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June 23, 2010

Politics is King poll – Gen. McChrystal

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Ted   June 23rd, 2010 9:23 am ET

Since WWII a military/industrial complex controls the politics of our nation and it is time President Obama put a little dent into their influence.
General McChrystal´s comment cannot be taken easily, he just made fun of his superior, the Commander of Chief and must be dismissed immediately. Not only he, but all other officers who made derogatory remarks about the President and the Vice-President.
There are other capable officers who can take over the management of that disastreous war and take our troops home ASAP.

We must mention that Gen. McChrystal was the commander of that special unit that tortured the prisoners in Abu Ghrab prison in Iraq and was known to lie about certain things.
It seems high politicians and generals, when they take a fall, they always land, just like the toast, on the buttered side.

If I was the president I would promote him to a 2d Lt. and retire him with that rank.
President Obama must restore the integrity and power of his office, nothing less will suffice.


J   June 23rd, 2010 12:12 pm ET

Ted, Ted... Ted...

"Since WWII... segue into 'vast, reich – wing conspiracy'...

And "promote" a General to 2nd Leutenant."

A general, with the knowlege of the situation on the ground, should get a spanking by a silver tongued stuffed suit?


Don Thieme   June 23rd, 2010 12:12 pm ET

This is an awkward design for a poll. The "No" has it now at 59%, but there is a split favoring resignation over firing. The most popular of the three choices, however, is "Yes" that the President will retain him.


Matthew Benedict   June 23rd, 2010 12:31 pm ET

When is someone going to have a telathon for those who lost their jobs, ran out of unemployment benefits & can't findwork?


Christie   June 23rd, 2010 12:50 pm ET

J,
Well said.


Bobbie   June 23rd, 2010 1:10 pm ET

Gen.McChrystal is awesome at what he does and at telling the truth. More than most that are sitting on the hill !Fire him NO. Someone need's to know what's going on. maybe a round of golf is in order.


ROBERT   June 23rd, 2010 1:37 pm ET

I WOULD DEMOTE HIM & LET HIM GO !!....


Cajazz76:24:8   June 23rd, 2010 2:10 pm ET

@Ted

My response to Idzan should answer your question you posed to me a few weeks ago..

Cajazz76:24:8 June 23rd, 2010 12:43 pm ET
Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur
Malaysia

For the president to allow McChrystal to continue on as Commander of U.S. and NATO Forces in Afghanistan would be political suicide. Please remember all military forces function with discipline being key to their individual survival. To allow an act of insubordination to the Commander -in-Chief to be ignored sends an abhorrent message of weakness to, not only the entire U.S. Armed Forces, but to the world. You may as well remove the U.S. flag from the White House and raise a white flag and signal defeat. If McChrystal is not removed from his command my support for our president will end. I have the confidence that he, without doubt, will do what is necessary and demanded of him by those who elected him and those who serve this nation. There is no alternative to what he must do. The answer was decided when he became aware of McChrystal's childish and self-serving comments. If you look under the epidermis of McChrystal you will see a self-centered and weak leader who is a "Tin Soldier" and well rusted from his false sense of single superiority who admittedly functions with "self-pride" as his motivation rather than leadership and discipline. Idzan, in this case I have to commend you for recognizing the care and compassion this president has, but his leadership must be firm and unwavering because the lives of too many depend on him to act according to the Uniform Code of Military Justice and leave his heart out of it. Take care....

I am still unwavering in my support for our president. Take care Ted...


D B Forester   June 23rd, 2010 2:47 pm ET

Are McCrystal's Statements True ?


Smith in Oregon   June 23rd, 2010 3:20 pm ET

Gen. McCrystal has been relieved of duty and his belongings in Afghanistan are being packed up and sent to him, he won't be returning there as a Army officer.

A great many soldiers are angry at Gen. McCrystal over his ROE's (rules of engagement) which place them in harms way rather than allow them to engage active threats they are accustomed to.

Gen. McCrystal's 'shake and bake' instant Afghanistan police and regional governors is a failed strategy. First and only implemented in Marjah, it is already proving to be a failed strategy in Marjah whose residents overwhelmingly reject the corruption and mass graft of the shake and bake Afghanistan police and governors forced upon them.

Gen. McCrystal was one of the few men that actually 'knew' that Pat Tillman was killed by his own troops (fratricide, KIA by friendly fire), Gen. McCrystal signed a order for Pat Tillman's body to receive the Silver Star, while the Army for months lied about how Pat Tillman died!


Smith in Oregon   June 23rd, 2010 5:07 pm ET

I'm disappointed in CNN not doing the due diligence in finding out exactly 'WHAT' Gen. Stanley McChrystal did for the previous Five Years in the Pentagon prior to The Pentagon Pushing him onto President Obama to take over as the field commander in Afghanistan.

Gen. Stanley McChrystal was in a boiler room cubicle running extremely Black Operations for the Pentagon for the past FIVE years!

Only the most twisted souls direct the Pentagon's extremely Black Operations around the world. Invariably as those Black Operations fail or the intelligence is wrong, a large number of civilian deaths occur. And over the years those collateral damage 'costs' add up on the individuals directing them. Hence, the answer to McChrystal's beady rodent like dark sunken eyes.

I can't imagine the twisted thinking that would pull someone like that from a dark cubicle where he was planted for FIVE years and place him into the field surrounded by soldiers in the field, expecting him to succeed as the field commander in his 'shake and bake' strategy in a large regional battlefront.

Comparing Gen. Patton to Gen. McChrystal is a gross misrepresentation of Gen. Patton's accomplishments and duty's to his fellow soldiers.

