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December 3, 2009

Obama now owns the war

Posted: 01:21 AM ET

By Gloria Borger, CNN Senior Political Analyst

(CNN) - The moment has to happen sometime in a new administration, and the Afghanistan speech was it: the end of the Obama campaign of limitless aspiration and the acknowledgement of a presidency burdened by harsh realities and difficult choices.

The candidate who had called the surge in the Iraq war "reckless" was proposing a surge of his own in Afghanistan.

The candidate who criticized President George W. Bush's emergency spending bills for the Iraq war could end up proposing one of his own.

The candidate who said that defined benchmarks - and penalties - were necessary for Bush's surge to work in Iraq provided none of his own in his speech.

Yet, in the end, there was one consistency: The candidate who called Afghanistan a "war of necessity" found that, as president, he still believes it to be true.

There was a clear subtext in the president's speech on Afghanistan: I wouldn't be in this awful situation if my predecessor hadn't sent troops to fight the wrong war in Iraq. It's awfully late in the process to jump-start this war. I tried to figure out some other way to approach this, driving my generals and the intelligence community to distraction for three months with all of my questions and scenarios. No one can actually be certain that this is going to work, given the fact that we have to depend on the previously - and notoriously - untrustworthy governments in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

But, knowing the threats that are out there, we have no choice: "If I did not think that the security of the United States and the safety of the American people were at stake in Afghanistan," Obama said, "I would gladly order every single one of our troops home tomorrow."

But he found out that he could not. Nor could he go the leaner troop route initially proposed by Vice President Joe Biden.

Obama himself made it clear that Afghanistan is no Vietnam: After all, our enemies there weren't looking for ways to kill Americans at home. And, by specifying a clear exit ramp, he made it clear that he isn't about to get bogged down in a war, as if saying it could make it true. Or at least convince his liberal base to support him.

Yet what he couldn't escape were the comparisons that he might be morphing into a version of Lyndon Johnson: a president with a robust domestic policy agenda fighting an unpopular war at the same time. And you can just hear his argument: I'm not LBJ; we're not getting bogged down. We're getting in fast, and, after 18 months, we're gone.

But, like LBJ and Vietnam, this is now Obama's war. It's also Obama's economy - and his high unemployment, his health care bill, his deficit.

He's all-in. And now, so are we.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of Gloria Borger.

Filed under: Afghanistan • Larry King Live • Politics • President Obama


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Thomas W   December 3rd, 2009 1:54 am ET

About Afghanistan: I SMELL ANOTHER "SECRET WAR"...
Right off the bat the reasoning for our involvement in this war has been nothing but NEBULOUS. We were left in the dark about our involvement in the last war, and now we have been led right back into the dark again! Unbelievable!! When are we going to stop being fools?!? When are we going to stop settling for flimsy answers?!? There are too many holes in the reasoning for this war. So perhaps we are REALLY there for OIL. Perhaps we are REALLY there to channel funds into THE WAR MACHINE. Perhaps we are REALLY there to POSITION U.S. CONTROL OF THE REGION. One thing is certain: Obama is obviously not giving us straight answers. WAKE UP AND SMELL THE STENCH OF OBAMA'S DECEPTION!!!!


Daniel L. Travis   December 3rd, 2009 2:40 am ET

Sir, Yes you Mr. King
John F. K and Mr. Johnson are now turning in thier resting. It took less than 40 yrs and Americans are making the same mistakes Why Sir Obama was bought, lobbying found the right number, war manufactures
win again. Our Americans lost in greed.


Ron J   December 3rd, 2009 4:16 am ET

oh please, who made us the sugar daddy for all of Karzais wishes
--and the rebuilders of a ‘ new afghanistan’…..Obama & Gates want more bodies to respond to the increased so called insurgent activity, but of course homegrown taliban are going to defend themselves, because we’re are there provoking and attempting to impose
political and religious cleansing. Those people don’t even have uniforms and are not part of any threat to attack America. So the deceit and stalling continue while more and more people die there . These kooky planners are on a continued neocon crusade , and should get their own money and people to spend, if they believe in it so much , but not the U.S.A.’s.

