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February 15, 2010

Is Afghanistan worth dying for?

Posted: 08:00 AM ET

By Eric Blehm, LKL Guest Blogger

As 31,000 more American troops last month began to trickle into Afghanistan to stabilize the country so it can stand on its own two feet, one question remains: How did Hamid Karzai come to power as the president? Does anybody remember? Has the true story ever been told?

These were some of the questions I had when I received permission to sit in on an Arabic class at the military academy at West Point in late 2005. The cadets were being taught by Major Jason Amerine, whom I learned had been the team leader of Operational Detachment Alpha 574: the lone eleven-man A-team of Green Berets from Fort Campbell, Kentucky, that had met with Karzai — then a virtually unknown Pashtun statesman and aspiring guerrilla leader — in November 2001.

By December 5, 2001, just three weeks after infiltrating Uruzgan Province in southern Afghanistan on Blackhawk helicopters, Karzai had been named the interim leader of Afghanistan and every single member of ODA 574 had been wounded or killed. Three weeks!

What happened during those 21 days? In order for me to receive an answer to that question, Major Amerine suggested that I meet with the family members of the men on his team who did not return. If I received their blessings, he would tell me “everything, and I bet the rest of the guys will, too … if the families are behind this.”

This took me to a small East Coast town, where I spent a weekend sleeping in the bed of one of the men who had been killed in action. I walked the trails around the home where he’d played Army as a boy, visited his grave, and learned all about this American soldier through stories that spanned his birth to the moment his family was informed of his death.

At the end of the weekend, the father admonished me to, “Tell the story like it happened. The good and the bad. That is how you can honor my son. That is how you can set the history books straight about his mission with Karzai.” After that weekend, what had been an idea became a calling. My research indicated that nobody really knew how Karzai had become president or the facts behind how this entire team of Green Berets was wiped out in the process.

The war, like the news, was on to the next story and the next missions. There has been precious little time to pause and reflect, to dig deep to the roots of even these most critical missions, carried out dutifully by our armed forces. My book, The Only Thing Worth Dying For is one of the forgotten chapters from the earliest weeks of the war in Afghanistan, but it stands alone as the one mission — the most geo-politically significant victory — that still resonates the loudest in the region and around the world today.

It doesn’t matter your stance on the war or Karzai. This is how it happened, as told to me by the men on the ground who were there.

Eric Blehm’s book  just hit the New York Times Bestseller list this week. You can learn more about the author and the book by going to: http://www.onlythingworthdyingfor.com or on Facebook.

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Maria Copelli   February 10th, 2010 1:18 pm ET

tHE WAR IS SENSELESS,AND NO BIN LADEN TO BE FOUND!IT IS RIDICULOUS WASTE OF HUMAN LIVES FRO ALL SIDES.SHAME ON US FOR EVEN GETTING INTO THIS MESS.WHAT IS IT REALLY ....ALL ABOUT I WONDER?PEACE MARIA C/


Candy°°   February 15th, 2010 2:44 pm ET

whoever has a bit of an idea about politics, power and globalization knows how did Karzai come in power, and that the war in Afganistan is an "artificial" one and it will never be won; no, it's definitely NOT worth dying for


Dodie   February 15th, 2010 3:06 pm ET

As the warm red blood flows, black under the light of the moon …….like a swift river spreading….…. carpeting the land with the sounds of….. pleading…… crying….. begging….. screaming and finally the terror of silence……….

Tucked safely in your offices, behind your desks and computers, you ask, is Afghanistan worth dying for?

For those who make the decisions to destroy in the name of ‘peace’ provides a paradoxical Pandora with changes for so much, for so many, for so long, who will continue to suffer throughout life's long journey! When is war ever the solution to any end other than the infliction of suffering, pain, obliteration upon one another, total devastation and destruction for all? This war is a senseless and outrageous coup d'etat!


