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April 11, 2009

Saturday's LKL: Jim Carrey & Jenny McCarthy talk Autism

Posted: 07:57 PM ET

Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy get serious about autism!  She says her son has "recovered" from the condition that affects millions.  But many medical experts say there is no cure. Questions and answers from guests on both sides of the controversy!

Filed under: Autism • Larry King Live


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Linda   April 11th, 2009 9:01 pm ET

I would like to see the topic of Vitamin D deficiency raised in relation to pregnancy and early childhood as a cause or contributing factor to autism.


Chad   April 11th, 2009 9:10 pm ET

I was wondering this when Jim and Jenny were talking: They said that we vaccinate at double the rate of 30 western nations. So is our autism rate double that of the nations that don't vaccinate as much as we do?


Cindy Pawluk   April 11th, 2009 9:10 pm ET

What is the incidence of Autism in North America compared to other countries not being vacinated as the same high rate?


Audrey   April 11th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

Can everyone afford this treatment? My son was diagnoised with autism when he was 3 years old. He is now 10. I would like to know how I can help him with the biomedical treatment.


Christopher Thurgood   April 11th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

My girlfriends brother is autistic and he amazes me. He's an intelligent guy but unfortunately his condition effects many daily things of his life. He is now 20 years old and I'm not sure what that means for his future.


John   April 11th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

Autism has seen a huge increase in the last 10 years which correlates directly to the increases in vaccinations. These statistics are clearly ignored. To add to this there are clearly carcinogenic toxins found in vaccines. How does this make sense? The answer is it doesnt.


John & Joy   April 11th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

Cudos to Jenny & Jim! Thank you for speaking out on this. Parents need to know this and the fact that many of the common household cleaners we use are toxic to the development of our children. Why as the most advanced industrialized nation are we so behind on improving our quality of life and the future of our children is in such peril? It is horrific.


Justin Tokarz   April 11th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

Hey Larry!

Has either Jim or Jenny read the book "The Brain That Changes Itself" ? By Norman Doidge? It provides great insights into the causes and successful treatments currently available for children suffering from Autism!


Shane   April 11th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

Sadly Jenny and Jim are correct...the pharmaceutical companies HIGHLY influence how Drs learn...and think...mainly due to their financial influence. The phenomenon is worldwide but worst of all in the USA.

I know...I am a Doctor!


Gynnie Ann De Jesus   April 11th, 2009 9:12 pm ET

This question is for Jim:

Do you think eating too much turkey can give Autism?

An Ex-American Diner waitress, 75th and Broadway.


Natasha   April 11th, 2009 9:12 pm ET

I just wanted to say thank you to Jenny and Jim for their continuous efforts. I am in the process of healing my son's Asperger's using biomedical treatments. Jenny's book "Mother Warriors" really helped me realize that I'm not alone in this battle.


Michelle   April 11th, 2009 9:12 pm ET

I applaud you for taking a stand. I had a child injured from a vaccine at 2 months old. She had an adverse reaction and almost died. I know have a 2 year old grandson who has not had any of his immunizations. I hope his school age years will be much easier than that of my daughter. I have had to fight the system all of her life to avoid taking any more of these wonderful immunizations. I have been labeled terrible mother for not allowing this poison into my child. Please continue what you are doing. Its time we as parents said enough! NO more autism because of greed.


Amy   April 11th, 2009 9:12 pm ET

My son receives biomedical treatment...turned his life completely around within 5 months. He continues to improve. I have several mercury dental amalgams and feel my own toxic burden of heavy metals have contributed to my son's heavy metal burden in utero and vulnerability to vaccines. I wonder if Jenny has any mercury fillings?? Does she feel that in some cases autism and toxicity in our children begins with maternal mercury amalgams?? Thank goodness for Jenny McArthy...she is leading the way in the fight for safer vaccines and a safer vaccine schedule!!!


Jennifer   April 11th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

I don't understand how we can prevent our children from getting autism by not getting them certain vaccines. If this is true then how come all kids who have had all their vaccines don't have autism? Only one of my three children have autism.


Don traynor   April 11th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

These two are nuts! Autism is a natural variation on the human experience. People with autism are not broken, don't try to fix them!


Rose Marie Muhl   April 11th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

I have two sons with autism and every time I listen to or read what Jenny McCarthy says I want to hug her for saying things I am unable to say. I am a sixth grade teacher, single mom with four kids and two of them with autism. My two boys were helped by naturalopathy but my insurance refuses to pay for anything related to those therapies. So doctor appointment after doctor appointment - they will pay for drug after drug, but nothing that heals or helps. They refuse to listen to me and will argue with me to the point of laughing at me because I am just an overwhelmingly worried mom. My children's lives and mine have been attacked by autism. I am devastated by it financially and emotionally and who really cares. No one.... But thanks Jenny for your work... It might help in the long run.. I will keep praying..

Rose Muhl


Martin Walker   April 11th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

Autism is the only disease that is associated with almost exclusively children. The problem is that the children grow up. Why is no one talking about Adult Autism.
We have a 29 year old, and his life has been hell, with no end in site.


will torres   April 11th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

Can anyone speak on the cervical cancer vaccine[OH]that they're trying to give 11 yr old girls? They tried to give it to my daughter and i was like "whoa, i'm gonna have to read up on that".


Karla C.   April 11th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

I totally agree with Jim and Jenny when it comes to taking "some meds" off the shelf as they are deemed too dangerous but "lets leave the infant injections which still have "mercury" in them in effect" What a crock!
My grandchildren have "never" had infant injections and they are doing wonderful, smarter, walked at 8 months, more alert, etc. I could go on and on.
The name of the game is "$$$$$$$$$" as it is in every thing but wouldn't you think that a childs life would be the most important thing in the world to anyone, even the greedy? Evidently not.


nana   April 11th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

I have a 4months old son. Last time i went for his vacctination doctor gave him 4shots at the same time which was shoking. My question is why so many in one day? is it dangerous?


Linda   April 11th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

I have a son whom I believe is autistic. the schools have kicked him out and behavior programs say they can not handle him. He is now homeschooled due to I can't find a program that can help him. We are very low income and have adopted 6 other nieces and nephews including him. It's hard to find anything that medicaid will pay for. Please help what do I do?


Richard Weinberg   April 11th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

The Amish have no vaccinations and no autism whatsoever.


Ryan   April 11th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

Autism can not be cured. All you can do to cope with autism is deal with the symptoms. I have been studying autism for five years(as well as worked with autistic children) the only thing "cures" have in common is that they went through ABA therapy. My research on vaccines with siskyou health clinic concluded that only 50% percent of the children with autism had been vaccinated.


judi salzillo   April 11th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

My two sons are autistic – I believe vaccines are a major contributor of the increase that went from 1 in 10,000 diagnoses in 1990 to 1 in 150 today – Vaccine manufactures are able to claim a vaccine is thimerosal (mercury) free even if there is a trace amount due to governmental regulations – My boys were never given vaccines with thimerosal, I found out that I received thimerosal in the rho gam shot at 28 weeks pregnant – It is a pity that the pharmaceutical companies care more about money than the health of our children


Marlon   April 11th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

They say they are not encouraging people to NOT vaccinate but they are still spreading fear and causing people to not vaccinate. I beg people to study the science. Sure, listen to these two if you like, look into what they are saying, but please look at other research. Too many vaccinations? Maybe. OK. Autism? Not likely. Autism diagnosis has increased because the spectrum of diagnosis within autism has broadened. (There is so much more info out there)...


David   April 11th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

I am a parent of a child with Aubuger Syndrome ( autism)
I I do agee that the pharm. is in conhoots with some Drs and md schools. Also not enough information is out there to help support those with children who are doagnoses with Austim. We need the support from the mds, Social worers, and educators.
Help Help


Ibrahim   April 11th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

Evidence? what is the evidence that connects vaccines to autism. Yes, we have many new vaccines.. but we have so many other toxins in our environment.. we need to be scientific!


Debra   April 11th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

I have a daughter who is now 17 who is high functioning and has made incredible progress. What I think does NOT work is that you think those extremely affected children will turn around through gluten free and behavioral therapy. I have friends whose children are still rocking in the corner, do not have any language, and no social skills despite working like maniacs for long years. These are parents who have devoted their lives to try everything to turn it around. The "it can be cured" may be limited. I'm one of the lucky ones.


Kemmie   April 11th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

I think Jim and Jenny have a very narrowed view on this issue. The risk benefit ratio for this vaccinations have been established through many testings. Why they don't talk to some parents of children with the diseases which these vaccines prevent? And how about the fact that autism is much more diagnosed nowadays? Why the prevelance numbers your guests are quoting do not reflect this?


Lila   April 11th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

I love all the attention Jenny and Jim are putting out there, I am learning a lot but feel so confused about what to do about my sons' upcoming MMR vaccine.


K JOhnson   April 11th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

Recover from autism? – Mcarthy and Carry have lost my complete respect. I have wonderful 8 year old with High Functioning Autism. Like most things affecting the brain it is management NOT RECOVERY! I am not surprised the AAP does not take them seriously because I don't. There is a wonderful Danish, double blind study concerning the vaccination – autism link – look it up. We get more mercury from from our enviroment than would ever be possible from vaccination. The SERIOUS scientific work is on the genetic links. The only reason that autism diagnosis are up is that we are actually recognising the symptoms now. Please remeber autism was only recognised as as a brain disorder in the 1940's.


Patty   April 11th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

I am happy for Jenny McCarthy and her son. But there are thousands of kids whose parents have done all the biomedical interventions that she has done but they still have autism. I believe that there can be significant improvement in the lives of children with autism with proper interventions but I do not believe that the can be cured.


Medical Student   April 11th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

Jim stated earlier that pharmacologists teaching medical students today are funded by drug companies, yet every pharmacologist that has stood in front of the classes in our programs have stated that they receive absolutely no money, and are not associate in any way with drug manufacturers.


Ryan   April 11th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

I would also like to pose the question, How can you present this as the cure to autism when a child still shows autistic side effects/tendencies?


Micheal   April 11th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

I think it is dangerous to approach vaccination as a cause of autism. There are tons of websites advocating for and against vaccination because of autism. I'm not against parents educating themselves, but they have to do this realizing that it is near impossible to distinguish between reputable and non-reputable sites. .com and .org doesn't work. It is essential to discuss the risks and benefits with their pediatrician first, and to give the information you get from the internet to the pediatrician for consideration.


Ronald L Young, DC, DABCI   April 11th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

Have you heard of the success that has been made with the hyperbaric chambers?


rahman   April 11th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

as a public health student, i am appalled at what i just heard Jim Carey say, "...we can not assume those responsible for public health have our best interests at heart!" That is a paraphrase, but it captures the essence of what was said.

the definition of public health, according to wikipedia, is "the science and art of preventing disease, prolonging life and promoting health through the organized efforts and informed choices of society, organizations, public and private, communities and individuals" please ask mr carey how public health does not have the best interests of the public at heart.

Vaccinating our children against debilitating diseases is part of one of the core functions of public health: assurance. It is sound public health practice to make every attempt to prevent illnesses. And this practice is based on scientific, empirical evidence that vaccines are safe to inject into our children. Where is the medical evidence that vaccines cause autism?

Larry weren't you vaccinated? I'm sure Jim and Jenny were too...


Ryan   April 11th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

I would also like to know if your child has ever taken ABA therapy? (jenny)


Matthew   April 11th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

I really think the past 8 years of the decreased funding for stem cell research have put the medical community behing 100 years. If more is spent on stem cell research and prevention, autism along with many other disesas will have a cure.

Vaccines are important, but more needs to be done to know the importance and timing of each one in anyone's life.


cindy cahill   April 11th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

my son has autism, he is 15 years old. He has tried everything you have tried. Diet, supplements,ect and nothing has worked. Autism is not curable. You give the idea that is and that is simply not true for everyone. we have spent thousands of dollars and countless hours with our Dan Doctor. My son is now hurting himself and others and no one seems to know what to do. If Autism is treatable help me, im in desperate need.
signed
a Desperate Mom


jill   April 11th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

i have three grandkids that are autisic, we don't have the money to help them like that. wish the doctors would help,


Steve t   April 11th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

I agree with jenny and jim. New jersey government now requires children in preschool to get a flu shot every year. They also require a second chickenpox shot. It so happens that nj is the pharmaceutical capital.it makes me sick. I had no choice to claim religious exemption to bypass the law.


Lisa   April 11th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

Hello, I do also wonder about the # of vaccines, my children have only had 24, and yet they did not have the Heb vaccine until grade 7 around 13/14 yrs old. The pharm companies are making a killing money wise. Is Canada high on the list for this as well? Keep up the good work Jenny and Jim.God Speed!!!


dr william barnes   April 11th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

Larry,
The pharmaceutical companies and their stockholders, of which doctors are major holders, represent the biggest conflict of interest in the pursuit of medical treatment for children and all peoples.
Greed is suffocating the health care conversation. The autism conversation is met by smear campaigns orchestrated by the drug dealers. We are over vaccinated and we condemn any person when that person offers alternative treatments that have evidence that reject the pediatricians uninformed opinions. The American Medical Association and the pharmaceutical industry are in bed together without the best interest of children or wellness. Disease proliferation sells.


Lynne   April 11th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

My opinion on the vaccination schedule is that it is way too agressive considering newborns and young children are still developing their immune systems. Has it ever been researched how these vaccines interact with each other? Remember the "Gulf War" syndrome? Wasn't that caused by a mix of vaccinations? What about additives in vaccines? Personally, I have 2 relatives, 1 with Autism, 1 with a similar, related syndrome. It is suspected by doctors that these were "vaccine injuries". Both cases involved seizures & neurological symptoms. I myself cannot take the flu vaccine, it has an adverse affect on me. As a result, some of my relatives have been advised by medical doctors not to vaccinate their babies until they are much older. Makes you wonder.


