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February 11, 2010

Bill Clinton hospitalized following chest 'discomfort,' gets stents

Posted: 06:46 PM ET

Bill Clinton takes bottles of water out of his plane January 18 at the international airport for Port-au-Prince, Haiti.New York (CNN) - Former President Bill Clinton was in "good spirits" Thursday after undergoing a procedure to insert two stents into one of his coronary arteries, his office said.

Clinton was hospitalized at the Columbia Campus of New York-Presbyterian Hospital after experiencing chest pain, according to Douglas Band, counselor to the former president.

Despite other media reports that he had left the hospital, Clinton remained there Thursday evening, a spokesman for the hospital said.

Clinton's wife, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, left the White House after a meeting in the Oval Office and headed to New York, a State Department official said.

In a written statement, Band said: "President Clinton is in good spirits, and will continue to focus on the work of his Foundation and Haiti's relief and long-term recovery efforts."

Clinton hasn't left the public eye since he left the White House, maintaining an active schedule devoted to global philanthropic interests and speeches. His latest role as the U.N. special envoy for Haiti has taken him twice to the earthquake-ravaged island nation and he is leading efforts to raise money for the hard-hit area.

A stent is a tiny tube that is inserted into a narrowed or blocked vessel to open it up and allow blood to travel through, according to CNN's chief medical correspondent Sanjay Gupta.

Clinton underwent quadruple bypass surgery in 2004 at New York-Presbyterian. Doctors in 2005 removed scar tissue and fluid that had built up following that surgery.

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Brenda S   February 11th, 2010 6:50 pm ET

Hoping for a speedy recovery for former President Bill Clinton.


Maura   February 11th, 2010 7:07 pm ET

Get well soon Bill. Bless you.


Cindy   February 11th, 2010 7:13 pm ET

President Clinton, I hope you make a complete recovery. God bless.


trm   February 11th, 2010 7:34 pm ET

Please take it easy! Speedy recovery.


troup   February 11th, 2010 7:36 pm ET

hes a tough man. he will pull through even though hes a democrate


A. Smith, Oregon   February 11th, 2010 7:45 pm ET

Good thing Bubba is a millionaire and has the best health insurance that money can buy! Layperson's seldom have 50,000 dollars laying around for emergency heart stints surgery. Very few people realize that 10 years is the average expected extension that a person receives with quadruple bypass-surgery. In other words, if the person that receives quadruple bypass surgery lives longer than 10 years or doesn't need additional surgery on that issue they are beating the odds.

Bubba Clinton received quadruple bypass heart surgery in 2004.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   February 11th, 2010 8:43 pm ET

Had concerns for Mr Clinton before......... as the several times I had seen him appear on television in recent times..........I thought that he looked a bit below par.

I hope all goes well for him.


maxine   February 11th, 2010 9:07 pm ET

Get well soon President Clinton!! We know you are in demand, but please take care of yourself. We don't want to lose you.Love you!!


di   February 11th, 2010 9:45 pm ET

take care of your self pres. Clinton...health is wealth! i pray for your immediate recovery..


Tony   February 11th, 2010 10:00 pm ET

My thoughts are with you Mr. Clinton. Hoping for a speedy recovery!


A. Smith, Oregon   February 11th, 2010 10:08 pm ET

Larry King, for those millions without health insurance and adequate health care, what would have happened to them? Shown the door?


molly   February 11th, 2010 10:17 pm ET

Larry,
Thank you for sharing about your procedure a month ago. I pray for your continued good health.


Dan Robertson   February 11th, 2010 10:18 pm ET

Larry: I had a left mammary artery bypass in December 1976. Then, 4 stents about 4 years ago.. and still going strong..

Dan


jack   February 11th, 2010 10:26 pm ET

Good that Bill Clinton is doing well. Thanks for sharing your experiences, Larry. I hope this also raises awareness to the very important fact that there are millions of fine American citizens that are dying daily who can't afford insurance or cannot afford the co-pay etc. May the Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats who have been obstructing a single payer , public option, or extended Medicare plan be aware that we are holding you accountable to do your job. Sitting on the sidelines and getting your corporate insurance money just won't hack it. You can't fool all the Americans all of the time.