IKHAN   February 15th, 2010 3:52 pm ET

Death & destruction in Iraq, a country destroyed thousands of American lives lost,hundreds of thousands civilians killed, was it worth it?? In the words of those fools who think that American public can be fooled," it was to depose a dictator", What utter nonsense & we are expected to swallow this bull.

Lo & behold the blood now flows in Afghanistan!! Are those pompous ,arrogant fools (who unfortunately are entrusted with guiding this nation's destiny) sitting in their comfy offices, enjoying bits of junkets thrown their way by lobbies & special interest groups are even aware of that region's history its culture & the aspirations of its people. The fate of invaders down the treacherous path of its past.
Its not worth dying for not by any logic or rationale. No matter what the war mongers be they the neo-cons or the far right or the left or the idiot pack on Fox news might try to shove down the throats of unsuspecting Americans.


Navajo Joe   February 15th, 2010 5:13 pm ET

I can reflect on a part of my past when I asked... Can our young men and women come here, Afghanistan, and and die for a cause that these inhabitants have not found a reason to live for.....


Joe G. (Illinois)   February 15th, 2010 6:05 pm ET

“Two wrongs don’t make on right..” And I don’t care to whom you go crying to. Obama or Bin Laden it don’t make a difference. But.. But.. But.. Americans are the Hero’s... And if you ask the Afghani soldiers, they will tell you that they are the Hero’s!


Gerald Jolly   February 15th, 2010 6:42 pm ET

The question is "IS AFGHANISTAN WORTH DYING FOR"???

The answer is "NO, NO, NO"

The reason is. "AMERICA IS THE POLICE FORCE FOR THE WORLD"

The joke is. "WHO DIED, AND MADE AMERICA THE POLICE FORCE FOR THE WORLD"

The sadness is "YOUNG AMERICANS CONTINUE TO SHED THEIR BLOOD, TO APPEASE, AND PROFIT THE ARMS MANUFACTURERS OF AMERICA, WHILE THEIR MOTHERS AND FAMILIES GRIEVE AND CRY.

The Afghans say "HEY! YANKEE GET OUT OF MY COUNTRY"

The truth is "AFGHANISTAN PEOPLE HAVE BEEN AT WAR WITHIN THEIR OWN COUNTRY FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS"

Can America win this war.??

Absolutely "NOT", at least not, until the last Afghan person is dead.

Is afghanistan worth dying for,

A complete "IDIOTIC MORON" would say "YES"

The reason the "IDIOTIC MORON" would say yes, is because of the tremendous wealth and resources Afghanistan has in their "POPPY FIELDS" (HEROIN PRODUCES BIG BUCKS) for the criminal element of our society.

And as Osama Bin Laden has often been quoted saying.

THERE IS GOLD IN THEM THAR HILLS OF AFGHANISTAN!!!

When will the U.S, Government decide that enough young American have died or been maimed for the rest of their life.??

As soon as the Arms Industry advises the Government that they have reached their profit goal of a "TRILLION DOLLARS"

Many that will read this blog, will accuse me of being a pacifist or anti-American.

The intelligent ones will agree with what I say


Theresa   February 15th, 2010 6:46 pm ET

How many wars are really worth fighting for?


A. Smith, Oregon   February 15th, 2010 6:58 pm ET

Regret for Charlie Wilson's creation of the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Pakistan's dreaded ISI agency, pouring stinger missles into Afghanistan where some ended up shooting down passenger jets in Africa?

Regret from the Green Berets that trained the Taliban in constructing IED's?

Regret from planting hundreds of thousands of mines which will likely kill thousands of Afghanistan civilians for decades to come?

Is the CIA puppet President Karzi more or less corrupt than the KGB puppet Afghanistan President they installed?

With the influx of American troops into Afghanistan, the vast number of Opium poppy fields greatly grew to some 98% of all the Opium and Heroin production in the entire world, does America have any regret for flooding the entire world with Heroin?

Regret for flooding the world with Heroin?
Regret for creating the Taliban, Al Qaeda, Pakistan's ISI?
Regret for training the Taliban to create IED's?
Regret for forcing another corrupt dictator on the Afghanistan people?
Regret for all of the additional Afghanistan civilian deaths?

