April 28, 2010

Michael Moore on LKL last night – weighs in on immigration/tea parties!

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gerald Jolly   April 28th, 2010 1:12 pm ET

Come to think of it.

The Tea Party is the perfect name for those old "BAGS"

gerald Jolly   April 28th, 2010 1:13 pm ET

Less than 24 hours ago some TEA BAGGERS were seen drinking CHINESE GREEN TEA.

Does that mean that they are actually COMMIES.

Karl Pohlhaus   April 28th, 2010 1:35 pm ET

For Michael Moore interview- The Republican attitude in Arizona is clear. The Republicans always had the same mantra: Property over/ahead of/ prioritize property/money/holdings/investments over/instead of/ahead of people/general population/middle class, blue collar workers. That means they favor protecting property and persons over freedoms and liberties. In Arizona, because the national immigration legislation has become a political football (both parties have passed it up). When that rancher got shot, probably by a drug dealer/solder, the state became enraged that our citizens could be hurt or killed so easily. Protecting citizens(all citizens) from harm or crime is important. When you have a party that uses fear and the need for protection as a reason to identify anyone who may look suspicious you have support from the white community. That's why a majority of Arizonians favor this legislation. The white element are not that concerned that more Hispanics are kidnapped, killed, broken into or whatever. And the hispanics are both afraid of and don't trust the white police and thus don't complain even though they are robbed and hurt more often than white people. It's a problem. I belong to and support the party that prioritizes people ahead of property. Perhaps, because I don't have much property to protect. KP

Cindy   April 28th, 2010 1:38 pm ET

Hi Gerald Jolly,
Thanks for your comments on taxes and cost of goods in Canada. Glad we agree that you need a side by side comparison of two identical scenarios to compare US and Canadian taxes. I was not aware that cost of goods are higher in Canada which is quite interesting. Thanks for the info. I responded under that topic but the topic was deleted shortly thereafter so will leave my thoughts here.

Marry   April 28th, 2010 1:45 pm ET

Michael Moor is just a very good guy. Always enjoy his strait way of thinking. He does put his finger into the wounds.

Michelle   April 28th, 2010 1:52 pm ET

How come my post got deleted - u ask for opinions and then delete them ? Proud to be Canadian.

Cajazz76:24:8   April 28th, 2010 2:11 pm ET


Maybe the 'muderator' is from Arizona and thought you were and undocumented alien looking for work. Next time ask to see their 'stinking badges'.

JAOtto   April 28th, 2010 2:24 pm ET

Illegal immigration is bad but is not the real threat to America and the economy. If the number 1 & 2 current issues on the minds of the vast majority of Americans is truly jobs and immigration then the focus needs to shift to “legal” immigration in stead of the illegal type. The real questions to the public should be “Whether the U.S. should allow the replacement of U.S. workers with foreigners imported under the several visa programs and should Government hire foreigners in stead of U.S workers?”

Based on Government figures, every year over 200,000 U.S. workers are fired and replaced by foreigners imported for the specific purpose of replacing the competent U.S. worker. The U.S. Dept. of Labor statistics and studies from several Universities, establish that there has never been a year with a “shortage” of U.S. workers to fill all the jobs, especially in the computer field. Yet, Congress takes money every year from employers to allow the replacement of qualified U.S. workers with low pay foreign workers. Wall Street claims that there is a shortage of worker to fill their needs. Yet, with ever growing frequency, U.S. workers are forced to train their foreign replacements, who are unqualified to do the job. Thus far, big business has yet to explain how there could be a “shortage” when business must fire competent U.S. workers to make room for foreigners.

In summary, Visas (H-1b, L-1, O-1 and TN) are used to replace competent U.S. workers thus harming both the American and the economy. Currently, there are 850,000 U.S. jobs being occupied by foreigners imported under the visa programs. There is no shortage of Americans to fill those jobs. The majority of imported foreigners were brought to the U.S to replace competent U.S. workers. Thus, there are at least 850,000 competnert, formerly employed, U.S. workers on welfare straining the U.S. budget and not inputting into the U.S. economy.