Wanda   February 11th, 2010 10:30 pm ET

Great coverage and very educational. I would like to see cardiologist discuss heart failure; particularly right-sided heart failure due to pulmonary hypertension. I was diagnosed five years ago with this heart disease. My cardiologist has not been able to determine if it is primary or secondary. They should also be more discussion about heart attacks in women.


jack   February 11th, 2010 10:41 pm ET

A large number of heart attacks could be avoided by simply giving up tobacco, especially the way many addicts use it, all day long.


molly   February 11th, 2010 10:41 pm ET

Thank you again for the segment with your cardiologist. Larry King, you have said a number of times on your show how great you felt after your surgery 20 years ago and how glad you were that you had it done. I am sure those comments have given a number of people the extra courage needed to face the same surgery. Keep on sharing!


jack   February 11th, 2010 10:51 pm ET

I admire people like Bill Clinton and Larry King, who can have major heart health issues, but continue on vibrantly. May you both continue to feel fine, as well those who have posted here that have shared their heart illness stories. May we become a more compassionate country, and get a public funded comprehensive health care bill passed.


Henya, Ca   February 11th, 2010 10:51 pm ET

I like the governor of NY he is very eloquent and I hope that people just live hem alone,


molly   February 11th, 2010 10:53 pm ET

I am suspicious of Governor Paterson's comments. Did I hear him right? He said the rumors are not founded. Did he actually say whether or not they were true?


Cindy   February 11th, 2010 11:00 pm ET

@Henya, CA
I agree with you; I love the governor and I hope he is re-elected.
I had to laugh out loud when Larry said he's never heard it said about the NYT that they were out to get someone.


jack   February 11th, 2010 11:00 pm ET

Good luck to Govenor Paterson. If he is serving the people of New York well, I hope they cut him some slack. It is easy to start rumors and then make the other person have to try to disprove them.


Brenda S   February 11th, 2010 11:05 pm ET

Not necessarily true if Heart Disease runs in your family–Know one is a known smoker in your family. So, how does tabocco apply to the none smoking family?


Sam   February 11th, 2010 11:30 pm ET

Wishes for a Speedy recovery


jack   February 11th, 2010 11:48 pm ET

@Brenda S...Did not say it was cause of all cases, I said it is linked to very many cases. This is no secret. I am not condemning anyone, just relating some solid information rather than many myths that are spread through the media concerning various risks.


jack   February 12th, 2010 12:01 am ET

Also the corporate food industries load the processed foods which dominate the grocery store shelves with terrible heart-toxic things such as trans fats, high fructose corn syrup, salt, additives, dyes, white flour , and many other sweetners and other additives. The poor and those isolated from better food sources often consume more of the processed foods than others. The very wealthy order organic, and wholesome foods oftentimes, that are no longer available to the average person. Urge your legislators to have the FDA ban harmful additives. Have your Republican legialators stop taking corporate gifts from big insurance, and vote for a public option health care plan , that kicks in right away. Without proper healthcare, these foods and other environmental pollutants will shorten many lives.


Cindy   February 12th, 2010 12:13 am ET

@A. Smith,
Everything that is wrong is not always connected to Republicans and the medical community. Do you know how long helpful information on prevention of heart disease has been made available to the country as well as information for those who have heart disease. I am wondering why we never talk about individual responsibility. There are many foods that are heart-healthy and also not terribly expensive. Shouldn't we start with ourselves. If we are able to obtain medical insurance for everyone, what would you recommend be done to ensure everyone takes personal responsibility, both for their own well being and also to reduce healthcare dollars?


jack   February 12th, 2010 12:26 am ET

I meant FFDA should be urged to ban harmful food additives. They should leave the natural food and supplement people alone, and concentrate on the poisons put into processed commercial foods.


Cindy   February 12th, 2010 12:31 am ET

@Jack, I agree about the harmful food additives. But you say natural food. Maybe we should go back a little further and start with NON- genetically engineered food.


jack   February 12th, 2010 12:37 am ET

@Cindy...That is very true, so things continue to get more and more degraded, if profit rather than health takes priority.


Cindy   February 12th, 2010 12:41 am ET

@Jack, yes it is a lot about profit. I do think, however, that we don't take enough responsibility ourselves. There is a serious lack of education and I think in part it's due to lack of interest. It seems some think it's just easier to complain while at the same time, not doing what they themselves could do now.