Congress just say no $$$ to addiction to war….


R   December 3rd, 2009 4:18 am ET

While this is about Tiger's antics, What about Elin?

The biggest thing I see here is this. What about Elin? And for that I say. Elin, you a lovely lady and you are to be commended. I am sorry you had to go through that. I wish you well and certainly hope that you find peace in whatever future you decide. You deserve better treatment than you have received.

Now on to Tiger for a moment or two.

I am amazed to see that the PGA of America and The PGA Tour have not discussed actions for suspension of even expulsion of PGA Superstar Tiger Woods.

While most everyone at sometime in their life has had some sort of minor indiscretion. The PGA By Laws and code of ethics are very very stringent on this.

It is called... "Conduct Unbecoming a Professional". The by-law mentioned basically says that " A PGA Professional is considered to be guilty of conduct unbecoming a member of the Professional Golfers Association of America if it is deemed that the conduct is injurious to the Association or to any member."

PGA Members shall be subject to suspension and or expulsion from the association by a vote of two thirds of the membership or as deemed by the membership or Board of Control.
.
Let me repeat that! "The charge of Conduct Unbecoming a Professional shall be considered if it is deemed to have created harm to the Association or it's members.

Public embarrassment of the Association or any of its fellow members is considered to be cause for a hearing to be held relating to the offense considered for suspension or expulsion of the member."

If Tiger's actions of infidelity are not considered injurious to all PGA Professionals or to the association, then how is it that John Daly was given suspensions for his drinking actions, or how is it that other professionals have gone through similar suspensions or expulsions for lesser offenses. The act of infidelity or CHEATING, well you know what I mean.

This is something that AC360 should investigate as the PGA of America is a highly political association with deep ties into all levels of politics. And right now, there area whole slew of professional golfers and amateur golfers worldwide, that are in loving relationships that have been given a very huge black eye by Tiger.

For the PGA or PGA Tour not to investigate for possible sanctions this would be paramount to saying oh he is special and does not fall under the same rules as everyone else. He is just another man and he puts his pants on the same we all do.

While yes, Tiger has done a lot of good for golf, this is not something to be overlooked. Why even the USGA and Royal and Ancient was ultimately forced to directly change a rule because of an action Tiger made in a tournament several years ago. In that tournament, he had spectators help him to move a boulder from his intended line of flight. While it was ingenious, and certainly allowed within the rules at that time. It violated the spirit of the game at the time. It was also a way for a certain someone to circumvent the rules. And it created an uproar amongst all golfers not to mention tour pros.

Well Tiger, What goes around comes around, this is Karma and Buddah has spoken here, because this falls directly in line and is much the same way that same certain person ("Tiger") circumvented amateur rules when he turned pro. And if there are people out there who have any belief that he did not circumvent those rules, and he did not know that he was going to have 57 million dollars in contracts prior to him turning pro, guess again.

For all intensive purposes, Tiger was a professional amateur golfer, and was professionally sponsored for a much longer time prior to his ever turning professional. It was just hidden and covered up to the nth degree. Someone's certain father was paid as a consultant to groom him, and that was after his father had retired from the military.
His father's job was to do nothing other than groom him to be the best golfer ever and his father was paid to do so. If that is not professionally sponsored amateurism I don't know what is.

At the very least, the USGA should deeply investigate his original amateur status at the time he won his three US Amateur events. And the PGA of America and PGA Tour should investigate conduct unbecoming...DO THE RIGHT THING.

Again...What about Elin, and even more, what about the kids? they are the ones who have ultimately suffered the most.

Anonymous

PS...I guess I am just venting, and in no way do I ever expect anyone to ever bring this to light. To do that would be investigative honest and unbiased journalism. And we certainly don't want that to happen.


