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December 26, 2009

Terror plot thwarted NIGHT TWO

Posted: 08:12 PM ET

Tonight,

CNN obtained this exclusive photo of the suspect being taken into custody on board the plane.

Another scare in the air...

A flight, the same flight, from Amsterdam to Detroit is disrupted two days after the attempted terror attack on Christmas day.

Was this a copycat move or simply a misunderstanding?

What's the state of air travel, is this an industry in crisis?

Tonight, a special Larry King Live will talk to reporters and experts from around the globe as we try to get to the bottom of what's going on.

9pm ET

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svivar9087   December 26th, 2009 8:17 pm ET

Where was the air marshall ?


A. Smith, Oregon   December 26th, 2009 8:23 pm ET

On Oct. 2009, a Muslim had a pound of high explosives, plus a detonator inserted in his rectum in an attempt to assassinate Saudi Prince Muhammad bin Nayef, the Saudi anti-terrorism chief.

Faithful Muslims then promised to put instructions on assembling and concealing a butt bomb on the internet.

As of Oct. 2009, governments in Europe and so-called terrorism experts in the U.S. were warning that faithful Muslims may attempt to use a butt bomb to bring down commercial airliners.

The original faithful Muslim butt-bomber stood next to the Saudi Princes bomb sniffing dogs and security staff for a least 30 minutes and was totally undetected before he detonated his explosive wad.

It seems the purpose ramp up on airport security is not to ferret out faithful Muslims, but rather get the American populace acclimated to living in a police state where complete submission and full body cavity searches will be required.

How do you feel about closed circuit cameras being mounted in airplane bathrooms to see if a faithful Muslim is mixing up explosives?

How do you feel about your children going thru full body scanners over and over again and then finding out their nude image are being stored in dozens of databases around the world?

How do you feel about facial recognition software of you entering the airport and passing that information to dozens of databases including those in Casino's to track your daily activity's?


A. Smith, Oregon   December 26th, 2009 8:28 pm ET

Larry, the CNN audience would love to hear how upset the CNN staff investigators and reporters are that are now forced to undergo full body searches and full body scans routinely day after day during their frequent flights across the nation.

How do they feel about new cameras being added to airliner bathrooms filming them to see if they are a faithful Muslim mixing explosives?

It would be entirely refreshing to hear how they feel and how they are personally impacted by this newest wave of Airport security reactions to the Muslim butt-bomber.

Among the new rules and changes are No bathroom visits a full hour before the plane lands, You had best check your flight seat to see if it is wet before sitting down in some former passengers puddle!

Senior citizens and men with prostrate conditions are going to be highly stressed to wait a full two hours before they are able to relieve themselves (1 hour plus 1 hour disembarking and further screening and locating a bathroom in the tarmac).


A. Smith, Oregon   December 26th, 2009 8:40 pm ET

svivar9087, the faithful Muslim butt-bomber was entirely invisible until he triggered his explosives. No air marshal would have stopped that. Apparently where he was holding the explosives, only a full body scanner and body cavity search would have found it beforehand.

American's aren't used to routinely being told to bend over and cough as they prepare for their flights!


iheoma   December 26th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

What is the most puzzling in this, is why the security and screening processes at the Nigerian International airport – his ORIGINAL DEPARTURE POINT, has been deliberately omitted in the extensive United States media analysis. Rather the focus has been on Amsterdam. Something is just not right .


Kristy Lynn   December 26th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

So much for flying being safe.


Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia   December 26th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

This is an example of the need for the US to be extra-vigilant to protect its people and the homeland. Leave the Afgan problems to the Afghanistan. The US should be more alert against the terrorists lurking in your midst or entering your country via land, air and sea.


ssexton   December 26th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

#1 how did this terrorist manage to get this far not only in his plan but in flight...
#2 why was it only one passenger that took such action to save everyone on the flight where was everyone else including the flight attendants with an extingisher....
#3 are we the tax payers going to have to pay his for his medical treatment he is receiving in the states as well as legal representation? I SAY NO WAY, hes getting medical attention that some of our own citizens are not afforded......
#4 WHERE IS OUR PRESIDENT? why has the president not taken time from his vacation in Hawaii to address such an important issue


A. Smith, Oregon   December 26th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

@ Idzan Ismail, Any Muslim that suddenly decides to faithfully follow his/her dutys and obligation to the Koran and the Muslim religion could be a future Muslim butt-bomber.

That isn't fear mongering, that is a cold splash of reality which the current experiment with Muslims living in Western Nations does not fully address.

Muslims can come from any nation, race or gender.

The Muslim religion does not in my opinion share the core American values to which all Americans embrace and cherish.

The Muslim Religion should be removed from Religions which the American Govt. recognizes.


Dodie   December 26th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

Good Evening Larry King, CNN staff and everyone else….

Waiving to A. Smith, Oregon. Good evening to you.

So what would the solution be regarding flying? Exempt all Muslims from flying our aircraft? Have everyone completely undress and all clothes scanned?? Have anyone that wants to fly receive a full FBI investigation?


Falcon   December 26th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

How in the world is this possible that these attackers are smarter than the rest of the world including all the chemicists? 1st Timothy McVee, 2nd the shoebomber and now this suspect who are all more inventive than the rest of the world, unbelievable, are we dumn and blind?


jack   December 26th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

Glad I am not a sheep who travels by air anymore. Now they will search your underwear too. Why should we (the American patsies) pay for a public defender for this retard, when he comes from rich Nigerian banker family? This has nothing to do with any weakness of President Obama. We lost many people under the bush/cheney terms. This was a thwarted attempt. Kudos to the brave Dutch citizen and others who took action..Hope this jihadist gets his virgins in another life, doesn't look like he is likely to get any during this one. Imbecile! That is what one gets for listening to violent fanatics of any religion!


Ron   December 26th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Flying is undoubtedly safer than it has been in the past. With that being said, this incident is a stark reminder that we are, and always will be, vulnerable to a terrorist attack. Let's stop whining about having to take our shoes off at the airport security checkpoints.


gary delabate   December 26th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

It's time to allow only american-looking people into our country. None of this funny looking funny speaking foreigners. That'll solve all our problems


Kyle R.   December 26th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

This is extremely typical of most Muslims, the use of violence.

We need another holy crusade.

Kyle


brad white   December 26th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Larry, Here is the solution, require OFFICIAL INVITATIONS for all non pasported Americans visiting the USA, just like China, Japan and South Korea require of us on entering their countries.

That should stop these craizies

Brad White


Shannon Phillips   December 26th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Ok, so I have been sitting here trying to figure out how to get in touch with CNN after watching this ongoing story...many important issues, why this man was allowed to fly here, airport security regulations, etc. But to me, the fact that we have had no statement or communication from the Obama Administration is insane! I am not an alarmist, but Obama was playing golf today? And he is not coming back to DC until after the new year? I am a huge fan of Obama, believe in him, believe he is doing his best for this country during an tough time. But I don't see any other way of seeing this...there was just a major terrorist attack on US soil...on Christmas Day! "Get somebody out there to talk to us...there is no bigger job you have than our homeland security! Put away the golf clubs for now...you are our President! Thank you." This is what I would say to him.


Gary Wasilewsky   December 26th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

I would like to know where our president is.

When we had a problem during President Bush years, he was there trying to inform us what is going on.

Makes you think where his priority's are.


Debbie Nichols   December 26th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

Another lucky event..... the terrorist's bomb did not go off just like Richard Reid's shoe bomb did not go off.... what about the next one? Will we be this lucky or will we be destroyed?


Kathy Hall   December 26th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

Instead of discussing whether passengers will be allowed to go to the bathroom during the last hour of the flight, let us hear more about the people responsible for listening to the warnings of the father of the terrorist.


Concerned Flier   December 26th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

Nice job Obama admin!!!! You did a great job stopping this terror plot before it started...and oh yeah, no reason to keep Gitmo open...get a clue...maybe start by calling some members of the Bush admin...


Risa   December 26th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

who decided to put him on the lowest risk list? What is their decision making process?


Enigma   December 26th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

I am not more fearful of flying after this latest incident. I actually think the quick response from the other passengers and crew empowers passengers to be more involved. After all, we're the ones who are seated in the coach and can see what other passengers are doing. Has anyone interviewed the person who was sitting next to the terrorist?


Sheila Azzopardi   December 26th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

No I am not afraid to fly. We should not allow anyone to alter our lifestyle. We have to be extra nosy. We need to know what our fellow passages are doing. If you are suspicious, be suspicious and watch them. if they act suspicious, forgot being political correct! Watch them and be aware of want is going on. I am sorry I refuse to change my lifestyle. I will fly and carry on with my life.


Ray   December 26th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

What was the suspects reason for traveling to the U.S.A. I think it's about time we scrutinize who and why they are coming to our Country !!


Falcon 2   December 26th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

Are all signals just ignored? His dad informed authorities of his radical behaveour, same for the Doctor in the Armee who asked to be discharged before he killed too many soldiers, it appears that the resposible people under estimated the seriousnis of these information, they need to be fired too!


Laurie   December 26th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

As a Canadian who avoids flying into the USA or over USA airspace, I can only say that the real tragedy here is the over reaction that the TSA will have to this. How many hundreds of thousands (or millions) of people travelled over the holidays? I drive to the USA and if I can't drive, I don't go (unless it's an urgent need – which is rare).

The problem isn't the airport screening. Someone will always find a way to destroy a plane if they really want to. The real problem here is that his father reported him and nothing was done about it. (assuming that report is true).

If airtravel is made any more inconvenient, it will kill air travel and it will certainly hurt the USA's economy at a time when it doesn't need more challenges.

I'm not afraid to travel because of a terrorist threat. I loathe to travel because the reaction by authorities has made it so tremendously time consuming, annoying and inconvenient.


jack   December 26th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

Seems like most attackers have come from Saudi Arabia and Yemen. Why did we attack Iraq , again?


Bill   December 26th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

I'm in no way afraid to fly after this event. In fact, if God forbid, this type of thing happens again, I hope I'm on the flight. This way i know I can be part of taking these extremists off their "mission."


Steve   December 26th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

Being i work for a Major airline The fear of flying doesnt exsist. I witness actions by the Tsa and Homeland security That prevents anything from Happening. I actually work in Detroit . What scares me is the lack of security at places like lagos and smaller third world countries. domestically in the United States is very safe. Ironically I work for NWA and as a baggage Handler sevearl times we have brought attention to suspicious items . What needs to happen is re screening at any hub a person may fly into such as Amsterdam , Detroit , Jfk , Atlanta ....


CVG   December 26th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

In any world at any time there has never been complete security or "safety." We are still in more danger on the highway than from terrorists in the air. The only way to be completely safe from danger, pain, etc. is to be already dead. Will we stop flying? Will we stop driving? Will we stop going out in public? Hmmm, the majority of accidents happen in the home.


N Eckhoff   December 26th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

Why should anyone quit flying? When we quit, when we get scared, when we fail to live our lives day to day as we have and this includes flying, then we are giving into the sick minds that feel killing innocent people in One Plane will scare the millions and milliions of people who fly daily. These people are supposed to be smart?


dmccutch   December 26th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

Does this make me afraid to fly?

No.

It always has been an odds games, just like driving. There is always a chance something will occur that will take your life. Something you will likely have no control over. I would be interested to hear the odds of booking a seat on a fatal terror stricken airline flight versus suffering a fatal car incident en-route to the airport from my home thirty miles away.

I am confident the drive to the airport remains more risky and feel comfortable booking a flight today.

David


Chuck   December 26th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

Not afraid to fly anymore, but afer the way security treats every American traveller like we are criminals, I don't fly nearly as much as I used to. Now it will be worse! I dread even going to an airport now, but I have never been afraid to fly! I hate the attitude many of the idiot screeners have. Law enforcement in this country is out of control!


Dodie   December 26th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

Maybe we need to design a body scanner that can detect any unusual object within the body? The problem is they can have explosives surgically implanted. So what next?


Janey   December 26th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

Hi Larry – Love your show!

I am not more afraid of flying now after what happened on Christmas because we were at Orange level for the past few years and are still at Orange level. As one of your panelist said this is really "security theatre". – it's just for show. We have not been safer because of these increased security checks. They are doing 2nd checks on people who have absolutely no history of any violence or any crime in their own state let alone their own country (ie 90 year old grandmas in wheelchairs and 2 year old babies) yet they fail to do a 2nd round on someone who is in their database as "suspect"??? I find this pathetic.

Now the government is saying "there are 400k people in that database but only 10% of them are on the no flie list" So what!?!? What is technology all about – all the information you can get on anyone from their license, their passport, goggle – COME ON – I can figure out who to date and not date based on this; can't they know who to 2nd check for explosives????


A. Smith, Oregon   December 26th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

Good Evening Larry King,

Please raise the point that the original Muslim butt-bomber that was a test for this Muslim butt-bomber occurred 2 months ago in Oct. 2009. Why weren't security forces already dealing with this?

@Dodie, I would implement a microwave version of a full body scanner with continuous study's to make certain that repeated microwave scans were not harmful.

And I would make triple certain that no nude photos of the people being scanned was forwarded to dozens of databases around the world where nude photos of children and innocent women, men could end up in the hands of the wrong people.


Joel   December 26th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

How did this guy got away with all them explosives. Flighting is scary as it is and now we gotta worrry about somebody trying to blow it up. Absolutly ridiculous.


Doug, Huntsville, Al   December 26th, 2009 10:31 pm ET

Larry..I avoided flying all my life up until I went on a business trip to Detroit ..two weeks before 9/11. I haven't flown since and don't intend too again.
If our government knew of this guy for two years...why did they let him fly here without being very closely watched?


Jerry   December 26th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

why a guy who apparently his father warning US official about his mental unstable condition is allow to get in a plane to the US.?. Instead to doing all the screening to millions of people we should be more intelligent on who is a potential dangerous individual.


Nicholas, Hawaii   December 26th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

Timothy McVeigh proved you can't tell a terrorist by how they look, or where they are born.

Nidal Hasan proved a terrorist can wear a United States uniform.

Where do we tighten the security? Do we give psychological tests to everyone who boards a plane?


jennifer   December 26th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

I was so thankful to hear many lives were saved, but on the other side disappointed with TSA, especially for international flights. MY QUESTION: if passengers are in the waiting area to board and notice "someone pacing" as such that someone had noted after the incident- WOULD the general lay citizen be able to approach a TSA official or airline representative and question someone's demeaner and such??? i know in my line of work (nurse) if the family informes the nursing staff that their love one looked like they were dying and the nurse asesses the cliet to be in fact stable, the family can call for a "rapid responce" which is similar to a passenger notifying TSA etc. which in both incidents could be good or bad. thank you


Suzi   December 26th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

I've been scared to fly since 9-11. However, I'm not going to let those bas****ds win, and I still fly. I flew within a week of 9-11 when I had the chance to reschedule my flight without itinerary. Ultimately, fearful Americans is what they want.

I'd like to know whether the pilot turned on the signal for final descent, when the suspect ignited the device. It sounds to me like the suspect planned to take out the airport. Living in the flight path, it brings to my attention though, that a plane that may have exploded and burning during final approach, could take out massive amounts of structures on the ground, whether its the airport or city or residential areas.