Tom Stalcup   April 11th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

My nephew has autism and my sister is doing everything she can, going to Boston to the best doctors available, seeing specialists once a week. He's now being medicated and I've never seen an improvement.

I have to keep my mouth shut, as I am in Jim Carrey's camp regarding the medical profession on this issue.

My request is that Jim Carrey remain for the entire hour so that he can take on the medical profession head-on for us all to see. My nephew need this, my sister needs this, and America needs this.

Thank you Larry, Jim, and Jenny!


David   April 11th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

My son has made a lot of improvement with PT, OT, and speech therapy. However, he still has trouble with expressive language and his awaremess or ability to read social cues. It there anyting you can recommend? What are the effects of these treaments for autistic spectrum disorders such as aspergers or PDD?


Dr. khodadoust   April 11th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

What do you think of hyperbaric oxygen therapy for autism?


Nik   April 11th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

There is no cure for autism!


Kristal Casey   April 11th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

Jim & Jenny-

THANK YOU SO MUCH!! I have been "preaching" what you are saying for several years. I stand amazed at how money and greed take priority over health! I have a wellness company and cannot believe what I have learned and how people are almost offended by the truth and take what health professionals say at face value. No one wants to do the research themselves. I am so glad you are doing this. I am sooo happy that you are speaking out! You are amazing! I will keep you in my prayers! May God bless you and continue to protect you!

You ROCK!!

Love & Prayers,
Kristal Casey
Houston, TX


Frank   April 11th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

My wife and I agree with Jim & Jenny, we feel that the drug companies are prescribing too many vaccinations and autism is increasing. Why let profit rule our children's lives . God bless you and your children.


Suzette - Barbados   April 11th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

Good Evening, Lady, Gentlemen

My son will be 29yrs. Has Autism, he was not born with it, he started normal development until 3 yrs, when I checked back, it started after what we call a booster. It breaks my heart, would love to have him cured. I have battled a long time to protect. I ask God to take him 5 mins before me. What will he do. I am powerless.

Bless all of you for the works.


Ibrahim   April 11th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

Yes, May be.. but is Maybe a good enough evidence to stop vaccination.. we need STUDIES.. solid evidence to show that connection. Maybe only certain children with certain genetic makeup will develop complications!


oriana delle cave   April 11th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

Mi name is Oriana Delle Cave and I also HAD a child with autism, is not a coinsidence that my son after he had the 1 year old shots he lost his eye contact and started with autistic behavors. Im a believer in gfcf diet and all the interventions that Jenny is talking, my son is now 6 years old and he has no autism traces!!!!!


mike   April 11th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

As a school psychologist in Maryland, I find many of Mr. Carey and Ms. McCarthy's comments disturbing. Neither are are trained in the medical fields. One is a comedian, the other a model. Parents are scared, they cling to comments made by public figures such as them. Furthermore, if there are concerns regarding the safety of vaccinations, then i would expect lower proportional rates of Autism is populations such as the Amish.


willvan wyk   April 11th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

I applaud you for taking a stand against these big medical corporations who only care about making money vaccines aren't the only solution they use peoples fear as a weapon


sam   April 11th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

I am a pediatric specialist. please take care in the information that is being dispersed by 2 movie personalities. their comments about "greed" and that being the reason that drives doctors to vaccinate is unjustified. their comments on drug companies driving the business of medicine is also inappropriate. many hospitals have taken stands on drug company having any interaction/role in medicine-including the cleveland Clinic as far as I know. i believe they have banned drug company sponsorship in the hospital. I for one, will do anything to help my patients and will never in my life ever would even think that I would use money to drive me to cause children harm. I find their comments very offensive as a physician doing everything i can to help children.


Alisha   April 11th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

My son is 17 yrs old..... There is no doubt that he was affected by the MMR vaccine. He used to speak and developed normaly.

I love that Jenny is raising awareness about autism. She has only had to deal with it for a few years at most!! There is so much more that we know about now, like the gluten free diets etc...

My issue is that all this talk is about healing kids that are young and YES it's needed... HOWEVER... I want to hear about somekind of support and help for those of us whose children were guinea pigs and there was not much known much less people trained to teach and recover our children.... What about our kids??? We've done the diet..... it's helped some... but not near what it will a child of 3

Thanks for listening


dori   April 11th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

My daughter was diagnosed late, around 4 years. I received minimal help-decided to do early intervention ON MY OWN. She's nine years old, communicates wonderfully, attends Montessori school.........I don't feel she's cured but she has come a long long way.
I didn't rely on the medical industry to 'help' us, I did my research and worked with my daughter day and night.


Ofra Gaito   April 11th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

I think Larry does not speak to Jenny about the fact that Autisem is caused probably when the child is born to a father who is 40 years and up


Ernestine Green   April 11th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

We as parents need a change. I know the information that is being discussed on air currently. The question is: What are Jim and Jenny going to do about it? I have a daughter with autism who was diagnosed as 3. I would like for her to have the same treatment as Jenny's son had, but we cannot afford it. I need to know that, ok we know what the problem is, how can us lower-income folks get the same therapy for our children so that they can live productive lives?


karen   April 11th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

Vaccine's do cause autism in certain cases. Don't forget our pet's. I have a pup who was vaccine damaged and later cured through Homeopathy and diet change.


Tom   April 11th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

1 in 10,000 to 1 in ? drug companies a doctors first course of treatmentr seems to always be more drugs.


Ijaz S. Jamall, Ph.D., DABT   April 11th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

While the increase in incidence in cases of autism is real, the link to vaccines is spurious. Comparing the numer of vaccines taken in the US with the number taken in other "fisrt world" countries, means little, if the increase in the incidence of autism in all of these first world countries is similar.


Phrederic Dold   April 11th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

Old symptoms don't cause new disease. We don't have a cure for a single disease but we have a drug to treat everything. If the doctors can put my children on Ritilin at age 3 why can't we find a cure?

You wouldn't trust someone to inject a chemical into your children, so why do we trust a "doctor" to do the same? We trust the doctors too much without consideration of who makes the vaccine or who administers it.

A dog knows to eat grass when it is sick because of instinct but as humans our instinct is to go to a doctor and ask them what is wrong.

Phrederic Dold


Nancy Pieck   April 11th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

I have been a nurse for forty years and agree with the comment that money and greed driven by the pharmaceutical companies is a real problem. I work with the elderly and the number of medications they receive has tripled. Cheap, old effective drugs are dropped in favor of new very expensive ones.


Tanya   April 11th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

I'm due to give birth in September. What can I do to protect my baby after the baby's born to avoid a vaccine injury? Or is there nothing I can do?


Missy   April 11th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

I have read Jenny's book, and it was GREAT! I too have a son with autism. He is now 6, and doing well. I have tried numerous therapies that were not recommended by the main stream medical community. I am even a nurse and work with medicine, and there was just no information available to me for this child! It was sooo frustrating! I took it upon myself as a mother, and a nurse to find out everything that I could to help him, and to help me fight! That is just what we did too!

He is now a very active, healthy, social, little boy! He play soccor on Saturdays, jumps on the trampoline in the backyard, and loves playing with his siblings! He is learning to read in k'gden, and loving every minute of it.

I have no idea why this happened to my son, but he was fine at one point in life, and by the time he was 14 months old he was loosing any steps that he had gained. This does need to be stopped, and prevented if at all possible. I am thankful for all of the early interventions that my son recieved and the progress that he has made, but he still struggles, and always will.

Thank you Larry for bringing attention to this very important issiue that affects soo many of our innocent children! Thank you Jenny for your book as well!


Stuart   April 11th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Could you comment on the "Fever Cure" for autism?

Parents observed for years that some autistic children with fevers started acting normal but then regressed when the fever broke. Doctors refused for years to follow-up, but I believe a recent Hopkins study showed that this effect is real, but does anyone have an idea why a fever may "cure" autism in the short-term? It actually could support the idea that immune system reaction plays a role in autism (and therefore possibly vaccines).


Nikki   April 11th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Larry,
Sorry to bother you again.
Untreated Lyme can also be a contributing factor to ADD< ADHD..

Scientists are now certain that mothers can have LD without knowing it, and it can be transmitted to her fetus.

I am so passionate about this as are millions others, LD must always be ruled out. Lets educate our MDs and our public.
Thanx again for your efforts...in everything!
Nikki


Dianne   April 11th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

I'm in training to be a family nurse practitioner. I think it's intensely offensive to suggest that I don't have my patients' best interests at heart and that I am a pawn in some grand conspiracy concocted by vaccine manufacturers and the AAP.


Pennie Zonick   April 11th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

I heard the other day that they HAVE found that aspergers is caused from a vaccine, Is this true? I have a 15 year old daughter who suffers form this form of autism. I would love to see her cured, I pray for this. I have tried to talk to so many about this, only to get a deaf ear. Where can I go to find out ?


Dr. Vince denville, Nj   April 11th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Parents need to do their homework. Parents have a choice when deciding on their child's health. Take your time with vaccines, let human nature take its course. The immune system is pure when born, why bombard the body with foreign products so soon. Wait a few days/months/years before adding a vaccine. Why does a child need a Hepatits shot at two days old. Ask your doctor how is Hepatits spread? Does your newborn child at two days fall into that spectrum? Did you have the Chickenpox, you survived? kids need vaccines but not so many so soon. I believe there is a definite correlation between vaccines/autism.


Mike Szummer   April 11th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Larry – you should be commended for taking on the subject of autism and exposing the flaws in the medical system, and how they relate to autism.

I know for a fact that autism in CURABLE, however, this fact doesn't circulate to the parents of children in need because it is being supressed by the medical establishment.

I also wanted to pass on the fact that an alternative treatment by the name of NAET is extremely effective in treating autism. The founder of NAET CURED her own son of autism, and he's now a lawyer. I have also witnessed another child's condition dramatically improve over a 6 month period who was treated with NAET.

Mike Szummer
Toronto Canada.


Coach   April 11th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

i am due in June w/a baby boy, what vaccines should I NOT have him vaccinated with?


Dawn Cohen   April 11th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

It is so refreshing to hear your open and honest show about the dangers of vaccination. There have been so many people over the past 20 -30 years who have fought to get this information out, only to be squelched by big pharma. I'm actually surprised you are able to have this topic so honestly discussed. Thank you for listening and opening up to these views, there are too many people that this has happened to for it not to be real.
You're a maverick!


Melinda   April 11th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I wish you could meet my son. He is lucky enough to have Aspergers. At 10 he has taken it upon himself to educate his school and our community about what it is like to have autism. He wrote a little book called "Super Senses." He says autism is a gift. I have learned much from my son. He says his gifts in science and art, along with his ability to see our world in a different way, are his gifts from God. His job has become to help others understand autism. Through the eyes of a child.


Linda   April 11th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

They shove what they call "black labeled" drugs down him. They do not work. And the side affects can be very harmful to him. I worry about medicating him improperly. I am at my wits end and have no support system what so ever. My son is a handful and requires all my time. I need support and knowledge of resources available to help him and me too understand him. Please help!!


B.J.   April 11th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Carly,
Did you receive vaccinations? Do you still?


Laurie   April 11th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Would people just PLEASE listen! I support adults who have autism. If something isn't dont soon we will be supporting alot more. We need to look into what Jenny and Jim have discoved, and take it seriously. Thank you both so much.


Charlotte Hardy   April 11th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

In his book The Language of God, Dr. Francis Collins, the former director of the Human Genome Project, confessed that vaccines REARRANGE DNA, which might mean that medical doctors are all guilty of genetic genocide, along with the pharmaceutical companies that develop them, and governments that force them upon our children, AND soldiers.
Retribution anyone?


subhash Sinha   April 11th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Dear Larry,
It would be hard to believe that too many vaccination is not the cause of autism, and even many other autoimmune diseases. Indeed, the vaccination should be limited to only limited indications, which may not be treated otherwise.
Thanks,
Subhash Sinha


Nancy   April 11th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

More shows on this topic, and on brain injury in general PLS!! and on the conflict of interest so prevalent in the medical industry. Jim, Jenny and their reps all deserve our respectful attention. thank you, nnn


Micheal   April 11th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Autism is devastating, but so are hepatitis (B), mumps, measles, rubella, polio, zoster, and a host of other diseases for which there have been vaccines, with multiple studies performed demonstrating both effectiveness and safety.


Virendra Singh   April 11th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

We had epidemic like cholera, plague etc which have been almost eradicated with so little tool at disposal to the scientists in the past, where as with so much of advancement, tools at disposal eg computer etc medical science has not produced any medicine in last 2 decades which cures the disease vs medicines which you have to take for lifelong eg Blood pressure, Diabetes,arthritis...

I am not sure if its the lack of will, gred or commerce which controls this desire.


Nicola Royston   April 11th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I just had to finally give in and give my 5 year old the chicken pox vaccine because they wouldn't let him into public school without it. I hated that I was forced to give it to him! I am pregnant with my second child and want to thank you for the information of going back to the 1989 vaccine schedule. Sometimes it is hard to know where to start when it comes to your kid's health. Keep talking to the world Jim and Jenny!


Lance Orndorff   April 11th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Worry not, we the TV audience heard your autstic guest's digital message, and I agree 100%. She agrees with your guests that parents know better...and as long as there is a profit motive in medicine, bloated vacination schedules and more will block top-shelf health for our children and the public in general. I trust parents.


