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June 7, 2010

Helen Thomas Decides To Go Home

Posted: 01:47 PM ET

Washington (CNN) - Longtime White House reporter Helen Thomas has retired effective immediately, Hearst Corporation said Monday.

The media conglomerate had employed Thomas as a syndicated columnist for its newspaper chain. Her retirement comes amid a furor created last week by her controversial comments regarding Jewish people.

Thomas, 89, was considered the dean of the White House press corps, as she was the longest-serving White House journalist. She has been covering administrations since 1960, when she began covering then-President-elect John F. Kennedy and his family.

Thomas, had come under fire late last week when a YouTube video surfaced, showing her saying saying that Israel should "get the hell out of Palestine" and that the Jewish people should go home to "Poland, Germany ... and America and everywhere else."

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bogursky   June 7th, 2010 2:00 pm ET

Retired of Fired which one is it? She should be out of the white house too.


ROMANsmk   June 7th, 2010 2:08 pm ET

CNN reporting a story that was huge for 4 days, just when it ends. You see, we were on the story!!!!. Hypocrites and fools as usual. CNN , MSNBC, CBS, ABC, NBC, the WAPO, NYT , not one one reported this and now the firestorm hits and you all print your farwell story. Convenient. No wonder people now insert journalist as opposed to Lawyers into the "what do you call 1000 ........... at the bottom of the ocean" joke.


ROMANsmk   June 7th, 2010 2:08 pm ET

ps Does your headline mean that she is retiring to Lebenon?


Pep   June 7th, 2010 2:31 pm ET

Helen has been with the white house longer than most. She has the right to her opinion. And from my point of view. I agree with her statement. . Hats off to Helen, She leaves with a bang!!!!


Jim Evridge   June 7th, 2010 3:29 pm ET

If y'all remember ...... that part of the world was once known as Palestine. If the land rightfully beelongs to the Ppalestinians,then, so be it!
The way I see it , their homelands were stolen from them centuries ago and should be returned to them. the sooner, the better.


Meg   June 7th, 2010 3:32 pm ET

Helen Thomas is not an anti-semite – at least, not from these remarks.

Sure, perhaps Jews were in Palestine ages and ages back. But unless all the people of European descent are going to up and leave the U.S. because the Native Americans were there first, asking the Arabs to do just that is reprehensible.

Also, telling Jews to go 'back to Poland and Germany and the US' isn't saying 'Go back to where you were all massacred,' but it can just as easily be interpereted as 'go back to where you immigrated from, respectively.' Again, unless we're asking all the white people to leave the US.....

It upsets me that people will say that these comments are racist. I have a lot of problems with Israel's government and the way they conduct international affairs, not because they are Jewish, but because of the choices they make. It is for the same reason that I dislike Sarah Palin – I don't care that she's a woman, I dislike her point of view and perspective. But because I dislike her choices and her words, OH NO I must hate her because she's an attractive woman.


Rose   June 7th, 2010 3:39 pm ET

In this article Ari Fleischer equated Thomas' remarks to "what she said is as bad as someone saying all blacks should leave America and go back to Africa". European Jews came to Palestine freely, in fact fought for more immigration due to conditions in Europe. Africans were dragged here in chains and may have preferred to return to Africa during slavery rather than face brutality in America. There is a big difference.

UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency for Palestine Refugees) states the number of registered Palestine refugees is well over 4 million people. They are descendants of refugees who were driven from or left their homes in 1948 when Israel was created. The majority of Israelis are of Ashkenazi (European) background.

Fleischer added that Helen Thomas' "statement calling for the religious cleansing of Israel is reprehensible". Israeli professor Ilan Pappe wrote a substantial book entitled "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine" (2006). His book demonstrates that a planned ethnic cleansing of Palestinian Arabs occurred during the 1948 Palestine War by Zionists.

Pappe refers to the United Nations Commission on Human Rights, the US Department of State and the International Criminal Court for sources of discussion. Pappe states: "Later on, the expelled (Palestinians) are then erased from the country’s official and popular history and excised from its collective memory." He concludes there is no denying that this alleged ethnic cleansing against Palestinians has been most successfully erased from conventional Israeli history.

While it is not reasonable to ask anyone to return back to Poland etc, the 'Law of Return' in Israel is applicable to Jews of any nationality but not to Palestinians. Certainly they would appreciate the ability to return back without having to live in refugee camps, divided by concrete walls, controlled in movement or subject to illegal blockades on their ancestral land.


JuleS   June 7th, 2010 3:46 pm ET

Good for Helen! Anyone who doesn't like or can't stand the heat - ought to get out of the kitchen. Israel is playing the role of the "jack-booted thug" with Palestinians and it's high time the world, including the U.S., stopped treating Israel as the sole victim in this battle.

It seems most of the opinions being offered here and on other media are running high in favor of Helen's remarks - and seems to indicate that most of us have had just about enough of Israel's "shoot now, ask questions later" policy and its arrogant, callous attitude toward a nation of people whom they chased off and stole their country from, simply because they weren't "comfortable" living so near them.


Margaret   June 7th, 2010 4:34 pm ET

I hear they serve crow in Palestine,
Maybe Thomas should RETIRE there!


Smith in Oregon   June 7th, 2010 4:38 pm ET

After calling on the Presidental spokesperson to explain why the White House appears to have swept the horrific execution of a American-Turkish citizen and the maiming (eye shot out) by another American citizen, Helen appears to have been ambushed interviewed which often turn's out bad.

Did Gibb's even explain why the White House hasn't utterly condemned the executions that took place on the French cargo ship by the Israeli Commando's ?


