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April 23, 2010

Christian Singer Jennifer Knapp Comes Out

Posted: 03:09 PM ET

By Emily Drabinski
via advocate.com

Award-winning Christian pop singer Jennifer Knapp discusses her return to music from a soul-searching hiatus and reveals how she reconciled her spiritual life with her sexuality.  

When Jennifer Knapp settles in for coffee and a conversation in a midtown Manhattan apartment, a surprising Australian drawl comes tripping out of her mouth. “Do I really?” she laughs when I tell her she sounds Aussie-born and bred, even though she has roots in Kansas and music ties that are thoroughly Nashville. “I’m easing back into my Southern drawl,” she says with a laugh, but she’s not quite there yet.

The accent is earned — Knapp spent much of the past eight years living in Sydney, traveling through the outback “when I needed to be in touch with the earth.” In September 2002, Knapp, now 33, walked away from her career as a million-record-selling, multiple-Dove-award winning Christian singer-songwriter. On the lineup of the first Lilith Fair, she had crossover appeal even then, though her name is most indelibly known to the fans of “Jesus music.”

The rumors dogged her then as they dog her now. They said Jennifer Knapp canceled all her gigs and sold every inch of gear save one acoustic guitar because she was a lesbian. She stopped answering her e-mail, going months without talking even to her mother or her manager, because she was a lesbian. She dropped out of sight because she was a lesbian. And now, poised to release her first studio album in years, Jennifer Knapp is ready to face those rumors.

Turns out they’re true: Jennifer Knapp is a lesbian.

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Cajazz76:24:8   April 23rd, 2010 3:36 pm ET

Haven't heard much of her, but from the above blog she appears to have licked her fear of being a lesbian. I don't know how that floats with a lisp and a southern drawl and singing to high heavens about Jesus. Butt once you get past the smell of unrighteous publicity the rest is gravy.


gerald Jolly   April 23rd, 2010 3:54 pm ET

Yup, just what we need right now.

We've examined drug addiction.

We've examined Jewish motherhood.

We've examined the terror in Alaska where a person associated with the deadliest catch severely broke the law by not appearing and upsconding on a $500 dollar bond.

We've examined the pro-con of religion by the creator of Family guy.

I think it's about time to examine lesbianism and gayness.

These are all very important issues, certainly far more important than JOBS, the ECONOMY, THE LOSS OF HOMES AND 41K's THE SLAUGHTER OF OUR YOUNG in Afghanistan and Iraq, Bank fraud by the greedy executives at Goldman Sachs, anarchists accusing our President of not being a born in America American. Legalization of Marijuana, instead of incarcerating people for (SO-CALLED) crimes against the people, and putting these extremely dangerous people in prison for years at a cost to the tax payers of more than $40 thousand dollars a year for each person, annual total of this stupidy costing into the billions of dollars.

YUP IT'S TIME TO DISCUSS LESBIANISM LARRY.

YUP THAT'S WHAT WE NEED "RIGHT NOW"


JD   April 23rd, 2010 3:54 pm ET

Jennifer Knapp is one of the most talented and honest musicians and writers I have ever heard. She has shown intelligence, charm, and grace as she has has dealt with the direction she would like her career to take. It is difficult to be a private person in a public profession.

Her ability to connect with her fans through her music is legendary. As much as a blessing as that can seem, I am sure it also felt confining and stagnating.

JK, so glad you are happy and healthy, and wanting to share your art with us again. We are honored. Will be in Orlando for the June 4 show...a perfect weekend, a little JK, a little Disney. Rock on, girl!


m b   April 23rd, 2010 4:01 pm ET

I'm an atheist, but good for her!


Smith in Oregon   April 23rd, 2010 4:12 pm ET

As a resident of Sidney, Australia this singer, Jennifer Knapp knows first hand how disastrous a deep water Oil spill can be to thousands of square miles on Australia's beautiful coastlines.

Yep, a similar deep water Oil Rig blowout which resulted in a massive fire and a fractured deep water Oil field pipe poured out some 9 MILLION gallons of crude oil onto Australia's coast lines, fouling up some 10,000 SQUARE MILES across the Ocean there. This deep water burned out rig is in 8,000 feet of water, vs 5,000 feet at the current Fire and collapsed Oil Rig in the Gulf of Mexico.

There seems to be a lot of confusion or utter propaganda on this latest deep water Oil Rig fire and spill. A un-named Admiral that is being constantly 'quoted' is stating 'no crude oil is leaking from the actual drill site'. BS, even in this blog article the amount pouring out is 8,000 barrels every 24 hours.

Instead News Media is being manipulated into focusing on the contained Diesel Spill that was stored on the Rig to power its equipment (700,000 gallons total). Apparently News Media and the viewers do not realize the Diesel Fuel is very easily broken down with oil spill applicants like simple detergent which helps to quickly dissolve it.

Crude Oil however is much more difficult to dissolve and break down. News Media is being misdirected about the horrible problem that is growing 5,000 beneath the Ocean's surface with each and everyday at that deep water Oil field.

The problem is far beneath the surface at the drill head leading into that Oil field. As Sea Water pours down into that Oil field, Crude Oil is pushed and forced out into the Ocean. This particular drill head is 5,000 feet beneath the surface and is likely sheltered from any possible repair by hundreds of tons of scrap steel formally known as the Trans-Oceanic drilling platform collapsed on top of it!!!

The great Ocean pressure is likely to pour down into that Oil field and flush out millions of barrels of Crude Oil into the Ocean and there is very little if anything that can now be done to prevent that from occurring.

A very similar situation as previously mentioned, exists offshore in Australia which has poured out some 9 Million gallons of Crude Oil, Exxon Valdez dumped some 12 Million gallons of Crude Oil in comparison. The foreign company owning that burned out rig has repeatedly tried and failed to repair the broken deep sea well pipe some 8,000 feet beneath the surface. That particular mess has produced a oil spill spreading some 9,000 square miles!!!

The extreme Ocean pressures encountered with these deep water Oil wells really leaves no margin for the eventual well head failure or fractured well pipes. The Ocean pours into these Oil fields forcing out all of its contents in one gigantic oil spill and oil slick that stretches thousands of square miles fouling everything it touches.

To all the Drill baby Drill zombies out there, deep Ocean depths leave you with absolutely ZERO MARGIN for ERRORs and with Oil Wells you occasionally have broken well pipes, fractures in the well head and errors that result in the immense Ocean pressure flooding into the deep Sea Oil field which pours that crude oil out into the Ocean.

At these extreme depths (3,000' – 30,000' Ocean Depths), repairs are very difficult if not nearly impossible to implement depending on the well head condition or the well pipe fractures and the extreme Ocean depths involved.


DAVID   April 23rd, 2010 4:21 pm ET

THE KING JAMES BIBLE, WRITTEN MANY MOONS AGO, IS CLEAR ON THE SUBJECT
GALATIANS 5:19-21 SUMS UP ALL SIN, WITHOUT REPENTANCE
AND TURNING AWAY FROM THE ACT, WILL LAND YOU ON THE WRONG SIDE OF GODS JUDGMENT IN THE FINAL COMING OF JESUS CHRIST THE KING.
HER SOUL SEARCHING MUST NOT HAVE INCLUDED GOD, MAYBE THE CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY, BECAUSE THE CONCLUSIVE
ANSWER FALLS ON THE REALM OPPOSITE OF LIGHT AND
HOLY SPIRIT. LIVE ON GIRL, YOUR CHOICE IS BETWEEN YOU AND GOD.


dj   April 23rd, 2010 4:32 pm ET

Larry, I am a christian and no where in the new testament does Christ say anything (in red text) about gays or homosexuality. I think if it was such a damnation Christ would have addressed the subject. If all the right wing has is the old testament then why are they not Jewish. If they think i am going to hell then i will see them there for the ones who eat pork.

Sincerely DJ


Altair Dematos   April 23rd, 2010 4:47 pm ET

Of course a person can be gay and christian. There is only one religion in which sinners are reconciled to God, by the blood of Christ in the cross, and not by his or her work. Gays, prostitutes, drug addicts, criminals, are all invited to churches. However, for clerical position such as priests, elders, ushers, etc, a person can not be gay. It is a requirement from 1 timothy 3:1. Altair, Florida


Matthew   April 23rd, 2010 4:53 pm ET

I moved from Spartanburg to Nashville, Tenn., about three years ago.

I am a gay male, and I am a Christian. God comes first in my life and always will. Being gay is what I am. It is not the total sum of who or what I am all about, and it does not define every moment of my life. I am very spiritually centered and try to live life with a high code of conduct and respect for all human life. I'm working on improving my health and state of mind as I progress in years.

We should all try to illuminate a message of hope and love toward one another, as Christ did while he was here on Earth. Mercy is extending your heart and hand to whomever may be in need. Love and life are truly the greatest gifts that we receive.

Many young people have taken their lives because they struggled daily with their sexuality. I know I tried, but I was lucky. I had too many people who love me, and most of all God loves me. I don't understand why I am gay. I have just learned to accept it and move on.

If this or any ministry is going to focus on changing those who are in such need of change, why not work to address deadbeat dads, married couples having affairs, those who gossip, or gluttony? Help people to love thy neighbor instead of killing them, stealing, etc.

What about how much money the ministries spends to spread hate? How many people could it have fed or helped with their heating bill? I will pray for all the ministries in on this. May God bless you.


Connie   April 23rd, 2010 5:05 pm ET

Good for you Jennifer, it's too bad that we still live in a society where a person can be killed for being gay, loose their job or livelihood, friends, family and more when they no longer choose to hide their true identity. My prayers and best wishes are with you Jennifer.


Christian At Large   April 23rd, 2010 5:18 pm ET

Smith – what does an oil spill have to do with Jennifer? Strange venue.

Bob B- Proclaim the word of the Lord, let people know they need the Lord to be on the Throne of thier life and not thier sexual life, drugs, drinking, porn or anyother sinful distraction that leads the world away from Jesus.

The truth will set you free-Jesus is Lord and we all need him! End.


Jesse   April 23rd, 2010 5:22 pm ET

I think the question to ask that makes more sense should be .....
"Can you be Gay and a Christian Fundalmentalist" ?
Then the answer to that is probably "no".


Jude Okney   April 23rd, 2010 5:30 pm ET

It has bothered me for years that gay men are referred to as "gay men," or "he's gay" (a simple adjective), while lesbian women are referred to as "A lesbian," or "she's A lesbian," which is an insidiously powerful social separation messaage. I believe this must contribute to the difficulties and anguish lived by your guest and many other lesbian women.

I have noted that our country has at least grown enough recently to use the word "lesbian" in public discourse instead of referring to all homosexual people as "gay."

I fear for my country because we clearly need the unfettered contributions that can be provided by all of our people, who are our greatest resource.

Although it is irrelevant, I am a 58 year old woman who is and always has been straight.


IKHAN   April 23rd, 2010 6:37 pm ET

@gerald Jolly
on the mark.
Do we have time for all this? Besides the issues that you mentioned one event of great importance to American tax payers id unfolding in Washington unnoticed by us thanks to the media.
2011 US budget is before the House Appropriation Committee & a $3 billion military aid is proposed for Israel. Previously this used to go thry without discussion, conditions or the requirement to report on spending. The Export of Arms Act was ignored also which that state violates routinely.
Now the American tax payers who would pay out this money have no say in the matter. Those on the Hill who care more about that country than America & the lobbies make sure it stays that way.
Isn't it time that we change this?


Stuart Ledman   April 23rd, 2010 6:40 pm ET

I am gay and I wouldn't want to be a "christain" because they are just hypocrits and don't resemble anything that Christ promoted. Whether he existed or not they don't even come close to the principles he espoused.


teresa, oh   April 23rd, 2010 6:42 pm ET

I'm glad the gal is back and I could care less about her being a lesbian, but really, REALLY, does Larry need to take us on her journey to self-discovery and coming out of the closet?

and this has me really confused: "They said Jennifer Knapp canceled all her gigs and sold every inch of gear save one acoustic guitar because she was a lesbian. She stopped answering her e-mail, going months without talking even to her mother or her manager, because she was a lesbian. She dropped out of sight because she was a lesbian." what in the world did ANY of that have with her being a lesbian???

I'm not mowing the lawn tomorrow, due to my sexuality, which I wont tell anyone.... And dont call me either, I wont answer the phone. I'm selling all my stuff too..... She was ONE confused gal and I am glad to see she is back on track with her music career and at peace with herself : )


todd   April 23rd, 2010 7:23 pm ET

I thought that I woke up today in the 1950's when I heard about the topic of tonight's show. Why is it even news? Who cares? She is blessed with a beautiful voice and happens to be gay. God Bless her and everyone brave enough to follow suit. I can't believe personally that there are people even out there that would be bothered by this. The old argument of homosexuality being a sin is so laughable. It is, I take it, as if God made a mistake?


Joe G. (Illinois)   April 23rd, 2010 7:52 pm ET

Carrie Prejean Christian.. Borak Obama Christian.. Everybody a Christian. Who else? Who else is a Christian?

Christians are those who fallow into the steps of Jesus Christ.. If you don’t fear God, if you don’t love God that should tell you that you don’t know him.


pk nash   April 23rd, 2010 8:25 pm ET

Are there countless more important topics than sexuality? Of course. And maybe that's the whole point. There is a fairly large part of western culture so fascinated with sex and sexuality that this really is THE big issue. Hopefully Jen's honesty, coupled with "Pastor Bob's" absurdity, will help shine a light on that lunatic fringe, one more step toward us (USA) finally moving on.


jerry   April 23rd, 2010 9:01 pm ET

"Christian Lesbian" is an oxymoron. If any gay person, male or female, were to care what God's word says then let them read 1 Cor 6:9, 10 and also Romans 1:18-27. There it plainly sets out God's requirements for those who will not "inherit God's Kingdom". Is it unusual or harsh for God to have standards? The U.S. has such as do all other governments. God's Kingdom IS a government too. Can any gay "christian" find a scripture that promotes "disgraceful sexual appetites" Romans 1:26, or what is "obscene" Romans 1:27? Passages taken from the New World Translation of the Bible.


Jose Dalmau   April 23rd, 2010 9:04 pm ET

CAN YOU BE CHRISTIAN AND HAVE A LOVE AFFAIR WITH SOMEONE WHO IS NOT YOUR HUSBAND OR WIFE? THAT IS PROHIBITED IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS,,, NO?


Grady Duke   April 23rd, 2010 9:12 pm ET

Thanks you Jennifer for being so brave & maintaining your own faith. Girl, I truly understand. From La. here, Most Christians here do not believe a gay or lesbian can also be Christian. Come down here to some of the Southern Baptist Churches N. Louisiana & help us show them with your voice & talent.


donna   April 23rd, 2010 9:12 pm ET

Kudos for her. I'm a hetrosexual and finf it refreshing that she has come out and I believe in God. More of her peers should follow suit and reveal the truth to themselves. Do you have any inkling has to how many gay christians there are? They are in the pulpit;choir stand;pew and on stages. Big ups to you Jennifer


Daniel   April 23rd, 2010 9:12 pm ET

God says for us not to judge. If someone is gay and Christian that is between them and God!!!


oilboyusa   April 23rd, 2010 9:14 pm ET

Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Neither shalt thou lie with any beast to defile thyself therewith: neither shall any woman stand before a beast to lie down thereto: it is confusion. " (Leviticus 18:22-23)
For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature: And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;" (Romans 1:26-28)
What part of God Hates sin does she not understand.


Daniel Sterling   April 23rd, 2010 9:14 pm ET

Although you have came out and showed your real side. Do you personally think its wrong according to the bible?


Cyndie Shaner   April 23rd, 2010 9:14 pm ET

Bravo Jennifer! What a thoughtful and beautiful response to LK's question about the Bible being against homosexuality. I admire your ability to gently remind people that any sacred text is left to interpretation as well as possible biased translations from the original text. Thank you.


Joe Obeng   April 23rd, 2010 9:14 pm ET

Jennifer is honest to admit her nature – homosexuality. The Bible, Koran and Torah condemn homosexuality because they were written by homophobic men. The gods of these religions are man-made. Itis time to do an honest evaluation of these gods and their oppressive religions.


Jules   April 23rd, 2010 9:15 pm ET

So many Christ followers embrace their sexuality. I am one of them and I am proud to say that Jennifer Knapp is out to help get our faces out there too. Jennifer, I for one am proud of you and supporting you all the way!


Tracey Gage   April 23rd, 2010 9:16 pm ET

I am so proud of her that she is being honest and open. She is definitely a Christian if she professes Jesus as her Lord. I only hope that people will quit judging and listen to her message.


Kallichie   April 23rd, 2010 9:17 pm ET

it is only God's job to judge, not a man nor woman. let Jennifer live her life. she will never stop being a child of God because of something such as this. God looks at the heart. not the deed


John   April 23rd, 2010 9:18 pm ET

I've never heard of Jennifer or her music; but I think it is a great move for her to realize Christian and Lesbian can go in synch. She seems very moral and committed to her partner and living a Christ-like life. If people looked at the teachings of Christ, love one another, judge not least ye be judge and Christians should embrace all sexual orientations, as long as they love God. It is far too important for Christians to advocate on acceptance and not INTOLERANCE & HATE.


stu   April 23rd, 2010 9:18 pm ET

Homosexuality is a sin based on scripture but we are all sinners in some way and we all have the right to claim to be Christian if we openly accept the Lord Jesus Christ. Those Christians who do not accept homosexuals cast stones in a glass house. I dont judge sin, God does. That does not mean I accept homosexuality, I accept the person.


Daniel Sterling   April 23rd, 2010 9:18 pm ET

If yes, than why do you do it? If not than than why believe there is a God like the bible says as well? can we choose what we want to follow in the bible. isnt it like the laws of the united states can we choose what we want to follow? We all know what where that would land us?


Amanda   April 23rd, 2010 9:20 pm ET

Jennifer,

I am an ex pastors wife and I love the Lord but I left my husband whom was a pastor. I've been told I'm in sin, I'm wrong, I'm many things. But honestly I walked out with God, I walked away from an establishment that put Him and me in a box. Life is a journey – you didn't "stubbornly choose a life of sin" and my heart doesn't break for you & I don't feel sorry for you because you are walking the walk that you must walk. Who do I feel sorry for? The strict, legalistic religous pastors whom are so judmental of everyone except well themselves and I know that first hand – keep walking and I'm with you and I'll keep praying for you:)

Amanda (christian since 1992)


Disciple   April 23rd, 2010 9:20 pm ET

Romans 1:26


Nancy in Little Rock, Arkansas   April 23rd, 2010 9:21 pm ET

I don't know any person on Earth who has had a recent conversation with God, so I don't think any person on Earth has the right to say what God would think of Jennifer Knapp's sexuality. Whom we love is personal – between our God and ourself – and I think other people should stay out of it. The Bible is the recollection of a certain few people. The Bible is not the whole truth about God. We need to be more accepting of all people who are good and kind to others. People need to stop judging other people – that is ultimately up to God.


pete faust   April 23rd, 2010 9:21 pm ET

She found someone she is happy with – what's the problem with that ?


Luwanna Guysville Ohio   April 23rd, 2010 9:22 pm ET

Larry,

I don't usually have the motivation to say anything to your guests but I have to say something this time.
Jennifer, you are a beautiful young lady and I can tell you are trying to be kind in your words towards those who have not been so kind. Be true to yourself and to your heart... you will never go wrong regardless of your faith, and with faith you may bridge the gap that hatred and fear has made where love should be instead... too many Christians put too much faith in a book that was written by men and women, translated over and over, reinterpreted over and over, and they don't put enough faith in the Divine whose grace walks in all things.

May you always walk on the path of Light,
Luwanna Guysville Ohio


Loretta   April 23rd, 2010 9:23 pm ET

This is a very sad story. God can not go against His Word. He doesn't agree with this type of lifestyle.


John   April 23rd, 2010 9:23 pm ET

Jerry you hit it right on the money...Its a like a married bachelor....I would love to ask her what does she think about Romans 1, and 1st Cor 6:9...Which says that Homosexuality is a sin RIGHT up front..you knw...


Elaine   April 23rd, 2010 9:23 pm ET

Homeosexuality is a sin just like sex outside of marriage.

People can be christians struggling or battling with homeosexuality but to accept that is who God intended you to be is not what God would want. The bible clearly describes this is not right. Look at Donnie Mcclurkin who he is now in Christ and who he was!

Even if we took Christianity out of the picture, why would our bodies be designed in such a way if two women or two mean were to be together? Look at the way our bodies have been created! Two women or two men do not function to procreate,which is part of our purpose.


Shawna   April 23rd, 2010 9:23 pm ET

Jennifer, you are a very talented musician.
Jesus came to save us from ourselves, the sin destroying our souls, from the wrath of God ,He gave his life to pay the debt of the sin you enjoy and boast about while you hold the "Jesus is my Savior card"?
"No one can serve to masters"
Jennifer , what Bible are you reading? The Christian Bible does not condone sin.


Vangie Chavez   April 23rd, 2010 9:23 pm ET

Kudos for Jennifer Knapp and living the truth of who God created her to be!! What most "Christians" fail to do before bringing down judgement is to fully research the texts of Scripture and view them in full historical context in which they were written. When they do they will find that the same-sex acts in scripture speak of heterosexual people engaged in same-sex rituals for the pupose of idol/pagan worship. It says NOTHING of sexual orientation in committed, responsible same-sex relationships. Before you judge please study the text.


Kristi   April 23rd, 2010 9:24 pm ET

You cannot be a christian and gay. The truth of GODS word is what we need to follow. I will pray for her. Too many follow there own feelings.


Pls   April 23rd, 2010 9:24 pm ET

No u can not be a Christiann and gay...... God does not accept sexual immorality. He loves you, but he hates the sin. It's in the Bible and scriptures by the disciples. No God did not created homosexuality the people did that's why he destroyed the world and only left Noah and his family.... Read Gensis read the bible for the truth not people opinions. To rightly divide the word by the holy spririt. Plese excuse any typos!


Grace G   April 23rd, 2010 9:24 pm ET

I think that pastor is a hypocrite! Jennifer your doing the right thing for you! DON'T change!


TheSeer   April 23rd, 2010 9:25 pm ET

here's the thing. Christianity is a world religion under christiandom. Meaning anyone can say they are christain. To this the Lord Jesus says, let them all grow and at the end I will separate them. The wheat (true Beleivers) an the chaff (sinful people who are hearers only,and there be many who are not homosexuals) From what this girl has said, she does not know Christ, and He does not know her. She is spiritually ignorant! If she continues in her sin of homosexuality she will die in her sin and be condemned tothe 2nd death. I say this as a warning not as her judge. ANd if she is willing to take that chance, have at it. I know that God does save, those who have come into the kingdom, by mercy should they pass from this life without really coming to understand that God does not permit us to have "Isaac's" in our lives. A "Isaac" is anything that you hold onto as first place. To a lesbian, lesbianism is firstplace. Plain and simple "it is sin", and the wages of sin is death, meaning separation from God forever. In fact, there is no way you can the Lord and heavenly Father if you are homosexual. You are only fooling yourself. And it is an abomination. For anyone who said Christ did not speak on it, he did. In Matt. 24: speaking about the end time in which we are now living. He said "...Sodom and Gormorrah..." That covers all homosexuals. I tell you in truth, you are excepted by the Father but your sin has separated you from him. Seek the Lord while he can be found or you and sinful partners will perish in that day...it could be tomorrow.


Cat   April 23rd, 2010 9:25 pm ET

When will we ever evolve as a planet? Any discussion about being gay should be mute by now. There's nothing to discuss. Move on. If someone tries to base their life on a book that was edited and rewritten by a ruler in the 1300's trying to gain control over the people, then they are certainly misguided. Wake up, do your research, listen to your heart. That is what I think God expects of each of us.


Amanda   April 23rd, 2010 9:25 pm ET

One more comment Jenn, I'm so sorry on behalf of the comments that are left here that are so hurtful please know that they are not the voice of Christ. They are merely the voice of "religion" which God calls witchcraft. I have choosen to keep seeking Him, even after all I've heard! Keep seeking – remember that just because a man says he is a pastor Does Not Mean He Represents The Heary of God – God will speak to your heart and I think and feel that you know that – just walk in it girl🙂

In His Service,
Amanda


Bailey   April 23rd, 2010 9:25 pm ET

I am very intrigued with the sort of mentality that "Christians" have towards this issue. I attend a Christian college and consider myself a Christian, but am always shocked at how hurtful and mean my fellow Christians can be. I am in full support with the mentality that our Christian interpretation varies, as it should, and think it's time for people to worry about themselves and what they're doing to sin, and back off other people's lifestyles and decisions. Our society makes it blatantly obvious of people who are unfaithful to their spouses and no one questions their Christian values. I was once told that homosexuality is a "fad" and my rebuttal is who in their right mind would CHOOSE to be homosexual when they receive the nasty, inhumane treatment from society...No one would choose that, and it makes me believe that this isn't a choice, but rather a lifestyle that is as normal to them as being heterosexual is to me. God made all of us and loves us all the same, people who do not agree with that need to reevaluate themselves and who they are calling "God".


christopher   April 23rd, 2010 9:26 pm ET

Jennifer: Your stumbling in your words, do you know why because you know that sin is sin. Jesus' word our holy and you have just handed satan a good tool to tell your listeners that its okay to be gay. The bible to christians is law and I pray that you someday before you are raptured up and he says I never knew you, depart from me will know what a relationship with him and walk with him is, because now you only hurt the true churches who love our lord and turning it into a mockery.


Lisa   April 23rd, 2010 9:26 pm ET

Who is he to judge how people love? Why is his love more valid? The bible was written by mans interpretation based on their discriminations at the time. Homosexuality at that time isn't even what it is today. God is love! God taught love not hate. I don't believe God hates Jennifer or me! This pastor along with many others need education. I want him to imagine a world where heterosexual relationships were seen as lesser than 2 women or 2 men. There are children and adults who are bullied, tortured and murdered over who they love..God supports that? His preaching encourages this discrimination!


Michael Armstrong Sr.   April 23rd, 2010 9:26 pm ET

Two boys two girls the race race is doomed if they dont pick the right lover nature will sort things out .


Daniel   April 23rd, 2010 9:27 pm ET

How does the Pastor know he is in the right to truly cast that first stone?


Smith in Oregon   April 23rd, 2010 9:27 pm ET

So the Christian pastor CNN Guest is employing the old Christian chestnut that 'Christianity' invented and has a copy write on marriage and what that is defined as, and how it is to be done under that social contract.

WRONG! Christianity did not invent Marriage, NOR does Christianity have a copy write on marriage. It is entirely crass, callous and a greedy bid by the money changers whom Jesus himself strongly disliked for the institution that high jacked his name to use Marriage as their supreme money maker and foundation of their belief.


Dianne Nodwell   April 23rd, 2010 9:28 pm ET

Dear Larry, What does jennifer think was going on in Sodom and Gomorra?


Roger   April 23rd, 2010 9:28 pm ET

Larry and CNN producers – It's a shame that you did not bring another pastor on who could represent one of the growing number of denominations who welcome LGBT people into the full body of the church. Would it have been to much trouble to have someone from the United Church of Christ, ELCA or Episcopal Church??? You'[ve stacked the deck unfairly against Ms. Knapp and not provided the full story.


Billy Mullin   April 23rd, 2010 9:28 pm ET

Jennifer wants to argue about greek terminolligy of the bible, HEY Jennifer ever hear of Sodom and Gamora !!!!!!! Nothing greek about that.


christine   April 23rd, 2010 9:29 pm ET

I do not like what the pastor is saying. God might have wrote the bible but man intirpriates. Who is to say. Pastor have millions of dollars. God never said we need to make pastors rich and live in masions. So who is he to judge.


philip   April 23rd, 2010 9:29 pm ET

To start with, I dont not know the content of the case. So I do not want to judge her but I want her to know:
1. It does not matter what you call yourself- a christian or not- what really matters is what God Calls you.
2. It does not matter whether you're accepted by the whole world, what really counts is what God sees you to be.
3. Poison is poison anytime, anyday-poison will remain poison no matter what you think about it. Put it in Coke's bottle it is still poison.
4. I thank you for coming out, I strongly believe that Christ is interceeding for you. The only path to God is repentant. you know what?
it's open now.


John   April 23rd, 2010 9:29 pm ET

Poor Pastor. He needs to go back and read his bible. Man did invent the institution of marriage, the ceremony and such. Adam and Eve were never formally married before a church. In fact, churches didn't come until years later.
It seems like it is more sinful to not be in a relationship with someone you love and have sex with them; straight or gay.
It sounds like he's suggesting marriage is only a contract about sex and it is a contract about forming a family.


pete faust   April 23rd, 2010 9:29 pm ET

pastor bob ? give me a break.


Jon   April 23rd, 2010 9:30 pm ET

Thank you, Jennifer, for your bravery.


emily   April 23rd, 2010 9:30 pm ET

I don't understand why people r soo obsessed with who other people, strangers, in fact, sleep with and what temple they choose 2 worship at. If we as an inteligent people could focus our attentions on more important, more substantial things than other peoples very personal lives there's no telling what we could accomplish!


Renzo   April 23rd, 2010 9:30 pm ET

Mr. King, this is my first comment on here, but i was kind of upset with the so-called Christian singer. I just want to say, GOD does not see homosexuality as something good, it is from the devil! And anyone that indulge in any activity like that. I'm tired of people afraid to say what they really want to say about "GAYS", knowing that its wrong, instead they will support them to be P.C. People be real with yourselves and condemn this. PLEASE! And about choice, If GOD already has our life written in a book, how can we change it? You can't! If a story is already written, the characters cannot change the plot or ending. Just a thought.


Rachel Breon   April 23rd, 2010 9:30 pm ET

Only our God shall judge! Everyone is a sinner, you can not say Jennifer does not have deep faith because she shares her love with a women.


Michael Armstrong Sr.   April 23rd, 2010 9:31 pm ET

Dont worry about it God will tell you what he thinks about it when you die .


tim   April 23rd, 2010 9:31 pm ET

Hey Larry'
Tell Jenn Knapp that as a christian, the belief is that Jesus became God and that he had no feeling one way or the other about homosexuality.

Thanks,

Tim


Jay   April 23rd, 2010 9:31 pm ET

Jennifer began to challenge the pastor on the use of the greek words translated in English as homosexual. She is right. The word Paul uses in I Corinthians 6:9 and I Timothy 1:10 is NOT the word that was used in the first Century for "homosexual". Bottom line: the Bible does NOT condemn homosexuality.


Jman   April 23rd, 2010 9:31 pm ET

The Holy Bible is clear about Homosexuality. 1 Corinthians 6:9 states, "Don't you realize that those who do wrong will not inherit the Kindom of God? Don't fool yourselves. Those who indulge in sexual sin, or who worship idols, or commit adultery, or are male prostitutes, or practice homosexuality." Jeniffer's choice is one that is leading her into the path of darkness. However, for as long as she is breathing she still can make the choice of turning away from her sinful choice because our God is a forgiving God and He is always willing to forgive, but it is a choice that she must make!


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 9:31 pm ET

Mathew 19: 10-12

All men cannot receive this saying save those to which it is given. For there be some eunuchs (homosexuals) so born in there mothers womb. There be eunuchs who were made eunuchs of men and those who have chosen to become eunuchs for the kingdom of heavens sake. Those that receive it LET them receive it.

Also, King James is a well documented homosexual. So why would a person who denounces homosexuals believe a text interpreted by a homosexual?


Chuck   April 23rd, 2010 9:32 pm ET

Larry, the preacher just quoted the Bible.."He who is without sin cast the first stone". That passage is not in any of the earliest copies of the Bible that we have. The earliest copy that we can find with that story is from the 11th Century. It was added by a monk in the 11th Century. This is fact.


Meret   April 23rd, 2010 9:32 pm ET

People please, the world is imploding and we are spending an hour on this.

I invite the gay communit to help us deal with issues life global warming, economic collapse, and threats of war in hot spots around the world. Whether some evangelicals approve of your lifestyle is irrelevant. Live your life and take up the larger issues.

If we do not get this world under control, it will not matter who has sex with whom because none of us will be here.


JW   April 23rd, 2010 9:32 pm ET

It is not a matter of opinion – we live our lives according to the Bible. Read Romans 1:26. – Homosexuality is not an option!


L Rose   April 23rd, 2010 9:33 pm ET

Larry, thank you for covering this story BUT there needs to be a progressive minister on the show to do the other side of the dialogue and to express another way of understanding wut homogat the bible says about homosexuality. It is not fair to have the singer who is just beginning her process to offer the alternative perspective. She is still in process. Invite a minister from the United Church of Christ. to present another very valid view of the bible. Thanks from a minister of the United Church of Christ


Jack   April 23rd, 2010 9:33 pm ET

Christ is risen!

I don't mean to get personal, but Jesus said that remarriage after divorce is usually adultery.

How many parishioners does Pastor Bob have who are divorced, remarried, and living in relationships that Jesus condemned as adulterous?

And what exactly did Jesus say about homosexuality and homosexual realtionships in the Gospel?

Could your guest tell us?


Chris Oden   April 23rd, 2010 9:33 pm ET

Jennifer Knapp, Go and spread the word of Love, and sing a new song onto the Lord, Jesus Christ. I support you.


Nancy in Little Rock, Arkansas   April 23rd, 2010 9:33 pm ET

Jesus was very accepting of all people and I do not think that Jesus would want Pastor Bob Bosford speaking on his behalf. As a Christian his expresses his "point-of-view" which is NOT the point of view of all Christians.


KEN BENSON   April 23rd, 2010 9:33 pm ET

If the God you worship discrimanates against any of his children, black, white, gay, or retarded, then I don`t want to go to your heaven. No, I am not gay. I believe the real God loves all his children or there is no real God.


Smith in Oregon   April 23rd, 2010 9:33 pm ET

The vast number of Christians and Christian clerics who routinely spout and spew 'this is a sin' and this is a 'sin', sin this, and sin that even remotely know where that term 'sin' even comes from!

Sin was the Babylonian Moon God/Goddess who was so loved and followed by the Babylonians her followers numbered in the Millions and made large inroads right to the Jewish Temples. The Jewish Rabbi's told their followers not to follow that God/Goddess (SIN). Which they stated was a mistake to do. That is no different than a Kmart manager telling his staff not to shop at Walmart.

NOW you know where that word (SIN) came from originally! Christianity is so utterly lacking in even understanding the words they routinely spew to their faithful as 'gospel' and yet not even having a clue as to what 'SIN' actually meant.


Lindsay Stormes   April 23rd, 2010 9:33 pm ET

Larry,

Why don't you get someone on the air who is supportive of Jennifer's spirituality and her homosexuality? Why these two men who have no credibility in the religious world?

Make some time for questions please.

Thank you.


Bella   April 23rd, 2010 9:33 pm ET

Larry..Bravo for featuring this beautiful, intelligent and immensely talented young woman on your show tonight!

Those who live in their glass houses (while consuming pork and wearing mixed fibers) can thump those bibles all day but it does not change the fact that their own holy book warns of judging others. After all, is it not their own God who will be her ultimate judge? Someone always will pick and choose parts of the Bible to suit their agenda.

I was raised in a very faith-based enviroment and personally believe that my rligious convictions will NEVER be used as a weapon as I think God would see that as wrong. ("Love thy neighbor" anyone??)

Brava to you Jennifer!
You have my respect and I will be buying your forthcoming album.

You show grace and respect when others do not return it to you..."Turn the other cheek" when these so-called "representatives of Jesus Christ" condemn you. I suspect he isn't too crazy about THOSE members of his fan club.


Judy Leone   April 23rd, 2010 9:33 pm ET

I agree that she is a Christian and none of us have any right to talk against anyone who says they are gay. God created all of us in his image. That is in the Bible so how can we say that gays aren't Christians. From my studies, I have a MA in Pastoral Studies, I never read or was taught that a person who was gay can't be Christian or have a relationship with God. This relationship is private and none of us can take that away from anyone else.


Carlos G   April 23rd, 2010 9:34 pm ET

Larry,

Please ask: Where in the Bible does it say that homosexuality is a sin?

cg


Rob   April 23rd, 2010 9:34 pm ET

I have a problem with people saying she is in the wrong and the people who says it is in the Bible they are right but the one person who said it is not in the New Testament is right also but the truth is it is there choice what sexual orientation is as well as we are also told in the bible that we are not to JUDGE so why are we because we are in the wrong also. I feel as if the ones who want to have a partner of the same sex it is ok with me and I congradulate them also because they got someone and I feel as if the ones who try to fight this point either has problems with there own sexual orientation or has problems with there realtionship and I will stand up for these people who are gay lesbian bisexual curious whatever there orientation is. So Jennifer Knapp I am for you and happy.


Disciple   April 23rd, 2010 9:34 pm ET

Larry, your big friends with Al Mohler, get his take on this or how about Franklin Graham, Danny Akin, Johnny Hunt, Charles Stanley?


KRISTINA   April 23rd, 2010 9:34 pm ET

I too am a believer in God and I struggle everyday with liking woman. However in Leviticus 20:13 It states that If a man sleeps with a man as he does a woman they have bothe committed an abomination.


Lisa   April 23rd, 2010 9:34 pm ET

For all of you commenting on homosexuality being a sin..are you aware that it is based on the fact that men who were invading a town would rape other men for dominance? THIS is what homosexuality was. It wasn't love..it was power. Educate yourself before you stand up against something you dont understand!!!! I bet most of you have memebers of the gay community in your own families that have left or are too scared to come out because they're afraid they will be shunned, thrown out, abandoned just to name a few..this is what God teaches??? what is very clear is sex before marriage is a sin..how may of you so called moral authorities have done that? I could go on but I think you get my point. THINK with the brain God gave you instead of being sheep!


Meret   April 23rd, 2010 9:34 pm ET

Gerald Jolly I cannot believe it since we often disagree, but we are on the same page tonight.


j k olson   April 23rd, 2010 9:34 pm ET

Ultimately,the "choice" a gay person makes is to accept themselves as they are and to get on with the life God gave them.


Wanda   April 23rd, 2010 9:34 pm ET

It is unfortunate that some "Christians" still try to say that homosexuality is a sin. The Bible does say not to judge others and no where in the Bible does Jesus say anything regarding Gay and Lesbians nor is it even one of the 10 commandments. I am glad I attend an open and affirming Christian church that disagrees with the pastors view of what the Bible says. Mot only would Jennifer and her partner be welcome she would also feel welcome in our church.


Julio Velazquez   April 23rd, 2010 9:35 pm ET

Homosexuality is clearly a sin. God's word in the Bible says so:

Romans 1:26-27 (New International Version)

26Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion.


Lisa Lax   April 23rd, 2010 9:35 pm ET

"If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." ...


Ben Teague   April 23rd, 2010 9:35 pm ET

Please share this with Jennifer:

• Gay and lesbian people are 3 to 7 times more likely to attempt suicide.

• Every 5 hours, a gay teenager takes his/her life, it is estimated that for every teen that takes their life, there are 20 more that attempt to take their life. The top reason for gay teenagers to call for help to a crisis hotline is for religious reasons.

• The church is teaching that homosexuality is wrong; this is why God did not intend for the bible to be read literally, say… by capitalist preachers (which is a sin in itself).

• It is the church's stance on homosexuality that has caused gay teens to be rejected by society and their parents. James Dobson teaches that God did not intend for homosexuals to live and he has no religious education.

• There is nothing wrong with a 5th grade understanding of the Bible, as long as you are in the 5th grade.

• We have been conditioned to hold these believes (that homosexuality is wrong) by the church, where the prejudices were born and continues to be promoted.

• The bible has been used to promote and denigrate: apatite, segregation, slavery, women. And now misused to condemn homosexuality.

• Fundamentalist Christians have used the Bible to denigrate throughout the ages, now they are doing it again to condemn gays.

• There are six or seven verses in the Bible that remotely speaks about this (what we now know as) homosexuality. And, so, the bible says: if a man lays with another man, they should be put to death. If you read the bible on a face value level, then you disregard several important things: just before that passage, it says, it is an abomination to eat shrimp, and a few verses below, it says, it’s an abomination if you plant two different seeds in the same hole, it is an abomination to eat a rabbit, you shouldn't wear linen and wool together. The bible is the word of God, through human beings interpretation. This is called SELECTIVE READING. Abomination = ritual wrong, and was not used as immoral.

• Biblical literalists know the truth, but they are not able to engage in a PRONOUNCEMENT. They, the Bible literalists, say this is what the Bible says – Answer: NO – that is what the Bible reads... it's the struggle to understand the context, language, culture and custom of when the bible was written.

• This use of the Bible literalism is a very new and a modern invention in the early 20th century. We had almost 2000 years of Christian history, without literalism. Almost all of the literalist are Capitalist; they are making lots of money: Jerry Falwell- $9mil; James Dobson-$138mil; Pat Robertson- $459mil.

• Others (religious preachers and proclaimed religious teachers) preach/teach to their parishioners what they should believe/understand what the Bible says.

• There were no Aramaic, Hebrew, or Greek word for human sexuality, especially homosexuality. The words lifted out of these original texts are really inappropriate.

• The sin which we should be concerned about is not the homosexuality, but is Homophobia which is the more egregious sin because it is offered in the name of the scripture by some religious people. The Bible is an incredible weapon, people use it as a weapon to define violence and justifying death, even the Pope had sanctioned murder centuries ago.

• All loving relationships are honored by God, the Bible does not speak against loving relations or gay relationships. God’s world is inclusive.

• We don't judge who is a sinner, we should leave that up to God. I can't for the life of me think that God would say, I will punish you because you are black, I will punish you because you are a woman, I will punish you because you are a homosexual.

STOP Religious Violence.


kk   April 23rd, 2010 9:35 pm ET

Good for you Jennifer...what an inspiration...I was supposed to be watching right now...INTERPRETATION IS EVERYTHING...any word, when posed to multiple people will come out interpreted differently....that's because the word is only the code for what WE SEE in our minds....hard to see another perspective....
Good luck and I am a new fan!


Shona   April 23rd, 2010 9:35 pm ET

What a great lady. You are absolutely right. I can't believe that pastor. They seem to believe the only real sinners are gay because theybelive it is a choice. Forget killers and rapists they can repent. Oh brother.


Smith in Oregon   April 23rd, 2010 9:35 pm ET

Personal relationship with GOD, how personal, the Creator is Male, you mean you are advocating a homosexual relationship Pastor Haggard?


KG   April 23rd, 2010 9:35 pm ET

Pastor Bob Botsford: Thank you for staying true to the TRUTH. The world is corrupt right now because too many people are modifying and perverting the Bible to fit their lifestyle.

Nobody is saying that God does not love homosexuals, however the act of homosexuality is not right.

I will continue to pray for all sinners.


Bailey   April 23rd, 2010 9:35 pm ET

That comment is degrading and are the comments that do not help the situation.


John   April 23rd, 2010 9:36 pm ET

Way to go Micahel, show your hate. If being a Christian is making hateful and inappropriate comments; then you make non-Christians gald they are not Christians.

The bible, by the way has been translated several times; the KJV is not the original; People should study their history (even bible scholars knowo this).


Chuck   April 23rd, 2010 9:36 pm ET

In the Old Testament it says to murder a man for lying with another man. Murder them both.

In the bible, when a little girl turned 13, and a middle age man could afford her, she was forced into bed with him for life. If the little girl was not virgin on her wedding night, she was to be taken out immediately and stoned to death. Why should anyone look to this book as some kind of moral authority on human sexuality???


sillysonrisas   April 23rd, 2010 9:36 pm ET

As a seminarian, I am offended by the way Larry is hosting this interview. His characterization of all Christians as homophobes or those who consider homosexuality an abomination is not only wrong, it's degrading to those who are truly living out Christ's command to love their neighbor. Jennifer is handing the interview very well, especially considering the bombardment she's living through, both with the pastor they've brought on and Larry's polarization of the two spheres–which just isn't true. Mistranslations and hatred has split Christendom from the true gospel, and I hope those following God's love for all humankind can become more vocal so that Christianity does not stay associated with this horrible, media-making hatred


Abinadab Salgado   April 23rd, 2010 9:37 pm ET

She agreed the homosexuality is a sin and she is then asking why is that pastor judging her? She is obviously judging herself! God said no guys with guys and no girls with girls and no human with animals!! Might as well get together with animals and say it’s ok!! Please, and she calls herself a Christian! That’s what my homie Jesus calls a hypocrite! There is no small or big sin, Jesus said that sin is death before God!


Carlos Valdez:.   April 23rd, 2010 9:37 pm ET

Pastor Bob,,, I agree with you... there is only one way of looking at things,,,
The right way and the wrong way,,, following God's example is the right way,,, did God created homosexuality,,, of course not,,,


Michael Armstrong Sr.   April 23rd, 2010 9:38 pm ET

@ John God will judge me and he will judge them I Win .


Dodie   April 23rd, 2010 9:38 pm ET

Ted Haggard continues to sell heaven through fear of the unknown... how sad...


Cornelia Haselberger   April 23rd, 2010 9:38 pm ET

Could you please ask that pastor to take the sanctimonious out of his voice and speak like a NORMAL human being. My pastor welcomes gays and lesbians to our church and sounds much more convincing when he is doing that. Our stance is: Let's respect God's creation!


Rebekah   April 23rd, 2010 9:38 pm ET

In Gods perfect flawless book known as the bible it says that If i would like to sell my daughter into slavery I should do so. Exodus 21:7


Chuck   April 23rd, 2010 9:38 pm ET

Larry you made the mistake of not having a progressive theologian on this show to create some balance.


kevin   April 23rd, 2010 9:39 pm ET

the bible says nothing about LESBIANISM. it only addresses male homosexuality.

so lesbianism, technically, is not against "god's" – or the men who wrote the bible's – word. why not go after people who have had s.e.x outside of marriage, divorced, worn clothes made of two different fibers, eaten shellfish, etc.

what does the bible say about man playing god? isn't god the only one capable of judgment/punishment? why do mere mortals continue to try and force "god's" will onto people? do they think it will get them into heaven or do they just use "god" as their excuse for their bigotry and self-righteousness? i thought that in the end all we have to do is repent and then all will be a-okay?

the bible is just a bunch of fables. i personally think that the prohibition on male homosexuality was written to protect men from male r.a.p.e.

i as long as what you're doing doesn't hurt anyone else, who cares? live and let live people.


Christopher deese   April 23rd, 2010 9:39 pm ET

Larry,I won't mince words!,yes the girl ,who is a self described Homosexual is wrong.The bible said homosexualality is a sin,and if she continues to choose that lifestyle,the bible says she is wrong,and the fact is,the bible says God hates homosexuallity.She is living in SIN,so says the bible!What if I wanted to live in Adultery,or fornication,where do you stop it. What is wrong then?She is full of anger when you say she is wrong,I'll say it,I'm not perfect,but,when the bible says God hates a lifestyle,and I choose to live in it,I'm wrong.


Pat Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 9:39 pm ET

Larry,
I believe that love is acceptance. The Pastor has revealed himself as simply a homophobe who is unable to accept an alternative lifestyle in others. I am a non-religious heterosexual who believes it is not a sin to love who we love without shame. What this pastor is preaching is poor example of God's love. Congratulations to Jennifer for living life honestly.


pamela   April 23rd, 2010 9:40 pm ET

I would say to the Pastor to shake the dust. Jennifer has really rejected Jesus and His exepectations for her life. She has chosen a lifestyle of sin. As Christians we trespass, we do not life a lifestyle of sin. If Jesus asked her to allow Him to change her life so that she could live the way He has ordained, a relationship between husband and wife, does she love Him enough to allow Him to do that for Him?


MO   April 23rd, 2010 9:41 pm ET

IF YOU REALLY HAVE SUCH A STRONG FAITH AND LOVE FOR JESUS, DON'T YOU KNOW YOU'RE HURTING HIM? SOUNDS LIKE YOU MADE YOUR OWN RULES AND SO CALLED BELIEFS AND ARE TRYING TO JUSTIFY THEM. THE PASTOR IS RIGHT!
YOU'RE WRONG! WHAT A GREAT EXAMPLE YOU'RE SETTING FOR OTHERS! YOU WILL HAVE TO ACCOUNT FOR WHAT YOU DID WITH YOUR FREE WILL GOD GAVE YOU,
BETTER WAKE UP!


Aleta   April 23rd, 2010 9:41 pm ET

READ LEVITICUS CHAPTER 20 AND VERSE 13. WHEN CHRIST IS FIRST IN YOUR LIFE, YOU REPENT OF YOUR SINS AND TURN AWAY FROM THAT SINFUL LIFE. ALL THINGS OLD ARE PASSED AWAY AND ALL THINGS ARE MADE NEW. IF YOU BELIEVE ONE WORD OF THE BIBLE, THEN YOU HAVE TO BELIEVE IT ALL. I HAVE TO ASK FORGIVENESS EVERYDAY BECAUSE WE ALL FALL SHORT OF THE GLORY OF GOD. GOD CREATED EVERYTHING WE HAVE AND EVERYTHING THAT IS TO COME. HE CREATED ADAM AND EVE.