Cindy   February 12th, 2010 12:53 am ET

Good evening, Jack. It's getting late for me; will check in tomorrow.


jack   February 12th, 2010 12:54 am ET

@Cindy... Yes, I consider the personal responsibility part should be the first tier of health for Americans. If several common sense measures were practiced by more people ,it would greatly reduce illness and hospital visits. However, knowing that many will not change their habits, (unless forced to, which would not be prcatical or right thing to do) we need a comprehensive publicly supported public health care option to insure that all people will have safety net, regardless of income . At this time the Republicans and a handful of right wing Democrats have prevented a good health care bill to pass. I cannot say what their motives are in all cases, however, I think large contributions from corporate interests has had a great deal of influence. Also, a lot of propaganda has been released from the corporate insurance companies , which urges uninformed citizens to act against their own best interests.


jack   February 12th, 2010 12:57 am ET

@Cindy...Goodnight, thanks for your insights and comments.


Cindy   February 12th, 2010 1:02 am ET

@Jack,
Just caught your last email as I was about to shut down. If we don't take more responsibility ourselves for our health, primarily our diet and weight, no smoking, exercise, etc., the cost of the safety net will be as unbearable as the current cost of healthcare so there needs to be changes on many fronts. I wish it were as easy a fix as many seem to think it can be.
Again, have a good evening and we can pick up on this later. No doubt there will be plenty of future discussions on the subject here on LKL.


Dodie   February 12th, 2010 3:04 am ET

@ Jack

Very well stated blog.

You brought up some excellent issues regarding processed foods containing trans fat, fructose corn syrup, additives, dyes and the list goes on. It is very surprising the amount of additives that are placed in food. It would be advisable for everyone to read all the labels. Even with that, one never knows what is actually contained in the food that is not on the label, unless you grow your own food.

Research studies off the California coast indicate the bottle nose dolphin, top of the food chain, contains mega amounts of dichlorodiphenyl-trichloroethane (DDT) stored in their body fat, giving evidence that pesticides used today still contain DDT even though it is never advertised. The run-off water containing DDT from the soil flows down the rivers into the oceans where it is stored in all life forms. It might be interesting to conduct DDT levels along with other toxins to determine our absorption.

Taking responsibility is a key ingredient; however, genetics seems to be the most profound of all.


Luis B Rosario   February 12th, 2010 3:22 am ET

@Dodie
@Larry King
Long Live the former Presidente Clinton (one of the greatest
USA in history).


Luis B Rosario   February 12th, 2010 3:25 am ET

@Larry King
Former president Bill Clinton one of the greatest USA presidents
in history).


Dodie   February 12th, 2010 3:31 am ET

@ Luis B Rosario

I have always liked Bill Clinton! I may not agree with him all the time; however, I respect him for all the help he has given others over the years! He is a good man! I certainly wish him a speedy recovery!


Luis B Rosario   February 12th, 2010 3:58 am ET

@Dodie
I thought that DDT had been outlawed. Is it still in use in your state?


Marry   February 12th, 2010 4:00 am ET

Bill Clinton is a great man and a hero. He is very human, very intelligent and very hard working for the good of all. My thoughts are with him and his family. I wish him well and hope he will get well soon. There is still so much to do and we need him and people very badly.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 12th, 2010 4:04 am ET

Does the masters of the Republican Party want people to live longer lives? Simple enough question.

The way I see it, the resounding answer is NO they do not. They do not want more people collecting Social Security and using Medicare-Medicaid.

What they want is a young work force that will work in their corporate factorys for slave wages. Why have corporations loaded up their foods with cheap trans-fats, and highly questionable bio-engineered milk and corn products? They are protected by the laws written specifically by Republican lawmakers limiting civil liability's against them.

DDT has a very long half-life before it begins to break down into inert compounds. For several years here in America, Breast Milk from mothers contained a sizable amount of DDT. Imagine feeding DDT to your infant baby, thanks to Corporate Greed and corrupt farming practices!

Many American corporations simply do not care about what their products do to some consumers some 20-30 years later, what they want is a quick bang for their investments. Hit and run. For years their puppet Republican lawmakers have let them get away with these sorbid practices.

Only real changes come thru consumer awareness. American consumers armed with real choices can prevail in the market places of today and tomorrow.


Dodie   February 12th, 2010 4:12 am ET

@ Luis B Rosario

Yes, Luis! It was supposed to be outlawed years ago, but the pesticides used today still contain a good amount of DDT. They just do not advertise or let anyone know. It is a well known fact within the Research alliance! Just Google "DDT in California bottlenose dolphin"

It is always amazing what the industry disavows!!


