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September 30, 2009

ICYMI – Michael Jackson tapes: Madonna 'is not a nice person'

Posted: 08:06 AM ET

Michael Jackson was one of the most famous people in the world. Yet for all his global notoriety, the man himself was shrouded in mystery.

Now some of that mystery has been peeled away. Jackson recorded about 30 hours of deeply personal thoughts with his friend and spiritual adviser, Rabbi Shmuley Boteach, between August 2000 and April 2001.

The results are the basis of a new book, "The Michael Jackson Tapes: A Tragic Icon Reveals His Soul in Intimate Conversation." Boteach joined LKL in an interview on Monday night that painted the pop star as a lonely, injured soul who craved adoration and love but was too damaged to find it.

Boteach's recordings also revealed Jackson's relationships with various family members and celebrities - some of which were warm, others tense and others painful and dysfunctional.

When Jackson was recording his tapes, Madonna was not held in high esteem.

"She is not a nice person," Jackson told Boteach. Jackson revealed how he and Madonna had bickered about where they would socialize.

"Madonna laid the law down to me before we went out. [She said] I am not going to Disneyland, OK? That's out," Jackson said. "I said, 'I didn't ask to go to Disneyland.' She said, 'We are going to the restaurant. And afterwards, we are going to a strip bar.'

"I said, 'I am not going to a strip bar, where they cross dress. ... I am not going to there. If that's how it is, forget this whole thing. ... Afterwards, she wrote some mean things about me in the press. And I wrote that she is a nasty witch, after I was so kind to her," Jackson said.

King asked Boteach whether Jackson's opinion might have moderated on Madonna, especially in light of her warm comments at his memorial service.

"Well, let's be very fair to Madonna," Boteach said. "These comments by Michael were said about his experiences with Madonna years and years ago, when she had an extremely testy public image. She was the Material Girl, the bad girl. And I think Michael was reacting to that."

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Irene   September 30th, 2009 8:24 am ET

NIce picture, CNN.


Anne   September 30th, 2009 8:31 am ET

Larry,
Boteach is a great book salesman. He almost had me believe he was sympathetic and sincere in his feelings for MJ. But it is a con. He wanted to write a book about the immorality of celebrity and MJ just fell right in his lap. He was not MJ's friend. He used MJ inner most thoughts and feelings to provide a basis for a book and then when MJ realized he was been taken advantage of it was too late. If Boteach was really MJ"s friend he would not have abandoned him when he realized there wasn't a market for his book and then cash in when MJ died. Do not be fooled by this man. He is just another one of the long list of people who have exploited Michael Jackson during his life and now death for their own personal fame and fortune.


denise   September 30th, 2009 8:35 am ET

Cashing in on one's late friend is not nice either.

Anne - well said.


Victoria J   September 30th, 2009 8:36 am ET

The headline is sensationalism. And Boteach blames the fans for deifying Michael and causing his problems! I found it interesting that he did not speak about what the media did to Michael's already fragile soul when they take one tiny aspect and blow it way out of proportion or how they never let him be vindicated without dragging him through the entire event over and over. This headline is a perfect example of the media's mistreatment of Michael... including not using the best photographs of him. This is why the tapes should not have been published...things are taken out of context and Michael did not have the opportunity to defend or clarify statements and we really do not know if he would want those tapes released so many years later. It is great to hear Michael's own words, but we do not need Boteach's voice at all and we do not need the media sensationalizing Michael Jackson anymore. You did that enough during his lifetime to last an eternity.


naina   September 30th, 2009 8:36 am ET

If he was really Micheal's friend he would have never taped their conversation


Brigida, Italy   September 30th, 2009 8:46 am ET

Victoria, here I agree with you 100%
- It is great to hear Michael’s own words, but we do not need Boteach’s voice at all -

we all knew it over the years how Michael's life was mixed up and put on negativities from media. Many things on these tapes he said in several interviews and fans just knew. There is no need to be published once more time esp. from a "rabbi" that should have his mouth closed.
Fans never "deified" Michael, they only recognized him like the great humanitarian and lovely soul he was. And they will continue for years and years to come.


mika   September 30th, 2009 8:49 am ET

michael, I miss you so much!


Anabela Guedes, from Portugal   September 30th, 2009 8:51 am ET

‘is not a nice person’

Schmuley isn't too


Anabela Guedes, from Portugal   September 30th, 2009 8:54 am ET

Schmuley will be remembered for who he is: an oportunist and a traitor!

his actions speak for himself!


Maureen (UK)   September 30th, 2009 8:55 am ET

Madonna
Michael said that if Madonna had children this would bring out her caring nature. He was very intuitive & was right. Madonna is a very caring mother. I'm sure in retrospect Madonna & Michael would have had a lot in common since they both became parents & were both very intuitive.

Madonna's speech at the VMA's was very moving.


Anabela Guedes, from Portugal   September 30th, 2009 8:56 am ET

Dear Larry, correction:

Madonna might not have been "a nice person", but now she is...

unfortunatly, i can't say the same from Schmuley.


janice   September 30th, 2009 9:18 am ET

Everyone please write an email to larry and to cnn asking them to have Aphrodite Jones on for the full hour to talk about Michael Jackson Conspiracy. I know all regular bloggers on here know about it but please encourage everyone you know to put in a request for her appearance. Also, we need a full hour dedicated to Michael's humanitarianism and charitable works. We will keep fighting until we get it!


Idzam Ismail, Kuala Lumpur, Malaysia   September 30th, 2009 9:21 am ET

I cried my heart out throughout the interview.
Hearing his voice, so sweet, so child-like and so naive and trusting.
Lttle did he know that he was being betrayed by his confidant.
One thing shines through- he wants to be loved and he loves children.
This negates the accusations of him being a child pedophile, which was utterly ludicrous.
Michael should have known us all here.
We loved him and only want to see him sing and dance.
Its regretful he has hangers on like Smelly Schmuley.


Anne   September 30th, 2009 9:36 am ET

Madonna's speech at the VMA's Michael Jackson tribute was awesome! Everything she said was true and she was totally sincere. I cried all the way through it. She gave a beautiful tribute but sadly it was almost ignored by the media. I was very disappointed that SNL was critical of her for trying to show how alike she and MJ were. Her words were music to my ears and long overdue. I will always be grateful to her.

I read an article yesterday that said that the media and US public were hounding MJ from 2003 to 2005 in hopes that he would commit suicide. The media generated so much false information and fed this evil ugly lynch mob of hate against MJ it could take 50 years to undo it with the truth.

It was like a shark feeding frenzy, and he was the prey. They wanted to tear him apart, they wanted blood. This is the ugly truth about the way MJ was destroyed both personally and professionally. We killed Michael Jackson – all of us – including those of us who stood silently by watching it all happen on tv..

Michael Jackson was the real victim. He was totally innocent.


gab   September 30th, 2009 9:41 am ET

Boteach is just using Michael for his profit. Being Michael's confidant, he has the responsibility and obligation to keep whatever they talked about in private. This confidentiality pact does not end when the other person dies. And now, the media is sensationalizing everything.

Please larry, out of respect for Michael, you shouldn't even have invited Boteach for an interview.

As for our part, we shouldn't support Boteach and get the book. He took advantage of Michael when Michael was still alive, and now, he is doing it again.


Cocovelvet   September 30th, 2009 9:42 am ET

Why did this Boteach really go all this length to air those tapes ???!!! Does he really know how the media can twist and spin the whole story of the tapes !!???? Does he know how Madonna is going to feel about this, especially that she did such a moving and beautiful tribute speech for MJ ??? What will she think of MJ now ???

I am soo disappointed in this Boteach for letting out such sensitive material for everybody's ear and at the same time pretending to be protective of MJ. in the first place anyway, it was quite clear his frienship with MJ was nothing but a played act on his part coz he has clearly indicated personally last night at LKL that he walked out on MJ . He said he did that coz he couldn't manage make MJ see things the way he wanted him to see them. To him, MJ was at fault for being so naive and not careful on certain things.....who is perfect in life anyway ??? I bet as human beings, we all make mistakes or are naive at certain points on particular issues, and was that a reason enough for Boteach to abonden MJ coz of that ??? what kind of a real friend does that to a friend ???!!!

Like I've said, naive situations exist in all our lifes....take for instance the case of Polanski which is going on right now. Can anybody dispute the fact that Polanski was so naive to think he could just travel to Switzerland after 30 years of skipping the US leaving behind a case, and only to find himself in the hands of Swiss police ??? Whats more interesting now is that the whole of Hollywood is now roaring with a cry that Polanski be set free ??? Why are they saying that ??. Did they say that on those two occasions when MJ was himself WRONGFULLY, and I repeat WRONGFULLY accused, whilst Polanski is reported to have on the other side committed that crime ??? UNBELIEVABLE STUFF WE SEE HAPPENING IN THIS WORLD !!!...............................


Judy   September 30th, 2009 9:45 am ET

When it's the show gonna be posted online? I couldn't wake up to watch it... And Michael was right with everything he said! What does the Rabbi mean by saying that Michael craved adulation, when everyone was going crazy in each and one of his public appearances,,,


danielle   September 30th, 2009 9:53 am ET

We killed Michael Jackson – all of us – including those of us who stood silently by watching it all happen on tv..

Yes Anne, I totally agree with you.

Also, why CNN, are you using bad photos of Michael ? Couldn't you use the best ones ? TMZ just do the same...

you still want people to laugh about him ?

Why don't you focus on his humanitarian work ?


Victoria J   September 30th, 2009 10:00 am ET

Thanks, Anne, for your insight...

"We killed Michael Jackson – all of us – including those of us who stood silently by watching it all happen on tv..

Michael Jackson was the real victim. He was totally innocent."

That's why we all hurt.

_____________________________________

And Cocovelvet thanks for the insight on Planski...I have been thinking the same thing...


Amy   September 30th, 2009 10:04 am ET

I can't believe my eyes –

*The choice of the headline
*The horrible 2nd sentence "For all his global notoriety"
*The unflaterring picture

The media's bias is so obvious!!!!!!

And who said Michael is notorious!


Cocovelvet   September 30th, 2009 10:11 am ET

Victoria J,

You are welcomed.......thats basically how we have been and continue to live in this unfair and biased world indeed....


Mara   September 30th, 2009 10:34 am ET

What really matters is that the investigation continues and that Murray and Co. are brought up on charges. All these other folks don't matter. They've been talking ever since I can remember. Never paid attention to them then and shouldn't do it now. Where do we stand with the investigation Larry? We need an update please.


kassie_lee   September 30th, 2009 10:42 am ET

shmuley is a traitor who is milking of Michael's death
like we fans haven't seen enough of that already.


Michelle D. Fonthill,Ont   September 30th, 2009 10:45 am ET

How could Rabbi Shmuley betray Micheral by revealing these tapes ? Micheal is not here to defend himself .This Rabbis is purley here to be on t.v for his own 15 minutes of fame it's enough already we have seen enough of Micheal 's death coverage let it go .


SLM   September 30th, 2009 10:47 am ET

Did anyone really think Madonna was a nice person?


Michelle D. Fonthill,Ont   September 30th, 2009 10:58 am ET

No Madonna is not nice person .She 's a diva and an ego manic .There i said it !


Céline - FR   September 30th, 2009 11:05 am ET

SLM September 30th, 2009 10:47 am ET

Did anyone really think Madonna was a nice person?

*****************************
personally I didn't....


mariau   September 30th, 2009 11:06 am ET

“I said, ‘I am not going to a strip bar, where they cross dress. … I am not going to there. If that’s how it is, forget this whole thing. … Afterwards, she wrote some mean things about me in the press. And I wrote that she is a nasty witch, after I was so kind to her,” Jackson said.

The Rabbi made this very contorversial issues so Madonna would turn her head to Michael.. a very obvious move to promote Michael to some bad issues, and promoting his books as well.

What a hillarious move to defame MJ and destroy him!!!!

HE IS NOT A RABBI HE IS A DESPERATE CELEBRITY!!!!! HE SHOULD BE ASHAME TO HIMSELF..


kiki   September 30th, 2009 11:14 am ET

People who think MJ was a child molester hate MJ. I think this is the biggest problem for MJ. And if they can learn MJ was innocent, they will be very sympathetic. However, I don't think they will not spend their time or pay money to read this book. Maybe they watched NBC or CNN shows, but Shmuley didn't say clearly MJ was innocent when he had a chance to say that. It is not nice!

If he really think he can help MJ to clear his name, I think he should put up the conversation where MJ talks about Gavin or Ryan White on his website or something.

Haters will not change their mind even when they know MJ was abused or he thought Madonna was not a nice person...


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 11:20 am ET

Janice!
Grait idea!I will doo it!Ëverybody shold doo it to,wrighd lette to lerry to have Aphrodite Jones on hes show!

Everybody!
We all knows,how Madonna got to be fames.Whit sexuality.Whith things,that Michael didnt agree.Pluss,she try to got Michael in it,and whenn she couldnt,she talked bad about hem.This is true.But,times are changeing,peaples are changeing.Madonna changed alot,just like How Michael said,whenn she got childrens,she was not that crasy sex and trauble centrik person anymore.And at VMA she was wunderfull person to stand up,and tell the whole world,how she feel about Michael situation,and i think,she was ohnest.She is olso very fames,she olso dont have that personal life,like normal peaples.I think,if Michael would be here,who thoughd,he could bring the goodness out of Hitler,he defenetly would say now,Madonna is a good person.
About this rabbi:I dont care,if he got lucky by tapeing Michael thoughs,and i dont care,if he is only after the money.The inportant thing,what Michael said,hes words.I think,if thay was tapeing all this talks,maybe Michael realy whant to tell the world hes feelings,and if he did,we have to lissen,even,if he is gon now!I think,this rabbi guy didnt talk negative about Michael.
I didnt hear,he was blame the fans.I just heared in the show,that Michael what so much,that peaples would look at hem as a human being,and he whanted to talk with them,but peaples didnt hear hes voice,and thay still sreamed:Michael-Michael!This is all,i heared about fans,wich is probably true,cose,i heared this before.


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 11:25 am ET

Celine
SLM September 30th, 2009 10:47 am ET

Did anyone really think Madonna was a nice person?

HELL NO-


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 11:33 am ET

Yes kiki,thats the biggest problem.Still many peaples think,he was a childmolester.Thats destroied he life.The other things was not so bad.Peaples talked about hes cosmetik surgeris,and hes skyn color changeing,but still,thay loved hem.The biggest gilty peaples to distroyed he life,who said,he molestate them kids.The ironik,he was save one of life,and thats,what Michael got back price.Distroyed hem totaly.


Cocovelvet   September 30th, 2009 11:34 am ET

Celine,

did we think Madonna was a nice person ??..........ofcorse not, just as it was also indicated by the men in her life, i think she is somehow a control-freak.


Cocovelvet   September 30th, 2009 11:35 am ET

Hi Mariau, Linda , Kiki and Stu... 🙂


solty   September 30th, 2009 11:37 am ET

What kind of world would we live in if people who claimed to be your friend disclosed personal conversations? MJ had this man on his s##t list, that should tell everyone how he felt about him Somewhere along their friendship the rabbi did something to hurt MJ and thats why I won't be buying his book. I hope the Jackson estate sues him!


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 11:37 am ET

Hi Cocovelvet! 🙂


mariau   September 30th, 2009 11:37 am ET

Hi cocovelvet, Linda, stu and kiki 🙂 🙂 how you doin ladies???
hope everything's fine. 🙂 🙂 🙂

for me it's normal when Michael said Madonna is not nice..


mariau   September 30th, 2009 11:39 am ET

We are not blind!!! we knew Madonna had darkest past, She was Playboy magazine model.. so what if Michael said that ..

it is controversial of this Rabbi desperate celebrity..


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 11:41 am ET

Hi Mariau!
But Michael olso said,she was jallus!


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 11:42 am ET

Solty!I missed this.What happend betvine Michael and rabbi?


Angela   September 30th, 2009 11:45 am ET

Hi Larry! I watched Rabbi (whatever) last night on your show.That is truly crossing the line. This tape are eight yrs. old Michael did not leak them out when he was a living.This guy is not nor was he ever a friend. He is trying to get a pay day! off of Michael.It is so sad that people are so greedy for money you know the old saying MONEY IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL! I am so glad i am not rich as far as money. Yes it has it good values but as we have seen it has it downfalls. A lot of those people around Michael were just vultures,& demons. He did not deserve to be treated like that .He needed to meet down to earth people, who did not want anything but friendship,believe or not we do exist . I am so sorry that i never got the chance to meet the Man, the person,the human,.Everyday my heart hurts for you .xoxoxox


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 11:45 am ET

Hi everyone:
I heard the tapes last night on CNN and there was too that much that I heard that Michael's fans didn't already know. Okay so we heard how he felt about Brooke, Tatum and Lisa Marie–Did we really need to know that–I personally did not. The tapes once again show what a wonderful human being Michael Jackson was and how totally misunderstood he was. The media needs to pay close attention to these tapes because maybe then they will see Michael Jackson for the wonderful human being that he was and maybe then they will see how their constant cruelty and taunting play a part in his death. It was great to hear Michael speak for himself which I hope clears up a lot misconceptions about him, he deserves to be seen as the exemplary human being that he was .


mariau   September 30th, 2009 11:46 am ET

stu – it's seems to me that Michael was just sharing his deepest emotional feelings to this Rabbi, and supposedly it shouldn't be broadcast and reveal..
this converstation it's like a fatherly talked.. but the Rabbi is a plastic Human being.. MJ trusted him so much..


mariau   September 30th, 2009 11:50 am ET

Linda – very well said.. and also.. Remember Michael was a human being.. so what!!! it's normal to say something.. not nice!!!!
Hey Rabbi
so what.. do you think we can just turn our heads to Michael..

EVEN YOU PUBLISH MILLION BOOKS ABOUT MICHAEL NO ONE WOULD TURN HEADS TO HIM..

JUST BURN YOUR BOOKS TOGETHER YOUR SOUL IN HELL.


Kara   September 30th, 2009 11:52 am ET

OK, so my feeling on this one would be, if you want to project to people the thoughts and emotions of a man who had so many ups and downs in life... only project the positive...

Why anyway are these tapes being shared with the media and the public? I would think this would have been a confidential recording. If a book of this was never written while he was alive, then most likly Michael did not want it written, so just as so many others... Rabbi is using his death to now do what Michael most likly never wanted in life.


Holland   September 30th, 2009 11:55 am ET

ENOUGH WITH THESE GARBAGE RABBI.

WHAT'S GOING ON WITH THE INVESTIGATION???

IS LAPD SLEEPING ON THE JOB?


Marmoura   September 30th, 2009 12:01 pm ET

who cares! our perception of people over time changes based on circumstance. This was years ago! I wonder if you asked Madonna what she thought about herself years ago....she probably would admit that she could have been more gracious and kind. besides, Michael would have warmly welcomed her especially after her VMA tribute.

that's all that matters.


MaryRM   September 30th, 2009 12:04 pm ET

Michael Jackson International Man of Mystery? I thought that was Austen Powers. Honestly, I never saw Michael as mysterious, he carried his heart on his sleeve from what I could see and his thoughts and fears in his music. Maybe the media cannot understand goodness combined with intelligence and talent and therefore call him a mystery.

At any rate, that label along with all the others they burdened him with, is ridiculous and written to incite tabloid voyeurism.

As far as Boteach's inability to help Michael, during a Q&A session with students at the Vancouver Me to We Day for Free the Children, His Holiness, the Dalai Lama said that "compassion doesn't mean being a lame duck but maintaining a basic level of respect towards even those who challenge you. The industrialized world has paid enough attention to education BUT NOT ENOUGH TO PROMOTING EMPATHY", he added.

Now this is a man of God.


Céline - FR   September 30th, 2009 12:05 pm ET

I think this rabbi is a miserable opportunist who’s ultimate aim is money and fame

I read somewhere that he took advantage of Michael’s kindness and generousity and stole his – money which was supposed to go to charity $100.000– and then ran

no wonder he’s in Michael’s enemies list

ironically this rabbi and martin basher were introduced to Michael by an other opportunist – the israeli uri geller –

and all three of them were in the list ….


Anne   September 30th, 2009 12:08 pm ET

Linda
I would love to hear all 30 hours of MJ's tapes. Listening to the brief talk about Ryan White is very revealing. As you know, Ryan White suffered a great deal from prejudice as a child because he had AIDS. It was at a time when this nation was as terrified of AIDS as it was of terrorism after 9 -11. For Michael Jackson to invite him to his ranch while he was ill, was a hugely courageous, selfless, and amazing thing do to. I was a nurse then and even nurses tried to refuse to take care of AIDS patients. He could have just sent a check to an AIDs charity but instead he got personally involved. I think there are many instances of MJ doing exactly that. Writing the song "Gone Too Soon" was just icing on the cake. I wish we could hear more stories like that.


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 12:16 pm ET

Mariau,but if it was just a privat talk,why thay tape it?

What i dont like,that this rabbi now told everybody,what Michael told about peaples maybe not nice things


MaryRM   September 30th, 2009 12:18 pm ET

Anne – “We killed Michael Jackson – all of us – including those of us who stood silently by watching it all happen on tv..

That is why so many of us have feelings of guilt. I wish we could have gotten together as a group when Michael was alive the way we are now, to be a loud voice of defense. I didn't read tabloids and thought I was doing the right thing, that only idiots read or believed that level of nonsense.

I think the sell-out of the 02 tickets made Michael realize how much we still care, but it is sad if he thought that was only adulation of an icon. we could all see his great humanity, I wish and hope he did see that fans had a genuine affection for him as a person, not an icon


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 12:24 pm ET

Maryrm
I really hope so too that Michael realized before is death the love that his fans had for him was unconditional and that one of the things that we love about him was his open heart. My god, will there ever be another celebrity with as much humanity as Michael Jackson? I don't think so!!!!!


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 12:25 pm ET

Stu-I agree–He could have edited some things-


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 12:28 pm ET

Personaly i didnt know olmost nothing about Michael as a person,only hes musik and entertaining.I didnt know,what happend with that kids eider.I didnt know,what was the trough.Only thing,i could doo,is hopeing,he will be innocent.But yes,i feel guilti too,even,probebly i could never got close to Michael,even,if i whanted too...I think,many peaples didnt know much about hes life.Only in US was the media around hem,and so negative.But now,i wish,we could be togeather ,when he was a life,and give our voice,like now.I agree with that MaryRM.


Tina (Germany)   September 30th, 2009 12:29 pm ET

People who remember how Madonna was at that time will understand why he reacted this way. Even Madonna will understand it, They were both totaly different. I have no problem how Madonna was at that time, I am ok with it. But I can imagine that it wasn't ok for Michael Jackson.
Madonna said herself on her speech on the VMA's that she tried to get him to do things he didn't want and failed because he wasn't like this. So what? Michael Jackson told the truth and Madonna also. She was a wild chick at that time, nothing wrong with that, but it was wrong for MJ and she knew it.

So no harm done really.


carol   September 30th, 2009 12:31 pm ET

i just hope that anyone famous hasn't confided in either the Rabbi or Deepak Chopra. Michael cut both out of these men out of his life many yrs ago which is why both are making the rounds of talk shows (since the day he died)violating every trust imaginable, under the guise of 'friendship". It is hard to believe either one of these men is still in the position of trust. It is beyond disgaceful how low they will sink for their 15 minutes.

If the Rabbi wanted to release these tapes to show how human Michael was he could have released them anytime over the last several years.

The people he trusted the most are now betraying him in the most ugliest of ways. Larry King has turned into tabloid tv for ratings & the Rabbi peddling his book has found the perfect forum. Win, win for both.

Larry, wait until you are gone. Are your so called friends going to be coming out of the woodwork detailing every intimate detail of your life, whether it is true or not?The irony will be that they will probably appear on your own show with a new host looking for ratings.


akshara   September 30th, 2009 12:32 pm ET

everybody have a personnel life?

why is Mj's being made public? larry would you like ur conversations be taped and played in all channels 24/7 ....with assumptions made by a rabbi?

time that the journalists grew up!!


mariau   September 30th, 2009 12:34 pm ET

Stu – we know it's private.. the Rabbi was desperately need money to tarnish his lavish life style so he need to sell and cash in Michael..
see stu, how evil this world even they called themselves a servant of God..
How could you trust him?? actually this negative effects is not for Michael it's for RAbbi he degrading himself for the sake of money..


lola   September 30th, 2009 12:38 pm ET

MJ"s reason for making these tapes was not to make money for Schmuley. If Schmuley really had good intentions, he would donate ALL money from this book to one of MJ's chariities, because that is what Mj would have wanted. Until that happens, it is obvious Schmuley is only after his own financial gain at any cost.--even betraying a "friend".


lee storm   September 30th, 2009 12:42 pm ET

Why would a Rabbi would disclose this information except this guy is just looking for cash and notoriety. So sad to me....and he should be ashamed of himself.....


sarah   September 30th, 2009 12:45 pm ET

hi every1... so many MJ blogs thats gr8...

leave Michael alone, still talking about what he said so many years ago... can't a guy get a break .... Can't believe this so called Rabbi friend would do this to Michael's image & name for few bucks ....so wrong & heart breaking ...


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 12:50 pm ET

Tina!
But Michael olso said on the tape,that Madonna was jallus...That is not about the stripclub or the alkohol.