Jenny Hurley   April 23rd, 2010 9:41 pm ET

Larry King
GOD said to JUDGE NOT

In Leviticus chapter 20 – they said to kill a man if he lay with a man like he would a woman - But – it ALSO SAYS to KILL YOUR CHILD if they curse you. For some reason there have been homosexuals for thousands of years. I don't understand it but I KNOW that we cannot judge people – and PREACHERS CAN'T EITHER.

JESUS would NOT allow the town to STONE a woman to death because she had committed ADULTERY. He said, let thee without sin cast the first stone.
JESUS – when his Disciples asked if they should call down FIRE FROM HEAVEN if a town did NOT accept them – JESUS said, "No, wipe the dust off your shoes and go to the next town. JESUS NEVER ALLOWED PEOPLE TO HURT OTHERS or to JUDGE THEM.

And, I am a Christian. I am not a homosexual. That act is repulsive to me, but I have a lot of compassion for them and JESUS does NOT ALLOW ME TO JUDGE THEM – or to hurt them.
Thanks.


Rebekah   April 23rd, 2010 9:41 pm ET

It also says that that if I wish to buy slaves I should do so from surrounding nations. Lev 25:44 Please ask your Christian pastors to elaborate


Amanda   April 23rd, 2010 9:41 pm ET

The Bible is CLEAR that homosexuality is a SIN. When you are a Christian, a TRULY saved Christian, you will be convicted of the sin and turn away from it.
1 Cor. 6:9-10, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, 10nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
Homosexuality is clearly condemned by the Bible. It goes against the created order of God. He created Adam and then made a woman. This is what God has ordained and it is what is right. Unlike other sins, homosexuality has a severe judgment administered by God Himself. This judgment is simple: They are given over to their passions. That means that their hearts are allowed to be hardened by their sins (Romans 1:18ff).
As a result, they can no longer see the error of what they are doing. Without an awareness of their sinfulness, there will be no repentance and trusting in Jesus. Without Jesus, they will have no forgiveness. Without forgiveness, there is no salvation.


michelle   April 23rd, 2010 9:41 pm ET

I grew up in a very religious home going to church three times a week. I learned that there is more judgement being done by so called Christians then there ever will be on judgement day. I personally find it hard to believe my God would send this lovely lady to hell for being in a loving relationship.


Madelyn Busse   April 23rd, 2010 9:42 pm ET

Jennifer is brave and faithful. Many of us who claim the name "Christian" and are full participants in Christian denominations and communities of faith see her as being faithful in living out her God given sexual orientation and identity in a committed, faithful relationship. Some mainline denominations have accepted gay and lesbians. I am so sorry to see some want to define what it means to be Christian need to comply with their interpretation of Scripture. Some of us read it differently.


pegasian   April 23rd, 2010 9:42 pm ET

All of these so called "holy people" should consider that Jesus Christ has been sending them a message that their interpretation of his word is wrong. If you open your eyes to genetic and animal studies you have to consider it part of his greater plan. When I was a teen I asked Christ if he was OK with me being gay and he sent me signs that basically meant "no problem." It is a sin to use God's word to spread hate.


Tony Anderson   April 23rd, 2010 9:42 pm ET

How can Jennifer justify the fact that God places the sexually immoral in the same category as murderers, idolaters with the sexually immoral. Revelation 21:8 Revelation 22:15


Ana-Maria   April 23rd, 2010 9:42 pm ET

Ki Larry,
I think the big difference between Pastor Bob AND THE SINGER is the attitude towards sin.Homosexuality is clearly against God's standars and this "Christian" lady doesn't seem to recognize that. We are all sinners but some of us cry and repent of it and some of us don't. That's the main difference!


George Travis   April 23rd, 2010 9:42 pm ET

Why don't ted tell them about what the book ofleviticus says about who you can lay down with


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 9:42 pm ET

Not one of the Ten Commandments says "Thou Shall Not be a Homosexual."


JD   April 23rd, 2010 9:43 pm ET

Why are we getting Ted Haggard's opinion of the lifestyle that he once lived? Are you serious?


Rebecca Mack   April 23rd, 2010 9:43 pm ET

Jennifer,

Good for you for being so brave. I was raised a Christian, my father was a Lutheran Minister who turned to the Charismatic movement in the 1970's (you could call it Evangelical now). He was a closeted gay man until he died at age 79 last year. He was tormented by the fact that he believed he was damned because of his sexuality. He led a double life, caused many people grief with his lies and deception, and couldn't be truthful to anyone. He was a good man who wasn't strong enough to risk losing his family, friends, eternal soul and possibly his life (growing up in the midwest in the 1930's) if he was true to his sexuality. I witnessed first-hand this struggle-your sexuality is NOT a choice! His struggle truly saddens me. I pray that you believe that God loves you, he made you the way you are, homosexuality is not a sin. I'm a heterosexual-I didn't choose to be-I just am. As for all these "Christian" ministers quoting the Bible as God's inspired words, please read Bart Ehrman's book "Misquoting Jesus" and "Lost Christianities". The truth is there are "NO" original texts of the books of the Bible that exist today (only copies), and the numerous copies/versions we have contain many discrepancies with each other. Men have decided what they believed should be included in the Bible, not God. I wish you all the best.


Renzo   April 23rd, 2010 9:43 pm ET

Mr. King PLEASEEEEEEEEEEEE, let me get on one of your shows with a seriously deep topic. I am not P.C., so i pretty much care who gets offended about the truth! PLEASE Mr. King, if you want direct answers instead of beating around the bush with people who have, i guess an audience base, I am your man sir. The same with politics. Stop voting for people because of who they're related to, or how popular with a particular paty, or how much money they can raise. How about picking a candidate that does his or her job we pay them to do! Just a thought!. Please let me on Mr. King, YOU WILL LOVE ME! I PROMISE!


Michael Armstrong Sr.   April 23rd, 2010 9:43 pm ET

Whats wrong with sick puppy .


Nathan Lott   April 23rd, 2010 9:43 pm ET

The primary difference is that if we allow our lives to be filled with habitual sin, we cannot say honestly that we are striving to serve the one we call Lord. The pastor desires to repent and turn from sin because that is the message Jesus preached. If we are unwilling to repent of our sin, which is to walk away from it as we realize we have sinned, we can neither glorify God, nor can we be a light in the world.

Pastor Nathan Lott


Smith in Oregon   April 23rd, 2010 9:43 pm ET

Good for Larry on the Jewish differences vs Christianity on 'sin'. Let the hose down begin!


claudette   April 23rd, 2010 9:43 pm ET

I am sorry jenifer but the word of God will not change for you.God hates the sin but he loves the sinner.Jesus died on the cross to free us from the prison of sin and homosexuality is a sin.But the blood of Jesus is able to unlock the prison of homosexuality.


Teresa Morris   April 23rd, 2010 9:44 pm ET

Homosexuality is wrong plain & simple. The bible says that homsexuals will not enter the kingdom of heaven. Why don't these pastors or christians just say it like it is. Yes it is a sin & yes you will not enter heaven. Take a stand. Read Leviticus 18:22!


rachel   April 23rd, 2010 9:44 pm ET

This is a unwinable arguement. Neither is going to change the other's mind and the continuing is not to the Glory of God or the Christian faith. Those on the anti-homosexual side CANNOT give in on their point. Giving into this issue would cause a reexamination of EVERYTHING they believe, if they were to pull out even ONE card, their whole house of faith would come tumbling down. It's the same as admitting women might actually be called to the pastorate or that evolution might actually be evidence of God's creative power. The homosexual, the female pastor, the theological evolutionist and many others need to move on at peace with who they are. True Christian dialogue is win-win, affirming, and empowering of all children of God. The need to convince these folks their wrong should be replaced with a deep sympathy for those whose glass house keeps them from experiencing the fullness of peace and justice that Christ came to proclaim.


Pamela Lucero   April 23rd, 2010 9:44 pm ET

If you put the sin of homosexuality aside, you still have the sin of fornication. Jennifer can't dispute every single scripture that was translated from Greek to English as her excuse! Humans are always trying to justify their sins! The beautiful thing is this: Conviction then Acknowledgment then Confession then Forgiveness then REPENTANCE.

1 Corinthians 6:9-11 (New International Version)

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God. And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
(illustration of sin AND HOPE!)


wilfredo   April 23rd, 2010 9:44 pm ET

this is great, pastor bob talking for god.put him on every night! he makes the saved look lost.


Michael Armstrong Sr.   April 23rd, 2010 9:45 pm ET

These guys should go make a movie called the one eyed monster .


Sandra Ferrari   April 23rd, 2010 9:45 pm ET

If God was ok with homosexuality wouldnt he have stated on the Bible???


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

This scripture from one of the Sayings of Jesus, supports homosexuality.

"It is for this reason that I make the female male, and the male female, so that you may be in the physical realm as the Parents are in the heavenly realm."


Smith in Oregon   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

What about thou shalt not kill?

Seems nearly all Christian priests and clerics have violated that in encouraging the millions of deaths their followers have committed.

Did some latter day saint change that commandment also?

Thou Shalt Not Kill

Why is Rev Graham and Military Clerics telling their followers it's OK to kill?


Sharon   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

God's Word says that homosexuality is unnatural, a perversion, an abomination, fornication, vile affections, and a great sin against Him. He states any sexual act outside of marriage is adultery (hetro or homo sexual). Sex is to be between man and woman within marriage.

God's design for natural sexual relationships is part of His plan. Homosexuality falsifies what God designed. Sin often means not only rejecting God but denying or rejecting how and why we are made. Though it may be considered acceptable by some today - even in some churches - it is not acceptable to God. And we need to take that seriously.

Sexual sins were rampant in the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. (This is the origin of the word sodomy.) Despite warnings, they refused to repent. God destroyed those cities and it was recorded as a warning to all future generations. (Genesis 18:20-21, Genesis 19:4-5, 2 Peter 2:6) Some additional scriptures on homosexuality are found in:

Leviticus 18:22
Leviticus 20:13
Romans 1:26-27

The price paid for homosexuality and other fornications are told in:
1 Corinthians 6:9-10
Jude 6-7
Romans 1:18


Jay   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

There are altogether 5 biblical texts that are used to hammer gays. ALL of them are abused. Too bad there isn't anyone on the show who knows this and can point it out to the pastor who is allowing his prejudice to influence his understanding of the Bible.


Shandalyn Dublin   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

Read the bible and the story of Sodim and Gomrah! This was the only sin where God himself came off of his throne because of the smell filling his nostrils! The whole city was destroyed because of sexual immorailty. Pastor Bob is not judging he is saying what thus says the Lord! The bible speaks about convicting those in love! Don't sugar coat the truth!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


John   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

Yes, Michael; let's hope God doesn't judge you for being hateful, a judger and not acting Christ like. I don't recall Jesus ever acting like you on this forum.

Curse for adding and taking away from the bible??? The pastor needs to go back to history and see how many times the bible has been translated and changed.

Amen Meret; the world is in such a terrible shape, our planet is falling a part and that is far more sinful that arguing about homosexuality.


Terry   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

Romans 1:26 -32...For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:and likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another;men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet. And even as they did not like to retain in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do the things which are not convenient;Being filled with all unrightousness, fornication,wickedness, covetousness,malicious;full of envy,murder,debate,deceit,malignity;whisperers,Backbiters,haters of God,depspiteful,proud,boasters,inventors of evil things,disobedient to parents,Without understanding,implaceable,unmerciful:Who knowing the judgement of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death,not only do the same,but have pleasure in them that do them.


greg macleod   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

The thing that is missed in this discussion is that the sin that separates man from God is unbelief in Christ Jesus. All sins of commission have been removed in Christ. One who disagrees with God as to what is sin and what is not, constitutes unbelief in Christ. It's that sin..a choice we all must make.. which condemns man before God. It's a matter of free will, which God has given to man. Is homosexuallity sin? Yes..,God has said so..do you agree with God? There is a new covenant and an old covenant..The old is a law covenant, conditional..the new is by grace through faith in Christ, unconditional. Do you believe God or not?


Isaac Amo-Kyereme   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

Larry ask Ted Haggard again in homosexuality is sin or not? He is unable to answer that.
Christianity is not based on feelings. It is based only on the Holy scriptures.
Jennifer and Ted are talking like we can do everything without any rules.
God has rules and that is in the Bible.
If everyone went homosexual how will we populate the world, a key element in why God allowed us to marry.


JD   April 23rd, 2010 9:46 pm ET

What about all of the scriptures in the bible that talks about husbands and wives or is that left up to interpretation to?


Rebekah   April 23rd, 2010 9:47 pm ET

If I have a nieghbor who works on the sabbath Exodus 35:2 cleary states that he should be put to death. Who should take care of this problem if murder is now illegal. One more, Lev 15:19-24 says that a man should have no contact with a women while she is having her monthly cycle. Does your guest also believe that this ban has been lifted?


Jonathan   April 23rd, 2010 9:47 pm ET

I am gay, i am a sinner, but i am not a sinner because i am gay. In the bible it says that if a women is not a virgin on her day, then that is a sin. it also says that children who disobgey their parents are an abomination society does not take that literately. God did not plan on sin, but Eve sinned, soo God loved all of his children that he sent his one and only son to die for our sins and who ever believes in him shall not parish but have eternal life. I AM SAVED THROUGH JESUS CHRIST. I have born gay and i knew that when i was 6 yr s old. being gay is not a sin. but i am a sinner as a human. the Bible was writen by HUMANS


Rev. Valerie M. roberts=Toler   April 23rd, 2010 9:47 pm ET

Dear Jennifer,

You are a beloved child of God -created by God as you are-please forgive the church for its exclusivity. The church was wrong about slavery and wrong about the role of women. The church is wrong again.

The Holy Spirit is within you and leading you-continue to give God glory and I celebrate your being who you are.

Pastor Val


Allison   April 23rd, 2010 9:47 pm ET

All I have to say is, I'm a Christian, I am straight, and I'm a longtime Jennifer Knapp fan. More power to her for coming out! She is a wonderful role model for both gay and straight, Christians and non-Chrstians alike. All I know is that my Bible says that MY responsibility on earth is to love other people and to treat them as I would want them to treat me. It also says that I am not to judge, since I, too, am imperfect. God is the only true judge. If He has a problem with Jennifer's sexuality, than that is his role as God. However, I know many atheists and homosexuals that are better people than some of devout Christians that I know.


Taryn   April 23rd, 2010 9:47 pm ET

I can't stand it when people put their two cents into other people's lives. If she is a lesbian and a Christian, let her be. Don't tell her that she is a sinner because of her "choice" to like the same sex. She did not choose that and obviously God made her a lesbian for a reason... At least she believes in God. Not to mention, if she wants to live her life that way, let her. She didn't ask for anyone's opinion or thoughts on her life. If she is happy, then that is wonderful! All I have to say is you go girl!!!! Stand up for yourself and don't let those close-minded people out there tear your life down and tell you that your are wrong!


RCARLCPA   April 23rd, 2010 9:47 pm ET

Homosexuality may not be a choice as in "Gee I think I'll be gay today", but it is not a natural biological attraction (i.e. men physically not made to be with another man). Is homosexuality a sin outside of God's design? Yes. Is pride? Yes. Is lust? Yes Is it worse than any other? No! That's why we need Jesus! Stop picking on a particular sin, don't justify it, and accept Jesus free gift of grace!


marge   April 23rd, 2010 9:47 pm ET

God loves everyone, and is merciful to everyone. Everyone sins, that's why JESUS died on the cross for us. However, premarital sex in any circumstance is a sin if you follow Christianity. What we need to realize is that Marriage is a sacrament given to us by God for the sake of procreation. It is not there just for our pleasure.You cannot procreate if youare homosexual. And it's not fair to say," I follow Christian beliefs when you pick & choose which parts of Christianity to follow You either are Christian or you're not..


Isaac Amo-Kyereme   April 23rd, 2010 9:48 pm ET

Larry ask Ted Haggard again if homosexuality is sin or not? He is unable to answer that.
Christianity is not based on feelings. It is based only on the Holy scriptures.
Jennifer and Ted are talking like we can do everything without any rules.
God has rules and that is in the Bible.
If everyone went homosexual how will we populate the world, a key element in why God allowed us to marry.


Jorge Paco Cortez   April 23rd, 2010 9:48 pm ET

If catholic priest can molest little boys and somehow not be convicted then why not be homosexual and christian.


denise   April 23rd, 2010 9:48 pm ET

Homosexuality is a sin. The Bible speaks against this lifestyle. The pastor there is right. I am surprised that Ted Haggard would not acknowledge that homosexuality is a sin. The pastor made an excellent point, that when a person repents (becomes a Christian, a believer in Jesus Christ), a change occurs in the way they live. This young woman has drifted away from the truth. Larry, Ted and Jennifer's eyes are blinded to the truth by Satan's deception. She is tying to justify her lifestyle. Sorry, if she does not change, she will surely understand on the day of judgement.


loveis beautiful   April 23rd, 2010 9:48 pm ET

I'm glad she has come out! I'm a gay Christian and this has been an amazing faith builder for Me, I love her music and will still listen to it and support and pray for her


Joanna Wheeler   April 23rd, 2010 9:49 pm ET

I would love Larry to have this fabulous author, Bart Ehrman.His books such as Misquoting Jesus are needed now more than ever .
Who really wrote the Bible and how come that certain books made it and others did not. It is extaordinary. Larry , I will be waiting.


Ky'Anne   April 23rd, 2010 9:49 pm ET

History repeats itself. Sodom and Gomorah we destroyed because of their wickedness. Homosexuality was one of those evils. A whole city was destroyed. Lot and his daughters,and wife had a chance to flee. The wife did not and she is still standing to this day as a pillar of salt. I might mention that Lot later courted his daughters sexually. The point is the bible gives you the stories and how they end to let you understand that history really does repeat itself, for the simple fact that man still can't get it right. Christians don't want to risk having to die from a natural unexplainable disaster because yall want to lickity split. Take that to Europe...and live. If America did not take the bible seriously they should not have put it in the Constitution to be used appropriately against them.


Mary Omaha NE   April 23rd, 2010 9:49 pm ET

I am so sad for this young lady. She is very lost and trying to twist scripture to suit her sexual desires. It was very disturbing that she continue to interrupt the pastor and be argumentative. I pray that she hears from The Lord and turns away from this lifestyle. God is grace and I hope she will truly seek him.


John   April 23rd, 2010 9:50 pm ET

And God Bless you Michael; Lord knows you need love in your life and not hate.


Meret   April 23rd, 2010 9:50 pm ET

Take the term "Christian" out of it and just say you can be spiritual and love God. Christianity is a path, but the practice is the walk on the path. Some of these Christian Catholic priests are going to hell long before this young lady. They are not practicing the path and they wear the robes.

Faith is silent in its action, why is she on this show? Do you and don't worry about being accepted by these people. In the end, God will review your life so worry about His opinion and not man's.

When you stop begging for acceptance you know you are truly free. Jesus did not find acceptance in the temple. Remember that.


Scott Myers   April 23rd, 2010 9:50 pm ET

Ask the pastor what kind of glasses he is wearing? If he knows the name of the designer off the top of his head .. he is as gay as everyone he is against!


chicago10   April 23rd, 2010 9:50 pm ET

Regardless of what you believe about homosexuality, Jesus came to teach us to love one another. He said the law is to love the Lord your God and to love your neighbor. I hope that people do not walk away from this program believing that Christianity is about hating the person sitting right next to you, judging them, watching them sit with tears in their eyes and ignoring their pain. Jesus ate his meals with everyone - the righteous, the prostitutes, the tax collectors - and he will walk with BOTH Jennifer and Pastor Bob.


Michael Armstrong Sr.   April 23rd, 2010 9:50 pm ET

These people are raping the Bible to fit there sins .


DAVID   April 23rd, 2010 9:50 pm ET

Hi Larry & Jennifer,
I am a gay person, who is a god loving, moral, honest, law abiding person that does not hate, or ever committed any crime. Yet we have religious, political and other influential people that have been corrupt, committed adultery, pedophilia, rape, and so on and so on, then ask for forgiveness, and you don't see any religious leaders condemning them to hell, yet because of my sexuality in the eyes of religion I'm condemned to eternal damnation. I believe in god but I don't believe in any religious groups, they are all a bunch of hypocrites like the priests that commit pedophilia, and the reverends and pastors that commit adultery, then have the audacity to judge others.


Bonnie of Charlottesville, Virginia   April 23rd, 2010 9:50 pm ET

Read Romans 1:21-32 (New International Version of the Bible).
God lends us over to a reprobate mind to do what ought not to be done. Some Bibles say God lends us over to a "depraved" mind.

God allows man to do what he wants; however, His wrath will still come as a result of the choices a man or woman makes for his or her personal life. There is no such thing as big sin and little sin. Sin is sin. If I'm thinking evil of another person, I'm sinning just as much as the lesbian or the homosexual.

Romans 1:28 says that there will be those who will refuse to retain the knowledge of God and He lends them over to a reprobate mind to do what ought not to be done. He does not approve of homosexuality and other types of sin. He considers all sin on the same level.

Just because society accepts homosexuality, this does not mean that it is accepted by God. The ways of the world are different than the ways of God. God does not change His mind.

I think there should not only be laws against heterosexual harassment of gays, but there should be laws against gay harassment of heterosexuals. The reputations of heterosexuals have been ruined by gays who try to seek their affections when the heterosexual person is not interested.


M. A. R.   April 23rd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

Jennifer, you know in your heart what is right or wrong. You know it is a sin or else you wouldn't be having this conversation. You can lie to people but you can't lie to God because He knows what is in your heart. A very good christian lady told me one time that if there is a question whether to do something or not, the answer is not to do it. Homosexuality is in the same category as murder. A murderer can be forgiven, but he doesn't keep murdering. A homosexual can be forgiven, but they don't keep on doing it.


chris   April 23rd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

as someone with a long history in the church, and one that eventually left the church because of my struggle with homosexuality.....my observation is that the church hass just as many gay people in it as the world...and that the church promises something that it cannot deliver...a cure for homosexuality


kat   April 23rd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

you should have invited a pastor that has a ministry in sexually/emotionally broken (lesbians/gay, etc) ....They have a better understanding of how homosexuals think, feel and how/why they became homosexuals. The singer is trying to justify her sins and it's so sad to listen to what she's saying. I'm not judging but I hope her eyes will be opened.
Larry, check dessert stream ministries.


tom   April 23rd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

you know, I see lots of Bibles on the program tonight...I wonder if maybe 1 person would please read Romans 1:1.

that verse closes this whole argument


stephen   April 23rd, 2010 9:51 pm ET

Is this an interview with Jennifer Knapp, or Jennifer and Larry King ganging up on the pastor? This is simply bashing of biblical Christianity disguised as an interview. The Pastor has simply pointed out what the Bible says, gently and respectfully, and he is being accused of being a judgmental ideolog.


Andy   April 23rd, 2010 9:52 pm ET

The continuation and perpetuation of a sinful lifestyle leads to eternal condemnation. The unwillingness of one to change his/her will to continue to sin is the visual evidence of deception in the heart of the individual.


Tammie   April 23rd, 2010 9:52 pm ET

In the Bible it says in the end times we will be fooled by many things and people. The devil being the biggest fooler. Jennifer doesn't realize she is being fooled by the devil that she is still a christian and that this is not a sin. She doesn't realize she is being used by the devil. The devil has her blinded. She needs to realize this before it's too late for her.


JD Haase   April 23rd, 2010 9:52 pm ET

I heard about this last night. I am a Christian and immeadiatley began praying for Jennifer. My 11 year old daughter plays all kinds of music including Jennifer's. I didn't tell her and removed the music sheets from her binder. The thing that I have always noticed about the gay and lesbian subject is that they are always having to rationalize their behavior. Why is that? Because it's wrong but it is a sin just like all other sin and but I don't think they should be leaders. The Bible says to let those leaders in the church that stray to the lust of others, to be let go into the world to be punished for their sins. I'm sorry that Jennifer has chosen this route but as a loving Christian, I will continue to pray for her and I hope others pray for me as a Christian because I am a sinner tool. By the way. I don't eat bottom feeder's. In Jesus's name, JD


Bob Henrikson   April 23rd, 2010 9:52 pm ET

Please ask your guest pastor why both the old and new testaments regard my epileptic wife as demon possessed? If science can help us understand what the Bible writers could not understand about seizures, then why can't we accept the new discoveries about sexual orientation as being just as neutral as heterosexuality. Orientation is not sinful; only behavior that that is selfish, demanding, cruel is sinful. Love can control either a gay person or a straight person. Who doesn't understand this?


kat   April 23rd, 2010 9:52 pm ET

i mean desert stream ministries..


Lisa   April 23rd, 2010 9:52 pm ET

All you haters should read "A Year of Living Biblicaly" where the author tries to follow the majority of the rules in the bible. Any of you have shrimp today? Well you're going to hell! Work on Sunday..yep thats a sin! Make sacrifices lately because if you haven't you guessed it..you are a sinner! Educate yourself.


we are everywhere   April 23rd, 2010 9:52 pm ET

Ben Teague, you spoke in a succient and clear voice. Thank you from a gay woman who is never afraid to love.


alec miletich   April 23rd, 2010 9:52 pm ET

I believe everyone is missing the point
which is found in 1 john
it is all about habitual sin, not the sin itself
and the one whom refuses to address the habit does not allow the holy spirit to work within them and this could lead to the belief that salvation may have not occured in the first place


RCARLCPA   April 23rd, 2010 9:53 pm ET

To Rebekah, you are right, you are to be put to death for braking the sabbath. However, Jesus was the one who died. All of the punishments in the old testament was put on Jesus on the cross. By accepting His death in place of ours, we are free and blameless.


Carlos Valdez:.   April 23rd, 2010 9:53 pm ET

Sexuality is not a Choice,,, it's natural for a real man to like a woman, and a real woman should like a man,,,, anything difrent to this,,, it's a sin.... as simple as that....


Dan   April 23rd, 2010 9:53 pm ET

As I am watching your show, I decided to write this comment. I believe that one important fact is getting lost in the discussion. All your guest seems to agree that "we all sin and fall short." I agree that we all are imperfect humans in need of the grace of God. The point is that we often automatically assume that sexual orientation is always a "choice." Often, horrible life experiences i.e. rape, sexual abuse etc. Often homosexuality, lesbian etc are not conscience choices, but the result of some traumatic experience. Those who practice homosexuality etc are guilty of breaking the law of God and in need of forgiveness just as those of us to commit “permissible sins.” All sin is a violation of the law of God, and if we don’t seek God’s forgiveness we are in jeopardy of being doomed to hell.


kg   April 23rd, 2010 9:53 pm ET

ted needs to go to a gay church and he may regain his popularity.
he is so messed up.
yes, sin is sin. the difference is we are to TURN away from that sin. jennifer knows it's sin and she is not turning away.
the pastor she's arguing with is correct.


Jean   April 23rd, 2010 9:54 pm ET

Larry:

You certainly interview all sorts of people who conduct all sorts of lifestyles. I suppose that you have to be fair and to give everyone an opportunity to speak his/her mind.
We reside in an era that there are those who think that anything goes, that it is their life, their body belongs to them, they can do their own thing and it is OK to do so as being a gay and a lesbian and there are those who will applaud her which depends on their mentality and their lifestyle. Too many people make excuses for others.
When God created us and our parents pro-created us with the help of God, God did not make a mistake. He created boys and girls who grew up to adulthood. How could these people become homosexuals and lesbians is beyond my comprehension. How did that happen? God knows. It happens that because they do not practice their faith as they should, the power of Satan took over their souls and cause them to become what they have become. They are under the yoke of Satan.
A Christian principle is, love the sinner but hate the sin. The gay and lesbian lifestyle is not of God and it is not acceptable to God. It is of Satan, the enemy of God and of our souls.
Every Christian of all do know that God created a man and a woman. It never was intentions that a man would enter into a relationship with a man; likewise a woman and a woman and to get married at that. If God wanted such a relationship, he would have created human beings as one gender. God created two genders, a man and a woman. It is like a slap in the face of God and saying that, God, I do not agree with you and you are wrong and I know better than you. This is pride and pride was the fall of Satan in addition to his disobedience and rebelliousness with his fallen angels who are in Hell.
Never mind that some people support her. I always say in this matter and others, these things have their people. Think God. What is important is, does God support her and is He pleased with her? I think by no means.
Jennifer as some other people, she is trying to exonerate herself in view of her chosen lifestyle. It appears to me that she is not a genuine Christian and that she did not practice her faith appropriately or she would not be living such an immoral lifestyle which is an abomination to the Lord. What did she learn about Christianity? It appears to me, nothing. She is not even thinking of what will Jesus say. Does God approve, condone and applaud sin which is against His teaching? A godly spiritual enlightenened person who also possess the grace of God and His blessings will say absolutely not.
Jennifer sings a song, letting go. This means she is letting go of her Christian teaching, of Christianity, of God. To think that God would approve of her lifestyle would be blasphemous. Our God is all holy, all pure and all perfect.
It is the work of Satan to make sin comfortable and make those who are sinning happy about it. Also make them feel comfortable living in sin. She cannot hide it because God who knows, sees and hears all things already knows. He has taken note and count of her unchristianlike intrinsic, abnormal lifestyle for a woman.
What really matters is when we meet God for our judgment. What will her soul feel as she continues in this lifestyle and until death when she faces God for her eternal judgment. Time will tell for her. Earthly happiness is not lasting. Eternity is lasting forever and ever.
Christians are to lead good and holy Christian lives. We are to practice our faith as best as we possibly could. We are not responsible for those who fail to do so. We are aware that this world is filled with temptation and that we have to be strong enough in order to combat it. We can only do so with the help of God. We are to pray to God and ask hIm for his divine protection and to assist us to avoid the occasions of sin. When we pray the Our Father we say ..."And lead us not into temptation but deliver us from evil. Amen." One of the worst sins against God is being a homosexual and/or a lesbian.
People could feel that they have love for each other but it could be a false love. Some heterosexual people feel love for each and some of these relationships do not last.
There is genuine love and there is love which is not genuine. It is not genuine love that a woman feel love for another woman to the extent that she enters into a sexual relationship with her. They are only deceiving themselves that they love each other. This is not the type of love God has in mind for them.
Jennifer does not say that she is sinful. She does not recognize what she is doing as being sinful and that she is not a sinner. It is stated in Holy Scriptures of the New Testament, "If we say that we are without sin, we are liars and make God out to be liar." It is a grievous/mortal sin to say that we do not sin. Everyone sin, be it of the mind and mouth and some including physically sinning.
Jennifer Knapp I feel sorry for you. You appear to be on a high roller-coaster. You are a Christian? Do you not know the Christian teaching and what is contained in Holy Scriptures which is The Word of the Lord? Some Christian you are. You are not even embarrassed about being a lesbian and informing the entire world that you are a lesbian.
Holy Scriptures states: "Let your laughter, your happiness turn to tears."
Will she go to Hell? We are not in a position to condemn anyone. God is the judge. What we do know as Christians is that if she continues with this abnormal sinful lifestyle, she has projected that she does not love God; she loves a woman more than God and that she has rejected God and His teachings and she stands a good chance of going to Hell for all eternity.
Our Lord Jesus Christ said to each and everyone of us: "Be perfect as your Heavenly Father is." Jennifer is not exempt from his teaching. Furthermore, God is true to His promises and to His teaching. He will not rescind them. We are to live by them or else pay the price of disobedience.
Our bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit. We are all accountable To God for what we do with our bodies.
If we wish to obtain eternal salvation, it is imperative that we obey God and the Christian teaching as contained in Holy Scripture.
God is loving, compassionate, merciful and forgiving. However, we must never make the mistake of taking Him for granted and saying that He will forgive us for He will not be taken for granted just as He cannot be deceived. He sees all what we do. He knows how well we practice the faith or not. To fail to obey Him and His Christian teaching, we will surely lose our souls, Heaven for all eternity. I would not wish this on myself or for no other.
May God enlighten Jennifer to see her error of the lifestyle she has chosen which is an abomination to Him.
Toronto, Canada


Michael Armstrong Sr.   April 23rd, 2010 9:54 pm ET

Dam this is fun why cant Larry King last for two hours .


keepitreal   April 23rd, 2010 9:54 pm ET

The "Bible" was wriutten 300 years after "jesus" died, in a time when there was No paper or pens, and then translated to English 1000 years after that, and all these Christian kooks think it is something to judge others by ? If a Ghost names God created the earth in 7 days, why not help jennifer out and make her like boys ?


Peggy Bauman   April 23rd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

First of all, the only way a man can be justified is in faith in Christ. Now what is faith? Faith is a complete knowledge, and an assurance or confidence in that knowledge. There is only one way to know God; and that is through Scripture. God reveals Himself in Creation itself, and in His Word; which Jesus Christ came to fullfill. Therefore all that was taught in the torah or the Old Testament, was fullfilled by Jesus Christ's coming. He confirmed, or re-interated all that was taught in the Torah or Old Testament. As a reformed christian; I believe that you compare Scripture with Scripture. You read a chapter or verse, you search in other parts of the Scripture its explanation. It is very plain, and simple providing God opens the eyes of the sinner to see his sin.
Which brings me to an all together different subject; God's elect and God's reprobate. God always had a "people created unto Himself for His glory. Not for man's glory, or luxury. We are created on this earth to bring glory to God, and to serve Him and Him alone. That is where man fails; we are sinful creatures who would rather serve ourselves over God. Therefore man will find any leap hole that they can to justify their sin.


Dodie   April 23rd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

That is just hilarious... "God changed his mind on shellfish" only because you happen to enjoy shellfish Pastor Bob Botsford!

Pastor Bob Botsford, that is precisely the problem. Your interpretation of the bible and what "God" wants. Its all about "BOB"

Congratulations to Jennifer Knapp for standing up to Pastor Bob Botsford. I am sure he harbors skeletons in his closet!


Bobbie Crispin   April 23rd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

I'd just like to say that about 10 years ago, now, my brother and wife were attending this particular Methodist church. When their pastor retired, a woman was taking his place and had no problem making sure everyone knew that she was gay. So, what do you think about this? It annoyed my brother and wife that they left the church and went elsewhere. I don't blame them one bit. It's a sin and a half if your minister is gay, yet, as everyone knows, you can interpret the Bible all you want, but partnership and marriage should be between a man and a woman only..ever. Apparently her interpretaion is much different than a lot of other ministers! Thanks for listening. Love your show, by the way, Larry!! Keep up the great work you do each night!


Marie in North Carolina   April 23rd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

Dear Jennifer,

You are an inspiration and I am in awe that you have the ability to sit with these two men and stand up to the rhetoric. I too am a lesbian and a person of faith. I am in an accepting and affirming church that believes that GOD LOVES ALL OF US. My homsexuality is not a choice but who I am and I believe that God does not make mistakes.. I am not a mistake.. God loves me just as I am, and God loves you...

God Bless,


Dan   April 23rd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

I think when you interpret Leviticus 20:13, it has to be interpreted within the context, culture and times. To the Jewish people, it was unclean for a man to sleep with another man...just as it was unclean for a man to have sex with a menstruating woman.


Jman   April 23rd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

Thank you Pastor Bob for standing for the truth.


teresa   April 23rd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

Larry
Just wanted to say the word "homesexuality" was not a word when the bible written.


Andrea   April 23rd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

John carrying the blood on his shoulder of all who follow his watered down faith.


TS, Montreal, Canada   April 23rd, 2010 9:55 pm ET

Congratulations Jennifer, on the courage to speak YOUR TRUTH. As a gay man who believes in Christ and is very spiritual, I know that GOD LOVES ME and is BLESSING ME in my life


Michael Armstrong Sr.   April 23rd, 2010 9:56 pm ET

Larry I beleave you struck a nerve with @ Jean


marie   April 23rd, 2010 9:56 pm ET

Jennifer you can't have it both ways read your bible let the Lord
be in your life because sin is sin repent let go and let GOD
this goes for everyone not just you .


Robyn Kennedy   April 23rd, 2010 9:56 pm ET

When is Larry doing a show on Radical Muslims, questioning them on their judgemental faith? Can he interview the South Park writers that had their addresses posted on a Radical Muslim site inciting that their blood be shed? I would love for Larry to "enlighten" (his word) us on this subject.


Ann   April 23rd, 2010 9:57 pm ET

"And he said to them all, If any man will come after me, let him DENY HIMSELF, and take up his cross daily, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: but whosoever will lose his life for my sake, the same shall save it." – Luke 9:23-24


Kyle   April 23rd, 2010 9:57 pm ET

What did I see tonight? Religious people using their freedom of religion to practice bigotry. Hiding behind an archaic book does not make bigotry any less wrong or any less evil.


JayNC   April 23rd, 2010 9:57 pm ET

To Paster Bob: If I Choose to be gay, then you chose to be straight, right? If it is a choice for me then it is a choice for you...


Julie   April 23rd, 2010 9:57 pm ET

sorry Ted Haggard but sex is NOT love! In fact love has nothing to do with sex and I can't believe that Jennifer Knapp said why should she have to choose between her faith and sex life! As they are not affiliated!


dan   April 23rd, 2010 9:57 pm ET

funny if you chose your own desires over gods comandment then you chose your self and not god. i will take this womans music from my house now. law is law you break it you pay.


Nick   April 23rd, 2010 9:58 pm ET

I feel so misled by Ted Haggart. Here I thought he was truly sorry for his sin which he definitely committed by being homosexual. (please see the Bible) Now he is trying to retract his declarations and he really doesn't know what he is talking about when he says that its only about love and not about the realization that yes SIN exists and it should be stopped! He has not changed and he is not helping others.


keepitreal   April 23rd, 2010 9:58 pm ET

I wouldn't trust a religion that decieves you as a child with things like Santa Clauss, Easter Bunny, etc. When people finally OPEN their minds up and realize all humans deserve love and respect, and religions just seprate us all, we will finally be free of hate and war.


Lois Moore   April 23rd, 2010 9:59 pm ET

Leviticus 18:22 --NIV ( nEW lIVING bIBLE) DO NOT LIE WITH A MAN AS WITH A WOMAN.

IT IS NOT A SIN TO "BE" A HOMOSEXUAL! THE SIN IS HAVING SAME
SEX SEXUAL INTERCOURSE.


ecumenicist   April 23rd, 2010 9:59 pm ET

Jesus tells us to interpret Scripture from a Spiritual perspective. Levitical law was written from a physical perspective. When read from a spiritual perspective, Levitical law says that we need to be true to ourselves. To go against our true inner natures is the real abomination.

Paul talks about homosexuality in the context of promiscuity. Promiscuity is the real enemy. It brings brokeness and disease. To battle promiscuity, we need to consecrate gay exclusive unions.


Heather   April 23rd, 2010 9:59 pm ET

I'm so frustratedd by this. This pastor is sitting there, calling her a sinner, and judging her life, which has nothing to do with him. Judgment is a sin! The question of whether or not it's a choice to be gay is ridiculous as well. Why would you CHOOSE to be something that is so hated? Why would you choose to be persecuted against? Additionally, doesn't it say in the Bible that God created us in his image? Doesn't it say that God is infallible? If these things are true, why would he create us wrong?

That is all.


susan senhouse   April 23rd, 2010 10:01 pm ET

Please don't encourage homosexuality, these individuals are sick, stop polluting our children, god doesn't allow that and he does not mistakes. Shame on you


Susan   April 23rd, 2010 10:01 pm ET

Just watched the show and have the Pastor say that God changed his mind on shellfish was completely laughable. God does not change his mind. His rules and way of life are for everyone for all time. That is peoples problem with religion. God does not change his mind or view with the times. This is the main problem with common sense. If you created a world with living beings and gave them a set of rules to follow, would you change them if you knew that their salvation depended on it? The other issue is people are worshiping Jesus. He was a messenger. Just like Adam, Moses, Abrahim and Mohammed. Peace be upon them all. They were all sent for one thing. To preach to worship the creator, not them. Yes, Jesus is special because he will return. Like the bible and the Koran say. He was saved by God. he was raised up by God before the crucifixion took place. All of God prophets/messengers condemned homosexuality because God condemns it. You are being led astray by Satan himself. Look into Islam for the right reasons. Open your eyes and it'll all make perfect sense.


Audi   April 23rd, 2010 10:03 pm ET

Jennifer~
You go girl and just as I am a lesbian too. I know that God is in my life and always has been and will be always.
Ashame that some CHRISTIANS use religion to promote their Hate!
To the ministor guy>> you need to go and find some sinners and preach your judgement at them>>The molestors, adultors, rapist, violent criminals and "judgers"!
Thank God, that he does not judge us all>but the ministor needs to be worried!


marie   April 23rd, 2010 10:04 pm ET

And Pastor Bob i want ot thank you for standing for the truth
my God bless you and keep praying for Jennifer and i will also
be praying for her


Louis murillo   April 23rd, 2010 10:04 pm ET

I just wanted to say something about Knapp's sin and how the Pastor mention he sins too. Larry, you were asking the pastor why Knapp's sin is worst than his sins. Now, I'm a Christian too and according to the Bible a sin is a sin no matter what sin we commit. Therefore Knapp's sin is no difference than the Pastor's or anybodys sin.


LISA   April 23rd, 2010 10:05 pm ET

Thanks Pastor Bob for defending the Faith; she cant have it both ways, take the scripture as it is if its sin then its sin, dont compromise, in this era its a good thing to see some-one stand up and defend the faith and didnt crumble, or water it down, MAY JESUS CHRISTBE PRAISED!


JD   April 23rd, 2010 10:05 pm ET

Amazing how Satan gangs up on the actual Christian here. But we all know who has the victory in the end.


Frank   April 23rd, 2010 10:06 pm ET

I watched a part of the discussion tonight, and though I am not religious I recognized a glaring omission in the pastor's response. I will try to clarify something that was not addressed. Since according to the bible God created Adam and Eve, (not Adam and Steve), and placed them in the garden with the instruction that they should partake of every fruit except the fruit of the knowledge of good and evil, but Eve then was coerced by the devil to sin, it would seem to me that sin came about as a result of this first disobedience. If such is the case doesn't it stand to reason that having fooled both Adam and Eve into committing sin he could fool homosexuals and lesbians into believing that they were created this way by God, and that there is nothing sinful about their lifestyle? Remember Satan also has the world fooled into believing that there is no Satan. And by the way someone says that the world is falling apart and that is far more sinful than arguing about homosexuality, but that person fails to understand that the world is falling apart because of sin.


keepitreal   April 23rd, 2010 10:06 pm ET

Now I know why the world is the way it is.. People want to argue about crap that "maybe" happened 2000 years ago ! Why hasn't anything been said since then ? Oh ya.. the fake Born again christians that put on Magic Shows with "healings" and "prophecies" can't wait to take all the suckers money by saying it God !


Peggy   April 23rd, 2010 10:08 pm ET

Amazes me how those who profess the love of God are most judgmental of others. Let God do the judging, and love Jennifer unconditionally for who she is.


Julie   April 23rd, 2010 10:09 pm ET

God loves lesbians but if one reads the Bible, which is what a true christian does , then they would be convicted of their sins, all sins weather it be homosexuality, infidelity, drug abuse or not helping the poor, etc.,, and they would surely not try and justify them, as when they do like Jennifer is doing they are no better than the preachers out there trying to justify their sins like taking money illegally or having affairs and then using the Bible to justify them. The Bible is not a book to be interpreted individually- it is a living testimony of our Fathers wishes and thoughts for us. What it says is what it means! Also, I'd like to add that right before a break on the show, Jennifer stated something about the heavens and the gods-- What was that? there is only one God not plural- One! If she believes there are gods, then she is NOT a christian and is misguided and needs help. Christianity is not a religion it is the truth, the one and only truth, and people who view it as a religion need to read the Bible and seek Jesus Christ for themselves.


Dan   April 23rd, 2010 10:13 pm ET

Ted Haggart skirts the issue kind of like a politician tries to evade the tough questions. Bob Botsford has not judged Jennifer. He's merely called it as it is laid out in scriptures. Thank you Bob.
The burning question is for Jennifer (and all those who think they can carry on in a homosexual relationship and follow Christ at the same time) is, "How much of the bible do you believe to be true?" If you believe all of the Bible to be true, then you have a real problem with those passages in Leviticus. Jesus NEVER contradicted the Old Testament. In fact he said, "I have not come to abolish the law (ie Old Testament) but rather to uphold the law".
Jesus came to earth to do, what no human being can do, to live the perfect life, then pay the penalty for all our sins, then offer eternal life for those who choose to repent and renounce sin, and follow Christ. One cannot claim to follow Christ and continue to indulge in shoplifting, anymore than he/she could continue in a gay lifestyle and claim to be a Christ follower.
Jennifer doesn't want to turn away from this urge she has to be in a gay relationship. It's plain and simple.
How much of the Bible do you believe to be true? If you pick and choose, then why should you even believe there is a hell? Why should even bother believing in the the forgiveness of sins? Is there such a thing as sin? How much of all this is real?
Where do you stop with the editing and separating truth from lies?
Again, how much of the Bible do you Jennifer, choose to be the truth?


keepitreal   April 23rd, 2010 10:13 pm ET

Hey Julie , have you read the Bible ? Drug Abuse ? Your a good christian !! LOL


Julie   April 23rd, 2010 10:16 pm ET

The Bible says nothing about the easter bunny or santa clause, sorry whoever you are, but you know nothing, as the easter bunny is pagan and santa clause is folklore! God is real and Jesus is real and that is fact! God loves you anyway so try to seek and love him back!


Sue   April 23rd, 2010 10:17 pm ET

I am a Christian who happens to be "gay". I love God with every living breath I take. My personal relationship with God is a strong one. The relationship I have with God makes me a very strong, spiritual, and wise Christian that has deep spiritual roots.
I would like to know why is it that every time someone or something is different, the “suppose to be righteous” is the first to stand up to say it’s wrong.
Well slavery was a choice and God still has to judge the masters of it. Stealing another cultures land was wrong and God still has to judge the thieves. Do you understand where I'm going with this? There are 66 books in the bible, look at it like this, the 66 books are parables the so called Christians don’t understand what God is talking about. It’s about LOVE not slavery, stealing, or committing adultery. Think about it. God blesses the world everyday regardless of how much cruelty is in it and he love the lesbians and homosexuals regardless of how wrong the so called “righteous” think it is.


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 10:17 pm ET

What if God changed his mind about homosexuality? He certainly has the authority to do so. I mean they changed the rules regarding multiple wives, divorce etc. Why is it not possible for folk to be inspired by God in this day and age? Why would one believe self-proclaimed prophets who lived 2000 years ago, and can't believe our brothers and sisters living today and sitting right in our face? I thought God was creator of all that was seen and unseen?


Sandra   April 23rd, 2010 10:20 pm ET

Why when Christians stand on the word of God it's "judging"? Sin is an abomination unto the Lord, "any sin". Lesbianism and Homosexuality is a sin. If you don't repent and change, hell is your destination. God is a God of procreation, how can the same sex procreate?


keepitreal   April 23rd, 2010 10:20 pm ET

Blind following the Hypocrits .. and giving them a 10% tithe for deceiving them... I love it !!! If only Coke and Pepsi could duplicate that formula !


ajks   April 23rd, 2010 10:21 pm ET

Our family met Jennifer when she was at Pitt State. She had strong Christian convictions and I am wishing her well through her life journey.


atheist   April 23rd, 2010 10:22 pm ET

it's amazing to watch this guy, bob, and listen to this concoction of bull that this guy is spewing! we need less of these people who are so possessed by religion who try to tell others what wrong and whats right bases on a book of fantasies! i became an atheist a few years, but i do respect peoples beliefs, but to listen to this guy and others alike talk so strongly about their beliefs and to make this poor girl feel unworthy based on her sexuality, on live television, i cant believe they give him the time of day! the only difference between this guy and those radicals in the mideast is that this guy is more eloquent and instead of physically killing a person because of their sexuality he just kills their feelings....on national television! it's so sad to see an individual like this bob guy be allowed to ruin a person's self-esteem and how possessed the guy is, unbelievable! if i would still believe that there is a god out there and he would make choices based on an individual's sexuality or beliefs, i would say "no thanks" for a picky god!! the world would be a better place without all this religious rhetoric and religions! religion is the main reason for so many past and present wars, it was created by man to control and manipulate man, by the way of brainwashing from early childhood! if people would use all this energy and time, that they waste on religion and waitting for a so-called "god" to do something or wait for an answer, on helping the poor or do more for society, the world would be a better and safer place!


Bonnie   April 23rd, 2010 10:23 pm ET

I have been listening to the program tonight and can not help but wonder if Jennifer stopped performing because she worried that maybe her fans would have guilt that maybe they connected with her because of her sexuality. That maybe if she had totally revealed herself to the public then a choice would have been made before sharing faith through her song.
Would the public feel that Jennifer forces her passions on to innocent minds? I don't believe she has. I am a fan of anyone who has faith in God. Judge not unless be judged.


Julie   April 23rd, 2010 10:23 pm ET

Yes, I read the Bible night and day and yes! Drug abuse as we are not supposed to hurt God's temple, do YOU read the Bible. All are sins. What do you think God sells drugs or says it's ok to do them? haha wrong! Start tonight and start in the new testament, Matthew. Now, after Matthew's account of Christ it will tell you about Mark's then Luke's then John's . They all may sound like the same story and in a way they are the same story as all of these disciples were given divine inspiration to write about what they experienced and saw. Try it tonight, He is waiting and knocking. Jesus loves you!