There is no harm to the U.S. economy to send the foreigners home especially since most do not pay taxes. Because the foreign worker is considered a “guest-worker” the employer does not take out any employment taxes. The foreigners do not pay Social Security Taxes but do use the government health net, schools, roads, and other infrastructure. Further, the foreigners do not pay for the social cost of supporting the out of work American and their families. Also, the foreigners send their savings home to their foreign country thus depriving the U.S. economy of any extra earnings from the savings.

The true scale of the harm is visible by understanding that in the past 20 years approximately 6,000,000 U.S. workers have been forced out of their careers and put on public welfare so that employers could replace them with foreigners. The U.S. taxpayer has and continues to picked up the tab to support the unemployed masses.

For the past 15 years, it is undisputed that the H-1B program has been used by most, if not all, companies to replace U.S. workers with foreign workers. Because of Congress, a company uses their competent American worker to train H-1B foreigners, then fires the American worker and reduces the pay to the H-1B foreigner. Congress has always known of this practice to replace U.S. workers and in response passed laws to make it easier to do so.

In fact, Indian Commerce Minister Kamal Nath referred to the H-1B as “the outsourcing visa” because of the ease of exporting cheap Indian labor to the U.S.

Presently, anyone with a college degree can be replaced by a foreigner. "Replacement" has happened to IT professionals but also to lawyers, accountants, risk managers, business managers, chefs, human resource managers and the list goes on. Big Business is lobbing Congress to lift the cap on H1B Visa. At the same time, certain immigration groups want expansion of H1B to everyone and President Obama is quoted as favorable to their demands. Thus, Joe the plumber or Mary the electrician or Bob the factory worker will have to compete with foreigners for their jobs. Can you imagine a world were the super rich Wall Street bosses are protected from foreign wage competition but every other U.S. workers has to compete with the low wage scale foreigners. It is happening right now for anyone with a college degree.

Elayle   April 28th, 2010 2:36 pm ET

i am proud to be American but i am more proud to have a great person as Michael Moor who fight for the right.

Annette K. J. Faltot   April 28th, 2010 2:53 pm ET

Go Michael! I am with you all the way. The Tea-Partiers are a bunch of nut cases (why aren't they marching on Wall Street?), Palin is enjoying her "15 minutes of fame" and if the wolves and moose were armed I hope they would go for her first. Being proud of killing defenseless animals from a helicopter is mind boggling. Also, you are right about Arizona. They are a bunch of bigots who got away with passing a racist law. Racism is a sin.

Bob   April 28th, 2010 3:03 pm ET


1. Mexico issued A travel alert to Mexicans traveling to Arizona, "that they may be harassed and questioned without further cause at any time".

2. Mexican President Felipe Calderon has accused Arizona of opening the door "to intolerance, hate, discrimination and abuse in law enforcement."

3. Arizona has nothing on Mexico when it comes to cracking down on illegal aliens.
NOTE: While open-borders activists decry new enforcement measures signed into law in "Nazi-zona" last week, they remain deaf, dumb or willfully blind to the unapologetically restrictionist policies of our neighbors to the south.

4.The Arizona law bans sanctuary cities that refuse to enforce immigration laws, stiffens penalties against illegal alien day laborers and their employers, makes it a misdemeanor for immigrants to fail to complete and carry an alien registration document, and allows the police to arrest immigrants unable to show documents proving they are in the U.S. legally.



Legal Entry

1. The Mexican government will bar foreigners if they upset "the equilibrium of the national demographics." How's that for racial and ethnic profiling?

2. If outsiders do not enhance the country's "economic or national interests" or are "not found to be physically or mentally healthy," they are not welcome.

3. Neither are those who show "contempt against national sovereignty or security." They must not be economic burdens on society and must have clean criminal histories.

4. Those seeking to obtain Mexican citizenship must show a birth certificate, provide a bank statement proving economic independence, pass an exam and prove they can provide their own health care.

Illegal Entry

1. Illegal entry into the country is equivalent to a felony punishable by two years' imprisonment.

2. Document fraud is subject to fine and imprisonment; so is alien marriage fraud.

3. Evading deportation is a serious crime; illegal re-entry after deportation is punishable by ten years' imprisonment.

4. Foreigners may be kicked out of the country without due process and the endless bites at the litigation apple that illegal aliens are afforded in our country.

