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September 5, 2009

Michael Jackson's home bought by Ed Hardy designer

Posted: 01:56 PM ET

via Houston Chronicle

michael_jackson_2005_giMichael Jackson's last home has been bought by French designer Christian Audiger – who plans to open the Los Angeles mansion up to the public on every anniversary of the King of Pop's death.

The fashion guru behind the Ed Hardy and Christian Audigier clothing lines was Jackson's landlord during the final months of his life – he co-owns the Holmby Hills, Los Angeles mansion where the Thriller hitmaker died on June 25.

In an interview with Agence France-Presse, he said, "I bought the Michael Jackson house..."

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Samantha - South Africa   September 5th, 2009 1:59 pm ET

Whilst I'm glad that the fans will finally have something to remember Michael by but I thought Neverland was going to remain as part of the estate.


sarah   September 5th, 2009 2:00 pm ET

is he going to turn MJ home into a MUSEUM ....... ????

FANS OF M J FROM PAKISTAN!!PEACE!!!


Lori   September 5th, 2009 2:29 pm ET

I think it is morbid to turn the Holmby Hills Mansion into a museum. Michael only lived here briefly, for just the final 6 months of his life. To me, Michael does not seem to be very connected to this location.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Toni   September 5th, 2009 3:02 pm ET

Why would they make his murdered scene into a tourist attraction? How sick is that!!!! Oh my God, I cant believe this. It really does sound like a horrid " Thriller" movie. I dont think I could ever set foot in the place that he was murdered in, and seem thrilled to be there. Plus, it was only a temporary rented home for him. I cant believe his estate would agree to this, and let his personal belonings go in there if it is made into a museum.


patrick p.   September 5th, 2009 3:18 pm ET

Is this another person looking for 15 minutes of fame–but once a year?


MaryRM   September 5th, 2009 3:25 pm ET

this sounds very odd.... open it once a year for the media to do exposes? what are they going to photograph, the bed he died in? what kind of crazy sick thing is that? and they called Michael weird; he seems to have been the only sane one in the bunch


Lori   September 5th, 2009 3:26 pm ET

@patrick p
Christian Audiger has had more than is fair share of 15-minutes-of-fame at Michael's expense. He really, really needs to be doing something else.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Maria   September 5th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

Seems he changed his mind, according to AP.

LOS ANGELES — Christian Audigier will not transform Michael Jackson's former home into a public space.

Michele Elyzabeth, a spokeswoman for the Ed Hardy clothing founder, said Audigier would move into the sprawling Holmby Hills mansion at the end of Jackson's lease on Dec. 15.

She also said that Audigier had no plans to turn the rental property where the King of Pop collapsed and later died into a public space.

The estate is owned by Ed Hardy CEO Hubert Guez.


mariau   September 5th, 2009 3:31 pm ET

Toni – i agree with you


Jacquelyn   September 5th, 2009 3:34 pm ET

All everyone seem to care about is money. It's a darn shame.


denise   September 5th, 2009 3:39 pm ET

Jacquelyn
knowing the global fan base that MJ has....everyone is going to make the most to profit from his name, such a shame and disgusting.


chris   September 5th, 2009 3:41 pm ET

Yup, so many people think that if money is to be made then go ahead! A true MJ fan would never be interested in visiting the place where Michael died. I hope it's true that Audigier changed his mind because he has / had one sick idea!


Lori   September 5th, 2009 3:42 pm ET

Like Whoopi Goldberg said on The View shortly after Michael's passing...."Michael is the gift that keeps on giving"

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Lisa S   September 5th, 2009 3:48 pm ET

I seriously dont get this. That house had very little to do with Michael. He hadnt even lived there for a whole year. Why would people want to go there?

If I am going anywhere it would be to Neverland or to Jackson Street in Gary. Those would be the only places that would teach me anything new about the person Michael jackson.

A house he lived in for 6 months is of no interest for me at least, might be for others.

I dont really need a place or a grave to remember Michael. He is in my heart and I have decided to focus on alla the years we had. After all, we got many many years with him and if we focus too much on the way his life ended there is a risk that we loose focus on the important things.


lindafromnewyork   September 5th, 2009 3:49 pm ET

@Chris
I wouldn't want to visit that house–too sad–


Lisa S   September 5th, 2009 3:50 pm ET

Hi Samantha! Howz southafrica? Spring arrived yet?


patrick p.   September 5th, 2009 3:59 pm ET

To Lori.....Thanks for your agreememt.....


Luda   September 5th, 2009 4:27 pm ET

I seriously dont get this. That house had very little to do with Michael. He hadnt even lived there for a whole year. Why would people want to go there?
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LisaS

I totally agree with you!
the only thing I see is the fact he died there....


Luda   September 5th, 2009 4:37 pm ET

Hanim,

I read a book about that conspiracy that seems to go on in the History of humanity... Gandhi, Jesus .... they all had the same message... like Mike... they all have been killed...

Made me think of Lisa Marie who is a scientologist....wanted Mike to get in it, he didn't want... it seems there's a link between mossad & scientologist.... Michael .... islam....
there could be speculations made easily...


Lori   September 5th, 2009 4:38 pm ET

@Patrick you were speaking nothing but the truth

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Hanim   September 5th, 2009 4:57 pm ET

Luda..

after watching that video, i was partly surprised that this has been going on for literally AGES. i had no idea that MANY MANY celebrities knew about this thing, n they only had the voice to say it thru the lyrics of their songs.. cuz, if they did it any other way, i think we knoe what wudve happend to them, rite..

i dunno. am i the only one who is surprised by the illuminati conspiracy theory? i mean, in some religions, they even mentioned that a "one-eyed being" will emerge and try to destroy humankind. the illuminati logo – a one eye on the top of a pyramid.

im just saying, tht these 'peopl' cud very well be the ones controlling the murder conspirators.
i thot that murray was just the scapegoat, n that there was a bigger force behind him that wanted to destroy MJ. but now, i believe, there was an even BIGGER force behind the conspirators to make them do what they have done.. this cud be bigger than anyone of us fathomed it cud be..

or cud it just be me?...


Maria   September 5th, 2009 5:29 pm ET

Yeah... I'm not surprised at all by the Illuminati theory. Some of the singers quoted in the video really believe in it, for others it's only a fashionable motif for their lyrics, like anything having to do with mysterious and occult things (I mean if Ozzy sang about Mr.Crowley, this doesn't mean that Ozzy was satanist or something like that).

Now whenever there's an event that involves a global celebrity or has a global impact, you will see people blaming the following: the francmasons, the Jews, the Illuminati, the Rosicrucians or any other secret society or secret gang of people who are very potent financially and may have a common ideology. It's an easier way to explain complicated or enigmatic things like financial crises, global warming, wars, famines, epidemics or the death of celebrities.
A disturbing (for me) example of such theories was brought here last night by an user who pretended MJ was killed by a secret organization called Skull and Bones. She even added that she has some supernatural powers that allow her to see this.

About MJ, I'd remind the author of the video that They Don't Really Care About Us is a song from 1996. It's not like someone wanted to kill MJ now for premiering the songs at O2. This reminds me of other people who claim that MJ wanted in fact to tell the whole world at O2 that he is now a Muslim and the Muslims are right and the Jews are wrong etc. etc. Not to mention the big irony that there are more theories that associate MJ with the Illuminati. One says that in fact he had discovered or has been taught the secret of living until 150 years of age, a secret allegedly possessed by the Iluminati.

So indeed, we have to live with these theories. But if we are circumspect about what the tabloids say, we should be equally circumspect when we hear about Illuminati and secret societies.


Maureen (UK)   September 5th, 2009 5:38 pm ET

Does anyone know who made the "Illuminati" clip ?


Luda   September 5th, 2009 5:42 pm ET

Maria,

I personally believe the Secret society is probably named:

Music Industry!


Hanim   September 5th, 2009 5:46 pm ET

Maria,

thanx for the well-informed and balanced insight on this.. i havent heard of all those other secret societies uve mentioned.

anyhoo, u noe what this "illuminati" thing rei=minds me of? Watchmen. have any of u watched that? makes me wonder if there really are people who control n 'plan' everything, like they did in watchmen. n how all the world's their sacrifice, in order to achieve what they want.


Hanim   September 5th, 2009 5:57 pm ET

*reminds..

i type so fast, its like a train wreck. sorry, yet again.


Maria   September 5th, 2009 6:10 pm ET

Luda: the music industry doesn't want to kill her golden gooses. BUT the rules of music industry were and are cruel and unfair. Promoters and record labels exploit the artists and push them to perform even if this leads them to drug abuse and illnesses.

I'm glad the internet allows now the artists to promote and sell their own music and avoid all kind of onerous contracts. There won't be superstars like MJ anymore, but the giant record labels and the crooks-promoters will lose their power too. The culture is changing. You want to sell me music with DRM? You forbid me to see a certain clip because I have a Zimbabwean or a Estonian IP? Such kind of things will disappear too.


Mara   September 5th, 2009 6:15 pm ET

I don't understand the logic behind him purchasing the home but okay.

I do love and have a closet full of his clothing though. =)


Maria   September 5th, 2009 6:20 pm ET

Hanim: you can have groups of powerful people who may try to control some secret services, or what food is served to the masses, or what medication they receive, or what kind of passports and credit cards they must use. But there's no government, corporation, secret society or transnational group of billionaires who can control EVERYTHING. It's too much. It's human nature to be competitive and rebel: whenever there is a group, a society, a certain kind of organization, you will have inevitably conflicts, fights for power inside the group, dissenters, different interests – and this will ruin any plan to "rule the world". No matter how rich or how powerful are those people.


MaryRM   September 5th, 2009 6:24 pm ET

This is probably just more tabloid garbage.

Just ridiculous rumours that feed the appetite that many people have for gossip. Just remember please people – this gossip hurt Michael and if you bought it or believed it, you were the one hurting him.
Remember the words of Tabloid Junkie: “To buy it is to feed it.” Here are more:

It’s slander
With the words you use
You’re a parasite in black and white
Do anything for news
And you don’t go and buy it, buy it
And they won’t glorify it, ‘fy it
To read it sanctifies it


Dominique   September 5th, 2009 6:56 pm ET

Hardy never said anything about a museum. These tabloidy reporters are at it again. One article said he was buying Neverland while another claimed that he was part owner which was not true.


Raychil   September 5th, 2009 7:44 pm ET

This sounds like tabloid stuff to me. Until a legitimate news source comes out with it, I am not going to buy into it. As a matter of fact I have not opened the link because it would help boost the tabloid's readership.


Maureen (UK)   September 5th, 2009 7:52 pm ET

The Telegraph isn't a tabloid actually.


Luda   September 5th, 2009 7:53 pm ET

Maria,

I agree with you.... but it's a way of killing, that's what I meant.... slowly maybe but it's to kill them... to destroy slowly someone it's a way to murder...


Susan62509   September 5th, 2009 8:10 pm ET

Maria:

Do you belong to mensa?


MaryRM   September 5th, 2009 9:08 pm ET

The Telegraph may not be officially a tabloid, but that doesn't mean they are not behaving like one. The commemorative issue of Rolling Stone even had some uncorroborated nonsense by people supposedly in the know, like MJ's nose falling off. The reprinted 1982 article in the same issue clearly showed how inferior writing quality and content has become over the last 30 years.


Lori   September 5th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

@MaryRM I think that in general that reporters and the public have lost the ability to write well. Our vocabularies are shrinking. It is sad.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


NINA YIRDAW   September 5th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

People can sell and buy whatever they want except NEVERLAND!! NEVERLAND belongs to Michael once he felt secured and happy in that place. Neverland is a symbol of Michael creativity. So pls Jermain and the rest of Michael's family save this valuable artistic place in Michael's possession. I Miss You Michael.


Angie   September 5th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

From Ireland...

Missing you...still feels like twilight zone...still hard to grasp...tears still fall...in our thoughts *every, *single *day...

Singing to the other angels and dancing along the clouds, wouldn't surprise us...

...Many Irish hearts are broken!!


Marmoura   September 5th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

MaryRM and Lori – you are so right. I read that Rolling Stone article and i threw it across the room after reading the section discussing the nose. It's preposterous! I also watched the article's author speak about the upcoming article on one of the news channels. She was completely unimpressive. That article was trash. I subscribe to Rolling Stone and I haven't even read the latest issue because that article made me question the legitimacy of the publication in general.


Marmoura   September 5th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Even though we don't agree with everything, I am thankful to have an open forum to remember Michael.

Thanks Larry for keeping this upfront. We will keep coming back to you.


Lori   September 5th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

All Print Media is in trouble. The internet is taking or has taken over as the primary information source. One flaw is how to weed out the trash from the legitimate. Responsible journalism has gone the way of the dinosaur.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Lois   September 5th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Good evening all ;)

After reading that article, it is interesting that Michael's lease was ending December 15th. Why would he lease a house that long if he was supposed to be going to London in July?


Mara   September 5th, 2009 10:40 pm ET

Hi Lois

Not sure but I'm thinking that maybe he signed a one year lease last December so it expires this December. Year to year. Maybe?


Lois   September 5th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

Hi Mara – well that date just caught my eye....it could be it was signed for a year....maybe it is rented out on a yearly basis and if you decide to move, I guess that is the landlord's so called deposit.


Lois   September 5th, 2009 10:58 pm ET

Sandy-Houston – thank you for your kinds words to our fellow bloggers, yes we must smile even though our hearts are breaking, we must soldier on and get to the bottom of this and make sure that MJ's legacy lives on.


Mara   September 5th, 2009 11:06 pm ET

Lois

Oh I see, December. Okay I gotcha! I went to my ticketmaster today again and AGAIN they don't have any info on the movie tickets that they're suppose to sell. Isn't that weird? I thought by now they would know that they'll be selling tickets come Sept 27.


Heidi   September 5th, 2009 11:12 pm ET

Hey you guys everyone is over Michael brother said....come join

Hi Lois & Mara


Mara   September 5th, 2009 11:31 pm ET

Hi Heidi

********************************

Lois – here is what Niura wrote to me a few minutes ago:

Mara, I was in the Grand Mausoleum today! We are allowed to see the presentation of The Last Super Window it was vey beautiful there were only 5 people there I cry at the end is very magical and to know that Michael is there it was very emotional for me. I brought flowers and the lady who works there for 31 years ask me where are you taking the ... Read Moreflowers? I replay You know where I would like to take to and she said I can place the flowers for you do you want to right a note with your name , so when the family comes they can read? I said yes!!! and when I was living I look behind and I saw a man walking towards the back of the Grand Mausoleum with my flowers for Michael and then I felt relieved there were also two young man from Indonesia there, they came all the way from Jakarta. But at Forest Lawn they are very gentle and I think if the fans are going to come to visit and be a peaceful tour there were be no problems. Michael is in a peaceful and beautiful place he is surounded by art.
20 minutes ago


Maria   September 5th, 2009 11:46 pm ET

Susan62509 – LOOOL no! and I find odd and narrow-minded to select friends based on their scores at IQ tests.


Cali MJ Fan   September 5th, 2009 11:56 pm ET

If this post about Christian Audiger is true and does now own the home Michael was renting, how could he keep it up year after year as some sort of tribute to Michael for only one day of use? Will he keep the room Michael passed away in exactly as it was when he died? What about the other 364 days? Sounds very bizzarre-o to me.

I would rather see Neverland! Guess I will rethink making any purchases if the line of clothing Audiger worked on with Michael is ever approved. Yet another way to capitalize on a friend's tragic death? Time will tell.

Finally enjoying my huge July order from Bravado that arrived yesterday– thank you Judge Beckloff for approving that deal. YAY!

Now to decide, which shirt to wear tonight.. lol


carol kesling   September 6th, 2009 12:09 am ET

another ass trying to make money off michael !!!! dont they have any SHAME ??????????


Maria   September 6th, 2009 12:36 am ET

He told AFP that he initially wanted to transform the house into a museum, but the municipality didn't approve. So he decided to organize exhibitions there, on June 25 of every year.
Then he said he has no plans to turn the house into a public space, according to his spokeswoman quoted by AP (see above).


Marmoura   September 6th, 2009 12:46 am ET

Mara – thank you so much for the information. i have to make a trip out there – what a relief, that Michael is safe. and wow– we can bring flowers!!


Oluwayimika   September 6th, 2009 12:49 am ET

I think this young man has realize he is wrong, i hope he will be a better adult. Love u Chris and may God bless u more.


Patty Anderson   September 6th, 2009 12:57 am ET

Why on earth would he want to do something like this on the anniversary of his death. That was a horrible horrible tragic day!!!
What is the matter with these people? And then open it up to the media.

All you people that were in Michaels face and now turn your back on him, you make me sick


Mara   September 6th, 2009 1:19 am ET

Lois – another message from Niura/ I posted 4 photos from her on FB. It is just pictures from the outside of Forest Lawn – not allowed to take pictures inside. =(
Note: she says we should let him go. =(

Niura SchwartzMara, We are not allowed to take pictures , but I manage to take one of the entrance of the Grand Mausoleum and the another from a statue across from the main door. The Security is very intense also because of the value of the art inside and is very private is a mausoleum. In front of the Grand Mausoleum there is The Shrine of Love and behind tHE ... Read MoreTemple of Santa Sabina is huge you have to drive is a city over ther. I am going to post the few photos I could take. I don't mind that you share with the girls as a matter of fact I wrote the note in a third person We for all of us and I am sure is as close as possible with Michael and I also think we should let him go now! He deserves peace, eternal peace!
Great souls have wills;feeble ones only wishes.
about an hour ago


Mara   September 6th, 2009 1:21 am ET

Marmoura

No problem, I wish I would have drived down there with her but I'm sure sooner or later I will since I am only in Vegas. Take a look at the pictures – just from the outside but at least it's something.


claire   September 6th, 2009 1:28 am ET

We are all so sad we lost Michael I wish he knew that we love and belived in him..
No one could be better than MJ. Greedy Jealous people leave him alone may RIP stop calling him Jacko you jealous fools you couldn't even begin to tap your feet like him. Look at youself befor you critisize mj


my love for u   September 6th, 2009 1:32 am ET

ppl think they r kool for what they r doing on this earth ,,but they r not


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 1:44 am ET

Mara and evyone we are on the Brother blog–come on over


Mara   September 6th, 2009 2:00 am ET

LindaNY

I can't come right now I have Facebook, Myspace and Twitter open and catching up with my family and that blog slows and sometimes cuts my computer off.

This one is under 90 comments so I'm good. I'll come later when I'm done with the fam. Did you see the pictures I posted on FB? They are from Niura.


Cali MJ Fan   September 6th, 2009 2:01 am ET

Sunset in the Pacific September 4th, 2009 3:53 pm ET

I wish I had to time cross post this on every Michael Jackson Blog on LKL.

September 3rd was a fitting tribute and dignified ceremony honoring one of the most beloved entertainers of all time. The guest list and the attendance spoke of well deserved respect and affection bestowed both on the deceased and for the family. And once again the children made a poignent statement through their love and final gestures.

Not one circumstance, lie, truth or rumor will ever change the finality of last evening. Many virtual friendships and connections seemed to have been made by all the cross-posters who attended these Blogs, as well as creating other opportunities to visit off-line websites.

As a mark of honor and in good taste, Larry King Live & CNN Webmasters, why not close down the Blogs that continue to enflame speculation for no good reason any longer.

To ttruly allow the family, friends and fans some lasting peace and consideration.


Emmy Lalonde. BELGIUM.   September 6th, 2009 2:39 am ET

THey wanted to buy this mansion and will do it be a museum on the memory of Michael's is just willing to get much more money for their own by using MICHAEL's name. NEVERLAND is the best memorable place of Michael's remembrance to be OPEN, for Michael's fans and people arround the world to come and VISITING MICHAEL's last place where Michael was long years very happy in his life, as well as with his children. Please do open NEVERLAND and not that mansion for FANS and protect Michael's name, not be profit by anyone after dead.


Lisa S   September 6th, 2009 3:00 am ET

Hanim September 5th, 2009 4:57 pm ET

Who do you mean "they" are and what would they get out from doing all this?


Bella   September 6th, 2009 3:11 am ET

I will never want to visit a place where Michael was murdered, never ever.

Any of you have any idea how much more time the investigation will take? I am longing for the day for those who killed Michael to be jailed forever. Though even killing them a thousand times won't help bring Michael back.


Lori   September 6th, 2009 3:23 am ET

@Bella - maybe something will happen next week since the burial is over.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


BERTHA CECILIA URDINOLA ALJURE - Wageningen - Holland   September 6th, 2009 3:41 am ET

Oh my god: This guy was a Michael's friend.....!!!??? Jaws!!!!


Lisa S   September 6th, 2009 3:53 am ET

BERTHA CECILIA URDINOLA ALJURE – Wageningen – Holland

Exactly!! His only true friends through the whole life was Liz Taylor and Diana Ross. That is for sure and I am sure that more is to come in the commingyears that will show how strong and supportive their relationships were, in both directions.


Amy   September 6th, 2009 3:54 am ET

Hi

The kid really has great taste in music. Please watch till the end. Watch what he did when his family teased him with other songs.


Amy   September 6th, 2009 4:00 am ET

If the link doesn't work, search in youtube.

The title is 2 Year old kid takes Michael Jackson music SERIOUSLY in youtube.


spirit   September 6th, 2009 7:50 am ET

Michael is all about love & the spirit of giving... In that sense he is everywhere... So don't know what to comment on this house being bought by whoever...


Samantha - South Africa   September 6th, 2009 8:05 am ET

I feel like an idiot coz I never care to read the rest of the above article and made a comment saying that it was a good idea to have something to remember Michael by only to find out that Audigier wants to turn the home in N. Carolwood Ave into a museum and not Neverland!This is bad idea coz I for one would not want to visit that place and besides the fact that Michael passed away there,he didn't even live there that long to even call it his 'real' home!


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 6th, 2009 8:47 am ET

Mara

Thanks for sharing the news about your friends visit to the Mausoleum. When I visit California it is a must on my list as well as Neverland!


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 6th, 2009 8:48 am ET

Samantha

Read further above....it is not true....tabloid assumption again!


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 9:12 am ET

Mika posted a really nice article on the Jackson's brother blog.

the only issue I have with it is the quote "his sudden death has left his audience with one cold realisation. We never really knew him at all."

The article contents describe Michael as his fans all knew him to be – a caring father, lover of nature and of boisterous fun, etc. Are any of us surprised that he loved ice cream and apple pie?

It is only the media who didn't know him at all.


Lisa S   September 6th, 2009 9:43 am ET

MaryRM September 6th, 2009 9:12 am ET

Well, there are manythings we didnt know or yet have to learn about Michael. The fact that he was addicted to different kind of medication seems to have come as a big suprice to many fans. Some fans even refuse to accept it.

Personally, not knowing that MJ liked apple pie is not a big issue to me. I liked his music and personality, his food habits was never really any of my interest. That is for me only important for those cooking for him or inviting him to their house, unfortunately I was never one of them.


Cocovelvet   September 6th, 2009 10:02 am ET

What a sickening thing to read....... it was a good thing that this Audigier changed his mind about turning that house into an MJ museum. Probably he got a very good advice from somewhere not to dare waste his time, energy and money in doing that coz I think a lot of people were not going to be interested in going there for the fact that it would only bring very sad memories to them .... THE LOSS OF MJ......


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 10:44 am ET

Lisa S
sorry, I guess I am still angry with the media because they had many opportunities to show Michael the man and instead ridiculed and dehumanized him. knowing little things about a person makes them much more 'human', at least to me. And as an older fan, I guess I take for granted much of what I have seen/heard over the years too.

I hope fans understand the issue of Michael's addiction, it doesn't come from weakness. he was a very strong individual and has a lifetime of proof for that. And any addiction he had in no way reduces his goodness or greatness, rather it should inspire compassion and a desire for understanding. My sister has epilepsy and she has to change medications every 5 years because a tolerance is built up and they become ineffective.