Marsha   April 11th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Hi Larry,

I am not sure what caused my child's condition. However, I am sharing my story because my daughter was autistic/autistic like, but she is high-functioning...I believe this is because the occupational therapist made the mistake of telling me that she is teachable. After also hearing that she learns from rote, I began the task of teaching her. She is now 27 years old, attends college, lives on her own with a roommate, works part-time, and is active in a faith-based organization. She is a beautiful girl who just wants to get on with her life. She, like other young adults, has view points that I don't agree with, but the important thing is that she realizes her views. I realize that she, like myself, has to live her life.

Marsha


M. Rose   April 11th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

When are people going to wake up the doctors do not want to cure people. Its too lucrative to just feed them pills.
Why don't you think we haven't cured cancer yet. With all the thousands of dollars spent on finding a cure they haven't yet. Its been how many years they have been studying cancer and they have solved only a few. Its a great money maker. Its just like the mess we are in now with the housing market, bank bailouts etc. Its all GREED peroid.
People now will do anything to get all they can and not cure or fix anythig. GREED, GREED GREED!


Nancy Gianioti   April 11th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

You said if Larry would to spend a day with your son he would not notice anything different. You said the autism is gone. What do you mean, gone? What sort of treatments did your son go through to make this possible?


Patti   April 11th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Hey Jenny & Jim,
First let me say THANK YOU SO MUCH, for everything you are doing for Autism! I just read your book Jenny and let me say I hate to read, but I could not put your book down. It was very inspirational and informative and made me see there is help and support out there. I have two children within the autism spectrum, my son, 7 and my daughter, 4. Keep up the great work.


Gina B.   April 11th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Jenny and JIm - I have a 4 1/2 year old son. I've just started the process to have him diagnosed. I receive your newsletter from your website Generation Rescue. I believe my son has PDD-NOS. I spaced out all of his vaccines. I feed him a diet of almost all organic foods and vitamins. What else can I do??? Please help. I'd like some more infomation.


Abdel wahaba   April 11th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

we are from Morocco we come to usa in 1999, first son was safe he did his vacine in Morocco , second one was normal until age of 15 months find out he has Autism , our big family in Morocco has more than 1000 childern non of them has this problem we are only family living in USA has son with autism. I am belive there is connection betwen Autism and vacine.


Sandra Rechisky   April 11th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Have you read the book by Dr Roger Kendall called Building Wellness with DMG? He believes that vaccines do contribute to autism.


Tyson Carter, D.C.   April 11th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Allowing families the right to CHOOSE to vaccinate is a right of mankind. As a chiropractor, I am asked about vaccinations all the time and my answer is always the same – get educated and make an informed decision (not a forced one).
Forceful vaccinations to children is abuse to our children.

There is also research that shows the correlation between asthma and allergies because of the introduction of vaccines and anti-biotics before the age of 2.


Frances Duggan   April 11th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

"Yay!" to Jenny and Jim for speaking their truth! There is a dialog that desperately needs to be held – and all too often the financial stakeholders (pharmaceutical companies, etc) succeed in being the dominant voice(s). it is well past time that all perspectives be not just allowed – but encouraged! Thank you Jenny and Jim for your passion, your steadfastness, and your courage! Let it be our greatest hope that the children of the future will be oh so much safer!


Sheila Spain   April 11th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I myself have read so much on what's in vaccines, and chose not to vaccinate our daughter. She's now 9 and healthy. Keep up the great work. and good luch to you and your son.


Ray Goodman   April 11th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Dr Rebecca Carley has been championing the cause of stopping the massive amounts of vaccines, and connecting the cause of autism to the vaccines.. Of course the medical community attacked her...Her belief is through vitamines and detox, autism can be reversed...Ray Goodman, Levittown, NY


Jill Kaeser   April 11th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I have a 9 month old baby boy. My husband and I turned down the hep b and rotovirus because we thought they were unnecessary. We also spaced out the shot schedule with the help of our pediatrician.

I commend the work Jenny and Jim are doing, however, I don't think we can blame the drug companies for placing ads in medical journals to try to sell their products. There is no clinical evidence to support that specific vaccines are to blame for autism.

Parents need to be vigilant and make decisions they feel are the right ones for their family.
Jill , Philadlephia PA


Robert A   April 11th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

First, It has been scientifically proven that there is absolutely no correlation between Vaccinations and Autism. Secondly, All vaccinations are very important to a child's health. You don't hear about a child dying from Autism, you hear about a child dying from Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox. Also a recent outbreak in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania at the Children's Hospital was due to a non native of the United States who carried the disease from another country, which contaminated 5 children at the hospital who parents decided not to vaccinate. Thirdly, when you have guests on your show that are not medical doctors, or who not have studied into the medical field to keep their comments limited to their knowledge. Don't attempt to be educated about a field where you have NO knowledge. Thank You.


Scott   April 11th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

As a medical student, I feel that whatever information is connected to the prevalence of autism, and its relationship to vaccination, it must be evidenced based. I appreciate hearing everyone's comments on the show, along with their personal testimony, but unfortunately personal testimony, (i.e. "lets just go back to an old schedule") clearly doesn't make sense at this point in time.


Saroj   April 11th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

very glad to see you giving much needed attention to the topic of Autism. I am surprised that McCarthy isn't familiar with the early work of the Kaufman's. They also cured their son decades ago. Raun is now an international speaker, writer and teacher for The Son-Rise Program at the Autism Treatment Center of America.


Marsha   April 11th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Hi again Larry. I forgot to say thank you so much for approaching this very important subject and for causing it to be dealt with respectfully.

Marsha


Joseph Ruotolo   April 11th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Thank you Jenny and Jim! It's just great seeing someone working so hard and dealing with this issue! God Bless!


Adele   April 11th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

My son has an autistic son. My daughter just had a child and was advised by my son, who is a doctor, to space her shots. Her doctor is telling her that she is seriously behind in her daughter's shots. Her doctor has scheduled her daughter to have shots every week to catch up. The doctor told my daughter that she is not doing her daughter justice and is at risk for getting disease. I dont' believe she should have these shots at this pace. Am I wrong. What immunization should they have and what does she avoid. I'm just the grandmother, very involved with my grandchildren, and Jenny, I believe in all that you say.


Jay   April 11th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Research in this country is always funded by research companies that have a stake in the outcome. Does this mean that all research is nonsensical ? Vaccines are safe – it has been proven time and again. That autism turns up in a kid who is vaccinated does not mean that the vaccine caused it. Just because a celebrity with half a brain brings it up does not mean it is true.

Jay


Juliana   April 11th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

There was an article on the New York Times recently about the rate of Autism in the Indian community. Do you know anything about this? Is there any research on genetic predisposition?


Alicia Peschiera   April 11th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Has anyone conducted a large scale study on autism among communities that do not use vaccinations, like the Amish, the tribal communities in the peruvian jungle or Brazil? Do it and you will most probably find that there is cero autism.
It is really unbelievable, but most, if not all, medicine manufacturing companies are in it for the money, not for what the good they can provide humanity. The prices on medicines are quite outrageous and always climbing, it is disgusting to make business with health issues.


David   April 11th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Where can we find a copy of the pre-1989 vaccine list that was apparently more effective.


shari adler   April 11th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

I work as a BSC in an inner city community.In the last 5 yrs.I have been assigned to at least 5 kids with autism between the ages of 7-9.None of their pediatricians or teachers have ever said to their parents that they needed to get extra support for their children or that they suspected autism in any way.How distressing!


Sue Ellen   April 11th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

It IS devastating – especially dealing with insurance companies, doctors, school systems – like it's not hard enough to deal with a special needs child!! Isn't there a way to create an agency that can direct parents? What do we do – how do we do it?

Plus – what do we have to do after changing their diets to gluten-free/casein-free? I've heard there's some supplements to go along with it... what's that all about and who are the doctors out there who help with this?


joni   April 11th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

I am a director at a Childcare learning center in Ga. I have seen a dramatic increase in children with autisim in the past 3 years. I am also the mother of two sons 28 and 30 years of age. When they were babies, Autisim was a rare diagnosis and they were given half the amount of vaccines that babies are required to have now. I have been thinking for a long time that our children are being given far too many vaccinations and truley believe that this is the reason for our autisim epidemic.


Calbear   April 11th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Hi Larry.

As somebody who's actually BEEN to medical school, I would like to say that I'm offended that Jenny and Jim are vilifying medical schools by saying that they're "controlled" by pharmaceutical companies. As somebody who works in an academic medical center affiliated with a major medical school, I can tell you that drug companies are currently being pushed out the door. They no longer provide pens, doodads, meals, or are even allowed in the door. Their blanket statement on this issue just goes to show how ignorant, inflammatory, and irresponsible their actions are. Little do they realize that the development of modern day vaccines are one of the major advancements in medicine and have helped avert a number of maladies including Polio, Measles and Mumps. While they have now somewhat changed their prior message of "no vaccine" to "revert to prior standards", the message the lay public gets is to avoid them all together.

At this point, I think the responsible thing to do would be to say that we just don't know. While there is evidence on one side of the issue implicating certain vaccines, there is also conflicting data saying that interventions are in fact not the cause of autism. We should thus push for more research into autism and the possible causes, rather than implicating these live saving interventions and thus decreasing the vaccination rate.


Lorraine Pearson   April 11th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

I believe that there are many contributing factor's to autism and parents want answers but to say that one thing causes autism like vaccines is so very wrong when we consider the lives that have been saved due to vaccines. There are risks with all things. Lets get serious about research unstead of getting on some "band wagon" that is not based on credible research. Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey are both very visable people who can get people who are not informed all worked up over something that they do not understand. There shouldn't be a controversy over this issue. We should be working together to get some answers.


Michelle   April 11th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

I think the vaccines are a type of assault on the child's brain. Based on prenatal teratogens that may have been present prior to birth, each child's brain and immune system respond differently to the vaccines. My son has high functioning autism. He is 8. I DID NOT allow him to have the MMR combo shot becuase I was informed. However, I did let him have his other vaccines beginning at 2 months, and I began noticing there were issues at 6 months. He was admitted to the ER at 8 months for ataxia, he was constantly running high fevers, and became developmentally delayed...I think the vaccines are the tipping point, but it starts with the environment, and prenatal teratogens that are present prior to birth


Lauren   April 11th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

I want to applaud Jim and Jenny for giving a face and voice to this issue. It helps to legitimize the movement to have recognizable and well spoken individual at the fore front of this conversation. I want to whole heartedly agree with what Jim and Jenny said regarding parents "over-reacting" and not giving any vaccines. My daugher is 2 1/2 and has only received the DT vaccine ( i couldn't get just tetnus locally). I would like to vaccinate her for polio but feel it is in her best interest not to do so unless they can clean the vaccines up. Vaccination decisions can't be based on the CDC reccommendations as they are biased and profit based. To make my decision I looked at many factores including where we live, the fact that nursed her until 20 months, and the fact that she wasn't in a day care setting. Another thing to consider is that chicken pox, measles, mumps, and ruebella are not really that dangerous if contracted as children. What is happening now is vaccines are failing are wearing off and people are getting these diseases when they are older and the diseases are more dangerous. I will choose to vaccinate my children when there are safe vaccines...period. Also I will only follow a schedule that makes sense for my child, not a blanket decision made by the drug companies.


carla   April 11th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

I have been treating my son for 7 years biomedically. IT WORKS. These kids can and DO get better. I am 100% certain vaccines and more can trigger Autisum when there is a predisposition. All these kids have certain things things in common. We can heal them!!!


Lori   April 11th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

No one can convince me that vaccinations did not cause my sons autism, specifically the MMR vaccine. He lost all eye contact and displayed text book symptoms directly after that vaccine. My son is severely autistic, non-verbal and displays self injurious behaviors. When my second son was born, I refused to follow the protocol for vaccinations and thankfully, I had a doctor to respect my wishes. His vaccinations were spaced out and to this day, he has yet to receive the MMR. He is fine. I believe there is something pre-disposed in some children and the shots trigger the symptoms.


Mary   April 11th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

I have been an special education teacher for 16 years. I have seen a sharp increase of autism in the past 16 years. I went from zero children w/ autism my first 10 years of teaching to now 5 students in 4th and 5th grade alone. Several are not diagnosed but have characteristics on the spectrum. Something has to be happening to cause this drastic change in the number of students...the only explination I get from the educational system is that it has been around but not diagnosed. Not so sure about that? I wish there was something I could do as an educator make recommendations...something to help both the kids and parents.


Marilyn   April 11th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

We want to resume vaccinations slowly, one by one, for our 5 year old autistic son but now our pediatrician tells us he can no longer get single dose vaccines. He says that Merck has stopped making them and they are the only supplier. Is this true and if it is, can we go to another country to have him vaccinated?


Julie K.   April 11th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

I understand that there are certain children who have adverse reaction to vaccines, but jut because america is giving a cocktail doesn't mean that the VACCINES are the reason for autism.
If you would like to find out if it is the vaccines or vaccines gone wrong is the reason, get some parents consent to do a clinical trial with their children. Have several groups, one that gets all of the vaccines and several others that only gets only some of the vaccines.
If it IS the vaccines, then those groups with only certain vaccines would have a lesser percentage of autistic children. If not, then we all should start looking for something other than those vaccines.

Also....the reason that the percentage of autistics have risen in the past 30 years is because our understanding of what autism is is much better. So, instead of thinking you have an antisocial child, you have an autistic child. There are different kinds and levels of autism which the medical community knows of now that 30 years ago, no one had any clue existed.


Marie   April 11th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Thanks for standing up against the "GREED" of the system. If enough parents hear about this and refuse all but the important vaccinations, the problem can be solved without the drug companies consent.