Mike   April 23rd, 2010 10:24 pm ET

Congrats Botsford, on making Ted Haggard look like the voice of reason.

Spewing hate at a young woman because of what a mis-tranlsated book of bronze-aged middle eastern myths says?

No wonder Christians are mocked and ridiculed – they deserve it.

I hope all the Bible-quoting god-fearing holier than thou prigs in this comment section have never worked on a Saturday, backed-talked their parents, worn a cotton polyester blend or eaten lobster. Cuz according to the Bible, you have committed capital sins.

At least tell me you treat your slaves right?

Yeah, that's why your religion deserves no respect – it claims to be about love yet spews hate at every chance.

I'm so happy none of it is real.


sammy   April 23rd, 2010 10:25 pm ET

WHAT WILL ONE DO IF HIS/HER CHILD IS A DRUG ADDICT? I GUESS YOU WILL HAVE TO LOVE THAT PERSON ANYWAY, BUT WILL NEVER EVER AGREE TO HIS/HER BEHAVIOUR. ONE THING THESE GAYS AND LESBIANS 4GET IS NO ONE IS SAYING THEY ARE NOT LOVED AS HUMANS BUT RATHER THIER CHOICES IS WHAT EVERY1 IS REACTING TO


keepitreal   April 23rd, 2010 10:27 pm ET

Julie, I'm not delusional enough to judge other people based on a story that was written 300 years after jesus died in a time when there was No pens or paper.. and then translated into english 100 years after that. If the Bible is FACT, why did church leaders want to Burn at the Stake , the man that wanted to translate it into English so anyone could read it ?


kathy schichtel   April 23rd, 2010 10:28 pm ET

I can't believe there is any more room for fundamentalism these days.

I believe we need to move beyond our fearful and ignorant ways. That goes for everyone of any world faith who can't accept 'love of neighbor as self' as the true test of faith.

All texts surrounding the great messengers were written over centuries and edited for the purposes of social and political control. I don't think God would kick us out of heaven for using our brain and heart in this regard.


RAPHAEL ALMEDA   April 23rd, 2010 10:28 pm ET

I PRAY THAT ALL CAN SEE THE LIGHT FIRST HOMOSEXUALTY IS A SIN ITS FOUND IN NEW AND OLD TESTMENT AND WE HAVE A DUTY TO WARN PEOPLE WHAT GOD SAYS IN THE WORD OF GOD IN LOVE WE ARE NOT JUGEING WHEN WE SAY HOMOSEXUALTY IS A SIN GOD HAS ALREADY JUDGE THAT SIN IN THE HOLY BIBLE SECOND CAN HOMOSEXUALTY SEND A PERSON TO HELL AND ANWSER IS YES THE BIBLE SAYS GOD IS LIGHT AND IN HIM THERE IS NO DARKNESS IF A PERSON LIVES IN DARKNESS THEN HE IS NOT IN GOD THIRD CAN A PERSON WHO IS A HOMOSEXUAL GO TO HEAVEN YES IF HE OR SHE ASKS GOD TO FORGIVE THEM OF THERE SINS AND THEY TURN AWAY FROM THOSE SINS AND TRUN AWAY FROM HOMOSEXUALTY THEN YES THEN CAN FOURTH DOES GOD LOVE GAYS YES HE LOVES THEM ALL SO MUCH THAT HE GAVE HIS ONLY SON TO DIE FOR ALL WHO SIN READ JOHN 3:16 I PRAY THAT YOU ALL SEE THE LIGHT AND BE FREE FROM SIN I HAVE A BROTHER WHO IS GAY AND I LOVE AND PRAY FOR HIM EVERY DAY TO COME BACK TO GOD REMEMBER LOVE THE SINNER HATE THE SIN GOD LOVES US ALL AND GAVE US FREE CHOICE TO CHOOSE HIM OR SIN WE CAN ONLY SEND OURSELVES TO HELL BY NOT OBEYING GOD SO READ THE BIBLE AND FIND OUT WHAT GODS SAY ABOUT EVERYTHING LARRY KING I PRAY FOR YOU AND TED I PRAY FOR YOU TO AND THIS YOUNG LADY I PRAY THAT YOU WILL BE IN GODS LIGHT SOON BEFORE ITS TO LATE AND TO THE PASTOR KEEP STORNG IN THE FAITH AND GODBLESS YOU ALL AND GOODNITE


Terri   April 23rd, 2010 10:29 pm ET

There is a scripture in the Bible that talks about the responsibility of pastors and teachers and how they are held to a higher standard. I am grateful that Pastor Bob is not ashamed of the Gospel.

There are scriptures regarding marriage...how a husband and a wife are to treat one another...nothing about how homosexuals should treat one another.

Yes we are all sinners...yes it is about our relationship with Christ and not the law that leads to our salvation and everlasting life...only Jennifer knows how truly comfortable she is with her choice and only God knows how repentent Mr. Haggard is.


Kayla A   April 23rd, 2010 10:34 pm ET

Gluttony = Greed = Lust = Wrath = Murder = Adultery = Homosexuality = Gossip = Lying = Stealing = Taking advantage of the disadvantaged = Deceit = ... and so on = Sin

All sin is the same. There is no hierarchy of sin.


Pastor Mary   April 23rd, 2010 10:34 pm ET

I was listening to your show this evening, April 23, 2010 with Jenifier Knapp. I found it hard to sit still and not say anything. The Bible clearly said that we are to judge the Saint, but not the sinner. She claims to be a Christian, but a Christian is Christ-Like. Jesus warned about committing sin in the body, when He said "Know ye not that your body is the temple of the Lord. Homosexuality is detestable to God the Father, so it is like wise with the son, since He stated that He and the Father is One. He also mention that God would not be joined with a whore. The belief that you can be gay and be a christian is foolishnest. The Bible also said that there is a way that a man think is right, but the ends leads to death. There is no rules with christianity, it is only what the Word of God said and that is it. Without holliness no man shall see God. The next time you have a debate such as this invite some preachers that are students of the Lord and not students of their own worldly desires . Ps. it is about a relationship, but if you really have a relationship you would know that it is not about what you think; in others words it is not about God knowing you and what you like, but it is about getting intiment with Him and knowing what He likes. He want you to be spotless, with out blemish or wrinkles.


Julie   April 23rd, 2010 10:34 pm ET

Well, yes it even says in the Bible that in the end days that women and men would dream and prophesy so yes there can be prophets today but it also says in the BIble that if a man or woman comes forward with something and it is not in line with what the Bible says then it is false prophesy, which is running rampant lately. That's ok too because that's what's supposed to happen, but christians are supposed to know the difference and I can tell you as a christian that I know that if someone comes up with a new divine testimony it will surely not be a sexual one!! The act of sex is not considered a good thing in the Bible. Paul was never married and he tells that he knows that it is not good for a man to be married but if one absolutely can not fight their physical urge to have sex, then they should find a wife or husband and get married, but it is more ideal for them to not. Read the Bible!


jnbr19867   April 23rd, 2010 10:40 pm ET

I wish i was there in the studio to hand the pastor in the green jacket a bible open to 1 Corinthians 6:9-1, "Or do you not know that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor homosexuals, nor thieves, nor the covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, swindlers, shall inherit the kingdom of God. And such were some of you; but you were washed, but you were sanctified, but you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ, and in the Spirit of our God."

The most vital and important idea man needs to understand is that God's word is absolute. Even He refers to this as Jesus God incarnate, "If you love Me, you will keep My commandments." (John 14:15). This is were the personal relationship between man and Jesus and Jesus' mercy and grace (which was manifiested when he died to forgive ALL MEN, yes even those who condemned and crucified him, to wipe the slate clean for every single wrong and sinful thing every man has commited) is what utltimately saves man from eternal seperation from God in hell.

People confuse the forgiveness and grace of God with a free pass to pick and choose what parts of God's word (Bible) sounds go to them and then follow. As the saying goes "people dont like to here the truth when its about them and 'them' ultimately means EVERYONE. YES EVEN ME.

How can the creation have the gawl to question the creator. Does the creation have more wisdom/understanding than the creator?.... Sorry, No.

And even though you may think i am being patronizing to anyone who reads what i write now, all i can do is pray that God would help all man to find HIS truth on this subject, which can only be found in the BIBLE, because the bible is complete – Revelation 22:19 says it is. The Bible is God's manual to life.


Kayla A   April 23rd, 2010 10:42 pm ET

The disciples had to give up everything to follow after Christ. They gave up their families, their livelihood, their way of life as they knew and maybe preferred it. Whether their lifestyle before following Christ was their choice or not, they gave it up.

Matthew 16:24-26
24Then Jesus said to his disciples, "If anyone would come after me, he must deny himself and take up his cross and follow me. 25For whoever wants to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for me will find it. 26What good will it be for a man if he gains the whole world, yet forfeits his soul? Or what can a man give in exchange for his soul?

As Christians, we have to conform to the will of God. It's not easy, but if we profess to love God with all our heart, it is necessary.

Also- we all have sinned and fallen short. None of us can throw a stone.


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 10:43 pm ET

Paul was a self-proclaimed Disciple! He did not walk with the original 12 Disciples, which was one of the rules that was supposed to be used for acceptance of the a book into the Holy Canon. How do we know for sure that these individuals some 2000 years ago were not simply drunk and claimed divine inspiration? Being homosexual goes beyond sex it is about LOVE, which only comes from God. Why do we overlook the loving homosexual relationship between Jonathan and David in 1Samuel? I mean if homosexuality was so bad, why was David who was involved in a homosexual relationship the founder of the Jewish faith?


Bill   April 23rd, 2010 10:43 pm ET

I think Pastor Bob did a great job, for the most part, addressing the sin of homosexuality. I would agree with Bob, that in God's eyes, this sin, the lifestyle of homosexuality, is not any worse than someone who habitually lies... Furthermore, I feel the church, and many Christians, colors sin and homosexuality is often colored in a brighter color...

However, in watching the program I felt Pastor Bob failed to articulate what sin is...using the Bible, God's Word, as THE Word of Truth, 99% of the time "sin" is a willful decision to live in rebellion against God's Way...Sin is David seeing Bethsheba, lusting after her, and sleeping with her, all the while knowing it was wrong...Sin is Cain not obeying God's call for a worthy sacrifice, giving way to jealousy, and killing his brother, Abel...Sin is Adam's and Eve's choice to eat of the fruit God had commanded them not to eat...With this in mind, "Sin", throughout the Bible, and most of the time, is a choice to do wrong, choosing a lifestyle that God says is wrong, i.e. sex outside of marriage, lying, stealing, homosexuality, etc...Sin in regards to the laws laid out in Leviticus, were part of the Jewish law, were put in place by God under the Old Covenant, i.e. the law, and were directly related to the Jew's relationship with God, under the law of Moses...these are no longer required because Jesus is now the way to a relationship with God...in Him, Jews and everyone, finds relationship...

I am also continually troubled at how many Christian leaders speak of how Christ-followers sin every day...using the definition of sin, as I explained earlier, this must not, and should not, be the case...Are Christians called to be perfect and are they? NO...however, when we are born again, when Christ's transforms us into a new creation, the old passes away and new life in Christ takes it's place...our lifestyle changes...Jesus said, "I have come to destroy the works of the devil." In other words, through my Blood, through the Cross, through my Power and Spirit that comes into your heart and life, you can life a new life; your lifestyle of sin will give way to my lifestyle...am I saying Christ followers will never commit another sin, when Christ comes in? Once again, No! But with Christ as Savior and Lord of our Life, we will seek, through the Grace of God, and by the Power of Christ, to live a lifestyle that reflects the truth that we are in Christ...Christ-likeness, not sinful living – going against God's best for our lives, will be the rule of our lives...is this possible through human effort? No! Christ followers must simply yield to God's Power, allowing Him to empower our lives...the Word clearly says, "the same power that raised Jesus from the dead is alive in you." It would seem to me that if God's Power can raise the dead it can also empower the believer to live the life God calls us to...

To Jennifer I would simply say, "God loves you." I would also say that her sin in not any worse than other sins...Also, I don't understand what gay people go through...I do know that humanity has been cursed by sin...the debate of whether or not homosexuality is a choice or biological is indeed complex, but the solution is not...God's Power can enable us to live the life He has set before us in His Word...

Pastor Bob clearly laid out the solution, which is the Cross of Christ...Paul said, "I have been crucified, and I don't live anymore. The life I live, I now live by faith in Jesus Christ, who loved me and gave Himself for me."

To Pastor Bob, and other followers of Christ, I would say we need to better articulate what sin is, and the truth that Christ's Blood can forgive us of sins, and according to the word, "cleanse us from all sin." We can't proclaim in one sentence the truth that God's Word clearly teaches that homosexuality is wrong, and at the same time talk about how we live in sin...I will end with a question to Christian pastors and those who follow Christ...Does the blood of Christ have the power to forgive sin and does it have the Power to transform our lives from sinful living to holiness?


sally   April 23rd, 2010 10:44 pm ET

I sometimes wonder what people are reading. Have you ever actually read the Bible? For those of you wondering where it says homosexuality is a sin in the Bible. "Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 6:9-10. There are also other places in the Bible that speaks on this. It is so sad that their are so many people corrupting God's word. We are warned of this. Try reading 2 Peter, in particular 2 Peter 2. 2 Peter 1:20-21 "knowing this first, that no prophecy of Scripture is of any private interpretation, for prophecy never came by the will of man, but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the Holy Spirit." We are not to interpret the Bible how we see fit. We are to take it for what it is. It is the Holy Word of God. I urge you to read the Bible and read what it says. I am so tired of listening to people corrupting God's word. It scares me for my children. I agree we are not necessarily supposed to judge but what does it say in 2 Timothy 4:1-5? "I charge you therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: Preach the Word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministy." We are to correct people when they are misinterpreting the Bible and if they don't receive it, " And whoever will not receive you nor hear your words, when you depart from that house or city, shake off the dust from your feet. ' Assuredly, I say to you, it will be more tolerable for the land of Sodom and Gomorrah in the day of judgement than for that city!" Matthew 10:28 "And do not fear those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. But rather fear Him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell." But what these people are saying murderers could go out everyday and commit murders and be saved by the grace of God. We are capable of falling from grace. God is also a loving God, but have we all forgotten Noah and the flood. Everyone on earth was destroyed except Noah, his wife, 3 sons and their wives. God doesn't want any man to perish. "The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but it longsuffering toward us, not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance." 2 Peter 3:9. Repentance is a change of thought and action to correct a wrong and gain forgiveness from a person who is wronged. In religious contexts it usually refers to confession to God, ceasing sin against God, and resolving to live according to religious law. It typically includes an admission of guilt, a promise or resolve not to repeat the offense; an attempt to make restitution for the wrong, or in some way to reverse the harmful effects of the wrong where possible (wikipedia). Living a homosexual lifestyle you cannot do the above, confess, cease that sin, and try to live according to the law.


Kayla A   April 23rd, 2010 10:44 pm ET

David is not the founder of the Jewish faith. Abraham is.


Sandy   April 23rd, 2010 10:45 pm ET

Jennifer, God is so much more. He has revealed His love to you. do not allow the fundamentalist (MALE-DOMINATED) Christian sect rob you of this joy.


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 10:49 pm ET

King of the Jews


Alex Novik   April 23rd, 2010 10:50 pm ET

When are we going to start talking about good families?

All we talk about is stuff that destroys morality and common sense.

Show me a good family, good motives, a good example, not a personal life of a woman who most people wouldn't follow or respect.

WE ARE TIRED OF THAT BRAIN WASHING DIRT. LET'S START OVER ON SOMETHING THAT WOULD BRING FAMILIES AND THEN AMERICA TOGETHER.


Julie   April 23rd, 2010 10:51 pm ET

Also God did not create anything evil we are the ones who give satan power over us.Everything that is good, God created as in evolution, he created evolution and it is perfect as we as a species can continue to survive and propagate. If all were homosexual then our species would ultimately end and, so homosexuality would be a backstep in evolution which is what God created for us to evolve. If anyone is an atheist, they would be even more skeptical that homosexuality is an inherent quality as it would result in the extinction of the human species, not evolving as in what God created a woman and man and evolution, but an extinction!


JP   April 23rd, 2010 10:52 pm ET

I read some comments and realized that Larry King was right on with the having this debate.

Two sides of the fence – every person falls on one side of the fence vs. the other.

Let me just clear up what the two sides are not

Christian vs. non Christian
Gay vs. Straight
Gay Christian vs. Straight Christian
Sinner vs. Righteous
Gay Sinner vs. Straight Christian Sinner

If we learned anything from this show it was about judgment – and being hypocrites.

Two sides of the fence are

Love vs. Hatred
Kind vs. Arrogant/Rude
Humble vs. Proud
Helpful vs. Unhelpful
Tolerant vs. Intolerant
Supportive vs. Unsupportive
Honest vs. Dishonest
Forgiving vs. Unforgiving
Respectful vs. Disrespectful
Peaceful vs. Disruptive
Thankful vs. Thankless
Sincere vs. Insincere
Encouraging vs. Discouraging
Thoughtful vs. Thoughtless
Patient vs. Impatient

it doesnt matter whether you are gay or straight any person can fall on either side of any of the above – but if you are a CHRISTIAN you should be aware that these are in the scripture, and these are what each individual should focus on for themselves.

Everyone has a cross to bear – we should not go around putting the weight of judgment on our neighbors cross.

JK – Good for you for coming out – and staying true to yourself.
To the judgmental pastor, we all will answer to God, and you are not HIM.
JP


Kayla A   April 23rd, 2010 10:54 pm ET

Jonathan and David were "like brothers."

I sometimes wonder if men refrain from having close ties with one another because their relationship may be perceived as something that it is not.

Why can't men be close in a platonic relationship? Why can't men relate and bond with one another without the sexual aspect thrown in?


dennis   April 23rd, 2010 10:54 pm ET

sorry..I cannot and will not condon this issue from this person. I truely believe that if Miss Knapp is clinging to lesbianism its because she refuses to release it to God. If thats the case then her idea of Gods word regarding the sin of strange flesh( vain sexuality) isn't true. Then the choice to cling to the sin will superceed the need to cling to God. Yes we all have weak points of life. But the danger of publicly embracing the sin will show believers AND especially searching disbelievers the sin instead of Gods working grace in a persons life.
Thats why keeping it in the closet would make your sin an issue that you need to address privately in your prayer closet one on one just you and God. Now that you're taking your sin to the streets everybody will think that the gay lifestyle will be more chic than the protective freedom that the word of God gives to believers.

I think its a sham and a shame that christians come out in public to say its ok to remain in sin, yet claim they are walking in the will and word of God.
What will you do miss Knapp when on judgement day God looks at you and says you call me Lord Lord, but didn't listen to a word I say? get away from me I NEVER KNEW YOU!!!

best you lock yourself back in your prayer closet Miss Knapp, and get this issue out of your heart and life, and leave it in Gods forgiveness.
Ill pray for you because hearing about what you;re doing has made me ill at heart about how your actions will affect the church, especially those who are young in spirit and newly trying to grow in grace.

this is just another example of sin being called good.
for there will be those who call good evil and evil good..they are the ones who do the worst damage to society...and to truth!

Larry you made a mistake bringing tis to your show!


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 10:54 pm ET

I think the church is wrong on this issue, just as it was went it wanted to "kill" Galileo for proving the Earth was round. The funny thing is they must have forgotten the part of the ten commandments "thou shall not kill" So they were not following the rules that they expected everyone else to live by! Wow sounds familiar!


Kayla A   April 23rd, 2010 10:57 pm ET

Richard –
David was actually the second king of Israel. Saul was the first. Before the time of the kings, there were judges who governed the nation. And way before that, even before Moses, Abraham was the Forefather for the Jewish nation.


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 10:58 pm ET

LOL, yeah they were brothers alright!


Aaron   April 23rd, 2010 10:59 pm ET

Blah, blah, blah, why do so many people have to feel accepted by every group? If she didn't want to engage in debate about her choice why "come out" publicly? It's a choice! Almost everything we do is a choice. The bible says fornication is a sin too and we should use constraint and obstain from it. If being gay is not a choice than why would beastiality or pediphilia be a choice, after all we're talking about who or what someone is sexually attracted to. I have no problem with gay/lesbians on a personal level but why do they feel the need to control my thoughts on whether or not it's wrong. 90+ % of christianity world-wide agrees homosexuallity is wrong. Why do some gays and lesbians want to be christians but not want to accept what christian leaders and the bible teach as right and wrong? Jennifer admitts the pastor knows the bible way more than she does but then proceeds to try to tell him his interpertation is wrong and her's and a few others are right. I also thought that Larry really stacked the cards against the pastor (3 on 1). I have friends that are gay, fornicators, liars, whoremongers, and atheists but that doesn't mean I have to agree with them, worship with them, or accept them as christians. Next we will be looking up the greek word translated as "liars" and find an alternative interpretation so lying is ok too. News flash, you don't have to be a christian, it too is a choice. Lord means master, if God is your master you will listen to what he tell you to do without trying to pick apart what he says to have an out. Have a nice day🙂


keepitreal   April 23rd, 2010 10:59 pm ET

I bet every one of the Christian Hypocrits Masterbate... Ask you imaginary friend how he feels about that ? Read your bible !


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 11:00 pm ET

And Kayla was was not the crown of Israel passed down to Jonathan, Saul's blood son? Maybe because of that vow he took with his husband Jonathan..."Your seed shall be my see etc...."


Atheist007   April 23rd, 2010 11:01 pm ET

I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 11:01 pm ET

And Kayla why was not the crown of Israel passed down to Jonathan Saul's blood son? Maybe because of that vow he took with his husband Jonathan..."Your seed shall be my see etc...."


pegasian   April 23rd, 2010 11:01 pm ET

SATAN WINS when you use God's name to spread HATE!!! All of these Bible Belters are truly in the hands of SATAN.

Open your heart, mind and eyes to the true message of God that he sends you every day.

It is sad and pitiful that these fools will not realize their sin til the day of judgement. Jerry will Fall Well to Hell (and others of his ilk) because he has corrupted God's message for his financial benefit and to spread HATE. Hitler warned of the Jewish Threat to finance his movement. These Bible Belters are doing the same. To follow them is to be a new age NAZI.

How many of them have been caught with their own pants down? It is not about sin....it is about money and using HATE as a tool to lead the lost in to the destructive hands of Satan.

The ultimate sin is to use God to spread HATE. Therefore, these corruptors of his message of LOVE are the highest of all sinners and are blinding others to the true greatness and divinity of his works. All LOVE is part of his plan...who ever it is that you are meant to love.


Atheist007   April 23rd, 2010 11:02 pm ET

You're basically killing each other to see who's got the better imaginary friend


keepitreal   April 23rd, 2010 11:04 pm ET

Here Here pegasian !! Finally someone with a brain that knows how to use it !


atheist   April 23rd, 2010 11:05 pm ET

wow, some of you people are so bizzare with your comments, it's hilarious! boy, im glad i dont have any friends like you, possessed by a book, it would be so weird but then again it would be very hard to make such friends lol! i wish all this stuff was true but until a major "miracle" happens....keep on dreaming! lol
toodles


Kayla A   April 23rd, 2010 11:05 pm ET

David was appointed as king over Israel by Samuel under the direction of God even while Saul was still on the throne. David didn't claim the throne until after Saul and his son Jonathan were killed in battle.


Julie   April 23rd, 2010 11:05 pm ET

Richard, the truth is the truth and I pray that you get it in time as the end days are soon, also they were not drunk and even to a non believer it is very unlikely as the wine in those days wasn't fermented. I mean even Charles Darwin who wrote the book on evolution and questioned his faith wrote that he could never proclaim himself an atheist. Isaac Newton was a christian also. John Lennon before he died sought Oral roberts to help him seek Jesus as savior! So if you have to have celebrities to follow- those are just a few.


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 11:08 pm ET

Well at any rate there was definitely more than a "Bro-mance" going on between Jonathan and David.


Atheist007   April 23rd, 2010 11:09 pm ET

Men never commit evil so fully and joyfully as when they do it for religious convictions


Aaron   April 23rd, 2010 11:09 pm ET

Hahaha, pagasian comes on here talking about hate and spreading hate while doing his/her fair share of it. That's what is called a hypoctite.


Kayla A   April 23rd, 2010 11:11 pm ET

Goodnight everyone!

May God help us as we lean on God's grace throughout our journey.


Atheist007   April 23rd, 2010 11:11 pm ET

When I was a kid I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord doesn't work that way so I stole one and asked Him to forgive me.


Linda Williams   April 23rd, 2010 11:13 pm ET

Larry,

The show broke some ground, but I strongly suggest you have Donnie McClurkin, Grammy Award winning Christian artist who CAME OUT OF HOMOSEXUALITY' (iN THE CLOSET AS A CHRISTIAN SINGER FOR YEARS).

Please consider having him on as the true 'counter' to Jennifer's stance. I think personal experience should speak to personal experience as well as all the other Biblical issues, etc.

Thank you

Linda


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 11:13 pm ET

Now they probably will go back and make another version of the Bible. I mean it already has so many versions it is unreal. I mean Jeniffer made an excellent point that went unnoticed on the show. Our language does not translate in the same manner as Greek, Hebrew and Latin. So we really need to be careful when we try to make something a sin when it is not. People are killing themselves and being killed by your intolerance.


Richard Wilson   April 23rd, 2010 11:16 pm ET

Pray for yourself. Like my grandmother says "I don't want anyone praying for me" Seems to me you worship the Holy Bible more than the force that inspired it!


Julie   April 23rd, 2010 11:17 pm ET

I agree Aaron.


keepitreal   April 23rd, 2010 11:17 pm ET

Not sure I understand your comment Aaron ? I agree with pagasian..Evangelical Christianity is just as bad as Nazi Germany. They are "preying" on the lost souls to gain control over their minds and 10% tithe !!! Suckers ! Keep your 10% and send your kids to college so they can get a good education and escape the Mind control of delsusional thinking ! Only then will the world be free from hatred


pegasian   April 23rd, 2010 11:20 pm ET

If the Holy Spirit is truly in your heart you can never look at an act of LOVE as a sin. LOVE is the true spirit and message of GOD in all its forms.

To deny this is to deny GOD at his core and his true message. If you want to "pray for the sinner,'" I hope you are praying for yourselves. Take SATAN's veil of HATE off your eyes and find the TRUE MESSAGE of GOD.

To follow blindly is to volunteer to be a tool of SATAN. Open your eyes, mind and heart to the true signs of his LOVE that God sends you every day.

GOD is LOVE

SATAN is HATE and Destruction.

To say any act of honest LOVE is a SIN is to follow the path of SATAN and not that of GOD'S.


Julie   April 23rd, 2010 11:20 pm ET

Goodnight and God bless us all!🙂


Julie   April 23rd, 2010 11:22 pm ET

One more thing; remember God is love but love is NOT sex!


Aaron   April 23rd, 2010 11:24 pm ET

You can love something that's wrong. Money is good but the love of it is not. Not all love is pure and good. When the bible speaks of love it isn't our western idea of a feeling.


atheist   April 23rd, 2010 11:25 pm ET

i bet there is no difference between some of you hardcore believers on this message board as to how much you believe and those extremists! all of you should make up your own country and live there in happiness hopefully and peace lol, and leave the rest of us and spare us of all these fantasies that u keep reciting!

and if something could make you think twice, check out the story about the parents in portland, oreg who were sentenced to16months in prison for not giving medication to their son and save his life, instead letting him die and thinking that "god" is gonna heal him, by rubbing olive oil on him! the church where these idiots belonged to had a cemetery full of kid's graves because other parents chose their ignorant beliefs over treating and saving their kids with 21st century medication! such ignorant criminals should be locked up for life before other poor kids die needlesly! it's sad and tragic that something like this still happends in today's day and age, sad, sad, sad......


Bill   April 23rd, 2010 11:25 pm ET

Religion – man's attempt to organize faith and in this case, Christianity, has hurt a lot of people...as a follower of Christ, and as a pastor, I have given my life to explaining the difference between religion and relationship...all religions, including Christianity, has caused great harm...so, let's get beyond religion and go directly to the Person of Jesus Christ...Jesus never hurt anyone, but in fact died for everyone...Jesus, God's Son made one statement that brings this discussion to an "intersection of Truth"

"Love God with all your heart, mind, soul and strength, and others like yourself." Loving God with "all" calls me to daily look at my life to make sure I am living in accordance with His Word, and better yet, Jesus – the Word become flesh...in love, I would ask Jennifer to search God's Word and her heart, to see if her lifestyle is more about her, or about God...but no matter how she would, respond, I would still show her grace and love...

To those who are writing comments, those Christ-followers who are standing by the Word, let's do so in love...to those who disagree and are lashing out against those Christ-followers who are standing on the truth of God's Word, I would simply ask you to read the gospels, get to know Jesus, find out for yourself who this Man is and was...I don't know, but perhaps religion has hurt you...if that is the case, I pray you will forgive the church but purpose to know more about Jesus, who by the way did not start a religion but is the key to a relationship with God...

You are loved, Bill

The Word of God is indeed Truth...still, the Word became Flesh, Jesus Christ, because God desired relationship, not religion...


Julie   April 23rd, 2010 11:25 pm ET

Oh and please don't capitalize satan as he is just about 2 inches in heighth and is a very dumb being, who can only have control when one gives him control- no power of his own at all so dont put any significance on him.🙂


keepitreal   April 23rd, 2010 11:26 pm ET

Julie – "Pastor" TedHagart has shown us all that love is not sex ! Thanks god for religious men like Ted !


Lourdes   April 23rd, 2010 11:28 pm ET

2 Cor 10:3-5
3 For although we are walking in the flesh, we do not wage war in a fleshly way,4 since the weapons of our warfare are not fleshly, but are powerful through God for the DEMOLITION of strongholds. We DEMOLISH arguments 5 and every-HIGH MINDED thing that is raised up AGAINST the KNOWLEDGE of GOD, taking every THOUGHT captive to the OBEDIENCE of CHRIST.

Prayer sis/bro in Christ Jesus is the only way for some to be brought out of darkness and others from hardness of heart.

2 Tim 3:16
ALL Scripture is inspired by God and is profitable for teaching, for rebuking, for correcting, for training in righteousness.

Titus 1:9
holding to the faithful message as taught, so that he will be able both to encourage with SOUND teaching and to REFUTE those who CONTRADICT it.

My spirit is griefed by what I see and hear.We who are strong or mature in spirit and in the truth MUST reprove those that are in ERROR and Jesus did a lot of that. Lets not confuse condemnation with correction.

The Word of God is righteous and truth and a double edge sword.

Men can come together debate, discuss argue or talk but in the end His word remains forever.

And by the way Larry if anyone says that Jesus or an angel has said or given that person or group a revelaition if it is in agreament with Scripture so be it but if it's not in agreament it is a LIE.
That is why many are being decieved for they do not read the Word of God to search for the Truth.


pegasian   April 23rd, 2010 11:31 pm ET

Sex when it is an expression of true LOVE between two individuals is the height of GOD's work. The gender does not matter. GOD sends signs of this every day.

To HATE a TRUE LOVE is to HATE the TRUE MESSAGE of GOD.

HATE any LOVE and YOU HATE GOD!

He gave us free will but said he would send signs to those who kept their eyes open for them. Use your own eyes to see the true LOVE of GOD


Aaron   April 23rd, 2010 11:33 pm ET

Keepitreal, Ted is spineless. He was gay but now he says hes delivered from it but doesn't want to say it's wrong? The fact that he claims he was delivered from it shows how he really feels about the subject. If it wasn't wrong in his mind what would he need delivered from?


Atheist007   April 23rd, 2010 11:37 pm ET

And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that it would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt its existence


keepitreal   April 23rd, 2010 11:38 pm ET

Yes Bill, the church has hurt many people.. Any CULT hurts people. Saddleback Church leader Rick Warren has documents that recommend business marketing techniques to gain control over peoples minds and manipulate them to "buy" what you are selling. Is that hurtfull ? I have a friend that was "healed" and stopped taking medication for Schizophrenia and then commited suicide.. Yes FAKE healings do hurt people ! I wish the Government would put an end to these !


Atheist007   April 23rd, 2010 11:46 pm ET

The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a sober man is happier than a stoned one


pegasian   April 23rd, 2010 11:46 pm ET

If you need proof of the corruption of GOD's Message of LOVE, just look at any teen's suicide when they are told they are damned and a sinner for being gay. A moment like this is truly the work of SATAN.

GOD made me gay and I am part of the greater plan. It forces me to be braver and more honest with LOVE to do his work.

If you use GOD's name for HATE you are truly in the hand's of SATAN and every gay teen suicide's blood is on your hands.

Open your heart to the real LOVE of GOD. Do not follow blindly.


Julie   April 23rd, 2010 11:52 pm ET

Those parents in Portland were not representing my christianity as the Holy Bible does not say that doctors are bad or medicine is bad, unfortunately those people are very sick in interpreting it that way and it makes me uncomfortable when people try to represent the Bible with belief systems like that- what they are doing is trying to justify their wrong actions with the Bible. so don't be presumptuous and read it for yourself.🙂


Aaron   April 23rd, 2010 11:52 pm ET

Like the government hasn't done worse? And if the government gets involved in religion watch out. There are snake oil salesmen everywhere even the church but that doesnt mean it's all bad. The apostle Paul said there were wolves amoung them already and the church wasn't even 30 years old. the church is made up of people and people are flawed and imperfect but the vasr majority of christians are good people that would help you if it is in their power to do so. by the way we did start our own country it's called America, a place where we could have religious freedom without going to prison for it.


Bill   April 23rd, 2010 11:55 pm ET

Keep it real,

You spoke of how "cults" hurt people and you are right...I don't know about the claim you made about Rick Warren; I would say I respect him but don't know him personally, of course🙂

The idea of cults and churches hurting people, is directly related to getting away from the truths of Christ...for example, many ministers lead people astray...this happens when the distort the word and make it about themselves...this is what happened with Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc.

With this in mind, we must know and live out the truths of Christ...For it is then we will know the truth, and will not follow anyone who breaks from it...

Bottom line – cult leaders, and many religious leaders, make it about themselves and lead people astray, and hurt them, by distorting the Word...I am a pastor and it is not about me...I am simply a vessel through which God's Word is spoken...so when I minister to people, I simply let Christ – the Way, the Truth and the Life, speak through me, through His Spirit and His Word...

Blessings, Bill


Atheist007   April 23rd, 2010 11:56 pm ET

I still say a church steeple with a lightning rod on top shows a lack of confidence


pegasian   April 23rd, 2010 11:58 pm ET

Do you realize that the bible and several saints warned of God's name being used to spread HATE.

In fact the "end of days" and the coming of the anti-christ is predicted by the corruption of GOD's word as a tool of HATE.

To spread HATE over all forms of GOD'S LOVE is to do the work of SATAN. Beware.


Julie   April 24th, 2010 12:02 am ET

Im sorry keepitreal that something like that happened to your friend. I went through something very similar 3 years ago which drew me even closer to God and if I had not had the Bible and gods words then I don't know what would have happened to me. All I can say is miracles do happen and God does heal. He healed me! Also your friend is in heaven with God and he is fine and maybe you should just take a look at the Bible. God bless you.


Atheist007   April 24th, 2010 12:02 am ET

The difference between philosophy and religion....
Philosophy is questions that may never be answered.
Religion is answers that may never be questioned.


keepitreal   April 24th, 2010 12:04 am ET

Bill

How about Todd Bentley's deceptions of Thousands along with all the "PAstors" that endorsed him and said it was a move of God.. Only to find Mr Bentley out getting Drunk every night and Cheating on his Crippled ex wife AND kids with his young attractive intern. If this is how God moves, it's not for me. If not then All those "Pastors" that BS'd people about this being a move of God, so come give your "freewill offering" and gert "healed" , owe the World created by God a public apology. Doubt we'll get that ? Brian Simmonsin West Haven CT said is was a move of God, then took all references on his web site down when it came out that Todd Bentley was Satan himself


Gretchen   April 24th, 2010 12:04 am ET

Jennifer Knapp,

If indeed the Bible says that homosexuality is a sin (and it does, repeatedly) and all sin is the same (murder, theft, lying), your argument falls short. The difference is that a lie is a one-time event that can be confessed, repented of, and a person changed as a result. Homosexuality can also be confessed, repented of, and a person changed. But continuing to willfully choose to live in a sin is spitting in the face of Jesus sacrifice for sin – his death on the cross. That is the difference.

Most sins are willful. We choose to lie, to get angry, to take something without paying for it. A life of compulsive lying is living a life of sin just as much as living a homosexual lifestyle. But should we go on sinning so that grace may abound? No! We are called to be holy as He is holy. It is something we cannot do under our own power.

If you think you are homosexual because it is what comes naturally to you, think about this. It comes natural to me to lie when I'm caught on something I tried to hide (not turning in a report on time). My defenses come up and I'm quick to argue and lie to cover up my error. That is the natural man. But God calls us to die to self (that natural man) and be a new creation in Him. If how you live comes naturally to you, why do you need God?


Lori   April 24th, 2010 12:04 am ET

It seemed that Jennifer and Larry were ganging up on Pastor Bob.. Bob wasn't saying that one sin was worse than another, he's saying that a born again Christian should try to distance themselves from a sinful livestyle. Someone trying to be closer to God should not choose to remain in a situation that will lead them down the wrong path..


Atheist007   April 24th, 2010 12:06 am ET

We must question the pure logic in the story of having an all knowing and powerful God, who creates faulty Humans, and then blames them for his own mistakes


Atheist007   April 24th, 2010 12:10 am ET

The fact that a believer is happier than a heathen is no more to the point than the fact that a sober man is happier than a stoned one


Barbara   April 24th, 2010 12:10 am ET

She rocks. The Unity Church doesn't have the issues other churches do.
Where do all the folks working for the SEC go? I have issues with those churches.

unity


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:11 am ET

Let us be clear. Homosexuality is a "sin" based on a interpretation of an unauthorized biography, written 300 hundred years after the death of the subject by people who never met him. Furthermore, the text has been re-edited so many times that we have lost count. The original text was in a lost language for which we were lacking the key.

To follow a current interpretation of the bible blindly would be like basing your core religious beliefs on an interpretation of a Katy Kelly Biography by a vicious Drama Queen with a hidden agenda.

Their are fragments of GOD'S WORD in the bible but his true message is before you every day. GOD is LOVE. ALWAYS ACT from LOVE and NOT HATE and you are with GOD.


Gina   April 24th, 2010 12:13 am ET

I know too many good Christian GLBT people that have been kicked out or politely asked to leave their church because of sexual identity.

Our churches wonder why attendance is low, and donations have dropped. Maybe if they taught the love that Jesus taught while on earth things would take a huge turn for the better.

The churches are like the military, "don't ask, don't tell but while you are here at church take part in Sunday School, or possibly teach a class and don't forget to give.

You can be gay and be a Christian, you can also be a Christian and not be attending church.


JW   April 24th, 2010 12:15 am ET

Jennifer is not as comfortable with her decision to be a lesbian as she presents. Obviously she is very confused. She certainly is no longer , if ever embracing Christianity.


Atheist007   April 24th, 2010 12:16 am ET

@ pegasian

Good point.. and to take it one step further... who even knows the existence of the original characters in the Bible? It could have all been a hoax!


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:16 am ET

speak the truth-

that can also be interpreted to warn NOT to USE GOD'S WORD for HATE


CAMILLE   April 24th, 2010 12:17 am ET

IF YOU ARE A TRUE CHRISTIAN THEN YOU WOULDNT JUDGE..ONLY GOD KNOWS HER DESTINY! AND IF SHE IS HAPPY SHE IS HAPPY..PEOPLE ARE JUST HATERS IN THIS WORLD! AND ONLY GOD CAN JUDGE NOT ME NOT ANYONE ELSE! IF IT DOESNT AFFECT MY TAXES I CAN CARELESS WHAT SOMEONE DOES!GOD ACCEPTS EVERYONE! AND PEOPLE NEED TO REALIZE THAT! EVERYONE IS A SINNER NO MATTER WHAT! SO LEARN NOT TO JUDGE SOMEONE CAUSE OF THE MAN OR WOMEN THEY LOVE! CONGRATS TO HER FOR COMING OUT!


Priscilla Medina   April 24th, 2010 12:17 am ET

I have always loved and enjoyed Jennifer Knapp's music. She is beautiful and talented, and I commend her for being true to herself and her faith. Who are we to judge? God has made her, blessed her and gifted her, and she is not abandoned by Him. Keep kicking ass, Jen! I will continue to love and listen to your music!


Atheist007   April 24th, 2010 12:18 am ET

@ pegasian

What if there is NO god?


Jean Miller   April 24th, 2010 12:20 am ET

When my 11 year old grandchild shared w/me that he didn't like girls and was only interested in boys my response was "you are perfect" and God doesn't make mistakes" That is the Love that I know in my creator.

I am proud of Jennifer for accepting the beautiful person that she is, that God created her to be.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:20 am ET

Athiest007....your initials aren't JB are they?


Atheist007   April 24th, 2010 12:21 am ET

The invisible and the non-existent look very much alike


jack   April 24th, 2010 12:21 am ET

I think all religions evolve. Jennifer seems to be a nice lady and should seek spiritual wisdom wherever that may take her. Since many people professing religion are hobbled by stale dogma, they often limit themselves . We should quit hating people who are different, as long as they are not hurting others. In the case of Preacher Haggard that was a different situation. There was a man misrepresenting himself:a hypocrite. That was the main problem. Sure, if you want to be dogmatic, their are verses in the Bible that condemn homosexuality: but if you took everything literally you would be stoning people for silly reasons. You would be acting like the Taliban. I think most people have evolved beyond that primitive outlook. Some haven't , and they are spiritual babies and need to become educated and wiser.


Ann   April 24th, 2010 12:22 am ET

Of course you can be gay and Christian at the same time. They are not mutualy exclusive. It just means that like all single people you must also be celibate. That is the only way.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:22 am ET

There is a GOD. I never doubted that. It is just that his work often falls to tainted hands.


keepitreal   April 24th, 2010 12:24 am ET

Julie – Maybe your body healed the way a cut finger heals, but it wasn't because some kook touched you on the head !


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:26 am ET

The true perversion of GOD'S MESSAGE is to use it to spread HATE.

Therefore, the HATERS are the PERVERTS that are in SATAN'S HANDS.

I PRAY they wake up to the TRUE MESSAGE and WORK of GOD!


Bernie   April 24th, 2010 12:29 am ET

I believe that we are all of GODS Children and that he does not discriminate against any of his children as long as WE(no matter of race creed or color) accept Christ as our Savior and repent and serve Christ daily. All Else is in his hand


jack   April 24th, 2010 12:29 am ET

Pastor Bob is an example of what I mean by someone who is dogmatic.


steve   April 24th, 2010 12:29 am ET

I cannot believe that anybody thinks that they are smarter than the creator of all things that we are aware of. God did not create people to be homosexual. He did not create sin either. The devil is said to be the ruler of the world and the world is in spiritual darkness. It is easy to notice that the devil blinded people. Larry should be ashamed of himself for asking the question didn't God create homosexuality. We humans think we are so smart. But when everybody is desperate who do they go to? No matter who you are you will mention that either God will save you or it's His fault you are in the situation that you are in. The bible does say that if you are practicing homosexuality you will die. It doesn't say that if you have those feelings that it is wrong. It is the act.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:30 am ET

You can only stand up for your own truth but it is insanity or hubris to say that it is the sole "truth" of God.


Mesha   April 24th, 2010 12:31 am ET

I wished I was on eastern time. I live in HI so this is a bit delayed and I believe it to be so true. There is more discrimination in the church lately than I have seen ever. Jesus called us to love all and He also gave us free will. What we do with our choices is between us and God. No man is God and has the authority to judge another. It says judge not lest ye be judged. I am a Christian and love the Lord w/all my heart as I believe Jennifer does. As man/woman in the flesh we can take any of the scriptures in the word of and use it for our own interpretation. I believe only God is the judge and she has the right to chose and she will have to live with that choice. Christians are becoming so fear based and hateful it is doing such a disservice to people who love Jesus and want to imitate Him. None of us our worthy of being a Christian! A Christian is Christ like! We all have sin may it be a spirit of bitterness, anger, rejection, un-loving Spirit, FEAR, and so on! NO! We all have these issues and repent daily for them so that may be free in Christ Jesus.... Ephesians 6:10Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand...Our battle is spiritual not personal when you recognize that you can live a life knowing we are free because we have the spirit of God in us. We are not God and He is the only judge I know when it comes to her beliefs, not man. Remember we are called to love! If you are going to judge this woman, please check your own heart b/c we are not the judge, jury, and executioner. This is between her and God!


Clair   April 24th, 2010 12:32 am ET

It is a sin to be gay. It is plain and simple. Being a Christian is not picking what makes you happy but what makes Jesus happy. If you are truly a Christian and pursue a growing relationship with Jesus Christ then you would know that being gay does not make Jesus happy. As for me I want to make my Savior happy. Jesus died on the cross for all sins including homosexuality but makes it clear that its a sin to live that lifestyle.


Doug   April 24th, 2010 12:33 am ET

It would be an understatement to say I applaud Jennifer’s courage. Don’t underestimate the struggle endured by a person of unconventional sexuality born into any fundamentalist system, whether Christian, Jewish, Muslim or another. For those using tiny fragments of the Bible to condemn Jennifer, for those of you using the phrase “hate the sin, love the sinner” to justify your prejudice, let the Spirit of God guide you in your search as you open your mind to all of the Bible. Celebrate its value, but acknowledge its inconsistencies. Would you use a text that is even ten years old to guide you through a college chemistry course? Recognize the work of respected biblical scholars that have studied the origins and cultural underpinnings of the Bible. They don’t discard the Book, but acknowledge its literary limitations. They take Christianity to a new level, as opposed to those who remain mired in the kind of biblical interpretation that justified real abominations—slavery, subjugation of women, economic repression, prejudice and, yes, genocide.

The narrow view of those condemning Jennifer Knapp on the basis of her sexuality works for a straight fundamentalist, because that person has not been sufficiently challenged to leave the comfort zone of their selective interpretation of the Bible. They make their interpretation of the Bible the “One Way,” as if they know the mind of God. This is inconsistent with some of the tenets of their own theology and sorely limits the God they also believe is omniscient, omnipotent and omnipresent.

The Gospel stories of Jesus’ life include no indication that he took any stand whatsoever against the issue of homosexuality. Those Gospels are replete, however, with Jesus’ condemnation of the prejudice and hypocrisy of the religious leaders of his day. Those religious leaders had him killed in an attempt to silence him. The fact that we are having this discussion is evidence that even Jesus’ murder could not reverse the social revolution he started. Jesus took sides on many issues. Based on his track record of outreach to the outcast and vilifying corrupt religious leaders, shouldn’t an educated Christian think twice about aligning with bigotry cloaked in piety? Shouldn’t an honest Christian seek not to condemn, but work to expand their tolerance in a way that would please the central figure of their faith?


Maria   April 24th, 2010 12:33 am ET

I was saddened to hear that Jennifer Knapp went with organizations and some so called churches that twisted the Bible for their and her own comfort level. Too bad she didn't feel convicted when she heard the truth in Evangelical sermons. What a sad role model to indulge in this type of behavior. She needs our prayers to come back to the Lord.


Liz   April 24th, 2010 12:34 am ET

A heart only knows another heart,,not color,wealth,religion or nationality. There are ALOT of gay Christians...yes,,you can be gay and Love the Lord..been there done that..so i can really relate to her with also the part of going to Bible School. Jennifer's relationship with Christ is exactly that..between her and Christ. If people dont agree with her lifestyle,,then pray for her,,cause when ya talk about it and pass judgement you are gossiping..that too is a sin.

Jesus said "I will never leave you or forsake you"

Judge not,,God is the ONLY judge.

I say good for her having a committed relationship that has lasted longer than some marraiges !!

Be Happy..and if thats what she has found to complete her..


Francis Tavares   April 24th, 2010 12:35 am ET

Why can't a gay person be a Christian? I am a Catholic since birth but right now I have issues big time with the Catholic Church on sexual abuse by priests on young boys. Look at how the church have covered up on this matter? Both the present Pope and the late John Paul knew and just covered up. Anyway getting back to the initial topic, I just want to say one thing and that is if a person does anything wrong against his or her own conscience, as a Christian, the saying is that you will be judged by God, the creator of the Universe, period. Furthermore, even if you are not a Christian or belong to any other religion, a person with a conscience obviously know right from wrong, like for example murdering someone or robbing a bank. Being a gay has no bearing to religion. And really what is "sin?" right now I have major issues with the "Holy Bible." it is assumed that the context came from God. In the New Testament it quotes like, "According to Matthew, Mark, Luke and John." Someone in those times had to be recording them. Who!!!! Those apostles were illiterate, fishermen, farmers, etc., so how can we say that they could hear the voice of God and document on paper? Gay people have every right to be what they are and no one ahoud just others based on religion.


Mike R.   April 24th, 2010 12:35 am ET

Jennifer Rocks!

God gave man free choice. And that mean that no matter what God may have told his representative to write, men (and I mean men) embellished, rewrote and even change base on their views and times.

Jesus say there are two laws above all. Love and obey god, and love and respect your fellow man.


