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March 3, 2010

Larry King Live Wednesday!

Posted: 07:24 PM ET

Outrage over convicted sexual offenders set free...only to attack again! What’s being done to stop it? Chelsea King’s alleged killer is linked to an earlier assault in the same area. Could her death have been prevented?

Mark Klaas’ daughter, Polly, was killed by a man out on parole. And Phillip Garrido served just 10 years of a 50 year sentence – and is now charged with kidnapping Jaycee Duggard! Tonight hear from Mark Klaas and the woman whose rape and abduction first put Duggard behind bars!

Plus, Larry talks to the parents of Amber DuBois, who went missing over a year ago just miles from where Chelsea King was found. Are their cases related?

SHOULD THERE BE TOUGHER LAWS FOR SEX OFFENDERS?

We want to hear from you!

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Joanne   March 3rd, 2010 7:30 pm ET

What a no-brainer question. Of course there should be tougher laws on sex offenders. How many more repeat offenders who get out on parole or serve short sentences, and then kill another child do there have to be before they stop letting these monsters back on the streets?


Maria Copelli   March 3rd, 2010 8:04 pm ET

It is shocking to learn that ,these felons are released way too soon into the public,just to do the same horrible crimes! Yet some stay in jail,for much lesser crimes.It is a sad commentary,on the laws here,these innocent people were not protected,and why?This has got to be changed.Hoing in a new Tomorrow,.......Maria C.


A. Smith, Oregon   March 3rd, 2010 8:10 pm ET

America's massive prison system was enacted to deal with violent criminals. There is absolutely no sane reason why they sexual predators are turned loose again and again which enable them to hunt down and attack further victims.

There is no ethical nor moral reason why the Christian organizations would move a suspected or known sexual predator to another church or parish in another State so that Christian priest would do the same horrific crimes to a new group of unsuspecting victims.

In a prison system filled with non violent illegal drug offenders, the worst of the worst violent criminals are given short sentences and shown the door with early release. In a sane world this makes entirely no sense whatsoever. However, this is a reoccurring pattern and American's must ask themselves why this is happening?

American's rank and file can scream and yell against the blind US Justice being applied in such cases, but that in no way changes the ongoing fact these serial predators are released so that they can hunt down new victims with a very high degree of probability.

Some very sick officals must be benefiting from doing this. Is it the American prison system in general, and all of the Billions of tax payer dollars they consume? US Justice Dept. who certainly was aware of the thousands of Christian priests who were accused and convicted of serial sex offenses, but blocked charges against the leaders that shielded and protected them?

Who is benefiting from shielding and protecting these serial sexual offenders?


A. Smith, Oregon   March 3rd, 2010 8:19 pm ET

Larry King asks, 'SHOULD THERE BE TOUGHER LAWS FOR SEX OFFENDERS?'

The answer seems entirely obvious, Yes of Course!

The solution however is entirely missing in action.

Why is there even a need for Larry King to ask the question?

Why is the US Justice Dept. shielding and thru early releases enabling these serial predators to violate multiple new victims?

Why is the US Justice Dept. protecting Christian leaders that shielded and obstructed investigations and convictions of suspected and charged serial sex offenders?

Who is ordering the US Justice Dept. to do what Americans rank and file entirely disagree with?


Horsegirl   March 3rd, 2010 8:36 pm ET

We should have either life or death sentences for sex-offenders!


PATRICIA WIN   March 3rd, 2010 8:37 pm ET

As a mother,I too feel disgust/anger at any helpless child being harmed.
But,Adams'laws &similar ones have NOT been successful at protecting children more! Putting more and more NON-DANGEROUS people on the registry, takes up more time by law enforcement & the courts. Too many crimes that used to be misdemeanors are now felonies.This creates more fear but less understanding. NON-DANGEROUS people on the registry take attention away from those who REALLY need closer observation (i.e.Garrido case).These type of cases arouse strong emotions.This is understandable. But,the laws should not be changed according to hysteria,i.e. Nancy Grace, Wendy Murphy and Fox drama-driven, sound-bite "news" stories.Of course opportunistic politicians love it. There are much better ways to deal with this problem. Countries like England,Scotland&Canada are doing good work.COSA is an example that works with potentially dangerous sex offenders. But we SHOULD begin by fine tuning the registry& get the people off it who are NOT DANGEROUS!


Joyce   March 3rd, 2010 8:38 pm ET

Everybody knows there is no cure for these sexual criminals! Lock them up forever or put them to death. If we don't they will continue to murder our children! Disgusting!


lola   March 3rd, 2010 8:57 pm ET

The death penalty is a definite cure to ALL sex offenders. It should be used in all sexual crimes against children. The judges who let this criminals out early only to harm other victims should take full responsibility and be fired. Enough is enough!!!!! How many more innocents must be harmed before laws are changed??????


SUETIGGERS   March 3rd, 2010 9:31 pm ET

The present sex offender laws help lawyers work less and make a lot more money !In fact the present laws help opportunistic politicians get citizens riled up,chronically frightened of the boogieman and elect them even though they may be the worst people to have in office. The present laws help overzealous states attorneys with their eye on a bigger prize, sound-bite, drama-driven media that cares more about ratings than truth. ALL of these groups benefit from the present laws. The really truly dangerous predators like Phillip Garrido benefit as well because the registry is now so packed with people who are NOT DANGEROUS, it keeps the cops busier and dilutes their attention to them. So, in the long run, our children are protected LESS, not more ....
But, the story sells well. That's why we have these outrageous laws. Americans have been hoodwinked into a false sense of security. But it's one that the curious, the nosy, the unthinking, irrational ,RABID over-reactors absolutely love !!!


Cathy   March 3rd, 2010 9:41 pm ET

My husband is a retired officer. He has said for years that we are monitoring and restricting many who should not be. It takes far too much time to keep up with everyone on the registry. The registry is saturated with cases of consensual teen sex, teenagers engaged in computer chat. Here in TX we place those caught urinating outside on the registry, streakers can also be put on the registry. WE HAVE TO USE COMMON SENSE AND MAKE THE REGISTRY FOR THE TRULY DANGEROUS PREDATORY TYPES OF INDIVIDUALS. It would make monitoring and tracking a lot easier for law enforcement.


Dodie   March 3rd, 2010 9:44 pm ET

It is well established that sex offenders continue with the same crimes after incarceration. Therefore, the obvious… why are laws not being changed to accommodate these horrific acts. Once again, we need to look to congress and wonder… what on earth is going on with our lawmakers! Why are they not getting it? What part of horrific sex crimes and death, do they not understand? What would be different if it happened to their daughter, wife, sister or aunt?


ark Chenarides   March 3rd, 2010 10:01 pm ET

I grew up in the 60's, It was rare that a predator took a child and violated them or killed them to hide their crime. When caught and convicted they were sentenced to death or life in prison. A one strike law is at hand here. but without the bureaucracy that amends bills that at some point become a new business for offenders. A simple law, if you rape,violate a child, then you are off the street for good. This is America and our children are our future.


Oliver Deegan   March 3rd, 2010 10:22 pm ET

Larry:
California is broken in more ways than financially. The penalty for rape is 4, 6, or 8 years. Six is the normal term, 8 is for aggravated circumstances and four is for mitigated circumstances. And get this, the fine penalty is ONLY $70. What an insult to women.


David   March 3rd, 2010 10:24 pm ET

This is a terrible deed. I am glad you inform public. However, I like to learn facts and when you have angry hosts speaking under rage they do not appear very credible. For example solution such as "posting signs in the park after the first incident of assault has happend." Please think about it for a second. What would kind of effect woould a sign "watch out sex offender in the area" have? That would only cause chaos and panic. Maybe they could have reinforced the police supervision, which they might have done but that we do not know.