Nana Brown   June 7th, 2010 5:14 pm ET

My hats of to Helen! Hip hip hooray to the most outspoken, honest woman who believes free media. A lady we all admire.

I am beginning to wonder if there's much difference between the Somail pirates and the Israeli defence forces ? Israel may be achieving its goal of blockading Gaza but it is nothing more than paranoid, ruthless nation lacking any morality and humanity. What really gets on my nerves is how the news media in the US & UK have always portrayed Israel as the good guys and Palestinians as terrorists in all news reports. We in America are lied to about Israel, it's our tax money that sustain Israel rob, kill and expand. The war we are in is because of the injustice of our foreign policies all over the world.Our service men and women are being killed because of our support for Israel. We have been lied to, our money has been squandered by Wall Street.The Goldman Sachs investigation will just blow away like our economy yet our tax dollars will be defending Israel. When will the we wake up? We will be bullied and called unpatriotic, locked up call anti Semitic and asked to shut up if we speak truth about Israel bulling not only its neighbors but now United States.
UK & USA and the rest of the world should impose an economic and political sanctions against Israel, just like most Western countries did against Apartheid led South Africa in the eighties.
I bet that if any other country did what the Israeli's have done in the last week Britain and of course America would have been right in there fighting the good fight. Why not now? Does any one know why Samuel Sheinbein is protected by Israel and not returned to the US since Sept 19 1997? Free media please. It will be a patriotic act saving innocent lives of our service men and women.
Bravo Helen I wish there were more people like you. You are beautiful and honest.


Chuck   June 7th, 2010 6:01 pm ET

About time that Progressive hag retired. Good riddance! She will not be missed.
Catch a clue America, most Progressives are like Helen Thomas, and either oppose, or do not really support Israel. Wise up!


betsy   June 7th, 2010 6:02 pm ET

Helen Thomas is an editorial columnist. This means she is allowed and expected to interject her opinion in her work, to challenge us to challenge our own safe worldviews. I love Helen's feisty fearless questions. I love the journalism she has always stood for. Today's disfunctional journalism standards disable and censor a good journalist from getting to the core of the issues quickly. Today, God forbid a reporter should ask good direct questions that rile the interviewee to expose all sides of their character and intensions. If younger journalists and their publishers would dare to be more like Helen Thomas, we wouldn't have this lame finger-pointing fiasco in Washington, the Gulf of Mexico or the Persian Gulf. People would have to be accountable for their lies. Helen is not an anti-Semite. No one is even giving her a chance to clarify her statement. I hope Larry King will invite her and the rabbi to be on the show. Come back Helen! We need you!!! Ninety-year-old Helen is Washington's all seeing eye. Hope this is not inconvenient.


Rose   June 7th, 2010 6:22 pm ET

Opposition to Israeli policy (Zionism) should not automatically be equated with anti-Semitism. There are many Orthodox Jews in the US who oppose Zionism on religious grounds.

On May 31st – 45,000 Jews protested outside the Israeli consulate in New York against their policy of grave desecrations. They stated the "huge demonstration was a clear statement to the world that Zionists do not speak for all Jews". They oppose Zionism on religious basis, stating it is an abuse and misapplication of Judaism to justify hard-line, nationalistic goals.

An organization of religious Jews also placed a large, photo ad in the Washington Post (May 2, 2010) expressing their position regarding American policies on the Middle East conflict. Spokesman Rabbi Lypold Klein stated: "The purpose of our campaign is to make the distinction between Zionism and Judaism and to show respect to President Obama."

Zionists should stop equating all criticism of Israel as being anti-Semitic or against Jews as a religious community. Brutal actions will be condemned and hiding behind the thin guise of "anti-semitism" to mask such actions is getting tedious for all those observing them internationally.

Anti-semitism does exist in the world, but crying wolf in support of Israeli actions only dilutes the legitimate claims of those Jews who are true victims of racism and does no service to their grievances.


Rose   June 7th, 2010 6:29 pm ET

@ Margaret

You stated: "I hear they serve crow in Palestine, Maybe Thomas should RETIRE there!"

How ironic that Thomas, being of Arab descent, is not qualified to "retire in Palestine" – per Israeli policy. She's not the one who should be eating crow here.


Salim   June 7th, 2010 6:33 pm ET

After the holocaust, the world felt sorry for the Jewish people and gave them a piece of land (out of guilt) by kicking the Palestinians out of their land. The Jewish claims that this is their God given land as it is documented historically in bible and other religious books. So, according to them it is the Palestinians who were the occupiers and not the other way around. The Jewish has only re-claimed their rightful ownership of the land. In the spirit of the same argument, how would you feel if I say that this land (America) should be given back to the Indians, because they are the rightful owners of this land as they have been living on this land before any of us came here? This idea of Jewish rehabilitation was a rotten idea to begin with and now we know that we have created a monster that is out of control. I don’t see anything anti-Semitic about Helen’s comments.


Elaine Hopkins   June 7th, 2010 6:33 pm ET

Helen Thomas has always spoken the truth as she sees it.
She's usually right.
She asks the questions that others are afraid to ask.
Now she's another casualty of Israeli politics. At least they didn't shoot her in the head.
I hope she will do a blog and keep her fans informed.


Cajazz76:24:8   June 7th, 2010 6:39 pm ET

Like myself, I am certain that Helen Thomas was lending credence to the fact that European Jews, escaping detention and massacre in their homelands, fled and became part of a Zionist regime that, in effect, duplicated what they had just averted, the killing and/or displacement of millions.