It seems there is plenty for America to feel regret over.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 15th, 2010 9:13 pm ET

@Eric Blehm

I applaud your blog only because it highlights that real people, whom most in this nation have never known, may never know of; and yet,they are on our evening news, less of late than in past broadcasts; they are the son or daughter of a mother and father, the brother or sister of a sibling, a grandson or a granddaughter, or were a father or mother themselves: they are the portraits that reflect the failures of this nation, this Democracy.

For every reason our nation gives saying these conflicts were valid, I will give you one that validates they were 'dead wrong'. Of these two ongoing conflicts, as you should know, there are over 5200 reasons within our soil; include all others from other nations, and their numbers will vary by a million, or more...

We have such a lust for death, and it comes so fast and in such high volumes during conflicts, we cannot even accurately account for them. Yet we cannot expend sufficient time to adjudicate those who are solely responsible.

The anti-abortion advocates need not gurgle their sentiments for the sanctity of life, when they support the ideologies of their previous leadership from their party..

The mouthpieces of the conservative movements, Fox Network, 'does' need to account to the American people their advocacy for death and destruction. We accept as normal their ignorance, but it is no excuse for their lack of legitimacy and invalid righteousness.

Your pundits at Fox News insult the memories of the fatal casualties of these conflicts, and even insult the immoral conscience of jocund and in-sublime ecstasies of those in your hell.

Do not take my feeble opinion...recount these words of this Republican President, who never took this nation to war while he was in office.

.."When people speak to you of a preventative war, you tell them to go and fight it. After my experience, I have come to hate war. War settles nothing".-Dwight D.Eisenhauer, 34th president and Commander-of- allied forces during WWII.....


IKHAN   February 15th, 2010 9:59 pm ET

@Eric Blehm,Dodie,A.Smith,cajaz

what Eric Blehm has asked gives rise to more questions, A.Smith's blog also poses one.
Is our generation prepared to leave just regrets for the next generation??

Are we Americans lulled into doing nothing about this lust for wars that those powers within and outside of our borders have infused in the American psyche?

Just who benefits when American soldiers are sent into far flung battlefields to fight senseless wars & lay down their precious lives & American treasure is spent?
Just who is the beneficiary ?


Navajo Joe   February 15th, 2010 10:24 pm ET

@Joe G.–ill-noise..

of which heroes do you speak..the living or the dead..?

@caj
Now you come and add your two nickels..thanks..where were you when I stuttered?


charlenejones   February 15th, 2010 10:44 pm ET

hi
someone need's to put a stop too not one but both war's.my son has been to war three time's.and it is not any fun not knowing if youre one and only son'child is over there and for what.he is home back on u.s grounds
now but for how long nobody know.not just my child but each and everyone of them.men and women over there looseing there life for this country and for what i say.what is the real reason that our familey member's are there please someone help me to understand.my son is my only child and i know he is not the only one that is the only child.what are we to do each and everyday someone child is gone too soon.i know my son made that choice to join the u.s army he knew what might happen
ture.but both war's has gone on too long please put a stop to it please'please' put a stop to it.GOD BLESS EACH AND EVERYONE OF YOU.


IKHAN   February 15th, 2010 11:27 pm ET

@Gerald Jolly

nothing anti-American about what you say. Voices of reason have always been against wars which solve nothing but spawn more wars & violence.
Hear this voice of anguish coming from a mother @charlenejones just one of thousands of those brave mothers out there.
What is more frightening is the thought that one day not being able to bear more pressure from countries like Israel & lobbies here, we attack Iran. Can you folks imagine the un-ending horror of us involved in three wars.
Armageddon!!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 15th, 2010 11:48 pm ET

@charlenejones

There is a status your son can seek to prevent his going off to war again. It is called sole-survivorship. It's an exemption that will assure you of an heir or a grandchild or both. However, if I am reading between the lines correctly, I am assuming your son is a career member of the U.S. Armed Forces. The exemption will apply, but at a cost to his career. Hopefully, the economy improves to the extent he can leave the military and use his well-earned benefits to further a career he began in the military or begin a new one. Regardless what his decision is, please express your concern to your federal,state and local legislatures as to why we are still being consumed by conflicts that have not and never will in the end protect us from anything. It's a sick joke and a waste of laughter if one thinks it's humorous.