Michael had health issues that mandated a lifetime of pain medication, most are addictive. In order to pull off a grueling tour in the 90's things got out of control and he was able to get the help he needed. We don't know if he had reverted back to full dependency, or if so, when, (just very recently, because of the tour?) we only know that he had a tolerance and that the medications he was given cause even more insomnia rather than help it. His achilles heel appears to have been his attempt to have personalized care and got substandard instead.


Lori Quebec Canada   September 6th, 2009 10:52 am ET

The house that Christian Audiger bought is it Neverland he is talking about? and not Holmby Hills?........because it says (The fashion guru behind the Ed Hardy and Christian Audigier clothing lines was Jackson's landlord during the final months of his life – he co-owns the Holmby Hills, Los Angeles mansion where the Thriller hitmaker died on June 25.) he said he bought Michael's house but Michael didn't own Holmby Hills........Michael owned Neverland........


Lori Quebec Canada   September 6th, 2009 10:59 am ET

In an interview with Agence France-Presse, he said, "I bought the Michael Jackson house.


Tina (Germany)   September 6th, 2009 11:22 am ET

Was the adiction really such a surprise for so many people? For me it was not at all, the only surprise was how far it went, that doctors contributed into this and obvisous no one did something.
First thing I thought when he died was: Oh what many expected already in 93 and then again feared in 05 happened in the end. Maybe the younger fans were surprised? I wam sure he was clean for many, many years, but there is no cure for addiction really, you are addicted for the rest of your life and always have to be careful with everything, you can be clean maybe, but never ever totaly healed.
And since many were aware about Lupus and other things and knew he had to take many pills and the Insomnia was also nothing new, he had it on other tours before, I am surprised that people are surprised.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 11:25 am ET

Something just occurred to me and this is just me being an armchair detective. As I said before, any addiction Michael may have had in no way reduces his goodness or greatness.

If what Dr. Murray is saying is true, that he was concerned Michael was becoming addicted to diprivan, that indicates an attempt on his part to ensure Michael did not get addicted to anything. This would indicate that at least as far as Murray knew, Michael was not currently addicted to any of the other drugs he gave him, but rather that he was simply tolerant of them. (too bad he was not as concerned about knowing the toxicity of mixing drugs).

Anyway, that is just a thought as some people are having difficulty with the addiction issue.


Tina (Germany)   September 6th, 2009 11:31 am ET

MaryRM an addiction for sure does NOT mean someone is a bad person. Who says so has no clue at all !!!! Addiction is an illness and has nothing to do with being a bad person.


Anne   September 6th, 2009 11:41 am ET

Nothing Dr. Murray said makes sense. You cannot get physically addicted to propofol. Why would he try to wean him off propofol when that is the only reason MJ hired him at $150,000 per month? He could take the other medicine in a pill. No propofol No Dr. Murray No $150,000.

It is all a big lie to cover up the fact that MJ was killed by blaming it on MJ. MJ may have even been unconscious when those meds were given to him and his alleged unproven "addiction" used as a cover story. I do not believe that MJ begged for diprovan because I think he was already dead. MJ isn't here to tell us what really happened.

I am suspicious of the fact that Murray originally wanted one million a month and had not been paid at all yet. MJ always kept one or two million in cash in his home.

Christian Audiger was a very good friend of MJ. He invited him to his 50th birthday party and you can see by the photos that MJ had a lot of fun.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 11:44 am ET

actually doctors are learning that propofol IS addictive. Since the media are now incompetent and no longer in the business of enlightening the public, when I read something, I do my own research to get to the truth.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 11:46 am ET

it is unlikely Michael knew that it was addictive either


Anne   September 6th, 2009 12:00 pm ET

I read also that propofol abusers frequently had abusive childhoods and suffered PTSD. I think terrible things happened to MJ during his childhood that we do not know about.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 12:19 pm ET

Anne

Are you serious? Where did you read that? Would you mind sharing the article please? Thank you.

I don't think Michael would know about propofol unless someone told him about it and gave him a sample. We don't know about any prescription drugs until we are introduced to them by our physicians.

Hi Lora Ottawa

You're welcome. Sharing is Caring! =)
You should know Niura she has blogged a few times, really nice person.


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 12:34 pm ET

Good morning! LOL It might be a good idea for some of you that believe Propofol is addictive to call your doctor and have your wisdom teeth out or have a colonoscopy so you can feel what it is like to have general anesthesia.


Tina (Germany)   September 6th, 2009 12:35 pm ET

I think no matter why and if and how long he was addicted and to what and if he asked, pleaded, begged or whatever. A doctor is not a dealer and this doctor did wrong and has to pay for it.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 12:41 pm ET

Tina – I agree 100%.
TL/Huntington Beach – no idea what you mean. I don't 'believe' anything, I let scientific methodology prove things.

I have had anesthetic for major surgery and have been on very addictive morphine afterward. not sure what your point is.


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 12:44 pm ET

MaryRM- Did you get addicted to the anesthesia? Morphine is different. My point is Propofol is not addictive!! It is an anesthesia.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 12:49 pm ET

TL/Huntington – having anesthesia twice in my life does not mean I got addicted. It is people who have used it multiple times as discussed in the article, written by doctors. The article in fact is showing that doctors themselves are often the ones who become addicted. Addiction is no laughing matter.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 12:50 pm ET

Good Morning TL

Tina

In Michael's case his so called Dr.'s were more like dealers – drug dealers in white coats. I agree with you they have to pay for it but when and why haven't we heard anything about it lately?

Michael's funeral is over and now it's time to get down.


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 12:54 pm ET

MaryRM- Was this article published by the journal of the american medical assoication?


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 12:56 pm ET

Mara- I heard all the MD drug dealers fled town.


Tina (Germany)   September 6th, 2009 1:00 pm ET

Mara, hopefully we hear something when weekend is over.


All Mike music all the time   September 6th, 2009 1:00 pm ET

In the animal world, animals and vultures at least leave the bones after they finish devouring the flesh. Human vultures keep chomping the bones. Shows the kind of sicko parasites and leeches the poor guy had to deal with.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 1:03 pm ET

TL

Well they did give them enough time (2 plus months) to pack their bags, put their custom home up for sale, sell the bentley, tie up loose ends and bolt didn't they...good lord!


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 6th, 2009 1:04 pm ET

This is a place I would never go to, knowing it was Michael's second or even third best place and considering he was overdosed by this doc in one of the rooms.


Lisa S   September 6th, 2009 1:05 pm ET

MaryRM September 6th, 2009 10:44 am ET

The addiction wasnt a suprice to me. I ve known it for years.

You say Michael was a strong person. What characterize a strong person? I am not convinced he was. I see him as a very sensitive person and a very soft person. Stubborn sometimes and persuasive, yes. But not strong or tough. I believe that the fact that he took things to his heart and carried them there as a thorn shows that he wasnt very strong. I guess it also depend on how you define the word "strong". I am not native in English so I might have a different perception of the word.

Some people say he was controlled by other powers, some people even say by satan, that I think is unrational, others say by Dileo or Sony. I dont think he was that easy to control but I dont think he was a person with very hard skin.

However, all these things are things we do not know but that is not so strange. These are things you get to know when you know somebody in person. It is not possible to know those things about a person you dont know personally and that gives about 7 real interviews in 35 years.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 1:08 pm ET

Mara – good thing the DEA is involved, LAPD may not have jurisdiction in other states to chase these people. Just hope none of them have fled the country.


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

The article is not legitimate. Yes doctors due get addicted to pain meds.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 1:19 pm ET

MaryRM

Yes good thing DEA is involved. No matter where they flee to they will not escape Michael's fans – Michael is loved worldwide not only in the states.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 1:25 pm ET

Eli

Me too. I would never pay a penny to see where Michael was murdered. I'd rather pay to take flowers to his resting place.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 1:27 pm ET

Lisa S – you are right, we don't know him in person, we can only deduce from what has been documented.

By strong I mean he kept coming back after every battle. He said that was one trait he got from his father, he is a warrior. His mother taught him that no matter what, you never give up. He described himself as having rhinoceros skin a few times, although being human, things still did hurt. By all accounts the 2005 trial was devastating emotionally to him and yet he looked very happy and healthy at the World Music Awards in 2006.

Although he was a gentle person, by everyone's account he was very disciplined, hardworking, stubborn, and a perfectionist who worked to be the best at whatever he did (another thing he said his parents taught him – that even if you are a street cleaner, you should be the best street cleaner you can possibly be)

This is what I mean by strong.

Donald Trump said he was a very astute business man and that they would have long talks about the business world. Liz Taylor said he was very intelligent, shrewd but was a very good person. I have heard that he could read a contract as well as any lawyer.

His gentle trusting nature is also well-documented and I think is what often landed him in trouble. How much or little he was controlled by others is something I cannot decipher from what I have seen/read.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 1:41 pm ET

Hi Anne

I'm going out for coffee but if you happen to read this will you please post the article from my comment above and I'll read it when I get back? Thank you!


Lisa S   September 6th, 2009 1:46 pm ET

MaryRM :

I see what you mean.
I think he was very intelligent and very good at understanding other people. And I think he was hard to convince into another opinion once he had set his mind on something.

But I still think things that people said, things he saw being done to others affected him a lot. I think he was a thinker and that he thought things over and over again in his head.

You are right in that he bounced back when life hit him in the face and he always tried to come back. But on the other hand, did he have any other options?

I know a lot of people in here will attack me now but I am convinced that there was someting unhealthy going on in the family. Wether it was Joes infidelity, assaults or something else, we might never know. But I think it ihas affected, consiously or not, Michael and his sibling a lot.


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 1:49 pm ET

Mary RM- It is difficult to for someone on the outside to know what MJ was really like. The Biography states that he did get exactly what he wants. However, he seemed to attract people in his life that were leaches. If he read the contracts himself, he probably wouldn't have so many law suits.


Tina (Germany)   September 6th, 2009 1:59 pm ET

Lisa S. for sure something went very wrong there. Alone the fact that a small child has to jump from stage to stage, sleep in night bars and work 24/7 is enough to leave scars for the rest of your life.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 2:05 pm ET

I am trying to post some links to written interviews, but they keep not showing up. not sure what the problem is, copyright?


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 2:10 pm ET

Lisa, I agree with you. I believe Michael was a very complex person with a mixture of deep feeling and sensitivity yet the strength to endure. He bore attacks like few people could yet I agree – think that he had many scars from many battles.

As far as options, he could have retreated many times over the years. There are many 'where are they now' stories of other people but he just kept coming back.

As far as the family goes, they have usually presented a united front and we just don't know what goes on in someone's home. What we may perceive as inaction may be an attempt to keep away gossip. In the end, we really cannot know. I have no doubt that they loved him but that does not guarantee that they made the best choices, just that they tried.

I will keep trying to post the written interviews.


Anne   September 6th, 2009 2:10 pm ET

This is an exerpt from an article by Gerald Posner on the Daily Beast.

Dr. Earley has seen firsthand evidence of the power of Propofol’s addictive ability. And among those who have sought help at the Talbott Recovery Campus, Earley has found two common threads: almost every Propofol addict started injecting to overcome insomnia, and many had endured abusive childhoods. Two factors that could well have played a role with Michael Jackson, from the abuse dished out from his father, to his own two decade problem with sleeping.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 2:12 pm ET

As far as few interviews, there is more out there than some might think, although not always video

It would have been nice if Michael had done more interviews but considering how the media treated him, it is understandable that he didn't like to do interviews.


Anne   September 6th, 2009 2:14 pm ET

From Ed Pilington
the guardian.co.uk

Omar Manejwala, an expert in addiction treatment at the William Farley Center in Virginia, has observed an alarming rate of post-traumatic stress among his patients. PTSD is not uncommon among addicts, presenting in maybe 30% or even 50% of cases; but with Propofol he sees it in 70% or 80%.

The underlying trauma often relates to childhood, from physical abuse to early exposure to sexual experiences or rape. What draws these people to Propofol, he believes, is that the drug has the ability to induce a sense of oblivion.

"What's shocking is that most Propofol patients are not looking for euphoria or for a high, they just want to go into a coma. They are wanting to disappear."


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 2:21 pm ET

OK, so the Ebony 2007 article link won't get posted and also the speech he gave at Oxford in 2001 to teachers. That is really good and it is also on youtube but I find it hard to understand, it is easier in print.


Cali MJ Fan   September 6th, 2009 2:42 pm ET

According to this Associated Press post, dated "1 day ago" (accessed this date/time).... Audiger is not making the Holmby Hills home into a public space.

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Audigier won't make Jackson's home a public space
(AP) – 1 day ago

LOS ANGELES — Christian Audigier will not transform Michael Jackson's former home into a public space.

Michele Elyzabeth, a spokeswoman for the Ed Hardy clothing founder, said Audigier would move into the sprawling Holmby Hills mansion at the end of Jackson's lease on Dec. 15.

He also said that Audigier had no plans to turn the rental property where the King of Pop collapsed and later died into a public space.

The estate is owned by Ed Hardy CEO Hubert Guez.

Jackson was entombed Thursday night at the Forest Lawn Memorial Park in Glendale, Calif.
***************************

The Houston article is dated Sept 4th (2 days ago) and not sure when the article they cite was posted, but safe to say it was before Houston's article.

Maybe Audiger had a change of heart?.


Maria   September 6th, 2009 2:42 pm ET

Propofol is addictive, especially in people with previous addictions to opiates or in people with a history of mental disorders like ADHD. This has been documented for years. Yes, you can become addicted, you can inject yourself and it is used as a recreational drug, because it offers you pleasant feelings and functions like a "milk of amnesia".
It is not used to treat pain or insomnia; if some people with friends in high places take it for sleep deprivation, they do it at their own risk and become guinea pigs for the medical science, like the ones who use modafinil off-label to suppress the need for sleep and enhance intellectual performance.
The LAPD wants to question the anesthesiologist Neil Ratner to find out if propofol was indeed used since the History Tour, as Arnold Klein told on LKL.

"In addition to the anesthetic properties of propofol, various psychological side effects have been occasionally reported during recovery, such as hallucinations, sexual disinhibition, or euphoria. [8,9] However, the most frequent side effect reported by patients during the recovery from propofol is a feeling of well-being. [10] In addition, at subanesthetic doses, propofol has been found to induce unexpected effects such as anti-emetic, [11] anxiolytic, and pleasant mood-change effects in patients."
From a French study from 1996, available at journals.lww.com –> Anesthesiology –> search for "propofol addiction".


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 2:44 pm ET

Anne- Both those articles appear far-fetched to me. Not only did CNN have anesthesiologists come on LKL and explain how this Propofol is not addictive, they discussed this subject at length.

There were also anesthesiologists that kindly explained why this drug is used as a cocktail and that it is not addictive.

There are websites that go into depth on this subject. In the case with MJ, I think this drug could have been a cover up for something that they did not want the public to know.

Well, It is a beautiful day in Huntington Beach. It is finally starting to cool down. I have to get out and enjoy this amazing day.!! Bye!!


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 2:50 pm ET

I meant to say anesthesiologists that commented on the blog. Maria, The drug propofol basically destroys your ability to do anything for the rest of the day after it is worn off. Rehearsals would be impossible.


Lori   September 6th, 2009 2:55 pm ET

@TL – I think that one of the reasons that propofol is such a popular anesthesia is that it does not leave the patient with any post administration side affects. It wears of quickly and does not leave that anesthesia hangover affect that other surgical sedatives do. I certainly did not have any lingering affects for the rest of my day....

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Tina (Germany)   September 6th, 2009 3:05 pm ET

Then I for sure never got propofol on any surgery, since I wasn't able to think and even forgot that people visited me and talked to me. I was always totaly braindead for the whole day.


Lori   September 6th, 2009 3:19 pm ET

@Tina - maybe it is not the propofol or the surgical sedatives given that made you feel that way. Could it have been the painkillers they give you to combat post-surgery pain? Those always leave me feeling really muddles and I have a difficult time taking any painkillers.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Tina (Germany)   September 6th, 2009 3:26 pm ET

@ Lori.. Oh yes that can be, I got some pills that knocked me out the evening before the surgery, no idea what they gave me the next day, all I know that I didnt remember anything later and familiy made jokes about me telling them weird stories.


Anne   September 6th, 2009 3:42 pm ET

People who have general anesthesia for surgery all get propofol to render them unconscious in addition to many other drugs like fentanyl for pain etc. The effect of the extremely short acting propofol is gone right after you wake up but the effects of the narcotics linger for 24 hours or more.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 3:52 pm ET

I'm just reading the transcript from the online audio chat from 2001, it's pretty long and I hadn't read it before.

Michael says:
But in the music business some of these great artists have become stumped because they self-abuse themselves at a young age, with all these crazy things they drink and pills and things, and uh, that's just not good - just not a good thing. I hate to say that to hurt anybody, but we should take care of our bodies a little more.

He has said this over the years. This is what makes me wonder what really happened and I hope the truth, whatever the truth may be, does come out.


Maria   September 6th, 2009 3:57 pm ET

TL: I don't think so. It depends on the particular patient, on the dosage and on what additional medication they receive (like Versed). You can go to askapatient.com, type Diprivan and see how differently people react to this drug.
By the way, you can see that nobody uses it at home for insomnia.


Anne   September 6th, 2009 4:01 pm ET

Did you read Brian Oxman's article on Huffington Post entitled
"Michael Jackson, Supernova" ?


Samantha - South Africa   September 6th, 2009 4:05 pm ET

The following excerpt is from Moonwalk in which Michael talks about how he reminded people of Frankie Lymon who had died from drug related causes:

"After the show, Mr. Sullivan complimented and thanked each of us; but I was thinking about what he had said to me before the show. I had been wandering around backstage, like the kid in the Pepsi commercial, and ran into Mr. Sullivan. He seemed glad to
see me and shook my hand, but before he let it go he had a special message for me. It was 1970, a year when some of the best people in rock were losing their lives to drugs and alcohol. An older, wiser generation in show business was unprepared to lose its very young. Some people had already said that I reminded them of Frankie Lymon, a great young singer of the 1950s who lost his life that way. Ed Sullivan may have been thinking of all this when he told me, "Never forget where your talent came from, that your talent is a
gift from God."(Jackson,M 1988)

And further on in the book,Michael goes on to say:"Still, the way Elvis destroyed himself interests me, because I don't ever want to walk those grounds myself." (Jackson,M 1988)

From what I gathered after reading Michael's autobiography cover to cover,it becomes pretty evident that he was definitely not the type of person who would become consumed by drugs and this is why I strongly believe the 'vultures' Michael surrounded himself with got him hooked onto drugs as a means of controlling almost every aspect of his life!!!


Mara   September 6th, 2009 4:11 pm ET

Anne

Thank you.

I wonder if Earley wrote this article before or after Michael passed.

I don't know if Michael wanted to disappear I think he just needed to sleep after an exhausting day knowing the next day would be just as exhausting if not more.

Samantha – South Africa

I strongly agree with your last paragraph.


Samantha - South Africa   September 6th, 2009 4:13 pm ET

@ Mara

It just makes me really sad to think that somebody so innocent and trusting like Michael could be lead on by others who didn't really care about him!


Lois   September 6th, 2009 4:14 pm ET

Hi everyone:

Just was cruising around...I found this site through Ticketmaster it is the Official Michael Jackson Opus and you can buy a 400 page publication of Michael's life and photographs. You can only get it through Ticketmaster. But get this the Publication Date says December 7, 2009, shipping begins same day.

There is another date with the 7th in it!! Why that date?? and the pre-order date offer is only to September 30th.


Lisa S   September 6th, 2009 4:16 pm ET

MaryRM

The ebony interview was also recorded. Look for it on youtube or on Ebonys webpage. I dont know if it was the whole or not though.


Samantha - South Africa   September 6th, 2009 4:18 pm ET

Just read on TMZ that the glove Michael wore when he wed Debbie has been auctioned off at $49 000.


Judie   September 6th, 2009 4:18 pm ET

Hi all where is eveyone, .... resting today.....It's been a long week


Mara   September 6th, 2009 4:19 pm ET

Samantha – South Africa

I'm with you, they took him away from us. Someone mentioned that we should keep him on top by purchasing his CD's, I think that's a great idea!


Tina (Germany)   September 6th, 2009 4:21 pm ET

Keep in mind that his use of pills and stuff are based on real health issues and not to become high. I doubt he really saw that as as addiction to drugs. It is known that he tried to eat healthy, did not drink etc. did not even smoke.
The drugs that he is talking about in this interviews are street drugs and not things that are prescriped for real health issues.
People that have Lupus are always under heavy medicine and I doubt they would call themself drug addicts. People with Insomnia that get sleeping pills also don't call themself drug addicts.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 4:22 pm ET

Hi Lois

I saw that. Did you happen to see anything about ticket sales for the movie? I searched the sight but didn't come up with anything.


Lois   September 6th, 2009 4:27 pm ET

I did not come up with anything yet either Mara....I guess you could call Ticketmaster and see if there is any movement on where...I just never had to buy tickets for a movie theatre before lol...I just showed up at the theatre to buy a ticket.


Judie   September 6th, 2009 4:28 pm ET

I for one am sooooooooooo tired of hearing MJ was a drug addict, enough is enough....... I'm sure most people would agree with you Tina. It's not like herion or coke.

My friend at work has lupus and she didn't know MJ had lupus when I told her , she said well that explains it all, I also take alot of drugs. I have all sorts of problems from the lupus medication myself, anxiety is one of them.

I don't want MJ kids thinking their daddy was a drug addict like on the streets.


cherubijne, The Netherlands   September 6th, 2009 4:28 pm ET

Prescription medication -- or drugs,
there is a huge difference.


Judie   September 6th, 2009 4:31 pm ET

cherubijne, The Netherlands EXACTLY


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 4:33 pm ET

the link in my previous blog isn't very good, but that is an interesting website overall.


Tina (Germany)   September 6th, 2009 4:33 pm ET

Search for this clips on youtube. Did Michael Jackson Die From Lupus? Would Explain A Lot... Part 1 etc.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 4:33 pm ET

Yeah but for this movie they're doing it different. I went to my ticketmaster and they had no idea. Oh well, I just have to be patient I guess.


Samantha - South Africa   September 6th, 2009 4:33 pm ET

@ Judie

Try saying that to Diane Dimond,she replied to my email by saying that Michael is a 'drug addict'!


Brigida, Italy   September 6th, 2009 4:37 pm ET

Good afternoon/evening to you all!

MaryRM
thank your for links to the radio interviews. I'm going on, clicking the others too.
These are things we should have heard more when Michael was alive. Not the other, negative ones.

About Audigier... I didn't and I don't like him. Maybe he was a kind of friend but he gives me some strange impression. Don't know what to say but I would never go to this place where MIchael died like most of you.

But also Neverland would be off limits for me, because there are also the negative memories of the raid and one of the worst time he had to go through. :/


Judie   September 6th, 2009 4:38 pm ET

Brigida, Italy,

Hi dear how are you did you catch up on your sleep yet?


Mara   September 6th, 2009 4:39 pm ET

Samantha – South Africa

Her mama's a drug addict!

Lois

I just noticed your sentence about Dec 7th. Wow lots of 7's coming up.


Samantha - South Africa   September 6th, 2009 4:41 pm ET

I wish someone could've advised Michael to seek medical help for his insomnia coz at one point he had to have a dance floor installed in his hotel room during the BAD Tour as he used to dance till the early hours of the morning until he felt sleepy!


Judie   September 6th, 2009 4:44 pm ET

I think he was trying to get healthy for the up-coming o2 and was slowly easing up on some medications. He was trying.


Anne USA   September 6th, 2009 4:46 pm ET

Samantha South Africa

Everytime I see her on tv I want to reach through the screen and slap her myself.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 4:50 pm ET

Lots of people said they tried to warn Michael off diprivan but to no avail. could be desperation combined with the knowledge that he had gotten through it in the 90's.

I accidentally saw Dimond on Entertainment Tonight the other day. I didn't recognize her right away which is why I didn't change the channel. I was surprised that ET actually was letting her report the funeral. I wanted to email them but couldn't find their contact. Don't know why networks let Bashir and Dimond report on Michael, they must think we have no memory.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 4:56 pm ET

Samantha – South Africa

I know that's right.


Samantha - South Africa   September 6th, 2009 4:59 pm ET

On that note......

