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February 4, 2010

U.S. missionaries charged with kidnapping in Haiti

Posted: 05:23 PM ET

NOTE: Tune in tonight when we speak with the PRIME MINISTER OF HAITI – we'll be talking about this story and the latest from Haiti – what do you want us to ask the Prime Minister? Let us know!

Ten Americans who were detained last week while trying to take 33 Haitian children out of the country were charged Thursday with kidnapping children and criminal association, a government official said.

Information Minister Marie Laurence Lassegue's announcement came shortly after the five men and five women left a hearing at the prosecutor's office.

The Americans - members of a church group - got into two vehicles, which were driven back to the jail where they have been held since they were taken into custody. Appearing solemn, they did not respond to questions from reporters. A few sang hymns.

The Americans were turned back Friday as they tried to take the children across the border into the Dominican Republic without proper documentation. They said they were going to house them in a converted hotel in that country and later move them to an orphanage they were building there.

The Americans have said they were just trying to help the children leave the earthquake-stricken country.

Some of the detained Americans have said they thought they were helping orphans, but their interpreters said Wednesday that they were present when group members spoke with the children's parents. Some parents in a village outside Port-au-Prince said they had willingly given their children over to the Americans, who promised them a better life and who said they could see their children whenever they wanted to.

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lindafromnewyork   February 4th, 2010 6:00 pm ET

This is what I call taking advantage of a situation. If they were on the up and up why didn't get documentationf or these kids. Give me a break.


Theresa   February 4th, 2010 6:25 pm ET

Lesson number 1-do your homework. When visiting foreign country–learn the law of the land. IGNORANCE is not BLISS!!! Question to self–did I learn any lessons today??????


A. Smith, Oregon   February 4th, 2010 7:41 pm ET

YEA! Give those 10 Kidnappers LONG Prison sentences, and HARD LABOR. Force them to work in the clean up effort in prison work crews!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 4th, 2010 8:00 pm ET

Let the Haitian legal system prevail. They may not have the halls of justice still standing, but buried somewhere in the rubble I'll bet they'll find their constitution and laws written to abide by it....case closed...for those of us that peer in through the media. When looking from afar into the function of a foreign country 'we the gawker's' should never stand in the way of 'we (they) the people'. Far too many times have we failed to do so. This current dilemma for the Canadian's, now at the hands of those larger than the ones they attempted to violate the rights of, will be a lesson we may have missed in the past. As for us in our present involvement throughout the world delving into matters of less concern than our actions, history will judge.


Joe G. (Illinois)   February 4th, 2010 8:21 pm ET

At one point in time or another conscious ought to kick in for them 10 American Adults. Certainly they claim good intentions and the most loving care for those children.. But did they not ever even once ponder evil?


A. Smith, Oregon   February 4th, 2010 8:28 pm ET

The US State Dept. should butt out of interfering with the Haitian Judicial System in this case of 10 Kidnappers.

Investigative reporters have found that the leader of these 10 Kidnappers was deeply in debt and likely was going to Haiti to make a large amount of money selling these children to child traffickers in The Dominican Republic.

Her business was near bankrupt and her home was possibly close to being foreclosed, this adds creditably to the motives behind kidnapping 30 children and the likely-hood of obtaining large monetary gains from conspiring to commit child trafficking.


Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia   February 4th, 2010 8:48 pm ET

Hi everyone.

Great to be back.

Yep. they deserve this.
The Haitians may be poor. But they too have dignity.
The group is clearly taking advantage of the situation.
The Americans can provide all the comforts of life.
But the kids need to stay in their own surroundings and with the people they love and know, dire the situation may be.


Cindy   February 4th, 2010 8:51 pm ET

The woman, Laura Silsby, who apparently is the leader of this endeavor has had several civil suits against her. She was CEO of a company and was eWomen'sNetwork International Business Woman of the Year in 2006. She is being sued by several employees for not paying their wages. She is due in court this month. It is quite possible that she influenced the other members of this team and they were simply very naive, believing in her. This suit is just one of many problems she has.


DR. GARY   February 4th, 2010 8:54 pm ET

I’m hot over this one. Why? Because there are 300,000 on the streets. #1 (Not it doesn’t make it right to do what they did.) But the Haitians sell their own kids; thousands upon thousands of children are sold as slaves and yes sex slaves. The problem here is. The corrupt and wicked government (which should be dissolved) didn’t get a kickback. When the president of Hattie’s wife said it was a concern in an interview I thought yes because you may not get kick back and your corrupt attorneys may not be able to sell the child two, three or four times.
The parents of the kids sent them with these missionaries so the kids would have a better life. I think the America should take over Hattie, establish our government there. Stop buying Jap crap and put the companies there and give those people a job. Then perhaps we wouldn’t have so many of them coming to South Florida. The people would love it.
One last thing, if the missionaries were sentenced to 20+ years. We should pull all our supplies, manpower equipment out and let the people rot or, Take over the country. You know what the Bible says,
"take it by force.


DR. GARY   February 4th, 2010 8:59 pm ET

Smith, you talk like one who has been a prisnor.
YEA! Give those 10 Kidnappers LONG Prison sentences, and HARD LABOR. Force them to work in the clean up effort in prison work crews!
It sounds like you didn't get enough hard labor.


DR. GARY   February 4th, 2010 9:03 pm ET

Smith, Oregon February 4th, 2010 8:28 pm ET

The US State Dept. should butt out of interfering with the Haitian Judicial System in this case of 10 Kidnappers.

THATS RIGHT. WE SHOULD TALK OUR PEOPLE, SUPPLIES, EQUIPMENT, DOCTORS AND NURSES AND BUTT OUT. LET THEM TAKE CARE OF THEIR OWN.


lindafromnewyork   February 4th, 2010 9:49 pm ET

I will say as a Haitian American I have never heard of Haitian selling their kids or giving their kids away. Haitians living in Haiti may be poor but that does not mean they would knowingly give their kids away to be used as slaves or sex slaves. I do think that the U.S. should take over because it is very clear to just about every Haitian person that the Haitian Government is totally screwed up. Something has got to be done. This is really Sad.


Dodie   February 4th, 2010 10:02 pm ET

James Ray did not conduct a spiritual sweat lodge... He conducted a SWEAT BOX!!!

So devastated, he continued making money on conducting lectures, etc...

He is only unhappy because he got caught!


Broxton GA   February 4th, 2010 10:05 pm ET

I believe that Haiti should charge and hold the missionaries responsible for their actions and the crimes that they have committed. If they committed the crime there they should face the charges there and what ever penalties that Haiti hold for those crimes. Our government should not be helping to get them out if they committed a crime. If Haitians were over here and kidnapping our children we would not want Haiti to come and get them before they are allowed to face our courts and our punishments.


Dodie   February 4th, 2010 10:06 pm ET

James Ray has a long history preying upon the insecurities and vulnerabilities of the rich who are looking for meaning in life. Ray attempted to copy a Native American spiritual experience to sell his retreat for $10,000 each. It is very tragic that he had no idea what he was doing as he used “Plastic” for the sweat box (lodge) creating non-breathable toxic conditions. It is a miracle not more died from this experience.


Cindy   February 4th, 2010 10:08 pm ET

@lindafromnewyork,
Thank you for your message. It is kind of you as a Haitian American not to be judge and jury for this group as to many Americans have decided to be. Given the situation with the Haitian government, I hope these people have a fair chance.


Dodie   February 4th, 2010 10:10 pm ET

Being a tribal member, I am hoping the positive from this tragic experience will be a law against all sweat box activities! Sweat lodges ONLY on tribal land! James Ray along with others have no conception of the damage they do. Transforming a spiritual experience into a money grubbing million dollar industry just makes me sick to my stomach. Frankly, I am really tired of this kind of crap!


