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April 23, 2010

Tonight on Larry King Live!

Posted: 07:35 PM ET

A Christian singer’s shocking admission:  she’s gay.

When Jennifer Knapp walked away from her successful Christian music career in 2003, fans scratched their heads and wondered why?  

Now, the popular songstress is ready to talk about her comeback…and her coming out!  It’s been a polarizing topic of discussion within the Christian music industry and by fans.

Pastor Bob Botsford says his heart breaks for her.  Find out what happens when Knapp and Pastor Botsford sit down face-to-face.

Ted Haggard also joins the discussion…

Tonight…can you be both gay…and a Christian?

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Naira from NY   April 23rd, 2010 7:55 pm ET

yes, you can. One has nothing to do with another. we are in 21st century- it's about time people learn how to accept those who have different choices.

what's going on with US? it's hate all around: hate women for making choice, hate gays for being different, hate foreigners because they look different and so and so forth. Relax, just enjoy good music- does it really make a difference whom your favorite singer love?


Joe G. (Illinois)   April 23rd, 2010 8:07 pm ET

Carrie Prejean Christian.. Borak Obama a Christian.. Everybody a Christian. Who else? Who else is a Christian?

Christians are those who fallow into the steps of Jesus Christ.. If you don’t fear God, if you don’t love God that should tell you that you don’t know him.


Shan   April 23rd, 2010 8:29 pm ET

I think that every one has to rightly divide the Word of God. The Word of God tells us not to habitually sin (that's practice sin). Homosexuality is a lifestyle, and the Bible does clearly says that homosexually is an abomination. It's not like someone curses, and is convicted about it and asks for forgiveness and does it no more. True repentence is that you ask for forgiveness and turn and do it NO MORE. I don't believe you can have this lifestyle and be in the Will of God. It, homosexuality, is something someone choose to live/do/practice everyday. Now I will say that there are those that live this lifesyle, and want to change, but it has become a stronghold. I do not know what anyone cries out at night to the Lord to change in their lives; I know what I say. But if someone is practicing this type of lifetyle and is not asking God to change their hearts concerning this, then I believe that they Choose to sin against God, and this is not pleasing to Him. Yes, God loves the sinner, but He HATES the sin! Yes, we all sin and have fallen short of the glory of God, but remember God knows the intent of every mans thoughts/heart; He knows that if you cry out for change if you sincerely mean it.


Valerie Bellinger   April 23rd, 2010 8:53 pm ET

You can be a Gay person working toward being a Christian. To claim to be a Christian singer and be Gay...I would strongly discourage anyone to try to play with the Lord like that, or to be a stumbling block to someone trying to come out of that ABOMINATION Lifestyle. I will pray for this young woman to be delivered, and for her salvation.


Adam   April 23rd, 2010 9:03 pm ET

IMPOSSIBLE to be a TRUE Christian and be Gay. There are MANY Christians in the world who are NOT BORN AGAIN. They just believe in Jesus and do NOT KNOW him. Homosexuality is an abomination to God, therefore, they know NOT the Lord Jesus nor our Father in heaven. Sorry, judgment day will speak this truth.


Susan   April 23rd, 2010 9:11 pm ET

Not everyone who say they are a Christian will be Saved..........

Will everyone be saved? If the answer to this was yes, unconditionally, then we would have to wonder why we are still here in this sinful world rather than in heaven? What would God be waiting on then? The short answer to the question of whether everyone will be saved is sadly, NO. But this is not guess work on our part. Let’s permit Jesus Himself to speak to this very question.

No. 1 – “Wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are MANY who go in by it…Narrow is the gate…which leads to life, and there are FEW who find it.” (Mt. 7:13) Notice that Jesus makes it clear that the “many” who go to “destruction” go there as a result of their decision to live outside of God’s will. Jesus also mentions that “few” are really searching out salvation. They assume they will go to heaven just because. Salvation is conditional.

No. 2 – Jesus, in the passage about “inasmuch as you did it to one of the least of these My brethren, you did it to Me,” concludes that thought by stating that God knows those who have lived the life of Jesus and those who have not. Regarding those who have not, Jesus declares: “These will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” (Mt. 25:40,46). So, some will go to punishment and some to eternal life.

Will everyone be saved? The answer Jesus gives is an unfortunate NO. But the choice is ours. Do we demonstrate our desire to go to heaven by living by God’s rules? What is God’s desire? “God is good…who desires all men to be saved.” (1Tim. 2:3-4). “The Lord…is longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.” (2Pet. 3:9). Once again it is stressed that the choice to “repent” is ours and the CONDITION for salvation is repentance.


Kim   April 23rd, 2010 9:12 pm ET

Jennifer has such talent and I enjoy her music but she is leaving out parts of God's word if she thinks that God approves of being gay. I am very sad for her too, you can't just pick and choose what you believe in from the Bible, It is all Truth and it speaks clearly against this.


Monty   April 23rd, 2010 9:12 pm ET

Hey. This is the equivalent of Christian men trading porno movies. I'm tossing anything I own by Jennifer Knapp in the garbage. Love the sinner...hate the sin.


Don   April 23rd, 2010 9:16 pm ET

Why can't you be gay and Christian? Christ, for whom Christianity is based, said nothing about homosexuality. He spoke more about money than he did about sex or homosexuality. Jennifer, keep going to church, keep serving those who need help, and keep singing your songs!


Kim   April 23rd, 2010 9:16 pm ET

You are supported and loved Jenn.


Don   April 23rd, 2010 9:16 pm ET

According to the Old Testament, eating shellfish is an abomination. Pick your abomination...


Dan Bray   April 23rd, 2010 9:17 pm ET

Jesus would have been proud of Jennifer Knapp!


Chris Thompson   April 23rd, 2010 9:19 pm ET

Yes, I believe that one can be both a Christian, as I am, and be gay. I will not be bringing any judgement or condemnation down upon my sister in Christ Jennifer, or anyone else who is gay. Therefore, I am in support of her personal decisions of being a lesbian and in coming out. That was courageous enough for her to do, without having to be subjected to hatred and judgements from her fellow Christians. Live your life and be happy, Jennifer!


Monty   April 23rd, 2010 9:19 pm ET

1 John
5This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
Homosexuality-lesbianism is not Biblical. We all struggle with sin...but when you throw in the towel and say, oh well...this is okay...yikes!


Susan   April 23rd, 2010 9:20 pm ET

This woman is mis-informed.....Jesus offers repentenance for those who sincerely repent of there sins and acting on Homosexual relations is such a SIN....You can't continue to Steal make excuses for being a Thief and think Jesus is going to embrace you because you say you are a *Christian*

GOD created his Holy Union to be a Man and a Woman to love, to share intimacy, consummation in Marriage and to procreate this is what he DESIGNED, he designed no other alternative relationship this is the Lie of Satan that people are falling for.

Jesus even refers to himself and the Church as a *Husband* and his Bride* the Church....Jesus wrote a letter to the 7 Churches in the Book of Revelation about what is happening to today's Churches...

We need to walk in the Spirit not the flesh if we are to walk into eternal Salvation with our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.


Pat   April 23rd, 2010 9:23 pm ET

Being a Christian and believing in God has nothing to do with being gay or straight. Be glad that people believe in God and are Christians..


Leke   April 23rd, 2010 9:25 pm ET

she didn't know what she is saying ,why she come out know? if she is not fill guity of his doing.Mattew 25:1-end


Gail Moore   April 23rd, 2010 9:25 pm ET

The Bible also says it is ok to have slaves, and to have sex with them. How can you pick and choose which to follow?


Anita   April 23rd, 2010 9:26 pm ET

Adam and Steve? are you kidding? how many cliches can this man use?
he does not know the Bible in the original language, only the perverted text of the king james. Jennifer rocks!
(i am a lesbian child of God, and so is my partner)


Greta J Cooper   April 23rd, 2010 9:27 pm ET

Pastor Botsford,

Kudos for respectfully and gently standing up for what is indisputable in Gods Word.


Susan   April 23rd, 2010 9:27 pm ET

Romans 1:26-27 (King James Version)

For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:

And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.

There are so many Biblical Scriptures that condemn Homosexual relations...


deblw   April 23rd, 2010 9:27 pm ET

I agree that she has been misinformed. Also, not that impressed with Pastor Bob Botsford's apologetic. His demeanor was excellent though. I'd like to see someone come along side her and show her the Truth fully.


James Richard   April 23rd, 2010 9:28 pm ET

I have been a Christian for most of my adult life, and for most of that time, I knew I was gay, and rejected it. However, since I met the man that has been my lover for 14+ years, I have had a greater love for God in my life, and I have grown in the Lord more than in the 20 years that I was rejecting my gay feelings.

God is love, not hate. When Jesus told us to love thy neighbor, He did not qualify it by saying, "unless thy neighbor is homosexual."

James Richards, Chicago

Loved by a bear for over 14 years


John   April 23rd, 2010 9:29 pm ET

There are over 33,000 denominations of Christianity and they all think they are right. All of these denominations go by the Bible. There are even differences in interpretation between different churches within these denominations. Only God knows the truth.


Susan   April 23rd, 2010 9:29 pm ET

MATTHEW 9:15

'FOR THIS REASON A MAN SHALL LEAVE HIS FATHER AND MOTHER AND BE JOINED TO HIS WIFE, AND THE TWO SHALL BECOME ONE FLESH

Which is CONSUMMATION....


norman goldstein   April 23rd, 2010 9:30 pm ET

My Jewish Torah that you get your anti-Gay instruction from also says:

Do not cut your hair or beard...Religous Jews Don't Why do you?
Do not Eat certain animals ( pig,lobster, crab, shrimp) Do You?
Do not have tattoos, this is a sin. DO you?

Why pick just the laws you like and ignore all 613 Commandments from
G-d in the Jewish Torah???????????????


Jeff   April 23rd, 2010 9:30 pm ET

Well, I was saved by Grace through Faith at the age of 17, in a country Baptist Church in the mountains of north Georgia. I was gay when the Lord saved me and he knew all about me. I'm still saved and I and almost 50 years old now and I have been singing Gospel music for the better part of 25 years in church. So don;t tell me that I'm going to hell. Because I may not be the smartest person in the world but when all is said and done I KNOW I WILL BE GOING TO HEAVEN.

Amen
.


Bob   April 23rd, 2010 9:32 pm ET

This just adds to my belief that Religion is one of the worst institutions this society has ever had. The main purpose of it is to persecute others whether it is women, blacks, gays or the many others


Mitzi   April 23rd, 2010 9:32 pm ET

If Jesus were alive today and were at a same sex wedding, I don't believe that he would NOT give a handshake or a hug to the newly married couple, do you? Can you imagine Jesus turning away from any of humankind????


Shan   April 23rd, 2010 9:32 pm ET

What Bible is she reading???? You can not be a TRUE believer in the Word of God and you a contradicting what He specifically says. Now, I not perfect – not even close, but I do try to walk according to His Word (The Bible), and ALL of His Word. I do not try to pick and choose which parts I agree with or do some and not the other.


DLB   April 23rd, 2010 9:33 pm ET

It is totally possible to be Christian and gay. I am a Christian who happens to be a lesbian. I've heard all of the clobber passages. I'm tired of those who think they are speaking on behalf of God while spitting hatred. It's all rhetoric. God is with Jennifer and her partner, and He is with me. He is the One who didn't condemn me when I came out- the condemnation came from other "Christians". Matthew chapter 7, verses 1 and 2 says: "Do not judge so that you will not be judged. For in the way you judge, you will be judged; and by your standard of measure, it will be measured to you." I urge caution before anyone condemns Christian gays and lesbians to hell....


Jennifer Sarteau   April 23rd, 2010 9:33 pm ET

I believe that God loves us all, and we are all sinners. However, all you have to do is look at the body parts and see how they fit together, it is basic science; God made sex for making babies, in marriage between a man and a woman. Homosexuality is no worse a sin than any other, and God will be the judge in the end, and I will never judge people's salvation (whether or not we will go to heaven). It is now stupid for people to debate this issue, in public on Larry King Live, for example. Each church is accountable to God with how they treat people, and they should be able to decide what stance they want to take in interpreting the Holy Bible. I believe we have to love all people, no matter their sexuality. Yet, we don't have to agree with people to love them. We can never agree with someone 100% on all issues.


Mickey-Bronx, NY   April 23rd, 2010 9:34 pm ET

I'm not Gay or Lesbian, but I support those who are true to who they are; It's all the "suppose" from society and Christianity that ruins the relationship with their "Higher Power" Be who you are and God will love you, because you love "yourself".


Shirley   April 23rd, 2010 9:34 pm ET

Jennifer, you are loved in God's eyes and you are his beloved child, like we all are. I am Heterosexual and know the truth as you do. He made and loves us all. It is people who are so insecure of their own beliefs and his acceptance who refuse to acknowledge the scientific truth about all of us. Don't your be sad. Know that there are those of us who are not ignorant any more. The Bible is interpreted by a lot of people for their own conveniences. That would include a job, etc.


Joyce   April 23rd, 2010 9:34 pm ET

Thank you Jennifer for your courage! If you live a loving life caring and loving and respectful to one another and to strangers - God bless you. Some of the most giving and loving people I have ever met are Gay, and live an example of Christ more than many that call themselves Christian.


christine   April 23rd, 2010 9:35 pm ET

I do not like what the pastor is saying. Who is he to judge where in the bible does it say that people should give our pastors our money and let them live in masions. When we live in poverty. God wrote the bible but man inturprites it.


Paul, from Chicago   April 23rd, 2010 9:36 pm ET

If you believe the word that “all scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking and training in righteousness”… then you can not read the bible as just a good book. The Holy Bible contains dozens of scripture (Ex. Romans 1:26-47) regarding homosexuality as a sin and the result is judgment. The world and most religions are always trying to accommodate its own life-style instead of Godly living.


Joel Rivera   April 23rd, 2010 9:37 pm ET

Being a homosexual is a sin and is comndem by God. God destroy sodom and gomorra for that reason. And He said that just like in the days of Noe so will be the last days, Where men will be with men and women with women. She is blinded by satan. God loves her not her sin.


Tim Lewis   April 23rd, 2010 9:37 pm ET

I cannot believe the oddassity of the religous fanatics!! I'm not familiar with Jennifer musical career, but I have nothing but respect and , for her decision to come out as a lesbian. These religous authoritans are nothing but dishonest, misguiding, VERY UNEDUCATED, and just shameful reminds me how much Hiler had his people brainwashed that they were differemt. amd ,more superior than other human beings on the planet.
These are the type of people that we have to watch and make sure that thier misguiding, and dishonest teachings doesn't take a wrong step in our history. Timothy Lewis Peterborough, On, Canada


Nancy   April 23rd, 2010 9:37 pm ET

I believe that our Christian Faith has a few absolutes that are not considered often. !. God is our only Judge and it is between us and Him. As humans we see things through our eyes, sinful eyes not through Holy eyes.

2. God is the only one who knows our faith and it can not be judged by oher mortal men.

3. I am in my late sixties and have learned a lot in life. I am a Christian and try to live my life as I see that. I am also a sinner. Not as some see a sinner ie, gay, murderer, adulterer etc. We tend to forget that a sin is a sin whether it is one that the media plays up or if it is something more socially acceptable. They are equal or go back to reading each one's sins from the pulpit. God help us.


Charles   April 23rd, 2010 9:37 pm ET

Please ask the appropriate question. The real issue is not in asking this pastor whether he is heterosexual or otherwise.

The RIGHT response needs to be, no one is born gay or straight. If the truth is what is desired and not all the hype the appropriate response when I have been asked is that I was born MALE.

What a novel thought. Keep the issue the issue. It is not judging to speak the truth.


Amanda   April 23rd, 2010 9:37 pm ET

I'm frustrtated, I want to encourage you but I can't seem to contact you other than this post. You were so strong on the show and I was so encouraged. Thank You – we all sin – are you hurting the heart of God more than anyone else? No. Walk your walk, keep in touch with Christ in any form you can. I am. I have been so judged and condemned for nothing to the point that I walked away but you know what? God walked with me. His love is so amazing!

I have such respect for you Jennifer ....

amanda


Anita   April 23rd, 2010 9:37 pm ET

Susan, anyone can copy and paste.

why would someone CHOOSE this? because of sex? if i had never been with ANYONE i would still be a lesbian. i spent 20 years trying to be "straight". if it was so important, why didn't Jesus ever mention it? He spoke of divorce much more than any other sin. churches no longer kick out divorced people ... there's too many of them


Amanda   April 23rd, 2010 9:39 pm ET

To all those whom spoke here – you all know your sin! What would you do if Christ shouted it from the roof tops? At your work place? In your home? To your family? Sow what you reap my friend....


Peter Matteson   April 23rd, 2010 9:39 pm ET

Literal translation of the bible is such a fallacy! He has no right to judge Jennifer. His though procees is so flawed -I'm tired of these self righteous people


DLB   April 23rd, 2010 9:39 pm ET

Jennifer is an amazing Christian, lesbian woman! Kudos!


Pastor Bob Leeson   April 23rd, 2010 9:39 pm ET

Jennifer is right. The whole question hinges on how one interprets scripture. Pastor Bob and Haggard are literalists in their interpretive method. However, I wish you had invited a biblical scholar who could have demonstrated the problems with this form on interpretation. A non-literal method of interpretation understands that the writings of the Bible also involved the culture and science of that time, including an uninformed view of homosexuality. Those writers thought the world was flat and that homosexuality was a choice, both points of view which we now understand are not true.


Tony, Montreal, Canada   April 23rd, 2010 9:40 pm ET

Congratulations Jennifer, on having the courage to speak YOUR TRUTH. As a gay man who believes in Christ and is very spiritual, I know that GOD LOVES ME and is BLESSING ME in my life.


Jon Davis   April 23rd, 2010 9:40 pm ET

The guy on the show is, like so often happens in bible interpretation, very off base as exposed in the documentary "For The Bible Tells Me So". There are several other convincing documentaries that reinforce the one I mention.
He is judging, no doubt about it in my opinion, and would be benefited by some objective historical reference as it regards gender.
Unfortunately when the bible is abused through generations of filters that have been more self serving than a study of natural law – it boils down to empowering oneself to have dominion over others. It's fine for him if he wants to choose to delude himself, along with every other fundamental christian [probably] but he deserves no special quarter or consideration for his outright bias however misguided.


Candi   April 23rd, 2010 9:42 pm ET

You CANNOT be a christian and be gay. Its like trying to serve two masters. Homosexuality is not of God, so u can't say u're a christian and have this in your life. God has condemned many earlier civilisations for this practice, lets not forget Sodom and Gommorah. So saying he gave us a choice he did not make it a dictatorship, but to say that u're associated with God your lifestyle should reflect that. Like the Pastor said we are all with sin and non is worse than the other they are all sins but its the choice that we make to remove sin from our life that makes us Christians and closer to GOD.


Nancy   April 23rd, 2010 9:42 pm ET

Bob Haggard added a great deal of sensitivity and sensible thought to this. He has grown so much himself. Congratulations Bob.


Lucy   April 23rd, 2010 9:42 pm ET

Hello Larry! I love your show! You are all about diversity and that is what I love about your show!! I just need to say to Jennifer as a Christian woman who had lived a very fast life style as a young woman and always have known that no matter what I did in my past or even in the future God and Christ will always love me! The choices that I made had not always been good but because I have Christ in my heart and I have given my life to Christ, he will never let me go! Jennifer, Christ has your life in his hands and if you ask him to work continue to work in your life he will always love you no matter what! It pains me to hear those who claim they are Christian to talk down on others for their life styles. Christ himself preffered to walk with theivs and liers and those who lived in sin! You and only you will in the end be the one to have to answer directly with God in the end! Jennifer you have been saved by grace! Be kind to others, do what you can to help others and follow your dreams as what is placed in your heart!


Susan   April 23rd, 2010 9:43 pm ET

Jennifer wants to say she is a *Christian* but does not want to admit she is sinning by having sexual relations out of Holy Marriage (Fornication) and having sexual relations with a member of her own sex (Homosexuality)

The Pastor is right we are either BORN AGAIN and walk by the Spirit or we are lost and continue to walk by the Flesh......