Good night all,I've had enough with the negativity for today!I'm currently listening to Cry from the Invincible album now and then I'm off to bed.


Judie   September 6th, 2009 4:59 pm ET

I like how DD put words in people's mouth, I'm thinking shut up the interview is about them and what they have to say.... not what you would like them to say.


Judie   September 6th, 2009 5:01 pm ET

Samantha – South Africa good nite


Brigida, Italy   September 6th, 2009 5:06 pm ET

Hi Judie! Yes I did last night but now I have some long long day with my job for this week and get up very early in the morning. So I have to leave soon here.

Samantha, I think he tried for many years to find someone to help him. He said also time ago (if I remember correct to this nurse) that he tried many things to get sleep but nothing worked and because of that he wanted Propofol. I believe, with all the stress and problems around him (bad media, lies, allegations and also performing at his top) a glass of warm milk or "normal" pills weren't working anymore.
And I also believe that he refused psycological (? is this correct?) help because of just so many people that used him, coming out with his secrets. Like some "friend" did. Only an idea and perhaps he tried and it wasn't enough. His whole life was such a problem, so also a psycologist couldn't handle it or he should have been around Michael for years. And Michael choose the easier way with the prescriptions. Or some "doctor" convinced him to do so. His physical pains went away and he thought also to sleep in the meanwhile... it could have been a devilish circle.

But I am also sure, he had years without all this drugs. The time he went on a wheel-chair could have been such a period? But then his problems and Thome and AEG and all reached him and the stress was already there. Again. With Klein, Murray and others around, smelling money in the air and ready to get it.

Hope you understood this english...

Last question: somebody saw Gene around?

Have to go to bed, it's 11pm and at 6am night is over. Bye! Will read you tomorrow.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 5:13 pm ET

Dimond and Bashir are the journalistic equivalent of prostitutes. They will do anything for money. However, I don't want to insult prostitutes, at least they are honest about what they are selling.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 5:13 pm ET

Samantha – South Africa

Good night and thanks for Keeping it Real.


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 6th, 2009 5:39 pm ET

Samantha

I was thinking the same thing If I ever came face to face with DD I would feel like slapping her or throwing a cream pie in her face!


chris   September 6th, 2009 5:40 pm ET

I still believe that Michael's avoidance of the sun because of the vitiligo might very well have been a contributing factor with his insomnia problem.


Gerald Jolly   September 6th, 2009 5:44 pm ET

He's not even completely gone from the hearts of millions of fans.

And already, they are starting to slice up his possessions.

GEEEEEEEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZZ!


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 6th, 2009 5:46 pm ET

What auction is that....I thought MJ stopped that?


Maureen (UK)   September 6th, 2009 5:46 pm ET

Insomnia
Chris, I was just saying on the other blog that light therapy is one of the treatments for insomnia & obviously as you were saying ,in michael's case avoiding the sun because of the Vitiligo, would be a key factor or trigger.


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 6th, 2009 5:52 pm ET

This explains the auction of 1 glove

Michael Jackson glove fetches $49,000 in Australia
Sun Sep 6, 2009 6:22am EDT
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1 of 1Full SizeMELBOURNE (Reuters) – A white glove worn by the late singer Michael Jackson sold at auction for A$57,600 ($49,000) in Australia Sunday, nearly twice the price auctioneers expected, the auction house said.
The white bejeweled glove was a trademark of the U.S. singer, and according to auction house Bonhams and Goodman this was the first Jackson glove to go on sale since he died in June at the age of 50.

The glove sold in Melbourne Sunday was worn by Jackson in Sydney in 1996, on the day he married Debbie Rowe, the mother of his two elder children, the auction house said.

After a bidding war between collectors in Australia and the United States, it was bought by Warwick Stone on behalf of the Hard Rock Hotel and Casino in Las Vegas.

"There was a huge amount of interest in the week leading up to the sale. We were still pretty surprised by the price," Charlotte Stanes of the auction house told Reuters.

In November 1996 Jackson was in Sydney during the HIStory tour, and attended a premiere in Sydney of the film "Ghosts," in which he starred. Earlier the same day the singer had married Rowe.

At the end of the performance Jackson threw the glove to Bill Hibble, a collector of music and film memorabilia, who has since died. Hibble's mother put the glove up for auction.

Giles Moon, national head of collectables for the auction house, said he was "astounded" by the price it fetched.

Jackson was buried last week in California, two months after his death from a drug overdose. His death has been ruled a homicide and police are investigating several doctors. They have said they will seek criminal charges but so far none has been filed


Judie   September 6th, 2009 5:52 pm ET

Hi all when you have Lupus you have to stay out of the sun completely


Maureen (UK)   September 6th, 2009 5:58 pm ET

Judie
Yes, we were saying that staying out of the sun might have made the insomnia worse. That's why Michael should have been referred to a specialist team for sleep disorders & another for pain management.


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 6th, 2009 5:58 pm ET

Hindsight is 20/20....if only we could turn back the clock!


Judie   September 6th, 2009 6:02 pm ET

Do you guys think we will ever get the story, the truth ...we will proably never know the pain he lived through mabey Paris will write a book about her daddy when she's older I think that would be great.


Maureen (UK)   September 6th, 2009 6:17 pm ET

Judie-I think we are slowly but surely, getting to the truth.

Lora, Ottawa. Hindsight ! But MJ should have been referred to the right team/s. His manager must have known the tour would have an impact on his health, anybody would.


Sandy-Houston   September 6th, 2009 6:19 pm ET

It is mind boggling too, how many healthcare workers are addicted/using Diprivan. As a way to deal with lack of sleep, stress, etc.


Lori   September 6th, 2009 7:18 pm ET

@Brigida – Italy - No have not seen Gene for a few days. He probably went fishing over the long holiday weekend.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Alicia from Hawaii   September 6th, 2009 7:30 pm ET

I do like the article by Oxman in the Huffington Post. Thanks for the heads up. Another attorney who believed in his innocence. Isn't it unusual for defense attorneys to say this with such conviction? Usually they assume their client's are guilty.


Lori   September 6th, 2009 7:40 pm ET

@Alicia–defense attorneys always assume their clients are innocent. In this country we have the presumption of innocence guaranteed as a right.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 7:41 pm ET

Hi eveyone
What article is this


Alicia from Hawaii   September 6th, 2009 7:50 pm ET

Well, I know they are supposed to presume innocence, but I don't think they do. Yes, it is a presumption of innocence according to the constitution, but what the defense attorney really believes, I have heard, is different. Sometimes they don't even ask the client if they did it or not, because it is not relevant to their case. Or maybe I have read too much John Grisham : ), but then again, he is an attorney.

Anyway, the point is, I am glad Michael's attorneys talk about his innocence.

The Huffiington Post article by Brian Oxman.


Lori   September 6th, 2009 8:13 pm ET

...Because Michael was innocent.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Maria   September 6th, 2009 8:20 pm ET

@ Gerald Jolly: Neither the Holmby Hills house, nor the auctioned glove were sold by the estate.

About the glove – from bonhamsandgoodman.com.au:

The glove was consigned by the mother of Bill Hibble, now deceased, who was a keen collector of music and film memorabilia. On 15 November 1996 Hibble and his friend, music journalist Peter Holmes, attended the Australian premiere for the movie ‘Ghosts' starring Michael Jackson. The event was held at George Street Cinema centre in Sydney. Jackson was in town for the HIStory World Tour and had married his second wife Debbie Rowe earlier that day. Unexpectedly, he appeared at the premiere with an entourage and sat in a reserved section of the theatre close to where Hibble and Holmes were seated. The short horror musical features some moments of slapstick comedy which apparently were not well received by the audience. Holmes recalls that he and Bill were among the few to laugh at the jokes. At the end of the screening, as Jackson was leaving, he turned and threw the glove to Hibble.


Alicia from Hawaii   September 6th, 2009 8:21 pm ET

Yes, Michael was innocent. Of course.


Jessica   September 6th, 2009 8:39 pm ET

@Anne, I think he is using the word addicted to propofol here loosely. Of course as a doctor he should have chosen his words more carefully. I think he meant that Michael was relying on propofol to help him to sleep, because it was the "sure" medicine that would put him to sleep. From what I've read , propofol is not an addictive drug, but if he needed it to sleep every night, we loosely refer to this as addicted to it. Michael's behaviours appear like he was addicted to it, since he had used it before on a regular basis.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 9:00 pm ET

that 2007 vegaspopular article by Robin Leach was good, but when I refreshed, this blog seems to have disappeared. Maybe there is copyright again, not sure but people should be able to look it up if they want a positive article written when Michael was still alive.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

Thanks to whoever posted the Huffington Post article that was a nice article.

The Vegas article was nice also. Japan loves Michael. Michael could do no wrong in Japan. They will hurt you in Japan if you try to speak one bad thing about him.

When it comes to Michael, those people don't play.


Rozie Wahabi   September 6th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

As a true fan of MJ, it would be interesting to have a look at MJ's mansion (although he spent less than a year in that mansion) so we can see where he spent his last moment of his life.

But also, Neverland should be restored for tourist attraction too (maybe as a museum) since Neverland is Michael’s work of art and vision. This will give his fans around the world a place to come; to remember; to get a chance to know him not just a great musician but also to know the other side of him as a true humanitarian.


Lois   September 6th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I see they deleted that article oh well......it was a good article on MJ's plans. It was written in 2007.


Judie   September 6th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Hey everyone


Judie   September 6th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

I have read so many good article here on the blogs...........Thanks everyone u keep me so informed


Ludy of CA   September 6th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Today's Labor Day. I just want to be the voice for several employees that employers easily find ways to terminate from their jobs in the middle of their treatment for cancer or any serious ailment. Employers argued that they act within the realms of justice but there is no mercy or compassion.


sarah   September 6th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

hi every1

no new news today ...........

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!!PEACE!!!!


Judie   September 6th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Hi sarah


sarah   September 6th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

hi Judie How are you........... i wonder if TI ever going to show up ???(not believing in TI but still he/she should come & explain )

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!!PEACE!!


Mara   September 6th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Hi Judie & sarah

I agree so many good articles posted by our fellow "bloggy" friends. Gotta be fast though cause they be on it with the delete button.


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

hi evryone

That was a very nice artile Lois

can you post the link


sarah   September 6th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

also HI to MARA


Lois   September 6th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

I posted the article on facebook so people can read at their leisure. Re: MJM's plans for the future. It was written in 2007.


Heidi   September 6th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

Hi everyone,

How is everybody tonight?


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

I am good heid how are you–have you heard from Rhonda?


Judie   September 6th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

sarah I'm fine hi to Linda Lois Heidi Mara


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

Taken from Showbiz 411:

Michael Jackson’s Neverland ranch has not — NOT — been sold to designer Christian Audigier. It still belongs to Michael’s estate and Colony Capital LLC.

How did this story get legs? Audigier may have purchased the Holmby Hills estate where Michael died. At least, he’s telling people he did. When Jackson died, Audigier — which is French for publicity vacuum — took huge billboards out in L.A. saying goodbye to Michael. He’s gone on TV proclaiming that they were good pals and working on a line of clothes together in secret.

Whatever.

Anyway, Audigier — who’s responsible for the pedestrian Ed Hardy line of clothes — has not, however, bought Neverland. The 2,900-acre ranch remains as is, awaiting some decision from the Jackson estate and Colony about what will happen. In all likelihood, it will be marketed next year and sold off. There’s nothing left in the house. It’s all gone.

Meantime, Michael’s brother Randy has issued some kind of statement complaining about news organizations that tried to film Michael’s funeral on Thursday night. Randy says it was a private family affair. And of course, it’s being sold to A&E for profit.

Other observations from the funeral on Thursday night: Rebbie Jackson would not go anywhere near her father, Joseph, and as such ceded her monitoring of Michael’s three kids. Janet Jackson shepherded the kids through the service.


jacqueline   September 6th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Good evening everyone


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Hi Judie, Mara, Lois,


Mara   September 6th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Hi Linda & Heidi

Alicia from Hawaii

Where in Hawaii do you live?


Judie   September 6th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

jacqueline and to you also


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

It is just so sad that LAPD destroyed Michael's memories of such a beautful and peaceful place that he had to leave his home.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Susan62509

Hey now, I wear Ed Hardy clothing...


Lois   September 6th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Hi Linda, Judie, Sarah, Heidi – and everyone else lol ;)


Mara   September 6th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Hi jacqueline


Lois   September 6th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

I agree Linda – but it was those accusers that ruined Michael's memories.....I blame them alot for the decline in Michael and all because of friggin money....and one of the accuser's dad, wasn't he a dentist? Surely, he wasn't that poor.


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Hi Lois/Mara
I posted a note on the MJLFT-wall-


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Hello Everyone


Judie   September 6th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

someone start the subject & lets have at it


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Hi Mara:

I just copied/pasted the article. Thought it would bring more conversation to the blog to debate. I enjoyed the term "publicity vacuum".

Hi everyone. I hope you are enjoying this long weekend.


Judie   September 6th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Hi Rhonda good to hear you havn't seen much of you lately....hope u r ok


Patty Anderson   September 6th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Hi everyone

Did you guys her that Michaels glove sold for 49,000 today at the auction.
I'd frame it and never let it out of my sight.

How is everyone tonight?


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Hi Patty and Rhonda.


Lori   September 6th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Hey everyone!

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Judie,
hanging in there barely, but I am managing...blood pressure is at 140 and holding steady so far...I am good


Heidi   September 6th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Hi Patty


Lois   September 6th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Hi Rhonda, Patty, Susan, Lori, seems the crew has arrived lol


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Hi Susan 62509 and Lois


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Lois
O course,his accusers are primary causes–LAPD acted on their accusations–that Jordan Chandler's father Just wanted more and more money. When you see Michael after the Chandler accusation he was still looking like himself–but after that second accusation–he just looked so sad and beaten down–sometimes I couldn't believe it was MJ.


jacqueline   September 6th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

Hey Mara whats up?


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

Happy Labor Day Weekend Everyone!


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Hi Lori, Rhonda, Patty–are you guys


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Has anyone heard if Jermaine has announced yet what performers will be at his Vienna Tribute? Last I heard he was suppose to announce it the end of August.


Patty Anderson   September 6th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Ok ladies let's all reach in our back pockets, we will by Neverland and turn into the real Neverland with Peter Pan and all the trimmings.

We will dedicate it to Michael and keep his childhood dream alive. How does that sound? heee...heee Well it's worth the thought anyway :)


Judie   September 6th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

8080 that is just so not right anything for $$$$$


Sandy-Houston   September 6th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Hello everyone,
I'll be in and out tonight. One question....I didn't see Rebbie at the funeral. Who was she sitting by?


Mara   September 6th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Susan62509

I saw that "pedestrian" Ed Hardy line clothing sentence and I was like "say what"??? lol

Hi Rhonda

I'm happy to see your bp is steady – I was worried about you.

LindaNY

I answered on FB.


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

@Patty
I wish we could
with the all the fans that michael have around the world. I bet you if every fan even gave a dollar-hmmmmmmmm


Heidi   September 6th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

8080,

That is just creepy!


Lois   September 6th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Hey Lori – I have another 7 for you lol....it is on Ticketmaster's website – Michael Jackson Opus – official tribute....anyway, they are selling this book of MJ's life and pre-sale is on until September 30th. However, they say the following:

Publication date: December 7th, 2009, begins shipping same day

Very strange eh? Why December? and again the 7th?


Patty Anderson   September 6th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Hi Linda

Happy Labor Day weekend to you as well TL

Last I heard Susan he was suppose to be announcing it within the next two weeks. I don't think anyone wants to back him on this because he is not really doing it for Michael. He mostly doing it for his own benefit.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 6th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Good evening everyone.


8080   September 6th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

It is sorta creepy, though I don't think it is anything too new.


Lori   September 6th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

@8080 - well that is an interesting link you just posted. Kind of disturbing actually.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Patty Anderson   September 6th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

You never know Linda anythings possible.

Hi Nicole


Lois   September 6th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Patty – I would if I could lol


Heidi   September 6th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Hi Nicole


Lois   September 6th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Hi Nicole how are you?


Judie   September 6th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Linda what would we do with all the extra money lol


jacqueline   September 6th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Hi Nicole


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Hi Rhonda
Hi Nicole


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

It looks like they will announce the Line up for the Vienna Tribute Sept 26.


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

I'll donate more than a dollar


Lori   September 6th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

Wow 8080
That sure got deleted fast!!

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


8080   September 6th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

Sure did lol It was pretty creepy


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

Patty:

Thank you. I kinda felt Jermaine was having a hard time with the concert because Katherine wrote a letter basically asking people to support it. I wonder who is paying for the construction that is going on right now for the stage?


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

Hi Linda


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

The moderator is not playing tonight


Mara   September 6th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

8080

They deleted it before I saw it!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 6th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

Hi Patty, Heidi, Jacqueline and Linda.

Hi Lois - I'm well, and yourself?


Lori   September 6th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

So what's up everyone?

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Judie   September 6th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

why don't they delete some of the older blogs it would be alot faster


Mara   September 6th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Sandy-Houston

I saw Rebbie but I'm not sure she sat together with the family. She may have sat a little to the side but I definately saw her.


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

T/L:

The Tribute is suppose to happen on Sept. 26. Time is running out.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 6th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

8080 – That is an interesting prosthetic mask.


Patty Anderson   September 6th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

I know Mara I was just looking for it.

Hi Lori How are you

How are you doing Rhonda. Keepin our eyes on you we are.


Sandy-Houston   September 6th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

Have you guys listened to "Sacrificed on the Altar of Proper" on Geraldo's website? He spoke with Katherine and Joe, although Katherine didn't want her voice recorded right now. Discussed their beliefs that Michael death was not an accident and Murray is being used as a scapegoat. Take a listen...it is chilling.


Lois   September 6th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

I am good Heidi.....

did you read my post to you Lori about the 7's? scroll up a bit.


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Correction for 10:06 pm above.

I should have eliminated the word "because. Katherine was trying to help Jermaine out with her letter. That is a positive. My 10:06 pm comment sounded like a negative since I re-read it.


Judie   September 6th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

sarah asked earlier about TI showing up......... I'm asking will the gold pants show up that's more important lol


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Patty,
I am doing okay I think...blood pressure is 140 and steady at the moment. I am behaving I promise


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Do you thinks that The Jacksons will eventually build a place or maybe get Neverland back to its original state so fans can go visit-I don't mean have Michael's body there. I think the Great Mausoleum is a beauttiful place-


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Susan62509- Yes time is running out. Lets see. My guess would be AEG responsible for the construction.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

jacqueline

Not much, just post up waiting for my baby to come home. How about you? Where is sandymjfan? She never comes on here!


Patty Anderson   September 6th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

Wow everyone's here tonight. Cool. Has anyone seen Gene lately?

Hi Heidi


Lori   September 6th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

@8080 - you know it actually kind of fit with the theme of this blog in a macabre kind of way....you just never know what things will stay on these blogs, and what will get deleted...

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Lori   September 6th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

@Patty - I think Gene went fishing. In Victoria.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

Linda from New York- According to Wikipeia- MJ sold his portion of Neverland for 35 million on Nov. 10 2008. As far as plans for a fan attraction- does anyone know?


Patty Anderson   September 6th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

There you go Rhonda. Good job!!!

Does anyone think the police will ever get to the bottom of this investigation? I mean what if AEG really did set this up?


Heidi   September 6th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

Here is one Patty:

Oprah show 9/16

9+1+6=16
1+6=7

Just another one


Mara   September 6th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

LindaNY

I wish we could turn back the clock and Neverland would still be somewhere Michael lived because then we would definately have a place to go to. It just seems we have nowhere to go except outside of Forest Lawn.


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

Hi T/L:

Jermaine got another company, that I've never heard of before, to handle it. AEG isn't involved.


Judie   September 6th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

I kinda think they will have Neverland as an attraction someday theres a whole lotta money to be made there


jacqueline   September 6th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

doing good... just taking it easy today


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 6th, 2009 10:23 pm ET

Patty - I believe the authorities will get to the bottom of this. I know the wait is frustrating, but we have to be patient. This case is too important to rush along. They'd better get it right.

(And of course, AEG is up to their butts in this.)

THROW 'EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:23 pm ET

@TL
I thought I read today on this blog that Michael that the estate and colony owns Neverland


Mara   September 6th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Hi Nicole!


Patty Anderson   September 6th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Someone posted that the other day Heidi

Lois posted one earlier. All 7's 7777


Heidi   September 6th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

I did and no one pick up on it so I posted again:0)


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

I am not into numerology–What does it all mean?


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 6th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

Hey Mara. How are you tonight?

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

Patty:

I believe the police will get the investigation ready for the DA in the next few weeks. Since Gerald Jolly says a judge would most likely handle the case (rather than a jury), the court proceedings should go a lot faster.

I don't think AEG is involved in MJ death at all. Like Maria said on another blog, AEG or Sony would not want to destroy their "Golden Goose".


Patty Anderson   September 6th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

I sure hope so Nicole. I don't really care if it takes a year and it just might.

I just hope they reveal the truth.


8080   September 6th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

And the angel which I saw stand upon the sea and upon the earth lifted up his hand to heaven, And sware by him that liveth for ever and ever, who created heaven, and the things that therein are, and the earth, and the things that therein are, and the sea, and the things which are therein, that there should be time no longer: But in the days of the voice of the SEVENTH angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

Heidi- what is going on with the Oprah show and these numbers?


8080   September 6th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.


8080   September 6th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

In Scripture, seven symbolizes completeness or perfection.


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

@Mara
I know–but you said yesterday that Niura was able to get close right–not inside but–she saw the guard going towards the back to place oher flowers, righ–can we at least get to where the Mausoleum is


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

Linda:

You are correct. Colony owns approx 75% and MJ's estate owns approx 25% of Neverland as of today.


8080   September 6th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

Really I am not religious- but it makes one think


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 6th, 2009 10:31 pm ET

8080 - Oh, now you're onto something I love. Revelation 10.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


8080   September 6th, 2009 10:31 pm ET

@Nicole It can make you wonder about Mike and his innocence.


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

what does numerology have to do with religion-–I don't understand–what does the number seven have to with anything–


Judie   September 6th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

ok I'm lost w/the 777 stuff is that with the MJ death hoax too


Lori   September 6th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

@linda NY I posted an explanation of the numerology meaning of number 7 somewhere on these blogs - but I don't remember which one. If anyone remembers where it is at, please tell me, or linda. LOL

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Heidi   September 6th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

Tl,

I have no idea??? The #7 keep popping up all the time.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

Nicole S – North Carolina

Doing good tonight – throw em in the can for diprivan is right!


Lois   September 6th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

8080 – well we know MJ strived for perfection.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

The way Jermaine was talking about his new mission, it sounds like he may be interested in rejuvenating Neverland. It would be great if underprivileged kids could once again enjoy it, if he would also do that part, not just as a museum. That is such a shame, that the trial not only resulted in such pain for Michael, but the kids lost out on Neverland because of people who claimed they had the kids interest at heart.

As far as AEG goes, who knows, but they would make much more money from a successful set of shows. I really don't like the talk about Michael not being able to do 50 shows. These were scheduled at only about 2 per week over a period of 9 months. Mick Jagger and the Stones did a world tour when they were 65. It is about fitness. My husband is 55 and cycles 100-140 km every Saturday and Sunday, he is also training for a marathon and has a high stress job. And he is a cancer survivor so his body has had some big hits.

If there was a conspiracy, someone with an axe to grind, like Tohme is where I would put my money.


8080   September 6th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

@Judi – SOME BELIEVE -God introduced the Number Seven as a symbol of the completion of His initial creative act. But the work that He ended on the Seventh Day in the First Book was really just the beginning of the Biblical revelation of all history that He consummated in the Last Book. And it is here that we see the Divine consistency of the Number Seven as a Biblical symbol; God used it with exactly the same meaning when He revealed the end of time, described as the completion of the "mystery of God," in Revelation 10:5ff:


Lori   September 6th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

8080 - thanks for the scripture. Very interesting. And just because I posted that numerology info don't assume I believe it. I also posted a disclaimer.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

@lori
What does numbet 7 have to do with MJ–from what I read, alotof things that happened to MJ in his life are associated with the number 7. what does it mean?