Nicholas Weber   February 4th, 2010 10:11 pm ET

Helping the people or Haiti should not be done by just anyone, at least in the physical sense. No one should take matters into their own hands. If anything like this happens again the government should be just as strict. People need to know that both America and Haiti are very concerned about the children.


Shawn Glick   February 4th, 2010 10:12 pm ET

Larry, what is a sweat lodge?


jeane   February 4th, 2010 10:12 pm ET

I went t to public school and work for a living no PHD or nothing. I live in urban city and even I know better. The whole story has a file smell. None of those people look like they were there for the long haul to set up an orphanage. Who was going to take care of the kids when they came back to the USA?


Dodie   February 4th, 2010 10:16 pm ET

Larry

I certainly hope this experience will prove into law that sweat boxes will be illegal unless on tribal land or those who carry a Native American Card!


A. Smith, Oregon   February 4th, 2010 10:19 pm ET

With all of the missing bodys from the Haitian earthquake, there is likely a glut of donated organs, cadaver tendons, ligaments, corneas and skin for transplanting into living people on the very lucrative medical donor market.


Tawny Beard-Landers   February 4th, 2010 10:21 pm ET

Although I believe the intentions of the American families were a positive one, I have to question when we as Americans are going to stop believing that "our" way is the only way that all should live by. What makes these (or any of us) believe that this children were unhappy and wanted to leave their homeland?? When are we going to realize that money, big houses, etc does not mean happiness?? We need to stop imposing our beliefs and ways of life that we think are "normal" and start accepting others for who they are and ask what they would like or need. What rich lives we all could have.


Tammy   February 4th, 2010 10:25 pm ET

I will not donate another dime to Haitis cause if they don't release the 10 American Missionaries. USA should pull out their time and money if they do not turn over our citizens who obviously went there to help and simply got some very poor advice.


Alistair Skeffington, Georgia   February 4th, 2010 10:27 pm ET

Mr. Prime Minister, can you please set up a Virtual National Palace website where you can keep us updated on all development in Haiti.


Dodie   February 4th, 2010 10:29 pm ET

@ Tawny Beard-Landers

Well Stated! I completely agree with you.

The close knit family ties which are important to this culture along with dignity are not even being addressed. There are programs in which people can send money monthly to a family in order to help them raise a child. It is a supportive program that allows children to live with their families in their culture but provide education, health care.


Tammy   February 4th, 2010 10:32 pm ET

The only reason Haiti is concerned about this is because Haitis main source of revenue is selling their orphans. The Hatian government would loose money on these children the missionaries were trying to help. The comment by A. Smith from Oregon, about the Baptist leader trying to get rich off of these orphans is the most paranoid, ridiculous, thing I've ever heard. Watch, listen, and learn the facts befor you speak.


Brian Riback - Waldwick, NJ   February 4th, 2010 10:33 pm ET

Larry...A question for the Prime Minister...does it bother him that it took a tragedy of this degree for the world to start paying such attention to Haiti? Why has it not mattered until now?


A. Smith, Oregon   February 4th, 2010 10:33 pm ET

Stealing children is a crime. The only thing missing in this story is the bankrupt and soon to be foreclosed home owner leader of these 10 Kidnappers is the statement that says, 'the Christian God, or Allah' told them to do this crime.

They are not a adoption agency, there were not working on behalf of an adoption agency. They stole 30 children, at least 20 of whom they KNEW had surviving or living family members.

They do not appear to have the money to feed 30 children. They appear to have bribed officials in Haiti and in The Dominican Republic in their attempts to kidnap 30 children and sneak them across the Haitian border where is appears they were going to SELL THEM to child traffickers and 'perhaps' wealthy clients in the Western nations for a handsome sum.

Kidnapping Children and Criminal association = long time jail and prison for these 10 people.

I say, put them on prison work crews cleaning up the earthquake debris.


angela   February 4th, 2010 10:34 pm ET

I am glad they got caught, this was wrong. HOWEVER, are the Hiatians asking for help on one hand and using them as leverage for that help? Seems like they are the perfect bargaining chip for aid.
They dont seem to be able to handle anything in this land but have been right on top of this, thats shrewd.


angela   February 4th, 2010 10:35 pm ET

We are the World....it works both ways Haiti.........


James31   February 4th, 2010 10:36 pm ET

@Angela,
Well stated. I totally agree with you.


Dodie   February 4th, 2010 10:37 pm ET

When taking other people's children across the border into another country... is Kidnapping by our laws. The 10 Americans acted very irresponsibly! In actuality, we really do not know all the facts and the full reasons they would try to cross a border without any paperwork! I only hope they have nothing to do with child trafficking!


A. Smith, Oregon   February 4th, 2010 10:37 pm ET

Another 5+ earthquake in N. California, likely zero damage because those homes and business's are engineered for moderate earthquakes unlike the shady offshore American Corporate contractors built buildings in Haiti.


Broxton GA   February 4th, 2010 10:38 pm ET

how would we handle the situation if it was the other way around and they were over here taking our children?


Jean   February 4th, 2010 10:41 pm ET

Why can't the government release the Americans and deport them with a warning never to set foot in Haiti again? It appears that the Haitian government will tarnish its image. The international sector is aiding Haiti and Haiti needs its assistance.
The Haitian government has much to do to assist its nationals and they should get down to the business of doing just that. Instead they are expending money which they do not have to prosecute the church group. For God's sake, let them go!


Linda in Arizona   February 4th, 2010 10:42 pm ET

There was gross, gross negligence by the charlatan Ray. Nice try, but this huckster deserves prison time.


Hannah   February 4th, 2010 10:42 pm ET

Clearly these people had another agenda than the one they claim.
It doesn't take an Einstein to figure that out. Either that or they are the stupidest people on the planet. How did they think they were going to get these kids into the US?


jeane   February 4th, 2010 10:43 pm ET

Sounds like a bribe to me. Release the law breaker who knew better for aid? No thanks, And I'll still give my dime.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 4th, 2010 10:44 pm ET

Larry, the crime was against the Haitian people, let the Haitian people judge and imprison these child kidnappers!

It would be totally unfair to these 30 child victims to try or place them into America's justice system where bribes and corruption along with undue pressure from the Republican bible belt would nullify their crimes.


Jen, MA   February 4th, 2010 10:47 pm ET

I find it disgusting that anyone dare and try to play the "we're helping you so you should let these people go" card. Drop the story in the media, leave them in jail, and let the Haitian Police force get back to taking care of their own who need them so much. It is shameful that these people went there and are using resources that they are taking from others. This was kidnapping while they hoped no one would be looking. Pure and simple.


Bill   February 4th, 2010 10:47 pm ET

Hey Larry, ask the Prime Minister if anyone has paid him a bribe in this case


James31   February 4th, 2010 10:47 pm ET

@A. Smith,
LOL. Yea, don't bring them here; there's too much corruption. Leave them in Haiti where the government and everything else is respectable. Again, LOL. Congrats, though. You always get that Republican dig in don't you.


angela   February 4th, 2010 10:47 pm ET

Dr Gary, you are so right. Cant anybody else see whats wrong here. We have the Haitians self admittedly crippled and unable to even wipe the snot off the face of its children .BUT, they are right on top of this commodity being taken across the borders. They could give less than 2 cents about these kids, they are filthy corrupt and want thier piece of the pie. The kids were the perfect bait for this dumb ass group. they most likely were on high alert for groups like this, thats smart and shrewd to me.
I am not behind any of the Hitian kids being brought here, to me its not the answer. How in the hell do you take help though and hold a group prisoner. I KNOW, you count on the divided Americans to hate the church groups, simple.