That extermination mindset, because of Nazi Germany's influence during their occupation in Africa and in the Middle East, is partially to blame for the violence and evictions that occurred there from 1935 on. There are no ethnic or religious regional divisions that are innocent in the vile acts of aggression that take place in those realms. All have blood on their hands and guilt ridden consciences.

No one should have animosity toward anyone because of ethnicity or a religious preference, but tell that to those who are deeply rooted in their beliefs. It's the same old my God versus your God to calm my fear of the unknown, and I'll destroy you and your family and your entire marks on the landscape if you disrespect my unseen or unheard of Almighty. All the more reason to view religion and politics as one...convoluted ideologies running amuck and mired in the blood of innocents for ages...

Zionism began in the late 1800's and while Jews were evicted from many regional countries on the African continent and throughout the Middle East, it was vigorously perpetuated by the Revisionist Zionist movement that began their earnest march to a Jewish state around 1935. Two wrongs never make a right, however, while an "eye for an eye will leave the whole world blind"-Mahatma Gandi, there is no consolation to feel powerful and absolute in a one-eyed nation that cannot even feed or defend itself, Israel. We, the U.S., are the ones that are their oats' bags and weapons' suppliers and much more.

The United Nations sanctified the movement and statehood of Israel; and the U.S., as well as, many African and Middle Eastern countries are the ones left holding the bags of aggression for it. Unfortunately, they are not becoming any less cumbersome to bear....

As for you, Helen Thomas, while I understand your comment, even at age nearing 90, you are the mouthpiece for the commentary you write and the Hearst Publishers you worked for. Now you have no excuses to say what you feel, so let it out. Mark Twain held out for 100 years to have his reveals published. You shouldn't have to. Free Speech is free, if you're not being remunerated for it.


Chuck   June 7th, 2010 6:41 pm ET

Memo to Nana Brown
Helen Thomas is neither beautiful, or honest.

Any rational human being knows that if the Palestinians laid down their arms, there would be peace in the Middle East.
If the Israelis laid down their arms, there would be no more Israel, which of course I imagine would be fine with Nana.

BTW Nana, it's not paranoia to think that people who continually fire rockets into your neighborhood, are not a good security risk.

P.S.
History has shown that Anti-Semites, or suspected Anti-Semites are not the one's who generally get locked up, unless they're terrorists. The Jews were the one's put in cattle cars, and concentration camps, and whatever mostly self-imposed mess the Palestinians find themselves in, it does not compare to the persecution Jews have lived through, and they'd be fools to let it happen again, and they won't.


Adrienne   June 7th, 2010 6:50 pm ET

Although, Ms. Thomas exercised her right to free speech under the 1st Amendment of the United States Constiution. She must remember that her comments were offensive to many people, Jews and non-Jews. I think she made the right decision to retire now. It is sad however: that her colleagues in the Press Corp have chosen to praise her longstanding career. I think that the recent comnents that she has made overshadow any previous accolodes she may have deserved. I am sorry to say that I admired this woman at one time and I even watched the HBO special on her life. I cringe to think what she thinks about African Americans and Hispanics. I would hate for our country to go back to Jim Crow laws and such. Good Riddance Helen Thomas. I hope during your retirement you think about ways that you may make it up to those you offended.


Dorthy 5   June 7th, 2010 8:45 pm ET

Has anyone ever read the Torah? The land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people. Helen Thomas is of course an anti-Semite. Does everyone understand that the majority of the middle easy wants Israel to be completely whipped off the face of the earth? I'm really glad you guys are thinking clearly, thinking Israel is the bad guy here. Think about the president if Iran, how he thinks the people of Israel shouldn't even exist. Helen should be ashamed of herself, as well as all the nasty comments on here.


James Eilers   June 7th, 2010 9:07 pm ET

For anyone wanting to condemn Helen Thomas for going further than she probably meant to go in the remark for which she is being condemned, please also call up and watch the Israelis featured in a documentary available on line, OCCUPATION 101. I hope you will find those Israelis more trustworthy, as I do, than official Israeli government spokespeople.


MADDY   June 7th, 2010 10:21 pm ET

THANK YOU MS. THOMAS, FOR ALL THE YEARS OF ASKING QUESTIONS NO ONE ELSE WOULD.THANK YOU FOR SIMPLY TIME IN. AND AS FAR AS YOUR STATEMENT...YOU HAD EVERY RIGHT!
THOUGHT THIS WAS A FREE COUNTRY! AND BY THE WAY YOUR CORRECT.JEWS NEED TO GET OUT OF GAZA.THEY ARE COMMITING MURDER AND APARTID. WHO DIED AND MADE THEM KING OF THE WORLD. YOU WHERE IN A SNAKE PIT,DAILY. GO ENJOY THE REST OF YOUR LIFE AND I WISH YOU ALL THE BEST.
M.BROWN


JANICE TURNEY   June 7th, 2010 11:23 pm ET

I think it is time someone said it like it is. after all these years she is made to feel like she has to retire over this. She should be given an award for saying what no one else has had the nerve to say. it is one thing to want a country of ones own but to keep tring for more by what ever violent means is criminal and there has been a lot of criminal acts commited by Isariel in the name of gods people. more wars and murder have been commited in the name of love and religion than in the name of hate. bless Helen Thomas


Cajazz76:24:8   June 8th, 2010 12:58 am ET

@Chuck

If those who see the Palestinian dilemma as a simple laying down of arms there is a lot of yo-yo's without string in this world. You obviously think Germany is somewhere in the Middle East. How insanely oblivious you appear to the world that will read your blog and chuck..le..chuck..le..chuck..le...Your reference to history is a muted dial tone of void consciousness.