Anyway, people like facts not so much opinions. Not mentioning Michelle Bachmann. She had very little or no facts and she tried to work with emotional appeal. People who have any sort of power should know the facts prior to making decisions and prior to getting on air.


justinnitsul   March 3rd, 2010 10:26 pm ET

FYI The problem with sex offenders is that society allows for it to happen to begin with. Case studies show that sex offenders are indeed products of their upbringing and environment. This means that if you take the percentage of sex offenders of each age then you can figure out what percentage of American children are being affected in this way each year. After that is accomplished one can narrow in on what exactly is happening to these people that drives them to do these things. We need to start taking the TIME to get to the ROOT of the problems so we can take care of them before they COST us BILLIONS.
So I will be the first to say it. We live in a society where it is hard to get someone to listen who cares without paying for it, so it is no wonder that people act out in these ways. It also doesn't help that we live in a culture where "The Strange" is looked at with fear and thus dealt with in ignorant aggression, however, this never achieves anything. It is like putting a patch on a suface that keeps cracking. You have to fix the FOUNDATION to fix the surface. This means making counseling available to every American at ANY time at ANY AGE. If children are encouraged to come forth when they are young then and treated well for doing so then they will be likely to seek help in the future BEFORE they even make the mistake. Oh wow, there is a way to PREVENT problems by thinking of them before they occur? How would I have ever figured that out on my own. Rofl.


justinnitsul   March 3rd, 2010 10:42 pm ET

Also, I don't know why this guy waas let go from prison. Probably to make room for another pothead or some petty criminal. Maybe if we spent less time trying to lock up people who are only hurting themselves or committing crimes that don't directly hurt an individual, we would be able to afford to keep these people behind bars longer. Really it comes down to logical reasoning and until the MAJORITY of people learn how to use it then the madness will continue.
Let's face it, we have to fix our societal infrasructure before we ever hope to advance. Part of this means that we have to seriously decide what is worth spending money on and what isn't. This means decriminalizing those things that are not violent and haneous so we can better address those issues that are as such.
We have been doing things the same way for over a hundred years and it isn't working, I think it is time that we overhall the system starting with criminal law and procedure. The best way to do that is to support an individual who believes passionately in the matter and will do what it takes to bring true reform. No run along and tell the people who if you get to the ROOT of a problem then you can effectively remove it from the equation entirely 🙂


Diane Kay   March 3rd, 2010 10:44 pm ET

Where is the Sex Affender Registry?


michael armstrong sr.   March 3rd, 2010 10:58 pm ET

Ok Judge your wright here now pass the death penalty .


Jake M.   March 3rd, 2010 11:15 pm ET

I'm a high school student and I'm very interested in raising awareness among the student population with issues such as these. I'm looking to contact the woman who spoke passionately regarding the "junk justice". I missed her name however, does anyone know?


A. Smith, Oregon   March 4th, 2010 12:00 am ET

Drug offenders fill up America's massive prison population and languish in prison for lengthy sentences, whereas serial predators of women and children receive short sentences and often don't serve their full prison sentence!


Dodie   March 4th, 2010 12:17 am ET

@ gracie

I don't know what state you make reference; however, in California, there has to be a preponderance of evidence. Someone saw the crime and knew the suspect, The child disclosed the crime and suspect and that is still not enough for prosecution. If penetration within 6-8 hours, the child submits to an examination with parent's consent. forensic interviewing of children behind a one way mirror with the DA, lawyer, Police, social services investigator watching and taping. Many receive no formal charges as the evidence is unsubstantial. I would also assume, some people can slip through the cracks....


Cathy   March 4th, 2010 12:27 am ET

Unfortunately in TX there only has to be an accusation and it it off to the registry.


Ric Moore   March 4th, 2010 12:58 am ET

Folks, here's the real skinny. 90% of new sexual abuse victims are created not by those on the registry, but by family, friends of family or personal friends known by the victim. In other words, the registry has a 90% failure rate.

Worse, it gives a false sense of security when you pinpoint an offender that lives close by to keep an eye on, and no one is looking under their own roof. Think of the massive amounts of tax payer dollars being spent on this failed experiment in fascism, while crying about no funds being available for education.

So, who is really about "No More Victims"? Not these media attention seekers. Not when they don't present the facts so readily found on the Department of Justice website.


brian   March 4th, 2010 1:49 am ET

California needs to implement a REAL death penalty. The problem is these predators hide behind a prison sentence, knowing that even though they get the death penalty, they have at least 20 years to live in a cell that is comparable to the lowest motel. By that, I mean, they have TV, some have internet, they get fed, have a fitness center, etc. What needs to happen is the moment someone gets convicted and sentenced to death, they should be put to death within a month. This would put a completely different spin on the offenders that haven't been caught yet, because they will see that if you get caught, you will die.
I don't want to hear anything about an innocent person, either. If you were even somehow connected to a crime, you probably had something to do with it, or you weren't doing right by the law to begin with. I believe they call it collateral damage. If a couple of innocent people are killed in the name of justice and keeping these horrific events from happening, then so be it. Think of it this way...we are already seeing innocent people being killed and traumatized–the victims. Wouldn't you rather it be the offender instead? And with our forensic science today, the chance of the link between the victim and the perpetrator being wrong is extremely rare.


Frederick   March 4th, 2010 2:03 am ET

The parents or "caregiver" who is responsible for raising these sex predators should be investigated in every case. Most sex offenders/serial killers/rapists come from a home environment with some sort of mental/sexual abuse. This might make parents take a closer look at how they raise their children, and take more of an interest in their children, instead of sitting them in front of a video game or a television set while the parents go on selfishly living their own lives, knowing that if their son/daughter turns into a murderer or rapist, THEY could be charged with a crime as well. I'm just saying something extreme needs to be done here, and lawyers aren't going to want that to happen because they'll lose out on all the monies made from case after case, appeal after appeal.


A. Smith, Oregon   March 4th, 2010 4:23 am ET

The Republican Party of NO in action against the American people:

There are now 290 bills that have passed the US Congressional House that are simply waiting for a vote in the US Senate. At least 80 bills are of large significance and many of which were passed on a bipartisan basis, and yet they are all stuck and on hold by the obstruction tactics of the Republican Senators of NO.

It is a very calculated and cynical strategy to try and bring the work of the American people to a halt and blame it on the Democratic majority and the Democratic led Administration of President Obama.

I hope American's wake up and realize that the Republican party of NO is severely hurting Americans and vote the Republicans out of office during the upcoming fall elections.


Jeffrey Davis Campbell Jr.   March 4th, 2010 4:27 am ET

As surely as there is a God above. When/if convicted this man will not draw breath as a free man in my United States. We have our own justice in this Dirty South and it is exacted, because All is as God wills it.


FocusOnTheFactsNotTheFeelings   March 4th, 2010 6:34 am ET

"It is well established that sex offenders continue with the same crimes after incarceration. Therefore..."

False statement not backed up by the facts. The U.S. Department of Justice reports that treated sex offenders have among the lowest recidivism rates out of all categories of crimes reported.

Really people, ranting and raving about how sex offenders serve very little time compared to say drug offenders, or how they are incurable and will never stop, or how they should all be put to death – how are ignorant, malicious hate slogans like this helping???


Hannah   March 4th, 2010 6:40 am ET

I n my opinion if you have been found guilty of sex offending,pedophilia then you must remain in prison for the rest of your life. If you're 16 or 60....the same penalty. Once is one too many...no 2nd chances.. I'm just curious...... California is releasing many prisoners ... I do hope none are for sexual crimes.


Sonny   March 4th, 2010 7:12 am ET

In the Middle-East, sex offenders are stoned to death. NO MERCY.

Likewise, in the rest of the world, extreme and very dangerous sex offenders must be put to death (by lethal injection or electric chair). NO MERCY, NO PRISON TERM.


Patrick from BâIe   March 4th, 2010 9:17 am ET

There are two areas of human existence that, at the present time, under the present awareness of the human entelechy, mankind is not going to be able to deal with effectively: Food and Sex–inherent survival drives! Basically, we have evolved to a point where we deal with them the best we can; you do or you don't, it's good or bad, incarceration or not, etc. Polarities are fundamentaly the best we have to offer and perhaps the reason why the effects of these, "concupiscenses" are and will continue to worsen. In other words, we are failing. Is man destined to succumb to his polarites? Does he need a "middle" between; right and wrong, good and bad, moral and immoral, supply and demand, etc. Perhaps it could be said discretely, "everything based on polarities will unfortunately, in the end fail!" Is there an undiscovered 'middle' and how do we apply it to, food, sex, and everything else, for that matter? Let's put it this way, it's like "breath"–the breath of life, but it's still a secret. 'Breath' is not goverened by polarities. Even though we breath in and out, it's not governed by, right or wrong, good or bad, etc. What is breath and where does it come from? Funny enough, breathing does lie between the mouth, the stomach and the reproductive organs. Look for something new, like what's behind 'breathing', something which hovers on the horizon of modern human awareness, make it a cultural progression, a new impulse and we can begin to embrace and balance our basic survival drives. The alternative is more breathing, mostly out, in disgust and dismay at how unaffective we are in dealing with and being able to affectively balance these two basic human survival instincts and drives.


Shelomith Stow   March 4th, 2010 9:49 am ET

We don't need "tougher;" we need "smarter." What we have and are doing isn't working. Why do we think doing more of the same would work any better? The registry needs total overhauling. Everyone whose offenses were consensual, non-violent, juvenile, misdemeanor, and/or non-contact need to be removed from the registry. Those offenses then need to be handled in juvenile court, as misdemeanors, whatever is appropriate for the offense and age of those involved, but they should not be given the label of sex offender and placed on a registry. When the Girrardos and the Leggses and the Sowells and the Gardners are the only ones remaining on the registry, law enforcement will be able to keep their focus where some real benefit can be seen.


Ted   March 4th, 2010 9:51 am ET

The death penalty is a final solution and it should be applied only in case of 100% proof of the crime.
We should not even consider such penalty if a case is based on circumstantial evidence, because just too many people are put in jail on pure lies or fabricated evidences by the police and/or attorney general who want to show success in clearing up a case and are ready to commit a devious crime to do it!!
You just have to count the number of released prisoners where DNA tests proved that they did not commit the crime.