R   December 3rd, 2009 4:20 am ET

While this is about Tiger's antics, What about Elin?

The biggest thing I see here is this. What about Elin? And for that I say. Elin, you a lovely lady and you are to be commended. I am sorry you had to go through that. I wish you well and certainly hope that you find peace in whatever future you decide. You deserve better treatment than you have received.

Now on to Tiger for a moment or two.

I am amazed to see that the PGA of America and The PGA Tour have not discussed actions for suspension of even expulsion of PGA Superstar Tiger Woods.

While most everyone at sometime in their life has had some sort of minor indiscretion. The PGA By Laws and code of ethics are very very stringent on this.

It is called... "Conduct Unbecoming a Professional". The by-law mentioned basically says that " A PGA Professional is considered to be guilty of conduct unbecoming a member of the Professional Golfers Association of America if it is deemed that the conduct is injurious to the Association or to any member."

PGA Members shall be subject to suspension and or expulsion from the association by a vote of two thirds of the membership or as deemed by the membership or Board of Control.
.
Let me repeat that! "The charge of Conduct Unbecoming a Professional shall be considered if it is deemed to have created harm to the Association or it's members.

Public embarrassment of the Association or any of its fellow members is considered to be cause for a hearing to be held relating to the offense considered for suspension or expulsion of the member."

If Tiger's actions of infidelity are not considered injurious to all PGA Professionals or to the association, then how is it that John Daly was given suspensions for his drinking actions, or how is it that other professionals have gone through similar suspensions or expulsions for lesser offenses. The act of infidelity or CHEATING, well you know what I mean.

This is something that AC360 and Larry King should investigate as the PGA of America is a highly political association with deep ties into all levels of politics. And right now, there area whole slew of professional golfers and amateur golfers worldwide, that are in loving relationships that have been given a very huge black eye by Tiger.

For the PGA or PGA Tour not to investigate for possible sanctions this would be paramount to saying oh he is special and does not fall under the same rules as everyone else. He is just another man and he puts his pants on the same we all do.

While yes, Tiger has done a lot of good for golf, this is not something to be overlooked. Why even the USGA and Royal and Ancient was ultimately forced to directly change a rule because of an action Tiger made in a tournament several years ago. In that tournament, he had spectators help him to move a boulder from his intended line of flight. While it was ingenious, and certainly allowed within the rules at that time. It violated the spirit of the game at the time. It was also a way for a certain someone to circumvent the rules. And it created an uproar amongst all golfers not to mention tour pros.

Well Tiger, What goes around comes around, this is Karma and Buddah has spoken here, because this falls directly in line and is much the same way that same certain person ("Tiger") circumvented amateur rules when he turned pro. And if there are people out there who have any belief that he did not circumvent those rules, and he did not know that he was going to have 57 million dollars in contracts prior to him turning pro, guess again.

For all intensive purposes, Tiger was a professional amateur golfer, and was professionally sponsored for a much longer time prior to his ever turning professional. It was just hidden and covered up to the nth degree. Someone's certain father was paid as a consultant to groom him, and that was after his father had retired from the military.
His father's job was to do nothing other than groom him to be the best golfer ever and his father was paid to do so. If that is not professionally sponsored amateurism I don't know what is.

At the very least, the USGA should deeply investigate his original amateur status at the time he won his three US Amateur events. And the PGA of America and PGA Tour should investigate conduct unbecoming...DO THE RIGHT THING.

Again...What about Elin, and even more, what about the kids? they are the ones who have ultimately suffered the most.

Anonymous

PS...I guess I am just venting, and in no way do I ever expect anyone to ever bring this to light. To do that would be investigative honest and unbiased journalism. And we certainly don't want that to happen.


David   December 3rd, 2009 5:41 am ET

Hi Larry,

The fearmongers on the Right finally got what they wanted: President Obama's ownership of this war. Now i want to see how long it is going to take before indictments are handed out to Dick Chaney, George Bush, Carl Rove and his crooney administration. I think it would be the best way to shut up Dick Chaney and his crooney daughter. The nerve of these people!!!!! Most people on the Right want this war, as long as they don't have to pay for it or send their sons or daughters to die for it.