Dodie   February 16th, 2010 12:56 am ET

The question posed, who gave us the right to bring suffering and devastation upon a group of people along with the tragedy of shattered lives and dreams?

Isn't war a form of ethnic cleansing?

To lubricate those officials that proclaim war is for the ‘good’ of the people!

To keep with Defense coffers lined with green backs!

To keep the well oiled military stocked with petroleum!

What ever happened to the value of human life (both Americans and Islamic civilians?)

The tragedies of human greed ingrained in our DNA will result in our total destruction!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 16th, 2010 1:34 am ET

@Dodie

Enough adjuncts added to the cauldrons of deceit should provide the breweries of illicit serums of mis-truths in Washington with the potions they should be forced to consume to stupefy their lust for obliteration in their blind search of final judgement....jazzism...401...Your at the top of the class.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 16th, 2010 1:44 am ET

@Dodie

The figure skating finals...no less than riveting..Remember the stiff-legged inflexible spines of yesteryear? "Times they are a changin."
My assessment of their ambitions comes back to liven my beliefs they have seen the light without the desire to see a very, very, very bright light.lol


Dodie   February 16th, 2010 1:49 am ET

@ Cajazz

Denial, justification, rationalization are over utilized by these dweebs! Their unknowingly end will be judgment for all! An 'A' will be received by mail?


Dodie   February 16th, 2010 1:52 am ET

Katie & Jeremy, so young and vibrant! Holding skate flexible! Flying high with precision landing.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 16th, 2010 2:22 am ET

@ Ikhan

My apologies for not scrolling up beyond my eyelids. I read your blogs and they are truly on and to the point. I admire you greatly for that. As you notice we all seem, for various reasons and relationships on these sites,
get distracted and lose direction. You seem to stay within the realm of discussion and make very valid observations. I applaud you for that and will attempt to follow your lead. Good to make your acquaintance.


Dodie   February 16th, 2010 3:57 am ET

Congratulations to the Republic of China for winning both the gold and silver in Pairs Figure Skating. Excellent, stunning and graceful was their performances!


Gerald Jolly   February 16th, 2010 10:53 am ET

@ Dodie.

Well put, I watched the entire performance and was awestruck by their moves.

Worlds Super Power by 2015, and only a few more Gold medals to become the Worlds Super Power in sports.

Hooray!


Ted   February 16th, 2010 1:28 pm ET

Nothing in this world is worth to die for!! Nothing.
You don´t die for your country, but you die for yourself, and your country will forget you in a short time even if anyone knew that you died.
Only your loved ones will remember you and ask the question a thousand times: Why?

Afghanistan, the graveyard of superpowers, says an very influential european magazine. The british tried to conquer them three times, but were thrown out every time. The russians spent 10 years and the lives of their 15,000 soldiers so they can lose the war.
What made us think that we can do something that those two superpowers were not able to do?

Karzai is a creation of the CIA, nothing, but a corrupt chieftain of a pashtun tribe. His family is big in the opium trade and will be very rich by the time the american people had enough of wars and demand a stop to it.
Meanwhile millions of children in our own country go to bed hungry, because they do not have the money to buy food.

Are we the greatest country in the world, as we try to convince ourselves every day?
Hitler and his cronies told the german people that they are the greatest in the world: "Deutschland ueber alles" and prepared them for the war where millions died for their "greatness"!!!
Are we manipulated the same way, so we willingly go to the slaughterhouse to offer our lives for lies?


Ted   February 16th, 2010 1:54 pm ET

The USA, on the bid of Israel, increases the pressure on Iran every day and the demands get harsher.
This will be the next place where our soldiers can offer their lives!