Broxton GA   February 4th, 2010 10:50 pm ET

how would we handle the situation if it was the other way around and they were over here taking our children?

What if the Haitians were coming here and taking our children from families even in difficult times and taking them across borders to who knows what kind of fate? What then?


James31   February 4th, 2010 10:50 pm ET

@Angela,
So true. Some Americans hate church groups, any kind of organized religion. But yet they find joining a sweat lodge for a spiritual experience fine. Isn't that a form of religion. I have no problem with either, but I don't sit in judgment all day either.


marie   February 4th, 2010 10:52 pm ET

These "missionaries" broke Haitian law. Simple. They are in Haiti and subject to the law of Haiti. Simple.

They will have to suffer the consequences.


Gerald Jolly   February 4th, 2010 10:52 pm ET

I dont want to be disageeable, but I believe their iontentions were well founded, based on caring for the children.

However, I do agree that the ???CRIME??? was commited in Haiti, and should be tried there.

But no matter what, people from our State Department must be available and in attendance throughout the whole procedure.

The problem is, like most other countries, the Haitian Legal System will say that "IGNORANCE IS NO EXCUSE FOR BREAKING THE LAW"

I believe that the folks were ill advised and for the most part intended to help in their own way.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 4th, 2010 10:54 pm ET

@ angela, forcing children into a lifetime of perverted sex practices or the meaningless life of domestic slavery could have been the fate of these 30 Haitian children after they were sold in The Dominican Republic to the third party these 10 Kidnappers were working with.

Taking, Stealing, Buying Children from their familys is a crime in Haiti and those 10 Kidnappers deserve to be sentenced under Haitian laws and jailed without being pressured by America.


James31   February 4th, 2010 10:55 pm ET

@Angela,
Maybe stay; I think he is agreeing with you somewhat :-).


angela   February 4th, 2010 10:56 pm ET

lol, everyone wants to be a messiah it seems, geesh!


Theresa   February 4th, 2010 10:56 pm ET

@ Dr. Gary-so, you think the US should take over Haiti hmmm-I think the US has enough problems with their gov;t.. Face it-people made mistakes-they have not owned up to it. Consider if aa foreign country decided to step on your boundaries & decided for you that they knew better than you. Don't think you'd like it!!


Linda in Arizona   February 4th, 2010 10:56 pm ET

Gosh, I guess they thought they could just go into another country, and steal children from desperately poor people, hustle them into another country, known for its child sex tourism by the way, and no one would be the wiser. Why do we keep hearing they are "missionaries"? Don't you have to have some training for the job of "missionary", or can a bunch of people just get together and call themselves that? Now AC says they were planning to bring the children back to the US, (this after telling the parents they could come to the Dominican Republic and visit them in the non-existent orphanage with the swimming pool). These people have broken laws, and lied repeatedly and consistently to everyone they came in contact with. Good intentions? I think they were going to adopt them out to parents in the US and charge an "adoption fee". Or worse. I think they're appalling and clearly guilty of trafficking the children. Deepak Chopra should acquaint himself with the facts before calling on the US to intervene in their behalf.


lindafromnewyork   February 4th, 2010 10:56 pm ET

Missionaries or not-How do you go into Haiti and take 30 kids and try to get them across the border into the Domincan Rebublic without proper documentation. What were these people thinking? are Hatians living in Haiti now not only poor, but blind and stupid. These are Haitian kids. The thought of any child being taken like that is sickening let alone the children who are this point going through the worse episode that will probably ever face in their lives. Wether or not their intentions were good, we don't know–they are only ones that know this. It does look suspicious–i have been really afraid of something like this happening because of what is going on in Haiti right now-The children are the most vulnerable. I hope that this deters anyone from trying anything like this again.


marina   February 4th, 2010 10:58 pm ET

The story with children is terrible.
And:
Many people have some questions:
1. What is Haiti's Government doing to help people?
2. There is one DISCREPANCY:
If Haitians are too poor to feed their kids –
How it’s possible that they are wearing too new (not even faded) clothes? – And not one of them but almost all of them???
Just difficult to understand...


James31   February 4th, 2010 10:58 pm ET

@A. Smith,
I think we are jumping to too many conclusions. Anderson Cooper just said they perhaps were planning to bring them to the US. There could be a lot of different motives. Again, Silsby may have had something in mind. Who knows, perhaps she thought if she opened an orphanage, she could get financial support for it which, in turn, would help her personal financial situation. I do not believe there was any intention to sell these children. But I think the whole story will emerge eventually.


Theresa   February 4th, 2010 11:22 pm ET

@James31 It sounds as if the truth is emerging day by day & not on the positive side. Hopefully, this church group will realize that these beautiful children who were used as pawns might have felt like prisoners themselves sitting on that bus enroute to D. Republic.


C Shumate   February 4th, 2010 11:31 pm ET

The Haitian Judicial System should take a moment and reflect on their recent tragedy and future need of assistance. The country was and has continued to be in an emergency mode whereby their government was unable to assist their own people's most basic needs. How dare Haiti now detain Americans who were willing to put their own safety at risk in order to try and help Haitian children. Every year numerous Americans utilize their own savings, vacation time and time away from their own families in order to provide various assistance to 3rd world countries. Further more it is common for these same Americans to contract serious illnesses and injuries during their volunteer services. Lest we not forget – some of the earthquake victims were receiving amputations without sedation, analgesics and antibiotics during the same period of time when the supposed kidnapping of children took place. As an American who has volunteered in providing Health Care during disasters I can tell you general rules of appropriate conduct does not and can't always apply. I will immediately stop my donations to Haiti Relief until our fellow Americans are released.


Dodie   February 4th, 2010 11:32 pm ET

Anderson 360 described these 10 Americans in Haiti as "Trolling around searching for children" It is turning out to possibly be involvement in child trafficking!


Jessie   February 4th, 2010 11:41 pm ET

To those people who are saying they going to stop helping a country in need;they were not doing it for the right reason to begin with. There are a lot of people who still want to help the victims in Haiti. This is a human tragedy.

A lot of other countries helped us during Katrina and 9/11 but that does not give them the right to break our law when they are in our country.

Just because a country is poor and does not share our ideal that does not mean that they don’t have law and we can spit on it.

They still broke the law. These folks are not registered as domestic and international adoption agency. They were warned by the Dominican and Haitian governments. Otherwise, what would prevent any church group or cult and the pedophiles from doing the same?

I did not see these missionaries scooped a bunch of hungry orphans during Katrina without documentation and bring them to Mexico. Why? because it’s illegal. What they did would not be tolerated in the US but they go to Haiti or other poor countries and tried.

The US government should butt out and let Haiti trial these arrogant criminals . God knows how many kids they have stolen before they got caught.

May god help the people of Haiti with these vultures.


Rose   February 4th, 2010 11:54 pm ET

If Deepak Chopra is insinuating the US should intervene I wonder what he would think if China or Russia thought they had a better life for American children & whisked them away –would he side with the foreign countries. Another celebrity authority.


Gerald Jolly   February 4th, 2010 11:59 pm ET

Hey! Folks, I only have one comment, with regards to the Haitian legal system.

From the Prime Ministers office all the way down to the lowest cop on the police force.

Haiti is considered the most corrupt country in the western hemisphere.

Haiti has been the recipient of hundreds of millions of dollars from aid agencies, the IMF, for as long as most people can remember and it's history of corruption goes back to at at least the DUVALIER REGIME, one corrupt government is replace with another and another, the country is and has always been on the verge of civil war for as long as I can remember.
Why and where has the Prime Minister been, since this tradgedy began.
Even reported by Anderson Cooper, a man I trust and admire has reported the he was no where to be found.