Cajazz76:24:8   June 8th, 2010 1:13 am ET

@Dorthy 5

Your insinuation of the Torah being a land grant and cause to wreak havoc to fulfill what? Your comment is beyond what you characterize as nasty and the world is laughing at it.

I guess you aren't aware that the majority of the Middle East, middle easy as you refer to it, is harboring the inhabitants that were driven from their land by a Revisionist Zionist movement whose participants were largely supported by the influx of European Jews that were undocumented immigrants. Let me guess, you don't have a problem with undocumented immigrants.


jack   June 8th, 2010 1:34 am ET

Well , I hope Helen Thomas is not remembered for one sound bite. She was clearly passionate about the deaths, and spoke out of anger. Happy retirement to a great lady of journalism.


Rick   June 8th, 2010 8:15 am ET

Thank you Mrs Thomas for speaking the truth ..the truth will set you free....and it did ,you no longer have to pretend and twist that you agree with the occupation of Palestine ..I wish there would be more reporters with same guts like you ,,,,but they are cowards ...and liars ...


Ted   June 8th, 2010 9:00 am ET

What do Nini-yahoo, AKA Nathan the Terrible, and Hitler, AKA the mad austrian painter, have in common?

They both head or headed a state that to enlarge their livingspace lied, cheated, killed and murdered.
They both are fashists, Hitler with his Aryans and Nini with his God chosen people.

What differs them?
Hitler still had his foreskin, Nini had a rabbi with shaking hands.


Ted   June 8th, 2010 9:04 am ET

@ Dorthy 5

Both jews and arabs are semites and calling Helen Thomas an anti-semite is plain stupid.
You swallowed just too much of the jewish propaganda and have no knowledge of history.


Rose   June 8th, 2010 2:09 pm ET

@ Dorthy 5

You asked: "Has anyone ever read the Torah? The land of Israel belongs to the Jewish people." I have read the Torah.

I'd like to ask you: Who wrote it? If the answer is "God" – is it the same being who is in real estate and hands out countries or in 20th foreign policy and political manipulations? Is it the same being who caused the enormous injustices committed against the Palestinian people – who had nothing to do with the Holocaust?

As you have mentioned the Torah, I'd like to bring the following to your uninformed attention:

– Religious Jews who are well versed in the Torah claim that God will grant them a state when they are ready for salvation (which must be earned and not taken by force of armies).
– The Torah forbids the end of their exile and establishment of a state until God redeems them.
– When redemption comes, the Messiah will arise first and cause everything to happen. The Messiah has not yet come for the Jews.
– From a religious perspective, Israel is an artificial state not based on the Torah. It is based on a nationalist, secular ideology which defies Torah teachings.
– The Torah is not only source of Jewish teachings. Non-Zionist Orthodox Jews also rely on the Talmud and later commentaries (books of Halacha) as the main sources of scriptural authority.
– "Vayoel Moshe" was written by the Rabbi Yoelish Teitelbaum and made his case that Judaism is against Zionism.
– It is held in extreme importance by many groups including the Central Rabinical Congress in North America.
– It contains the "Three Oaths" in Judaism. It states: "The Jewish people are not allowed to ascent to the land of Israel (Eretz Yisrael) by force. A Talmudic injunction.

If the Torah is going to be referenced then the correct context and scope of it's teachings must be examined. Religion is used to justify all sorts of political abuse today. Simple minded readings of various religious books have resulted in terrorism, illegal settlements, war and blind American Evangelical support of Israel with lobbies that extract billions of dollars of US tax payer funds for Israel based on misinterpretation of religious myth and awaiting the return of Jesus. There is no thought given to the real and continued inhumane suffering caused to Palestinians. Got that Dorthy 5?


Rose   June 8th, 2010 3:36 pm ET

@ Jessie from Auckland, NZ

You quote books that were written well before the Jews returned back to Israel, before the destruction of the Second Temple.

The Book of Ezekiel was written for the captives of the tribe of Judah living in exile in Babylon following the Siege of Jerusalem in 597 BCE. The exile lasted until 538 BCE when they were permitted to Return.

The Return to Zion refers to this event specifically. The biblical meaning of "The Return to Zion" was later borrowed by Zionists from the ancient event and adopted as the definition of all the immigration to the State of Israel in modern times. Historical context is important and the misinterpretation of ancient texts to justify current political situations is wrong, manipulative and naive.


leonard   June 8th, 2010 4:37 pm ET

Your knowledge of the Torah is exemplary and very worthy of compliments. I am very pleased to read your blogs. It is very noteworthy that you have the fortitude, to stand up to and set straight, those who just flaps their lips and engage the keys of their computers to babble and make complete fools of themselves. Thank you very much for educating me on the Torah and the implications it is a playbook for the Zionists of today. leonard from Bridgeport, Conneticut


MuggsZee   June 8th, 2010 4:57 pm ET

All the criticism saying Helen Thomas said the "Jews should get the hell out of Palestine" is utter lies. The radical on the above sound bites from a radio commentary has LIED every time he reiterated her comments. She NEVER ONCE used the word Jew. She said "Israel" to infer, what I believe, to express her disgust with the Zionist movement of the Israeli Government, that has been holocaustic in nature. Helen Thomas did nothing wrong to freely express her feelings. That Dorthy 5 and Chuck are goobers too. How uniformed they are and, as someone said, appear to the world as foolish or laughable. Also, @Rose did a remarkable job to refute that which Dorthy 5 make an impish attempt to incite others with.


leonard   June 8th, 2010 4:59 pm ET

To Rose, sorry I left your name off my chatter...It was to you I was referring to and your very good responses.