Mariau,but if it was privat,why thay would tape it?I would think,it was privat,the things,what he said was secret things,but why thay tape it then?


mariau   September 30th, 2009 12:55 pm ET

Michael trusted Schmuley so much.. we all know that Michael was looking a fatherly images to him.. he said that he was lack of love from his father, so Mj was hungry to find that love who could be like his father.. unfortunately, not the Rabbi.. the way MJ spoke to his soul this means he lay down his cards to someone who was dear to him..
Rabbi will not get rich for selling this tape of MJ, even he have profit from this.. it will just come and go.. Schmuley ruined his life not MJ's life..
Schmuley ruined his faith and spritual behavior for the sake of fame and money. i have much pity on this Rabbi much plenty of filth in his soul than anyone of us.
Michael Jackson will forever no matter what they say.. but the Rabbi will come and go.. He's a disgraceful


mariau   September 30th, 2009 12:59 pm ET

stu- i think Michael had no idea that was recorded or taped. i think MJ had no idea taping their conversation, because if Michael knew i guess he will not speak to his soul.. this is betrayal.. that conversation was like talking to your dearest friend about everything.. who knows..
the Rabbi had dirty intentions and he had planned this things. so he just waited Michael to die..
Rabbi is a Rubbish in his community..


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 1:00 pm ET

Pour Michael,how many peaples around hem,call them selfs friende,all after money...This things was very secret stuff,its very rude to tell the whole world,and the negastive things,that Michael said about some peaples,now all is not secret anymore...But this guy was not close friende of Michael,why thay would tape all this?


Tina (Germany)   September 30th, 2009 1:01 pm ET

@Stu – really, I even say sometimes things about relevants or my best friend, I even say it into their faces and guess what, they can stand it they discuss it with me and sometimes they share my opinion about themselves and sometime snot.
The world isn't pink colored only and it is also not black and white, it is has many different shades. People get into figths, people say mean things to each others, people regret what they said and people yell at each other and then have peace again.
Why is MJ not allowed to do that?
No one of you ever thought: My mother is getting on my nerves. Or my best friend sometimes is really annoying with this or that? Or thought about a co worker: What an freaking idiot.
That doesn't mean we are all bad people and only talk bad and have mean minds or even hate our parenst or hate our co worker.
It is human. People who say they are only full of good thougths and are only thinking nice about everyone are plain and simple liars.
We are all jealous sometimes, we are angry sometimes, we even use white lies now and then, we have bad thougths, we behave bad sometimes, and so on....
Why making a drama about MJ saying something about Madonna, and honestly is it that bad really ?


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 1:01 pm ET

Mariau,yes he had.He said,whenn he was talk about Madonna,that he dony like to say on the tape,that Madonna is not nice...


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:03 pm ET

an act of betrayal should not be tolerated, the Rabbi is bad influenced to any other God servants.. if this will continue then it's scary to confence to any Rabbi or God servants.


**mj**   September 30th, 2009 1:05 pm ET

MY TAPES SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. DO NOT BLAME THE MESSENGER, BUT THE PRESS WILL MISQUOTE ME EVEN AFTER MY "DEATH".

L.O.V.E.U. Michael


sarah   September 30th, 2009 1:06 pm ET

OMG **mj** came


sarah   September 30th, 2009 1:07 pm ET

are u going to talk to stay here for a while **mj**


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:08 pm ET

stu – it's normal to say not nice to some person that you've had experienced something that against your will.. i guess Michael said that because there's some incident between Madona and him..
it's normal stu.. what is abnormal is the Rabbi, he released this tape to public.. that's an act of abnormalities..
i'ts normal, Michael just a human being like you like me can say not nice he didn't feel good for something.


Anne   September 30th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

I think MJ remembered from the days when he wrote his autobiography Moonwalk with Jackie Onasis that books have to have a bit of spice in them to sell. So he gave him a little gossip. I just wish he had written the book himself. He made the same mistake twice – never lose control over your story. He gave Bashir the freedom to edit his documentary which was disastrous and he made the tapes for Boteach to write whatever whenever he wanted to.


Barbara   September 30th, 2009 1:12 pm ET

**mj** what is it that you would like us to truly know.

Love you Michael


sarah   September 30th, 2009 1:15 pm ET

@ **mj** that what we are trying to understand why even release the tapes coz eventually press will make a mockery of your name ....why risk it .....


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:17 pm ET

@**mj** – just someone who wants us to believe that Michael Jackson is still alive.. he just playing with us. but sorry i wont buy you..


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:18 pm ET

sarah – because that truth **mj** is the one who's mockery us.. 🙂


Barbara   September 30th, 2009 1:19 pm ET

Was Larry okay last night? He did not look well.


Tina (Germany)   September 30th, 2009 1:19 pm ET

OH please not again, leaving this block when people start to answer this guy again... really...I am too old for this circus. Sorry....


sarah   September 30th, 2009 1:21 pm ET

@ mariau i will keep an open mind about everything, that is somewhat possible but never impossible ........ 🙂


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:21 pm ET

Tina – yes.. we're too old believing someone like **mj**


Barbara   September 30th, 2009 1:25 pm ET

“Believe none of what you hear and half of what you see.”


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 1:25 pm ET

hi mariau stu anne and not to forget**mj** and all the others


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 1:25 pm ET

mj
I haven't had the pleasure–Who are you exactly?


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:26 pm ET

sarah – is not nice!!! **mj** is just a blogger a stranger he/she can use thousands name.. please just have faith that Michael wont do such kind of mockery..

remember Sarah if ever Michael will do such kind fraud, of course he will do it perfectly and blogging is very bad idea..

if ever Michael is still alive.. He will not say even one single word in blogs to announce that he is still alive... again.. MJ will do it perfectly.. just think about it.


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:27 pm ET

hi jacqueline from holland how are you? 🙂


Anne   September 30th, 2009 1:27 pm ET

I think the "mj" is silly but he does have a valid point. All the fuss about Boteach is obscuring MJ's message that he was trying to get out by making the tapes.

For example, the story about Madonna actually shows how much of a goody goody he was. He was a total innocent. He loved Disney Land so much that even Madonna knew it. He refused to go to strip clubs and was afraid to see transvestites. He thought she was mean for being rude to the children. She was too R rated for him. His observations say a lot about him not her. People are missing that.


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 1:27 pm ET

linda i would like to know that too


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 1:28 pm ET

im fine mariau and you?


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 1:30 pm ET

Anne–I
agree with you–Why let the comment about Madonna overshadow what Michae was trying to say. I enjoyed listening to the tapes. Listening them I was like–Good for you MIchael–let the whole world know who you are so they can stop making stuff up.


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:31 pm ET

@ hi jacqueline from holland how are you? 🙂


sarah   September 30th, 2009 1:33 pm ET

@ mariau are u calling me not nice or **mj** i am confused ....anyway i understand what u are saying but we can't be rude to**mj** or to say to go away don't blog here etc...if that how he/she deals with death of Michael i can't tell him or her to buzz off.....i am not trying to offend anyone here ... no hard feeling .... 🙂


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:33 pm ET

@ i mean i'm good thanks jacqueline 🙂

anne – i gree with you about Michael He thought she was mean for being rude to the children. She was too R rated for him. His observations say a lot about him not her. People are missing that.


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 1:35 pm ET

MJ
first we had the informer trying to make us believe that Michael was still alive, now you come on trying to make his fans believe the same thing-why do people come on here and try to insult our intelligence. Am I suppose to believe that you are Michael Jackson. I don't think so.

Michael Jackson is dead end of story

Please let Michael rest in Peace, he deserves it.


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 1:35 pm ET

i htink that the rabi smuly and boteach taking advantich of michaels dead
like all the others putting him in a bad light
if michael was alife i think he will give his permission to put it all in a book becouse its almost 10 years ago peple can change his\her mind about anyting so that smuly guy has been waiting for the right time to do this so the fans and others buy this book you can see the euro\dollars\pounds in his eyes


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 1:36 pm ET

Hi mariau

mariau–i sent you emails regarding the event. please respond.


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:36 pm ET

sarah – it's a joke to **mj**
Michael Jackson tapes: Madonna ‘is not a nice person’


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 1:37 pm ET

misstake ...he wont give his permission


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:38 pm ET

linda- ok i will read it now.. sorry this past few days too busy..the vegas tribute


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 1:38 pm ET

I will not by the boock.If i can by in Iceland,i will bay Aphrodite Jones boock.


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 1:39 pm ET

Mariau–yes the Michael Jackson Las Vegas Tribute-sent you several emails to team–want to know if you can publicize the event on the internet once we get approval.


sarah   September 30th, 2009 1:40 pm ET

oh ok mariau whooosshh... i thought u called me... lol never mind..... 🙂


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:40 pm ET

jacqueline from holland - very well said
so that smuly guy has been waiting for the right time to do this so the fans and others buy this book you can see the euro\dollars\pounds in his eyes
😀 😀 😀


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 1:41 pm ET

Sarah,i realy like you,but now i have to say,you are in sain!You mean,somebody graiv the vay,that lieing to everybody,that he is Michael,and he is a life?Thats crasy!And speachely hurting the peaples,like you,couse you will wait Michael to come back,but he will NOT!


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:42 pm ET

linda – ok i'm just here.. i can help no problem.. you count on me 🙂 🙂


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:45 pm ET

Jacqueline – who will buy Schmuley book??? Larry King hahaha 🙂


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 1:45 pm ET

Stu
I guess the Informer was not enough?


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:47 pm ET

Jacqueline Did you see Larry expressions last night with Schmuley..
i think Larry wants to have lots of commercial rather than to ask more question.. ITS BORING 😀


Tina (Germany)   September 30th, 2009 1:47 pm ET

Sarah – look at it this way. You don't want to be rude to him or offend him, but e.g. I feel offended by him/her blogging here in this disrespectful way and people believing him or even react on it.

Think about this for a second. He is making jokes about dead people.


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 1:48 pm ET

stu you are wright Michael is dead he"s never comming back even if we want to
if **mj** wants to come on this blog he"s welcome even when i dont understand all the riddles


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 1:49 pm ET

Linda,The Informer was lieing,couse what The Informer said about the futur,didnt come true,so,couse we stoped believe it,it have to change for an other name,and mj hem self the best to make the naive peaples believe it.


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 1:50 pm ET

Yes,he has a wright to come,but not on somebody else name,and dont lie!Lie is what i hate most!


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:50 pm ET

sarah – just be open minded to clean Michael's name.. that's why we are here.. remember this Michael will always live in our heart forever.. hi legacy and music will never die.. that's why you are here.. to continue his legacy and clean his name.. right? 🙂


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 1:50 pm ET

maria iv seen it i taped it all i want to hear was michael voice and the pictures where nice but the rest
just what you said BORING


Tina (Germany)   September 30th, 2009 1:52 pm ET

I never for one second believed any Informer, nor any other person claiming it is a hoax. It was of none importance at all for me, I didn't even read one single comment.


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:53 pm ET

Jacqueline – it's not new, we've heard it long time ago, with Oprah and with Martin Bashir.. it's the same but different deliveration.. right?


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

stu maybe the name**MJ** means my jeans or mary jane we will asked
him\her wen she\him comes again lol


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

Tina – because you're true fans of MJ, you knew him.. that hewill never do such kind of foolish things.


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 1:55 pm ET

100% maria old crap again and again


CherCher   September 30th, 2009 1:55 pm ET

Rabbi Boteach is a big hyprocrite. He betrayed Michael. When Michael was charged with child molestation, I saw Boteach on TV NEWS telling the world that Michael was guilty and a pedophile before the trial had even begun.

Those conversations he taped were done without Michael's knowledge and consent, contrary to what he tells us. Michael is a very shy and private person so no way he would agreed for his private thoughts to be taped and not for the purpose this phony is telling us.

This so called Rabbi is just an opportunist who wants to make a buck off Michael. He befriended Michael for his own agenda. He wouldn't even let the body settle in the grave he has his book out with information we already know and can figure out for ourselves.

I urge Michael fans not to buy this phony Rabbi's book.


mariau   September 30th, 2009 1:56 pm ET

Jacqueline – **MJ** means maybe MY JOLD PANTS HAHAHA 😀 😀


sarah   September 30th, 2009 1:57 pm ET

lolz stu...Hungary..... i am not insane .....seriously i know what you are saying, also @ Tina (Germany) i respect what your views are, at the beginning i didn't believe TI or **mj** but all the things that have happened since June 25th up till now nothing is making sense .....I know what is reality and things like this just don't happened but........ok @ MARIAU ...yes that why we are here you are right .... Not disrespecting anyone .... peace.... 🙂


b   September 30th, 2009 1:57 pm ET

Michael talks about very personal things in the tapes. I feel it shouldn't have been released after Michael's death. He's not here to defend himself. And it was a long time back.
I would definitely buy the book, if it included only Michael's conversations with no judgments and assumptions. And if the money was to be donated to a charity.


Tina (Germany)   September 30th, 2009 1:58 pm ET

mariau – no not because I am a fan, more because I am a realistic, adult person and stand on the earth with both feet. 🙂


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 1:58 pm ET

i think that the informer and**mj**are the same person


mariau   September 30th, 2009 2:00 pm ET

Tina – yes you're right and smart 🙂


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 2:00 pm ET

Whats dont make sense?How i know,LAPD and many others investigateing,and thay dont whant to make a misstake,so,its all in secret.I hope,its true!Nothing to not to understand.The way,how he died,is strange,but i hope,in the and thay will tell us,what happend exactly.He had a funeral.Do you think,he would fule everybody?


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 2:01 pm ET

tina i think that we all stand on both feet

if were not than someting is wrong whit one of our legs lol


mariau   September 30th, 2009 2:03 pm ET

jacqueline – "TI" – MEANS THE INSANE right? 🙂


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 2:04 pm ET

stu it doesnt make sense it makes me sad every day that we dont here anything anymore about michaels investegation


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 2:05 pm ET

sounds good maria


mariau   September 30th, 2009 2:05 pm ET

stu – you're right Michael would not fool anybody esp his own children his own family and billion of fans.


mariau   September 30th, 2009 2:06 pm ET

jacqueline and stu – i think the family lawyer were doing their best ..


mariau   September 30th, 2009 2:08 pm ET

stu and Jacqueline – i think they dont want to say anything right now in the public.. so that the vultures wont know their actions. they're keeping it secret right now..


Tina (Germany)   September 30th, 2009 2:09 pm ET

Something nice to think about. The most weird stories comming out in the US. There they know people like DD and NG and so on. I bet that if you go on the street in your country and ask the first 100, or 1000 or even 10.000 people if they know this people no one will know them at all, but all of them know MJ. Their influence all over the world is close to nothing.
My husband don't know them, my parents don't, friends don't, people at work don't. The people working in the bakery don't know them.
So, I would say, do not worry too much about what those people say. Several billion people in China don't know them either.
They cannot ruin his name really, because they have NO influence really.


Mila   September 30th, 2009 2:10 pm ET

I bet if we ask Madonna about how she was back in these days she too would agree that she wasn't a nice person at all.

Her image was to be a "nasty b***h" and she was pretty much living it up.
She changed completely after her daughter was born and I still think that her speech at the VMA was heartfelt.


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 2:11 pm ET

i think the chideren prince,paris and blanket they will miss there father
they dont need to here all this crap about the tapes and what happening now
so ribbi boteach dd oprah and all the others think of these children dont do this to them


CherCher   September 30th, 2009 2:11 pm ET

I find it amazing how many of you on this blog from all over the world have figured out how phony this lying Rabbi, Mr. Boteach, is.

He had the gall to tape Michael Jackson without his knowledge and consent and then try to make money off it. I can imaging that he was leading Michael with his questions and doctoring the tape for his own purpose. In Hell there is a special place waiting from people like him. Some of these Rabbis mistreat women at their temple and are some of the biggest adulterers on the planet.

No way would Michael make those statements had he known that this guy was taping him. Michael was already done with this man a long time ago when he betrayed him. This Rabbi is just a attention seeker who is trying to make a buck off the late entertainer. Don't buy his book, it is not real.


Tina (Germany)   September 30th, 2009 2:12 pm ET

hehe jacqueline I translated a german phrase that might not make sense in english, not standing on both feed means your are somewhat not down to earth and believe fantasy things.


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 2:13 pm ET

Yes Tina,you are wright,this is only going on in US.


Lisa S   September 30th, 2009 2:13 pm ET

Come on guys, you dont need to bash Madonna just becasue she happens to be mentioned in this interview. It is not about her. I think Madonna is a dignified woman and she has contributed so much to the music world, expecially in the 80´s. What Michael thought about her in the 80's is not necessary what he thought about her 2009, but either way, it wont change my opinion about her.

You will discover more uncomfrotable truth about Michael as time goes by. He lived for a half century on this earth and I sure he had done several things he regret afterwards. I just listen to everything about Mihcael and look at it in the context of the time it was said in. I think he rather tried to impress the Rabbi and show his that he was not at all into that life style (strip bar etc) rather than bashin madonna.


mariau   September 30th, 2009 2:13 pm ET

Tina – very well said 🙂 yes.. also here they dont know them only the King of Pop.. Michael jackson.. they knew he was framed up for his 2 charges and acquitted found not guilty.. they believed that Michael was really framed up.. because of his fame and money..
in this country even the children knew him.. they can say only two words in english.. Michael Jackson..


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 2:16 pm ET

tina
for me its dificult i think in dutch than i have to put it in english and vica versa


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 2:16 pm ET

Hi Lisa S,i said the same thing,peaples changes in time,Madonna changed.After this,if Michael is woching down,sure,he changed hes minde too.


jacqueline from holland   September 30th, 2009 2:18 pm ET

mariau tina stu and lis i have to go now my daughter want the computer
maybe i see you tonight or tomorow


mariau   September 30th, 2009 2:19 pm ET

Jacqueline – i think some media were heartless so they dont care of MJ's chidlren.. they care only for money.. their reputation being a journalist not anymore.. it's only about pounds/Euro/ dollars. as you said before


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 2:20 pm ET

See you Jacquelin then tomorrow!I dont come at night 🙂 I go to sleap.


Anne   September 30th, 2009 2:20 pm ET

Tina You are right. Here in the US we think he is ours but he wasn't . He was an international superstar. He belongs to the world.


ttw   September 30th, 2009 2:21 pm ET

First it was said that this was an 'exclusive' on CNN Larry King. Actually it wasn't, NBC Dateline had Rabbi Shmuley Boteach on a few nights back and was running the tapes.

Talk about getting on the money wagon. I think it was completely disrespectful & disgusting of Shmuley to release these tapes period. Back stabber!

Shmuley is like so many others, trying to make a 'buck' off of MJ!!

RIP MJ or at least try to if that's possible.


shaun   September 30th, 2009 2:22 pm ET

that was tasteless and poor journalism,helping that con man,your friend rabbi to hawk his book,i wont watch Larry king again,his true colors came out again.Then he smiles at the end with a wolf in sheep's clothing hawk a $1.9c ipod or some crap.i hope this comes back on you.maybe get some suspenders to hold your shoulders up so your man enough to ask the tough questions,but maybe you got royalties from your buddy the rabbi.


Lisa S   September 30th, 2009 2:23 pm ET

Hi Stu!


mariau   September 30th, 2009 2:23 pm ET

Anne – Michael Jackson is belong to the world.. that's why you are lucky.. Michael is African American he raised the American flag all over the world.. but he was taken for grandted by some Americans.


Tina (Germany)   September 30th, 2009 2:24 pm ET

@ Anne – very well said. He belonged to the world and I am sure he would have been welcome in many countries to live there. But you know home is home, I wished he would had never returned to the US, I am sure many things would have ended differently. But it was his home.


**mj**   September 30th, 2009 2:26 pm ET

5 Dublin Cotteges
Dublin, Foxrock Dublin 22
IE


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 2:27 pm ET

Did anybody understand this?


sarah   September 30th, 2009 2:28 pm ET

what that **mj** address of some sort ???


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 2:28 pm ET

***mj*** i give you my skype name,please,show your face to mee!


mariau   September 30th, 2009 2:29 pm ET

and one thing more Anne – we dont have ET or the insider or or Nancy grace here.. only Cnn..

Tina is right.. don't worry..


Tina (Germany)   September 30th, 2009 2:30 pm ET

Well I can also give you an adress in Germany.. I know many...


mariau   September 30th, 2009 2:30 pm ET

Hi Lisa S – how are you? hope everything's fine 🙂 🙂


shaun   September 30th, 2009 2:31 pm ET

Larry king i hope they do the same with your life,like you allowed people to do with mikeys on your show.your all about fame and money Larry,you and the rabbi flock together.Those recordings sounded like a hidden mike,but you just let your shrunken shoulders fall with every word,it looked like your suspenders were going to rip through your shoulders.you looked like a mouse of a man as you let this so called friend of Jackson betray him.did you see a contract larry that mike wanted this out in a book.but im sure they only post the people who praise you larry,but you showed no class.i seen beggars not sell their soul the way you betrayed the Jackson family.i am glad i never watched it all,it was sickening.


maria   September 30th, 2009 2:52 pm ET

I AM VERY DISAPPOINTED WITH CNN FOR CHOOSING THE ABSOLUTE WORST PICTURE OF MJ. I CANT HELP BUT WONDER WHY CNN CHOOSES THE MOST UNFLATTERING PHOTO, WHEN FOR A FACT YOU DO HAVE MORE PHOTOS OF MJ LOOKING MORE ATTRACTIVE, OR AT LEAST MORE PRESENTABLE. (IN ALL HONESTY, I WOULD LIKE CNN TO PUBLICLY ADDRESSE THIS ISSUE- AND TELL THE PUBLIC WHAT THEIR TRUE INTENTIONS ARE FOR POSTING THE MOST UNFLATTERING PHOTO)

I CONSIDER THE RABBI-A FRENEMY-– SOMEONE WHO ACTS LIKE A FRIEND- BUT IN REALITY HAS ALTERIOR MOTIVES. IN MY OPINION, THE RABBI'S REAL INTENTION FOR THE BOOK ON MJ, IS FINANCIAL GAIN AND PROFIT. ONCE AGAIN EXPLOITING MJ AND MJ'S FAMILY FOR THE MIGHTY DOLLAR. VERY, VERY, SAD. YES, MONEY, & THE DOLLAR BILLS, ARE VERY INTICING AND LURING.
IF THE RABBI WAS MORE OF AN ETHICAL PERSON HE'D UNDERSTAND THAT THE JACKSON FAMILY HAS BEEN THROUGH A LOT, WHILE MICHAEL WAS LIVING, AND EVEN NOW THAT MICHAELS GONE. WHY CONTINUE CREATING PAIN AND CONTROVERSY FOR THE JACKSONS. WHY...FOR THE MIGHTY DOLLAR...FOR FINANCIAL PROFIT AND FINANCIAL GAIN. THE RABBI IS CHOOSING TO PUBLICLY BETRAY THE JACKSON FAMILY, DISREGARD THE JACKSONS FAMILYS FEELINGS OF CONFEDENTIALITY.....THIS IS WHY I CALL THE RABBI A FRENEMY. SOMEONE WHO PRETENDS TO BE A FRIEND- BUT IN REALTY IS AN ENEMY.