Carlos Enrique Zeisel   April 24th, 2010 12:35 am ET

As both a Sociology Professor in New England and as a devote Christian where I serve in the capacity as Outreach Minister for my Church in Salem, MA. I applaud Jennifer for her difficult decision to come out as a lesbian. God made Jennifer in his image and her decision is acceptance of who God made her to be. Some in my church do not agree with my position, but we love each other and respect each other. I respect Jennifer and have missed her music. Jesus believed in relational missional living and all he asks for is loving your neighbor. I support Jennifer and extend my hand in love to her and she can always count and me and my church for support.


steve   April 24th, 2010 12:35 am ET

But you know that the bible says that we all sin, but if we intentionally sin than that is unforgiveable until you stop for the reason to do God's will.


Ray Greenway   April 24th, 2010 12:36 am ET

I want Jennifer Knapp to know I believe you can be both lesbian and a christian. I am an 83 year old heterosexual male and admire her courage in going public. Homosexuality is not a sin as long as you believe it is not a sin. If God made any of us then God made homosexual humans also.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 12:36 am ET

Pegasian what message are you calling hate? Because someone believes homosexuality is a sin doesn't mean they hate anyone. Some gay/lesbians believe it is a sin does that mean they hate themselves?


jack   April 24th, 2010 12:36 am ET

The problem with dogmatism becomes manifest when people cling to myth rather than seeking true understanding and spiritual evolution. By thinking they are the only people who have the truth, they often become divisive, and start persecuting or doing violence to others that do not share their particular belief system. This insistence on dogma has resulted in countless wars and has been responsible for many draconian laws, that are still with us. That is sad, when we have so much potential.


Mike   April 24th, 2010 12:37 am ET

The true word of God DOES NOT spread hate, its only taking that way by the people it is directed towards, I hope that those who profess to be Chriatians know that homosexuality is a sin and will not be accepted in Heaven, Shame on you Larry King, the word of God is not to be mocked God created Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve, He tells us that it is not for man to sleep with another man, you go Pastor Bob hang in there, don't give in preacher, don't be a coward tell her.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:38 am ET

To find GOD is to pray, meditate and "simplify, simplify."(Thoreau).

Decide and then commit to whether at the core your god is a god of LOVE (GOD) or a god of HATE (SATAN).

Then all your acts should follow by the spirit of your true God in your heart.

NO PREACHER can lead you to GOD....to truly find GOD you must seek him out on your own.


steve   April 24th, 2010 12:39 am ET

Ray Greenway, if you believe murder or rape is not a sin, dude its still a sin. What you believe and what God says are two majorly different things. Wow people need to read the bible and study it.


Liz   April 24th, 2010 12:39 am ET

A heart only knows another heart,,not color,wealth,religion or nationality. There are ALOT of gay Christians...yes,,you can be gay and Love the Lord..been there done that..so i can really relate to her with also the part of going to Bible School. Jennifer's relationship with Christ is exactly that..between her and Christ. If people dont agree with her lifestyle,,then pray for her,,cause when ya talk about it and pass judgement you are gossiping..that too is a sin.

Jesus said "I will never leave you or forsake you"

Judge not,,God is the ONLY judge.

I say good for her having a committed relationship that has lasted longer than some marraiges !!

Jennifer found what completes her,,..Good for her ! may God continue to Bless her !


Julie   April 24th, 2010 12:40 am ET

Pegasian, no one is hating lesbians or Jennifer or homosexuals here! We are just trying to do what Jesus wants us to do- spread the gospel to all creatures! I even read the Bible aloud to my dogs and they appreciate it I know because even though some say that animals don't go to heaven I know they do as God made them first and then made us to care for them. God loves all animals! However, being a christian means that I have the responsibility to do my part to bring all of God's children to him as He does not want even one to perish. He loves you weather you love Him or not- just know that. "But whoso hearkeneth unto me shall dwell safely, and shall be quiet from fear of evil." Proverbs 1:33. I love that one. Also, please read Luke14 and especially 15 as it is chock full of faith building history.


Maria   April 24th, 2010 12:41 am ET

I was saddened to hear that Jennifer Knapp is gay. She has heard the truth and has rejected it. Going to other so called Christian churches that have twisted the scriptures to make you feel more comfortable is not the answer. She has already some people influenced in the wrong direction. She may sing well, but she is no longer a good role model.


Lisa   April 24th, 2010 12:41 am ET

I find it very amusing that any follower of the Church has the nerve to say anything negative about Jennifer given the fact that such a large percentage of Priests have been sexually abusing children. How about what is "right" in those cases? Such hypocrites.


Nardos Zewde   April 24th, 2010 12:42 am ET

I believe Jennifer knows that being in same sex relationship is a sin. I always wonder why people don't understand this simple fact. Even animals are able to understand it. Have you ever seen a male dog/male cat/or any male animal have sexual intercourse with its male partner? C'mon!!!
When it comes about God all creatures testify which one is right and which one is wrong. You don't really have to argue whether the Bible that you are ready is written in the original language or not.


Rev. David Trexler   April 24th, 2010 12:43 am ET

Jennifer don't allow these so called religious hypocrites to let you believe for a moment that the love you feel for your partner is a sin! True love is a gift from God!


Rachel   April 24th, 2010 12:43 am ET

Hello,
I just wanted to respond to this story. First off, the pastor was not judging her. Jennifer was trying to justify her actions. If she wants to be gay then that's her, but she is sinning. No different from a thief or a liar. No one is bashing her, she came on t.v. therefore she should have expected people to have opinions and feel indifferently. The media is making it seem as if homosexuality is okay. If that is so, then I ask is it okay to murder and rob? The bible said all sins are equal and she is no exception. If everyone was gay how could we reproduce?


jessica   April 24th, 2010 12:43 am ET

did christ tell his followers on the mount of transfiguration that there were many things he hadnt taught them because they erent yet capable of understanding? how do u know homosexuality wasnt one of those things? if god is creator of all things then he creayes hermaphrroditic animals and humans. why would god create gender ambiguity if he intended only heterosexual intercourse to be sanctified? that's illogical based on the observations of nature!


anonymous   April 24th, 2010 12:44 am ET

Wow, Jennifer was so classy and well-spoken in this interview. Great, great Job, Jennifer!


Lindsey   April 24th, 2010 12:44 am ET

This Pastor needs to listen to his own advice. He is judging her. Telling her her choices are not what god or jesus would want for her. Jennifer has showed nothing but love for her higher power. If God was unhappy with her choices, why would her life succes come directly from her love for him? Gay or straight you should have the right to love Jesus. You should always be welcomed in a church. Without someone telling you your life choice is a sin and God will not welcome you.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 12:44 am ET

I have never been so assured of Christianutty than after reading all the comments here and listening to the Haggard former Pastor and Pastor Bob Bastard.. Now I am not near as confused about where I am headed. Out the back door on this business and light up a joint.


steven   April 24th, 2010 12:44 am ET

Pastor Bob is right she is justifing whats she is doing.its sin no matter how u look at it and if she died in that state she would go to hell.The bible says we must repent of such things.Pastor Ted is incorrect of what he is saying.


Floyd   April 24th, 2010 12:44 am ET

One needs to say that no one cast a stone, cause we all are not without sin..
All human beings have freewill, freedom, freedom of choice...
I am listening to larry king and this pastor is passing judgements .. Yes, thats his believe, that i understand but at the same time he has no right to pass his believes on someone else ..
Everyone deserves the right to be happy,, free of hate


Susan   April 24th, 2010 12:45 am ET

Jennifer is a beautiful, whole, complete, and sinless child of God, just as Pastor Bob needs to remind himself that he is. His focus on "sin, sin, sin" is a disconnect from the message of Christ. Christ does not make a single mention of the issue of "homosexaulity" in the four Gospels we have access to. Please verify.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:45 am ET

@Aaron-

If you do not allow, support and defend my right to express my appreciation of GOD in a true expression of his LOVE with my own love .....you are doing a hateful act and the work of SATAN.

To say my love is a "sin" is to say God talks to only to you and not to me. I disagree with your view.

Furthermore, to not defend my rights and views is to be against true religious freedom in this country and sir that is HITLERVILLE.


steve   April 24th, 2010 12:45 am ET

This is sad to see that so many people claim to have love for God but are encouraging others to sin, read the bible. If you had a little bit of REAL faith than you would not approve this. Larry must really love not having to serve God. This means although he may be intelligent, that he is a very ignorant person.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:46 am ET

The true gospel of Jesus is in his creatures on display for you every day and not in the bible.


jack   April 24th, 2010 12:48 am ET

, Behold Preacher Haggard has evolved in his religion. He was torn by the reality of life and ancient dogma. Perhaps he found himself.


Johnny   April 24th, 2010 12:48 am ET

Here are some inconsistencies with what the "pastor" has said: God is love! We are called to love one another. It is not love to condemn someone based on how they measure up to someone's version of "the truth." The pastor said that he does not condemn, but his words and attitude don't convey that. Please show love to everyone, regardless of creed, sexual preference, documentation (referring to "illegal aliens"), class, etc. God said this: love one another, no exceptions. May God bless you always.


Megan   April 24th, 2010 12:51 am ET

I don't personally believe that homosexuality is right BUT I grew up in a very strict LDS (Mormon) home. When I went out on my own, I learned there's a bigger world out there. My family cut me off COMPLETELY because of my choice to live with my boyfriend. I strongly believe that if you have faith in ANY religion, you are here to treat people with kindness and understanding and NOT judge eachother. We all have sin and it's all different. If this is how she lives, then so be it. It is our duty as faithful God loving people to accept who she is and leave it be. Whether you're a bishop, priest, pastor or whatever, it is NOT your right or job to tell people when they're in the wrong. That's why we have God! We are here to live our lives the best we know how and hope that God forgives our sins, if he sees them as sins. In my opinion, my family is closer to going to hell or whatever you believe in than I am for living with my boyfriend. You don't have to like what she's doing but you do have to love her and everyone else the same. THAT IS WHAT WE ARE HERE FOR!!!


jack   April 24th, 2010 12:51 am ET

@steve ...you sound dogmatic. If you were convinced that your faith was absolute truth, why would you be so worried about what others believe?


Rebecca   April 24th, 2010 12:51 am ET

The only righteous person tonight on Larry King Live was Pastor Bob, and I feel bad that he had to get caught up in that arguement with Larry, Jennifer, and that other guy who claims to be a pastor. It was sad to watch them try and override him. Bob is blessed with knowledge, grace, and truth, and you can tell this just by the way he acts and by what he says. One thing I've learned from the Bible is to NOT get into arguments with those who live as non-believers!!!!


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 12:52 am ET

@Rev. David Trexler

Glad to finally see a man of the cloth that is not strung up on an iron cross of ignorance and biblical brevity..


CP Strawn   April 24th, 2010 12:53 am ET

A paradox at best; a sin at least. Please explain to me how a church who professes to want to help sinners get to heaven will turn and, ,basically shun a homosexual.. As they lthink homosexuality is sinful, why do they not open their doors warmly to all sinners.?


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 12:53 am ET

This is a theological debate being argued by mostly theologically uneducated people who are ranting more about feelings than what the book says. What the book says is the main thing on this particular issue because she is wanting to be a christian and be a lesbian. Plain and simple the bible condems it. Choose one or the other. YOU DON'T HAVE TO BE A CHRISTIAN!


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:54 am ET

I would have no problem with these preachers if they would be honest enough in their HATE that they would campaign to not allow any heterosexual couple marry unless they were of their church, race, firtile and ready to bread.

If you strictly read their lost bible that is their god's message.

This is a god of HATE and it is not my GOD.

...and I KNOW this is NOT the TRUE GOD.


steve   April 24th, 2010 12:55 am ET

FOR JACK!
My belief is way different than prob most any others in here. And I believe that anybody who claims to love Christ and God, should do what they say. Jesus very specifically said that you are to love others by trying to help them get to him. If I seen somebody drowning I'd throw them a lifejacket if I couldn't swim out there myself to save them. But I would try to keep them from dying. That is why I am worried about others veiws on this matter and others


Susan   April 24th, 2010 12:55 am ET

I'm sorry, but I'd respectfully like to ask Bob to stop depicting Christ in the light in which he's depicting him. You are diminishing and demeaning his Essence, sir. Christ is incapable of judgment, rebuke, punishment, or separation, because he embodies complete truth, love, atonement, wholeness, and mercy, and unity. Please don't make Christ smaller than he is. First of all, it's impossible, and consider how you are hurting those who would know him.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 12:55 am ET

Pastor Bob the Bastard is probably a closest homosexual who does battle with a male affixed rubber doll.


Rebecca   April 24th, 2010 12:56 am ET

God did not create humans to live as homosexuals. This is very obvious to anyone who can see that two females will never be able to create another human life together, naturally.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:58 am ET

@ Steve-

Why does my strong faith make me the sinner and you the saved? To deny my faith is an act against God. A true christian defends all faiths and expressions of LOVE because this is the true work of God.


PRINCE   April 24th, 2010 12:59 am ET

WHY THERE ARE NOT GAYS IN OTHER LIVING THINKS? WHY HUMAN? WHY DO WE HAVE REPRODUCTION ? WHY AMERICA SAYS THEY TRUST IN GOD BUT PRACTICE GAY? WE SHOULD BE CAREFUL IN WHAT WE ARE TEACHING OUR CHILDRENS THESE DAYS. IF ALL OUR PARENTS WERE GAY HOW WILL AMERICA HOW WILL THERE BE A REPRODUCTION. WHY ARE WE LETING THE DAVIL TO PLAY A PART IN AMERICA. WE ARE SHOULD REMEMBER THAT GOD IS VERY ANGRY WITH THIS NATION.


Rachel   April 24th, 2010 12:59 am ET

You know some of you on here poke fun like the almighty is a joke. When judgement day does come I hope you have that same sense of humor. Again, be gay if that's what you want to do. I have gay family members and I love them, but its a sin. America has strayed so far away from the truth. Homosexuality is a CHOICE, and all you people on here trying to justify it probably don't read the bible. I am not judging anyone, but people need to take responsibility for their lifestyles.
Oh and to those people on here who said how do you know Jehovah God is real, he is the reason you wake up every morning.


ali   April 24th, 2010 12:59 am ET

Bob Botsworth spoke the truth in love. Larry King and Jennifer Knapp tried to confuse the issue as much as possible. Maybe if they would have let him finish at least one sentence they would have realized that he actually was intelligently answering their questions. Thank you, Bob for standing up for the truth of God's Word.


johno   April 24th, 2010 1:00 am ET

Ms. Knapp, I applaud your eloquence and pray for continued, love peace, joy, knowledge, understanding, patience and wisdom for you and others like yourself.
I also pray the same for both pastors who for me have yet to grasp not the knowledge of the word of The Bible but its deep wisdom and spirit.
The core creed of The Bible is about love and care for ones neighbor. These men speak with guile because they are the descendants and beneficiary of the spoils of the hate of the common man especially those of dark complexion.
They have yet to repudiate this in a profound way. You are just a member of the new group to which they can direct their vitriol and common ministrations.

They make martyrs of you and all whom to which they direct their hate. Many of us still do labor with the mental slavery that they have been promulgating even to this day.


steve   April 24th, 2010 1:00 am ET

@pegasian,
Satan is called the god of the flies, or beelzebub. There are many "gods" out there. The one true God is the one that says that the practice of homosexuality is wrong. If this is not your god I am sorry.


CP Strawn   April 24th, 2010 1:00 am ET

I really enjoy the antics of Ellen on her show. On Idol I feel she is not happy there, to the point of looking sad at times. I will be glad to see the real Ellen come out.


Anthony Odwin   April 24th, 2010 1:00 am ET

Hi Larry, please ask your guests if God is perfect. Then ask them if God would go back on his word (Law) then tell them that God said that his LAW is forever. forever means just what it says forever. God also said to Moses that 40 years he had his people in the desert to see what was in their hearts if they would serve him or no. He preserved them even caused them to hunger so he can feed them with manna from heaven
that THEY MAY KNOW that MAN CANNOT live by bread alone BUT BY every word that comet out of the mouth of GOD .meaning by all his Laws commandments and statutes. Man means all mankind .


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 1:02 am ET

to truly know God is not in a book, text, bible, sermon or TV show...it is visceral. The true gospel of God is open to you 24/7/365 but you ignore the message before you for the false words of HATE/SATAN.


steve   April 24th, 2010 1:02 am ET

@pegasian
What if you love watching little children get raped, or in fact if you loved to do so yourself? Does this make it ok because it is my faith? Your faith is not mine to judge, but I promise you if you let me show you from your own bible what it really says and means, than your faith would be guided to a different God.


sally   April 24th, 2010 1:03 am ET

Matthew 7:13-14 "Enter by the narrow gate; for wide is the gate and broad is the way that leads to destruction, and there are many who go in by it. Because narrow is the gate and difficult is the way which leads to life, and there are few who find it"

Matthew 7:21-23 "Not everyone who says to Me, "Lord, Lord shall enter the kingdom of heaven. Many will say to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' And I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"

Just because we call on the name of the Lord doesn't mean we are saved. There are several steps we must go through. Many people go to John 3:16 "For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Som, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have everlasting life." We need to remember to read everything in context also. I suggest starting at the start of chapter 3.


Ezekiel   April 24th, 2010 1:03 am ET

Read, read its easy there is no mystery! GOD revealed his Word through the Holy Spirit ,jennifer is wrong she does not know the Word of GOD this is what is called the great Apostasy! deny,deny, deny.When you have your own opinion on the Word of GOD you've just stepped off the cliff.Larry is an unbeliever and does not have the truth in him so he is blind and does not know the will of GOD.Pray for the both of them that their eyes are opened to the Truth!. Read the book of Jude.Ezekiel


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 1:04 am ET

Sin is sin, whether gay, cursing, pornography, etc. In saying that I am a Christian who does believe homosexuality is wrong in the sight of God just as suicide is, however I also believe that I am not the judge "God is" and his word is truth, that's where I have a problem when any person whether homosexual, heterosexual tries to change God's word because it doesn't suit what they want to do, as I stated I am not the judge, so I would love any person as Christ says we must, but also feel that I totally disagree with there lifestyle. This last thing however do people really look at humans and the great creation of humans, how God made nervous systems, bones, muscles, genitals to reproduce, brains, etc., God made it perfectly, an to tell God you made these but when you made me you were wrong because I am not attracted to who you created and designed me to be attracted to, what a person feels, not distinguishing between spirit and flesh, I would be very careful, because people want to blame God for everything when he gave us all choice and people forget that there is a enemy that exists called Satan, who only purpose is to steal, kill and destroy. None of us can do all the things we want to do and expect God to back it, especially when it goes against his word. My brother was gay, and I didn't love him anymore or less because of it, but he died 8 years ago at 25 years old from AIDS and he said on his death bed he knew his lifestyle was wrong and felt God was judging him and asked for forgiveness, it hurt like hell, but truth will always be truth, whether we like it, or not, whether it justifies our position or not, and I must say even science backs God on this just observe God's creation of man and woman. Also pedophiles believe it's okay to sleep with kids, they feel it's right, does it make it right, abusers think it's okay to bully and beat their victims, does it make it right because that's what they feel, remember God not only destroyed homosexuals in the Bible, but whores, sinners altogether and not just because of who they were, because God doesn't want any to parish, but because when they heard truth, they understood truth, they refused to turn from there ways. People want God's blessings on their terms, God is the creator in their minds until God says if you love me you'll keep my commandments, until God asks for us to let his word abide in us, to live according to his word, that's when God seem to become convenient for people on their terms, if you truly believe God is God than you know he makes the rules and he places his word above his name and promises it will not return to him void. I am no where near perfect but I do know that I have to try to live righteously to be a example of what I preach, God says do not be conformed to this world but be transformed by the renewing of our minds, no sin is greater or lesser than others, but please don't act like it's all not sin.
God Bless


GEORGE   April 24th, 2010 1:04 am ET

IT'S AMAZING HOW PEOPLE IS AFRAID TO CALL SINS SIN, I LISTEN TO PASTOR TED ON LARRY KING DEFENDING LESBIANS AND GAYS AND STRAIGHT PEOPLE AS THE SAME WHICH IS TOTALLY INCORRECT CHRISTIANS SIN THAT PART IS TRUE, BUT NOT CONSTANTLY SINNING AS ONE IS LIVING CONSTANTLY IN SIN AS LESBIANS AND GAYS AND IF ONE DIE WITH THAT BELIEVETH IN THERE HEART WITHOUT REPENTING THAN ACCORDING TO THE WORD OF JESUS CHRIST THEY WILL GO TO HELL, REMEMBER THE TWO THEFTS THAT HUNG ON THE CROSS ASIDE HIM ONE REPENTED AND DIDN'T TO THE ONE THAT ASKED FOR FORGIVENESS, JESUS THIS DAY I SAY UNTO YOU THAT YOU SHALL BE WITH ME IN MY KINGDOM, BUT UNTO THE OTHER ONE HE SAID NOTHING.


dennise dible   April 24th, 2010 1:05 am ET

the Bible was worte by man not god!!! the only thing writen in the Bible that was directed by God was the Ten Commandments given to Moses to bring down to his people. If God was so against same sex activity then why did he place it all through out nature. Why can only the writen word of people hundreds of years ago be the only view point. Relgion once declared many diseases the work of the devil.Are other sexual difference a sin? Children born with both sex organs sinfull? Why worry so much about gays destroying what marriage is supose to be? Men and women are doing a great job of destroying marriage. they don't need nayones help. God will decided what is a sin not some group that is scared of what they don't know or understand.


Virginia Hopkins   April 24th, 2010 1:06 am ET

If I had young children or a teenager, I would be concerned about any singer who sings about sexuality with the same sex. That is not setting a good Christian example for others. Perhaps Jennifer feels comfortable with her choice but some parents may not like such influence on their family. Gin


steve   April 24th, 2010 1:08 am ET

@sally,
you must be the same religion as me. I can tell by the bible that you are quoting from. If i'm right it is the New World Translation. If so Hello sister. And you are absolutly right, read the whole book and don't pick 1 verse out of ever book and give a ruling on what it says. The whole bible is inspired of God and beneficial for teaching for reproving for setting things staright. 2Tim. 3:18


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 1:10 am ET

@pegasian
I never once critisized you for voicing your opinion. As for your theology on love in any expression being of God, I disagree. If you love money is that also a offering of appreciation? If you love young boys would that also be an offering? I think it is a flawed philosophy you have.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 1:11 am ET

God made me Gay and I accept it as part of his plan. In my youth, I asked God to tell me if my love was a sin and he sent me signs and faith to calm and reassure me that I am a child of his love just as I am.

God is my saviour and saved me from those who have lost his message of pure LOVE in all his works.

My faith in God is as strong or stronger then any of yours because I asked him at a crossroads to reach out to me and he did.

You would have preferred I would have been lost to God and committed suicide as a teen? To preach a message that would lead to this is an act of SATAN and not of GOD.


DEBBIE KUHN   April 24th, 2010 1:12 am ET

Pastor Bob is in denial, he is judging Jennifer. As a Christ follower, I choose not to judge another's sins.....


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 1:16 am ET

@Aaaron-

True/Honest love is not an act of pedophilia. That is an act of hate and control and is Satan's work. To play this game of semantics is to confuse the core truths of God and does the devil's work. Satan comes in many forms and can sometimes hide behind the costume of religion.


jack   April 24th, 2010 1:17 am ET

@steve...How can you be convinced you are right , and billions of others , not of your particular faith are wrong?


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 1:21 am ET

@Aaaron-

A valid interpretation of the Bible is often used as an defense for a husband raping a wife. Is this valid expression of God's word?

Please answer but limit it to Yes or No.


PRINCE   April 24th, 2010 1:22 am ET

WHY OUR PRESIDENT OBAMA APROVE GAY RIGHT IN AMERICA BUT MARRIED WITH TWO CHILDREN ? WE CHOULD HAVE LEADERSHIP BY EXAMPLE. MAY BE IS LOOKING FOR SECOND TERM. OUR GOD HAVE SAID IT CLEAR IF YOU DISAPOINT HIM IN EARTH HE WILL PUT YOU TO SHAME BEFORE HIS FATHER. PRESIDENT OBAMA IS HAVING FUN AT WHITE HOUSE AND TELLING US TO BE GAY . IT IS ONLY A FOOL THAT SAYS THERE IS NO GOD.


jack   April 24th, 2010 1:23 am ET

@Steve...It is generally agreed by scholars that 2 Timothy was not written by Paul. Why are we to be convinced that a particular canon of ancient Jewish books has any more authority than any other books?


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 1:24 am ET

To truly know God is to know the simplicity of his message within your soul and to let no one else interpret it for you.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 1:27 am ET

@pegasian
No one would want you to kill yourself. Why would someone want to kill themselves because something you want to do is critisized. That's like a child killing themselves because their parent told them they couldn't do something the child really wanted to do. No one is telling you that you are not a valuable and loved human-being. They are just saying the bible says something is wrong and that something is something you happen to like. You don't have to be a christian you know. If you're not than why bother in the discussion? The disscussion is about being a CHRISTIAN and doing something that the christian institution teaches is wrong for christians. If your not a christian then why does it bother you. (I'm not saying you're not a christian, I don't know where you stand on that but from your posts I'm getting your not a traditional christian at the least)


jack   April 24th, 2010 1:27 am ET

@Prince...Since about one out of six people are gay , why would President Obama ignore them? Aren't they just as much citizens than your group? You talk as if President Obama should not consider them citizens of equal value. I disagree with you, and your closed mindedness.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 1:29 am ET

@Aaaron-

I am christian....just not your type of christian. Do you have a problem with that?


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 1:31 am ET

@Aaaron-

Your "traditional christian" rapes his wife and says he was doing "Gods work." I am glad my God saved me from that sin.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 1:35 am ET

Fear..the loathsome four letter word that was catalyst for the eruption of all faiths..all Gods..all the faithful's pathos persona's and performances in the parishes of their choosing. Up the Islamic organizations that think they will stop any critiques of their form of plastic preaching. Fear is the cause and effect for the creation of man's first weapon...his God, to combat his fear and it has never been used as wisely as it should. Silly Human Race.


Raymond Anthony   April 24th, 2010 1:36 am ET

God so loved mankind that he gave Jesus to die for the sins of the whole world. All have sinned and fallen short of God's perfection. It does matter what the sins are, we all have failed because of Adam and Eve. This including Jennifer, Larry,Pastor Bob, and myself. The whole world is loved perfectly by God. But, inorder for the people in the world to take advantage of God's promise, we must obey God's word. God says that he is not willing that any should parish, but all should come unto eternal life through Jesus Christ.
After you confess with your mouth that Jesus Christ is your Lord and Savior, you now become a child of God. Once you become a new creation in Christ Jesus, old things are past away and behold all things become new. Jennifer as a Lesbian is as much saved as pastor Bob, because her salvation according to New Testment 1st Peter Chapter 1 verse 4 is incorruptible, undefiled and faded not away. If she has not been taught and discipled in the word of God, God is rich in abundant mercy.
But the catch 22 is the other scripture, which says the "wages of sin is death", but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus. Jesus also says, "If you love me, keep my commandment or word". We show are appreciation to God the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit by following his commandments to the best of my ability.


jodjayd   April 24th, 2010 1:37 am ET

I have a cousin that is gay and he is my favorite cousin in the world but I can't stand the fact he is gay just as I can't stand the fact this girl is who she is but it's not my place to judge her for the Lord will do that when it is time and if she thinks it's not a sin to be gay that's where she needs to read on more about the Bible. People sin but try to follow the right road not continue the wrong road. Our world is ending for a reason....because of what this world is becoming and the Bible says it very clear!


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 1:37 am ET

@pegasian
No, but where is that verse found? I never said the bible is always interpreted right but on this issue you would have to stretch and twist to make it not say it is a sin. This is not a court room where i have to answer y/n and you get to do all the talking setting up the responce to match your point. Open debate is good for everyone.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 1:38 am ET

@Aaron-

To say my interpretation of God's message is wrong and yours is the only true word is:

1) Hubris

2) Against Religious Freedom

3) Not the "American Way"

4) and be honest with yourself it is an act of HATE


jack   April 24th, 2010 1:40 am ET

If you want to examine the effects of fundamentalist belief systems, please take a look at the Catholic Inquisition, the Puritan witch trials, and the Taliban. All are examples of what can happen when people who think they are the specially chosen of God gain control. Live and let live if you want a society you can live in. There has been far too much cruelty and barbarism in the name of different religions. They all thought they could do no wrong. They were wrong, based on the results of their actions. Being dogmatic breeds fear. Fear breeds cruelty. Not that there aren't very nice people of all faiths, it is when they start being intolerant is when things can get nasty.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 1:41 am ET

@Aaron-

You are twisting too but just not self aware enough to see it. My true gospel is a walk in the woods. That is the only message that someone strong in God's faith needs.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 1:43 am ET

@pegasian
Now all traditional christians rapes their wives? Wow that means 70% of Americans are either raping or being raped. You;re skirting the issue by making outlandish claims to divert the conversation.


jack   April 24th, 2010 1:45 am ET

Once we become convinced we have all the answers, especially answers built on myths, we become blinded by false conceits. Enjoy your fantasies , but realize everyone's is different. There, see how simple that is?


steve   April 24th, 2010 1:46 am ET

@jack
I am no catholic! I have done my research into the bible. You are right. There are also some scientists who say we cam from nothing. That by chance, a mathmatical impossibility, we came into existance. But this is considered to be the best solution. And they teach it in schools even though by defenetion, evolution is a religion, that this is fact. It is a theory. Every single "scholar" that denies the writers of the bible, such as book of Daniel, Isaiah, Revelation,ect, are ignorant and have been proven wrong over and over. Do your own research, don't believe thatever I or anybody says. If you want real answers, do REAL work, and don't stop until you are satisfied


Dodie   April 24th, 2010 1:47 am ET

Here is an oxymoron for everyone...

Is man one of God's blunders.....

Or is God one of man's?

You choose!


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 1:48 am ET

@Aaron-

According to what you said, without the bible there is no God. God was before, after and will out last all text and media.

His greatest/purest messages surround us and are not bound or interpreted by anyone.

God is all and we are all of God and of his plan of making. He strives to remind us of this daily but many are blind and confused by false tongues.

God is in every act of pure LOVE. That is the core of his message and should never be twisted.


steve   April 24th, 2010 1:48 am ET

@jack
Also catholics backed a certain person that we all know and dislike, Hitler. Research it. The truth is out there, but it is going to be hard to find. Jesus said it is like squeezing through a door that is almost shut, but if you try hard enough you will make it. Also Jesus says that his people would be no part of the world, that is how you will find them. If the whole world is saying one thing, it would be wise to go the opposite way.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 1:50 am ET

@pegasian
Hubris? Aren't you are telling me that my interpretation is wrong and you have the only truth?


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 1:54 am ET

@Aaaron-

Do you ever read non-religious media? Wife rape is excused by the interpretation of many religions (present day and historically)including christian ones.

The bible also allows slavery. I take it you are not black?

Why do you KNOW, HAVE FAITH that the bible is "interpreted right (your words)" when it comes to being gay?


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 1:54 am ET

@pegasian
"In the beggining was the word, and the word was with God, and the word was God" John 1;1 Can't be seperated


Andy   April 24th, 2010 1:57 am ET

You can be attracted to the same sex and be christian.

Scripture is clear, not sure what's so hard to understand?

IT IS NOT SIN to be BORN attracted to the same sex.

IT IS SIN to 'CHOOSE' to commit the sexual acts... it's just that simple.

So, you can be christian and attracted to the same sex, but if you are a practicing homosexual, you are expected by the Lord to repent just the same as any other sinner.

God desires anyone who sins to come to repentance.

2 Peter 3:9
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.


jack   April 24th, 2010 1:58 am ET

@steve... I have done quite a bit of research on the subject. Are you aware , for instance, that the gospels of Luke and Matthew are based mostly on Mark, and that John has a quite different theology than the other three? Are you aware that there are very many contradictions ibetween events in the four gospels ?. Are you aware that the gospels , were not written by eye witnesses? If you read miraculous stories in other ancient scriptures such as Hindu scriptures, would you give them equal weight, or would you declare them as being fantastic? These are all things that I must consider , and not just accept a particular ancient collection of books because people declare them to be the one and only authority.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:01 am ET

@Aaron-

You are basing your "faith" on the interpretation of a book. I base mine on daily signs. I am just pointing out your fallacy.

It is not hubris to tell you to lift your eyes to look for God's true message. It is hubris for you to say I must lower mine to see to see the only truth and that mine is just not as valid as yours.

Aaron, if your promote, support and vote for Gay rights and marriage, I will take back the hubris comment.

Otherwise you are saying your God is right and mine is wrong and do not support religious freedom.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:02 am ET

@Aaron-

the "word" of God is not the bible it was written by man.


Lawrence R.   April 24th, 2010 2:03 am ET

What any of us say is moot. What God says is the only important thing.

God says that homosexuality is a sin. He calls it an abomination in both the OT & NT. There is never a time when He condones it.

The most important thing is this: If one is condemned to Hell for eternity, it will not be for their fornication, homosexuality, murders or anything else. It will, be because they did not accept Jesus Christ as their Lord & Savior.

Although we cannot judge a person's salvation, we can judge the fruit of their life – what they do in their lives that shows their trust in Jesus for salvation. A natural outgrowth of one being submitted to Jesus is to follow His law & example.

His law – the Bible – is clear that homosexuality is sin. His example is that He calls sin by its name. He doesn't call a sin an "alternative lifestyle". He doesn't say that someone was "born that way". We all have a choice. Jennifer Knapp has chosen to walk away from the Lord.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 2:05 am ET

I don't watch christian television, listen to christian radio, nor do I read christian papers or magazines. I am a libertarian and I believe gay/lesbians should be alowed to marry. I am a white male and have a black step-brother whom I love. I would rarely be accused of closed-mindedness. I am just saying the bible says something and you are saying it doesn't. Please enlighten me on your interpretation of Romans chapter 1. According to the bible it is a sin but that doesn't mean I don't like you or that we wouldn't be friends. It just means that we disagree on the interpretation. I'm not saying God will burn you at the stake and I'm not saying he won't. I'm not saying he would or would'nt burn me.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:10 am ET

@Aaron-

Do you believe that the bible was written by God?


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 2:10 am ET

@pegasian
The burn at the stake is just a figuer of speech, I don't believe in hell. And it's not supported in the bible if you study it out.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 2:12 am ET

No. It was written by men who were inspired by God.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:15 am ET

@Aaron-

Do you admit that "man" is a flawed image of God?


steve   April 24th, 2010 2:17 am ET

@jack
Jesus also said if someone wasn't willing to stop being ignorant in the simple truths, to wipe dust off your feet when uyou leave their home. Time is running out whether you believe it or not. If i were you I would just pray and put your trust in God that He will guide you to what you need to know. I have nothing but love for you brother. See ya.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 2:18 am ET

Look, if we were talking about gay/lesbian rights I'm with ya. The government should stay out of religion. I think you should enjoy all the rights and freedoms I do, but this is about the what the bible says. Why try to be in a group who doesn't agree with your position? Why do you need approval of the christian faith?


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 2:22 am ET

Flawed image yes, but by choice. I believe Adam was a perfect image before he chose to sin. I believe Jesus was a perfect image too. It is sin that seperates us from God.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:23 am ET

@Aaron-

I am just trying to make you realize that therefore the bible is a flawed translation of God's word and that one must be wary of all interpretations.

It is the word of flawed man in which the core message of God is hidden.

Simplify and cut away all of the interpretations and spins within it (many added in re-writes for socio-economical benefits) and get to the pure message of DO ACTS ONLY OF LOVE and you are with God and act from there.

The bible came after God...but God's Truth came before.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:26 am ET

@Aaron-

Adam came before the bible and he with God's paradise before a textual interpretation of it. His gospel was God's splendor that surrounded him and that will always be the only true word of God.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:28 am ET

Aaron-

have you talked at your church about supporting gay rights?


jack   April 24th, 2010 2:29 am ET

@steve...Thanks for sharing your beliefs. I am glad you have love for others, but feel free to expand your beliefs. You may be surprised at the many other sources of spiritual inspirattion. Do not be afraid to question things, that is why we have the faculty of reason. Faith unquestioned can mislead us as well as dismissing all things spiritual out of hand. We must have balane. Peace


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 2:32 am ET

It's not like we don't know the scriptures that are contested and suspect of alteration. The portions we're discussing are not contested by any school of theology. If you believe God speaks to you in signs then surely you believe he spoke to the Apostles and prophets. And if God spoke to them surely they had the integrity to write what he told them.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:34 am ET

@Aaron_

Furthermore, I feel this spin game both sides play with the bible further separates all sides from the true word of God.

It is a text that will be judged as flawed and as hearsay in both the court of man and God.

The bible is a book. God is a power that you can only be one with by filling your soul with his love and acting only in love.


Theresa   April 24th, 2010 2:37 am ET

I am curious ...for those who proclaim they are Christians....if your child came home i,informed you that he/she was gay....would you try to talk them out of it, would you even talk to them? Hopefully you wouldn't disown them! I somehow remember there's a verse in the Bible...that we are not to judge!!!!!


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 2:38 am ET

No I haven't spoke to my church about it but neither do I hold my opinion back when the subject is raised. I feel like everyone should be allowed the pursuit of happiness even if I disagree theologically. I have a cousin that cheats on his wife often. I love him, he's my friend, but I would tell him he can;t do that and be a christian. That doesn't mean i'm spreading hate though.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:38 am ET

@Aaron-

The true Apostles were centuries dead when the bible was written. You might as well quote the dinosuars as proof.


jack   April 24th, 2010 2:41 am ET

@pegasian... Yes, there are many books which can inspire. God transcends all material things . You've hit upon it . God is Love.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 2:43 am ET

@theresa
It would not change my relationship with him but I wouln't assure him the bible is ok with it either.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:46 am ET

@Aaron-

But you support your church financially? Then you support their Gay Hate.

I told my priest that I stopped making offerings when he said AIDS was God's damning of homosexuals. I lost many friends to the crisis and most were straight and some were children.

I t old him that when he consistently edited out the HATE, I would give offerings again. I haven't dropped a coin since the mid 90s...I give it to charities doing God's work purely.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 2:50 am ET

In the bible love is an action not a feeling. Because you feel attracted to a same sex person doesn't mean you love them. Love is how you act toward someone/thing. You can love someone and not have sex with them. If everyone goes on how they feel there would be no right or wrong. Have you ever heard the phrase "do what thou will is the whole of the law" that was written by Alexter Crowley I think.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:51 am ET

@Aaron-

And AIDS is believed to be the mutation of an animal virus caused by the mis-use of antibiotics. Man's flawed actions again and not the hand of God.

But when your god is based on HATE you can spin anything to be his action.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:56 am ET

Aaron-

To be fair based on your interpretation of the bible, all homosexuals and heterosexuals must stop having sexual intimacy to be one with God.

But didn't God give us both types of sexual expressions of LOVE and free will?


Jacqui Schultz   April 24th, 2010 2:56 am ET

"Mate". How patronizing and insulting. A lesbian gets her partner or wife called a 'mate' on prime time TV. Can we move on from the references to sex, please. Al Gore's wife is not called his 'mate'. Governor Palin's husband is not called her 'mate'. Let's show some courtesy Mr King. Partners are partners, 'marriage' with all it's political ownership is not relevant at this point. Thanks.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 2:58 am ET

I don't know which churches you visited but mine doesn't preach hate. I have never heard them say anything but love toward all sinners. We have gay people visit all the time. We have 2 men who are open about their struggle with homosexuality in my church and one plays the organ. No one is slamming them nor do we condone it. We simply say this is what the bible says and when you fall get back up. We are not haters. If we truely believe it is a sin wouldn't we be haters for not telling them we believe God isn't pleased with that behavior?


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 2:59 am ET

@Aaron-

Your interpretation is based on the bible. We covered that as a mightily flawed source.

Homosexuality occurs frequently in nature and as it was for Adam that is man's only true word, message and gospel of God.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:01 am ET

Aaron-

and your church as a family of God is promoting gay rights and marriage and getting out this true message of God's LOVE to the world?


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 3:05 am ET

No. sex is not neccesarily an expression of love. If God didn't give man sex to entice him into a relationship with a woman and vice-versa we wouldnt be able to stand one another and there would be no human race. besides the first commandment in the bible is be fruitful and multiply and replenish the earth. How can that be done with same sex couples?


Ale V   April 24th, 2010 3:06 am ET

Jennifer Knapp is definitely not singing to Christ, she is not a christian singer! People like her who proclaim it is not a sing to be gay, who say are christians but have never studied the Bible, are the people who make many others confused, because people don't study the Bible by its context! Jennifer, which christ are you proclaiming in your songs? The christ who lets you be gay and loves you no matter what and lets you get away with no repentance and no punishment? That christ my friend, that christ does not exist! That is not the Christ of the Bible!!! I hope you understand and seek the Lord while he may still be found!


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:08 am ET

@Aaron-

Do you want to know why I am running circles around your arguments?

I am basing my side of the debate in my core faith and belief in God and NOT on an unreliable book or someone else's tainted interpretation of that flawed source.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 3:11 am ET

No they are not but they are not spreading hate either. Your premise is that if they don't support the gay community then they are spreading hate. That is just not the case. Does the gay community support the church? does that mean they are haters?


Ale V   April 24th, 2010 3:13 am ET

@Theresa-

And by the way, I truly believe that when a child is raced with strong Biblical knowledge and respect and knowledge of God's word, when both father and mother build strong bases and a good relationship with children and work as a team to race them, God will be there, in their hurts throughout their lives and they won't become gay: "and how from infancy you have known the holy Scriptures, which are able to make you wise for salvation through faith in Christ Jesus. All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for teaching, rebuking, correcting and training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be thoroughly equipped for every good work." 2 Timothy 3:15-17.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:15 am ET

@Aaron-

So sex is just to breed?

Ok then heterosexual couples not capable or planning to having kids should not be allowed to wed. Fertility must be tested and confirmed before a license is granted?

If God intended sexual intimacy to be only for heterosexuals and for breeding purposes, I think this planet would no longer exist (overpoulated to death).

Sex is at its best an act of love and intimacy no matter what the gender set and an expression of God's love, He tries to show us this truth in nature but your head is stuck in a book.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:17 am ET

@Aaron-

The gay community has several churches.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 3:18 am ET

Running circles? I guess that would depend on who's reading it. The only thing you've done is told me that if the bible says something you disagree with you reject it. You've repeatedly told me you are led by signs that ironically are less evedince in courts of man and God than the bible you say wouldn't hold water in either. You are led by your heart but the bible says the heart is exceedingly wicked and deceitful. You believe in the God of the bible but reject the instrument that led you to faith, the bible.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:20 am ET

@Aaron-

The bible never led me to faith....GOD led me to faith.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 3:22 am ET

You are going in circles though. I already told you my views on gay marraige. You must be able to seperate religious views and politics.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:24 am ET

@Aaron-

When I found out that a woman could not be a pope or truly lead most churches, I realized that the bible had issues that were getting in the way of the true work of God.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 3:26 am ET

Didn't you grow up catholic? If there was no bible you and me would both be worshiping thor or maybe pan. lol


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:29 am ET

@Aaron-

But if you turn your back and play innocent when your church or any other dictates to politics and rights, you are part of the problem.

If you have a different vIew on gay marriage then your church you are doing the Devil's work by being idle.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 3:30 am ET

What is the work of God? Why are we here? According to the bible it is to love the Lord and keep his commandments. The work of God is the work of redemtion. If we are ok on our own why did Jesus give his life/


Ricky   April 24th, 2010 3:30 am ET

Cant serve two Masters..


Meret   April 24th, 2010 3:30 am ET

The pastor has a right to his opinion, we all do. But no man holds the keys to the kingdom, so why is this even an issue for the show?

No matter what he says, she will do what she will do.

I still don't know why she came on this show.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:32 am ET

@Aaron_

I have faith there would be God without the bible and maybe it would be a purer faith.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:36 am ET

@Aaron-

I would love it if for once you would base some of your debate on your gut feelings about what God is and not a flawed book.

I will begin to have some faith in it when a woman becomes pope because only they stayed with Christ on the cross when all his male followers ran away or denied him.


Jacob   April 24th, 2010 3:36 am ET

Miss knapp,
You have a beautiful voice. You have to be aware you are insulting the most High. And by the actual translation is definitive. You have no excuse. Despite whAt you might say... If you believe in the God of the Bible.. Or the G-d of the Torah(one in the same) the Torah and Christ forbid what you are doing... And you are continuing in sin. You know whAt are doing is against the law. Why would you try to justify anything you are doing? If you can Answer this please do... By the wAy christian means Christ like... Every one has sinned


Missy   April 24th, 2010 3:37 am ET

Pastor Bob is full of crap!


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 3:41 am ET

I vote so that is my contribution. you keep insisting that if I am not preaching gay rights I somehow am part of the problem. I vote.

You repeatedly ignore most of my questions and comments and only answer the conveinent ones. This is about the BIBLE and what the bible says. you are not a christian if you reject the bible. The bible is what unites christians in faith and principals. Without the bible we would both be saying (Jesus who?). Why do you seek approval of the christian world, and don't say your not seeking it cause if you wasn't you would not have spent so much time debating me on the subject.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:43 am ET

@Aaron-

and the commandments do not mention homosexuality.

Therefore, Gay is good and part of God and NOT a SIN.

The rest of the bible should be seen as a comedy of errors in which you must seek out the true word of God hidden under the spin of man. Beware the word of man in it and seek out the message of God or close the book and look to his truer word in what surrounds you. God is the glory of all creation and acts of Love. You act in / inspire and create LOVE and you are truly one with GOD.


lf   April 24th, 2010 3:43 am ET

I am a Christian, a hard core Jesus freak🙂 What I do not see addressed in this conversation is the fact that Jesus is all about love. Since when is love a sin?


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 3:44 am ET

Ummmm, John was at the cross as well. remember the phrase "son behold thy mother, mother behold thy son"


Malia   April 24th, 2010 3:45 am ET

To God we are very special you who go down and have sex like a dog and other animals and put your mouth into what comes out of the body you have defiled yourself.Love is not sex with the same sex. We are to love all human
Jennifer, you have turned your back on Christ you can quote all the Bible to me you have stabbed Jesus in the face one who have sex like a dog and lick the dirt that comes out of human is not fit to seat with others
Stop using the word love or judge to support your bad habit.God plainly said a man cannot lie in bed with the same sex that is sin sin You are rejecting God . Stop what you are doing and repent .


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:45 am ET

@Aaron-

This is not about the bible. This is about GOD. The bible has been used as a weapon of HATE and that offends me and can not be the intention of a GOD of LOVE.


jo   April 24th, 2010 3:46 am ET

If people don't want to believe the truth......dust the dirt of your feet and move on, because you will never convince them, but when Jesus comes.....EVERY knee will bow....God please open their hearts...amen


denise   April 24th, 2010 3:46 am ET

my partner and I have been together 22 yrs. we have been foster parents and raised 6 children. I have 1 biological son that I prayed to God to give me a son. A wonderful blessing. God has been our guide to keeping this family strong with faith. Jennifer, God Bless you, find peace within yourself and dont let anyone tell you , you have to choose, because you dont. I prayed to god that if it is so wrong, dont let any children come to my house, and then a silbling group of 4 came and then after my father died, he blessed us with a baby boy. God is an awesome God. Faith is the only thing to hold on too. good luck Jennifer


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 3:49 am ET

The commandments do mention homosexuality. OT man shall not lie with mankind NT "no effiminate shall enter" also romans 1


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:50 am ET

@Aaron-

I am trying to help you see that the true God is not in a bible. I am investing my christian faith in you to help you see his true messages of GOD'S LOVE and hope you might share them with your church and encourage them to follow a true path of GOD'S LOVE.


Scott Thompson   April 24th, 2010 3:50 am ET

What's there to say, it is a free country / world (one day hopefully), if someone says being gay is against the / their scriptures, well what is against? Will god send you to hell because you are gay? I think not. Is there not much more important things in life and the world to address?


twilt   April 24th, 2010 3:51 am ET

I belive that homosexuality was not created by God. I believe that it was the Noetic Effects of the fall of mankind who was tempted by the Satan that brought sin into the world. We all have a perverse mind and skewed thoughts however when we leave our emotions behind we then begin to truly analyze a situation.

We are forgiven by grace, but to continue in that which is sin is far from what God desires for us. Be holy for God is holy, we should be dead to sin.