Jesus said to the woman *GO and SIN NO MORE......


Leke   April 23rd, 2010 9:44 pm ET

she didn't now what she is saying,why she come out now? if she is not fill giuty of her wrong. Repent now !Mattew 25:1- end


pat. d.   April 23rd, 2010 9:44 pm ET

I have a gay son and he did not make that choice. God loves all people and this reverend is the real sinner for he is the one that is feuling hate and using the scriptures and god to do this. My son is an exemplery person He is kind and goes to church and he would really be hurt to know that this person calls him a sinner .please pastor take your blinders off and get into the real world


Alice   April 23rd, 2010 9:45 pm ET

The reason the pastor can come on national tv and judge homosexuality is because he is confident that is a sin he will not commit. If Jennifer were living with a male and unmarried, he would not be there.


Tami White   April 23rd, 2010 9:45 pm ET

The difference is that Jennifer Knapp knows that homosexuality is a sin and chooses to sin anyway... we all sin, but we TRY NOT TO.. she is choosing her sinful life separated from God and his word.


Debra A. F. Seiz, NJ   April 23rd, 2010 9:45 pm ET

Why aren't these self-righteous religious figures ever seen on TV railing against issues such as WIFE ABUSE or HUMAN OVERPOPULATION?

Why throw the first stones at gay people, who are only trying to love those that they Love?

Why don't they ever quote the REST of the Sodom and Gomorrah story that says "In response, Lot refuses to give his guests to the inhabitants of Sodom and, instead, offers them his two virgin daughters to "do to them whatever you like."

When was the last time these hypocrites ever offered THEIR daughters to strangers to rape, so that they, too, can be called "righteous" in the eyes of the Lord?

GIVE ME a FRIGGIN' BREAK.

A gay man or woman should be FORCED to marry someone who makes them want to gnaw off their own arms when they wake up next to that person in the morning?

Get your OWN heterosexual houses in order, before you stick your HYPOCRITICAL NOSES into MINE.

PATHETIC that a book, transcribed and re-written time after time, inundated w the cultural prejudices of centuries ago are still used as tools to propagate the human manifestation of the pecking order.

Pathetic.


John   April 23rd, 2010 9:45 pm ET

To answer two things, one from Mr. King: That God created everything, therefore God created homosexuality. If we assume, as the Christian does, that homosexuality is sin, then we must answer the question "Did God create sin?" The answer is no, sin was not created by God, sin is the absence of following God. It is purely the will of man, or as C.S. Lewis said it, "There will only be two kinds of people, those who say to God 'Thy will be done' or those to whom God says 'Thy will be done'"

Also, the question is not really whether you can be Christian and be gay, the question they are really dancing around is at the core of this. The question is "Can you be a Christian while denying what you do is sin?" Jennifer made the comment that her 'sin' of homosexuality is no different than any other sin, and she is correct. However, there is a difference between someone who says "I am a sinner and I need God" and one who says "I need God, but not because I'm doing anything wrong" It is an argument as old as creation, it is between man's will and God's.


Jan Overholtzer   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

Whey don't we all live our lives as we chose and take responsibility for our own lives. Until Someone has stood before God and has been denied everlasting life because of whom they love, comes back and tells me so I believe that I will meet Jennifer and her girldfriend in Heaven.


Crissy   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

That Pastor Bob is right.Yes you love the sinner.However if you continue to live in a life of constant sin there are consequences.Kind of like the prodical son who ends up in ruins.I think Jennifers mind has been blinded.


Thomas   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

Susan, thank you for quoting the Holy Bible twice. Keep spreading the Gospel.


Ronald   April 23rd, 2010 9:47 pm ET

Revelation 12.9 ...Satan Deceives the whole world except his people.
Galatians 5:19 the acts of a sinful nature are: Homosexuality and those who practice will not inherit the kingdom.


Pam   April 23rd, 2010 9:47 pm ET

In the Bible, Jesus said, Go and sin no more, but Jennifer Knapp, continues to sin, so she does not respect the wishes of Jesus Christ.
In other religions, it is a blasphemy to be a homosexuals because they have chosen the physical over spiritual. God made man for woman and vice versa, so that they can propagate and continue a generation of human beings. Look at the animal kingdom. Ofcourse, there are extremes in the spectrum, and that is Lesbianism in one end and men homosexuality on the other end. This is the Devil's world and humans are taken up by the Devil's way instead of God's way.


WA   April 23rd, 2010 9:49 pm ET

THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN PRACTICING A SIN AND COMMITTING ONE. WE ALL SIN BUT TO PRACTICE YOUR SIN MAKE IT A HABIT IS WHAT IS WRONG.

Having homosexual feelings that you can not help is not a sin. However, acting on those feelings is another. We as humans have a constant battle with sinful thoughts but acting them is another thing.

Homosexuality is not natural biologicaly speaking. If every person in the world decided to be homosexual then we would would become extinct.


Tina   April 23rd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

Jennifer Knapp is awesome! Open Door Community Fellowship in Louisville, KY LOVES her!


Carla D   April 23rd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

Larry, what are you letting those two men go on and on. We'd rather hear from Jennifer. What a sermon you gave by letting those two men sit there in judgment, spewing their righteousness.


alison   April 23rd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

Jennifer, may you love in the grace of god. There will always be those who justify their beliefs to belittle those who dare to question them. Hypocrites are afraid of the truth of god. My love and angels walk with you.


Myles   April 23rd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

I would like to make the comment as a GAY Catholic christian, Bob mentions its not right to add or take away from the bible, may i politely remind Bob that Martin Luthur, when he made his discision to leave the One true church, TOOK OUT 7 books of the bible. The protestant movement is based on a broken and improper copy of the bible. That being said, I would also like to remind him That God Knows My Heart as well as Jennifer's and we are not doomed to hell as you put it thank you!


Janet   April 23rd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

"Pastor Bob" and his Holier than thou attitiude represents the reason I am no longer involved in a church.


jamie wilson   April 23rd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

To Jennifer...as a christian we love you, BUT...to be a christian you are a follower of Christ and his teachings. HE clearly made his opinion known about homosexuality. Yes, we are in the 21st century but God's Word doesnt change. It is the same yesterday. today and forever. It does not change with the times. Pastor...stick to your guns...Isnt it funny how she gets no flack for coming out with her beliefs but when the Pastor stands up for Christ...it's wrong. Your choice is clearly your choice not anyone else's...it will be between you and the Almighty someday. Hope for yoursoul's sake...you're right.
But...what if you're wrong.

By the way.an ex devil worshiper, verge of homosexuality, deep into witchcraft 6 years ago...but saved by the Grace of God born again Christian wrote this.


Bob   April 23rd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

The Bible also condones polygamy (Kings David and Solomon among many others), permits genocide (remember what happened to the people of Noah’s time – God himself committed genocide) and upholds the institution of slavery.
The Bible reflects the cultural ideas of the tribal ancient Middle East. Those ideals may not be applicable to our time or our ideal of what we consider is moral.
Condemning homosexuality based on the ideals of ancient tribal Middle Eastern culture is a false line of reasoning. It implies that polygamy; genocide and slavery are therefore morally sound practices.


KathyMN   April 23rd, 2010 9:52 pm ET

Larry, I believe many super religius people, such as the pastor Bob, are spritually immature in that they have not gotten beyond the spoon-fed dogma of their particular religion. I hope some day Pastor Bob can open his heart to hear and feel the deeper truths spoken directly from Christ with no middle man. Ours is not to judge but to serve. Don't take the easy way–THINK–and listen to God's true voice in your heart! We won't always have the answers, but God does. Leave it to Him. Have FAITH.


Tim   April 23rd, 2010 9:52 pm ET

How can these people call themselves Christians when they are hating on other people because of who they did not chose to be. I am a Gay man and I grew up Christian and I hated it because of what they believe and how they portray my community. At the age of 19 I threw up my hands and said screw it because I was sick and tired of the attitude this institution has and still has. Why do I want to be apart of a "religion" when all they do is judge people? Who I am is NOT a choice. I don't care who you are and what you think, it's not. Why would I choose to be part of something that gets so much hatred and verbal abuse and protest, answer me that. I wouldn't chose to be part of that.

And if God is truly real, he's not going to judge me on who I love but how I treat other people.


len smith   April 23rd, 2010 9:52 pm ET

didn't the lord say you who have not sinned cast the first stone ,this paster is Judgeing other people , jesus came to save us all, why would he create homosexuality in the animal kingdom, Its a part of life.


Mike   April 23rd, 2010 9:53 pm ET

Jennifer, Knapp,

Can make any excuse for her life style choices, but bottom line are sins are forgiven as long as we continue to do the right thing. If we choose to continue to repeat the same sin we will lose that protection. I would not want to be in her place when judged for repeated same sin! Below is what the bible clearly states.

The Bible consistently tells us that homosexual activity is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). Romans 1:26-27 teaches specifically that homosexuality is a result of denying and disobeying God. When people continue in sin and unbelief, God “gives them over” to even more wicked and depraved sin in order to show them the futility and hopelessness of life apart from God. 1 Corinthians 6:9 proclaims that homosexual “offenders” will not inherit the kingdom of God.

God does not create a person with homosexual desires. The Bible tells us that people become homosexuals because of sin (Romans 1:24-27) and ultimately because of their own choice. A person may be born with a greater susceptibility to homosexuality, just as some people are born with a tendency to violence and other sins. That does not excuse the person’s choosing to sin by giving in to sinful desires. If a person is born with a greater susceptibility to anger/rage, does that make it right for him to give into those desires? Of course not! The same is true with homosexuality.


Sue Parzybok   April 23rd, 2010 9:53 pm ET

What is really bothering me about this conversation is that some people believe that their interpretation of the Bible and ethics is 'righter' than other peoples interpretation. My Mother always told me, "leave the judging to God." She never judged others but just lived the best life she could. My question is, "Why do the ministers who are equally human to Jennifer think their thoughts and words are more right?" They are judging and pretending to play God. They aren't God.


Charlotte   April 23rd, 2010 9:53 pm ET

The entire medical professiion should stop this about gays because studies have been made testing the uriine, every case show up missing that chromosome (if that isn't the right word) but it shows that all gay people lack that something, wihich indicates difference. A man in prison
when he gets out with go to what is his true desire, if likes females, thats where they go and if they like men, that's who they want.

Why would anyone want to choice such abuse . They do not have CHOICE!


tricia   April 23rd, 2010 9:54 pm ET

Hi Larry, just a quick comment that those who are against homosexuality are hippocrites esp. the priests. What about those little boys and young men who have been sexualluy assaulted by many priests. That is homosexuality. There is no commandment that mentions homosexuality. Who wrote the bible anyway? God does not discriminate.


Matt   April 23rd, 2010 9:54 pm ET

To say that God changed His mind is an abomination! Pastor Bob claims that God changes His mind on His law by using Acts 10 as an illustration to say that God has made all cleans things. God wasn't talking about food, He was talking about Gentiles for in a Jews mind (being Peter) it would make him ceremonially unclean to eat with a Gentile.

The issue here for Ms. Knapp isn't about being a Christian and having a relationship with God. The bible clearly states in the Old Testament and in the New Testament (Romans 1) that homosexuality is a sin...but so is adultery, stealing, cheating. If I have an addiction to drugs and I have a relationship with Jesus, but choose to keep drugs in my life, there can be no relationship, because there is no REPENTANCE!

Mrs. Knapp chooses to live in homosexuality and therefore there is no repentance. Her homosexuality is an idol...which makes it idolatry.

As far as Ted Haggard, well....why doesn't he just say, "Oh it's all just about a warm fuzzy feeling that we have...let's just sing "Kum Bay Ya."

I'm sick to my stomach from hearing this crap.


Terry   April 23rd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

God loves the sinner but hates the sin. Sin will not enter into the Kingdom of God. Read Romans 1:24-32.


Monita   April 23rd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

I agree with both Pastors and Jennifer. All sins wage the same. Her sin is no greater than adultry. What the pastors fail to speak about is forgiveness....There are consequences for practicing sin and there are consequences for isolated sin. Homosexuality is a sin as Pedafilia is a sin. Both of them are "unnatural" It is the misuse of our bodies....naturally we were created to unite as male and female and that is natural. A 30 year old man penatrating a 4 year old female is unnatural just as two 4 year olds having sex would be unnatural. Jennifer is still a christian because she chooses to love God but she has also chosen to practice something unnatural.


Jesse   April 23rd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

Of course you can be gay and be christian. You can be an adulterer or a killer and still be christian. Christianity is something you claim, not something you are. The bottom line is, people write their own rules when it comes to the vague religion of christianity. This is why we have catholics and protestants and amish and bapist, ect.

The bottom line is, christianity has no borders, those were thrown by the wayside long ago. It's simply a collection of sects that pick and choose from a translation of a translation in order to make the most sense of it in their own life. If you can't find a christian sect that agrees with homosexuality, start your own (people have been doing it for over 1800 years with christianity alone). Lesbyterian perhaps?


nss   April 23rd, 2010 9:56 pm ET

Why doesn't Jennifer just tell this pastor where to go already? She has taken way too long to finally get angry at him. To me, this pastor just epotomizes the judgmental attitude coming out of these religious institutions that turn people completely off from religion anyway.


Linda   April 23rd, 2010 9:56 pm ET

By her own admission, Jennifer, though knowledgeable and well spoken, is not a Biblical scholar. It would have been helpful to the debate, and her, to have a Biblical scholar that believes homosexuality is not a sin. Both ministers share the belief, though they approach it a little differently, that homosexuality is sin. There are credible scholars who view scripture and the contextual history thereof differently. I would like to hear from them as well!


LISA   April 23rd, 2010 9:58 pm ET

BAILEY


Susan   April 23rd, 2010 9:59 pm ET

ANITA,

No one chooses many vices and sins they find themselves trapped in, the , you saying that you are a lesbian but do not act on it means what?
Same as the Married Man who might have another fantasy about other women but does not act on it...

The point is if you let your sinful mind rule your heart more than listening to the voice of GOD then you are trapped wether it is in homosexuality, adultery, alcoholism,drug addiction etc.....

Jesus Christ means being Born Again, meaning you don't walk by the Flesh which is weak and sinful, but by the spirit which is Strong and right.

If GOD thought it was a great thing for 2 People of the Same Sex to be together he would of said something about it.
Like
For Lisa and Laura to come together and be happy in a One Woman Union forever..

Get Real....It is awful to see Homosexuality try to Pervert the Church, they have done it in everything else...It's sickening...


nss   April 23rd, 2010 9:59 pm ET

I've always believed that religion is for LESS INTELLIGENT people who don't want to be bothered with thinking and making decisions for themselves. This Pastor is the perfect poster-boy for that stereotype.


teresa   April 23rd, 2010 10:00 pm ET

The word "homesexuality" was subsituted from the word sodomites which was actually about men having sex with young boys for the purpose of procreation.. it actually has nothing to do with sexuality.


John   April 23rd, 2010 10:00 pm ET

Just one more statement, to all who are saying that they want to find God "My way" or talk about "My truth" remember in your quest to follow Christ, that the prerequisite for following him is the denial of yourself.
"Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. " Matthew 16:24
Faith is looking for God as HE is, not as WE want him to be.


charles   April 23rd, 2010 10:00 pm ET

What the pastor is trying to say is that everybody sins but when u are a christian you try to obey God . imagine the rules of the road red light means stop green light go if you pass a red light you know what happens either you crash, killed someone or get caught; same like sin if you sin either you hurt someone, yourself etc...but as a good citizen stop at red lights because thats the law, sometimes we run a red light and feel guilty but try to be careful next time; but others know is wrong and still do it anyway because they think they can get away with it


teresa   April 23rd, 2010 10:01 pm ET

One other point is that man wrote the bible only inspired by God but God wrote the Ten Commandments. Which one would you follow.


June   April 23rd, 2010 10:03 pm ET

Thank God for Pastor Botsford. He proclaimed the Word of God which is what we're all going to be judged by - regardless of what others think!


Jesse   April 23rd, 2010 10:04 pm ET

Deuteronomy says you shouldn't sleep with a man as you would sleep with a woman, because it's an abomination. Makes good sense. If we all turned homosexual, we wouldn't be promoting the creation, because without procreation, humanity's done for. A homosexual relationships carnal side is strictly for pleasure. There's no other purpose. There's a reason sex feels good. It encourages babies.


Kayla A   April 23rd, 2010 10:05 pm ET

Lying = Gossip = Murder = Adultery = Stealing = Homosexuality = Lust = Greed = Wrath = Deceit = Mistreatment of "the least of these" in society.....and so on = Sin

In God's Eyes all sin is the same. There is no hierarchy of sin.


Naira from NY   April 23rd, 2010 10:05 pm ET

i wish the believers did not impose their faith on others. believe in god and let Jen believe in god and let people's personal life stay personal...


MichelleP, Birmingham, AL   April 23rd, 2010 10:07 pm ET

If Jennifer Knapp readsand believes the Bilbe, what is her understanding of 1 Corinthians 6:9? It says "do you not know that the unrighteouswill not inherit the Kingdom of God. Do not be deceived, neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals.....will inherit the Kingdom of God"


Susan   April 23rd, 2010 10:07 pm ET

Amen JOHN...

Matthew 16:24
Faith is looking for God as HE is, not as WE want him to be.

Jesus did not tell anyone that they should continue to SIN while following him...He said SIN NO MORE and when we do fall short have a repentful heart and ask for forgiveness which he will give us...

Homosexuals do not want to repent, they want to hide behind the Lie of Satan..

*GOD created me t be GAY* this is a lie perpetuated by Satan....
GOD created Men and Women to come together and bring ORDER to the word with Family...

The World would NEVER SURVIVE with only 1 Sex in it or only homosexuals...GOD would never create a im-perfect world...

Homosexuals NEED Heterosexuals for there survival on this planet.


Nena Lewis   April 23rd, 2010 10:07 pm ET

Haggard's comments were very vague, he cannot still sit on the fence. We all sin and ask forgiveness daily, BUT to continue in sin (without any thought of changing) is not Godly sorrow that leads to repentance. God created man with "natural affection" (which is obvious with our human frame made to come together). Why do we continue to change God's word and plans for the human race and not twist it for our convenience? God have mercy on us.


we are everywhere   April 23rd, 2010 10:08 pm ET

Tricia..Do NOT confuse being gay with being a predator. This is one of those flippant remarks that shows ignorance.

Gay folks have loving intimate relationships with other GROWN gay people. It is safe and consensual.

This business with the catholic church is ABUSE. It would not matter the gender of the abuser or the child. Molestation is abuse and has NOTHING to do with being gay. The child can not consent. PERIOD.


Kayla A   April 23rd, 2010 10:09 pm ET

The disciples had to give up their way of life to follow Jesus.
Being a Christian means conforming to God's will.
It's not easy. There are things that I struggle with. But if I want to be true as a Christian, I have to choose everyday to deny myself and my urgings and conform to God's.

"If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. " Matthew 16:24

My heart goes out to everyone who is taking the journey. It's not easy, but for those who love God with all of our heart knows it's necessary.


Renee   April 23rd, 2010 10:10 pm ET

Why is it that when someone has an opinion that isn't liberal, it is automatically hate? Just because I don't agree with homosexuality, does not mean that I want to hurt them or have other people hurt them. It doesn't mean that I judge them if I do not agree with the way they have CHOSEN to live their lives. A sin is a sin, judging is as bad as being homosexual, lying is as bad as stealing, murder is no worse than any other sin. But, the truth is the truth. If I give you scripture and I am honest, that doesn't mean that I am committing some horrible act of hate against someone. Hate would be NOT be ling them the truth. I can find something in the Bible and change it or use it out of context to make it look like I am right in my thinking, but fact of the matter is, judgement will come from our heavenly Father, and I would not be doing my job as a Christian if I wasn't honest. There is a huge difference in believing there is a God and KNOWING GOD! You can not have a true heart for God and keep on sinning the same sin over and over, day after day.
Jennifer- I am truly heartbroke for you and over you. You were one of the first christian artists that I started listening to after CHOSING to live a life for Christ. I am truly saddened by the fact that the words of those songs mean something totally different to me now. I hope that you will one day listen closely to what God is trying to tell you and see the mistakes you are making (I pray that God will reveal my wrongs also, so that is not a judgement), and turn from this sin. If you were a raging alchoholic, murderer, thief, liar, adulterer, etc I would have the same prayer. You are very much loved and God will use this experience in his favor, just maybe not how you think he will. Search your soul, it could be shocking what he will reveal to you.


