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February 3, 2010

LKL ICYMI: Families of American detainees in Haiti speak out

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Cajazz76:24:8   February 3rd, 2010 2:36 pm ET

What I am not hearing, as loud as I should, is that Haiti has laws governing the removal of its citizens as exports....Was in-deference of those laws, in effect, what was happening here, regardless of their intent?....Ignorance is no excuse and they should be prosecuted. How can those children be any better off when they are in the hands of such imbeciles? I am so glad someone is going to save those children from their purported SAVIORS...What would their mode of transportation out of the country have been...a sailing ship? I get a creepy feeling about their kind and unkind, as well....If you wanted to help them, then discover a way to assist them and the families that gave them up. But, in deference to the children's wishes, try your best to do it in their land of birth. They may one day look back and NOT regret the actions you had taken if you succeeded....What Jerks!!!...case closed...hopefully!


Dodie   February 3rd, 2010 2:54 pm ET

This seems to be an inherent problem with American people traveling abroad. Just like the North Korean issue with Laura Ling and Euna Lee, we cannot assume the rest of the world is akin to US laws. We must abide by their rules or pay the consequences. This is very irresponsible behavior by the people who tried to cross the border into the Dominican Republic with 33 children aged two months to 12 years and no papers proving any of the adoptions were legal. The world is watching and can see our frivolous actions very clearly.

However well-intentioned or not, the detained Americans will have to accept their fate in being prosecuted by the law of Haiti. Especially since the authorities are fearing traffickers would take advantage of the chaos in Haiti following the earthquake that ravaged their country.

What a horrible and tragic fate! To survive the utter chaos of the devastating earthquake, living with the incredible pain your child had died; only to find years later that some good intentioned Americans removed your child and shipped him/her off to the US. It would only be considerate to wait until the ‘dust settles’ and ask the Haitian people first before “assuming” anything and removing children. The heck with being considerate, what ever happened to diplomacy?


Bill   February 3rd, 2010 3:27 pm ET

As far as the remake of MJs We Are The World goes, I will not listen to, or buy a song that has (C)RAP in it!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 3rd, 2010 3:33 pm ET

@Dodie..

Glad you agree...we still friends? Your points are well-taken..good response, Dodie..


ckelly   February 3rd, 2010 3:44 pm ET

Good point Dodie-There are definately similarities in behavior between the journalists who went to Korea and the missionaries in Haiti.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 3rd, 2010 3:46 pm ET

Some 2/3 of these children (20 or MORE) had living relatives and were NOT ORPHANS!

Their kidnappers did not have adoption papers for each of these children, their kidnappers did not have an adoption agency. Several of these children appear to have been lied to by their kidnappers in regards to where they were going in the bus and why.

This case appears to be the collection of domestic servants either for sale or use in The Dominican Republic and abroad. The US State Dept. should not interfere with the Haitian Justice system and abide by the Haitian courts in this matter. These people belong in prison, keep them in jail for a long time as an example!


ckelly   February 3rd, 2010 4:27 pm ET

@ ASsmith-on Anderson cooper 360 last night-the evidence presented including , the police connections and efforts to contact "some kind of authority" doesn't support your position-this was based on the three interpreters on the bus with the Americans.

What I think this is really about :

A very North American attitude that says" We are above the rules"-we can do what ever we want-because we are "Good" people and have "good" intentions-its pretty arrogant.

There was a similar story reported in Canada during the first week of the earthquake-

A couple from a church group in BC, who had connections to an orphanage in Haiti- ( they had adopted children from Haiti themselves) , learned that no one was delivering food or water to this orphanage in the chaos of the first week-

Sooo..one of the church members went to the Dominican Republic and had connections to someone with a helicopter. The member then convinced the helicopter pilot to fly into dangerous area/ not secured in-order to drop off water, food and medical supplies to the privately funded orphanage-they were seen as hero's on TV and in the papers here in Canada-

but it may have started this whole: "lets just take things into our own hands and get things done" mentality.

Sadly, this behavior well intentioned or not, has its own consequences.