I struggle daily with homosexuality but I am redeemed daily by God's grace. No man is worthy of judging another, we should love one another in the same way that God loves us. This day and age stresses the issue of homosexuality where instead we should be loving towards each other. Sin in other people's lives should be a non-issue to a Christian because we are all sinners struggling towards perfection. We should be helping each other obtain it rather than putting each other down.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:52 am ET

@Aaron-

Wrong,

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS - EXODUS 20:1- 17

1) "Thou shalt have no other gods before me."
2) "Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image,"
3) "Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain;"
4) "Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy."
5) "Honor thy father and thy mother:"
6) "Thou shalt not kill."
7) "Thou shalt not commit adultery"
8) "Thou shalt not steal."
9) "Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor."
10) "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbor's house,.....nor anything that is thy neighbor's


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 3:53 am ET

How about the God of destruction as well. Love would have no meaning without hate. God says he hated serveral people in the bible.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:53 am ET

@Aaron-

See you bought in to a LIE


chris reisner   April 24th, 2010 3:56 am ET

The scriptures are very clear on homosexuality.
1 Corinthians 6:9 says "Do not be misled. Neither fornicators .....nor men who lie with men.......will inherit God's kingdom."
Also Leviticus 18:22 and Lev20:13..."it is a detestable thing..."
As for "going to hell,", Larry, the King James version translates the Hebrew word sheol and the Greek word haides into "hell". Other translations also use "the grave". These words refer, not to an individual burial place, but to the common grave of dead mankind.
Eccl. 9:5,10 says "....as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all...." If they are conscious of nothing at all, they obviously feel no pain.
Ezekiel 18:4 says "The soul that is sinning – it itself will die".
Acts 2:25-27 KJ Bible says that David speaking about Jesus "thou wilt not leave my soul in hell". That implies that Jesus was in hell, at least for a time, does it not? Christ was dead for three days and then God resurrected him. He certainly was not in a fiery hell burning.
Jeremiah 7:31 mentions that people used to burn their sons and daughters in the fire, a thing that I (God) had NOT commanded and that had NOT come up into my heart". God is love, He would not create a hell where people burn for all eternity.
The dead will be resurrected. John 5:28,29 in God's own due time.
People twist the scriptures to justify their actions. They can talk all they want, yet the Bible is very clear on the subject of homosexuality.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:56 am ET

@Aaron_

It is common that many people think being gay is a sin and in the "top ten." because there is an agenda to make followers believe that. That is using GOD'S message to spread HATE and you fell for it.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:58 am ET

@Aaron-

MEN said GOD hated several people in the bible.... Unless you have a writing sample from GOD and the original text of the bible, I am not buying in to it.


rjlf   April 24th, 2010 4:00 am ET

Larry King...Please don't try to interpret the Bible, define sin or vilify conservative Christians. You are not a Christian. You have no theological training. You are not qualified to voice an opinion on a matter you do not understand. Ted Haggard has greatly failed God tonight by making everything Christian sound so tolerant. God has spoken in his Word concerning homosexuality. It IS a sin! It is not judgmental to say that homosexuality is a sin. God, in His Word, has already said so.


Aaron   April 24th, 2010 4:00 am ET

That is only ten of the commandments. There are 613 in the old testament alone. I'm glad you brought up those ten though. You come very close to breaking the second one. you have forsaken the image the bible presents and fashioned him in the image you have chosen. Anyway I hope you find happiness and I also hope your faith in the scriptures will be restored. It was nice talking to you and thank you for engaging in a civil debate. I had a great time🙂


lylanda   April 24th, 2010 4:02 am ET

We are sinner yes, but we need to think ... would you do all the sin, (gay), what ever it is. would u do it in front GOD no you wouldn't so we get a upset when u r told about your sin Jesus die on the cross for our sin so we can do better. not keep do it . so if u die in your sin, where do U think u going , to heaven only God can judge


jo   April 24th, 2010 4:02 am ET

The Ten commandments were written for his chosen ones, and they already understood that homosexuality was a HUGH no no!! You can't know him unless you read his word, and if he sanctioned Homosexuallity, he would have placed that type of love throughout the bible...(The oldest word that has stood the test of time) God is in control and we all better align ourselves with him. or be prepared to reap what we have sown. You just can't pick and choose what you want to believe in his word, ..God be with you


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:03 am ET

@Aaron-

and you are saying that the bible is the true word of God because the writers were inspired/lead by God.

Then why is my inspiration and others not as true as theirs when I talk from strong faith without needing the bible as a source?

Maybe God wants an update/ new version and is getting upset because no one is truly listening?


Bill   April 24th, 2010 4:05 am ET

I think this young lady has a lot to learn and so does Larry King. Larry is an agnostic by his own admission on his show. To bring up about only having 4 fingers is rather weak at best. Knapp made a very weak attempt to manipulate the sciptures that she questione the accuracy of the translation of 2 word. Did she question these 2 words 8 years ago? I doubt it Now she wants it both ways and is upset that God's word doesn't allow it. Questions? Read your Bible. Contradict itself? PROVE IT!!!!!!! I'm still waiting and listenin.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:05 am ET

@Aaron_ T

The bible came after the "top ten" and was never the true word of God.


Filipio   April 24th, 2010 4:06 am ET

I started off ... well, maybe not *liking* this pastor next to Jennifer, but definitely appreciating his approach to 'homosexuality as a sin': i.e. not one of hatred and dismissal, but one of compassion and concern for a perceived sinner/ prodigal son/ lost soul... However, as the dialogue went on (and the second pastor was introduced), I became really nauseated with the hypocrisy and sugar-coated bigotry that slowly revealed itself underneath the soft-spoken, faked show-off of humility ... He BARELY EVEN DARED LOOK JENNIFER IN THE EYES when he would speak against her and her "sinful choice"... Why is that, pastor? When she would directly address you, you would respond TO and look AT Larry King, as she wasn't even there, next to you!!!! Really?!? Is it because you don't believe she is even worth your looking upon her??? Or because you don't DARE look in the eyes this person who lives in the truth of her path? Just wondering if perhaps that is a sign that you should acknowledge that you were knowing, somewhere in your heart, just how twisted & completely void of light, love and compassion your judgments and accusations were...


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:07 am ET

@Aaron-

I have faith in God. I pray one day you know what that truly means.


John Chirico   April 24th, 2010 4:11 am ET

I think all Christians are essentially nuts (evidenced by the dogmatic schism on this show), but, I gotta say, go Jennifer Knapp for being a musician and striking something new and honest in Christianity. And I don't have anything against (and no other straight man should) seeing a beautiful woman like her explicitly loving another beautiful woman, and having an outstanding relationship with God, nonetheless. I'm not a fan of Christian music because of its stale subject matter, but I am a fan of Jennifer Knapp.


Jacob   April 24th, 2010 4:12 am ET

One more thing.. You know you are wrong Jen. Why would you go on tv. Do not state that you believe the scripture... Repent ( it means to turn away from the iniquitys(sin) i M sorry that you had time on nAtional tv. You will stAnd, the books willbe opened.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:12 am ET

@Aaron-

And let us be clear GOD sent down just the" top ten" and then MAN thought themselves worthy of additions.


Connie   April 24th, 2010 4:14 am ET

I watched the discussion on the show tonight with Jennifer and that Pastor Bob. It's such a shame that Bob doesn't understand that he should just plant a seed then leave it up to God to make it grow. Instead Bob chooses to take the approach of "beating Jennifer over the head" with Bible scripture. He also doesn't understand that he is trying to force Jennifer to do what he feels is right for her. From what I can determine Jesus didn't t do that while he was here on earth. I don't remember where it is in the Bible but Jesus actually went to the home of a man who was sick, the man had a man servant and it was obvious to Jesus what their relationship was. Jesus helped the man with his needs but didn't pass judgment on anything that was happening in that house. I wish "organized religion" would stop trying to heap guilt on homosexuals and instead extend love to them. I'm firmly convinced that being a homosexual isn't a choice, people are born that way. God will be the judge of all of us, including the way we treat other people.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:24 am ET

@Connie-

You must have been loving my "debate" with Aaron


mulnar   April 24th, 2010 4:35 am ET

First of all, Ted Haggard is no longer eligable to be a pastor, The second point is that it is true every person to walk this planet has sinned, except Jesus, The sin that Jenifer is engaging in is said by
God to be an abomination, This is the only sin that was spoken about with that kind of disgust!

It seems to me Jenifer wants to find some loop hole to justify her sin. I am and do not want to judge her for this but we must understand the aspect of this action. Do not be deceived, by her argument and the justification Haggard is engaged in. His psycology is this, do not judge Jenifer, just strive to evolve to become who God wants you to be. Remember he is in the same boat as her, he is motivated by his public exposure and his desire think of him in the same light. He sinned, calll it for what it is, Ted you and Jenifer sinned call it for what it is, do not be a trickster.

I am by no way a perfect man but when I sin I just need to admit it ask to be forgiven and turn from my mistake, not hide from it or evolve into a better person or any other foolish idea.

This information is my opinion.


Stuart   April 24th, 2010 5:09 am ET

What Jennifer didn't do is hold "Pastor" Bob to his words on behalf of the young girl or boy in his congregation who, struggling with their sexual identity chooses to end his or her life because of the venom spewed from his pulpit in the name of a Jesus who never turned his back on anyone. It's pious nuts like "pastor" bob who have wedged themselves between God and us mere mortals. The only choice Jennifer made was to life her life openly as a Christian and a lesbian. If she can make room for both in her life, why can't we just accept that about her? As people of faith, it's what Jesus would demand of each of us. Nothing more, nothing less.


Iris   April 24th, 2010 5:19 am ET

I'm a christian from Germany and I am really sure that it's NOT a sin to be homosexual !! Because God had made everyone of us and i could'nt
be a sin when two people love each other, take care and responsibility for another !! Because God ist love !!
It ist a sin to JUDGE other people, thats just up to God !!


follower of Christ   April 24th, 2010 5:21 am ET

First off I would like to say that the Bible clearly states God's stance on sexuality in Leviticus 18 and more specifically in Romans 18:24-29. We cannot argue with what is written.
I would also like to point out that the preacher was just as ignorant claiming that certain laws have changed and citing Peters dream in the book of Acts to condone his sinful choices of eating unclean foods. It is amazing how many people read the Bible pick and choose the lines they want to use so they can live their life the way they want. It hurts so much to know that this is being thought to his congregation as well as many others around the world.
If you read the entire passage in Acts 10 and understand what is happening, we get the real meaning of that line. I'll try to sum it up quickly.

In those days the Gentiles were considered to be children of the world and unclean.

Cornelius was sent a message to fetch Peter so he could preach the Word of God to them so they too could become followers of Christ and therefore be saved through him.

In Acts 10:10-15 it says that Peter was hungry and fell into a trance and had a dream that a great sheet was let down from heaven and on it was all kinds of unclean foods, and a voice from heaven spoke to him and said "Rise Peter, kill and eat". Peter replied "Not so, Lord; for I have never eaten anything that is common or unclean". This happened three times and then the sheet was raised back to heaven.

When Peter arose from his trance he wondered what the dream meant and that is when the men sent by Cornelius arrived asking for him.

In Acts 10:20 God tells Peter "Arise and go with them, doubting nothing for I have sent them".

The following two chapters in Acts 10 tells us what this dream meant in much detail:

28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

29 Therefore came I unto you without gainsaying, as soon as I was sent for: I ask therefore for what intent ye have sent for me?
We clearly see that the dream was not God changing his laws set forth in Leviticus concerning what you can or cannot eat.


Iris   April 24th, 2010 5:23 am ET

I'm a christian from Germany and I am really sure that it's NOT a sin to be homosexual !! Because God had made everyone of us and i could'nt
be a sin when two people love each other, take care and responsibility for another !! Because God ist love !!
It is a sin to JUDGE other people, thats just up to God !!


mabel obia   April 24th, 2010 5:35 am ET

Tell jennifer to stop deceiving herself...there is no where in the bible that said a woman should leave his mother and father and get united to another woman. God, this is irritating and sick. She is not a true christian. I think she should go back and really read her bible very well.


Tamara   April 24th, 2010 5:37 am ET

How dare you pastor claim to represent Jesus and then cast judgement on love. Its disgusting how people can turn the belief in the church into something that is judgemental, discriminating and extremely hurtful. You should celebrate when people believe, love and live their lives in the spirit of what you preach. Homosexuality should not be up for debate on any scale, particularly the christian scale of good vs. evil. If a person loves God and lives their life as a good person, pastor – you should celebrate that.


Patrick   April 24th, 2010 5:41 am ET

@Jennifer Knapp

Being a christian we must say no to all the immorality that this world teaches us, but why do you still follow its teaching? Don't you know that you are a foolish person when you say who you are? Because of what you claim you have with God.

You may have heard of His word, do services for Him. But you do not have a genuine faith with Him.


Yvonne   April 24th, 2010 5:42 am ET

Larry you would have to be saved to understand what Bob is talking about. thus you cant arbitrate the conversation.

indeed we have all fallen short of the glory of God and salvation is a journey.

but we can not continue sinning when we know its wrong because the old becomes new. Jennifer should continue praying for God to search her and reveal to her the ways in her life which are displeasing to Him


Johanna   April 24th, 2010 5:42 am ET

Wow I can see how this could bring on a huge controversy within the Christian faith. I personally don't believe someone makes a choice to be gay or to be straight.

I have lived in an evangelical church and it destroyed my spirit because people decided that I was doing something that the people felt wasn't scriptural. I am straight. I find that some Christians can be so judgmental.

Gospel Reading – Matthew 7,1-5
Jesus said to his disciples: 'Do not judge, and you will not be judged; because the judgements you give are the judgements you will get, and the standard you use will be the standard used for you. Why do you observe the splinter in your brother's eye and never notice the great log in your own? And how dare you say to your brother, "Let me take that splinter out of your eye," when, look, there is a great log in your own? Hypocrite! Take the log out of your own eye first, and then you will see clearly enough to take the splinter out of your brother's eye.'

I feel for Jennifer. I believe this is her journey with God. This is a personal relationship with God.


Charity   April 24th, 2010 5:45 am ET

First, I love how Larry King constantly inturrupted the pastor and came at him constantly, but always let Jennifer speak, it's obvious who he favors.
Now, as for Jennifer and her coming out, the Bible says it is wrong. Period! Just as the sins that we commit everyday is wrong. It kills me when people who come out use the "now I am happy." excuse. Look, life isn't about what makes you "happy," sometimes the hardest thing is doing what is right. It won't always make you happy, and sometimes it is the hardest thing to do. But as people said, this is her choice, and that is true. It is her choice and her's alone. It is also my choice not to purchase her music and to discard what I have of her's.
I work hard everyday to follow God and what he would have me to do. Not that I am always right or never fall, because we do! People have this false sense of "if it makes you happy" and "now I am being true to myself" type of attitude. We are suppose to be making God happy and be true to Him, not us! We have become such a selfish nation and think it is only about us. Life comes with struggle..lots of struggle and most times hard choices. Usually the hardest ones are the right ones. I pray for Larry King as he is a lost man himself. I also pray for Jennifer as she has either strayed onto another path and has been misguided, or she has been lying this whole time and was never a Christian. God makes it very clear about ALL sins, not just homosexuality, so I don't want to seem like I am just singling her out here. We all sin, everyday.
I also love how when someone wants something to be ok, they find any way possible of making it OK. For instance, Jennifer tried to discount what the Bible says about homosexuality by saying that we aren't sure that the Greeks even interpreted it correctly into the English language, or she has found a church that is OK with her homosexual choice. If you look, you will always find someone or a group who is fine with your choices and you can twist and turn facts all you want, but they are still facts, no matter how much you try to discredit them. The Bible says that one day, right will become wrong, and wrong will become right. This is just the beginning of how Christians will be persecuted. I see it happening more and more. You can't say anything bad about any race or religion accept the Christian one. It's Ok, it was foretold in the Bible that we would be the persecuted one's. I have God on my side, so bring it on!!


Mariah   April 24th, 2010 5:47 am ET

Larry, et al,

According to the Bible, God sees all sin as the same. There are many Christians who live in sin. The problem is when you try to JUSTIFY the sin (Oh my God! The pastor took the words out of my mouth). The Bible clearly states unequivocoly in Romans chapter 1 (see verses 22-28) that homosexuality is a sin, and follows with a list of numerous other sins that grieve our Lord. Anyone who wants to verify the Greek or Hebrew need only look to an online Strong's Concordance. The Bible says to in 2 Timothy 2:15 "Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth" for such a time as this.

I love the gay people in my life, but I will NEVER try to justify their choice any more than I can justify fornication or any other form of immorality that goes against the faith. Neither will I justify my own transgressions, but rather, I pray, like David, that God create in me a new heart as I repent and turn from sin in my life.

Jennifer, keep the faith, but don't try to adapt the faith to what is convenient for your lifestyle. If homosexuality t is your choice, live with it and accept the consequences, which includes being exhorted and rebuked by other believers as the Bible also calls us to do in 2 Timothy 4:2 and numerous other places. Pray that they do it in love.

We have all have sinned, we all fall short, but the Bible says that a righteous man gets up when they fall. A committed believer strives to live Christ-like and "conform not to the ways of the world, but be TRANSFORMED by the renewing of your mind" (Romans 12:2).

By the way, Larry, in regard to your question about shellfish and contributing to hate crimes, I think it is really unfair. First of all, hate crimes are sinful and go against the word of God. God never condones hate and Christianity is not to blame for that. Wrong is wrong. As for Shellfish, (or fish without scales, etc.) the New Testament says that all is permissible but not profitable. God does not change, there are legitimate health benefits in regard to the clean and unclean dietary guidelines in the Old Testament that have not changed (parasites in Pork, shellfish as the "roaches of the sea" etc.). You should know the the word of the Bible before you judge the faith.


Mariah   April 24th, 2010 5:52 am ET

If we can't choose our sexuality, then why shouldn't we condone pedophilia, incest, etc. Are people born with those sexual tendencies, too, or do they have a choice to turn from their "natural" desires?


san clemente viewer   April 24th, 2010 5:53 am ET

What? I cant believe I am watching this on TV! Here is a successful singer who is defending her PERSONAL choices on public television? Who are WE to judge her? It is not for us to judge.... or to condemn another human being...these people are condemning this woman and perhaps they should look at themselves first. This is appalling.


JR   April 24th, 2010 5:54 am ET

For all true believers of Christ, cherry picking is not an option. We can not do what is convenient for us and still remain in the realm of the Christian faith.

As for Jennifer and others like her, it is their choice to be homosexual. But please....pretty please...do not expect the Christianity to bend over backwards to accept what you do as normal and not an abomination.... because it is!!!

Jesus inspiration and the scriptures convey to us that forgiveness comes to us who are repentant and even Jesus commands to the sinful..."You are forgiven and sin no more"....Paul even wrote to the Corinthians to expel a brother who was unrepentant of the sexual immorality he committed.

It is clear that Jennifer Knapp is unrepentant (as shown on your TV programme).


Verbatim   April 24th, 2010 5:55 am ET

I am at this time listening - viewing is not even the word – the debate, from here in France. One, I wish to say the high level of both respect and theology expressed ; two, the quality of Larry King, known and once again confirmed ; three, how much indeed love is the basis of everything.


Marjorie King   April 24th, 2010 6:03 am ET

I am writing as a 60 year old heterosexual who was raised in the Christian church and ambivanent about the Christian faith for over 40 years. I wish LKL had invited a liberal Christian theologian on the show as a counter to both of the famous male leaders. Not all Christian scholars or ministers interpret the Bible as both of these men. Instead, both showed Christianity to emphasize that the body is sinful. Religion can be so much more positive than either man portrayed it. I'm sorry to say that the show has pushed me farther away from the religion of my childhood. I don't think homosexuals are sinners for their sexuality...and I don't think that God stopped talking with humanity after the Bible was written.


Patrick   April 24th, 2010 6:04 am ET

@Gary

Why would you say that? for sure you had a sudden wake up call that's why your saying that. Gary you have to face the truth that you are a sinner.


Mariah   April 24th, 2010 6:09 am ET

This is sad...this forum is clearly not open...why are my comments in moderation when Gary, calling Bob a bigot, is in plain view and posted after my comment? I expected much more from Larry King and CNN...Are we as bad as the Christian right wing now?? A liberal Christian has no voice? Very sad...


Ikechukwu   April 24th, 2010 6:27 am ET

We should not try to justify homosexuality by referring it to just another sin. People say "sin is sin". True but remember living in a Consciousness of sin is different. When we are dead to sin, sin no longer rules but Christ rules in us. If you lie and realize you have lied, what you do is to repent from it. This is different from living a life of lie.

Homosexuality should not be condoled. Remember in book of Corinthians Paul says he who commits fornication not only sin against God but sins against his own body.

All this "come out" show by Jennifer and likes points to one thing: THE END TIMES. Christians should not expect less. But pray for God to convince His elect.

May God help Jennifer and others struggling with this hell. A conscious life of sin


Paul   April 24th, 2010 6:44 am ET

The act of sex is for a man to make a baby with a women; SPERM+EGGS=BABY....pretty simple.

Everything else related to sex outside of reproduction is indulging in appetites of the flesh. From casual sex to masturbation. An appetite has many forms and many perversions, which many of us are seduced by.

If you were to ask Jesus, he would reply: 'Temperance'.


audrey harris   April 24th, 2010 6:46 am ET

Dear Jennifer, To God be the glory. You have been going down the right road for a very long time, what happened? You got side tracted by your fleshly feelings. I know that you know, that GOD loves you, but he does not love the SIN that your in. NO, we can't judge you, but with in yourself you know what's right and what's wrong. You let the world tell you or conv ence you that your right, BUT within your heart you know better. If you didn't think that it was wrong, you never would have walked away from your Christian singing. While being away, you let your fleash take over. Now you want to change GODS way of giving you love. GO BACK JENNIFER, GO BACK. GOD loves you, but he hates the SIN. Your sister in christ.


James Wilson   April 24th, 2010 6:52 am ET

I just wanted to comment on this issue. Pastor Bob is not judging anyone. He is just telling Jennifer, calmly, that Jennifer is committing a sin. She shouldn't be upset. Larry and Jennifer asks a question, and Pastor Bob answers it with truth from the bible. Then she gets upset and starts scolding him for judging. She just does not want to hear the truth. We can go to hell by knowing that what we're doing is sin and not repenting. We have to try and want to stop whatever sin that we're committing and ask Jesus for forgiveness and help and not give up. We are all sinners and fall short of the glory of God. And what Pastor Bob was trying to get across was that we admit that we're sinners, but we can't accept our sins and willfully continue in it. You're giving into sin and that's when sin takes over, because you're not trying to fight it. If Jennifer honestly received Jesus Christ in her heart and really believes that God gave His only Son to die on the cross for our sins, she's saved. Eventually, she'll come to learn the truth and repent and turn away from her sins with the help of Jesus Christ. It is written in the bible{Phillipians 1:6- "being confident of this very thing, that He(Jesus)who has begun a good work in you will complete it until the day of Jesus Christ."} We just need to TRY and be better people in Christ, try not continue in our sins over and over, and do it for Christ Jesus. All the glory belongs to Him! God Bless!


"O"   April 24th, 2010 8:00 am ET

In John 8:44 (JESUS speaking) Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar and the father of it.

How is one a CHRISTIAN (ie. follower of CHRIST), but does not do as HE did nor as HE instructed us?...and instead of speaking those things which HE spake, make excuses blanketed with anger for justification of NOT following HIS teachings and examples?

Make no mistake about it, the Bible is very clear.


Joseph-St-Francis   April 24th, 2010 8:00 am ET

As a former evangelical and convert to Catholicism, I was born a homosexual.

Unlike choosing or changing ones religion, anybody who is informed knows there’s enough scientific and theological evidence that reveals the fact that homosexuality is a biological sexual orientation that exists throughout the natural world.

Those who deny these facts simply do not want to face up to the truth; therefore they chose to live in their own dark ages, whereby they spread a lot of hate and malice in the name of their “god”, and by how they allege to “understand” Scripture.

As a person who denied my sexuality for the cause of my Christian worldview I chose to enter an evangelical Bible College to study in a bachelor of theology program, hoping I would be cured of my homosexuality. With much fasting, and praying, I came to know the truth of the Serenity Prayer: “to accept the things I cannot change.”

However, this revelation did not happen till after the fact I had to go through a lot of shame that bred a lot of fear, which in turn bred a lot of self-condemnation, and self-hatred that brought me to the brink of suicide. Why? Because I could not undo something I did not chose to be.

It wasn’t until I realized that it was the Creator’s will for me to be born a homosexual that I finally began to learn how to love myself. And I have come to know my wounds are the result of the sins of heterosexists who have formed religion in their own image, who have mistranslated Sacred Scripture to read something it does not say in the original Hebrew and Greek text.

Instead of calling on “preachers” who hold onto ideologies bent on fundamentalism to discus homosexuality, it would be much better to hear from scientific, biblical, and clerical scholars who surpass the intellectual academics of these evangelical self proclaimed “pastors,” if we are going to get to the truth of the matter.

What it boils down to is the majority of evangelicals will never understand the mystery of sexuality, because of their inferior understanding of the Scriptures. Their train of thought lacks a superior scholastic understanding that can only be found in mainline traditional Christian denominations that are older than them.

If you are a gay evangelical Christian reading this then do yourself a favour—lose your religion, and get into a faith that is more sound in its understanding of the Scriptures. Your relationship between you and your Maker will make a world of difference.

For evangelicals their view of biblical inerrancy has distorted the very means whereby they seek to understand the Scriptures. Ask any evangelical when comparing the King James and the New International Versions side-by-side whether the following 5 passages should read: “sodomite,” referring to sodomy and homosexuality, or “shrine prostitution”? (Deuteronomy 23:17; 1 Kings 14:24, 15:12; 22:46 and 2 Kings 23:7). The fact these two translations of the Bible are so at odds with each other is evident it takes blind faith to believe that translations are free from error. This is why we need clerical scholarship and not some self ordained “pastor” if we are to understand these things.


Hope   April 24th, 2010 8:06 am ET

First off- you go pastor Bob!!! Some people just don't seem to get the concepts of an actual hell, a place reserved for all those who want to shun the Truth of Jesus Christ. All this is really of no surprise because the Bible speaks of how it will be in the end times – that men don't want to hear the Truth, but would rather desire to hear whatever their little itching ears want to hear.
Also, in listening to the show it simply amazes me how when asked direct questions, for example, "Do you believe you're going to hell?", Ms. Jennifer couldn't answer with a simple yes or no. When asked a direct question she and Ted Haggard, as well, just went on and on around the question. Ms. Jennifer called herself a "person of faith". Was it noticeable only to me that she couldn't even call herself a Christian. Another thing, at various points it seemed as if Larry and Ms.Jennifer both were villifying the preacher as if he had no right to say what he did. He is an ambassador of JESUS CHRIST, after all.
One more thing and I'll be finished bending y'alls ear: This is the problem with Christanity today- the Gospel has been watered down, sugar-coated, and badly twisted. Instead of being so concerned about the language or how the scriptures came about we need to be very concerned about what is in those pages of what is known as the Holy Bible!! Simply put the Bible, if anyone would care to crack the book open and read it, actually condemns the lifestyle of homosexuality. Period. I am not going to quote any scriptures-plenty of others have done that very successfully. In fact God calls that particilar sin an abomination. Read it for yourselves, folks, it's in there. There the problem lies: various churches and pastors preach messages only about God's loving nature and how you can prosper and be so happy here on Earth, but they fail to inform people the message that unless you repent of your sins and confesswith your mouth that Jesus Christ is Lord, you are going to suffer the consequences. To all true Christians out there, who know the difference between right and wrong –you all know exactly where I am coming from. But to those of you who are not Christians,to those of you who want to believe what you wantto believe – go right ahead because that most certainly is your choice. All I got to say is unless you repent, be prepared to spend your eternity in a place called hell. I heard it gets mighty hot down there.

Peace and blessings to all of you who truly love Jesus.


Ted   April 24th, 2010 8:39 am ET

So Jennifer, you are a lesbian, please shame yourself for the next 30 seconds!!

Homosexuals are not made, they are born, they have in their gens certain differences that makes them react to the same sex.
Forcing them to live a hetero life would be the SIN, the same torture as to make a hetero to have a homo relationship.
She is happy, that is what counts, so ignore the blockheads and live your life as you want to.

Now back to Pastor Bob, the boob, the representant of Jesus on this Earth!
First of all, who appointed you to that position, did Jesus give you the letter of accreditation, a must in the diplomatic services, to make you believable? Or you read the Bible hundred times and that makes you an expert on all facets of life, human and extraterrestial? ( I almost said inhuman).
It is a fact that a great number of people in the Bible business are homosexuals and pedophiles, take a look at Ted Haggard and the catholic priests, so in your opinion all those sinners are not christians?
Besides, why are they sinners, they live their lives accordingly as God created them. Here I mean the homosexuals,

All you hypocritical Bible clutchers, those who make a luxurious living by preaching Jesus, but making millions off the poor, you should keep your mouth shut.
That Bible was written by men 2,000 years or more ago, who after the moral predict went back to one of their many wives or a 12 year old boy, both common in those days. God or Gods were never involved in the creation of that text.


frances   April 24th, 2010 9:10 am ET

It's amazing to me there are still people who think you are either hetersexual or someone sinning. That bible was written 400 years after Jesus walked, by men who had their own agenda, Gays, transgenders, bi's were all created to see if "thou shalt not judge". The people who do are not going to end up at the pearly gates that they so pray for, The bible this pastor preaches from is judgemental, and creates hate crimes..If Haggert would only admit he is gay and say thats how God created him and have a church that supports that, he would have a larger congragation than any of these awful ministers that are on tv.


Kevin Norton   April 24th, 2010 9:10 am ET

During the interview, Jennifer made a comment concerning the Greek meaning of the word "homosexual" in 1 Corinthians 6:9 (also 1 Timothy 1:10) and that it did not mean homosexual. Let me give you the definition of the word in Greek, "Arsenokoites – one who lies with a male as with a female, sodomite, homosexual." This is from The NAS New Testament Greek Lexicon (1999).

The question of whether or not one is born "gay" is not really relevant. Man in his fallen state loves sin and fulfilling the lusts of the flesh. Doing these things bring us pleasure; that cannot be denied. But there is coming a day when each of us is going to have to stand before a living God who is going to judge us according to His holy law, the Ten Commandments. There is not getting through this judgment or talking your way out of the punishment which is eternity in Hell. He is going to punish all "...cowardly and unbelieving and abominable and murderers and immoral persons and sorcerers and idolaters and all liars, their part will be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death." Revelation 21:8

What Jennifer (as all of us) should be concerned with is her relationship with Jesus Christ. You see when we obtain salvation through Jesus Christ and repent (turn away) from our sins we seek to live a holy and righteous life according to God's word and desires.

Our prayers are for Jennifer, that her eyes would be opened by the Holy Spirit and that she will become a child of of God.


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 9:13 am ET

@ Pegasian.
I have read you and Aaron's conversations and wanted to ask why is it that people don't read the whole bible? Why do people take bits and pieces only the ones that support their position, never not supporting there position, it's as everything he says because he doesn't believe as you makes him wrong and you right. God says a man is always right in his own sight, meaning most people don't like to consider themselves being wrong (pridefulness) . For those who like to look only at science well if the big bang created Adam & Steve, Eve & Rebecca than none of us would be here, because two males never reproduced a child and two women never reproduced a child and I don't know everything there is to know about animals but I have yet to see two animals of the same sex reproduced a child, it's seen in human and animal nature. Far as the Bible being for slavery, in the Bible God destroyed Pharisees for enslaving his people and also egyptians, ethiopians= black people enslaved people as well (for the record I am of african american/cherokee indian heritage). Far as the statement God is for pure love, Saddom & Gomorra, married couples who have open sexual relationships, pedophiles, rapist, fornicators all think it's love but does God say it's right. I worked with a woman who was a lesbian who made the statement that she doesn't believe the bible but she believes in God, I asked her why and stated because it says that homosexuality is an abomination to God, and we would respectfully agree and disagree in conversations, she told me your not like other Christians I've known and my reply to her is that God loves you just like he loves me, we both sin because none of us are perfect, I just choose to live my life according to what God says in his word, along with being taught and set in the church home God set me in and with the guidance of the Holy spirit and I believe we can't make God's word be what we want it to be no more than we could change the fact that 2+2=4, it is what it is no matter if you agree or disagree. An open minded, well rounded person is a person who can think beyond what they feel. If it was acceptable for people to live only on what they feel than that's saying that people who do horrible things, such as murder, rape, incest, hate crimes, bigotry for any reason, are okay because there doing what they feel and that's all I hear in these conversations that because it's what I feel, because I can't control what I feel, so I must do whatever I feel. Sometimes I get angry with people and ignorance sometimes I have thoughts of going off on them, slapping them, that's what I feel, but it doesn't make it right for me to do because thats what I feel, a lot of people have issues with God because God has rules and order that grain against what people want to do. So how is God real for some only to the extinct of creating our own rules and not following God's, can we truly believe in God but say I can't follow his word because it doesn't suit what I feel?


jason   April 24th, 2010 9:19 am ET

The bible is clear about sin "For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified freely by his grace through the redemption that came by Christ Jesus. " Romans 3:23-24. Homosexuality is a sin just as well as any other sin. In this world our sin is more apparent to us as the consequences to them unfold and this is one of them. The bible is also clear on salvation "That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved." Romans 10:9. If she has done this then she will be saved and go to heaven. I know my Savior and my Father in heaven and despised sin but He loves us too much to let that get in His Way. That's why He loves Jennifer, I knew her before she was famous as a teenager, she came to sing for us at camp and she was a great entertainer as well as worship leader. One other thing to keep in mind: as the sin in our lives becomes aware to others they will see us differently, but our Father in heaven knows us better than we know ourselves. JESUS LOVES YOU JENNIFER AND NOTHING CAN SEPARATE YOU FROM THE LOVE OF THE FATHER: For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord." Romans 8:38-39. Pastor Bob I hope you come to know what truly means and how Jesus meant for us to use it.


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 9:26 am ET

@ Ted. I can understand your position because there is so much religion and extremist out here. However is it that if a person does agree, or believe in certain lifestyles that makes them immoral or wrong. I would ask once again if you look at pure natural human nature, take quote on quote religion out of it, what does science, nature and biology agree with in the creation of humans and animals. The rationale that people are born gay is no different than the rationale of a person who is obese has no choice, a person who has desires to kill has no choice, the Christians, non-christians, bigots no one has choice. If kind of funny to me when being said isn't what people agree with thats when those people are thought be morally high, that they don't have a opinion just whats as the people their speaking with and if that makes one person right and the other person wrong, I am a Christian and proud to be, and I don't mind having respectful conversations with anyone, even if we don't believe the same things, we might both learn something, I praise God that I have always had the desire to study people and through that I have learned and continue learn so many things, it's when I person can't possibly see any other opinions or perspective without being judgmental, disrespectful or bitter that's sad.


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 9:50 am ET

@ Pegasian.
You listed the 10 commandments, you listed them, did you see that God said honor thy "father" and "mother". not father and father or mother and mother, nature, science and biology backs God on this. As well as the other commandments like adultery, as I said before no sin is greater or lesser than another, wether homosexual or heterosexual but please don't act like it's not all sin. To list the 10 commandments and say the rest isn't God inspired because it doesn't agree with what I want to do, is like taking algebra out from a math book because I don't like it. It's sad when people refuse to consider if their wrong and are only going based on what they feel, which even in business or any relationship in order to be successful you can't function only on what you feel, what happens when your trying to make a huge investment deal and you only feel and not take any facts or factors into account and you lose, or an abused man, woman, or child refuses to leave an abusive situation based only on what they feel and not any other facts or factors which all say they are highly likely to die if they don't leave the abusive situation and do, because they didn't feel they should leave. God is the only judge not me , not other Christians or people, however I know God loves you just like he loves me, God gets angry at my sins just like he gets angry at yours or anyone else's, but he is merciful and I believe, have study, have seen in followers of God, not religion their is a big difference between the two, that God is the creator, who made the rules, and as much as people and science wants to deny God, nature, science, etc. only proves God is real. God Bless you. I just choose to respectfully disagree.


Jay   April 24th, 2010 10:21 am ET

Being a Christian is about living in a covenant relationship with Jesus Christ. It is, in many ways very comparable to a relationship between a husband and wife. In that relationship I may stumble, I may lie, I may be self serving, and I may be downright hateful but, if I truly love that person I will always be convicted by my behavior, and sorrowful for the hurt I have caused them. I will in the future be constantly striving to never cause them that kind of hurt again. Now, what if I went up to my wife this morning and said, "hey listen I am a liar by nature and I can't help my dishonesty. "From this point forward you will have to just accept who I am (your husband the liar) and, if you have a problem with it, I'm sorry." I would expect nothing less than my wife to kick me to the curb (and rightly so). Can a person have a predisposition to homosexuality and still be a Christian? Without a doubt!!! Just as he accepts Jay the person with a pre-disposition to lie. What Jennifer seems to have decided though is that she is going to live her carnal life (as an active homosexual) and Christ will just have to accept her as is. Sorry Jennifer, it just doesn't work that way. A person who can say my lifestyle (wants, needs, desires) is more important than my Savior is no longer (if they ever have been) in a relationship with him. The Bible makes it VERY clear of Christ view on certain things. Cheating, stealing, lying, hating your brother, (just to name a few) and whether we like it or not homosexuality are all an abomination to Him.


Richard   April 24th, 2010 10:30 am ET

I thought the attempts to characterize the pastor as judgmental failed. I'm not evangelical, so I didn't care much for his theological assessment, but that Ms. Knapp and Mr. King kept accusing a guy who came across as gentle and reserved of being hypocritical and judgmental kind of made it look like they were the accusers.

It shouldn't surprise us that someone is willing to stand up in his own community and say someone else is doing the wrong thing – it happens all the time in all communities. But to go to the person face-to-face on national television and calmly state his (well-criticized) position and not even raise his voice and to smile in a setting cleverly calculated to direct sympathy towards Ms. Knapp is more than I'm used to seeing anywhere – on television or off of it.


Sherry Doria   April 24th, 2010 10:42 am ET

Larry King.......you really should start reading scripture so you can develope a personal relationship with Christ. When you die will you go to heaven or hell?

My prayer is for salvation for all people in all nations. I also pray that people will come to know their creator and Savior Jesus Christ and know that were given a counselor. the Holy Spirit. The Bible is God's ordained word. Scripture is a blue print of our life. You know one thing that sticks out to me in Romans.... Not only the word about homosexuality, but also Paul who struggled everyday to do the right things, but he couldn't. Jesus did not shut the door on Paul or tell him he could not minister to others. Jennifer keep ministering to people and yourself.

However, as a child of Christ we are to love one another and rebuke our brothers and sisters in love according to how God tells us how to live. Jennifer you went public, you should know the world is full of opinions and judgements. We sure crucified Christ for how he wanted to show us to live. No one is crucifying you.. And anyone who harms anyone is a sin.. Not a specific hate crime. Love your neighbor as yourself.

People don't pretend to know the Word... Starting reading the Bible. John Chpter 1 And God was the Word. This is a love story that is for each one us. Fat, Skinning, Straight, Gay, smart, not so smart. He loves every single one of us... Man is that not a promise. He has over 40,000 promises....he is God....Savior....Counselor. It is True Peace.
With the love of Christ. Sherry Doria


Edmund   April 24th, 2010 10:42 am ET

What is this world really coming to when a homosexual is adamant that they are a "CHRISTIAN". Since when is Christianity subject to man's opinion of what it is and isn't. I thought that's what the good book is there for. Christianity is not a law that man could alter how they see fit. C'mon, yes.. people can chose to be "gay", it might be legal and accepted in some places, but that does not make it right nor accepted in the eyes of god. It is my opinion (just me) that one cannot call themselves a "CHRISTIAN" while deliberately living their life in sin (Homosexuality). Correct me if I'm wrong. Yes all sin is a sin, none greater than the other, but when one becomes a christian you make a vow to God to overcome those sins, not willfully continue with sinful acts of pleasure. the BIBLE (which every christian should try to live by) clearly states that a union between same sex is wrong. I would assume that refers to sexual intercourse and even more so , marriage. Though some American laws accept it, the law of God does not.
There are scriptures in the bible that do indeed need to be interpreted, and others, are obviously straight forward. E.g I do not think by no means, when they bible speaks about putting the homosexuals to death does it refer to a man killing another because of that act. If acts of sin were punishable by death, then kill every man who stole, every man who lied, every man who lust would be accepted. I am not a spiritual leader, i am but a man trying to find his way to god. Even i upon enlightenment have ceased from sexual intercourse with my fiancee until our wedding day, as the bible clearly addresses the issue of fornication. THE BIBLE PEOPLE.. THATS OUR GUIDE TO LIVING OUR LIFE AS CHRISTIANS.. NOT WHAT WE SEE FIT TO SUIT OUR LIVES.


Joey Preston   April 24th, 2010 10:55 am ET

Can you be a christian and be gay? Can you be a christian and be an adulterer, a glutton, an alcoholic, a road-rager, a sarcastic know-it-all, etc? My belief is that all of us who have accepted God's invitation to become part of His family are indeed now a part of that family by virtue of His invitation. As a part of that family I am now free to begin the process of growing into what He has created me to be, to find my place in the family. The problem, as I see it, is that many of us christians expect our brothers and sisters to follow the same growth pattern that works for us. And we set out to communicate our expectations (rules). We end up saying things like, "Now that you are In Christ these are the rules you need to keep if you want to grow, and be a good witness for God." How do I know what my brother or sister needs to "do" in order to grow? Sure there are a bevy of regulations and rules to aspire to – give, pray, read your bilbe, don't lie, don't commit adultery, etc. But how do I know which one my brother or sister needs to be working on at this moment. That's like a 16 year old telling his 5 year old brother that he need to keep traffic rules if he wants to be a good driver. At this point of the 5 year old's development the parents are not concerned about his knowledge of traffic laws. The laws are right and proper and need to be kept, but not in the present day life of a 5 year old. The mom and dad are more interested in his learning to stay in the yard and look both ways before he crosses the street. Learning traffic laws could overwhelm him and distract him from what he needs to be learning at this moment. The parents know the personality and aptitude of each child. And they also know the next bit of information that child needs in order to continue his journey to finding his mature place of effectiveness in the family. As I see it homosexuality is not God's plan. But I was invited to be a part of God's family based on the work of Christ, not on keeping sacred "ink on paper" rules. It is up to the Father to grow each one of us into what He has called us to be. It is my opinion that He meets each of us where we are, emotionally and psychologically. He knows what we need to see and understand in order to take the next steps toward becoming what He desires us to be. And now we as a church have forced this sister in Christ into talking about her sexual orientation. That may not be what the Father wants to talk to her about at this point of her growth. Being a christian and growing towards what our Father desires for us has nothing to do with "keeping sacred rules." It has everything to do with accepting God's invitation and then asking Him to show me what it is I need to know in order to remain a contented and growing part of His family in the earth today. It's about learning to accept the Christ given freedom to be who I am without having to justify or defend myself to the church or the world for not keeping all the sacred rules while at the same time realizing that I am not what I want to be yet. And only my Father can teach me the next steps I need to take in my journey to becoming more like He is and less like I am. I can't do this isolated from other family members – it's not just me and God. But I believe one of the biggest hindrances to growth among the people of God is our dogged determination to correct and instruct one another. What Does the Father want to talk to YOU about? What is His next area of concern for you as you grow to be more like He is and less like you are? God loves me like I am, and He loves me too much to leave me that way. But only He knows me and what truth I can handle in order to continue my happy journey with Him.
Joey Preston


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 11:07 am ET

Also those who say the bible isn't God's word, how much research have you done, in studying the bible, have you traced the origins, study Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic translations, not just one or two, the bible says to study to show thyself approved, it says to rightly divide scripture meaning study, in order to discount something as truth you need facts . Do you know who wrote what books, what dates, times and era they were written. Not to say no one has and it's just me or a few, because there are many Christians who haven't. However please before you proclaim something not to be true, research for yourself with wisdom please, the internet provides a wealth of information and knowledge is power. Has anyone read the book of Revelations that can honestly say that the things going on in this world for years now is not in this book, but it gets worse and worse as each year passes, none of these things are surprises it's in the bible. I look forward to learning everyday, because if we don't grow and change we become stagnant. Also to proclaim something isn't true because you haven't study it, truly studied and researched is no different than opening a Biology , Science, or Math book and saying it isn't true because you may not understand it or haven't studied it, because most people don't study it. For the record when my brother died who was gay at 25 years old with AIDS, I was angry, beyond angry with God, I didn't speak to God for 7 years until God kept sending things to me, whether through people, music, words whether strangers or loved ones, I would argue people down I was so mad at God, I refused to believe the Bible, until I broke down my walls realizing something was missing the hole in my heart couldn't be filled with anything in my life, and I developed a real relationship with God, see no matter what people say think or believe God speaks to us all, God gives us all chance after chance after chance to accept him, but he never forces himself on us, in conclusion of all I have said please fellow believers/christians understand that we must love all people as Christ loves us, at my church home there are a lot of ex-homosexual, ex-fornicators, you name it, they came in like that, but the truth of God's word and Love will change all that allows God too, not us as humans, we need to love on those in sin, which are all of us, because Christ drew people with prayer, love and the word. (BIBLE=Basic Instructions Before Leaving Earth)


Vondi   April 24th, 2010 11:19 am ET

I love the fact that Larry picks a pastor that wont argue against the multiple ridiculous comments that came from both him and Jennifer Knapp. I would Love to have seen a Skip Heitzig or Mark Driscoll. All you proved last night was you’re afraid of legitimate people that can make statements and back them up. Something that neither Jennifer nor Larry did last night.
And yes Jennifer Knapp, if you had to pick between exploring your sexuality or following whom you believe to be your Lord and Savior (Jesus Christ), you follow your Lord and Savior. That’s the premis of Christianity. Otherwise we wouldn’t tell our kids not to have Sex before Marriage. We all sin and all of our sin is equal in the Lords eyes but we REPENT. You sat there acting as if just because you’re Gay it’s no longer a Sin. And if you’re not going to repent of it then that’s something you’ll deal with on Judgment day. Do me a favor, if you’re going to go around living and promoting the Homosexual life don’t proclaim yourself a Christian artist. If you don’t think that homosexuality is a sin find a belief that agrees with that. Now if you’re not a Christian anymore then all of this is moot.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 11:33 am ET

@Sharrie

Is the Koran God's word?

Is the Tanakh God's word?


Monty   April 24th, 2010 11:36 am ET

I left a few comments and they were removed. They were not hateful. I used The Word of God...which is offensive to the unsaved. God delivered me from homosexuality. I still struggle with sin. But as time goes by sin continues top lose it's grip on me as I come to God broken hearted by the effects of sin. If you don't feel any affliction in your soul after a bout of sin I doubt you are a Christian. If you openly live in sin and encourage others to join you you are not in The Kingdom, or you are serious backslider. I'm simply blown away at the prideful arrogance Ms Knapp displayed last night. Her Greek is horrible. John 3:16, 17 ,18 , 19, and 20. The word is to read in context. Soon and very soon, we are going to see The King! And I don't mean Larry....


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 11:38 am ET

America has become a nation only willing to accept Christian, white, non gay, English speaking immigrants and preferably with deep pockets, a lot of energy and full bellies.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 11:40 am ET

Monty

What did God break off in your posterior to put the brakes on your past preferences?


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 11:42 am ET

Monty

It looks to me that your suffering from reptile dysfunction, your an asp!


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 11:45 am ET

Monty

The King you referenced died on his toilet in Memphis...not the Memphis in Egypt and he wasn't coming, he was pooping, or trying to..


Nick Kalfas   April 24th, 2010 11:46 am ET

I'm confused by a couple of comments made by Pastor Bob. First he says that God is omnipotent and later in the show he says that God changed His mind. How does he reconcile these two comments? Why would a Being who is omnipotent in the first place need to change His mind?

The pastor also indicated that homosexuality is a "choice" which connotes that one uses their human intellitect to arrive at a conclusion and then acts upon it. How, then, does he explain the incidence of homosexual behavior in animals who act upon instinct and not intellectual choices?


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 11:50 am ET

@Cajazz76:24:8. I don't believe that, but that is my opinion, and those who believe it, are entitled to their opinion and belief just as I am entitled to mines, but no I don't believe it to be, and I have studied other beliefs/religions, i have regular conversations with Muslims, Jehovah's Witness, and Mormons and we generally agree to disagree.


rickm   April 24th, 2010 11:53 am ET

What if Tiger Woods said I can love many women.This is who I am please accept me.I'm a multisexual.Would that be okay?How do gays know they are born that way.You don't develope feelings of sexuality until at least 8 years old.What about pedifiles.Are they born that way?If that were the case there would be boys molesting boys.Same with alcoholics.If you were born that way there would be children raiding their parents liquor cabinets.Obiously it's developed.
Some homosexuals with the proper training have become straight.That tells me they are not born that way and it's not natural.What if it were a treatable disorder.Would that be so bad.Our urges do not define who we are.They obviously change as we develope and grow.We seem to be turning into a shallow narssistic society that acts on our impulses and justifies it by saying thats who we are.


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 12:01 pm ET

@Nick you used the example of animals not having intellectual choices, have you seen the news this week where a family dog in Alaska help to save his owners from a fire, by recognizing his owner was in need of help when he caught on fire, ran to go get help a state trooper, found help, ran to show help the way all while looking back to ensure that help was still following, the dog made a intellectual choice to help his owner, rather than run for his own safety, or stay there and burn, we all have choice. Greatest gift God gave us was Choice.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 12:03 pm ET

Gerald Jolly..

Come on Gerald...a Pegasian is a blogger acting like a horses posterior who thinks their words can make pony poo fly..


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 12:15 pm ET

@Sharrie

Hey I wasn't deny you the opportunity to believe as you wish..to the contrary. I certainly have enjoyed your blogs and respect your opinions. You appear well balanced and can apparently separate the fly poo from the pepper. I am just stirring the pot of debate.