Lisa   April 23rd, 2010 10:12 pm ET

Praise God for a man of faith who is willing to speak TRUTH. Speak TRUTH according to the gospel of Christ. Speak TRUTH into a world who doesn't want to hear it. You are LIGHT shining in a truely dark world.
Jesus said it well John chapter 15 verse 18 " If they world hates you keep in mind that it hated me first. If you belong to the world, it would love you as it's own. NIV version
Satan is a liar and he has been lying for a very long time. If you doubt anything, actually pick up a Bible and read it, then you will have no question as to what is considered right or wrong.
Kudos to you Pastor, people are listening and are hearing.


Mike   April 23rd, 2010 10:15 pm ET

Jennifer Knapp,

Or others lie her should not take this sin or other sins lightly, they make excuses for their behavior, this is Satans world right now. what does everyone think the end of the world is about? We need to remember the account of Babylon? they felt like Ms Knapp felt about living life as their choice. Our babylon is coming soon and awaits on the horizon. If Ms Knapp is a true christian she nows better than making a mockery of gods written words and his guide to living a rightous life. Here are a few scriptures on homosexual behaivour alone and surley all have not been re written in correctly.

Mike


WA   April 23rd, 2010 10:16 pm ET

Nobody should be judging or condeming anyone the scriptures make that very clear. But the scriptures do make it clear that if we do not warn someone whom is in clear violation of what the scriptures call gross sin such as : fornication; drukeness, homosexulality, murder, idolatry we are guilty.

It makes me very sad to see the teaching of God's Son's being dragged in the dirt on the altar or free love, and acceptance for any sort of lifestyle to accomadate our consience. If you choose to be a habitual liar, thief or what have you, don't go and find or make up a church that will cater to your lifestlye. If its wrong its wrong.

In Noah's day only 8 people survived the flood, the rest of the people died in the flood. I'm sure people ridiculed Noah and said things such as "do you really think God is really going to destory this world and all of us for not entering the ark"? "God loves me too, I'm a good person and love my family". But yet everyone in the world at that time except Noah and his family survived. The bible says that things will happen in a similar way during this time. The majority of peolple will choose to be blind as they were then. Please do not be fooled by the free immoral attitude of this world that permeates our world.


Julia K   April 23rd, 2010 10:19 pm ET

How can one hate another because of love? Love has no boundaries... love and be loved people ...


maryln48   April 23rd, 2010 10:20 pm ET

I believe man wrote the bible and also interprets it. These pastors always try to appear without sin, but I know all these people that have made millions on interpreting Gods word are the biggest sinners. Quit judging people because when you sin, you try to hide it until you are found out. I think if these churches are trying to make our laws, need to be taxed. This guy tried to look smart and perfect but we can all see through him., he tried to justify his sins, but everyone eles isn't forgiven.
Now I know what Bill Maur tries to make us realize, religion just causes us to hate and judge everyone but ourselves.


Eddie   April 23rd, 2010 10:23 pm ET

No one can serve two masters; its either God or your sinful nature. When we are left to our sinful nature, the sin leads us to darkness. It's one thing to sin and repent (meaning to go from darkness to light) but it's another to sin and continue to do it. She cannot fully have a relationship if she continues down the broad path which leads to destruction and say you know God. He will say depart from Him because He never knew you. It's God's Will prevailing in our lives or we are just getting in the way.


Eddie   April 23rd, 2010 10:31 pm ET

Being a Christian is not a religion, it is being Christ-like and He was not a homosexual.


KnowThySelf   April 23rd, 2010 10:32 pm ET

Can someone explain to me how a book written by men hundreds of years after Jesus walked the earth is still used to tear people down?

Go after the child molesters, rapists, violent and people that are lacking common decency (usually with a little fish on their cars).

I love it when "christians" talk about judgement as they cast stones. Self-righteous hypocrites God knows you are rotten fruit. You can't pick and choose what you want to use the bible against.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 10:33 pm ET

After reading through these comments I see why there is a decrease in the followers of Christianity. To think that this country is 76% Christian is a pretty scary thought. All followers of all faiths live in a fantasy world created by themselves. It makes you all liars...why do you think there is no commandment against lying??? Don't confuse it with "false witnessing" better known as perjury. Take ten followers of any one religion and have them read the same page of their "word of their God" and in ten minutes they would be at war with each other over the interpretation.


sterling   April 23rd, 2010 10:37 pm ET

God loves us all, but just because he does dont take advantage of that fact. You cant pick and choose what you like or what fits your lifestyle when it comes to Gods Word The Bible. When you do that it is the same as driving a car, comming to a stop sign and ignoring it because you dont like the word, the color, or the fact it is in your way. When it comes to this subject which is sin, it had a starting point in your life the same as a drug addict, an alcoholic, or a smoker that cant put down the cigarette.
So to all Christians, be what God designed you to be and trust in Jesus to help you defeat sin whatever it is. A better starting point.


speak the truth...   April 23rd, 2010 10:37 pm ET

2 Timothy 4:2-4 (King James Version)

2Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine.

3For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;

4And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

its disgusting how the Word is twisted and used to justify a sinful lifestyle..satan came full force against the one who was speaking the truth... you cant live a habitual lifestyle of sin and live for God period! it just shows how this sinful world is waxing worse and worse everyday..

light cant live in darkness, but today the church is living as the world...


Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 10:39 pm ET

I"ll remain neutral when it comes to choosing a religion or a God. With as many Gods as have been created, when I die I have a good chance being picked up as a free agent by at least one of them.


Theresa   April 23rd, 2010 10:41 pm ET

Ok, being a Christian and being gay have everything to do with each other. You CAN be a Christian and struggle with homosexuality, but acting upon it is a sin, the bible says that flat out. So if you blatantly accept being homosexual as being your lifestyle, you can call yourself a Christian, but every sin takes you away from God (the bible also says flat-out) and if your lifestyle is sinful, God isn't a part of your life. He doesn't want a heart that's lukewarm, He says in the bible He'd rather have a cold heart than a lukewarm one, rather have someone who chooses wrong than someone who's indifferent. And really, the fact that it's 2010 has nothing to do with what's okay and what's not. Think about what this country was founded upon, our laws are basically directly out of the bible, no murder, no stealing, no cheating. Basic human conscience of right and wrong exists in all of us and always will, so there will always be right and wrong. If you follow God, and if you believe the bible, homosexuality is wrong.


Sue   April 23rd, 2010 10:48 pm ET

Jennifer Knapp says she is a "gay Christian" but I didn't hear her give a Biblical example of a "gay Christian." She has come up with her own version of "Christianity." I wonder if she believes the Bible endorses sex outside of marriage. Ever known a homosexual that wasn't sexually active? Doesn't exist.


Polly   April 23rd, 2010 10:54 pm ET

When you are a Christian you are married to Christ because the bible said that we, as Christians, are the brides of Christ. When you are married to someone you must remain faithful. Imagine you are married to someone, and you cheat on them. They know, and forgive because they have an unconditional love, but they are not going to keep on forgiving you if you continue to cheat on them. They will end up divorcing you. That is like our relationship with god. When you go against what he says over and over, and you deliberately make the decision to keep on sinning the same way (and yes she is she knows somewhere deep inside of her it's wrong), and soon you will no longer be one of his children. If you continue to do this you will not go to heaven you just can't. I hope you get your life right soon.

-Polly


Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 10:56 pm ET

@Theresa

How the Yankee of a higher latitude with the awesome attitude? You going to bust a few hockey pucks tonight? I left you some valuable info on another blog..hope you found it...


Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 10:58 pm ET

@Sue

There are over 35,000 choices of Christian groups..which one are you not biased of?


Rob Yost   April 23rd, 2010 11:02 pm ET

I am a Christian man. There is absolutely nothing that is more important to me than my faith. I am also a gay man. I do not believe loving God, and loving a person of the same sex have to be mutually exclusive. I know that there is nothing that can seperate me from the love of God. There were years that I turned my back on God. I do not ever remember a time when I did not have gender dysphoria to some degree. I did not choose to be gay in early childhood, but I believe I was. I struggled for many years to accept my sexuality, and much of that was the inability to reconcile who I was with my religious teachings. Fortunately, into my life came someone who shared with me, that though a sinner i am, God's grace was sufficient for even me. If the church would love people, instead of condemning them, the battle for souls might be more easily won. I appreciate Ms Knapp's honesty. Thank you to Mr. Haggard as well. Mr. King thank you for your years of entertaining and informative telivision.


Eddie   April 23rd, 2010 11:03 pm ET

That was the diety of Christ which did those miracles and sorry we don't have those luxuries but He was the example to live by and hold on to.

This is not between me and you...it's a waste of time cuz you think it's a joke. For us, it's our God who's being dragged around. I'll pray for you...


Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 11:09 pm ET

@Eddie

With everybody grabbing onto him no wonder he was dragged down..He should have been in drag the day he was crucified and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Thanks for your prayers, I'll go over and put a quarter in the jukebox..what do you want to hear?


gerald Jolly   April 23rd, 2010 11:10 pm ET

@ Cajazz.

I hope, me too.

Good one.

Hope you are well. Semper Fi.


JG   April 23rd, 2010 11:12 pm ET

Romans 1:18-32 check out the entire text.
"For the wrath of God is revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who suppress the truth in unrighteousness...God also gave them up to uncleanness, in the lusts of their hearts, to dishonor their bodies among themselves...God gave them up to vile passions...God gave them over to a debased mind...who, knowing the righteous judgement of God, that those who practice such things are deserving of death, no only do the same but also approve of those who practice them."

Not only are the sins listed in this scripture deserving of death but those who approve of them. God's wrath will be revealed as He speaks in the scriptures. To be a Christian you must turn form these sinful lifestyles to a love relationship with our Saviour. Do we all fail? Of course, but we must daily die to ourselves and choose to allow Christ to live through us. When you truly Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength...these sins will no longer rule your life; HE will!


bpdsTallis   April 23rd, 2010 11:13 pm ET

I respect Jennifer Knapp very much. She asked herself tough questions. I respectfully disagree with those who claim that homosexuality is a sin. I believe in any family there will be moments when we cannot agree. The family of Christ is no different. If that were not so there wouldn't be so many diverse denominations.

I believe that if I am literal and take the word of God, which I respect and treasure, letter by letter according to the Old Testament, I would be still under many rituals that rites that we do not practice as far as what I eat, where I worship, and who I marry or associate with, and more. If the Apostle Paul is my authority then as a woman I should remain silent in the church, own slaves, and it would better to never marry. Paul wrote many things that I support and accept, but I do so after reading, researching, praying and thinking. Not just blindly accepting. I do believe in the authority of the words of Christ to the letter. So why didn't He speak to this so called "abomination"? There are too many questions for me to assume that I have all the answer. This isn't a stumbling block to me. This doesn't limit my view of God but instead opens it up so that He can be the One to reveal Himself to me through his Word, prayer, the Community of Christ, and experiences.

I am grateful to Ms. Knapp for being honest. For revealing her heart in this before someone bought her new cd. That is intergrity. That takes courage. For being public about her stand when it is so desperately difficult to do that. For being compassionate and loving like Christ. As her family in Christ, I am supporting her.

Praying along side you, Jennifer. God bless and keep you, my friend. Peace to you and yours in this challenging time.


Atheist007   April 23rd, 2010 11:15 pm ET

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.


Anthony SD,CA   April 23rd, 2010 11:15 pm ET

This world has been given over to it's debased mind. We as humanity can not understand God's word because they are spiritually discerned. Only through Him does He reveal His word. I'm sorry that Jennifer has chosen this lifestyle but I know that God love's her no matter what!! However, she can not choose to live this lifestyle and say that she is a follower of Christ (Christian). No Christian should hate anyone yet alone condemn Jennifer. That is not our place. Our sole responsibility is to share the gospel of Christ. This includes and is not limited to calling the world to repentence; a repentence to what God has called sin and unrighteousness not us. I do not judge you but one day all of man will stand before God and answer for our descisions. Your descision is your descision but don't claim that we as Christians hate because we share the gospel of Christ. I only pray that she realizes that her sexual orientation choice is not of God and the counsel she is seeking is deceiving her. Pastor Botsford at no time judged her but tried to show that her choice is not biblically sound. God's word is what a Christian lives by. "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness . . . " Jennifer I do not judge you but I pray that you see that your choice does not coincide with scripture.


Ronald   April 23rd, 2010 11:16 pm ET

I realize that I misspoke and would like to amend what I said, Satan deceives the whole world EXCEPT GOD'S PEOPLE. Christ stated that "It is written: man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceeds out of the mouth of God." (KJV)
1 Corinthians 6:9-10: Do you know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders will inherit the kingdom of God.(NIV)
Mankind will not learn the lessons of disobeying God. God use Israel as example: When they obeyed God all was well. Whenever they disobeyed God they were sent into slavery for many years. Our nation, is disobeying God and will reap the fate as ancient Israel. Forget about religious leaders and pastors. Buy an english bible and study it day and night and God will reveal the truth. The truth is hidded from those who do not wish to obey God. Only those who truly want to live their lives according to the bible will please God. Hurry before its to late. Punishment is coming on the whole world. A time of trouble that has never been since the history of the world. You can be spared if you act soon. Don't wait until the last minute. Repentance (change) takes time.


Dodie   April 23rd, 2010 11:16 pm ET

Everyone is basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend


princess   April 23rd, 2010 11:17 pm ET

I am not surprised that people living in ways contrary to the bible will still confess publicly to be 'christians' in America. Very soon pedophiles too will come out and justify that they do not choose to be one but they are made that way therefore they are 'christians' If you are looking for real and true christianity go to Africa or Asia.


Dodie   April 23rd, 2010 11:17 pm ET

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do.

When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours


Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 11:17 pm ET

Everybody likes Mickey Mouse... let's put a crown of thorns on his head, crucify him on a block of cheese and we'll all sing praises to him and we'll all be one in the same...rats..That will never work.. Someone would make him look mousy...or call him a Cockroach...and say he made cheddar out of swiss...Holy cats...


mela   April 23rd, 2010 11:18 pm ET

I was in a homosexual relationship for a number of years and was saved by the grace of God. I left that lifestyle, that I had learned did not please the Lord, and found my husband of nearly 8 years. I have had 3 beautiful children and one tiny angel as a result of it. God also said that we must hate sin as he does, not the sinner. We love you all, regardless of your sexuality but the sin as all sins must be hated and not embraced. God only corrects those he loves and as for us, we are to do the same. The way our parents are to teach us the things of the Lord, we are instructed to do the same to the world and share his Teachings through a loving spirit. How you take the lessons he offers to you is merely up to you. Only God Judges but we are to teach. Please do not confuse the two for all of you all are greatly loved.


Eddie   April 23rd, 2010 11:19 pm ET

AMAZING GRACE...thanks & God Bless...


Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 11:21 pm ET

Gerald Jolly

Semper Fi my friend...It there ever was a blog to SimpIy Forget It...This one would be KING...hallelujah !!!


Dodie   April 23rd, 2010 11:23 pm ET

Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?

Then he is not omnipotent.

Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent.

Is he both able and willing?

Then why have evil?

Is he neither able nor willing?

Then why call him God?


Tom   April 23rd, 2010 11:23 pm ET

If it is ok for a person to do whatever they feel like doing Jesus wouldn't have had to come and die for our sins. If you believe in God and you have faith that He is who He is and his words are true then you will also ask him to lead and guide you through this life. Hosea 4:12 my people are destroyed from lack of knowledge. "
Pro 3:7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord and shun evil. The world tells us that this is modern days and the Bible is a book of fairy tales. Eat drink and be merry for tommorow you may die. God says, Pro 3:5 Trust in the Lord with all your heart and lean not on your own understanding; Pro 3:6 in all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make your paths straight. Pro 3:7 Do not be wise in your own eyes; fear the Lord and shun evil. Pro 3:8 This will bring health to your body and nourishment to your bones. Jennifer, God bless you and strengthen you and give you the courage to trust Him even if doesn't make sense or feel right.


Dave   April 23rd, 2010 11:30 pm ET

Jennifer~

Just born yourself again like all the rest of these fanatic crazies! What a JOKE!
Belive in god, do right to others and you will be fine, even if you are gay! How long ago was the bible written? How uncompared is life now to then? Come on people. Im not gay but I just cant stand the born agains...MOST OF THEM ARE HIPOCRYTES....


Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 11:32 pm ET

If he knew everything I would do before I was born or at the time of my birth...what kind of a sense of humor does he have?

If he knew all, why doesn't he institute an ounce of prevention and sterilize a few of his bad eggs?

If he was perfect..why does he make kids with birth defects?

If he sees all why didn't he see WWII coming?

If he knows all why didn't he know mosquito's transmit malaria?


Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 11:35 pm ET

If he made all...what is the big joke with eathquakes?

If he wrote the bible...no I won't go there..he didn't know English then..

He is going to have to answer for a lot when we meet face to face... .


Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 11:37 pm ET

You wondering about who the HE is I speak of..why it's George W. Bush ...God had nothing to do with his creation...


Atheist007   April 23rd, 2010 11:39 pm ET

And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that it would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt its existence


susan   April 23rd, 2010 11:44 pm ET

larry, you need to give everybody equal time, but you dont. you kept interrupting pastor botsford, but you let the other two talk and talk and talk. pastor botsford was not judging jennifer, he was just telling her what the Bible says. and my opinion is that is you dont believe the Bible then you dont believe in God. i felt sorry for pastor botsford, larry, because you need to be the leader of the discussion and keep your opinion to yourself. reading some of the comments i can understand why out country is in the shape it is in. i also agree with some of the comments that say God loves the sinner but he hates their sin. its like pastor botsford was not allowed to state his opinion but the other two could say all they wanted to. (notice i am not calling ted pastor) I cannot believe people actually sit under his messages.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 11:45 pm ET

@EDDIE

I saw that movie....true story, amazing! Be good to your neighbors...


Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 11:47 pm ET

I see clean undies...hmmm


Atheist007   April 23rd, 2010 11:53 pm ET

I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence

No! They are stuck to the ceiling........


Atheist007   April 23rd, 2010 11:58 pm ET

The difference between philosophy and religion....
Philosophy is questions that may never be answered.
Religion is answers that may never be questioned.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 12:02 am ET

Yes, God loves us all, but He favors "fruits of the spirit" over "religious nuts!"


Atheist007   April 24th, 2010 12:06 am ET

We must question the pure logic in the story of having an all knowing and powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes


Atheist007   April 24th, 2010 12:09 am ET

The fact that a believer is happier than a heathen is no more to the point than the fact that a sober man is happier than a stoned one


Cherie Bachman   April 24th, 2010 12:17 am ET

You can be gay and Christian. I thank Jennifer Knapp for being honest and pray she continues to bless the world with her faith and music. God made everyone and loves everyone of His children.


Shar   April 24th, 2010 12:20 am ET

Who are we to judge?


Fredi   April 24th, 2010 12:23 am ET

you Know, Why? God is love and merciful, I will pray for her, and that God will have mercy on her, I know I am not perfect, but I do my best to be a God servant. What she just did Is not cool, but it is no in my place to judge all though, I kinda am but mainly holding her accountable for her actions. n by the way you can't accept something that God does not allow, I will still love her with God's love, but I will not approve.


Atheist007   April 24th, 2010 12:23 am ET

The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike


Barbara   April 24th, 2010 12:30 am ET

Give up Religion. It can't save you! Choose Spirituality instead which merely states teach only love.

Love & Light to you all.