Luis B Rosario   February 12th, 2010 4:14 am ET

@Dodie
@Marry
@Larry King
Like I stated Fmr Pres. William Clinton was one of the greatest
if not the greatest of all time in the good old USA. We had
the best economic times during his tenure and when he left office
we had 3 thrillion dollars in the black. (in the plus). I believe that
was the correct figure. The U.S. economy bounced back from
the calamities of the early 90s under while he was at the helm.


Dodie   February 12th, 2010 4:15 am ET

@ A. Smith

Good information on your blog. The incidences and levels within the bottlenose dolphin have increased over years, giving evidence that DDT is still used.


Luis B Rosario   February 12th, 2010 4:22 am ET

@Dodie
If you say so I believe you. You are a well-versed encyclopedia, in my
opinion. Thanks for the info.


Dodie   February 12th, 2010 4:23 am ET

@ Luis B Rosario

You are correct. Clinton certainly helped our country back on its feet. The only issue I have with Clinton was he signed the NAFTA which allows corporations to outsource to other countries in order to minimize costs and regulation.


Dodie   February 12th, 2010 4:26 am ET

@ Luis B Rosario

Ah Luis, always a good idea to check out other people's blogs. They could misinterpret the information. Even what we read in books, news etc is not necessarily correct! Thank you for your kindness!


Dodie   February 12th, 2010 4:29 am ET

Good night A. Smith and Luis Rosario! Have a wonderful evening... well now morning 🙂 Be Safe and rest well!


Luis B Rosario   February 12th, 2010 4:36 am ET

@Dodie
I completely agree with you. NAFTA gave us the jitters and we
still fill the tremors. Well, nobody is perfect . To err is human.
I guess he probably is feeling sorry for that ill-advised decision
(I hope he does). It open the door for unscrupulous corporations
to pack their gear and move their employment abroad where
they put people to work in sweat shops for a "lot dollars less."
(slavery is still present in other countries).


adeoye   February 12th, 2010 4:54 am ET

We all in Nigeria are wishing you speedy recovery..a strong man never backs down........


Luis B Rosario   February 12th, 2010 4:58 am ET

@dodie
My kindness your earned and your knowledge, too.
Have a good night-err-day.


Ranjit   February 12th, 2010 11:26 am ET

President Bill Clinton
We are praying for your recovery! God be with you.


Marc L. Tenzer, MD   February 12th, 2010 7:35 pm ET

Larry, as you personally know, there has been a huge advancement in the field of cardiology over the past two decades. Even though heart disease is common, it is no longer the death sentence it once was, with patients surviving for many productive years. This is possible because of the availability of 24hr/day emergency cardiac care, such as that provided to President Clinton yesterday.

What if patient's access to cardiologists was to become restricted due to the extraordinary large cuts in Medicare such that cardiologists were forced to close their practices? This is precisely what is happening now. Medicare cut reimbursements to cardiologists by 13-40% on January 1st and there is an additional 22% cut scheduled for March 1st. No business, not even a lemonade stand can survive this type of cut! These cuts will lead to restricted access to cardiac care, particularly for seniors.

It is critically imperative that Congress act immediately to reverse these cuts and allow cardiology in this country to flourish.

Marc L. Tenzer, MD, FACC, FACP
Cardiologist, Chicago


James31   February 12th, 2010 9:08 pm ET

Genetics can certainly increase our likelihood for cardiovascular disease. However, there are so many advances in medicine that much can be done to thwart problems even when the genetics lean that way. But that's where the personal responsibility comes into the equation. Without that, the genetics will take over. And, of course, it goes without saying that those with favorable genetics have to do the same since we are all candidates for cardiovascular disease.

Glad to see President Clinton back home and making a nice recovery.


James31   February 12th, 2010 9:57 pm ET

@Dr. Tenzer,
Thank you for your post; this is the part of the healthcare debate that is often overlooked.


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 12th, 2010 10:24 pm ET

I had some of this heart surgery stuff and they give you some good stuff like lots of pain killers and Morphine but the meals suck .


A. Smith, Oregon   February 12th, 2010 10:28 pm ET

@ James, indeed it appears that Genetics plays a very important role in preventing heart disease as well as causing heart disease.