Trust me, if you hear of a sudden unexplained release of the Americans ??MISSIONARIES?? it will be because a large bribe was paid by ???????? who knows.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 5th, 2010 12:03 am ET

As revealed in a AC360 exclusive, the 10 Kidnappers were 'trolling' for children to take in Haiti. Witness's state the kidnappers were repeatedly told what they were planning was ILLEGAL and against the law.

The Haitian Judges should amend the charges to include Child Trafficking against each of these 10 child kidnappers.


Dodie   February 5th, 2010 12:07 am ET

President Obama is meeting with the Dalai Lama and China is becoming very agitated over this too.

DPRK is releasing an American who crossed the border on Christmas Day.


C Shumate   February 5th, 2010 12:19 am ET

How many bloggers have volunteered in serious disasters? How many bloggers have spent time in a disaster zone where law enforcement was nil to non-existent? Has anyone out there actually witnessed adult disaster victims drinking and eating whatever they could find in lieu of providing a bit of sustenance to a child?


Laura   February 5th, 2010 12:20 am ET

@Gerald Jolly,

We always try to demonize people when we are wrong. It's easy for you to critize other country when our government is shady as well . You emphasized how the country of Haiti government is corrupted but have you ever wonder who is been supporting their corruption?

These people broke the laws why can't you admit that.

You are very misinformed. The aids are being controlled by big NGOs, UN and World banks, IMF which is the biggest crook of them all. You really think the poor are getting the aid?

Get a clue!


James31   February 5th, 2010 12:30 am ET

@Laura,
So why should we send any money? Millions and millions of our hard earned money going there; how sad.


Campbell   February 5th, 2010 12:36 am ET

@Angela,
The last time I check slavery is over. I am all for legal adoption. There aso many good organizations down there that are doing good work. These people are giving them a bad name.

These criminals were harrasing adopted parents telling them that they can get their adopted kids out of Haiti much faster for a fee.

These kids are not cattle that you can steal and make them dissapear. We would not want these for our orphans what makes it ok for other countries.

I seriously doubt if you would have been so nonchalant if it was black people stealing white kids with no paper trail. Enough with the hypocrisy.


James31   February 5th, 2010 12:44 am ET

@Laura,
One thing that bothers me about some who blog here is the constant reference to "we" and "us". Why shouldn't we say if this group of Americans did something wrong instead of saying "we" are wrong. Someone else said "the world is watching us." But then those same people would be the first to suggest a terrorist doesn't mean all of those of the islamic faith are bad. There are a couple people who seem to be very anti-American. I'm definitely not saying you are one, but I wish people would not use all-encompassing descriptors. These people may have done something wrong intentionally; I don't know yet. But that doesn't make me wrong and probably doesn't make you wrong either. We should not bash ourselves while at the same time giving millions and millions, money you feel won't even reach the needy. Just saying, Give America a break.


Gerald Jolly   February 5th, 2010 12:51 am ET

For those of you that do not know.

The people in Haiti are basically good people.

But people of position are absolutely not.

I cannot believe that after witnessing the deprevaty, poverty, starvation, hunger, social injustice, that goes on in haiti that anybody could believe that there is very little corruption in Haiti.

One only has to look at the opulence of the "PALACE" the head of state lives in, and the adverse poverty the large majority of Haitians must live in, to understand that the disparity between the two is absolutely disgusting.

Some of you are pining over the fact that these children were probably kidnapped to be forced to work in the sex trade.

What a complete idiotic thing to say.

The level of prostitution in Haiti is the highest in the western hemisphere and young girls as young as ten years old are PIMPED by members of their own family.

I'm not making this up, nor am I trying to defend what the group of Americans did, but dont think their lot in Haiti is or would be any better.

Think about it, as reported by several members of the CNN team that are down there, when they interviewed some of the parents of those children, they freely admitted that they negotiated payment with the Americans before they put their kids on that bus.

SO WHO IS MOST CULPIBLE IN THIS SITUATION????

JUST THINK ABOUT IT!!


James31   February 5th, 2010 12:55 am ET

@Gerald Jolly,
Well said. I have struggled with the ongoing comments about how terrible it is to take these children out of their environment. But, on any other day prior to this happening, it almost seemed that taking them out of this environment was the objective.


Laura   February 5th, 2010 12:55 am ET

@James31

We can always help our fellow human being if we are doing it with good intention. There are some good NGos just like there are some bad one. Before we donate we need to know the organizations we are sending our hard earned money to and hold them accountable. That is the only way the people who really need the help going to get.

Why do you think lot of NGOs are flocking to poor countries like Haiti? Because it's big business unfortunately. When countries with a disaster receive relief funds/ loans beside private citizens. The money is first distributed to the NGOs, UN(because they are occupying Haiti) the IMF banks and lastly the government. The government is left with not a lot eventhough the country have to repay these relief funds.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 5th, 2010 1:11 am ET

I'm certain similar arguments were used by a Christian organization in Canada that murdered some children as they attempted to reprogram their alleged poor behavior thru exorcisms.

It is also historically recorded Christian leaders stated they were doing the women, men and children they tortured and burned alive as witches as doing them a favor.

Stealing, kidnapping and buying children for nefarious or at best dubious purposes is not in the best interest of that child, that community, that child's family nor of civilization as a whole.

Keeping Haitian family's intact is a important basic step for the transition to an agrarian culture which Haiti is transitioning into at this time of rebuilding.


Molly Mills   February 5th, 2010 1:20 am ET

NOW the politicians don't want missionaries in Haiti. We will see more of this harassment, as they try to get rid of anyone who can see them steal all the aid. They have taken such good care of the people of Haiti, and their money in the past. Scary and sad.


Natalie   February 5th, 2010 1:25 am ET

@Gerald Jolly,

I worked with orphanages in Haiti and other countries for 20 years. Slavery and child slavery is illegal in haiti. You cannot just donate your kids to strangers without proper documentation because that is illegal too.

They do have domestic kids servant problems which is prevalent in most third world countries. (i.e china sweatshops) . In many cases, the poor parents from rural areas will send their kids to relatives and friends to educate and take care of them. Even though they are poor they do value their families. Unfortunately, there is no social services that monitor the kids. They tend to get abused and mistreated. The government has been working on it and they made child servitude illegal since 2003.

There have been lot of reports that young girls are being abused and raped by some bad UN peace corps and foreigners that took advantage of the vulnerable. The media does not report on it much but it is happening.

I do wish that these missionaries would have followed the country law. Because the country is going to need it.

The people and the kids are very good-hearted , hard working and appreciative people but unfortunately there are people that do go there with bad intentions.

It's a sad situation


A. Smith, Oregon   February 5th, 2010 1:41 am ET

Larry King, these 10 kidnappers are not honest people. They were repeatedly told what they were attempting to do was clearly illegal and stealing, buying and removing children under lies is a serious crime even in America.

Haiti doesn't need swarms of child traffickers claiming to be do-gooders when in fact they are looking at those children as money machines that are sold for large sums of money for questionable if not perverted futures.

I hope the Haitian Justice sentences these 10 kidnappers to lengthy prison sentences as a signal to other would be Haitian child kidnappers.


S Dennis   February 5th, 2010 1:50 am ET

After seeing what has been happening to the church group that seemed to be trying to help Haiti's children... I DONATED MONEY TO THE HAITI CAUSE BUT AFTER SEEING THIS .. I WILL NOT GIVE ONE MORE CENT TO HAITI!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! That government does not care about their people and especially the children. They are (in my opinion) using this to "act like they do" They are a corrupt government. I encourage others to stop the aid until they release these people to the US government where they will be treated justly.