Janell   April 11th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

My son was born in Europe and there were half as many vaccines required during his first 3 years of life. After returning to the USA, the remainder of the vaccines were required in order for him to attend school in Indiana. I disagree with many of the vaccines and thank you for the information you are sharing to help make our country more aware of the decisions that are being made on behalf of our children.


Phrederic Dold   April 11th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

We most likely will never find a cure for autism or even cancer because it will lead to the cause and the cause is most likely understood by our government.


Mary   April 11th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

i was hoping my comments was still listed. mds are really afraid to speak against each other even when your health is at stake !!
a RN


paul niewierowski   April 11th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I am a father of two autistic boys one son is high functioning and the has severe autism.I believe if I had Jim and Jenny money my children would be better
served.


T Rubin   April 11th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I adopted my son adn did a very slow regiment of vaccines and started after he was 10 months old. He is almost 6 now and I still don't have him caught up...on purpose. I wokr with my pediatrician who gets that I hate this and he only pushes me towards the ones he believes are needed. I have to do it for school admission but I am so against vaccines to the degree we give them now. I feel so pushed into doing this and I want to stop. Is there a religious or social conscious protest I can claim to keep himin school but stop the vaccines?


Howard McLean   April 11th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Not only is autism curable but all diseases are. The human body is capable of healing itself. It merely needs the tools to do so. There is plenty of scientific and medical proof of this fact. Drugs are typically invasive and harmful. They do not cure. Bravo Jim and Jenny!
I personally know people who have overcome disease through diet and cleansing. It is a matter of understanding the needs of the body and that which is harmful to it. The medical system by and large is not in the practice of prevention and treatment through natural means.
In contrast, when a species of life in the wild is in group endangerment or trauma, the biologists typically look in two areas first: environment and food chain. They look for harmful toxins. The answer also typically lies in removing the toxins. Science is not consistent. It does not always follow its own wisdom or make consistent use of its own research and findings. This is simple biology. It's not rocket surgery! ( Jim might enjoy that quote ) sincerely, Howie in Canada


John Tracy   April 11th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

When will America wake up and run these drug companies out on a rail.
Good for you Jim and Jenny for using your celebrity status to make the public know how we are being over medicated.

Thanks,

John


Lynne Wagner   April 11th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Please elaborate more on the GFCF diet that you have implemented with your son. I have neurogenic celiac disease. There is ONE protein on the perkinje cell of the cerebellum that very strongly mimics gliadin. When this autoimmune disease is developed, it destroys that particular protein and interrupts cerebellar transmission. There is a definite CAUSATION that has been found regarding this through a now seven-year long series of studies in the United Kingdom.

After I began a gluten-free lifestyle - not just "eating gluten-free food" (very different, and requires an enormous amount of dedication), my great neice and great nephew - both autistic - began GFCF. The progress they have made since is nothing less than remarkable.

I have been very concerned with regard to my granddaughter's vaccination schedule, and my daughter has been very scrutinizing with regard to its implementation. She has undergone the "wrath" of the medical community, I believe, but still stands firm with regard to not innundating her with vaccines during each visit.


Ganga   April 11th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Hello, guys. I'm a mother of a 21 year old autistic son. Is there anything that can be done for him at this stage of his life?


Rhonda   April 11th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

This isn't related to autism, but immunization. I allowed my son to have all the recommend vaccines including the chickenpox vaccine, now my 11 year old has shingles, luckily a very mild case, but I was never told that he could get shingles after having the vaccine, his doctor told us that he was the second case that day, maybe this is something that should be brought to the attention of the public


Ryan   April 11th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

ive been applying ABA therapy to a certain group of kids for 5 years and theyve made huge improvements. When did jim carrey and jenny mcarthy become the leading experts on autism? that kid isn't even low functioning. Youve got to remember since weve become better at diagnosing autism, that diagnosis of MR went down 50 percent. since the spectrum broadend it now includes severe adhd. Do alittle research on kids with severe autism and everything thats been tried on them. its 50/50 either homeopathic meds kill them or give them a slight dealing with their symptoms. there is no cure


Barbara Mitchell   April 11th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

My grandaughter has been diagnosed asa Autistic. It is very difficult to find doctors who are willing to take insurance for treatment. We have her in a "special" school for children with special problems. She spends most of her day in "time out" and they have not been able to work with her. One adaptatation was to shorten her day. Punishment such as "time out" does not work. We are at aloss as to what to do to help our grandaughter.


Nancy   April 11th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

I am concerned that Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy's crusade against vaccines may promote a potential for harm amongst our children. This year is the first year in decades that we are seeing child death due to H. Influenza, a vaccine preventable death because the children were not immunized. Do you think the parents of these children will ever forgive themselves for not vaccinating? I am concerned that as less children get immunized, we will see more serious illnesses and death due to vaccine preventable diseases. Will Jenny take responsibility for that or will she blame the AAP for that as well? I hope we can find a cause as well as cure for Autism so that this vaccine debate will finally put to rest!


Lucinda Gray   April 11th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

The drug companies are not the only ones that need to be looked at about their role in this. Our school system profits greatly from labeling a child as "austistic" or some other form of "handicap ". Perhaps you should look at the difference in the amount of public funding that a school received per "handicapped" child vs what they get for a "normal" student. And if you truly think that the extra money goes into special equipment or programs then you need to spend a day in the public schools here in Texas.

Greed doesn't reside just on Wall Street or in the medical fields.


Karen   April 11th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Thank you Jenn and Jim, for helping get an important message out there!


Patricia Nunez-Hernandez   April 11th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

As a parent of a child with autism it is heartbreaking to hear "experts" that don't live with autism tell us that our search for recovery is not possible. Our children are merely case numbers to you and you medical degrees and be experts in anything under the sun BUT I am the only Winston expert. My voice counts in this discussion and it is absurd that experts will not engage in a discussion about what can be done instead they want us to go out and buy their next medication. It is shameful that parents are removed from the conversation and made to seem irrational and overemotional. I COMMEND JENNY & THE DOCTORS AND JIM FOR STEPPING UP FOR US ALL!!!


Amy   April 11th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Please let your viewers know that there IS RESEARCH showing a link between current vaccination schedule and autism spectrum disorders, including high incidence of adhd, asthma, and allergies. These studies can be found on Jenny's website Generation Rescue and at Autism Research Institute website associated with biomedical treatment with the DAN! (Defeat Autism Now!) approach to healing autism spectrum disorders. I am so sick and tired of hearing skeptics say there is no scientific research to back up the claims Jenny and the good doctor are making!!!!


Michelle   April 11th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Please watch "Unlocking Autism" on Discovery Health. It was on earlier this week, and I'm sure it will repeat several times over. If you can't see it there, contact the UC Davis MIND Institute and they will help you to acquire a copy. It is very informative, and a helpful tool to parents with children with autism and autism spectrum disorders. Jenny's book is very informative as well...


Silvia Grace   April 11th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

I still do not understand...Something have to be causing this, but why the idea that vaccine is the cause...How can vaccine cause people get autism when usually the children with autism are mostly boys and both sex have the same vaccine... is it something to do with the boys DNA or RNA...I have a nephew with autism and even do my sister also almost believe vaccine may have something to do with it, it's still not so clear...I guess this will still be a pandora box...


Lynn   April 11th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

My grandson is 7 years old and is autistic. I would love to get Jenny's book. We need help.


Dr. Khan   April 11th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

You are not presenting the two sides of the issue

you are hurting children by puting these ignorant celebrities on TV and giving them a voice to spread lies about vaccines


Denise   April 11th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

Rotavirus is a serious problem, not a "diareah" problem that only affects 3rd world countries, as Jenny advocates. it kills hundreds of children every year in the U.S. My 11th month old spent his first Christmas in the hospital close to a coma and was saved due to fate alone – he had gone from healthy to having flu symptoms on a flight to Houston and deteriorated so quickly with dehydration that we were told it was too risky to fly him to the nearby Children's Hospital/ Thus, he was treated and saved in a rural hospital that scrambled to obtain a needle small enough to fit his tiny veins. Finally, a local nurse from a ped office arrived with a needle and he was saved. Upon return from the trip, i read that a child here in So. Cal named Cody, had not been so lucky. HIS parents were sent from their local E.R. to drive the distance to the Children's Hospital. A delay, that cost poor Cody his life. He died in his carseat while his parents raced to the hospital. He, like my son, had been showing symptoms for only a few hours with all efforts to hydrate him failing. This is a serious disease, it happens here to upper middle class (clean water access) families. every Christmas i think of that little family who lived through the same circumstances that we did, but with such a sad and tragic ending. My second son was vaccinated with the rotavirus vaccine.


TRACEY   April 11th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

I was wondering if anyone had any new information about the single dose MMR. I was informed that MERK stopped making the single dose My son is 15 months and is due for the shot this year. It upsets me that MERK stoped making the single dose and is forcing us to give the MMR shot and not spilt them up


Harvey Caplan, M.D.   April 11th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

With all due respect, Jenny McCarthy, Jim Carrey, Doctor Kartinzel, and J.B. Handley are wrong–even dangerous. It is so easy to see conspiracies everywhere, and to generalize from one's own personal, limited experience. While one might debate the timing and neccessity for the many indicated childhood vaccinations, modern medicine is based on the sound application of objective research principles. Countless well-designed studies have consistently demonstrated no connection between autism and vaccination, whereas the serious societal dangers of these many uncontrolled, otherwise untreatable infectious diseases have been well established. While healthy eating and vitamins may be good for other reasons, they do not and will not prevent the serious, society-wide, threatening diseases that we vaccinate for–and these diseases are , once again, on the rise, and far more dangerous to the lives and well being of our young ones. How can we justify giving a public forum to these purveyors of ignorance?


DAN FITCH   April 11th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

Drug companies are much like credit card companies in that the only thing that matters to them is money, not the best interests of the public good. Shame on them both.
Do you honestly think that the drug companies want anyone to know that Autism can be prevented or reversed?? Cancer.......I suppose they really want to see that one go away too, right? Disgusting!!


Stephen   April 11th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Jim and Jenny, Thank-you for bringing this topic the attention it deserves and delivering such a balanced message. I am from Melbourne Australia and have a nine month old baby boy just going through the vaccine schedule. I have always questioned the need some of the vaccines that are meant to protect against the most obscure illnesses. If there is even the slightest chance of these vaccines increasing the risk of autism why not err on the side of safety? From the figures discussed on tonight's show it seems there is a potential correlation to increase the changes of autism at a rate significantly higher than the changes of the disease the vaccine is protecting against. Is it just me or is this logic flawed? I will certainly be reviewing my son’s the vaccine schedule moving forward and making an informed choice.


Jim   April 11th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Autism is one of the high profile afflictions that draws more to satisfy the greed of the drug companies and the doctors, but it is the entire industry that is out of greed control. They control Congress and have controlled Presidents like Bush.

I'm 63, retired and living in the Philippines. Most over the counter medicine sold here that you can get in the US is much cheaper and it is safe. We need to boycott one drug company at a time and we need Obama to champion our cause.


Linda   April 11th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

My son has received treatement for autism from Dr Michael J Goldburg, Tarzana , CA for 10 years. Dr Goldburg gets 25 blood tests done before he takes a child for treatment. He has believed Austism is treatable and curable just like Jenny's Dr. for over 20 years. Dr Goldburg checks the immune system. He also believes in giving vacines just not all at once. The diet is also very important. The first thing we did was take Aaron off of bovine dairy and he started talking unprompted within 24 hours. My son has a GPA of 3.6 in regular ed classes. With the proper treament these childeren CAN be cured. Kuddos to Jenny for taking a stand and like me believing in her child.


Gabi   April 11th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Hi Jenny and Jim,
You go guys! I hope your campaign will help more Americans realize, that we are a less healthy nation than other western nations partly because of the pharmaceutical industry. Keep pushing pediatric doctors till they smarten up. Thanks for your strength and persistence. Your efforts will benefit all of us, who , at some point, will need to rely on the health care system.


therese gonzalez   April 11th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

FINALLY....parents are waking up and getting concerned about all these vaccines being 'recommended' by doctors.....Shameful to have GREED become a slogan for 2009.... GREED in the financial communities and now GREED in the medical community.


Reyhan Berkel   April 11th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

As Jenny mentioned, the number of children known to have autism has increased dramatically since the 1980s. Is this partly due to changes in diagnostic practices, and that we are able to diagnose more autism today than we did in the past? Or is the actual prevalence of autism has increased?
thank you
reyhan berkel


judi   April 11th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

these 'expert's' that are dismissing vaccines really need to take a closer look – It is the mercury, not the vaccine itself which is a problem. with the MMR, it may be just too much live vaccine for these little bodies to handle – 2 MMR vaccines are required in the vaccination schedule – this is because 5% of the population may not build the proper antibodies – because of that 5%, 95% are given unnecessary boosters, why?? the almighty dollar. There was a hearing on vaccines and autism in 2002 where both the FDA and CDC were invited. The CDC did not even bother to show up and the girl from the FDA stuttered and could not make an intelligent rebuttal to the panel of 3 testifying in front of congressional committee holding the hearing –


Anita   April 11th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

It is unbelievable that in this country there is an acceptable level of damage to children for the 'greater good'. This is totally unacceptable. Check out VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System). What incentive do pharmaceutical companies have to make a better vaccine? Regardless of whether it is related to autism or not, and really until they can tell me what DOES cause it, everything is suspect in my mind, vaccines in general need to be looked at and made more and more safe until people damaged by vaccines is just a horrid memory.


Dr. khodadoust   April 11th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

Dear larry,
Hyperbaric oxygen therapy publication in bmc pediatrics, double blind study!