5. Law enforcement officials at all levels – by national mandate – must cooperate to enforce immigration laws, including illegal alien arrests and deportations.

6. The Mexican military is also required to assist in immigration enforcement operations.

7. Native-born Mexicans are empowered to make citizens' arrests of illegal aliens and turn them in to authorities.

8. Ready to show your papers? Mexico's National Catalog of Foreigners tracks all outside tourists and foreign nationals.

9. A National Population Registry tracks and verifies the identity of every member of the population, who must carry a citizens' identity card.

10. Visitors who do not possess proper documents and identification are subject to arrest as illegal aliens.

NOTE: All of these provisions are enshrined in Mexico's Ley General de Población (General Law of the Population) and were spotlighted in a 2006 research paper published by the Washington, D.C.-based Center for Security Policy.


There's been no public clamor for "comprehensive immigration reform" in Mexico, however, because pro-illegal alien speech by outsiders is prohibited.

Consider: Open-borders protesters marched freely at the Capitol building in Arizona, comparing GOP Gov. Jan Brewer to Hitler, waving Mexican flags, advocating that demonstrators "Smash the State," and holding signs that proclaimed "No human is illegal" and "We have rights."


1. Under the Mexican constitution, such political speech by foreigners is banned.

2. Non-citizens cannot "in any way participate in the political affairs of the country."

3. In fact, a plethora of Mexican statutes enacted by its congress limit the participation of foreign nationals and companies in everything from investment, education, mining and civil aviation to electric energy and firearms.

4. Foreigners have severely limited private property and employment rights (if any).

5. As for abuse, the Mexican government is notorious for its abuse of Central American illegal aliens who attempt to violate Mexico's southern border.

6. The Red Cross has protested rampant Mexican police corruption, intimidation and bribery schemes targeting illegal aliens there for years.

7. Mexico didn't respond by granting mass amnesty to illegal aliens, as it is demanding that we do. It clamped down on its borders even further.

8. In late 2008, the Mexican government launched an aggressive deportation plan to curtain illegal Cuban immigration and human trafficking through Cancun.

9. Meanwhile, Mexican consular offices in the United States have coordinated with left-wing social justice groups and the Catholic Church leadership to demand a moratorium on all deportations and a freeze on all employment raids across America.

10. Mexico is doing the job Arizona is now doing – a job the U.S. government has failed miserably to do: putting its people first. Here's the proper rejoinder to all the hysterical demagogues in Mexico (and their sympathizers here on American soil) now calling for boycotts and invoking Jim Crow laws, apartheid and the Holocaust because Arizona has taken its sovereignty into its own hands.

Let's show our gutless politicians in Washington this November during the mid-term elections, the exit gate to El Camino Real.

kaye   April 28th, 2010 3:32 pm ET

crime number 1 crossing borders illegally!.. key words here.. crime illegal!.. to tell law.. key word law enforcement another key word by the way to igonre is insane!.. our coutnry has been invaded and were in iraq!!!.. i still am shaking my head at this one..

kaye   April 28th, 2010 3:34 pm ET

omg! legal immigration isnt to be compared to illegal.,. how dare you..

gerald Jolly   April 28th, 2010 3:48 pm ET

@ Cindy, thank you for your kind words.

The fact is that I am American born, and have dual citizenship, I guess it's because of my service in Vietnam.

I moved to Canada shortly after my return from Vietnam, mainly because I met and married a wonderful Canadian lady, thus the Canadian citizenship.

I'm not quiye sure if there is still the same rules that apply to dual citizenship, however I am thankfull that I was fortunate enough to retain both.

I live in Canada's Capital, where I lecture on political affairs at several Universities located in Ontario as a as needed basis, WORKS PERFECT FOR ME.

Raffaele Zuccaro   April 28th, 2010 4:08 pm ET

Bob–Thank you– isnt this just indicative of how STUPID Michael and Larry King "DEAD" are???? Two ignoramusus – Do they not see the difference of what time is compared to when OUR forefathers came to this country???