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

Heidi- How is Oprah related to the number 7?

8080- Are we at perfection yet?


8080   September 6th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

Have big storm here, but in leaving , perhaps Mike was mocked for the greatness in his giving. And Mocked because all messengers are mis-understood and perhaps once again humanity has proven we are not ready for a divine being.
BBL after the storm.


Judie   September 6th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

I understand that part 8080 but what does that have to do w/Michael? I must of missed something..I thought it was w/the death hoax ... something 70 days on the 7th stuff to that effect


Heidi   September 6th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

TL,

She is airing her show on Michael that day 9/16 about time!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 6th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

8080 – Michael was chastised, ridiculed and often taken for granted. The Father has everything listed in His book. It is written. He knows the truth. And those who abused His son will be dealt with accordingly. No one gets away with anything. No one.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


sandymjfan   September 6th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

Hi Mara...I'm here just reading ..I'm at work


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 10:40 pm ET

Hi Sandy


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:40 pm ET

8080
so, you're saying that Michael was a messenger of god or something


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 6th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

See you later, 8080. Stay safe in the storm.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Mara   September 6th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

LindaNY

Yes she was able to go as far as the presentation of The Last Supper Window. I say that's good enough. So when you all come we can drive there only 4-5 hour drive.


sandymjfan   September 6th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

MJ born at 12:13 / 1+2+1+3=7


Judie   September 6th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

Linda we must of been absent when all this 7 stuff was going on lol


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

@Nicole s
You got that right–they will be dealt with–


sandymjfan   September 6th, 2009 10:43 pm ET

Hi Rhonda!!!! You doing ok girl?


jacqueline   September 6th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

Hi Sandy


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 6th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

Linda - Indeed they will. One way or another.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

@Mara
–I would love too-so-the the last supper window is not too far off. The place sounds absolutely beautiful.


sandymjfan   September 6th, 2009 10:46 pm ET

Hi Jacqueline!!!


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

MaryRM:

Neverland is valued at $67 million today. Tom Barrick is the majority holder and doesn't want to sell. Jermaine's new mission (per his interview with LKL) is to give to charities like MJ did.


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

Hi sandy and Jacqueline


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

Where is Mytake tonight?


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

Yes Sandy,
I am okay and blood pressure is still holding at 140....I told Linda that I am behaving myself....just working on the site and trying to stay calm


Lori   September 6th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

@8080 – hope you come back and bring some more interesting converations to the bloggy. :)

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Mara   September 6th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

sandymjfan

Well it is nice to see you tonight. How's it going at work? Quiet night?


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

susan62509
Tom Barrick is a businesman–why on earth would he sell Neverland–If it is valued at $67 million today–can you imagine the amount of money Neverland would be worth if they turn into a place where Michael's fans go visit--I can't count that high


Judie   September 6th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

Rhonda stay away from the gold pants that will definitley bring up anyones BP


jacqueline   September 6th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

Hi Linda How are you doing tonight


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

Judie,
too late....i have the video on the site. I am there everyday rearranging and looking at the pages so i get to see it all the time....LOL


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

good jacqueline


Judie   September 6th, 2009 10:55 pm ET

Rhonda can I have your site again


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

Barrack is a majority holder, and although I know a portion of Michael's share was sold, when Jermaine talked about wanting Michael to be buried there, I thought the Jackson family must still have a significant stake in the property. Maybe he was in discussion with this majority holder, don't know.


Judie   September 6th, 2009 10:58 pm ET

got it Thanks


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 10:58 pm ET

Linda:

Barrick is a billionaire. He's probably just waiting things out for a year or so, then perhaps he'll change his mind. Neverland is still a problem to be a public place because MJ's original possessions won't be there and the neighborhood wants their privacy. I don't know who will end up in control of MJ's possessions. Hopefully they all won't be sold.

I think the best place for a museum or memorial would be Las Vegas. Neverland is like Oprah's home in Santa Barbara. It's a long drive to get to it from the freeway, the closest town is small, and it would be a 1.5 to 2 hour drive from the L.A. airport.


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 10:59 pm ET

Welcome Judie


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 11:00 pm ET

Linda,
It is on there also


Heidi   September 6th, 2009 11:01 pm ET

Linda it's on her site


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 11:02 pm ET

Rhonda

OK

Don't you just love it–I could just watch it for hours–


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 11:04 pm ET

Maryrm
I got that same feeling from Jermaine's discussion with Larry King.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 11:06 pm ET

Susan62509

I agree LV would be the best place for a memorial...


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 11:07 pm ET

MaryRM:

Jermaine wanted MJ to be buried in Neverland. Problem is Jermaine was out of touch with reality when he made that statement. Jermaine was still grieving when he made the statement and meant it more as "wishful" thinking. He hadn't thought ahead with the business/ownership details. Katherine knew MJ's true feelings and honored them with Forest Lawn.


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 11:09 pm ET

Linda,
Yes I love it....I have a lot of them and it is hard to choose which one I want to watch first LOL


Heidi   September 6th, 2009 11:10 pm ET

Susan62509,

I don’t think Michael would have wanted to be hidden away from his fans I don’t think that was his wishes.


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 11:12 pm ET

Linda- Love that video!!

Susan62509- Las Vegas sounds perfect for a memorial or museum for MJ!


jacqueline   September 6th, 2009 11:12 pm ET

I don't think so either Heidi


Judie   September 6th, 2009 11:12 pm ET

Rhonda I'm sorry I must of wrote it wrong please post it again thank you soooo much I write like I type duh


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 11:13 pm ET

www seeking the truth mj fans com


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 11:13 pm ET

Mara:

Michael Jackson Museum Las Vegas. Hey Mara, we could get jobs there. I live here too. How about a big l.e.d monitor outside of MJ singing and dancing and people in line or on the street just rocking out all the time. What fun.


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 11:14 pm ET

Susan,
as long as you put the gold pants video on there LOL


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 11:15 pm ET

I will be in vegas in December


Mara   September 6th, 2009 11:15 pm ET

susan62509

You live here too? We need to meet up. I live in Summerlin.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 11:16 pm ET

Rhonda

We definately have to meet up. Will you be out here for the Rodeo?


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 11:17 pm ET

Heidi:

I'm just going with the fact that MJ never wanted to return to Neverland after his last trial. I read where Katherine was aware of those feelings. Katherine made the decision of where was the best place for her son and I think she as a mother, wanted a place where he would be protected. I have no idea on what MJ really wanted.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 11:17 pm ET

Susan62509

Were you at the party at the Palms?


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 11:18 pm ET

Mara,
yes...coming up for the convention...will be staying at the South Pointe


lindafromnewyork   September 6th, 2009 11:19 pm ET

@Heidi
i don't think that the family hid Michael away from the fans because they wanted to-I don't think they had a choice–I think the media is responsible for this. I don't blame the family at all. I have to tell you that I don't have a problem with Michael being in the Great Mausoleum–


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 11:19 pm ET

Susan – yes, I am very glad Michael is at Forest Lawn, I never liked what they did to Elvis. Even though the Santa Barbara police and DA defiled the house, it could still be good as a testament because so much of Michael is apparently there. The giving tree where he wrote so many songs, to become one with nature, that was brilliant.

But then like everyone is saying, there are logistical obstacles like interrupting an established neighbourhood and such so it may not happen. Not sure what they could do with the house either. It looked strange when Larry showed it all empty, lifeless.


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 11:20 pm ET

Rhonda: LOL. Gold pants....you bet.

Mara:

Summerlin is a very very nice area. I'm 1 mile south of Anthem....Silverado Ranch.


MaryRM   September 6th, 2009 11:22 pm ET

Just re-read my last post – I meant Neverland could still be a good testament, not the house. I guess I'm tired – going to bed. goodnight


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 11:23 pm ET

Mara:

No didn't attend the Palms event.

Rhonda:

Wow.....I live 1 mile from South Pointe.


jacqueline   September 6th, 2009 11:24 pm ET

Good night MaryRM


Anne   September 6th, 2009 11:24 pm ET

In the 2003 Fox MJ Private Home Movies Michael says he loves Neverland, that it is him, and that he would never sell it. But after the trial he wouldn't go back. That is so incredibly sad. He deserves a place like Elvis where fans can mourn his death and celebrate his birthday etc. But with all the haters in the world (Obama can't even speak to high schools because of them and he is president), I do not think Neverland would ever be a good place for MJ. I am glad he is safe at Forest Lawn.

I really wish I could get a copy of that Michael Jackson Private Home Movies show. I always makes me happy to watch it.


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 11:24 pm ET

MaryRM- What did they do to Elvis?


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 11:25 pm ET

MaryRM:

Good night. Sleep well. Until tomorrow.....


Gerald Jolly   September 6th, 2009 11:26 pm ET

For some of you ladies that have asked "WHAT DOES THE NUMBER (7) signafy.

In biblical terms the # 7 signifies the following.

LUST-GLUTTONY-GREED-SLOTH-WRATH-PRIDE-AVERICE

Hope this will clear up that question for you.

In the chinese calendar the # 7 signafies the seven constalations that the ancient chinese believed was the path to everlasting life, under their great God "PANGU"

In our north american culture, the # 7 was the indication of the warmest month of the year July, when our forefathers would go forth to discover new lands.

And lastly, of the people polled 50 years ago, as to what was their favority number, 75% answered the number 7


8080   September 6th, 2009 11:29 pm ET

Love the monsoon storms, they come and go


Mara   September 6th, 2009 11:31 pm ET

Susan62509

I know... I love Summerlin I've lived here for 19 years, the Mayor lives here also.

I don't get out your way that often as I live and work in Summerlin so I'm either here or on the strip.


Heidi   September 6th, 2009 11:31 pm ET

Thank you Gerald Jolly! Where have you been....HI


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 11:31 pm ET

Hi Gerald:

Thank you for answering my question regarding jury vs judge. Do you think the court time will go a lot faster with a judge?


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 11:34 pm ET

Mara:

Same with me on the south end of the valley....live & work. We should definitely meet up with Rhonda in December.


Judie   September 6th, 2009 11:35 pm ET

Thanks Rhonda I wrote fan instead of fans


Heidi   September 6th, 2009 11:35 pm ET

TL,

Graceland was turned into a place where all of Elvis’s fans can come to you can go through the house and the grounds – I’ve been it is really nice. Plus his grave is there along with his mother.


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 11:36 pm ET

I'm all for it girls..this year maybe i want have to spend the entire time in my room LOL

Welcome Judie


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 11:37 pm ET

8080- Thanks for the photos of neverland. That place reminds me of my parents place on a much smaller scale. Or Hearst Castle. My father was very much like Mr. Hearst and I think MJ was also much like him where he wanted to be an Island all to himself.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 6th, 2009 11:37 pm ET

Welcome back, 8080.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Judie   September 6th, 2009 11:38 pm ET

Rhonda I love the I can't stop Loving You video i watch it all the time that & mj makes me lose my breath......


Patty Anderson   September 6th, 2009 11:39 pm ET

Ok I'm back had to finish watching my video. I was watching Dangerous and well when it was time for Keep It In the closet, I couldn't help myself :) :)


8080   September 6th, 2009 11:40 pm ET

Hi Nicole


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 6th, 2009 11:41 pm ET

Hi 8080.


Mara   September 6th, 2009 11:42 pm ET

Rhonda

There will be no such thing. You'll be in good hands. Party is my specialty. What happens in Vegas STAYS in Vegas. LOL


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 11:42 pm ET

TL:

I loved Hearst Castle. The Castle is so beautiful and all the stories that go with it. To think how the old movie stars would come by train to visit. I wonder if MJ ever got the opportunity to visit.


Lori   September 6th, 2009 11:43 pm ET

Hi 8080 - no flash floods, I hope?

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 11:43 pm ET

Mara,
Yes, so i have heard LOL


8080   September 6th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

I am sure some of the streets are closed with washes here.


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

Judie,
I love the Come Together one.. :)-


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

Rhonda:

Start saving your money. Food, drinks, night clubs, etc. are very expensive on The Strip. Have you been to Vegas before?


Patty Anderson   September 6th, 2009 11:45 pm ET

8080 Thank you for sharing the Neverland photo's. Really nice


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 11:45 pm ET

Susan62509- I would bet on it that is where MJ acquired some of his inspiration.


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 11:46 pm ET

Yes,
two years in a row..I go up for the rodeo convention..I usually get stuck in my room except at night and then I get to go play the slots. I am usually all by myself during the day so I just stay in the room and watch tv


8080   September 6th, 2009 11:48 pm ET

Looks like the mod deleted it. Wonder what time they get off work.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 6th, 2009 11:50 pm ET

LOL 8080...

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori   September 6th, 2009 11:51 pm ET

@8080 - like I said earlier, you just never know what will, and will not be deleted around here. There seems to be no rhyme or reason for it at all. And I missed it. :(

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 11:52 pm ET

8080- What city are you in?

Are you still there Gerald Jolly?


Judie   September 6th, 2009 11:52 pm ET

Rhonda yes come together love it too as far as dancing Smooth Criminal long version its the best. Mj so handsom


Susan62509   September 6th, 2009 11:53 pm ET

Rhonda:

Kick off the cowboy boots and bring the high heels and tennis shoes. Mara and I will take you on the tour. There is so much to do and see that you can't cover it in 1 day. We could take you to the museum and take pictures of you standing or hugging MJ.

South Pointe is on The Strip but approx. 4 miles of where all the major fun and resorts begin. South Pointe does run a shuttle every 2 hours to the main part of The Strip. Since I live so close to where you will be staying, I'll pick you up and do the driving.


8080   September 6th, 2009 11:54 pm ET

Tucson


TL/Huntington Beach   September 6th, 2009 11:57 pm ET

8080- There are summer storms in Tucson? It must be 100 degrees.


Rhonda   September 6th, 2009 11:59 pm ET

Susan,
Sounds good to me....I don't wear cowboy boots.....I don't dress western either. I all tennis shoes, blue jeans and t-shirts...

Except at work...then it is business casual wear


jacqueline   September 6th, 2009 11:59 pm ET

Good night everybody.... early day tomorrow


Rhonda   September 7th, 2009 12:00 am ET

@8080...I live in Arizona also....We had bad storms yesterday....It is like 112 here


Rhonda   September 7th, 2009 12:00 am ET

Night jacqueline


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 12:01 am ET

Good Night Jacqueline. Rest well


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 12:01 am ET

TL - it's actually 75 with thunderstorms.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


8080   September 7th, 2009 12:02 am ET

It is monsoon storms. It was 98 here today. You must be in PHX , YUMA area for 112


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 12:02 am ET

Good night, Jacqueline.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Susan62509   September 7th, 2009 12:02 am ET

Rhonda:

I didn't mean to offend you. I was just picking up on the rodeo theme. I live in jeans and Tee's in the winter. During summer, I'm half naked because it so bloody hot here. LOL

Good night Jacqueline. See you tomorrow.


TL/Huntington Beach   September 7th, 2009 12:03 am ET

Nicole S.- Are you in Tucson or North Carolina? 75 is not bad at all.


Lori   September 7th, 2009 12:04 am ET

I hate those big rain storms and gully washers. You can go from dry to drowned in a minute.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 12:06 am ET

Good grief...TV Guide Network is showing that stupid Man in the Mirror film again. I don't generally hate, but I sure do hate that movie.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Heidi   September 7th, 2009 12:07 am ET

You should live in Oregon we have that all the time I have web feet....that is why we are so green.


TL/Huntington Beach   September 7th, 2009 12:07 am ET

Rhonda- 112 in Arizona. You probably spend a great deal of time inside.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 12:08 am ET

They had it on yesterday also Nicole. I didn't care for it the first time I saw it.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 12:08 am ET

TL - of course I'm in North Carolina. I saw it on TWC earlier.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


TL/Huntington Beach   September 7th, 2009 12:09 am ET

Heidi- I would love to go to Oregon someday. We live in a desert in Southern California. It seems like any place I visit is greener than here.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 12:09 am ET

Hi Jacquelyn. Nice slogan!! :)


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 12:10 am ET

Jacquelyn - ROFL ROFL...hey girl.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori   September 7th, 2009 12:10 am ET

@Jacquelyn - ROTFL - girl that just has so many conatations!!

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Susan62509   September 7th, 2009 12:11 am ET

Good night everyone. It's been a good evening. See you tomorrow.


Jacquelyn   September 7th, 2009 12:11 am ET

Hi, Patty. Thanks :)


Jacquelyn   September 7th, 2009 12:12 am ET

Hi Nicole and Lori, Lol. :)


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 12:12 am ET

How on earth do you guys stand that heat. I think in Wisconsin the hottest it gets is in the 90's. We get heat indexes over 100 but that's only because the humidity gets so darn high. Hope you have good air conditioners.


Lori   September 7th, 2009 12:13 am ET

Night Susan


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 12:13 am ET

Good night, Susan.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


8080   September 7th, 2009 12:13 am ET

Yes I can Jacquelyn, but I am not on the account with the letter, so I don't have your email address.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 12:15 am ET

Good night Susuan


8080   September 7th, 2009 12:15 am ET

@Patty I don't like the summers here at all.


TL/Huntington Beach   September 7th, 2009 12:15 am ET

Rest Well Susan!


sandymjfan   September 7th, 2009 12:16 am ET

tooo busy at work to talk/....darn......its a holiday weekend and everyone wants to come to the ER!! Why I don't know...LOL


Rhonda   September 7th, 2009 12:17 am ET

Susan,
no offense taken..... Night

Patty,
we stay indoors a lot LOl


8080   September 7th, 2009 12:18 am ET

Jacquelyn check your email and also check spam filter.


Rhonda   September 7th, 2009 12:21 am ET

LOL @ Sandy


Lori   September 7th, 2009 12:27 am ET

I have family in the Phoenix area and I hardly ever get to see them because I do not like the heat. Well and I like to fly even less.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 12:28 am ET

LOL....Tatiana, they instantly deleted your video.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 12:28 am ET

What the hell? I was about to watch that video


Lori   September 7th, 2009 12:29 am ET

There sure is a lot of deleting going on tonight.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


tatiana   September 7th, 2009 12:29 am ET

Yes Nicole, I think you had not time to watch, I don`t know why they did it


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 12:30 am ET

Linda it was awesome. I saved .

I saved it in my email. can I forward it?


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 12:30 am ET

LOL Linda...oh well...

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Barbara   September 7th, 2009 12:31 am ET

I'm glad I got to watch the video before they deleted it Tatiana. Michael's got a smile that just melts my heart. ♥
Thanks for posting!


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 12:31 am ET

What's going on tonight they are really deleting things and quickly


tatiana   September 7th, 2009 12:31 am ET

I hope thy keep these blogs at least, i will put it again


TL/Huntington Beach   September 7th, 2009 12:31 am ET

Tatiana- I watched the video. It was beautiful!


Alicia from Hawaii   September 7th, 2009 12:32 am ET

Hi Mara, I live in Honolulu, outside the city.
Where do you live?


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 12:32 am ET

Thanks Tatiana that was really sweet. Really precious video. Some really good moments on there


tatiana   September 7th, 2009 12:33 am ET

Thaks Linda for posting it


tatiana   September 7th, 2009 12:34 am ET

Thanks Patty, somebody put it in youtube a hour ago, I just find it now


tatiana   September 7th, 2009 12:37 am ET

Linda, did you have time to watch it?


Alicia from Hawaii   September 7th, 2009 12:38 am ET

That would be so awesome if the fans bought Neverland!!! What a lovely thought. I'll give my dollar plus.


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 12:38 am ET

HI Jacquelyn


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 12:39 am ET

Tatiana
I did watch it–it is beautiful-


tatiana   September 7th, 2009 12:42 am ET

What a wonderful smile!!


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 12:46 am ET

Alicia it may be a dream but it would be awesome. COuld you imagine what us fans could put together?


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 12:47 am ET

Tatiana
I know–that smile just melts your heart-


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 12:47 am ET

Tatiana.. A smile that can melt every bit of you.


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 12:51 am ET

Ladies
If had gotten a chance to meet Michael–he would just have to smile and it would be all over. That's all I'm saying.


Lori   September 7th, 2009 12:54 am ET

@linda - True story

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 1:04 am ET

night


Heidi   September 7th, 2009 1:06 am ET

Good Night Linda...Sleep Well


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 1:07 am ET

night Hedi


Lori   September 7th, 2009 1:08 am ET

Well, maybe next week we will finally hear something new about the investigation.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


TL/Huntington Beach   September 7th, 2009 1:08 am ET

Linda- Good night! Did everyone else fall asleep?


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 1:10 am ET

I'm here, TL. Bored to pieces, though.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


TL/Huntington Beach   September 7th, 2009 1:12 am ET

My husband is watching Beatles Collection. He said he didn't blog when John Lennon died. He called in on talk radio.


Lori   September 7th, 2009 1:14 am ET

@TL and Nicole are we the only ones left? Please someone start an interesting topic.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 1:15 am ET

I'm thinking...

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


sarah   September 7th, 2009 1:16 am ET

Have to go now , Takecare all Bloggers

anyone notice that in this whole investigation MJ death we just get big news and THEN it get soo quiet for a while then BAM another HEADLINE comes from no where, its just so strange or maybe i am going crazy ........heheh lolz :D

BYE

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!!PEACE!!!!


Barbara   September 7th, 2009 1:17 am ET

Did Larry King ever interview Michael?


TL/Huntington Beach   September 7th, 2009 1:17 am ET

Mytake- Are you out there? Everytime you come on- You say something very thought provoking.

Nicole- What do you do for fun in North Carolina?


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 1:18 am ET

Do you all think Audigier is really going to mass produce and market the clothing line he and Michael created for the O2 concerts?

Michael looked great in those outfits.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori   September 7th, 2009 1:18 am ET

Hi Sara– haven't seen you all night and now you are leaving?

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 1:19 am ET

TL - North Carolina is as boring as it gets. This place is worse than watching paint dry.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 1:19 am ET

Someone aked earlier about the tribute Jermaine was working on.
Just found some info
Vienna tribute lineup to be unveiled soon
live broadcast to at least 1 billion people worldwide

One week from now: Organizers say Jermaine will hold a news conference in the Austrian capital next Tuesday to unveil the lineup for the Sept. 26 concert. Jermaine Jackson has promised that some of the world's top entertainers will perform Michael's greatest hits on a crown-shaped stage being erected outside Vienna's former imperial Schoenbrunn Palace.

He says the event will be broadcast live to 1 billion fans around the world.


sarah   September 7th, 2009 1:19 am ET

yah sorry about that, i am staying for a while

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!!PEACE!!!


Heidi   September 7th, 2009 1:25 am ET

God they delete that fast Patty...you would think they would keep that up because of Larry's wife.


Lori   September 7th, 2009 1:27 am ET

@Sarah - I have not traveled much. Tell me about Pakistan.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 1:27 am ET

Heidi Here
Vienna tribute lineup to be unveiled soon
live broadcast to at least 1 billion people worldwide

One week from now: Organizers say Jermaine will hold a news conference in the Austrian capital next Tuesday to unveil the lineup for the Sept. 26 concert. Jermaine Jackson has promised that some of the world's top entertainers will perform Michael's greatest hits on a crown-shaped stage being erected outside Vienna's former imperial Schoenbrunn Palace.

He says the event will be broadcast live to 1 billion fans around the world.


TL/Huntington Beach   September 7th, 2009 1:28 am ET

Nicole S.- Have you ever thought about moving to a more stimulating city? Better yet- take a road trip!

Patty A.- I am looking forward to the televised tribute. It is going to be astounding!


Mara   September 7th, 2009 1:29 am ET

Goodnight Linda

Patty – the tickets are cheap not that expensive. I was going to buy a hat and t-shirt but it's not on sale online. That sucks! I didn't see a line-up either did you?