Black Op's depend on deception, lies and subterfuge to succeed, undoubtedly Gen. McChrystal's past FIVE years as a director of extremely Black Op's in the Pentagon explains McChrystal's decision to award Pat Tillman's body with The Silver Star when McChrystal knew that Tillman had been gunned down by his own men, and lied to the American public about that fact and continued to do so until several months and private investigations entailed until the truth was revealed.


PJ   June 23rd, 2010 5:39 pm ET

Reading these comments, I would judge I am one of the few/only AD Military to reply. What Gen McCrystal did is inexcusable and I believe that his dismissal was inevitable from the moment he made the comments public. I do not judge him for his opinions–nor should anyone else. We all have the God given right to have them. However, once we voluntarily don a uniform in defense of our country, we sacrifice some of the other rights that all other Americans frequently take for granted–such as unequivocal freedom of speech and expression. While he obviously disagreed with some of the policies of the administration, he can and should have chosen a better way to express those differences–or simply resign, and then be as vocal as he liked. I do suspect that he felt the best way to protect the lives of his soldiers AND accomplish the mission was to stay the course and remain the commander on the battlefield, his personal feelings notwithstanding. Unfortunately, these two courses of action were diametrically opposed and everyone is worse off for it.
As for other rantings on his “crimes”, I’m not nearly as lucky as many of the rest who have posted here. I do not have the gift of divine providence . I do not know what is in a man’s heart and don’t have direct knowledge of many of the classified crime the general committed—and I indeed have a fairly high security clearance. I do know that for an Army officer to remain on active duty for so long, and endure extended separations from family/friends, watch his companions and subordinates die—have any of you ever watched another human being die—relocate every 2-3 years, serve at the whim of many in government (in both parties) who seek nothing but personal gain, for relatively paltry pay takes a special person. I would wager it is the type of person that very few of you would know or care to. You would rather denounce him and many others in the military/industrial complex that have been protecting your rights of free speech for 236 years.


John H   June 23rd, 2010 6:36 pm ET

Those of who are or have served our country live to a higher standard than do those who have not. In order for our Armed Forces to be able to function efficiently we must willing place ourselves in higher levels of discipline. While it is true, we are all Americans and have the same Constitutional Rights, when we take our Oath to Serve, we knowingly accept that we temporarily give up certain of our rights as US Citizens. General McGhrystal did the honorable thing in offering his recognization. If he has personal reservations about the manner in which President Obama is pursuing the war in Afghanistan, then he should submit his retirement papers. Once he is again in civilian clothes, he is free to offer his criticizm at will. I am certain General McChrystal knows this and will continue to serve his country in another capacity. I believe President Obama did the only thing he could do to maintain discipline and the Constitutional Requirement that the military be subordinate to the Civilian Leadership. As for those of you who assign to yourselves the right to determine what punishment for the general should be, have earned the right to dictate such things and should consider yourselves fortunate to be able to live in a country where you can determine your own fate. You can thank General McChrystal and the millions who have served for that privilege.


Cajazz76:24:8   June 23rd, 2010 7:04 pm ET

@PJ

First let me commend you for the courage to put on that uniform in the name of defending this nation. Second I applaud you for the courage to openly speak out in this forum. The criticism that may offend you that is being directed at McChrystal is not only due, but overdue and the actions of the president were white glove soft, in my opinion. I look at his actions as a collaboration with the enemy he was sent there to dispatch. Don't think for a second they are not now upbeat and ready to fight harder knowing that command and control may be in disarray, which right now it is. How many body bags will be filled as a result of his stupidity? You can be the best of the best for your entire career, but one mistake near the end of it will ruin it all, and it has. I saw a similar situation in an unpopular war and the abettor was a civilian named Jane Fonda. There was many G.I.'s that lost their lives as a result of her actions and I can give you the grave locations in Arlington National Cemetery as a reminder what this sort of self-centered and loathsome behavior does on the battlefield. My other concerns are what his actions has done to the moral of those in theater. Those men and women live in a hell hole and it takes very little to beat them down. It is for them I condemn his actions and I hope the damage he has done in theater will be lessened by upholding the UCMJ the president effectively executed. Good luck to you PJ, and I wish you and all the members of the Armed Forces a quick and safe return home. I refuse to use McChrystal's rank in my blog's because he has discredited the uniform.


Elizabeth   June 23rd, 2010 9:15 pm ET

I think he did the intelligent thing. He should have been fired. This is a smart, professional, high ranking person that knew better. He did not have to act on his feelings. These are feelings that many are feeling toward the President. We all know it and see it with congress. However, they are choosing other ways to get at him. We all know that the world is watching Washington. And, they are waiting to see how far "some" are going to go.


fred   June 24th, 2010 10:03 am ET

mc crystal does not have an honest face..but petreas does..wish hm well..mc crystal's power went to his head & changed hm..smtimes the military changes people....he'll be wealthy, the us gov't will give hm an enormous retirement fund..


marshall k.   June 25th, 2010 12:13 am ET

We hire professionals to tell us the best way to go. I seriously wonder if the general made his comments on purpose to get something off his chest. McArthur certainly made it known how to fight a war. The idiots with Obama are nothing more than political appointees who were placed there because of the Democrat machine.
Look at previous generals fired or quashed: Patton, who wanted to go after the Russians, was most likely assassinated. Look what happened with Europe, South East Asia, Korea, and the arms race. Possibly this could all have been avoided.
Most notably, look at Hitler. He intimidated his generals so much that they would not dare speak ill of his plans and this resulted in annihilation. In Fact, General Paulus (who was in charged of the ill-fated Eastern campaign in Stalingrad) begged Hitler to let him leave Russia with his remaining million man army only to suffer the consequences of having politicians run wars.
There are tons of examples. We shouldn't be there in the first place. Ask Colin Powell.


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