Rose   June 8th, 2010 5:40 pm ET

@ Leonard & MuggsZee

Thank you both kindly. It really doesn't take much of an effort to refute the nonsense on some of these blogs. The amount of misinformation that is prevalent in the US is shocking consider we are a developed society. Much of this is due to right wing religious and political groups who willfully distort the truth in order to advance their agendas. Lies and unbalanced information is spread via right wing radio talk shows and pastors such as John Hagee. Their audiences appear to lack the ability to think independently or to question. They just absorb and agree without critique.

While personal beliefs are not my concern, its influence on our elections, leaders, foreign policy and aid – most definitely are my concern. The tragedy is that well intentioned people are actually contributing to gross injustices to others, while adherring to their distorted beliefs. Those with the microphones who are orchestrating this propaganda are fully aware of their manipulation and are rewarded amply for delivering votes and contributing to lobbies.

The current situation in Israel meets all the requirements of an Apartheid state – including economic, legal and political discrimination. The blockade of Gaza is illegal under international law and causing extreme hardship there, especially for children.

Yet many right wing Christians will turn a blind eye to this deeming it to be somehow "good". The morality of this reasoning must come into question as being very unChristian and not reflective of Jesus' teachings at all.


Rose   June 8th, 2010 7:00 pm ET

Zionism as a secular movement is confirmed. The British Uganda Program was a plan to give a portion of British East Africa to the Jews as a homeland. The offer was first made by the British to Theodore Herzl's Zionist group in 1903. They were offered 5,000 square miles in what is Uganda and Kenya today.

This was discussed at the Zionist Congress in 1903. By a vote of 295 to 177, an expedition was sent to examine the territory proposed. In 1905 the Congress declined the British offer. Some Jews viewed this as a mistake and the "Jewish Territorialist Organization" split from the Congress with the explicit aim of establishing a Jewish state ANYwhere.

Secular Zionists considered a place in Africa where Jews could live, away from persecution in Europe. In time, after much political wrangling for Palestine, it fell victim to these ambitions. Revisionist history injected all forms of "religious" claims about the "Return" for political gain. Had they accepted the Uganda offer in 1905, all of this would be moot.


Dorthy 5   June 8th, 2010 10:21 pm ET

I am really glad everyone is enjoying my comment.

First of all, I would like to say I am very knowledgeable. I have lived in Israel for more that half of my life. None of you know me, so it is immature to make false accusations.

Second, I completely understand that Helen, as well as everyone, has the freedom of speech. But, Helen has personally offended me, and I'm sure she has offended other Zionists. Israel has the right to be a state. There is no place for the Jewish people. I am aware that yes, in 1947-48ish, Jews basically did push out the "Palestines" who were living in a non-governmental area. But, the "Palestines" should have been welcoming to the Jews. The Jewish people just experienced the Holocaust, something extremely horrific. The matter is that Israel is a state, and there is nothing we can do about it. For anyone to wish of the destruction and failure of an entire country is just inhumane.

I want to bring an interesting point to everyones mind; Why is it not okay for Israelis to act in self defense on a flotilla, but when a suicide bomber walks into a grocery store killing several INNOCENT people, no one makes a big fuss about it? Or when North Korea bombs a South Korean ship? Or when Russia invades Georgia? There are several countries in the middle east that believe Israel should be whipped off the face of the Earth. It makes me sick to my stomach, literally, that an entire country could be demolished any day, killing millions of people, and you seem to think that what Israel is doing is the worst possible.

The reason why Israel chose "Palestine" as their home land is because it is extremely holy land. I believe the place in Africa would be Uganda. Jerusalem is one of the holiest places in the world. It means a lot to every religion.

Please consider peace. To be completely honest, it really upsets me that everyone is bashing everyone else based on their opinions. There is just so much negativity, and it is completely unnecessary. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, yes of course. But, offending others is not nice. We learned in kindergarten, if you don't have anything nice to say, don't say it at all. I am sorry if I have offended everyone in my last comment.


Ted   June 9th, 2010 8:29 am ET

@ Dorthy 5

Shalom, so you are an israeli and you are very knowledgeable, as you so bravely state.
May I take a few minutes of your time to correct your incorrect statements.

1. According to Shlomo Sand, an israeli author, there is no such thing as a jewish nation! Jews only have a common religion, as far as nationality they are made up of over hundred differt folks and groups who converted to judaism over the last 2,000 years. You do not create a nation by taking on a religion.
I make the statement that over 90% of jews today have nothing to do with the semitic tribes, so cannot go back where their forfathers never been!!
Those who occupied Palestina and drove the inhabitants out were germans, polaks, russians, romanians, hungarians, serbs, turks, khazars, ukranians, etc, etc., commiting a major crime. These people couldn´t even talk to eachother, they did not have a common language!
There is no legal or moral justifications for the state of Israel and once it will pay dearly for the killings and other crimes commited against the palestinians.

2. Israel did not act in self defense when attacked an unarmed convoy of humanitarian goods, killing 9 civilians in the middle of the night!
It was just pure terror, just as Israel bombs palestanian townd for the sake of terror, as stated by several israeli pilots who refused to fly such wanton attacks.
The correct way was to let the ships dock in Gaza and before they unload have international inspectors control it for any possible weapons. You chose the killing, as you always do.
It seems the nazis with their Gestapo and SS tought you a few tricks that your state really appreciates and uses indiscriminately.