Although I am not very happy about what Iran is doing, who are we to forbid them to develop their own nuclear arsenal? After all, we did not ask the permission of the world to do ours.
My suggestion is: if we eventually bomb Iran, then we must continue with the same on other countries who also have such weapons and did not ask us for a permit.
We can start with Israel, then Pakistan, India, France, Russland, China, England, North Korea and to be fair we must bomb ourselves.
We should not forget that we are the only nation that ever used atomic bombs to kill hundreds of thousands of defenseless civilians.


IKHAN   February 16th, 2010 1:55 pm ET

@cajaz,@Ted

thanks @ cajaz for your encouraging words. As an American I feel pain & dismay at where we are headed.

@Ted you couldn't be more right.We are being manipulated by our so called allies & special interest groups, lobbies, the neo-cons , misguided ideologists, lop-sided media & such.
Its a pity that average Joe is so pre-occupied with debt woes , putting food on the table etc that all this escapes unnoticed.


Trish   February 16th, 2010 3:01 pm ET

Yes, there are many problems in this world–but if any young person read this blog they would go into a depressed state. Why would they think of having a future? I think too many of you sit @ you computers & never have a positive thought in your mind. This blog has become so negative -it is truly sad. My God Ted--we have 2 wars –you seem to be planning the demise of the entire civilization. I definitely need a break from this site!!!


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Cajazz76:24:8   February 16th, 2010 3:21 pm ET

Sorry, wrong site..meant for Kevin Smith....


Cajazz76:24:8   February 16th, 2010 3:32 pm ET

@ IKHAN.....welcome
@Ted

Ted, who could say it better than you? The majority of your life spent either in action or readiness to defend the principles of this Democracy and its people. This quote has always been one to support and defend all who serve-"The military don't start wars. Politicians start wars".-General William Childs Westmoreland, MACV 1964-1968...


Dodie   February 16th, 2010 5:30 pm ET

@ IKHAN (always good insights)

You stated: 'Its a pity that average Joe is so pre-occupied with debt woes , putting food on the table etc that all this escapes unnoticed.'

-–

Excellent evaluation! Have you ever thought that could be for a reason? It is a well known fact in human behavior, when you stress an individual/group out regarding basic needs, they become complacent! Placing this country into bankruptcy was due to pure greed; however, the complacency will now work to their benefit!

@ Ted

Excellent blog. Right on target! Thank you for the eloquent and conceptual articulation! Always enjoyable reading what you have to say!

@ Cajazz76:24:8

Laughing here …. Just love your spin on words!

@ Trish

This is not a site for the faint of heart! We are in serious trouble as a country and world. I am thankful Larry King has provided all the aforementioned people with an avenue in which to express. It is completely refreshing knowing I am not the only one who thinks like this!


Dodie   February 16th, 2010 5:34 pm ET

@ Gerald Jolly

You know China better than the rest of us! I agree with your perceptions..


Gerald Jolly   February 16th, 2010 6:20 pm ET

Hey! Folks.

Having experienced the sight of a young American boy 19 years old, full of promise, with a great future, two parents that loved him more than words can describe, a former WW2 man that was his grandfather and namesake, completely crushed.

And here we were, picking up his body parts and stuffing them in a body bag, with the American flag clearly visible to all that watched this gory spectica, and asking "WHY" we all asked, while the lying "GENERAL WESTMORLAND" sat back in his comfirtable chair drinking J.D. in Danang, shouting out, "I NEED THE COUNT ON ENEMY DEATHS" so I can report favorable results to the Pentagon.

That's why Afghanistan is not worth dying for.

"NOT ONE MORE DROP OF AMERICAN BLOOD" should be the message every patriotic American should be sending back to their Senator and Congressman.

"ENOUGH IS ENOUGH"


Gerald Jolly   February 16th, 2010 6:27 pm ET

@ Dodie.

Just a little humor for you.