Brian   April 24th, 2010 12:31 am ET

I cannot believe, in this day and age, that a "pastor" would state that his "heart breaks for her". My god, what would Jesus do? How can love for another ever be wrong???


ken   April 24th, 2010 12:32 am ET

what is the root cause?


rickey   April 24th, 2010 12:32 am ET

Larry what if the world began with two woman would you be here. Would any one be here. It takes a man and a woman to reproduce.


moncottage   April 24th, 2010 12:32 am ET

It saddens me to see such ignorance in the so called "Christian World". I see such judgment and condemnation. Jesus was not about all that. He was "all accepting" There is soooo much ignorance born of the "written word" – please people, we were given a brain to think with, (not to be brainwashed), the the bible is a compilation of stories written by men in a different time to fit the needs of the times. You can not take it literally, if you do, you are a fool. "He who has not sinned, be the first to cast the first stone" What the hell are you doing then?? You are judging her to be a sinner!! For her sexuality. You are all so F.......d up!1 and you do not even have a clue!!


Michael Canning   April 24th, 2010 12:34 am ET

"In God's family,there are no outsiders.All are insiders.Black & White,Rich & Poor,Gay & Straight,Jew & Arab,Palestinian & Israeli,Roman Catholic & Protestant,Serb & Albanian, Hutu & Tutsi, Muslim & Christian,Pakistani & Hindu. All belong"-Arb Desmond Tutu

The Christianity that I believe in is inclusive just as the quote above illustrates. The Jesus I know loves people and wishes them to be part of his community. If orientation was a problem to him why isn't it mentioned? All of us are God's children ... we as God's children have no right to exclude anybody, period. God is the one and God's word is not finished yet ... God is still speaking beyond the written word ... are we listening or do we have the phone off the hook.


Karen Sochar   April 24th, 2010 12:35 am ET

Divine Writings according to Bob???? Who gave what to whom??? These are all imaginary and fictional. There is NO one who has any proof of a "GOD" so NO ONE HAS THE RIGHT TO JUDGE ANYONE'S SEXUAL PREFERENCE!!!!


Kinsey   April 24th, 2010 12:36 am ET

Jennifer is living a lie- Bob hit the nail on the head. God said it's wrong- so it's wrong. You cannot pick and choose what you want out of God's word- Sin is Sin. That is why we needed a Savior- we cannot save ourselves! He is a GOOD God- he does not do things or say "NO" just becuase he's God and he likes to punish his children- he says "NO" or "that's wrong, stay away from it" to PROTECT us- Homosexuality is a total and complete perversion of God's natural design. ..So is sex out side of marriage and immorality in any way.
All have sinned and fall short of the glory of God- forgiveness is available, but we cannot live in our 'sin' once we have come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ's death on the cross for our sin.

Scripture is very clear- Homosexuality greives the heart of God.


Jean Miller   April 24th, 2010 12:37 am ET

God has a Divine Supreme plan, and that is for all his children are to join Him in Eternity...and the way we get there is to not exclude anyone. That is the Loving God/Christ that I know and dwells in my heart.

When my 11yr.old grandchild shared w/me that he wasn't attracted to the girls, and that he "really" like boys. That it was a secret deep inside, my response was "You are perfect" and "God doesn't make mistakes"

Jennifer is not a sinner because of who she was born to be. She is a beautiful truth Loving good person. Jennifer, you are perfect.


Lily   April 24th, 2010 12:38 am ET

its not hate, its in the word. she is being mislead by the lies of the enemy. homosexual and christian should not be used in the same sentence, and this is an opinion not judgement beause God will b the judge. she is an embarassement to know the word and twist it. but remember ppl the devil knows the word just to manipulate it. we can pray for freedom of that demon lieing to her. so sad.


Karen Sochar   April 24th, 2010 12:39 am ET

leave all the sinners to their own sins and we'll all be happier! If I don't believe I'm sinning, then there is NO sin! How can the majority of people in America believe in fairytales???? The BIBLE is nothing more than a fairytale. It was not handed down from the heavens. Maybe it was delivered from hell! NO one knows as it's all made up stories, parables FICTION = NOT REAL!!! How crazy can the public be??? Believe in what you wish but don't make your belief's dictate MY or anyone else's life!!!
amen!!!


Lisa   April 24th, 2010 12:40 am ET

I find it very amusing that any follower of the Church has the nerve to say anything negative about Jennifer given the fact that such a large percentage of Priests have been sexually abusing children. How about what is "right" in those cases? Such hypocrites.


Valerie Samba   April 24th, 2010 12:42 am ET

We cannot keep making excuses. Gods word is law He created man and woman not man and man. Therefore we need to potray that respect and love. Let him be the judge. As it stands he created man and woman. He who disagres let him come forth.


Tomeka   April 24th, 2010 12:43 am ET

I never watch lking but to night I felt a quicken in my spirit to stop and listen. As a believer of the faith without judgeing the young lady I need forherto know that she is indeed in sin and not only that the enemy has truly deceived her. We all fall short and we all struggle with sin but its a difference when you are saying the sin is right. I pray that this struggle of the flesh can be faced. We are truly in the last days and many may be misguided if they listen to lies. Do not be conformed to the world but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind. Love your sister in christ.


moncottage   April 24th, 2010 12:43 am ET

Good for you Jean Miller!! I applaud your open mind and christian like attitude. You are a TRUE disciple of Jesus!!


Brian Skinner   April 24th, 2010 12:46 am ET

Congrats to Jennifer for standing up for herself. Shame on all these so called "men of God" that pass judgement on her.
I never heard of Jennifer Knapp before but find her music heartfelt, warm and honest.
As a hetrosexual man I comend Jennifer for standing up for herself.
Pastor Bob's argument is disingenous at best.


Becky Blossom   April 24th, 2010 12:47 am ET

The problem here is if Jen doesn't agree homosexuality is sin, then Jen won't see it as wrong, so you won't be able to reason with her on common ground. If she does agree it's wrong, then the problem is, when we consciously KNOW we're sinning, if we are living for God we consciously try to stop. When you keep doing the sin, then you're really not trying to live for God, you're continuing in the sin that you KNOW you should be trying to stop.


Sabrina   April 24th, 2010 12:49 am ET

FIRST OF ALL, MOST PEOPLE HAVE IT WRONG. WHAT IS A CHRISTIAN? A CHRISTIAN IS A PERSON WHO BELIEVES THAT JESUS CHRIST DIED AND ROSE AGAIN AND HAS TAKEN SIN AWAY FROM THEM. AND BECAUSE THEY HAVE FAITH IN HIM HE MAKES THEM RIGHTEOUS (RIGHT STANDING BEFORE GOD) AND JUSTIFIES THEM FROM ALL THINGS (JUSTIFIES MEANS THEY ARE NOT GUILTY OF A NYTHING!) AND THEY ARE NOT UNDER SIN ANYMORE, BUT UNDER GRACE. IF YOU ARE UNDER GRACE, YOU CANNOT SIN, BECAUSE YOU ARE NOT UNDER THE LAW ANYMORE. SO CAN YOU STILL SIN, YES, BUT IT WILL NEVER BE COUNTED AS SIN TO YOU AGAIN. YOU WILL ALWAYS BE RIGHTEOUS BEFORE GOD, AND THIS IS THE MAIN THING PEOPLE DON'T UDNERSTAND. SIN IS SIN, BUT JESUS HAS REMOVED IT FROM US AND IT WILL NEVER SEPAREATE US FROM GOD AGAIN. WE ARE SAVED BY GRACE, THRU FAITH, NOT OF WORKS (BAD OR GOOD) THAT ANY MAN SHOULD BOAST. WHAT DOES GOD DO WHEN WE DO 'WRONG" NOW, AS A LOVING FATHER, HE WORKS WITH US AND DEALS WITH US AND GIVES US HIS DESIRES TO BE WORKED OUT IN OUR LIVES, BUT IF IT TAKES US FOREVER TO GET THERE, WE ARE STILL HIS SONS AND DAUGHTERS THROUGH FAITH ALONE IN JESUS CHRIST. THAT IS HOW CHRISTIANS ARE TO REMEMBER THAT WE ARE NO BETTER THAN ANYABODY ELSE, SAVE THE BLOOD OF JESUS CHRIST!


Lily   April 24th, 2010 12:49 am ET

using the word christian is a label it should b a life style so to look at priest and say look at what they do and they r christians is retarded. anyone can say they r a dr or pilot but if u cant do it, if u cant b it then its just a name. those priests will get theres but remember vengance is the Lords and the devil has those who call themselves christian to give bad images to others. jesus loves her but not her sin. and the Bible is not a fairy tale cuz my life is testimony of the God i serve. trust me Jeniffer sooner or later will get tired of defending herself and end up lost which is what the devil intended.


harold kameya   April 24th, 2010 12:50 am ET

Scholars in colleges and universities have studied the intricacies, the wonders and the mysteries of human sexuality over many, many decades.  There is still much more to learn.  I feel that parts of the Bible reflect the general cultural attitudes that existed 2,000 years ago, which included beliefs that the world was flat, unequal attitudes about women, slavery, homophobia, etc.

I urge people to reconcile their religious beliefs with the reality that people do not choose their sexual orientation.  


Eric   April 24th, 2010 12:51 am ET

As dad to two gay boys I feel qualified to speak on this. All are sinners, love the sinner, whatever the sin. Let God convict the sinner.


Gloria   April 24th, 2010 12:54 am ET

PASTOR BOB, THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR STANDING FIRM ON THE WORD OF GOD & NOT DISGRACING JESUS CHRIST. YOU WERE NOT VAGUE & AT ALL & DESPITE OPPOSITION YOU MIGHT HAVE FACED YOU STOOD FIRM ON THE WORD OF GOD & DID NOT COWER OR SUGAR COAT JUST TO PLEASE "PEOPLE & NOT OFFEND". THANK YOU FOR PUTTING JESUS CHRIST FIRST!! GOD BLESS YOU & KEEP YOU. JENNIFER IS DEFINITELY LOST & IS CLEARLY IN DENIAL!! BUT THAT IS WHAT THE ENEMY DOES "BLINDS THOSE GONE ASTRAY"


Terry Thomas   April 24th, 2010 12:56 am ET

Hi Larry,

The debate is frusterating to watch. It has many assumptions that need to be challenged. First, each is trying to use the Bible as THE AUTHORITY. We need to go back into history and see when the Bible was created and why. Many Christians, if we use that term, or better yet, disciples of Jesus Christ and following teaching of his that were passed down to them, never had this Bible. Many of them had an entirely different view of authority. Many had a view that did not include following external "sacred writing," but a life in the Spirit. That was the idea, even in much of the New Testament.

Much of the New Testament was never intended to passed down as some kind of authority that would go through two millenium.

Jennifer is wrong when she tries to get into the Greek interpretation thing, and she needs to move out of that arena and above it.

I myself an a PHD in traditional theology who has followed a journey of faith. I once was in the authority of Scripture thing. Each religion has their own. I suggest we all attempt to get above our Scripture. Put them in their historical place, and move beyond and above.

If we are an evolving and developing race of people, and who can deny this, why would we not have disciplies in through history that take us into arenas of understanding that the Bible writers were not aware of.

We get answers only to questions we ask. These question they the writers at that time were not asking.

What if wonderful contemporary pscyhoglists and biologists have understanding of life that leads to God that goes beyond these sacred writings?

So my two comments: One, we can recognize that there were many, many valid believers in the life of Jesus and followed him as a discipled in the early history who were not followers of the Bible?

Two, through history, as we as good people have been forging forward, we can understand things like sexuality, family and other things that supercede?

Lastly, to make this point, each interviewee tonight seems to buy into the idea that we are all sinners. I am repulsed. How does this keep the masses down into guilt? The one pastor suggests Jesus is the substitute for us to pay for our sin. The other, that we are developing and getting better, even though sinners. Both buy into an idea that was not completely prevelant until at least the Fourth Century in the church.

If we go to the Bible, the first page of both Hebrew Bible and Christian Bible states that all that God created was good. Sure, the story goes on how we messed up. I have more writings along these lines coming along later to be published. Isn't the idea, even from the writing about Jesus, that God is good? If we are his children, or if they won't accept we are his children, but his creatures, how can we not be good, too? This is an addendum, but i am sorry to say you have a discussion going on the wrong playing field for this topic.

I myself had had to to come to accept the gay people with as much love as I have for myself or anyone else. They have their path, and if I read the New Testament in terms of Jesus as Lord, it seems he is quick to accept, slow to condemn, and eager to receive all people. This is not my background and has taken a painful walk of reorientation mentally to receive. But I am open.

But it die not come naturally or easily.

On his lips it is clear that the gospel writers make a clear point, he who condemns is condemned. He who judged will be judged. I know those with a certain background can probalby not just change their minds in a flash, but if they are open, truly love God, and truly want to love their neighbor as the New Testament teaches, they will open themselves to a new path of enlightened faith.

Thank you, Larry, you do a kind a good service of compassion night after night.

Terry


moncottage   April 24th, 2010 12:57 am ET

Jennifer, you are a brave and inspirational girl. Thank you for sharing your strength and core being with the world. I am sorry if you were judged by people. None of us have the place to judge you or anyone else.

The message Jesus presented to the world was LOVE AND ACCEPTANCE of others. You to me, exemplify that example, in your words and actions. I am sorry so many confuse the so called "written word" with TRUTH. They are truly ignorant of a loving spiritual path that Jesus tried to teach to his followers. I wish you well. Good luck. You are up against a strong, and ignorant group, who can not surrender, or else they die. And that of course, is the ultimate fear!!


Paula   April 24th, 2010 12:57 am ET

In the beinging God created Adam and Eve to develop his nation. Procreation was then devloped so that the nation can be born. If procreation can only occur between a man and a woman, the presidence had been set by Jesus that a man and woman should become one to procreate and bring forth a nation. not a woman and a woman and not a man and a man. If this woman wants to have a child she cannot because she has not chosen the path that Jesus set forth in order for her to do so, thus creating a sin against Jesus and his creation.


Robert   April 24th, 2010 12:59 am ET

You know what, forget about any ones opinion, forget about what is written in the Bible. Look at how the Universe is made up. What does it take to create human life? It takes an egg, and a sperm. Two men can not create human life, neither can two women create human life. If everyone was homosexual, life would CEASE to exist! Explain how the human race could continue to exist if homosexuality was truly a naturally occurring phenomenon. If it were a baseball game, you would have a pitcher throwing a bat to the hitter, who in turn would hit the hurtling bat, with a bat, sending the bat into play, with one of the fielders catching the flying bat, with a bat! The whole idea of it is so nonsensical, that any explanation of this type of lifestyle is absurd! The reason the homo vs. hetero debate rages on, is because you can not reason with insanity! Forget about it being a Sin, or not being a Sin, the idea of a man being with another man, or a woman being with another woman is completely, and wholly a choice made by those individuals. What it is NOT, is a natural way the Universe exists. To disagree with that type of lifestyle doesn't mean that you are judging it, it just means that you disagree with it!


William   April 24th, 2010 1:00 am ET

I think you can be a christian and be gay. The challenge is Christ has come to recreate in us the image of God that was changed when the original created image was affected by what we call sin from the Father of humanity who was Adam. That is why we believe Jesus who is called the second Adam had to be born without sperm of a male because He/Jesus has come to undo what the first Adam did who also was not born from the sperm of a human. When we talk about homosexuality, I believe you can be born homosexual just as you can be born heterosexual but you do not have the right to live/travel a path in a contradiction of the scripture. Yes you can be a gay/lesbian christian but you are not living/practicing the discpline of the scripture. Note Jesus Christ who is God with skin on, came to repair the original image pre/sin/fall of Adam . So when we become christian we are saying that we will allow the power or discipline scripture to control us whether it is a choice or not we bring ourselves under the submission to the scripture. The original order was male and female for both procreation and recreation. God does love us all and His grace covers us all but we cannot disregard the boundaries and limit the liberties with improper interpretation. Here is my bottom line Christ has come to return our response and behavior and to Him/God before sin entered the world.


Kinsey   April 24th, 2010 1:01 am ET

If there is NO absolute TRUTH, than murder is not wrong... and neither is child abuse- to the "murderer" or the "abuser" it's truth- it's 'okay' to them.. does it make it right?? Who draws the line?
By what moral compass do we live by?
IN the Beginning- GOD created the heavens and the earth... he also said in 1 Corinthians 6:9, homosexuals will NOT be permitted into the Kingdom of God-
Argue all you want, but Truth is Truth.. God is God.

Jesus said "If you love me, you will obey me" John 14:15

Sorry Jen, the only condemnation you are feeling is from God- don't shoot the messenger.


Sean   April 24th, 2010 1:04 am ET

The whole thing is no one wants to call sin what it is, how many of the people who are trying to justify the gay lifestyle read the Bible. There's no mincing of words throughout the Bible that homosexualty is a sin.
Jennifer tries to say everyone has sin, which is true, but God wants us to repent of our sins daily and if you are living the homosexual lifestyle, you are not repenting of it, so you obviously don't believe it's a sin and are picking and choosing to believe whatever fits what you want to believe in the Bible. If you don't believe in the Bible then you can do whatever you want because there are no standards without it.
Jennifer can believe whatever she wants, but she should read Matthew 18:7 if she plans to be a "minister" in music


Jas   April 24th, 2010 1:07 am ET

I heard that Jennifer was gay back when her greatest hits cd came out and i was told to keep it quiet it dint bother me at all and am proud that she did so that other Christians like her self can not be ashamed of what they are and I remeber as a child the Sunday School song Red yellow blcak and white there precious in his site the i only caught the end of t he interview but still i support Knapp more now then ever b4 when i first came to Christ that was the First cd i bought was hers and it helped me a lot spiritually for any one saying that she is a sinner we all are and only by the blood we are saved .all this crap about people being outed has turned me away from going to a physical church and so ya one finger pointed out is four pointed back


MsNomerNAzona   April 24th, 2010 1:10 am ET

I hate shows like this. I hate the quoting of the bible to support hatred and oppression. For God's sake people check the translations of the bible....the bible was written in an ancient language and interpreted with slants towards social and political uses.

The fact that 'coming out' is news is disgusting to me. Why should anyone have to "come out' if they were allowed to be who they were born to be to begin with. God has skills and god did not write the bible; people wrote the bible.

The texts of the bible were chosen and assembled by the Catholic Church. Do your research you pseudo Christians......Oh I hate shows like this........


Jas   April 24th, 2010 1:20 am ET

Gay or Straight how can that effect our relation ship with Christ it cant wow to the guy that said he is throwing away his Jennifer Knapp stuff then said Love the Sinner Hate the sin is a Hypocrite and needs to realize what he just said i cant wait for her next cd to come out cuze i will buy it with pride,also do we talk about Amy Grant and Vince Gill at Marriage Seminars for Faithfulness no the whole gay/lesbian thing has gotten out of hand and we need to love every one as Christ does


Smith in Oregon   April 24th, 2010 1:25 am ET

I imagine the Republican White Supremacist Bible Thumping purists are busy now coordinating Jennifer Knapp record and CD burnings as they did previously with the Harry Potter Books.


Jas   April 24th, 2010 1:29 am ET

'smith in oregon" so true so sad though


Horsegirl   April 24th, 2010 1:33 am ET

I grew up listening to Jennifer Knapp since I was a kid. I am quit shocked about this.😦 I believe homosexuality is part of sexual immortality.

Even though she's a lesbian does not necessarily mean I'm gonna stop listening to her songs, but I am going to pray that she sees the light concerning this situation.