On the other hand, such rapist/killers with repeat crimes as this gentleman is, there should not be other solution, but to burn him.
It costs the taxpayers $45,000 a year to feed, house and entertain a prisoner. In this case it could add up to 2 million dollars by the time he decides to visit his ancestors and that money could be put to a better use.

Why does it take up to 20 years to carry out a death sentence is beyond any intelligent reasoning. There is something wrong with our judicial system when they cannot move such a case through all levels within a year or two.


Navajo Joe   March 4th, 2010 1:12 pm ET

@Sue Tiggers

Your ability to describe what Ken and yourself suffered through is very compelling and leaves no room for doubt. It is the part of our justice system we never hear about or want to hear about, the innocent accused and the innocent found guilty.

It's as much a part of our lives as anything else and work must be done to stop or reduce the frequencies it occurs. In Texas there is, like in the entire country the INNOCENCE PROJECT's, which is viable, but very slow and tedious to accomplish true justice.

Recently, in the last day. a gentleman found guilty of a horrific crime, was posthumously granted a pardon. It is a small consolation for the life he endured to death, but his name was cleared for the pardon his family needed, also. It is very unfortunate our justice system does not have a greater concern to publicly retract damage done to innocent's when they are exonerated .


Navajo Joe   March 4th, 2010 2:27 pm ET

@Sue Tiggers

I failed to give his name...Tim Cole...he died in prison...innocent..


Mauizoo   March 4th, 2010 8:19 pm ET

Based on the consensus of the 60 comments on this subject, I ask:

What is the first thing any one of us can do right now to change these laws?

It is up to each and everyone of us to act NOW.

I'm ready. Give me some direction.


Luis B Rosario   March 4th, 2010 8:30 pm ET

@Tusau
You sound like a CRJ student. Your information appears to be
factual and impartial.


M. J. McKinney   March 4th, 2010 10:17 pm ET

I hope Mr. & Mrs. King will start some sort of a movement to enact much stronger laws for these predators that prey on our daughters. I am sure they would have the support of every mother and father in America. I am so very tired of seeing case after case of these sick people being released to offend again and again and feeling helpless to do anything about it. If this happened to one of the senator's daughters or a congressman's daughter, maybe then something would get done. My prayers are with the King family and I commend them for their courage and strength at this time.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 4th, 2010 10:25 pm ET

@Survivor/Offender

Tough life you will live...it seems very genuine what you have said..about yourself and what little you said about your victim's....You seem very intelligent, so I ask you this..Why couldn't you seek help rather than a victim? I am not above forgiving you, nor you below being forgiven...Just give us an idea why you sought out an innocent and punished them...first. I believe you must have a viable answer that you can accept..for me, your going to have to be damn convincing. Random victim should not be an answer...


steve   March 4th, 2010 10:27 pm ET

People who comit these these types of crimes have an obvious screw loose somewhere in their brain. Killing is wrong, under any circumstance except in self-defense or the defense of the innocent. The death penalty is wrong. We need to be careful not to become what we despise! Killers! Of course, this person should be kept out of society for the rest of his life!

That being said, my sympathy for the Kings, and the parents of this screwed up person. I'm sure his parents didn't want this any more than Chelsea's parents did, and they get nothing but hatred from everyone.

We need love and understanding in our hearts, not hatred.


steve   March 4th, 2010 10:40 pm ET

For those who think these predators always repeat their crimes, go on the Megan's law website. There are so many sex offenders, it's crazy. If all of these were to repeat their crimes, I think we would be seeing many more of these types of crimes. In my small city, there are 12 or 13. In the surrounding cities, there are hundreds. If they are all bound to repeat, I think we would be seeing many more rapes and murders. That being said, this guy should never have been released so early, and should have had much more counselling before being released.


steve   March 4th, 2010 10:49 pm ET

Brace for alot more of these and other crimes. The governor is releasing thousands of people due to "budgetary" reasons? We need to return to having a "Department of Corrections", instead of a "Department of Punishment!" We need to make sure that released people are tracked and have access to professional help so that when they're feeling whatever crazy feeling that causes this type of action, they have someone to go to. Where did this country's compassion go? It seems artificially present, because it seems to only exist for victims in high profile cases, but is almost non-existent otherwise. Looking at comments from admitted child molestors on this blog, I wonder if legalizing prostitution would help. If this guy could have gotten a hooker, would he still have done this? Just wondering.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 4th, 2010 11:36 pm ET

@steve

The whole system is broken...it is among the worse in the world...Volumes of improprieties....little in the way of true reform.


Cajazz76:24:8   March 4th, 2010 11:45 pm ET

@sonny

In the Middle East adulterer's...women are stoned to death...put into bags and stoned... men... the blade. But child molester's and rapist's abound..Under the Sharia...Islamic Law...you must have 3 or 4 witnesses that have seen you commit your crime or a confession before a conviction. .They're system is as badly broken as our own. No easy fix..no easy answer's. A start would be breaking down a few wall's that make the subject's unspeakable taboo.


Vaughn   March 5th, 2010 1:17 am ET

Larry
i agree with Mr and Mrs King,i think that offenders should be locked up at their first offence,i live with 2 offenders within a block of my apartment in wellington,ohio
1 is a tier 3 offender....why is he out of prison?
why should he be able to live the life we do and we have to worry about our kids even more than normal.
I say they hurt anyone,lock them up for life or kill them,
Vaughn
Ps for the king family,i am so sorry for your lose,my prays are with you.


Dodie   March 5th, 2010 1:32 am ET

@ steve

Until you work in the field, you have NO conception how many children are molested and women raped! Much of it does not even make it to the courts, as there is not enough evidence. At best, the perp receives a DOJ letter and that is it! It is tragic and horrible.

How would you feel if a 5 year old told you that her mouth hurts and a man’s white stuff was sticky and “tasted bad”! How would you feel if a child told you she will not say anything as she is tired of being removed from the home…..every time she is honest. How would you feel going to the hospital and seeing the surgeons trying to piece a 6-month-old baby back together because it was sold for sex in order for the mother to obtain drugs? So until you see this on a daily basis… You have absolutely NO idea!!!


Michelle Wilson   March 5th, 2010 2:28 am ET

I speak from first hand experience sex offenders need to be locked up my offender was convicted and only served three months in jail. he was looking at a twenty to life sentence. His Public Defender got him off it was so easy. within three years he was charged again and you guessed it this time he served no jail time. This is absolutly unexceptable since his second offence he has been convicted of attempted murder and again he walks the streets a free man. We have to protect our children and not tolerate this kind of behavior.


SUETIGGERS   March 5th, 2010 2:34 am ET

Michelle,
I'm thinking that what we need is stricter, smarter laws for cases like yours and the one we are presently discussing.

But, it is not smart for these laws to put more NON-DANGEROUS men on the registry. It takes up too much time and resources of police, probation that could be put to better use watching the people who really need to be watched. And if they have physically harmed anyone, they should be put away and this case is proof that therapists, doctors,etc. should be listened to. It's hard to understand why they weren't except that I worked in a hospital for years and in child abuse work and know that psychiatric staff are routinely not respected as much as they should be.


Dodie   March 5th, 2010 3:12 am ET

@ SUETIGGERS

Court proceedings are like a chess game between lawyers... and the health care professionals are not in their element! therefore, many items may be tossed out if the perp has a good lawyer and the DA is not experienced.


Gerald Jolly   March 5th, 2010 3:16 am ET

I am trying to understand why my comment on CASTRATION of these vile perverted individuals was scrubbed from this blog.

Is it possible that some of the censors working for LKL are in fact former convicted sexual offenders, and resent my suggestion of a solution for sexual perverts being sentenced to CASTRATION thereby rendering them impotent???

I sincerely dont understand why my comment on castration was removed from this blog.

It has been medically proven that once a person is nutured his sexual perverse needs are all but completely washed away.

I would ask Cassey Duggard, what her opinion would be on the subject of CASTRATION.


Gerald Jolly   March 5th, 2010 3:29 am ET

AS I look at the photo of the suspected PERVERT that raped and killed the young woman.

Seriously folks,if this person was walking down the street would you consider him a sexual deviate??

Please trust me folks, he fits the typical profile of a deviate sexualoffender, and many of you would say, how do you know that.

The answer is quite simple, I dont know that, and only our justice systen could identify these perverts because they have been caught and convicted, and released way before their sentences were served, but if they had of been castrated and nutured their sexual drive would have been removed.

A person does not have to be a genis to know that, but a family with a young girl would feel a lot safer knowing that these vile creatures would not have the capacity to lust after a sexual need to molest and rape their victim.

It is a medically proven fact that once the testes are removed from a person, he simply looses all desire to copulate.

It's not rocket sience it's an absolute fact.