Heidi   September 7th, 2009 1:30 am ET

Thanks Patty


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 1:31 am ET

TL If they are planning to use Gone To Soon, I hope they use Usher. He's the only one in my book that can sing it so beautifully except for Michael


sarah   September 7th, 2009 1:31 am ET

well Pakistan is a Muslim country, with many different cultures


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 1:32 am ET

Mara Jermaine is suppose to announce it in one week.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 1:32 am ET

Alicia from Hawaii

I currently live in LV. My father was a pilot for the Air Force so we were stationed on Hickam Air Force Base for 4 years and I went to Radford High School. Military High school.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 1:33 am ET

TL - No. Home is where the heart is. My heart is here. It may be boring, but I still love it. I've been many places, and there's no place like home.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


sarah   September 7th, 2009 1:34 am ET

i am from city of Karachi State Name is SINDH


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 1:35 am ET

Heidi your welcome. I'm always searching


Lori   September 7th, 2009 1:35 am ET

Sarah – what do you do there? Go to school? Work? Tell me about the culture and the climate?

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


sarah   September 7th, 2009 1:35 am ET

are they going to show that tribute on regular channels or those payper view ???

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!!PEACE!!!


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 1:36 am ET

Good Night Linda sleep tight.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 1:36 am ET

Patty

I see on the tribute page he gave a special thanks to CNN and Larry.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 1:37 am ET

I hope they do Sarah, but if they are trying to raise money for charities, it might be ppv


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 1:39 am ET

Mara On the FB tribute page?


sarah   September 7th, 2009 1:40 am ET

i am finished with my studies, last year, haven't found the job yet coz the economy of the whole world is turned upside down, climate of where i lived is some times very hot ok mostly hot, last weeks we a few unexpected rain shower so quiet good right now, and we get little bit cold in dec, and jan when the cold breeze comes from the Quetta region kind a like a California weather, little bit cold at night but melting in the morning ............


TL/Huntington Beach   September 7th, 2009 1:41 am ET

Patty- Usher is really good. It is going to be a most exhilarating and poignant show.

Nicole- I feel the same way. I love it where I live. It's home.


lee   September 7th, 2009 1:42 am ET

CNN,–All week you advertised a Michael Jackson documentary for this weekend "Man In The mirror....but it was never aired. What happened?


Lori   September 7th, 2009 1:42 am ET

Sarah it sounds nice. What kind of work are you looking for? What is the time difference? So your country is like Northern California? or Southern?

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Mara   September 7th, 2009 1:43 am ET

Patty on Jermaine's Tribute page – the one you posted here.


sarah   September 7th, 2009 1:45 am ET

well i m trying to do MBA also soo not much of a work looking right now, maybe do intern or something haven't figure out yet , the time in karachi rite now is 11:43 monday morning,


sarah   September 7th, 2009 1:46 am ET

yah its kind a like southern California


TL/Huntington Beach   September 7th, 2009 1:49 am ET

Sarah- Do you want to move or stay where you are at?


sarah   September 7th, 2009 1:49 am ET

i am probably going to visit usa next month .........


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 1:50 am ET

Can't spell either. Geeeeeeez


sarah   September 7th, 2009 1:55 am ET

ok then gtg now

Takecare all Bloggers

BYE

FANS OF M J FROM PAKISTAN!!!PEACE!!1


Lori   September 7th, 2009 1:56 am ET

@Sarah – my niece is just starting her MBA program.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


sarah   September 7th, 2009 1:56 am ET

oh thts great LORI


TL/Huntington Beach   September 7th, 2009 1:57 am ET

Good Night Everyone!!


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 1:58 am ET

Good Night Sarah and TL

Same for me goodnight everyone


Lori   September 7th, 2009 2:02 am ET

Good night TL :)


Lori   September 7th, 2009 2:04 am ET

Sarah, her main interest is in finance. What is yours?

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 2:07 am ET

Good night, TL.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Heidi   September 7th, 2009 2:08 am ET

Good Night Nicole....Sleep Well


Heidi   September 7th, 2009 2:09 am ET

Sorry Nicole

Good Tl....


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 2:14 am ET

Listed below is an article by Brian Oxman. Formulate your own opinions.
________________________________________

Jackson's Star Burned So Bright
By BRIAN OXMAN
Jackson family lawyer

Published: 05 Sep 2009

LAWYER Brian Oxman is a close friend and confidante of almost every member of the Jackson family after representing them for more than 20 years.

He helped to successfully defend Michael against child abuse charges in 2005, and was particularly close to the star.

Here he gives his view of the moving service:

MICHAEL Jackson's funeral was a gathering of close friends, family and people I had not seen for years.

Together we mourned our loss, and together we took strength from one another because we all joined to celebrate the life of an extraordinary man.

As I sat in the Great Mausoleum at Forest Lawn Cemetery to say farewell to Michael, I wondered if the sunglasses they all wore were meant not to shield their eyes from prying cameras, but from the brilliant light of the supernova – the death of a massive star.

For sure, the light from the other stars at the funeral was bright. I sat next to Elizabeth Taylor at the service, and I told her Michael loved her dearly and would be proud that she was there.

But Michael's death was the supernova of a star whose light was more controversial, more luminous and more fascinating than any others.

The eulogies from Joe Jackson, Rev Al Sharpton, and Jackie Jackson's son Siggy told of Michael's extraordinary life. And it was certain that Michael Jackson was now larger in death than he was in life.

We will be dissecting his life for years to come in books and movies, only I don't think we will ever capture the human emotion everyone felt this day when we laid Michael Jackson to rest.

I sat next to Dave Dave, whose father doused him with kerosene and burned 90 per cent of his six-year-old body.

Michael cared for Dave Dave for more than 30 years, never asking for anything in return. His eulogy was moving. The world should never forget how Michael gave back not only to Dave Dave, but to so many other needy people.

Magic
I have a unique view of the Jackson Family. Some people knew Michael. Others knew Janet, or La Toya, or Rebbie. Or Jackie, Jermaine, Tito, Marlon, or Randy. But I knew them all.

From their mom and dad, Katherine and Joe, to their grandchildren, they were all my friends.

I know all of their secrets, all of their tears, and all of their failures and glories. I never felt that any of them – from Michael right on down the line – ever did anything where I couldn't hold my head up high and say these are my friends and I am proud of them.

There are many things that Michael Jackson has to answer for to his maker, including why he would have allowed himself to be destroyed by the use of drugs he knew could only hurt him.

However, what I can say for certain and with great emotion is that his conversations with the Lord are not about the allegations which surrounded his life, but rather about how he treated himself and dealt with the magic he received as a gift from God.

Everyone in the Great Mausoleum was sad to see Michael go, and it was as if no one wanted to say a final farewell. He was a good man, a kind man. But he had a tough time dealing with the simplest things involving just living with people – like the most basic elements of greed and jealousy.

Michael and I talked a lot about the controversies. When I said to him that he was never dull, he said me: "It's a sin to be dull."

In the evolution of the universe, the supernova creates a shockwave where new stars are formed. I watched the tears from Michael's children when they said their final goodbye to their dad. And I wondered could it be that Prince, Paris and little Blanket are the legacy of a new star formation that the Michael Jackson supernova has left behind?

NO PAYMENT OR CONSIDERATION HAS BEEN MADE FOR THIS ARTICLE
_________________________________

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 2:16 am ET

I'm not leaving yet, Heidi.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Heidi   September 7th, 2009 2:22 am ET

I know I said I was sorry....maybe I should go to bed.


Lori Quebec Canada   September 7th, 2009 2:23 am ET

Nicole S. - North Carolina September 7th, 2009 12:28 am ET

LOL….Tatiana, they instantly deleted your video.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!
--------------------------------
What was the video about?


Alicia from Hawaii   September 7th, 2009 2:28 am ET

Anne,the MJ private home movies is part of the Ultimate Collection, the one with 32 DVDs and one CD. It's amazing! I got it on ebay.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 2:30 am ET

Lori Quebec - I don't know...they deleted it before I could view it. One refresh, and poof, the moderator side-swiped it. :)

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori Quebec Canada   September 7th, 2009 2:34 am ET

oh ok thanks Nicole S. - North Carolina


Toni   September 7th, 2009 2:38 am ET

Hi all :D The blog is really long, so it will take me awhile to get back. Whats new in blog land?


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 2:39 am ET

You're welcome, Lori Quebec - for what it's worth.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 2:41 am ET

Hey Miss Toni! :)

Yes, the blog is long...also rather uneventful. How are you?

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Toni   September 7th, 2009 2:45 am ET

Told ya it takes awhile. maybe we should turn the labor day blog into a MJ blog. :) He did hard labor....right?


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 2:50 am ET

Toni - Yes, he did - girl, did he ever...that is an understatement. :(

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori   September 7th, 2009 2:54 am ET

I am still here too

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Toni   September 7th, 2009 2:57 am ET

I think Lori fell asleep at the computer again.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 2:58 am ET

Toni, how's the weather up your way?

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Toni   September 7th, 2009 3:20 am ET

I think we need to move to the labor blg and talk about the blood, sweat and tears Michael went through.


mytake   September 7th, 2009 3:27 am ET

Hello everyone, that's still here.


Heidi   September 7th, 2009 3:29 am ET

Hi mytake how are you?


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 3:30 am ET

Hi mytake. :)

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori   September 7th, 2009 3:32 am ET

I am still here, It is just an ugly rumor that I fell asleep at the keyboard. LOL

Hi mytake, how are you doing –

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


mytake   September 7th, 2009 3:33 am ET

Oh, hey. So it's 2:32am here and nobody is asleep on this blog? haha


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 3:34 am ET

Just a rumor, huh Lori? LOL...

...yeah, tell us anything. :)

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 3:36 am ET

mytake - I am wide awake, believe it or not. LOL....

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


mytake   September 7th, 2009 3:40 am ET

You know what, I just posted a message and the moderators didn't even post it.

I was telling you guys about another post from another blog.

I guess they didn't like that I copied and pasted what I type over there.

Also, it is taking a long time for my post to be added after I click the submit comment button.

WOW! CNN must be upset with me. haha


Lori   September 7th, 2009 3:43 am ET

@Mytake, yes it is true that the bloggy is being all weirdy tonight.
They are deleting links like crazy. Maybe we should all move to the Labor Day blog– it is shorter.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


mytake   September 7th, 2009 3:43 am ET

What's up heidi and lori?

Nicole S., I saw on this blog that you asked CNN to remove Mrs. Jackson's address from the blog.

They didn't remove though.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 3:44 am ET

LOL mytake...try to post it, or e-mail it to me if you can.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


mytake   September 7th, 2009 3:45 am ET

Are we going there to the other blog then?


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 3:46 am ET

mytake - Yes, I did. I thought that was very tacky and an invasion of her privacy. Amazing that they didn't delete it, but will get rid of less threatening items.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Heidi   September 7th, 2009 3:46 am ET

It is time for me to go night night…Sleep well everyone.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 3:47 am ET

I'm game for whatever you all want to do.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


mytake   September 7th, 2009 3:48 am ET

Nicole S., check out the Janet Tweet Farewell blog at the bottom of the page. It was the last two posts when I left there.

I answered the post above mine.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 3:48 am ET

Good night, Heidi.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 3:49 am ET

mytake - Ok, I will check it now.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Lori   September 7th, 2009 3:50 am ET

Lets go to the labor day blog – this page is taking forever to refresh


mytake   September 7th, 2009 3:51 am ET

G'nite Heidi.

So, after we all say YES, then I guess it's a GO. haha

Pick the blog...


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 3:52 am ET

mytake - Your post was on point! Good for you!!

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


mytake   September 7th, 2009 3:52 am ET

YES for me.


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 3:53 am ET

YES, the labor day blog works for me.

THROW ‘EM IN THE CAN FOR DIPRIVAN!


Nicole S. -- North Carolina   September 7th, 2009 3:55 am ET

mytake, let's go to the other blog.


Alicia from Hawaii   September 7th, 2009 4:18 am ET

It bothers me that Jermaine and Larry want to make the beneficiaries of the Tribute their own charities. One even called the Larry King Cardiac Foundation. If it is done in Michael's honor, shouldn't it go to charities he liked, and possibly to reinstate his Heal The World Foundation to be one of his beneficiaries? I also heard or read somewhere that Larry's cardiac foundation has a bad record of giving more $ to administration than to the actual needs of the charity's population.

I guess it's good to give to any charity, but check them out first, like Michael did, and make sure they are about issues that were important to Michael. Just my humble opinion (JMHO) : )


Alicia from Hawaii   September 7th, 2009 4:19 am ET

Patty Anderson, if I lived out there, I might think about this more seriously, the fans buying Neverland and making it what the fans want and what Michael loved.
Oh, to dream.


Stu   September 7th, 2009 4:22 am ET

Lori-Lori,you never sleap at night! :)


Stu   September 7th, 2009 4:24 am ET

I just jumped here agin,i have to drive my husband to work,and whenn i will be back,nobody will be here :(Its alot,that you guys wright at night.Was any new good info from somebody?


Mila   September 7th, 2009 4:42 am ET

Hi everyone

I saw that you guys have been talking about Illuminati earlier and I thought I'll tell you this:
There was a different conspiracy theory involving Illuminati on the first version of the MJ hoax death web site – it got deleted when this site was first shut down on multiple request by MJ fans (the website even apologized to the fans).
So back to Illuminati – the article was claiming that they were the ones who staged MJ's death. They got some Romanian guy who was terminally ill and was involved in some dark affairs – they even had a name for the guy (some Dmitri) – and over 3 years of plastic surgery and training they got him to look like MJ. According to the article that was the guy who died on 25th. They also had a whole bunch of other stuff about how MJ squeezed out some important secrets from them and had them in his hand or something like that :-)

A whole bunch of nonsense according to me but just wanted to let you know there were other conspiracy theories too.


MISS S.KATHLEEN JACKSON   September 7th, 2009 5:30 am ET

DEAR MR LARRY KING
I CAN'T BEILIEVE MICHAEL JACKSON HAS GONE,FROM THIS EARTH, I WILL MISS HIS LAUGHTER,SMILE AND HOW HE ALWAY MADE ME LAUGH AND GET UP AND SING AND DANCES TO HIS MUSIC, AS PEOPLE AROUND THE WORLD WILL MISS HIM VERY MUCH,BUT WE NEVER FORGET HIS MUSIC AND CARING,LOVING NATURE AND GIVEING TO OTHER THAT NEED IT, IN MY HEART MICHAEL JACKSON WILL AWAYS BE REMEMBED WHO HE REALLY WAS AS A HUMAN BEING TRYING TO LIVE HIS LIFE BUT GOT TAKEN AWAY FROM AN EARLEY AGE, MY HEART GO'S OUT TO HIS FAMILY AS WELL AS HIS THREE CHILDEN,PRINCE ONE,PARIS,BLANKET MICHAELJACKSON SECOND, SHOULD HAVE NEVER LOST THIER FATHER; THIER SHOULD BE JUSTIES AND PART OF ME GLAD HE AT PEACES IN HEAVAN NOW AND THE OTHER PART WISH HE WAS STILL ALIVE, IT WAS SHOCKING AND COULD'NT BEILIEVE HE GONE, WHEN HE PASS AWAY FROM THIS EARTH ON THE 25TH JUNE 2009 AND STILL NOW TO THIS DAY, I CAN'T BEILIEVE HE NOT AROUND ANYMORE AND STILL HURTS;I'VE LOST LOVE ONES MYSELF SO I KNOW WHAT IT FEELS LIKE AND THIS IS TRUE MT FATHER WAS ALSO CALLED MICHAEL JACKSON AND HIS PARENTS NAME ARE KATHRINE JACKSON(MY GRANDMA),JOE JACKSON(MY GRANDAD), IT'S NO LIE IT TRUE.


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 7:40 am ET

Brian Oxman was kicked out by Tom Meserau in the Arzivo trial. Aphrodite Jones writes about in her book. His contribution to the case was of no value.


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 8:00 am ET

Tohme Tohme and Randy Phillips related by marriage according to Susan Etok on her own blog.

According to records from ancestry.com – the world’s largest family history website – Dr Tohme and AEG Live bos Randy Phillips were related by marriage back in the 1970’s.

Dr Tohme Ramez Tohme (d.o.b. 1949) married Janet Phillips (d.o.b. 1953) on 29th January 1972 in Sacremento, California. The pair subsequently divorced in May 1976 in Sacremento, California.

Marriage – State file: 7307; Reg no: 289

Divorce – State file: 664652; Dissolution case no: 716055

It has been confirmed by an insider that Dr Janet Phillips, now a Clinical Psychologist working at a practice in Torrance, is indeed Randy Phillips’s sister.

Does this provide a link between the “mysterious” Dr Tohme and AEG Live boss Randy Phillips? Did AEG live play any part in manipulating and isolating MJ? Was Dr Tohme on AEG lives payroll? The plot thickens…….


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 8:43 am ET

Anne

That is correct he had "no way out" ...AEG had so much invested in MJ.......and I dont believe for one moment that Ortega and pals did not see MJ losing weight as he was and not questioning the reason for it......did they not talk to the "supposed" DR. Murray about it! No "red lights" went off about this? Strange!

MJ probably knew he was over his head....anxieties set in, insomnia...hence the medications......just too much for him......Dr. Murray didnt know how to handle him all he saw was $$$$$....always comes down to money!

The investigation could take a long while....they have a lot to go through......but I hope to hear some news soon! I'm on pins and needles.


Gerald Jolly   September 7th, 2009 8:46 am ET

Message for Susan 6209.

I think, that if they elect to trial by judge only the trial will go much faster.
The reason is that there will be no need for the time it takes for "JURY SELECTION" and with a jury, the defense would try every ploy they can think of to sway the jury in their favor, and that would not work with a judge, who will adjudicate strictly on the rule of law.

The other reason that I am convinced a jury trial will not happen, is that undoubtedly the D.A. would not have much trouble finding M.J. fans, and the defense lawyers would challenge every juror the D.A. would present.

Hope this helps you get a better understanding of the process.


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 8:49 am ET

morning


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 8:49 am ET

Lora, add up the Phillips-Tohme connection.

I really have the feeling in the end Michael did not know any longer who was who and why. I get more and more the feeling he was manipulated. Murray was wrong and needs to prosecuted, but I had real problems seeing Phillips at the funeral. I am afraid he and those other people will get away with it.


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 8:52 am ET

El

I couldn't believe it when I saw Rany Phillips at the funeral–I was really shocked


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 8:54 am ET

Eli

I think they purposely kept Michael drugged up......Murray was in on it!

Now we have al read the Murray is on the brink of bankruptcy and about to lose his house.......if he doesnt lose his house.....where did he get the money from to pay for it.....was he paid off big time! I hope they keep a keen eye on his finances in the U.S. and off shore!!!


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 8:55 am ET

Anne

It was Michael Jackson. The world’s bestselling male pop artist was hunkered down with his three children in a dumpy housing compound in an older section of town.

Do you believe MJ was living in a dumpy housing compound? when he had the Encino home to go to? I dont see that!

His backers envision the shows at AEG’s O2 as an audition for a career rebirth that could ultimately encompass a three-year world tour, a new album, movies, a Graceland-like museum, musical revues in Las Vegas and Macau, and even a “Thriller” casino. Such a rebound could wipe out Jackson’s massive debt.

In 2005 youtube video of MJ called MJ 45th birthday bash…MJ said on that video that he had plans for Neverland to make it more accessible to the public….hence Graceland-like museum! He was still very much attached to Neverland!!!


Allure   September 7th, 2009 9:12 am ET

Hi Linda


Gerald Jolly   September 7th, 2009 9:30 am ET

Lora/Ottawa.
I never thought about it, until I read your blog, on the incredible amount of concerts the promoters had signed him up for.

The point is this. "WAS AEG COMPLICIT IN A PLAN TO OFF MICHEAL"??

It was AEG that reportedly arranged for Dr. Death to care for Micheal, I'm sure AEG must have known that in the condition he was in Micheal could have neverdone 50 concerts.

In big deals like this, companies like AEG would most certainly require insurance coverage to protect their investments in the event that the performer could not complete his end of the bargain.

One sure way of being able to claim against their perspective financial losses would be if the performer was unable to honor his end of the contract.

"FAIT- A – COMPLIS"


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 9:43 am ET

GJ

I know, he was 50 not 25 years old.....how the hell could he pull that off!....not to mention a world tour, Las Vegas act, a new album and on an on. MJ said in interviews that he hated touring....not the fans....but the hecting scheduling....and that it would kill him! Well it killed him before even starting.....that's how much all of this bothered him!

I really do believe that MJ only agreed to 10 shows at beginning and it snowballed from there....these music execs know how to manipulate people that I am sure of!

As mentioned before "Micheal is worth more dead than alive" breaks my heart!


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 10:01 am ET

@Lora,

In the first week after Michael's death, it came up in Larry's show that Janet visited Michael in Vegas in 2007. She was shocked by what she found, the house was nearly empty, Michael slept on the floor, there were only beds for the kids. She rang 2 of her brothers who happen to visit Joe and the 3 of them wanted to go back and intervene. But they were stopped by M's security people.

This story keeps going on in my mind, so I just googled it and found this story (below). I know the family now denies they attempted to intervene, but I am not sure if I should believe that.

From the Rolling Stone:

Janet Jackson reportedly attempted to set up an intervention in 2007 to confront Michael Jackson about his addiction to painkillers, a pair of sources told CNN. According to the report, Janet recruited her brothers to help stage the intervention, however Michael told his bodyguards to prevent his family from entering his property and refused to accept phone calls from his mother Katherine, CNN reports.

Following the sudden death of Michael Jackson, the singer’s use of medications has come under the microscope, with many doctors who were associated with Jackson being questioned by investigators to determine if drugs played any role in the superstar’s unexpected cardiac arrest. Jackson’s toxicology report has not yet been revealed. The Jackson family reportedly long suspected Michael was abusing prescription drugs, but Michael would not discuss the matter. “If you tried to deal with him, he would shut you out. You just wouldn’t hear from him for long periods,” a source told CNN.

People previously reported that the intervention nearly happened in Las Vegas around 2006, with Jackson’s siblings Randy, Jackie and Rebbie — with sister Janet on the phone — questioning Michael about his perceived misuse of prescription drugs. However, “Michael got pissed off. He said he wasn’t on drugs. But they didn’t believe him,” a family insider told People.

Dr. Arnold Klein, Jackson’s dermatologist and the rumored biological father of Jackson’s two oldest children, told Larry King Live that he too had concerns about Jackson’s medication use, especially the prescription drug Diprivan. “I knew at one point that he was using Diprivan when he was on tour in Germany,” Klein said. “He was using it to go to sleep at night. I told him he was absolutely insane. I said, ‘You have to quit it. This drug, you can’t repeatedly take.’ ” However, Klein added that to his knowledge, Jackson had stopped taking drugs outside of the dosages Klein prescribed to Jackson after unspecified surgeries.


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 10:08 am ET

It was Miko on LKL who spoke about it, I have seen the show myself.

Intervention
In Celebs by SplashNews , on Friday, July 10, 2009, 6:41 AM (PDT)

Courtesy of SplashNews.com.

A close friend of Michael Jackson said he was aware the family attempted an intervention at the singer's home just months before his death. Janet Jackson is said to have been shocked at her brother’s state after visiting his Las Vegas mansion at the beginning of the year.

According to reports she thought he was looking emaciated and found the barely-furnished home 'creepy'. She is said to have called on two of the Jackson brothers to come and convince him to get help for a drug problem. However, Jackson is said to have ordered his security to turn them away at the gates and the intervention never happened. Now Jackson’s close friend Miko Brando seems to have confirmed the story, telling CNN: "I heard about it. But I wasn’t there." But Miko, the son of screen legend Marlon Brando, said Jackson was not unusually thin, adding: "Michael has always been thin. He has never been overweight. He always looked the same." Miko then rejected rumours he may be the real father of Prince Michael II, also known as Blanket. “Absolutely not,” he said. Asked if he believed Michael Jackson was the real father, he nodded before hitting out at speculations over Jackson’s drug abuse and death. “It hurts me. It’s ridiculous,” Brando said. “He is not here to defend himself. Once the coroner’s report comes out it will answer all these questions, for now we are just speculating. "Michael was just a wonderful, honest, nice friend, always there when you needed it.”