While in Chengdu teaching at Sichuan Normal University, there was an American University Basketball team invited to play a game against our University chinese kids.

Final score Sichuan Normal University 108, Clearwater Florida Presbitarian College 82.

4 years ago.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 16th, 2010 7:08 pm ET

@ Wolf Blitzer ........5:50 est..16 Feb 2010

I watched your discussion with an apparently knowledgeable commentator that graced your presence today. What was apparent was your inability to understand Nationalism and the division of Islamic sects.

I watched you as a contestant on Jeopardy, where you started out even and ended in the negative, thus eliminating you from the final Jeopardy question.

Please refrain from allowing your moral compass to lead you astray from the direction your IQ is presently directing you.

Point being, do not allow your GPA, (grade point average) skew your GPWS, (ground proximity warning switch ) of your ASS. Just remain akin to your teleprompter.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   February 16th, 2010 7:10 pm ET

Great comments above.

Yes you do wonder when it will stop.

You can try to justify wars. I wonder if you ever can. The decision-makers make the decisions and it rests with them.

This is a passage to ponder on from The Bible (ECCLESIASTES, Chapter 3 Verses 1 to 8) –

Time for Everything

1) -There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven:

2) -a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot,

3) -a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build,

4) -a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance,

5) -a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain,

6) -a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to thro away,

7) -a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak,

8) -a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   February 16th, 2010 7:13 pm ET

Sorry, I don't know how these funny faces appeared here above instead of the number eight.


James   February 16th, 2010 9:20 pm ET

@Trish,
You are so right. For some reason, there are those who go out of their way to find something wrong with everything. We just have to tolerate it and know that these people are very unhappy with their lives to think so negative all of the time and to harbor so much hatred.


Dodie   February 17th, 2010 12:14 am ET

Well James, I also find it quite interesting that you continue to complain about blogs on these web sites as being negative. The word ‘complain’ is not a positive word in the English language. Maybe you should revisit your intentions. Maybe you should take a look in the mirror. As I have noticed complaining about something negative is just an Oxymoron with the emphasis on….. on…on… I am trying not to say the word ......I want to..... but it happens to be the last part of oxymoron......if you get my drift!


James   February 17th, 2010 12:25 am ET

@Dodie and Cajazz,
Glad to see you are lovers now and not reporting each other to CNN.

Wondering why you didn't comment to Trish since she was the originator. And I'm sure you saw the post of the last day or two about you and another colleague of yours. So boo hoo, why are you picking on me? Boo Hoo. Oh I know, Dodie, you don't have a mind of your own; just doing was Cajazz tells you. Speaking of the m word, you have no idea how you're being played do you? Right, Cajazz, a.k.a..........
And you didn't think anyone caught on. There are several of us who tune in who get a good laugh about it. Congrats, Cajaaz, for being able to pull it off with at least those to whom it was directed.

Maybe Dodie will get the drift eventually.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 17th, 2010 1:28 am ET

@James

You slide your hand curiously across the backside of the weak offering compassion to oblique observance. You misconstrue valid debate and
challenge of opinion to hatred? I am lost in your transcript. You tolerate us, well you are a passionate man. I failed to observe it and thought your analysis of our debate and your transcendence above it licensed you to your impoverished critiques.


Dodie   February 17th, 2010 1:39 am ET

Thanks Bob for removing those blogs! I owe you a dinner!


Dodie   February 17th, 2010 2:41 am ET

@ James

If you roll your eyes above your glass, I did comment on Trish! You make absolutely no sense!


James   February 17th, 2010 2:54 am ET

@Dodie,
Yes you did comment to Trish, saying that the site was not for the faint of heart. Why are you criticizing me for forgetting when you said earlier yourself that you had given her a pass because it was her first negative comment toward you. So apparently you forgot as well.

Did you respond to Caroline's earlier comment? It does seem that a lot of people find you very negative.