I DO NOT CONDONE ABUSE IN ANY WAY, SHAPE, OR FORM. I REALIZED THAT MICHAEL DID SUFFER FROM PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL ABUSE FROM HIS FATHER, AND MICHAEL WAS PAINED FROM THIS, THROUGHOUT HIS LIFETIME. I ALSO BELIEVE, THAT JOE JACKSON (MICHAEL'S FATHER) HAS BEEN PUBLICLY HUMILIATED ON THIS ISSUE ON SEVERAL OCCASSIONS AS WELL. YES, ACCORDING TO MICHAEL HE WAS ABUSED BY HIS DAD..AND FOR ANY CHILD SUFFERING FROM ABUSE–THE CONSEQUENCE IS EMOTIONAL SCARS, FOR MICHAEL AND THOUSANDS OR MILLIONS OF OTHER CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN ABUSED. LET'S ALL KEEP IN MIND THE ABUSE TOOK PLACE APPROXIMATELY 30 OR 40 YEARS AGO..YES, AND FOR MICHAEL @ THE AGE OF 5O HE WAS STILL SCARRED BY IT, AND FROM IT..
I AM GREEK, AND UNFORTUNATELY, MY FATHER WAS PHYSICALLY ABUSIVE, TO MY SIBLINGS THE MOST, I ALSO GOT HIT BUT NOT AS MUCH AS MY SIBLINGS, AS I WAS THE YOUNGEST.
MY FATHER IN LAW WAS ALSO PHYSICALLY ABUSIVE TO MY HUSBAND- WHEN MY HUSBAND WAS A CHILD AS WELL. YES, MY SIBLINGS, MY HUSBAND DID SUFFER AS CHILDREN, YES I SUFFERED SEEING MY SIBLINGS GETTING WHIPPED. A FEW OF MY GIRLFRIENDS ADMITTED TO ME THAT THEIR FATHERS WHIPPED, AND SLAPPED THEIR FACES, AS KIDS. AND YES, AS KIDS, ALL OF THESE KIDS HATED THEIR FATHERS FOR THE ABUSIVE BEHAVIOURS.... (JUST TO CLARIFY NOT ALL GREEK MEN WERE TAUGHT TO BE ABUSIVE)- THIS WAS MY FAMILY'S EXPERIENCE) BOTH MY FATHER AND MY FATHER IN LAW HAVE PASSED AWAY. AS MY HUSBAND AND I LOOK BACK ,OUR FATHERS WERE GOOD MEN. THEY TOO WERE VICTIMS OF PHYSICAL ABUSE- AND BECAME OLD SCHOOL TYPE OF DISCIPLINARIANS.(AND REPEATED THE PATTERN OF ABUSE). AT THAT TIME, 30 YEARS AGO THEY REALLY DIDN'T KNOW BETTER. THEY WERE TAUGHT- THAT IN ORDER FOR YOUR KIDS TO LEARN AND BECOME BETTER PEOPLE- KIDS NEED TO GET WHIPPED INTO SHAPE. I BELIEVE THIS IS A VERY, VERY, STUPID AND DAMAGING MENTALITY FOR ANYONE TO HAVE. UNFORTUNATELY, THATS HOW SOME OF OUR PARENTS WERE TAUGHT 30, 40 OR EVEN 50 YEARS AGO. THOSE STUPID AND NEGATIVE DISCIPLINARIAN MEASURES(A.K.A PHYSICAL ABUSE) WERE INSTILLED AND ENGRAINED IN THEIR MINDS @ A VERY EARLY AGE . HENCE, BECOMING ABUSERS. AS OUR FATHERS GOT OLDER, THEY SAW AND WITNESSED THE EMOTIONAL SCARS THEIR ADULT CHILDREN HAD. AND LET ME TELL YOU..THERE WAS NO WAY OF ESCAPING THE TRUTH- THE TRUTH OF WHAT THEIR STUPID PHYSICAL AND EMOTIONAL ABUSE DID TO THEIR ADULT CHILDREN. LET ME TELL YOU OUR FATHERS FELT DEEP REGRET, DEEP REMORSE, AND GUILT......IN THE END WE LOOK AT OUR FATHERS WITH AN OBJECTIVE POINT OF VIEW. YOUNG BOYS WHO WERE RAISED IN A GREEK VILLAGE, COMING TO CANADA WITH A DREAM FOR SUCCESS A BETTER LIFE. TAKING CARE OF THEIR OF THEIR PATERNAL FAMILIES FINANCIALLY, ASWELL AS TAKING CARE OF THEIR OWN FAMILY'S FINANCIALLY .LITERALLY COMING FROM GREECE POOR, WORKING EXTREMELY HARD TO BUILD AND TO CREATE. AND MEN @ THAT TIME HAD EVEN MORE PRESSURE ON THEM; TO BE THE BREADWINNER OF EXEPTIONALLY LARGE FAMILIES. ITS SAD TO SAY THEY DIDN'T KNOW BETTER, THEY WERENT PROPERLY EDUCATED, AND HAD NO CLUE AS HOW TO COMMUNICATE EFFECTIVELY WITH THEIR CHILDREN- INSTEAD OF HITTING. BOTTOM LINE..... TODAY AS A SOCIETY, WE ARE BETTER EDUCATED, WE SEE THE AFTERMATH AND THE CONSEQUENCES OF WHAT ABUSE DOES TO PEOPLE. POINT........IM PRETTY SURE JOE JACKSON IS REGRETTFUL OF HIS STUPID PHYSICAL VIOLENCE TOWARDS HIS CHILDREN.... BOTTOM LINE OUR FATHERS LOVED US THE WAY THEY KNEW HOW TO LOVE US. THEIR INTENTIONS WERE THAT WE BECOME GOOD PEOPLE IN SOCIETY... FORGIVENESS IS KEY, IN ORDER TO MOVE ON PRODUCTIVELY IN ONES LIFE.... I WILL TELL YOU ONE THING WHENEVER WE DID NEED OUR FATHERS THEY WERE THERE FOR US IMMEDIATELY. IT SEEMS LIKE JOE JACKSON ACCOMPANIED MICHAEL JACKSON EVERY DAY THROUGHT MICHAELS TRIAL. JOE JACKSON WAS THERE FOR MICHAEL, PHISICALL AND EMOTIONALLY. IM SURE AS A FATHER JOE HATED SEEING HIS GROWN SON IN A FRAGILE AND DELICATE STATE. THAT IN MY OPINION, WAS AND IS A REMINDER TO JOE OF THE PAIN MICHAEL SUFFERED AS A KID....................... IN THE END I BELIEVE, OR AT LEAST I REMAIN HOPEFUL, THAT EVERYONE LEARNS THEIR LESSONS. AS FOR JOE JACKSON AND OTHER ABUSIVE FATHERS, I BELIEVE THEY FEEL TORTURED WHEN THEY SEE THEIR ADULT CHILDRENS LIVING SPLINTERED LIVES.

***LASTLY, I THINK IT'S INAPPROPRIATE, THAT THE RABBI OPEN ANOTHER CAN OF WORMS-THIS TIME INCLUDING THAT JANET AND MICHAEL WOULDN'T CARE TO SEE THEIR FATHERS DEAD IN A COFFIN.****** IM SURE THEY FELT THAT WAY AS CHILDREN, AND PROBABLY YOUNG ADULTS....MOST CHILDREN WHO SUFFERED PHYSICAL ABUSE FEEL LIKE THEY HATE THEIR FATHERS, IT'S NORMAL......BUT LET ME TELL YOU ONCE THE FATHER PASSES AWAY, YOU REMEMBER THE GOOD, THE BAD AND THE UGLY.. IN THE END AT LEAST MY HUSBAND AND I HONESTLY FELT THEY REALLY DID THE BEST THEY COULD IN LIFE, HAD SEVERAL ACCOMPLISHMENTS, MAY NOT HAVE APPROVED OF THEIR STUPID (PHYSICAL ABUSIVE BEHAVIOUR) BUT WE FIND SOLICE IN KNOWING THAT THEIR INTENTIONS WERE ALL GOOD, BUT THEY JUST DIDN'T KNOW BETTER @ THE TIME. IN THE END, IT IS WHAT IT IS, AND WE CHOOSE TO REMEMBER OUR FATHERS WITH THEIR STRENGTHS AND THEIR WEAKNESSES..................................... AND I CAN ONLY REMAIN HOPEFUL THAT PARENTS TODAY, HAVE LEARNED FROM THE MISTAKES FROM PARENTS IN THE PAST. COMMUNICATE AND LOVE THEIR CHILDREN IN A POSITIVE CONSTRUCTIVE MANNER, TO HELP BUILD EMOTIONAL HEALTHY CHILDREN.


Maria   September 30th, 2009 2:57 pm ET

LOOOL Tina, that was great!


Anne   September 30th, 2009 3:00 pm ET

I wish MJ stayed in Ireland if that is where he was happy.

I just read a lot of reviews of the book on amazon from people who read it and it sounds like Boteach was very judgmental and critical of MJ. And MJ probably had a totally different outlook on life in 2009 than he in 2001. It is really unfair to leave the public with the idea that those were his current thoughts.


Maria   September 30th, 2009 3:03 pm ET

I don't see any problem with the picture of MJ. It's from a very respectable source, Getty Images, it's not photoshopped and it's not unflattering – this is the way MJ looked like! I saw hundreds of pics, even on fans' sites – what to do now, censor most of them and use only pics from the "80s and "90s?


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 3:05 pm ET

Maria:
I agree about the picture. I am sure CNN has flattering pictures of Michael, if they don't then Larry King should get some from Jermaine Jackson since they are friends. Micjhael was very photogenic–get some better pictures.


Tina (Germany)   September 30th, 2009 3:11 pm ET

Nowadays the life MJ had as a child would be plain and simple forbidden by law, atleast here in Germany. You would not be able to send a child to a strip bar and sing there or be on TV late nite. Or work the whole day. Law would take your children away, very easy. That is a fact.


Lisa S   September 30th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

Hi Mariau


maria g   September 30th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

OK...IT'S MY PERSONAL OPINION THAT CNN HAS A LOT OF PICTURES TO CHOOSE FROM- TO REPRESENT MJ. I REALLY LIKED MJ A LOT. MOSTLY FOR HIS PERSONALITY, CHARACTER AND HUMANITARIAN ENDEAVOURS. I GUESS I WOULD'VE PREFERED A DIFFERENT PHOTO. I UNDERSTAND SOME PEOPLE THINK IT'S A GREAT PHOTO....I GUESS IT'S A MATTER OF PERSONAL TASTE AND A MATTER OF PERCEPTION. I STILL CAN'T HELP BUT FEEL THAT FOR ME....THIS IS THE WORST PHOTO I'VE SEEN OF MJ. NO MATTER WHAT ANYONE SAYS, THIS IS HOW IFEEL.. BY THE WAY IM NOT TRYING TO CRITICIZE CNN, BECAUSE I ALWAYS CHOOSE TO WATCH ANYTHING NEWS RELATED ON CNN, CNN IS MY PREFERRED NETWORK


Tina (Germany)   September 30th, 2009 3:19 pm ET

Try to imagine he would still be black on this picture. It would change a lot. He had to live with this skin color and keep in mind that it is not looking white really. I hate when people say he was white, I call it colorless, put a white race person beside him and you will see the difference. If you think Vitiligo on white people would be less visible you are wrong, it is very well visible and they also have to use make up to cover it. Nothing he could do about it and how it looked like.
And he gained some weight at that time and he became older.
Ok well we could discuss about the hair style, it looks a little bit like the hair dryer exploded, but I think it is funny.


maria g   September 30th, 2009 3:25 pm ET

HI TINA, TOTALLY, TOTALLY AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAID EARLIER ON. NOWADAYS THE TYPE OF LIFESTYLE MICHAEL LIVED AS A CHILD WOULD BE FORBIDDEN BY LAWS...THANK GOD FOR THAT.....

HI LINDA FROM NEW YORK... I SEE WE AGREE ON THE "CHOICE OF PHOTO ISSUE- FOR MJ- GUESS WE HAVE SIMILAR TASTE...


Cocovelvet   September 30th, 2009 3:32 pm ET

Linda and Maria,

Everytime I see this picture of MJ, I remember the first time I saw him on a video clip on youtube when he was promoting his Invincible album and thinking, woooowww!!!,..... MJ is looking so cute and had gained some weight there. You know those pounds one gains when they reach their 40s !!!. He even had a little beer-belly like under that blue shirt......it was so interesting for me to see MJ looking like that; he had a real Daddy look. 🙂 🙂


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 3:39 pm ET

Maria
What I meant to say was that I don't have a problem with the way Michael looks in the picture–i just wish that CNN would post pictures where Michael looked happy–I know that is asking alot–so don't even answer this comment. You know what a this point–i think no matter picture they post of Michael I would not be happy so-I'll leave it alone.


maria g   September 30th, 2009 3:41 pm ET

HI COCOVELVET,
REALLY, I AM GLAD TO SEE OTHERS ENJOY THIS PHOTO. LIKE I SAID IT JUST GOES TO SHOW YOU, HOW WE ALL HAVE DIFFERENT TASTE......
ACTUALLY, I LIKE MJ'S BODY HERE, I THINK IT'S FINE, AT LEAST HE DOESN'T HAVE THE FRAIL LOOK.
I'VE SEEN THIS PICTURE SEVERAL TIMES ON THE NET AND EVEN ON TV.......AND EVERY TIME I SEE IT...I FEEL THE SAME WAY.....AS A MATTER OF FACT, FOR ME, IT IS THE ONLY PICTURE OR IMAGE OF MICHAEL THAT I DID NOT LIKE.......
@THE SAME TIME REALLY GLAD OTHER FANS ENJOY AND APPRECIATE THIS PHOTO.....


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 3:44 pm ET

cocovelt
That picture of Michael was taken when he came to I think Virgin Records or Tower Records in NYC to promote Invincible. I remember when I saw him in the News I had that same reaction–whoa-Michael looks good-but older–which is fine like you said–we all change as we get older.


Maria   September 30th, 2009 3:47 pm ET

Linda: No problem. I think though he had reasons to be at least content, if not happy, in this picture – I guess it was good for him to see his fans on Times Square, after the launch of Invincible.


Liz   September 30th, 2009 3:48 pm ET

And so the Rabbi is added to the growing list of professionals cum "friends" who, faster than the speed of light, have revealed to the public what is generally taken to be confidential and sensitive material related to a patient, or client. Because it's Michael Jackson all sense of ethics is suspended? I for one, would like to see where, in writing, Michael Jackson had authorized/intended that these counseling sessions would become public fodder.


Elly   September 30th, 2009 3:53 pm ET

If michael cut this guy out of his life that means that he did not want this book to be published and he did not trust him anyomre. I would like to know why does this guy own the tapes? why did not Michael own the tapes? I mean why was not he himself in charge of the tapes?


lex   September 30th, 2009 3:57 pm ET

cnn picked a real nice pic of michael go cnn


Elke Hassell   September 30th, 2009 4:00 pm ET

They are private and confidential tapes for christ sake, what will people do to make money. This is as much as u and I will go to a psychiatrist and he chooses to breach the client/doctor confidentiality. Come on people Michael is dead, anybody can come and say, yeah he wanted the world to know, but why now and not in the last seven years since those tapes were made. Who is to say that Michael knew about the tapes existence, u all know that he was a very private person and never ever publicly spoke about any other famous people, why come forward and put him again in a position that can have implications. These conversations proof to be of serious private nature for only the Rabbi's ears, why do this to him. Should there not be a permission from Michael's estate lawyers or his mother. I feel that this is a chargeable offence and should be dealt with and Larry King as well as Meredith from the Today Show should not encourage this kind of thing, but as usual its sensationalism that will make money for everyone no matter how it can hurt some people. God what a world we living in, shameful and disrespectful.


Samantha - South Africa   September 30th, 2009 4:03 pm ET

Hey All.

Yeah that pic was taken when Michael at the time he had launched Invincible outside the Virgin Music Store.Not forgetting,Times Square had to be shut down due to the huge amounts of people flooding the place!


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 4:04 pm ET

Mariau,i agree with you.I think,this is a horrible picture.Sory!I think,he was look much better now,whenn he came back.


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 4:04 pm ET

Maria
I still feel bad that I didn't go that day to see him. I didn't go because I figured I would get a better look at him on Televison. There were so many people. Now I wish I had gone. I love Invincible.


Ioana - Romania   September 30th, 2009 4:07 pm ET

Why Rabbi didn't say too much about MJ talkings regarding child molestation?
It is imposible not to know many aspects of this subject. He had this chance to say on CNN all the truth!
This is what I need to hear from you Rabbi, not gossip about Madonna...


Cocovelvet   September 30th, 2009 4:08 pm ET

Hi Samantha,.....howz you today ??? 🙂


Luda   September 30th, 2009 4:10 pm ET

Congratulation for the new picture CNN! lol
We appreciate the change!

I still hate to hear this man calling himself a friend..... when I think he....


Judie   September 30th, 2009 4:11 pm ET

**mj** was, here why do I miss everything?

**mj** call me


Samantha - South Africa   September 30th, 2009 4:11 pm ET

Hey Coco!

I'm doing alright,how about you?


Elke Hassell   September 30th, 2009 4:11 pm ET

Back again, as I am reading the comments from most people here I do realise that I am not alone in my opinion. So all the people who share my views, lets get in contact with these TV people and tell them to stop it, also I would really find out, if it is legally allowed to release these tapes and write a book without permission. I would be highly shocked, if Michael's Mother would have consented to this, or his lawyers. So now let us be the people doing the right thing here for Michael and check this out, I would go all the way, and if it is illegal than these people should be charged, the law was quick to charge Michael with everything, let somebody else feel it for a change. Join me in this cause I am really sick of it, I agree as much as we like to hear Michael's voice I do not feel right to listen to his private confessions, I can go to Utube and listen to his voice if I want to.


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 4:12 pm ET

**mj**!Was a good clue to got from Jermaine,how Michael loved Irland,and to put this adress here.I dont remember,who said,that lets see,how many peaples will claim,that Michael is hiding in Irland.This is an other stupid thing from **mj** .


maria g   September 30th, 2009 4:13 pm ET

JUST WANT TO STATE- I'M DONE WITH THIS PICTURE ISSUE..

***LAST COMMENT I WILL MAKE ON A PICTURE OF MJ. IS THE PHOTO OF MJ IN HIS "THIS IS IT" PROMOTIONAL APPEARANCE. HE WAS WEARING THE BLACK JACKET(WITH SILVER OR WHITE DETAILS) .EVEN THOUGH MJ WAS OLDER, I THINK HE LOOKED FABULOUS THERE, I THINK I LOVED THE PICTURE BECAUSE I FELT LIKE HE LOOKED GENUINELY HAPPIER, AS HE WAS PREPARING FOR HIS COMEBACK. TO ME, AND FOR ME, HIS FACE APPEARED HAPPY, CONTENT AND FULL OF LIFE- HIS SPIRIT SEEMED MORE ALIVE TO ME....I'M SO GLAD FOR THAT; I COULD ONLY HOPE THAT'S HOW HE WAS REALLY FEELING, ESPECIALLY SINCE THE END WAS NEAR. I KNOW THAT HE LOOKED EXTREMELEY HAPPY WHEN HE WAS SURROUNDED BY HIS FANS, I AM SO HAPPY FOR THAT. AT LEAST HE KNEW HE WAS LOVED, AND ADORED BY HIS FANS.


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 4:14 pm ET

**mj** here is my skype name: simsmidur
Call me with webcam! 😀


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 4:16 pm ET

Linda,i think,in this koncerts are so many peaples,you would see Michael as a point.Maybe was not a bad choice to see it on TV in life.


Emmy Lalonde, Belgium.   September 30th, 2009 4:18 pm ET

BOTEACH SCHUMLEY go to hell. We don't need you in this Michael's world. You were not kind to abandone HIm, anyway, with the result he was being alone without you as a friend on his side and he died. And,, now suddenly, you want to take a profit after his dead, to publish those tapes you talked with Michael many years ago and publish also a book about Michael as well, on using those tapes. What kind of close friend and what kind of RABBi you are. You are just a kind of killer, who liked to kill your friend Michael for the seconde time after his dead, by that stupid actions, which normal rabbi or good friends would never do such stinky.
As a RaBBi, isn't a nice conduct of doing so, moraly you were not even able to help Michael to survive, When you had the honor to be Michael's sprirituel adviser. WE are wondering what was your advise you gave to Michael, those times, there was no prove you were good spirituel guide.
Michael was not lucky to have you, otherwise Michael was still alive. You BOTEACH just the same as other person who looks very kind to Michael but never been really inside you. Now that Michael is not there anymore, you are doing chantage to Michael, by publishing his confident to you that you're normaly better shuting up your mouth for Michael respect on loving memories to Michael that you called HIM as a friend. Instead of being kind to honor Michael's did in this entier world, You are a kind of criminal ONE killing Michael for the seconde time after his dead. You are unfaithful and unloyal to HIM and We are very dissapointed about you badly RABBI and just leave Michael alone. We love Michael very deeply and would not like you neither no one else to make a dirt about him, mostly not by a RABBI. We stand by Michael however, forever, and always. As a RABBI you are making a very big mistaken to do that and Michael was rigth to break up with you, as you are taking your own advantage however, after his dead, for yourself getting a famous and making many many MONEY behind it. Go to HELL.


Anne   September 30th, 2009 4:25 pm ET

Samantha – Thank you for the reminder. I was caught up in Boteach.

I bought a ticket to go see the movie because it is MJ's creation and
he died trying to make it the best, most perfect, spectacular concert
ever. MJ was presented with the opportunity of a lifetime by AEG to make the greatest comeback in show biz history. But he was not healthy enough to stand the physical and emotional stress no matter how much he wished he could.

He was trapped with no way out. He began losing weight and AEG just ignored it. He was slowly starving right before their eyes and they let it happen because the dates were more important than MJ's health. And they had to know what Dr. Murray was doing and they choose to look the other way. They didn't care as long as he could function. MJ was exploited by everyone his whole life from the time he was 5 until the day he died.


Luda   September 30th, 2009 4:29 pm ET

If Schmuley really had good intentions, he would donate ALL money from this book to one of MJ’s chariities,
----------

It would be important people know the truth which is: It's not the rabbi who cut ties with Michael but Michael who did because the rabbi stole the charity Heal the kids.... he's using Mike's fame like he did in 2000... It is exploitation. It was abusing Michael's feeling for children and it's so....
When I think he said on LKL it was him who cut ties with MJ... it's shameless!

Friday, April 02, 2004
By Roger Friedman
You can always hear or see Boteach on TV or radio giving his opinion about something or other and plugging one of his books.

But one thing he doesn't seem able to opine is where all the money went from the short-lived charity. And one person who might be interested is Denise Rich, who wrote Boteach a check for $100,000 in the fall of 2000 for the L'Chaim Society right around the time Boteach and his then pal Michael Jackson came to two of her own fundraising events.

That $100,000 shows up in the L'Chaim Society's 2000 tax return. The same return shows no money whatsoever was spent on anything remotely charitable, just salaries and expenses.

Rich, who is the victim in this case, thought she was giving the money to one of Jackson's charities at the time. But a source of mine who was with Jackson at the time says Jackson never saw the money or the check. It went straight to Boteach and the L'Chaim Society.


Pam   September 30th, 2009 4:29 pm ET

I agree that he looked better in that picture...from the neck down...had some meat on him. BUT...that is one of the most unflattering face photos ever. Why don't you show him at his best?
If Michael wanted those tapes made public, it seems to me that he would have said so...on the tapes.
I always like MJ but because of the media thought he had really turned weird...never did believe the "allegations" though. Since he has died I have found out more about him and it makes me so sad. I feel almost guilty because I did not know how seriously hurt he was and just thought of him as a weirdo...media manipulation. Such a wonderful performer AND person and such a terrible loss. I really think that with maturity and his family that he was on his way to having a better life. I have read that he really was trying to gain better control of his addictions.
It is good to know that he knew how much people still cared because his tour sold out so fast but the stress of the added shows may have contributed to his death. After that tour, he should have had a peaceful life with his family.
I have become a "junkie" myself for information on him and still find it hard to believe that he is gone. I cried during Madonna's speech and the story about Ryan White. Yes...I think Madonna was probably somewhat of a witch when he went out with her...that is no surprise.
But she was right when she said that now that he is gone, we realize what we have lost.


Maria   September 30th, 2009 4:31 pm ET

Right about Ireland, Stu 🙂 Next they will say he's hiding somewhere in Eastern Europe LOL

Linda: I love Invincible too. I was very proud when it was released, it was like a personal victory for me. I knew it won't repeat the success of Thriller, but it didn't matter.


Mila   September 30th, 2009 4:32 pm ET

MJ is expressing his opinion in this tapes and whatever he says it's OK because everyone is entitled to their own opinion about people and topics – even if their opinion may be biassed, unpopular, controversial or even policitally incorrect – and that includes MJ as well – he can say what he wants and it's OK.

I personally have seldom been able to have a deep conversation with anyone without saying something that could not have been interpreted in a wrong way should anyone try to twist my words. We all know – it hardly takes any effort or even imagination to put a twist and make it sound bad.
Luckily I'm not a celebrity so no one is trying pick up the controversy in my words. Michael was not that lucky – he had to always be careful what he says to the point where he wasn't even able to talk to people.

But I know that I can listen to these tapes and be able to abstract myself from sensationalistic misrepresentations of Michael's word and concentrate on the important things he's saying.
So, yes, I would like to hear his voice on these tapes.

I don't intend to read the Rabbi's book though – I don't care what he thinks.

I also think that the public and Michael's image would have benefited more from these tapes if the Rabbi had waited for several years to release them – it's too soon. Perhaps our children would be a better audience to Michael's message when they grow up.

Right now it looks like nothing more than a rush to cash in.

I also don't like the name of the book because it's trying to bend the readers' opinion before they've even laid their eyes on the book or the tapes. It also attracts the wrong kind of audience.
Michael Jackson: An Icon's Soul" or "Michael Jackson In His Own Words" would have been more than enough said.


pat davis   September 30th, 2009 4:43 pm ET

Hi All,

Not feeling to well today so I won't be on for long. Just wanted to make a few comments:

Samantha....Thanks for that article. It's definately something to think about. Now I'm starting to look at Michael's entourage on the set of This Is It differently. It sound like they watched him deteriorating, and instead of stepping in, they just went on with the show! How sad

Stu....This is pertaining to yesterdays blog about the Bad scene in Moonwalker with the little kids, I like that part too! It is sooo funny!

I watched Larry King last night and was very dissapointed. Larry really did let this Schumley ramble on and on about Michael. I really thought Larry was going to dig more into this guys past and his wrong doings.


Allure   September 30th, 2009 4:43 pm ET

Hi girls 🙂
how are u tonight?
(it's almost 11 p.m. here)


Samantha - South Africa   September 30th, 2009 4:44 pm ET

@Anne

Having just learned the 'real' truth behind the "masquerade" that is THIS IS IT today,I'm sad and angry at the same time!!!Sad because these 'vultures' drove Michael to the edge which ultimately led to his death and now to have these "greedy savages" exploit him by making a movie that is nowhere the 'real' truth!Also,I'm angry because these "vultures" knew that Michael was not well and nowhere ready enough to pull off 50 concerts but they chose to remain oblivious to these facts and instead of seeking help for his problem & just calling the whole thing off in the first place,they literally ignored all of this because they really didn't care about him,they only cared about $$$!!!!


Samantha - South Africa   September 30th, 2009 4:45 pm ET

Hey Allure!

Its 10:46pm in my part of the world!


pat davis   September 30th, 2009 4:51 pm ET

Luda,

You are absolutely right! Thats exactly what I said, if Schumely was really sincere about this book, the proceeds would go to one of Michael's countless charities. This is how we know he's out for himself!


Allure   September 30th, 2009 5:00 pm ET

lindafromnewyork September 30th, 2009 11:45 am ET
"I heard the tapes last night on CNN and there was too that much that I heard that Michael’s fans didn’t already know. Okay so we heard how he felt about Brooke, Tatum and Lisa Marie–Did we really need to know that–I personally did not"

Hi linda
this didn't bother me, I think we could all guess somehow as MJ mentioned these ladies from time to time, always in a very gentlemen like way.
The worst in the whole rabbi story is part 6 on youtube. Michael says that he's afraid of growing older, losing his energy etc. This is so private and I can hardly believe that Michael wanted to go public with such intimate thoughts.Is there a document somewhere which proofs that these conversations shall be put together in a book???