Major kudos to the passengers whose instincts kicked in immediately, and helped subdue the suspect. Whatever happened to the passenger in 19B? He reported his erratic behavior prior to his setting off the device, but it was never mentioned what actions he took once the fire started. Did he just sit there? Did he jump out out of his seat?


noel   December 26th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

i am flying this monday. it seems we have to take these matters into our own hands as did the hero's on the flight to detroit. can you believe our dept of security or our commander and chief haven't taken the time to address the public concerning this matter. maybe terrorism isn't a priority in this administration.


Marc   December 26th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

I feel as if CNN is trying to whip up hysteria about Christmas plane incident.

I don't feel terrified; I feel defiant. Al Qaida has no power over me. America has kicked their tail and will eventually render them insignificant. In a post-9/11 world, every plane or train or public gathering has an "army" of aware NON-terrorists who will watch for odd behavior and do exactly what was done on the Detroit plane.....take them (the perp.) down.


steve   December 26th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

i cant figure it out i was going through security to fly from florida to detroit i had a keylime pie they said at security i could not bring this mean while the guy in front of me had two lighters in his tray i asked them why cant i bring the pie but you allow lighters, they said you can have lighters who is dtupid here me or them or do i just dont understand


jack   December 26th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

This guy was on a "watch list" and was not checked out in a special kind of way? Sounds kind of like they need to get their priorities straight. I am no genius, but it would make more sense to check out one guy on a watch list than deshoe a thousand ordinary travelers.


Risa   December 26th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

How much control do we have over airport security system in other countries?


Heidi de Jong   December 26th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

As a traveler, my family and I have traveled in and out of Amsterdam quite a few times in the past years. We have found that the security is laxed. Why doesn't the United States set up a security procedure for inbound flights into the United States and any country not willing to implement those security procedures, inbound flights should not be allowed until those procedures are followed.


Mike   December 26th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

I think it was irresponsible to show the terrorist's father's photo on CNN while explaining how he contacted the FBI before hand. Way to encourage more parents to do the same. I'm sure the father is already fleeing his current life thanks to our great reporting...


Kareemah Muhammad   December 26th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Yes, I am scared of flying now. But most of all, it is the light in which this suspect will portray Nigerians and the muslim community at large that upsets me.


W. Essler, Kentucky   December 26th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

I'm in no way afraid to fly after this event. In fact, if God forbid, this type of thing happens again, I hope I'm on the flight. This way i know I can be part of taking these extremists off their selfish "mission."


daniel otu   December 26th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Larry, never would I be afraid, matter of fact if I have my way will fly the more. Act of terror is to intimidate innocent soul must not be allowed to prevail, terror must die!!!

guys must rise up to the occassion to confront them where ever they attempt to strike.

daniel


Dodie   December 26th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

@ Steve

I completely understand that. The plane came from Europe NOT the US so the security was a problem in Amsterdam, not the US.

A. Smith

wouldn't microwave scans cause heart attacks with people who have pacemakers?


Amy Forbes   December 26th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

I was on an international flight coming from Curacao to Miami and both my mother and I were pulled quickly aside and searched for having a can of Tomato juice ( given to us by the steward )...HOW could THIS man pass through the same security with a bomb??


P.Circelli   December 26th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

Good evening larry and staff .

I was quite surprised that this happened seeing that shoe bomber had the same ingredients .They are getting more sophisticated on the way they are doing it . We were very lucky that the incident did not happen . Listening to the news on CNN all day ,one of the newscasters said that he was seated in 19A an area that would of had maximum impact because on the fuel tanks . By the picture of the aircraft shown on the tarmac it would seem to be an Airbus 330-300 which does have a center fuel tank area but is not used and is therefore dry and contains no liquids at all in this model of aircraft . Only the Airbus 330-200 comes with a usable fuel center tank unless the A330-300 was modified by Delta for long haul flights . Your newscaster was correct in mentioning that . As an aircraft technician it is of great concern to us also . We don't need anymore mishaps like this and scare more people from flying . Better security and more vigalnace is needed at our airports to stop all this . Thank god there was one passenger that reacted quickly . He needs to thanked many times . Good night


Mary Joan, Sun City, AZ   December 26th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

You asked if we should be afraid of fling pursuant to this incident in Detroit. No. I am 68 years old, travel broadly for no purpose other than to see more of this beautiful earth, and will not be forced to curb my happy existence because of such acts as these perpetrated by persons who do not have a clue about how good life can be. I'm not afraid of them - however, I did purchase a .38 special ... I'm no fool.


Debbie Nichols   December 26th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

No one listened to faculty or student at Virginia Tech when they suspected potential trouble from a student.... and look what he did. He murdered innocent people. And the US Embassy was warned by this monster's father... and what did they do????
SHAME ON ALL OF THEM


slobo cromer   December 26th, 2009 10:40 pm ET

Hummm...a cross dressing security expert!


Dodie   December 26th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

@ jack

Anyone on a "watch list" should not be grated entry into the US. Why are we allowing people on a watch list entry. If they are on a watch list, I would 'assume' there was an investigation which resulted in some concern.


Stephan Royce   December 26th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

I flew on northwest Dec13th and Dec 20th I went through a detailed inspection at Corpus Christi, TX and in Newburg NY. I was wearing a broken leg "boot" and had crutches. They checked me with a wand. some strip search, a security booth and wiped my leg down with a white pad tested in a chemical anaylizer?. I also had a "gell" that was inspected by no less than 4 agents and finally cleared. the only thing that wasn't checked was sammy brown. So how the hell did this guy get on the plane with bomb materials. Are we the only Country doing our best and does any others really care?


Whitney foster   December 26th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

Yes I am afraid to fly now...but I want to know why he isn't being charged for attempted murder he needs to be put on prison for life


Grady Brown   December 26th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

What I learn from the attempted terrorist attack is the ememy of this nation will stop at nothing to bring harm to this nation of ours. What can be done to bring a halt to enmey fire is easy said and done.

I can only hope that Africans whom has call America home do not face any backlash from other Americans. And the religion of Isalam not be condem by other fellow Americans. Although I follow the Christian faith I would be lying to my self and most important to the God himself. If I did not reconize some of the wicked deeds that Christians in the name of Christanity enslaving Africans one the most wicked deeds Niageria being one of those African nations invaded by Christian slave traders. So I can only pray that peace and respect of all nations spread through out the global community.


John Menson   December 26th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

I have been watching the coverage of the bombing incident on NWA.
One thing that has not been mentioned is that Schipohl does not security checking until you get to the gate for your flight. As each gate has checking, my past experience was that only xray machines for luggage and metal detection for people were avaiable and that there were no explosive testing machines at these gates versus centralized checking where other airports have them when you go through security. Could be the reason they chose that airport.


Anonymous   December 26th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

Flying overseas in this day and age is fearsome. Not so much the outbound from the US, but the inbound. Requiring passengers to remain in their seats for the last hour of a long flight is ludicrous. That's a knee-jerk reaction to this event and will do nothing to thrwart any potential incident whereby a passenger simply denotes an explosive earlier. More stringent screening is required before boarding, including any 'sanitized' waiting areas. While most US citizens object to full body scanning as a privacy invasion, I would vote for relinquishing my privacy if it makes international flights more safe. Furthermore, I would vote for eliminating all carry-on luggage save a gallon-size see thru plastic bag to carry passports, a magazine or two, and a wallet. I would eliminate any and all electronic devices including laptops if the airlines would accept some level of responsibility. Put these two methods together (full body scanning and eliminating carry on baggage) and these events should cease as there will be no way to bring anything on board that can't be detected. And any airport globally would have to comply – not just those airports that might be originating points to the US. ALL Airports. It's a shame that we need to do this – it does make travelling a bigger headache than it already is. But I'll take a headache over potential death anyday!


slobo cromer   December 26th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

Yep...now the entire Al Qaeda organization knows who this "hero" is...and where he lives...yikes!


Chioma   December 26th, 2009 10:46 pm ET

Hi Larry. I'm an American born to Nigerian parents. Definitely not afraid to fly, but I think it's time for the Western world to realize that terror has taken on a new face. Many terrorist cells have found grooming grounds in Nigeria and other African countries faced with serious political and security issues. What we must ask ourselves is, if a privileged and well educated Nigerian can get radicalized to the point of trying to execute a full blown suicide bomb attack (over US soil), what would thousands of uneducated and radicalized African Moslems do to Western interests worldwide?

We need to stop dancing around the issue of racial/religious profiling. Islam/Jihad is the common thread with all these terrorists. Why do we continue to treat these people with kid gloves?


anthony   December 26th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

I feel sorry for that kid. Why would a 23 yr old boy living in a 4 million dollar apt. try to committ an act of terror against the United States? Maybe he feels sorry for what the US is doing to the African Americans?


A. Smith, Oregon   December 26th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

What is Petn?

Petn is routinely used for filler in DetCord, Primacord which is commonly used in commercial explosive operations. Any construction firm blasting for roads can easily get their hands on Det.Cord.

Petn could be removed from the DetCord, despite the speakers assurances that only a govt. can produce and have it, it appears relatively easy to make from scratch and it is also found in thousands of locations across America in the form of the filler in DetCord.


Falcony   December 26th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

From experience I know that every passenger who boards an US bound airplane at Schiphol Airport/Amsterdam each individual is questioned about the trip etc. Was this guy a "pokerface" and didn't show any suspicious behaveour, what about previous observation by supervisors, after been ok'd you forward on to the security check and wait for boarding, did nobody observe any suspicious behaveour?
The whole situation is hard to believe!
For sure he'll get now a 20 +year visa and the taxpayer have to pay, again!


A. Smith, Oregon   December 26th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

@slobo cromer, that is a very, very good point. Nothing like risking your life only to have News Media post your personal information and home address so Muslims wanting revenge can hook you up with AK47's one, two or five years from now.


jennifer   December 26th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

Steve, thats for damm straight!!! i flew in march to texas most southern border and they TSA would not let me take an unopened bottle of soda. as for the medical care to the suspect's care i know in ohio, medicaid does not and will not consider beneifits for illega aliens. so who pays???? is it fair to the hospital, doctors, nurses and the many other people behind the scene? of interest the health bill proposal does not and will not cover all americans over seas. what if you were traveling and got injured or something like this happens??? thank you


jack   December 26th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

Well, I may have to go during last hour, and do not like to be watched while I am trying to take care of my needs, and do not happen to carry incendiary devices in me undies. So, guess I will stay off airplanes. They seem to leave a lot to be desired, what with the delays, the crappy service, and (unless you are in 1st class) the the less than joyous travel. Wasn't that guy on a "watch list"? Then, why wasn't he inspected? Kudos to the brave passengers , who took action. Not President Obama's problem. No fatalities. He needs to finish vacation. He has a high stress job, and needs to be refreshed to take on the ignorant Repubs and tea party crowd.


RebeccaJoel   December 26th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

The US should take all his money and fund the troops coming home.


Enigma   December 26th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

To Anthony: How can anyone complain about what the US is "doing to the AFrican Americans?" They are electing one president and appointing Afro- Americans to important positions; paying high salaries to atheletes and show biz stars. Do you know anything about the inumanity that's going on in the rest of the world? Get a life!


slobo cromer   December 26th, 2009 10:55 pm ET

Ditto, A. Smith...


Rebecca   December 26th, 2009 10:55 pm ET

IDEA: why don't the US take all of this idiot's money and fund our troops who need to come home. THEY NEED TO BE HERE TO PROTECT US!


slobo cromer   December 26th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

Why don't we simply STOP Muslim emigration?


A. Smith, Oregon   December 26th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

@Dodie, you asked, 'wouldn't microwave scans cause heart attacks with people who have pacemakers?'

Yes indeed anyone with a pacemaker or wired leads running to their hearts would not want to have a full body screen using anything short of a ultra-sound machine.

Faithful Muslims would likely pretend they have a pacemaker to slip past the full body scan machines!

Some enterprising American inventor should invent a butt-scanner like a full body device but smaller that you set on like a commode, and name it Osama bin Ladin.


sam spearman   December 26th, 2009 10:58 pm ET

Don't you think calling these terrorists as muslim RADICALS=FUNDAMENTALISTS??? don't you think this would give a wrong signal to young muslims? As if we are telling them "BE TERRORIST TO BE FUNDAMENTALIST". Those who take their faith seriously they would like to be fundamentalists, I think. Does Islam as a religion in its core/roots calls for such terror ??


Dodie   December 26th, 2009 10:59 pm ET

@ Rebecca

That would be a nice idea, but the problem security was from Amsterdam, not here. How do we control airports out of the US unless all governments come together. And we all know how well that works?


Lesley, CT   December 26th, 2009 10:59 pm ET

With all of the technology available today we must find a way to improve airport security and the methods in which TSA can monitor all passengers and luggage for all flights. We cannot afford to become complacent and we need to find a way to make airport security more secure. It was said in the interview tonight that the "puffer" machines that were brought into airports to help detect explosives were recently phased out due to the amount of maintenance they require. If machines such as the "puffer" machine help eliminate human error and enable us to detect substances undetectable to the human eye/x-ray/ etc... then we must find a way to reincorporate these vital machines into our airports. I also think requirements and job training for TSA agents needs to be improved. This should be a higher paying job with more accountability.


jennifer   December 26th, 2009 10:59 pm ET

PACEMAKER QUESTION

in all my years nursing, the pacemakers have come a long long long way. really truely the microwave scanners and others- really don't hurt the travelor. ONLY is the pacemaker is OLD.
THE TRAVELOR MUST SPEAK WITH HIS/HERS DOCTORS TO DETERMINE IF MICROWAVE TYPE EQUIPMENT WILL/
WILL NOT hurt you. good night!


jack   December 26th, 2009 11:01 pm ET

@Dodie..I agree, if this guy was on a watch list, why was he not given special attention? This tomfoolery does not reassure me about the safety of flying. Several fortuante things happened to avert disaster. The imbecile's ineptness and the quick response of the Dutch passneger and others. And, if he comes from such a very wealthy family, why should we taxpayers pay his legal bills?


Dodie   December 26th, 2009 11:02 pm ET

@ A. Smith, Oregon.

Now that is funny... a butt scanner!

Looks like a good invention to me!

I also recommend people in a plane become more aware of those around you!


A. Smith, Oregon   December 26th, 2009 11:05 pm ET

I wonder how airlines would react if potential passengers routinely began asking how many Muslim named people are on the passenger list?


Dodie   December 26th, 2009 11:07 pm ET

We all need to watch out for Easter as it is another Christian holiday...


A. Smith, Oregon   December 26th, 2009 11:08 pm ET

@slobo cromer, Faithful Muslims consider anyone that is not a Muslim to be a infidel, including family members that might be Christians, Buddhists, Seiks, etc.


slobo cromer   December 26th, 2009 11:09 pm ET

Ditto, A. Smith, that's my point. Even the law abiders will kill us...


Dodie   December 26th, 2009 11:10 pm ET

@Jack

I believe in 'hard working' prisons. I wish everyone else would...


jack   December 26th, 2009 11:12 pm ET

jennifer@ Microwaves may not be safe, but they are safer than plastic explosives going off in midair. A good search before boarding. That's the ticket, especially of the usual gang of likely suspects. And, particularly if they have been linked to violent groups of any nationality.


anthony   December 26th, 2009 11:15 pm ET

Will Obama send his droids to kill "Al qaeda" in England like he did in Yemen? U.S. backed Yemeni missile strike in Yemen today reportedly killed several Al Qaeda leaders including U.S. citizen Anwar al-Awlaki, though confirmation of his death is pending.