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 10:08 am ET

Eli

Why wouldnt he have furniture....Neverland ranch house had lots of furniture in it he could have taken it out of storage!!! Hard to believe.

As to the intervention....Jermaine said it never happened others say it did.....God knows!


Samantha - South Africa   September 7th, 2009 10:14 am ET

@ Lora

With regards to the intervention,apparently all of the Jackson siblings excluding Jermaine went to Neverland to confront Michael about his problem but he had denied everything and also its is alleged that it was Grace who let the family know about Michael's use of prescription meds.

If Jermaine denied this ever happened then I don't know what to believe!


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 10:16 am ET

Its not a wonder Janet looked so devastated at the burial!!!


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 10:22 am ET

Lora, I don't believe MJ's family members who say they did not know something. They just don't want to admit it in public. That's their right, so no problem with that. The fans however can see through this. Not only the direct family and friends but also others knew about it.

Geller, Chopra and others, as questionable their coming outs are, I do believe them when they say this problem has been going on and off for more than a decade and more than one interventions were made. Some of them worked (as with Elizabeth Taylor's in 1993 during the Dangerous tour), others not.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 10:36 am ET

Good Morning everyone.

I'm i my office today so I can actually visit from time to time today.
How is everyone?


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 10:41 am ET

@Patty, it sucks...


Judie   September 7th, 2009 10:42 am ET

morning all and Patty...............TMZ found Diana Ross @ Taco Bell going to her car when asked about MJ funeral........... no comment not a single word got in the car & left.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 10:51 am ET

I don't know what to think about all this. Don't you think if he was that bad off and something was going on, someone could could've forced getting to Michael? They could have gotten the police involved. Security would have to let them in.

I think in some ways people just wanted to turn the other cheek like they never knew

If you really truely want to help someone, you don't give up, you keep trying.

It's heartbreaking how you see all these people that were around Michael and no one really in their hearts cared enough about Michael as a human being except a couple. Janet should have kept trying.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 10:53 am ET

Judie what the Hell is up with that? And Michael trusted her enough to put her in his will for his children??????

Does that mean she knew what was going on??


Samantha - South Africa   September 7th, 2009 10:56 am ET

@ Judie

I initially thought Diana was out of the country only to now find that she visited Taco Bell.She did send a message to the family that was read out at Staples Center but I took it that she wanted to mourn in private but to not attend Michael's interment really makes me wonder as to whether Diana thought of Michael the same way he did about her coz he adored her and always spoke very highly about her,wonder if the same thing can be said for Diana!


Judie   September 7th, 2009 10:58 am ET

@Patty,
I don't know what that means but she should of at least left a statement w/the press as Liz did for the Staple Center. Last night everyone was posting all the DR & MJ how they loved each other.Aparently it was just one sided.


Judie   September 7th, 2009 11:01 am ET

Taco Bell must be more important than a statement!


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 11:01 am ET

Sure seems one sided to me.


Samantha - South Africa   September 7th, 2009 11:02 am ET

Guys

Out of curiosity,don't you wonder as to where those pics of Michael and his children came from which were released after his death?I have utter disregard for whoever it is that sold those pictures because it is just disrespectful to see these kids on the cover of magazines with the heading entitled "Never seen before pics",this just sickens me knowing that Michael tried to protect his children all these years and to now have this happen!!!


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 11:07 am ET

Very good point Samantha. I sure hope it wasn't a family member.

Michael would never had allowed his children on the cover of any magazine newspaper or whatever. He did not want those children to be exploited!!!


Judie   September 7th, 2009 11:10 am ET

Samantha – South Africa I wondered that myself. Don't u realize they all came out because $$$$$$$$$$$$$ even the kids Godfather released home movies of MJ and the kids....... Why not release the movies during his trial to let eveyone know what a good father he was then......Not after he is gone.

This is what pisses me off everyone loved him and had alot of good things to say about him after he was gone.
Why didn't they help him while he was alive????


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 11:11 am ET

Exactly Judie!!!!


Samantha - South Africa   September 7th, 2009 11:18 am ET

@ Judie

Which godfather released the home movies?Was it Al Malnik?


Judie   September 7th, 2009 11:20 am ET

Samantha

I beleive so I think it was on Good Morning America. I read so much & watch so much.


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 11:21 am ET

Maybe Diana was unpleasantly surprised Michael put her in his will regarding the kids. Maybe he did that without prior consultation.


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 11:26 am ET

So Diana was in L.A. was she at the burial? They didnt show her but yet again they did not show Lisa Marie Presley either!


Cali MJ Fan   September 7th, 2009 11:27 am ET

Have you considered embedding a chatroom into your website?

Search "embed live chatroom in website" and there are tons of free links.

Just a suggestion.


Judie   September 7th, 2009 11:30 am ET

Lora Ottawa Canada NO she was a no-show she never even posted a statement....that's gonna hurt her somewhere down the line.


TKA   September 7th, 2009 11:30 am ET

Google La Kosher Nostra.


maryg   September 7th, 2009 11:31 am ET

Samantha:

Malnik put some pictures out there of michael and the kids,, including a video of michael playing with water ballons with the children. He said that he wanted people to know what a wonderful father michael was. Then Lester came out with other pictures and kept giving interviews to OK magazine. I am guilty of reading it at the supermarket. This Lester really bugs me. Imagine coming out to the world's media that he MAY be Paris's father. Questioning this child's paternity at the time where she is mourning the only parent she ever knew. What was the purpose of putting doubt and questions in the public;s mind so that Paris will have to one day deal with it. However forgiving Michael may have been, I think he would have been seriously p-ssed.


Samantha - South Africa   September 7th, 2009 11:31 am ET

@ Eli

But that doesn't excuse why Diana didn't pitch up at the interment yet her ex-husband Berry Gordy was there.Sadly it seems like it took Michael to die in order to realize who his 'true' friends actually are!

@ Judie

The biggest 'hypocrites' are the ones from the music industry!They want to now do tributes and all that stuff but none of them stood up for Michael when he needed support the most.I think that had these celebs defended Michael during the allegations,it would've changed public opinion and people would've realized that Michael was not what the media made him out to be!!!!


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 11:44 am ET

Amen Samantha!!!!


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 11:47 am ET

Samantha, Berry Gordy and Diana were not married. Berry had an extramarital affair with her and according to Taraborelli Michael was very hurt by the fact Diana was hurt by the failure of this liason.

It beats me too why she was not at the funeral.


chris   September 7th, 2009 11:51 am ET

I don't think DR ever married BG but she had a kid by him. BG has come to the plate for Michael at both the memorial and funeral so I respect him for that.
Don't know if Al Malnik released the home videos but he strikes me as a shady character. It vaguely seems that I read an article that associates him with Sony.
Still convinced that the Sony music catalogue is in the middle of this tragedy.
Every time I read anything to do with the ATV/Sony music catalogue it mentions the Beatles' music. What about Michael's own music? Did he own it as a separate catalogue or was it part of the Sony catalogue? I can't seem to find clarification of this.


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 11:51 am ET

Well, after being caught at Taco Bell....of all places.....she might have to say something!!!! especially when video is out there for all to see!


Judie   September 7th, 2009 11:54 am ET

I know but when I leave Taco Bell I don't like the media asking me alot of questipns either........lol


Judie   September 7th, 2009 11:56 am ET

sorry questions the cat is sitting on the keyboard


Cocovelvet   September 7th, 2009 12:07 pm ET

Chris,

That fact with the beatles catalogue should undoubtedly raise more than enough eyebrows as you mention. I also at one point wondered alone why its always mentioned under the name of SONY even though MJ also had part ownership of that catalogue.......... is it a deliberate act to brainwash us into forgetting MJ as having a hand on that catalogue or just a mere reporting omission !!!!????.....


sherry   September 7th, 2009 12:11 pm ET

I do not like the idea that this guy bought this house,,,,,,,,,,,and will open it up on the anniversary of Michael's death,,,,morbid, and someone making money off Michael,,,


maryg   September 7th, 2009 12:14 pm ET

Chris,

Do you really think that sony had a hand in michael's death? Given that michael owns half the catalgue, would it not stand to reason that the estate would own that after mj's passing. How would sony get their hands on it without it going to trial. Wasn't Michael a cash cow for AEG, would they allow someone to hurt their money bags? Other than being a nuisance to sony, would it not be better to have him alive so all involved keep the cash flow?


maryg   September 7th, 2009 12:20 pm ET

In my humble opinion: I think everyone kept michael sedated to keep some kind of control over him. To make him happy and passive, they faciliated things for him with the only intention being to keep him working the money angle for them. Things went terribly wrong when a quack doctor did not know better and was completely and in my opinion criminally negligent. That is what is so sad. It could have been prevented. Now that he is gone, everyone continues to work the money angle.


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 12:21 pm ET

Cocovelvet

Dont worry, Branca knows exactly what Michael owns, since he is the one who brokered the Beatles deal!


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 12:24 pm ET

Maryg

My exact words that I posted this morning at 8:54 a.m. hope the LAPD are thinking on the same lines!


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   September 7th, 2009 12:28 pm ET

Please don't go believing in numerology and astrology, etc. as they belong to the occult. They are misleading and take you down a wrong path. How can numbers and the stars in the heavens control our destinies. Only Jehovah our Heavenly Father can do this. Just think on it.

Can see how one who is suffering with insomnia would want turn to this drug propofol. Insomnia is a horrible thing. As I was put out when I had a Caeserian Section and boy do you go out quick like a light, and after coming out of it just felt a bit groggy. There didn't seem to be any bad side-effects and the time it took to recover was very quick. The thing is not just anyone can have access to this drug normaly. The case with Michael Jackson seems far from the norm. Just don't know what to believe or make of it anymore.

I also take blood pressure medication and I tell you the side-effects are enough to put you off them. The cure seems worse than the disease. So all these medication things are a real worry.

Regarding the Lawyer, Brian Oxman's article which was quit enlightening, I couldn't quite make out what he meant by the last paragraph. The mention of SUPERNOVA.

I just looked up the word "supernova" in the dictionary and it explains that it is a star that suddenly increases very greatly in brightness because of explosion ejecting most of its mass.

I am trying to wrap my head round this last paragraph and find it quite intriguing. Maybe it is not a bad description.

All these conspiracy theories are beginning to sound darn scary to me. HELP!

Michael turned Neverland into quite a place mainly the outside, the main house seems to have been left in its original state. But I can't help but get the feeling that it could have been quite lonely there and I think he mentioned this himself in some article. I don't know.


Judie   September 7th, 2009 12:30 pm ET

They also need to hold all the people in MJ's house responsible too.
And my famous question where are the missing tapes? Wouldn't the security company have some kind of back-up system I'm sure that system was 1st.class.


maryg   September 7th, 2009 12:31 pm ET

Lora ottawa

I am sorry if I was repeating your words. I did not read all the entries. But I am glad someone agrees with me. I think people (AEG, Sony) have been greedy and irresponsible but Dr. Murray should go to prison. And I wish Karma for the others.


Bella   September 7th, 2009 12:33 pm ET

Any of you have any news about the investigation please share? Why are things so quiet? Why has it taken them so long to draw a conclusion while it seems only Conrad Murder is involved???


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 12:36 pm ET

@Jessie from NZ,

It breaks your heart knowing Michael often spent the night in the dark in his own park, being in the big wheel on his own, with the music loud I really don't want to think about it, it depresses me.

Are you a Jehova Witness?


maryg   September 7th, 2009 12:37 pm ET

Judie: The the LAPD did not secure the scene. Professionalism must have been out of style that dreadful day. People apparently came and went, the doctor disappeared, there was some reports that the family took things out of the house, so one can imagine the possibility that staff did too. But would they have tapes in the bedroom where it all happened? If yes, although I think it would be unlikely, the doctor would have thought to take it since he also thought to go missing for hours afterwards.


Judie   September 7th, 2009 12:42 pm ET

What part of arriving on the scene of Michael Jacksons home with a 911 call does not that send into top priority. Secure everything down.
LAPD what were u thinking.


Cali MJ Fan   September 7th, 2009 12:43 pm ET

@ Jessie from NZ:

RE: Your comment about Oxman's article and the supernova... Re-read the first few paragraphs in Oxman's article– he talks about the correlation between Michael and the Supernova parrallel in them.

I thought it was a fitting description– the Supernova part. His legend, legacy and the roads he paved for other musicians that came after him -they are the stars that come from him, the Supernova.

But the last paragraph talks about Michael's children and poses the question– will they be the true stars that come from the Supernova that was Michael. Only time will tell.


spirit   September 7th, 2009 12:54 pm ET

Eli, Jerusalem/Israel

Yea I watched that show too... that LKL one where Miko was invited and he talked about the intervention thing... I really loved the part when Miko was asked the question as to whether he was the father of Blanket and he brushed aside any stupid speculation by saying, "absolutely not"... & when he also said that "it hurts ... and don't call Michael an addict coz he is not here to defend himself... Its mere speculation..." Spoken like a true friend...
I wish some other so-called friends of Michael like Arnie Klein & Chopra should take a leaf out of Miko's book and at least respect the memory of their dead friend... provided they were his friends... Coz I'm having my doubts now coz friends don't insinuate things and fan the fire in the absence of their friends...which is what these ppl are doing...


spirit   September 7th, 2009 12:58 pm ET

Cali MJ Fan
From where can I read this Oxman’s article???


Cali MJ Fan   September 7th, 2009 12:58 pm ET

Spirit,

Huffington Post


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 1:01 pm ET

Balasubramaniam B, Park GR.
The John Farman Intensive Care Unit, Box 17, Addenbrookes NHS Trust, Hills Road, Cambridge, CB2 2QQ, UK.

Sexual hallucinations have been reported since the introduction of chloroform. Newer agents such as midazolam and propofol appear particularly prone to producing them. Some practitioners have been the victims of allegations resulting from the hallucinogenic effects of these drugs. Other individuals, including doctors, have used the amnesic effects of midazolam and other drugs to sexually assault victims. Clinicians should be aware of the risks to which they may inadvertently expose themselves if these drugs are not used carefully.

PMID: 12846619 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 1:05 pm ET

Spirit,

I think Michael had different friends for different reasons. Maybe Chopra was more of a counselor than a friend. This makes it even worse he speaks bout certain things,

The same with rabbi Shmuel Boteach, who is currently writing the book Into the soul of Michael Jackson, based on 50 hours tape conversations he says he has. he should be ashamed of himself!


spirit   September 7th, 2009 1:13 pm ET

Judie
I read your post only now... and I absolutely agree with you that why have these people released Michael's home videos with his kids now that he is gone... Why not release the videos when he was passing through hell during that trial... It would have countered all those false allegations and that media onslaught on him...
& Yes it hurts and makes one furious that all these friends are now coming up with stuff like how good Michael was as a friend, how great he was as a dad... They could have rallied round him when the trial was going on and showed their undying support to him...Then it wouldn't have caused Michael all the heartache that he had to go through all on his own...


maryg   September 7th, 2009 1:18 pm ET

Propofol produces sexual hallucinations! Wait till the tabloids get a hold of this information. They will say Michael took it for sexual issues as opposed to sleep. Oh boy......


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 1:18 pm ET

Eli

All so called friends and counselors are cashing in.....not surprised!!!


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 1:21 pm ET

Spirit

What videos are you guys talking about? Are they on Youtube?


spirit   September 7th, 2009 1:21 pm ET

Eli, Jerusalem/Israel

Yea Michael had different friends for different reasons & perhaps for some of them the only reason was his fame & money... & if chopra was more of a councellor than at least he should stop calling himself, Michael's "close friend"... I hav an objection to the use of this phrase "close friend" esp by people who don't know what it means to be friends... & wow at Shmuel Boteach! so he too thinks he should cash in on Michael now...
I wonder where were all these guys when Michael was forced to live the life of a nomad coz of his disilluionment after the trial... They didn't see the soul of Michael then???
Yea you said it rightly: shame on them!


Judie   September 7th, 2009 1:28 pm ET

Have faith the bloggers will crack this case......We will get Justice for Michael... and his children will lead us through it.


Maria   September 7th, 2009 1:28 pm ET

Eli – Re propofol: see also my post above (September 6th, 2009 2:42 pm ET). If you explore the link, there are enough interesting facts about propofol.


spirit   September 7th, 2009 1:29 pm ET

Lora Ottawa Canada
we are talking about Michael's home videos with his children that were released after his death on youtube... & so many pics of his children under the caption Never Before Seen Images etc... They were released to show how great a dad Michael was... We are just saying that this could have been highlighted when the trial was going on in order to support Michael and counter all that negative press which was accusing Michael of God knows what!
Had these friends of Michael been sincere to him (those who are releasing his pics & videos with his children now) they would have shown their support to him then by saying what a great dad & friend Michael was...


Tina (Germany)   September 7th, 2009 1:33 pm ET

maryq, hallucinations don't need to be good, I guess you cannot control them. So I doubt really someone would take that only to have a 3 meter 500 kg old naked lady chasing you.


spirit   September 7th, 2009 1:33 pm ET

Judie
We will get justice for Michael, God willing! & soon...
We owe this to him...

Cali MJ Fan
Thnx... I'll check that out...


Mara   September 7th, 2009 1:36 pm ET

spirit

I think Miko is a wonderful friend and person and we heard it first hand. Friends don't throw friends in the fire they protect them by any means necessary. Unlike that cross eyed Chopra.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 1:38 pm ET

Cali MJ Fan

Are you still here?


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 1:40 pm ET

Very well said Mara


Cali MJ Fan   September 7th, 2009 1:42 pm ET

yes Mara.


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 1:42 pm ET

Mara,

Miko said many times he did not know about Michael's medication problems. I don't believe him.


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 1:44 pm ET

Maria, I saw it yes.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 1:45 pm ET

Cali MJ Fan

Did you see what you posted on the Labor Day blog? I'm confused,


spirit   September 7th, 2009 1:45 pm ET

Mara
Yeah & then these so-called friends have the audacity to call themselves "close friends" of Michael... No soul searching!!!


spirit   September 7th, 2009 1:49 pm ET

Why is there so much silence on the investigation front??? Any one who knows what has happened recently??? What is LAPD upto?


maryg   September 7th, 2009 1:50 pm ET

Tina:

LOL! That would be one scary hallucination.....but in in the hands of the Enquirer...it will be anyone's guess!LOL.

There is very few new details about the investigation. Hope no one is dropping the ball on this.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 1:52 pm ET

Eli, Jerusalem/Israel

Maybe he felt it was none of our business. Like everyone has a right, he can tell us what he wants us to know and hold back what he thinks is none of our business.

Crazy Martin Bashir did it. Thank god for Maury Povich setting that straight.


Cali MJ Fan   September 7th, 2009 1:52 pm ET

Yes Mara. I wrote it and submitted it, one would assume I saw it.


Maria   September 7th, 2009 1:58 pm ET

I don't believe Miko either. I think anybody who tells now that he or she didn't know anything and that MJ was feeling great and looked healthy until his last day either lies or in fact they weren't in fact that close to MJ as they say. Saying now that he was perfectly healthy doesn't mean "protecting" him – it means only protecting themselves from other questions regarding their own indifference.


chris   September 7th, 2009 1:58 pm ET

@cocovelvet
It's interesting that you mention the Beatles' music always being mentioned as Sony – I never thought of that.
@maryg
Things continue to be so confusing. I don't know if Sony was somehow involved in MJ's death but there's so much stuff that makes me wonder.
There's a tremendous amount of money at stake. Record companies know that the money comes from owning copyrights. . Also they know from the death of Elvis and John Lennon that music really sells afterwards.
I'm just wondering if Sony had any responsibility trying to put Michael in debt so that he would be forced to sell his half. Someone in one of the blogs a while back mentioned Sony might have been backers of that evil family in the trial. You know, pay them off so that Michael's career and then finances were ruined.
I'm not sure what to think of AEG, but I was stunned to find out that that slimy Tohme was R.Phillips' ex-brother-in-law.
The slimy, immoral schemes we hear about Wall Street leads me to think that record companies are no better. Michael did not hide his opinions of record companies.
I just don't think it's beyond the realm of possibility that Sony could have been trying to ruin Michael / his estate so that he/or the estate would cough up their half of the catalogue.


Honorine   September 7th, 2009 1:59 pm ET

Ever since MJ died, the main thing that seems to circulate in their minds is, "how can i use my friend, my best friend, my this and that(Mj in this case) to make money? That's all they've been working on.

But i believe on the other side of the coin, they keep MJ's name alive even though they make money out of it.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 2:02 pm ET

MJ Cali Fan

Okay, thanks for clarifying that.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 2:04 pm ET

Larry will you please give us a new blog this one is slowing my computer down.


Cocovelvet   September 7th, 2009 2:08 pm ET

HI EVERYONE,

TINA, MARYG AND ELI........ I have just laughed out my lungs when I read your discussions on sexual hallucination....... By the way Eli, how on earth did you come across such a report :) :) :). The funniest is from TINA about the 500 kg lady chaser.... :) :)

ELI,

how did you arrive at asking Maryg if she is a Jehovah's Witness........ you really made my day !!!! So funny I have to say :) :)


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 2:09 pm ET

Spirit,

Have you noticed Michael was completelt relaxed during his Bad tour. It all changed around the time of the Dangerous tour, the times of Jordie Chandler.


maryg   September 7th, 2009 2:10 pm ET

Maria: That may be the case..people wanting to protecting themselves. But what would be the purpose now to come out and talk about MJ's problems when the man is no longer here to defend himself. In my opinion, Miko is trying to keep the memory of his friend untarnished...unlike so many "other close friends" who have done michael a dis-service by coming out and creating more chaos. Chopa, Etok and the likes come out and talk about MJ's addiction but why were they not talking about it to the right people ( not necessarily the press) BEFORE the man died. Now, they are pretending to have this 'inside' information that does not nothing for us now that our icon is gone. Just gives them their 15 minutes of fame. Just my two cents.


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 2:11 pm ET

Cocovelvet,

I asked Jessica from NZ, not Maryg! She mentioned the term "Jehova God" in her post.

About the sexual hallucination, it came up on the other blog and circulates on other websites as well.


Anne   September 7th, 2009 2:13 pm ET

Poster earlier on Huffington Post by me.

"In 2001 Michael Jackson said he could not do any more world tours because it would kill him because while touring he could not sleep, eat or drink. He was right. His weight dropped to approximately 110 pounds and he needed meds to sleep. He only took the propofol because he was working on the concerts. He would not have taken it otherwise. He knew it was the only way he could do it. I think AEG also knew because he asked them to hire Dr. Murray. If it was not for the "This Is It" concert, he would still be alive because he never would have used the propofol. He was backed into a corner because of money he had already taken in advance from AEG. He had no way out. He died creating the most spectacular concert he could imagine. He was a superstar but not superhuman."

MJ knew his international fans loved him. Only 38% of the people in the US thought the verdict was correct according to a survery. The media convicted him and brainwashed the public who were on a pedophile witch hunt at the time.


maryg   September 7th, 2009 2:15 pm ET

chris; I understand better what you were trying to say. I agree that Sony could probably cause financial problems for michael so that he would be forced to sell his portion of the catalogue. But as far as being compliant in a murder...I have doubts. But sometimes truth can be stranger than fiction.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 2:18 pm ET

Anne that is why I am hoping Katherine will be able to have a wrongful death suit against them.... AEG knew he wouldn't be able to carry that load but they pushed anyway and even took out insurance with a drug overdose clause in it so they were covered incase anything did happen.

Now why take insurance like that???????


maryg   September 7th, 2009 2:18 pm ET

Coco: I almost choked with the imagery that Tina provided. Can you imagine...If I had one of those hullucinations,.I would stop the damn propofol immediately!!!!!LOL


spirit   September 7th, 2009 2:22 pm ET

Eli, Jerusalem/Israel

Yeah it all changed around that Dangerous tour... Perhaps by that people started becoming jealous of the decade long mega stardom of Michael so they thought of ways & means of bringing him down... & yes Michael was badly affected coz of all that... It really hurts me when he cuts short his Dangerous World Tour and issues a video-recorded msg from Neverland Valley pleading for his innocence and asking people not to believe all that trash... His expressions say it all... He looks hurt... A sensitive & loving soul that he was... It must have hung heavy on his soul...
& then it continued... the rumours, the insinuations, the false allegations... never letting him at rest... So much so that he had to SCREAM: "Stop Pressuring Me"... But sadly! that pressure never left him... No wonder he was suffering from this terrible insomnia... My heart goes out to him when I think of all that...