I think it's funny though that one of the Ten Commandants is not "Thou shall not Lie"...Many mistake the false witnessing to mean lying in general, but it was, in my opinion, meant to mean perjury, since courts or adjudication in the so-called biblical times and in modern Sharia Courts in the Islamic world calls into accounts of witnesses to be used as principal evidence to convict an accused.


Dennis   April 24th, 2010 12:26 pm ET

I was disgusted with Miss Knapp about her flaunting of her choice on the show even when in the face of being corrected by Pastor Bob in his hopes to correct her understanding so that her choices would be redirected.
But Miss Knapp is flaunting her comfort zone instead of adhering to Gods word for the sake of her safety and sanctity. Her choice to remain steadfast in an emotional comfort will only lead her to spiritual entrapment because the Bible warns people about being misdirected in regards to prioritizing feelings over the truth.
Gods word was given as a means of directing people through the daily path of walking in faith so as to avoid the deceptive traps that emotional physical and mental sin nature can cause.
I agree with the pastor here as his argument to stay within the confines of Gods word is to keep people free of sin so that they can work out their salvation on a daily basis rather than just make a one time claim and then live life on the basis of a vain choice.
Miss Knapp disavowed all the basic essentials about Gods word by making excuses about how to interpret the Bible, or the root scriptures of greek or hebrew manuscripts. She made excuses about herself in regards to choosing on the basis of individuality rather than allow the strengths of another to give proper warning about sins deceptions.
She made excuses about her choices based on the aspect of feelings because of her present human condition of feeling love for another.
Miss Knapp clearly showed a direct rebellion to Gods truth by clinging to her own expertise about whom she thought she was to herself. Thats the worst kind of deception there is for it causes people to negate personal salvation for the sake of clinging to a habit or a feeling of comfort.

Miss Knapp is clearly deceived and is flaunting deception by stating that its ok to be christian and gay at the same time.
God still loves her yes but won't abide with her because she herself is choosing to walk away from God by walking toward her sin. God will be forced to judge her when its time to judge the sin. Im sure Miss Knapp won't be too thrilled when that time comes.
I find it it sad that celebrated christians have to spoil the path of faith in others by stating that evil is good, and good is evil..especially in a public forum or event.
THE DEVIL JUST LOVES IT JENNIFER WHEN YOU DO THAT!

Jennifer take my advise.
Lock yourself in your prayer closet..and don't come out until you and God have this issue settled in your own heart. For your gift of music or ministry will be in peril if you continue to tout your actions over your beliefs. For God will hold YOU responsible for every one of those little ones whom you mislead and cause to stumble in their search for God and his spiritual truth!


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 12:26 pm ET

Sharrie

If those who grasp tightly to the bound accounts processed into a rolling account of bastardized and selective publications that many assembled from bit and pieces of individual thought processes, they should do a bit more research. They would find so many lies and contradictions regarding a multitude of makeovers, they would probably start worshiping the sun again, and be further blinded by the light. I am simply spellbound.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 12:35 pm ET

Ever since I was a child, about 6 or 8 years old I became uncomfortable with religion and politics...In my eyes they merged as one single entity. Remember, I grew up during the Cold War and heard all religious and political groups spread their brand of fire and brimstone throughout the world.
Looking back all can see it was a hyped act on the grandest scale on the largest stage. If you go back and look at all my blogs regarding religion and politics I use comparisons to group them as one. That is because if anyone looks at it and researches it will find religion and politics has no separation anywhere in the world, except in countries were it is not a predominant factor.
Prove or assimilate in some fashion that man has not made it up to appease his fears. No substantial or minute evidence exists to the contrary that man hasn't conjured it up to muddle the minds of those who are indoctrinated from birth into religion. Find a society that does not do that and you will find attitudes that are not affixed to their demise and they live and not worry about their life after death...a consolation to appease the fear of dying..
So many verses,veiled threats, vernaculars, phrases, parlances, expressions, idioms, idiosyncrasies, colloquialisms, argots, expressions, localisms in over 6000 languages and hundreds of dialects to contrive and convince billions on this planet there is a big boogey man or entity that will reign the damn-damn down on him if he strays from the norm in their particular culture, society, denomination, and environment. There are 19 major religions, over 270 large religions, over 6500 off shoots of those religions, over 34,000 separate Christian groups. So broad is this religious "umbrella" that it clearly includes polytheistic, tritheistic, monotheistic, pantheistic, non-theistic, and atheistic traditions. So in one word is becomes simply convoluted...an oxymoron...lol.
I simply say that man's first enemy was his greatest...his FEAR...his fear of the unknown..his fear of his death... His first invention to combat that fear was his God.
Since the beginning of recorded history, which is defined by the invention of writing by the Sumerian's, around 6000 years ago, there has been cataloged over 3700 supernatural beings, of which 2870 are considered deities. Those numbers are most probably a very conservative estimate because we have no accurate information before 4000 B.C. and human civilization goes back 8 000 to 10 000 years ago. You noticed I said civilization and not the existence of homo sapiens. For the first trace of modern humans, homo sapiens , we have to go a lot further back to 195 000 years ago. That means we have no direct evidence, or accurate information, about a belief system, if any, for 97% of the existence of the human species on Earth. There is some indirect evidence from the archeological discovery of funeral rites performed as far back as 350 000 years ago that may imply the belief of some sort of after life and one or many supernatural beings.
So history lesson and statistics aside, I often wonder why so few who believe that God had interceded, during times of biblical formatting, never observed that when 50-70 million of his "children" were perishing during World War II, he never made an appearance. It certainly would have altered the direction humanity has taken since then, which is not all that good, correct? Of course, someone will invent a reason....


Sharon Stoneley   April 24th, 2010 12:36 pm ET

Dear Larry,
I was very disturbed when listening to your interview with jennifer Knapps. What pastor Bob says is quite correct. My question to jennifer is this. "What does the word Christian mean" – quite simple – Christ like. So how is a lesbian "Christ like". God forgives us for our ways but you must turn around from that which God says is wrong. Romans 1 :24-32 I am not judging the person but the deed.Lev 20:13 says it is a " destestible act" What is said in the Old testament is confirmed in the new testament. God says He changeth not so why would he now accept homosexuality. (Malachi 3:6) We were created in His image and my Lord is not homosexual! 1Cor 6:9 says very plainly that homosexuals will not inherit the kingdom of God. However, having said this, there is forgiveness and there is a chance to turn your life around and live for God. He has given you a gift, don't throw it away by being deceived into thinking God accepts anything. His word is Truth and He is Truth.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 12:39 pm ET

@Dennis

How can anyone take Pastor Bob BuBBa Botchedworm serious.. He is so much like a Nazi mind-bender, it ridiculous. Such a phony bag of Tea.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:40 pm ET

@Sharrie-

You are mistaken to think that I have not read the bible. However, I just know that to truly follow God you must follow the word of God and not that of MAN.

The bible was written by man. At the times that it has been re-written through history the bible was being used for a political weapon and still is. It offends me on a spiritual level because it is using God for HATE and" taking his name in vein".

These are the commandments:

The 10 Commandments – God's Revelation in the Old Testament
The 10 Commandments are found in the Bible's Old Testament at Exodus, Chapter 20. They were given directly by God to the people of Israel at Mount Sinai after He had delivered them from slavery in Egypt:

"And God spoke all these words, saying: 'I am the LORD your God…

ONE: 'You shall have no other gods before Me.'

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

FOUR: 'Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.'

FIVE: 'Honor your father and your mother.'

SIX: 'You shall not murder.'

SEVEN: 'You shall not commit adultery.'

EIGHT: 'You shall not steal.'

NINE: 'You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.'

TEN: 'You shall not covet your neighbor's house; you shall not covet your neighbor's wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor's.'

There is no mention of Gay. It was not an issue for God. It is obviously part of his greater plan.

It was just an issue for scared, hateful insecure men that followed.

Only the 10 commandments are the word of our Lord. I have never seen "Honor they Mother and Frather" as an" and" not "and/or" statement. That is rigid thinking. If you think that way, if you are adopted you honor no one.

I honor God and my true faith in him makes me speak out.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 12:52 pm ET

I feel sorry for these people who use the bible as a crutch to excuse their hate and do not have a true personal relationship with God.

I pray one day they put down that book and stop listening to the venomous spin put upon it over the centuries by Man and reach out to the Lord for guidance.

To have a personal relationship with God you just need the 10 Commandments for guidance and then should look for his messages.

Genetics/DNA studies are a sign from God. Nature studies are a sign from God. To ignore them is to turn your face on the word of our Lord.


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 12:56 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8. Oh no I'm just fine, I love conversing, hearing different points of view, because if we are truly grounded in our beliefs someone else's opinion can't change that, but truth & God can. It's just sad to me, how many people on both sides of the fence don't see themselves, and it appears to be about justifying one's stance. I have watched as Pegasian and others on both sides talk about love, but say to those who respectfully disagree, you are satan followers, doing satan's work and so forth, it's sad that the same ones who claim bigotry, hatred or ignorance being spouted at them but can't see they are spewing it themselves when they cant even have a respectful discussion. It's sad. God help us all. It been enlightening.

I have a cousin who is a atheist who we talk a lot, and he asked me what does God say to you, I told him the better questions is why you think he can speak to me but won't speak to you, as I told him God judges our hearts, the state of heart, are we committed to him or the world, are we obedient to him or do we make our own way, as I told him God's word says he who comes to him must believe he is God and I told my cousin do you still wonder why I hear God and you feel you don't, see if we are truly living for God it will show, the bible says you will know them by their fruit, and that true believers will have signs that follow in their lives. So I ask atheist what you ask christians what if you are wrong? I am a christian who believes in science, I just believe God created it, I believe a woman's right to choose is between her and God, I believe homosexuals are no more or less sinners than Heterosexuals who are fornicating, I believe 1 Corinthians tells us what love is, I believe we all fall short of the glory of God and I believe I am supposed to love all people whether enemies, atheist, different beliefs, homosexual, etc. because God loves me unconditionally.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 1:06 pm ET

@Dennis

From the head of Dennis...

Jennifer take my advise.
Lock yourself in your prayer closet..and don't come out until you and God have this issue settled in your own heart. For your gift of music or ministry will be in peril if you continue to tout your actions over your beliefs. For God will hold YOU responsible for every one of those little ones whom you mislead and cause to stumble in their search for God and his spiritual truth!

Dennis, you say much here for an analyst to mull over...you like to instill fear and make threats and are in great fear you are a homosexual. You are far from settled in your belief system and are still in search of a 'truth'. You're a strong supporter to deny the rights of those who do not share your fragile life style, even to the point of incarcerating them or taking their life. You're another relic suffering from reptile dysfunction...and an asp besides. Where is the harm of someone born with or has accepted a different life style than the one you're in fear of...your own? Of course, all that is in your head is learned behavior.....


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 1:09 pm ET

@pegasian.
How is it that you believe in the ten commandants only, so you took what you wanted out of the bible and made it just that. Please explain the difference between Heterosexual and homosexual and please once agin if it's God's plan than why does it say Mother=woman & Father=man, far as you not reading the bible I never singled you out in saying you didn't read, I said many people don't, I am a very blunt person, I say what I mean and mean what I say. However I would like to discuss all you stated about love, when in your post you have called people that have difference in opinion with you, satan followers, doing satans work, those who haven't bluntly criticized you, you seem to be on the attack (the bible says you will know them by their fruit), however I would love to keep this going I can listen all day, because all I hear is your feelings and not facts. Fact the bible was not written by one person, the ten commandments you speak of were written by Moses as well as Genesis, Moses wrote Genesis after he prayed and asked God to show him his Glory . I have plenty of facts if you wish to discuss facts, not just feelings because everybody has feelings doesn't make all our feelings right or truth.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 1:14 pm ET

Sharrie

Only one word describes you..PRECIOUS!!!


James   April 24th, 2010 1:22 pm ET

The Church needs to stop making gay individuals feel unwanted. The comments from the Church saying that being gay is unnatural only leads to more discrimination and gay bashing across the nation. The often used passages from the Bible to justify these actions are taken out of context and misused based on religious agenda. The Pastor who debated with her last night claimed that the passages in Leviticus should not be used by gay individuals as a rebuttal based on the fact that "God changed his mind" on everything in that chapter except homosexuality. That I find to be interesting based on the fact that the one verse "man shall not lay with man as he does woman kind" is one of the most frequently used verses by Christians. Why use it if according to the Pastor last night is no longer relevant. The Bible contains too many contradictions for it to be consider in this argument. Let people love and stop the hate. Christians keep using what they call "love" to hate on others.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 1:35 pm ET

On the day of 'Resurrection' the mother of Jesus found him sitting on a rock outside the tomb he was placed in days earlier. He was gnawing at the palms of his hands and she scolded him.."Stop biting your nails"...


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 1:36 pm ET

@pegasian. Just as the "Ten Commandments" become symbolic of the fullness of the moral law of God, the ten ancient plagues of Egypt represent the fullness of God's expression of justice and judgments, upon those who refuse to repent. You stated how the ten commandments were given to the children of Israel after God delivered the children of Israel from slavery, well lets look at the story of the children Israel, God warned and warned Pharisees to let his people go from slavery, but what I like most is that God sent a plague that defeated every pagan, false God that Pharisees believed in and whats most important the significance of every plague was to represent God's power over these false God's and their false doctrine, God put judgment on Pharorah because he was prideful and because he refused to repent. In saying that the bible says everyman thinks he is right in his own sight, the bible says follow those through faith and patience who inherit the promises of God, meaning follow those who live righteously , if you believe God is our father your saying that the 10 commandments are the only instruction and direction he gives us to live by or in all honesty is that because you feel it supports your view, but it's in the bible and none of the rest of the bible works right. Also the bible says God sets his people according to where it pleases him, the bible says God has shepherds to lead the flock and any shepherd that misleads his sheep will be held accountable, which states we are to seek guidance of men and women of God, but just as God just us Choice he also gives us Common Sense. the bible says of the flesh comes no good thing, that why it's so much more to it than just having a relationship with God, (it the most important but it's more) loving others, helping others, being obedient to his word, man shall not eat by bread alone but from out every word of the lord.


M.Dean   April 24th, 2010 1:39 pm ET

As Christians we believe The Bible to be our guide to. God intended sex to be reserved for marriage for the purpose of conceiving children. Marriage is a union between man and women therefore any pre-marital sex is sinful. If you choose to engage in pre-marital sex (gay or straight) you chose a sinful lifestyle. This is not passing judgment but simply God’s plan known to all true Christians who follow the new testament of The Bible.


lola   April 24th, 2010 1:45 pm ET

Reading all these comments on this blog only proves one thing: there is no absolute true answer. Each person, whether Christian or not, whether gay or not, must look into their own hearts and live their life the way they see fit. We all must answer to the God we carry in our own hearts. Accept others for the life they chose to lead.


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 1:50 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8. You are too silly, my cousin who considers himself atheist found out I watch Bill Mahr blew his mind, I told him I also watch Joyce Meyers whats wrong with that, just because I talk to someone about something or watch something doesn't mean I agree. People think most christians are republicans not, I just hate being group with people who are extreme and take God's word and interpret it without God.


JC Macfly   April 24th, 2010 1:56 pm ET

So sad for Mr Haggard, obviously He hasn't repent from his sins.

Good for Pastor Botsford, but understandable nobody shares his perspective because He sees from God's point of view.

Jennifer, yes....Jesus died for you too.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 2:13 pm ET

I have always heard that God knows our entire life's endeavors before we are even born, makes me wonder what kind of a sense of humor he has?


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 2:17 pm ET

Why would God invent a dude called Satan? Was he that bored or was he an athlete who loved the agony of defeat?


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 2:19 pm ET

He couldn't have invented Satan to enjoy the thrill of victory..He owned all the toys anyone could ever have to play with..


Rob   April 24th, 2010 2:21 pm ET

It's simple people. "God created man in His own image; in the image of God he created him; male and female He created them" (Genesis 1:27). "Therefore a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and they shall become one flesh" (Genesis 2:24).
God created the sanctity of marriage between Adam and Eve. In Genesis, God married Adam and Eve. He did not create two men or two women. Man and woman were created by God and ordered by God to go into the world and multiply. Jennifer, as with all other homosexuals, are obviously trying to justify their choice. The pastor was not judging her. Not once did he say, she is going to hell. He is praying for her to repent and come back to Christ so that Christ can forgive her. Not once does the bible say two men or two women can be together. He was asking her to follow God's will. Read the scripture, its all there. Genesis lays out God's will for us.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 2:26 pm ET

And to all the Aviators of Christian belief...If God is your co-pilot your sitting in the wrong seat !


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 2:31 pm ET

Pastor Bob Botox...

You have a wrinkled perception of life and the universe...grow some hair on that posterior scalp of yours and stop trying to be God..one word for you ..CLOSETED !!!!!!!!


Smith in Oregon   April 24th, 2010 2:47 pm ET

@ Christian At Large, If you read the article which you apparently did not before spouting out your disapproval, Jennifer Knapp from Australia has been at several recent OIL SPILLS. A fire and explosion in a deep ocean Oil Rig offshore of Australia which resulted in 8 Million gallons of Crude Oil being released into the Ocean. A supertanker running aground in the immense Australian Coral Reefs which have killed a large number of the Coral and fouled the surrounding area with crude oil.

I realize you and the rash of bible thumping purists here are solely interested in bashing Jennifer Knapp over your misguided and extremely narrow and crass view that a Lesbian singing your 'gospel' tunes is torturing your and your familys ears with the squeals of delight from your 'satan'.

Meanwhile in the real world, a massive deep shore Oil Rig burned down in the Gulf of Mexico and threatening to foul many miles of America's coast line with crude oil.

You remind me of some of the great wrongs in this world. Where bible thumpers spew out the toxic rhetoric which green lights their rabid and zealot followers to absolutely TRASH the Earth because they are under the mistaken thumping propaganda they'll be removed from the Earth during 'rapture' before their TRASH and Toxic Dumping habits come back to bit them in the butt. They are merely visitors of the Earth so they are taught to absolutely TRASH and DUMP their corporate hazardous waste in the Ocean and in their neighbors backyard.

@ Christian At Large, you remind me of the mindless masses and the great wrongs in this world, people with no accountability for their actions which when entirely evil is either blamed on their bible or on their 'satan'.

For many years I had previously hoped Christians and Muslims would find their 'RAPTURE UNDER A HUGE ATOMIC MUSHROOM CLOUD' very soon. Now, I just feel sorry for each of you in your mindless prattle and your empty churches.


Paul   April 24th, 2010 2:56 pm ET

Even if God came onto your forum, and gave you his answer directly none of you would listen. It would be drowned out by hundreds of opinions of what God says;

I tell you this; the answer is 'Temperence'!!!


Joe   April 24th, 2010 2:57 pm ET

NO you can NOT be gay and christian
There is no such thing as a born again murderer.
There is such a thing as a wolf in sheep's clothing, as "you call me Lord Lord but do not do what I say, depart from Me you who practice lawlessness. It is not that some are worse sinners than others. It is about those who "practice" lawlessness. It is about knowingly and willingly living in sin with no remorse or guilt. In fact, Heb 6:6 tells us that those who have committed the unpardonable sin are those who God can not get to repent. It is very possible that these people like Jennifer has gone so far that she has been so blinded by the devil that you can not get her to repent. Pray for her. She is in trouble.


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 2:59 pm ET

@Smith in Oregon. I feel sorry when people label all as one. A lot of Christians get labeled for the wrongs of other Christians, not everyone believes the same things, whether Christian, non-christian, person, human being. All Christians are branded hate mongers when most people don't realize that what they are saying is hate by labeling all, calling mindless masses, sounds very judgmental, but on the flip side it's said people fear what they don't know, however I guess that only applies too some, I guess hate, bigotry and labeling is only applicable to those who choose to judge those who say they judge others.


Dennis   April 24th, 2010 3:06 pm ET

knowing what the word of God says comes from actually reading the word of God for what the word of God is.It takes time and patience to study the word so that the reader can understand what God is saying about an issue. The difference between applying Gods word to oneself over a religious connotation or application of a religious ideal (contemporary movement) is that truth is applied to a persons heart when they read Gods word for what it is AND pray for themselves that the word of God in implemented to the persons life according to the written directive and the spiritual experience the person recieves from God in grace. Then faith will cause the persons choice to take the necessary steps away from the deceptions of sin and towards the constant renewal of Gods spirit on a daily basis.

Those who condemn christians because they are seemingly so filled with hate are mislead to believe a deception about a behavioral course of choice. This worlds ideals are in enemy hands so therefore those who choose to follow Gods word and spirit will therefore speak out against the ways of the world so as to confront them for the unrighteous actions and deceptive entrapments they cause. This will include the expose of christians who claim that evil is good such as what you have seen pastor Bob do on the show.
The Bible is clear to instruct believers to be judgemental when it comes to exposing sin because its sin that causes death. The Bible is clear to warn that to cause damnation because of sin is only Gods job so christians are not to condemn..only judge.
There is a fine line between judging what is good and right to that of evil and condemning another person because of their actions. Pastor Bob didn't condemn anybody was was acting rightly in judging the matter according to the understanding between righteous living in Gods spirit and the life of vanity that usually is seeded in the comfort of self.

Miss Knapp needs to understand that shes flaunting sin. And in doing so shes setting other people up to try..repeat..embrace...duplicate...endorse..and worship..that form of sin up to and including making that sin a part of their living simply because they think that if its ok for one christian to do so, then everybody ought to live that way.
God is going to judge sin..for he cannot have sin in his presence. If a person ebraces sin to the point of letting sin become predominant in their life then their own choice to do so will allow sin to rule their life. In doing that God will be forced outof their lifestyle even if they think they are still in Gods favor by their own choice to mentally believe. Their choice to to disobey the word of Gods directive will cause them to fall away. They won't draw close to God because of sin. Sin will cause them to become strangers to Gods grace so they won't receive any daily blessings. God will be forced to draw away from the person because of the persons own choice to embrace a foreign enlightenment. So when its time to judge the sin God will be forced to judge the person right along with the sin.
Compare it to holding trash on your lap. If you burn the trash while you're holding it, then yes your lap will burn too. Its just that simple.
Pastor Bob was correct to be judgmental as it was his loving way to show Miss Knapp that to keep her sin in her lap is to cause her to be vulnerable to the aspect of Gods judgment. For God WILL judge sin regardless of what we think of it, or how we think it makes us feel.

and all the excuses in the world whether they are public or private won't prevent us from becoming a factor in that judgment if we choose to embrace the sin over Gods effort to rid us from those pitfalls.

The devil could care less about you..If he can cause people like Miss Knapp to embrace sin and call it good, how much more will he cause people like you the reader to do the same thing?

read your bible and let it be absorbed in the core of your heart. Gods truth will show you the difference between truth and the worlds deceptive vanity!


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 3:09 pm ET

I wonder why people can't have a decent conversation without names and hatred being spewed, being when you choose to talk in a tone thats says your judging others but oh wait no, i am going to call you on something I'm doing but say oh wait it's not me doing it, it's you. It's a difference between a conversation and an argument, talking to understand each others point of view and just trying to belittle or berate someone's opinion different than your own. How can the intolerant get upset with intolerance? God is Good, and God Bless You All.


Ian Walton   April 24th, 2010 3:11 pm ET

I'll get right to the point. This gal cannot call herself a Christian and a moment later gay! – Hello. Maybe she should read her bible a little more.

Thanks,


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 3:19 pm ET

Paul

One thing you should pray for tonight to God..the ability to spell..Temperance....It's okay he forgives you!!! Ever wonder how the word came into existance? Gotch Ya! Existence!


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:20 pm ET

@Sharrie_

You said a truth. The 10 Commandments are the moral law of GOD given to Moses but the bible is the moral law of flawed MAN.

Thank you for that clarification and true insight.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 3:24 pm ET

Nobody ever knew why the extinction of Blacksmith dogs never became an issue to Christian conservationists. They used to lick themselves to cool their tools after being kicked in their posteriors and making a bolt for the door..


Leroy Phillips   April 24th, 2010 3:26 pm ET

I would like to know why CNN chose not to put my comment on this blog? My name and e-mail were attached. The time I sent the first was before many of these listed.

I pray it is because CNN could not stand the truth I wrote, and that whom ever censored it now has the truth to think about, and will one day come to believe the truth of the Good News of Jesus Christ.

I really don't expect anyone there to respond. God knows our hearts.

The Bible has been proven correct again with this blog, it states, " the path is narrow that leads to life, in heaven. Not many follow it. The path to death, hell, is wide and many will follow it."

Leroy


verify   April 24th, 2010 3:27 pm ET

Ok, here's the truth: The Bible is a collection of folktales, told by Middle Eastern, Bronze Age shepherds around the campfire as a way to pass on genealogy, and to explain the things about nature which they didn't understand.

Yes, there are some valid morality tales, but it is rife with myth, legend, fantasy and superstition.

It was written down ages later when people in the area learned to write, and mistakes were made ; for example, even scholars can't determine if the legendary Goliath was 6'9 or 9'6, since they think that the scribe possibly transposed the numbers, and numerous, numerous other inconsistencies.

Then over the centuries, churches had it translated (often incorrectly), interpreted, rewritten, edited and approved for publication by corrupt councils.

The New Testament does not have historical backup, and was by and large a giant PR effort by Saul (Paul) of Tarsus.

It was not written by any god, and is no more inspired by a god than Aesop's Fables, The Canterbury Tales, or Dr. Seuss.

Living a life only according to this book is ludicrous.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 3:33 pm ET

Leroy Phillips

Perhaps your view was too narrow..Loosen up, take the yellow brick road.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:39 pm ET

And let us be clear> I do not condemn or hate christians. I myself am one. However, I see most" followers" as lost because they are following the flawed word of Man and not having a true personal connection with God.

God spe


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:41 pm ET

God speaks to us every day but many benefit by keeping us too confused to hear the true messages.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 3:45 pm ET

Dennis

You mention sin many times...Sin is a religious concept of man's moral issues he manufactured to abate his fear and his self shame. Man was not created equal...just look at your butt buddy and make a comparison..


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 3:47 pm ET

pegasian

Do not take offense to a previous blog I made answering someone's question regarding your moniker..


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:50 pm ET

@Cajazz-

I selected to just ignore it. it was off topic and of no concern to me.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 3:53 pm ET

and let us be clear the bible clearly states past MAN's stance on being Gay...it is NOT the stated stance of GOD


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 4:04 pm ET

pegasian

I would imagine at the very least God would be bi-sexual...


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:09 pm ET

@Cajazz-

I actually don't think as God as having a gender. That would be too limiting? And for God to have a gender wouldn't their have to be a Mrs. God?

I say "he" to simplify the discussion.

MAN said that they were made in God's form out of their usual insecurity and vanity. I actually find most enlightened and educated woman are closer to God then most men.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:10 pm ET

their=there oops


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:11 pm ET

woman = women oopsx2


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 4:13 pm ET

pegasian

Every time I am asked to make a distinction I just say ...imagine that!


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 4:14 pm ET

@ pegasian. I hear you and praise God for you, that we can talk. So since were talking, I believe and it's just my belief in all of God's word, I can't believe that Moses was inspired to write God's word but others weren't, especially when I research the bible and it's topics, as I said when my brother died I studied different views on God and beliefs, I made a choice years later not because of being raised in church anymore, because I sought the truth for myself, I remember the first time I went to church in 7-8 years after being angry at God for taking my brother, I didn't want to go my now church because of my own bigotry at the time, it was a multicultural church and I wanted to go to a quote on quote black church and Holy spirit convicted me and I went, when I went there God spoke directly to me in the sermon, I rededicated my life, and God started changing my heart the more I got to know about God, prayed, meditated and listened to his word. I remember at our womens convention there was one of our members giving her testimony of how her daughters love for her & God drew her to the church, because all other churches had judged her, reticuled her for being a lesbian and how she become a member because she saw the love the sincere love of people at our church, the humility displayed from knowing we all fall short of the Glory of God, but God is good when we do what God says and not what we think, because God I believe is the creator not me I have seen I have witnessed how God will do miracles that people don't want to recognize in our lives and others, I never wanted to be married until I joined my church and started seeing Godly I mean real deal marriages, where the spouses truly respect each other and I believed God puts you together as one, my Bishop says homosexuality is no greater or lesser sin than being drunk consistently, lying, etc., we aren't to judge others, we are a come as you are church, but we all havet o be willing to let God change us, because we all sin, I believe God loves you no less or more than me, but I also believe that homosexuality isn't of God just as fornication isn't of God, or Idolatry, etc. and I also believe that it isn't my place to change any of it but my own with God, I believe God created us to live a blessed life, righteous life and most importantly be a blessing to all others we can. As I told my brother I respected him, I didn't like his choices, but I loved him regardless and I also prayed for him regardless, just like I pray for myself and others. I cannot judge you, all God wants us to do is Pray for each other, that God's will be done in our lives and not our own, that we treat each other as we would want to be treated, because for me I realized a long time ago that God's plan for me is better than any plan I can come up with myself. None of us are perfect, but God is, and I believe we can't know all that God has for us by doing it on our own if we could we would have created ourselves.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:20 pm ET

@Sharrie-

continue your logic...and why am I and others not inspired to spread God's true words. You are supporting everything I have said but are too blinded by an old outdated book to see it.


Rich   April 24th, 2010 4:22 pm ET

Only when you intentionally put being a lesbian as a higher priority than getting to know God does it become sinful.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 4:24 pm ET

When man was confronted by his first enemy..his fear....he did just that..imagined. Thus, man's first invention ...his God. A weapon....to combat his fear..We came a long way since then in manufacturing things that go BOOM and then become inert.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:25 pm ET

@Sharrie-

I think you should research the history of translations of the bible for some insight. If you investigate what Charlamagne (Sp?) did to it you might become aware how it has been tainted and spun with an agenda by MAN.

It is not a pure source


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 4:35 pm ET

pegasian

I may be wrong but I think Sharrie is saying that God could care less of what someone's sexual behaviors amount to. She is simply saying that God will accept you as is.. I may be wrong, but she finds in God what most do not see...a guide and a comfort...I am fairly certain she knows and accepts man wrote the bible...I have been wrong on a minute by minute basis all my life though..


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:38 pm ET

Furthermore, I thank God everyday for making me gay for it gives me a braver and more daring eye to see the simplicity and true beauty within his message of LOVE.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:42 pm ET

@Sharrie-

If you base validity of a text on sales, when are you opening 'the Church of Harry Potter?"

For us to actually have a debate on God that is balanced and open you would have to step out of the bible for support/evidence.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:46 pm ET

I get upset with "christians" who condemn Gays and make many turn their backs to God. ...and many a teen commit suicide in guilt and confusion.

This condemnation is based on the words of Man and not the word of God. This is a valid example of taking God's name in vain and is not his intent.


Bill   April 24th, 2010 4:51 pm ET

To "Keep it Real"

Sorry I did not respond to your last comment last night...it got late and I had to go to bed🙂

Your example of the pastor, who went south, with the support of other pastors, is another sad example...

Keep it real – for certain there are ministers who fall and it happens way to often...I can only tell you that the spiritual slide for these ministers begins when they start to listen to their own press...Satan and the forces of evil are very subtle in their efforts to get ministers, and all people for that matter, focused on their ego's...

The pastors who fall, and take so many innocent people, forget that they are servants of Christ, vessels, and nothing more...

Daily, and moment by moment, ministers, and all who follow Christ must seek Him, His Way and His Power...and ministers and Christ-followers, alike, must keep our eyes on Jesus...people can let us down but Jesus never fails...

Keep it real – it breaks my heart to see ministers fall and fail...for, when a shepherd falls the flock is hurt, i.e. sheep, precious people are hurt...I don't know, but maybe you have been hurt personally by a pastor or the church...if this is the case, I am sorry...

The only thing I can say, is seek Jesus, read about Him, study Him, and I think you will discover one that loves you and cares about you...

In Christ's Love, Bill


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:52 pm ET

@Sharrie-

You may have missed this:

April 24th, 2010 12:11 am ET

Let us be clear. Homosexuality is a "sin" based on a interpretation of an unauthorized biography, written 300 hundred years after the death of the subject by people who never met him. Furthermore, the text has been re-edited so many times that we have lost count. The original text was in a lost language for which we were lacking the key.

To follow a current interpretation of the bible blindly would be like basing your core religious beliefs on an interpretation of a Katy Kelly Biography by a vicious Drama Queen with a hidden agenda.

Their are fragments of GOD'S WORD in the bible but his true message is before you every day. GOD is LOVE. ALWAYS ACT from LOVE and NOT HATE and you are with GOD.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 4:56 pm ET

@Sharrie_

I do not need you to "praise God" for me. I act out his praise daily in my efforts. An example is my trying to give you clearer insight of his message of Love

God is strong within me.


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 4:58 pm ET

@ pegasian. Your right it isn't the only source, God sent a comforter the Holy Spirit, even if you don't believe that, what people say is our conscience, as I stated before Science, Nature and Biology supports the Biblical statements and predictions whether people want to accept it or not. As my Bishop said when you create a book that I can use and see tangible changes in my life, my families life, that I know I couldn't do on my own, until you create a man and woman, a earth, I think I will go with what God's word says, but in all fairness I will look up Charlamagne (Sp?), last thing to your comment the agenda of man, the only agenda I can see to man supposedly creating doctrine that homosexuality is a sin just as other sins, would be related to the survival of man, please tell me if you feel any other things.
However God will judge it in the end, God will say who is right and who is wrong. God Bless You. I have to go cook.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 5:02 pm ET

@Bill

Maybe the shephards have fallen as a sign to show that they are corrupting the true/pure message of God?

Do acts of LOVE and not HATE


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 5:07 pm ET

@Sharrie-

If you actually don't think I believe in God...I am shocked! We just do not agree on source and definitions. I am primarilly offended by the misuse of the message of God's Love by many a flawed Man.

If I wasn't strong in God would I be trying so hard with you?


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 5:26 pm ET

@ pegasian. Where have you heard me say to you that you don't believe in God. I wanted to make clear I am not a person who slightly says what I mean I say exactly what I mean, and I can tell your getting offended because you feel saying your peace, your opinions is spreading Love but if I say I praise God for you it isn't. I chose to have a conversation with you knowing that Aaron's every word you took offense to, you seem to have a lot of hostility is it hard to have a conversation with someone who believes different than you, that isn't attacking you, that's one definition of love to me, to be able to talk decently with one another. Also all shepherds haven't fell a lot are prospering and their members are prospering during these hard economic times.
Do acts of LOVE and not HATE. Lets practice what we preach, all of us. Or do you believe someone having a different view or belief than you is practicing hate, walking in love means that I can listen to you and you can listen to me we can agree or agree to disagree without calling names or passing judgments.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 5:28 pm ET

I hope Jennifer is reading all this and knows that many see her now as being stronger with God because she has been brave enough to be honest about the gift of Love that he gave her and has accepted the path that God had planned for her.

Jennifer thank you for doing God's True Work on Larry King


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 5:32 pm ET

@Sharrie-

This is what you said that shocked me:

"God sent a comforter the Holy Spirit, even if you don't believe that"

and by me being shocked is not being offended.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 5:37 pm ET

@Sharrie-

Furthermore, If you review our contact my feelings of offence was always directed to "flawed Man" and not you.


Sharrie   April 24th, 2010 5:40 pm ET

@pegasian.
Than I must apologize because I didn't mean that in the sense that you don't, however if you recall our responses I put it out there what I believe I told you specifics and I interpreted only general statements from you in regards to Love, I interpreted that from your statements GOD is LOVE. ALWAYS ACT from LOVE and NOT HATE and you are with GOD. Those are your beliefs. That you believe in in the 10 commandments which are rules we agree on.


Matthew   April 24th, 2010 5:45 pm ET

I'm amazed at how many people claim to be Christian, but don't even understand the very basics of Christianity. The bible is clear about homosexuality being a sin. Yes even in the new testament. Will it send you to hell? I don't know. The bible also says that only God sees the heart of a man. Therefore only he can judge you. My biggest problem with the gay christian movement is that rather than seeing your sin for what it is... sin... you embrace it. I have sin in my life that I deeply want out of my life. I don't want to embrace it and encourage others to do the same!! I want to be free from it!! AND thats what its REALLY about!! Freedom from sin!! That's what Gods grace is all about. Freeing us from sin so we can be with him in this life, on this planet as well as in the life to come.


Smith in Oregon   April 24th, 2010 5:53 pm ET

I imagine a great many of these christian bible thumping purists are burning their Jennifer Knapp albums now and plugging the ears on their children when Jennifer Knapp sings their 'gospel' tunes on the aire.

Reminds me of the mass Harry Potter book burnings by many christian organizations and student groups across America.

Remarkably, I find more ethical and moral accountability in the entire Harry Potter series of literary material than in the lives of the christian bible thumping purists who routinely spew and spout how moral and pure they are to anyone that pauses out of annoyance to listen!!!


Tim Unfreid   April 24th, 2010 6:14 pm ET

Larry, wouldn't it be nice to have Paul in the studio? This is what he told Pastor Timothy:

"Preach the Word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. They will turn their ears away from the truth..."

Larry, the issue is that Jennifer has gathered around herself her "pastoral team" to tell her exactly what her itching ears want to hear to justify a lifestyle of idolatry. The deeper issue is that Jennifer is committing what every person commits at some level and at some point and that is idolatry- the worship of created things above the Creator. Jennifer simply has elevated her lover to a place of worship above Christ. We all commit this sin when we glory in something or someone more than God, and present ourselves to that person or thing that we think is most glorious and make sacrifices.

Concerning judging- Christians are not to judge those who are not believers because the unbeliever does not have the ability to obey Christ because they don't have the Holy Spirit indwelling them, giving them the capacity for obedience. It's ludicrous to hold someone to a standard if they don't have the means of living up to it. However, we are to judge those who call themselves Christ followers not in a condemning way but with humility holding up the truth of God's Word and always in a way that makes room for repentance and restoration of relationship. I'm not a hater Larry, nor a homophobic. As Christians we're all called to judge ourselves and to contend for the faith in God honoring ways. Sometimes- we need to be corrected and rebuked- in love as Paul would do.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 7:03 pm ET

@Sharrie-

I want to share something with you.

My favourite commandment is, "thou shall not use the Lord's name in vain."

If you know the origins of the word "vain,'" it is also saying your should never use God's name for your own vanity. This means to never use his name for your own purpose or agenda. God foresaw, before the bible, people corrupting his message for their own purposes and put a warning against it in the 'top ten."

Using God's name for any form of hate is an abomination and even the saints have warned against it.


Smith in Oregon   April 24th, 2010 7:06 pm ET

What is a christian? A member of a self-titled and self-professed group and organization who have historically murdered more women, children and men around the world than any religion or organization.

What is a christian? A member of a self-titled group whose leaders have repeated sought complete and total spiritual and physical slavery over all people within their domain.

What is a christian? A member of a self-titled group whose leaders have repeatedly committed crimes against humanity.

What is a christian? A member of a self-titled group whose leaders have repeatedly destroyed other cultures spiritual values, murdered other culture's spiritual leaders, destroyed other culture's spiritual temples and in utter lapses of ethical and moral regard, replaced them with their own in a very overt and crass attempt at world domination and spiritual and physical slavery over all human beings.

What is a christian? A member of a self-titled group whose leaders have repeatedly banned, burned and destroyed ancient cultures historical records because they were seen as a conflict with their attempt to re-spin ancient history and obtain world domination and spiritual and physical slavery over all human beings.

What is a christian? A person that attempts to explain or bypass direct blame for the most evil of actions they and their associates commit by disavowing their associates as simply 'not true christians'.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 7:09 pm ET

@Sharrie-

And whenever I read the bible I hold the commandments close to me to unlock its mysteries and not lose my way in the words of Man.

I see great beauty in the bible but also see the flaws of Man.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 7:14 pm ET

@Sharrie-

And if you will review you will see that I have never bashed christians. I am upset with anyone here who has. I have bashed using the bible as a weapon of hate. The commandments clearly warn against this.

I pray for those who have become lost to the true message of God by the interpretations based on other's vanity.


Patricia Love   April 24th, 2010 7:44 pm ET

I'd not been introduced to Jennifer Knapp's music until the show aired here in China, and I am very impressed by her talent. I am a new fan – Brava, Jennifer, brava! The discussion was intelligently presented and remained within the margins of decency, and it is for this reason that I wish to comment on its theme.

True, we may have natural inclinations and choices to make based on these biological leanings. It is also true that a majority seems to be moving away from the language of the Bible, mostly because societies have liberated from the sociological circumstances and contexts of the Testaments.

However, can we think within a paradigm of relationship with Whomever we dignify with the notion of Highest Good? We all possess negative natural inclinations. Some of these leanings induce harm to others, while others dissipate our own welfare. What we might learn to understand is that certain behaviors carry the propensity of deviant behavior: ambition, violence, drugs, mental, physical, and emotional abuse, sexuality (of any kind), lust for power over others - all demonstrate areas in which we may have natural leanings but that we choose to correct for the sake of Relationship. Religion is a corporate understanding of the most noble notion humanity has ever endured – an understanding of who God Is.

And because of this need for God, we must realize we are called to change.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 7:46 pm ET

@Kevin Norton-

You need a correction.

Arsenokoites:

Means moral weakness, promiscuity or pure carnality. It does not speak to any gender sets. It was wrongly translated to say "homosexuality is a sin."

It is not the word of God but the word of Man. However, if you properly translate it, "promiscuity and pure carnality is a sin." Therefore, even in those days MEN were saying to be with the Lord you must be in a loving,affectionate and committed relationship and promote this in all their forms."

The proper translation of this phrase should be used by christians to support gay rights and marriage as the way of Lord. Do not take the Lord's name in vain for your own agenda and purposes (or for those of other men) . Use the commandments as a key to find your way to the true message of GOD'S LOVE.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 8:34 pm ET

@Steve-

You said:
April 24th, 2010 1:00 am ET

@pegasian,
Satan is called the god of the flies, or beelzebub. There are many "gods" out there. The one true God is the one that says that the practice of homosexuality is wrong. If this is not your god I am sorry.

You need a correction. God never said that homosexuality was a sin. He never addresses it. Even the bible admits that the commandments are the only pure and clear guidelines of our Lord. If it was a biggie you would think it would make the "top ten" list. Homosexuality is never mentioned there. Everything else are the statements of Man. If the flawed messages of Man are your god...I am very sorry for you. I will pray that God guides you to the clarity of his Love.


Dodie   April 24th, 2010 8:52 pm ET

@ Ted

Thank You! At least there one intelligent blog!! What does that say for the rest!

Ted, you give me hope along with Cajazz, A. Smith, Gerald Jolly and Jack! Whew, I was getting worried...


Teresa   April 24th, 2010 9:30 pm ET

While I know the Bible is clear about the sin of relations with the same sex; with adultery, with fornication, murder, anger, judgement, legalism, theft, covetousness, lies... etc. I also KNOW that it leaves room for people to come AS THEY ARE, to Christ. He will deal with our sins as He see's fit. He will convict us and change us from situation to situation as He see's fit. EVERY mans way is right in his own mind, but the Lord judges the heart. We are to walk out our own salvation with fear and trembling. Love God and love people. We don't need to agree or condone any persons choice of sin, which comes in many forms, both seen or concealed. And God does not put one sin above another. It's a pass or fail test, AND WE ALL FAIL! Thus our need for Jesus! I am happily married (to a man) with 5 children. I am Christian and proud to be one, even though I am not perfect and never will be until God takes me home!


david   April 24th, 2010 9:43 pm ET

The main idea of being a Christian was not brought up: to die from ourself (our wants and needs) and to live for Him. We cannot be living in the midst of our sin and not be working on (through Christ's power) changing the sin.our lives. our lives are not are own.he paid for it.
God Bless


Lauren   April 24th, 2010 9:48 pm ET

It's interesting to me how so many of us feel like no one has the right to tell anyone if they are right or wrong on a subject matter and how so many of us think that we can choose our own truth all of the time – just so it makes us happy – because it doesn't work that way. For those of us with kids, we don't forgo warning them when they are going down a path that will lead to pain just because the path (or journey) is making them happy (i.e. running out into a busy road). If we truly love our kids, we warn them strongly, just as Pastor Bob was doing for Jenn (not that she's a child).

You can't claim to love the Jesus of the Bible and not FIGHT to do what He commands. It would be one thing if she was agreeing that homosexuality was sin (just like anger, affairs, violence, lying, gossip etc are) and that she was trying to change by God's grace, but she's not pursuing God's help to change. There are strong warnings in Scripture for all of us that if we LIVE a lifestyle of sin we are not saved. I'm not taking a strong stance here on homosexuality, but on all sin – anger and everything. 1 John 1:5-7 says "This is the message we have heard from him and declare to you: God is light; in him there is no darkness at all. If we claim to have fellowship with him yet walk in the darkness, we lie and do not live by the truth. But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship with one another, and the blood of Jesus, his Son, purifies us from all sin."

Jenn, if you ever read this, you might not believe it, but I love you, too! I grew up listening and LOVING your music (and you!) and it really ministered to me. I am praying for you – that God would open the eyes of your heart to the glory of Christ and bring you to repentance for your highest joy and His glory. God bless!


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 10:21 pm ET

@Lauren_

I AM fighting to do what GOD commands. That can be found in the 10 commandments. That is why they are called that. GOD commands nothing about being gay. Those commands that appear later in the bible are solely the writings of MAN expressing his own fears and flaws.

The 10 commandments pre-warned us all, to take the word of MAN as the teachings of GOD is to take the Lord's name in vain.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 10:34 pm ET

To everyone on here-

I think you need to do some research and gather some real insight.

"biblical teachings" are the teachings of MAN.

ONLY the 10 Commandments are the words of our Lord.


Emile Walker   April 24th, 2010 10:58 pm ET

Last night I happened to have caught the show where Christian pop singer Jennifer Knapp was there discussing her being a Christian and being a lesbian. I wanted to scream at the TV, not because of her confused state, but because Larry's guests, Pastor Bob Botsford and Rev. Ted Haggard were doing such a poor job of biblically explaining what Jennifer was dealing with. Larry couldn't know. These were his guests and as far as he knew...experts in Christianity. I might suggest that the next time he has such a controversial topic as this, he calls upon Jimmy Swaggart. Although forgotten by the media after his scandal many years ago, Jimmy Swaggart is today preaching a message of victory, using his own life as an example. I don't go to Jimmy Swaggart's church or have any other bias other than I've heard him best explain from the bible, the cross-based victory every Christian believer can have in overcoming anything. If homosexuality is a sin, and Jesus died for ALL sin (past, present, future), then the one who overcome the grave with all power is most certainly capable of overcoming any sin; otherwise His death was in vain.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 11:10 pm ET

What is a Christian? One who cannot put aside their biases and accept that, which they cannot understand, and refuse to accept that, which is tangible and can be understood, if told their unknown is not accepting of it.

What is a Christian? One who, because of fear, puts all their faith in the the unknown and a fantasized afterlife, and is in fear to accept those they live amongst during their life, because of differences in race, color, and creeds?

What is a Christian? One who is in fear of his death and puts his faith in that, which he cannot explain and was explained for them thousands of years before a valid explanation could be ascertained?

What is a Christian? One who puts his faith in the hands of self-anointed and self-appointed leaders in organizations that just purport an eternal life and take their remunerations for their hard labor, and in return gives them lip service and, at times, whose hands and appendages abuse their offspring.

What is a Christian? One who was born non-denominational and was selected and indoctrinated to become so anally retentive of his death, they forget how to live by the time they complete their potty training.

What is a Christian? One who joins the army of 'ONE' and fights for a purported 'peace on Earth' and fornicates for their virginity.

What is a Christian? One who enters a building full of idols and icons once a week to hear words that are tempered with eternal damnation, pays a sum of money to hear it, exits hearing "peace be with you", and as they are leaving, steps over the homeless and hungry, to go home and raise hell and abuse their own families.

What is a Christian? Before birth they were the same as a Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, Moslem, Atheist, Agnostic or any of 19 other major religions, over 219 other religions, and over 35,000 other Christian organizations....They are Homo sapiens before they were anything else, and may even be homosexuals...but none put sex in their Heaven..The one common denominator they all have in common, regardless of faith, they are all HIPPOCRITES in need of HIPPOCRATES' modern morphologies and new modems, so they can keep up with these blogs.


pegasian   April 24th, 2010 11:29 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8-

I am a christian and gay? I am proud of both and see them both as a gift of God's love. Are you describing me?

If you clump either in to a pre-labled category, you are just admitting defeat before taking on the battle?

I go to the 10 Commandments for my true directions and look out for signs from the Lord. He has clarified for me that Gay is part of his plan and condemming it was never his message.

A true christian approaches all God's children with nothing but Love.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 24th, 2010 11:42 pm ET

@pegasian

You must carefully read between the lines and find all are within the boundaries of a human race...a silly human race! Trust, I have no ill will toward any who are part of it, unless they violate those Ten, or twenty, or however many there are that violate the sanctity of human life...We have only one life and we should live it as best we can, for as long as we want. Beyond it I just see dust....and short memories...