I doubt it.

I would not be surprised if this foiled attacked was set up by the US government ( see 911 ) in an effort to throw out Islam and muslims out of England.


slobo cromer   December 26th, 2009 11:19 pm ET

Got to resond to this! Who's going to throw them out Anthony? Us or the Brits? You do know what PC woosses the Brits are don't you?


anthony   December 26th, 2009 11:21 pm ET

@Enigma. Black unemployment in some areas is 50 percent.

The Hebrews own "shepherds" (leaders both political and religious) are using them in order to get rich. They have no pity or compassion for the Hebrews condition, many just want to get more money and become more famous. A couple years ago, the President of the National Baptist Convention, Rev. Henry Lyons was found guilty for fraud, theft and a host of other things, he is not the only one like this.

Rev. Jesse Jackson, Minister Louis Farrakhan and many other's, live in big homes, drive big cars, have big bank accounts, while the people they are suppose to help are living in dire conditions. The Hebrews are being eaten up from both sides, from the ones that hate and oppose us continually and from the ones who pretend to love and help us, we receive no mercy or loyalty from our own.


anthony   December 26th, 2009 11:31 pm ET

@slobo. The weatlthy bankers that run the United States- the IMF, World Bank. The ones that gave the terrorist state of Israel 3 Billion last year with a promise of 30 billion more. But yet gave the America people a lousy health care bill. I feel sorry for the lower-class working family as well as the African Americans because they're both are going /getting screwed. I hope you got an advanced degree because you're going to need it.

There's a holy world going on between the christians and islam.


jack   December 26th, 2009 11:31 pm ET

@Dodie... I see no problem with hard labor for violent criminals. For them prison should not be a rec area. if they freed people in for victemless "crimes," there would be plenty of room for the hard core types. Plus ,we would not waste the police and court and taxpayer's money on useless victemization.


jack   December 26th, 2009 11:45 pm ET

@anthony...What did England have to do with it? My understanding is he boarded in two places befor coming to US, neither of which was England.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 26th, 2009 11:47 pm ET

Is it denial when Western Media routinely address's a Muslim that is faithfully following the dutys and obligations stated by the Koran and repeated by all Ayatollahs, Clerics, Mullahs and Muslim immans is a radical Muslim?

By that definition then 99% of all Muslims living in Islamic Ruled countrys around the world are 'radical' Muslims. The 1% of non 'radical' Muslims living in those countrys is either in jail or keeping a very low profile.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 26th, 2009 11:52 pm ET

It would be helpful for the audience if CNN interviewers asked the Dutch man that helped put the fire out, or the other passenger that reported on the crisis, what the smoke smelled like.

Nitro compounds have a very distinct and clearly recognized odor.

Similar to the smell of burning nitro cellulose found in gun powder, the fumes generally causes your eyes to immediately tear up and you don't forget the smell if you've been close to Nitro Methane from a fuel race dragster.


jack   December 26th, 2009 11:53 pm ET

@anthony... We can't blame all Islamists for what a militant fringe group does. Every so called religion has extremists who do not represent the mainstream of their belief system. The best course, I feel, is what President Obama is doing;attempting to reach across to other nations through diplomacy and understanding. We have seen that war only alienates more extremists. Do we want friends or enemies? Making more enemies, only recruits more fighters for the extremists.


jack   December 26th, 2009 11:58 pm ET

A Smith ,Oregon@ That is why we should pressure countries like Saudi Arabia to quit teaching hate for the West in their schools. If they are a true friend of US , then they should phase that crap out.


IK   December 27th, 2009 12:03 am ET

Good evening Larry, my commit is for you FBI guess, why is it the the father came out and notified authorities here in the States, but yet nothing was done. I am a Nigerian- American, and I travel back and forth here to Nigeria, and I am sad to say with all of our technology and b.s that we go through here before boarding a plane, that I have gone through better security in Nigeria, so what does that tell you!


anthony   December 27th, 2009 12:04 am ET

@ Jack. The US have no right to send droids into Pakistan and Yemen. Sorry but 9/11 did not give them a mandate to kill without proper evidence.


anthony   December 27th, 2009 12:10 am ET

"Al Aqaeda" is in England. The attempted bombing of that airplane is proof of that. I would like to see Obama send a droid to merry ole England. You and I both know that would never happen because there's too many white people there.


jack   December 27th, 2009 12:19 am ET

anthony@ I realize there is a lot of anger on all sides, but it seems Obama's attempt to try to find common ground will be the best course in the long run. I feel, that was the best strength of the otherwise weak Carter administration, he did try to treat both the Israelis and Palestinians fairly. I , like you, hope we can be more fair to all people, and from that real peace ensues.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 12:23 am ET

@jack, sadly Saudi's publish ton's of anti-West, Pro Islamic books worldwide using ten's of millions of our Oil dollars we give them.

The flood of anti-USA and Islamic attacks upon western tourists in Jakarta and other orient regions is a direct result of the publications that Saudi Arabia pumps out to fan its influence in the wide world.


Faye Yvette McQueen   December 27th, 2009 1:24 am ET

I am not afraid to fly because of this. I am always on the go and looking for new places to visit. I had an emergency landing years ago over Sioux City Iowa and have been nervous about flying ever since. I feel that this is such a rare incident that I do not worry about it ever happening while I am on a flight. I do however find it so odd that this person was able to even get on a plane given the fact that he was on a list and that he was flying overseas on a one way ticket!


Joy Akinfenwa   December 27th, 2009 1:24 am ET

Well I say That there is nothing to be afraid about. I mean this is not the first time any of this is occurring. We go back to the 911 attack...thousands of pople were afraid to fly. What happened yesterday is only a dust of what occured on 911.


Harry   December 27th, 2009 1:27 am ET

Who wants to fly now since our security has been breached. Also, our security is so lacking both in the air and on the ground that to travel anywhere is very trying for anyone wanted to travel. Why can't we just get it together and make our security service better. We are all waiting for money to be put in the right area instead of squandering it in the wrong areas................try a little pork at the air port and the borders!


Joanne Richards, New York   December 27th, 2009 1:28 am ET

The only thing I'm afraid about now is waht'll happen at the airport.


Mac D   December 27th, 2009 1:28 am ET

I will fly again, this will not stop me from flying, all terrorists should now know that the world is fed up with their terror acts and should this happen while Iam on board, I will participate in apprehanding anyone messing with my trip!


Gary McDougall   December 27th, 2009 1:29 am ET

Larry, Who's hands was the info provided by his Father in?


Janine   December 27th, 2009 1:30 am ET

Larry King asked..."are you afraid to fly now?"

I live in Detroit. I've been on an airplane in August and November of this year. I pray when I board the plane that the pilots have the ability for a safe lift off and when we are preparing to land I pray the pilots have the ability for a safe landing. When I drive long distances I pray for a safe travel by land.

I'm not afraid to fly within the United States, but I'd say I can't see myself flying internationally. I am afraid to do that at this point.

To those who question where is the president. I'm curious to know why it's necessary for the president to address and attempt to blow up an airplane. The attempt was a thwarted attempt. What is there to be achieved by the president addressing this incident?


Wayne Prior (Canada)   December 27th, 2009 1:31 am ET

I am to fly in about 10 days does not bother me. I trust the security.


Linda R. in Omaha   December 27th, 2009 1:31 am ET

I think they need to be checking out the screeners that let this guy through the gate. I have watched on tv how they screen and instead of being so concerned with whats on the belt they need to look up and look at people in the face. the ones I saw on Tv had heads down. Nothing makes one doing wrong more nervous than to be looked at in the eyes.


Eve Helms Manzanares   December 27th, 2009 1:33 am ET

I have been watching Cnn about the Nigerian male who tried to explode the Aircaft and it is very simple. Being a former flight attendant for several major carriers, i have been through all the Airports that these flights took. Lagos Airports is the worst as far as security is concerned, all you have to do is bribe or know people and you pass. In Amsterdam, if he was connecting, he was already in a sterile area with the explosives and therefore easily got onto the American flight. Unless things have changed, I can see how he was able to access through clean without being caught. What I do not understand is how he easily got the US Visa, unless of course he has a British passport, then that would be easy.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 1:35 am ET

I imagine this is how the call from the father of the faithful Muslim butt-bomber went:

Hello this is Heula from the First Nigerian Bank, I'm worried about my son and want to post a reward for his return.

Hello, this is the US embassy, what do you want?

I want your bank account number to send the reward.

Hello, US embassy here, no thanks try someone else!


Peter Donahue   December 27th, 2009 1:37 am ET

Hello, Due to the sorry state of commmercial air travel these days we have been giving flying by private jet charter or air taxi serious consideration. This recent act of terrorism should spirr others on do seek alternatives to scheduled air travel to insure their safety and security when flying. It's worth the extra money to not only be able to fly from point-to-point, but to have total control over who you share your plane with. It's wonderful to be able to fly with family and friends knowing that you don't need to worry that an airline will book a passenger with malicious intent on your flight. The air taxi industry has been struggling in recent years. Perhaps this recent terrorist attack on a commercial airliner is just the "Runway" this industry and other air charter services can take off from to reinvent how we travel by air.


SAMI   December 27th, 2009 1:38 am ET

Larry,

Our God was kind enough not to turn a peaceful Christmas in America into another chaos by this indecent attempt of terrorism ... As a moderate muslim, I believe these shameless people behind such terror attacks will continue to fail.


D.M.Jones   December 27th, 2009 1:38 am ET

Since the 9/11 attacks I've been kind of wiery when it comes to traveling by air. Since then of course America has been on its toes when it comes to protecting its citizens which has put most of us at ease. What troubles me is that even with the latest technology against detecting bombs and other dangerous incriminating acts, we (America) still managed to let an incident as such slip through the our fingers. It feels good that although it happened the way it did, citizens are beginning to put their lives on the line to save themselves and others, and I bet that puts all of us in a state of contentment


D.M.Jones, (NJ)   December 27th, 2009 1:40 am ET

&& by the wayy larry ... Luv tha show!!!!


Autumn Pemble   December 27th, 2009 1:45 am ET

Unfortunately, this incident does make me feel quite uncomfortable to fly. It seems like Americans have just been making strides in flying in the past few years due to 911. Our safety and security has been trampled on too many times. I am a resident of Honolulu, HI and have to make that 81/2 hour flight back to my home state and it is worrisome. It saddens me to think that Americans will be fearful of liberties that should give us pleasure and differentiate us from many other places. Moreover, with these actions our freedoms will be greatly infringed upon as we make our way through the airport. However, one wonders if all the additional security measures will truly make a difference.


Joanne Richards, New York   December 27th, 2009 2:02 am ET

A. Smith, Oregon Whay are you lashing out over something that hasn't even been accounted for?


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 2:07 am ET

@Joanne Richards, and what would that specifically be?


Mary S, Denver, CO   December 27th, 2009 2:18 am ET

I am a little nervous about flying due to terrorist acts but I will continue to fly because I still believe flying is the safest way to travel and it is fast! Besides all that I Love to fly and am a private pilot myself. I do however entertain the thought of charter flights. And I can appreciate the comment by the muslim person condeming acts of terror.


jack   December 27th, 2009 2:44 am ET

I am sorry to have to say this...but honestly , I would have a certain amount of anxiety , particulary if coming from Amsterdam or orher European ports at this time. maybe this is a one time thing, but I would rather err on the side of caution. Probably, even now, they are increasing safety measures.Thing that concerns me is that this guy got his hands on some high tech explosives. If this got into other , better trained , hands, it might prove disastrous. Hope the skies are safe. But I would not want to fly from Europe at this time. Hope everyone is safe.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 2:59 am ET

@jack, I agree to some concern. The IED bomb makers started with some really simple and almost laughable designs in Iraq. Within 2 years, no one was laughing and certainly no one is laughing now about how serious 3 oz. of Petn would be inside a jetliner in the air.

Given the degree of skill by the very sick and perverted Doctors in Pakistan and India who cripple slave children for a fee so the children can beg with their remaining eye, or leg that remains to feed their master, it would only be a matter of time before a faithful Muslim steps forward and they stuff several pounds of Symtex or C4 into his stomach, sew him back up and then beep him after take-off.

It is certainly a blessing the faithful Muslims butt-bomb fizzled and fried his crotch. I'm certain he'll be treated like a well kept girl in whatever prison he ends up in for the rest of his life.

As usual, the Muslim leaders across America is meeting this event with their typical wall of silence. They are probably disappointed. I suspect that is what they are privately stating behind their Mosque's closed doors.


jack   December 27th, 2009 3:23 am ET

A. Smith Oregon@ Hope there are plenty of Muslims in Amarica that find this kind of thing evil, and Muslims elsewhere, too. That is reason I hope that President Obama can reach out to the people of different faiths, and can decrease this type of thing, that hurts all sectors of the world. There is a lot of misguided actions to go around. The world needs to become a friendlier place, before it is too late. When I was younger, seemed like different countries liked Americans, and we could travel there on friendly terms , and they were welcomed here, on friendly terms. I hope those days will come again.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 3:37 am ET

@jack, I certainly agree. There is a huge blow-back from American CIA actions around the world that end up with American tourists being kidnapped, tortured and murdered at the very hands of those the CIA mistreated.

Often it has absolutely nothing to do with the American tourist. They didn't have anything to do with murdering someones family or bombing their town hall meeting. The tourist didn't arm their enemy's that did terrible things to them, nor did the tourist train their enemy's with torture techniques which included the use of cordless power drills.

And it's all entirely legal for the CIA to do those terrible deeds. I rather doubt the once kind folks in Thailand look kindly upon American tourists after the CIA kidnapped a teenager there under rendition and tossed him into Gitmo without any charges for over 7 years. And if that young man is released back to Thailand, would you as an American tourist like to run into him, his family or friends on some Thailand back street?


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 4:27 am ET

Let's recap for the readers:

1st. We have:
The suspects father reported to the American embassy about his son likely involvement with radical Muslims in 2008

2nd. We have:
On Oct. 2009, a Muslim had a pound of high explosives, plus a detonator inserted in his rectum in an attempt to assassinate Saudi Prince Muhammad bin Nayef, the Saudi anti-terrorism chief.

Faithful Muslims then promised to put instructions on assembling and concealing a butt bomb on the internet.

As of Oct. 2009, governments in Europe and so-called terrorism experts in the U.S. were warning that faithful Muslims may attempt to use a butt bomb to bring down commercial airliners

3rd. We have:
Dec. 25th 2009, A faithful Muslim wearing a butt-bomb designed by a bomb maker in Yemen attempts to blow up a passenger plane. The bomb fizzles and sets fire to the Muslims groin. The Muslim turns out to be the same son the Nigerian banker reported to the US Embassy in 2008.

4th. We have:
The introduction of full body searches, bathroom restrictions and forcing passengers to remain seated for 1 hour prior to landing.

Americans entering airports are now being photographed by facial recognition software and the results are sent to dozens of databases around the world.

Soon, full body scans of American women and children will be taken by the thousands and sent to dozens of databases around the world.

Given all of the information the US Embassy, Terrorist Experts and State Department had previously and supposedly missed it, American's are now losing yet another right of privacy and even the dignity of who is viewing their unclothed body.

I'm more concerned about the complete loss of control over facial recognition information being stored around the world and used to track any law abiding person for less than ethical purposes.