Queen P   February 5th, 2010 1:52 am ET

I say our President should order all Americans out of Haiti and leave it to them!! Let the Haitian people take care of everything themselves!! We have enough problems of our own. If people want to get involved, then get involved right here in the US. We have homeless people and starving children with parents that don't want them and people living in run down shacks too.


vic capetillo   February 5th, 2010 2:04 am ET

They seem to be desperate to do the right thing. And by taking an aggressive approach they (or whoever was in charge) put the integrity of many missionaries around the world in question. Even if they would have gotten away with it and brought the kids here in the States Haiti would still have the right to ask the U.S. to imprison them and sent them back to Haiti for trial...........................................
I am a christian and am left with nothing but prayer for these people who I am deeply convinced their intentions were not to harm the kids. I can only hope that they would receive a fair trial with some punishment– not the real punishment that REAL traffickers deserve. It's kind of when in a classroom several students misbehave (real sex-slave traffickers) and the teacher punishes the whole class (Haiti's judicial system); but the only ones that do the assignment are the ones that always stay on task (in this case I believe it represent the 10 missionaries– or at least 9 of them)


Laura   February 5th, 2010 2:07 am ET

@Molly Mills,

In all fairness, the government never said that they don't want missionaries in their country. They 're temporary stop post earthquake adoptions per Unicef and UN because child trafficking is very serious problem during a big disaster. The same thing happen during the tsunami. Just because we don't talk about it in the media that does mean the problem does not exist in our own backyard and elsewhere.

These poor people are not harrasing you, their government arrested Americans with bad intentions who broke the law. Whether they don't care about their people that is their business but we can also argue that our goverment does not care about the poor as well.

Some Americans need to be cognizant about other people law whether their agree to it or not. .


M. Sylvain   February 5th, 2010 2:26 am ET

They should just let these people go. They were trying to do something good for those children and their parents. Why would Haiti which is a country plagued with kidnappers, try to accuse anyone of kidnapping. They have not done anything for all the kidnappers who have been ruling the country for a long time now. Those missionaries are just being used as scapegoats. I know, they should not have tried to get those kids out without papers and registration somewhere but everybody was very emotional about what happened to Haiti and so many people were moved by the misfortune of those children on the streets fighting for food. What they are doing to those American people is very crazy and scarry. I am an American citizen of Haitian origin and I will vote to let those people go. So much corruption in Haiti, their has never been justice over there, kids had never been protected in that country. Why that prime minister wants to show the world that it is different? America should investigate the case themselves and come up with a conclusion, not to let the good hearted citizens be discouraged by what happened over there. I count on the justice of the country I adopted.


India   February 5th, 2010 2:36 am ET

@A. Smith, Oregon

I agree with you. Coming from a Christian who beleive in God work, I do think that some Americans are in denial as usual. I think they cannot fathom child traffickers as being white missionaries with bible. Some missionaries are in it for strictly business, the more orphans they get the richer they become. Some bad people do hide behind the bible to gain the poor and uneducated people trust. I guess they are expecting pirates looking people to be child traffickers.

@ Qeen P,
Do you know how irrational that sound? Haiti is not at war with the US why would president Obama force them to leave the country. It's like Canada asking Americans to leave their country because the US punish a Canadian who breaks the law. That's just silly.

Some Americans break law overseas all the time, they just think nothing is going to happen to them because of their US passports. These are the people that give Americans bad name.


Char   February 5th, 2010 2:38 am ET

Larry: The 10 people that went to Haiti to rescue those children are wrong and deserve to be punished as the Judical System in Haiti dictates, with out interferance from the US. I'm a Christian and very proud of my belief system...what I'm not proud of: Christian breaking the law and proclaim that they are doing it in the of the name of Jesus.
The Jesus I serve would not guide me to do what is illegal or to take children from its biological family. WWJD-What would Jesus do? Not this!
They did not go to Haiti in the name of Jesus, they went in the name of stupity. Stupity does not mean that you are exempt from being punished if you break the law. Any adult in the US with the education system we have knows you can not take children with going through the right legal process. In this great nation that we live in, if this group had went around in America collection children with or without parents they would be arrested and they would have been prosecuted for kidnapping.


Fay   February 5th, 2010 3:33 am ET

@M. Sylvain,

I am a Canadian who is been living in Haiti for 15 years. I don't doubt that the government is not corrupted. What government is not? Whether they care about the kids or not. Haiti needs to set a precedent with these Americans because child traffickers are everywhere in disaster like this. If the Americans get away with it ,they are opening a flood gate for pedophiles, black market organs traffickers and other bad people.

By the way, I don't think you are doing your fellow haitians a favor by accusing their whole country of being traffickers especially when they have been so misunderstood and ostracised by our media for a long time. Haitians are good people who cannot fault them for having a bad government.

Port-au-Prince is no more dangerous than any big city. I am 10 times more likely to get get mug and held at gunpoint walking in New York street than Haiti. Please don't beleive all the myths.

The U.N recorded Haiti last year homicide rate as 5.6 per 100,000 people. With Jamaica registering nearly nine times as many — 49 homicides per 100,000 people and the neighboring Dominican Republic: 23.6 per 100,000. Please don't believe in the myth

When people try to commit these type of activities they would be charged with child endangerment, kidnapping , human smuggling trafficking in the US and Canada. That's the law


richard kramer   February 5th, 2010 4:52 am ET

If 10 haitians came to america and tried to take 33 kids across the border, with no documentation, what would you say? It is stupid and ignorant to claim they didn't know better.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 5th, 2010 6:01 am ET

Actually the Haitian people had no decision about allowing Christian Missionary's on their Island. They were forced upon them. Typically they were herded into a common area and at the sound of the crack of a bull whip, they were forced knell and to remain quiet while a 'Christian Missionary' spoke unknown words about a unknown 'god' after which the bull whip was again cracked and the Missionary told those native assembled they were now converted to Christianity.

Temples and Shrines which the Haitian people built to honor their religious heritage from Benin, Africa were torched by the Christian Missionary's along with as many of their sacred drums and instruments they could round up.

Houngans and Mambo's (Priests and Priestess's) of the African Benin religion were rounded up and executed. This is the darkness that Christian Missionary's brought to Haiti, along with their cruel masters. Somehow the Haitian people survived by pretending to convert and follow the foreign religious doctrine forced down their throats.

In Rwanda Christian Missionary's sparked one of the largest cases of genocide in modern history and were charged and found guilty of taking part in that horrific genocide in the subsequent trials at the Hague.

Whatever the intentions of these 10 child kidnappers truly was, do not automatically assume Christian Missionary's are inherently 'good' people out to do 'good' things.


Juanita Viale   February 5th, 2010 7:25 am ET

I don't know which is more infuriating: a group of righteous Americans thinking they can go to Haiti and illegally move children, well intended or not, or, a religious group believing that their faith allows them to do whatever want to whomever they want.


John McCoy   February 5th, 2010 7:54 am ET

It's wonderful that people want to help the Haitian children. It's questionable that these people had their best interests at heart. If what I've read is correct, they didn't have the proper paperwork to accomplish their goal, probably didn't have the facility actually available to house and care for the children and may have eventually intended to place the children in harm's way. I think Whoopie Goldberg's idea of arranging foster care for children whose actual status is unknown (those of whom who cannot absolutely be determined to be orphans with no possible relatives to take them in) in the United States is an excellent solution and should be pursued with the greatest effort possible. Placing a child in foster care, to my belief, will not preclude their eventual reuniting with other relatives either in the United States or back in Haiti. If other considerations can be met, namely legal ones which can determine whether or not someone can come into the United States, it might be possible to move some relatives here - provided agencies or individuals are willing to bear responsibility for them and adequate facilities are made available. That might be a good addition to Whoopie's suggestion. The more children and others we can remove from Haiti, legally and ethically, the better for both the Haitian government and the Haitians themselves. My wife and I are too old and set in our ways, besides being financially incapable, to take in a child but perhaps we could find a little money each month to help a group which can. What I can do, if needed, is provide words and photos should any be relocated into my area.