Alejandro A F   April 28th, 2010 4:11 pm ET



Rose   April 28th, 2010 4:24 pm ET

Whenever Michael Moore (thankfully) speaks up for the need to be fair, stating he opposes the few at the top who are disporportionately taking more than their already substantial share (usually through fraud, misrepresentation and other corrupt/criminal practices) he is deemed a "socialist" by some.

He doesn't oppose being wealthy – through hard work, productivity, innovation and integrity – he opposes those who connive to rip off others (on a mass, institutional scale). The employees who lose their jobs while executives claim multi-million dollar bonuses. Earned yet lost pensions. Nothing to show for years of service to a company. Shipping jobs overseas for cheap labor while our American communities sink. Those striving to support themselves and their families are sunk in a cesspool of greed.

Moore speaking up against the continued use of elaborate and sophisticated schemes to defraud and victimize average people – to a devastating extent – is not being socialist. It's being American.

IKHAN   April 28th, 2010 4:49 pm ET

Hi Larry,
enjoying the show, best wishes to you & your team.
Don't I just love this guy Moore, he has more guts & courage of his convictions than most politicians & law makers put together. He sure is what the American way is. More power to him.

Michelle   April 28th, 2010 4:54 pm ET

Maybe your right Cajazz – My son is in Aafghanistan right now in a war that Bush started without the conscent of the United Nation – I will never ever forget his ugly words in a speech he gave "either your with us or against us" – who the hell does he think he is. – CNN could at least posted my first message I left of this blog. – Anyway.... it's true we pay a lot of taxes in Canada but we leave no one behind.

Carol Wolter   April 28th, 2010 4:59 pm ET

Are American Citizens unaware of what the word "ILLEGAL" means? As a 22 year resident of Phoenix who has watched the influx of ILLEGALS into our State (and Country), and the RESULTS of it, all I can say is that unless you live here, watch the news every night and realize that MOST of the crime here is done by mostly Latino's, and that they aren't just taking the jobs we don't WANT, (when you are broke, or homeless, ANY job will do) but it has become hard for a Citizen who isn't "bilingual" to get a job in THEIR OWN COUNTRY! OUR language is English, so why should we have to speak Spanish to get a job??? THEY should speak English if they want to live here. Most of the drugs here are brought over the border by (guess who, folks?) ILLEGALS! They are the MAJORITY every where you look now.
RACIST? No, just wanting them to come here by following proper channels, not sneaking over and getting everything FREE! WE DON'T!
The main point is this: IF they are here LEGALLY, they have NOTHING TO WORRY ABOUT, do they? If they AREN'T, then we need to be as strict as their Country is (according to "BOB"), and not let their criminals come here illegally, and continue to be criminals HERE! My daughter was in a car that was making a LEGAL left turn when a drunk, illegal ran a red light and sideswiped the car, and RAN! The Officer told me that if she had had a seat belt on she would have been DEAD! Drunk driving, domestic abuse, kidnapping kids, fights, and theft–we hear it every day! MOSTLY illegals! Kitchen jobs filled by ILLEGALS (nursing homes, etc.) Unless you have lived here and dealt with it, you don't have a clue! THEIR rights? What about OURS??? AND our SAFETY! What else can we do to stop it? Any IDEAS? All ideas are welcome, if there are any! (THANK YOU, BOB, for telling it like it is! Al Sharpton, Mr. Moore (who I USUALLY agree with) Know what you are talking about BEFORE being so Righteous and quick to condemn us! Thank you.

Cindy   April 28th, 2010 5:18 pm ET

Thank you! The information you provided is very enlightening and certainly raises some interesting questions.

Cindy   April 28th, 2010 5:18 pm ET

@Gerald Jolly,
What you have describes sounds like a good life in a beautiful country!

Martin Egbe   April 28th, 2010 5:28 pm ET

I would like to debunk Michael Moore assertion that only American Indians and African Americans did not come to America as willing immigrants, with this article "BRITISH CONVICTS SHIPPED TO AMERICAN COLONIES". This article showed that over 50000 British and Irish prisoners were shipped to America.

Dao   April 28th, 2010 5:38 pm ET

If only California had the guts to do what Arizona did. Wow, making it illiegal to be in the country illegally. What a concept. Micheal Moore and other like him would love to destroy this country.