Joseph Cantu   April 11th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Being in Health Administration studies I have learned much about many aspects of healthcare. It seems to me that physicians are the the sole problem on why America has not advanced in healthcare from opposing universal healthcare becuase of pay cuts to the ordering of unneeded procedures which put many families into uneeded debt. Yes, the scope is much larger than the examples I used, but they are real. Why wouldn't we want to cure autism and change thousands of kid's lives around the world? Some say there might be a cure for cancer, but the cure is withheld because businesses are probably going to lose money for highly expensive cancer treatments. Someone please tell me what this country is coming to regarding healthcare.


Debbie Kelly   April 11th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Hi Jenny & Jim. I just read your book, "Louder than Words" & it was absolutely amazing. I finished it in 2 days. My son was diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome at 9 years of age after several misdiagnoses. Your story was truly inspirational & I, too, believe that recovery IS possible. I have wanted to contact you to thank you for all you do & for giving parents real hope. Thank you & God Bless you for all your continued work.


Seye   April 11th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

There is no cure for autism. People with autism can improve significantly with proper treatment. A child with autism learns best in well organized environment with single specially trained teacher. The two treatments used most often include educational or behavior treatment and medication.Some of the treatments used include training in music, listening,vision,speech, and language.Special diets may also be prescribed.


David   April 11th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Can anyone find me a non-vaccinate child that has autism? I am talking NO vaccines. How about in undeveloped countries. What is their rate of autism?


Ivel   April 11th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

Thank you so much for not being scared to face off with the medical doctors. My daughter is trying to get grants and scholarships for her 4 year program and the government does not accept alternative medicine as being a doctor. Please help students that want to attend Natural Pathec Medical schools. There are only 5 medical schools in the US and 2 in Canada. The cost for a 4 year program is over 100K
My daughter was awarded first place for her breast cancer research.
In California there are many ND.s They spend an average of one to two hours with their patients.
Thank you Jim and Jenny for your loud voice to the AAP!


Maria Gutierrez   April 11th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

My son is 19 yrs old now, he was born January 3, 1990. I noticed so many things about my son when he was three and after. His speech, we could not understand his words, he spoke a little clearer about at 5 yrs old. But he still said take instead of cake. He said bleep instead of sleep. Kids did not want to play with him. In fourth grade up he was teased unmercifully, because he was different. In middle school he was so behind (at a second grade level) by the time he entered his sophmore year he begged me to take him out of school. Two years later (present day) he is not social, productive or interested in life. He only socializes with a few close friends and his brothers. He is not close to me, his grandmother or his uncles and his dad. All that I have read about autism I know my son has all of the symtoms. I never really felt like he loved me. I had so much patience. I asked all the doctors we saw they just told me not to worry. That he would outgrow this, that he would catch up ...he never did. I feel like I did a disservice to my son all this years. I was not aggressive enough with these doctors. Is it too late for my son.


Joel   April 11th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

Hmm. Well here's the thing. Yes we need vaccines definitely – but at a certain point – it's not everything that should require or even warrant vaccines. Take rotavirus for example. It's the leading cause of severe diarrhea among young children and infants. That's severe diarrhea, not death. This is part of life as everyone is infected with it at least once before 5 years old – and we get immunity and doesn't even bother adults. So to be finding vaccines for things like that – it's like Mr. Carrey said it's a good thing gone too far. Hepatitis B vaccines given in the delivery room – that's way too early for something affecting basically in the 4th and 5th decade of life.


Saima R   April 11th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

We are very interested in this topic. Our 2.5 yr old child, born in Mesa, AZ was recently diagnosed with being mildly autistic. We are Americans of South Asian origin living in Taiwan. So when we researched we found an amazing number of families with autistic children. We do agree with Jim and Jenny that the prevalence rate has got to be higher than 1 in 150. we also believe that autistic tendencies triggered in our child when he received the MMR vaccine at 18 months. He lost eye contact and language soon thereafter. We also believe that he is getting better – may be his body is "cleansing" the toxins. Congratulations on bringing attention to this epidemic! Only on LKL can we expect this kind of attention.


Ryan   April 11th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

hey amy you should do a broader research study because mine has been over 5 states in different regions, what do you have to say about the kids that arent cured? kids with severe behavioral issues? how do you want to deal with them?


Yana Sorsher MSW, RCSWI, Neurofeedback Specialist   April 11th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Neurofeedback (brain-wave training) is a proven treatment for Autistic children. Parents can also find therapists to help their autistic children on EEG Spectrum as well. I personally had several patients with autism who regained eye contact, communication and were able to go from Special Needs classes to Gifted programs within their schools.


Lori   April 11th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Are there kids with autism that have never been vaccinated? If so, wouldn't that be the vaccine companies best defense to say autism has nothing to do with vaccines?


David DiMenichi   April 11th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

I think Aspertame should be looked at as a possible cause of autism. It seems there is a strong relation to the increase of autism matching the heavy use of aspertame starting in the mid to late 80's. There is a documentary on the documentary channel called sweet surprise and it talks about how the negative affects on the brain occur and how many other serious health affects that were surpreesed before aspertame going on the market.


Alisha   April 11th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Ganga, I fully understand where your coming from. We parents with older children/young adults need hope as well. We are a retired military family. My son was moved every couple of years his entire life he's now 17. The military is finally starting to recognize autism and if you can prove that your child is progressing in his/her current program they won't move you. Of all the states we lived in NORTH CAROLINA provided him the most help...

We have 2 other children both girls, one of which we are putting through college. We are paying $65 hr for speech therapy for our son. Our insurance won't cover anything.... we are currently in southern california and the regional center doesn't provide our son with anything.

Where do you live and are there programs for you son once he isn't school age anymore??


cwmd   April 11th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Autism probably had many causes; vaccines, pesticides and other environmental factors.

If you go the NIH – Pub Med site a search the effects of pesticides on brain growth factors you will find most studies cite a significant reduction of growth factors in developing brains.


Ronda   April 11th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

With the rate of autism affecting 1 in every 150 children, besides vaccines, what about the all the preservatives in the food we eat or in the water we drink? There's got to be some common denominator affecting all of these children.


Dr Mark Hayden   April 11th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Hey Ryan ,
My son went from diagnosis of autism to performing in 34% on receptive speech (with 50% being average) .The progress was made in one year. My approach was radically different but far more successful than any other case I know of or read of .

Mark Hayden MD


angela   April 11th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

I am in the process of recovering with my son who has autism. I just wish there is more being done here in Canada. It would be great if Jenny would come here and talk about her journey. I hope to one day be the one to say that autism is treatable.


Dr. khodadoust   April 11th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

I agree, Lets move, time is wasting! Kids need help, and the school districts are putting kids in instituation with drugs to calm them!


Ronald Vanderhoff   April 11th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

I have a question : could autism be related to epilepsy or to medication for epilepsy ?

When my wife was pregnant I still used such medication.

I have a daughter of 15 who is diagnosed as autistic.......

Ronald
Rotterdam, The Netherlands


Tim   April 11th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Jenny, I understand your concern seeing you are directly influenced by autism, however you are endangering childern by preaching about not getting immunized. Find some credible doctors to support your ideas. Until that time you are jeoprodizing innocent children.


Calbear   April 11th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

Cudos my butt. Instead of spewing inflammatory and divisive words about an issue that has not been definitively studied, Jenny and Jim should put their money where their mouth is and fund a case controlled, double blinded study looking into autism. Two arms-similar demographics that would eliminate confounding factors, and compare one group of kids who got vaccines, and another group of kids who got all the vaccines. Then follow them for 48 months and see who has the signs/symptoms of autism. They could also do a crossover arm with kids who don't get the vaccine initially and then get them later and see what happens. To just go out there and start spewing nonsense that is not evidence based is irresponsible and dangerous.


Rose Marie Muhl   April 11th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

Larry,
Dr. Wiznitzer was one of my son"s doctor – It took one and a half years to get in to see him – he was considered the expert. He did not help my son. He dismissed me from his office by saying my child was hyperactive. Then I took him to Cleveland Clinic and the doctors there – neurologist diagnosed him with PDD-nos – he is on the spectrum-but no clarity about healing or what to do. The diagnosis was for the school to help him, otherwise no help was available when he entered school. I would love to see the good doctor on the debate at the same time as the other doctors who have first hand experience living with this disorder. Let Dr. Wiznitzer know he has doubted sincerity – the ten minutes he gave me in the office after waiting over was a disgrace.


Shawna   April 11th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

I have two questions.

The first, Pennsylvania being mentioned, what is the autism rate amongst the more seclude or isolated groups v. the general public. I am thinking the Amish here–no immunizations, yet they tend to stay fairly homogenous and to themselves.

Second, if a specific vaccine is suspect at a specific age, can the particular vaccine be administered at a later date and we can see if the rates go down, stay the same or the rates tend to follow the administration of the vaccine regardless of age?


Calbear   April 11th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Woops. One arm of kids–no vaccine, vs the second arm, all vaccines.


Katya   April 11th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

This is a great topic. But we should stop prescribing medications to our children. I have researched Neurofeedback which is a proven treatment for autism as well as other neurological disorders. Neurofeedback has no side effects unlike medications which can have serious side effects. My best friend has a child who has worked with this treatment and it's amazing to see the change in him.


Suzanne   April 11th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Thank you Larry for continuing your coverage of autism and for having Jenny McCarthy on again tonight. The CDC's coverup of vaccines' being the obvious cause of the huge increase in autism is despicable. Keep showing Jenny & Jim – they are right, and the established medical "experts" are covering up something really, really big.


John Tracy   April 11th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

The Dr's are scared of there jobs because they know who writes there paycheck the drug companies.

John


Amy   April 11th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

My family has been affected by autism, as many families throughout the world. My 9-year-old nephew as Asperger's Syndrome and my 3-year-old nephew has a more severe form and does not speak but a few words. I hope this research will help families, like mine, help their children and prevent it from happening to others, that is if that is possible. My nephew with Aspberger's Syndrome has done a complete turnaround since he began taking a number of medications and my other nephew has made some progress due to a special school that he attends. It's just surprising to me there is now a special school for children with autism in the town where they live, which only has about 150,000 people. I am 30 years old, but I do not remember children while I was going to school who had autism. It just seems as if there are so many other medical conditions now that there must be something that is causing it.


Ingrid Shaik   April 11th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Im Mother of two Asperger Sindrome a 9 year old and 6 year old
We tried the free gluten diet and put them trhu a hard and difficult diet for almost 8 months with no results but very thin kids ( I m not a doctor but refused to believe of vaccine causing the problem my 9 year old has and IQ of 135 has habbits like reading a dictionery we
live in a 3rd world country like Venezuela but has worked watching
info from people like Doctor Attwood and from kids that tell there
story in you tube I recomend also medication that help control
ansiety


Sherry Blau   April 11th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

My son was a perfectly normal baby. He had his shots on his first birthday and everything changed. I tried from 1 month after the shots to get help, to have someone see the difference, to get help for my beautiful little boy. Our pediatrics doctor, voted Pediatrician of the year twice, wanted to have him committed at the age of seven because he and other doctors had no clue as to what was wrong. Our pharmisist was the one that finally steered us in the right direction, he said that the meds he was on were not helping because they were just trying different recipes at our sons expense. Joshua was diagnoised with Aspergers in January of 2008 and life has gotten so much better. When the news came out that the shots were the cause of the increase in Autism I received dozens of calls from people that I told from the start that the shots had done this. I cried, I knew I was right.


Mack D Jones, MD, SAAN   April 11th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Autism is caused by Obstructive Sleep Apnea (OSA) until proven otherwise, in my opinion. Unrecognized, the disorder causes axonal injury (white matter strokes) as shown and can be seen only by MRI-DTI images as in Sleep, July 1, 2008. Prefrontal, temporal and parietal lesions are likely responsible for the behavior and seizures. These lesions are amenable to treatment as Jim and Jenny have so heroically demonstrated.
Their opinion of the medical profession being in bed with the pharmaceutical companies is justified to some extent, but vaccines are not the cause. If every child were monitored for sleep apnea and treated with PAP when needed there would be no autism... Now let's see some studies that either prove or disprove my theory. It should be relatively easy to do.


Amanda   April 11th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

My career has allowed me to work with many children that have Autism. First and foremost, I'd like to say that I adore each and every one of them! Every single day is a joy and I love what I do. I don't believe there has been a child that has "recovered" from Autism, but I would really like to emphasize the benefits to ABA (Applied Behavior Analysis). The children that have gone through our programs with Applied Behavior Analysis, have showed significant improvement in skills across the board. We have hard data to back up that ABA works. My advice is to stop focusing so much on how vaccines could potentially be harmful and figure out ways to make Early Intervention services more affordable for families.


Joseph   April 11th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

My son Joseph has Autism and we are realy torn to see this beautiful young 5 year old boy go through this. It si just harsh ordeal to go through


Frantz Meronvil   April 11th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Great Show King,

My question is: why can’t parents have longer time to complete the list of shots a child must take? I have no autism children, but I am also concern about the rush to apply all these shots in such a short time.


Jenny   April 11th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I also agree with Jenny and Jim. My son began having seizures at age 15 months. This was after receiving a round of his vaccinations. He was diagnosed with Austism 4 or 5 months after that. We did not continue with his vaccinations. He is now a happy and healthy 9 year old who has seemed to outgrow his Autism symptoms after many years of occupational therapy. The symptoms gradually disappeared when we stopped the vaccination schedule they were keeping. Can't wait to read the book!!