Allure   September 30th, 2009 5:03 pm ET

Hey Samantha 😉
I'm not the only one missing sleep every night because of the blogs, eh??


MourningMJ   September 30th, 2009 5:08 pm ET

** To all of Michael's loving fans **

Please note, that I am not endorsing or supporting the Rabbi. I simply processed his possible intentions and motivations of publicly revealing the tapes of our beloved late Michael Jackson since last evening on LKL. I removed all my anger and feelings of betrayal and watched and listened carefully with an open mind. I took note that the Rabbi actually illustrated some critical points that we may have overlooked because our inundating committment to Michael- myself included.
The Rabbi identified that Michael was in desperate need of an ordinary, common lifestyle; a lifestyle, however, that was consistently uncommon and unfamiliar with Michael. A lifestyle that us fans took for granted and took far great advantage of. Many of us assumed, unfairly, that because he was the most sought after human on the planet, his cravings for normalcy would be something Michael would have to suffer with unsatisfied. Michael was well aware that he was being taped during his interview, as he confirmed it himself vocally. To unbury the secrets and torture that he deposited so long ago was not only courageous but a simple plea to hear him. – LISTEN to him. Listen to what he is saying.
We cannot be so naive to believe that Micheal's masterpieces such as Morphine and Childhood are nothing but a mere brillant musical coincidence. The depth of these songs are far beyong any scope that you or I can wrap our minds around. Many of Michael's compositions were not intended for the sole purpose of relating the lyrics to our own life. He gifted us with the opportunity to look into his soul and catch a blemished glimpse at the pain and anguish he endured and the peace of mind he sacraficed so others would "Love Him".
Of course we loved him and will continue to love Michael- Unconditionally. But the Rabbi demonstrated another trenchant point that was often overlooked in the most paralyzing last years of Michael's life- Michael did not need his fans- Michael needed his family.
Who has the courage to dispute the Rabbi in identifying that crucial error, we commonly neglected? I, myself, as I'm confident many others, cannot challenge this disturbing reality because Michael did need his family- desperately- not us. He needed his father to tell him how proud he was of his perpetual hard work and success, his blood, his sweat, his tears. He needed his mother to reinforce his humanness; his soul. He needed his siblings to stand independently and to stop riding on the coat tails of his success. He needed his doctors to tell him "NO". "No, Michael, you can NOT have this". "No, Michael, this is NOT good for you, it will hurt you, it is dangerous". "No, Michael, I will NOT be your enabler any longer". He needed his parents to follow through with the plan they originally designed along with other family members to save Michael from himself- to have him committed involuntarily for substance abuse and mental health treatment. This would have been one of the few times in Michael's life when he did NOT have a choice- BUT, it would have saved his life.
His siblings could have went further with their intervention- Tito admitted himself that he absolutely did not believe Michael when Michael told him he was no longer using drugs. But no one wanted to say "no" to him.
But you know who did say "no"? His heart sickened mother- When she learned of Michael's death, she screamed "NO, not my Michael!", and all the other family members followed suit- "No, not their Michael". Jermaine Jackson, Michael's older brother, the fourth eldest of the Jackson children has recalled during several interviews the day Michael passed away. He and LaToya were called in the cold, empty hospital room to identify Michael's body. Jermaine held Michael's body, caressed his face and kissed his forehead repeatedly, cried into Michael's body and whispered "No, Michael, not you. I love you Michael. I'm going to miss you Michael". Holding his baby brother in the flesh- nothing but a pair of pants and a paperthin hospital gown that was falling off his body. Jermaine was the last person to see Michael- his soft, angelic skin- no make up. No enhancements. He left our world the same way he came in. It's a tragedy that his scars penetrated deeper than his flesh. His veins pumped the blood of the most spectacular human I will ever keep close to my heart.
So profit or not off the book- were were offered some priceless words to live by.
IHMJ XOXO hlmm feae


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 5:08 pm ET

Samantha,where did you see,that thay helped Michael on the sters?Then how he could dance?


pat davis   September 30th, 2009 5:10 pm ET

This Schumely is good manipulator. I've noticed in each interview he speaks more and more fondly of Michael Jackson, as if he really cared about him. He disects and analyzes everything Michael says into his interpetation. He makes himself sound like he was so concerned, sympathetic and understanding with Michael, when it's all a bunch of crap! He's trying to fool the public into buying his book. He's such a phony! And I still can't believe that Larry King didn't probe into his shady past. Why won't someone confront this guy about HIS wrong doings. Everytime he's on television they allow him to ramble on and on! His interviews are ALL about Michael.


Elke Hassell   September 30th, 2009 5:11 pm ET

Hi Samantha,

That is exactly how I saw it when he died. He was being severely manipulated. I felt so very, very sorry. Here was a man that was dissed by his own country people, by lots of the so called famous people, by lots of the so called fans, alone, emotionally broken, physically destroyed and knowing that he was bankrupt. For his children sake he had to do something to secure a financially save future, so I could imagine the immense pressure that he was under, he was scared, he was unwell and he lost all confidence in the human race, except for the children, now why is that so hard to understand. He was a gentle soul and was betrayed so many times and forced to do something that I think he really hated to do. On older tapes you can hear him saying, he hated to tour period!! and that was when he was much younger. So I fully agree with you, yes I will watch the film, but I know what you see is not the truth. Thanks


Allure   September 30th, 2009 5:12 pm ET

Mariak, Stu
about hideaways – MJ probably hides in the French part of Switzerland .....!!
"Michael Jackson recorded Blood on the Dance Floor in Montreux in 1999. The tranquil area led the singer to come work in the city where Freddie Mercury and the group Queen had also recorded albums. Michael Jackson had his heart set on the Manoir de Ban, the former residence of Charlie Chaplin however the Chaplin family refused to sell the property at that time."

At that time........ and now?? The possibilities to hide are many.... 🙂


Samantha - South Africa   September 30th, 2009 5:13 pm ET

@Stu

This was created by a bunch of Michael's friends and fans alike on Facebook with the objective of making sure that Michael gets the justice that he deserves.Also,one of Michael's employees who was contracted to go to London with him has said that he had MISSED 4 out of the 6 rehearsals.


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 5:16 pm ET

Allure,please,dont you start this too!!!!!!!!!


Lori - Justice For Michael   September 30th, 2009 5:17 pm ET

Hello everyone- so much food for thought...and there is plenty of blame to go around. Michael may have had issues, but, no one, especially not a trained medical professional, should have allowed him to have propofol at his home. Michael's death is the tip of the iceberg when it comes to medication abuse. The doctors and pharmacies need to be held accountable. This needs to change.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Allure   September 30th, 2009 5:20 pm ET

Hi Mourning MJ
"The depth of these songs are far beyong any scope that you or I can wrap our minds around. Many of Michael’s compositions were not intended for the sole purpose of relating the lyrics to our own life. He gifted us with the opportunity to look into his soul and catch a blemished glimpse at the pain and anguish he endured and the peace of mind he sacraficed so others would “Love Him”.

I agree on that part: That's why I often mentionend MJ's lyrics in the past months.
I don't know if you have seen my posting from August 29th, here's an excerpt :
"How to remember Michael on a special day like today?
Of course as a great singer, an amazing dancer but in particular as an extraordinary song writer. I’ve never known another musician who was able to open his heart that way, telling about his feelings as well as his passions with the lyrics of his songs. He was never afraid of showing his inner life.
I think with the song Childhood (from the album HIStory, 1995), Michael revealed a lot of himself:
“No one understands me
They view it as such strange eccentricities
‘cause I keep kidding around like a child”…….
“Before you judge me, try hard to love me
look within your heart then ask”


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 5:20 pm ET

Thank you Samanta.That is realy sad.But how he could dance then?Now my heart will be even more brakeing,whenn i will see that lost dance... 😦


Allure   September 30th, 2009 5:21 pm ET

Stu
don't worry :-)!!


Samantha - South Africa   September 30th, 2009 5:23 pm ET

Guys

I'm gonna call it a night,been a long day and I've been running low on sleep.

"Truth always Prevails!
First They Ignore you ....
Then they laugh at you ....
Then they fight you ....
Then you win."


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 5:23 pm ET

I dont...


Stu,Hungary   September 30th, 2009 5:24 pm ET

I am going to sleap too.I am dead tired.Good night,and good night chat!


Allure   September 30th, 2009 5:31 pm ET

Coco!!


pat davis   September 30th, 2009 5:31 pm ET

I tried to give Schumely the benefit of the doubt, but I still think hes a fake. He speaks with this passionate tone about Michael thats suppose to convince us that he really cared. I don't buy it. I think its all to boost his book sales. The fact that he has Michael Jackson on tape is a gold mine for him and he knows it! He didn't say anything about Michael that we fans don't already know.


Lori - Justice For Michael   September 30th, 2009 5:32 pm ET

@Judie - I missed it too. 😦 Oh well at least we have each other and the Jax Chat to look forward too.

@Gene – I hope you are reading the bloggy. We miss you! Come back. If you can't ,or won't ,come back to LKL, please come to the Jax Chat @ we love michael joseph jackson dot com

Gene - W.H.Y. so come blogging with us again 🙂

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”
THE JAX CHAT IS WHERE IT’S AT


chris   September 30th, 2009 5:32 pm ET

Madonna has never been a nice person! I think she is definitely one person that Michael judged correctly. She strikes me as someone who would be jealous of Michael and who would go out of her way to make Michael feel uncomfortable.

I am glad that she said nice things about Michael at the VMA simply because there have been so few people that have gone there.
Really, when you think about it, it's easy to say nice things about someone once they are gone. And the spotlight was on her. In her first few sentences it seemed like she was trying to put herself on the same pedestal as Michael. Yuck.

One thing for sure: she is really savvy and can easily judge that the public (public not fans, let me make that distinction) generally is viewing Michael in a more favourable way. This is sad that the public could not do this until Michael died, but I believe it is true.


Cocovelvet   September 30th, 2009 5:42 pm ET

Hi Allure 🙂 are you still in here ???

to you all pals,

I am surprised and saddened by this so-called "mj" who keeps appearing here whenever he wishes to come make a mockery of our feelings.

you know, if I was a witch or prophet, i will get those powers to know who actually this idiot is.........i would probably go up there and kick his head wherever he is always sitting behind that monitor grinning, and probably eating pizza or kebab and drinking coke, and enjoying himself making fun out of such a sensitive issue.. uuuurrrrggghhhh !!! 😦 😦


pat davis   September 30th, 2009 5:43 pm ET

Samantha,

Great parting words! Good night!


Luda   September 30th, 2009 5:43 pm ET

by Rabbi Michael Sternfield | Chicago Jewish News
Monday, 28 September 2009

As a rabbi of over 30 years experience, I was both appalled and disappointed in the story by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach concerning his friendship with and impressions of Michael Jackson. In so many ways, Rabbi Boteach crossed over the line of propriety and professional ethics.

Rabbis along with other clergy, along with the practitioners of all the helping professions, are bound by definite rules of confidentiality. It is precisely this rule which enables us to assist people who depend upon us to preserve the sacred bond of trust. What we discuss or experience with people who seek our assistance are meant to be kept absolutely private.

There are no exceptions. In fact, physicians and lawyers who violate this trust lose their licenses to practice should their breach of confidence be discovered. Even when those that we have counseled or befriended are no longer living, the same rule applies.

period.


Allure   September 30th, 2009 5:45 pm ET

Hey Coco
yes, I'm doing night shift.......... again 🙂


Lori - Justice For Michael   September 30th, 2009 5:49 pm ET

@Cocovelvet.....one should always use their powers for good not evil.
At least that is what I keep telling myself....

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


MourningMJ   September 30th, 2009 5:54 pm ET

@ALLURE-
Allure, I agree. Michael spoke volumes with his lyrics. But he spoke louder with his behavior- why wouldn't anyone listen?

IHMJ xoxo


Cocovelvet   September 30th, 2009 6:04 pm ET

Yes Allure!!!!....an unpaid night shift !!!! 🙂 🙂

LONG LIVE THE KING !!!


Allure   September 30th, 2009 6:09 pm ET

MourningMJ
I see what u mean but are we sure that nobody listened? Don't get me wrong but sometimes I think MJ didn't want to listen, wanted to do things his way.


Cocovelvet   September 30th, 2009 6:11 pm ET

Hi guys,

I think I'm gonna call it a night....been sitting here for more than half the day. Starting to get a backache....old-age catching up with me heee!!!hee!!! 🙂 🙂

GOOD NIGHT ALL AND SEE YOU TOMORROW !!!


Allure   September 30th, 2009 6:21 pm ET

Mourning MJ
"Who has the courage to dispute the Rabbi in identifying that crucial error, we commonly neglected? I, myself, as I’m confident many others, cannot challenge this disturbing reality because Michael did need his family- desperately- not us."

I agree on the point that MJ needed his family, because with your family you can simply be yourself, without show, without glitter, just yourself.
But I think there's something more that MJ missed in his life, something that gives you power, something that helps you survive many things – a loving, supporting and understanding woman. I wish he would have find her.....


Carmen69   September 30th, 2009 6:24 pm ET

After listen to Madonna´s speech in the MTV 2009 awards, I think it is not fair to focus on negative comments about her. I am not a Madonna´s fan, actually I don´t admire her and respect her in the same way I admire and respect Michael as an artist as an person too. But I think it is not fair to say negative things about her.I just thing Michael and Madonna have very different personalities who lived in a period of time in which they were very famous and popular.


pat davis   September 30th, 2009 6:33 pm ET

Luda,

Thank you for that article! Finally someone is speaking out that Schumley is not only morally wrong but he's dishonoring his religion.

Who better to hear this from but another rabbi! I knew this guy was violating all that is Christian! His excuse for writing the book is as bad as Conrad Murray's...."Michael wanted this!" Like Rabbi Sternfield said, "there are no exceptions". He should be banned from the Synagogue.


Mila   September 30th, 2009 6:34 pm ET

Sorry off topic:
MJ's estate is suing HTWF for using his name and likeness without permission.

Source TMZ


Allure   September 30th, 2009 6:35 pm ET

Good night Cocovelvet!


SuzieCanada   September 30th, 2009 6:41 pm ET

Hi everyone, just curious: anyone knows why some of the early bloggers who seemed quite devoted to Michael have left these blogs? Not passing judgment or anything, just curious. Or perhaps they're blogging under different names?


Allure   September 30th, 2009 6:46 pm ET

Good night everyone......... 🙂
"read" u tomorrow


Sandy-Houston   September 30th, 2009 7:03 pm ET

I'm only here for a few minutes but wanted to ask you all something. Remember the Kathy Smith blog where she spoke about her brief
meeting with Michael. And he said that he cancelled the London tour. That "they" were very mean. So maybe he was pushed into this and wanted out?? Opinions?? Just another piece in the puzzle.


Lori - Justice For Michael   September 30th, 2009 7:05 pm ET

@Sandy – Houston –I've been wondering about that as well. Who is "They"??. Gene, we need you – come back! 🙂

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Judie   September 30th, 2009 7:15 pm ET

Hello everyone....

Whats up with the address for Ireland? Did anyone google it?


Maureen (UK)   September 30th, 2009 7:17 pm ET

Sandy-Houston
Did you see the clip on youtube, posted on the bloggs of michael telling a group of people (dancers ?) he was worried about having to do 50 concerts & didn't know if he could do them. The clip was removed from youtube.


Chit Chat Magazine   September 30th, 2009 7:19 pm ET

Before interviewing this Rabbi did Larry and his staff investigate the many charity scam accusations being made in connection with him and his involvement/falling out with MJ.

Seems Fox News reported a long time ago and now it is all over the web about the fact the charity events hosted by the Rabbi where MJ spoke collected $$$ but none of it went to any children.

Could this possibly have been why MJ never spoke to this fellow and would this not have been a good thing to bring up while interviewing him. It sheds light on the credibility of these tapes/book material and MJ's intentions.


Maureen (UK)   September 30th, 2009 7:21 pm ET

Anne
There was a film clip to go with the article you posted above. It was posted on the bloggs but it's been removed from youtube.


Lori - Justice For Michael   September 30th, 2009 7:25 pm ET

@JUDIE - don't worry about Ireland. When Jax spilled the beans on the location the other night, Nicole and I made arrangements for Stockholm with an option for Reykjavik. 🙂

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”
THE JAX CHAT IS WHERE IT’S AT


Mila   September 30th, 2009 7:28 pm ET

Thanks, Allure
I completely skipped this article thinking it was about yet another idiot suing MJ.


Judie   September 30th, 2009 7:30 pm ET

Lori,

Okay got you. I was gonna ask **mj** when he call's me.


Anne   September 30th, 2009 7:33 pm ET

When I first read it I could not believe it was real. I thought maybe it was fake. But if there was a video, it was real. And there are more. This is like an accident waiting to happen. When did he sign the contract to do the shows and when did the extra shows get added on?


Luda   September 30th, 2009 7:37 pm ET

Allure: MJ..... wanted to do things his way.
----------–

I would agree with that.
Michael was a free spirit..... that everyone was trying to control.....


Janet Canada   September 30th, 2009 7:44 pm ET

Like so many have said before me, this is unfortunately just one more example of a so called friend or professional adviser of Michael Jackson who betrayed his trust for their own gain.

With confidants like this, no wonder MJ kept himself medicated and isolated. Shame on Rabbi Shmuley Boteach for abusing his position and for failing to help his 'friend'.


Maureen (UK)   September 30th, 2009 7:54 pm ET

php/2009/03/11/michael-jackson-adds-10-more-concerts-to-london-run-as-scramble-for-tickets-begins/

After the initial 10 concerts another 12 were added in some reports. Rolling Stone sources quoted an extra 12 initially but this article states an extra 20 concerts.
See the gruelling schedule at the bottom of the page.


Judie   September 30th, 2009 7:57 pm ET

If you look close at Michael in the rehersal tapes you would know he would of never been able to fulfill those dates....as sad as it is.


Maureen (UK)   September 30th, 2009 8:12 pm ET

Michael Jackson Adds 20 Concerts to London Run as Scramble for Tickets Begins

3/11/09, 9:14 am EST

Photo: Whitby/Getty
Tickets for Michael Jackson’s 10-night “This Is It!” run of concerts went on sale this morning for fans who received a presale password through e-mail, and demand was so high for Jackson’s last stand in London that an additional 20 shows and counting have been added. Once presale codes were e-mailed out yesterday, they began showing up on auction sites and Craigslist for $75 and up as fans began the furious scramble to see MJ’s historic gigs. The pre-sale tickets went on sale at 7 am GST, or 3 am for those of us on the East Coast, and the majority of Ticketmaster visitors were greeted by 15-minute wait times. Some fans suffered through never-ending wait times while others complained about receiving presale passwords that didn’t work, Music Ally reports. Tickets will go on sale to the general public on Friday, if there are any left.

An e-mail was sent out to the people who received presale passwords roughly two hours after the shows went on sale, encouraging fans to “Keep Trying!” “Ticketmaster is receiving an overwhelming amount of traffic to their website. They are having long waits and some technical difficulties but don’t worry!” reads the e-mail from AEG Live, who is promoting the event. “Tickets are still available and we encourage you to keep trying.” In actuality, tickets were still available, but not for the original 10-night stretch.

As the opening shows began to sell out, new dates for the “This Is It!” run were being added to Jackson’s tour page at Ticketmaster, proving that this wasn’t really it. At first only two new shows were announced, but that number blossomed to four, eight and now, as it stands at press time, 20 additional shows (which include some gigs on odd-numbered days — guess Rock Daily’s theory is moot). While you count the seconds for your wait time to end just to find out the MJ show you wanted to go to sold out, check out the “This Is It!” dates below.

Michael Jackson

July 8 – London, England @ O2 Arena
July 10 – London, England @ O2 Arena
July 12 – London, England @ O2 Arena
July 14 – London, England @ O2 Arena
July 16 – London, England @ O2 Arena
July 18 – London, England @ O2 Arena
July 22 – London, England @ O2 Arena
July 24 – London, England @ O2 Arena
July 26 – London, England @ O2 Arena
July 28 – London, England @ O2 Arena
July 30 – London, England @ O2 Arena
August 1 – London, England @ O2 Arena
August 3 – London, England @ O2 Arena
August 10 – London, England @ O2 Arena
August 12 – London, England @ O2 Arena
August 17 – London, England @ O2 Arena
August 19 – London, England @ O2 Arena
August 24 – London, England @ O2 Arena
August 26 – London, England @ O2 Arena
August 28 – London, England @ O2 Arena
August 30 – London, England @ O2 Arena
September 1 – London, England @ O2 Arena
September 3 – London, England @ O2 Arena
September 6 – London, England @ O2 Arena
September 8 – London, England @ O2 Arena
September 10 – London, England @ O2 Arena
September 21 – London, England @ O2 Arena
September 23 – London, England @ O2 Arena
September 27 – London, England @ O2 Arena
September 29 – London, England @ O2 Arena

!st leg of concerts.

.


Barbara   September 30th, 2009 8:26 pm ET

**mj** is there a Hard Rock Café in Dublin? I would really like a t-shirt from there and since you have provided us with an address, and I assume it is a place in which you are familiar, would you confirm?

Thank you in advance for your help.

Love you Michael


Tom Joyce   September 30th, 2009 8:39 pm ET

This blog is really about the Boteach book, but I wanted to address the "he can't do all the shows at the 02" comments. Consistently all the people who were ACTUALLY WITH HIM EVERY DAY DURING REHEARSALS AT THE STAPLES CENTER said that while he was thin, his energy level was good and he was upbeat and excited. Not just the AEG people, but the other performers and his own people.

About Boteach, he says he wrote the book and Michael wanted the book written so people will understand what can happen to people who are abused as children. However, in order to get that point across he did not have to release all the details about Madonna, Brooke Shields, Lisa Marie, Hitler, etc. That was done to create sensationalism and to sell books – plain and simple. There are supposed to be 30 hours of tapes and we are only hearing the most sensational outtakes. There may even be other sections of tape that qualify the remarks we are hearing.

Boteach is telling us Michael wanted the book written, but we don’t know that that is true. Even if MJ wanted it written he may have wanted to edit his comments, which of course he can’t do now. This book is exploitation by a “friend” and a rabbi to boot. I won’t buy it.


MourningMJ   September 30th, 2009 8:40 pm ET

@Allure-
Allure, of course MJ wanted to do things his way- Tragic, isn't it? I would never cosign to his behavior, especially when there were so many opportunities to change it. But, I am not cosigning on his family's behavior either. Like I said, they should have dragged Michael to treatment kicking and screaming if necessary. At least he'd still be alive.
IHMJ xoxo


Patty Anderson   September 30th, 2009 8:45 pm ET

So this is where everyone is hiding. Haha foud you. how is everyone?


GERRY S. FROM USA   September 30th, 2009 8:56 pm ET

WHEN THE MEDIA DOES A STORY ON ELVIS PRESLEY THEY LET ELVIS' INATE GOODNESS AND CHARITABLE WORKS SPEAK FOR THEMSELVES. WHY WON'T THEY DO THAT WHEN REPORTING ON MICHAEL? NOONE IN THE PUBLIC VIEW WAS ANY BETTER A HUMAN BEING OR MORE TALENTED AND HE DESERVES FAIR REPORTING ABOUT HIMSELF. I ALWAYS THOUGHT THAT MICHAEL NEVER QUITE GOT AS FAIR A SHAKE AS OTHERS DID BECAUSE HE WAS NOT THE MOST MASCULINE OF MEN AND HE WAS NOT WHITE. AND THIS IS A 45 YEAR OLD WHITE GUY SAYING THIS.


Lori - Justice For Michael   September 30th, 2009 9:01 pm ET

Hi Patty. 🙂

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Barbara   September 30th, 2009 9:01 pm ET

Would you also share what it was like to attend a party at Guy Laliberté 's house? It must have been a blast!


MaryRM   September 30th, 2009 9:03 pm ET

MMJ – absolutely right. Since our intervention with my sister – it was painful, she was angry, in denial, make lots of promises to behave. But I knew she was lying and even lying to my mother's face which was very difficult to see. But we didn't get sucked in by her attempts to manipulate and promise her way out – she is ok, in counseling, but still she denies there was ever a problem and has spoken little with me in the last year because she knows that I am the one that instigated it – and flew 2000 miles to get to her. In fact, she didn't phone me on my birthday a few months ago, never happened before.

It hurts but that is ok – I love her enough to let her hate me.


Janice   September 30th, 2009 9:09 pm ET

Just my personal opinion…I don’t believe Michael ever intended to have these conversations published for a book. Michael documented everything in his life by video camera and tape recorders. When I watched Dateline, there was a clip played about Madonna that was not very flattering and where he said “I hate to say that on tape.” When they played this, I thought to myself…that’s proof right there that he did not intend for this to be published. When Rabbi said last night on LKL that there were two tape recorders, a primary and a backup, that was more proof to me that Michael simply was having these taped so that if the rabbi ever tried to publish what was said, Michael would have his own copy for proof of what was said so that it could not be distorted. I am CERTAINLY CONVINCED that Michael had no intention of this information being made public in the form of a book. We all love Michael and he had a significant impact on our lives through his music, his humanitarianism and his pain…so I certainly don’t want to argue amongst ourselves…but I have studied this man for 40 years and I am absolutely certain he would not want his privately taped conversations aired or published. May he forever rest in peace.

Also, everyone needs to be aware that the amazon book reviews for this "betrayal by the rabbi", from those who have bought it, they say that what the rabbi says in the book is quite different from what he said on LKL last night saying things such as "Michael may have been guilty of some serious crimes." I think he is playing to both potential audiences....the haters and the fans...in an effort to sell his "betrayal" to both sides. Those are just my opinions....