Others might be concerned of nude photos of their spouse and children ending up in the hands of highly questionable people around the world.

It seems in America, Freedom is simply something that means Nothing left to lose.


Dodie   December 27th, 2009 5:03 am ET

I have this visual image of CT scans lined up for people to slide through prior to entry onto an aircraft! Maybe we can think of it as a mini Disneyland ride? So you may be a little radio active if you fly often! What do you think?


R J   December 27th, 2009 5:20 am ET

Omg, so we now have an African al-queda guy?…does this mean we need to attack and occupy Africa now? That is the pretext that was used for Afghanastan and Iraq . And then there will be an Asian one , and a Caucasian one , and so on.
But this one proves that the war on terror is a fraud and an excuse to invade other countries. If this is the best they can do , al-queda is an army of fanatical fools and wanna bees that have to fly here on commercial airlines one or two at a time,so a war like threat seems quite weak actually.
Now of course any one would not want to be in a claustrophobic situation anywhere there is a threat of a pyromaniac or weapons being used, and it’s very good this was stopped, but threat wise? I mean y’all are killin your own more than some Al queda child from nigeria….I mean we’ve got soldiers attacking soldiers, soldiers killin themselves, children shooting children in the streets of our cities over money-Please, Let’s stop ALL the extreme violence in America from the ground up.
Let’s get it Started ! peace begins at home


Gar   December 27th, 2009 6:24 am ET

No, I am not afraid of flying, but I am afraid of what limitations are going to be made next on carry on items. All of the current measures are useless, and does not make for fearless flying, no matter how much the government limits us! Screening needs to be more efficient with higher technology, and news media needs to stop annoucing what they use in these plots!


Gar   December 27th, 2009 6:26 am ET

In addition to my last post, I fear that the US government is taking away our rights to free movement with all these restrictions already in place. Why don't they crack down on the morons who take huge suitcases and 10 bags online that delay people from getting up and down. Two is plenty! and one is too little, but the size should be enfoced more. These morons who carry these big wheeled carry on's onboard should be prohibted. Anyway, stop restricting our freedom of movement, let us bring water on board for crying out load, or force airport vendors to reduce the prices!!!! Who ever thought a small bottle of water would cost more than US$7!!!! This is robbery!!!


Ron O   December 27th, 2009 6:26 am ET

A complete failure by the TSA and airport security authorities. Isn't obvious passenger screening needs to be far better targeted. You don't see Jews, Christians or Buddhists trying to blow up planes do you ? The other problem is the weak EU governments who do not want upset their trading partners in the middle east and their large Muslim populations by treating ALL Muslims as potential terrorists. Eventually the US will work out who the real enemy is.


Ginigaeme   December 27th, 2009 6:31 am ET

The US and British are yet to see anything . The have been supporting Terrorist activities in Nigeria from the begining of the fraud called Nigeria. Every time the blood of the christain ibos are innocently split with the unrepentant support of the British. They will pay for all their attrocities in Nigeria. As long as the British continues to enthrone and support Muslims illitrate, corrupt and stooge looters in Nigeria , Al quida will soon be enthroned at the detriment of Britain and Us.
Ginigaeme from NIGERIA


SHOUB   December 27th, 2009 6:34 am ET

American Embassy claim to be strict refuse me an entry visa to US to visit my brother but gave to a Moslin terrorist a mutli entry visa..serves them right..No moslim should be allowed on an European plan..let then fly Qatar, Emirates,Turkish,Marocan or any Moslim airlines,,,. I am really afraid to fly now especially to the USA. without air marcial!.


Dr. Duro Damisa   December 27th, 2009 6:34 am ET

In our attempt to 're-brand' our image to the world, here comes another blow. May God deliver us from all these shame.


Maarten   December 27th, 2009 6:38 am ET

Let's not overreact.

I travel a lot both for business and vacation. I refuse to let my habits be changed by these things. If we let these incidents decide how we act and live, the terrorists have already won.

It seems to me that these attempts' purpose is more to scare people and make us live in fear than to actually kill people.

How about:
1. Let's make sure that everyone understands that this attempt failed, so this terrorist is a failure.
2. Let's not all be scared, let's not change the way we live and act, then they win.
3. Let's not make too much out of it, I support the low profile Obama is keeping, a president giving a speech would actually give this attempt more status than it deserves.


Laura   December 27th, 2009 6:39 am ET

Yes I'm afraid to fly. This is nothing new. A fire, or explosion in the air means people will die, be it intentional or accidental.
I don't need the President to comment, I think we know what happened and what it all means. I just need people to remember how clueless Mr. Bush was when Hurricane Katrina hit, and where was he for three days?


SHOUB   December 27th, 2009 6:41 am ET

Air marchials should be on all international flights,,, instead of sending soldiers to Afghanistan put them on planes Now!!!!


Ginigaeme   December 27th, 2009 6:44 am ET

I AM WRITING FROM NIGERIA. FAROUK IS NOT ENTIRELY A NIGERIAN . HE IS ALSO BRITISH. HE HAS BRITISH PASSPORT . WHY IS CNN AND BBC SUBDUING THIS VERY FACT? WHAT IS THE ROLE BRITAIN HAS BEEN PLAYING IN BREEDING TERRORISM AND BAD GOVERNANCE IN NIGERIA ?


tese   December 27th, 2009 6:46 am ET

I can guarantee you that if the suspect is truly alqueda related, it has nothing to do with his nationality, he probably got involved while living in London. We have enough problems in Nigeria, with our president 'sleeping on duty' to be thinking of terrorism. I hope all Nigerians will not be made to suffer for one man's crime.


Patrick Umeana   December 27th, 2009 6:49 am ET

Larry,
I find it interesting that a father reports a vital issue as this and yet this terror happens. What was the information used for? Did the security agency investigate the report? Someone has to be responsible for such negligence. Vital information at this time of Global terror fight should not be let-go so easily all over the world.
Ajao Estate, Lagos, Nigeria.


Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia   December 27th, 2009 9:15 am ET

Seasons greetings to A.Smith and all.
Here we go again. Muslims are being villified reviled and the religion bashing continues.
I and billions of other Muslims are angry about this Nigerian so-called Muslim,.
This so-called scum with a Muslim name has once again gave Islam a bad name.
But like President Obama said terrorism is colorm race or religion blin
They are not the faithful Muslims but a cockscrewed one with devianist beliefs.
I guess if i am am American Chriistian I would also resort to this myopic view-point of Muslims being terrorists,
But we have to let sanity prevail.
We have to ask these questions. For example Chicago's infamos Al Capone. Do we regard Chicagoans as descendants of mobster?. Same as the Mafia. Are italians guilty of gangsterism?.


Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia   December 27th, 2009 9:17 am ET

Typo error. Sorry.
Like President Obama said terrorism is color, race or religion blind.


madeline stern   December 27th, 2009 10:34 am ET

In many of the newscasts it is stated that there are 400,000 people on the lists. in the age of technology all of these names can be entered on computers which could be at the airports and it would take only seconds to enter aname and make a match.

Any muslim should be searched and questioned. This never would have happened on El Al. This monster would have bean subjected to a thorough search where his flight originated from and the fact that he was a muslim. Any decent Muslim should not object to this procedure since they are in as much danger as anyone else flying. This is not an indictment against Muslims but it just happens that they are the ones who are bombing us and commiting terrorist acts.

Searching old ladies, Mothers with children at an airport is a waste of time. Suspect people should be questioned just as they do on EL Al
The airports should hire israei trained people to work at the airports .
Peop;e shoud be fingerprinted and put onto computers which would alleviate long lines and could easily be check as they enter the airports.


sanmi A   December 27th, 2009 10:37 am ET

Yet again, Nigeria will suffer for the stupidity of but a few.


Gar   December 27th, 2009 10:56 am ET

Idzan

Just so you know, not all Americans think like that. Personally I know you and billions of other Muslims are not happy about this. Most Muslims are extemely nice people, just like any other relgion. And just like any other religion there are radicals, or as we call them, cults. This guy was in one of them..

I am a Christian and I do not believe that all Muslims are bad, there are few who twist the beliefs, just like in the Christian religion. Unfortuantely there are too many uneducated people out there.

Education, not angry are the keys to solving these issues. The media also play a vital role, the problem is, most media make us hate each other, and why do they do this, I have will never understand.


Gar   December 27th, 2009 11:07 am ET

A. Smith,

If they force me to stay seated one hour prior to landing I will pee on the floor or pee in a bottle, or I will just get up and take a leak. If they want to arrest me on landing, so be it, not allowing people to go to the bathroom is insane.


Serge Crespy   December 27th, 2009 11:30 am ET

Inexpensive suggestion for the Airlines:

A "sniffer-dog" on all flights; such, would have terrorists assume that the dog is accompanied by an Air-Marshall.

Happy New Year, Larry!


farideh   December 27th, 2009 12:01 pm ET

If a father steps forward and give the officials the necessary warning "my son is up to some thing wrong against USA" what else do they need to revoke his visa?. Even a 2 year old kid can figure that out. They should have been at his door the next day if not the same day.


Ted   December 27th, 2009 1:08 pm ET

Butt-bomber, butt scanner!!!


Ted   December 27th, 2009 1:18 pm ET

Sorry, I hit the wrong key, condition caused by the rich food I was forced to consume over the holidays.

There is no absolute safety and we should never blame the people at the airports if a butt-bomber gets through!!! Criminals are always ahead of the police, they think up new methods, the cops react to it. It is an endless procedure, the police, FBI, etc. are always a step behind.
I would say you better look at the pilot who is flying you if he had something strong to drink before he boarded the plane, such human errors cause a lot more plane crashes then the butt-bombers do, at least up to now.
Flying is the safest way to travel. Driving your car on the highway you live hundred times more dangerously and who knows, maybe a butt-bomber is in front of you in the tunnel you are about to enter.


Mike   December 27th, 2009 1:24 pm ET

Idzan Ismail –

I think a lot of people can sympathize with muslims being vilified in broad sweeping strokes but in turn you have to understand this: it's been just recently that I've heard about muslim community public backlash to extremism in Europe (for example). While I was delighted to hear about this, I know many are wondering:

1) Why has it taken so long?
2) Why isn't there more?

Where is the million man muslim march on Washington D.C. to denounce/decry extremism?

Where is the public support for American intervention (notice I didn't say occupation) in Iraq and Afghanistan?

Where are the reward money offers within Muslim communities to turn in known radicals?

Why aren't more U.S. based clerics and Mosque leaders outraged?

Why hasn't a global peace summit between religious world leaders been proposed?

Why aren't radicals beheaded, stoned, ridiculed, shunned for assassinating/hijacking the Islamic religion?

And in fairness...

Why hasn't the FBI published figures on how many terrorist apprehensions/interdictions were successful because they received the assistance of muslims?

Why doesn't our media show positive depictions of law abiding / religiously tolerant muslim americans?

and again, ...why would we post a photo of this recent terrorist's father along with revealing his ID and profession after he was good enough to do the right thing by going to the FBI?


IKHAN san jose ca   December 27th, 2009 1:45 pm ET

Dear Larry,

today's violent world is spawning these maniacs who are enemies to all regardless of race or religion.
We hear of Muslims being massacred while praying in mosques at the hands of these barbarians & religious processions being bombed in places like Iraq & Pakistan. They kill indiscriminately to serve their masters who practice their own demonic brand of faith which has nothing to do with true religion but is a sinister political agenda driven by greed both of money & power.

Young minds are being corrupted by who? That is the big question. Where are the Al Qaeda/Talibans getting sophisticated arms, funds & equipment & training from? That has to be investigated & stemmed.
One good development we are seeing though is that families are now getting concerned about their young, they are watching for red flags & coming forward with their concerns to the authorities. As in this case & the case of the five youngsters arrested in Pakistan. That should be encouraged.


sir kpedi   December 27th, 2009 1:56 pm ET

helo larry,the nigeria terorist is from northen part of nigeria.so pls sir make it kown to the world that we from south south we are not extrimist.we kown were we are from.pls larry make seprate this 2 provice i beggggg ooooooooo.


Anne   December 27th, 2009 3:25 pm ET

Timothy McVeigh
white, non muslim, US citizen, ex military killed 168 people in a terrorist bombing


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 3:59 pm ET

The Koran, Ayatollahs, Mullahs, Clerics, and Immans of the Muslim Religion ALL teach, instruct and command there is NO leaving the Muslim religion under the penalty of Death.

Furthermore, they are taught it is the duty and obligation of family members as well as all Muslims that are faithfully following the duty's and obligations of the Muslim Religion to murder any Muslim that leaves the Muslim religion and converts to another religion.

The Muslim Religion is slavery, plain, clear and unequivocal. Children born into Muslim family's are born into physical and spiritual slavery.

During the Medieval time period the Christian Pope aligned with the Emperor and created Spiritual enslavement of the people with the Physical enslavement of the Emperor. Together they created a Evil Alliance which controlled all physical and spiritual aspects of the people.

With the Muslim Sharia Law enacted, Muslim Ayatollahs, Clerics, Mullahs and Immans attempt to have complete Physical and Spiritual enslavement of the people. They order you on what you can physically do, they order you on what your spiritual needs, progress and directions are. If you disagree, you are jailed, tortured, or murdered.

The Creator gives humanity the choice in how we conduct our physical lives. The Creator gives humanity the choice in how we conduct our spiritual lives. Any religion which removes humanity's ability to chose is not in harmony with the Creator and therefore is clearly anti-spiritual in its application.


ckelly   December 27th, 2009 5:04 pm ET

A Smith-indeed we are entering Orwellian times...England is all ready about 10 years ahead of North America.

Here in Vancouver for the Olympics in February, over 1Billion dollars worth of security equipment has been installed at the airport and in the downtown (Vancouver has a geographically tiny, downtown core-you can start in any direction and walk to the other end in less than half an hour)

The municipality and the police are reassuring citizens that the equipment will not be used in the downtown area once the Olympics is over-but come on!- It cost over a $billion to set up enhanced security-so what is the likely hood that this is true?

FYI-I found this excerpt from Wikpedia interesting (I wasn't aware of this until I saw it today)

"In October 2009, the Legislative Assembly of British Columbia through the Miscellaneous Statutes Amendment Act, 2009, gave host municipalities (Richmond, Vancouver and Whistler) the power to enter residences and other private property to seize signs that are deemed to be "anti-olympic", between February 1 and March 31, 2010.[75] Another amendment changed the Vancouver Charter to allow for fines of up to $10,000 and imprisonment for up to 6 months for sign and bylaw violations.[76]"

-George Orwell was only off by 25 years..

And look at Britain these days-cameras are now being installed in CP family homes (25000 in total) to make sure children are eating properly and going to bed on time. Also, any one who registers a child in school in one particular school district, must undergo a criminal check, in order to enter the school property.

Didn't Queen Elizabeth give President Obama a leather bound copy of 1984 by George Orwell as a gift, when the Obamas visited her last spring?


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 5:28 pm ET

@ckelly, Thank you for sharing those updates on how expansive the loss of freedoms are occurring in neighboring Western Nations.

Under the guise of the Patriot Act and Laws, Americans lost many freedoms overnight. It came so quickly, those that put them into place must have worked and planned over several years for the time and event that would propel those sweeping changes into law.

I'm deeply concerned that under the guise of out of control Muslims, Western Nations are literally being converted into some depraved version of West Berlin.

Our homes in America can now be searched without any warrants and without notification if that person isn't in their home at that time.