Luis B Rosario   March 5th, 2010 4:32 am ET

I don't in what state some of you worked in the " field, " but in my
state all sexual misconduct is investigated when there is a
complaint whether that be from a doctor, a social worker, a
family member, a friend or a snitch. Sexual offenses where I
worked and where I live are not taken lightly. On the contrary
we have a sexual predator file, the peoole can go online and
check on the file. Not only women, and female children are
raped, or sexually abused but there are male victims in our file,
too.
Recently a stepfather was wrongly accused of child molestation
where the mother of the child was the only witness and the
accuser representing here child. The defendant is a wealthy
man. He was sentenced to an undetermined amount of years
in jail, after the lead detective presentive evidence against him
as part of the investigation and adjudication of the crime. The
alleged perpetrator was sent to prison. Neighbors began
of the mother began to notice that the detective was frequentlly
visting the mother before the conviction of her husband and
after the conviction. The detective used to park his "unmarked"
car on the woman's driveway at night. Anonymous complaints
were received by the Sheriff"s office and the complaints were
either ignored or listed as unsubstantiated by the people
in charge of investigating official misconduct in the Sheriff's
office.

A review of the case was finally ordered by the court that
found that the mother of the child had concocted the story
of child molestation because her husband had filed for
divorce and she wanted to take possession of his wealth if
he was going to rot in jail. The woman had a bad reputation
as a former stripper and as a liar. The stepfather has been
released from jail and the child has been placed in protective
custody by DCF until further notice. ( I have no idea if the
stepfather will be allow to apply for custody of the child.
As of recently the mother has been arrested for falsely
reporting a crime and lying to prosecutors during a felony
investigation. I don't think that the City of __________ (left
blank ) to protect the victim is actively pursuing any prosecution
of the mother of the child because i believe that there is a
lawsuit against the ciity and against the officer for unlawful
inprisonment and other irregularities committed by the
prosecutor's office and the Sheriff 's office. The detective was
not found guilty of having an affair with the accuser and he
is still working for the " police department," although he is
also known to have more allegations of misconduct against
him on his file. He has been charged with police brutality and
charged with lying to investigators and producing altered or
planted evidence but so far the complaints have been
dismissed despite that the City was forced to dismiss a case
where the detective arrested a suspect for possession of
drug paraphernalia, followed by an alleged traffic violation.
I was determined that the detective had had contact
with the accused prior to the arrest and there was bad blood
between the two. There are other allegations agains the
officer regarding his previous employment as a deputy and
corporal in the adjacent precinct where he was apparently
forced to resign. The Sheriff's office of that jurisdiction
refused to comment on the case because the officer's
file was closed and apparently to avoid conflict of interest
on possible repercussions from the ongoing lawsuit.

The moral of this incident is that a wrong man was going
to spend more than ten years in jail for a crime that he did not
commit prompted by his former wife's scorn and criminal behavior.
It can happen the other way where the victim may be afraid
to testify, where witnesses do not come forward or where there
is not enough evidence to corroborate the victim's account, or
where an official investigation was tainted and botched up by
by the police Dept. or by the prosecutor's office.


Ric Moore   March 5th, 2010 5:06 am ET

@Gerald Jolly
If the system worked as it should, castration wouldn't be necessary as the perp would be behind bars for the rest of his life, as a mental patient. If he's the actual offender, which will be determined at trial, I doubt it will be a long walk to prove insanity and that he's pathological. At that point how you view him is a measure of your humanity, not his. Castration of mental patients is highly illegal, as well as immoral.

@ to the rest of this list
There are 3 tiers of sex offenders. Level 1 offenders are least likely to re-offend and are 1st timers. Level 2 would have priors. Level 3 are the offenders to be most concerned about, being extremely violent and pathological. Remember back in the 70's mental hospitals were closed right and left, which is where these people need to be. Thank budget cuts for killing mental health programs. Instead we're supporting neo-nazi fear tactics to draw attention from the lack of proper facilities to put these people and we're losing our humanity in the process. Wake up folks. We're shoving the constitution under the bus.


Luis B Rosario   March 5th, 2010 5:13 am ET

@ Gerald Jolly
I saw your comment before. I don't think that it was deleted.
I don't know if there is enough medical evidence that "castration"
works in all cases because the genitals don't have a brain.
There is nol sexual drive without a brain but even if you castrate
a male, he may still try to hurt a child or an adult for sexual
gratification because the part of the brain that controls the
sexual drive is still intact. I have to consult with an expert
urologist-neurologist surgeon that I know. As far as I know
the brain controls all physical and mental impulses. There can
be no other way- (lobotomy- has been outlawed).


Ric Moore   March 5th, 2010 6:15 am ET

Re: Should there be tougher laws for sex-offenders.
Here's a point to consider. Pathological repeat violent sex offenders are not criminals. They are insane. All of the vehemence being written is directed at insane people. Would you hate someone for losing both of their legs? Then why hate someone that has lost his or her mind? Pity them, yes. Be thankful that you still have your mind, yes. But to hate them and get all vehement AT them reflects a lack of moral character, which I find absolutely appalling. Hate the sin, yes. But those of us that claim to be Christian, are instructed to love the sinner by providing mental health facilities to protect them from their selves, as well as others. How we treat people like Philip Garrido is a mirror to our souls, as a nation. What I'm seeing is a lot of soul sickness being posted here. I hope Brother Larry takes note and takes the high road.


SUETIGGERS   March 5th, 2010 3:04 pm ET

To: Luis Rosario
You sound like you know what you're talking about. These kinds of cases are not so simple and cut and dry as some suggest and that's what makes it difficult. Some states may operate better than others because some states may have smarter, more informed people handling these kind of cases. BUT, because of the present Adam Walsh laws, ALL STATES have entirely too many people on the registry and have made offenses that were misdemeanors and ARE misdemeanors (no one got hurt) into felonies, so this makes it appear that we have more dangerous people to children in our society than we actually do. Of course, when there is a horrific crime like this murder in California, many people believe these kind of predators are in mass numbers...Even one is too many for most of us. However, to catch them and keep them away from kids, we need to CLEAN UP THE REGISTRY, get rid of people who are not dangerous and FOCUS, FOCUS, FOCUS on the dangerous ones or truly possible dangerous ones.
A lot of states do not want to do this....for one this because these laws are a boondoggle to unscrupulous politicians, lawyers and states attorneys who want to make a name for themselves.

Luis Rosario..please join us at Sosen.org, FAST (False allegation Support Team –these cases are the worst because it is horrifying that there ARE truly too many people caught up in the hysteria and who become victims of false accusations by severely dysfunctional children/young people or just very easily manipulated by a vindictive adult..this does happen and not enough people are aware of it) and RSOL (Reform Sex Offender Laws).
I'd love to talk with you. I'm Patricia in Baltimore..any of these groups can connect you with me. I worked in the system for four years (Baltimore and Carroll counties). I saw what you discribed....innocent men getting shafted but usually someone with money got off even if they were guilty as hell.. Carroll county was especially bad for that. Anyway, please join us. We need more people who really GET it, who understand why these overly simplistic solutions aren't real, won't work. We do need SMARTER laws...shelosmith is correct about that. And a child would have been alive if someone had listened to the psychiatric expert. What good is having them if they are not listened to?


Callie   March 5th, 2010 3:11 pm ET

My Love, Prayers, and Healing go out to the King family, to John Walsh, and Marc Klaas, Mr. Lundsford, Mrs. VanDamm, Amber's mom, and their families; as the loss of these precious children are tragedies that cannot be forgotten. God Bless you for the work that you have done in an effort to change the laws on behalf of these children...20 years have passed and for the mostpart the laws have not changed. How many precious children have to die for things to change? What is wrong with our 'judicial system"? I wonder how the judge would rule if his own daughter's body was found? Perhaps they need woman judges with children, to rule on these cases to prevent theses Monsters from ever walking the face of the earth again. They need to enact a law that makes it a 'TERRORIST ACT' to attack/molest/hold captive/murder a child, punishable by death, as that is exactly what they are doing...TERRORIZING OUR CHILDREN. If you have a hospital full of brilliant doctors, does one's I.Q. being slightly lower than the next make him less brilliant? Of course not...he/she is still brilliant. If you have a prison full of violent sex offenders, does that make one's crime less haneous then the next? ABSOLUTELY NOT!.....We should all be held accountable for our actions.
As we have recently observed, WILD ANIMALS CANNOT BE TAMED...THEY WILL ALWAYS DO WHAT COMES NATURALLY TO THEM,.....SO WILL SEX OFFENDERS....4 legged innocent wild animals & Orca's should be released back into the wild, 2 legged MONSTERS should be put to death immediately...or better yet, maybe re-open Alcatraz, put 'em in the hole, and bring the captive Sea World Orca's & Sharks to the island for a little snack. Two problems solved...no tax dollars spent.