Horsegirl   April 24th, 2010 1:35 am ET

I also believe her salvation may be at stake.


saul2paul   April 24th, 2010 1:35 am ET

Maranatha! Even so come quickly Lord Jesus!


yahkins   April 24th, 2010 1:41 am ET

Larry,
Your question of nature verses nurture is to the point.....a reasonable response is yes to both. Some choose, some are born by nature homosexual. There is evidence for both scenarios in society. The question however is not "why would God condemn those born this way?"... for all mankind was born with a sinful and rebellious nature because of our first parents choice; and this segways to the beauty of the good news of God. Christ is called the second Adam because He lived a life of obedience so that those who desire God can receive a new nature...St. Peter called it the Divine nature and power of God that we're born into. By Adam's disobedience we're born into sin and death because of his actions. By Christ's perfect life of obedience, we can receive eternal life and a new nature because of His actions and not ours! Anyone born of God has a new nature or heart that desires to live by God's standards and not ones own. We of the body of Christ have the right to judge within the church if a person acknowledges God's standard over their lives or not, we do not have the right to judge outside the church for that is God's job in the end (1 Cor 5). We have been given the ability to choose or deside, take for example those who choose to go on a hunger strike til death. 1 John clarifies that those born in the new nature don't practice a lifestyle of sin, "they cannot, for God's seed of the new nature remains in them". Romans 1 speaks of the sin of homosexuality as evidence not of the worst kind of sin, but as evidence to show clearly that our nature in Adam is not right...but Christ has set things right and offers His nature and eternal life to those who but believe and confess they have been living by their own standard and not God's. "If any would follow Me let them deny themselves daily, pick up their cross or burden and follow Me...with men it is impossible, BUT WITH GOD ALL THINGS ARE POSSIBLE"


Guin   April 24th, 2010 1:45 am ET

God can work in this Larry King presentation for people searching for the truth.
I am pleased to know that Jennifer Knapp has come out with her style of religion. It is getting more and more common if you don't believe it ask Haggard that was presenting his religion. I will save my money and certainly will not give nor recommend her music to other Christians. Why would I as a Christian promote more wolves in sheeps clothing to confuse young Christians or lead them astray through a singer that puts the label Christian on her music, but does not live according to God's Word. That is like the old saying my standing in a garage does not make me a car.

Thanks to Pastor Botsford that kindly spoke and presented the truth according to the Bible. Pastor Botsford your reward is in heaven. To God be the glory.

Pastor Botsford, was presenting God's Word. I don't remember him saying anything about hating this singer. The other man that called himself a pastor agreeing with whatever kind of lifestyle you choose is right, in the name of love. God is love but not lust or worldly sexual desires.


Rebecca Gallegos   April 24th, 2010 1:48 am ET

Larry King,

Spiritual Leaders are at the same level with the Gay. The same proformance that goes on in the Gay you fine in the Church with married couples and with the leaders. Jesus came condaming the proformance. (It is an anmailistic nature). He says no one can build the Kingdom of God the father for the coming of the Lord Jesus Christ ,with that type of nature. It is not the nature of Christ. we have to give up that type of proforms or life style in order to build God's kingdom, it say so in the book of Romans.

Lasbins and or Gay is a choose that they make in order to proform the way they like or feel like it . God does not condam the person he condams the profromance.

You don't fine this type of teach in the church with the Spiritual Kings or Leaders; they can't build the kingdom of God. They are too busy building their kingdom.

Greeke love in the anciant world; we find Juneus and Athenus had Gay and Lesbos parties. After their wild parties that went on for days
Juenus and Athenus came together and had sex. In the prosess they conceived a male child with female hipps and breast. The thelogiant says that it was the curse from God to them for the profromance.

Sincerely Rebecca Gallegos


David Krauss   April 24th, 2010 1:50 am ET

Jeniffer is terrific, and full of love. Good for her. God love her.
Pastor Bob, sounds homofobic more that a man full of God.
Some Christians talk a bout love but they hate others. Thinking that they have the truth. Although, using the name of jesus to hate, blame others e.g.
Also some christians sale the idea that jews kill Jesus e.g. ..It's not that anti-semitism?...pls stop anti-semism.
Pls stop hate
how come you're talking about jesus, if you don't know about LOVE.
AND COMPATION.

by the way, i found a nice book,The church and the Homosexual. by John McNeil
he said: I pray that with God's merciful grace this book may serve the spiritual good of my lesbian sister and gay brothers and all who read it


Angela   April 24th, 2010 1:52 am ET

To the Moderators... be fair and put opinions on that also oppose your own view. Jennifer...Do not try to change what the bible says to make your self right. I wish Larry had called out some of the many verses in the Bible that talk about homosexuality... and then had Jennifer explain why she is disregarding those verses. Those verses mention the Detestable behavior, Obomination, and Defiling of he body. I wish everyone who wants to justify this behavior would take out 15 minutes of their lives to open the Bible and read about what is actually said, then decide if you still think you are right. Sometimes it is ok to admit when we are wrong... and try to work towards changing the behavior.


Angela   April 24th, 2010 2:01 am ET

@ Mitzi.. If I dont approve at something... I am not going to go an support it..."a gay wedding" Get Real! And to use Jesus to try to make this point is rediculous. People have really tried to turn things around... Now people have to explain why it is right to be Heterosexual. Unbelievable.


Doug   April 24th, 2010 2:22 am ET

Hello everyone. Sometimes we don't find our calling but our calling finds us. God requires of us things which, humanly speaking, are impossible to lay down by willpower alone. My friend longs for intimacy with his wife but she is unwilling. Many would say that it is impossible for him to stay committed and faithful under those circumstances, but he proves God's power is at work within him by the way he continues to love and serve his wife. This IS impossible aside from God's work within him. The same is true for all of us. Perhaps Ms. Knapp's calling is to sacrifice her desires for the sake of Christ. What if God really does require that of her? Would she be willing? I think that is more of the issue.


Taylor Green   April 24th, 2010 2:25 am ET

This is ridiculous. Would someone please explain to me why a gay man or a gay woman can't have faith in a higher power? There is no reason to back that up.

Now I've never met Jesus, but he seems like the kind of guy who wouldn't care if people were gay or straight. He would see them a person rather than a gay person.

And for those of you who a worried about her soul...Maybe you should be a little more worried about your own soul. God is the judge. NOT YOU!


Christy   April 24th, 2010 2:39 am ET

I am an ex-gay. I believed that so call gay Christian theology for 7 years. I finally am free from that bondnage. I rededicate my life to Christ which meant repented of all my sins including my homosexual lifestyle. I feel blessed that God gave me a 2nd chance. Homosexuality is a choice, but you can change.
1 Corinthians 6:9-11Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the Kingdom of God? Do not be deceived.: Neither sexual immoral nor idolaters, nor adulteres, nor male prostitutes nor homosexuals, nor theives,nor the greedy, nor drunkards. nor slanders,nor swindlers will not inherit the kingdom of GOD.
BUT in verse 11 proves you can change. And that is was some of you were.BUT you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and the Spirit of our God.
God loves you but he does not want you to live in the homosexual lifestyle. Watch out if you stay in this so call Christian gay theology, you are twisting the veres that you try to justified what you want it to say. I know all the veres that gays say homosexuality is not a sin, but it is a sin. God' word says it is and if you believe all of God' word you need to repent your sins including homosexuality lifestye. There is help for those who are struggling. There is Exodus International in which has many soures that can help you.


tucole   April 24th, 2010 3:21 am ET

This girl is way of base she cannot be a christian a follower of Christ and state I am what God says is wrong but I follow him. Misguided! What it is = rebellion to what God ordain which was man with woman not man with man or woman with woman. If I read it in greek, hebrew, latin or aramaic it all says the same thing that it's wrong!


tucole   April 24th, 2010 3:23 am ET

one more thing we as Christians you pray for her that her eyes are trully opened


john hansen   April 24th, 2010 3:25 am ET

from Alaska
Go girl! from a hetero male. Jennifer Knapp I stand up for you 100%. you have the right to be all you can be! the minister is wrong.. I don't believen that a man of the cloth can put you down for your sexual preference. God is not judgemental all loves everyone the minister needs to get a life. good luck and best wishes...p.s. I never heard any of your music before and I like it take care.


Scott   April 24th, 2010 3:25 am ET

Jennifer, I'm so happy that have been in a 8 yr relationship its great.. I wish you the best. I love my lord and the lord understands where we stand.. no one else will ever understand about LGBT... your the second Christian Singer to come out.. this year.... btw love your music..


Jennifer   April 24th, 2010 3:35 am ET

I wish people would just let everyone live their lives. Why can people not accept others for who they are. I am glad she came out and said she is a lesbian. More power to her. At least she is being honest with herself and everyone else. She can be christian and a lesbian. There is nothing wrong with that. At least she isn't living a lie and she isn't trying to push her beliefs off on anyone. She is just being Jennifer Knapp. It's stupid for people to not accept her because of who she is. And if you want to say she can't be christian and lesbian because of what the bible says needs to shove it. Everybody sins in some way everyday so stop picking on someone elses sin and pay attention on your own. All that matters is that Jennifer be happy with who she is and live her life how she wants to.


savedbygrace   April 24th, 2010 3:42 am ET

If she was truly saved, her salvation is not at stake. Living in sin will separate you from God's blessing though...they aren't seeming to get that on this show. The Preacher's point is that he tries to keep a short account with God, you can't repent without turning from your sinful behavior, therefore a homosexual can't truly repent unless they turn from their behavior. Of course, she hasn't acknowledged that homosexuality is a sin..


savedbygrace   April 24th, 2010 3:47 am ET

smith in oregon... are you serious? what makes a republican racist? because we disagree with president obama? SERIOUSLY!!!!!! can't we look past the man's color and look at his politics?! holy cow.


Frank   April 24th, 2010 3:49 am ET

Do you really think that God wants to hang out for all eternity with, hateful, ignorant people who can't think for themselves? Hmm, I don't think so.


Jose   April 24th, 2010 3:53 am ET

If one really knows God and his word will understand that being homosexual is a sin.


Mere   April 24th, 2010 3:56 am ET

God is love. It really is that simple.


Laura   April 24th, 2010 4:08 am ET

You can be Gay and accept Christ as your Lord and Savior. I am so sad for Bob Botsford. I hope all Christians pray for him, this was such a public sin as Satan spoke through him and turned people away from Christ. The judgment of the Pharisee's is so sad to see. Please don't be turned away from Christ because of Bob's Satanic outcry. Even Pastor's sin. He told you when he spoke that he was a sinner and I am sure when he asks for forgiveness, he will be forgiven. It is just sad that it won't be as public. Jennifer Knapp is a very brave person. Her voice is God given and she has given her life and talent to Christ. Christ is smiles when she sings🙂


Steve Meredith   April 24th, 2010 4:12 am ET

I am a firm believer that you can be gay and christian both-I am! Skimming over some of the comments I saw one young man say he was gay when the Lord saved him. He knows each and everyone one of us (according to the book of Jeremiah). We were known before we were formed in our mother's wombs. I guess that blows the lifestyle choice ideaology all to pieces. It also seems like their are some incredibly intelligent people that made comments. Try this one- David (a man described as one after God's own heart and also lineage of Jesus... (Jesus-thou Son of David)) described his friend Johnathan's(Saul's son) kisses as being sweeter than those of a woman. Now I know that no intelligent conversation or scripture will change some of your minds nor will any of your religious inaccuracies or rhetoric change mine! I will make you this promise-if my mansion is next door to your's on the shores of glory that every morning I will open my window and shout Haaaay! GLORY ! every morning for all of eternity! It's easy to memorize John 3:16 but what about 17. Peace to you all!


brother_bill   April 24th, 2010 4:15 am ET

The reference for the Scripture above is : Romans 1: 26, but do read the entire Chapter to know GOD's mind on what a heathy relationship is and looks like.
Jesus, The Savior of the World, the Son of GOD came to Save the world "from" our Sins, but not when we decide to practice and to live "IN" our Sins.


Melanie   April 24th, 2010 4:24 am ET

Jennifer can sit and argue with pastor Bob and make up excuses all night but the Bible has not changed nor will it ever change. The pastor wasnt judging her at all,he was just stating what the Bible says about being gay,that it is a sin and God is a loving and forgiving God and she can be forgiven of it and get out of it but IF she continues living in a homosexual lifestyle she is still sinning. Everyone has a chioce,you either live for God or the devil and there is no in between and she knows that living like that is not living for God.


nellie   April 24th, 2010 4:45 am ET

I am a proud believer in The Father Son and the Holy Spirit and I know what God teaches about sin. But I do believe that Homosexuallity just like every other sin like adultury, fornication, and any sin other sin is sin and we are all sinners and God loves all of us and we should never be afraid to except God in our life. Dont let religion or judgemental people stop anybody no matter where you are in life because we are all sinners and God loves all of us. What is important is your relationship with God. That is what you have to worry about you and Him. God is the only one you have to worry about. He is the one who has the key to your salvation. Jesus, not anyone in this world so focuse on him no matter what sin or not sin you have. Just Love him


mulnar   April 24th, 2010 4:59 am ET

I am going to go out on a limb and say, Larry King has his veiw point, Ted Haggard is in some odd way wanting the public not to judge his for his past sins and J Knapp wants to find some God that will let her pick and choose what she wants to believe.

Let me think about this did God say what she is engaging in is an abomination? Did God say that about any other sin? Since I do not think he did he must have thought that sin ranked up there at the top, am I wrong?

I am not trying to judge, God is going to do that and when he looks at me he will find a lot of mistakes I have made in the way of sin. It seems to me we all stuggle with sin, after all we were created with a sin nature, but I do not want to make the mistake of lying to myself and beleiving a sin is not a sin


ike ekosi   April 24th, 2010 5:41 am ET

Jennifer what you have committed is a unforgivable sin. being a gay is making God a fool by bringing man and woman together. being proud of it. . and coming boldly in the tv is a way of preaching to the world about homosexual ism. go to hell with music and everything about is corrupt. . in bible old testerment people like should be put to death .


juliet, Nigeria   April 24th, 2010 5:52 am ET

Jennifer, i don't condemn your sexuality for what it is, but when you try to justify it (that's what u are doing) by saying all have sinned.......it stinks. If you are gay, you are gay........don't bring christianity into it. How would you feel if you were married and your husband was cheating and he says "a sin is a sin" and continues doing it. You are either gay or a born-again christian.


Seun   April 24th, 2010 5:58 am ET

The truth is that as christians we can't downplay the sexual sins in the context of God's word. The bible says every sin a man commits is outside of the body but he who commits sexual sin sins against his body. Sexual sins (of which homosexuality is a part) claimed more lives in the bible than any other type of sins. It is enough to admit to homosexuality but we must never justify it as christians. A true fruit of repentance will make us accept our sins without rationalizing them. Paul gave advise to the church in Corinth to cast out the man who was having sexual affairs with his father's wife.

Homosexuality is a clear sin before God and a true christian who finds that he is drifting towards this direction will cry on to God to save him. I am quite dissappointed with the comments of Ted Haggard and it appeared to me that he was still in support of homosexuality even though he might claim to have repented from it. This is quite unfortunate on his part.

The bible says where sin abounds, grace does much more abound but it also says that "can we continue in sin that grace should abound; God forbid?". Being a christian gives us liberty to live for God and not to keep on sinning.

In a nutshell, you can't be a christian and boast about been homosexual. Rather, you will cling to the saving grace of Christ if you discover that you are fiddling with homosexuality by having your mind renewed by the word of God and seeking spiritual counselling.

I don't need to be politically correct, it is not possible to be gay and yet claim to be a christian.


brenda   April 24th, 2010 6:09 am ET

the bible said that that it was a sin to be gay and that is what you have to go by. Ted Haggard should have said that because he knows that it is writen in the bible but because he did it he thinks it is ok.If he was a truly a change man he would have spoke up against it and told the truth.I would love to be on your show larry when you discuss lesbians larry.


Josephine Muigai   April 24th, 2010 6:40 am ET

Bob Botsford fearlessly told like it is and as the bible states. On the other hand, Ted Haggard is a carnal "christian" who does not know the difference between being a christian and being a religous person. You become a christian by leaving your sinful ways and following Christ's teaching and gayism is not christian at all. You can not have it both ways and is either right or left, no negotiations. Jennifer Knapp and Ted Haggard might decide to stop kidding themselves and the world as a whole because guess what you can never kid God.


Stephen C. Woodruff   April 24th, 2010 7:37 am ET

Homosexuality is "an abomination"? Really? What does the scripture actually say?

Humans "did not honor him as God or give thanks to him, but they became futile in their thinking , and their senseless minds were darkened. Claiming to be wise, they became fools, and they exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images resembling a mortal human being or birds ro four-footed animals or reptiles." Romans 1:21-23

"Therefore God gave them up . . . . ." (Romans 1:24) to human frailty, to sin, to a host of perceived human ills in the time of Paul.

"For this reason God gave them up to degrading passions." Romans 1:26

"And since they did not see fit to acknowledge God, Gad gave them up to a debased mind and to things that should not be done." Romans 1:28

In short, people lost their connection to God and ill resulted. There is nothing here about "abominations."

To the contrary, Paul goes on, "Therefore you have no excuse, whoever you are, when you judge others; for in passing judgment on another, you condemn yourself ...." Romans 2:1

"But now, irrespective of law, the righteousness of God has been disclosed ..., the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction, since all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God; they are now justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus, whom God put forward as a sacrifice of atonement by his blood, effective through faith." Romans 3:21-25


Doreen   April 24th, 2010 7:44 am ET

I love Jennifer Knapp's music – always will!
Pastor Bob was doing exactly as the bible instructs Christians to do. He wasn't judging her, he was correcting her. The bible tells us if one of God's people strays away we are supposed to gently bring them back and confront the sin.
At this point Jenn doesn't see it as sin. It's that simple.
I do believe she still loves Jesus.🙂 He will do in her what he chooses when the time is right.


Debra A. F. Seiz, NJ   April 24th, 2010 7:45 am ET

These are the same whiz-bangs that BELIEVE that a SNAKE spoke to a couple in a garden and a guy in a flood had species survive by only bringing 1 male and 1 female of EVERY CREATURE on the planet on to a BOAT. Yeah. And the Earth REALLY sits on the back of a GIANT TURTLE, too.

Why aren't these self-righteous religious figures ever seen on TV railing against issues such as WIFE ABUSE or HUMAN OVERPOPULATION?

Why throw the first stones at gay people, who are only trying to love those that they Love?

Why don't they ever quote the REST of the Sodom and Gomorrah story that says "In response, Lot refuses to give his guests to the inhabitants of Sodom and, instead, offers them his two virgin daughters to "do to them whatever you like."

When was the last time these hypocrites ever offered THEIR daughters to strangers to rape, so that they, too, can be called "righteous" in the eyes of the Lord?

GIVE ME a FRIGGIN' BREAK.

A gay man or woman should be FORCED to marry someone who makes them want to gnaw off their own arms when they wake up next to that person in the morning?

Get your OWN heterosexual houses in order, before you stick your HYPOCRITICAL NOSES into MINE.

PATHETIC that a book, transcribed and re-written time after time, inundated w the cultural prejudices of centuries ago are still used as tools to propagate the human manifestation of the pecking order.

Pathetic.


Stephen C. Woodruff   April 24th, 2010 7:59 am ET

It is true Christ never said a word about homosexuality. It was Paul in his letter to the Romans who made mention of it and certainly not to judge it an abomination and condemn those who practice it.

At a time when procreation was still critical to survival of the tribe and the species due to high infant mortality rates, maternal death in child birth, loss of young men in battle, both sexes to disease and so forth, he gave the following as an example of the ills that befall a people who lose their connection to God:

"Their women exchanged natural intercourse for unnatural, and in the same way also the men, giving up natural intercourse with women, were consumed with passion for one another." Romans 1:26-27

He followed that immediately with a stern warning against judging others, which our modern day Pharisees are incapable of grasping.

Incidentally, notice how the quoted biblical passage could be read as suggesting that homosexual passion is perfectly all right so long as one does not make it exclusive, giving up heterosexual passion.


Carol   April 24th, 2010 8:34 am ET

Sin is sin, not two ways about it. Whether you can be a Christian and chose to have sex with the same gender, I guess so. There many men sleeping with women and are professing Christ, but that doesn't make it right. The Bible isn't just a book. As Christians we believe it is Holy Spirit inspired and is the Word of God. I'm thinking it would be a good idea if Jennifer Knapp would change her Genre because she is a role model and she is not a good example of a person professing Christ as their Saviour.


trent   April 24th, 2010 8:40 am ET

miss knapp god still loves you but not your actions . please go back and read your bible and see what god word has to say about being gay . and ask god to guide you through his word . you are a great singer but your word will come void unto you are right with god


Stephen C. Woodruff   April 24th, 2010 8:47 am ET

Ronald, Galatians 5:19 makes no mention of homosexuality. Please do not post falsehoods.