Our bank accounts can be routinely searched without any warrant.

Domestic and cell phone calls are all routinely recorded and scanned.

Emails also are recorded and routinely scanned.

With this Muslim butt-bomber episode, its appears that facial recognition software is now taking photos of all airport visitors, and sending that data to databases around the world to track individuals.


ckelly   December 27th, 2009 5:56 pm ET

@ A Smith-I wasn't aware that The Patriot Act was still an active act. That's disturbing.

NWO-One world government, bank etc-its only a matter of time. There will be two classes-The workers and the benefactors. Technology will also both replace workers and enhance workers-while the rest becomes "The uselss eaters". Or as the Nazi's called it "The life unworthy of life".

That is why I do not buy into this notion of "Zeitgeisting" the planet-loss of national soveriegnty and personal freedoms, all for the sake of The World Trade organization and multinational business interests.

"We are all connected"-"We are all in the same boat" SLOGANS used at The Climate summit and PLEEEASE-the young banking Brit, Baron David de Rothchild!! He was interviewed exclaiming that a one, world government is essential to saving the planet. ???

Maybe its essential for brokering deals and enhancing business interests-allowing for a few more elites, very wealthy, across the globe.

Meanwhile, Al quada, terrorism, war and the media keep us frightened and alert-wanting the very security that will ultimately control us- and remove privacy, personal freedoms and national sovereignty.


Tony Alex   December 27th, 2009 7:00 pm ET

Why is the American media not mentioning that this Umar Farouk Abdul Mutallab is also a British citizen?. Why is the American media not mentioning that this guy was traveling with a British P A S S P O R T?. why is the American media not mentioning that the only P A S S P O R T this guy has is a British P A S S P O R T?. Or does it just sound better for the American media to label him a Nigerian national instead of a British citizen . Why is the American media hiding so many information away from the public.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 7:13 pm ET

@ckelly, The Muslim community is the typical wall of silence over this latest disturbing outrage upon the American and Western People on-board that international flight via their faithful Muslim butt-bomber.

These security measures should have long before been put in place:

Everyone with a Muslim name should be forced to undergo extensive fully body scans, photographed, fingerprinted and have extensive security screening as to their real intentions.

The Muslim butt-bomber had a one-way ticket and no job. He had Muslim bomber written all over him that any competent screener could have pried out of him.

(If their fingerprints are different from the person's registered name, they have a new suspect safely in custody).

They should have their personal electronic devices and carry on luggage separated from them until after their flight is over.

(The Muslim butt-bomber among several other Muslim bombers have mixed their explosives and put their weapons together in the planes bathrooms using their carry on luggage and contacting their Muslim handlers via text messaging, remove those ability's).

Well over 95% of all Americans are non-Muslims and will never become Muslims and yet well over 95% of all of the new Security measures serve to screw them over, remove their personal privacy's and freedoms as individuals. It seems entirely relevant for Americans and Western Nation residents to question what appears to be a mass loss of individual rights and freedoms.


Gerald Jolly   December 27th, 2009 7:15 pm ET

Why is everybody so surprised that the would be bomber is a Nigerian.

Nigeria is reputed to be 82% Muslim Islamic


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 7:31 pm ET

Despite repeated lawsuit threats by American Muslim organizations, American and Western travelers should report any Muslim that appears to be engaged in suspicious behavior in the Airports, Subways, Railroads and Airlines.

Report them to security guards, security screeners and remember the names of the security persons you spoke with. If they ignore you and that Muslim commits a violent action, you can tell Media News that you told so and so and they didn't do anything.

American Muslims have repeatedly baited people to turn them into Airport security for suspicious behavior so they could sue them. So what, turn them in if they appear to be performing any suspicious behavior, your life might depend on your observations.


Gerald Jolly   December 27th, 2009 7:36 pm ET

Continuation of the above blog.

The alleged trrorist's parents say that they are very surprised by their son's behavior.

A typical Nigerian does not consider lying to a white christian person as being a bad thing to do.

More than $ 1 billion dollars is fleeced from the unwarry morons that buy into the scams that originate from Nigeria every year.

There is a plane that departs from Lagos Nigeria every week with $10 million U.S, dollars aboard destined for the Al-Queda movement world wide.

Every thirsty for oil nation in the world spend billions annually for Nigerias oil.

The U.S. and China are Nigerias biggest customers and both protect the most corrupt government on the planet knowing full well that the dollars they spend in Nigeria do absolutely nothing for the poor and starving average Nigerian.

The rich and affluent still engage in their ancient practice of eating human flesh, usually at the cost of the life of a young boy or girl, lured by the promise of wealth to their family.

White visitors and tourist that are lost and never found in Nigeria are reputed to have met that same fate.

There is a perfectly good and real reason why Nigeria is colored brown on the map of the world.

And the reason it's that color because it is considered the A-HOLE of the world.


Dodie   December 27th, 2009 7:39 pm ET

I do not know if we can ever create a security system that could protect airliners 100% of the time. The good news is, I have personally seen a TWA flight land in Greece with a large hole blown out the side of the aircraft! Unfortunately it sucked out 7 people many burned with the initial explosion; but, the aircraft did land. During a 3+ year span of time, 4 jetliners had bombs exploded inside the aircraft and only one crashed.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 7:41 pm ET

Another Nigerian caused a fuss on a Detroit bound flight today, no report yet if that man was Muslim or not. I would guess that he was. Likely he was angry his fellow Nigerian Muslim butt-bomber failed his mission miserably.


Dodie   December 27th, 2009 7:43 pm ET

@ ckelly

I am happy to hear of your security in Vancouver; however, that does NOT protect you for incoming flights from other countries!


joess   December 27th, 2009 8:03 pm ET

Where are the home land security officials ?? They are being paid big bucks, to assess, evaluate, and take corrective actions when information is provided to them (re: the suspicions of the suspects father who presented info to the US embassy in Nigeria regarding his extremist activities) this resulted in his name being placed on a low priority list. But a little old lady from Tupeca Kansas will be given a thorough pat down and probably strip searched. Wake up people, the anthem of the terrorist is try and try again until you succeed. These people will never give up in their pusuit to destroy Americans.


IKHAN   December 27th, 2009 8:12 pm ET

a lot of hate filled e-mails we are seeing today on your blog.
Perhaps some writers like Mr.A.Smith are not very familiar with the teachings of Islam which is a continuation of teachings of Prophet Ibrahim(peace be upon him), Moses, David Solomon, Jesus through holy Testaments like the Torah & Bible, culminating in the Koran & Prophet Mohammad (peace be upon all of them). The source of these three religions is one God & His message delivered to mankind thru Prophets.
Islam like the two other major religions Judaism & Christianity teaches one to be a good human being and also spells out a mode of good conduct for ourselves & towards others in our daily lives.
The need of the day is to thwart all efforts by the masters of these terrorists to spread their message of hatred. We Americans regardless of our faith, should come together to combat this menace.
Remember they are targeting Muslims & non-Muslims alike. Muslims are dying at their hands everyday. Just follow the news
Remember they are not just targetting non-Muslims but all who


Dodie   December 27th, 2009 8:22 pm ET

@ Ikhan

It is my understanding that an Egyptian man, Sayyid Qutb's writings was the foundation for Al Qaeda and other radical Islamic movements and is a movement separate from the Koran; however, under the guise of Muslim.


Gerald Jolly   December 27th, 2009 8:49 pm ET

Althought not widely known "CANNIBALISM" is practiced at an alarming rate in Nigeria.

There are still many tribal areas in Nigeria where the head of the community is still considered a KING, and as such he holds all the power over his subjects.

As most of the residents of these small villages are eliterate, it is very hard to believe that they have the ability to read anything or understand what the writings in the QURAN actually mean.

So anyone speaking of what the writings in the QURAN mean, actually falls on deaf ears where most Nigerians are concerned.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 9:00 pm ET

Good human beings do not murder one another, despite what a Koran, Bible, Thumper, Ayatollah, Cleric, Pope, Bishop, Cardinal, Minister, Mullah, Rabbi, Imman states, dictates or commands you to do.

Any religion that teaches that is OK is evil in the guise of a religion.

Any religion that teaches the Creator instructs their faithful to murder one another is evil in the guise of a religion.


Dodie   December 27th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

@ Gerald, you are correct. Illiterate individuals rely on others' teachings and ultimately their point of view.

@ A. Smith, I also agree, You would hope that these individuals would not resort to murder regardless of who is preaching to them.

Qutb's concept of jahiliyya "pagan ignorance” was also deeply influenced by his unpleasant experience living in the United States from 1948 until 1951. He had been sent to the U.S. to study American educational institutions. Qutb was deeply offended by the racism in which he personally experienced in the US.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

It is historically very easy to see how Mohammad very quickly raised his original army of bandits and cut-throats so he could return to his home village that showed him the mercy and compassion of banishing him rather than killing him, so that Mohammad could slaughter every one in that village.

Mohammad told the cut-throats and bandits that routinely attacked, slaughtered, and enslaved the caravans traveling thru the middle east what they did was not a crime nor wrong in the eyes of 'Allah' as long as they gave Mohammad the best 1/3 of their slaves and loot.

Mohammad went on to tell the assembled army of cut-throats and bandits that 'Allah' would reward them in heaven for their attacks, slaughter and enslavement of non-Muslims. The cut-throats and bandits knew they would be murdered by well armed caravans sooner or later however Mohammad guaranteed they would be rewarded greatly in heaven by 'Allah' so they predictability Signed On.

The Muslim Religion is born of a ancient Pirate Code, you are ok to murder, enslave and slaughter as long as you give 1/3 of the best loot and slaves to the ruling Ayatollah, Cleric, Mullah in that district.


Dodie   December 27th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Good Evening Larry King, CNN staff. Thank you for the up to date information.

I keep getting the feeling that we, the US, are just pawns in a ‘Chess Game’. An old saying is… “Know thy enemy”! So I ask myself… If I was Bin Laden, what would I need to do in order to gain world Jihad.

1. Unite all Muslims
2. Break large opponent countries such as the US and ones in Europe.

Question: How would I achieve # 1. Stir up the hornet’s nest (the US) until all Muslims world wide become fearful and threatened for their safety due to their race and belief in the Quran. Thus, ultimately joining Al Qaeda for their safety. Remember Bin Laden and Sayyid Qutb are only too aware of the US racists issues.

How would I achieve # 2. Knowing the US reacts strongly to any potential threat, continue to periodically blow up a jetliner, building, Time Square in NY during New Years Eve, etc. Stimulating the US to continue spending billions to trillions of dollars with the end result being collapse and bankruptcy! (the strike and retreat scenario)

I am not saying we should stop increasing security, I am just looking at a possible hypothesis!


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

Children born into the Muslim religion are literally enslaved into that religion. Ignorant people around the world only find out after joining the Muslim religion it is a death penality if they leave the Muslim religion and convert to another Religion!

Women have only 1/3 the worth of Muslim men in the Muslim religion, that certainly seem grossly sexist doesn't it?


jack   December 27th, 2009 10:31 pm ET

Increased security will be passed on to consumers,either through the airlines or some new tax. After the initial hubbub dies down, I do not think this incident will make much difference in how security is handled. Maybe a closer look underneath clothing, and a resorting of watch lists will be called for. These are two measures that could be undertaken without large cost increases, perhaps.


jack   December 27th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

Putting an air marshall aboard each flight would be very expensive. More sophisticated screening devices and more certified training are probably going to take place. Perhaps giving discounted tickets to certified officers who can be armed on international flights would be an inexpensive way to increase security. Vigilant and able pasengers were enough to subdue this criminal, but such people cannot always be counted on to be there or take action.


Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia   December 27th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

Woke up this mrning and happy to find that many like Mike and Gar understands what Islam stands for.
It"s not a blanket coverage that all Muslims are terrorists and Christian are our enemies.
Dear A Smith and the unenligthened few.
Carrying a Muslim name does not mean one is a Muslim.
There are Palestinian Christians and Lebanese Christians who have islamic-sounding names..
In Indonesia for example, Chrstians, Buddhists, atheists and others are compulsory to have Indon names which sounded Muslim.
Only in my country are other races like Chinese, Indians and Eurasians are aloowed to retain their ethnic names.
There are Americans who are married to our family. They still retain their Adam Smith name for example with the Abdullah name at the end. (Abdullah is the father of prophet Mohamed)..
i have an in-law by the name of Andrew Doyle Abdullah, Sebastiam D'Cunha and a host of other nationalities.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 27th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

According to Kurt Haskell, an attorney with the Haskell Law Firm in Taylor, Michigan, “He and his wife were sitting on the ground near their boarding gate in Amsterdam, which is when they saw Mutallab approach the gate with an unidentified man.”

Mutallab was a poorly dressed, young looking individual, but he was accompanied by a man in an expensive suit, Haskell told MLive.com."

CNN Is there any video surveillance from Amsterdam Airport made available to the public to confirm this?


Jonathan   December 27th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

Larry, it is better to Raise your child in a rightful way so that when he or she grow up he will not depart from it. The said Nigeria Banker/chairman reported to The US Embassy in Nigeria About his sons radical behavior..great! ...So what.?.. but how did he raise this child? to love or to hate none Muslim the Infidels. I bet you this child has no respect to other religion especially Christian... which is the life style of Northern Muslim in Nigeria. In Nigeria, they teach hate and intolerance to their children. But now his father is being declared hero by some news media.. because he reported..They should do better and teach their children to tolerate Christian which is the reason this young terrorist quickly joined the fanatics to kill those he hated from child hood and from home. I am a Nigeria I know better that he is not a Hero of any kind. but he should learn to teach their children and those Muslim around him a better lesson when they are young. and this is applicable to Muslim Leader and mosque around the world that claim to be a good Muslim.


Dodie   December 27th, 2009 11:01 pm ET

Oh dear. Underpanty checks??? you might find more than you bargained for!


Gerald Jolly   December 27th, 2009 11:07 pm ET

Al-Queda is winning the war of terrorism.

Our country is on the verge of becoming bankrupt because of the funding that is allocated to fund the war on terrorism.

Literally billions of dollars are spent monthly to fight terrorism around the world, and we are funding those who wish to destroy us and our way of life.

Consider that nearly a trillion dollars is spent on foriegn oil annually and that oil comes predomanently from Arab countries that have only one faith "ISLAM" and the zealots of that faith wish us nothing but death.

How long can we sustain the continuance of draining our resorces to defend Islamic countries that dont want us there anyway.

Our economy is in shambles, our people are out of work, thereby they are unable to contribute to our tax base.

We are a nation that is far to trusting of the nations that want us to fail, both militarily and financially, with the end result that they can hide in their caves from our fire power until such time that we will not have the funding to sustain that same fire power.

The easiest way to defeat an enemy is to cut of his source of finances, thereby rendering him sterile.

We are atempting to build a so-called democratic nation in Afghanistan, at an alarming cost of billions monthly and the power people in Afghanistan are sitting back as our young people are dying for them and getting filthy rich while using American tax dollars to fatten up their coffers.

A very smart man once told me that "A FOOL AND HIS MONEY ARE SOON PARTED" that same man told me that if I could find a real honest person in Nigeria or most Islamic countries and States in the world, I would be the first to do so.

Just imagine, if even as little as one tenth of the money that is spent to fight these needless wars on terrorism, was spent in the protection devices and manpower required to keep us safe in our own country, we would not need to be in those countries and our young people could be in their own country protecting us and our way of life.