3. You do not have a democracy, as you so often declare, but a theocracy combined with the worst apartheid on this globe, because only jews have full rights.
There is no difference between Israel and Iran, both are governed by religious fanatics who stop at nothing to assure their power.

4, Israel doesn´t want peace, it would be the end of that land. Only constant wars and terror keep that so called nation together, they would fight eachother if there was no common "enemy".
You are supposedly an ally of us, yet you killed more amricans than the palestanians did.
Remember the unarmed US Navy ship SS Liberty, where you killed 37 of our sailors? You just killed another american on this Flotilla, he did not come to harm you, but to help the needy.

5. As far as terrorism goes, the jews are experts in it. Your prime ministers Begin and Shamir were heads of jewish terrorist gangs during the war against the palestanians and were sought by the british as terrorists!
Sharon was responsibe for the massacre of palestanians in Beirut ans was well known for his cruelty during the 1948 war.
You go all over the world to eliminate unloved political figures, such as the killing in Dubai.
During the nazi time in Europe thousands of jews acted as capos in the concentration camps, beating and torturing their own.

I could go on, but it is enough. God´s chosen people are a bunch of cheaters and killers, my hat off to those decent minority who are ashamed of their land of Israel.


Dorthy 5   June 9th, 2010 11:01 am ET

@Ted.

I believe all my statements are correct.

1. The Jewish Nation of Israel is simply not a Jewish state because one author believes so. The Jewish religion teaches that Israel actually is a nation for Jews. Every single Jew in this entire world is granted citizenship in the state of Israel. So please do not tell me I am incorrect. I do not base my facts on what an author says, but what a religion says.

2. Israel did absolutely defend themselves in the flotilla attack. Have you seen pictures, have you seen videos? There were hundreds of weapons on that boat. I do understand that Israel did attack on international waters, and was considered piracy, which is wrong, but it was still in self defense. Every single move the Israeli Army makes is in self defense. You honestly tell me that that flotilla has no intentions of causing a scene? You must be out of your mind. Israel is trying to stay alive, and it would be destroyed if there was no self defense.

3. Israel is a democracy. Yes, there is no separation of church and state, but people other than Jews have rights. Have you ever been to Israel? There are plenty of non Jews practicing their religion. You tell me that the Muslims in Jerusalem have no rights? Again, you must be out of your mind. People living in settlements do not have rights, and the reason for this is because they are not Israeli citizens. Settlements take up a small portion of Israel.

4 and 5. I cannot believe you actually think theses things. You honestly have mental issues if you believe that Israel has no right to exist. You are talking about millions of people here. The Israeli government is not terrorists at all. The Israeli Army is the best army in the world, all in the name of self defense. It may seem that Israel doesn't want peace because they are always in controversy. But, the reason for this is because they are handling themselves in self defense. Have you ever been to Israel? Israel possibly has to be the best country in this world. The people there are so real. They live their life like it's their last, because they know something could happen any minute.

For you to say that the Jews are a bunch of cheaters and killers is completely unacceptable. How rude of you to discriminate against an entire religion and an entire country.


Rose   June 9th, 2010 11:05 am ET

@ Dorthy 5

There are so many falsehoods in your writing that it would take a while to refute them all. You stated that: "The reason why Israel chose "Palestine" as their home land is because it is extremely holy land." – If this was the case then why did the Zionist Congress spend two years trying to assess and consider the Uganda option? Why not reject it from the beginning? Why discuss it? Because the reasoning behind selecting Palestine was based on a secular decision – not on religion.

I have been to Israel, including the West Bank and settlements. I have witnessed the shameful conditions that Palestinians live in. The "self defense" claim by Zionists are recognized as being extremely heavy-handed by international monitors. Pointing to other injustices does not lessen Israel's criminal actions.

The constant mixing of the tragedy of the Holocaust to justify the injustices against the Palestinians now for seven decades is unacceptable. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but the validity of that opinion should be based on fact instead of personal sentiment.

@ Ted

Hats of to you! You make very valid points. Religion cannot be used to justify secular ideology for the sake of convenience. It cannot be both ways. Don't expect objectivity from people who are unwilling to take responsibility for their country's long term criminal actions. Israel has broken more UN resolutions than any other nation in history. It's unwillingness to abide by international law is infamous, with US veto's in support.

The international community is speaking up against Israeli actions more than ever. There is no justification for the continued oppression against the people of Gaza. Those who choose to support Israeli actions with excuses are apologists drenched in ignorant bliss. That mindset does not alter the reality of what is occuring and witnessed by the world.


Rose   June 9th, 2010 2:10 pm ET

Uri Davis, a Jewish Israeli academic wrote – Apartheid Israel: The Jewish National Fund (2006). He states:

"The land laws of the State of Israel are apartheid laws, because they enforce preference on the basis of tribal affiliation (religious, and/or ethnic and/or national), allocating in law privileged access to the land (including housing) and the subsoil (notably water) to persons defined in law as a "Jews", correlatively discriminate against those defined in law as "non-Jews", against the Arab-Palestinian people.

In other words, these are racist laws in the sense defined in the international conventions.

The State of Israel is a state regulating racism through Acts of Parliament – an apartheid state. Anyone who denounces racism and apartheid in the name of human rights and universal principles (including racism against Jews which is commonly called "anti-Semitism") should rightly apply those principles to themselves and their own backyard (Israel) as well."

How is this democratic?