DR. GARY   February 5th, 2010 9:46 am ET

Juanita Viale February 4, 2010 at 5:23 pm

I don’t know which is more infuriating: a group of righteous Americans thinking they can go to Haiti and illegally move children, well intended or not, or, a religious group believing that their faith allows them to do whatever want to whomever they want.
JUANITA, THERE ARE MORE IN PRISION WHO HAVE NO FAITH THAN THOSE WHO ARE OF THE RELIGIOUS GROUPS. DON'T FORGET THAT. TWO WRONGS DON'T MAKE NOTHING RIGHT. BUT YOUR STATEMENT WAS NOT THOUGHT OUT.


DR. GARY   February 5th, 2010 9:55 am ET

lindafromnewyork

I will say as a Haitian American I have never heard of Haitian selling their kids or giving their kids away. Haitians living in Haiti may be poor but that does not mean they would knowingly give their kids away to be used as slaves or sex slaves.

I WISH THAT 20/20 WOULD AIR THE PROGRAM THEY HAD A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO. YOU COULD GO THERE AND BUY A YOURSELF A LITTLE SEX SLAVE FOR $100.00. THEY DEDICATED A PROGRAM TO SHOW THIS. WAKE UP. THERE GOVERNMENT STINKS. ROTTON AS SOME OF THE BODIES THEY DUMPED IN THE HOLES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. MANY OF THEM ARE WICKED DEMONS. YES GOVERNMENT AND PEOPLE.


DR. GARY   February 5th, 2010 10:01 am ET

Alistair Skeffington, Georgia said ,Mr. Prime Minister, can you please set up a Virtual National Palace website where you can keep us updated on all development in Haiti.

THEY DON'T KNOW HOW.


DR. GARY   February 5th, 2010 10:08 am ET

Broxton GA said ,
how would we handle the situation if it was the other way around and they were over here taking our children?

THERE WOULD NOT BE TO MANY THAT WOULD COME TO THE AID OF AMERICA. MANY NATIONS HATE US. SAD. WE HAVE GIVEN TO MUCH. IT'S LIKE THE WELFARE SYSTEM. THIRD AND FOURTH GENERATIONAL WELFARE. ATTITUDE? YOU OWE IT TO ME." THE WORLD LOVE U.S. FOR THAT REASON. SAD BUT TRUE.


JBM   February 5th, 2010 10:26 am ET

DR GRAY,
Thanks for your posts. Unfortunately for some, one person in particular, the situation with the 10 Americans in Haiti provides them an opportunity to hose Christianity. For them it is not about the kids. They are simply glad that if it is proven that there is wrongdoing here, they can take pleasure in that the 10 people consider themselves a Christian group. For some who blog here, it's not about anything except how they can criticize anything that they don't have or they don't believe in. That's why they are on this site 24/7--everything else in their life is perfect so they can dedicate themselves totally to their anti-American, anti-Christian,.......anti-successful people, on and on.


Dodie   February 5th, 2010 11:53 am ET

@ DR. GARY

Your statement: " WISH THAT 20/20 WOULD AIR THE PROGRAM THEY HAD A LITTLE OVER A YEAR AGO. YOU COULD GO THERE AND BUY A YOURSELF A LITTLE SEX SLAVE FOR $100.00."

And you don't think we sell children... excuse me... even babies for sex??? Think again. Trust me, I have personally seen it over and over and over again until I finally changed jobs............

You have NO idea what we do in this country!!! Just ask any law enforcement, sex crime investigator, lawyer or social worker! If you want to dismiss this because you think it only happens in ghettos, think again. I worked in a very wealthy affluent, multi-million dollar home area. It was absoutely disgusting!!!!!!


Chandra   February 5th, 2010 12:32 pm ET

@ Dodie
Dodie I agree with you.
My friend is a social worker and she must see at least 15 child molesting, forced child labor or parent abusing and abandon their kids. Of course the media will never show these stories but hurricane Katrina really showed the world America's dirty little secret how we don’t care about the poor and how we treat our own citizen.

@ DR. GARY

Obviously you are is ignorant and hateful person. It seems like you are taking deep pleasure out of slandering a poor country that cannot defend itself slandering.

Dr Gary do you believe everything the media tells you? Have you ever wonder who is behind the modern slave story? The majority of time is the NGOs that are trying to get more fund by exacerbate and exploit the poor.

Your teabagger ugliness is really coming out. Just because people disagree with child traffickers who broke the law that does not make them anti-Christian nor American. You are the same kind of people who believe abject poverty, child molesters, corruption do not exist in America.


Rose   February 5th, 2010 12:49 pm ET

@ Dr. Gary you certainly sound as if you have a chip on your shoulder. Even if this group wasn't a church group what they did ws wrong-their actions certainly spoke louder than words. Their leader spoke many lies–consequences need to be paid.


Andrew   February 5th, 2010 1:01 pm ET

Anybody thinks the American govt wasn't informed or involved with the decision to prosecute these people are stupid.

How can you be warned by the Dominican Govt and the Haitian govt before hand and told the consequences of your action and then claim it's a misunderstanding. That's a bunch of BS. They decided to do what they wanted and openly defied and disrespected the govt there after being warned several time having no disregard for the laws of that country or their people.

They got everything they had coming to them. Think they'd try that in China when the quake hit or in Malaysia noooo way!!!!! Cause they would have got worse sentence.


Larry   February 5th, 2010 1:04 pm ET

They should receive the same punishment that ten Black people would receive if they tried to smuggle 33 healthy young White children out of America down to Panama, or some similar predominantly Black area.

Now what punishment would you all hypocrites want regardless of what the ten Black people stated they were there to do to the 33 White children?


Allan   February 5th, 2010 1:07 pm ET

The missionaries broke the law, now they must pay! You can't just take children and even children that already had parents across the border with no papers! They could have helped in so many other ways! The way they went about getting some of the kids was just shady!

They were showing the parents brochures of a nice hotel with pool, and trying to convince them to give their children away in a time of need! Why did not they try help keep the families together!

America should continue to help Haiti! The point is this group acted in poor judgment! SOME OF THESE KIDS HAD PARENTS ALREADY! Does it make it ok to run to Mexico and round up some kids and take them across the borders? NO! The haitian government should file charges against! Who knows what could have happened to these kids!


Juanita Viale   February 5th, 2010 1:09 pm ET

Let me clarify from my previous statement before in case it was misunderstood. I am not attacking Christianity or any other religious group for that matter. I myself am a big believer in faith and the Lord.

However, what I don't think is correct is using their "faith" as an excuse for what they did. Because bottom line, what they did was wrong and illegal, regardless of what religion they are.


Gerald Jolly   February 5th, 2010 1:12 pm ET

Well folks, all that I can say, is that I'm so glad to hear the Former Pres. Bill Clinton will be incharge of the reconstruction of Haiti and will oversee all activity regarding the funds that have been donated by millions of people.

When I heard that announcement, I reflected in the joy, knowing that no Haitian government officials will participate in any way about the management of donated funds.

GOOD MOVE!!


JBM   February 5th, 2010 1:30 pm ET

@Larry, Feb. 5, 1:04 p.m.
Aren't you something, trying to make this about race as millions of white Americans send millions of dollars to Haiti to help, I believe, no white people. People like you work overtime to make people who are not racist, just that-racist.