Imagine, a half a million well trained military personnel guarding our borders, our air transportation system, our places of high tech development.

I can assure you that Osama Bin Laden and his terror group would never succeed in his goal to destroy our country.

"JUST IMAGINE"


Kenneth A.   December 27th, 2009 11:10 pm ET

Facts: There is no current way to detect plastic explosives hidden on the body other than by a hands on body search, full body scan, or by sniffing dogs. There may be no way to detect such explosives hidden within body cavities, especially in women, without an invasive search.

Opinion: Probably the most effective method is to do hard profiling of passengers along with additional on site evaluation of behavior and body language. This will mean close attention to the ticket purchase method and history and, unfortunately will result in some prejudicial selection of members of groups most likely to be responsible for terror. It is a probability game. It depends upon what our priorities are.

Tradeoffs: Loss of privacy and some loss of freedom. Maybe we'll decide that susceptibility to terror is the price of freedom, just as we don't want to live in a garrison state to be free from all outside attacks. As the old saying goes, we can't have our cake and eat it, too.


Jonathan   December 27th, 2009 11:24 pm ET

how did this man know about his sons change in behavior? why did he inform only US embassy. or did he know that his son has a plan to attack US Airliner?


Dodie   December 27th, 2009 11:27 pm ET

@ Gerald Jolly

Very well Stated!


IKHAN   December 27th, 2009 11:35 pm ET

@A.Smith

again that touch of knowledge acquired from misguided soul.The very thing we have to fight, preachers & self proclaimed know alls spewing hatred against faiths other than their own.
Mohammed's followers were not " a band of cut throats" they were poor & the oppressed, persecuted by the elites of the society just like at the time of Jesus. Just like Jesus, Mohammed (peace be upon them) with his followers was driven out of Mecca & escaped death by those hunting him by hiding in a cave.
When he returned to Mecca in triumph & those who had tortured & persecuted him hid in their houses fearing for their lives, his first proclamation was " no one is to raise a hand against the old & the sick, women & children, teachers & farmers & all those who come to you in peace & do not raise their arms against you"
Exactly the code of conduct of war among today's civilized nations ( which is seldom followed).
Come out with a message of peace & harmony which we need here & don't play into the hands of those who want to see this country torn apart by hate.
God Bless America


t12   December 27th, 2009 11:58 pm ET

Who cares what kind of security measures we have to go through. If it means being safe then I don't see why anyone wouldn't put up with it. If i get delayed 3 hours because of extensive security measures, I'd rather deal with that and be safe. I think we need to take every measure necessary to ensure safety on airplanes. Full body scans are absolutely necessary and should be required rather than voluntary. Obviously we need them if people like this guy are still getting through security with explosives.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 28th, 2009 12:27 am ET

@ IKHAN, you must be reading some sanitized Saudi history version of your 'prophet' and his 7 year old wife cousin. Your prophet poisoned so many oasis water supply's on his war upon all 'pagan' Arabs that history cannot count how many innocent people died from that alone. Only a true coward poisons an oasis in a desert.

News filtering back from the hospital and jail house where the faithful Muslim butt-bomber was treated and being held is that the fire completely burned off his 'manhood', leaving the surgeons no choice but to casterate him.

Maybe after a few years of further existence, that faithful Nigerian Muslim butt-bomber will begin realizing he was lied to in regards to his Muslim rewards.

It seems entirely fitting that the Creator rewarded that Muslim by castration and locking him into a federal prison for the rest of his life where the federal prisoners will treat him like a loving woman every night for the rest of his pathetic life.


Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia   December 28th, 2009 12:30 am ET

@Jonathan

As a parent in particular a mother, I symphatised with the family of the suspect.
It's a taint on the family name beng regarded as an international pariah.
It's unfair to blame on his uprbinging. The father being a bank chairman cannot be a hater. He's travelled the world and well-exposed to international mores.
Somewhere along the way due to many factors your chiild turns up to be a monster.
Are you to be penalised?
The fact that he reported his child to the embassy showed his concerns.
One of the recognizable feature of Islamic deviantst is sudden behavioeal changes like being a recluse and sporting robes,. beards and expounding theories which are not in the Quran.


Gerald Jolly   December 28th, 2009 12:43 am ET

@ IKHAN, I am assuming that you are of the Muslim faith, so perhaps you would be kind enough to explain to me why ALLAH would have 72 VIRGINS to reward MARTYRS that love and enjoy committing suicide on his behalf.

I have always been under the impression that in the KINGDOM of ALLAH women were not allowed, and the reason why they are so badly treated by their own husbands and sons while they exist on earth is because they are not considered important in the Muslim culture.

I also would like you to explain to me why it is considered O.K. for a father to kill his own daughter because she does not adhere to the phylosophy that she was not ever created to be an equal.
We also know that many muslim women have strapped on a bomb to their body and died as a Martyr in the name of ALLAH.
Where do they go if they will not be accepted in ALLAH'S KINGDOM. and what would they do with 72 virgins, or all the female Martyrs in fact Lesbians.
Do you think that the Nigerian really wanted to be a Martyr because he wanted a sexual experience, but now unfortunately for him he was going to have to become one of those virgins when he goes to prison??

IKHAN, these are very important questions and I'm sure that you will enlighten us with your expertise in these matters.


Checkpoint officer   December 28th, 2009 12:53 am ET

I'm fed up hearing about TSA being at fault. Since when does the USA TSA police Nigeria's airport? Denmarks? Yemen? C'mon! Enough! The Whole Body Imager is an optional screening method. If you refuse it you get a wanding and pat down. Try refusing screening processes in Isreal! The United States people are their own worst enemy! And the laws that empower them over a federal officer on a checkpoint is half the problem. We do have whole body imagers that use milimeter wave technology that is basically radio waves bounced off the body to produce an image of the body. But it's limited to Political correctness due to privacy issues. That's the fault of it's people demanding freedoms over security. There is nothing I'd like to do more than address all those attacking TSA and blaming officers being incompetent people, as well as the person that says, TSA officers need more training! I gotta laugh at that one. I unfortunately can not address it because I'm not allowed. But listening to some of the comments I have to sit back and just laugh. You people have no idea what you are talking about. The intelligence of some of the comments is dim at best. Although I do agree with the ones about Obama still off playing golf in Hawaii. That is a lack of responsibility. TSA does not train or have control over operations in foreign countries so we did nothing wrong. Nigeria however did. I suggest you don't board planes from nigeria. Hell, why would you go there anyway?


sanmi A   December 28th, 2009 1:59 am ET

I am a christian, yet I have met many muslims who are good people.Honest and humane .targeting every person that has a muslim name and subsequently victimising them for what has happened is the wrong way to go.

This will only push them to the wall and at that point terrorist groups will not belive their luck concerning new recruits.

Haven said this, I belive the answer to this problem lies greatly with the muslims.Their religion is suffering because they have allowed the misguided fanatism. It is their responsibility to stand for their faith and flush out the monsters.They should stop protecting this people and push them out so the world would knw whose a## to kick.


Gar   December 28th, 2009 6:41 am ET

To Checkpoint officer,

We the people are also fedup with the laziness of some of the TSA officers, as well as the rudness some of the exibit. Before TSA was put into service the agents were much politer, and much more helpful and not at all lazy as they are now. This is not across the board, but I remember one guy at LAX who was yelling at passengers and being extremely rude, did his colleagues stop him, no, because they probably feel the same way about whatever he was bouting off. But to us passengers, it just seems you think we are like your prisoners and some of your co-workers need to be repremanded. Again, not all, but some. Mostly you guys are doing a pretty decent job, its just the attitude that bothers me. Whoever is claiming that TSA is responsible for this is non-sense. You don't control Nigeria as you said. This incident has nothing to do with you guys.

I personally have no idea how much training you go through, but I can guess that it is quite a lot, but there is no need for rudeness of the officers. If you are ranked high enough, please bring it to the attention of your superiors. The incident I am talking about was for American Airlines last March. A young guy, no more than 30 I suspect, very rude.

This message is not to critize the TSA and I am not attacking you, but it has to work both ways.

Indeed you may be correct about the people being their own ememy, but you also have to admit the gov't is trying to take away some of our freedoms, security on the ground is one thing, but once in the air, now they want to limit when we can go to the bathroom and take the blankets and pillows away? This is nonsense. There is nothing anyone or any athority can do to competely prevent terrorism from happening if other counties do not do something about their own security systems and own corruption.

Even if we were to get on board naked, someone would find a way.

Personally for all us gun owners out there, I would love to be able to carry my firearm onboard, I think this would limit and deter more of the same garbage.

About the body scans, the problem is even these are not 100% fool proof, and people can still shove stuff in places that those machines cannot detect. I see it coming to that everyone will be stripped searched before being allowed onboard an airplane, but this is also non-sense.

Simple fact, if you have a criminal history, a pschyo, a druggie, a terrorist, a terrorist wanna be, etc, etc, etc, you should simple NEVER be allowed on a plain, and it won't matter where you are from, where you are going, what your religion is, etc. If you fit any of those, then sorry, no boarding, period, ever, done!

Idzan Ismail, I am glad you saw my post. I think educatino is the only way, and getting the media to stop making us hate each other, then we have succeeded a lot. I do agree though that the Islam faith has to try more to get those members who are radicles back on board the train. Christian organizations need to do the same about the cult culture in American. Some is being done I think, but more needs to be done still. Keep educating, it may sink in to some... That is all we can do.


BrotherBill   December 28th, 2009 7:57 am ET

Brother Jolly has the understanding. As in the computer world, the most successful "denial of service" attacks (intentional overloading of a Server or communication resource) comes from "Helpfull Hits" to PREVENT those occurances sent to thousands of readers. So we are being slowing bled to death by the very entity that we are fighting to keep ourself from bleeding to death. Like the Parasite that infects a Snail, with the intent to be eaten by a Bird, so the parasites' eggs can be fed by the contents of the Birds stomage, so is the parasite of "terrorism" effecting our ecomomy.
The President has it correct in limiting our current engagement and after pulling our Country out of those two Cesspools, then putting those resources into better Homeland defenses.
Interruption of normal open society is the goal of terrorist of every YELLOW stripe, education, better documentation and attention to detail are the keys.


guudboi   December 28th, 2009 8:48 am ET

I took the pain of reading all the comments above! some are objective views while some you will wonder if they are from human beings.

Whenever issues like this played out, I think there is need to focus attention on the person or group involved and also the motive behind such barbaric act!.

There are lapses all the way from the US Embsassy in Nigeria, and security guys at the Airports (Lagos and Armsterdam).

This guys had the best going for him compared to other kids in Nigeria. His father a respected banker in Nigeria, who at his own will went to report his son to the US embassy of the involvment of his son in some form of extremism. I think for a person of that statute to go all the way to report to officials at the embassy about his son's behavior calls for serious concern by the officials at the embassy most especially the FBI. I don't think they receive such a report very often.

If adequate effort was put in place I'm sure this guy will find it difficult getting on any plane to perpetrate this kind of evil!.

That he's a Nigerian is not be an issue, at least there are claims in several posts above that he has a British citizenship that is being downplayed by the media anyway.

I want to believe that this guy got in contact with Al-qeida outside Nigeria probably in London yemen or wherever due to prevalent of extremists in such places.

If you carry out a survey on Nigerian, you will confirm that hardly will you want to see a Nigerian who want to involve in sucide bombing or related stunts. Most especially people from the southern part of the country.

Bloggers like Gerald Jolly are distorting facts about Nigeria, and the Nigerian people, Nigerians are people like other people, created by God. Like every other nations of the world there used to be spots of bad eggs no doubt.

The case of this 'bomber' should be treated as it is and should not be used to castigate other well meaning Nigerians.


guudboi   December 28th, 2009 8:59 am ET

Third to the last paragraph of my comment should read:

If you carry out a survey on Nigerian, you will confirm that hardly will you see a Nigerian who want to involve in sucide bombing or related stunts. Most especially people from the southern part of the country.


Gerald Jolly   December 28th, 2009 1:55 pm ET

Hey! folks, why would the U.S. ever want to get out of the "BUSINESS" of making war??

The annual manufacturing and sales by the U.S. weapons industry (AIR POWER NOT INCLUDED) is $392 billion dollars and creates more than 32,000 jobs.

So, given those profitable numbers is'nt it good business to equate the death of 4 to 5 thousand young Americans as being a worthwhile trade off.

This is the logic used by the Pentagon whenever there is a discussion about budget cuts.

It's no secret that the weapons and arms industry traditionaly donate at least one billion dollars towards the re-election of those politicians that support the industry, and is'nt it a worthwhile cause to insure that no politicians child will be required to serve on a mission where the possibility of K.I.A. might occur.

Time to wake up folks, our children are put at risk for the sole purpose of insuring that the ARMS & WEAPONS Industry remains profitable.

TERRORISTS BE DAMNED.


ckelly   December 28th, 2009 2:22 pm ET

Everyday crazy people are intent on murdering someone. Mass killings at a women's gymnasium; texting train drivers; drunk drivers; mentally ill soldiers who lose it; serial killers; child abductors; disgruntled employees at the post office; sleeping pilots and co-pilots who over fly their destination; a ferry captain embarks on a lurid sexual tryst that sinks a ferry in Canada-killing people; chemicals being dumped into water supplies; nuclear plant meltdowns; people and who know's what else, smuggled on crates and ships; gang killings and cartel shootouts killing innocent children and by-standers on the streets; terrorists who every 100,000,000 flights try to smuggle a bomb on board.....


Dodie   December 28th, 2009 2:36 pm ET

@ Gar

What we don’t need is every idiot carrying a gun aboard the aircraft! That is just crazy.

On your list of criminals, drug addicts, you might as well add: anyone drunk as alcohol is also a drug, anyone with domestic violence, and anyone fighting in a bar brawl, anyone with a traffic infraction, anyone who ever hit another person, all the priests who molested children, anyone who had temper tantrums!!! Oh by the way, on any of the above, if the police or social services were called, even though you were NOT arrested, your name is added to the list in the DOJ or even a more complete program which I cannot discuss. Oh yes, you have no idea! Even if a neighboor mentions your name to social services or the police by telephone and you are not aware of it, your information still goes down into a data base that goes across all 50 states.


Dodie   December 28th, 2009 2:38 pm ET

@ ckelly

I do believe you have all the bases covered! :~)


IKHAN   December 28th, 2009 2:57 pm ET

@Gerald Jolly

thanks for your interest.
Nowhere in the Koran or in the sayings of Prophet Mohammed it is written that 72 virgins would be awarded to those who kill or are "martyred". In fact Koran says " a person who kills another is like the one who has killed all mankind and if a person spares a life that person is like one who has spared all mankind & on the day of judgement they will be judged accordingly". Murder in Islam is considered a cardinal sin.
At the time of advent of Islam in S.Arabia women were treated like dirt the new born females were buried alive by parents in shame. Islam abolished and gave equal rights to women. It is the ignorant & the misguided who oppress women.
As for fathers killing their daughters as I said before , it is a cardinal sin and unpardonable.
The questions you raise are legitimate concerns of all who are not familiar with the teachings of Islam. What you see happening is not what is taught in the Koran or by Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon all prophets). The self proclaimed preachers & mullahs spew nonsense in the name of religion, are ignorant, uneducated or deliberately pervert the true teachings for just the purpose of perpetrating violence to serve their own agenda.
Those misguided souls who trap bombs to themselves for "martyrdom" are condemned here & in the hereafter as per Islamic teachings. True faithfuls & scholars have forbidden & condemned these acts.
So you can imagine where these condemned souls would go after being blown to smithereens.
Remember these are a maniacal minority & I wouldn't even call them Muslims because they are massacring Muslim men.women & children everyday.
Go to a known & respected scholar of Islam which I am not to get detailed answers to your questions. I just wrote what the Koran says briefly.