Theresa   February 3rd, 2010 4:30 pm ET

I heard on an interview this a.m. the leader of the church was informed this could happen before this attempt was made. These people were ill prepared,uninformed,disorganized–I could go on &on. Just because they're Christian DOES NOT mean they are always right. Have any of these people attemted to cross into Canada -even then you need documentation!!! If these people were so inept how were theygoing to provide for these children. Oh, I'm certain they would use the old adage-God will provide. I also think they thought if anything went wrong the U.S. would get involved. I 'm wondering if they realize the detriment they initiated.


James31   February 3rd, 2010 4:31 pm ET

Perhpas what this group has done is not appropriate. I feel that some, however, seem to take an example such as this and suggest that the example is what the US represents. I am not sure if this group was ill-intentioned or just incredibly uninformed as to how they should approach Haiti with their interests in adoptions. "The world is watching and can see OUR frivolous actions very clear" I would hope means the world is watching and understands a select few does not represent everyone. Hopefully while watching, the rest of the world will also recognize that we have been doing a tremendous about of good for Haiti It's disheartening that some Americans routinely want to trash America in general.


meg   February 3rd, 2010 4:36 pm ET

Watching Larry King last evening with the interview with the minister & family members of the jailed members inHaiti- it seemed thedear ol' minister didn't want to answer any questions. It almost seemed as if he was trying to distance himself from the situation. I'm sure he knew exactly want these people were up to!!!


Cajazz76:24:8   February 3rd, 2010 4:49 pm ET

@ ckelly

Your hammer struck the nail more squarely. In addition to the "Good" people with 'good' intentions were the Godly, as well. And, as we know it to be true, there is no law higher...sic.sic..


Brother Bill   February 3rd, 2010 4:56 pm ET

Another proud example of "The Good Idea Club" gone nutso!!! Why did these people image that they are any better than any other Trafficers moving little helpless creatures from one place to another "FOR THEIR OWN GOOD!! Whose own good, the "feel good" factor in some Fundemental Christian Church Service, This is the same crap that the Austrailians did to the Abarijenie Children, to "save their Souls" while stealing children from their Home, "For their Own GOOD"!!!! They deserve the full extent of the Law for Child Trafficing.


Brother Bill   February 3rd, 2010 4:58 pm ET

Cajazz76:24:8, absolutely correct, you understand it just fine!


Shannalynn   February 3rd, 2010 6:09 pm ET

I remember crying with joy around Christmas. After fighting in court for 5 years, Mr. Goldman finally got to bring his son (Sean) home to the U.S from Brazil. Now some of our American citizens have gone to a disaster stricken land (Haiti), and separated precious, vulnerable children from their families in the most devastating moments of their lives. Those children were no more to these "Christian" people than a another line on their grant application for next year. I shudder at the thought of what they were really gonna do with them. There have also been cases against American citizens who participated in the exploitation of young children throughout various countries in the world.
America has a reputation for helping countries in great times of hardship. Unfortunately we also somehow hurt along the way as well. We're like a rich uncle who comes baring gifts yet, leaves his muddy bootprints on the white rug on his way out. These type of "Do-Gooders" are the reason the world holds such a low opinion of us (Americans) today. We need to hold these people accountable for breaking National, and International laws and send the message to the world that Americans can genuinely help in a non threatening way. These people don't represent the heart of our courageous servitude.


Dodie   February 3rd, 2010 7:14 pm ET

@ Cajazz76:24:8

I do not completely agree with your last blog. Ckelly stated the concept better.

Bottom line! People from the US, as I cannot speak for Canada, have this notion we are the 'greatest'...... arrogant @ CKelly stated, and with that " "sense of entitlement" " comes these types of behaviors regardless if they are 'godly' or not! It seems inherent with the majority of Americans from the US

We have a real problem with this unrealistic "sense of entitlement" that we are better than anyone else.!!! This becomes very embarrassing for me! When will we ever cut through our BS delusions of grandeur??

@ Ckelly

We do not know exact the intentions of these people. I have decided to wait until after the court trial. The evidence presented so far may all be inaccurate and requires further investigation.


A. Smith, Oregon   February 3rd, 2010 7:46 pm ET

@ Ckelly, statements and reports support my position despite what you stated, some 20 of the 30 Children were not Orphans.