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 24th, 2010 11:52 pm ET

You can't say you are Christian and then disregard the fundamental teachings that are written down in the bible.........the so-called "WORD OF GOD".........or the "INSPIRED WORD OF GOD"........... written through chosen men. God's word lives. The Bible stands the test of time.

In the last book and chapter (New International Version)........Revelation Chapter 22.......under the headings........"THE RIVER OF LIFE" and "JESUS IS COMING".........The whole of this chapter is a good one to read.

I have picked out these in particular –

Verse 7 – "Behold, I am coming soon! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy in this book. "

Verse 10 – "Then he told me, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, because the time is near."

Verse 11 – "Let him who does wrong continue to do wrong; let him who is vile continue to be vile; let him who does right continue to do right; and let him wo is holy continue to be holy."

Verse 15 – "Outside are the dogs, those who practice magic arts, the sexually immoral, the murderers, the idolaters and everyone who loves and practices FALSEHOOD."

Verse 18 – "I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: If anyone ADDS ANYTHING TO THEM, God will add to him the PLAGUES DESCRIBED IN THIS BOOK."

Verse 19 – "And if anyone takes words away from this book of prophecy, God will take away from him his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book."


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 12:03 am ET

I define a Christian basically as someone who believes in God (The Creator) and Jesus Christ as his Son and who try to follow in his footsteps.

Also a Christian is one that lives by faith in the written and inspired word of God – "The Holy Bible".

To me, this is what sums up a Christian.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 12:17 am ET

@Jessie from Auckland, NZ

Beware of "inspired by god" as justification. That was how the terrorist justified 9/11.

The 10 Commandments are the word of God and are his only true message.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 12:17 am ET

There is APOSTASY in all religions. Truth needs to be searched out. We are in a continual search for the truth. Good luck to all in their individual search for the truths. God help us!


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 12:20 am ET

Repost....lost part now I am found...

What is a Christian? One who cannot put aside their biases and accept that, which they cannot understand, and refuse to accept that, which is tangible and can be understood, if told their unknown is not accepting of it.

What is a Christian? One who, because of fear, puts all their faith in the the unknown and a fantasized afterlife, and is in fear to accept those they live amongst during their life, because of differences in race, color, creeds, orientations beyond the norm, or disabilities.

What is a Christian? One who is in fear of his death and puts his faith in that, which he cannot explain and was explained for them thousands of years before a valid explanation could be ascertained?

What is a Christian? One who puts his faith in the hands of self-anointed and self-appointed leaders in organizations that just purport an eternal life and take their remunerations for their hard labor, and in return gives them lip service and, at times, whose hands and appendages abuse their offspring.

What is a Christian? One who was born non-denominational and was selected and indoctrinated to become so anally retentive of his death, they forget how to live by the time they complete their potty training.

What is a Christian? One who joins the army of 'ONE' and fights for a purported 'peace on Earth' and fornicates for their virginity.

What is a Christian? One who enters a building full of idols and icons once a week to hear words that are tempered with eternal damnation, pays a sum of money to hear it, exits hearing "peace be with you", and as they are leaving, steps over the homeless and hungry, to go home and raise hell and abuse their own families.

What is a Christian? Before birth they were the same as a Hindu, Buddhist, Jew, Moslem, Atheist, Agnostic or any of 19 other major religions, over 219 other religions, and over 35,000 other Christian organizations....They are Homo sapiens before they were anything else, and may even be homosexuals...but none put sex in their Heaven..The one common denominator they all have in common, regardless of faith, they are all HIPPOCRITES in need of HIPPOCRATES' modern morphologies and new modems, so they can keep up with these blogs.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 12:23 am ET

@pegasian

This may clarify what was left out..take no offense...


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 12:26 am ET

@pegasian April 25th, 2010 12:17 am ET

My post @ 12:17 am can probably answer this. Also, do you not know that the original 10 commandments was changed by the Roman Church (The Catholic Church). They changed the original Sabbath Day which was Saturday to Sunday, which is still in practice to this day. Only the Seventh Day Adventist church keep to Saturday worship, that I know of.

I think the Jews also keep the Sabbath (Saturday).


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 12:34 am ET

@Jessie_

Your last post answers nothing. You are quoting the bible which is the word of MAN and not the true word of GOD.

I find it ironic, do you know that your last post was number 666 on this blog? It is just a funny coincidence.

You want a true relationship with God. Close the book and commit to real reflection. Ask him, with faith, to send you true signs and open your mind enough to see them.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 12:36 am ET

@pegasian April 25th, 2010 12:17 am ET

Also, those terrorists of 9/11 I would describe as FANATACALS! Extremists! Brainwashed! Mislead! Still in the dark!..........

You can say......... Father forgive them, for they know not what they do!


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 12:38 am ET

Jessie-

I apologize that i mixed up your post times. I see that you mind is reasonably open. However, I wish you could talk to me about YOUR FEELINGS about God and not those in a Man written book.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 12:42 am ET

@Jessie_

You said:

April 25th, 2010 12:36 am ET

Also, those terrorists of 9/11 I would describe as FANATACALS! Extremists! Brainwashed! Mislead! Still in the dark!..........

You can say......... Father forgive them, for they know not what they do!

I say the same things about christians who say that God says that being gay is a sin. "They know not what they do" because that is the directive of MAN and NOT the commandment of GOD.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 12:48 am ET

@pegasian April 25th, 2010 12:34 am ET

Do you actually study the Bible or have studied the Bible. I have to a certain extent with different religions. I take it that you do not accept the Bible as the inspired word of God, written through men he has chosen. If you don't get this.........you will never get it I'm afraid........and go on believing what you believe okay........end of story.

Goodness me, how did you come to count my post to that number 666. I don't normally take notice of the counting. I think that is telling you something, I think it is more than a coincidence. Take heed!

You are the one that needs to open your mind friend, I'm afraid. Even Jesus said..........those who are blind and cannot see, those who hear but do not listen. Need to find the exact scriptures.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 12:50 am ET

@Jesse-

Wouldn't you say that a christian group picketing a US soldier's funeral as a anti-gay protest ( in the name of their god) to be a fanatic? Extremist? Brainwashed? Mislead? In the dark?

They are following the word of man corrupting the message of the Lord.

All christian groups should be condemning them for taking the Lord's name in vain and be learning from it.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 12:54 am ET

Jesse-

Why can I (and others) not be inspired by God to offer a correction to the lost souls of this time?

btw, I just happened to see the 666 and then there was your post...I found it funny.

IF it was my post EVERYONE here would be screaming it as a SIGN!


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 1:05 am ET

@ pegasian April 25th, 2010 12:38 am ET

I don't want to judge gays. I don't like it and I don't want to preach fire and brimstone to anybody. But the Bible is like a guide to humans and I don't think we can ignore it. In other words we are kind of lost without it, if you get what I mean.

We all have to stand before our Maker in the end and answer to him. We are all not perfect by the way too. I rest my case now, I don't think I can say anymore on this. Everyone has to work out what is right and wrong to them. You can argue it to kingdom come.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 1:16 am ET

Jessie-

But by allowing your church to promote denying Gay Rights you are judging and condemning them.

Furthermore, you are aiding an attack on religious freedom in this country.

There are churches that do not see gay as a sin in the eyes of the Lord.

Why do churches feel free to force their doctrine on everyone outside their doors? This is the definition of religious intolerance.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 1:20 am ET

@pegasian April 25th, 2010 12:54 am ET

That has scared me now that number. Maybe I'm the devil now for judging??????

I'm trying not to judge here, but to point out. If you don't want to believe, that is your perogative I guess.

Another thing, Christians shouldn't be bible-bashing, so forgive me if you feel that I am doing this here.

I love gays regardless, my own nephew is one, and another funny thing (not haha too) is that I can talk like this on here, but I don't think I can preach it to his face. Unless, I think, the opportunity presented itself. I don't know.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 2:22 am ET

jesse-

for some reason the posts have gone from 669 down to 660. Someone must be editing out the offensive stuff.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 2:41 am ET

@pegasian

It was divine intervention...to save Jessie...Smile Jessie you have been granted your salvation!


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 2:51 am ET

@pegasian April 25th, 2010 1:16 am ET

By the way, I am not a member of any church at the moment. The last church I had some Bible studying with was the Jehovah's Witnesses, another one was with the Seventh Day Adventists.

As you know, there are quite a number of different churches around now and they all seem to have their different ways of teaching. So I cannot speak for them, I'm afraid. Then there are the New Age type of churches and I don't know what they preach too.

Those churches that speak out against homosexuality are the ones that uphold the Bible.

Sorry, I just read your post.........

QUOTE – (@ April 25th, 2010 12:50 am ET

@Jesse-

Wouldn't you say that a christian group picketing a US soldier's funeral as a anti-gay protest ( in the name of their god) to be a fanatic? Extremist? Brainwashed? Mislead? In the dark?

They are following the word of man corrupting the message of the Lord.

All christian groups should be condemning them for taking the Lord's name in vain and be learning from it.")

MY ANSWER TO THIS –

I am sorry to hear of this and yes, I would term these "so-called" Christians as Fanatics, etc., etc., I think. I suppose they are taking it to the extreme. True Christians shouldn't carry on like that. There are ways to conduct oneself. These types are giving a bad name and the same goes for all the other extremists in whatever religion.

Admittedly, gays are more accepted today than they used to be, I think. But I think, you can only push it so far, I don't know.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 2:57 am ET

@Cajazz76:24:8 April 25th, 2010 2:41 am ET

@pegasian

It was divine intervention...to save Jessie...Smile Jessie you have been granted your salvation!
__________________________

Yes Cajazz, maybe the shoe is on the other foot here and I am the condemned one instead. Maybe salvation is supposed to be free and we can do whatever we can?????????The mind boggles.......


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 3:00 am ET

@pegasian April 25th, 2010 2:22 am ET

jesse-

for some reason the posts have gone from 669 down to 660. Someone must be editing out the offensive stuff.
___________________________

As long as they don't take it back to 666 (the Devil's number), as I will fear for that person, like me.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 3:15 am ET

@Jessie

Onus is on me...666 is this blog...you owe me your soul..I'll make sure it is treated with kindness....and granted eternal salvation...


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 4:26 am ET

Were all saved back to 660..I am starting to like this moderator..She seems to have a cool hand tonight...


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 4:58 am ET

Cajazz – thank you for your reassurance, just when I needed it with that 666 hanging over me.

Did we scare pegasian off I wonder. Given up in disgust maybe.

Yeah, you could be the moderator. Lol.


Chris   April 25th, 2010 5:26 am ET

As a Christian, I believe the Bible clearly states that homosexuality is a sin (amongst many). There have been many comments on this page that refer to Christ dying to forgive sins, what seems to have been missed (deliberately during the interview) is that you need to repent of your sins and accept forgiveness for this to be applicable. It was clear to me that Jennifer does not have any conviction of sin and certainly no repentance. When given the opportunity by Larry (several times) to declare herself to be a Christian, Jennifer continually referred to herself as a 'person of faith'. I conclude that Jennifer is not a Christian, so why does she want to have communion with Christians? Oh of course, Christians buy her Christian music.

The sad thing for Christians in America (I'm not American) is that your country is well and truly on the road to destruction (spiritual, financial etc). It seems that the Lord is removing his Grace from you and leaving you to your sins, like many favoured nations over the years. The mantle has now passed to others, maybe Asia.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 5:44 am ET

Jose Dalmau April 23rd, 2010 9:04 pm ET

CAN YOU BE CHRISTIAN AND HAVE A LOVE AFFAIR WITH SOMEONE WHO IS NOT YOUR HUSBAND OR WIFE? THAT IS PROHIBITED IN THE TEN COMMANDMENTS,,, NO?
________________________________

Good question this. Going by the holy scriptures, where it says if a person does this, they are committing adultery, which is a sin. I take it that a true Christian would know this and refrain from it.

Yes, but the big question is.......can they still remain a Christian I suppose. Are you condemned the first time you do this, or if a repeat offender, how many times will God forgive you.

I think, if you know what you are doing is wrong and you keep on doing it there might be no more forgiveness maybe.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 5:58 am ET

@pegasian April 25th, 2010 12:38 am ET

Jessie-

I apologize that i mixed up your post times. I see that you mind is reasonably open. However, I wish you could talk to me about YOUR FEELINGS about God and not those in a Man written book.
___________________________

Pray tell me, how else are we to know God, but through The Holy Bible. What God do you believe in, if you believe in a God.

There is a choice of many Gods I suppose. In the olden times they worshipped all sorts of Gods, eg. Sun God (Paganism). They had their myths and legends centred around Gods.

But to me, there is only one true God and the only way we know or should I say........I know him........is through the holy scriptures.......The Bible. I can't just pluck it out of thin air or go by myths and legends, or make it up.

I have faith in the Bible's word and that alone. I walk by faith.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 6:38 am ET

@Daniel April 23rd, 2010 9:27 pm ET

How does the Pastor know he is in the right to truly cast that first stone?

@Smith in Oregon April 23rd, 2010 9:27 pm ET

So the Christian pastor CNN Guest is employing the old Christian chestnut that 'Christianity' invented and has a copy write on marriage and what that is defined as, and how it is to be done under that social contract.

WRONG! Christianity did not invent Marriage, NOR does Christianity have a copy write on marriage. It is entirely crass, callous and a greedy bid by the money changers whom Jesus himself strongly disliked for the institution that high jacked his name to use Marriage as their supreme money maker and foundation of their belief.
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This below, I have taken from a Jehovah's Witnesses' booklet called "REASONING FROM THE SCRIPTURES".............

"Marriage –

Definition: The union of a man and a woman to live together as husband and wife according to the standard set out in the Holy Scriptures. Marriage is a divine institution. It provides for intimate relationship between husband and wife along with a feeling of security because there is a climate of love and because a personal commitment has been made by each mate.

When establishing marriage, Jehovah did so not only to provide a close companion who would be complement of man but also to make provision for producing more humans and doing so within a family arrangement. Legally registering a marriage relationship that is acceptable to the Christian congregation is required wherever possible.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 6:58 am ET

@ All

Taken from the Holy Scriptures –

Hebrews Chapter 13 Verse 4:

"Let marriage be honorable among all, and the marriage bed be without defilement, for God will judge fornicators and adulterers."

(Getting legally married plays an important part in having a marriage that is accepted as being "honorable." When defining "fornication" and "adultery", we should keep in mind what is stated at Titus 3:1, quoted above.)

Also see Genesis 2:22-24, Genesis 1:28.


cork young   April 25th, 2010 7:32 am ET

this will be the last time i will watch tour show and i will tell everyone i know about your stand on homosexuality, maybe because you are, sounds like you don't believe in the Holy Bible, how do i know,just listen how you attacked the pastor.if you don't change your ways you will see jennifer in Hell. if you don't agree, try reading the word of God and you will learn the truth


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 25th, 2010 7:35 am ET

@pegasian

The posts between you and Aaron have been quite interesting to say the least. Very good discussions going back and forth, and I am thankful for these blogs that we can do this. Air it out there for open discussion, as we can all learn from one another.

What I want to ask you, is you are going on about Gay Rights.........are you able to state what these are.........as I am a bit in the dark about this and would like to know if these are based around human rights. Thank you.


Joseph-St-Francis   April 25th, 2010 8:50 am ET

It is ridiculous that the majority of these blogs are voiced by religious fundamentalists made-up of either Protestant evangelicals, or unorthodox pseudo-Christian sects, like Seven-Day Adventists and Jehovah’s Witnesses. According to experts in the field of new religious movements they all come from the same stock. Therefore, the main contexts in these blogs don’t really have any substance to them, but are the bickering rants of Fundamentalists feeding off each others ignorance.

As I mentioned above (See: April 24th, 2010 8:00 am ET), we need some real clerical scholarship to shed some light on this matter. And I would hope the staff and folks at Larry King Live would seriously consider airing some serious biblical scholarship to discuss the topic of homosexuality and the Holy Scriptures in the future.

Its interesting how Jennifer Knapp assumed Bob Botsford was an authoritative person on the subject of homosexuality and biblical scholarship, which if I heard correctly he sheepishly shied away from her claim. Bob Botsford might be a pastor; however, it doesn’t mean he’s a biblical scholar on the subject. Therefore, we have three Evangelicals, one pop-star lesbian, and two pastors, one in no-doubt denial of his sexual orientation quarrelling about something authoritative scholars should be properly assessing.

For all the religious Fundamentalists on this blog who think they are their own biblical authorities on the subject know that the terms “sodomy,” “sodomite,” and “homosexuality” are not biblical words found in neither Hebrew, or Greek manuscripts of the Bible, but have been added to certain translations. Please realize the 1946 Revised Standard Version (RSV) New Testament was the first translation to use the word homosexual. Whereas, the mistranslated word “sodomite” has been replaced with the correct term to read “shrine prostitute” in modern translations. Compare practically any modern day translation with the 1611 King James version and this becomes evidently clear (See: Deuteronomy 23:17; 1 Kings 14:24, 15:12; 22:46 and 2 Kings 23:7). In fact, the term mistranslated to read “sodomite” in the King James version derives from the Hebrew word Qadesh—literally translated “holy one.” Referring to the pagan priests and priestesses who offered religious prostitution as service for the gods. It is the same Hebrew word we get the English phrase “The HOLY ONE of Israel”—referring to God in the Old Testament.

In light of this understanding I challenge these religious Fundamentalists who claim to know their Bibles to “rightly divide the word of truth” (II Timothy 2:15), and do a proper systematic study of what the Bible supposedly says about homosexuality. They’ll soon find out it is idolatry done in the form of religious prostitution the Scriptures denounce, not homosexuality. For an example, you can’t take I Corinthians 6:9 out of its proper context without taking into account the fact that prostitution is not only being addressed in that same passage, but also in verses 15, and 16. As some modern translations for I Cor. 6:9 read “male prostitutes,” and older ones read “whoremongers.” This is true when the Bible is studied in its entire context, for it is paganism, idolatry, and religious prostitution it is addressing, not a sexual orientation such as being gay.

Modern scholarship admits the Greek word at I Cor. 6:9 mistranslated “homosexual” refers to boy prostitutes who where used by the men who paid for the trafficking of prostitution. In modern times a whoremonger is the one who pimps out the prostitute. To say a passage like this condemns homosexuality is as ludicrous as saying it condemns heterosexuality, simply because the trafficking of prostitution is being done between a male and a female.

The truth on this matter is—you can certainly be gay and a Christian, but you definitely can’t be gay and a religious Fundamentalist.


Rosa   April 25th, 2010 10:05 am ET

It's one thing to judge and an entirely another thing to use discernment. IF one calls themselves Christian, there is only one book written with authority, none other qualifies...not what we WANT to hear/read. This is not a grey area or open to interpretation. Gods word is very clear that living a gay life is wrong but He'll help anyone give it up if they make the choice to do so. If my doctor reads my MRI one way and anther doctor another way, which way is right? I want TRUTH no matter what so I can make the right choice. I was living a very wild life for a few years and if I was going to please the Lord I had to be willing to give up the sin I was living in whether I felt like it or not. God gives us strength and wisdom beyond imagination to live a life pleasing to Him with peace and joy words don't describe. I'm with pastor Bob all the way. The other one on simulcast is way to wishy-washy, I want truth. God loves all but He commands us to turn from our sin to follow Him, not call sin right to suit ourselves.


Joseph-St-Francis   April 25th, 2010 10:42 am ET

It is true what Smith in Oregon states: “Christianity did not invent marriage.” However the Church made it a sacrament, whereby orthodox Christianity has painted beautiful allegories as spiritual truths taken from Scripture, which is referred to one of the many mysteries of the faith.

I find it interesting as a gay male and convert to Catholicism that the some of the biggest percentage of divorce is not amongst non-Christians, but amongst certain Christian denominations. The highest, which is over 50 percent, is amongst Evangelical Protestant denominations alone. Why is this? Is it because they do not believe marriage is a sacrament as Catholics do?

The funny thing is, Jesus does not mention homosexuality not even once in any of the Gospels, but clearly denounces divorce, as the sin of adultery. It’s ironic that divorce is over looked by the very same people who condemn homosexuals who want to be in monogamous loving same-sex partnerships. Why is this? Is it because they refuse to see the plank in their own eye (Matthew 7:2)?

As a gay Catholic who believes in the sacrament of marriage, I believe it should be rightly between a man and a woman. But for goodness sakes, why deny anyone the right to love one another in a loving same-sex partnership. We don’t have to call it marriage. Call it sacred unions if you will. To deny two consulting adults a loving monogamous relationship is only to promote casual sex, and promiscuousness, is it not? Is it not faith, hope, and love that is to abide, but the greatest of these is it not love (1 Corinthians 13:13)?


Ted   April 25th, 2010 11:31 am ET

Now, this is what I call a heated discussion, thanks for all who used their gray matter between their ears that was created to think and not to stuff your head.

You may not know it, but homosexuality is also present in the fauna world. Are those animals also commiting a sin by following their instinct?
We humans come from the same place, we just came much further than other fellow beings.
We all started with a one cell creature, whoever was responsible for it.
God certainly did not create us in our present form.

Jennifer, we have something in common, we both like women.


gerald Jolly   April 25th, 2010 11:55 am ET

After all that's said and done, I think Jennifer has the right attitude about her sexuality.

In her own words, when asked what her favorite saying is, she said, my favorite saying is.

"LICKY THE SPLIT"


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 12:04 pm ET

gerald Jolly

Trying to disguise yourself...small G.. So glad to see that you cont-sent that it is all good in the end...Semper Fi...and Cherry Pie..


JSG   April 25th, 2010 12:04 pm ET

Larry, I wish you had included Mel White in the interview, the leader of the Metropolitan Community Church– a church of predominantly made up of GLBT believers, (but of course open to ALL people). Mel has authored two books, Stranger at the Gate: To Be Gay and Christian in America, and Religion Gone Bad: The Hidden Dangers of the Christian Right.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 12:36 pm ET

@Ted

Top of the morning to you...and the rest of the day to all who have enjoyed
the freedoms we still have..the best is always the First...Amendment...
Ted, I always count on your vast knowledge coupled with your sense of humor. My question of the day is...Why hasn't former Evangelist Roberts passed on to his at least one of his heirs his well known first name? I cannot find anyone with that first name, how unique he was having it..


Joseph-St-Francis   April 25th, 2010 12:37 pm ET

Jessie from Auckland you mention that you are not a member of any church, but do promote the teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses (JW’s), and the Seventh Day Adventists (SDA’s).

Not only am I a gay Christian who has converted to Catholicism, I was raised as a Jehovah’s Witness. Do you know that JW’s and the SDA’s have their origins in the doomsday Millerism fundamentalist movement in the 1800’s, and are all considered non-orthodox in their beliefs and practices?

Both JW’s and SDA’s are classified by sociologists as new religious movements (NRM’s), and by what is considered as an authentic orthodox Christian worldview, as heretical pseudo-Christian cults, which have deviated from mainline Christianity.

You can belief what you want to believe that’s your own choice, however when you make a false allegation presuming “churches that speak out against homosexuality are the ones that uphold the Bible,” it only reveals how much of an un-educated statement you base your assumptions on.

For a person you likes to quote JW’s publications you don’t seem to know the Watchtower’s (aka JW’s publishers) version of the Bible is not considered a legit version of the Bible by anyone in the scholarly world. In fact the Watchtowers (WT) New World Translation of the Holy Scriptures do not have any biblical scholars whatsoever who took part in its translation. It’s considered by scholars to be more of a perversion of the Scriptures than rather a sound translation. The Watchtowers teachings of Jehovah’s Witnesses is as reliable as they are in predicting the end of the world, which they have falsely prophesied since their existence in the late 19th century.

Like I’ve said before, it is religious Fundamentalism of this kind, and groups like them who are characterized by a departure from accepted beliefs or standards of authentic Christianity who are the first to speak out against something they don’t nearly even come close to understanding. Why is it that they are in most cases the biggest Bible thumpers going?


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 1:10 pm ET

Joseph St. Francis

Enjoy your blogs immensely... You seem to have a vast knowledge in all the phantasmal disciplines and their associated acronyms..I understand many, for linguistic sakes, belong to the Antiquated Society Of Lip Service, have you ever heard of its acronym? Take care and I'll be always looking forward, due to my visionary disability in hindsight, to your blogs.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 1:33 pm ET

Joseph St. Francis

I found out the organization had changed its name recently to a new and improved one. It is now the Antiquated Single Society Of Unified Lip Services......


gerald Jolly   April 25th, 2010 2:28 pm ET

@ Cajazz,

Actually I did not change how I use a capitol letter for my first initial, but I was deleted so many times and the next time I blogged, there it was..

I hope life is treating you well my friend.

Anyways, "WHAT'S IN A NAME"

Semper Fi

By the way I have finally finished my latest book, five years of research and I hope it does well, not about the financial gain, but more aboiut, that it's something that I wish a lot of people would read and then they might get a better understanding about who and the real threat to our security and safety.

Look for it soon "I HOPE"

Chameleon.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 3:13 pm ET

@Jessie_

You said:

Pray tell me, how else are we to know God, but through The Holy Bible. What God do you believe in, if you believe in a God.

To really know God you look for his signs and his messages in your daily life and not in a book written by MAN that is in many ways lost and outdated. you said it is a "inspired work"

I do think that is somewhat true....BUT sometimes the inspiration of man becomes tainted, outdated and can just get it wrong. You must use the 10 Commandments to interpret the bible to be wary of the influence of man or you are using God's name in vanity for an agenda.

You want to know what Gay Rights are?

Think of a line inspired by the bible

All Men (Woman) are created EQUAL.

There are no "special" rights for God's creatures"'....God has stated we are all his children and it is in defiance of his laws to not treat us all the same.

You (general you) are a backward man, with your intellect living in the time of the bible if you do not realize God has sent signs that Gay is part of his plan.

To deny these signs is a commandment sin...using God's name in vanity for your own agenda.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 3:36 pm ET

Jessie from Auckland NZ

Jessie, after I sacrificed my own salvation for you, it is quite apparent your looking for a date with old Beezlebub. You put the onus back on yourself and unless the gift of moderation is granted unto to you, it may remain a darkened shadow on your sole...Of your shoe, that is..


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 3:36 pm ET

@ Jessie-

Here is a BIG COMMANDMENT SIN applied to Gay Rights:

In some backward states people using the bible as the convoluted message of God think that is better that a child wastes away in the system rather then be adopted by a loving gay couple (which statistically have the lowest chance of being abusers)

This is taking God's name in vain/vanity, Using it for an agenda and orphans are the victims of this sin. A loving home is a blessing for a child but man's agenda is getting in the way often. This is a sin against God and these children.

HEAR THAT FLA SINNERS!


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 4:02 pm ET

@Cajazz_

I actually appreciate you and get a kick out of you. Thank you for saving Jessie from the infamous number.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 4:14 pm ET

I also find it funny/sad that we have this habit of casting God in the role of a puritan spinster offended by sex. I see God as being beyond sex. We agree he most likely does not have genitalia?

The sin is not the sexual act but the trivialization or abuse of another human being.

God wanted us to LOVE one and other. A hook-up/ONS is a sin. Junk Food Sex offends God because it wastes the gift he gave us.

@Jesse_

The definition of Adultery needs to be updated. At the (chauvinistic) time of the bible it was mostly applied to a woman because she was the possession of the husband. therefore, sleeping with another man's husband was equal to stealing his prized cow.

What the commandment is really about is that it is a sin to not respect a true loving bond between a couple or created within a family. To not recognize another's true love as the gift and glory of God is a sin. This can easily be applied to gay rights/marriage.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 4:18 pm ET

@pegasian

The feeling is mutual.. I truly hope and can see that the attitudes toward
acceptance will continue to progress and one day biases will become the scarlet letter attached to those who deem themselves the self righteous spokespersons for the masses. My best toward you and all who feel displaced in a society that not be so closed minded.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 4:27 pm ET

@pegasian

Here are a few statistics from the top of my cranium that may either comfort or amuse you. There are 2.2% Jewish members of their faith in the U.S. over 31% of all in the world. There are between 3-8% citizens of this country that are gay. Without bias toward either, I wonder why there is such a large disparity of the rights that should denied to either..Guess the answer is obvious..BIAS..the acceptable four-letter word to so many..


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 4:30 pm ET

@pegsian

correction..2.2% of all U.S. citizens are Jewish..approx. 76% are Christian..


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 4:34 pm ET

@pegasian........another correction..sorry..could be the Oltimer's Disease kicking in.....

rights that should NOT denied to either.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 4:36 pm ET

Cajazz-

You should update your statistics. It is 8% of the population that openly identifies themselves as gay. However, scientists believe that the actual statistic is between 12-20%. One of the rules of natural selection (God's plan) as population density increases so does the percentage of homosexuality. It also increases when population density drops drastically. The only way to stabilize the percentage would be to stabilize population growth. But obviously it will always exist one way or another in nature. Do you think christian groups would support planned parenthood as a gay preventive?

Gay is part of nature's laws...then it is obviously part of God's plan.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 4:40 pm ET

Jessie from Auckland NZ

Since your in the Southern Hemisphere does water run uphill and the blood rush to your feet? Do you have to stand on your head to keep from passing out or is there a physiological reapportionment in the human condition made to compensate for that?


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 4:43 pm ET

@pegasian

Oltimer's Disease is not kind to anyone...I'll have to write in down on my 'palm' pilot to remember it.. Thank you for the update..


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 4:55 pm ET

@pegasian

Unless Christian groups suddenly "withdraw' their male member's from the depth's of their isolation and gain insight into acceptance, the opportunity for all to have equal footing in society will remain, unfortunately in jeopardy.. A sad of affair's, at the least, for all..


MattN   April 25th, 2010 4:59 pm ET

Hi Jennifer,
Kudos for bravely standing for who you are. You are who you are because God created you to be the great human being you've turned out to be. If anyone refuses to accept the truth about you, then it is their loss.

Come on over to Chattanooga, TN, and we'll give your "new" career a big, well deserved boost. Keep your head up.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 5:05 pm ET

@Cajazz-

I also have problems with how the bible is used as a weapon against women.. We all agree that the views against slavery are wrong (hopefully). But women are often referred to as goods or chattel in it. Unless we isolate this and other aspects of the bible as the crappy interpretations of chauvinistic, scared and prejudice MAN in antiquity, it will always have an adverse effect on society. I am not saying burn the bibles but just to approach them in honesty as a outdated interpretation and not as fact. The only true word of God is the commandments....all else is the work of MAN.

Man can also be inspired to make mistakes ...to not admit this is vanity and hubris and that is a commandment sin.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 5:05 pm ET

@pegasian

Where the men lead, most often, the women will follow. The anti-gay attitude is seated most deeply in the mind of the weaker sex..man... I hope that clarifies my answer to your question..


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 5:10 pm ET

@pegasian

The 'pride' of man should have been eaten long ago by the lion's of deceit and false bravado..


Smith in Oregon   April 25th, 2010 5:16 pm ET

Wow, bible thumpers suddenly learning and realizing their toe tapping, bully pulpit shaking Jesus music is being sung by a Lesbian and Larry King Live Blog receives over 700 bible chomping verse quoting comments!

Despite the burn the witch and stone her comments, bible quotes and screams, I think Jennifer Knapp is perfectly happy with herself and her musical ability. Keep pouring out the gospel and Jesus music Jennifer, there'll always be customers out there buying it.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 5:19 pm ET

I have pity for these people who hold so strongly on to the bible in fear of losing their faith. However, for many it has become the "other god" before the true God. It is the word of MAN. God foresaw and warned of this in the 10 commandments for a reason. It has become the idolization of the interpretations of the word by MAN and not the true word of our Lord.

To truly have faith you must make the world your gospel and use the commandments as you sole guide. You truly need no more.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 5:21 pm ET

@pegasian

I don't care to expand on this subject, but I have witnessed casualties in combat call out to their mothers in their last minutes of life. Women have always been, and still are, seen as merely objects in man's perceived world of domination..Yet, in man final moments on this Earth he pleads to a women or his God to grant him his serenity and a peaceful end to his existence. Which one, if possible, would attend to his last act in his desperation to find tranquility?


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 5:25 pm ET

@pegasian

How many constituents who engross themselves in man's bible actually know of how it really was organized, 'bastardized' into print?


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 5:29 pm ET

@pegasian

You'll see the term 'silly human race' from time to time in my blogs. It is used to rattle the cages of the sublime.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 5:34 pm ET

My revelation about the bible came about when I read about the history of its translations. Things have been heavily edited (in & out) to serve the leaders of different times. It is tainted with Man's spin and should primarily be seen as a antiquated book and an outdated document of faith.

I do not think it should be burned but I think it should be put aside because it is not the true message of God.

My faith became stronger at this revelation because I was no longer lost in the confusion of the contradictory words of Man.

I hold the commandments strong in my heart and they empower me.

They speak strongly to both the believer and non-believer. That is part of their true glory and beauty.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 5:47 pm ET

@pegasian

The Council of Laodicea in 363 A.D and the Council of Hippo in 393 A.D. However, it wasn't until the Council of Carthage that we finally have an agreement and the "first" compiled bible. Of course there are 35,000 separate Christian organizations that will substitute their own facts and deliverances on the first compilation.


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pegasian   April 25th, 2010 5:56 pm ET

@cajazz

I think bibles should be distributed with Surgeon General warnings on their sides.

"Taking this text too intensely can have adverse effects on your mental health"

It is truly being used as a drug for the masses. It is keeping them subservient in confusion.

Preachers have become the dealers of this drug solely because it serves them and their agenda. This is a Sin.

This is why so many lose faith and have to go into a type of "rehab."

The true word of God is in nature and the commandments.

However, churches do not want their followers to become self empowered by this because it would effect their profits.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 6:02 pm ET

@Prof Dawson-

It is not God's message that will lead to ARMAGEDDON. It is the misuse of God's message. This has been repeatedly spoken to throughout history. unfortunately, This is the path that these preachers are leading us down in their sin in taking God's words in vain.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 6:03 pm ET

@pegasian

The Qu' ran is actually a far less adulteration of compiled information than the Bible. One reason that is most prominent is the fact it is not written in another language, other than Arabic. Now how those of the Moslem faiths, whose primary language is not Arabic, can decipher its content is left to a multitude of interpretations. There are books that have interpreted its content in other languages, but not distributed as the Qu' ran perse.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 6:09 pm ET

@pegasian

All members of the Armed Forces are offered a small version of Gideon's Bible. I have been know to roll a few three fingered verses that made me rather giddy.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 6:10 pm ET

btw, I kind of miss Jessie ans Sharrie. I appreciated their passion while still having inquisitive open minds.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 6:14 pm ET

@pegasian

I am sure the Surgeon General would have been appalled by my actions, which were rather common at the time.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 6:20 pm ET

It about 1 or 2 am in Jessie's neck of the woods and Sharrie is still probably sitting within the four walls of her salvation. They are both very compassionate in their beliefs and I admire them for it. They do not appear to waver in the winds of controversy on these blogs. How can one not admire them for that? I am an ardent believer in the First Amendment...the entire concept.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 6:32 pm ET

@Cajazz/Sharrie/Jessie

I only get upset/offended on here when people act like I do not believe in God or am not strong in my belief or faith.

If anyone reviews my posts, I am obviously very strong in my belief that there is a God and my faith is mighty or I would not be willing to fight for my beliefs. True faith is within you and not handed to you with someone else's interpretation.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 6:41 pm ET

The sad thing is that many people become Athiests not so much because they do not believe in God (or that there is something more)...they lose faith because they do not believe in the God that is handed them.

To increase faith you must simplify the core process. Emphasis on the commandments and qualification (and de-emphasis) of the Man written scriptures is the key.

God and Jesus never said being Gay was a sin or made horrible statements applied to women and slavery. These are all the scriptures of MAN.

You want a strong following of faith? Build it on the commandments and open your doors to all God's creations and see his beauty in all of them. See everyone as part of his plan and support and defend them.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 7:07 pm ET

I pray for all those that do not see the truth that "homosexuality is a sin" is only the words of scared and insecure MAN and not the words of our Lord.

I wish women of faith would lead the way out of this confusion. The outdated sexism and chauvinism of the bible had (and still does) suppressed women. Like supporting slavery, all of these scriptures of MAN's bigotry should be left in the times they were written.

Women tend to be more spiritually in touch. I hope more of them would empower their male counterparts with God's true message of Love and not Hate.


Dorothy DeVries   April 25th, 2010 7:36 pm ET

On your show last evening with Jennifer Knapp, I have a question. Why did you have two ministers on with very similar viewpoints about homosexuality? Why not invite some liberal theologian as welll who has a different view than conservative ministers? There are liberal denominations and liberal theologians that you could interview. The two guests both believed that homosexuality is a sin,but sin was never defined by either of the guests. I do not believe that homosexuality is a sin. Sin to me is not showing love where needed and not a list of wrongdoings. To me homosexuality is not a choice. and cannot be listed in a list of sins that your guests described.


Delia C. Benavides   April 25th, 2010 7:37 pm ET

She is not the first...There are others like Ray Boltz who was embedded in the christian music list and infact won several awards. Then again there are those who have encountered a more solid ground and who have not listened to the voices of our popular culture and who live solely for the truth which is found in Jesus Christ, our Lord. The challenge and invitation from our Lord is to turn from sin and follow Him. Yes, we are all sinners, but we must do our parts in daily shedding/cleansing of that which keeps us from our relationship with Him..
There is a fantastic singer, composer, arranger who has a beautiful testimony about his escape from homosexuality. Perhaps you could invite Him.... His name is Dennis Jernnigan...from Oklahoma! This is the message we should be promoting and not the compromising of the gospel of Jesus Christ. Thank you, Delia


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 7:56 pm ET

Let us look at the term, "un-natural relations." What occurs in nature would be natural relations and part of God's plan then.

Homosexuality occurs in nature and and is therefore a natural relation and part of God's plan.

It has been documented that some same-gender animals mate for life and have died shortly after the death of their partner.

I know this is a sign of the truth from the Lord. He promised he would send signs and we must keep our eyes, minds and faith open to them.

An un-natural relationship is to touch someone without love. God gave us intimacy and sexuality as an expression of his love and it is a sin to use it for violation (EX: rape, pedophilia) or to trivialize it


JR   April 25th, 2010 8:31 pm ET

The Bible is very clear. Read the following:

1Corinthians chapter 6 verses 9,10.
"Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor aduterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God."


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 8:39 pm ET

Furthermore, It would be an "un-natural" act to fake heterosexuality when you know you are Gay. This would be a sin.

If God made you gay that is his plan for you. You should be empowered by this gift of love and never be ashamed of it.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 8:41 pm ET

@JR-

The bible is a book written by a bunch of long dead prejudiced men.

Look to the 10 commandments for God's truth.


Marty Summers   April 25th, 2010 8:44 pm ET

Larry, you asked some questions last night that I believe deserve better answers. 1) Is homosexuality a choice? 2) Can you be both gay and a Christian? 3) Is homosexuality a worse sin than any other sin? 4) Is God the Creator of sin?

1) Is homosexuality a choice? A better question is does it matter whether homosexuality is biological or a choice? The answer is no. For example, a baby born to slave parents is still a slave accountable to his master even though he had no choice as to who his parents are. Slavery, of course, is wrong and is one reason why God likens our sinful condition to that of slaves in a slave-market. Christ came to free us of our bondage to sin and the devil but if we reject His grace He will still hold us accountable for our sinful condition. We tend to think accountability and responsibility are synonymous but they are not. Responsibility involves ability and therefore is a limited concept involving merit and reward whereas accountability is a universal term involving legalities and can be independent of choice.

2) Can you be both gay and a Christian? A better question is can you be a Christian who struggles with homosexual desires? The answer is yes. All Christians struggle with sin. The point is the Holy Spirit changes those He indwells such that what was once acceptable no longer is and therefore we start resisting sinful urges. While a gene may not be classified a choice the decision to act upon it is. There is a difference between struggling with sin and embracing it. If one embraces a sin it indicates the Holy Spirit is not in them and therefore that person does not belong to God and if he dies in that condition will not spend eternity with God.

3) Is homosexuality a worse sin than any other sin? A better question is do some sins have worse consequences than others? The answer is yes. Obviously murder takes a non-replaceable life whereas theft merely takes a replaceable object. What makes the consequences of homosexuality worse than others is that God says in Romans chapter one He gives those who embrace such a lifestyle up to a reprobate mind. If a person and/or a nation embrace such a lifestyle they will no longer experience God's blessing and guidance; but, rather will be left to their own imagination.

4) Is God the Creator of sin? A better question is how could a perfect God create free-willed beings like Himself and impart to them perfect knowledge and understanding of sin without being the Author of it? Perhaps an even more important question would be if God is going to create multiple free-willed beings then what is the root of all sin that He would obviously have to deal with? The answer to this question is self-centered pride. Self-centered pride is the result of two wills colliding and one being hurting another to get their desires satisfied. The answer to the first question involves two parts. The first is to create a being like Lucifer who was full of wisdom and perfect in beauty but who let his wisdom get corrupted by comparing himself to God and desiring the glory due God alone. Thus the perfect created being, Lucifer, fell and became the devil of his own accord. The second part would be to create the perfect prototype environment in which He could place humanity for the express purpose of letting sin destroy it. Adam and Eve were created righteous and, note, without the knowledge of sin thus the prohibition. God, in His wisdom, permitted the devil to deceive Eve and thus thrust all her offspring into sin in order to impart the perfect knowledge and understanding of sin and its consequences without being the Author of it. God is simply in the process of creating perfect free-willed beings like Himself by exterminating the self-centered sin of pride; a sin which He cannot be blamed for.


Rosa   April 25th, 2010 9:07 pm ET

Marty Summers, well said!! I'd like to say to pegasian that humans are the only ones that will answer to God one day, not animals, they don't know better. We were created only lower than the angels, please don't compare humans to animals, you get the picture. In the animal kingdom a lot of things happen that humans don't do because we have a higher intellegence. Just because they do something doesn't make it right for us.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 9:11 pm ET

From the 10 Commandments:

TWO: 'You shall not make for yourself a carved image–any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth.'

THREE: 'You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.'

Worshipping the bible (which is a text written by MAN) is a form of idolatry. It is taking the words of MAN over the words of the Lord. The true words of God are only in the 10 Commandments.

Using the bible as the words of the Lord is taking his name "in vain'" It is corrupting his message for personal vanity or for a personal agenda.

When you quote the bible as the words of God, you are committing a double sin based on the 10 Commandments. It is OK to quote the bible as long as you add this pre-amble, "this is a MAN'S view of the Lords intent." Otherwise you are in sinful error by misleading people to believe something is the message of the Lord when clearly it is not..

Furthermore, God never said gay was a sin. If it was a biggie to him this would have made his "top ten" list. Only prejudices men in the bible called it a sin...plus they treated women as cattle and wanted slavery. NONE of this is the intent or words of the Lord.

God is LOVE. Please, do not offend him by spreading MAN'S HATE


Jen   April 25th, 2010 9:19 pm ET

Girl needs to read a bible cuz in roman n Corithians is talks about homosexuals being in sin... Not sure what bible she reading but it isn't the holy bible....


Lenny   April 25th, 2010 9:23 pm ET

Does God love Jennifer any less than He loves me? No. He truly does love every one of us, but He does require all of us to Respect and Honor Him and Obey His Commands. We all need Jesus daily in our lives and His Word to guide our every step. All sins leads to hell rather it be homosexuality, lying, murder, even lusting in your heart towards someone or something, it is all bad. His desire is to put us in His great plans so we can experience His love, peace, and joy that only He can provide.
IS HOMOSEXUALITY A SIN? YES! DISOBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WORD IS SIN BEFORE GOD. KNOWING WHAT IS RIGHT AND DOESN’T DO IT, IS SIN BEFORE GOD. GOD BLESS!


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 9:31 pm ET

When you quote the bible you are just defending your bigotry by quoting another man's bigotry.

Please, do not do this.

The Lord gave us the 10 Commandments to try to prevent this. He is all knowin and saw this possibility.

You should focus and meditate on the actual messages of our Lord (the Commandments) and not those of MAN'S fear and hate.


JR   April 25th, 2010 9:48 pm ET

The Scriptures are the inspired word of God.

Read the following:

2Timothy chapter 3 v 16
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,"


Cajazz76:24:8   April 25th, 2010 9:49 pm ET

@Lenny

I am a bit curious, who died and made you God? You interpretation is yours alone, unless you can speed dial or e-mail deity for the answer you seem to be devoid of actually knowing for certain. If, by the smallest margin, you have that communication your in a class by yourself and failing. Only approximately 3% of all past and present human life on this planet have ever heard of God. That's a fact you cannot dispute.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 9:50 pm ET

@Mart/Rosa/Jen&Lenny-

As stated in the Commandments, you are in disobedience of God's commands by representing the words of MAN as the word of the Lord.

Please, do actual research God & Jesus never spoke to being gay...it was always the statement of Man.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 9:53 pm ET

JR-

I am inspired by God in current day. Why are my words no more valid? I am focusing on the true messages of our Lord. I wish you would do the same. He asks this of you in the Commandments.


Mikel Johnson   April 25th, 2010 9:55 pm ET

Larry, you are the last person I would have shared my story with. Your opinion on matters of someone else's soul is useless. Then to have a defrocked preacher share his distorted views on the matter was a flat out sin in itself.
Yes, the young lady is no worse than the rest of us christains, she may in fact be worse off though.. We are all in the process of cleansing our dirt away.. Through my growth in Christ, I have shed lots of stuff I thought I had a right to be and do.
I had to learn to REMEMBER sex of any kind outside the marriage is a sin..... Called fornication, but, I guess you will venture to have a more liberal interpr. of that too.... Since everyone is so embracing concerning all types of sexual behavior... WHY ARE YALL SOO MAD AT TIGER.. He's just expressing his God given character, God does love him too, doesn't He? God did create Tiger didn't He? You could say Tiger is a lot like Solomon couldn't you? We still love ole Solomon don't we?


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 10:05 pm ET

Mikel-

I just get offended/angry when people quote the word of MAN as the word of GOD. If it is not in the Commandments it is not the word of the Lord.

Our all knowing Lord warned of this in the Commandments and it is conveniently being ignored. People are profiting from spreading MAN'S words of HATE and saying it is the commands of the Lord.

God's only commands are in the 10 Commandments and there is nothing anti-gay there. To misrepresent the Commandments is an unforgivable sin.


JR   April 25th, 2010 10:11 pm ET

Read the following:

Leviticus chapter 18 v22

"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman. It is an abomination."


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 10:16 pm ET

JR-

Did you not get the memo (they are called the 10 Commandments)?

You are not quoting God....you are just quoting an inspired bigot. This is a sin according to the Commandments. Which are the actual commands of the Lord.

The Lord has asked you clearly not to do this even before those words were written.


JR   April 25th, 2010 10:29 pm ET

Read the following:

A fool says there is no God.

Call on the name of the Lord and you shall be saved!


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 10:31 pm ET

JR-

I called on the Lord and he gave me this revelation. Open your eyes, mind, heart and faith to the true words of the lord and maybe he will gift you with the same.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 10:36 pm ET

JR-

I don't just think there is a God.

I don't just hope there is a God.

I don't just believe there is a God.

I KNOW THERE IS A GOD!!!

And his name is being used to spread HATE offends him and he warned of this in the Commandments.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 10:59 pm ET

JR-

Do you realize you quoted from the scriptures the following?:

2Timothy chapter 3 v 16
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness,"

You yourself have stated that the scriptures should be reproofed or corrected. You pointed out them admitting their own flaws and lack of reliability but ignored it.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 11:03 pm ET

But let us remember this is the statement of a MAN in the scriptures and not the word of our Lord.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 11:08 pm ET

JR-

There is profit in proofing and correcting the scriptures because they are not the word of God...they are only the word of MAN


Rosa   April 25th, 2010 11:12 pm ET

pegasian, are you for real? You mean to say that the Bible is only 1/2 page or so long with the 10 commandments ONLY? I hope I'm misunderstanding you that all the rest is written by man alone and not the inspired word of God thru the Holy Spirit, guiding the writers?


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 11:20 pm ET

Rosa-

"inspiration" by God can be correct of faulty.

The Spanish Inquisition was "inspired by God"

The 9/11 terrorists were "inspired by God"

He warned of this in the commandments.

I am not saying that there is no truth in the bible.

i have read it several times.

However, God said to use the Commandments as his guide and all else that follows should not be taken as the Lord's words or worshipped as such.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 11:22 pm ET

Rosa-

Remember that the Son of Sam was inspired by God who talked to him through a Dog.


Atheist007   April 25th, 2010 11:35 pm ET

@ Peg-ass-ian

Men rarely (if ever) manage to dream up a God superior to themselves. Most Gods have the manners and morals of a spoiled child.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 11:41 pm ET

Rosa-

What God focused on in the 10 Commandments is what he requested that we focus on and take as his only message on to us. All else must be taken as the interpretations of MAN. Whatever was not in the Commandments was not a issue for the Lord.

When the bible strays from the commandments, the validity of the inspiration must be considered unreliable.

It is also interesting to note that being anti-gay has never been the theme for any proven saint.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 11:44 pm ET

Atheist007-

What is sad is that many a christian preacher is placing themselves as superior to God by doing what he commanded them not to do in the 10 Commandments.