Luis B Rosario   March 5th, 2010 5:10 pm ET

@Suetiggers
@Dodie
@ric moore
Sue that last piece of summation that you wrote is beautiful,
concise,concrete and honest. On these cases we have to consider
the amount of publicity until the case borders on sensationalism.
It is good to do justice and perhaps the publicity on some cases
has made us more aware of the conditions that exist now and the
ones that existed in the old days. Conditions have not changed.
Topography and geography have changed. People are the same.
There were pedophiles, murderers and psychopaths since
the beginning of the world. Nero burn Rome while he laughed
and exaulted at the top of a hill. Brutus stabbed Julio Caesar
to death, and so forth. John Walsh has an axe to swing , Mr
Lundsford, and others. Psychologists and psychiatrists are
good like any other bfranch needed in the criminal justice system,
The problems is how are you doing. John Walsh helps a lot-
he also has made a lot of money fighting for these cause. ( I
mean he is not begging on the streets for food and shelter.).
Mr Lunsford has been accused of taking advantage of Jessica's
death to dip into the donations coffers for his own voltion. He
denies any wrongdoing but he is not same country man from
the rural area in Inverness who lost a child in a brutal way.
Larry King and Nancy Grace are great but they do depend on
CNN's ratings and they make a lot of money out of sentionalism."

Do you now how many are killed , maimed, rape, and severely
abused everyday in the United States. The other cases that don't
catch the eye and ears of big time news are not hardly discussed.
These other cases fall down the cracks and into oblivion. I mean
there are all kinds of horrific crimes happening now. But only
one will be singled out by the news and the media to feed them
from 3 days to two weeks. The disproportianate " number of
we care" and hang them from the highest tree clamors justice
and echos in the concience of I'm one those cases why
don't youlook at me too. The answer my friend is blowing in the
wind. But the news is also a business enterprise. That is why the
California child abuse murder has taken all the space of
the media compared to the Catastrophe iin Chile. It is sad
to make the comparison but do you hear anything else about
Chile in the news and media anymore. More that one thousand
people dead, tremendous amount of property loss and the
traumatic scars left behind from the aftermath of mental
and physical decay that will remain on the minds of all concerned
forever. Yet all we hear in the discussion is what shall we do with
sex offenders' : castrate them, put them in jail for life, or execute
them at once. All input is good. We hope the authorities can sort
it out for the good and bad of our advice for the common good.
Do I sound oblivious and sarcastic about this topic because of the way I perceive the good and the bad of the publicity, advising
caution and precaution that sends a nation into a frenzy. " Oh God,
please don't let me misunderstood," as the song goes. The death
of any person is too much but the violent death of child means
a lot more. We cannot discard, we cannot ignore what happened
in this case or any other case involving wanton brutality.


Survivor/Offender   March 5th, 2010 5:44 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

You wrote: Tough life you will live...it seems very genuine what you have said..about yourself and what little you said about your victim's....You seem very intelligent, so I ask you this..Why couldn't you seek help rather than a victim? I am not above forgiving you, nor you below being forgiven...Just give us an idea why you sought out an innocent and punished them...first. I believe you must have a viable answer that you can accept..for me, your going to have to be damn convincing. Random victim should not be an answer...

Thank you for your response.

Any sex offender who wants to heal and never reoffend MUST be genuine, and must keep caring and compassion for others at the forefront of his own recovery. And sex offenders such as myself must never try to defend their behaviors, because these acts ARE unacceptable. No excuses, no defense, PERIOD. What is acceptable is for the sex offender to exhaustively examine and disclose to others his own history of thoughts, feelings and behaviors. By sharing these with treatment specialists and other sex offenders, the offender is able to deconstruct the events (even from earliest chilhood) that led to the offending, and to devise alternate patterns of thought and behavior (called interventions) to avoid repeat offending. It is truly a long journey/story which I have never shared with anyone after prison. I don't seek to convince you or anyone that I am completely cured – but I have definitely improved my chances of creating NO MORE VICTIMS, and, as a bonus, living a new healthy fulfilling life. The core of treatment is in admitting what I have done, accepting full responsibility for the damage I did, accepting that my actions were entirely of my own choosing, and that I can do choose to do something different and that more help is always available if I want to continue to improve my life.

I cannot find the one answer that would satisfy your question. I feebly attempt to explain further below, but the shortest answer I can give is this: I didn't seek help then, but now I know better. I don't have to do what I did ever again 🙂

Why I didn't seek help, but chose instead to create a victim? Everything negative you can imagine – starting with total selfishness. Because I wanted something I couldn't get (and couldn't even figure out what I wanted), and didn't know how to get it appropriately. I took an easier path (doing nothing) and in so doing I violated the lives of my victims – total innocents. Throw in low self-esteem, powerlessness, helplessness, shame about myself, my marriage, my career. I hid all that, (or so I thought) because I felt that I was beyond saving – too many problems, no one is ever going to stand by me, or help me work on these things. Once the offending begins, throw in shame and secretiveness.

I wanted so badly to be loved, accepted, respected, admired. Children will provide these things – often without question. Treatment specialists say that sex offenders are masters of manipulation, but most sex offenders reject this concept at the start of treatment ("if I'm so manipulative why don't I have everything I want in life – a perfect job, a perfect marriage, all the things I want, every thing my way all the time?) Sex offenders learn in treatment that we ARE masters of manipulation vis-a-vis children through something referred to as "black empathy" or the dark side of empathy – we intuitively understood that children can also suffer terribly from fears of rejection and from unfulfiulled needs of acceptance and attention. This is why so many innocents fall prey to sexual abuse from child molesters – the unwanted attention (sexual abuse) becomes acceptable because it IS attention. Recall the story about warm fuzzies vs. cold pricklies and you'll realize that people starved of warm positive 'strokes' will accept the negative kind if that's all they can get.

Now comes the ugly part: Sexuality. That's right. Most sex offenders are very confused about where sexuality belongs in their lives. Of the many sex offenders I shared treatment with, few were able to say that they had experienced normal healthy relationships. They mistakenly think that sexuality is a tool they can use on children to make the child "feel good" without stopping to consider the inappropriateness of sexual contact with a child or the long term consequences of that contact. My own thoughts at the time were literally: "I was molested as a child, and I didn't turn out so bad" WHAT?!??? I am nothing but a sick twisted pervert who molests little children so they "feel good" and want to be around me so I can inwardly say to myself 'See, I really AM liked, I really am a good person – yaay!' W
My victims were not random. They were both playmates of my own daughters. They were in my house every day. It is absolutely true (from what I learned through other sex offenders in my treatment programs) that the majority of child molestations occur not with strangers in some park, but in the home environment, with someone the child knows.
I didn't seek help because I felt beneath and beyond help. I had never talked about my childhood or adolescent sexual experiences to anyone, not my parents, nor my wife, nor any mental health specialists. I never had a chance to talk about this until I went to prison.my sick mind didn't realize I had reached that stage. If only men


Survivor/Offender   March 5th, 2010 6:06 pm ET

@Cajazz76:24:8

You wrote: Tough life you will live...it seems very genuine what you have said..about yourself and what little you said about your victim's....You seem very intelligent, so I ask you this..Why couldn't you seek help rather than a victim? I am not above forgiving you, nor you below being forgiven...Just give us an idea why you sought out an innocent and punished them...first. I believe you must have a viable answer that you can accept..for me, your going to have to be damn convincing. Random victim should not be an answer...

Thank you for your response.

Any sex offender who wants to heal and never reoffend MUST be genuine, and must keep caring and compassion for others at the forefront of his own recovery. And sex offenders such as myself must never try to defend their behaviors, because these acts ARE unacceptable. No excuses, no defense, PERIOD. What is acceptable is for the sex offender to exhaustively examine and disclose to others his own history of thoughts, feelings and behaviors. By sharing these with treatment specialists and other sex offenders, the offender is able to deconstruct the events (even from earliest chilhood) that led to the offending, and to devise alternate patterns of thought and behavior (called interventions) to avoid repeat offending. It is truly a long journey/story which I have never shared with anyone after prison. I don't seek to convince you or anyone that I am completely cured – but I have definitely improved my chances of creating NO MORE VICTIMS, and, as a bonus, living a new healthy fulfilling life. The core of treatment is in admitting what I have done, accepting full responsibility for the damage I did, accepting that my actions were entirely of my own choosing, and that I can do choose to do something different and that more help is always available if I want to continue to improve my life.

I cannot find the one answer that would satisfy your question. I feebly attempt to explain further below, but the shortest answer I can give is this: I didn't seek help then, but now I know better – I don't have to do what I did ever again. NO MORE VICTIMS!

Why I didn't seek help, but chose instead to create a victim? Everything negative you can imagine – starting with total selfishness. Because I wanted something I couldn't get (and couldn't even figure out what I wanted), and didn't know how to get it appropriately. I took an easier path (doing nothing) and in so doing I violated the lives of my victims – total innocents. Throw in low self-esteem, powerlessness, helplessness, shame about myself, my marriage, my career. I hid all that, (or so I thought) because I felt that I was beyond saving – too many problems, no one is ever going to stand by me, or help me work on these things. Once the offending begins, throw in shame and secretiveness.