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

mmj-I agree 100% with your comment. I too watched the Rabbi with an open mind–idon't agree that he should have released the tapes, but maybe it's goog that he did–maybe that will help people to gain a better understanding of Michael and the kind of tortured life that he led.


lindafromnewyork   September 30th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

typing with one hand
i meant good


Lori - Justice For Michael   September 30th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Hi Linda! 🙂

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


MaryRM   September 30th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

It's so sad that people would need to invade Michael's privacy to see he was a good man. The rest of us could see it, I don't understand. I guess that many people just accept whatever the media spits out, without thought.

I am seeing an opportunity here, though, a change in wind so to speak. The media slowly change their tune....oooh we aren't sure..... oooh we didn't know (most will never admit to a feeding frenzy like Aphrodite did), he was a man of mystery (laughable)..... then one day, oooh look what we found out, we never knew before.... oooh, poor misunderstood Michael..... oooh, look, we just found the truth for you misguided public.....


Luda   September 30th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Janice,

thanks for your comment, I appreciated what you said.


Barbara   September 30th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

But seriously, why would they release tapes so everyone could hear what Michael thought about Madonna?
Unbelievable.


Maria G   September 30th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

I keep having to change my name because someone keeps using them. I know we can comment with any name we want but can we please not use a name already being used. Please don't get mad I just want to know who is who and their opinions and I want you to know my opinions too.


Lori - Justice For Michael   September 30th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

@Barbara ...and people do change over time. I think both Michael and Madonna did over the years. So maybe his opinions would have changed.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Barbara   September 30th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

I agree Lori-and perhaps he didn't feel the same way about her years later-but my point is why release it anyway?

This is the classic case of someone trying to "stir the pot."


marguerite   September 30th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

Madonna has already said she is not going to let the tapes change her good opinion of Michael.


SuzieCanada   September 30th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

Gene where are you? These bloggies need you!


marguerite   September 30th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

If mj is truly Michael in the flesh, I have a feeling he and Madonna have been talking to each other. Especially after what Madonna said at the awards ceremony about Michael.


MaryRM   September 30th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

Madonna has matured alot and has developed a depth of character that was not so visible a couple of decades ago. She is a strong woman – I always admire that.


sarah   September 30th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

HI every1

it wasn't what Michael said on those tapes , the way media twist everything that came out Mike mouth , Rabbi should have know better that how media/tabloids going to portray his friend if releases those tapes, ....no real friend would do this, tapes were recorded so long ago and releasing it now clearly shows its all about making few bucks....so wrong ....


Sandy-Houston   September 30th, 2009 11:12 pm ET

Mourning MJ- 5:08pm-
You made some very good points. Yes, Michael knew his conversations were being taped. He DID need his family. He needed them to stand up to him and say "NO, you're not going to do this to yourself or your children anymore." As I've said after the first Rabbi interview, I listened to what Michael was saying and not the Rabbi's interpretation. Michael wanted to be heard, to have us all understand what he was struggling with. It is difficult to actually hear what Michael is saying because it's actually him speaking, not a "close friend" or "sources". It's Michael pouring his heart out.Whatever reason the Rabbi chose to write this book and bring out the tapes, that is between him and God
DON'T listen to the Rabbi,LISTEN TO MICHAEL. He knew the public would hear these tapes and he's pouring his heart out. I only hope I can learn from this and lead my life in a better way.
Yes it was 9 years ago but weren't we all fans 9 years ago like we are today? And didn't we want to know all about him 9 years ago as we do today?
I for one, know that I could not have broadcast my deepest feelings as Michael did. That's courageous! I will always love and appreciate Michael, but along with that I have to be realistic and know that not all was not good with his life. My heart still aches for all he endured.

Lori-Justice for Michael-
Conrad Murray is one of the people who should have told Michael NO. And yes there definitely needs to be some changes in the pharmacy/medication industry!!


Lori - Justice For Michael   September 30th, 2009 11:18 pm ET

Hi Sandy - any Conrad sightings in Houston?

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


marguerite   September 30th, 2009 11:18 pm ET

Don't know what to make of the address he gave us. I have a friend that lives in Scotland and her address has a lot more info in it. Give me a clue and I am out there trying to figure it out.lol Anyone here from Ireland? I would love to talk to mj on the phone.

MJ please know I am not making fun of you.


Bella   September 30th, 2009 11:26 pm ET

Yes Lori, I have been wondering what happened to JUSTICE TO MICHAEL???

Any one of you whose family is working in the LAPD to have some inside track information? So that we can have an idea when the investigation result will be likely to come out???


Amy   September 30th, 2009 11:30 pm ET

“I said, ‘I am not going to a strip bar, where they cross dress. … I am not going to there. If that’s how it is, forget this whole thing. … Afterwards, she wrote some mean things about me in the press. And I wrote that she is a nasty witch, after I was so kind to her,” Jackson said.

Mariau

Reading the last line, I don't see anything unusual. We would have said the same thing if we had been nice to someone and they later said unkind things about us in the press.

The problem with Schmuley is that quotes such as these are not necessary if he sincerely wants to help Michael as claimed. They cause unnecessary rifts.

It's clear he is trying to add "juicy" bits to sensationalise his book. Does he not know the media will pick up these and make it worse for Michael?


Amy   September 30th, 2009 11:48 pm ET

Stu

I read that Larry asked about the quality of the tapes. If Michael had spoken directly into the microphone as claimed, the tapes shouldn't sound bad.

Either it was not true that Michael agreed to be taped or the tapes were doctored to delete certain portions which would have changed the context of what he was saying. This happened in the Bashir interview when Michael had to come out with another video to show the parts which were deliberately left out.

Even if it was true that Michael agreed too be taped, there would have been certain parts which he asked that they not be printed. Same thing happened in the tapes for the ghostwriter of Moonwalk. However, the ghostwriter ignored what Michael said and released everything, even those which Michael said should not be in print.

Releasing the tapes which are 9 years old is all wrong. Michael's views could have changed. His permission should have been sought and Michael be allowed to edit. But Schmuley waited until Michael passed away.


Sandy-Houston   September 30th, 2009 11:56 pm ET

Regarding the website, I should have said that the lady who started the website thought it would surprise alot of people in a positive way.


Amy   October 1st, 2009 12:04 am ET

I agree that there are so many other good pictures of Michael even during that period. Why choose one of the worst.

Such a charming smile he had. And those big, expressive, innocent eyes were a joy to look at.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   October 1st, 2009 12:07 am ET

This story between Michael and Madonna cracked me up. I could just imagine them. I think Madonna can be bossy and Michael can be stubborn, so what a combination they made.

I wonder if Madonna can clarify this – then we will know that it is the truth.


Janice   October 1st, 2009 12:13 am ET

I'm actually flabbergasted that anyone could actually buy Rabbi Smelly Buttcheeks sob story about Michael desperately wanting this published. The Rabbi sold his "friend" Michael Jackson after his death. Truth is the Rabbi stole from Michael's charity in 2001 and Michael had him put on his "enemy list" afterwards. They had no contact after this. Google it from credible sources....you can't believe anything that comes out of Smelly Buttcheeks' mouth. He was ousted from his synagogue, has had many questionable financial dealings including the tax returns filed for "Heal the Kids" and is just out to make a buck off of our beloved Michael. My empathy for Michael Jackson just multiplies with every passing day. No wonder he had mannequins for friends....it was a very good idea....he was right....at least the mannequins could not betray him. Rest in peace, Michael...our beautiful God-given angel.


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   October 1st, 2009 12:23 am ET

@Samantha – South Africa September 30th, 2009 4:44 pm ET

@Anne

Having just learned the ‘real’ truth behind the “masquerade” that is THIS IS IT today,I’m sad and angry at the same time!!!Sad because these ‘vultures’ drove Michael to the edge which ultimately led to his death and now to have these “greedy savages” exploit him by making a movie that is nowhere the ‘real’ truth!Also,I’m angry because these “vultures” knew that Michael was not well and nowhere ready enough to pull off 50 concerts but they chose to remain oblivious to these facts and instead of seeking help for his problem & just calling the whole thing off in the first place,they literally ignored all of this because they really didn’t care about him,they only cared about $$$!!!!
---------------------------------

Hi – Where did you learn about the real truth story as I think you posted it on one of these blogs and it disappeared.


Anne   October 1st, 2009 12:29 am ET

I do not know anything about the investigation but I think the fact that the family has been told to be quiet about Murray and none of them is complaining about how long the investigation is taking is significant.


Anne   October 1st, 2009 12:36 am ET

I think it was a post from facebook. I just finished watching Live From Japan. I got it from netflix to check it out and now I want to buy it. The picture quality is not very good but it is the only Bad Tour dvd for sale at present. I have watched it several times and now I do not want to give it back.


Janice   October 1st, 2009 12:44 am ET

@Anne

You can buy it at ioffer dot com...all kinds of live concerts for sale there. I own several, MJ Live in Munich, Live in Seoul, Live in Brunei, Live Copenhagen, Live in Mexico, Live in Japan, Live in Sidney...the list goes on and on. I can never get enough of Michael Jackson Live! Also, you can get the 30th anniversary special, the 84 Grammys, MTV 1995, the original Michael Jackson talks to Oprah from 1993, Living With Michael Take 2, etc. Everything you could ever want to own on DVD of Michael Jackson can be found there....


Victoria J   October 1st, 2009 12:44 am ET

Sadly, I have been in agreement with MourningMJ about the need for the family to have had Michael committed for rehab and mental health therapy since 2005. The man was traumatized and appeared severely depressed and it did not take a rocket scientist to see it. And who would not have been after going through what all he had been through. Although, I think he was really good-looking in 2009 (corrected some bad plastic surgery and looked like the mature, older man that he was without wrinkles :o); however, his weight is very concerning to me. He started the rehearsals underweight and although he had always kept his body lean, he was never underweight. In some of the "This Is It" footage, the lights shine through his pants and you can see his knee looks very skeletal with the knee bone protruding. That caused me to pause and start asking "Why, these people close to him would not take very necessary and hard actions to get him to professional help?" I have been in some situations where the responsibile adult had to make the hard call and those situations have taken years to help the person and to reconcile the relationship because of actions done out of love. The very sad ending is that Michael had a lot more to give and if not to the music industry, certainly to those three beautiful and precious children. He would have wanted to live for them vibrantly if he had gotten the right help. In my heart, I know that for certain about Michael Jackson.


Sue   October 1st, 2009 12:48 am ET

We don't really know what MJ wanted disclosed from the tapes publically, but I think he did want some type of book written. I found his own words interesting and very human. The story about him and Madonna was funny because it was what really happened.

I dont' really believe the Rabbi's intention is to try to exploit him. Everyone wants to know about MJ anyways. Why not hear his own words?


Janice   October 1st, 2009 12:55 am ET

See my last post above....and for all you ladies...the Live in Munich, Copenhagen, Seoul, Brunei...those are the GOLD PANTS concerts!


Anne   October 1st, 2009 1:00 am ET

Thanks very much Janice! I want to buy every dvd I can find of all his live performances.


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 1:29 am ET

Okay so if you google the Dublin address that "mj" posted tonight it comes up with very exclusive rental properties that rent through Christies (as in the famous auction house) realty. They are huge mansions that boast excellent security and seculsion. Who's writing to the address?


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 1:34 am ET

Very interesting data, Lynn. 🙂

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 1:38 am ET

I knew this would happen, Nicole. That's why we relocated him.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 1:46 am ET

Lori- I hope there isn't a computer at the new address so that the new location isn't compromised. If it is you'll have to move him all over again!=)


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 1:55 am ET

Ok, don't get carried away here. 😀

But hey, then again...we are the MJCSI.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


marguerite   October 1st, 2009 1:55 am ET

so you are saying the address isn't a current one.


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 2:00 am ET

Lynn - do you want to take the next relocation?

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 2:01 am ET

I love a good CSI mystery!!! As of the 21st of September that address along with the rest of the adresses on that street have been rented according to the website rent ie.com When was Jermaine in Ireland? Maybe he has heard about the girls on this blog and wants to chat LOL=) Nicole isn't Jermaine your man?


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 2:05 am ET

Sure I'd love too? Chicago isn't the most secluded of areas so I will have to take him somewhere a little quieter. . .I've always wanted to see Egypt, we could recreatre the whole Remember the Time vibe!! Oh wait weren't the gold pants in that video. . .ok girls i'll be back in a few. I need some air i'm starting to get a liitle faint=)


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 2:07 am ET

I meant sure I'd love to!!! No question about it!! The thought of the gold pants was making my mind short-circuit!


Susan62509   October 1st, 2009 2:07 am ET

Tuesday September 29, 2009 From Roger FriedmanL:

It’s sort of amazing watching Shmuley Boteach, a rabbi with no congregation other than an unwitting public, selling out Michael Jackson. He’s just published a book of interviews he taped with Michael back in 2000-2001. All the money goes to Boteach. There’s no charity involved. (Ironically, Boteach also recently published a book called “The Blessing of Enough: Rejecting Material Greed, Embracing Spiritual Hunger.”)

That wasn’t the case in 2000 when I met both Michael and Boteach together one November night. It was at the home of PR guru Howard Rubenstein. Boteach had convinced Michael to start a new charity with him called Time for Kids. They were going to teach parents to spend time with their children.

There were about 3o people in the Rubensteins’ Fifth Avenue living room. Boteach gave a long speech about Michael being the “most misunderstood” celebrity in the world, said he loved children so much he had mannequins of them in his Neverland bedroom. That revelation went over like a lead balloon.

On February 14, 2001, Time for Kids had its first and only get together, People bought tickets to see Michael, Boteach and assorted celebrities like Johnnie Cochran, Mother Love, Judith Regan, Chuck Woolery and Dr. Drew Pinsky talk about spending more time with children. The event was called “Love, Work, and Parenting: Can You Be a Success in the Bedroom, the Boardroom, and the Family Room?” It was only 70% full. The tickets were $40, $30, and $20.

Michael told the crowd, when he finally spoke: “I’m having trouble finding a date for myself even though Rabbi Shmuley tells me he’s going to find me the perfect woman. And I tell him, as long as it’s not a journalist!”

When the accounting for the event finally came in on a Form 990, it showed (I reported then) a total of $203,185 collected from direct public support. At the same time, the charity’s expenses totaled $259,432. All but $20,000 of that was spent on staff salaries and office expenses. No money went to children of any kind.

Listed on the IRS filing were an organization president, secretary and treasurer. The latter two, this reporter discovered after making some calls, were Boteach’s sister and mother. The sister, Ateret Diveroli, repeated exactly what the mother had: “I’m not part of that anymore.”

Mrs. Diveroli insisted to me that her brother was “very honest” and had stopped working with Michael Jackson “because nothing was happening. He wasn’t doing anything.”

That was pretty much it for Michael and Shmuley’s friendship. There was a trip to Oxford a couple of months later, but by June 2001 Jackson’s “Invincible” album came out. In September he performed his 30th anniversary shows. Shmuley was gone. From the time Jackson was arrested in 2003 until his death, Boteach was out of his life. Jackson surely had no memory of making tapes with Boteach, and no desire to have them published.

And yet, Shmuley is back. He will flog his short, unheralded relationship to Michael Jackson for as long as the public — or TV bookers– can bear it. The real kicker: that his publicist sent out press releases yesterday, on Yom Kippur, offering copies of the book and excerpts. While every other rabbi in the world was praying, Shmuley Boteach was busy marketing Michael Jackson for profit. Buyer beware.


marguerite   October 1st, 2009 2:09 am ET

I do know one thing. None of you know MJ, because if you did you would keep your mouths shut as real friends would and not making a joke out of him.


Susan62509   October 1st, 2009 2:12 am ET

Maria G:

Are you the one that has been blogging here for many months and now added the "G" to distinguish yourself?

The newer maria didn't capitalize her "M" initial.


Susan62509   October 1st, 2009 2:18 am ET

In my opinion, I don't think we should bash CNN or LKL for MJ pictures, negative MJ topics, LKL's interviewing techniques, etc. CNN goes an extra mile to keep MJ topics on this blog for us. We should be more grateful to CNN and stop dogging them.


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 2:19 am ET

Marguerite-
Are you referring to the people in the aerticle before your post or to the people on this blog?


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 2:22 am ET

Lynn - Well...yes, I'm quite fond of Jermaine. He's a cutie. I can't help myself. But I still keep it lady-like. 🙂

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 2:25 am ET

Oh, and Lynn...Jermaine is across the water. He and La Toya were at the MOBO awards on Wednesday.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 2:25 am ET

Nicole- That's good! I've always been taught if you don't have your manners you don't have anything=)


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 2:27 am ET

The whole Jackson family seems to be in Europe! I saw that Janet was doing some work with amFar in Milan as well!


marguerite   October 1st, 2009 2:28 am ET

You gals that are joking about moving him. If I am wrong, sorry.


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 2:35 am ET

Oh, that is a referrence to a long standing joke on these blogs that has NOTHING to do with moving Michael's actual body. Absolutely no disrespect was intended!! I'm very sorry that I gave that impression. I definately was never fortunate enough to have met Michael in life, but I have nothing but the utmost respect for him as a person and admiration for him as an artist!!!!


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 2:35 am ET

I would like to be in Europe – but it unfortunately requires air travel,...and I am not a good flyer.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 2:37 am ET

Lynn - Yes, she auctioned, for charity, the Swarovski crystal boots I wish I had. I love Swarovski crystals!

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 2:38 am ET

Nicole, I totally crave those boots. But I am trying to be frugal.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 2:40 am ET

Ironically, I have always wanted to go to Ireland (i'm Irish) and London (big Princess Di fan and studied English Lit. in college). The flying wouldn't bother me, but everything is so expensive there. I had a friend that visited this summer and she said a Big Mac was around $12 in London!! I am no where near that tax bracket!!


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 2:44 am ET

Can you imagine owning boots that he performed in? Talk about magical!!! And then covered in Swarovski crystals. . . well that is just icing on the cake!! Too bad I didn't have an extra 53 grand around the house; I would so have gotten into a bidding war with Kanye=)


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 2:45 am ET

Lori - Get over the flying anxiety, because we're going to get you a barf bag for next year's trip to the London tribute.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 2:49 am ET

LOL Lynn...then Kanye would throw a tantrum and say that his bid was better than yours. (I still like Kanye though.)

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 2:50 am ET

I will have to do something...maybe hypnosis...

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Kim   October 1st, 2009 2:54 am ET

Madonna most certainly would not be angry about what Michael said so long ago. Even in her speech at the VMA's she herself admitted that she and all the other celebrities should be ashamed of themselves for not standing by Michael and supporting him through those rough times. You could tell that Madonna was truly sorry and felt very bad for failing to support Michael and she was upset that so many other of Michaels so called friends desserted him when the rough times hit. So yes I agree these tapes should not have been released but as far as Madonna being mad about what Michael said on the tape about her I'm betting she would agree with what he felt at that time and she is definitely sorry for that.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 2:54 am ET

Lori - I'll get Criss Angel on the phone for you. We're going to get you to the UK one way or another. 🙂

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 2:55 am ET

Maybe Criss and I can just levitate there...seems easier, quicker, cheaper....

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 2:59 am ET

Nicole- I like Kanye too he has some great music and he's from Chicago (my neck of the woods), but lets just say he would have to pry those boots from my cold dead hands if I had the cash to purchase. It would make that whole Taylor Swift thing look like a cakewalk!!


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 3:00 am ET

@Lynn - I can just imagine! 🙂

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:04 am ET

LOL Lynn...I think it would be a knock-down, drag-out for those boots! I bet those things are fierce!

Swarovski crystal are expensive; I've used them on some projects before.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:05 am ET

Correction: Swarovski crystals

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:06 am ET

hi nicole and lori, lynn and not to forget**mj**


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 3:07 am ET

I think I need to check out this "mj" poster for myself these "cottages" (more like mansions) are so beautiful and the area is so gorgeous. I think its time to go investigate my roots and expose the "mj" blogger!


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 3:10 am ET

@Lynn - ROAD TRIP!! Drat requires air travel.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:10 am ET

Hi Jacqueline. You're exactly right, because he's probably lurking around here tonight. He likes to hit and run.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 3:11 am ET

I read this book once where these women had a book club and they decided to buy something really expensive and share it with each other as a bonding experience. So they bought a diamond necklace and each took turns wearing it. I think that the LKL blog girls should find the guy from the auction and buy the boots!!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:12 am ET

lynn even when we search for this mj blogger he will never expose him to us
michael will never do this to us
if he was alife that means a lot of people know his children ,parents
liz even the da murrey klein and all the others no this is a sick hoax


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 3:12 am ET

I figure best case senario we find Michael alive and well!!! Worst case, we expose fake "mj' and bring a little justice his way. I think its a win-win situation!!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:12 am ET

Lori - Then an air trip it is!

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 3:13 am ET

@Lynn - I am down with that plan. But I think everyone will have to chip in. I love boots. I loveSwarovski crystals.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


mytake   October 1st, 2009 3:13 am ET

I see the talk is frivolous this morning. I'm just saying hello and then getting to bed.

I have to get up in 4 hours...So hi everyone still on here and how are you?


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:15 am ET

lynn we all can do that we all get something from those boots
one Swarovski crystal for every one


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:16 am ET

Hi mytake.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 3:16 am ET

Hello Jacqueline !!
Lori- I will find a cruise ship to get you over there!! You don't get sea-sick do you?


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 3:18 am ET

@Lynn – mmmm a cruise–sounds nice. But a jet is quicker. Whatever the group decides is ok with me.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:18 am ET

Now, I can tell you right now this is not a good plan. If I get my turn with the boots, they will stay with me forever. 🙂

Maybe I will just design some.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:18 am ET

lori i loved them to
my daughter made neckles brachelets she love it there is a site called josh they made those things is expensif so she made those josh juwelery


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 3:19 am ET

Jacqueline- One crystal is probably all I can afford=)
Hello mytake!!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:20 am ET

Lori - You're going to fly; we're going to get those fears erased.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


mytake   October 1st, 2009 3:21 am ET

Schumley made it to ET, whereto next? All the remaining newsmagazine shows, perhaps.

I'm just sick of it all.

But carry on about the boots, don't let me spoil your fun.

I'm saying goodnite in a minute or two.


Susan62509   October 1st, 2009 3:21 am ET

Lori:

Hypnosis works great to fly. I've done it and highly recommend it.


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:21 am ET

lynn the cristals are not so expensif the disenger is the name is expensif lol


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:24 am ET

last night i was dreaming but there was no michael in his golden pants
but my husband what a nightmare[ not my husband he looks ok buthmmmmmm]


mytake   October 1st, 2009 3:25 am ET

Goodnight. I won't get involved in this book and flying conversation, or I have no desire to.

Have fun, ladies!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:26 am ET

i loved to see mj in his golden leather pants than my husband lol


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:26 am ET

Jacqueline...the Swarovski crystal can be expensive too, if you select the right type. And you're right, the designer is expensive too.

Can you imagine the handcrafted workmanship that goes into a project like that? I love it!

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Susan62509   October 1st, 2009 3:26 am ET

Good night Mytake. Sleep well.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:28 am ET

Good night, mytake.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 3:28 am ET

Mytake- I wouldn't doubt if he made the rounds to everyone and then did his own special for TLC; he already has a show there. It is sickening. I feel like his angle is all about how he tried to save Michael; he is so self- promoting. I really wish someone would ask him the hard questions about his past and the severance of Michael's ties with him over Schumley's misappropraition of charitable funds. . but that will never happen because it is not sensational enough towards Michael. It is maddening, I guess that's why I need a little frivolous boot conversation once in a while. . to temporarily escape the injustice of it all=)


mytake   October 1st, 2009 3:28 am ET

I meant, boots and flying conversation, but no one's paying any attention anyway.

Bye.


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 3:30 am ET

OK NIcole, I will fly. I will work on it. I haven't felt the same about air travel since my son started jumping out of planes for his uncle.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:30 am ET

good night mytake


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 3:33 am ET

If I get on the plane, can I wear the boots?

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 3:34 am ET

Nicole- I remember Michael talking about how he loved ornate things because of the workmanship involved! I think it was in the Ebony interview. I love coture things, they are truly one of a kind. Even if they are replicated they are never duplicated. . it cool to think that you have a creation that is totally unique and original!!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:34 am ET

Well, I personally like the boot conversation. I think Michael's boots were fly, as was he.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:34 am ET

we dont hear anythig anymore from dr death klein and all the others
maybe they are one an dessert eiland and enjoying themselfs


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:36 am ET

nicole do you know what size michaels foot where


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:38 am ET

Lynn - I agree, which is why handcrafted items are so incredibly special. I wonder what the bidder plans to do with the boots. Place them on display somewhere?

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 3:39 am ET

I like the boot conversation too!! I think of it like the Bible says in Proverbs; there is a time for mourning and dancing. I am heartbroken over the loss of Michael and I grieve for that, but I also think it is important to celebrate what he was in life. . and that includes his artistry which was evidenced in his sense of style!!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:40 am ET

nicole i dont know where i put them the boots i realy love them


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 3:41 am ET

Actually I think that passage is in Ecclesiastes but you all get the point I'm sure=)


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:41 am ET

Jacqueline - I think around a 9 1/2. Don't hold it against me. But I think it was 9 1/2.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:42 am ET

lynn he loves to laugh and make jokes so ones in a while we can


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 3:43 am ET

I think it would be great if the bidder put them in an exhibit for all to see!! If I had bought them though I would have to try them on, the temptation would be too great!! To stand where he stood. . .