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 11:56 pm ET

Atheist007-

Futhermore, everyone knows that unless questioned and corrected, bigotry just inspires bigotry and that type of hate is never the work of the Lord.


Atheist007   April 25th, 2010 11:56 pm ET

@ pegassian

You keep believing........... I'll keep evolving


pegasian   April 25th, 2010 11:59 pm ET

Atheist007-

Shouldn't belief evolve too for the times?


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 12:04 am ET

Atheist007-

If belief did not evolve:

We would still be burning witches.

Woman would not have the vote or be allowed to hold equal jobs to men.

and

Blacks would still be slaves.

All of these things that we now see as offensive and sinful, in modern times. are allowed and requested in the scriptures of MAN but were never part of the actual word of the Lord which is the 10 Commandments.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 12:11 am ET

Atheist007-

The last thing I want is for anyone to leave their church. However, too many people passively let others use the Lord to spread hate in their names. God is Love and he is the God of Love for all. To not talk out against this movement is to:

Ignore a witch being burned at the stake.....

Ignore the Spanish Inquisition....

or ignore the Jews being taken to the gas chamber.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 12:11 am ET

@ pegassian

No evolving when one is stuck 2000 years in the past


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 12:16 am ET

Joseph-

and we agree that if the scholars and scriptures are straying far from the 10 Commandments one should question their "inspiration?"

God never mentions Anti-Gay in the 10 Commandments.....that is clearly the creation of MAN


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 12:22 am ET

Atheist007-

I think every christian could use a good spiritual kick in the ass into the 21st century.

The preachers are not speaking to their times or to the true message of Love of God.

This is why so many churches are losing their followers.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 12:27 am ET

The preachers are not speaking to their times or to the true message of Love from God.

These campaigns of hate that they are promoting are lining their pockets but are in contradiction of the Commandments.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 12:38 am ET

@pegasian

so your belief is basically the 10 commandments... not necessarily the bible?


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 12:41 am ET

Atheist007-

I believe in the 10 Commandments and my Gospel is seeing the true glory of God in the world around us. I read the bible as an editorial opinion that should be taken with caution.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 12:44 am ET

@ pegasian

Interesting twist! I like it. At least your original. I become so tired of the same drones............


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 12:46 am ET

Atheist007-

To believe the bible fully I would have to:
see women as lesser humans...

see all other religions as sinners.....

see blacks as not humans

and hate myself and a good number of my friends.

This is not the message of Love from God. This is a message of fear and hate from MAN that should not be allowed to continue without correction


Cajazz76:24:8   April 26th, 2010 12:47 am ET

@pegasian

I can see a little of me in 007....perhaps in a trinity of sorts


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 12:49 am ET

pegasian

Well stated. I like what you wrote...

Do you believe in afterlife or heaven/hell?


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 12:50 am ET

Atheist007-

and any religion or preacher who thinks they have it 100% right or actually even 70% right in most cases (when ever they stray from the guidelines of the 10 commandments) truly needs a hubris check.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 12:54 am ET

Atheist007-

I KNOW there is something else and there is some adjustment for us to learn from. I am not certain if it is an afterlife with some form of purgitory or reincarnation.

I think if there is a Hell that Hitler is being gang banged there by a following of serial killers and a few other select members.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 12:54 am ET

pegasian

I like your honesty and insight that humans are far from perfect and fully knowledgeable.

Do you call yourself a christian? As you do read the bible, but realize it is out of date? Is that a fair assumption?


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 12:56 am ET

Atheist007-

If you do research into the bible you will find that King Charlamagne (sp?) had any reference to reincarnation removed from it in his rewrite.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 12:57 am ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

Ass well, I can also see a little fluidity of mine within you.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 12:59 am ET

pegasian

You mentioned the 10 commandments. So would being Gay as the topic of this blog, be a problem with you? Many Christians see it as a sin... do you?


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 12:59 am ET

Atheist007- H

I was raised RC and consider myself both that and a christian. However, when I want to get in touch with God I will pray in any christian church.
My belief in God is my faith and not what a preacher tries to make me believe.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:01 am ET

Atheist007-

I KNOW that my being gay is a gift from God and what he had planned for me. To deny this or be ashamed by it would be to sin against God.


Joseph-St-Francis   April 26th, 2010 1:02 am ET

Hmmm, I don’t see my last post, but I know pegasian you replied to it.

Pegasian It’s not a matter of inspiration, but a matter of translation and interpretation. Translations are not infallible. In short, what it boils down too, sound scholarship and the biblical languages the Scriptures were written do not address homosexuality, in how religious Fundamentalist misinterprets them.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 26th, 2010 1:03 am ET

pegasian

777 is your last blog number...lucky day for you, I hope..


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:05 am ET

@ pegasian

I am delighted you have given yourself permission to be what you are.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:07 am ET

@pegasian

It must have been a struggle for you, for as long as you have known you are gay, and be Christian.

The christian believe does not seem to give much latitude in being unique. I am happy to see you have made some adjustments in your belief so you can accept yourself.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:09 am ET

Atheist007-

God made clear what he sees as sins in the commandments and warned not to stray far from them. Gay bigotry is just the usual insecurities and fears of MAN. God never said any of this and has been sending signs that this is not of his design but many a christian are sinfully ignoring these messages.

When two same gender animals mate for life and one will die of sorrow, shortly after the death of the other, this is a sign from the Lord.

When Gay is indicated in genetics, it is a sign from God.

Scientist are seeing the signs of the Lord but his followers eyes are locked in a book written by MAN.

This was forewarned in the commandments and is stunting and destroying the faith.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 26th, 2010 1:12 am ET

pegasian

I am an RC, ass well...recovering Catholic...


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:13 am ET

Atheist007-

I never had the "gay crisis" because I always had a strong mind (Thanks to my mom) and when I decided to reflect on it...I asked God to send me a sign. He made it clear that being Gay was part of his plan and that I was loved by him.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:15 am ET

Atheist007-

I am not "recovering" but my Sunday school may have had to recover from me.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:16 am ET

pegasian

book written by MAN..... you mean the bible?

I agree with you, being gay is not out of the norm and seen in nature every day with animals.

I would imagine it would still be a struggle because of how you are received by the Christians... It must hurt?


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:16 am ET

Atheist007-

I adjusted nothing...God gave me true insight and faith as a gift.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:20 am ET

Atheist007-

If anyone dares to shun or condemn me or others for being gay, I read them the riot act of the 10 Commandments and inform them of the great sin of their actions.

The ultimate sin is to use God for an agenda of hate not of his creation.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:21 am ET

pegasian

I like your spunk! That is a wonderful sign as you stated:

I am not "recovering" but my Sunday school may have had to recover from me.

I am smiling over what you just said... I like your independent thinking. Not just a sheeple like so many others.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:22 am ET

Cajazz-

Truly TMI


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:25 am ET

@ pegasian

ROFL LMAO I love TMI!

I am a TMI kind of person


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:26 am ET

Atheist007-

There are many more that feel this way but are too scared to speak up. The faith would be stronger in both Love and numbers if they did. I have asked God to help me in this.

I have problems with my church but I will not turn my back on it for its failings. However, I think a certain pope's secretary is long overdue being fired.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:26 am ET

@ pegasian

I commend you on standing up for your belief and rights.

How long have you known you are gay?


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:27 am ET

Atheist007-

My biggest dream is to one day see a woman elected pope.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:30 am ET

Atheist007-

8ish is when I started realizing what was happening. At 12 is when I gave it the big thunking and asked God for guidance.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:31 am ET

@ pegasian

That would be very nice to see a woman as pope, but I doubt if we will live to see that.

It must be difficult to belong to a church who does not fully appreciate you. How do you cope with the silent mocking?

Its one of the reasons, I do not believe in anything. I was just tired of all the sins and if you do not follow like sheep, then you do not deserve to belong. What kind of carp is that?


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:34 am ET

Atheist007-

I never saw being Gay as a sin because God filled me with faith and sent me the signs that it was not.

I have sinned in other ways.

I was an adult through the 1980s.

However, my loving and expressing real love with a man is a gift from God.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:34 am ET

pegasian

were you molested as an alter boy? or molested ever. If you do not want to answer this question, I respect your privacy


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:37 am ET

pegasian

There is nothing wrong with being gay in my book. I am straight as an arrow, but I also believe that we have a right to our feelings and experiences. No one has the right to tell us different.

It should not even be a question about gay! I find myself very irritated at the narrow minded people...


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:37 am ET

Atheist007-

The voices in my church are not the basis for my faith. True faith is within you and can not be altered.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:39 am ET

Atheist007-

I was never molested and if they had tried they would have been singing soprano in the choir. I would have NOT dragged them to a bishop...I would have called the police.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:42 am ET

pegasian

I agree, but it is also human nature to be accepted in the group upon which we decide to join.

If not, then you can pray to god anywhere on this planet. YOu would not need a church?


Cajazz76:24:8   April 26th, 2010 1:42 am ET

pegasian

TMI ...Tonights Moderator Insensitive?


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:46 am ET

pegasian

well stated and I continue to enjoy your spunk and willingness to stand up for your rights.

I still find it disquieting that you are part of a church and in many ways at odds with the people because of their narrow mindedness towards you being gay. Acceptance is a big part of human nature. How do you find acceptance within that church group?


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:47 am ET

Atheist007-

I believe in my faith enough to try to change it for the betterment of all.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:48 am ET

@ Cajazz76:24:8

Very witty and funny...


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 1:50 am ET

pegasian

It is not your faith that is in question. Is the lack of support from other humans in the church you belong to. That is a concern I have.


William Rose   April 26th, 2010 1:50 am ET

Larry:

As she and the pastor said during the interview, all sin is sin. However, her audacity in claiming to still be a Christian and that the Biblical text is sacred and still practice homosexuality is someone wanting both a biblical belief system and a worldly / sinful satisfaction of the flesh. Whether a liar, thief, hate-monger, homo, etc., Jesus expects what He told the woman at the well, "you are forgiven of your sins, now go and sin no more." Ms. Knapp needs to repent as all sinners do and to go on with her life without the sin of homosexuality in her life and to love Jesus and all of mankind. I am not just singling out Homo lifestyle here, but all sinners to repent and to go and do it no more or they will be living what the Bible calls blasphemy and idolatry – putting something else first in your life in lieu of God and that will – to use Jennifer's words – send you to hell by your own choice.

Thank you for having her on your show and for a chance to respond to her young, niave view of life by trying to live as you want and to twist the scripture around your life's choices.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 1:59 am ET

Atheist007-

True faith is feeling supported by God. If I am in a church or praying I am never alone. For me this blog discussion has even been a form of prayer and a confirmation of my faith.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 2:00 am ET

pegasian

Good night!

I certainly hope you find peace within a group that can accept you... all of you! I appreciate your honesty and integrity!

Thank you for sharing a part of your life with me.

I will always cherish it.


Atheist007   April 26th, 2010 2:02 am ET

pegasian

I do hope to see you on Larry King again. If I see you, I will blog with you. I have a deep respect for you.

Thank You


Joseph-St-Francis   April 26th, 2010 2:02 am ET

Hmmm, still can't see the one post on mine. Anyhow, I'll have repost it after this one.

I find it interesting that pegasian is gay and Catholic and I'm also gay and a convert to Catholicism (former evangelical).

Just wondering pegasian do you know of Dignity – the gay Catholic support group? They are an equal rights movement?

I am the communications officer for the Tornto chapter.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 2:09 am ET

Atheist007-

I know of dignity but am not involved with them but want them to be the ones (or a church like them) to sue for Gay marriage in the USA based on religious discrimination.

Your post probably got removed because it had a link.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 2:11 am ET

@ Atheist007 and Joseph

sorry Joe the last message was for you and BIG HUGS and nite to Atheist007


Joseph-St-Francis   April 26th, 2010 2:26 am ET

Ah, ok. Thanks for letting me know pegasian. It seems to have posted it the second time around.

In regards to Dignity, I encourage you to get involved with them. They are not only of great support and resources, but we need each other to stand up for what is right.

If more of us would band together the sooner the US will past laws in support of gay marriage, as we have it up here in Canada.

I reach out my hand in solidarity as a gay person of faith to get on board with us.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 2:34 am ET

The key to getting Gay marriage passed id NOT to sue for it on the basis of civil discrimination but have one religion sue for the right for their
members to legally marry on the basis of religious discrimination.

Many churches do not realize but their actions are actually moving against religious freedom in their countries. One religion is not meant to rule above the others. That is the basis of the division of church and state in my country. Ignoring it will always cause a backlash.

If you want faiths to unite you respect and support all diversity of belief.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 2:46 am ET

Joseph-

I visited Dignity once in my youth and the their stance was Jesus accepts you despite your gay sin and accepts you anyway. I know God does not see my being gay as a sin and it is a gift from him and part of his plan for me and others. To deny the type of Love that God had planned for me would have been the sin.


Joseph-St-Francis   April 26th, 2010 3:23 am ET

No, no, no, pegasian, I think you are getting Dignity mixed-up with the group called Courage.

Courage believes homosexuality is not a sin, the sexual act is. They are in accordance with what the Church has realized – that gays are born that way. Where they are wrong is they believe that celibacy is the cure. That's is as ridiculous as believing left-handed people are evil, and in birds that are not aloud to fly.

Dignity believes as we are born gay it is our God given right to be fully human as homosexuals in loving relationships. As Dignity Canada's website states: “is Canada's organization of Roman Catholics who are concerned about our church's sexual theology, particularly as it pertains to gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender persons. We work in collaboration with other Catholic organizations seeking reform in our church's leadership and teachings. Membership is open to all who share our concerns.”

Dignity's USA's website says: "DignityUSA envisions and works for a time when Gay, Lesbian, Bisexual and Transgender Catholics are affirmed and experience dignity through the integration of their spirituality with their sexuality, and as beloved persons of God participate fully in all aspects of life within the Church and Society."

Again, I encourage you to get involved, we are a humans right group who want the freedom to marry, and have the very same rights as heterosexuals do. Anything lesser dehumanizing.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 3:36 am ET

To All-

These false preachers have no problem with anyone asking, "where in the bible does it say being gay is a sin?" They know it was written by frightened, insecure, bigoted MEN just like them. They conspire to hide the fact that the scriptures are the word of MAN.

The real test is to make them answer, " where in the 10 Commandments, the only true word of our Lord, does it say that being gay is a sin?" It is not even mentioned.

God warned of his word being distorted and used for profit by others in the commandments and stressed that the commandments and the commandments alone should always be the guide and core faith of his followers.

Bigotry feeds bigotry and hate feeds hate. None of this bible spin is in the commandments. God tried his best to prevent this but these false preachers are not following his true command.

This is what is destroying our faith.


Joseph-St-Francis   April 26th, 2010 4:19 am ET

This is written in response to JR and the other religious Fundamentalists on this blog using the Bible to condemn homosexuality, like the Leviticus passage Bible thumpers like to quote.

Like I’ve said in my other entries listed above when a systematic study of the Bible is done in regards to homosexuality in all the famous 6 clobber passage Fundamentalists like to use, one will find it addresses idolatry, NOT a loving same-sex relationship between two consenting adults.

This is why I keep stressing you have to see what the Bible is saying in its entirety—as a whole in regards to homosexuality, if one really wants to find out the truth. For the Bible interprets the Bible. By lifting one passage out of context is only to misinterpret what Scriptures say in attempt of forming bias’ and hatred that is contrary to the law of love commanded in the Scriptures for all to follow.

People like JR who want to quote the Leviticus passage then us it in its proper context—known in the “Holiness Code,” and that the passage before it is addressing idolatry. As it reads: “You shall not offer any of your offspring to be immolated to Molech, thus profaning the name of your God. I am the LORD” (Lev. 18:21).

Why is it that people like JR who consider themselves to be Christian do not observe the Holiness Code that requires:

 A child to be killed if he/she curses their parent (Leviticus 20:9)
 All persons guilty of adultery to be killed (20:10)
 The daughter of a priest who engages in prostitution to be burned alive until dead (21:9)
 The bride of a priest to be a virgin (21:13)
 Ritual killing of animals, using cattle, sheep and goats (22:19)
 Observation of 7 feasts: Passover, Feast of Unleavened Bread, Feast of Firstfruits, Feast of Pentecost, Feast of Trumpets, Day of Atonement, Feast of Tabernacles (23)
 A person who takes the Lord's name in vain is to be killed (24:16)

OR that the Holiness Code prohibits:

 Heterosexual intercourse when a woman has her period (Leviticus 18:19)
 Harvesting the corners of a field (19:9)
 Eating fruit from a young tree (19:23)
 Cross-breeding livestock (19:19)
 Sowing a field with mixed seed (19:19)
 Shaving or getting a hair cut (19:27)
 Tattoos (19:28)
 Even a mildly disabled person from becoming a priest (21:18)
 Charging of interest on a loan (25:37)

Even collecting firewood on Saturday to prevent your family from freezing, and wearing of clothes made from a blend of textile materials; today this might be cotton and polyester, and eating of non-kosher foods (e.g. shrimp) are prohibited.

Would these Fundamentalists like to observe slavery as well (Leviticus 25:44)? Do we forget the founding of America was based on the enslavement of others? Maybe this is why America is so slow to catching-up with other countries who have made it a legal right for loving same-sex couples to marry?


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 4:29 am ET

Joeseph-

GO JOE!!!!!!


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 4:38 am ET

"Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?" To the young man who asked this question, Jesus answers first by invoking the necessity to recognize God as the "One there is who is good," as the supreme Good and the source of all good. Then Jesus tells him: "If you would enter life, keep the commandments." And he cites for his questioner the precepts that concern love of neighbor: "You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother." Finally Jesus sums up these commandments positively: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 4:54 am ET

If you are calling your neighbor sinful and condemning him based on something that does not appear in the 10 commandments (which is the only true directive of our Lord),"are you loving your neighbor as yourself?"

I am passionate about this because gay youth has the highest rate of suicide because of the misapplication of faith. You are calling them sinful based on the bigoted scriptures of MAN. Can any of you even imagine how traumatizing this could be? The Lord forewarned of this type of misuse in the commandments. He saw the danger, why don't you?

ANYONE who plays innocent or ignorant and allows this to continue, without correction, has blood on their hands.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 5:23 am ET

The next time you hear of a gay christian youth committing suicide, realize that you could have done something to try to prevent it.

Take your preacher aside and request him not to use the Lord's name to spread the bigotry of MAN. God and Jesus never said anything anti-gay. Therefore, a true follower can refrain from this hate speech with confidence.

If he tries to sell you on "ex-gay" groups remind him that they have no recognizable success rate and that their suicide rates are staggering (especially for youth forced into them by mislead parents).


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 26th, 2010 8:10 am ET

@pegasian

Please refrain from your continual brainwashing as to the 10 COMMANDMENTS being the only part of the Holy Bible that we should believe in.

I think this is quite insulting to Christians and hypocritical on your part. How can you say this and delude yourself that you are a Christian. In actual fact you are mocking God and trying to mislead people.

Is there some guilt for you to go on in this way. It sounds obsessive and offensive.

You cannot separate God's word to suit yourself. Doesn't work that way. God did not give you the right to do this. You are using wrong justification I'm afraid.


Joseph-St-Francis   April 26th, 2010 10:13 am ET

As I’ve said above what the Bible really says about homosexuality is the concern for the practice of idolatry in the form of pagan prostitution, not a loving same-sex relationship between two consenting adults.

This can be understood through a systematic approach of examining the Scriptures and what they say, or doesn’t say about homosexuality in their entirety. Not by quoting Scripture out of context. It proves nothing.

As with the chapter 18 of Leviticus and the Holiness Code the Israelites where to be kept separate or pure from their non-Jewish neighbours. The Code specifically warns the Israelites against accepting the idolatrous practices of the Canaanites. For an example the Canaanites observed a religion that included fertility rites. These pagan ceremonies involved sexual rituals that were thought to bring blessings on the cycle of the seasons, the production of crops, the birth of livestock. To the Israelites these fertility rites were a classic case of idolatry that comprised of sexual services that ranged from incest amongst family members, to same-sex copulation, to religious prostitution.

Having sex with a menstruating woman and offering child-sacrifice to the Canaanite god, Molech, are other Canaanite practices listed in this section of the Holiness Code. It is in the context of idolatry the Code prohibits all those acts, and calls them “abominations”.

“Abomination” is just another word for “unclean,” as with animals—like pigs, camels, lobsters and shrimp—were thought to be unclean, not to be eaten. As with the case with idol worship some animals (e.g. the golden calf) were associated with pagan religious rituals, magic and superstition. The pig, for example, was used in Babylonian worship of the god Tammuz. This religious connection might be another reason for the Jews to consider the pig taboo. Nevertheless, Christians do not consider it an “abomination” for eating pork do they JR?


Joseph-St-Francis   April 26th, 2010 10:57 am ET

KING JAMES VERSION VERSES MODERN TRANSLATIONS OF THE BIBLE

So all you religious Fundamentalists and all those who belong to some un-orthodox pseudo-Christian sect, which translation is right, which one is wrong?

Is it the King James Version;

“There shall be no whore of the daughters of Israel, nor a sodomite of the sons of Israel” (Deuteronomy 23:17).

Or is it the;

New Revised Standard Version;

“None of the daughters of Israel shall be a temple prostitute; none of the sons of Israel shall be a temple prostitute” (Deuteronomy 23:17).

(Compare also with the following passages 1 Kings 14:24, 15:12; 22:46 and 2 Kings 23:7).


gerald Jolly   April 26th, 2010 11:12 am ET

@ pegasian.

Please stop soiling this blog, with your B.S.

GEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ1

Make your point then

SILENCE IS GOLDEN


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 26th, 2010 11:35 am ET

@Joseph-St-Francis April 26th, 2010 10:13 am ET

The Jehovah's Witnesses have taught me that after Jesus (The New Testament) a new covenant was made and the old covenant (The Old Testament) was done away with.

"NEW COVENANT

(What is the new covenant?)
What does God say His covenant is today? Firstly he tells us through His holy word that the old or first covenant had a worldly Sanctuary [Hebrews 10:1]. But now He has a non-worldly Sanctuary in heaven He Himself made where Jesus is our great high Priest [Hebr.8:2,5; 9:11,24; Acts 7:24].

Q.: What does the sanctuary of GOD's covenant look like? A.: It consists of the holy and the most holy places. The latter contains GOD's throne consisting of His mercy seat above the ark with His 10 Commandments.
The old covenant here on earth demonstrated the gospel message by sacrificing the innocent lamb representing Christ dying for us, the guilty race. This forgave sin, but the record remained till judgment day when it was removed by the cleansing of the Sanctuary. Now today under the new covenant, we must enter above into God's holiest by faith alone and the blood of Jesus.
Just like the New Testament, the New Covenant is a direct continuation of the old. The superiority of the New over the Old is the blood of Jesus Christ, God's Son over the blood of animal sacrifices. The earthly Sanctuary/Temple is inferior to the far superior Temple in heaven under the New Covenant/Testament.
How many people do you find that have an understanding of this and even among those who call themselves covenant churches?

Jesus sets us free from sin by the miracle of conversion. He does this when we come to Him for forgiveness and he then puts His holy moral law inside us and writes them into our hearts and minds (Hebr.8:10-12 ; 10:16-26). With our hearts we love and with our minds agree that the holy law is just and good soon as God Himself performs the miracle. Unfortunately many Protestants have started to deny this.

Ask yourselves, if the old and new covenants have an ark of the covenant, see Hebrews 9:4 and seen opened in the apocalypse on judgment day containing all of the Ten Commandments (Revelation 11:18,19; 1.King8:9) and we are all to be judged by these Ten (James 2:8-12), shouldn't we all keep them holy to avoid condemnation?"


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 26th, 2010 11:49 am ET

The Seventh Day Adventist do not eat pork and this is could be purely for health reasons.

There is are scriptures in the Bible about SWINE (Pigs) –

"Bible Verses about Swine

Leviticus 11:7-8
And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you. You shall not eat any of their flesh, and you shall not touch their carcasses; they are unclean to you.

Matthew 7:6
“Do not give dogs what is holy, and do not throw your pearls before pigs, lest they trample them underfoot and turn to attack you.

Proverbs 11:22
Like a gold ring in a pig's snout is a beautiful woman without discretion.

Leviticus 11:1-47
And the Lord spoke to Moses and Aaron, saying to them, “Speak to the people of Israel, saying, These are the living things that you may eat among all the animals that are on the earth. Whatever parts the hoof and is cloven-footed and chews the cud, among the animals, you may eat. Nevertheless, among those that chew the cud or part the hoof, you shall not eat these: The camel, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you. And the rock badger, because it chews the cud but does not part the hoof, is unclean to you. ...

Isaiah 66:17
“Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating pig's flesh and the abomination and mice, shall come to an end together, declares the Lord.

Leviticus 11:7
And the pig, because it parts the hoof and is cloven-footed but does not chew the cud, is unclean to you.

Luke 8:33
Then the demons came out of the man and entered the pigs, and the herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and were drowned.

Mark 5:11-14
Now a great herd of pigs was feeding there on the hillside, and they begged him, saying, “Send us to the pigs; let us enter them.” So he gave them permission. And the unclean spirits came out, and entered the pigs, and the herd, numbering about two thousand, rushed down the steep bank into the sea and were drowned in the sea. The herdsmen fled and told it in the city and in the country. And people came to see what it was that had happened.

Isaiah 65:2-4
I spread out my hands all the day to a rebellious people, who walk in a way that is not good, following their own devices; a people who provoke me to my face continually, sacrificing in gardens and making offerings on bricks; who sit in tombs, and spend the night in secret places; who eat pig's flesh, and broth of tainted meat is in their vessels;

John 3:16-36
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God. And this is the judgment: the light has come into the world, and people loved the darkness rather than the light because their works were evil. For everyone who does wicked things hates the light and does not come to the light, lest his works should be exposed. ...

Matthew 8:28-32
And when he came to the other side, to the country of the Gadarenes, two demon-possessed men met him, coming out of the tombs, so fierce that no one could pass that way. And behold, they cried out, “What have you to do with us, O Son of God? Have you come here to torment us before the time?” Now a herd of many pigs was feeding at some distance from them. And the demons begged him, saying, “If you cast us out, send us away into the herd of pigs.” And he said to them, “Go.” So they came out and went into the pigs, and behold, the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the sea and drowned in the waters.

Matthew 5:17-19
“Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. For truly, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Therefore whoever relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches others to do the same will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever does them and teaches them will be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Isaiah 65:4
Who sit in tombs, and spend the night in secret places; who eat pig's flesh, and broth of tainted meat is in their vessels;

Deuteronomy 14:1-29
“You are the sons of the Lord your God. You shall not cut yourselves or make any baldness on your foreheads for the dead. For you are a people holy to the Lord your God, and the Lord has chosen you to be a people for his treasured possession, out of all the peoples who are on the face of the earth. “You shall not eat any abomination. These are the animals you may eat: the ox, the sheep, the goat, the deer, the gazelle, the roebuck, the wild goat, the ibex, the antelope, and the mountain sheep. ...

Exodus 20:8
“Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy.

Genesis 1:29
And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   April 26th, 2010 12:20 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8 April 24th, 2010 12:03 pm ET

Gerald Jolly..

Come on Gerald...a Pegasian is a blogger acting like a horses posterior who thinks their words can make pony poo fly..
___________________________________

I nearly died from laughing.

@Cajazz76:24:8 April 25th, 2010 4:40 pm ET

Jessie from Auckland NZ

Since your in the Southern Hemisphere does water run uphill and the blood rush to your feet? Do you have to stand on your head to keep from passing out or is there a physiological reapportionment in the human condition made to compensate for that?
_______________________________________

Since you're running riddles on me, you might just have to answer your own questions. I am brain-dead, you have to help me out, sorry. What exactly do you mean????


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 2:04 pm ET

@gerald-

The only ones soiling this blog are people saying the hateful words of MAN are the actual words of our Lord. The scriptures are soiled with the writing of prejudice that should not be allowed to continue their contamination. God warned of this is the 10 Commandments. If you want to do his true work. refrain from spreading MAN'S hateful words. The Lord asked this of you.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 2:10 pm ET

@Jessie-

The whole point is that quoting the bible as the word of GOD when it is actual the word of MAN is "mocking God and misleading people." God spoke to this possibility when he handed us the 10 Commandments. To use these words as a weapon of hate in the name of the Lord by mislabelng them is a sin against God himself.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 2:13 pm ET

@Jesssie-

Jessie, I have no guilt that drives me to speak the truth on this matter....perhaps it is devine inspiration? Would you mock that too?


Cajazz76:24:8   April 26th, 2010 2:17 pm ET

Jessie from Auckland NZ

By no exaggeration do I consider you brain-dead. I often extrude hidden humor within by blogs and you seem to have captured its intent. Never fail to recognize that the gravity of situations exposed within these blogs do not have an equal and opposite effect on those of us in the Northern confines of this hemisphere. You're my equal and I consider you a good and sincere friend Humor is always an equalizer!


jundp   April 26th, 2010 2:19 pm ET

sodom and gomorrah was destroyed by God with burning sulfur (brimstone and fire) from heaven because He could not even find 10 righteous people in it ..

genesis 19 –

5And they called unto Lot, and said unto him, Where are the men which came in to thee this night? bring them out unto us, that we may know them.

6And Lot went out at the door unto them, and shut the door after him,

7And said, I pray you, brethren, do not so wickedly.

8Behold now, I have two daughters which have not known man; let me, I pray you, bring them out unto you, and do ye to them as is good in your eyes: only unto these men do nothing; for therefore came they under the shadow of my roof. (kjv)


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 2:21 pm ET

Jesssie-

This is what drives me and too many people turn their back on this and do not realize they too are responsible for it by spreading MAN's prejudice falsely as the word of God. . God gave me many gifts. Just one of them was being gay. He also let me see the truth in what he had said in the 10 Commandments and that man is overlooking it for his own profit/agenda.

Posted: April 26th, 2010 4:38 am ET

"Teacher, what good deed must I do, to have eternal life?" To the young man who asked this question, Jesus answers first by invoking the necessity to recognize God as the "One there is who is good," as the supreme Good and the source of all good. Then Jesus tells him: "If you would enter life, keep the commandments." And he cites for his questioner the precepts that concern love of neighbor: "You shall not kill, You shall not commit adultery, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness, Honor your father and mother." Finally Jesus sums up these commandments positively: "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."

If you are calling your neighbor sinful and condemning him based on something that does not appear in the 10 commandments (which is the only true directive of our Lord),"are you loving your neighbor as yourself?"

I am passionate about this because gay youth has the highest rate of suicide because of the misapplication of faith. You are calling them sinful based on the bigoted scriptures of MAN. Can any of you even imagine how traumatizing this could be? The Lord forewarned of this type of misuse in the commandments. He saw the danger, why don't you?

ANYONE who plays innocent or ignorant and allows this to continue, without correction, has blood on their hands.

The next time you hear of a gay christian youth committing suicide, realize that you could have done something to try to prevent it.

Take your preacher aside and request him not to use the Lord's name to spread the bigotry of MAN. God and Jesus never said anything anti-gay. Therefore, a true follower can refrain from this hate speech with confidence.

If he tries to sell you on "ex-gay" groups remind him that they have no recognizable success rate and that their suicide rates are staggering (especially for youth forced into them by mislead parents).

The only solution is to not let the hate spread, especially when they are the hateful words of MAN wrongfully called the words of the Lord.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 2:31 pm ET

@Jessie-

I have said repeatedly that even the Lord said that the 10 Commandments should be the key to interpret all that follows. I am not saying that one should not believe parts of the bible. However, when it strays viciously from the 10 Commandments it is obviously the hateful speech of Man.

God did not say anything anti-gay in the 10 Commandments. Therefore, from his own statements when handing down the commandments, he did not want any such hateful speech to be said in his name.

If you do a bit of research, it is obvious that these hateful words are MANSPEAK and not GODSPEAK and to mislead that one is the other is a multiple sin as forewarned in the commandments.


Cajazz76:24:8   April 26th, 2010 2:34 pm ET

Jessie from Auckland NZ

I am a bit brain dead today...Let me restate and clarify this...Never fail to recognize that the gravity of situations exposed within these blogs do not have an equal NOT opposite effect on those of us in the Northern confines of this hemisphere. My sincere apologies for any confusion.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 3:10 pm ET

Exodus 20
The Ten Commandments
1 And God spoke all these words:

2 "I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of Egypt, out of the land of slavery.

3 "You shall have no other gods before [a] me.

4 "You shall not make for yourself an idol in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, 6 but showing love to a thousand {generations} of those who love me and keep my commandments.

7 "You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 3:14 pm ET

To Jessie and All-

To quote hateful MANSPEAK as GODSPEAK is to "misuse(s) his name."

God asked of you not to commit this sin in his commandments.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 3:41 pm ET

Jesse-

God said on handing down the 10 Commandments to Moses to "separate" all that followed using the 10 Commandments as your sole key and guide.

I am not doing this to suit my purposes.

I am doing this to remind people why God sent us his only true guidance in the commandments. He pre-warned of the misuse of his name.

The confusion in the faith comes from muddling MAN's words with GOD'S words. The commandments are the only true words of the Lord and he commanded us to focus primarily on them. To focus elsewhere is idolatry, which is another commandment sin.

God in his devine wisdom foresaw this and alerted us to the key to filter off this hateful confusion.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 3:51 pm ET

Jesse-

And let us be fair here. I am focusing on the sole clear statements of the Lord. The ones he commanded us to focus on and live by.

When others are using the word of MAN from the bible and saying it is the word of God. They are guilty of an un-truth to "suit their purposes" and agenda.

This is a sin against the Lord, which is clearly stated in the commandments.

To prove me wrong, you would have to say that the 10 Commandments are not the word of the Lord.

Are you willing to do that?


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 4:04 pm ET

@William Rose-

To misuse the hateful word of MAN as the word of God is "blasphemy and idolatry." God pre-warned us of these sins in the 10 Commandments.

I would be careful of who I am saying should go to "Hell" when you are doubly guilty of a commandment sin yourself.

Jennifer Knapp is a brave child of God to try to lead you to the truth.

She deserves your respect, love and admiration not your condemnation.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 4:31 pm ET

To all "throwing stones"-

Let me remind you that a Commandment Sin is the highest of all sins and a direct sin against God.

Think of this, next time, before you "throw stones" of Hate based on the words of MAN.


JR   April 26th, 2010 6:41 pm ET

Read the following

"Why do you not understand My speech? Because you are not able to listen to My word." John 8 v.43


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 6:57 pm ET

@JR-

I hope that means you have seen the error of your ways and that your were listing to the hateful words of MAN and not the loving message of our Lord.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 7:16 pm ET

@JR-

I hope that means you have seen the error of your ways and that you now know that you were listening to the hateful words of MAN and not the loving message of our Lor


Joseph-St-Francis   April 26th, 2010 7:50 pm ET

Jessie from Auckland your Jehovah's Witnesses (JW's) and Seventh Day Adventist (SDA) mentality is not taken seriously by mainline Christianity, and biblical scholarship. Why? Because both those groups are not authentic orthodox Christian world views, but are classified as new religious movements by the experts in the field of sects, schisms, and cults. And in the world of religious Fundamentalists JW's and SDA's are some of the most extremist groups going. They realy on brainwashing technics whereby they indoctrination their members who are dumb as sheep. I know because I was raise a JW, but thank God I chose to leave. For you don’t have to leave your mind, heart and body behind when you encounter these groups. however, that's what exactly these people do, and why they stay.


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 8:08 pm ET

A Revelation:

Reading the bible in some ways is like trying to watch CNN, MSNBC and FOX news at the same time.

A basic rule of Journalism is that to clear up any confusion you go back to the original source.

That is what God asked us to do in the Commandments.

He commanded that they should be used as his only true word and be used as a key to prevent any misinterpretation. God knew he might be libeled but in this case it is blasphemy to use God's words to spread MAN'S HATE..


pegasian   April 26th, 2010 8:40 pm ET

Important Note:

In the bible it is only a MAN saying that the scriptures are the words of the Lord.

In the Commandments God states that they are his only true words and that every thing that follows should be questioned if it strays from these commands.

What it comes down to is who's word are you going to take God's or Man's?

I am going with the words of the God of Love and rejecting the hateful words of Man.


Joseph-St-Francis   April 26th, 2010 8:44 pm ET

JR take some of your own advise and do a thorough systymatic study of Scripture and maybe you'll be able to understand the word and what it really says about homosexuality. Have you read my blogs dirrected for you. Can't you understand them? Is that why you can't reply back to me, apart from quoting a passage or lifting a verse out of context. This is a classic response from Fundamentalists who can't intellectualize what they believe in. This is how the Bible gets misused they try to use it to speak for them when they can't speak for themselfs. It's a stupid as the present Islamist Fundamentalist who's blaming women for earthquakes. They're all wacked!


pegasian   April 27th, 2010 1:25 am ET

Deuteronomy 4
Moses Urges Israel to Obey
1 "And now, Israel, listen carefully to these decrees and regulations that I am about to teach you. Obey them so that you may live, so you may enter and occupy the land that the LORD, the God of your ancestors, is giving you." 2 Do not add to or subtract from these commands I am giving you. Just obey the commands of the LORD your God that I am giving you.


Joseph-St-Francis   April 27th, 2010 6:38 am ET

Jessie from Auckland, NZ you state: “The Seventh Day Adventist do not eat pork and this could be purely for health reasons.” No, you got it wrong. It’s because SDA’s are Judaizers—based on a heretical Gnostic group within the early Church. The New Testament speaks of them often. These Judaizers are people who considered the Mosiac law still binding. Observance of the Sabbath instead of Sunday, circumcision, and keeping the severe dietary laws were the principal customs they wanted to keep.

This is why the SDA’s worship on a Saturday, and don’t eat pork, they force people to follow Jewish customs (Gal. 2:14). As for Judaizers and SDA’s the Mosaic Law is the basis of their religion, whereas neither the early Church, nor authentic mainline Christianity do not consider the "Mosaic Laws" binding on Christians. This is why you went on a rampage quoting your pig passages, because the SDA’s has you thinking like a Judaizer.

However, though you’re not aware of it you make a good point. The point is you stressed how much the Law concerning clean and unclean animals has been mentioned outside the Holiness Code (Leviticus chapters 17-26). The passage Fundamentalists like to quote on the prohibition of male-on-male sex is in chapter 18; however, it occurs nowhere else.

On the other hand other prohibitions of the Holiness Code recur in other places of the Old Testament. As you listed the prohibition of:

1. Eating pork is mentioned inside the Holiness Code (Lev. 11), and outside of the Code (Deuteronomy 14:1-29; Isaiah 65:2-4; 66:17).
2. Bestiality is mentioned inside the Holiness Code (Lev. 18:23; 20:15-16), and outside of it (Exodus 22:18; Deuteronomy 27:21).
3. Incest is mentioned inside the Holiness Code (Lev. 18:6-18; 20:11-12, 14, 17, & 19-21), and outside of it (Deuteronomy 22:30; 27:20, & 22-23). And what all married and divorced heterosexuals should be concerned about—namely,
4. Adultery is mentioned inside the Holiness Code (Lev. 18:20 & 20:10), and outside of the Code (Exodus 20:14; Numbers 5:11-31; Deuteronomy 5:18; & 22:22-27).

The point of what I’m emphasizing is all these other offensives (e.g. adultery) are forbidden in various contexts, but male-on-male sex is mentioned only in the Holiness Code.

“Modern biblical scholars believe Leviticus to be almost entirely from the priestly source, marked by emphasis on priestly concerns, composed 550–400 BC, and incorporated into the Torah 400 BC” (The Catholic Encyclopedia). The first 16 chapters and the last chapter make up the Priestly Code, whereas, chapters 17-26 contains the Holiness Code.

You see the three passages in all the New Testament where St. Paul speaks on same-sex copulation is in relation to religious prostitution within the context of idol worship, as does the whole of Scripture. The Holiness Code, and the passage Fundamentalists like to use as their favorite (Lev. 18:22) originally established the connection between idolatry and same sex copulation, as the passage before it forbids idol worship to Molach (Lev. 18:21). This is because the Code specifically warns the Israelites against accepting the idolatrous practices of the Canaanites, NOT for the prohibition against a loving same-sex relationship between two consenting adults.

In all mainline authentic Christianity follows the Law of the Gospel, not the Mosaic Law. And no matter which way you look at it the bottom line is Jesus says NOTHING about homosexuality, but he says a lot about adultery, and divorce.


JR   April 27th, 2010 9:33 pm ET

You are lost in your sins. Cry out to Jesus Christ and repent of your sins and accept Jesus Christ in your heart. Say it out loud and mean it.

Read the following:

Romans chapter 10 v.9 "that if you confess with your mouth the Lord Jesus and believe in your heart that God has raised Him from the dead, you will be saved."


Joseph-St-Francis   April 28th, 2010 1:46 am ET

JR is that the only thing you can come up with an elementry precept of the faith? It's quite evident anyone who has read my blogs above would know that I'm not only a Christian, but I understand the mysteries of the faith in a deeper, far superior way than you do. It's fine if you understand the Bible from a fourth grade perspective, as long as you are in the fourth grade. You need a lot of spiritual growth to do if you're going to excell in the faith. Get out of elementry school Mr. Christian Taliban, because you are pathetically flunking your grades.

Note in regards to Fundamentalists and Islam, the Taliban implements one of the strictest interpretation of Sharia law ever seen in the Muslim world, this is also true with Christians Fundamentalists and their religious beliefs.


B   April 28th, 2010 4:49 am ET

Wow once again we see Christians stoning others rather than listening. For those who have responded on here with "What version of the Bible is Jennifer reading?" I ask have you read and searched this topic for yourself or do you rely on the catchy headlines you get on Sunday morning.

The Bible also says he who is without sin cast the first stone. This when everyone was going to stone a prostitute. It also says that we are not to judge one another and that is ONLY God's job. I think our Jewish brother makes a good point.

I am a christian and I have friends who are gay and Christians. I at first didn't understand but these were my friends and I wasn't going to turn my back on them. Someone mentioned that sin is an abomination. means detestable. This same word is used in the Bible when discussing many types of sin.

If we as Christians live by the actions of Christ his message was love .....the Bible says love is the greatest law love your brother like yourself.....if you have no love it is as a clanging bell. The Bible does not make an example of homosexuality being a greater sin than any other.

Fact is we as Christians commit sin every day no matter how hard we try we cannot avoid sin. One sin is not greater than anyother and we cannot judge our brothers we just are supposed to love them. If we as Christians don't stop doing this to homosexuals how can we welcome them into the body of Christ?

I don't think that it is any of our business what goes on between two people in the privacy of their home. If we cannot honestly deal with this issue in churches with love how will we ever unite?


JR   April 28th, 2010 7:00 pm ET

You are trying to justify your ungodly behaviors and attitudes to support your twisted beliefs and your own interpretation of the Bible to fit your lifestyle. The Bible is clear but you do not want to accept the truth and face reality. Turn away from your evil ways.

Read Psalm 53 v1.

"The fool has said in his heart there is no God. They are corrupt, and have done abominable iniquity; There is none who does good."


JR   April 28th, 2010 7:47 pm ET

@Joseph-St-Francis

Seeing that you cannot understand at the 4th grade level, how can I explain any complex and logical matters.

A true God fearing and Bible believing Christian will stand up to the Word of God. The Word of God is sharper than any two edged sword.


pegasian   April 28th, 2010 10:33 pm ET

JR-

God warned in the commandments NOT to interpret anything else as his word. EVERYTIME you are quoting the bible (written by MAN) as the word of the Lord, You are committing the commandment sin of blasphemy by taking the Lord's name in vain. Do a little reading in your precious bible you will find it there yourself.

Deuteronomy 4
Moses Urges Israel to Obey
1 "And now, Israel, listen carefully to these decrees and regulations that I am about to teach you. Obey them so that you may live, so you may enter and occupy the land that the LORD, the God of your ancestors, is giving you." 2 Do not add to or subtract from these commands I am giving you. Just obey the commands of the LORD your God that I am giving you.

You keep saying that when a sinner is aware of a sin they should just stop it.....take your own advise and stop sinning against the Lord. He allows you to quote the commandments in his name NOT the bible of Man.


pegasian   April 28th, 2010 10:38 pm ET

JR-

Commandment 7

"You shall not misuse the name of the LORD your God, for the LORD will not hold anyone guiltless who misuses his name.

You are sinning directly against the Lord.


Gabriel   April 29th, 2010 12:55 am ET

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I need to give Jennifer a gift after the tunnel vision she endured on your show.
This Pastor Botsford is not aware that there are two classes of Christians: The meek will inherit the Earth in the 2nd resurrection, those that Jesus made a covenant for a Kingdom (Luke 22:28)) will be resurrected incorporeally in the 1st resurrection. "Men lying with men," is forbidden and even marriage is debated, of those to be resurrected to be "kings and priest for a thousand years with Christ" because they are to live as those spirit beings even while still living on Earth, it only applies to them that "they neither marry or are given in marriage" as in incorporeal has no need of it. Levitical Law is not Christian. Keep in mind the scriptures after the "Gospels" are written by and for those that are to be resurrected a incorporeal beings (1 Corinthians 7:34).

This is the wisdom that ends the argument for her: The meek will inherit the Earth and marry whom they wish, the resurrected incorporeally "are neither married or given in marriage."

"The meek and I" is a song she needs to write to heal and grow.


terry   April 29th, 2010 11:18 am ET

Pearls to the swine... Why debate the elete homosexual crowd and their defenders. They already have all of the answers and like Knapp admitt that they know the gay lifestyle is sin. Like Romans 1 says they have been given over to reprobate mind. What they belive is right, is right to them. Their inability to respond to a Holy God will end with their own demise. What we can do is pray. In the LK interveiw, she already had all of the answers. Their whole comminity has all of the answers because they have been given over to a mind that does not recognize sin. Stop throwing pearls to the swine!!! She has heard the message and rejected it. If she beleives that she can live the gay life w/o repenting because some she is 'onced saved always saved,' she should consider the fact that that she may not be saved. What shall we say, shall we live in sin that grace may abound... GOD forbid!!!!


caesar   May 4th, 2010 5:58 pm ET

we as believers should not label homosexual behavior as a different form of sin as all else because we all have been born sinners (romans 5:12-21) and none can obtain salvation through own own (Isaiah 64:6). Only through Christ can anyone be saved (Acts 4:12).Now does having same sex attraction a sin? no because we are all tempted to sin just as much Jesus was tempted to sin in every way yet Jesus did not sin (Hebrews 4:15). We are all tempted to do something sinful but the act of doing it is committing sin (James 1:13-15).
We should ask is it ok to engage in homsexual behavior and still be a christian? I know there are some who think certain words were interpreted wrong and not "truely translated right? are those people right? remember we as believers are called to test everything ( 1 Thessalonians 5:21). Just because we feel something is right in our own heart does not make it right in the first place because our own hearts are wicked (Mark 7:15-23). That is why we spend time in the Bible to be changed an transformed to be like Christ(Romans 12:1-3). We can't change on our own but its the Spirit the convicts (John 16:12-14) and are shown what to pursue (1 Timothy 6:11;1 Corinthians 9-20).
As believers we are to put of the things of the flesh (Colossians 3:1-17) because we were bought with a price and belong to God(Romans 8:8-10) and have new life to live in Christ (Romans 6:5-7). If some still think that true believers "misinterpreted the words" in some scripture then you have take in account some things.1) All scripture is God breathed (2 Timothy 3:16) and as I already stated to test everything.2)Search the scriptures just as the Bereans did daily to show what was spoken is true (Acts 17:11). This is why when I point out things I give scriptural support.3) respond according. After you search all scripture make a decision. Will you listen to your own beliefs or what the Bible says.
I want to give one last thing. Even you some of you still say that you feel it's still ok to be walking in the Lord and still engage in homosexual behavior then I ask that you read Genesis 19:1-11 and just ask yourself if you think your view is ok then why did Lot respond the way he did? Remember we all sinned. I need to follow Christ as I do. I need to resist things such as lust and adultery in the heart but sometime i fail at that. there is a difference between a willful sinner and a sinner who wants to be more like Christ and sin less daily.which one are you?(Romans 7-Romans 8)


Oliver   May 7th, 2010 8:30 pm ET

Exodus 35:2 Work on Sunday and you will be put to death. How interesting that the Bible quoters always so conveniently pick and choose what pleases them from scripture. I imagine that they can ignore the word of God depending on their mood.


mj777   May 20th, 2010 3:41 am ET

At some point, everyone in this world is going to have to face the reality that within each of us is a constant craving for perfect love, perfect acceptance, perfect peace, perfect joy, and for meaning and purpose that extends beyond the grave. In each of us there is a constant craving for LIFE! Try hard if you will to fulfill that inner craving through the relationships and things of this world, but I can testify that I have been down that road and found that no matter how much of the fame, fortune, and pleasure I obtained, it always ran out and left me craving for more. Until I met Jesus...

John 7:37 – On that day Jesus stood and said with a loud voice, "If a person is thirsty, let him come to me and drink. If a person believes in me, rivers of living water will flow out from his heart."

Are you losing your faith in this world? Are you trying to find someone who will love you when no one is around? There is hope for you.

Turn to Jesus – the only one who can satisfy the deepest needs of your soul.


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