IKHAN   June 9th, 2010 3:20 pm ET

Hi Larry,
@Rose

as always you are right on mark.There should be no doubt now in the minds of all thinking Americans that the current Israeli govt is fascist & apartheid. Its not a democratic state as our media & those holding dual loyalty in the corridors of power in Washington would have us believe.
When the peace loving Jewish voices are crushed in Israel like those of B'Tselem,BAT Shalom,Gush Shalom & Coalition of Women for Peace etc you know what side of democracy they are on.
This nonsense@Dorothy5 is the usual spiel dished out by the ignorant for the ignorant.
The attack on Freedom Flotilla was one of the most savage acts of terrorism in that region & goes to show that Israeli state terrorism continues unchecked, thanks largely to our slavish ties to that govt.
It breaks your heart to see the treatment meted out to the legendary Helen Thomas for speaking out her mind. Most Americans find the comments of Mr.Gibbs against her reprehensible.
Its time too that Americans get to hear what the pro-Israel Jewish- American community has to say about the policies of the state of Israel like Jewish Voice for Peace &JStreet.


Rose   June 9th, 2010 4:56 pm ET

@ Ikhan

The Palestinians were subject to ethnic cleansing in 1948. The number of Palestinians killed since then far, far exceeds the number of Israelis killed. The Israeli attack on Gaza in Dec '08-Jan '09 resulted in over 1,300 Palestinians being killed in the conflict, 412 of them children. They bombarded a closed area, a refugee camp.

Retired US diplomat Edward L. Peck was among the Americans who had joined the flotilla of activist ships heading to Gaza as part of the American "Free Palestine Movement". Is this diplomat a terrorist in Israeli eyes, worthy of having his ship fired upon by commandos?

Offensive brutality can no longer be excused as "self defense". The unholiest of actions are occuring in the "holy land". The eyes of God are crying at the defilement and abuse. The "Promised Land" has promised nothing but death and suffering for the Palestinians. The world is watching – the oppression must stop.


IKHAN   June 9th, 2010 9:46 pm ET

@Rose
spoken with the strength of the goodness of your heart.
Humanity is being debased in that holy land and we Americans & our leaders, who once prided ourselves on being always on the side of Justice & Truth now feel proud to be on the side of tyranny.
Let me say this though that there are still those brave souls among us like Edward Peck & many others who are prepared even to lay their lives in the pursuit of justice for the oppressed. So there is still hope.
The world has been watching this tragedy for the past six decades & may be one day not far in the future , the world conscience stirs.


IKHAN   June 9th, 2010 9:50 pm ET

@Cajazz@Ted@Rose

as long as there are folks like you around who are not afraid to speak out the truth , there is hope.


Ted   June 10th, 2010 10:05 am ET

@ Dorthy 5

You say all jews in this world are part of a jewish nation, even if they do not have a common language and cannot talk to eachother!

Following up on your wise theory, all buddhist in the world are a single nation.
All 1.5 billion catholics spread out on all five continent are also just a nation. The same goes for orthodox christians or any other religion.
This is a great idea, we cut down on those countless countries and have five or six, however how do we draw the borders?

Jerusalem is also holly to the christians, so we all move to palestina, throw the jews out and declare it to be a christian country. Or we just send the 1.5 billion moslems, as they also call that city holly. Either way you lose, but it is fair as you set the rules.

Did you know that jewish bankers provided the money for Hitler´s rise to power, as they also finance our politicians?
With Hitler they miscalculated the case and millions had to pay with their lives for this terrible mistake. Not the rich bankers, they moved to New York or London in time with their fortune, but other jews and not jews.

Did you know that jews invented the communism, Marx, Engels, Lenin, Trotzky, etc. etc. were all jews? After the WWII in most east european countries communist jews took over the power, they formed dictatorial goverments and the secret service, also commanded by jews, killed thousands of innocent people who did not qualify as farmers and workers. That means teachers, lawyers, doctors, engineers, priests, etc. etc., anyone who had a higher education.

Israel has a very bloody hand and sooner or later will pay dearly for those crimes commited. Where do you plan to move in that case, which country would be stupid to take you?


Ted   June 10th, 2010 10:18 am ET

@ Rose

After this terrible crime on international waters I expected that our president shows he has an objective feeling of justice and something more than air in his pants. After his speech in Cairo a year ago the world expected an action from our side.
Instead we got feeble excuses and plain lies from all western capitals. Only Turkey, whose ship was attacked and lost nine of his citizens, had the courage to speak up against the barbarians ruling Israel. One of the dead was also an US citizen, where is the outrage that should shake our country?
It seems we are so busy bringing democracy to the world that killing of our citizens is just a colleteral damage.
And our born again christians? They just sing halleluja and wait for the comming of that figure from the biggest fairy tale of all times.


Ted   June 10th, 2010 10:31 am ET

@ Dorthy 5

According to israeli sources, about 30% of so called jews who since 1967 emigrated to Isreal are not even jews, but economical refugees!
In other words they just want a better life than in the old country and the US taxpayers finance that better life.
You take anyone who comes, because Israel needs heads to counterweight the growing palestanian population.
At todays rate in 15-20 years they outnumber the jews and either they take over the power, (good bye Israel), or a minority will keep the power with military force and have a brutal apartheid system.
You may live long enough to enjoy the change.


Rose   June 10th, 2010 12:20 pm ET

@ Ted

Republican Congressman Peter King is now introducing a resolution to force President Obama to support Israel's blockade of Gaza.

King wants support for a resolution that would:

– Force the US to support Israel's naval blockade of Gaza.
– Refuse to let the US contribute funds to an investigation of the flotilla incident.
– Demand that the US remove itself from the United Nations Human Rights council.