Dan   April 11th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

My wife and I have a 22 month old boy. Before he was born, we decided to not vaccinate. Our Pediatrician practice refused to continue seeing us as their client. They asked us to leave the practice. Saying they could not keep us unless we followed thier rules of vaccinations.
Needless to say we are no longer with that practice.
My concern is the doctors and the healthcare companies who pay thier salaries. If they rock the boat then they might not get paid. On a similar note maybe the doctors lawyers are afraid of a lawsuit if they do not insist on mandatory vaccinations. My concern is the semmingly comman practice of keeping the insurance companies and lawyers happy while making a profit. My trust in the healthcare system is waning fast.


Kristina   April 11th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

The vaccination debate has been raging for years. I have a severley autistic nephew. I myself have vaccinated, but not on the schedule that my dr recommended. My 2 yr old still doesnt have his MMR. I will allow it at his 3 year check up. My question is: Are there any known cases of children with autism who have never been vaccinated?


kathy   April 11th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

This is absurd. You mean to tell me that a women, without any medical or research background, came up with a cure in such a short time? She has not cured anything but found a regime that suits her son's symptoms. It sounds like he was mis-disgnosed in the begining and now the illness has recided or lay dormant. We the other millions of parents of autistic children that have tried everything that has come up, be it medical, holistic or even religous, find it insulting that she can state such a claim. What she really needs to do is question the individuals involved that diagnosed her son in the begining.


Roxanne   April 11th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Has there been any research on the rates of pre scheduled labor inductions and autism ? In addition to the increase in vaccines, there is an increase in inductions.


Susan Nicholls   April 11th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

I hope that further consideration will be given to the haemophilus influenzae (h flu) vaccine by those considering refusing vaccinations for their children. My son contracted h flu meningitis when he was 8 months old. Thanks to excellent care by his pediatricians, the nurses, and the physical, occupational and speech therapists who worked with him for a year after he was discharged, he had no long-term sequelae.
This occurred about 18 months before the vaccine was available. If it had been available, I would certainly have had him vaccinated.


Lauren   April 11th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

I am also concerned with people saying that there is no evidence that proves that vaccines cause autisim. There is also NO evidence that vaccines DON'T cause autism, asthma, and allergies. Just like there was NO evidence that smoking cigarettes caused someones lung cancer so Big Tobacco was able to say their products were safe...causality is very difficult to prove and just because it can't be proven doesn't mean vaccines are safe. Also to comment on the idea that information regarding vaccine safety should be evidence based before it is acted on, I asked...shouldn't that go both ways? Shouldn't it be evidence based that our current vaccine IS safe before we act on it by following it? For example the HPV vaccine ahsn't been proven to be safe for anyone under that age of 18 yet were are giving it to 9 year olds.


Fragile X   April 11th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Dr Winstez from Rainbows Childrens Hospital is wonderful!
But when they bring up Austism would like them to say something about Fragile X.

Fragile X


Jill   April 11th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Thank you Dr. Healy for strongly stating that more research needs to be done and that both sides need to shake hands and get started. Thank you Jim Carrey and Jenny McCarthy for bringing light onto this very important issue.
Some vaccines are safe and effective and others are not. Thousands of children have been injured or killed by vaccines. Our children are not soldiers against diseases. Stop "herd immunity". Vaccines are not for every child. Research needs to be done to make vaccines safe and to determine which ones are not safe for some people.


Gerald Munn, M.D. retired   April 11th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

1. Autism rates have increased with illicit drug useage.
2. An association between marijuana and chromosomal abnormalities has been reported, as has a Non-Achievement Syndrome.. Chromosomes carry genes.
3. An insecticide once used to promote marijuana growth has been found to be harmful to people.
4. How many parents who have used marijuana, and other illicit drugs, have autistic children?


Joyce Thompson   April 11th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

I have a 37 yr old son with autism. He was diagnosed at 4 yrs old. At 2 1/2 he started to say a few words and then stopped. I don't believe it has to do with vaccination's. I think it is more to chromosone imbalance. He has limited language capabilities. This has improved from year to year. His father was exposed to angent orange in Vietnam in Da Nang harbor a year before he was conceived. I have a daughter 40 who is so called normal.

I get a little annoyed with boys and girls who graudate high school and are labeled autistic. If you can do that I don't think you are autistic. I am also aware there are diffetent levels of autism, but I don't think that would include being able to attend regular school and graduating high school or passing a SAT entrance examination.


kirk yardley   April 11th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Big Pharma is going to be and is now the next big crisis for the World. they are absolutley criminal in so many ways. their criminal attacks on allturnative and natural remedies speaks for itself.


Frank   April 11th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Thank you for bringing awareness to the topic of autism, the more people do research on the subject the more people will do their homework before letting drug companies make decisions for them. Take control of your lives and your children's lives. Trust god and pray so that you make the right decisions!.


Fragile X   April 11th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

What about the relationship between Fragile X and Autism?

IF you have someone with Autism are they Fragile X?

Fragile X is simular to Autism


Karen Cowell   April 11th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

I sent a comment 20 minutes ago that I don't see posted, so I am repeating it,..... please look into the Tomatis-Mozart Method, as described in the book "Remembering Wholeness" by Julia HOpe Price and Jozef. Dr. Alfred Tomatis, an ENT specialist ,changed the life of actor Gerard Depardieu using the Tomatis-Mozart Method, and it has also been used in the treatment of autism! The method has to do with "re-educating" the inner ear, which influences far more physical and emotional functions than is widely known!


Dr. khodadoust   April 11th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Rate of autism is going up in the middle east since the countries are using the u.s as a modle of care.


Suzanne   April 11th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Don't vaccinate your kids!! I stopped all vaccines 2 years ago when my daughter was 3 and my son was 5 (poor kid, he did have some symptoms until I stopped vaccinating him, detoxed him homeopathically, and have changed his diet to remove junk, wheat, dairy, etc.).

My kids have never had a flu shot, and they've never had the flu.

For any new mom out there wondering what to do: Read up and research it before you let them stick those needles into your kids again. The CDC is not to be trusted. It is dictated to by pharmaceutical corporations whose interest is NOT your kid's health. Read up, size up the disease risk in your region, and make your own decision. DON'T follow your pediatrician's orders without thinking, and never put anything into your kid that you aren't CERTAIN is good for him or her.


Warren Green   April 11th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

In talking about casein, why not mention it's primary source -- dairy products?


Mary Allen   April 11th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

My son Mark has autism. My son Mark is 18 years old. Mark has had a long history of pretty severe behaviors that continue today. I am a single mother that is fighting her guts out to save this wonderful son from a uncertain future. I have been fighting since he was given this label. School people have walked away because they couldn't handle him. His father couldn't handle it and has walked away. He left us emotionally years before really leaving us physically. Feel like the medical community has walked away and keeps making excuses for why there isn't a good solution to helping kids like Mark. I was told to "just love him", but never been given any hope nor direction.
But it is my moto that as long as there is breath....there is hope. I see Mark very successful, very active and leading a meaningful life. But to make that a reality will take more than I might have to give him.
Mark has been my ultimate teacher. I have learned life lessons that have been invaluable and long lasting. He has helped me learn how to help other families with kids on the spectrum...but I still need help with him.
Autism is the elephant in the room that never goes away, nor gets better. Kids just get bigger, stronger and further behind. It has effected every aspect of our lives and families are in great need. Prevention and early intervention at the youngest of ages, as well as life span assistance for those individuals that aren't recovered and are still hopeful for a cure.


Ryan   April 11th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

there are kids with autism that havent been vaccinated. does any body really think that the risks of what were vacinating them against is worse than autism? death vs autism.


Cecilia Culbert   April 11th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Ask the doctors why the Hepatitis B vaccine was never tested on newborns only on 5-10 year olds and only followed them 2 weeks afterwards. Why is this safety and efficacy of this vaccine being extrapolated onto newborns?


Christy   April 11th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

I have a son with autism. I am tired of dealing with insurance companies tell me, he has a pre-existing condition. My questions are, will the insurance companies every understand what autism is and will there ever be a cure? My answer to both of them is NO. I want a cure for my son but I can't see it happening and I am sad about that.


Rose Marie Muhl   April 11th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Even when you look at how it happened, now what do we do now that it is here and very little support. How does a mom like me move forward with two boys I love while everyone argues about it????? How does Dr. Wiznitser keep talking when he spends moments with his patients instead of really listening to them?


Crystal   April 11th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

This is a great topic to debate .My son has autism /fragile x syndrome
I believe in vaccination and have gotten my other "typical child vaccinated" My son was suspect at 12 months diagnosed at 18 months. He is doing wonderful at age 7.Alot of research needs to be done re this issue I would rather deal with Autism everyday than have my child face a life threatening disease that could have been prevented.


Alycia   April 11th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Jim & Jenny
I’m so grateful that you are using your celebrity to bring a voice to the corruption in Western Medicine. You are both filled with hope and passion that is inspirational. I'm a college student, single with no children. But I can assure you that when the day comes for me to start a family your words will be remembered & will have great influence on how I care for my children. Thank you both so much. I'm extremely proud of the two of you.


kazmom   April 11th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

First – Thank you Dr. Nealy for being open and level-headed in your willingness to learn and accept new information about the disease. My understanding is that NOONE wants to eliminate vaccines – but to administer them differently – and perhaps in some cases allow the parents to make the choice (chicken pox, rotovirus).

Beyond that America's diet in general is not healthy. The diet that Jenny is using for Evan is very very healthy. We do eat too much gluten/yeast and cassein. I would like to take the statistics from the countries with 10-11% as one of the panelist kept referring to and also compare their daily diets. Are these mediterranean countries?

To Generation Rescue – CONGRATULATIONS and all the best to you and your children – It is very hard to have your child on a diet that differs from the "norm" – while it is totally worth it – there is sacrifice and guilt (at times).


Tara Bennett   April 11th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Hi, my son is 3yrs old with autism, and he's in a research study with NIH in Maryland.. I notice something was wrong with my son since birth, but his doctors always told me "he is fine, don't worry.. My son is 3 again don't talk at all, won't eat, and is sick once a month. I still don't understand it has too be more info why? Autism


Sandee   April 11th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

I have a niece with Autism, We have opt'd out to not allow our Son to have the MMR shot. He was pulled from school even though we had the correct paperwork. We had to go infront of a group of people to hear our case at the Broward County Medical Center in Florida. I have asked why ?so many times can not the shots be given separately months apart. At the last doctors visit a nurse told me if I go to the hospital I can request separate shots. Why are we rushing to have children shot up with poison?


Roger Bowie   April 11th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Most people talk about how there children "regressed" after vaccinations. Our son was delayed from the get go and is diagnosed Moderate to Severe Autism. We never had the speech then lost it or any of the other things. I also have a 27 year old nephew who also had the same diagnoses.
I agree that it is much more complexed than vaccinations. I belive that my son was predisposed. My other brother has a daughter who was diagnosed with Juvenile Diabetes when she was 8 and a son with Colitis.
The Spectrum is also so very broad. From PDD NOS to Aspergers to Autism. I don't think there will ever be a cure, however, I do believe that we will find out what causes it and prevent more children from suffering from this.


carla   April 11th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

What about when you vaccinate so young and so many shots. What about the trace amounts of mercury that it still in vaccines along with aluminum and other metals. This is an issue of the pharmacutical companies. They are the only business that continues to thrive no matter how the economy is doing. It would shake the owrkd if they prived the link! They will not admit it easily. There IS tons of medical proof showing the link. Doctors and researchers get threats when trying to prove it. Their careers are in ruin. Big brother won't let them. Ask any parent what they think. Ask any parent who has tried biomedical treatment it works. We are ruining a generation. This is so sad.


Amy   April 11th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

My question to the AAP – if it's not the vaccines, then WHAT IS IT THAT CAUSES AUTISM? They are so defensive of the vaccines and so quick to say that the others are wrong, but there is obviously something out there contributing to this disease, so why don't they start looking at the cause instead of defending what they are doing? My 3-year-old is autistic and I would love for them to come and stay with him for 24 hours – when he is not asleep at 3:00 in the morning, when he won't eat, when he punches and bites them during a meltdown, and have them write the check for therapy that insurance won't cover. Quit telling me it's not vaccines and start telling me what did this and how I can better help my son!


Surya Murthy   April 11th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Autism will be cured when we stop all the pharma companies from making vaccines. When are we starting this good effort.


Helen Williams   April 11th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

My son was diagnosed late at the age of 81/2 when he changed schools and entered 3rd grade. At first he was a smiling happy child, but about the age of 2 he changed. Wanted to point instead of asking like he use to when he wanted something. Would pitch alwful tantrums, which now I know he just couldn't get out what he wanted to say. When I approced his doctor that something was not right he just told me he was inmature for his age an had an over active imagination. Even thought his social skills have gotten better and he does eye contact most of the time. He is failing school and both I and his teachers are at a loss. He does have an aid, but he's stoped progressing. I live in a small Alabama town and unfortunately can't move because of his dad lives here and the job I have. What is there out there for someone his age, he's 13 now. I'm terified of him going to middle school. He's very artistic and can put a Bionicle (toy with small parts) over and over by just looking once at the diagram. He even makes up ones of his own. I'd like to see more information give on children of his level on the Autisum Spectrum Scale. Thank you for you shows on Autisum.