Different topic but had to say it:
Believe it or not but liberals are the ones who want to police behavior. They are the ones that make laws on top of laws in order to restrict freedom of choice. Example the liberals in Santa Claria saying companies can't put toys in meals. Come on people don't you see your freedoms being taken away? Government has gotten to big and people like Michael Morre believe it's to small. They want to control every part og your lives. Liberals are just to dumb to realize it. One day you will and it might be to late.

Joe G. (Illinois)   April 28th, 2010 6:19 pm ET

1) Illegal Immigration

2) Illegal Drug Trafficking and its Money Laundering Proceeds
infusing business corporations and creating jobs

3) Borak Obama patching and re-inflating the most recent economic bubble to prevent a true honest market..

These things are Truly Americana that “The majority”
aren’t willing to get rid of..

Got a lot more to say, but...
Thanks and good day.

Peter Lewis   April 28th, 2010 8:11 pm ET


I very much enjoyed the Tuesday (?) show with Michael Moore (& agreed with most of his comments). I'd like to send a copy of a recent joke from a British newspaper (The Independent), but attaching it doesn't seem to be possible via this CNN e-mail contact from, so will have to describe it 'verbatim'.
It obliquely relates to the current economic debâcle with regard to the apparent lack of supervision, due to the eyes of SEC employees allegedly looking "elsewhere" quite a lot of the time, as follows:

A man is reading a newspaper with the headline "SEC Man Watches Porn during Credit Crunch".
Seeing this, a colleague comments "I thought all that moaning was coming from the banks."

While this might not be to everyone's taste, I feel sure you could have much mirth in sharing it with Michael, and indeed also with Willie Nelson (cf. the lady stung by a bee while playing golf)!!

Kind regards & congratulations on 25 years of a great show series,
Peter Lewis

Cologne, Germany

IKHAN   April 28th, 2010 9:33 pm ET

liked your comments for Michel Moore, its good to lighten up a little.

you are right on the mark & we share your feelings. Pray for your brave boy to return home safely. These senseless wars are draining us of precious lives & funds much needed at home.

Angela Savage Austin   April 28th, 2010 9:54 pm ET

Thank God for Michael Moore. I wish He would run for President some day.

QUESTION... Do you agree that the State of Arizona has the right to be a Political rewrite a Federal Law that they and others nationally, believe is inadequate or just because appropiate, timely and necessary action has not been taken, gives them the right to be a self appointed doer of "Just-Us" legislation?.

...We all have been in their shoes when it comes to the "Criminal Environment" they express. Crime is an Equal Opportunity every state. I totally agree that is a major concern for all who resides in Arizona...even the Hispanic population. However, this has put light on the desperation that many feel and ... See Moreexperience and should be addressed before individuals take the Law in theirs Hands. We have troops stationed all over the world and some of the military personnel in each base can be reassigned and relocated to protect all borders in the US. We all know that "Hostily Breeds Hostility" especially when the Law itself is not clear...for example how do you profile someone such as a Canadian, Russian, Italian, Haitian, etc...that may be an illegal living in this country...whats next? Also before the United States became the United States much of these lands were first occupied by the very same people. I pray that the Federal government will takes the steps necessary and fair to address this situation.

Now another consideration I haven't heard mentioned is the Big Business of Prisons and the money that will be made incarcerating the illegals that are detained. How long are they detained before they are exported back to their countries?.

Bernard Horowitz   April 28th, 2010 11:44 pm ET

Larry King

for Michael Moore--–The average Canadians federal income tax
is 22.2%.

Bonnie   April 29th, 2010 12:02 am ET

Jan Brewer should be impeached and removed from office for gross misconduct. "Her" immigration bill may as well have read "if you're brown, turn around."

While immigration reform is certainly a must in order to protect America and it's citizens, sacrificing the rights of American's through a lame attempt at immigration reform is not acceptible. In addition, I challenge Jan Brewer to live across the border in Mexico for 30 days. She can't have a bodyguard and she can't have a weapon of her own. One of the many things that she is missing is the fact that many of the mexican people are fleeing the country not for work or luxuries, but because they fear for their life and the lives of their children. Those people are refugees fleeing from a war zone in which innocent people are slaughtered and live without the protection of law enforcement. Jan Brewer has made it clear that even in 2010 ignorance is alive and well and, unfortunately, can even be elected to public office.