David.


lostemperor   December 3rd, 2009 7:05 am ET

As much as I like this president over his predecessor, I don't get Obama opening up his war strategy for Afghanistan. The US plans is now an open book for the Taliban. They can either wait till 2011 to fight or choose to strike even harder now. It will either put the American troops in harms way, not to mention the Afghan people, or the US itself. I have never seen a general giving this crucial strategic information to the enemy, or commander in chief for that matter.


Eddie Cole   December 3rd, 2009 7:19 am ET

President OBAMA does not own the war. Whats wrong with you cowards? The war is a BUSH war! We'd look like cowards running with our tails tucked if we just run away now......Its a pity...but its a fight already started. If we leave now we're failures, and putting ourselves at risk....President OBAMA is damned if he do, and damned if he don't! How many of you were on the boards to help make this decision? Go back to your jobs and let the PRESIDENT get us out of this mess that we've been in all to long! Can't get your heads out of the Bush yet? He had two terms to get us in this mess.........!!!!


Idzan Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia   December 3rd, 2009 9:31 am ET

Inherited or ownership, it's still a WAR.
Let's not have I told you so.
Good luck America


Ted   December 3rd, 2009 10:25 am ET

Dear President Obama;

According to the Constitution of the USA we have a government of the people, by the people and for the people!!
What a farce, if I may say so!

According to the latest polls well over 50% of americans, also a majority, had enough of wars and wants you to pull out our troops not only from Iraq, but also from Afghanistan. They are not willing to sacrifice the life of their children, husband/wife or our hard earned tax money so others can get rich on it or have a better life.

We elected you, because you promised an different USA, where the interest of the country comes first, where we can live in peace with the world. 68 years of constant war since 1941 left our country broke and us disunited. Those who make a profit or a career in wars, such as the generals, want you to continue the old scheme and you just caved in to their wishes.

You received the Nobel Peace Prize, not because you earned it as up to now you did not do anything in the interest of peace, but on the promise of your speeches before election! This was a signal from the european allies to urge you to stop the arrogant superpower behavior of always being right, knowing everything and we are the best attitude.

Your decision of sending an additional 30,000 men and women to die in Afghanistan is certainly not the first step toward peace, it is an increase in the war.

What are we doing in Afghanistan? The Taliban are all afghans, they are home and have support of their countrymen and after your move will have no problems to have another 100,000 volunteers to fight the invaders, the unbelievers! Yes, we are the invaders who are not invited to tell them how to run their lives.
There is no Al Quida left in Afghanistan, they all moved to Pakistan, Jemen and Somalia and according to the Prime Minister of Pakistan during today´s press conference, Bin Laden is not in Pakistan!!!
Since our CIA, NSA, ASA, the whole Army, CNN, and the New York Times could not find a trace of him during the past eight years, I am inclined to believe the Prime Minister!

History will judge you not for your speeches, but for your deeds!
You could have been the greatest president we had in hundred years and you may still turn the wheel around, but once we get bogged down in Afghanistan you will be just another those presidents who cater to their supporters of war industry and big finance. They are the ones who make billions during the time americans die and the country gets poor. Every empire collapsed on wars and internal twists and we are on the way to become a second or third world country.

Most likely you will never see these lines, however I had to say it. I am a liberal independent who voted for you, the first time in 30 years, because there is no sence to spend the time. All politicians forget their promises once elected and big business tell them what to do.


Ted   December 3rd, 2009 2:12 pm ET

Most certainly China is upset over our intrusion into their sphare of influence, as we would be if China landed 100,000 troops in Mexico to enforce their idea of a state.
They have hundreds of billions of dollars of our money, so they can easily supply weapons to the Taliban not to win, but enough to drag out the war and weaken us militarily and financially. That is what I would do if I was a Chinese head of State and that is what we did to curbe the soviet invation in the 1980s.