Colleen Zirnhelt   April 11th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

What about the huge increase in anti-depressant use and anxiety medications?? Couldn't those have a neurological effect on our kids, changing our brain chemistry?


bev morse   April 11th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

i am a photographer. i 'shot' my grandson from the time he was born. shortly after he received his mmr, i was thrilled to see him studying the camera as i was shooting him. and shortly thereafter, realized he was looking through it. not at it. but past it. past me. and i realized the light in his eyes was gone. his happiness, his curiosity, his reaction to me. he closed down. and i captured it on my camera before my daughter in law suspected – and then took him for diagnosis. the camera captured his withdrawal. his mother researched and brought it to the doctors' attention. and since the age of 2 years he has been working six days a week, 9 – 6 – a full time job, his childhood gone – to learn to live in this world that was his before. my comment is negative in that while this 6 year old he is making great strides, why did he have to? with therapies nine hours a day since the age of two, he is improving. and yet – the enormous cost to everyone involved – including his sibling – has been nearly devastating. the camera captured it. it happened. it's real. and if adults are limited as to the mercury in their food, surely the preservative in those vaccines must be held accountable. and the fda and doctors and pharmacies that persisted in using up every little last bit of that storehouse of poisoned vaccines, long after it became suspect. shame on them all.


greg dirienzo   April 11th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Over the last twenty-four months, our physicians have treated nineteen autistic children via progenitor fetal stem cell xeno transplantation.

Eighteen of the nineteen children have experienced marked to dramatic improvement. The sole child who failed to see improvement was over twelve years of age, suggesting the fetal cells did penetrate the blood brain barrier.

This is not shocking news to the world, only America and its American trained physicians!


Alyssa   April 11th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

I know a family who have 3 young autistic boys, I believe autism is genetic and can not be cured. The mother of the 3 boys has an older daughter from a different marriage and the little girl is not autistic.


JJ   April 11th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

I would like to know if the fact that the MMR vaccination is a 'live' vaccine...is a contributing factor...I am in favour of vaccination as the 'actual illness' is more life threatening and with more complications, but I feel that we are over vaccinating our kids. Good on Jenny and Jim...we have to get to the bottom of this...you are to be congratulated


Emma   April 11th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

After listening to what has been discussed tonight about autism I wonder if the weight at birth of the child has been taken into consideration. For I worked for a couple of years at a camp for kids and out of 100 kids two had autism. When I spoke to the parents they said that their kids had a low birth weight. Out of the two kids one was a twin and when the two were born the one with autism weighted 3lbs and the other weighted 6lbs.


Dr. Khan   April 11th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

CNN has given more time to Anti-Vaccine group

It is hurting kids to create doubts about vaccines


David   April 11th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

Ryan. Who are those kids, where are they? You haven't provided any proof of your statement. I haven't heard anybody talk about non-vaccinated kids with autism. Somebody needs to bring them on the show if they exist.


Toni - Drake's Grandma   April 11th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Is biofeedback treatment an effective remedy for autism as reported by the Drake Institute ??


judi   April 11th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

There are most likely many factors, however what no one seems to ask or address is why don't we just stop putting the thimerosal in the vaccines and see what happens – theoretically, the rates should start to decline – why not err or the side of caution (oh, I forgot, the pharmaceutical companies would rather make money than promote safety and our government agencies would rather cater to them and pocket their political donations instead of protecting our children.


Ben Fields   April 11th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Dr. Wiznitzer just mentioned that the Amish group he studied had one child out of 10,000 diagnosed with Autism. It seems to me that there may be a direct connection between eating naturally (as the Amish do) and a reduced number of children affected by this disease. The large quantities of chemicals and preservatives in our food, home, car, etc. most likely has a negative affect on our bodies and could cause autism in the unborn child or post partum.


Frances Thomas   April 11th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Your guests state that the data does not exist to show rates of Autism in babies w/o vaccines vs. babies who receive the USA scheduled vaccines. The data does exist. Look at countries that do not use the vaccines we use; the Autism rate is the same. Look at the Autism rates in the USA since mercury was removed from our vaccines- – no drop in rates of diagnosed Autism. There is data that shows that it is not about the vaccines. Your guests are either not informed or are not being honest for whatever their purposes are.


Rob   April 11th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

this is horrible and everything that can be done needs to be done to cure/prevent this disease. these are children and they need to be protected.


Amy Jones   April 11th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Why aren't we given a CHOICE with these 20+ vaccines that have come out since the early '80s? I'm not worried about my son getting hepatitis B at this point; or meningitis, horrible as these may be. I don't feel the odds are for him getting these diseases. In contrast, what are the odds for him having autism? much higher than one of these, as he was diagnosed with it (autism) 5 years ago. Why must you force us all to get vaccines for diseases that aren't epidemics? nobody is arguing about polio, by the way, as one person suggested. that's very sad that 20,000 children died as one doctor stated, from some disease, and another talked about 3 children this year. But out of millions of people, how does this justify these routines?


Lisa   April 11th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Autism cannot be cured with diet!!!
How sad that Jenny McCartyh is misleading so many parents,who are desparate for help.


John Smith   April 11th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Autism is actually a dysregulation of the immune system that occurs to individuals that are genetically predisposed. I believe Jim and Jenny as well as their Doctor are kinda close to the truth but not exactly, they have not pin pointed the exact cause yet. Jenny and Jim I hope you read this!!! Vaccines throw kids over-the-edge but is not the primary cause. Autism is actually a problem that begins even before the mother of the autistic child is born. It's not the mother's fault, but in this kind of modern society most humans have an abnormal flora, so they don't transfer the right balance of intestinal flora to their babies as they pass through the birth canal. ALso breast feeding is becoming less popular, which is vital for kids to develop a normal/healthy immune system, even in the gut. Then these kids that are genetically predisoped and have not developed a normal immune system for the reasons above are given vaccines that throw the over the edge into noticeable symptoms we have labeled as Autism. Want some proof that the immune system is involved, close to the equator Autism is so rare that most people have never seen it!!! And we need direct UV rays to activate Vit. D which is a strong regulator of the immune system. As you move away from the equator autism becomes more common. Also the diet is poor in developed countires, we need more natural foods in our diet, also fermented foods really help establish normal bacterial/yeast flora. And besides the vaccines we we these predisposed kids antiobiotic to further destroy their gut flora and weaken their immune system. Most of our immune system is in our intestine!!!! VERY FEW PEOPLE HAVE PIN POINTED THE TRUE CAUSE. also if you consider autistic symptoms as a spectrum, and the causes that are sutle that are not reportedAutism is more like 2 outof 10 in many places!!!


Michelle Scott-Lewing   April 11th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Vaccines or not, it is time to take emergent measures for our children. There are hundreds of thousands of children being born in the US each year, let alone the rest of the world. WHAT ARE WE GOING TO DO? We can no longer ignore that we have an epidemic. It is the innate nature of man to turn our backs on what is considered outside the norm. Only now, autism is fast becoming so prevalent that we can no longer turn our backs – it is in our face!

My son is a briliant cherub...he is beyond smart, intuitive, his senses are not strange – they are enhanced and amazing. His thought processes not strange or difficult – but of a higher order. I have to work to think like he does in order to reach him...his steps are miles and mine are meters when it comes to his ability to problem solve, create, build, fix, etc. He has difficulty controlling his emotions and communicating with me what he feels, but intellectually he is fine-tuned.


dr william barnes   April 11th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Larry,
Ask your panelists how many of the doctors own medical stocks. Its about money.


Hyacinth   April 11th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

My son was born in 1984 by 6 months I noticed a difference in him; which for so many years was mis diagnosised. He has had so many dianosis through out his childhood. No never thought about autism; it was add; adhd and so many other.

Today he is 24 and in prison still mis diagnosised. Finally, an autism test was taken..but we didn't receive any results.

So at this age; can it really be cured? but what quality of life would he have.


Avery   April 11th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

God bless people like Jenny & Jim who stand up for the truth, and for the genuine health of the children. I myself, though not autisic, cured myself of ailments that the doctors said had no cures, through diet and natural medicine. I empathize with Jenny & Jim's fight, but I've come to realize that most people don't want to be, or put in the effort to be, truly healthy. The bandaid effect of modern medicine is too conveinent for the apathic human-being. But like Jenny, I have strong faith in God, and knows that ignorance or apathy of all the knowledge and wisdom God has provided us with, is not honorable or a valid excuse. The bible states that God put herbs and food all over the earth to help heal ourselves. Like she said, the medical profession is not taught about health, they are taught the names of the ailments and what prescriptions the pharmacutical companies want them to give for those ailments, with little to no education on diet, vitamins, minerals & herbs. Or Iridology, a European founded practice that studies the eye to prevent and treat ailments years before they show up in blood tests, as I've come to learn that God gave us all a map of our insides through the iris! BUT I say to Jenny & Jim, save your own child and yourselves, and who ever wants it, but stop wasting your energy on the American doctors who are just doing thier job. They have bosses and have to follow procedure just like all the rest of us!


Jerry Riggleman   April 11th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Hello. I dont like the way Jenny and her crew are so rude. First, My son is 7 and has autism. He was diagnosed when he was a year old. His doctors, and Therapists are wonderful...My partner and I are very big advocates for my son...he has come so far. He is in a regualr first grade now...I dont know what causes it but all I know is that if you love your child, and fight for services, they will be better off. For them to say that doctors dont care is foolish...You have to fight and fight and search for the right services, no matter rich or poor, there are services.


Belema Ifunanya Harry   April 11th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

I have a six yr old cousin with autism right now, he suffered a high fever as a child and convulsed and has autism,
I am really encouraged by Jim and Jen's work, I'm definitely buying the book and i can only pray it does help my cousin. its 3:00am in Nigeria right now but i had to stay up to watch this.
There are a lot of us in this around the world and by Gods grace we will all come out smiling amen
Happy Easter


Matthew   April 11th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Autism .......what do doctors really know??
I wonder if it is the same as C.P or down's Syndrome????
my sister has C.P and we were told that she would never see or talk or walk...or even learn any thing....she can see now talk and has academic of 98% in school...and if we never would have listen to them about not doing physiotherapy at home but with the doctor twice a week for 1 hour she would be walking now.....now the public health are telling my common law and i that the mercury has been removed from the needles...is that true???? my daughters needles are coming up soon....
so Jenny and Jim keep fighting and myself and my family are behind you....


sharron   April 11th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Parents need to realize that vaccines is another word for poison. When a child is injected with these shots, these people are putting aborted fetus, antifreeze, human blood, heavy metals, mercury, formaldehyde, aluminum phosphate, ammonium sulfate, and thimerosal, washed sheep RBCs, hydrolized gelatin, chick embryonic fluid, and human diploid cells from aborted fetal tissue, and other toxic chemicals in these damn shots. This what you are putting into you child/dren. VACCINES IS A MULTI-BILLION INDUSTRY. These vaccine makers are all about money and they are using these babies and little children as pigs. WAKE up parents. A point of needle is not going to save your children from these diseases. If you think about it, these diseases are almost non-existing. Why you think children have asthma, allergies, arthritis, ADD, learning disabilities??? These are the side effects of getting these vaccines. And more. Look up ingredients in vaccines!! Parents, doctors lie to you when they say that you children can not go to school without these shots. There are exemptions forms that you can print up off the internet saying that you have decline your child to get these shots. Remember, YOU HAVE RIGHTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Taulant   April 11th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Hi Larry,

I am watching the show right now and I just wanted to share with the audience that I am Hep B carrier. I was diagnosed few weeks before my wife and I went through fertility treatment. Thanks to vaccines my daughter doesn't have Hep.

We all understand that there are a lot of things involved in this matter such as personal feelings, drug company policies, governmental regulations, scientific studies etc.

The best thing to do is to let the feeling on a side and express them elsewhere and let the scientist do their job. Including my wife who should thanks the vaccine science that prevented my daughter getting Hep B.

Thanks
T.


Diane   April 11th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

My 6 year old has moderate autism that seemed to occur at 18mos after a mmr immunization. He had had near constant r infections and very frequent rounds of antibiotics from early on in life. I won't forget the day that he received the immunization that was his last straw. He had the shots in his legs and began to cry heartily like all his siblings had when they got shots and then the cries cut off abruptly. The nurse said "well, he got over that quick" or something to that effect. I had planned to get his picture taken that afternoon and took him even though he acted sluggish and wouldn't focus on me. I thought he was just feeling off from getting his shots. I couldn't get him to respond to his name or react when I touched his face by his mouth like most babies do. He acted about as animated as a porcelain doll when I tried to get the picture taken. He had a fever that night. His behavior over the years has been such that his grandparents will not even watch him more than two hours, he eats the plaster from our walls and the trim off our windows. We cannot have curtains because he rips the rods and their wall hooks out. This has made our life extremely difficult and affected the well being of our 3 other children and caused difficulty for our immediate family and extended family. For each child with autism, many family members will have their lives changed. I do believe drug companies are only concerned with money and frequently wish that all those who run drug companies could be blessed with a child like mine so they could see what really matters. I did nothing but try to obey what I thought I had to do in this country....get my kid immunized to prevent the spread of disease. Now I have a tremendously difficult life. Half of our doctors do not understand autism. We have had luck with dietary intervention and vitamins in improving his behavior. When we have stopped the intervention, we see the worst of the behavior come back. When we start it up again, he behaves better. We are convinced that biomedical intervention is the solution for him.


Tim   April 11th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

I'm with Calbear


Glori   April 11th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Dr. kartzinel has a point that there should be a compamparison of children that have and have not taken veccines after 1989. Although I
believe it is going to be difficult to find a group that has not taken the veccines in the after 1989 schedule.


Hyacinth   April 11th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Oh may I add; the change started right after one of his immunization shots!

but what could I prove???