Moreover even in this 2006 MTV Japan Awards video, I feel a kind of pain in Michael's voice when he thanks all of his fans and his children...
He looks so beautiful...
WE LOVE YOU MICHAEL... from the bottom of our hearts!


Tina (Germany)   September 7th, 2009 2:23 pm ET

@ Coco, when I read that about the halluncinations, the first thing that came into my mind wasn't something nice, it was exactly that pictures and I started to laugh. Good to laugh a bit.


Cocovelvet   September 7th, 2009 2:27 pm ET

CHRIS AND MARYG,

......not to forget that statement which MJ made stating that SONY lied and that MOTTOLA IS A "very, very evil man". It also keeps bothering me why MJ had to make such strong accusations towards SONY and its boss Mottola. Ofcourse, there is that issue which was mentioned that when MJ told Mottola that he wouldn't be renewing his contract with SONY at the end of the current one that time, I think Mottola didn't just take that very lightly.

It was further reported that unfortunate for MJ, he made those statements just before the release of his invincible album, which then gave SONY the opportunity to boycott all his invinsible release attempts as they in turn opted not to run adverts and videos for the album, ending in that catastrophy of the invincible not selling adequately but what if there is more to it than just that hide-and-seek game !!!????....... I WONDER GREATLY ....


maryg   September 7th, 2009 2:27 pm ET

Anne: I tend to agree with you about Michael not necessarily being a long time addict. Several people have now been quoted as saying that Michael hating touring because it supposedly "killed" him. I will look for a link for you. I am speculating because I have no way of knowing the truth, but he must have had a lot of anxiety about going on tour after such a long hiatus and so much depending on him. He might have worried that if he did not top his previous shows, his legacy would be at stake. Again, I do not know that but it seems plausible. So, he can't sleep and asks for help, AEG wanting a return on their investment, hire that idiot doctor and we know the rest. It is also possible that he had used propofol and anti-anxiety medication in the past. Imagine being an innocent man and going through that trial? How does one go to sleep at night knowing that when they wake up they will have to face slander that places their very life on the line. So, this propofol and medication thing could have been there as a result of troubled times and/or came up as a result of these shows.


Cali MJ Fan   September 7th, 2009 2:28 pm ET

There are over 600 posts here.

When you do a "Find" search, my sign on appears 13 times. I have posted a comment on the topic article itself, a repost that was worthy of people discussing (Sunset in the Pacific),a repost of AP article about the topic article, a comment about another article (Oxman), a question if you all had thought of embedding a chatroom into your own MJ sites, (for total of 5) and repsonses to comments directed to me (total of 3). and the other 5 have my name in them.

I would encourage you to do a "Find" on your own name to see how many times it appears. 95% of the conversation here honestly has nothing to do with the article– or anything newsworthy, for that matter.

You're right, my comments about Oxman's article don't belong here.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 2:33 pm ET

maryg

I think you will be able to find on you tube Michael saying it himself that he does not like to tour. I believe someone may have posted it here back in June or July.


Cocovelvet   September 7th, 2009 2:36 pm ET

Eli,

Sorry.... yes you were asking Jessica not Maryg. Which blog is that where this report about sexual hallucination is ???...wanna enlighten myself on that one, ready that if I happen to get a surgery, I would tell my doctor " oohhh no!! not with propofol please"....... :)


spirit   September 7th, 2009 2:39 pm ET

Anne
Isn't it tragic that only 38% of the people in the US thought the verdict was correct according to a survery... I still don't understand how could the negative press brainwash the American public to this extent??? We his fans living outside the US never believed a word of all that pedophile trash... Ho come most of the Americans were ensnared by that negative propaganda by certain people & the media??? That is still a mystery to me... I understand that media affects peoples' lives but for Heaven's sake, you have the whole life of the person in front of you... How could you even think that MJ could do it... I really find it terribly tragic & I think even Michael was badly hurt coz of that... thats why he opted for the life of a nomad when he found that his own people didn't believe in him...
Michael belonged to the world & the world embraced him...


sarah   September 7th, 2009 2:39 pm ET

hi every1

any new news of the investigation/arrest ???/
BTW LARRY we need a new Blog of MJ......

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!!PEACE!!!!


spirit   September 7th, 2009 2:44 pm ET

maryg
You understood it all right... He was innocent & he had to go through so much... all that blame & negativity... & then people ask why did he have insomnia???


spirit   September 7th, 2009 2:47 pm ET

sarah
we definitely need a new blog on MJ now... & no new news as far as I know...


chris   September 7th, 2009 2:50 pm ET

Cocovelvet,
Right! It would take an awful lot for Michael to refer to Mottola as a very evil man. Michael always made it a point to be unfailingly respectful towards others.
The fact that Sony lost money by refusing to market Invincible might mean that they saw the bigger picture.(Let's ruin his reputation to ruin his finances.)
Again I'm starting to think that it would be so easy to make molestation accusations against someone who loved children, who was trusting to a fault, had prior accusations and was PERCEIVED to never have been in a real marriage. Easy peasy for either a grifter family or someone who backed the grifter family.
I don't know – maybe i'm way off but the circumstances around Michael's tragedy get stranger by the minute. I don't think anyone would argue about that. LMP's opinion would be interesting re Sony.

Anne & Maryg
I agree that MJ probably was not a longtime addict.
I'm still not clear how he could be OKed by a doctor after supposedly a 4hr? exam.


maryg   September 7th, 2009 2:51 pm ET

Spirit; Oh they don't even talk about the insomia, they talk about the "addiction" which we have yet to understand the extend of it. Do you hear his so called friends: he was an addict, kept medication in his bathroom, begged doctors....but even if that were true..No one is asking why? Why did he need meds for anxiety and sleep, when did it happen, if he begged the doctors was he really begging for propofol or was he begging for help? Makes me angry...sorry....as you can tell I have been rambling today.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 2:52 pm ET

I hate that word "addict" when referring to Michael.


maryg   September 7th, 2009 2:56 pm ET

Coco: This may be off topic, but Mariah Carey was married to Mottola and after the divorce she looked scared to me. Remember how she was hospitalized and there were rumours of a possible suicide attempt, etc. And her career faltered for a while after that. She left the lable and she has had to struggle to come back. I remember at the time thinking, oh that husband of hers looks scary. I just find it ironic how his name comes up in the destruction of careers and people.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 2:56 pm ET

Patty

When you get a chance will you please check your FB message? Thank you.


Judie   September 7th, 2009 3:02 pm ET

Hi all, do not go to the above post from Eli it's just a picture that MJ drew to stop thr war in 1971 if u buy the Opus book u will see it then.
The sun has JACKO listed numerous times...............

Stop the JACKO sh#t


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 3:05 pm ET

Spirit,

Michael was the most popular in Japan!

It really breaks your heart hearing him choking when he gets emotional while thanking his fans. And also thanking his kids.

I really have to go now, before I start to get depressed again :)


Tina (Germany)   September 7th, 2009 3:05 pm ET

@spirit the media was not as worse as they were in the US during the trial. We did not have counters counting down if he is late or not and no one tried to buy rigths to send pictures from prison and we also had no daily court tv channel whatever. And we do not have people like DD and a big part of this kind of reporting would be forbidden anyways, because freedom of speech is obvisously a little bit different here.
We were by far not so influenced, they built a whole business around that trial in the US. This did not happen in Europe.


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 3:07 pm ET

Judie,

I don't care about the Jacko-thing because I know what kinda fish I have in my bucket. If I need to skip all the Jacko-articles, then I can stop blogging.

I want to see Michael's paintiing from the age of 13, which reflects his thinking.


spirit   September 7th, 2009 3:10 pm ET

maryg, Mara
I HATE that word 'addict' too when they use it for Michael...

& maryg

No you are not rambling... you are absolutely right when you question these so-called friends' sincerety & loyalty towards Michael... It seems they love to portray him as an addict... & it also seems that everybody knew about that but nobody bothered to actually help Michael in this regard...

& the question arises, he needed help regarding what?
He just needed people to understand him & not misconstrue or misunderstand always which they did... Its not that he was weak or something ( had he been weak, he wouldn't have suffered valiantly all that he had to )... Its just that he was way too sensitive & good a human being... way too good for his own good... & people around him exploited that...

& Chris
I agree with you when you say that it would be so easy to make molestation accusations against someone who loved children & who was trusting to a fault... What I ask his so-called friends is that instead of making public appearances now in order to steal a few minutes of fame at MJ's expense, they should have spoken or written vociferously on his behalf back then when the trial was going on to turn the tide against all those who were bent upon destroying his good name...

What were they doing then? Sleeping? & we don't need them to come up on screen now to tell us about Michael... His fans understood him then...they understand him now...They loved him when that infamous trial was going on & they love him now...
RIP... LOVE YOU MJ...


Judie   September 7th, 2009 3:10 pm ET

Eli that is not what I meant every article posted here is informative ... I for one look at them all the Sun is the one of the worst for the JACKO stuff... I was just making my comment that's all.


maryg   September 7th, 2009 3:12 pm ET

Spirit: Thank you.


mariau   September 7th, 2009 3:13 pm ET

what happened we stuck on this blog???

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 7th, 2009 3:18 pm ET

Judie,

My final post now, I see the Opus book will be translated in 12 languages, among them my own mother tongue, Hebrew!

YES, YES, YES, finally!! :)


spirit   September 7th, 2009 3:18 pm ET

Tina (Germany)

As they call it... it was a circus, not a trial... but though people were making business around it all still the general public in the US should have seen through it all... It just needed the willingness on their part to hear as MJ said it himself "both sides of the tale"...
Instead they allowed themselves to be brainwashed completely...


maryg   September 7th, 2009 3:20 pm ET

Mariau: Where have you been? I have missed you.


Judie   September 7th, 2009 3:23 pm ET

Eli,

Yes I heard that also, that will be a keepsake for you forever. I'm glad for you and anyone else that gets it in their home language.

Take care..


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 3:23 pm ET

Ok Mara. Your turn to check.... heee...heee....


spirit   September 7th, 2009 3:30 pm ET

Eli, Jerusalem/Israel
It really is sad when he chokes with emotion while thanking his fans and kids... & Imagine it being his first public appearance after that trial in 2005... Seeing that so many people & that too in Japan, far away from his homeland loved him with the same intensity that people had for him in the 80's must have been an overwhelming emotional experience for him... But I'm glad for him that he DID see that with his own eyes that his fans never let him down, they believed in him and loved him no matter what... It must hav made him happier too... Di you see the way he just starts his moves spontaneously and then goes near his fans and shakes hands with them... He must have been happy... & all of his fans shrieking & screaming & swooning and drooling for him in 2006...
You were the WINNER Michael not only in that trial but in the trial of life too... I have yet to see someone garner this much love, respect & admiration as Michael did...
Isn't it a slap on the faces of his accusers & a vindication of his innocence!!!


spirit   September 7th, 2009 3:35 pm ET

Ok guys gotta go... Catch you later!
Take good care of yourselves everyone...
Love & prayers for Michael!


Judie   September 7th, 2009 3:36 pm ET

Is the Jordan Chandler article real I read it so long ago .......or is it fake.Can someone re-post it.


mariau   September 7th, 2009 3:40 pm ET

maryg- i've just fix some problem with my boyfriend and we're okay now... oooh guys i missed you all...

WHERE IS THE JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL????


Cocovelvet   September 7th, 2009 3:43 pm ET

CHRIS,

Very true indeed.... that very moment when I heard MJ saying those words, I have to say I was just shocked as to how somebody who is so respectful and friendly to every soul could have possibly arrived at that conclusion to call someone those words. Anyway, I didn't have to search my mind too much to come to the conclusion that this SONY and its boss Mottola could have definately done something really nasty to MJ to drive him to that point.

ANNE AND MARYG,

I agree with that someone who mentioned somewhere before in the blogs that MJ might have somehow reduced his dependence on prescription drugs as Klein mentioned at LKL. But I also believe he should have gone to taking them out of stress and exhaustion during the preparations for his This is it Tour, otherwise I keep asking myself also if he was really struck on them continously for all those years since the dangerous tour, the big question would then be HOW DID HE KEEP HIS SUPPLY OF ALL THOSE DRUGS COMING HIS WAY WHEN HE LEFT THE US AFTER THE 2005 TRIAL ???!!!!!.........he was by then in Bahrain and later in Ireland. Does anyone want to tell me he got the drugs from some doctors in those two countries ???.... I don't think so, which means he was to some extend clean of drugs or taking hardly any.... WHAT DO YOU THINK GUYS ????


mariau   September 7th, 2009 3:47 pm ET

cocovelvet - i agree with you ... very good analysis


Maria   September 7th, 2009 3:51 pm ET

maryg – They don't have to TELL LIES and embellish the truth; they have always the option to say "no comment" or "I agree to give you this interview only if you don't ask me to comment on his health".

And I don't think they keep MJ's memory untarnished by hiding what they know (if they know) about doctors and prescription drugs abuse. If all the friends and "friends" keep mum, then they protect exactly the medical industry practices and the music industry practices that allow people like MJ to become dependent and die untreated. Can anyone believe that Randy Phillips or Arnold Klein keep saying MJ was feeling great just "to keep his memory untarnished"?

Is it that shameful that MJ had an addiction problem? It's one thing to say "yeah, he was nothing but a junkie" and completely another to say "he was a great musician whose life was endangered and ended by prescription drug abuse, which is a practice that plagues many entertainers and should be stopped". If people had find out that he is somewhere in a clinic, correctly medicated and cared for, nobody would have been upset now by the talk about drugs. Because HIS LIFE WOULD HAVE BEEN SAVED.


mariau   September 7th, 2009 3:52 pm ET

cocovelvet – i absolutely agree because in Bahrain it's really difficult to take drugs anywhere, unless it's prescribed by the doctors..

How come Michael was addicted if he wants to have more children??? he said it in Martin bashir, that Michael wanted to have more children.. then why MJ put himself in vulnerable situation.. this is my big question.. i think Michael loves his children so he will not do that vulnerable things in his life..
he said 1000 in his interview with Geraldo Rivera and Martin Bashir.


Tina (Germany)   September 7th, 2009 3:53 pm ET

I am sure he was clean for a long time, I think the sleeping problems were worse when he toured. Sleeping problems are bad but when you have no meetings or work the next day it might be easier to stand the problems, but when you know you have to be somewhere at a special time they become a real nitemare.
So I think it became a bigger problem when he had stress and much to do...... too much adrenalin, dopamin (natural hormons) circulating through the body.

I guess you know the effect when you had something really existing going on that you are like a ping pong ball not able to sleep right away when you come home.
I guess he had this 1000 times worse.


zzddog   September 7th, 2009 3:53 pm ET

We need to wait and see what the alias names and prescriptions were.


Judie   September 7th, 2009 3:59 pm ET

Being a drug addict & being addicted to prescription drugs are 2 totally different things....... a big difference.


Samantha - South Africa   September 7th, 2009 4:02 pm ET

@ Eli

I just saw the article that you posted the link to about the doodle.Its highly evident that from a young age Michael wanted to make the world a better place and what almost brought me to tears was when Joe Jackson sometime back spoke about how Michael as a kid used his earnings to buy ice cream and candy for the neighborhood kids and I just thought to myself,like how many kids would actually do that?Michael truly had a heart of gold and he sure seemed like the type that would even give his last cent to someone in need.


Cocovelvet   September 7th, 2009 4:02 pm ET

TINA,

I can really imagine how the poor guy had to struggle to sleep....stress mixed up with the already existing problem of insomnia ; such a terrible nightmare. I just can't stand one day of not sleeping well, and imagine someone having that problem every single night ????......


Mara   September 7th, 2009 4:06 pm ET

Patty

Tag you're it!


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 4:07 pm ET

LOL Mara Hey I posted a news update on the tribute page


Cocovelvet   September 7th, 2009 4:07 pm ET

Hi MARIAU dear....how are u today ???...been missing your humour on the blogs. :) :)

TINA made my day today with a nice joke about some sexual hallucinations caused by propofol......I had to laugh until my eyes watered....... :) :)

we seem to be stuck on these same blogs for the past two days now.....getting so difficult to get through one single post.


maryg   September 7th, 2009 4:08 pm ET

Maria: That is my point exactly. His life could have been saved. I am not sure of the extent of his dependency (I know some here hate the other word). Isn't it possible that he was stressed and sought relief during difficult periods in his life without necessarily having this huge "drug problem." The man was working with other artists, raising children, preparing for a mega tour. How can someone be this active if they are popping a gazillion pills? It lacks logic at some level.

The last thing I would want is for the medical industry to get away with unethical and dangerous practices. But I am talking about the friends who now come out and say "I knew about this drug problem and blah, blah, blah." Well, if you knew, then where the h-ll were you at the time. If you can make time now to come and sit on the LKshow, then surely you could have taken the time to speak to someone, anyone BEFORE this happened. If it was this bad, then why did they not seek help for him? When you put all the people who had 'inside" knowledge, then surely there were a lot of people in the know who could have helped. So I then question their friendship to Michael and subsequently if you were not a friend to him then, are you being one now? Are you telling the truth?


Judie   September 7th, 2009 4:20 pm ET

maryg that was my question awhile back why no one stepped in....
I for the life of me can't figure that one out. I just don't beleive that someone could of got thru to him someone....


lex   September 7th, 2009 4:21 pm ET

we need a new blog larry


maryg   September 7th, 2009 4:21 pm ET

Mariau: glad to know that things are working out. Tina had the funniest post today. She had a hilarious image of a propofol induced sexual hullucination....cracked us all up.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 4:22 pm ET

Patty

I read it....interesting the Detroit thing.


mariau   September 7th, 2009 4:22 pm ET

COCOVELVET – im ok.. i missed you guys..
Tina – i agree with you to think Mj was addicted to demerola after his accidents.. and Mj had insomia i think there's big different to from the drug.. to call MJ a junkie.. i'm totally disagree..
Mary G – yes i agree witih and i got your point


Mara   September 7th, 2009 4:26 pm ET

Hi mariau & lex

mariau

Glad to see you fixed things with your man. Mine is ongoing
especially since June 25 but oh well...


maryg   September 7th, 2009 4:26 pm ET

Judie: The blog is so long I sometimes do not read all the post. So, I apologize for not commenting on your post. I must have missed it. For all I know, I am just being redundant in what I am saying.


mariau   September 7th, 2009 4:28 pm ET

PLEASE CNN HEY GUYS ARE YOU HAVING PROBLEM IN YOUR COMPUTER..
IT'S TOO SLOW TO REFRESH AND I'VE ALMOST LOST MY COMMENT.. OOH MY GOSSH I TYPE IT AND SUBMIT AND THEN IT LOST.. OOOH LALALALALA
WHAT HAPPENED TO CNN????


lex   September 7th, 2009 4:29 pm ET

hi mara


Judie   September 7th, 2009 4:31 pm ET

maryg no appology required we are being redundant .......we want answers & soon. But have faith the bloggers will get to the bottom of this & take care of it.


Samantha - South Africa   September 7th, 2009 4:32 pm ET

According to Susan Etok,she saw Michael in March and he was not well and she also says that the fans are in denial about Michael abusing drugs!Personally,I feel that Michael was driven to such a state because he surrounded himself with 'vultures' who could only control his life through getting him 'hooked' on drugs and furthermore,the stress of doing 50 concerts definitely got to Michael,there's no two ways about that!!!Dr Etok also says that Michael never knew about the Tohme-Philips connection coz had he known,he would've opted out so I think there's a whole lot more to this and if Michael was not well,just how did he pass the physical with 'flying colors'?????


mariau   September 7th, 2009 4:35 pm ET

HI MARA – how are you? hahaha yeah we had great time last night.. but my mind was with MJ's death.. thinking there's new blog today


mariau   September 7th, 2009 4:39 pm ET

hey guys i believe that Mj was taking this insomia pills and besides that i dont believe it.. Propofol was intruduced to him with someone who could convinced Mj that's idea to treat insomia... i think Klein had something to do with it... if we could just find out that Klein and Murray were connected then.. this two predators should go to jail for the rest of their lives...


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 4:42 pm ET

Mariau

Glad you have patched up with your sweetheart.....I understand...too much MJ.....my husband thinks I'm nuts....but we had a good laugh last night....he said my pj bottoms looked like MJ pants and then he tried to emulate MJ's dance moves......cracked me up! He said I have MJ overload!!!


lex   September 7th, 2009 4:42 pm ET

were thr any new news ovr the weekend


Samantha - South Africa   September 7th, 2009 4:43 pm ET

@ Lora

Its going to be 3 months in the next 2 weeks that Michael left us and we're still in MJ mode lol!Wonder when or if ever this will wear out haha!


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 4:46 pm ET

Mariau

I think the LAPD, the Feds are trying to connect the dots...that is why it is taking so long....they want to make sure the charges stick!!!

Lex

No news whatsoever...I'm switiching news channels all the time....nothing!


Cocovelvet   September 7th, 2009 4:47 pm ET

Samantha,

This Susan seem to be some nutcase , she seems to be contradicting herself like hell. At certain points she is defending people like Diane Dimond who are usually lashing at MJ. On the other hand, she has personally witnessed MJ being in a state of complete health destruction, and even reported saying she took secretly some empty boxes of prescription drugs from MJ's hotelroom in London to check personally what they were all about. What did she do after she found out these two extremely disturbing situations about MJ as a true friend of MJ'S ????....... Is this woman spinning some fame games by using MJ or she is just nuts ????


maryg   September 7th, 2009 4:49 pm ET

Lora:

it doesn't sound like you are complaining. I think you are enjoying your mj overload.LOL. I think I am going to one of the gold/sexy pants video.


Judie   September 7th, 2009 4:51 pm ET

Hellow ......... Susan some kind of Dr. .........didn't know what kind of drugs... does she know people are listening to her.


Samantha - South Africa   September 7th, 2009 4:52 pm ET

@ Cocovelvet

I don't know what this woman is up to or if she was even a 'true' friend to Michael!She also claims that a fan sent her death threats!


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 4:52 pm ET

Cali MJ Fan

If you have a problem with us being on this blog and not discussing the topic you have an option to disconnect!

The topic was obsviously saturated and being that there is no other MJ blog to go to, people have chosen to stay here and talk about Micheal.

Sorry this upsets you!... very rude of you...no one else commented on your post, I felt compelled to do so!

September 7th, 2009 2:28 pm ET

There are over 600 posts here.

When you do a “Find” search, my sign on appears 13 times. I have posted a comment on the topic article itself, a repost that was worthy of people discussing (Sunset in the Pacific),a repost of AP article about the topic article, a comment about another article (Oxman), a question if you all had thought of embedding a chatroom into your own MJ sites, (for total of 5) and repsonses to comments directed to me (total of 3). and the other 5 have my name in them.

I would encourage you to do a “Find” on your own name to see how many times it appears. 95% of the conversation here honestly has nothing to do with the article– or anything newsworthy, for that matter.


lex   September 7th, 2009 4:54 pm ET

i was on vacation this weekend and i missed me some gold pants lol


mariau   September 7th, 2009 4:54 pm ET

hi Lora how are you? yeah thanks God.. they think we are nuts.. but no matter what i will stick my ass in MJ's blogs


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 4:56 pm ET

Mariau

LOL! Me too! Until Murray is incarcarated! I will not stop!


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 4:57 pm ET

Samantha

3 months....cant believe it!