The 10 kidnappers had no Haitian Governmental papers to take any Haitian Orphans.

Some of the children allegedly were lied to in regards to where they were being brought and why. The 10 kidnappers are not a adoption agency, nor do they represent an adoption agency.

The UN designated directives on Haitian's Orphans is NO ORPHANS until at least 2 years have passed to make certain children have ZERO family members before placing them into adoption.

These 10 people clearly broke the Haitian Laws regarding adoption. The MAJORITY of these children are not Orphans and taking them appears to clearly be kidnapping.

This group of 10 kidnappers do not have a Orphanage and they appear to have conspired to commit child trafficking.

It is just as likely they were going to sell these 30 Haitian children to traffickers in The Dominican Republic in a fundraiser effort for their Christian Church!


Joe G. (Illinois)   February 3rd, 2010 9:23 pm ET

How can such great amount of “Care” towards these children at only the first glance be so easily questioned in such dark lights? And is this going to be an American Trial by the Media/Public?


fed up   February 3rd, 2010 9:49 pm ET

Tell them to stay home and keep their nose out of the business of Haiati
we taxpayers are tired of rescuing you bored do gooders, like in North Korea, Iran, and or climbing mountains in the snow

We have already had our taxes hijacked to give to Haiti wen their own govt stole from them and us, so enough
They went, they made their bed, lie in it
too bad, too sad

Tell their families to whine alone
Not interested


A. Smith, Oregon   February 4th, 2010 12:48 am ET

Tonight on Anderson Cooper, the 10 Kidnappers translator told the viewers his jailed clients KNEW many of the children were NOT ORPHANS.

This is child trafficking, not adoption. No different than any other American child trafficker going to Thailand where they are given, kidnap or buy poor unwanted children who they later rent out to various clients for sex acts or as domestic slaves.


vanessa pierre   February 4th, 2010 1:16 am ET

i understand everybody's talking about those american what they did is wrong but i think if the world want to do something for haiti the world should do it them self please do not give the government any money just do it for them because they gonna take the money put some in there pocket and drink the rhum barbancourt with the rest specialy the president and thank you so much Anderson u should be the next president in haiti and thank you Dr Sanjay please tell the world what i said cause i,m haitien and i know what i,m talking about


Dodie   February 4th, 2010 1:49 am ET

@ vanessa pierre

I completely agree. It would be best if we helped your people directly by giving YOU the tools to help yourselves. I am very happy you were able to post on Larry King! I hope you can post on here again.

Thank You

Dodie, California


Cajazz76:24:8   February 4th, 2010 11:48 am ET

@ vanessa pierre

Your correct, however, none of us will ever get out of this world alive. Maybe, if we help each other while we are here the exit out will allow us to look back and see the bridges we built towering above the ones we have burnt. As far as those Americans, right now they are wishing they were. They are actually Canadians being assisted by Americans. Those Canadians are singing their hymns of hallelujah to drown out the questions being asked of them by those curious of their dilemma and are quickly alienating any support needed by them from those curious Americans, the media. The ones who reported their dilemma to their country and the world. We all need each other.


Gina   February 4th, 2010 1:44 pm ET

Excuse me folks: this also is no different than AMERICAN children who end up with what is the equivalent of an orphanage here in the United States which is foster care and subsequently parents are forced into giving up their children to adoption! THEY ARE NOT ORPHANS! They also have biological parents, biological grandparents, biological relatives!


Gina   February 4th, 2010 2:10 pm ET

The UNITED NATIONS also needs to interfere in America; there certainly have been incidents of forced adoptions in the United States where children were given to strangers by the government who did have BIOLOGICAL PARENTS, BIOLOGICAL GRANDPARENTS, BIOLOGICAL RELATIVES; they were NOT ORPHANS!


Tj   February 4th, 2010 4:01 pm ET

whats new about this story


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   February 4th, 2010 10:54 pm ET

Yes, have to be so careful here. There are people that will take advantage of situations.

These people probably rushed in too soon whether with good or bad intentions. Need to do it properly.


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