"Now the works of the flesh are obvious: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmities, strife, jealousy, anger, quarrels, dissension, factions envy, drunkenness, carousing, and things like these." Galatians 5:19-21


carol w.   April 24th, 2010 8:49 am ET

Jesus is coming back and we will all have to stand in front of Him on judgement day. It is one thing to be lost and not know it, but it is another thing to think you are saved and you still follow satan. The Bible says that homosexuality is an abomination. Am I passing judgement, I think not. We could argue until His return. We will see then if Jesus is real or not. And the ones who think He is fake, imaginary or what have you will be sorry. It will then be eternally to late to ask for forgiveness. Even satan believed in Jesus, but he decided to follow his way and he will be eternally living in hell. And those that don't accept Jesus will be eternally with satan The reason you don't believe is you have never experienced Him. What a sad world we live in. He gave us free choice to choose or not, but He is a just God and those who don't believe will be eternally condemned. I pray for the christian and the non-christian.


keepitreal   April 24th, 2010 10:19 am ET

So many ignorant people line up to give their last dollar to the hypocrit pastors who sell this BS to them. They could sell coke or pepsi, but then they would have to work themselves 5 days a week ( or more ) instead of 1. Too many weak people looking for someone to tell them something that will make them "feel good". We've become a selfish society that "uses" religion for our own selfish needs. Very Sad


okiepride   April 24th, 2010 10:44 am ET

yes GOD does love us all.but homosexuality is condemed througout the BIBLE. and it also says that gay people will never enter heaven. it is funny how people try to change the word of GOD to fit their lifestyle. before you call me a bigot let me tell you this. i dont hate gay people just the sin.


Paul   April 24th, 2010 11:40 am ET

Larry King asked Pastor Botsford if he ate shellfish and he replied yes. Larry then pointed out that it wa prhibited, unclean food. Pastor responded by saying God changed His mind on that and pointed to Peter's vision described in Acts 10. The interesting thing is that Peter's vision had nothing to do with clean or unclean food if read the whole passage. It has to do with accepting gentiles (unclean) as brothers in Christ (see v.28). The point is that everyone reads the Bible selectively, including Pastor Botsford. We read the words and assign meaning to them as we wish. This should tell us about human nature and make us humble. We have thousands of denominations, each claiming to have the right interpretation of the Bible. It's time we come to realize our limits of knowledge and trust God to show the way.


Bob   April 24th, 2010 11:54 am ET

Of course all the negative comments are going to come from so called Christians and Heterosexuals who have no idea what they're even talking about. But thank God it won't be Christians who will sit in judgement in the end. It will be God alone. He formed me n my Mothers womb. He knew I'd be gay and Christian before I did. I was saved at the age of 10, baptized at 13 and served Him in every way I could. It was not until I hit puberty that I found out I as gay. I guess that make's me a gay Christian. I applaud Jennifer's courage becuase she had nothing to gain by coming out. She knew rejection and loss may come her way, but hopefully she knew as well she would be proclaiming freedom and liberty to be who God made you, to her no doubt countless Christian gay brother a sisters like me. I thank you first for your ministry and courage to follow your calling. Even more so NOW. May God continue to use you to reach many people who are unreachable by the UN-Christian and UN-Christlike Church. I wonder if Christ will even recognize the church when He comes back to claim His own. He said, "They will know we are Christians by our love?" Keep spreading the love Christ Jennifer. BRAVA! Your Gay Brother In Christ, Bob Irvan


Dorothy Edner   April 24th, 2010 12:05 pm ET

Watching your show last night with Knapp, Bostford and Haggard has made me a committed atheist at last. I am so thankful that Clay Aiken was not on the program.


gerald Jolly   April 24th, 2010 12:05 pm ET

And that's the GOSPEL according to Paul


Seun   April 24th, 2010 1:20 pm ET

@Stephen C: You have rightly quoted Romans 1: 26-27 and it appears to me that you didn't see lesbianism and homosexuality been described in those chapters except if you would have us believe that the bible was talking about something else there!

No body has the right to judge any body and even Jesus would say " I judge no man but even if I judge, my judgement is true". At other times he would say "woman, where are those your accusers" and the woman responded "never man, Lord" and Jesus continued "neither do I condemn you, go and sin no more". Christ offered eternal life to her by not condemning her but neither did he overlook her sin but rather told her to sin no more. Nobody is judging Jennifer here because we have no power to do that but we can't "water" down God's word to please our inordinate desires. Rationalizing our short-comings/sins is living in self-righteousness and denying the authority of God's word. God loves us but hate our sin and homosexuality should not be mentioned in the camp of those who are Christians (those who have new life in Christ Jesus). Jesus wants us to pray for one another and wants to help us but you will agree with me that we need to play our part by showing willingness to be helped. If someone says their sexual orientation is gay and they want to live that way, they are simply engaging in self indulgence and willful disobedience to God's word. When a genuine Christian falls into sexual sin, you will notice genuine remorse and conviction of the Holy Spirit in them. But if they start to rationalise their sin and claim that afterall we live in a free society, then it is a different ball game.

Stephen C, kindly read Romans 1:26-27 for yourself and ask the Holy Spirit to interpret what that means to you.


Tim   April 24th, 2010 2:57 pm ET

Jennifer Knapp you know within your heart that you are sinning against God, and if you don't know then you must examine your heart to see if you truly invited Christ Jesus as your Savior, Lord and God. Every believer at one point in there life have justified there sin, hearing and believing voices that are not from God but from are enemy the devil. You must recognize that those voices you hear are not from God and you must recognize that you were listening to the wrong voice, and after you have acknowledge that you heard and listened to the wrong voice, Repent, and turn back to Him. God will surely forgive your sins, He will clean you up and set you back on the right course, His course for your life. I pray that you turn back to God, if you do He will take you to levels in Him that you cannot even comprehend or can even imagine! God loves you and we the children of God love you in Christ Jesus!


Jennifer   April 24th, 2010 5:42 pm ET

There was nothing hateful about the pastors at ALL. When you speak of the Truth, and people disagree, often there is a mistranslation of "hate." I think Pastor Bob did a great job.


Rachael   April 24th, 2010 6:21 pm ET

Pastor Bob....You are the gentle, loving voice of a hero, speaking TRUTH to a world who needs a Savior.


Gary   April 24th, 2010 8:17 pm ET

As simple as it can be – God so loved the world that He gave his only begotten son that WHOSOEVER believes in HIm should not not perish but have everlasting life.

I believe. I have placed my faith in Him. I am gay. If gay people can't be saved or be Christian, then the Bible has lied.

All you folks who claim that the Bible condemns homosexuality as we know it today should read very thoroughly. If the word "arsenokoitai" truly refers to gay people then, as the Bible says, we have no part in the kingdom of God. The next phrase also says that liars have no part of the Kingdom of God. All of you who have ever told a lie are liars and if you every retain the possability of telling a lie in the future then you will be with me in hell. Don't worry, I'll save you a seat.

However, if the Bible is true (and I believe it is) then my faith will bring me into Heaven with my Father. Jennifer Knapp and I will be the ones holding the rainbow colord banners.

Gary


Kerrin Axmacher   April 24th, 2010 8:21 pm ET

Jesus paid an extremely painful price to gain salvation for all who recieve His sacrifice! He who knew no sin became sin and took the sin of all mankind upon Himself. Those who choose to receive this amazing exchange recieve the gift of eternal life! God's amazing love for me causes me to want to live for Him and love Him more everyday! I know when I make choices that hurt God. Only the precious Holy Spirit can convict us of sin. Conviction is a good thing-it points us back to the staight and narrow road that leads to heaven. The way to heaven has been paved with the mighty and precious blood of Jesus! Pray!!


Matthew   April 24th, 2010 9:11 pm ET

In a word, NO, you cannot be gay and a Christian. The Bible is very specific, homosexuality is a SIN!


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 11:31 pm ET

What is a Christian? One who is in fear of his death and puts his faith in that, which he cannot explain and was explained for them thousands of years before a valid explanation could be ascertained?

What is a Christian? One who puts his faith in the hands of self-anointed and self-appointed leaders in organizations that just purport an eternal life and take their remunerations for their hard labor, and in return gives them lip service and, at times, whose hands and appendages abuse their offspring.

What is a Christian? One who was born non-denominational and was selected and indoctrinated to become so anally retentive of his death, they forget how to live by the time they complete their potty training.

What is a Christian? One who joins the army of 'ONE' and fights for a purported 'peace on Earth' and fornicates for their virginity.

What is a Christian? One who enters a building full of idols and icons once a week to hear words that are tempered with eternal damnation, pays a sum of money to hear it, exits hearing "peace be with you", and as they are leaving, steps over the homeless and hungry, to go home and raise hell and abuse their own families.

What is a Christian? Before birth they were the same as a Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, Moslem, Atheist, Agnostic or any of 19 other major religions, over 219 other religions, and over 35,000 other Christian organizations....They are Homo sapiens before they were anything else, and may even be homosexuals...but none put sex in their Heaven..The one common denominator they all have in common, regardless of faith, they are all HIPPOCRITES in need of HIPPOCRATES' modern morphologies and new modems, so they can keep up with these blogs.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 12:18 am ET

Repost...lost part...now I am found

What is a Christian? One who cannot put aside their biases and accept that, which they cannot understand, and refuse to accept that, which is tangible and can be understood, if told their unknown is not accepting of it.

What is a Christian? One who, because of fear, puts all their faith in the the unknown and a fantasized afterlife, and is in fear to accept those they live amongst during their life, because of differences in race, color, creeds, orientations beyond the norm, or disabilities.

What is a Christian? One who is in fear of his death and puts his faith in that, which he cannot explain and was explained for them thousands of years before a valid explanation could be ascertained?

What is a Christian? One who puts his faith in the hands of self-anointed and self-appointed leaders in organizations that just purport an eternal life and take their remunerations for their hard labor, and in return gives them lip service and, at times, whose hands and appendages abuse their offspring.

What is a Christian? One who was born non-denominational and was selected and indoctrinated to become so anally retentive of his death, they forget how to live by the time they complete their potty training.

What is a Christian? One who joins the army of 'ONE' and fights for a purported 'peace on Earth' and fornicates for their virginity.

What is a Christian? One who enters a building full of idols and icons once a week to hear words that are tempered with eternal damnation, pays a sum of money to hear it, exits hearing "peace be with you", and as they are leaving, steps over the homeless and hungry, to go home and raise hell and abuse their own families.

What is a Christian? Before birth they were the same as a Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, Moslem, Atheist, Agnostic or any of 19 other major religions, over 219 other religions, and over 35,000 other Christian organizations....They are Homo sapiens before they were anything else, and may even be homosexuals...but none put sex in their Heaven..The one common denominator they all have in common, regardless of faith, they are all HIPPOCRITES in need of HIPPOCRATES' modern morphologies and new modems, so they can keep up with these blogs.


Atheist007   April 25th, 2010 12:56 am ET

Christianity and all religions are founded on fables and mythology.

The way all Religious individuals see by faith is to shut the eye of reason. Their faith is illogical based out of fear and desiring the invisible friend!


Grace in California   April 25th, 2010 1:35 am ET

It's too bad that Jennifer Knapp's church didn't practice Matthew 18:15-17, formally known as Biblical Church Discipline, for dealing with sin in the church.
Matt 18:15-17 was the first command the Lord ever gave the church, specifically for dealing with sin in the church. The goal is always to gain the repentance of the sinner, and to restore them to the Body. It is a loving thing to do. Step by step. But, since so many churches won't confront sin head on – any kind, we have people living lives calling themselves Christians, in complete disobedience to God, and they either need help getting out of a sin, or they may not be saved at all.
Her church and her elders may be a part of this problem.


K.F.   April 25th, 2010 3:29 am ET

Pastor Bob, you did an EXCELLENT job remaining calm and showing respect and love for this situation!!! And, at the same time, you still stated the facts that are in the bible that we are to live by. We are to "hate the sin but love the sinner." God gets all of our attention when we are doing something wrong – that's when we repent. But, if we turn away from Him time after time after time, He may just quit trying to get our attention. That's NOT a position I would want to be in. We will keep praying that the right decisions will be made.


richie B   April 25th, 2010 8:45 am ET

So scary most of these comments. Ever notice the so called " christians" are the most judgmental of all without a real ounce of love in their hearts..The only thing they are consistent about is finding a few words in the Bible and translating it to their own liking...sin sin sin..The real sin folks is not loving each other, because THAT is where the truth lies. Loving another unconditionally for who they are...The truth shall set you free.Thank you Amy for your love and keep singing the songs you love. Stay away from FREAKS like that on Larry King...He actually looks sorta gay with those glasses...yet, another closeted gay christian...LOL


richie B   April 25th, 2010 8:47 am ET

ooops, Jennifer...was thinking of Amy grant...didnt she get divorced? yet another sin? except when its them!


jundp   April 25th, 2010 9:21 am ET

if we are children of God (john 1:12, 13), God is continuously at work in us (philippians 1:6) up to the point of just before the point of no return (luke 14:34-35, hebrews 4:4-6) .. the guarantee of our going to heaven is the genuineness of our faith in Christ (matthew 7:21-27) and if it is genuine, there is still a possibility that we might lose it and that is if we apostate (hebrews 4:4-6) and/or deliberately keep on sinning (hebrews 10:26-31) and/or blaspheme against the Holy Spirit (mark 3:29, luke 12:10) .. in Christ, we are a new creation (ii corinthians 5:17) and He gives us the ability to obey His will (philippians 4:13) and will not allow us to be tempted beyond what we can bear (i corinthians 10:13) .. God’s will for a man is a woman and vice-versa .. God hates homosexuality that is why sodom and gomorrah was destroyed (genesis 19:1-29) and nowhere can we find in Scriptures that God has changed His stand on this .. in fact, He confirms His stand on this when Scriptures said that those who are sexually immoral will go to hell (revelations 21:8) .. God has a plan for each and every child of His (jeremiah 29:11) and this plan for each and every child of His should be in accord with the overall plan that He has laid out in Scriptures (matthew 28:19-20) .. God can see the future of each and every child of His and if He sees that in the future we will not be fruitful as He wants us be, He will end the earthly life of His child (john 15:2) so that this child of His will not get to the point of no return (john 15:6) .. it is therefore important that we christians should conduct ourselves in accordance with the plan that God has laid out in Scriptures .. if we claim to be a child of God and are still alive in the flesh and we do not conduct ourselves in accordance with the plan, then any of the following four spiritual conditions is true: (1) that the genuineness of our claim that we have accepted God’s grace is questionable; (2) that as a child of God, God sees in the future that we will repent of the sin we are in (i john 3:9-10); (3) we have committed the eternal sin, blasphemy against the Holy Spirit (mark 3:29, luke 12:10); or (4) we have arrived at the point of no return (hebrews 6:4-6) ..


Konstnantin   April 25th, 2010 10:06 am ET

I think that Pastor Bob is outrageous. I happen to be gay and I am a very strong Christian. Homosexuality is not a sin because it is not a choice as many people believe. I can honestly say that God answers all of my prayers and I don't think he would do that if he believed that my soul is damned.

even if being homosexual is a sin, I think what many christians have forgoten, is that nobody is perfect and everybody will be judged by God.
If at all, it's just as much of a sin as lying or doing something wrong in God's eyes.

I would like to see how this story develops. Does CNN plan to have another show like this? Continuation of this one perhaps?


BIG GAY SINNER   April 25th, 2010 10:46 am ET

GOD hates haters. He told me.


BIG GAY SINNER   April 25th, 2010 10:57 am ET

Hey there, yes YOU, I am a gay married man, shocking isn't it, married to a man, Oh GOD. Proud Canadian too, land of the really free. I am so glad I am going to heaven with my husband. I pray for all you millons of str8 men and women having sex before marrage, or living in SIN. Hell is filled with all you str8s that constantly feel the need to have sex with out the result being the birth of a child. I talked to Jesus and he assured me that all you sinning str8 trash will not be bothering me any more when I am in heaven. Thank you Jesus, I feel so special. Just another married gay guy cradled in the arms of Jesus. Now go away, Jesus dosen't love you.


Christian   April 25th, 2010 1:21 pm ET

If Jesus taught is one thing, it is to love, no matter what sin they have or are committing, we are to love one another. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone. We must love all Christians and non Christians alike. That is what it is all about. If he were here today at a same sex wedding, he would hug them both, tell them he loved them and pray for them. No hatred would come of it, only love. I pray that she will come to terms with her sin and stop, but it is her choice, that is what god gave us and it is hers alone. She can still be a Christian and love god, we all are not without sin and we all claim to be saved and love god. GOD BLESS US ALL.


A van Niekerk   April 25th, 2010 2:41 pm ET

Why cant a peson be both gay and a christian? I have been gay for 15 years now and i christian since i was born and thats 33 years ago... being gay has not effected my belief in God, or visa versa, in fact it has made me believe more in Him and His power and being! We are not here to judge people and we need to accept people for who and what they are – as long as its within limits...


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 3:06 pm ET

A van Niekerk

At that age I am glad you aren't affixed to an iron cross of inflexibility..


Christian   April 25th, 2010 3:25 pm ET

HOW TO BREAK INTO THE MUSIC INDUSTRY 101 :
Many artists try to break into the music industry using the "Christian-radio-route." It's way easier than secular music industry. Sing a song about "grace", hopefully win an award or two, earn some creds, then VOILA!!!! Say something shocking, earn a new fan base, and look forward to a reality show. Wolves in sheeps clothing shouldn't be so surprizing. It goes back to the garden. Deception.


Elizabeth   April 25th, 2010 5:45 pm ET

Can't help but notice Pastor Bob Botsford is the only person not allowed to speak without being interrupted..hmm..wonder why he was invited to be on the show? Larry King closes by saying he hopes to have the guests back on the show- would Bob be allowed to speak at that time? Clearly the intent was not to listen to all sides, but rather to put down one particular side without letting it be heard in the first place. In addition, there were a lot of assumptions and accusations towards Bob for things I never heard him say. Not exactly behavior I can respect.


SHE'S BOUND, THATS THE TRUTH   April 25th, 2010 6:03 pm ET

NO SIN WILL ENTER HEAVEN.
IF ONE DIDN'T FEEL GUILTY ABOUT IT, WHY WOULD THEY HAVE TO SAY, "I'M COMING OUT?" THE PERSON REACHES A POINT THAT THEY HAVE WALKED AGAINST TRUTH (GOD'S WORD) SO LONG THEY NO LONGER FEEL THAT IT'S SIN.


TPV   April 25th, 2010 7:29 pm ET

I saw the show and have to agree with Pastor Bob. There are a lot of sins in the bible. Jesus came to earth, died, and resurrected to free us from the bondage of sin. God still gives us a choice, the choice to be free from bondage or continue to live in sin. At the end God will be the judge. God also gives multiple commandments in the old testament. A lot of the old testament rituals were performed for the people to consecrate themselves in the prescence of a HOLY GOD! To be honest I am grateful for the grace of GOD that by the death and resurrection of Christ, we don't have to perform and live up to old testament rituals. The new testament states that all sins including homosexuality, adultery, fornication, drunkingness just to name a few will not see the kingdom of GOD. I pray for everybody that feel we can continue to live like we want to and profess to be Christians in the prescence of a HOLY GOD. We have all sinned a fallen short of the glory of God. But I thank GOD for his grace and mercy.


Roy Koser   April 25th, 2010 8:45 pm ET

In regards to Jessie Knapps’ story (she has the right to live here life as she pleases but not to redifne what God has said through those He inspired to write that which is contained in Scripture):

“A Christian singer’s shocking admission: she’s gay.
When Jennifer Knapp walked away from her successful Christian music career in 2003, fans scratched their heads and wondered why?
Now, the popular songstress is ready to talk about her comeback…and her coming out! It’s been a polarizing topic of discussion within the Christian music industry and by fans.”