James   February 17th, 2010 2:58 am ET

@Cajazz,
I find you rather peculiar my friend. I see you have decided to join this interaction between Dodie and me. I am curious as to why you posted a comment to her under another topic tonight, directing her to this topic, and asking her to respond to my earlier post. You wanted her to take care of it for you; but now you jump in. Do not fear my friend; next time just take up the cause yourself and don't hide behind your friend. How do you define friend? I think you know what I a saying. Good evening.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 17th, 2010 4:23 am ET

@James

It was quite obvious you sided with someone who was less than aware of the true validity regarding the discussions presented in this less than active forum tonight.

Both your opinions are respected, but it was her criticism, lacking understanding, and yours, agreeing with her consensus, that drew hackles.

Why I went to another site' was' to alert Dodie to your comments. I felt it was her right to respond or mine for that matter, but the level Trish was coming from left it less desirable to me. I knew she just doesn't understand the course this nation followed over the previous eight years has been abysmal, not to mention the catalyst to a condition this country will struggle for many year to recover from.

Look James, say what you mean, mean what you say, and be prepared to defend your position when challenged. You have seen how aggressively I attacked your right to say what you want..'First amendment first'...You have seen that, I know.

But to deviate from the facts, as an act of consolation to someone else's inability to understand, doesn't preclude you from other's criticism.

You have not been issued an unkind word on my behalf, but you may feel a bit tanned by some stinging criticism. Don't take it personal; we not only learn from error's of our own, but we do from other's, as well.

I have to commend you that your last two responses have been very mature and very well written. Just seeing that gives me hope that we, as a nation, can somehow form consensus through debate, hot as hell sometimes it may be, but in the end when we leave this forum with either two new words in our vocabulary or two words of encouragement from other's, we gained something.

Please stay within these sites and remain active, you will find this, as I have, those you challenge the most vigorously and challenge you, will defend you the most. Good night James...


Ted   February 17th, 2010 10:47 am ET

@ Trish

I certainly do not advocate wiping out this world, as you suggested in your blog, but pointed out that the fair consequence to bombing Iran will be the bombing of other nuclear nations, including ourselves, as none have asked for permission to develop such a weapon!!
I am against all wars as they never solve a problem.

So why do we pick on Iran?
Because Israel is getting nervous and will not tolerate any other nation in the area to be armed as they are since the 1960s. Yes, they also have nuclear weapons since then and our CIA stole the plutonium in the USA and gave it to them.
Since our government always does what the Jewish Congress tells them, now we may risk another war just to satisfy the wishes of Israel.
We bring the wrath of 1.5 billion moslems on us just to satisfy 5 million israelis who occupy arab lands and it seems they learned a lot from the german SS and Gestapo.
You may heard that Mossad agents just killed a Hamas leader in Dubai, stealing identities of other israeli citizens. Not the finest way to conduct diplomacy or to negotiate a withdrawal from arab lands.

This blog is not negative, it is an eye openner to those who rather stick their heads in the sand and do not want to see what is happening to our country.
In 40 years we went from the best loved to the most hated nation in the world and this should not be ignored.


Gerald Jolly   February 17th, 2010 10:51 am ET

Boxing gloves on the way folks.

Or perhaps you would prefer a BARE KNUCLE bar room drag em out fight.

The choice is yours.

As for me, it's

GOOD NIGHT.


Gerald Jolly   February 17th, 2010 10:54 am ET

The Generals and Politicians in Washington sit at a large conference room table and discuss.

"WHAT IS AN ACCEPTABLE CASUALTY COUNT"??

The brave trooper on the field of battle answers.

(0) you dumb F!@#$%^&*S


Gerald Jolly   February 17th, 2010 11:01 am ET

A General's perception of a military person is.

That he is not a human being, he is in fact a casualty or a weapon.

Either way he is nothing more than a statistic.


Cajazz76:24:8   February 17th, 2010 12:16 pm ET

@Ted...for your pleasure..