In September 2009, 56 members of Congress and their spouses travelled to Israel in the largest pro-Israeli lobby sponsored trip paid for by AIPAC (American Israel Public Affairs Committee) on a "fact-finding" visit by American politicians ever conducted.

Philip Giraldi wrote "The Best Congress AIPAC Can Buy" – which outlines this. He notes: the AIPAC trips targeting Congress are signs of a deeper problem. Many Congressmen undoubtedly display knee-jerk support for Israel either because it is career enhancing or because they are afraid not to.

Supporting brutal policies is not reflective of the "great freedoms" that Americans are so proud of. Democracy and fairness for others do not exist due to supporting well-greased Zionist lobbies the US – that ensure the continued oppression of the Palestinians.

Born-again, right wing Christians have a bloodied hand in this support as well. Their naiveness and hypocrisy is overwhelming.

You are also correct about the immigration into Israel. In the 1990s I spent time in Israel and had a chance to speak in depth to participants in the "Russian Olim" program (immigration and absorption). The majority of the "immigrants" were clearly not of Jewish descent. They fudged their lineage to leave Russia and get visas. Many use Israel as a potential springboard to the West.

Israel will allow anyone who breathes to immigrate there except for disenfrancised Palestinians. Pres Obama needs to step up and address this urgent issue of human rights.

We are giving Israel billions of dollars a year in US taxpayer funding.
The issue isn't: the tail wagging the dog – it is one of who is the master and who is the dog? Past US Administrations have occupied the doghouse in US-Israeli relations – especially with the abuse of UN vetos. That should give us all a clue.


Rose   June 10th, 2010 1:15 pm ET

@ Ikhan

It's clear that the creation of Israel has resulted in:

– Terrorism against the Palestinians by Zionists.
– Seizure of land by murder and extermination.
– The displacement of millions of Palestinians.
– People living in squalor in refugee camps.
– Endless war, for decades.
– The deaths of countless children.
– Blockades of goods from wheelchairs to schoolbooks for Gaza.
– Bombardment of Gaza cilivilans who had nowhere to go for safety.
– Barriers separating Palestinian families.
– Denial of human rights.
– Apartheid laws.
– Defiance of international laws, UN resolutions and Conventions.

And Israelis wonder why they are being attacked upon by those they oppress! Who on this planet would deem the above conditions as acceptable? The murders continue in the name of "self defense".

As Ted noted, an American was killed by the Israelis in the flotilla raid. How is this okay and why is this not being investigated?


IKHAN   June 10th, 2010 4:59 pm ET

@Ted @ Rose
thanks folks for this wealth of information which would return the sight to any and all who are or pretend to be blind.

@Dorothy 5
your ignorance & aversion to truth is amazing. The facts scare you into an outburst which is totally irrelevant against well researched comments by @Rose.
Let me tell you that there is nothing 'holy' in Israelis choosing Palestine as their land, it was chosen for them by the British after World War Two for their own geo-political agenda. The native Arabs were forced to relinquish their land.

I also do not think that you are aware ,or perhaps chose not to be aware of what thousands of Jewish-Americans think of the policies of Israeli govt. Just listen to Jewish Voice for Peace, JStreet, Uri Avnery,Naom Chomsky, Adam Harowitz,Philip Weiss,Rabbi Brent Rosen & many others. You read these respected Jewish men of letters & get your history on creation of Israel right.
Or if you happen to be in Israel go talk to the true God fearing Jews belonging to groups like B'Tselem,BAT Shalom,Gush Shalom or the brave women of the Coalition of Women for Peace.
By the way folks in April of 2008 while addressing a gathering in the BAR IIan University, Mr. Benjamin Netanyahu the current Israeli PM, had declared that 9/11 has been very beneficial for Israel. "we have been benefiting from the attacks on Twin Towers, Pentagon & American struggle in Iraq".


Ted   June 11th, 2010 8:58 am ET

@ Rose

The jewish population in the US is around 2.5%, yet they control the politic, finance, press and the entertainment industry.
We have 15 jewish senators, also 15% of the senate. The same is true for all the govermental offices.

I took time to investigate, why did east europeans work together with the nazis and turn over the hiding jews to them.
Because the jews took over their country, controlled the banks, insurance, commerce and a great part of industry.

I take Poland as example: besides above mentioned businesses each little town had its money lender, mostly a jew or two.
The farmer did not have the money for seed, so he went to the money lender to borrow. Instead of interest to pay, he had to sell his goods to
the lender at artificially low price, so when the next year came, he had no money for the seed and had to go to the money lender again.
This was a standard procedure year after year, generation after generation. The farmers stayed poor, the money lenders became rich.

In Russia there are a bunch of new billionairs, almost all of them jews, who took over huge factories, mines, oil business, etc. The question is how?
As leading employees they were lucky to earn $25,000 a year, sure not enough to buy mines and oil fields for billions of dollars.
However, corruption and fraud can accomplish wonders and just wait until the russian people realize how they were cheated.

Hungary has about the same jewish population as the USA, 2.5%, however they run the country now and also during the communist dictatorship! It seems regardless the political situation they always are at the top.
During the election in May 17% of the votes went to a new radical party whose aim is to get read of the jews.

The history just keeps repeating itself, jews take over a country, opponent politicians use this to come to power, jews will be attacked.
Why can´t they just assimilate into a nation, why do they keep their arrogant ways?

We always hear, he or she is a jewish-american! However, never hear catholic-american, mormon-american, baptist-american, etc.?
Is this the way to distingish that they are something better, God´s chosen people?


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