world power eventually. Chalmers Johnson has a new book released this week entitled: "Dismantling the Empire" He discusses many issues we are concerned about. So tragic that some people can see clearly, but not enough to make the fundamental change. Change must come from us, the American people as it must originate outside the system in Washington. Is it possible "The ole boys club's" strategy is to keep Americans either under acute stress, on drugs or misdirected in order to maintain control and siphon our entire treasury?

Thank you for your generous and kind compliment. It is definitely a sad learning curve. I completely agree pertaining to the Mosque being built 'near' Ground Zero. The best way for this country to empower the Taliban, Al Qaeda and other militants is by showing the world we are NOT a nation that encompasses freedom of religion, but one of bigotry and fear......

CarlyinCanada   August 18th, 2010 12:27 pm ET

Where can we see the documentary that was mentioned?? On TV or in the theatre?? Thanks & God Bless the Tillmans & all the soldiers!

Cajazz76:24:8   August 18th, 2010 7:05 pm ET


The ' Tillman Story ' begins airing Friday, August 20th in selected theaters and it is rated 'R', as all details of war should be...

General Dr Bad 5 Star SFSOCO   August 18th, 2010 10:57 pm ET

Pat Tillman Did What EVERY, Able bodied American Should of done when War was declared.
The lates Pentagon Suicide Report says these Suicides are caused becuase of dropping thier Standards.
Letting in to many drunks, drug addicts and Criminals.
Uncle sam Needs Pat Till Mans.
America thinks this war is a foot ball game.
America has yet tograsp just how much trouble they are in.
Now run your little feet down and Enlist.
All you high dollar jocks and all you macho big mouth males.
Do you speak ANYTHING other then English ???
And this Story is FAR From over.

Mary   August 19th, 2010 12:34 am ET

I can't stand the fact that people are discussing IF a Mosque should or should not be errected near ground zero. OF COURSE NOT! Let's challenge the actual people who want and are pushing it there. Please highlight the actual individuals who think that it is appropriate to build it there; not justify why they have the right.

Avi Klammer   August 19th, 2010 3:58 am ET

The planned construction of the NYC mosque
is not about what house of worship, what religion, or
even the obvious freedom of choice, etc...
It's about translating the Muslim community's claims of fear &
injustice (through discrimmination & profiling from non-Muslims)
into a positive experience-the thoughtful, noble & preemptive
gesture of good faith & fence mending, by dedicating the mosque to the
9/11 victims (which included Muslims!). This act should not have taken
away from Muslims, made them appear weaker or less proud but rather
quite the opposite-msde them an examplary source of humanity, compassion,
& wisdom...!

Rich   August 19th, 2010 10:24 pm ET

People above do not seem to understand that this Arizona Football Player was shot at point blank range becuase he had a confrontation with the some one giving an Order which Pat Tillman disagreed with.

Which is written off as "Friendley Fire."

Linda Pearcey   August 22nd, 2010 6:24 pm ET

First off... I am sorry that Pat Tillman lost his life serving his country. But you know what? So did my brother. No, my brother did not die during any war. He died at Fort Bragg N.C., during a training accident. It will be 28 years on 9/2/2010. I still hurt to this day and as I approach another Septmeber 2nd, and another birthday without my brother ( yes, he was killed on my 22nd birthday), here is another story about Pat Tillman, this time in the form of a movie. Personally, Pat Tillman is not the only one to die by friendly fire, in all history of the Military. And from what I have ever read about what happened, I will admit it is a mess and may have been handled inproperly. There was no media coverage like this when my brother was killed, except the newspaper in our neighorhood when Jimmy died, and that was due to the fact that someone who went to school and my brother and I, covered it. Will there ever be an answer, I doubt it. I have the reports from Fort Bragg about my brother's death, and I have to live with what is in that report and I have to trust that those who investigated my brother's death, did so to the best of their jobs. I hold no ill will towards anyone involved with my brother's was an accident. Call it friendly fire if you like, the end result is that my brother is gone. I have to accept this and move on and hold my brother in my heart, as much as it hurts. I wish those related to Pat Tillman , would do the same. Honor his memory and the memory of those who also lost their lives, combat related or not. They all died serving their country.

Linda S. Pearcey
Dallas, Tx.

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