I wanted so badly to be loved, accepted, respected, admired. Children will provide these things – often without question. Treatment specialists say that sex offenders are masters of manipulation, but most sex offenders reject this concept at the start of treatment ("if I'm so manipulative why don't I have everything I want in life – a perfect job, a perfect marriage, all the things I want, every thing my way all the time?) Sex offenders learn in treatment that we ARE masters of manipulation vis-a-vis children through something referred to as "black empathy" or the dark side of empathy – we intuitively understood that children can also suffer terribly from fears of rejection and from unfulfiulled needs of acceptance and attention. This is why so many innocents fall prey to sexual abuse from child molesters – the unwanted attention (sexual abuse) becomes acceptable because it IS attention. Recall the story about warm fuzzies vs. cold pricklies and you'll realize that people starved of warm positive 'strokes' will accept the negative kind if that's all they can get.

Now comes the ugly part: Sexuality. That's right. Most sex offenders are very confused about where sexuality belongs in their lives. Of the many sex offenders I shared treatment with, few were able to say that they had experienced normal healthy relationships. They mistakenly think that sexuality is a tool they can use on children to make the child "feel good" without stopping to consider the inappropriateness of sexual contact with the child or the long term consequences of that contact. My own thoughts at the time were literally: "I was molested as a child, and I didn't turn out so bad" WHAT?!??? I am nothing but a sick twisted pervert who molests little children so they "feel good" and want to be around me so I can inwardly say to myself 'See, I really AM liked, I really am a good person – yaay!' It is TRUE of myself, and many sex offenders report having experienced a similar line of thought, pathetic as it is.

My victims, aged 7 and 8 at the time, were not random. They were both playmates of my own daughters. They were in my house every day during the summer months. I knew both approximately two years. Both struck me as being somewhat awkward around other children, as though they didn't quite fit in. They seemed like they craved attention from me. I'm NOT blaming them for what I did to them, they weren't abused because they were "asking for it"; I am simply saying that they were vulnerable because of this – I did all the abusing myself.

It is absolutely true (from what I learned through other sex offenders in my treatment programs) that the majority of child molestations occur not with strangers in some park, but in the home environment, with someone the child knows.

I want to end here by saying thank you for reading. I know many will be offended by what I have said here. My original post has already been removed. But the public needs to know – there are sex offenders among you who DO CARE about having done wrong, and who will not back away from their moral and social responsibility of making NO MORE VICTIMS! a reality


Cajazz76:24:8   March 5th, 2010 6:24 pm ET

Survivor?Offender

I sensed you were extremely intelligent and most of all...genuine. I see quite clearly your one of a few that have the ability to explain what makes that part of the human psyche function in that manner.

I am glad you expressed fully what so many of us fail to see and identify with. The fact is...anyone can become a child molester..or a rapist. Given the proper catalyst, we are all capable. I sense you knew I was trying to get you to more fully describe what your life was like and what it is like today. I thank you for informing many..

The fact that sex, the powerful stimulant that it is, drives man/woman to do things that is not normally part of their inclined behavior.

Look...you could be my neighbor and I would treat you as anyone else and I find you, more than most, deserve forgiveness. Why do I say that?..You did your act of contrition, you paid the price for what you did, although many think your penalty should be assessed much harsher, I don't. I think it is a sham in our society, that you and all other offender's will pay a lifelong price for your crime. It makes our legal system seem like a farce in the sense that once the penalty is assessed and paid, your still under penalty.

Your exposed to those who would do you harm based solely on what you did, not who you are; why you did your crime; that you paid your penalty and homage to society and nothing comes with guarantees...from the time we are conceived. Best of luck to you, your going to be fine. Oh..my neighbor is a registered offender...he's never been a problem and I would defend him, should he ever need it.


Gerald Jolly   March 5th, 2010 9:28 pm ET

@ Survivor/Offender.

What's your opinion on "CASTRATION"


Cajazz76:24:8   March 5th, 2010 9:40 pm ET

@Gerald Jolly

Gerald are you just being provocative?


Dodie   March 5th, 2010 9:46 pm ET

Most often, the underlying issue with the sex offender is they have been molested as children. They felt a loss of control. This perpetrates the offense as adults. Any traumatic incident of gravis proportion will leave in imprint on that child. That child is emotionally “stuck’ whereby when they become adults, they will most often target children around the age they were molested. Not realizing it, but desperately trying to regain the control and love that was lost. Adult women are most often perceived as threatening as the sex offender is still emotionally the age they were molested and are attracted to that innocence and age.

What keeps a sex offender continuing the behavior is the unwillingness to truly look inside. Many avoid this, as often when they do, the see a monster. Are they a monster? No!!! But this is their first experience… so not to feel that horrific shame and pain, they dance around the issue. Only when one is willing to be honest with their self; will the healing begin. It is a life long healing process in which they must not hide, rationalize, or use any other defense mechanism. They must always remain in reality, take full responsibility for their thoughts and behaviors.... and take it a day at a time.


Dodie   March 5th, 2010 9:49 pm ET

@ Gerald Jolly

Castration will NOT help. You can always use an object. That does not change the original or underlying issues. The problem is from within. That must be dealt with and healed before change.


Dodie   March 5th, 2010 9:55 pm ET

@ Survivor/Offender

Thank you for your expressing your experiences. It is both courageous and deeply touching. Hopefully, you have educated many here. You appear to be on the right path! I wish you happiness... I wish you peace of mind!


Cajazz76:24:8   March 5th, 2010 9:59 pm ET

@Dodie

You save me strength..thx.


Dodie   March 5th, 2010 10:05 pm ET

@ Cajazz76:24:8

You are very kind and understanding especially relating to this subject. Thank You


Gerald Jolly   March 5th, 2010 10:54 pm ET

@ Cajazz.

YUP


SUETIGGERS   March 5th, 2010 11:58 pm ET

To: Ric Moore you say

There are 3 tiers of sex offenders. Level 1 offenders are least likely to re-offend and are 1st timers. Level 2 would have priors. Level 3 are the offenders to be most concerned about, being extremely violent and pathological. Remember back in the 70's mental hospitals were closed right and left, which is where these people need to be. Thank budget cuts for killing mental health programs. Instead we're supporting neo-nazi fear tactics to draw attention from the lack of proper facilities to put these people and we're losing our humanity in the process. Wake up folks. We're shoving the constitution under the bus.

But, the laws have changed..did you know that what used to be misdemeanors are now felonies...so I know of men who visited teen prostitutes who very consensually had sex and who lied about their age to the men and the cops...ARE these men dangerous? they may be scumbags or whatever else you want to call them....but are they dangerous people the way a man who forces a child to have sex with him? These laws have eradicated important distinctions.... and that is wrong.
And the more these laws are made on an emotional basis and help these unscrupulous politicians and the overly zealous states attorneys, the more they may give the APPEARANCE of helping protect children but in reality they are not. They are just making it look like we're doing something...but it is not the CORRECT SOMETHING, it is not the effective something and that is really a shame.


jack   March 6th, 2010 2:05 am ET

Lock up the violent sociopath predators. Release non violent criminals much sooner( unless they have ripped off large amounts white collar criminals or anyone.) What is so hard to understand? Aren't judges supposed to be intelligent. A child would know to do this.


jack   March 6th, 2010 2:14 am ET

@Survivor/Offender: You have seen that the public is all too willing to let your past not hurt your future. However, if you ever harm another child, you deserve a dungeon. Hope you are sincere, and have been reborn. Good luck. If you feel that you are wavering, and need help, please realize that there are many people that are willing to help you overrcome your temptations. Remember the people who tried to help you in prison. Turn to them or others, don't destroy your life , or an innocent. Good luck Sir, and I hope you can have a new beginning.


Donald L Allen   March 6th, 2010 2:11 pm ET

it a way of doing it a way of thing if it a way of think so what can the FBI have on me I,M call there bf and I looking for to see them what well I say what well I do you well see me soon don't were I,M not running I,M not hidden I see what happen in 89 and I see what is happening now see you ween you gonna tell the hole store My man Larry what up and what is happen were you or and I hop you or good I,M a friend I don't lie and I tell the Rufe see you Larry King


Ric Moore   March 6th, 2010 4:10 pm ET

@ Sue Tiggers
I know what you are saying. I got 5 years and 5 years probation, which I'm about done with for statutory rape. No one did it, nor is to blame, but me. Yes, I had a staggering amount of "pre-cursors", which I had to come to grips with in North Carolina's SOAR program. There were issues that I had kicked under the bus, and it took some experts, as well as my fellow "classmates", to unblock them and put them right in my face. And this was at 50 years old. Now I'm just past 60, older and far wiser. Now I wish to assist others to not wear my old shoes.

My old shoes were "objectification", which is rampant among a bunch of the posters on here. What's sad is that they can't see it, when they bash someone who is seriously mentally ill enough to kill and rape without a shred of remorse. Mind lesson here, do you think "lock them up!!" or "put them somewhere safe for society's and their protection" when you read the article?? That'll tell you much about yourself.