Smith in Oregon   April 29th, 2010 2:00 am ET

I wonder what Michael Moore would think about the Republican lawmakers earlier today who were floating the incredibly racist notion that children born in America from illegal immigrants 'lack the soul of American citizenship' !!!

What? Republican lawmakers are stating Hispanic children who are American Citizens 'lack the soul of American citizenship' ??!!!

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, Amendment 14. shall not be interfered with by States in regards to American citizenship.

This Republican Party attempt to demonize Hispanic Children born in the United States speaks very highly of crass demeaning Racism.

Republican lawmakers and their Tea Party followers often thump following the US Constitution. Apparently they greatly deviate from that Republican Mantra when it is self-serving, go figure!

I suspect many Arizonians will immigrate to America when Arizona goes bankrupt from the boycott.

I hope the Democratic Party continuously tells the Hispanic Community and the voting public, 'Remember Arizona' come mid-term election time.

Michelle   April 29th, 2010 6:50 am ET

To Ikhan - thank you very much for caring about my son's safety - it was very nice of you to write those kind words.

IKHAN   April 29th, 2010 1:41 pm ET

@Smith in Oregon
you have exposed impropriety of Repub tactics to woo those who are up in arms against all immigrants. This is really sad.
Let me tell you that we are going to see a wave of bigoted, black heart politicians falling over each other to prove who is against the immigrants the most.

You are welcome
All thinking Americans want to see a peaceful world for our kids & grand kids to grow up in. Those misguided souls who constantly beat the war drums are driven by vested interests or propaganda from those quarters who profit from wars the most. Military industrial complex, politicians holding 'dual loyalty', our closest allies wearing a murky cloak of faux-democracy & the media controlled by them etc.
This demonic agenda ,I heard has squirmed into Canadian politics too. They banned the brave & outspoken British MP Galloway from entering Canada.
God help us all.

Michelle   April 29th, 2010 3:41 pm ET

Well said.... Sometimes I wonder why we are not helping the poor souls in Congo – the women who are raped – the families who are thorn apart – the villages being burned – I guess it's because there is no Oil for profit there. (Please excuse my speeling I'm french Canadian).

Elizabeth Ochoa   April 29th, 2010 10:05 pm ET

This anti Latinos law in Arizona is a violation of Human Rights. It is not an enforcement of immigration laws, it bluntly discriminates against Latinos. Racial profiling, Racist.
Are the Arizona authorities going to ask Europeans, Indians, Jamaican, Haitians, Koreans, Chinese, Japanese, and other Asians for their status documents? It seems that this is discrimination only against Hispanics. Is this America, the land of the free and the home of the braves? This law is full of hate and fear.
I think all Hispanics should boycott Arizona, they don’t want us.
Elizabeth Ochoa
US citizen/Miami

Michelle   April 30th, 2010 7:58 am ET

I personally think the reason that law will be inforced starting in the next few weeks is because Arizona is connected to Mexico. Although it seems extreme at first – when you really think about it, they are doing so not because not of racial profiling but rater they are trying to keep the people from entering the state illegaly. To many people and not enough job for Americans is not good also. Certainly not in this time period. And who would leave their house without any wallet – now come on ......Desprate times calls for desprate mesures.

karen hajek   July 27th, 2010 9:51 pm ET

I wonder if all these people who are againest Ariz. ever lived there you should walk in there shoes this is about the cost to ariz. & jobs & mosty safety and being legal I came from England & had to do it legal & it makes me very angry that there is diffrent rules just because they have babbies here & yes I lived in Ariz. I know about the crime & killings & being afraid you should go there & you will change your mind have you ever gone to the doctors & no one speaks english & you have to pay higher taxes so they can get free medical care go legal or get out & I am not a republicain

Edouard Marzouka   October 14th, 2010 8:12 am ET

Michael Moore has always been in the favor of humanity and speaks his heart and truth. The truth and fact are his favorite subjects, we all know that Washington DC is full of nothing but self-interest politicians; I mean to say our congress. I have watched this man over the years and I am not acting ignorant or naive but thank God we have him to put things in film for the world to see.

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