Ted   December 3rd, 2009 2:21 pm ET

Some time ago I read a report that stated the US. Army could have captured Bin Laden if they wanted to! However, in that case there was no more reason or excuse to stay in Afghanistan, so he could safely cross the border to Pakistan and we had an excuse to stay there.
True? I do not know, however it sounds possible.


Dodie   December 3rd, 2009 2:31 pm ET

@ Ted!

Beautifully stated! Exceptional insight! You and others like you give me hope!

China thinks we are foolish, wasteful and lavish. Their major concern is our ability to pay them the 3 trillion dollars we borrowed, 1 trillion was at the request of Bush Admin. to fund the Iraq war. China is just allowing the US to self-distruct and then they will take over as the world power. China views us as a declining power and at this moment in time, I agree with them. ~very sad~


Dodie   December 3rd, 2009 2:35 pm ET

@ Ted

All we need to do to stop Bin Laden, Al-Qaeda is to cut off their funding from the Saudis. Yes, Bin Laden is wealthy, but he still needs more income to operate, and that is where Saudi comes into play. Because we still need oil, we are not willing to confront this!


william   December 3rd, 2009 4:05 pm ET

E Cole is correct..Pres Obama does NOT own the war..wish hm good health & great insight..he looks older now after 11 mos..Godspeed...how can Bush & Cheney sleep @ night..uncaring people..big egos strong egos.. Ted & Dodies are super postees /sp/ ...enjoy reading their thoughts feelings...


lostemperor   December 4th, 2009 6:48 am ET

It was kind of ironic to hear President Obama defending the militairy Bush years. Maybe he shoud have gone further back in time and mention that the United States backed the Taliban and Al-Qaeda with funds and arms when they were still killing Russians. And the US backed Saddam Hussein in his eight year war against Iran killing one million people from Iran alone. Even still when Saddam was killing his own citizens by the thousands.

Or perhaps Obama should even go further back in time to mention the horrible useless Vietnam war the US was fighting, killing millions. Instead it was an advocate for war but that is what we expected.


Eddie Cole   December 4th, 2009 7:40 am ET

So much stupid blah! blah! I didn't bother to read all of it....Everybody should keep their nose in their own households! Tiger Woods did not sign a contract to open his private affairs with "Johnny Don't Have A Life Public"!! He owes nobody nothing....!! And anybody that insist he does needs to find role models in their family, church, or elsewhere. Its sad that he has his own issues to deal with. What he and his wife does is their business. Like Bill Clinton & Hilary...and everyone & anyone else!! Whew! What a world?!! Get a life.......!!!


Ted   December 4th, 2009 9:30 am ET

@ Eddie Cole

You are totally wrong with your comment that we should let the president do his job! People like you allowed Bush to get us into two wars, highly illegal and unethical. You probably said the same; "let the president do his job"!
He really did a very good job on us, Haliburton and other similar war profiteers are rubbing their hands.!!

The President is the leader and the servant of the people who elected him, therefore he has the obligation to lead, however to do it according to the wishes of those who gave him this job, the people of the USA! He is accountable to his nation.
An honest President would try to fulfill at least part of his promises made before the election and we the people SHOULD constantly remind him that those promises are binding!

We have a type of government where the head of the state and the goverment is the same person. This may have been correct 200 years ago, however today not one person can fulfill both duties and do a good job. Most other countries have a president, as the head of state for diplomatic representation and a prime minister to run the every day business of the goverment.
It is desirable that we also adopt such a system, so our president can do a better job of representing our nation, both inside and outside of our borders.

Politicians are basicly corrupt, one more the other less. An honest one will be eaten by the wolfs in his party before he even gets started, therefore it is imperative that we constantly keep an eye on them.
Just watch those Senators who keep switching from one party to another just to keep their seats! Those are not leaders, but opportunists, who care only for themselves, yet the voters keep electing them again and again!
In this country most people care more about where can we buy a good hamburger than the state of his country, his home and his future.
What a pitty.