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:45 am ET

Lynn - Yes, I know what you're saying. He gives us beauty for ashes. 🙂

Michael would want us to smile, even if our hearts are broken. 🙂

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 3:46 am ET

Jacqueline- Very true!! And laughter can be a good medicine!! It is important to remember and celebrate all that Michael was and represented.


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 3:48 am ET

Nicole- Beauty for Ashes is a beautiful song!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:51 am ET

i wish there was a blog when michael was a life so he can see how he was loved
maybe he was not so depressed after all so that we can bring him in good moods


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:52 am ET

Lynn - Yes it is a beautiful song...and based on a definite truth.

For everything, there is a time and purpose.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:54 am ET

nicole who sings this


marin-indonesia   October 1st, 2009 3:54 am ET

@ jaqueline from holland: this is the latest update about michael jackson from lapd's blog.. dated 28 august 2009:
August 28, 2009
Michael Jackson Death Investigation Update

Los Angeles: Today, the Los Angeles County Coroner’s Office released their findings on the cause and manner of the death of Michael Jackson. This announcement affords the Los Angeles Police Department the opportunity to provide an update on the ongoing investigation.

On August 20, 2009, the Los Angeles Police Department (LAPD) met with representatives from the United States Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) and the California Department of Justice, Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement (BNE) to discuss information discovered during the investigation into the death of Michael Jackson. Based on that meeting and at the request of the LAPD, the DEA and BNE have initiated their own independent investigations into matters that the LAPD’s investigation uncovered that may not be directly related to the cause of death.

The LAPD is the primary investigative agency responsible for the investigation into the death of Michael Jackson. The Department will continue to use the assistance of the DEA and BNE as necessary, and these agencies will continue to cooperate with each other as their various investigations progress.

The investigation into the death of Michael Jackson is ongoing and will result in the case being presented to the Los Angeles County District Attorney for filing consideration. Until that time, LAPD detectives will continue to meet and confer with District Attorney representatives.

The LAPD would like to acknowledge and thank the following law enforcement agencies for their assistance in this investigation: the United States Department of Justice, Drug Enforcement Administration; the California Department of Justice, Bureau of Narcotics Enforcement; the Houston Police Department and Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department.

The LAPD will not comment on any further aspects of this investigation.


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:56 am ET

hello marin how are you


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:57 am ET

well another month has past takes a long long time


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 3:58 am ET

Jacqueline - Crystal Lewis.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


marin-indonesia   October 1st, 2009 3:59 am ET

@ jaqueline from holland : oh! you're asking about dr klein and i'm posting the death investiagation update. my mistake. sooo sorry. shame on me 😦


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 3:59 am ET

i wonder what they all doiing let me think they all"'picking there noses"


marin-indonesia   October 1st, 2009 4:00 am ET

@ jaqueline: i'm fine thank u... and how are you. i'm still at my office and steal some time to blogging here hahaha... hope my boss wont find out. 😀


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:01 am ET

hahaha marin its ok
nicole never hear of her maybe i wil look for it in youtube


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 4:01 am ET

marin - Thank you for posting that. Well, since they are no longer commenting on the investigation, maybe they can get something done and wrap this up for the DA's air tight case.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 4:03 am ET

Arnold Klein's twitter says he is presenting a lecture on Michel Jackson called "Heal the Skin" I wonder if that is supposed to be a play on words with Heal the World? Kinda shameless


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:05 am ET

nicol i hope so but after all those bad publisheti putting michael in a bad light i wonder what kind of jury he will get


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 4:06 am ET

I misspelled Michael's name SORRY!!! It's getting late. . .or should I say early=)


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 4:07 am ET

Uncle Arnie is shameless. To bad he's not speechless.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:08 am ET

well he klein got nothing els to do anymore so he will get some bucks too whats new those days every one makes profet from michael books pastic surgery tapes magazines tv


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 4:09 am ET

Jacqueline - You should look for it. The part of the song goes like this:

He gives beauty for ashes
Strength for fear
Gladness for mourning
Peace for despair

When sorrow seems to surround you
When suffering hangs heavy o'er your head
Know that tomorrow brings
Wholeness and healing
God knows your need
Just believe what He said

When what you've done keeps you from moving on
When fear wants to make itself at home in your heart
Know that forgiveness brings
Wholeness and healing
God knows your need
Just believe what He said
****

Michael would want his fans to have peace.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:10 am ET

nicole thank you i will look it up


marin-indonesia   October 1st, 2009 4:11 am ET

Lori – Justice For Michael

Uncle Arnie is shameless. To bad he’s not speechless.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”
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good word lori you make laugh sooo hard! -lol-


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 4:16 am ET

Using Michael's name to generate interest his work this seems like it would violate Dr./patient confidentiality. He could get sued for this. I don't think this would ever be appropriate but 3 months after your friends death you trade on his trust and use his medical history to get notariety for yourself. . .new low Dr. Klein!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:17 am ET

lynn i think its past bedtime now for you and lori, nicole


Mila   October 1st, 2009 4:17 am ET

**mj** – it seems Foxrock is in postal code 18 in Dublin


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:20 am ET

you know why dont we all go to dublin and scare the hell out of him lol


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 4:20 am ET

@Lynn - Why should Uncle Arnie be any different from the rest of Michael's so called "friends". Poor Michael.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 4:20 am ET

Lynn - It didn't stop Klein from getting on TV right after Michael died, talking about the procedures he'd performed.

I wish they would go ahead and arrest his behind.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:21 am ET

nicole well said


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 4:22 am ET

It is past my bedtime. These blogs just feed my imsomnia=( Thanks everyone for the great conversation. I will now try to dream about my little cottage in Dublin with the crystal boots under my bed! Nicole, Jacqueline and Lori I will ship them to you all when the dream is over!! Good night all=)


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:23 am ET

hahaha lynn sweet dreams


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 4:25 am ET

Lori- So true sick bunch they have proved themselves to be.
Nicole- Maybe if LAPD can't get to the bottom of this we could make a citizens arrest?!!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 4:25 am ET

Good night, Lynn. It will be like the Sisterhood of the Traveling MJ Boots. 🙂

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 4:26 am ET

Night Lynn - see you tomorrow. I will be waiting for my boots to arrive.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 4:27 am ET

Lynn - True, although Klein could also benefit from a visit by the fashion police...

Anyhoo, sweet dreams.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 4:27 am ET

Nicole- I like it=)
Good Night!!


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 4:28 am ET

@Nicole – I wonder how Arnie looks in Orange?

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:29 am ET

lynn dont put the boots under your bed
those boots are made for walking and ofcouse for michael dancing


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:30 am ET

lori like a orange fits him well


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 4:30 am ET

Lori-
I'll send them air-mail!!!
Good Night=)


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:32 am ET

lori i forgat a big big orange


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 4:32 am ET

Lori - I will design an orange jumpsuit, especially for Uncle Arnie. Complete with rhinestones and Swarovski crystals. He will be all the rave on Cellblock C.

I'll even throw in a matching ensemble for Dr. Death Murray.

Maybe some rhinestones on the orange sneakers too.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:33 am ET

nicole lol


Lynn-IL   October 1st, 2009 4:34 am ET

Jacqueline-
You are absolutely right!! I will wear them to be so I can moonwalk through my dreams=)
Good Night!!!

I really mean it this time, I gotta get some rest!!


Lori - Justice For Michael   October 1st, 2009 4:37 am ET

@Nicole – I can hardly wait to see them both in their flashy orange jumpsuits trying to learn the cell block tango.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL
“YOU CAN’T FOOL THE FANS”


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   October 1st, 2009 4:39 am ET

Good night to everyone. 🙂

I will soon hop to the task of designing those jumpsuits...maybe add some feathers...sky's the limit.

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:39 am ET

the lyrics of these boots are made foor walking nancy sinatra i love it specially when she sings one of these days these boots
are gonna walk all over you. murray smuly boathech klein dd


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:40 am ET

not to foget mr uri spoon up in your **ss


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:43 am ET

sweet dreams nicole


jacqueline from holland   October 1st, 2009 4:47 am ET

im goiing too ,see you all later
love


Stu,Hungary   October 1st, 2009 4:59 am ET

Amy,i think,you are wright.He was not alaud to tell all this secret without permet.


smc341,NJ   October 1st, 2009 5:28 am ET

Larry, you are very professional, however why didn't you ask the Rabbi why he didn't have Michael Jackson on tape saying to the Rabbi in his own words that the tapes he was making were "On The Record" to be used in the publication of a book? I believe the answer is because Michael never wanted these tapes aired on national television. Also, was it really necessary to air the negative things Michael said about Madonna 9 years ago?? Very inappropriate in my opinion right after Madonna gave a beautiful tribute to Michael at the VMA awards a few weeks ago. Michael wouldn't have wanted to hurt her feelings I believe. The airing of that was just disrespectful to his memory.

CNN, NBC and the rest of the media is sticking it to Michael once again. No wonder he felt he couldn't trust anyone his entire life. He had bloodsuckers making a buck off of him all his life. The Rabbi is the latest person to do so.

One last thing, why has no news agency covering this story shown a contract for this book deal/tape recordings with Michael Jackson's signature on it? Answer: there never was a contract. MJ never wanted these recordings made public. Where is the Contract, Where is a signed waiver???

Lastly, why are there hardly any updates on MJ's homicide investigation? Why isn't the media covering this? They covered Anna Nicole and Natalee Holloway (neither of which contributed 1/1,000,000th as much as Michael to our culture). Justice for Michael Jackson now please.


Tara   October 1st, 2009 5:51 am ET

i am so tired of michael's so-called "friend" coming out against him. schmuley, lester, gellar, and klein are the most disgusting image of a friend. how long have they been waiting to stab michael in the back??? michael was a caring and kind soul who, yes struggled with his own demons, like many of us. his fans would like to know him and remember him by the beautiful and loving acts he did around this world.
michael may God bless you and protect you


smc341,NJ   October 1st, 2009 5:57 am ET

by Rabbi Michael Sternfield | Chicago Jewish News
Monday, 28 September 2009

As a rabbi of over 30 years experience, I was both appalled and disappointed in the story by Rabbi Shmuley Boteach concerning his friendship with and impressions of Michael Jackson. In so many ways, Rabbi Boteach crossed over the line of propriety and professional ethics.

Rabbis along with other clergy, along with the practitioners of all the helping professions, are bound by definite rules of confidentiality. It is precisely this rule which enables us to assist people who depend upon us to preserve the sacred bond of trust. What we discuss or experience with people who seek our assistance are meant to be kept absolutely private.

There are no exceptions. In fact, physicians and lawyers who violate this trust lose their licenses to practice should their breach of confidence be discovered. Even when those that we have counseled or befriended are no longer living, the same rule applies.

period.

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I copied the above post in order to comment on it.

Dear Rabbi Sternfield: you are the first professional that I have seen commenting on this situation. Yes, I agree with you completely, Rabbi Shmuley has breached the confidence of his friend/client Michael Jackson. Thank you for writing this post. I do not care whether Michael Jackson said that he wanted these tapes published at the time, he obviously was in a lot of distress at the time and might have thought differently about having his private conversations published at a later time. This whole situation is despicable. This Rabbi as well as NBC, CNN and other media have really stooped to a new low this time.

If this was done to any other famous (or private) person there would be a public outcry I believe. Michael Jackson was always their favorite whipping boy so it's okay for the media to continue to drag his name through the mud. He was a human being, why does the media continue to treat him like he's not a person. How dare they.

Also, having grown up listening to this man's music I took him for granted for years, believing the media's b.s. I am disgusted with them. I have now re-discovered Michael Jackson's music and have found out about his philanthropic work which I had not known about because it was not really publicized. My respect for this man has grown immeasurably. I never expected him to die so young, I'm sorry he had to live with so much pain in his life. He gave a lot of joy to millions of people while he was alive with his beautiful music. He'll never be forgotten, he was a beautiful person who needed help but didn't get it unfortunately. His life was a triumph and a tragedy. R.I.P. Michael.


liberty rodriguez   October 1st, 2009 6:00 am ET

We call for Michael¹s vindication by MAINSTREAM MEDIA. MJ was acquitted by a jury in 2005. Not good enough. For his children¹s sake, mainstream media must become more responsible. We discuss how truth can compel mainstream media to publicly admit it wrongly accused MJ of despicable crimes. Many people still believe MJ was guilty. They were influenced to believe the allegations by a biased MAINSTREAM MEDIA. No links allowed here so search at Yahoo Groups for "vindication better than tributes."


SuzieCanada   October 1st, 2009 6:51 am ET

Personally, I see a lot of humor in the Michael/Madonna story. I can just imagine Madonna and Michael arguing about whether to go to Disneyland (Michael) or got to strip club and read sex books. This is hilarious ...


MaryRM   October 1st, 2009 7:43 am ET

Regarding the post about 'the ‘real’ truth behind the “masquerade” that is THIS IS IT – there are some things that don't make sense and I question the veracity of the statements. I went to the website because it said Fox News, but the story actually came from the Sun. I saw that that web page also had that story that Michael used the cartilage in his ear to fix his nose which must be false because 2 days before he died, his ear looked fine. Also the claim that Michael wanted to do 10 shows and then tour – it is known that Michael hated touring, we heard him say it himself. Staying in 1 place for an extended period would be less stressful and more logical, especially in a city like London. So if people say he was over-stressed and knew it, logic dictates that he would not want the show on the road.

I am also very curious to see where the extreme thinness fits into the timeline in This is it. 2 days before he died, on the footage he looks heavier than on the human nature rehearsal clip which looks more like early to mid rehearsal timeframe. If the muscians approached Michael with concerns about his health at that time, it would explain the re-hiring of the chef and her claim that Michael said "you have to keep me healthy."

Anyway, that's my 2 cents


kathy40   October 1st, 2009 7:52 am ET

MJ said "she is not a nice person"', but that was when they were having dinner andsome children asked for autographsMadonna told them to go away.MJsaid: "You don't talk to them like that". Then she said "Oh shut up" and Michael said: "No YOU shut up" I just loved that part!!!! As for Shmuley, he is the most despicable person on earth he could have helped MJ at the time of the trial he passed judgement on him and abandoned him. Now he want to REDEEM Michael!!! Now that he's dead?? Come on! It's just greed.
Shmuley should be discussing "This rapist Polanski". He raped a 13 year old girl. Pleaded guilty and then fled the country. Now he has a large group of "friends defending him". Even the girl, now 45 years old has forgiven him. And poor Michael proven innocent and they're still bashing him calling him a pervert and all. WHERE ARE ALL THESE so-called MJ friends. Those co-artists he always wanted to share the spotlight with. I am so disapponted at Diana Ross for keeping so quiet. She did'nt go to the memorials. Those people should get together and honor MJ. That will be REDEMPTION. He deserves that.


Judie   October 1st, 2009 7:52 am ET

Morning all,

Mary we love your 2 cents...


kathy40   October 1st, 2009 8:11 am ET

Dear Jackson Family(estate), Please go on with the lawsuits and get EVERYONE who is hurting your departed , gifted son!!! When he was alive evrybody was out to sue him. Please, please DO SOMETHING!!!!


MaryRM   October 1st, 2009 8:11 am ET

Maureen – don't know what to think on that – appears real yet doesn't make sense that he would want to tour – touring is very hard on a person, so why would he want to take it on the road. Logic says one thing, this article says another, not possible to determine the truth from information received to date. I like the comments below though that article though!

Got to go – I'll catch up again tonight or at least try to 🙂


Maureen (UK)   October 1st, 2009 8:33 am ET

MaryFM
The contract apparently allowed for a world tour, of 31 concerts originally. I will try & find a link for that. But Michael could have done up to (?)31 concerts over a greater amount of time: 2 years not crammed into every other night (3 to 4 per week) for months.

It was a gruelling schedule but obviously cost effective to AEG. Preparing the staging & Hi Tec equipment in one setting would have worked well for AEG. How can anyone sing, let alone dance for that long.

Must go. 🙂


kathy40   October 1st, 2009 8:37 am ET

Oh Janice, you really crack me up "Smelly Buttcheeks". PRICELESS!!!


Vee   October 1st, 2009 9:30 am ET

Aside from the obvious betrayal and mercenary nature of Rabbi Shmuley, I am most disturbed by the organized manner in which the media have promoted this man’s violation of Michael. Shmuley has appeared on every major network in the last week and the book has been pushed as if the networks are getting a share of the profits. Why is it still necessary for the media to gang up on Michael and attempt to defame him? Shmuley waited until Michael died and couldn’t challenge or defend what he said. Shmuley severed ties with Michael eight years ago so why come out claiming to care about him now. I don’t believe for one second that Michael wanted his personal pain exposed as Shmuley claims. Michael was very private and very courteous toward other artist. Shmuley is a liar and he was no friend of Michael Jackson’s.


pat davis   October 1st, 2009 9:34 am ET

Everyday more and more things bother me about this Schumley and his recordings!

Okay, Schumley was Michael so called "spititual advisor", I'm thinking meeting with Schumley would be like meeting for a counseling/therapy type session. Wouldn't that be something that is recorded on tape? Think about it these recordings were made over a period of eight months. Why so long? An interview for a book could have been done in a week or two of recordings. I think these were sessions Michael had with Schumley as an advisor from Aug.2000-April 2001, and now that Michael's no longer here hes used them for a book.

Something else that questions me is, IF Michael wanted these recording published then changed his mind after the molestation charges, why did Schumley still have the tapes? Why wouldn't they have been in Michael's possession?


Anne   October 1st, 2009 9:37 am ET

Spike Lee is filming his own short documentary about MJ's life to be released shortly before the This Is It! movie. He also said he loves the song "Scared of the Moon" on the Essential MJ album.


Patty Anderson   October 1st, 2009 9:38 am ET

Morning everyone
Hi Pat did you have any luck on ebay?


Amy   October 1st, 2009 9:40 am ET

smc341,NJ

Well said


Amy   October 1st, 2009 9:48 am ET

Agree 100% with you,kathy40w.


Samantha - South Africa   October 1st, 2009 9:49 am ET

@MaryRM

Apparently Michael was indeed having second thoughts about This Is It & also had told some fitness instructor that those who were running the show were being mean to him.Furthermore,it is alleged that on the night of 24 June,Michael was set on calling the entire show off but as we know,this never materialized.Though one still has to wonder as to what is fiction and fact.


Amy   October 1st, 2009 9:52 am ET

Pat Davis

Maybe Schmuley made an illegal copy?


pat davis   October 1st, 2009 9:56 am ET

Hi Patty,

I've been so busy the past few days I really haven't gotten a chance to do that yet. In fact I still have to get on FB. Now that we're getting closer to the weekend I'll have a little more "me time"!

Maybe you can answer a question for me, did you see the rabbi on LKL? If you did was Michael recorded saying that he wanted his conversations to be published? I didn't catch the whole interview.

(Earlier, I meant if Schumley was Michael's "spiritual" advisor)


Samantha - South Africa   October 1st, 2009 9:57 am ET

@Pat

There is NO written agreement let alone a voice recording of Michael granting permission to make public the conversations as well as publishing a book based on these very tapes and since neither of these have been presented,what does this tell us?


kiki   October 1st, 2009 9:58 am ET

Hi, everyone.

Did you read an open letter from Boteach to Britney in 2004? I thought the part in which he talks about childhood seems very sarcastic to Michael... Maybe I'm thinking too much...

It said "You and I once met, in the hotel room of Michael Jackson in late 2000 (I was the short one with the frizzy whiskers; Michael was the one with the high-pitched voice and the sunglasses). On that occasion, I barely knew who you were, although I had heard some reports of your striptease at the MTV music awards. When we met, you were all of 19 years old, and you looked it. You were unsure of yourself in front of Michael and your boyfriend, Justin Timberlake – some boyfriend he turned out to be – did most of the talking.

Who would have thought that meeting would have prophetically portended your having become the female Michael Jackson. That three short years later you would have tragically deteriorated into a female celebrity train wreck. A woman famous not for her music or dance, but increasingly for her irresponsible public antics. A performer notorious no longer for her albums, but for the outrageous sexual impact she has on young kids. A celebrity renowned not for public talent, but private desperation, not for virtue, but for being prepared to do almost anything for one more headline (did I say the word almost?).

Perhaps, Britney, this should make me pity rather than dislike you. Not knowing much about your childhood, I am unsure whether you were given the attention you needed as a young girl, and if not, whether this obsession with tawdry publicity is simply a cry to be loved. But pity, sadly, is the last emotion I feel since you have decided to pursue your fame at the expense of something that was once honored as a woman's dignity." (wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=36534)


Anne   October 1st, 2009 10:03 am ET

I am going to try to make it to the bookstore and sit down and read MJ's taped conversations because I really want to know what he said. I refus to read anything Boteach says.

I wish so much that MJ had confided in someone or written down his thoughts because I think it would have been fascinating to know how he really felt about his life and all his motivations behind his music/performances, what it was like to know so many famous people, how he felt about being a parent, how the trial changed him, what he wished he had done differently. Senator Kennedy and Patrick Swayze wrote great autobiographies which allowed them to control their own legacy in print.


pat davis   October 1st, 2009 10:08 am ET

Amy,

That's exactly what I'm thinking. This guys background really needs to be investigated. Then he keeps saying he terminated his and Michael's friendship! That's funny, I tend to believe Michael terminated him! I don't think to many people walked out of Michael's life willingly.


Anne   October 1st, 2009 10:10 am ET

Wow, I had never seen that letter from Boteach to Spears. He certainly is arrogant.

He goes on to say

"My old friend Michael Jackson should be a lesson to you. At heart he is a decent man, a kind-hearted and humble spirit. But what destroyed him – and what is destroying you – is being bereft of a normal life, the sting of which is compensated for by the soothing warmth of the spotlight. "


pat davis   October 1st, 2009 10:27 am ET

Hi Samantha,

It tells us just what I thought from the beginning, the rabbi is full of it! Those were private conversations never meant to be heard!


pat davis   October 1st, 2009 10:42 am ET

Who does this rabbi think he is! Writing to Britney Spears! It seems as if he is jealous of those with fame! That's why hes writing this book, to become famous at the expense of another! He knew exactly what he was doing when he recorded Michael Jackson!


Luda   October 1st, 2009 10:44 am ET

I dont’ really believe the Rabbi’s intention is to try to exploit him
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Not only in 2001 he exploited MJ but he stole charity using his name....
What do you think he's doing now??

Why do you think Mike cut ties with him??


Luda   October 1st, 2009 10:45 am ET

It seems as if he is jealous of those with fame!
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He doesn't "seem".... HE IS !!!!!! LOL


Luda   October 1st, 2009 10:51 am ET

it is alleged that on the night of 24 June,Michael was set on calling the entire show off but as we know, this never materialized.
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In fact, I'd say It did .....................


MourningMJ   October 1st, 2009 10:51 am ET

@Victoria- 12:44 a.m. comment- It's amazing how a human being can disinegrate right before one's eyes, but when all your eyes see is dollar signs then every object is in tune. I concur with your insight, Victoria. Michael's weight was completely unacceptable and it is not secret that Michael refused to eat alot of the times (as he even admitted this himself)- I think it's implied that when someone refuses to eat, there is alot more going on then "hunger issues". I also agree about your opinions in his cosmetic surgery- I was less than pleased about his 2002 surgery and was very disappointed that he continued to feel the need to change himself (however you are right, he his last surgery resulted in an angelic face) It wasn't only until later then it dawned on me that he actually needed cosmetic surgery to fuel his unceasing low self-esteem. Prime example of when another one of his "medical advisors" couldn't tell him "No Michael. No". Hindsight: 20/20

@Sandy- Houston re: 11:12 p.m. comment- I support every single word I have ever posted regarding MJ- especially the critical highlight you mentioned; MJ did not need his fans- he needed his family. Us fans need him more than he needs us. He never had expectations on his fans; we multiply by the hundreds of thousands, perhaps, millions every year. However, there is no replacement for Katherine, Joseph, Rebbie, Jackie, Tito, Jermaine, LaToya, Marlon, Randy, Janet, Prince, Paris and Blanket- THEY were the biggest fans of his life. Hindsight: 20/20

@ MaryRM- Re: 9:03 comment- Mary, I am deeply sorry to hear about your sister. I know we chat regulary at Jax, and you are just so strong- the iron post if you will. I know you must wonder often where you will pull your strength and enegy out of when you feel like an empty tank. Imagine the burden one must carry for their family when something so foolish like addiction completely takes the entire family and world around them hostage- Mary- just don't play the role of the hostage negotiator.

@LindaFromNewYork- 9:13 p.m. comment- Thank you, Linda for your support. Michael would want us to have an open mind- he approached everything he created with an open mind which allowed his creativity to graduate to a summitt beyond any of our reach. I'm quite confident that there would not be so much contraversy say, if "Janet" released the tapes.

@Janice- Hi Janice, I read your posts regarding your feelings and the release of MJ's tapes. I cannot be convinced, nor, am I attempting to convince you, that these tapes were clearly intended to be released. Michael Jackson was NO fool. He knows that everything he touches he leaves his fingerprint on- especially his voice. Michael himself repeated on the tape- "I can't believe I said that on tape". Who cares if he criticized Madonna? He sure didn't- the two have not spoken since the 90's and I'm quite sure that falls in Michael's category of "better things to worry about". I think you lost the idea of the message, Janice- it's not about the Rabbi, his tainted past, his corruption allegations, etc. Many people are focusing on the Rabbi and his "ulterior motives" when these same individuals are ignoring the elephant in the room- and you must know what I mean by that.
IHMJ xoxo


MourningMJ   October 1st, 2009 10:56 am ET

@ JUDIE-
((((((((((((((((((( IhJ's guts ))))))))))))))))))))))))))


Céline - FR   October 1st, 2009 11:02 am ET

PLEASE GUYS DON'T BUY THIS BOOK

don't feed these vultures


Luda   October 1st, 2009 11:11 am ET

Pat,

the proof he dreams of fame: on rabbi's site you can buy a T-shirt with the inscription : " I'm a rabbi Schumley groupie" lol

Groupie! lol
he would love to have groupies like Mike! LOL

A rabbi who dreams of groupies.... that's not the idea I have of a rabbi! LOL


kiki   October 1st, 2009 11:37 am ET

I don't fully understand Boteach because he once said MJ was innocent on Jun 7 2005.