Terrorists be damned, we say.


Dodie   December 28th, 2009 3:49 pm ET

@ IKHAN

Some years ago, I knew some wealthy people who came from Syria. They came to the US because the government changed and became extremist! They showed me many pictures of their mother and other women who worked for the Syrian government in the 1950s and dressed just like American women during those years. No head or face gear and a business dress suit. I was truly amazed when I saw those photographys. I had no idea women were regarded with respect until the 1960s when everything seemed to change.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 28th, 2009 3:57 pm ET

A US attorney at the Amsterdam Security Gate observed the Muslim butt-bomber accompanied by a well dressed man going past the gate.

Who was that other man, CIA, ISI, or his Muslim handler?

CNN, The American public deserves to see the security video of those men!


jack   December 28th, 2009 4:14 pm ET

Why is CNN showing the web site where they are celebrating the acomplishment(or lack of)of the would be bomber. A picture of him with a big smile on his stupid mug with a plane in background. If a ciitizen were to go to that evil website, they'd probably be put on some watch list and a file opened up on them for life. We don't need his website advertised, we will take your word for it ,that they exist. Why display the site, with the mentally challenged guy with a big smile across his mug? And the thought of holding him up as a hero.should, and I hope, does disgust most Muslims. He threw it all away for fanatic bs , not very bright. Virgins he will get =0...Jail time with a burning groin=lots. Would not be too bright to emulate him,. Please keep that pathetic site off TV, before other nitwits are attracted to it.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 28th, 2009 4:36 pm ET

I shall endeavor for the readers to relate a terrific Historical Irony for the readers to learn and consider.

Long ago the most popular deity in the Arabic Babylonian Empire was the Moon. Sometimes seen as a female Goddess, other times as a male deity. In a desert region it is easy to understand why the Moon and its cooling presence was seen as a beneficial sign.

Her followers numbered well into the Millions and spread so far and wide they even pressed right up to the very entrance of the Hebrew's main temple. The Hebrew Rabbi's were concerned by those followers influence and instructed their followers that following that deity would be a mistake.

Although for a armchair theologian it would appear the Rabbi's were simply making a stand, much like a Walmart CEO would make against their employees shopping at Kmart stores. However, the Rabbi's knew their blood pact with the Creator protected them and if that was diluted, they risked annihilation from their enemy's.

The Rabbi's used the word for error or mistake in instructing their faithful to follow that Babylonian Deity whose name is SIN. Later day Christians completely misunderstood how and where that word originates in their theology.

In those days among the Babylonian Empire, Hebrew clans intermarried with the Arabic family's and it was common to find harmony among the religious beliefs of the Arabic and Hebrew religious followers. This changed when Muhammad and his army of cut throats and bandits slaughtered Arabs that refused to convert to the Muslim religion and destroyed all other deity's, temples, and religious icons.

The Muslim religion teaches the previous religious polytheistic harmony where Arabs and Hebrew religions lived peacefully side by side and also within intermixed family's as the 'Dark or Black' period and tirelessly work to destroy all history and artifacts of that period.

It is terribly ironic that the 'pagan' deity whose name is SIN and whom Muhammad fought to entirely remove is found on many Islamic flags in the form of her lunar symbol. It seems the Babylonian Lunar Goddess whose name is SIN got the last laugh!


jack   December 28th, 2009 4:53 pm ET

To me fanaticism in any religion indicates a deep fear that they may be wrong. If they were really convinced, they would not need to try to push their faith down other's throats. And, they would certainly not have to resort to indiscriminate violence in an attempt to further their belief system. In fact , such wild-eyed fanaticism tends to turn most rational people off. Stick to the more peaceful teachings of your faith. The Sufis, for instance, seem to have a spiritual, happy thing going on.


anthony   December 28th, 2009 5:20 pm ET

Christianity also forced conversion of the slaves during the Transatlantic slave trade. The male slaves were killed in front of the females and children. Christianity is no better than Islam.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 28th, 2009 5:43 pm ET

Why was the Lockerbie Muslim bomber welcomed back in Libya as a hero?

Because what he did is ordered in the Koran and is not regarded as a crime in Islamic Ruled countrys.

America should get a clue as to true Muslim intentions.

And after the brave Dutch passenger helped disarm the Muslim butt-bomber, what did Homeland Security do?

It publicly gave the man's full name and home address.

Muslims in the Dutch nations will likely seek to murder that man during the next 10 years. Some response huh?


IKHAN   December 28th, 2009 5:53 pm ET

@A.Smith, @ Dody

it would be well worth your time & also for other questioning minds to read the following great western writers & thinkers writing about Prophet Mohammad (P.B.U.H) & Islam:
Michael H.Hart, 1978
James A. Michener American, American 1955
LaMartine, French 1854
George Bernard Shaw, Brit.
Edward Gibbon & Simon Ockley, Brit. 1870
Bosworth Smith, Brit 1874
Mahatma Gandhi, Indian.
They are just some of the many.
I did not quote from some sanitized Saudi version of Prophet Mohammad's life.
May we all live in peace. I conclude


jack   December 28th, 2009 6:46 pm ET

@anthony...that is why I said "any religion," I agree, there are crazy people in all religions. Indiscriminate violence is wrong , no matter what religious excuse people use.


essyspecial   December 28th, 2009 7:10 pm ET

i cried when i saw that it was a Nigerian.O my God the rich kids in Nigeria are just spoiling our opportunities.Apart from being known as spammers,Nigerians will also be known as terrorists.
I just want people to note that all Nigerians are not bad people.The country is so corrupt that in Nigerian airports,they only care about collecting bribes.I just hope that other innocent people would not suffer cos of this rich kids wickedness.


Dodie   December 28th, 2009 7:22 pm ET

@ anthony

here, here to what you just said! Thank You

The Christians wiped out 45% of my ancestors! I am half Miwok!


jack   December 28th, 2009 8:11 pm ET

You're just left with yourself all the time , no matter what you do anyway. You've got to get down to your own God in your own temple. It's all down to you, mate. – John Lennon


A. Smith, Oregon   December 28th, 2009 8:36 pm ET

More Muslim vs Muslim murder and mayhem in today Iran, Shirin Ebadi the Iranian Nobel laureate peace prize winner's sister has been kidnapped.

Elsewhere today, a Muslim suicide bomber blew up a Shi'ite Muslim procession in Pakistan's commercial capital Karachi who were worshiping the Muslim celebration of Ashoura killing 30 Muslims despite a heavy security force presence.

And we still hear that old Muslim chestnut phrase, 'we come in peace', 'we are peaceful'. huh?


jack   December 28th, 2009 8:38 pm ET

Organized religions are useful for those who need to be told what to do and how to think. True spirituality does not need to be validated by how many people say they believe something. Lots of kids believe in Santa Claus, that doesn't make the belief valid, does it?


jack   December 28th, 2009 8:46 pm ET

Many Muslims and non Muslims in Iran , who were once fervent for the Islamic revolution which overthrew the Shah, now wish for the good old secular days, when religious fanatics didn't control their lives. We should respect the people in Iran , who want to restore freedom. They are fine, idealistic people, who will someday be great allies again. When a regime has to resort to such gross violence to supress freedom, they have already lost their greatest asset, the people's trust.


Gerald Jolly   December 28th, 2009 11:37 pm ET

Is it possible that the would be bomber was just trying to emmulate the PROPHET MOHAMMED??

It is a well known fact that Mohammed was a HOMOSEXUAL and perhaps this is the reason why Muslim Men so detest women.

I think that if one looks at Osama Bin Laden and many of his close male advisors and the fact that they sleep together and there are no women present in their encampments, is it possible that the entire Al-Queda movement is nothing more than a group of homosexual men wishing to follow the teachings of Mohammed??


A. Smith, Oregon   December 29th, 2009 12:57 am ET

Erica Hill on AC360 interviewed Kurt Haskell a passenger on the attempted bombed flight who described what sounds like a Pakistani ISI agent accompanying the Nigerian Muslim butt-bomber thru the Amsterdam Security gate.

Kurt Haskell and his wife noticed the 'Indian' looking man talked for the Muslim butt-bomber and stated the Nigerian didn't have a passport! Whereupon Kurt Haskell relates the trio (Muslim butt-bomber, his Muslim handler and the security screener) disappeared to 'talk' to the screeners supervisor.

Who was this well dressed middle aged Indian appearing man? A CIA Agent, Pakistani ISI Agent or some well heeled Muslim handler?

Why isn't the American public being allowed to see photos of that man? What are they hiding?


jim hutchinson   December 29th, 2009 1:27 am ET

My father brought the Marines in at Guadcanal and later fought in Korea. I spent 16 months in Vietnam and currently have two nephews in Afghanistan; war means that at its extrfeme you kill people and God forbid embarrass people in security lines. Please don't call this a war on terrorism unless, Ms. Nepoilitano you are at least prepared to embarrass people under 70 years old.


ckelly   December 29th, 2009 4:27 am ET

Terrorism in its many forms around the world is usually related to ideology (sometimes inherent in religion) but not necessarly religion; poverty, desparation and obvious mental illness.

Making us all slaves to "enhanced and invasive security" at the airport will not make the world or the USA a safer place or improve quality of life or overall safety of citizens. People are killed by maniacal psychopaths everyday.

@Dodie-Mitakuye Oyasin! "We are all related"

My mothers family is Irish and my father's father was from Ireland and his mother (my grandmother) was Mohawk, from Six Nations. In ALL Family lines, the British-not the church- killed and tortured my ancestors-it had nothing to do with Christianity-but everything to do with power, lust for power, money , status and stealing resources, land and inflicting atrocities. The Church was complicit in Canada but these leaders were not truly Christian. These people hid behind a title and a sense of entitlement.


ckelly   December 29th, 2009 4:37 am ET

Incidently, my very best friend (for many years) is English.


Gar   December 29th, 2009 9:23 am ET

@ Dodie

I think everyone of those on your list should be forbidden to fly, yes.


Tony   December 29th, 2009 11:31 am ET

CNN and other media appear to be misreporting the Nigerian knickerbomber story.
The Mutallab family issued a press release dated 12/28/09 in which they explained the alleged reports made by the knickerbomber's father to the US Embassy in Nigeria. Surprisingly, contrary to media accounts, the father may not have reported that his son was a terrorist, had terrorist affiliations, or was even harboring extreme religious beliefs! It appears that he simply reported that his son was missing and sought help to find him and bring him home.
Hereunder, please read full press statement as published by "This Day Newspaper" in Nigeria.

"THISDAY
BREAKING NEWS: Mutallab Family Issues Statement
12.28.2009

Our family, like the rest of the world, were woken up in the early hours of Saturday, 26th December, 2009 to the news of an attempt to blow up a plane by a young Nigerian man, who was later identified as Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab. Umar Farouk AbdulMutallab is the son of Alhaji (Dr.) Umaru AbdulMutallab, the head of this Family.

Prior to this incident, his father, having become concerned about his disappearance and stoppage of communication while schooling abroad, reported the matter to the Nigerian security agencies about two months ago, and to some foreign security agencies about a month and a half ago, then sought their assistance to find and return him home.

We provided them with all the information required of us to enable them do this. We were hopeful that they would find and return him home. It was while we were waiting for the outcome of their investigation that we arose to the shocking news of that day.

The disappearance and cessation of communication which got his mother and father concerned to report to the security agencies are completely out of character and a very recent development, as before then, from very early childhood, Farouk, to the best of parental monitoring, had never shown any attitude, conduct or association that would give concern. As soon as concern arose, very recently, his parents, reported it and sought help.

The family will continue to fully cooperate with local and international security agencies towards the investigation of this matter, while we await results of the full investigation.

We, along with the whole world, are thankful to Al-Mighty God that there were no lives lost in the incident. May God continue to protect us all, amen.

Finally, as the matter is being investigated by the various agencies, and has already been mentioned in a US court, the family requests that the press should regard this as the only statement it will make for now.

Thank you.
Signed

The Mutallab Family
Abuja,
Nigeria"


Dodie   December 29th, 2009 2:23 pm ET

@ ckelly

For the California Native, it was a combination of Church and state! In 1769, Carlos III, the king of Spain, sent Junipero Serra, a Franciscan priest, and Gaspar de Portola, a military commander, to lead an expedition to establish missions in what is now California. The missions were established for both religious and political reasons. The missionary plan was to teach the Native peoples how to be "civilized” by adopting the religion of Christianity.

In the 40 years after the arrival of Junipero Serra and Gaspar de Portola, an estimated 50,000 Native Americans in California died as a result of the Spanish intrusion. The Native Americans caught various European diseases such as measles, cholera, mumps, influenza, and venereal disease, which accounted for 60% of the deaths at the missions. They also died from malnutrition and some by violent means.

Elders of my tribe often talk about cruelty by the Missionaries. The implication was not just Christians, but all religions have a very dark side. And yes, many people kill not in the name of a specific religion but out of greed, jealousy or for whatever reason.


ckelly   December 29th, 2009 3:19 pm ET

@Dodie

While in Canada,

The British government brought blankets to many of the first nations tribes contaminated with small pox as gifts. The warriors took the blankets back to their tribes-killing millions of Indians. Canada is such a big, mountainous, cold country -there was no other way for Britain to take control.

It had nothing to do with religion in Canada and everything to do with the King-

France, was in Canada first and brought French settlers. The French did not do these atrocities to the Indians (a Catholic country in the 15th century)- Although they brought priests. The French had no interest in Imperial take over. They made agreements and exchanges for resources (not land) and inter-married with the first nations women. The Metis tribes are offshoots of these liaisons. My partner is Metis.

It was during the French-Indian alliance in The Seven Year War, that Britain (Lord Jeffery) used germ warfare against the First Nations People-the small pox outbreak did more damage than all the mumps, syphillus, measels, flus, etc combined.

The Imperialists seemed to have a three prong approach in the Americas and around the world:

-First, conquer the land using the military and what ever atrocities would kill off as many aboriginals as possible; Secondly divide tribes and build faulty alliances with partnering tribes to kill off other invaders and fellow native Indians;

Renig on the promises of money, land distribution and status and provide alcohol and other soul damaging substances to destroy the character of the native peoples remaining;

and finally, provide religion and the clergy to help, reform and civilize the remaining people..

People in power whether it is through title, or religious designation have the capacity to choose. People who choose to use their power in tyrannical, murderous and destructive ways are psychopaths. If we remove religion from the equation, we as a secular society are forced to look at our own national characters more closely and see the deeper issues behind war, murder, racism and atrocities against our fellow human beings.

The Al quada terrorist "butt bomber" is a sick, pathetic young man, searching for meaning, status and a way of belonging to a group. In this case a terrorist group. His act was evil. Others join these groups for similar reasons and as a deluded way of freeing themselves from poverty and desperation. They are mentally ill. However, we have to ask ourselves about our own sick, imperialistic history and current tendencies and clean up our own misuse of power-in my opinion.