Ted   December 4th, 2009 9:41 am ET

@ Dodie

It is not the oil why we do not lean on the Saudis, it is the complicated business arrangement the Bush family and other Texas oilmen have with them! The Saudis financed the enterprises started by Bush Jr., giving him millions that he faithfully lost every single time. To think this man later governed our country for eight years!!
Papa Bush made millions on those ventures and you do not kill the cow that gives you the most milk!


Ashley Robinson   December 4th, 2009 11:47 am ET

I think that President Obama is doing what he has to do. The only thing he is trying to do is make the situation better and get the right people. Bush was fighting the wrong country. President OBAMA does not own the war. The war is a BUSH war! We'd look like cowards running with our tails tucked if we just run away now.Its a pity, but its a fight already started. If we leave now we're failures, and putting ourselves at risk.


Ashlee Guy   December 4th, 2009 2:24 pm ET

I think that President Obama is doing what he has to do. The only thing he is trying to do is make the situation better and get the right people. We have a type of government where the head of the state and the goverment is the same person. I think people of the U.S. thats against Obama need to get with Obama. This may have been correct eight years ago, however today not one person can fulfill both duties and do a good job. It is not the oil why we do not lean on the Saudis, it is the complicated business arrangement the Bush family and other have with them.


Eddie Cole   December 5th, 2009 6:40 am ET

@Ted......I'm not sorry to say...You're DEAD WRONG! I did not vote for BUSH and wouldn't dream of it. I still stick to believing and trusting PRESIDENT OBAMA. He is protecting AMERICA! These are still BUSH problems and situations that we have to get out of. Not like cowards and thinking backwards. But with dignity, strength and power. I believe PRESIDENT OBAMA made the right decision and is making the right decisions to better our country. The only corrupt politician I can identify with is BUSH who this war belongs to. He has dug "America" in a hole for 8 years!!! A lot of people say a lot of words but say absolutely nothing. Those who supported BUSH put the country at a risk! People allowed him to do that....Now they should support PRESIDENT OBAMA to clean it up the best way he can. I'm proud & trust him..Not looking down in shame like I did for 8 yrs of the BUSH ADMINISTRATION. I am not the only AMERICAN that agrees with PRESIDENT OBAMA. I know a lot of our military who also agree....in American & the EU....The problem is the narrow minded thinking of most Americans. Back to why we had BUSH for 8 yrs....The fire was already started. I think the best thing to do is put it out..Don't let it burn and spread destroying more....Stay and put it out for the security not only for America but the rest of the world. If these terrorist grow and take over the planet is in trouble........


Ted   December 5th, 2009 8:46 am ET

@ Eddie Cole,

You do not put a fire out by spraying gasoline on it, but by removing the flammable items!
The whole problem is our middle east policy and our troops there. Saudi Arabia is the holly land for the moslems and our air bases are just as welcome as an iranian airbase in Jerusalem would be.

Your speach about honor and dignity is fine, I heard it many times when we sent off our troops to Vietnam, Iraq War I, Iraq War II and Afghanistan. I used to play racket ball or tennis with Gen. Clark and personally congratulated Gen. Powell after the first Iraq War. I suppose you are or were in the military and you are familiar with those names.

A man with character realizes when he is wrong and have the courage to admit it. So should be with our nation, we were not invited, we are invaders and should pack up and leave.

A very famous man said once: " Wars are too important to be left to the generals"!
Our own President Eisehower, the last five star general, said: " he is afraid the military/industrial complex will take over in the USA with fatal consequences"! He proved to be right, the consequences are fatal for our nation, our troops and millions of killed people all over the world.
Since President Johnson this complex decides the politic of our our nation with consequent wars and more wars.