The “gay” term itself is a perversion, as the practice itself is, of what God intended from the beginning in the garden. In modern days, the term a little over thirty years ago did not include the practice of homosexuality under the dictionary definition of the term. The context was as in "happy and gay", not homosexual.

While I can sympathize with the struggle one has in dealing with this issue as well as others, it is my belief, based on Scripture, that it is not a condoned practice as far as Christianity is concerned.

As an individual Christian I choose not to the use the term “gay” in reference to homosexuality in which I don’t use it except for a discussion like this (in quotes only though). I would hope that all "Christian’s" would stop using the term as well.

As a “Christian” singer (if she still is or considers herself one) the question is whether or not it is justifiable as an acceptable lifestyle in living that out as a Christian practice, being acceptable to God?

It seems based on what she was saying on the program that there are different ways to interpret certain passages in the Bible which would lead to her view that it is an acceptable lifestyle because of interpretational issues.

The Bible does identify what it would be like in the latter-days of (around the time of Jesus’ Second Coming) and certain instruction to Timothy being trained to be a pastor in his day (quotes used by me here are from the New American Standard translation- NASB):

“This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away. For of this sort are they which creep into houses, and lead captive silly women laden with sins, led away with divers lusts, Ever learning, and never able to come to the knowledge of the truth. (2 Timothy 3:1-7)

Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all long suffering and doctrine. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. (2 Timothy 4:2-4)”

There is great misunderstanding I think that goes on between the distinction of God’s justice side, the Law, vs. His mercy and grace that goes with His forgiving side. God can forgive all sin (except for the sin of blasphemy, a denial of the Holy Spirit) as the result of Jesus’ blood being shed on the cross (His grace offered to all who will believe, not given to those who don't) which dealt with His law.

The term “repent” means to turn away from, or having a change of mind concerning sin. Even if one has the urge to steal, practice homosexuality or even heterosexuality no one should be practicing any of it (in having sex outside the marriage union which is fornication” it is all sin and is not justifiable then or now).

Concerning the question of marriage (and some things that go along with it), the apostle Paul wrote:

“Now concerning the things about which you wrote, it is good for a man not to touch a woman. But because of immoralities, each man is to have his own wife, and each woman is to have her own husband. The husband must fulfill his duty to his wife, and likewise also the wife to her husband. The wife does not have authority over her own body, but the husband does; and likewise also the husband does not have authority over his own body, but the wife does. Stop depriving one another, except by agreement for a time, so that you may devote yourselves to prayer, and come together again so that Satan will not tempt you because of your lack of self-control. But this I say by way of concession, not of command. (1 Corinthians 7:1-6)”

This would mean that anyone who has the desire for sex needs to refrain from it period, however, hard as it is. That is why Paul encouraged those who couldn’t refrain from sex (being celibate) that it is better to marry than to burn with passion (lust) in ones own heart:

“Yet I wish that all men were even as I myself am However, each man has his own gift from God, one in this manner, and another in that. But I say to the unmarried and to widows that it is good for them if they remain even as I. But if they do not have self-control, let them marry; for it is better to marry than to burn with passion. (1 Corinthians 7:7-9)”

A verse in the book of Romans, written by the apostle Paul (chosen by Jesus on the road to Damascus, modern day Syria) was addressing the issue of those coming to faith in Jesus as the Jewish Messiah (both Jews and Gentiles). Some of the Jews of the day were not accepting Him in this:

“Well; because of unbelief they were broken off, and thou standest by faith. Be not highminded, but fear: For if God spared not the natural branches, take heed lest he also spare not thee. Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off. (Romans 11:20-22)”

The writers probably only had one way in mind that they meant to say that what they wrote should be understood (unless specified). To say that the practice of homosexuality can be an acceptable lifestyle is inconsistent with what is clearly stated.

In Paul’s letter to the Romans you have this statement concerning the practice of “homosexuality” (it’s not the term at issue here but the actual practice of “homosexuality” in the language of today, as well as then, being described):

“For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse: Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools, And changed the glory of the uncorruptible God into an image made like to corruptible man, and to birds, and fourfooted beasts, and creeping things. Wherefore God also gave them up to uncleanness through the lusts of their own hearts, to dishonour their own bodies between themselves: Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen. For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient; Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers, Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents, Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful: Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.
For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes, His eternal power and divine nature, have been clearly seen, being understood through what has been made, so that they are without excuse. For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools, and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man and of birds and four-footed animals and crawling creatures. Therefore God gave them over in the lusts of their hearts to impurity, so that their bodies would be dishonored among them. For they exchanged the truth of God for a lie, and worshiped and served the creature rather than the Creator, who is blessed forever. Amen. For this reason God gave them over to degrading passions; for their women exchanged the natural function for that which is unnatural, and in the same way also the men abandoned the natural function of the woman and burned in their desire toward one another, men with men committing indecent acts and receiving in their own persons the due penalty of their error. And just as they did not see fit to acknowledge God any longer, God gave them over to a depraved mind, to do those things which are not proper, being filled with all unrighteousness, wickedness, greed, evil; full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, malice; they are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, arrogant, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, without understanding, untrustworthy, unloving, unmerciful; and although they know the ordinance of God, that those who practice such things are worthy of death, they not only do the same, but also give hearty approval to those who practice them. (Romans 1:20-32)”

As in the case of any sin, none of it is condoned. But there are distinctions in levels of seriousness as it relates to the law, both man’s and God’s. While it can be acknowledged that we’re all sinners (even Christians), it is not allowable for any sin to be justified in continuing to be practiced, openly or not.

The destruction of the cities of Sodom and Gommorah was the Old Testament example of God’s view concerning the same practice as described by the apostle Paul in Romans 1.

Note in the book of Leviticus, given as ordinances to the nation of Israel in the Old Testament, this statement, hardly being a reference to the marriage union God ordained in the beginning:

“If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them. (20:13)”

I pray for her the best but I don't see that as being actively being involved in the practice of of homosexuality (her business of course) in which has become public discussion.


Daniel Malchow   April 25th, 2010 9:01 pm ET

Having the urge or "feelings" of being gay is not sinful just as much as having an urge or feeling to steal something that isn't mine or havng an adulterous affair. It's action carried to fruition that makes it sinful. But, God still loves you...but He wants you to repent too! That's why he forgave the woman/prostitute at the well...he didn't condemn her, but said to her to go and sin NO MORE.

God has set a standard to live our lives by which is HIS Word, the Bible. God created the heavens and the earth and everything in this world and He set the standards. In the Old Testament, Homosexuality was a sin...In the New Testament Jesus came and died on the Cross to save us from our sins, for all our sins. And when He did that, we were set free from the bondage of sin...But, He still has rules to follow. Some of those rules changed after He died on the cross for you...

But, some of those rules remain today. Should we pick and choose those "rules/sins" to seek God in our "own way"? Can you choose to murder someone because you think they shouldn't be on this earth? Can you steal because you think the other person doesn't need it and you need it more? Can you have an affair outside of your marriage? Many of those rules are still in place today...Homosexuality remains a sin in God's eyes...Even after the cross.

He is your creator and He created you to live a life that is pleasing to Him. From a Biological standpoint, God created a man and a woman for each other and not for same-sex relations... If He wanted UniSex He'd have created us that way...but he didn't.

God loves us and in the bible you will read where He commands us to love one another, to be kind, patient, forgiving etc...in other words...all of his "rule's" are not just negative rules but positive rules as well.

And for the critics who condemn a christian or Pastor Bob in this instance of "judging", please remember that you would warn a loved one to stay away from anything that would be harmful or dangerous. If your child, spouse, friend or parent was heading into danger, because of your love for them you'd warn them...Well, God tells/commands us to warn others of those dangers too... there is a big difference in warning vs judging. God is judge...

And just like a child that misbehaves, we love the child but we disapprove of their behavior. Pastor Bob loves Jennifer, but disapproves of her behavior...because God said that behavior of homosexuality was wrong. Pastor Bob showed love.


James   April 25th, 2010 9:48 pm ET

I was raised in a church all my life and I have heard about every pastor I know downgrade and run the "Homosexuals" into the ground like they are trash. The entire time I knew I was gay, I have known since I was 9. So in response to all of the "Christians" on here bashing the "gays" Your no better. Take care of your own self and let those "gays" you are so against take care of themselves. Because in the end those "gays" will be stronger and more united then you ever will. I'm sure you all say your bashing on us in "Love" but I can tell you and would tell you to your face your not. You follow what the generations before you have taught but ignore what is really going on in the world you live in. Most of you work under leaders that are gay and you would never even notice because you are too close minded. I told the pastors who looked me in the eye and told me I was going to hell, that one day we will see. My question is "Will God send me to hell, for LOVING SOMEONE?" if so thats fine, but remember "God is Love!" or at least thats what thousands of "Christians" say... I now attend a Gay Friendly church... a place that sees the true potential in us and doesn't bash us like the rest of the close minded "church go-ers." One day you will see more gay and lesbian couples and it will be the normal way.. what will all of you do when "Straight" becomes the minority?


Tony   April 25th, 2010 11:16 pm ET

Gay Friendly church ? openly gay bishops ? sanctioning gay marriage in a so called ' house ' of God ? The Bible explicitly talks about those who will pick and choose what they like out of scripture and ignore the rest which some of you think God will allow you to do . Man has always tried & failed to discredit God to suit his or her own selfish needs .
We all have sinned , we all have our own afflictions that we deal with , it's HOW we deal with it and continue to obey God's way , the Bible is not a ' buffet ' where you can pick & choose what you like and leave out the rest that you don't . We have been warned thru out time and shown the consequences of our actions , but yet some still act foolish into thinking its ok to do whatever they like and expect God to be cool with it . Your insistence on a perverse lifestyle will never be accepted as ' normal ' not by God , nor his people .....


Roy Koser   April 26th, 2010 1:11 am ET

James, the term bashing is not what I'm all about here. It has to do with the Truth of God's Word in Jesus Christ. The seriousness of sin is what got Adam and Eve put out of the garden under the death penalty.

Jesus came to die so that we might live in an eternal paradise without any more of this that we live with today. What was prophesied in the Old Testament is partially fulfilled until the Second Coming of Jesus where all evil presently with us is done away with.

That is the Christian faith. It is for everyone to choose or reject. "Gays" would not be bashed where I attend but the grace of God is what is taught and offered. Any sinful practice is just that and is not to be condoned.

Behavior modification is brought about by the Love of God in Jesus Christ. Those who reject the Love of God will not allow their behavior to be modified, that is plainly seen by those with their eyes open and not closed to the truth.

In God's grace,


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 26th, 2010 6:13 am ET

@Pastor Bob Leeson April 23rd, 2010 9:39 pm ET

Jennifer is right. The whole question hinges on how one interprets scripture. Pastor Bob and Haggard are literalists in their interpretive method. However, I wish you had invited a biblical scholar who could have demonstrated the problems with this form on interpretation. A non-literal method of interpretation understands that the writings of the Bible also involved the culture and science of that time, including an uninformed view of homosexuality. Those writers thought the world was flat and that homosexuality was a choice, both points of view which we now understand are not true.
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Please show me the scripts in the Bible that says the writers thought the world was flat and that homosexuality was a choice. You need to back this up with the scriptual proof.

I think what you have stated on this, is an example of misinterpretation of what is written in the Bible. You can google information about this which will help in understanding what it means.

I will quote from the Holy Bible (New International Version) –

ISAIAH 40:22

"He sits enthroned above the circle of the earth, and its people are like grasshoppers."

NB – I think the idea that the earth was flat did not come from the Bible originally.

The information I googled below is from the Flat Earth Wikipedia Free Dictionary –

"Various cultures have had conceptions of a flat Earth, such as Babylon, Ancient Egypt, pre-Classical Greece, pre-Classical India and pre-17th century China.

From Greek astronomy, the paradigm of the rotundity of the earth gradually spread around the world supplanting the older cosmological belief in a flat earth.[1][2][3][4]

The false belief that medieval Christianity believed in a flat earth has been referred to as The Myth of the Flat Earth.[5] In 1945, it was listed by the Historical Association (of Britain) as the second of 20 in a pamphlet on common errors in history.[6] The myth that people of the Middle Ages believed that the Earth was flat only entered the popular imagination in the 19th century, thanks largely to the publication of Washington Irving's fantasy The Life and Voyages of Christopher Columbus in 1828.[5]

Although the hypothesis of the flat Earth has long been generally dismissed, there are still occasional modern advocates of the hypothesis."


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 26th, 2010 6:23 am ET

@James April 25th, 2010 9:48 pm ET

I think you are getting mixed up with love and sexuality here, in your comments.

You seem to be confusing the boundaries, sorry. Yes, God is love, but I don't think love can be mistaken for sexuality. Think on it.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 26th, 2010 6:41 am ET

Sorry, no definitely not. Going on the holy scriptures (The Holy Bible).......you cannot be both........you are either one or the other. The two do not fit together. It would be unacceptable to God.

God has stated it.........and if one believes in God.........he has to believe in his word. Otherwise you will only be fooling yourself and probably cannot fool God.


Stacey Fortson   April 26th, 2010 9:19 am ET

What did Jesus say about homosexuality? Nothing. Perhaps all of us should follow His example and quit judging one another. I thought the teaching of Jesus Christ were about loving.


choirgirl   April 26th, 2010 11:36 am ET

The bible is very clear on this
1 Corinthians 6:9
Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders

I will no longer listen to her music because as a Christian you live your life according to God's word not the opposite.


Richard   April 26th, 2010 11:40 am ET

Larry King and Ted Haggard need to be saved.


Gary Young   April 26th, 2010 1:41 pm ET

I watched the program where Jennifer was interviewed about her acknowledgement of being gay. It was interesting to hear her publicly defend her right to live in sin and to surround herself with people who think choosing to live as such is fine. Larry made a point about everyone sinning which is true but no one who has professed Christ as their savior would defend their right to sin but rather acknowledge their sin, ask God's forgiveness and try and repent or change from whatever that sin might be. However, as the Pastor spoke he was quite clear and accurate the ongoing practice of sin is never condoned by God nor is it by the Church which serves to correct us as Christians when we do sin.

Jennifer apparently doesn't care about what God says is right and wrong and it certainly isn't limited to the New Testament. Leviticus speaks loud and clear about men lying "sexually" men and women likewise with women. This is consistent with Romans 1 which elaborates how mankind will in its sin twist the purpose and natural design God ordained for men and women.

Adding Mr Haggard was to effectively encourage Jennifer to find peace wherever she does rather than surrendering one's life to Christ so He can convict a person of their sins. Mr Haggard position of being a pastor at one time is an embarassment as he clearly does not know the Word of God. While we are to love the sinner we are never to love the sin.

It should also be noted that apparently sin or types of sins seem to carry greater weight with God. For example, while gossip is a sin, murder involves greater consequences such as taking a person's life and in so doing face capital punishment. Likewise, Homosexuality is what had taken total control of the cities of Sodom & Gomorrah and
apparently God saw fit to destroy those cities for the decadence it had descended to. Like water seeking its lowest level, Sin, if left unchecked will follow the same pattern, finding ways to pervert God's laws and rationalizing it.

Jennifer obviously feels comfortable about her sexual orientation being now outside the boundaries God has clearly set for believers back in Genesis. And if you find people who will condone your lifestyle, of course, one will gravitate to such groups regardless of whether they fail to meet God's standard of righteousness. "Misery loves company."

Pastor Botsford presented a loving Christ-like attitude in trying to correct Jennifer but as the Word of God says, "Man loves his sin and will not come to light, lest his deeds be reproved."

And Pastor acknowledged his lover for her in praying for her. I know when my life has been off-course spiritually it was wonderful knowing I had a mother who faithfully prayed for the Lord to guide me back on course. I trust the Holy Spirit will convict her she is headed in the wrong direction, no matter how many people try to endorse her choice, Mr Haggard especially.

The only thing missing on Larry's show was a person who was once homosexual and has been convicted of it and repented by the Holy
Spirit. That person may have been of some help to her in seeing how wrong it is and how one can change and needs to change.


Douglas Leander   April 26th, 2010 2:19 pm ET

It is untrue to say that Jesus never mentioned homosexuality. He definitely refers to sexual immorality and fornication, and since He was a Jew, the definitions of these terms would be found in the Law of Moses, specifically Leviticus chapters 18 and 20.
The bottom line is that Jesus died for our sins, and all of us are sinners. I am guilty of many of the sins listed in God's word, but I am cleansed and forgiven by the blood of Jesus. How sad that some people, even Christians, want to deny their sins, and reject their opportunity for salvation.


Laura   April 26th, 2010 3:45 pm ET

I found it sad how Larry formatted this show with Ted Haggard being portrayed as some kind of benevolent judge dispensing the final word of authority on the subject. He is not the final authority on interpreting God's Word by any means. Pastor Bob was awesome to come onto a show he knew would be formatted to portray him as negatively as possible – with Larry allowing Jennifer to interrrupt and keep Pastor Bob from finishing his statements and Larry himself trying to trip up Pastor Bob but not sending any hard questions Jennifer's way – no moderate mediator in sight on this segment! Thanks for giving Jennifer a very public forum to reveal her homosexuality. Now so many more Christians will be informed than there were before this aired and more people will be able to knowingly choose whether or not to buy her music anymore.


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Ruth Thomas   April 26th, 2010 4:38 pm ET

Larry, homosexuality and lesbian is an abomination according to the Word of God. I honestly don't think you have had Pastors on the show who are willing to say exactly what God's Word says. Two men nor two women can be fruitful and multiply. I pray someone will come on your show that will tell you the truth without any fear of retribution or acceptance by society. Our country has, for the most part, turned its back on the God of Creation. I pray you get this comment. Pastor Ruth Thomas, Chattanooga, Tennessee


Jake   April 26th, 2010 6:32 pm ET

I had never heard of this gal before watching LK but know for certain that I will not be buying any of her music. If she said she was struggling with the SIN of practicing her lesbianism, I'd give her the benefit of doubt, but she's trying to tell the world that it's ok in Gods eyes when His word says its wrong in many passages. Yes it says not to judge BUT it also says to know the WORD so we can live accordingly with the Holy Spirits help. If I see someone murder someone, am I judging when I say that it's wrong?! What makes anyone here, who says we're judging by hating the sin of homosexual living, the authority of what to take from the Bible as truth and what not? Ted Haggart was a joke, stood for nothing to save his image, feeling guilty Ted?


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 6:53 pm ET

"Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?" To the young man who asked this question, Jesus answers first by invoking the necessity to recognize God as the "One there is who is good," as the supreme Good and the source of all good. Then Jesus tells him: "If you would enter life, keep the commandments." And he cites for his questioner the precepts that concern love of neighbor: "You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother." Finally Jesus sums up these commandments positively: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

If you are calling your neighbor sinful and condemning him based on something that does not appear in the 10 commandments (which is the only true directive of our Lord),"are you loving your neighbor as yourself?"

I am passionate about this because gay youth has the highest rate of suicide because of the misapplication of faith. You are calling them sinful based on the bigoted scriptures of MAN. Can any of you even imagine how traumatizing this could be? The Lord forewarned of this type of misuse in the commandments. He saw the danger, why don't you?

ANYONE who plays innocent or ignorant and allows this to continue, without correction, has blood on their hands.

The next time you hear of a gay christian youth committing suicide, realize that you could have done something to try to prevent it.

Take your preacher aside and request him not to use the Lord's name to spread the bigotry of MAN. God and Jesus never said anything anti-gay. Therefore, a true follower can refrain from this hate speech with confidence.

If he tries to sell you on "ex-gay" groups remind him that they have no recognizable success rate and that their suicide rates are staggering (especially for youth forced into them by mislead parents).

The only solution is to not let the hate spread, especially when they are the hateful words of MAN wrongfully called the words of the Lord.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 6:55 pm ET

Exodus 20
The Ten Commandments
1 And God spoke all these words:

2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 "You shall have no other gods before [a] me.