Unfortunately, Medical Ethics in regards to Genetics is very questionable at best. A great deal of research and taxpayer dollars have been spent on creating genetically engineered virus's which are more dangerous than the world has ever seen and very little in comparison to using Genetics to correct any of hundreds of diseases which have plagued humanity since the dawn of humankind.


michael armstrong sr. TX.   February 12th, 2010 10:34 pm ET

My Doc's the best Sherman Heart group in Sherman Texas Dr. Tocatjian is the best thanks Dr. T.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 12th, 2010 10:39 pm ET

Stephene Miller is hitting on all 8 cylinders Larry. Thank-you for having her on your show. I would pay mega dollars to see her in a cage fight in the Octagon with Bill O'Reilly.


Luis B Rosario   February 13th, 2010 12:20 am ET

@jJames 31
@ A. Smith
Genetics plays a role in many diseases but there are environmental
and psychological externals that can trigger a chain reaction capable of
devastating an otherwise healthy individual; i.e., anxiety, stress,
depression, virus(es) and malnutrition are just some malign products
that can affect your health even in an unremarkable body. A combination
of two ingredients is a bad potion, three or more are life-threatening and
altogether are a lethal cocktail that can topple anybody like a tornado
uprooting a tree. 'It is dangerous to be alive." (LBR)


Lahiny Pierre   February 13th, 2010 9:16 am ET

I am happy our former President is back to form but he must understand the following message from the Haitian mass. He says Haiti is his love and close to his heart. That heart gave away. He must recognize Haitian sovereignty. The mass of Haiti is not without consciousness. Ignoring our rights to self govern will not lead to a Haiti for Haitians but to occupation. United Nations
Development Program paying Haitians 75c. an hour does not work with the Haitian mass vision for a new Haiti. We thank the former President but Haiti declared autonomy hundreds of years ago. We should not have to dispute seniority here.

In the context of creating a new Haiti, the old Haiti will return. The old Haiti that was declared an enemy of western civilizations and values. The enemy that proclaimed Black Power to the world as the POWER of RESISTANCE. The power of influence to liberate Latin America and propel abolitionists world wide.

In the haste to rebuild a new Haiti, let's become aware of the following:
Haiti will not become a model of western democracy. Haitian value system and life mode is communal. The new Haiti will not function as dictated by Haitian scholars who represent western ideologies. There's a lot of "big talk" using "big words" but the new Haiti will not be influenced by those concepts because they do not fit our make up. The outside views that Haitians are incapable need to be immediately abolished. It is important to reshape the scope of evaluation for Haiti because change is coming reguardless.

Is it so wise to pin point Haitian failure on every attempt? I live in a country where nothing works for the poor. The poor pays taxes and gets zero representation to influence. The politicians and government lie, steal, plot, extort, bribe, conspire, invade, kill, torment, torture, denigrate... yet, we do not insist on their ineffectiveness and poor judgment. Haitians always say, "Dan pouri gin fos sou bannan mi" "Rotten teeth show strength with bananas".

Who are the people who have been enjoying Haiti and its beauty? It is not the massive poor Haitians. More than 45 thousand international personnel along with well to do Haitians enjoy the best plot of land, housing, the best hotels, the beaches, the delicacies, an the resources. In this case Haiti has been functioning well! It has managed to uplift the rich and privileged while downing the massive poor. This is in perfect alliance with western ideology. The massive poor Haitian says no to this arrangement and it is best to listen and adhere.
So one cannot blame anyone for the state of Haiti because I am part a society where one does not cast blames. We do not take ownership for ill doings, only accept the awards and the bravado.

Haitians are responsible for allowing the enemy to infiltrate our systems. It is Haitians who have sold over the country, it will have to be Haitians who take charge of its renewal. We should forget the international sanctions, we should forget the importation of 30 yr old frozen goods New Yorkers wouldn't even feed their rats. We should forget the destruction of the black pigs, our rice fields, or coffee, cocoa, sugar, molasses, the avocados and mangoes. Let us also forget that while we have been under major international debts, the nations that owe us reparation are primary in the list of the nations stiffing our growth.

How can one expect Haiti to mimic the organization of any other state, especially the super powers, when the ideals grounding the formation of Haiti are based on maintaining A FREE BLACK NATION. The demise of Haiti has been the struggle to maintain a free state and the influence of our most prominent western educated scholars who are obviously regurgitating "massa" language and law. In the presence of chaos, hunger, illiteracy, political upheavals, floods, cyclones, earthquakes, when one lands on Haiti soil it is love at first breath. Why? For most folks it is the first time they breathe freedom air (what is left of it). Ask any Haitian and they will say, stepping off that plane into Haiti soil, all the bills and the stress of a democratic nation go AWAY.