Owell! It'll catch up to them, no doubt in my mind at all. What goes around, comes around. Nor will I feel sorry for them, as we make our own decisions and then live by them, for better or worse. The trick was to become responsible for my decisions. That is the golden moment. It first started when I said I was guilty of harming someone I claimed to love to the Judge. During 5 months of SOAR I learned that was the easier part. Coming to grips with my crime was the toughest. I'm still a work in progress.


Mary Silvestri   March 6th, 2010 6:08 pm ET

Why are they so concerned about the predators rights instead of the victims.

All predators who prey against children should be castrated and hung. They are the most evil of evil. I can't hate them enough.

I can't believe God would forgive anyone who hurt a child.


Mollie   March 6th, 2010 7:26 pm ET

Most every one is forgetting that this is a very sick Person. He is Bio Polar. With the passing of Mandatory sentencing the Judge's hands are tied. This man had no prior arrests so, hence the short sentence.
Some prior's are just pranks or other dumb things that in years past would not have been criminal. THIS was a Forceible Rape. There is a major difference in this than in the numberous types of Sex Crimes.
I used to lie about my age when I was a teen if I wanted to date an older guy. I did not think that I would get anyone into trouble. Girls these days look much Older and if they fib, trouble happens, if there is a sexual encounter. THIS is much different from a Forcible Rape.
The Public must let the Judge's read these cases and decide if the Person need to be Tested by one or more capable person to decide if they are insane. This is very, very important. There are many, many reason's for a person to be a Sex Offender. LET THOSE THAT FORCE the Rape, be the one's that are watched the most. Stop tying the hands of law enforcement with all the other's. IF THEY are not deemed violent, they do not need the same rules and restrictions as the likes of Gardner and JC Duggard's attacker.
Cudo's to JC and her Mother for not allowing her to be a Victim. What a Brave Family/


Gerald Jolly   March 6th, 2010 7:34 pm ET

@ Dodie.

In the lare eighty's the was a conference held in Canada, by members of every country in the British Comonwealth on the subject of castating sex offenders.

The result of the conference was the suggestion that it was immoral under any circumstance to arbitraly sentence a sex offender to castration, and therefore that option was thrown out.

But on the next proposal the board of governors for the penal systen did advocate, that if a sex offender applied for ealy release, it would be approved if the offender agreed to willingly submit to castration.

After a long discussion with medical and pshycological experst all did agree that by removing an offenders testes, that this would definately reduce the desire for sexual gratification in the subject, all except for one group.
The phsycopatic person that not only wants sexual gratification, but thrives on the power to possess his victim.

What is your thoughts on that.


Dodie   March 6th, 2010 10:01 pm ET

Good evening Gerald:

I understand why Canada addressed the Castration issue; however, molesting children has only a very small portion of the root issue related to actual sexual desire. Yes, it is a sexual act, but the gratification achieved is a desire to revert back to the age in which that person was molested. It has more to do with control, love, attention and identification with a particular age group of children, then the actual sexual experience. We need to separate the actual behavior from the individual to fully understand the underlining motive. Are all sex offenders that way? No, of course not! However, for the majority of sex offenders, this will be the intrical issue.

Societal’s problem is not addressing the whole… We judge the person by the behavior only. Is the behavior bad! Yes! Is the person bad? No! However, the individual should not be released until he/she comes to terms with their behaviors, the damaged they have done, and taking full responsibility for their actions (past, present and future) … No justification…No rationalization… No defense mechanisms. Only then can they hopefully not repeat the damaging behaviors.

The problem is intrinsic within human nature. When we become stressed out, or experience a lack of balance, everyone reverts to compulsive behaviors (mild to severe)… mild would be like having an extra snack during the day… it goes unnoticed unless the person gains weight, to severe like alcoholism, drug addiction, sex addiction, etc. However, for the sex offender, he will revert back to the molestation behaviors. Therefore, this person needs a support group of peers and continual contact. This is a life long process taken one day at a time. There is NO cure!


Dodie   March 6th, 2010 10:04 pm ET

@ Mollie

If Bi-polar disorder was the cause for sex offenders, then all people suffering from Bi-polar disorder would be potential sex offenders. There is no evidence in the DSM-IV TR of this fact! There are millions of people who have Bi-polar disorder who are NOT sex offenders. Therefore, the statement you made is illogical!


Rushing   March 6th, 2010 11:27 pm ET

I think it is simply hilarious that a lot of you are throwing around stats about sex offenders as if you actually know what you are talking about. The fact of the matter is that 2.9% of sex offenders re-offend this is the lowest recidivism rate in the name save murderers. If you do a bit of research you will find that these "monsters" are mostly people who've made a one time mistake. The US has 307,000,000 million people in it and 600,000 of those are registered sex offenders. That is around 0.2% of the population but they get a whole lot of laws and news coverage aimed at them because they are an easy score. Check the facts, most sex crimes are committed by non-sex-offenders. In other words, first time offenders. Most lawmakers are coming to the realization that sex offender laws are worthless but cost dearly. There are numerous studies showing that the arrest rate for sex crimes has not abated one bit since the advent of these hundreds of laws. Child oriented crimes are on a decline but have been so since the early 90's. As for the law being lax on sex offenders, in Oklahoma, I could shoot my wife and get out in a year or I could lick my lips at a jr. high school cheerleader and go to prison for a mandatory 25 years with a mandatory 85% served requirement. If someone killed one of my kids, they wouldn't live to go to prison. Having said that, I have to disagree with the vitriolic demonetization of anyone who has ever been convicted of a sex offense that seems prevalent here. There is a couple in Tulsa that I know personally and the hubby is a convicted sex offender but the wifey doesn't mind because she was the victim. He was 18 and she was 2 weeks from her 16th birthday (age of consent) and her mother decided after 2 years of dating that she wanted this boy not to marry her daughter so she pressed charges for a statutory rape that she allowed. When he got out of prison, they were married. BUT, he is still considered a monster by most of the people here. I ask the most virulent of you to examine your own past. Think about us when we were kids and dating the cheerleaders etc.. Don't tell me you weren't a teenage pervert.. Probably a lot worse than him. "The emotion and publicity and political science that comes into play after a horrific situation tends to create an overreaction," said Rep. Mike Weinstein, R-Jacksonville, a prosecutor. Journal of Criminal Justice "Public safety policy is served by rational, reasoned debate—not fanaticism and extremism driven by fear.” Think about it people.. Before you start shooting husbands and wives who are "monsters"


Rushing2   March 6th, 2010 11:31 pm ET

In the middle east muslims are allowed to marry a 9 year old like the prophet did.. their version of a sex crime is cheating on your husband. I've been there, have you?


Rushing2   March 6th, 2010 11:40 pm ET

Brian.. its certainly not brain I hope.. Maybe you will be a victim of collateral damage. Do you know how many people "in Oklahoma" alone have been vindicated by DNA testing after years on death row? Cells are 5'X9' and no internet by-the-way... Wow.. you really need to study up on some things.. What you are suggesting would invalidate the Constitution and protections it affords to people like you and me.


Ric Moore   March 7th, 2010 12:26 am ET

@Mr. Jolly

It's chemical castration AND early release. If you're minding your own business in prison you are not getting sex anyway. So no loss there and the gain of getting out. Plus, it's not offered to repeat offenders. Just the first timers that are not likely to re-offend again. Heckuva deal. Once your time is up, the drug is stopped and you're back to normal. Hopefully for the better. I would think most would jump at the chance. So would just about anyone else in prison for that matter.


jacobshepard   March 7th, 2010 5:26 pm ET

Please define the term sex offender? Is it two teens having consenual sex?? Is it somebody who got drunk and decided to bring back streaking from the 70's? Is it an older male having consensual relations with a younger femail – if so is Larry King a Sex Offender?
The laws we now have for the broad definition of "Sex Offender" are ridiculous.
We basically waste our time and money tracking people who have accidentally received child porn through a random e-mail and spend NOTHING ON TRACKING MURDERERS, DRUNK DRIVERS, DRUG DEALERS – you can add any other crime to that list. Currently there are at least 700,000 U.S. Citizens that are on the Sex Offender Registry. The number will only climb in the next few years as we let these crazy laws ensnare more of us.
Please Reform Sex Offender Laws and Repeal the Adam Walsh Act.!!!


Mollie   March 7th, 2010 11:54 pm ET

Dodie,
I did not intend to put each person with bipolar into the same catagory.
I do not believe in grouping people because of any given Title such
as all "Sex Offenders" being in the same Catagory. NO one situation is the same as another situation. Each should be looked at individually. However, The Level 3 Offenders, Which are those with the possibility of Murder and Violence, include mostly those with Mental Problems.
These are the Dangerous Sex Offenders. This was a Forcible Rape,
and Murder by a Person Deemed as Dangerous an bipolar. Please read the following:

What Is Bipolar Disorder?
Bipolar disorder used to be known as manic depressive disorder or manic depression. It's a serious mental illness, one that can lead to risky behavior, damaged relationships and careers, and even suicidal tendencies - if it's not treated.