4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

To quote hateful MANSPEAK as GODSPEAK is to "misuse(s) his name."

God asked of you not to commit this sin in his commandments.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 7:01 pm ET

April 26th, 2010 3:41 pm ET

Jesse-

God said on handing down the 10 Commandments to Moses to "separate" all that followed using the 10 Commandments as your sole key and guide.

I am not doing this to suit my purposes.

I am doing this to remind people why God sent us his only true guidance in the commandments. He pre-warned of the misuse of his name.

The confusion in the faith comes from muddling MAN's words with GOD'S words. The commandments are the only true words of the Lord and he commanded us to focus primarily on them. To focus elsewhere is idolatry, which is another commandment sin.

God in his devine wisdom foresaw this and alerted us to the key to filter off this hateful confusion.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 7:12 pm ET

To all those quoting the bible-

The bible is the scriptures of MAN and they are not the word of the Lord.

God commanded that we follow the 10 Commandments as our guide to help us through any confusion.

He speaks clearly to his message being misused in the Commandments and when this happens it is a dual sin of of idolatry and blasphemy. He in is infinite wisdom tried to prevent this.

Homosexuality is never mentioned in the Commandments which are the only true words of our Lord.

If you believe that the bible is the clear message of the Lord (which he pre-warned us it is not) you must:

Believe women are lesser humans.

Believe in slavery and that Blacks are not human at all.

and

Put your child to death if they ever curse at you.

When the bible talks directly to the Commandments you should listen.

However, when it strays into the hateful speech of MAN, for only MAN is the author of the scriptures, God commanded you in the 10 Commandments to not to misuse his message of Love for HATE.

To deny this is to deny that the 10 Commandments is the true message of our Lord.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 7:36 pm ET

Important Note:

In the bible it is only a MAN saying that the scriptures are the words of the Lord.

In the Commandments God states that they are his only true words and that every thing that follows should be questioned if it strays from these commands.

What it comes down to is who's word are you going to take God's or Man's?

I am going with the words of the God of Love and rejecting the hateful words of Man.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 8:06 pm ET

A Revelation:

Reading the bible in some ways is like trying to watch CNN, MSNBC and FOX news at the same time.

A basic rule of Journalism is that to clear up any confusion you go back to the original source.

That is what God asked us to do in the Commandments.

He commanded that they should be used as his only true word and be used as a key to prevent any misinterpretation. God knew he might be libeled but in this case it is blasphemy to use God's words to spread MAN'S HATE..


Jake   April 26th, 2010 8:33 pm ET

Gary, there's a big difference in people living in sin and justifying it or lying at times when you didn't plan to, not like a conscious choice to keep a sinful lifestyle after receiving Christ as Saviour. You're twisting truth. Pastor Bob, you were great for as much as you were trying to say without interruptions. LK is an athiest so he's not too kind to people who quote the Bible. That's why he liked what Ted said more than you. Ted is not a repentant sinner in my books but God will judge him, not me.


pegasian   April 27th, 2010 1:24 am ET

Deuteronomy 4
Moses Urges Israel to Obey
1 "And now, Israel, listen carefully to these decrees and regulations that I am about to teach you. Obey them so that you may live, so you may enter and occupy the land that the LORD, the God of your ancestors, is giving you." 2 Do not add to or subtract from these commands I am giving you. Just obey the commands of the LORD your God that I am giving you.


hans   April 27th, 2010 8:01 am ET

after watching the entire show, I feel that Larry did not give enough space for Pastor Bob to speak. It was as if Larry really didn't want an answer but instead wanted to corner the Pastor and it looked like three against one. All of Larry's questions were not really looking for an answer.


Laura   April 27th, 2010 2:57 pm ET

I agree with you completely, Hans! Mainstream media deserves their reputation as being completely biased and no longer serving the poeple to dispense just the facts without a slant or outright deceitful interpretation nor do both sides of an issue get presented completely – if that was truly Larry's intent to be a real "newsman" he would have let Pastor Bob finish his sentences! Obviously, Larry panders to his mainly liberal audience to get ratings so he colors his shows with his liberal interpretation of an issue while pretending to be neutral. Very disappointing as so many who watch him aren't discerning that they are being fed propaganda when the
"neutral" host isn't really neutral and slants the show to present only one side of an argument fully and fairly and cuts off the other opinion. It'd be so refreshing if hosts would just admit where they personally stand on an issue instead of pretending to be neutral and then undermine every way possible any guest with whom they personally disagree.


Jason   April 27th, 2010 4:45 pm ET

As Christians, we are called to "speak the Truth in love" (Ephesians 4:15). I want to portray that in my post here so I ask that all read with an open mind & emotions collected. I have no reason to doubt that there are many homosexual people that say they are Christians. Problem with this is, homosexuality is a sin (Genesis 19:1-13; Leviticus 18:22; 20:13; Romans 1:26-27; 1 Corinthians 6:9). But the good news is, we've been forgiven by the blood of Jesus!! It was stated in the interview from Ms. Knapp, (loose paraphrase) "What's the difference between homosexuality & all other sin, i.e. wrath, cheating, stealing, etc...?" There really is no difference, sin is sin. Simply stated, you and I are to repent of our sins daily because there is no getting around sin, we are born into sin & there is no one who is righteous before God (Romans 3:10). For those who don't really understand the word "Repent", it simply means to forsake ourselves and turn to God. We are given the gift of free will from our Heavenly Father because He wants relationships, not robots. Ms. Knapp along with every living person has the right to choose, gay or straight, but according to the Word of God, willfully sinning and not whole heartedly repenting will lead to hell.

"Jesus answered, 'I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me'." (John 14:6).

"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. Many will say to me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' Then I will tell them plainly, 'I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!'" (Matthew 7:21-23).

"Repent, then, and turn to God, so that your sins may be wiped out, that times of refreshing may come from the Lord." (Acts 3:19).

"I tell you that in the same way there will be more rejoicing in heaven over one sinner who repents than over ninety-nine righteous persons who do not need to repent. (Luke 15:7)

We have the freedom to choose, I pray that you choose a relationship with Jesus Christ. God Bless!


Eddie   April 27th, 2010 9:53 pm ET

Be a Watchman!
In Acts 20, the apostle Paul gives his final words to the leaders in the church of Ephesus. In doing so, he describes the Christian life in a number of ways: a runner in a race, a steward, a witness, and a herald.

Let's look at one final picture: the watchman.

Paul says, "Therefore I testify to you this day that I am innocent of the blood of all men" (Acts 20:26 NKJV).

What does it mean when Paul says he is "innocent of the blood of all men?"

In the book of Ezekiel, the Lord impresses on His servant the importance of his role:
Son of man, I have appointed you as a watchman for Israel. Whenever you receive a message from me, pass it on to the people immediately. If I warn the wicked, saying, "You are under the penalty of death," but you fail to deliver the warning, they will die in their sins. And I will hold you responsible, demanding your blood for theirs. (Ezekiel 3:17-18 NLT)
In ancient times, cities would have large walls around them to offer much-needed protection. On those walls would be towers that would be even taller.

There, the watchman would position himself to keep an eye out for any potential dangers. For instance, if an enemy army was approaching, the watchmen would have the trumpet sounded to warn the people.

What a serious calling it was to have this role. The watchman had to stay awake and alert, paying careful attention. He had to be faithful, not fearful, because the safety of many people rested with him.

This is the most sobering of the terms Paul uses here in Acts 20, showing that the sharing of the gospel is not something we are to do in a casual manner, or when we are "in the mood." This is something of extreme importance.

In the same way, we are to be watchmen too. We as Christians are all called to lovingly warn our friends if we see them in any spiritual danger. This would not only be those who do not yet know the Lord, but also Christian friends who might be misled or overtaken by a sin.

The apostle Paul wrote to the believers in the church of Galatia and said, "Dear friends, if a Christian is overcome by some sin, you who are godly should gently and humbly help that person back onto the right path. And be careful not to fall into the same temptation yourself" (Galatians 6:1 NLT).

Let's all seek to be faithful watchmen in our world today.


Dodie   April 28th, 2010 2:47 am ET

@ pegasian

You said: The bible is the scriptures of MAN and they are not the word of the Lord

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Well stated. Thank You
My eyes glaze over when I read one cut and paste after another of scripture. No original thought.


pegasian   April 28th, 2010 3:12 am ET

Dodie_

I cut and pasted too. In the bible itself it says only the Commandments are the word of our Lord. God forewarned us of this, on handing them down to Moses, that nothing else must be seen as his message.

Deuteronomy 4
Moses Urges Israel to Obey
1 "And now, Israel, listen carefully to these decrees and regulations that I am about to teach you. Obey them so that you may live, so you may enter and occupy the land that the LORD, the God of your ancestors, is giving you." 2 Do not add to or subtract from these commands I am giving you. Just obey the commands of the LORD your God that I am giving you.

God, being all knowing, knew that MAN might try to turn his message to hate, To quote the bible as God's scriptures when they are the scripture of Man are two commandment sins against GOD:

1,) Idolatry

2.) Blasphemy.

However, to tell the truth might lose these preachers their flock and (shock) focus and God's message of LOVE.


Suthrn32   April 28th, 2010 1:01 pm ET

I am gay and I love Jesus.....I just hate his ultra-conservative fan club!


Dodie   April 28th, 2010 2:12 pm ET

@ Suthrn32

This must create a conflict within you. To have the same belief as others who do not accept the "gay" factor.

My hope is one can find a group that not only supports their belief but also their life style


pegasian   April 28th, 2010 2:33 pm ET

Suthrn-

God is fine with your being gay. It is part of his divine plan. He gave it to you as a gift. Only the Man's scriptures call it a sin out of the usual fear and hate. He warned of this misuse of his message in the Commandments. You have a brave and beautiful heart that holds on to your faith and to God I am certain you are all the more beautiful.


Alicia   April 28th, 2010 3:12 pm ET

I wept after watching this. Wept because of the mockery being made of Christ and His Truth. I also prayed for Pastor Bob b/c Larry was so unfair to him. He was persecuted for the sake of Jesus and no, he did not judge Jennifer. One day every knee will bow and the truth will be known. Pastor Bob did have a responsibility to stand up and tell his flock the truth and other believers in Christ. I always liked Jennifers music and still do but I think she is in a grave situation. Get ready for more persecution Church..


penchu   April 28th, 2010 5:02 pm ET

God is not fine with her being gay any more than he is fine with me and my sin. i look at things this way, sin is sin no matter what it is, no sin is bigger than another, but after hearing this news there was a song of jennifers that stuck in my head, and a line from the song is this: to each his own wont lead you home... i would like to know what she was thinking when she sang those words, and what was meant by them if not the obvious?


pegasian   April 28th, 2010 10:23 pm ET

I know the truth of God and his warning in the 10 Commandments. I don't get lost in the ancient Hate of Man in the scriptures. The 10 Commandments is the only true word of our Lord and he warned us not to base our faith on anything else or we are all sinners. And remember commandment sins are a direct sin against the Lord.

April 28th, 2010 3:12 am ET

Dodie_

I cut and pasted too. In the bible itself it says only the Commandments are the word of our Lord. God forewarned us of this, on handing them down to Moses, that nothing else must be seen as his message.

Deuteronomy 4
Moses Urges Israel to Obey
1 "And now, Israel, listen carefully to these decrees and regulations that I am about to teach you. Obey them so that you may live, so you may enter and occupy the land that the LORD, the God of your ancestors, is giving you." 2 Do not add to or subtract from these commands I am giving you. Just obey the commands of the LORD your God that I am giving you.

To say this is a lie is to say God himself is a lier and not the God of Love.


Gabriel   May 1st, 2010 1:50 pm ET

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I need to give Jennifer a gift after the tunnel vision she endured on your show.
This Pastor Botsford is not aware that there are two classes of Christians: The meek will inherit the Earth in the 2nd resurrection, those that Jesus made a covenant for a Kingdom (Luke 22:28)) will be resurrected incorporeally in the 1st resurrection. "Men lying with men," is forbidden and even marriage is debated, of those to be resurrected to be "kings and priest for a thousand years with Christ" because they are to live as those spirit beings even while still living on Earth, it only applies to them that "they neither marry or are given in marriage" as in incorporeal has no need of it. Levitical Law is not Christian. Keep in mind the scriptures after the "Gospels" are written by and for those that are to be resurrected a incorporeal beings (1 Corinthians 7:34).

This is the wisdom that ends the argument for her: The meek will inherit the Earth and marry whom they wish, the resurrected incorporeally "are neither married or given in marriage."

"The meek and I" is a song she needs to write to heal and grow.


Jeff   May 2nd, 2010 9:31 pm ET

Remember the words of Paul, " You, therefore, have no excuse, you who pass judgment on someone else, for at whatever point you judge the other, you are condemning yourself, because you who pass judgment do the same things.

First being gay is not about a lifestyle. If there is a gay lifestyle then there has to be a Christian lifestyle, a republican lifestyle etc... Being gay is just that one who for whatever reason is attracted to others of the same sex. So often like here you have so called Christians who spew their ideas and beliefs like they have the truth and they speak for God. As the interview went the pastor does not have any voice in Jennifer's life and so he needs to not speak about her for he has no voice in who and what she is. For many one can not be gay and Christian and I do understand for I believed that for 20 plus years. But now my eyes have been opened and I know that God loves and even likes his gay children like me.

Use scripture to bible beat me and others all you want but all you will do is further alienate people from the living God. And I know that many of you will rationalize your beliefs and stand "firm in the faith" but one day we all will see who actually really tries to live out the heart of God to the world.


CJF   May 3rd, 2010 2:39 am ET

I'm baffled on how so many think in the church that it is ok to be homosexual and be Christian at the same time. How can u serve both God and the world? It is not possible, Matthew 12:30 states "He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. It is Biblically not correct to claim that you are both Christian and Gay. In the book of Revelation, John states in Chapter 3:14-15, “And to the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write,
‘These things says the Amen, the Faithful and True Witness, the Beginning of the creation of God: “I know your works, that you are neither cold nor hot. I could wish you were cold or hot. So then, because you are lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will vomit you out of My mouth. " it continues in verse 19 by stating, "Those whom I love I rebuke and discipline. So be earnest, and repent. Here I am! I stand at the door and knock. If anyone hears my voice and opens the door, I will come in and eat with him, and he with me. " So if you know you are straying away form God repent. Im not hear to judge, it is not my place, when one begins to judge, they are taking God's role. Pastor Bob did an excellent job. Questions were asked by both jennifer and larry and Bob answered back straight from the Bible.


CJF   May 3rd, 2010 2:48 am ET

to : pegasian

how do you believe that the 10 commandments are the only word of God.


marcus   May 5th, 2010 3:16 am ET

well anyone can call himself or herself a christian, or say that they are christian.christianity is a religion. a true christian is one that reconizes that he/she is a sinner(life style) and ask God for forgivence,and ask jesus to enter into there heart, but thats a choose that someone makes only with God. so there has to be a change(on life style) of theheart in that person,and truly believes that christ is there saver.because he die for there sins. the heart is deceitful above all things,and desperately wicked: who can know it??


CJF   May 6th, 2010 2:55 am ET

marcus

i agree with you. christianity is devoting yourself in following Christ . we are told to give all of ourselves to Christ. you can not have both homosexuality and christ. you cant serve two things. God despise those who are lukewarm, it says it in Revelation. God states those who are lukewarm he vomits out of His mouth. they give false testimony to people around them. This is the issue with the whole emerging church era that is getting popular by the day. As seen in this blog. God commands us to love Him with all our heart mind and soul, and to love our neighbor as ourself. we cannot be in full loving relationship with God if sin is between us and are ignoring it to please ourselves. Yes, we need to love on homosexuals, but we cannot accept their practices. homosexuality goes against God's nature


Gabriel   May 7th, 2010 6:07 am ET

@Marcus.
Those are disgusting misquotes.
It's like saying people who are married are all fornicators;
they put their spouse above God, they are lukewarm,
married people will be "vomited out" of Jesus' mouth.
You reasoning is cross-eyed: You are fanatically incapable
of seeing that every criticism you make of gays can be pointed
at married people, not all criticism, just your blind criticism.
You write as though you are not a sinner, and you would
have to be perfect and not need Jesus to say that.
Not accepting Gay relationships is like not accepting marriage.
Adam and Eve went against "God's nature" that's why they died;
but they were not homosexuals, how conveniently you ignore that. Marriage is important in of itself and no one can put aside the reasoning of Paul who said marry to avoid fornication (1 Corinthians 7). Saint. Peter had a mother-in-law ( Luke 4:38), and the Catholic church forbids marriage of priests(1 Timothy 4:1,3), and so I deduce you are looking for the devil in the wrong place.
Jesus said he who is without sin cast the first stone, and you dare to pick up stones; I can well imagine when the time comes you will be surprised you gets stoned. Those that are stumbling others get thrown into hell / Gehenna (Matthew 13:41-42).


CJF   May 7th, 2010 6:18 pm ET

you can not justify homosexuality as correct or tolerable. Show me where in the Bible that it say homosexuality is ok . What happened at Sodom and Gomorah? We are not juding homosexuals. you need to get that clear and stop being hard headed. oNLY GoD CAN JUDGE. we are simply just quoting the Bible


Jeannie   May 8th, 2010 8:54 am ET

I am gay and Christian...I am proud and I know that the Father, Jesus and the Holy Spirit (the all encompassing God) bless my marriage of two years to someone of the same sex. Two years of marriage, six years of love...God is good.


Gabriel   May 9th, 2010 4:56 am ET

@CJF
Another ignorant misquote, Lot offered his daughters to the mob of men, not a mob of lesbians; Sodom & Gomorah was about rampant fornication: homosexual fornication, heterosexual fornication, bestiality.

"Even as Sodom and Gomorrah, and the cities about them, having in like manner with these given themselves over to fornication and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example, suffering the punishment of eternal fire." – Jude 1:7 (American Standard Version)

You can never call marriage or include in marriage "going after strange flesh" because we are human. And what is ignorant about your reasoning is that you lump marriage minded gays with fornicating gays, suggesting that you are favorable to fornicating heterosexuals.
I would not be surprised to learn that you are a fornicator trying to make him/herself feel more important by putting down gays.

49.‘Now this was the sin of your sister Sodom: She and her daughters were arrogant, overfed and unconcerned; they did not help the poor and needy. 50 They were haughty and did detestable things before me. Therefore I did away with them as you have seen" – Ezekiel 16:49,50.

I feel confident that if you fail in the same way you will suffer the same fate, Jesus or not, because you have dared to make the comparison, and to judge as though it was give to you (Matthew 7:1).


CJF   May 10th, 2010 2:34 am ET

I have made it clear, I am not judging homosexuals. I am simply just stating what the Bibles declares, and homosexuality goes against God's nature. If God would have modeled marriage to be as of the same sex, why wasnt it demonstrated in the Bible? Why did God decide to create Eve, a woman, for Adam instead of another man? Genesis 2:24 commands, "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh." I am showing what the Bible declares. Not misquotes. Looking back at Ezekial 16:46-47 "Your elder sister is Samaria, who dwells with her daughters to the north of you; and your younger sister, who dwells to the south of you, is Sodom and her daughters. You did not walk in their ways nor act according to their abominations; but as id that were too little, you became more corrupt than they in all your ways." Most Importantly 1 Corinthians 6:9 clearly states, " Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."


bobbie cornett   May 13th, 2010 6:32 am ET

I'm sure "gay"/// homosexuals can change, if they get that demonic spirit cast out of them. A homosexual is possessed with a demon. This is a demon. People don't realize this. Those people, like this girl and Haggard, need help. She's now attempting to return....for the money and all. But that demon she has will resurface with a vengence. and she will make everybody ashamed...unless she chill, sit back under a saved preacher, listen, learn and change. Or, go directly to the Lord and ask Him to cast the demon out.


bobbie cornett   May 13th, 2010 6:40 am ET

America is quickly turning into Sodom and Gormorrah. Homosexaulity is a controlling demonic spirit, that needs to be cast out.


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