Gladys   February 5th, 2010 1:31 pm ET

I am deeply offended by those "so called missionaries" trying to steal children from Haiti. Stuff like that is just so condescending to me. They act like they’re doing the kids a favor, and they should be awarded as heroes for trying to kidnap kids. It shows you what they think of the culture and the people they are trying to take the kids away from. There are plenty of other ways to help these kids but bringing them to a crime infested, drug and sex trafficking area in Dominican republic is not helping them .

There are lot of fake missionaries who been selling Haitian kids in the Dominican republic for decades . They sold them to work in the “batay” is a shanty settlement in Dominican Republic that forced these kids to work in sugar cane field for less than a penny an hour.


JBM   February 5th, 2010 1:52 pm ET

DR GRAY,
You make very good points. Haiti has had an ongoing problem with the ill-fate of their children. I find it strange we have not heard about any people involved in such acts in the past were punished.


Jim in Casselberry   February 5th, 2010 2:36 pm ET

Those people are Baptists. Baptists do not believe that Catholics are "saved." They did not want the children to be Catholics.


DR. GARY   February 5th, 2010 2:48 pm ET

Rose & Dodie you are right and wrong. I’m right and wrong. Why do we have this in America? Moral decline. Liberal thinking. This is wicked at every level. (Poor, Middleclass & Rich) I to have worked and seen this in U.S. among the poor, middleclass and wealthy. It doesn’t matter. The fact remains the same. It happens much, much more in Hatti than the US. And I will add it is wicked wherever it happens. No I don’t believe ¼ of what I hear and see on TV, including the weather. Proverbs 21: 2 Every way of a man is right in his own eyes, But the LORD weighs the hearts.
By the way I work among the poor for no salary. So you’re wrong in that are. But we are all right in our own EYES. God weights the heart and that’s what counts at the end of the day. Blessings to you both.


QUEST   February 5th, 2010 3:18 pm ET

So, all the help the U.S. has given them and we get treated like crap?? Give Us back our money that we donated to Red Cross, and all the food and clothing and medical attention and let them be on their own and see how far they get before they all die.


Kim   February 5th, 2010 3:20 pm ET

People are quick to judge when they know nothing.


Kim   February 5th, 2010 3:23 pm ET

So can they give us back all the help we gave them?? Food, Clothing, Shelter, Medical??? Where would they be without the U.S. ? They wouldn't have survived.


Rose   February 5th, 2010 3:46 pm ET

@ Dr. Gary –do you ever associate with anyone other than the caucasian race because it doesn't sound like it? You sound like a very angry person who can only see 1 side of anything. Spend a day with a person of a different culture-you might realize it's not that bad!!


Rose   February 5th, 2010 3:55 pm ET

@ Dr. Gary –out of curiousity –have you ever spent time with anyone out of your culture, race? It certainly doesn't sound like it. You sound like a very bitter, angry person. You talk about white pride-when it's spoken as white pride -the ones professing their "White Pride" are defaming any heritage that isn't caucasian,any religion that isn't Christianity!


JBM   February 5th, 2010 3:58 pm ET

@ROSE,
Perhaps you did not notice that DR GRAY identified himself as a HAITIAN American. Once again, you prove every point he made to be true. Stop trying to make people who are not racist into people who are racist.


Rose   February 5th, 2010 4:18 pm ET

@JBM--actually I think it was another commentator that stated she was a Haitian American & he was commenting on what she wrote. If I'm wrong I apologize.


James   February 5th, 2010 4:25 pm ET

@ Rose,

I work with many Haitians in Haiti and abroad, I can guarantee you the majority of haitian people eventhoug they are poor they will not give up their freedom. They are the first black republic in western hemisphere and for that they have been paying for it dearly by the wealthy countries.

They've been fighting France and the US for 2007 years to protect their freedom, you think they want to be occupied by us. They are very proud and resilient people despite the myth about them.

Don't beleive the bs that JBM is trying to sell you.

I read this blog and DR Gary never identified himself or herself as Haitian American. It so easy to hide behind a false identity to spread hate.


Laura   February 5th, 2010 4:32 pm ET

@ Rose,

You are right. I read the same blog and this person never identified himself or herself as Haitian American.

It's JBM and DR Gary with their teabagger mentalities that is trying to divert from the real issue.

The fact that they are ignorant and hateful people.


Chandra   February 5th, 2010 4:51 pm ET

@ DR. GARY
Dodie I agree with you. Obviously DR Gary is brainwashed, ignorant and blind with hate. It seems like he is taking pleasure out of slandering a poor country that cannot defend itself slandering.
Dr Gary do you believe everything the media tells you? Have you ever wonder who is behind the modern slave story? The majority of time is the NGO that is trying to get more fund by exacerbate and exploit the poor.

Your teabagger ugliness is really coming out. Just because people disagree with child traffickers who broke the law that does not make them anti-Christian nor American. You are the same kind of people who believe abject poverty, child molesters, corruption does not exist in America.


Jen, MA   February 5th, 2010 6:15 pm ET

Quest
Using your reasoning I guess the kids are pretty much bought and paid for. The missionaries were just picking up the goods. Unbelievable.


Elizabeth   February 5th, 2010 6:34 pm ET

Dr. Gary, I think that the white race is called racist because whites went to Africa and kidnapped black men and women to be slaves, work in their farms and houses to make them rich, whites owned sweat shops in poor countries subjecting children and adults to hard work, whites nowadays in America still treat colored people (no matter what origin) with desdain. And the reason why the government "helps" these MINORITIES is to preserve peace not out of respect but certain fear. That is why these MINORITIES celebrate special and significant dates, when they were finally heard.

I, for one, am a white woman married to a black man, i have 2 kids and they still have to struggle in school to be respected cause some white kids make racial remarks at them all the time, and for sure those kids learned that at home where their racist parents taught them to do so to non-white kids.


Dodie   February 5th, 2010 6:38 pm ET

@ DR. GARY:

Are you from Haiti originally? There seems to be some confusion as to where you originated. I am so sorry to inform you; however, humans today are 99.9% genetically identical. Most variation occurs within the different sexes (male vs female). Therefore, the human ‘race’ is primarily cultural, not biological reality.
@ Chandra

Yeppers... I worked as a government sex crime investigator so I have seen the real ugly stuff. I don’t know if the occurrences and traumas were actually becoming more profound; or I was just getting tired of seeing small innocent young children being horrifically abused! Cynicism was a defense mechanism I used to ward off emotion as there were always those cases that really hooked you. This affected everyone. I had the head of a city police department call me at home around midnight because he was so disturbed with a particular investigation, he could not sleep. Your friend has also seen horrible atrocities to children, if she is a front end social worker! It is a very difficult job regardless of its intrinsic value.


Rose   February 5th, 2010 6:39 pm ET

@Kim–it sounds as if you think the US is the only country that has helped during this catastrophe. Do some research you'll find that you're uninformed.


JBM   February 5th, 2010 7:34 pm ET

@Rose,
Rose, I see DR GRAY does open by repeating other's comments so you may well be right per your earlier post that he repeated a comment by someone who identified themselves as a Haitian American. Perhaps he can clarify if he tunes in again. My point is simply that I am just opposed to making anything into a racial issue, particularly when it is not.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 5th, 2010 7:43 pm ET

A secret program drawn up and implemented by Dick Cheney which green lights CIA Xe contractors to murder Americans at home or overseas that is suspected of terrorist activity's is inherently flawed.

Some 2/3 of Dick Cheney's supposedly highly vetted targets turned out to be NOT a Terrorist. Oops! State sanctioned murder of innocent Americans is a business that America should not be involved in!