Adding more security at the airports and making us slaves to it-will not make our world a safer place. Where there is a will for terrorist psychopaths to harm innocent people there will always be a way.


A. Smith, Oregon   December 29th, 2009 3:33 pm ET

IF that man did not have a passport, the ONLY WAY he got on that plane was by a US Diplomat or a US Governmental Agent pushing him past the Amsterdam security staff and onto that plane. Not even a flight steward would allow anyone on a international flight without a passport.

It is impossible for the Nigerian citizen by himself to talk himself or get his self onto a international flight bound to America without a passport. This man appears to be a patsy that was used by Diplomatic Agents to screw the American citizens and public.

Where are the Amsterdam security gate photos of the well dressed man of Indian decent that talked for the bomber and pushed the bomber past all of Amsterdam's heavy security staff even thou it appears the bomber didn't even have a passport?


ckelly   December 29th, 2009 3:52 pm ET

@A Smith-an interesting question and position.

The multi-corporations responsible for the manufactured "War machine" are trying to control the world and keeping us frightened and panic stricken-forcing us to give up our personal freedoms and national sovereignty in favor of a global model-guarenteeing "security" for all of us.

Loss of personal freedom, control and eventually national identity. The war mongering, genocidal psychopaths are always at work-manipulating covertly and providing arms for both sides- creating crisis. Then they provide the solution"high tech and state of the art technology" breaking down our resistance to personal intrusiveness-aren't we lucky?


ckelly   December 29th, 2009 4:04 pm ET

A package found in the bathroom at the Milan airport was just detonated by the Italian bomb squad.... No one was hurt. And so it continues...


ckelly   December 29th, 2009 4:06 pm ET

Strike that last comment-no explosives found in the package by the bomb squad-it had an antenna sticking out of the package.


Gerald Jolly   December 30th, 2009 12:08 am ET

ckelly, what do you know about Canadian History???

The british brought tainted blankets to the first nation tribes that were infected with small pox thereby thousand died??

Please tell me what history book did you find that tid-bit of historical information in.

Do you realize that the bringer of those blankets would have been infected as well.

Do you know that at the time period you are referring too, that there is absolutely no mention of a small pox epidemic.

OHHHH! what a "FIGMENT" of an imagination can do.

GEEEEEZZZZZ!


jack   December 30th, 2009 1:20 am ET

The more you read about this Nigerian would- be bomber, the more you get a sense he was bright , but grew up rich, and unlike most of his fellow countrymen, who are scrambling to make a bare living, he was on a search . Since he was apparently a devout young man, he somehow got the false notion that to kill innocent people was a devout thing to do, So he is not really a simple dummy, but was influenced by an evil element that used him as a tool for their ends. Now he must pay the price. Instead of a bright future, which someone of his intelligence and financial worth might have expected, he will spend long years behind bars. Sounds like he is talking plenty ,now. But, like they surmise, his knowledge is probably of a low level as far as the plans of his handlers are concerned. We can be glad he was only a partially useful tool for his masters, and that no lives were lost. In fact, through the exercise of more vigilance and a shortening of the no fly list, he may help prevent some other potential tragedy. Hope this serves as a lesson to other people who are indoctrinated by false teachers who preach violence. Do not listen to them. Walk away, and report their evil plans.


Dodie   December 30th, 2009 5:45 am ET

@ K3N

You are absolutely correct! It was a CIA covert operative. All you have to do is follow the $$ trail and it is obvious! ~sigh~


Gerald Jolly   December 30th, 2009 7:34 pm ET

GEEEEEEEEZ! ckelly, you really believe that tripe you are spewing Hu!

Think of what you are eluding to.

Smallpox laced blankets??

The technology of isolating and culturing almost any viral desease was not even known at the time you are suggesting.

You have gone from the time Jacques Cartier arrived in Canada in 1541 to the 1800's, the French Indian seven year war, in 1763, and you're going to try and convince the readers of this blog that during all that period of time, the french, the english and God knows who else knew how ro create, culture and infect blankets with a desease that no one had a cure for.

Once again LUDICROUS statements are made by people that
fantasize reality with imagination.


ckelly   December 30th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

The point is simple. Evil men/oligarchs with a lust for power and self interest only, are capable of great destruction and atrocities irregardless of race, creed or origin.


Gerald Jolly   December 30th, 2009 11:16 pm ET

ckelly, my sincere apology, it seams that you have done your homework on this matter.

My reason for questioning the voracity of your comment to Dodie, was that I could not believe that anyone had the know how or ability to produce and deliver a smallpox virus during that period in our history.

I will tell you that I am not a great sympathiser of what the English did in North America, and thank God their class system is not an issue here in North America, but in a small way it still exists in Great Britain.


Dodie   December 31st, 2009 1:33 am ET

@ Ckelly You are making reference to Canada regarding the King, NOT California. The Missionaries were just as deceitful; maybe not quite as brutal. Natives lost their freedoms and rights under Missionary law! They were beaten if they spoke their native language. They were not allowed to leave the Missionary. The Missionaries committed a cultural genocide of California Natives.

Tinker, George – Missionary conquest, the Gospel and Genocide (Fortress Press) 1993 Tinker makes it clear and is well supported thesis that the Christian Missionaries were guilty in the destruction of Indian culture because they labeled the Native people as heathen, savage, primitive and therefore in need of discipline and conversion to Christianity. The missionaries were involved in the genocidal atrocities by their participation in US politics and government’s military campaigns for the extermination of Native American languages, cultures and religious traditions. (Cultural genocide) To many Native Americans, this time was a Holocaust that robbed them of their tribal tongues and traditions and replaced them with empty promises of a god of love who punished with a sharp whip


Dodie   December 31st, 2009 1:40 am ET

@ Gerald Jolly

Yes, Ckelly is correct. The British and Spanish gave Smallpox laced blankets to the Natives. This is the first incidence of biological warfare in the Americas. We were being hammered at all levels. Our lives, our culture and traditions. We were experiencing extermination at every level.

The cultural genocide tears at the fabric that holds that culture in harmony. Silence, repression, and equivocate are used knowingly to conceal truth by a society so that people do not have to look at unpleasant facts of life. This is true of every culture and race on our planet. Cultural genocide thrives in this atmosphere. The abuse to a culture or target population is perpetuated; generation after generation only ending when society is forced to see the abuse in such a way there can be no denial, no excuses, and no rationalization!


Dodie   December 31st, 2009 1:42 am ET

@ Gerald Jolly

Thank you for your kindness and support!


Gerald Jolly   December 31st, 2009 9:53 am ET

Dodie/ckelly.

The problem I am having with ckelly's post is that the syringe and needle was not invented until 1853, by two medical doctors named Gabriel Pravaz a French Surgeon and Dr. Alexander Wood a Scottish physician, and it's first use was for the delivery of morphine for people in great pain.

This information is something I remembered reading several years ago and is in fact a extract from a writing by Major R. Ellison cheif surgeon of the 33rd regiment Virginia Volunteers.

So again I go back to, how were the british military back in the 1700 hundreds able to avoid getting infected themselves.


Dodie   December 31st, 2009 11:13 am ET

@ Gerald Jolly

Ah, I did not catch the "syringe and needle" Statement. No where in the research for the US have I ever heard of syringe and needle pertaining to smallpox contamination. Some of the British/Spanish Military were sick from the smallpox and contaminated the blankets. There was no containment of smallpox in those days and that was one of the diseases that killed many California Natives from the Missionaries. The Missionaries did not purposefully make the Natives ill, it was just a natural occurence due to close proximity!

You have to ask yourself... Native Americans were around for 12,000 years and incurred none of these diseases until the Europeans came over. That does speak volumes about their hygiene and lifestyle. STDs were unheard of. They had better sense then to screw animals!!!

Gerald: Wishing you a wonderful, prospersous and Joyous New Year! May 2010 be an excellent year for you and your loved ones! Thank you for all your information. I am still researching the web site you sent!

Dodie


Gerald Jolly   December 31st, 2009 4:04 pm ET

@ Dodie, and the same to you and your loved ones.

With regards to your comments about the deseases the native people of North America got afflicted with, I do agree, but I seriously doubt that it was intentional.

However I will agree that when the British invaded the Americas they did think of the native inhabitants were little more than sub human.

This was inbred in the English from their centuries of oppressing the natives in Africa and India. (ie) The class system.


ckelly   December 31st, 2009 4:23 pm ET

I agree with you Dodie-

Missionaries have worked hard to eradicate culture and language from the Native people of the world-but it is only through the rulers that they gained entry and authority-Spanish, French, British and both Canadian and American governments- In Canada, there were still government run residential schools administered by Priests, Ministers AND government officials into the 1970's in Canada. Sexual, physical and psychological abuse knows no boundaries, religious or not.

The Prime minister of Canada and the Pope both made public apologies this year to Canadian Indians.

Incidently, A great movie about the treatment of the Irish by the British is a fairytale- made movie- called "The Secret of Roan Innish" (seal Island)

-the very atrocities against language and culture is documented there as part of the story-it is unclear if the school master is a religious priest or a British schoolmaster-but they were being forced to speak English only.

In my visits to Ireland in the early 90's-it was clear that old cottages had no windows due to "the sunlight tax" imposed on the Irish-who's land had been long confiscated . They were forced to work it and pay money to British Land owners. I was told by the tour guide that The stone fences which cover the Irish landscape were largely built during the Potato Famine-to keep the starving Irish's minds off their hunger.

In my later research, I came to find out that the Irish workers were promised food for thier labor at that time and few got it.

The potatoes that did do well and quite a number were harvested in spite of the blight-still went to Britain first, as a quota had to be met (irregardless of the famine). The Irish, who could have been helped and saved by the British either died or left the country. The population went from 8,000,000 to 3,000,000. There are many historians (who are not Irish) who believe that what the British did to the Irish was a deliberate attempt at genocide.

To Gerald Jolly-

About the syringe-I am not sure either, how the Vaccine worked. But they had it. There is also a letter or documentation-where Lord Jeffery and his commander contemplate the possibility of losing "A quarter of his men" with the blankets-.

After 100's of years of plague-it "seems" they had some basic understanding of contamination.

Later in the 19th century
the artocities continued because the vaccine was available and often the tribes were accidently infected-but the British/Canadian and American governments "just didn't give" Indians the vaccine in the early years of its use. Even though it was widely used by soldiers and civilians at this time.

On a happier note...
Happy New Year Dodie and Gerald Jolly!!-lets hope the world is filled with more forgiveness, reasonableness and kindness in 2010!!!!

Peace and many blessings,
CKelly


jack   December 31st, 2009 5:52 pm ET

The genocide of different Native American nations was indeed deplorable. One, however, must not have too much of what I will call a "golden age bias." Before the arrival of Europeans, the peoples were not without wars, disease and abuse of the weak. Times were tough, life was hard, and it resulted in a lot of domestic abuse etc. Wife beating, for instance, was a very common practice among Apache tribes of the south west. Certain native American cultures, like the Aztecs , while very advanced in many ways, actually practiced bloody human sacrifice quite often. I feel organized religion, not only contributed heavily to the loss of many unique and great cultures in the Americas, but in many other areas around the world. It is their feeling that they are the chosen, and might makes right, and that every kind of heinous conduct is acceptable if cloaked in piety, that was, and still is, very disturbing.


Gerald Jolly   January 1st, 2010 12:07 pm ET

@ckelly.

My grandfather immigrated to Canada and his brother went to Roanoke V.A in 1882, from Ireland, and like you I have gone to Ireland several times to visit where my grandfather was born and lived until he was indentured to a family in Quebec to work on a farm there.

To re-inforce your take on the british occupations throughout the world, why does Ireland still remain a devided country even until today?

Why does britain still insist on having control over the north and maintain a capital city (BELFAST) when every true Irish person want a united country,

Is it any wonder that there still is a severe hatred that still exists in Ireland and why was it necessary to force the Anglican religion on a people that are and always were predominantly catholic.

My point is that even in the so-called allied nations of the world reeligion plays a big part in the devision of people.


ckelly   January 1st, 2010 10:08 pm ET

My take is different Gerald-

The Irish of the republic of Ireland are not interested in a united Ireland-from discussions with relatives (well educated and not) they see the north as a different culture altogether-its history and values are different-Today in Ireland, there are more immigrants than Irish and the country is increasingly becoming more secular.

The problems in the North were always about class, a sense of national identity and greivences that included religious identity. Religion was used for centuries to separate those loyal to the queen/King from those who had no status-the Original Irish-who through their names, language and for more than 1000 years were a country of Catholic Irish. The fights today are political and manipulated, bringing flags, marches and old wounds of religious alligance to the fore front- because of high unemployment and a culture of "Fear of having not":

If all Northern Irish could get jobs-no one would care about religion-but the British ghettoized and openly discriminated against the Irish for so long that the British loyalists (protestants) became enraged when they saw a balance of power over the last few years-and both sides have so much pain and healing to do-that differences in culture and history could not be put aside during recent poor economic times.

This was never about religion (Really)-it was about the misuse of power of Britain over the conquered Irish-the subjugation of the Irish by the British has lasted almost 800 years-it became "religious" when Queen Elizabeth 1 became queen in the 17th century..


Gerald Jolly   January 1st, 2010 10:24 pm ET

@ ckelly, thank you for the enlightenment.

All that I can tell you is that my Grandfather was and will always be the hero of my life, I learned more from him in the 26 years of my life with him, than I have anywhere else.

A\little tid-bit for you.

My grandfather eventually became a carpenter and he developed the largest forearms I have ever seen, and until his death he refused to use power tools of any kind to do his work

He was affectionally known by all his family and friends as POPEYE.


ckelly   January 1st, 2010 10:45 pm ET

@ Gerald- You grand father sounds like a man of strong work ethic and Integrity 🙂

All the best Gerald Jolly in 2010!!:)


Gerald Jolly   January 1st, 2010 11:32 pm ET

@ckelly, thank you for your kind words.

My father was killed in WW2 and my grandfather raised me, as the son he lost. "HE WAS MY GODFATHER"

And I thank you for your calling him a man of work ethic and integrity.

When he was buried almost the entire town we lived in attended his funeral.

He spent his whole life helping others, he truly was the greatest role model a young boy could ever ask or wish for.

"I THINK ABOUT HIM EVERYDAY" and I try to live up to his expectations.


Dodie   January 2nd, 2010 1:00 am ET

@ Jack

I agree with you, life was difficult for all indigenous people. Human sacrifice among Aztecs, Incas and Mayans were well documented. I am sure they certainly had their share of wife and child beatings. War between the nations was also well documented. The Europeans could see this and different Native Nations sided with the French, English and Spanish. California Indians did not wage war as food was plentiful. When the Spanish introduced the horse to the California Natives, they ate it as there seemed to be no other need.

@ ckelly, Well stated and thank you for the information pertaining to the Irish Plight! Ireland is a very beautiful land. I was there as a child in 1964 and to this day still remember its beauty!

@ Gerald:

Your grandfather sounds like a hardworking, kind and admirable man with an excellent value system. I only wish there would be more like him. From what little I know about you, Gerald, the integrity and values reside well within you! I suspect he would be very proud of you as you seemed to have lived up to his expectations. I am so sorry for your loss. It must have been very difficult for you. It is my privilege to have the opportunity to met you, even if it is just on CNN blog. Thank you!

Dodie


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