You heard the saying “the living will envy the dead.”- Original author unknown… With that stated, let’s not even think of any other incremental fatalities, nor suffering caused by any other incremental failures in communication or negotiation we may be missing in between the hidden cracks of history.
“There is Israel, for us at least. What no other generation had, we have. We have Israel in spite of all the dangers, the threats and the wars, we have Israel”-Elie Wiesel, Holocaust survivor and humanitarian…
“Let’s certainly not think of the resultant deaths, destruction, nor the destitution, nor the displacement of multitudes attributed to the European Jews escaping their holocaust by re-emerging in the ‘the land of milk and honey’ only to engage in their own little version of holocaust.”-cajazz…76:24:8…
Don’t confuse holocaust with Halloween, O’Hannity, Jews don’t even play that game especially, in a place once called Palestine. I remember the place a bit easier when I think of Palin. O’Hannity, you know that name by a different camel, duh!
“I had faith in Israel before it was established, I have in it now. I believe it has a glorious future before it-not just another sovereign nation, but as an embodiment of the great ideals of our civilization.”-Harry S. Truman, U.S. President, Republican…
You know, O’Hannity, there has to be, in some estimations, another say, 8 or 9, maybe 10 more Arlington National Cemeteries in there somewhere, you think? Oh hell, O’Hannity, just forget it. It can’t affect, nor afflict us in anyway, just save them boo-hoo’s and Ben-Gay until you really need it. You definitely can’t see the place from Wahzoo City, Alaska, anyhow. For crying out loud, O’Hannity, that was even before the Korean War and it’s far beyond any situation coalescing our past to any endeavors we may be involved in today, right, O’Hannity?
We’re getting sidetracked here, in part, due to the sighting of moose tracks that I think I’m seeing in the sand. Let’s take a breather, O’Hannity, and allow me to get out my AARP furnished hand held transistorized calculator and cipher a thing or two and to give you some time to anoint yourself with that Ben-Gay, wherever you want to apply it.
Let’s see 50,000,000 million dead from WWII; 1.5 million dead from the Korean War/Conflict; 6.6 million dead from the Viet Nam War/Conflict including the associated Pol Pot dead equals 58,100,000 total dead from those 3 wars divided by 300,000 per approximate present day occupancy per each Arlington National Cemetery needed equals 193.666, (Isn’t that (.666) the mark of the devil, O’Hannity, check it against that mark on your scalp and check my math to this point, if your cipher capable.) times 624 acres per each Arlington National size cemetery equals 120,847.58 acres (500-800 bodies per acre). Multiply the square mile area of one Arlington National Cemetery (.0015625 square miles per acre times 624 acres=.975 square miles) times the number of Arlington National Cemeteries needed to bury 58,100,000 bodies (193.666) divided by the square

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Tom Dalessi   February 21st, 2010 3:58 am ET

Its all part of the great plan by Bush. We now have Iran surrounded and with troops in Saudi we can launch a major offensive against Iran. When this will happen I have no clue but feel the sooner the better. If Reagan was still around this would of taken place months ago.


Doug Moore   February 21st, 2010 8:18 pm ET

“I, too, have dropped off fear — Behind the barrage, dead as my platoon, And sailed my spirit surging, light and clear. Past the entanglement where hopes lay strewn.

I was that which others cared not to be. I went where others feared to go and did what others failed to do. I asked nothing from those that gave nothing”

Author- unknown to me


Doug Moore   February 21st, 2010 8:20 pm ET

“War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things;
The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks nothing is worth a war, is worse”

(John Stuart Mill)


Doug Moore   February 21st, 2010 8:21 pm ET

"It makes no difference what men think of war........War endures. One might as well ask men what they think of stone. War was always here.
Before man was, war waited for him"

(Cormac McCarthy, Blood Meridian)


RENGAM CHANDRAN   February 22nd, 2010 3:30 am ET

No war or wealth can replace the Love & Peace & Life of the Human Race for Eternity of Happyness ! Knowledge & Power will Lead us all
out off this Black Pit of Pain & Suffering by a Natural Death of Self Destruction in this Universe of Man's Making.


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