Bipolar disorder is characterized by extreme changes in mood (poles) - from mania to depression. Between these mood swings, a person with bipolar disorder may experience normal moods.

"Manic" describes an increasingly restless, energetic, talkative, reckless, powerful, euphoric period. Lavish spending sprees or impulsive risky sex can occur. Then, at some point, this high-flying mood can spiral into something darker - irritation, confusion, anger, feeling trapped.

"Depression" describes the opposite mood - sadness, crying, sense of worthlessness, loss of energy, loss of pleasure, sleep problems.

But because the pattern of highs and lows varies for each person, bipolar disorder is a complex disease to diagnose. For some people, mania or depression can last for weeks or months, even for years. For other people, bipolar disorder takes the form of frequent and dramatic mood shifts.

"There's a whole spectrum of symptoms and mood changes that have been found in bipolar disorder," says Michael Aronson, MD, a clinical psychiatrist and consultant for WebMD. "It's not always dramatic mood swings. In fact, some people seem to get along just fine. The manic periods can be very, very productive. They think things are going great."

The danger comes, he says, when the mania grows much worse. "The change can be very dramatic, with catastrophic results. People can get involved in reckless behavior, spend a lot of money, there may be sexual promiscuity, sexual risks."


SUETIGGERS   March 8th, 2010 1:40 am ET

Mollie,
I am curious to know what you think about this. You speak of level 3 offenders as being dangerous.
Would you say that a man who is arrested for having consensual sex with a 15 yr. old (2 weeks shy of 16) yr. old prostitute who lied to him about her age and to the police is a dangerous person? I know that there are many on the register like this who were given level 3 and a felony even though they never had a felony before.


Mollie   March 8th, 2010 10:36 am ET

Sue,
I am not an Authority on the various Levels nor do I know if they vary from State to State. This is one thing that People do not realize. Each
State has different laws. Most laws were are very strong now. Gardiner should not have been set free or better yet, he should not have gotten the light sentence. If sentenced today, he would not be free.
According to Mr. Allen of Missing and exploited Children, of the 700,000 Sex Offendrs, Very few commit Murder and are like Mr. Gardner. These are the few that should be in the "Level 3"Catagory so, that Law Enforcement can watch them very, very close.
Please read the bottom remarks as this guy seems to have the correct answer to a level 3.

If you know someone that is in the Level 3 Catagory for the reason you stated, You should fight like crazy to have this person put into the correct Level. This happens more than people know and yes, even if it is consenual, the Male will go down each and every time.
When I was a teen I Lied about my age to have a date with a Male that was in his 20's. We have all told fibs about our age. Most women will admit this fact. I did not realize that I could have gotten him in a lot of Trouble.

The Judge needs to go by a case to case basis. NOT,and I repeat
Not, by a "One size Fit's All Law" that ties every one's Hands. Most on the registry are not dangerous. As they are sentenced, Mental testing shoud be done by a Licenced Person order to decide how to Sentence. This automatic "Lock them up" and throw away the key is one of the reasons for States being over budget. Get tough on Crimes is not always, "Get Smart on Crime".

All crimes and the Danger level shoud be viewed in Full and also the explainations shoud be viewed before saying it was a dangerous act.
Every thing is not a cut and dried situation. Some may just be part of a Prank, or something simple that has been blown up and not of any conquences to the current charge.

March 5th, 2010 5:06 am ET

@Gerald Jolly
If the system worked as it should, castration wouldn't be necessary as the perp would be behind bars for the rest of his life, as a mental patient. If he's the actual offender, which will be determined at trial, I doubt it will be a long walk to prove insanity and that he's pathological. At that point how you view him is a measure of your humanity, not his. Castration of mental patients is highly illegal, as well as immoral.

@ to the rest of this list
There are 3 tiers of sex offenders. Level 1 offenders are least likely to re-offend and are 1st timers. Level 2 would have priors. Level 3 are the offenders to be most concerned about, being extremely violent and pathological. Remember back in the 70's mental hospitals were closed right and left, which is where these people need to be. Thank budget cuts for killing mental health programs. Instead we're supporting neo-nazi fear tactics to draw attention from the lack of proper facilities to put these people and we're losing our humanity in the process. Wake up folks. We're shoving the constitution under the bus.


Luis B Rosario   March 8th, 2010 11:23 am ET

@Mollie
Simply and well stated on March 8.
Suetiggers has a valid point -There are young adolescents that
are 13 /14/15 that look 21 in size and maturity(streetwise). If these
minors moved to a new neighborhood, or runaways (some of
them are drug addicts and prostitutes). Someone can get arrested
for rape because most of the time these minor carry no Id, or
they have fake or stolen Ids. (They use them to go bars and to
buy liquor and cigarettes). Under these circumstances most
people cannot verify the age of the person, maybe until it is
too late. Police and prosecutors seldom take exigent circumtances
into consideration. The mentality is that "you have known better,
let the judge decide." By the time the case goes to the judge
publicity and other persons and groups get involved and the
judge is intimidated to render proper justice. That 's why some
offenders end up on tier 3(level 3) It is the same MO (modus
operandi) used against DUI offenders. The jails are full of them
and some of them are charged with other crimes before they
complete their average 5 year term and 5 year probation becoming
certified felons for life, with no right to vote and making life
difficult for them to get employment . The revolving door kicks
on and recidivists for drunken driving and drug addicts is high
in most jails. We may argue " who told them to drink and drive?"
But the average person making this stattement including police
prosecutors and judges are holding a double shot of liquor, a beer,
or a cigarette while condemning the ones that got arrested.
Stop selling liquor and cigarettes. Close the breweries. You can
buy liquor and cigarettes in any local grocery store. Who buys
beer at the gas station.? (Motorists).


SUETIGGERS   March 8th, 2010 3:52 pm ET

Luis and Molly,
If everyone thought the way you two do, these laws would work well and ONLY the truly dangerous would be on there. I so appreciate how reasonable you both are.
Molly, I know that in one case when a man who had sex with a 15 yr. old prostitute went to court, the judge felt pressured by the states attorney to go along with a plea and him taking a FELONY . He never had one before, lost the best job he ever had because of this, got put out of his apartment in a good neighborhood he loved. All this because a girl lied about her age, to him, to the cops. And the judge wanted to give him a pbj but the states attorney pushed for strict compliance with the law.
Even if you think this guy is scummy for going to a prostitute, is this really fair justice? And too many of these guys who would NEVER hurt a child are on the present registry.
Molly even if what you say is true, that this guy who allegedly killed Chelsea would not have gotten out NOW, what about all the people bloating the registry and taking law enforcements' time etc. from them focusing on the ones that need to be watched closely?? These crimes will continue if they don't streamline the registry. MORE is not better in the case of the registry. MORE makes it work less.


Callie   March 8th, 2010 7:15 pm ET

@ Mary Silvestri.... I could'nt agree more Mary! You are absolutely correct...as it says in scripture, there is nothing God HATES MORE the blood of an innocent child. There is no doubt in my mind that He would be right with us on this one...He might 'forgive them', but that does'nt mean His wrath would not be upon them, perhaps until they took their own lives, as Judas did!!! : )


yea it's me   March 9th, 2010 3:44 am ET

@ mary silvestri and @ callie
yall need to read yall bible a little more because god don't hate nobody
and he do forgive everybody in this world........but no one shouldn't judge god


Callie   March 9th, 2010 7:16 pm ET

@ yea/yall,.....perhaps we have a different version of the Bible...I didn't say that God hates anyone, I said that there is nothing that He hates more than the Blood of an innocent Child.....translation 'the killing of an innocent Child'...which I would have to agree with....perhaps y'all have a different Bible? Do you not believe in God's wrath when He is angry at those who break His Commandments? I still think that you must have a different version of the KJB, Mary, are you with me on this? : ) ...as in my Bible the word God is always capatilized. He is after all, God.


Luis B Rosario   March 10th, 2010 12:16 am ET

All it say in the Bible about children is what Jesus said," Let the
children come to me." Spilling the blood of any innocent person
is evil in God's eyes"


Callie   March 10th, 2010 4:13 pm ET

Proverbs 6:16 "There are six things which the Lord hates, seven which are an abomination to Him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood. A heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and a man who sews discord among brothers."


Steven Yoon   July 4th, 2010 5:47 am ET

Individuals who rape and kill are not just sex offenders, they are also psychopaths and are exceptionally rare. Did you know that treatment for former offenders has proven effective and that most sex offenders never commit another crime? Did you know that the sex offender registries have been proven to be ineffective? Did you also know that making it more difficult for former offender to reintegrate into society increases recidivism?

Would you like more *FACTS* that would actually help keep society safe? If so, look at this website:

CanadiansForAJustSociety [dot] webs [dot] com


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