Debates are wonderful but they commit to no actualization of work that leads to progress. "Min anpil chay pa lou. Pise krapo enkouraje la rivye desann. Nan pami diri ti roche goute gres." The proverbial messages make up our foundation and should dictate to anyone the philosophies guiding Haitian life style. "Many hands make the cargo light. Even the frog's piss encourages the river's flow. Among the rice, little rocks are sure to taste grease."
In the community of life one is as strong as the next being.

So all of a sudden CNN updates us on drug trafficking in Haiti, DR and the rest of Latin America. Absurd! This recent news update only reinforces the fact that US intention to deliver aid to Haiti is tinted with outside motives. That is why about 22,000 troops are off the coast of Haiti. 900 UN troops inside the country not to mentions US troops inside and OMG we cannot forget Brazilian troops et al...
So what if all these personnel and military folks were to really focus on relief, to focus on providing relief to the massive poor? The result would be different but they would not play into the master plan.
What is the master plan? The master plan has always been the same when it comes to providing Haitians in Haiti with international aid. "We let them starve till they riot. That only gives us more ground to stay down there and monitor the Latin American drug trade."


SuzieHintCue   February 13th, 2010 10:23 am ET

Larry, I wish you, and President Clinton, the best of health. May both live a very long and fruitful life. The world needs you. Long live the President and the King!


stuci   February 14th, 2010 8:44 am ET

I wish Clinton got good helth!I wish,he would be the president forever,it would be good for the US and for the whole world!


Luis B Rosario   February 14th, 2010 3:23 pm ET

@Lahine Pierre
@Doldie
You know Pierre, I don't have time to go over your E-mail
trash now. I will respond later when I read your letter point by
point. But to me you sound an ingrate, talking nonsense out
of your "viper" like mouth full of venom to inject it indiscriminately
against Clinton and the all the nations that are helping Haiti
druing this catostrophe. Nothing has happened yet. The country
is still in shambles. There is nothing there but human carnage,
disease, anguish, grief, stress, depression, hunger, thirst and
confusion and here you talking stupidity about soveignty of the
country(island). What we will happen if the USA and other countries
reccue and recovery team will leave Haiti now. What would you
soverignty for? What about anarchy? When was the last time
time Haiti was a sovereign country. Haitian people in Haiti
have not been free for than a hundred years, suffering from
near slavery, opression and savagery from one dictatorship to
another. The island had been in near ruins long before the
earthquake ransacked of its treasury and of its natural resources
by unscrupulous people and its dictators advocating "sovereignty
you. You sovereignty" You could have Haiti now the way it is
and make sovereign for yourself. Leave former president Cllinton
alone with his bad heart. He doesn't need "hyenas " like you to tell
him to stay off- Haiti's internal affairs. I guess he doen't need
the headache either for people like. But he will not listen to you
because he care about the poor and the opressed in your country,
not to blind, deft and mutes like you who don't suffer from the
aforementioned diseases but you are worse that if you have them.
I will expand more later. I just could not resist to fire a salvo at your
renegade pirate boat. I wish someboby with power from the Haitian
community will shut your mouth to prevent it from spewing "vile"
at such delicate time when of turnmoil and distress when the
people from Haiti are still surfing through the rubbish, the debris,
and the craters left behind by mother nature. I mean the calimity
in Hati leaves no room for militant politics at this time. I hope
that you understand that and comprehend that I sincerely believe
that 85 percent of the people ilvolved with the Haitian catostrophe
cause are doing without ulterior motives. There must be some
that are taking advantage of the situation and the conditions thereat,
but I believe that former president Clinton is not one othe them.
I wish him a prompt and healthy recovery.
P.S. I got nothing personal against you because I don't you and even
if I knew you . I have respect for you opinions as long as they are not
loaded with innuendo, conspiracy, deceit and the pursuit of destructive
political agenda "just to satisfy you." (your ego).
I hope that I'm correct in attacking your essay. I may be wrong.
If I'm which happens often, I apologize in advance. I'm not afraid
of repercussions, when I write an opinion in good faith. I shouldn't
have time to be involved with Haiti (most of us don't have time) but
I'm doing what most people are doing "trying to help out " one way
or another for the people of Haiti as a country in need of help,"
to try to bring them back from the tragedy, the despair, the blight
and the plight that this catastrophe caused. Recovery just begun;
complete reconstruction (if ever) may take take 20 years.?
Luis


Navajo Joe   February 14th, 2010 6:01 pm ET

@Luis B. Rosario

How can you say that all in one breath? I liked it, but I needed oxygen after I read it...very well said. I haven't read what Pierre has said, but your convictions to cause are well taken. I like that, very well done...