Maria   September 7th, 2009 5:01 pm ET

Re Tohme-Phillips:
I'm not sure if MJ would have opted out, had he known about this relationship. I consider Tohme a crook and Phillips an hypocrite, but this story from the '70s doesn't prove that they were working together to ruin or kill MJ. There is a LATimes article always quoted when people talk about Tohme. But that article overestimates big time Tohme's role in the O2 adventure. Phillips (AEG) was courting MJ since 2007 for a comeback series of shows, and MJ really didn't need a rat like Tohme to guide him, to convince AEG to invest or to "broker" any such deal.
It would be useful to know more about how Jermaine got to know Tohme and what he did know about this man, before bringing him to save Neverland.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 5:01 pm ET

Lora I know I'm constantly checking everyday from all my news channels to online or a newspaper. It's like since he was buried, it's all hush hush now. Not a single word.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 5:03 pm ET

Hi Lora Ottawa

That's why I asked him earlier if that was his posting on the Labor blog because by his screen name I didn't understand if he was for Michael or against Michael. Anyway...whatever...

Thanks for addressing it though cause I just ignored it – I don't have the energy to argue... =)


mariau   September 7th, 2009 5:04 pm ET

OUR HEART WILL GO ON... TO YOU MICHAEL,..

WE ARE HERE TO FIND YOUR JUSTICE.. WE LOVE YOU..


lex   September 7th, 2009 5:05 pm ET

i cnt believe dat 3 months wow time flies


Mara   September 7th, 2009 5:05 pm ET

mariau

Good one, out with the man but thinking of MJ and the blog LMAO!
I myself have a full blown 15 guest Labor Day BBQ/Football party going on at my house and I'm blogging instead..lol

Mostly guys and no one is an MJ fan so I don't have anything in common..,


Mara   September 7th, 2009 5:06 pm ET

lex

If you don't mind me asking where'd you go on vacation? I hope you had a great time!


Anne   September 7th, 2009 5:09 pm ET

I heard last week the the lead detective on MJ's homocide case was on vacation till tomorrow. So I guess not much has happened in the last ten days. They have multiple excuses for not pressing charges – his health,his "drug history" and the LAPD not securing the crime scene. I will be surprised if they do bring charges.

Nothing they do will bring him back. ; (

All we can do is defend his honor and appreciate his work.


maryg   September 7th, 2009 5:10 pm ET

I loved this video. I was very chatty today and maybe even a bit argumentative but when the videos start....I am reminded of of the good stuff.


mariau   September 7th, 2009 5:10 pm ET

Mara – hahaha.. i understand everyone of us here having difficulties.. about Mj.. i promise ... that i gonna stick here.. until the justice is serve..


Cocovelvet   September 7th, 2009 5:11 pm ET

Which fan does this Susan refer to who sent her death threats..... a fan could be anybody in this world. Maybe if truely it happened, that particular someone was just pissed off by this strange behaviour from this Susan..... otherwise maybe she is personally taking those propofol injections herself and she keeps getting those nice hallucinations about MJ and probably his nice gold pants !!??? :) :)

I doubt any truth with this friendship of hers with MJ which she kept proversing to the media.........


lex   September 7th, 2009 5:13 pm ET

i dnt mind mara i jus went 2 boston


Anne   September 7th, 2009 5:15 pm ET

I do not believe for one minute that MJ left any prescriptions anywhere that a guest in his hotel room could possibly find them. So she was either in his private bathroom by his bedroom or she is lying. He would not leave prescriptions in a guest bathroom his kids could find. Maybe she is the secret girlfriend after all.


Judie   September 7th, 2009 5:15 pm ET

Didn't Michael always deliver the GOOD STUFF lol He is just so handsome


maryg   September 7th, 2009 5:15 pm ET

Coco:

LOL! Dr. Susan is getting hullucinations from propofol. MJ sexy pant hullucinations...I don't need propofol for that!


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 5:16 pm ET

Mara That is for sure.

Mariau I just watch that video you posted. Thank you that was really nice.


maryg   September 7th, 2009 5:17 pm ET

Oh judie, please do not say she is the secret girlfriend!LOL. That would so ruin it for me. LOL.


Judie   September 7th, 2009 5:19 pm ET

Patty r u still @ work?


mariau   September 7th, 2009 5:20 pm ET

patty – it's makes me cry with this song ...


lex   September 7th, 2009 5:21 pm ET

u think mj had a gf b4 he died like after he married debbie


Lori   September 7th, 2009 5:22 pm ET

Afternoon everyone - maybe they will give us a new MJ blog soon.

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Mara   September 7th, 2009 5:25 pm ET

Judie

I was just telling Rhonda last night that Michael looked so good it made me feel like going out for a makeover today. =)

lex

Well welcome back and I hope you had a great time in Boston! I just know that's where New Kids on the Block were from. I love me some Donnie Walhberg.


Cocovelvet   September 7th, 2009 5:28 pm ET

MARYG,

..... don't need a single drop of that stuff myself.... I just have to watch our famous gold pants video and i 'm automatically switched to cloud 9, and by the time I arrive back to mother earth, you can just imagine what I am just about to say......... :) :)


maryg   September 7th, 2009 5:37 pm ET

Coco:

LOL. I know exactly what you are saying.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 5:37 pm ET

MJFC Newsletter

Hi Patricia Anderson,

This is the latest news on your favorite artist – Michael Jackson.
Issue #86

One fan, one dot! Support the Michael Jackson Tribute Portrait!
Friedman: Neverland NOT Sold

(6-9-2009) Michael Jackson’s Neverland ranch has not — NOT — been sold to designer Christian Audigier. It still belongs to Michael’s estate and Colony Capital LLC.

How did this story get legs? Audigier may have purchased the Holmby Hills estate where Michael died. At least, he’s telling people he did. When Jackson died, Audigier — which is French for publicity vacuum — took huge billboards out in L.A. saying goodbye to Michael. He’s gone on TV proclaiming that they were good pals and working on a line of clothes together in secret.

Whatever.

Anyway, Audigier — who’s responsible for the pedestrian Ed Hardy line of clothes — has not, however, bought Neverland. The 2,900-acre ranch remains as is, awaiting some decision from the Jackson estate and Colony about what will happen. In all likelihood, it will be marketed next year and sold off. There’s nothing left in the house. It’s all gone.

Meantime, Michael’s brother Randy has issued some kind of statement complaining about news organizations that tried to film Michael’s funeral on Thursday night. Randy says it was a private family affair. And of course, it’s being sold to A&E for profit.

Other observations from the funeral on Thursday night: Rebbie Jackson would not go anywhere near her father, Joseph, and as such ceded her monitoring of Michael’s three kids. Janet Jackson shepherded the kids through the service.

Source: MJFC / Showbiz411.com


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 5:39 pm ET

I'll be going home shortly Judie. that's why I'm in and out today


Cocovelvet   September 7th, 2009 5:39 pm ET

well...Good Night Maryg and everybody here.

See u again tomorrow, its almost 12 midnight here and the blogs are so slow now .........


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 5:41 pm ET

Mariau

The video was absolutely beautiful..........he was so gorgeous.......it will take me a long time to get over this senseless tragedy!


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 5:41 pm ET

Sleep tight CoCo


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 5:44 pm ET

Goodnight Coco dream sweet dreams of MJ!


lex   September 7th, 2009 5:47 pm ET

wat video r ya'll talkin bout


maryg   September 7th, 2009 5:56 pm ET

Patty:

I was on the mjfc today and started posting. I wonder how many people from here are there too.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 5:58 pm ET

You guys wanna meet up in the Vegas blog? Only 113 comments there, this one is jacking me up.

Goodnight Cocovelvet!

lex

I think their talking about he 5:01 video mariau posted – look up further.


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 6:00 pm ET

Maryg

I am a member. Havent blogges yet. go see here at 5:55 p.m. what I posted you will like the article and the videos.


lex   September 7th, 2009 6:05 pm ET

mara but it doesnt work


Lora Ottawa Canada   September 7th, 2009 6:21 pm ET

I'm off for dinner catch up later.....will probably have to look for a blog!


maryg   September 7th, 2009 6:26 pm ET

Lora:

I know you are off now but I wanted to thank you. Michael may have very well been looking down from the moon. Beautiful and that Blanket squeezes my heart. *Sniff, sniff*


maryg   September 7th, 2009 6:59 pm ET

Cali:

are you serious? We cannot be on the blogs? Thiis is mandated by you?

"Return the media back to normal and keep reminiscing sites off mainstream" . Who does the media actually belong to? And normal: can you define that? There is over 600 and 700 postings on these blogs, I would say the normal and mainstream is us!

What is this about?


Cali MJ Fan   September 7th, 2009 7:23 pm ET

maryg– it's about the amount of comments on the MJ pages compared to others– the comments aren't specific to the posted topics..they are just a group of people who are reminiscing about MJ.

I never said don't come on the blogs– just that we should take the reminiscing offline to another location and keep on topic now that the funeral is over.

btw. AANGELWINGS is on the blog– she said hasn't been able to post on LKL for some reason... but is hoping you all will come over to the chatroom


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 7:25 pm ET

I signed up as well Cali


Maria   September 7th, 2009 7:28 pm ET

Cali MJ Fan is right about the Labor Day post. It's very rude to invade the space reserved for comments on other topics only because the blog posts about MJ are too clogged up with comments and the pages load too slow.
Blog pages load slow when users post videos, copy-paste long articles or keep talking about personal things, like in a private chatroom (good morning – how are you – thank you – how's the weather – I'm bored – I have stomach aches – see you tomorrow). Chatroom applications allow users to talk endlessly without slowing down the page load.

CNN Comment Policy: "All comments should be relevant to the topic and remain respectful of other authors and commenters".


Cali MJ Fan   September 7th, 2009 7:32 pm ET

c'mon over everyone.. it's WAY easier to talk on the chatroom than here... think you'll like it better.. honest


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 8:17 pm ET

what chat room


Alicia from Hawaii   September 7th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

something neat about Michael. Hope it's not too long, sorry. I wish Larry would give us another blog.

Here’s article written by Peter Huck , Sept. 5, 2009 on NZHereald.Co.NZ:

Jackson’s Secret Love Affair : (with books; Michael Jackson had a wide-ranging interest in books, and often shopped personally for books) (excerpts):

According to those who have seen it, the library includes some heavyweight tomes that offer a tantalising insight into an aspect of Jackson’s personality not seen in supermarket checkout magazines or muck-raking tabloids.

Jackson’s longtime attorney, Bob Sanger, said the singer was “extremely well read”. In an interview with the LA Weekly, posted on the day of Jackson’s death, Sanger reminisced that his client “talked about psychology, Freud and Jung, Hawthorne, sociology, black history and sociology dealing with race issues. But he was very well read in the classics of psychology and history and literature.”

Who knew? Many may have assumed that Jackson’s literary tastes stopped at Peter Pan, the J.M. Barrie Edwardian classic that created the fictional children’s world “Neverland”, and gave Jackson’s California ranch its name.

Instead, Jackson seems to have been just as content quietly communing with a 19th century poet, like Hawthorne or Emerson, as he was going on a shopping spree.

The singer appears to have been an autodidact, prone to writing comments in the margins of his books. He was also a regular visitor to several LA independent bookstores.

When the King of Pop returned to LA from Bahrain, where he had fled to escape scrutiny after the 2005 criminal trial, he was first spotted at Hennessey+Ingalls, a popular art and architecture bookshop, with branches in Santa Monica and Hollywood. He was a long and valued customer,” a staff member said. “We’ll miss him.”

Doug Dutton, a legendary figure among his peers in LA’s independent bookstore world, told the Times that Jackson, who book-hopped with his bodyguards, “was solitary and quiet”. “He loved the poetry section,” said Dutton. “I think you would find a great deal of transcendental, all-accepting philosophy in his lyrics.”

His favorite figure was Ralph Waldo Emerson, the 19th century American poet and philosopher who, after meeting Woodsworth and Coleridge, developed a love of nature and a mystic idealism.

Sometimes Jackson mixed with the hoi polloi. But on one occasion, recalls Dutton, the store closed early so Jackson could shop alone. The singer “showed up in big van”, recalls Dutton. “Once you got over the initial caution because of those burly guys with him, he was very nice.”

He was also a generous shopper, leaving with four or five books. It’s nice to think of Jackson doing his bit for LA’s independent booksellers, who often seem to be losing their battle against the big chains and internet retailers.

While Jackson shopped for books, he was likely to have been guided by dealers.

“There were some things in the library which you only acquire when you know where to look,” says Karl Fowler, CEO of Opus Media Group, who accessed the singer’s archives – stored in some eight locations around the world – for the upcoming Michael Jackson Opus, the only biography officially sanctioned by Jackson’s estate.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Where the hell is all my friends?


rosegarden   September 7th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

They all moved to labor day blog!


Lori   September 7th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Hello – anyone home? :)

JUSTICE FOR MICHAEL


Barbara   September 7th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

@ Lori everyone is in the LKl MJfans chatroom


Jessie from Auckland, NZ   September 7th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

To Eli, Jerusalem/Israel

Thank you for inquiring as to whether I was Jehovah Witnesses. I have had an interest in them and have had some bible studies with them. I am not baptised into their church as I don't now want to belong to any organised religion. But I am always searching.

I just always refer to God as Jehovah as I think that is his real name.


Maria   September 7th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Please, don't post comments about MJ on the Labor Day post. That one is for people who want to discuss on the topic.

I guess most people are on the chatroom opened by Cali MJ Fan – lklmjfans dot blogspot dot com.


Barbara   September 7th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Yes Maria that is where some of us are.


Lori   September 7th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

Does anyone wonder why there is still no information available on purchasing tickets for the This Is It Movie yet?


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Hi guys


Barbara   September 7th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

I would likie to find out more infor abou the tickets as well-because I am sure they will sell fast! I don't want to miss it!


Anne   September 7th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

Alicia
Love the story about MJ's secret love affair with books. He was a brilliant man who read extensively about all topics. Chopra said he knew all the eastern and western philosophers. He was hungry for knowledge. Loved science and anatomy. He reminds me a bit of Leonardo Da Vinci wanting to create things. He could have done so much more if evil men had not set out to destroy him.


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

Are you coming to the new chat room


lex   September 7th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

evn tho this blog is slow i like posting ovr here better


Barbara   September 7th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Oops... I meant to write like, not likie!!!!!
-now my keyboard is not typing. I would like to find out about the tickets too. Don't want to miss it.


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Hi lex

Why don't we go over to the blog on Jacquelyn's site


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

Lori–I know


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

are we staying here


lex   September 7th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

ok linda ima go ovr 2 jacquelyns site


Alicia from Hawaii   September 7th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Anne, you are so right, I believe he had so much more to give, to offer. I am so angry at whoever took him from us and deprived us and his children and family and the world, all he had to offer. I cry angry tears.


Alicia from Hawaii   September 7th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

which one is Jacquelyn's site?


Heidi   September 7th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

How about Janet's blog?


lindafromnewyork   September 7th, 2009 10:31 pm ET

welovemichaeljosephjackson dot com


Mara   September 7th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

LindaNY

Jesus, what I go through to post on this blog.........Like I was saying and it didn't get posted. I was looking for everyone and someone said everyone was on the Labor blog but I remember earlier someone said we shouldn't blog on that blog so then I find out you all are in a chatroom that has a limit on guests....so anyway Im back to square one.

Lori -

It makes me wonder if the movie is even going to be released. I've been harassing my ticketmaster to the point they see me coming and they start shaking their head no we're not selling it yet. LOL I even went online to ticketmasterdotcom and haven't seen anything.

Hi lex!

I'm trying to get everything in one swoop since it takes about 10 minutes to refresh.


Gerald Jolly   September 7th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

Hey! "SEX DEVIATES"
Dont you dare post a message about how much you loved and honored Micheal, when you would post "TRASH" about how much "LUST" you fantasize about him

"YOU ARE UNQUESTIONABLY SICK"


Lois   September 7th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Hey everyone, not staying long cuz this blog is too long, but I have uploaded the THIS IS IT poster to my facebook group. Interestingly something did happen on September 7th....the poster is amazing.


Alicia from Hawaii   September 7th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

Lois, what happened on Sept 7?


Lois   September 7th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

I tried getting into the chatroom earlier but it says it is full....some I will be wandering around......see you guys on the flip side... :)


Lois   September 7th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

Alicia: The release of the poster for the movie THIS IS IT


Mara   September 7th, 2009 10:44 pm ET

Lois

I was just over there and took a peek at it and it is an AMAZING poster. I'm stoked I can't wait and that is one of the reasons I keep harassing my Ticketmaster people. lol

Did you get a look at Patty's post about Detroit?


Lori   September 7th, 2009 10:46 pm ET

@Mara – me to. The Regal Cinema people treat me the same way.

Are we going to the Janet Tweets blog??


sarah   September 7th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

hi every1........PlZZ Larry give us new BLOG on MJ .............

no TI tonite either .........

FANS OF MJ FROM PAKISTAN!!PEACE!!!!


tatiana   September 7th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

hi everybody


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

hey Mara so that chat room has limited guest?

So where will everyone be this evening?


Lois   September 7th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

Mara – Here or on facebook??

No I have not seen the post about Detroit....here or there...but have not really checked.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

Lois they have released a poster on This Is It?


Lois   September 7th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

I may head over to welovemichaeljackson to chat for a bit. This blog is too long...I guess the moderators are kinda kicking us out nicely until we get a new story/blog.


Mara   September 7th, 2009 10:53 pm ET

Lori said go to the Janet tweets blog – I'll answer you over there.


Lois   September 7th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

Yes Patty – it is on facebook, on our page.


Anne   September 7th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

hey, can you link us to the This Is It movie poster?


Anne   September 7th, 2009 11:02 pm ET

I found it.


Lois   September 7th, 2009 11:02 pm ET

not sure what you mean by Janet's tweet, I am over at welovemichaeljackson blog, but no one is there, if I don't find you Mara – just email through facebook.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 11:05 pm ET

Lois it's an earlier blog at the bottom of the blog page


Lois   September 7th, 2009 11:07 pm ET

Diane in Minn – I was at that blog but it says it was full.


Patty Anderson   September 7th, 2009 11:08 pm ET

Where did you find it Anne?


Lois   September 7th, 2009 11:14 pm ET

I can't find you guys on welovemichaeljackson site.... ok I am fumbling around in space...if I don't catch up with you guys talk to you later.


Lucero (Mexico)   September 7th, 2009 11:24 pm ET

Hi Mara :-)

How are you ? ..

About this blog: michael jackson's home bought by ed-hardy

OMG:
Why celebrate Michael Jackson's death? ? It's sad.
Why not celebrate his birthday? It's better :-)

MEXICO LOVES MJ!!

MICHAEL JACKSON
1958- FOREVER


Mara   September 7th, 2009 11:36 pm ET

Hi Lucero

I am fine how are you? Come over to the other blog the one named Janet Tweet or something like that. This one is too long....
I think it was only a rumor that he bought Michael's house. We're not sure if it's true yet. Come over to the other blog okay??


tatiana   September 7th, 2009 11:39 pm ET

Hi Lucero
Mara:
In which blog are you?


tatiana   September 7th, 2009 11:46 pm ET

Ok, bye eveybody, is very sad this loneliness, everything is changing, good night


Lucero (Mexico)   September 8th, 2009 12:03 am ET

Hola Tatiana :-)
Espero estes bien. Saluditos. Viva México.

Good night & sweet dreams

MEXICO LOVES MJ!

MICHAEL JACKSON
1958- FOREVER


Susan62509   September 8th, 2009 12:08 am ET

There are 60 repetitive bloggers that comment on the LKL, MJ topics. No matter which place we blog, i.e. Jacquelyns or LKL fan blog, they will all get very lengthy. Plus LKL always gives us new topics to discuss. We've run a couple of topics over 1200 comments.

I agree with Maria, if we eliminate the videos and lengthy copy/paste articles, we won't have such a long wait to download comments.


Carol   September 8th, 2009 12:23 am ET

Hello Larry,

Can we have a new blog/topic please......how about uploading the new This is it poster....I just saw it and its awesome :)


MariaA   September 8th, 2009 12:53 am ET

Today was a very hard day for me. I was devastated when I heard on the news that Michael was taking eye drops for glaucoma.

I have Glaucoma and I don't want people finding out.

I had trauma to my left eye and I got it damaged at an early age. If you don't take care of your eyes, you can become blind. I also have to take medication for insomnia. May be that is why I feel connected with dear Michael, other than growing up with him.

Michael must have suffered a lot with all these medical problems.

I feel that they don't even respect Michael and are telling his most intimate problems. They are striping his humanity. and exposing everything.


spirit   September 8th, 2009 2:45 am ET

Alicia from Hawaii

Thanks for posting that wonderful article regarding Jackson’s Secret Love Affair with books... You know what! I have always believed him to be a well-read person... That shows in his lyrics and in his speeches... even in his interviews... He was truly brilliant & enlightened... & he loved reading books & loved reading them aloud to his children... Coz I read somewhere that he believed that there is nothing more beautiful than to read a lovely book to a child... What a wonderful, multi-faceted human being he was... Its sad that people kept looking for the negative in him whereas he was so full of the positive energy of life...
God bless him!


spirit   September 8th, 2009 2:48 am ET

maryg
I'm on MJFC too but don't blog there that much...


J.kruijzen   September 8th, 2009 3:59 am ET

hi there


Eli, Jerusalem/Israel   September 8th, 2009 6:41 am ET

MariaA,

Glaucoma can be a side effect of sustained medication intake.


mariau   September 8th, 2009 8:55 am ET

Patty aderson – thank you for this information.. what about his death inverstigation? there's any progress about Murray and Klein?

alicia – thank you for that article.

hello everyone what happened to this blog??


Anne   September 8th, 2009 9:00 am ET

To write ET to complain about Diane Dimond relentless persecution of Michael Jackson which destroyed his career, reputation and life and now the psychological well being of his children:

et.newsdesk@cbsparamount.com


lindafromnewyork   September 8th, 2009 10:38 am ET

Hi evryone–
some of us are on that-tribute concert blog


susan   September 8th, 2009 3:27 pm ET

it is really upsetting the death of michael jackson. he was a true humanitarian.. he tried to save the world and the people in it. i think it is a great idea for his last home to be opened up to the public on the date of his death each year so people can go and feel close to him as he was loved by so many... i wish i had thought to send him my fight for life story. i know he would have helped me and people who knew him told me this for sure but i didnt think to as i am only one person trying to do it all. thankyou


Andrea   September 8th, 2009 4:56 pm ET

I have read many reports on the internet stating that Jordan Chandler recanted his molestation story, three weeks after Michael Jackson died. Is this true? If so, why is this not covered in the mainstream press? Also, why does no one point out that it was Michael's insurance company that settled the Chandler claim against his wishes?


Maria   September 8th, 2009 5:57 pm ET

No, it was only an internet hoax. The original source was supposed to be a Bulgarian site that doesn't have anything to do with such kind of stories. If you try to find it, it will return an error message. The settlement forbids Chandler to speak about anything related to MJ.


Californian dweller   September 8th, 2009 8:50 pm ET

yes jordan chandler actually did say that he lied about the molestation case because his dad only wanted the $$


Californian dweller   September 8th, 2009 8:56 pm ET

hey, and if anyone wants to learn what really happened during the 2003 trial, buy the book, Michael Jackson Conspiracy, by Aphrodite Jones. It's really great. You'll read what the media never told you.


Amy   September 8th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

I don't think chandler will recant. Then, they'll have to return the settlement money.

But I also don't understand why the fact that it was the insurance company which made the settlement against Michael's objections was not highlighted.


Serena   September 10th, 2009 2:46 am ET

Money speak!


Niura Schwartz   September 10th, 2009 3:35 am ET

I was at the house today,Michael's soul is no longer there and I agree with someone here that his connnection with that house was brief, but he died there and this makes a sacred place. The flowers around are very beautiful and above the garage's gate up on the hill there is a window that goes to a very quite street that I feel was Michael's bedroom. Michael went to Paris to this guy's 50th birthday last year! The only place that I felt peace and a passing was at the Great Mausoleum. Michael's soul needs love and peace!
I love you Michael.


Sheletta   September 10th, 2009 9:01 am ET

I am confuse here. I thought he brought the home hat Michael die in? Not the Neverland Home. He state the Homby Home is that the house Michael die in? Reading some of the comments they are talking about Neverland not Homby House.


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