Not only is this a slippery slope for now President Obama to continue traveling down, it is a dangerous development for any Democracy to have such a Unconstitutional program in place.


Rose   February 5th, 2010 8:03 pm ET

@Dr. Gary-I never said the world was perfect,, Of course there are rascists,bigots in every culture. It just seems some cultures have suffered a bit more than others. You have to admit that segregation was a bitter pill to swallow.During that time too many people had little chance to climb up that ladder. If the problem of poverty & a decent educ. could be solved a majority of problems could be improved. If people would only realize that we all want the same,basic things.


ckelly   February 5th, 2010 11:27 pm ET

@Rose,

While I agree with a lot of your points-the problem with race issues in America is two fold in my opinion-

History is rarely referenced over the course of human history and history by culture-its very myopic and "short" sited being considered over very short periods of time -usually 500 years or less in America-the problem is that all peoples of America come from older cultures-some arriving 300 years ago and some arriving yesterday from every corner of the earth-even the indigenous people have their own histories of genocide prior to western invasion-their own "Older cultures". Therefore-it becomes a case that everyones perception, history and experience will be different and they will view atrocity and race relations differently.

Secondly, even oppressed cultures, are not without bias or racism among their own groups. Caste systems are an example of this. There are no "untouched nations" from racism and oppression. As long as there has been war (always) there has been oppression and subsequent racism.

ON SEGREGATION : May I recommend a good documentary-about the effects of affirmative action on segregation in todays universities.
Its called Indoctrinate U. Sometimes with good intentions, we actually create the very racist society we are trying to avoid.


Rose   February 6th, 2010 12:16 am ET

@cKelly--there will always be bias,bigotry-we're all human . The problem is we are a world of talkers, bloggers with very few listeners. Everybody thinks their way is the only right way--an everending circle. To apologize for some people is a fate worse than death OR to admit someone actually might have a better way–is an almost impossibility!


ckelly   February 6th, 2010 4:58 am ET

@ Rose,

Yeah- its something ALL OF US need to work on!!:)


Tom Joyce   February 6th, 2010 7:33 pm ET

Some of you people seem to be saying that the "investigative" reporters have already solved everything and for sure the 10 people are kidnappers and guilty as hell. REPORTERS? You’re joking right?


Jefferson   February 7th, 2010 3:26 am ET

@ JBM

Jim Z. says to say hello. I read your comments, the scope and depth are on point. I have a question for you. Will ask when I catch you live.


Angela from the united states   February 7th, 2010 3:08 pm ET

OK FIRST OF ALL I REALLY THINK ALOT OF OUR PRESDIENT HES THE UNITED STATES PRESIDENT AND HAS TO SEND MRS.BUSH OVER TO HELP GET OUR PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I THINK ITS BULL SHI** HE CANT GO OVER THERE CUZ ITS A BLACK COUNTRY I SEE RACEISEM RIGHT HERE NOW I HOPE THE PRESEDENT READS THESE COMMENTS CUZ I FEEL HE CAN GO OVER THERE AND FREE OUR MEN,THAT WAS JUST TRYEN TO HELP AND GET THEM HOME SAVE TO THERE FAMILY AND FRIENDS,NOW MY DAUGHTERS BOYFRIEND AND HIS MOTHER ARE SO UPSET AND MESSED UP WITH THIS DUE TO MY DAUGHTERS BOYFRIEND USE TO WORK FOR ONE OF THE GUYS BEING HELD AND HIS MOM IS NOW TO THIS DAY STILL WORKING FOR HIM AND NOW SHES GOT TO RUN THE BUSSINESS THEY BOTH ARE SO HORRIFIED OVER THIS WHOLE DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
NOW LET OUR PEOPLE GO AND LET THEM GO UNHARMED THANKS


Michel Joseph   February 7th, 2010 9:57 pm ET

I agree that the 10 Americans should have obtained proper authorization to remove these children from Haiti. I also believe that these 10 Americans had good intentions. As an Haitian-American who was born and raised in Haiti, I can testify that Haitians do send their children away to other people for a better life. Haitians in the countryside would send their children to Port-au-Prince to serve as servants. In return, these children would go to school. Unfortunately, some of these children do handup with the wrong Haitian family in Port-au-Prince. Some family abuses the children mentally, sexually and physically. The fortunate children do get the opportunity to better themselves.

As for the 10 Americans, the Haitian government should not waste time prosecute them. The Americans should be expelled from the country. The mission should be banned from returning to Haiti. The group should pay an hifty fine for violating Haitian laws. The payment for the fine should be donated to the international red cross.


Dante   February 7th, 2010 10:09 pm ET

@Michael,

According to CNN reports,the ring leader "Susan Silsby" intention was not noble and pure. She lied to the parents about having a legal orphange,she lied to her group. She was treating those kids like commodity. She was planning to sell these kids in the states. It's like slavery all over again. She broke the law. She should face the consequences. She took advantage of a chaotic situation like many other vultures. Child trafficking is unacceptable everywhere!


Gerald Jolly   February 7th, 2010 11:31 pm ET

"WHO KILLED OSAMA BIN LADEN"???

Nobody, he died two years ago after returning from Dubie after receiving treatment there for a liver and kidney condition.

Why does the U.S. continue to "LIE" to it's citizens about this situation.

Because of a promise made by President Obama that he will continue the war in Afghanistan until Bin Laden is caught or killed, fully knowing that Bin Laden was dead, but it was in the interest of the ARMS manufacturing Industry that the two wars in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN very much depended on their continued presence in order to insure their profitability, thereby guaranteeing their continued financial support of whatever party might be in power in Washington.


Donald L Allen   February 8th, 2010 4:25 am ET

hello Larry I just want the US to no the stuff I have don,t belong to them it belong to me and only me it not new it old what they think I am you think I need a sister and I do not trust them you no and I no they can not be trusted so what I put on the Internet don,t belong to them and the president is not my father and he can not tell me if I can have right or I can not have right I well see hem in hell first see you Larry King hop you understand and I bet it don,t belong to them it sued be equal liberty that is what I think so it is see you Larry King and there just full of it and you no it if they say it true you no it problem is not and I,M talking about the US yes they been collecting four a long time but that don,t mean it there later on Larry Donald L Allen


Donald L Allen   February 8th, 2010 4:37 am ET

what I,M trying to say is you can not make low to brake the low of the country and invade the right of the people if you do you well find your self in a fit and I think if that person is OBAMA he sued no what I mean and what I pay four my self he does not have the right to touch it unless I give hem preaching and that is the end of it he well haft to fit me four every if that is the case cas I well not give in to it not every you well see I no what I,M saying about them there just braking the low there salve well it all I have to say four now but I well talk Later on see you PS he has got no more right than I do and that is the end of it we well go to hi Cort and he well go to Jul Donald L Allen


Donald L Allen   February 8th, 2010 4:49 am ET

what I meant to say is what I put on is not public purity that is what I meant to say you no what I mean I hop so the US think it belong to them already but I,M here to say it does not see what I mean well I hop Larry King the King see you Lauder on see Donald L Allen they think they no it all or do they think they have the right to just rip people off tell me


DR GARY   February 8th, 2010 9:47 am ET

Jerald Jolly said, “Who killed Osama Bin Laden? I got an email saying that He was found. That he was found in the basement of the White House. Obama was hiding him because he felt that he could be rehabilitated. That really sounds like it could be the mentality of Obama and Nancy Pelosi.
WOULD HAVE PUT THIS ON LAST NIGHT BUT WAS WATCHING MY TEAM WIN THE SUPER BOWEL.


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