Navajo Joe   February 14th, 2010 6:20 pm ET

@Lahiny Pierre

I see why Luis has responded the way Luis has. You do make valid point and there is history, without doubt, to support it. But truth and delusion are much like water and oil. There is a lot of media in the area and many roller-coaster type opinions filling the media, but don't turn a blind eye to the assistance the world is giving your, if I gather your Haitian, country. You command of French leads me to not doubt that, but your neglect to recognize the care and commitment to improve a disastrous situation leaves me wondering what the catalyst of your concern really is. This is what I see in the response by Luis, as well.


Luis B Rosario   February 14th, 2010 8:42 pm ET

@
Navajo Joe
Thanks friend. I appreciate your input not only because it safisfies
my opinion but because I believe that it is a valid argument not
without taking into consideration that Pierre's right to write
is as good as mine. I made a lot of typos because I was writing
on the fly(although I'm not good at writing even when I take my time).
Perphaps we can learn from comments like yours and others.


Navajo Joe   February 14th, 2010 9:54 pm ET

@Luis B. Rosario

Hey, your welcome, I see where you were coming from, the heart. Don't misunderstand, I do feel that Lahiny has valid material to extract valid opinion from. I feel he has very deep love for his people, as for his country, and realizes they are in a quandary, which they are. Where you and I solidly agree is "don't bite the hand that feeds you". My french is pitiful, but to Lahiny, "ne mord pas la main qui vous nourrit". He, in my opinion, is not a bad person, by no means, just critically concerned and is very compassionate about his Haiti. I just would like him to realize and admit, if only to himself; the world has changed considerably in the last 40 years. That change has, for the most part, been rather good, I think. Maybe Lahiny should not emphasize on the 'hate'...in Haitis' past. We all have dirty laundry. Take care.....


Cajazz76:24:8   February 14th, 2010 10:04 pm ET

@ Navajo Joe

I see you have your collar on. You must be sitting with your legs crossed, high up on a hill, as well. Seems you are ready to give communion, now that you administered absolution.


Navajo Joe   February 14th, 2010 10:09 pm ET

@caj

Where are you when you're not needed? Just thought I would practice my international diplomacy skills, It's Valentines Day caj. Where's the love?


Cajazz76:24:8   February 14th, 2010 10:16 pm ET

@ Neva- Joe

I been saving it, just for your horses. I going to head over to g-vine for a quick dinner. I'll be back if you put your black gown in the closet and take the collar off.


Navajo Joe   February 14th, 2010 10:19 pm ET

@caj

The clothes don't make the man, the woman does. Later you meager wanderer.


Luis B Rosario   February 15th, 2010 12:09 am ET

@Navajo Joe
@Cajazz
Thanks friend.
I understand and I truly hope that he means well for everyone
should try to protect their country from evil rather than from the
devil.


Dodie   February 15th, 2010 1:26 am ET

@ Navajo Joe
@Cajazz
@Luis B Rosario

Waving to everyone... Good evening

Ah Navajo... Luis has a lot to say! He is very good at articulating and multi tasking!! lol


Dodie   February 15th, 2010 1:30 am ET

@Luis B. Rosario

I love your essay. It looks like you have all your basis covered. I love the quantitative ending sentences. You have me laughing


Luis B Rosario   February 15th, 2010 1:57 am ET

@dodie
Thanks Dodie You were MIA for a while. Welcome back.


Luis B Rosario   February 15th, 2010 2:07 am ET

@ Dodie I
I just try to be as honest as possible but sometimes I
inadvertently become bias. It is the human trait called
selfishness that supersedes reason


Luis B Rosario   February 15th, 2010 3:28 am ET

@Dodie
I missed your reply. I guess you are still having technical problems.


irene gavilan   February 16th, 2010 3:28 pm ET

Get well soon Bill. We all need you and want you to be healthy and very much alive!
Love and all my best wishes for you and your family, from Spain,
IRENE


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