Accuser Was Cheated Out Of Childhood, Jackson Says In 2000 Tape
Singer explained that helping children was something of a calling.

(mtv.com/news/articles/1503593/20050607/jackson_michael.jhtml)

As jurors prepare to enter their second full day of deliberation in the Michael Jackson child-molestation trial, a just-released audiotape from 2000 sheds more light on the singer's relationship with the teen at the center of the case.

The tape, obtained by ABC News, has Jackson explaining that he was attempting to help the then-cancer-stricken boy regain some of the childhood he felt cheated out of due to his diagnosis and chemotherapy treatment.

"I've had doctors, and [the boy's] doctors say it's a miracle how he's doing better, and that's why I know that this magic of love is so important," Jackson said in the tape, which was recorded by his former friend and spiritual adviser, "Kosher Sex" author Rabbi Shmuley Boteach.

"We — he's — he was cheated out of his childhood," Jackson said of the now 15-year-old boy. "And I think I can reflect a lot on that, because of my past."

Jackson, 46, who has been a music star for most of his life, has often spoken about his feelings that he was denied a childhood because of constant touring and recording commitments.

Jackson's spokespeople would not comment to ABC on the tape, but Boteach said he recorded 30 hours of conversations with Jackson in 2000 for a proposed parenting book. The world first got a look at Jackson's relationship with the accuser in 2003 during Martin Bashir's "Living With Michael Jackson" documentary, which helped spur the investigation that resulted in the trial (see "Michael Jackson Case Handed Over To Jury").

Jackson discussed his friendship with the accuser and other children he's befriended as something of a calling. "I feel it's something really, really in my heart that I'm supposed to do," Jackson said. "And I feel so loved by giving my love, and I know that's what they need." As he has said before, Jackson also told Boteach that he believed he could not live if he was unable to spend time with children.

"If you told me right now that 'Michael, you can never see another child,' I would kill myself, I swear to you ... I swear, because I [would] have nothing else to live for," Jackson said.

Though Boteach and Jackson had a falling out after the tapes were recorded, the Rabbi said he believed at the time that Jackson's empathy for children was sincere and that he had their best interests at heart.

"This was a man with genuine feelings about kids and how they need to be loved," Boteach told ABC News. "He made me a better parent."

I wish MJ had retrieved the tapes from Boteach when it was revealed on TV for the first time, but maybe he was too busy...


Céline - FR   October 1st, 2009 11:38 am ET

the quality of these tapes is sooo mediocre
we barely can hear Michael

don't you think he was hiding the recording material ....

also we haven't seen any signed documents of Michael approving all ....


Judie   October 1st, 2009 11:39 am ET

mmj

(((((((((((((( ihmmj guts too )))))))))))))))))) !

Your post are had to swallow for some but they are right on!
Please continue to bring insight for those who refuse to accept the bad of Michael because we all know true fans take the good and the bad no matter what.


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 11:40 am ET

Susan62509- I am fairly new here. I start with mariag then noticed it was being use so I started using maria g and noticed that one was being used too. So now I am using Maria G. But I do notice there are alot of "maria" blogger here maybe I need to come up with something more unique. If I do I will tell everyone if and when I do change it.


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 11:52 am ET

MaryRM- This is what make the timeline and the photos so confusing. There is a picture of Michael coming out of a doctors office supposedly two weeks before his death and his right ear has some damage to it but two weeks later a picture of him on the stage is taken shows that the ear is perfectly fine. I am confused as to when the photos were taken. In some pictures he look good and energetic and on the Human Nature clip he looks too thin.


Luda   October 1st, 2009 11:55 am ET

Celine,

like the rabbi said there were 2 tapes recorder, probably Mike taped his own copy to protect himself like he did with Bashir and he was right to do so because it had been useful in the 2005 trial.... there was one of the tape that was in the backgroud the rabbi seemed to say....

Personally, I don't care about what Michael was thinking 9 years ago... I would have been interested to know what he was thinking now in 2009.

What annoy me is to see another person using his death to promote is own project espacially when we know Mike cut ties with him years ago for betrayal...

I hope the lawyers will do the same as they're doing with the Heal the world charity....


Anne   October 1st, 2009 11:56 am ET

ki ki
Wow, that is quite a find! I never knew about these tapes until now. I wonder if anybody paid any attention to that revelation about Michael in 2005?


Luda   October 1st, 2009 11:58 am ET

Maria G,

I didn't see the pictures you talk about but from what you saw do you think they could have used a impersonator to confused people ?


MourningMJ   October 1st, 2009 11:58 am ET

@ Judie- thank you Judie for your support. Again, many are spending way to much time analyzing any possible "ulterior movites" from the rabbi when clearly- like I said earlier- they are ignoring the elephant in the room. ((((((((((((( guts- everyones )))))))))))))))))))

@ Maria G- Hi Maria- I never has spoken to you before this time, but welcome to the blog. It is quite refreshing to always see a new face and new opinions! I know you were contemplating changing your name- I do not use my name at all- I just use a nickname not to be confused with, like you said, multiple Marias, Loris and Pattys- because we have those here. Maybe pick something catchy- people may be more inspired to read your blogs. just sayin'. And Again, welcome!


pat davis   October 1st, 2009 12:24 pm ET

Luda,

A rabbi groupie? There is something really wrong with this guy! Thats why I was so happy to read your article from Rabbi Sternfield. You also had some readings about the rabbi and monies from charities that were used for his personal needs. This man has NO morals!


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 12:24 pm ET

Luda

Although it is known that Michael did use doubles to have the media follow the impostor making it possible for him to sneak out of hotels at times. I don't think Michael meant to confuse anyone it may have been for security reasons. But the picture does show damage to the ear and then it looks fine at the O2 rehearsal. I am questioning the timeline of the photos being used. They are just so confusing.

MourningMJ-Thank you for the welcome. I have been to other blogs concerning Michael but they just get to mean at times and spend too much time on tabloids articules instead of who Michael really was. I like it here.


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 12:26 pm ET

I have to go be back later. I am sure I will have alot of reading to catch up on.


Anne   October 1st, 2009 12:26 pm ET

I think MJ experienced incredible pain and suffering in his life at the hands of other people. So I automatically rise to defend him now especially since I did nothing to defend him when the lynch mob went after him. It has nothing to do with not wanting to see him in a negative light. I wish people would see inside him and then they would know he was never the caricature they thought he was. He was an incredibly sensitive vulnerable fragile human being who I think tried as hard as he could to do the right thing.


Blessmj   October 1st, 2009 12:44 pm ET

What I don't understand is we talk about abused children. And how it affects their whole life. But when it comes to Michael Jackson why is it different? And I guess working at such young age would also be some form of abuse. As a child you want to be free and have fun. So many hours of working even stresses adults. I couldn't imagine as a kid how much sadness and pain he must have felt. Fame, success and beautiful things could have made him happy, but still he was a kid, and a kid wants to be a kid. I would never judge or doubt him no matter what anybody says, because I couldn't imagine the sadness he must have felt. It affects your whole life, because the pain and scars cannot be healed completely. Michael always had this beautiful smile when he was singing as a kid. When I watch it now, all i can think is such a brave little boy he was. Despite everything he was feeling inside, he brought a smile and joy to others with his precious smile. And he turned out to be a very strong man IMO, despite again with all the difficulties, he never gave up. All I can show is gratitude and love for this man, he made millions smile with his smile, voice and music. He gave to millions and made their lives better. He touched the hearts of millions and healed them. He achieved many things. His success is beyond words. He could have anything he wanted. But I will always remember that he missed the most precious and beautiful memories in life. But he never complained but gave love. God bless him.


kiki   October 1st, 2009 12:48 pm ET

Anne, I was not in America then, so I did not notice anything, but maybe most people didn't pay attention?

Besides, in 2005, he said this tape is for writing a parenting book. So, I think he is a liar.


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 12:55 pm ET

Had to spot by really quick , so if the tapes were for a parenting book then the Rabbi took it to a total different level. This does not sound like it was what Michael had in mind. The book was to be on how to parent and not on Michael as a tragic icon. I will not be reading the book.


MourningMJ   October 1st, 2009 1:04 pm ET

**LINDA- I just read the AP article. I am really shocked- I cannot believe that they did not find any opiates in his system. But, this is the AP report and not the official coroner release. And 136 pounds for 5'9- I have always heard that Michael was 5'11. But either way. Good to hear that he was otherwise healthy internally. Thank you for sharing, Linda!
IHMJ xoxo


denise   October 1st, 2009 1:11 pm ET

MMJ, Judie and lindafromnewyork ihyg 😉


pat davis   October 1st, 2009 1:34 pm ET

This article bothers me, it's all so personal. It's as if they are disecting Michael right before our eyes. I've never heard this done to any other celebrity that has died!

Look at Anna Nicole, they didn't comment on her implants or the botox injections she more than likely had or any other personal things that were done to her body. Nor did they do that with Elvis.

I found that article very disturbing, and the comments after even more disturbing. Some things are better left unsaid. The media seems the need to reveal EVERY detail about Michael Jackson! They just can't leave him alone!


lola   October 1st, 2009 1:45 pm ET

I am not understanding why many celebrities, such as Whoppi Godberg, Deb.Tate (Sharon's sister), Woody Allen and many others, are supporting Roman Polanski, after he admitted he raped a 13 year old girl 30 years ago and then fled the country. None of these people showed any support for Michael, who was found innocent and denied any wrong doing. I am certain that Michael himself would never support Roman Polanski and would be horrified at his actions. He plied a 13 year old girl with alcohol and qualudes and then raped her. ....Shame on Hollywood for supporting this criminal.


MourningMJ   October 1st, 2009 1:46 pm ET

Denise ***
We H. you too!
(I guessed the code)
ihmj xoxo


Anne   October 1st, 2009 1:48 pm ET

AP is a reliable source. I think this report was leaked for a reason. Maybe charges are imminent?

I find the report to be proof of the truth – he had vitiligo, he wasn't on opiates, he wasn't emaciated, Many of the IV punctures could have resulted from the resuscitation efforts. We already knew about the plastic surgeries and balding. Interesting about the lung inflammation. I am wondering what is the cause of that.


Anne   October 1st, 2009 1:51 pm ET

lola
I am 54 and I will never understand why MJ was so mistreated in his life. Never, ever understand. His reputation and career were destroyed and he was innocent. People still refuse to believe it. Man's inhumanity to man? Or the power of the media to brainwash us into what we are supposed to believe?


Judie   October 1st, 2009 1:54 pm ET

denise
Ihut 😉


pat davis   October 1st, 2009 1:56 pm ET

Lola,

Not only that, but the rape took place in the home of Jack Nicholson, and the actress Anjelica Houston. Two of the biggest names in Hollywood, yet no one mentions their involvement. Where were they when this was taking place? I'm sure they knew. This guy admits to the rape runs free for many, many years....and poor Michael was labelled guilty even before the trial! It's sickening! You are absolutely right Shame On Hollywood!


Marmoura   October 1st, 2009 1:56 pm ET

I just read that AP article. Very disturbing that they would release such detail. Very disrespectful.

They should have just reported that Michael was clean. Eat dirt Media!!


MourningMJ   October 1st, 2009 1:57 pm ET

@Pat Davis-

Pat, may I assume you are referring to the AP article in regards to MJ's autopsy results? Your comments appear to be indicative of that; I as well, read it. Well, I think collectively as a population we can assume that an autopsy report is the most personal list of inventory of our human faults and otherwise that can be gathered once we have died. We, as MJ fans- most of us for many many years- are well aware that Michael's life was discected from the second he picked up a microphone. The release of the autopsy results do not surprise me as much as what is "reported" in them. I find it hard to believe, but of course I accept it, that Michael had no traces of additional medication in his system except the ones originally released in the original report. I do not find a benefit in speculating what should have been or thought should have been in his system because frankly, that does not change my opinion of his this pour soul's last tormented years. It is unfortunate, Pat, that the media has not only speculated on the actual findings of his autopsy, but pratically performed their very own autopsy on his very life. However, the fans fuel the media, as we are now, blogging on LKL- if it were not for media, such as this story attached to this blog, we would not be able to share and exchange our thoughts and soforth of Michael. So, are the fans part of the problem or part of the solution? Probably both.
Yes, Anna Nicole Smith's autopsy results were released as well as Elvis Presley and just as recent as DJ AM as of Tuesday. It's safe to say that we Michael fans will never get enough of him- alive or gone.
IHMJ XOXO


Judie   October 1st, 2009 2:00 pm ET

@Anne & @ lola,

I think it's safe to say we all agree to your statements!

Where were they for Michael Jackson. How sad. . 😦


Marmoura   October 1st, 2009 2:00 pm ET

All this speculation about him being a drug addict.....OH i want to SCREAM!! the press and the unbelievers can take this article and shove it!!

love you, Michael. may you be at peace.


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 2:01 pm ET

Just released autopsy report .


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 2:02 pm ET

"side from propofol and the sedatives, the only substances found in his system were the local anesthetic, Lidocaine, sometimes used to numb injection sites and ephedrine, a commonly used resuscitation stimulant.

No other drugs — legal or otherwise — were detected, nor was any alcohol."

"But aside from his lungs, the autopsy report did not identify any serious physical problems that might have limited Jackson's ability to perform. It also provided details about his physical state from head to toes."


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 2:06 pm ET

"His 136 pounds were in the acceptable range for a 5-foot-9 man. His heart was strong with no sign of plaque buildup. And his kidneys and most other major organs were normal."


pat davis   October 1st, 2009 2:09 pm ET

The media treated Michael unfairly from the beginning. The first rumors started back in the 70's....they labelled him as being gay, because of his mannerism and voice. I'm sure this made him feel that he had to do more to be accepted at an early age.

I've always defended Michael even back then. My friends growing up would say, "he's gay, Michael Jackson's gay", and I would be the one to say, "No he's not!"

The media has been after him since the start of his career. Can you imagine your every move being watched and critiqued negatively? What a cruel world we live in!


pat davis   October 1st, 2009 2:17 pm ET

I don't know what to believe, first he's underweight....now his weight is 136....I don't know what to believe! I feel like crying right now, I just don't think we will ever get the full truth on Michael's condition. And even if we do, he's gone forever. It's just so sad!


lola   October 1st, 2009 2:19 pm ET

"Most of the defense for Roman Polanski is that he is an artist and a gifted director", claims Whoppi Godlberg. "...The girl, although 13 years old, was not a virgin therefore Roman was not guilty and should be forgiven".........I can't believe what I am hearing ......it makes me sick to think of how they treated Michael (and are still) and dragged him through the mud. I really don't get it at all!


Anne   October 1st, 2009 2:22 pm ET

MJ was a victim of homophobia despite not being gay. That is how Evan Chandler extorted $15 million from MJ. I think Sneddon was definitely homophobic. I think Bashir was just an arrogant greedy dishonest man trying to make himself famous.

The 13 year old girl was not a virgin? How do they know that?


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 2:25 pm ET

lola- I don't understand this either, Polanski pleaded GUILTY and all of Hollywood is crying in his defense and yet Michael pleaded NOT GUILTY and was proven INNOCENT and his fans scream his innocence and still are not heard.


Anne   October 1st, 2009 2:40 pm ET

Many people think MJ was charged with a crime in 1993 and paid them off. But that is false. He was never arrested or charge with any crime. Jordy Chandler never accused him. It was his father Evan Chandler filed a civil suit against him for negligence. There is an article that explains why he paid it instead of going through a civil trial. "Was Michael Jackson Framed" by Mary Fischer.

Even MJs family talk about the "allegations" and act like they are ashamed.


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 2:43 pm ET

Ok I know this is off the topic at hand but I actually got some good news. THIS IS IT is going to be shown in my town !! That was a surprise since I assumed only certain theaters in big cities were allowed to screen it. I am still going to keep my original tickets and drive the hour to see it (because of the 3D effects). Our theater doesn't have the technology to show 3D. But I will get a chance see it again in my town !


lola   October 1st, 2009 3:02 pm ET

Maria G
Exactly!!!! I don't get it at all!!!!!! Mj himself would be outraged by Polanski's actions!!!! That is what is so ironic about it......Whoppi was actually defending Polanski because he is a humanitarian......what hypocrites!!!!!!


lindafromnewyork   October 1st, 2009 3:02 pm ET

Roman Polanski was married to Sharon Tate, actress who was brutally murdered with about 6 or 7 other peole by The Manson Family and I guess because of that he is getting support from the hollywood community. He did admit to having sex with the then 13 year old and then he fled thecountry. He is a coward and he should face charges. Holywood has a history of supporting the wrong causes or the wrong people. Michael Jackson was shunned by hollywood and he did nothing wrong. Roman Polanski admits his guilty and he is embraced by the hollywood community. Where was this hollywood community for Michael Jackson. Michael was simply accused and he was put on trial by the media –Where are all the Roman Polanski stories in the media–maybe it's me–I haven't seen too many– Michael Jackson fans always knew Michael was innocent-I just wish that Michael had come out and said that what he settled was the negligence suit.


lola   October 1st, 2009 3:03 pm ET

Anne
The 13 year old girl admitted in court that she had sex twice before Polanski raped her.


lindafromnewyork   October 1st, 2009 3:05 pm ET

on a positive note:
did you guys join The Michael Jackson Las Vegas Fan Tribute Group on Facebook?

We are starting to work on this event. Please join the group so you can keep on top of what is going on.


lola   October 1st, 2009 3:05 pm ET

Polanske got her drunk on champagne, mixed with qualaudes and sodomized her.


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 3:06 pm ET

lola -Michael was and will continue to was the biggest humanitarian in the world because of 20% he left to charities from his estate. And many in Hollywood are defending Polanski !!


lola   October 1st, 2009 3:10 pm ET

Linda
Why was it "negligence"? Are you sure about that? Jordie Chandler did say that Mj touched him inappropriately – (by his father's coaxing.) But, I think the charges would have been m ore serious than just negligence.


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 3:11 pm ET

lindafromnewyork- Michael couldn't come out and say that the settlement was a negligence suit. It was part of the settlement. When he did mention something about it once in an interview that he and Lisa Marie did with Diane Sawyer, Evan Chandler tried to sue him again for talking about it.


lola   October 1st, 2009 3:12 pm ET

Mary G....I know it is just outrageous.....I wish someone would speak up about this and point out the hypocricy of it all. But, of course Hollywood would never do that because they are all just a bunch of lemmings.....not one thinks for themselves, they all get on the same band wagon.


Judie   October 1st, 2009 3:13 pm ET

Polanski because he is a humanitarian

OF WHAT! This is really pathetic.

Shame on you Whoppi


lola   October 1st, 2009 3:19 pm ET

Judie
Polanski is on the board of The March of Dimes......that's it! Can you believe that...how shameful are those Hollywood morons????? I wish Mj was alive to see this....


Tess   October 1st, 2009 3:31 pm ET

Everyone: What's the latest on the quack doc? Is it DEAD????
If you are all sincere about justice for Michael, we should do something about pursuing action against the person responsible for Michale's unjust death from the hands of the pulprit doc. No one has been saying anything about this. We all say we love and miss Michael and we want justice. WHERE IS IT??? JUST BECAUSE HE IS DEAD. EVERYONE IS SHOOTING THEIR MOUTH OFF/ GIVING THEIR 2 CENTS TO THE MEDIA JUST TO BE LINKED WITH FAMOUS MICHAEL. BUT-- NO ONE HAS EVER DONE ANYTHING TO GIVE MICHAEL THE JUSTICE THAT HE DESERVES. REMEMBER THAT IF THE QUACK DID WHAT HE'S SUPPOSED TO DO, OUR MICHAEL WOULD STILL BE ALIVE. I AGREE WITH SAMANTHA OF S.A., MARIAU,GAB,SOLTY/MARIA/SMC341,NJ AND EMMYLALONDE. GOOD JOB FANS. BUT LET'S NOT FORGET TO FIND AND GIVE THE JUSTICE THAT WE KEPT SAYING FOR MICHAEL. IT HASN'T HAPPENED YET. WE ARE FOCUSING ON THIS BOTEACH, ETC., WHO JUST WANT TO BE ON CNN SHOOT SOME MAKE BELIVE GOSSIPS REGARDING A DEAD PERSON. I TOO, LOVE AND LIKE MICHAEL THAT'S WHY AM SO DISGUSTED THAT HIS JUSTICE IS BEING FORGOTTEN BY ALL. THIS CNN INTERVIEWS OF PEOPLE THAT CLAIMED TO BE MICHAEL PALS-SSSSSSS. PLEASE ENOUGH IS ENOUGH. LET' ALL GO FOR JUSTICE. WHAT HAD HAPPENED TO THE IDEA OF EVERYONE PITCHING IN ($1 or more) FOR MICHAEL'S LEGAL EXPENSES AGAINST THE PERSON THAT TERMINATED HIM???? NEED ACTION FANS. THANKS.


Tess   October 1st, 2009 3:37 pm ET

MICHAEL JACKSON DESERVES JUSTICE. REMEMBER ONE IS DEAD AND THE CAUSE IS ALIVE AND DOLLAR FEEDERS COMES OUT TO MAKE DOLLARS AND OR SHOOT GOSSIPS TO BLEMISH THE REPUTATION OF A VERY GOOD PERSON.


Maria G   October 1st, 2009 3:37 pm ET

Tess – I believe we are screaming for justice. Larry King is very well respected and I can bet that many people are reading these blogs, they may not be commenting but I am sure they are reading. They know Michael's fans are outrage.


lindafromnewyork   October 1st, 2009 3:38 pm ET

mariag–
that was the plan they wanted to ruin him -so he couldn't say anything–so sad-i can only say–poor Michael–my god-He was crucified by the media–and he did nothing wrong.


lindafromnewyork   October 1st, 2009 3:42 pm ET

Tess
we are seeking justice-but our hands are tied-I feel totally helpless just like i did when Michael was accused- you want to do something but you don't know what- There petitions all over the internet-Once you've added your name to all of them–then what? I just hope the law does right by Michael Jackson and put that quack away–he murdered Michael.


Tess   October 1st, 2009 3:50 pm ET

THANKS LINDA, GLAD THAT YOU UNDERSTAND HOW I FEEL. AM CRYING RIGHT NOW, I TOO MISS HIM AND WISH MICHAEL WAS ALIVE. PLEASE LET ME KNOW HOW I CAN HELP. I WANTED TO BUY ALL THE TICKETS AND JUST STAY IN THE MOVIE HOUSE ALL DAY JUST TO BE WITH OUR MICHAEL. PLEASE TELL ME AS TO WHAT WE CAN DO TO SPEED UP THE LEGAL PROCESS. MICHAEL'S DEATH AND CAUSE OF DEATH WILL SOON BE FORGOTTEN. WHERE DO I GO TO SIGN UP FOR THE PETITION? THANK YOU.


Ioana - Romania   October 1st, 2009 3:52 pm ET

It is very important that all over the world, fans want to do something for MJ justice. You must know all of you from far away that the blogs inside our country are full of such messages trying to defend Michael and keep a good legacy.

Bless you all!


Leigh G.   October 1st, 2009 3:57 pm ET

We miss you so much Michael. The pain of losing you is sometimes so intense that it's unbearable. If it were not for Bashir's "documentary", you would still be alive. Please go to Bashir's homepage at ABC News Nightline to leave your comments.


Victoria J   October 1st, 2009 4:11 pm ET

I just read the AP report. About the time I start feeling like I can stop the tears, something like this comes out. I am not very reasonable right now, just crying. First impresssion, through tears, is that the doctors DO seem to be saying Dr. Murray was very unprofessional in treating Michael. He did not act in the patient's best interest. I wish all of Michael's very personal body scars, etc. did not have to be revealed, but truth is it will come out in a trial. Let's hope having the info now just prepares us for the day when justice will be had by Michael Jackson. I don't think most people will be that shocked about the tatoos, etc. and his fans won't be bothered by it for sure. I think the scars could possibly be due to the Pepsi fire maybe? I mean, Michael, really was walking with pain, Dancers are notoriously known for knee problems (scar on knee) and arthritis in the lower back. I was not fortunate enough to see Michael perform live, but his tour videos sure bear out that the man hit the floor dancing. I mean that literally. He would fall on his knees hard and be shot up from the bottom of the stage and come down "BLAM !" on those knees. It hurt to read about the scars, arthritis, b/c being in my 50's I can relate to the slowing down of the body and I am in great shape health wise and with my weight. It's hard sometimes to accept the fact your body is not the same one you had just 3 years ago. Now multiply those feelings by 1000 if you are in show business and looks and performance are what make you a commodity. Michael always gave 100% – over the top. He sacrificed his body tremendously for the performance so that his fans would be able to say it was a once in a lifetime experience to see Michael Jackson!

The weight on the autopsy report is troublesome to me though. 136 lbs? Why did we hear all those other weights which do correlate to what we are seeing in the rehearsal footage? Did they give that information out with the first coroner's report right after his death? Some of you computer sluths help me out on this one.

It just hurts to know Michael – a private person – had to leave and be stripped of everything. That's why I am so angry with the Media...tnow they could refer to Michael in ways that give the man dignity and respect. Maybe once these vultures (Shmuley, etc. ) get out of the way, the media will take a change of heart.