Eddie Cole   December 5th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

@Ted I'm sure if our current PRESIDENT OBAMA felt it was safe for us to pull out we would be long gone. But since 9/11 and the threats have been multiplied to leave would be the absolute wrong thing to do. The wrong impression would cause us more harm and more lives worldwide. There are a lot of opinions and historical examples on war & peace. But someone should have told that to the BUSH ADMINISTRATION where all of the problems started. You don't pour gasoline in a flame....but you don't just turn your back on it either. It has to be contained....smothered....put under control. The nation is divided and everybody thinks they're right. The only way to put solve any of this is for those in charge to do their business. I remember the anti war protest.....Make love not war...but you don't allow the other team to plot and attack you......Forget about everything else...We have to protect our country. A lot of people are talking against...and a lot agree with PRESIDENT OBAMA. Thats just the way it is......I believe and trust in PRESIDENT OBAMA's choices. The men & women
that fight for our countries safety do it with pride & dignity. Its a disrespect even for them not to appreciate what they do. There isn't a draft. They've inlisted to fight and protect......I support them as well....We all should.....


Ted   December 7th, 2009 4:54 pm ET

Eddie Cole,

Before we misunderstand eachother I voted for Obama and I support him 100%!! I also back our fighting men who are sent to die, for what? They have three possibilities, they die in war, they will be wounded or disabled for life, or they come home safely and have nightmares for years, if not for life.
The profiteurs of wars will be the generals who are not in danger, but get all the fame if we win or not. Do you remember Gen. Westmoreland? He lied through his nose to have more and more troops in Vietnam, however we still lost that war.
Gen. McChrystal is not honest about the reports he is sending. That war in Afghanistan is unwinable, believe me.


Eddie Cole   December 8th, 2009 4:57 am ET

@Ted I understand what you're saying. And maybe I'm the one who's being misunderstood. Even though I don't see how or why..Under any and all circumstances I think its to late to run away with our tails tucked. The war is in full bloom! Nobody wants their loved ones coming home in a box. However some see it as a matter of principal that we don't turn away and leave. It will put us all in more danger.....I'm more optimistic....It may be for nothing but we put our big foot in our mouths through BUSH administration. We leave now the Taliban gains more power there will be more acts of terror whenever they want. I hope you're wrong....believe me.......I'm understanding you completely!! With all said, I hope you understand me to. We may not agree.......but if you understand me thats good enough.....


Ted   December 8th, 2009 11:22 am ET

Eddie Cole,

we both want the same, to get out safely from Afghanistan. The difference is you say we should stay until we win and I say we will never win that war, therefore we must stay there forever or sooner or later pack up and leave!! At that time the Taliban will take power and we wasted lot of lives and money for nothing!!

During the Vietnam war the generals always wanted more troops to win the war and President Johnson just kept sending them.
I worked over 40 years long in high Army headquarters and we knew years before we got kicked out from Vietnam that the war is lost!!
Yet the generals were sending a list of body counts that was falsified. If we killed that many Vietkong, than there would be very few people left there and who chased us out?

I learned as a child that it takes more courage to walk away from a brawl than to have a senseless fight.
Perhaps our President need to talk to advisers who are not generals.


Eddie Cole   December 8th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

@Ted Yes we do want the same thing. And I get your point...I learned as a child the same thing. It takes courage to walk away from a fight. But its a cowards way to just pick up and run. Even if it were me alone in this fight....I'd give it all my energy and put up a good fight. And hope at least that i've gained respect. The President isn't sitting alone in the oval office making these decisions. He has his advisors, and he took his time, and didn't rush into this. Its not like he's deciding to start a war. The war is in full bloom...We have to bow out with dignity....Not at a drop of a hat....its far to late for that...I respect PRESIDENT and trust my VOTE. The fight was senseless to start. But my big brother wouldn't leave me to get beat up even if I did start it....He'd protect me....He might scold me later....But he'd make sure I didn't get beat. He might try and make peace....he wouldn't run away.....There are many ways to look at this...I can give you the same reasoning....Its to late...to turn back now.


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