Luda   October 1st, 2009 4:18 pm ET

Many people think MJ was charged with a crime in 1993 and paid them off. But that is false. He was never arrested or charge with any crime.
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If people would read Aphrodite Jones book they would learn a lot about the 1993 accusations... what really happened...who were those people, naturally, the media in 2005 never reported what was said in Court it would have cleared MJ's reputation!


Anne   October 1st, 2009 4:21 pm ET

It is just heartbreaking in every possible way.


Luda   October 1st, 2009 4:29 pm ET

About Polanski, I was thinking today the same think you all say : Where were those Hollywood people when MJ was falsely accused?
Polanski admit is crime, run away...
Michael has the courage to face justice, had his trial that prooved his innocence, and they continue to spit at him...
but they forgive a man who really commit a crime??
This just shows Hollywood's morality!

Woody Allen, didn't he marry his own daughter??
I know she was adopted.. but my nephew was adopted and I'm really his aunt, I would not......


Luda   October 1st, 2009 4:35 pm ET

About the autopsy, they say: "Kain was not involved in the autopsy. The full autopsy report has not been released publicly, but the AP obtained a copy."

Could it be rumours again... you know how press invent stories?

"Just because you read it in a magazine
Or see it on the TV screen
Don't make it factual, actual"

Tabloid Junkie, by Michael Jackson


sarah   October 1st, 2009 4:40 pm ET

whose KAIN.... and is this a REAL OFFICIAL autopsy report ???


Luda   October 1st, 2009 4:47 pm ET

Sarah,

About Kain they say:
"Dr. Zeev Kain, chairman of the anesthesiology department at the University of California, Irvine, who reviewed a copy of the autopsy report for the AP." (AP: Associated Press )

The associated press happen to call it "an exclusive".....


MourningMJ   October 1st, 2009 5:23 pm ET

@SARAH-
I completely concur with you- How did the AP obtain such a critical and completely confidental document instrumental in the investigation? then to release it to the public before any arrests or other legal action is taken? Additionally, if the autopsy results reflect what is currently reported, the I can conclude there is a whole big piece missing. The investigation documentation that has been released to the public in addition to family and other credible sources statements, is not indicative of the autopsy results. Should I dare say I am relieved? Yes of course- but, as I always say: 2+2 does not = 3. Clearly- something is missing. It would be heartbreaking for us dedicated Michael fans if more additional tragic details were released, which of course, would be ideal, but not necessarily realistic. If MJ fans have followed the case since the beginning, then they would be cognizant of the fact that several search warrants were issued in search of evidence supporing their suspections of multiple drug abuse (that wasn't a secret even before his death)- Typically, the LAPD would not release such warrants that would incriminate a doctor for "over prescribing or contributing to an addict" if there wasn't an addict. Just because there is a report, and not an official report I may add, that states that Michael Jackson did not have opiates in his sytem, does not minimize the fact that he ingested enough benzodiazipines to kill or seriously harm a handful of adults. His tolerance for these drugs were absolutely incredible and almost unheard of. One does not develop a tolerance for the laundry list of medications that Michael ingested in the 8-9 hours leading up to his death. It's completely heartbreaking. I guess the good news is that we can finally look forward to the day Conman Murray is forced to sit in an overcrowded court room and look the family of Michael in the eyes and explain why he refused to tell him "no"- and explain to his beautiful children why they are fatherless.
IHMJ xoxo


Victoria J   October 1st, 2009 5:37 pm ET

@ MourningMJ – "I guess the good news is that we can finally look forward to the day Conman Murray is forced to sit in an overcrowded court room and look the family of Michael in the eyes and explain why he refused to tell him “no”- and explain to his beautiful children why they are fatherless."

I am waiting for that day...


MourningMJ   October 1st, 2009 5:48 pm ET

@ VICTORIA

I'm confident we are all awaiting that day- That is, if something doesn't "compromise the case any further"- doesn't that line ring a bell? I believe OJ hummed that tune when he was walking out of the courtroom when he was found "not guilty".... just sayin'.
IHMJ xoxo


MaryRM   October 1st, 2009 5:53 pm ET

MMJ – however, since he was an addict years ago, he may still have had significant tolerance still in his system which would explain why the didn't work. I just don't know and haven't been able to find information regarding how long a tolerance remains in the system. He could have been clean for years for all anyone knows.


Victoria J   October 1st, 2009 5:59 pm ET

What is with the LAPD? I know you are just saying, but I am really praying for full vindication and justice for Michael. I am an optimist, but folks like you keep me a realist. ;o) If he could not experience it here in his lifetime, I would love for his children to not have to put up with this garbage in their lifetimes. I am so angry that this may even be of those times where I take up a cause and go to LA if this does get to trial!


Sandy-Houston   October 1st, 2009 6:23 pm ET

Victoria J-
I am sure if this all does go to trial that MANYof Michael's fans will be outside that courtroom...everyday. And lots of security to protect you know who.


Anne   October 1st, 2009 6:28 pm ET

I think the LAPD leaked it on purpose but we don't know their motivation. There are at least two investigations going on – the death and the MDs who have prescribed meds to him over the years. Maybe if he used to take other meds, he had stopped. If MJ was addicted to opiates, it would not change my opinion of him.

The AP is one of two reliable news sources (Reuters is the other one).

Now Katherine is supposedly trying to fire John Branca tomorrow.


MaryRM   October 1st, 2009 6:40 pm ET

so where is this autopsy report anyway? I have a function tonight and wont' be able to catch up until tomorrow – see you all later


Anne   October 1st, 2009 6:41 pm ET

I never believed he was addicted in 1993 but I think that is when all his troubles began. I believed he was just trying to stay out of the country because he was afraid he was going to be arrested for the Chandler thing and he was trying to make people feel sorry for him by his admission. There are plenty of rehab centers in the US. This is just my opinion. I am not saying it is true.

In later years you can see how glazed his eyes are in photographs. Something was going on.


solty   October 1st, 2009 6:50 pm ET

Something doesn't add up, Murray says MJ asked for all of these drugs because he couldn't sleep. Suppose MJ was actually drugged by Murray and he continued to force drugs in him? The timeline that these drugs were given makes no sense! Murray didn't even give the drugs time to take effect before he gave him something else. The media would like for us to believe MJ was an addict and begged for these drugs but I don't believe that.


pat davis   October 1st, 2009 7:15 pm ET

Luda,

When I heard Woody Allen was supporting Polanski I laughed. My first thought was Woody Allen, before he married his underaged adopted daughter he had an affair with her for years while married to Mia Farrow in the home where they all lived! Of course he would support this Polanski! They're both perverts!


Anne   October 1st, 2009 7:32 pm ET

They also said that giving ativan and valium together would keep you awake. Murray did not know what he was doing. I do not believe anything Murray has said. None of it. Mj may have been unconscious and he just kept giving him drugs and tried to blame it on him. It seems there has been a conspiracy for us to believe he is too frail, too sick, too addicted, too everything so that it is ok that he died. Sounds like it is all coming from Murray's camp.


MourningMJ   October 1st, 2009 7:59 pm ET

@ VICTORIA AND MARYRM:

Victoria- My view: Michael does not need vindication. He was a victim of many monsters, including, but not limited to- his greedy fake entourage, AEG, his quote on quote "medical adviser", extortionists, and countless other malicious haters. But ultimately, Michael was a victim of himself. Somewhere between left and right, he cusped the summitt of addiction and eventually refused to trust even himself. I'm also not confident in the autospy results at this time; they were just "leaked" to the AP by an unnamed source, not the coroner's office. If the autospy results that were leaked are indeed valid, then actually justice is in Michael's corner more than ever. However, that still does not explain the mutliple bottles of presription medications that were found in his home- enough to fund a small pharmacy.- Again, I reiterate- there is something missing- something doesn't make sense and until all the valid, confirmed details are reported by a reputable source, I remain skeptecal.

MaryRM- FYI- There are 2 drugs that you can actually die from during withdrawal- Benzodiazipines and alcohol. These two chemicals actually become part of your body chemistry and when severly addicted, you can literally die without them. You cannot die from opiate, cocaine, marijuana any other withdrawal- just benzos. and opiates. Again, I'm not convinced that Michael was "not" addicted to opiates just because the "leaked autopsy" report did not reflect it. Additionally, the amount of benzos in his system was significantly alarming; Michael alone should have been put to sleep after the first dose of Versed. Even with the additional Ativan and Valium- he was still NOT asleep- this is indicative for a very serious and alarming tolerance. A tolerance that experts who have weighed in on this case (after Conman Murray verified what meds he administered) and are completely baffled why Michael was not dead six hours before the fatal dose of propofol. Your tolerance for these drugs is never reduced. Your body carries something called "memory cells" and they remember your tolerance- even if was several years in between. Again, I stand by what I said earlier- Michael didn't need his fans, this propofol, "This is It", or any other irrelevant distraction in his life. He needed his family- and this family needed to carry him to rehab and let him sit there until he finally realized that he really was loved and he no longer had to remain a victim of anyone's cruel vindictive behaviors-especially his own. At least he would still be alive.
xoxo LUM xoxo


MourningMJ   October 1st, 2009 8:03 pm ET

@MARYRM-
CORRECTION: IN THIRD SENTENCE- YOU CAN DIE FROM BENZO AND ALCOHOL WITHDRAWAL- NOT OPIATES. PLEASE TAKE NOTE. I MADE AN ERRROR IN THE THIRD SENTENCE BUT STATED IT CORRECTLY IN THE FIRST STATEMENT.


Patty Anderson   October 1st, 2009 8:14 pm ET

Hi MMJ Hag.

Ok lets see if we can put some pieces together. Go back to the interviews with the nutritionist, she said many times that Michael was a stock piler. He was stock piling. he told her with the economy and all he wanted to make sure he had what he needed if he needed it. Remember? She made that statement several times. So knowing that I would not be sur

prised if alot of those prescriptions they found also had much later dates on them. They never gave the dates on those prescriptions. Some could be back from when he was having his surgeries.
I believe this leak is for a reason today and I do not doubt it. The LAPD would've spoke up by now.
His organs would've had some damage had he been taking all those drugs they tend to kill the livers after awhile.
I think after his first trip to a rehab, he had his moments of failure but
bounced back. He was too healthy for someone that addicted.
Judie was looking for ya. IHYG


Patty Anderson   October 1st, 2009 8:20 pm ET

MMJ the alcohol is DT's right?


lola   October 1st, 2009 8:45 pm ET

Mourning MJ
Over the age of 18, a person cannot be forced into treatment without wanting it themselves. If Mj did not want to be in treatment, his family could not forcibly have him committed, unless they can prove through the court system that he is mentally incapable – not an easy thing to prove. This would also entail having his children removed from his care.


lola   October 1st, 2009 8:48 pm ET

Pat Davis
You raise a good point about Woody Allen.......he still is lauded in Hollywood as royalty.......why is that??????? He married his " underage daughter"...can't get more perverted than that-


Sandy-Houston   October 1st, 2009 8:59 pm ET

Something is not adding up with this autopsy report. It got "leaked" to AP?? By an unnamed source? So this source could have altered the report. Until I hear the coroner giving a press conference and handing out the official report OR testifying at the trial I'm not believing it. It does not sound like an official report.

MMJ-
Thanks once again for the addiction info. I find the addiction/mind/body connection fascinating. And yes, sadly Michael was a victim of himself.


Alicia from Hawaii   October 1st, 2009 9:23 pm ET

UGH, Larry, this is slimy, why would highlight this? Oh yeah, sensationalism. Your show is becoming like all the rest. Too bad.


pat davis   October 1st, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Lola,

You are absolutely correct. If an adult refuses treatment you have to go through the court and prove that they (the individual with drug dependencies) are out of control or prove that they are so mentally unstable that they can't make their own decisions.

I'm sure Michael's family didn't want to put him, themselves or the children through all that. But now that he's gone, I'm sure they're guilt is overwhelming. His family is actually the only one's that could have truly saved Michael. It's just so sad!


Luda   October 1st, 2009 9:51 pm ET

But now that he’s gone, I’m sure they’re guilt is overwhelming.
---------

Pat,

it's funny you say this because last week when they interviewed Mike's brothers they asked : " Do you have regrets?"
and Marlon answered:" NO!"
lol
Just like that : "NO!"
lol


Victoria J   October 1st, 2009 10:00 pm ET

MMJ –

ok, I understand all your very reasonable deductions and facts, but I still believe that there is a point where the addict cannot help themselves. I believe there was a time in Michael's life where he could have made those very rational decisions, but based on so many people saying he was an addict (and making it sound like he was way overboard) ..they lose the ability to make any kind of decisions and I believe Michael also had some underlying mental illness not counting the mental anguish....more than just situational/event induced depression. The guy needed help and was beyond helping himself. I believe he should have sought mental therapy as a way to work through many issues (I feel there are many of which we are unaware of). Perfectionists blame themselves...outwardly he may have blamed others for his problems, but inwardly he was carrying a very heavy burden of self blame and responsiblity. How many times have we heard Michael say "I made the decision to do that so the blame lies on me"...like the songs picked for his albums, etc. That's just my take...but I always appreciate your insight,

MMJ

"Somewhere between left and right, he cusped the summitt of addiction and eventually refused to trust even himself. " Isn't this when you have to committ someone b/c they "don't trust themselves?"


Victoria J   October 1st, 2009 10:07 pm ET

MMJ – Maybe my brain is tired...

But I believe MMJ you are saying the same thing as me...the family should have taken him to get the care? Hope the above did not sound like a rant...I just cannot put my mind around people not coming to the rescue of the person.. that from what I have read was basically supporting many members of that family. Where is the LOVE?


MariaA   October 1st, 2009 10:14 pm ET

Bringing up Michael's feelings towards Madonna only demonstrates that they are jealous and that they hated the way that Madona spoke about Michael on the MTV awards.

This is just an attempt to make Madonna look bad after saying nice things about Michael. ......To make Madonna regret her words.......

Even after Michael's death, they still want to destroy him.
I have never heard such negativity thrown at any other artist.

The first show on Larry King after a period of not showing anything, was a negative one (with the rabi). Live and learn........


marguerite   October 1st, 2009 10:40 pm ET

I did some research on the internet and everywhere I looked it said MJ's height is 5'10".

-------–

I was just looking around on twitter and on Rebbie Jackson twitter site there is a poster there that goes by mjjforevermore. Anyone know who this is? I put this into the twitter search box to see who it is and it told me "could not find anyone named mjjforevermore" . the mjj part caught my eye and there was a comment by one person on Rebbie's twitter that they weren't the only Jackson's there (date of this is Sept 30th) which is also the date that mjjforevermore was on there.


Anne   October 1st, 2009 10:44 pm ET

I do not believe Michael was a victim of himself. I see whatever drugs he used as a symptom of a psychiatric disease. I think he had a very tortured life. He was treated like a slave by his father and his mother let his father do it and then manipulated him with religious guilt. His family could not help him. They were the cause. They were toxic to him except for Janet. People just saw him as a source of money. He may have been bipolar. The shrink he saw in 2005 said he was a case of arrested development at age 10. From what I understand all the children were beaten and some sexually abused. I doubt we know half the horrors he saw. Their home life was a living hell. I bet none of us on this blog could survive it without permanent scars. And then to be accused of child molestation when you are trying so hard to do good?To go from being the most loved person on the planet to the most reviled and despised for something you did not do. I do not care if he was shooting up heroin or smoking crack, I do not blame him.


Maria   October 1st, 2009 10:57 pm ET

Susan62509 2:12 am ET
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tony   October 1st, 2009 10:59 pm ET

I can come to conclusion that what's going on with celebrities and the rest of the world is mostly about experiencing. Therefore, we need to retrospect and change gears as the world stil turns. I think I had contact with swine flu / h1n1 earlier today in a public environment and as you may know it takes about 6-10 hours for it to take into effect. After realizing my day I thought about I did all day and there I thought, I caught that other individual virus that have the same side effects that swine flu has. I than went washed my face with anti batcterial soup that defined a little pimple feeling right above below my lip. It was more like I was touching a small thing that was eating my body. It finally came out after washing it about three times and finishing washing my hands. Also running the water everywhere on your sink after. I think the anti bacterial soup didn't actually kill the virus, what it did was it made it slick and moved it through other body poures and finally ended up in the bottom of the sink. Now I'm not sure this is a fact but I do indeed feel better. I am not sneezing or feeling a little cold. Sometimes you just need to go with your gut feeling and thoroughly go with your instinct because that instinct is there for a reason. So next time you sneeze please do what I stated above. Because the soup does actually tell you where it is could be a bigger idea of how easy is to get it out before it actually completely goes in your body and makes you way sicker. I think the virus has at least few parts of it when it hits your body where ever it does. That means if you get the bigger part of the virus out of your system before it even crosses into your internal part of your body. As far as celebrities and people and general, I think we definitely know that something needs to be fixed before more things need to be invented in other words. Drugs for instance are the worst things to be in our world. Although pharmaceutical drugs are needed for cures and vacinnes. The majority of the population is taking prescription drugs that are really not necessary. Yes in dire need we need to take advantage of their actual benefits. Like everything else is, nothing is perfect, well except our Lord. So as humans we need to realize that everything is got it's good and bads. Therefore we need balance them out. That's it for my comment, until than...See yah


Sandy-Houston   October 1st, 2009 11:21 pm ET

I was watching one of Michael's concerts on YouTube recently. I believe it was in Bucharest. The camera shot was behind him on stage as he was facing the audience. So the camera got a good shot of the MASSES of people at this concert. I paused the video and just had to stop...I was struck by the IMMENSE responsibility Michael must have felt to his fans, to always do better. All of the fans screaming their adoration for him. Can we even imagine the pressure he was under? Knowing what we do...that he always wanted to do better. I don't know...I just saw that mass of people and that's what came to my mind.
Do we as fans of any entertainer put them so far up on a pedastal that they can't be human? Yes, he loved us, his fans. There is no doubt. But the pressures for them to be perfect are so strong. And not just from fans. The cycle includes the record company, managers, etc, etc. Michael was a strong person, God knows he was. But everyone has their limit. And when I saw that mass of people, I just wept and thought about what he must have gone through to try to be perfect for all of us.


Alicia from Hawaii   October 1st, 2009 11:39 pm ET

Tom Joyce, you are soooo right. All of your points. Especially that everything could have been taken out of context AND qualified if MJ were still alive to do it. I won't buy it either.


Victoria J   October 1st, 2009 11:42 pm ET

Anne –

you bring me to tears again....

I just cannot get my mind around the Jackson's...and I do not care to try to as it does seem Michael had estranged himself from them and I believe over the last three months I have been able to see why from their actions. My only concern with them is Michael's children are with them. That's another thing that is conflicting...Michael thought his mother was a saint...yet, she stood by and watched the horrors. I understand the era she lived in and the conflicts of women in these abusive situations, but she has not validated Micael's claims either and at this point, I think she could have at least done that for Michael.


Alicia from Hawaii   October 1st, 2009 11:43 pm ET

MJ, please come back to us. You are gone too soon. You should still be here, I don't feel that you were finished. But, you keep giving to the world, in your legacy, your songs, your dance, the movements to continue your work, bringing people of all races together, the movement to stop damaging tabloid media, the realization that we need to appreciate those we have while they are still here and be there for them when they need us.....to L O V E.
You are amazing in life.....and even in death.
Love you MORE


marin-indonesia   October 2nd, 2009 12:04 am ET

@ Anne 10:44 pm ET : i agree with you... that's why i think it was ridiculous when rabbi boteach said in his interview that michael was wasting his life.


Amy   October 2nd, 2009 12:16 am ET

Solty
"Something doesn’t add up, Murray says MJ asked for all of these drugs because he couldn’t sleep. Suppose MJ was actually drugged by Murray and he continued to force drugs in him? The timeline that these drugs were given makes no sense! Murray didn’t even give the drugs time to take effect before he gave him something else. The media would like for us to believe MJ was an addict and begged for these drugs but I don’t believe that."

I was also thinking the same thing. The drugs were not given enough time to work.


Amy   October 2nd, 2009 12:32 am ET

Anne

"Boteach will be do a chat on The Washington Post website tomorrow. If you have any questions you can submit them"

Don't you think it'll be a waste of our time? The media isn't interested in exonerating Michael or showing positive things about him such as his humanitarian work.

By bringing that Boteach onto the media, they are helping to advertise his book.

Why do you think they don't bring on the authors of such books as the Opus one which is authorised by the estate?


Anne   October 2nd, 2009 12:38 am ET

I just hope people ask him snarky questions.
I think the autopsy report is a perfect example of how the media treats stories. We know exactly what the AP report says but if you read the way websites reported it you can see how they try to sensationalize it and find something to be critical of him like scars and tatoos and baldness and do not mention vitiligo or lack of opiates. They can still find a way to turn it against him.


MaryRM   October 2nd, 2009 12:40 am ET

MMJ – thanks for all the info.

I agree with you 100% no vindication needed. I can’t imagine facing the obstacles Michael did with the childhood he had. Without a solid foundation, it would be difficult to get yourself free of the spiral of victimization from without and within.

Thanks for your remarks of 10:51am and don't worry, regarding my strength, I get it from 2 places – my family and my faith (and maybe genetics plays a role – I am a fighter in the fight or flee scenario).

For day to day life I know the importance of de-stressing that’s for sure. I don't keep anything in – people don't have to wait 5 minutes before finding out what I think. For everyday stress I garden (its my art), I get away from people into the natural world and I listen to music – which is a great mood changer (when they hear me play Glen Gould at work they say watch out Mary is having a bad day!) I read the Bible when I cannot make sense of the world. These things are my ‘armour’. But my backbone is my family. I know I am incredibly lucky to have a very strong and supportive family.

Although I have had to be strong and sometimes tough for them, my family have also held me up when I have needed them. They have supported me in every need from help with babies to recovering from major surgery, to just being a sounding board when I have a ‘volcanic explosion’ over something.

But, as you know, strength and love are not the answer to everything – Mom and my siblings did not have the knowledge and skills to help my sister and so I took the reins for my her intervention. Brutally tough love is required (hit the addict hard with reality – with what they fear losing the most – for my sister it was possible loss of her home and her freedom. For Michael, maybe his family tried and it didn’t work but I would have hit him with the fact that he could lose his children if he didn’t take care of himself. (But then again, who could have guessed at propofol for sleep?)

I did the intervention with my brother and mother, and we all did research (I also contacted an addiction clinic and asked them what was the best approach to do an intervention). We made sure she got PROFESSIONAL COUNSELING and we developed a strategy to keep track of Marg afterward too, to ensure she stayed safe. We also still talk to compare stories to make sure she isn’t telling lies to cover a return to destructive behaviour. My sister is a good person, but addicts lie and manipulate – that is a plain fact.

For Michael, in spite of the shortcomings of some members of his family, he stated again and again that they and his faith were his strength and support and I understand that completely. I would not be able to make it in this world without the rock solid foundation that is my family and the values and faith that my parents instilled in us. One of the key components of that is – people matter; material things – that's just a bunch of stuff.

This is too serious and too long – enough lecture – I ordered the Live from Munich DVD today – I can't wait to get it ! 🙂


Anne   October 2nd, 2009 1:03 am ET

Did you get Live from Munich in HD or regular? I ordered it too from sell.com. I have not seen it yet. I wish they would sell them in stores on dvd.

Boteach's book has dropped to the bottom of the best seller list. Every single MJ fan site is complaining about it.


Amy   October 2nd, 2009 3:09 am ET

Anne
"and do not mention vitiligo or lack of opiates"

Really? How sad. No integrity; no professionalism. And they dare to be so critical of the press in developing countries.


MaryRM   October 2nd, 2009 6:05 am ET

Anne – I wish they did too, I hate internet purchases. I didn't see an HD statement on the write-up so I guess I got the regular version. Oh well.

I'm glad Boteach's book is not doing well. Although the statements I heard from his mouth on Dateline sounded judgmental and sanctimonious, I really think they were was just promotional shots for the book, meant to create interest, the same as the inflammatory title.

It is interesting that he toned it down for Larry's show, good possibility it was because of the backlash and his purpose is not to raise or lower Michael in anyone's eyes, just to sell his books. Michael is just a convenient example, a prop for his book, more dehumanization. Yeah, we used to call that kind of person a total sell-out.


MourningMJ   October 2nd, 2009 7:04 am ET

@LOLA AND PAT DAVIS-

I am sorry but you are both incorrect. When any person poses a threat to themselves or others, you absolutely can have them admitted involuntarily to treatment- weather that be substance abuse, mental health or both. When this is both this is called MISA- mentally ill substance abuse. Each state requires and enforces different policies- In California, where Michael obviously lived, it required to psychiatrist or other doctor's signatures that would have been needed to be brought before a judge- I think it's safe to say that it would not have been an issue getting Michael into treatment. In Illinois, were I live, it only requires one doctor's signature- and no judge. I'm not sure how you feel- but I'm strongly convinced that Michael was a harm to himself- he died. (Perhaps you were not aware of this information, many people are not, I just happen to work in the field).
IHMJ xoxo


Anne   October 2nd, 2009 9:24 am ET

For the HD version you have to have surround sound so I did not get that.


Daniela   October 3rd, 2009 2:48 pm ET

Larry,

how could you?

How could you let thıs 'sometıhıng' of a rabbı sıt ın your show?

I am your fan ever sınce 1988 when I spent a year ın US. Since than I tried to whatch your show whenever possible.

After this I reconsıder – how could you let thıs man talk about the most prıvate thıngs, MJ belıeved to be 'safe' wıth hım, ın your show.
It is for me already unacceptable someone ın hıs posıtıon doıng a thıng lıke thıs. And you gave hım a stage.
What an ındiscretıon!!! I am lost for words how disgusted I am.


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