They told me not a chance that the shot would affect him;


Mary Bean   April 11th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Have sonograms been looked into? It seems to me that sonograms have now become "recreational"..not taken for diagnostic purposes, but many of them taken just to observe the baby's growth, to put in scrapbooks, etc. I have a friend whose daughter had sonograms taken twice per month, just so she could compare the baby's development! Perhaps these sound waves at a certain point in brain development can cause "short-circuits."


kellie miller   April 11th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

I have three sons.Only my middle son has autism and he is the only one of my sons that received the hepatitis shot when he was born.I have wondered so many times if that vacination caused his autism.


karen cusato   April 11th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

I am the mother of a 10 year old girl, 9 year old boy and 5 year old quadruplets. When the quads were 18 months old one of them stopped talking and isolated himself from his siblings. At the age of 2 he was diagnosed with Autism. I immediately sought out treatment through early intervention (in New York State). He began speech, OT, Special Ed and PT. While the other quads would answer me with many sentences, Robert couldn't even say yes or no. All I wanted was to hear him say Mama one time. Fast forward to Robert at the age of 5. The Developmental Pediatrician who diagnosed him has declared that he "no longer shows any signs of Autism and should be declassified". Is Robert "normal?" He still has difficulty playing with his siblings and socializing. Is it his personality or does he have Autism. No one seems to agreee.....


Carlos Amador   April 11th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Please ask all these doctors that took an oath to ask the government to make laws that stop the conflicts of interest like the ones that have a drug company rep sit on the board of people that decide which vaccinations are required.


Joseph Grizich   April 11th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

I am the father of an autistic child. What I have learned since my son was diagnosed is that pediatricians are not educated in identifying autism, they do not know how to treat autistic children, and they think that a shot will solve anything. I have taken my son to doctors in Georgia, Arizona, and Maryland. Everywhere we go they are the same. They do not listen to the concerns my wife and I have, the events we have observed on a daily basis with our son. Prior to my son receiving his one year vaccinations I was in Iraq. I asked my wife to wait until I was home to take him for his vaccines. He was 14 months old, he was meeting just about every mile stone a child is supposed to reach by that age. My wife and I took him in for his shots, within a couple of days, after the fever started to go away, he was stumbling, he no longer babbled or tried to talk, he stopped eating, he no longer came to his mother and I for hugs and affection. I came home from Iraq and lost my son a week later because he retreated into himself. At 21 months he was diagnosed, for about five months no one could tell us anything about how to recover him, not even the neurologist that was supposed to know everything about autism in our area. My wife and I started our own research, we read books, to include Jenny McCarthy's book, and started making changes, such as the diet. He is now three, and my son is trying to talk, he comes to me for hugs, all the things I feared I would never get from him. It wasn't because of the doctors, it was because we took the initiative to fix our son on our own. I know what Miss McCarthy went through. Our son wasn't as severe, he didn't have siezures, but everything else was the same. Until the doctors truely start listening to the parents autism will continue to spread. I have my theories and thoughts as to the cause, but that would take too long, and the medical community wouldn't listen anyway.


Pat   April 11th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Larry:
There is nothing like cure for Autism. I believe that Autism goes into remission. Do you want to see the reality of this? You would be surprised if (heaven forbids) something should happen to Ms McCartney, you would be surprised to see all the features that we thought her son had overcome, resurfaced.


Lee-Ann Snipes   April 11th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

I definitely feel that my grandson's autism was caused by his immunizations. He was a normal baby and when he was around 15+, he stopped talking, then the circles that he would go in started and then he also stopped looking at us. He didn't want to be held, his eating habits changed....just like so many other autistic children.

I am so glad that you have taken the opportunity to air this important subject and I wish that Don Imus and his wife's contribution to the awareness of Autism would have been mentioned.

Please attempt to air that the Insurance Companies do not want to pay for Occupational and Speech Therapy that is so very much needed for these special children.

Sincerely,

Lee-Ann Snipes
Grandmother of Autistic child


Tim   April 11th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Yes Sharron you have rights. The right to infect other childeren because you want to take a stand based on no solid evidence. Good parenting


gwen vires   April 11th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

I am the grandmother of two Autistic boys who live in Mn. What is wrong with the health officials that keep saying they don't know what's causing.it. That's bs, It will take money out of their pockets. Tell them to live with some of these kids on a daily basis and seee if they change their mind. Thank you, Gwen


Joyce   April 11th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

I have a 37 year old autistic son that lives with me. He has limited language skills. However, he has improved year by year with the help of speech therapy. His father was stationed in Da Nang Harbor in 1968 and was exposed to agent orange chemicals. My son started to say a few words at 2 1/2 but soon quit. I probably added to this when he wouldn't verbalize what he wanted by saying, "show me." I don't believe my son's autism was the result of a vaccine. I believe it is more due to chromosone imbalance.

I don't think mainstreaming autistic individual's into the school system is a good idea. As with my son he knew he was different and would cry when he couldn't do the work required, like his classmate's.

I also get tired of hearing people going to high school and passing SAT entrance exam's and referring to them as being autistic. If they can do that they are not autistic. I have learned in the past few years that there are different degree's of autisim, but I don't think that would include a high to normal academic ability. I think when they don't know what someone's problem is they label them autistic, which is unfair. Especially when they get assistance for it.


Roger Bowie   April 11th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

My nephew started the immunizations when he was born in 1985 and my son when he was born in 1999. Their early years were identical. No regressive behaviors were noted. Our family is predisposed. We are fortunate that our two daughters are fine.


Rhonda Fasig   April 11th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

Have there been any studies regarding parents' use of recreational drugs and alcohol (excessive or even moderate) to their autistic children?


louis hios   April 11th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

iam disturbed at what iam seeing these drs are educateres and healers but all iam hearing is people disagreing with eachother their acting like belivers and non belivers the one dr whom looks likes she has some experience is not a dr anymore someone tell her she is a robot dr healy is a healer you can see it and hear it and the male dr was and is bought and paid for why are they so scared it all comes down to the bottom line $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$


Ryan   April 11th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

David if you were in the field you would know that PHI information is protected. I was just telling people what Ive learned so far. I cant share any information directly pertaining to the children that I study.


Roger Bowie   April 11th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

Also, our son had no issues with ear infections. He is 9 years old and we can count the number of times he has been on an antibiotic on one hand.


Denise Davis   April 11th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

After hearing that male children may be more inclined to have a reaction to vaccines causing possible autism, I am glad I made this decision years ago: In the late 80's my toddler daughter had a horrifying fever reaction to her DPT shot (104-105F). Her limp body just freaked me out as a young new mother. After some research, I decided to eliminate the Pertussis portion of the remaining vaccinations; and when her brother was born in 1991, I instructed a "family sensitivity" to the pediatrician regarding the Pertussis vaccine and had it omitted from his vaccine schedule. As a result, my son had no negative reactions. He was diagnosed later with ADHD at 13 and I shudder what may have happened to him on top of this if he had had the full vaccine as it is automatically given to children.

Denise Davis


cynthia   April 11th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

I have a grandson who has autism. He's six years old and doesn't talk. His school teacher say's they can' handle him and insist he's medicated. His Dr. has tried putting him on different medication's and I'm wondering if this is safe? He's has had a couple of incident's where his nose started bleeding out of control. I'm afraid for his safety.


Becky   April 11th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

Dear Larry,

I am a parent of a 17th year old boy with autism. I also have two other children. In fact my son and daughter are only 15 months apart. All of my children have been vaccinated and I strongly disagree with Jenny & Jim. The fact that autism has shown a jump in the early 90's is mostly because pediatricians were not trained properly enough to recognize the early stages of autism before this time (as a result of this lack of knowledge most autistic individuals were labeled as mentally retarded and were placed in institutions). I also work with young adults from ages 15-28 who are autistic. I can tell you the parents whose children were born in the 70's and 80's do not agree with the idea that the vaccinations are to blame.


Autism Advocate   April 11th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Thank You Larry King, Jenny, & Jim for bringing Autism to light even more. I have a nephew with Autism and he is a joy! Our family knows for a fact that his immunizations caused his autism. My sister is RH negative factor. At 28 weeks she had a shot. That shot took the protein out of his genes. This protein helps filter out the bad stuff, TOXINS in our bodies. With this missing protein, his body was unable to filter the bad stuff out, that is in immunzations. Due to this missing protein in his genes, when he had his last round of immunizations, within 1 week, after his first birthday, he was a changed little boy. The eye contact went first, then he quit eating, he quit speaking, the contact with others around him went next, especially his parents, he didn't want to love. Imagen what that does to a parent? I am not against immunzations, just the amount that is given, and the way they are produced. I have 2 teenagers, that went through the immunizations, but at that time it was only 2 per visit then, not 6 like it is now. I did refuse some of the other vaccaines that have come out since, like the Chicken pox and others. They are both doing fine, nothing serious, no worries. Honestly, what is the point? Please, Please, those who are so judgemental of what Jim and Jenny are doing, back off. This needs to be VERY PUBLIC. Our government, they don't tell the truth and are hiding a lot about this epidmic, and yes it is an EPIDMIC. The drug companies, they REALLY don't tell the truth either.


Laura B.   April 11th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

My son will be 16 years old this year. He was formally diagnosed with Asberger's Syndrome (a form of Autism) a couple of years ago. Up until then he was being treated for Oppositional Defiance with rages These included assaulting me. One doctor that he saw did say that my son has Asberger's, but that he would not put it down on paper because insurance companies and Social Security would not pay for it. My son is now being treated for BiPolar AND Asberger's. He is on medication for both of his conditions, but I have never heard of there being a "cure". He does not go to regular school and hasn't for 3 years.


Massimiliano   April 11th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

I am a father of an autism kid. .Fortunately it seems that my son, thanks to the help of fantastic people, star seems better Tkank you for this evening. Unfortunately I have never seen neither read a close examination as that that you have realized today in my country (Italy). It's very important for a family that must face a similar problem not to feel alone. Best and Happy Easter. Max


Beverly Murray   April 11th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

Dear Larry, Jim and Jenny:

I want to thank you for taking this topic to another dimension! This holds special interest to our family as we have two grandson's (brothers) who are both Autistic.

One who is three years old (3) only has three words in his vocabulary and his older brother four years old (4) is now attempting to form sentences. Watching these children along with our other grandchildren who are not afflicted with this, breaks our hearts. Its a silent world! Our daughter is at wits end and just doesn't know where to turn any longer. She calls us in tears. Programs like yours adds a glimmer of hope, and the will to continue their therapy.

If there is any other information available, I would love to know where to obtain it.

Thank you all again for your bringing your personal lives into our livingrooms letting us know we are not alone!


Roger Bowie   April 11th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

I'm with you Joyce. I think it is a genetic predisposition. My nephew is 27 and my son is 9 and my son is a mirror image of my nephew growing up.


Luis Carrasquillo   April 11th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

My son has autism. I know there is a lot of focus on the cause and what not. But I am more interested in getting insurance for his therapy!!! You know early intervention. Who gets it???


Kaydin   April 11th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

What an interesting topic tonight on autism!!! The numbers mentioned on the show tonight that mentioned the number of children recieving Special Education services in 1992 and the number of children who now recieve Special Education services for Autism. This is in large part due to the change in the Special Education definiition of Autism. In 1992 the Special Education eligibility was for Autism and now the definition has broadened to Autism Spectrum Disorder. Many more children now fall under the umbrella of ASD than they did AI.

Also I should mention that the school definition is difference than the criteria for the medical model of Autism and Aspergers Syndrome.


Lee-Ann Snipes   April 11th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

I meant to state 18+ months was when we saw a change in my Grandson's behavior.

Thank you,

Lee-Ann Snipes
Orlando, Florida


David Heard   April 11th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

I would like to tell fellow viewers and bloggers of this program on autism of genetic research on autism that is little known to people outside medical circles at Queen's University in Kingston, Ont. Canada. In just a few years time this research will eventually eradicate autism just like most other human afflictions through both genetic and stem cell research.
On a more serious note, I like many people now doubt whether the health benefits of the newer vaccines could ever outweigh the potential safety risks including autism. Newer vaccines against infections that usually poses minimal risk to public heatlh like those against eg., meningitis, rotavirus, hep B and ear infections should not be administered because the vast majority of lives saved for decades have been and still are older vaccines and not the newer ones for our kids.


Donna Jarosz   April 11th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

My 12 year old grandson has Asperger Syndrome, which is considered to be on the Autism Spectrum. I think more cases of autism have been identified in the past few years because more degrees of autism are now included in the count. I believe there is no cure for autism. What appears to be a "cure" is really the child having the ability to learn how to adapt in the world. Children are born with this neurobiological disorder. It is a way of being. Not a disease that needs a cure. People on the autism spectrum have made great contributions to the world. Einstein, Michelangelo, Leonardo da Vinci and many others are thought to have had the disorder. I want to thank you for covering this topic on your show. It can only help achieve more understanding of this often mysterious disorder.


Elise   April 11th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

Almost 26 years ago I fought the system by my educated decision not to have my son vaccinated at the proscribed schedule. My own pediatrician advised me not to have my baby immunized with the pertussis vaccine! My son had a compromised immune system, manifesting itself in allergies and asthma. I also, did not have my baby daughter immunized, as more information came out about adverse reactions to vaccines. I believe that there is a connection between vaccines and autism. I also know that the diagnosis of autism is on the rise, due to a combination of a number of factors. Thank you Larry for getting the word out, and letting parents know that there are two sides of the vaccine story.


David   April 11th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

Ryan, Thanks for the comment. All I am looking for is what Glori stated. "Dr. kartzinel has a point that there should be a comparison of children that have and have not taken vaccines after 1989. " I whole heartily agree.


Joseph Grizich   April 11th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

I would like to respond to Lisa, the diet does not cure Autism, nor has anything I have heard or read from Jenny McCarthy state that it does. It is one piece toward recovery. There is a connection between the brain and the gut, every find it difficult to think and function when your stomach hurts? Now increase the pain by ten and it never go away, that is what the diet helps with. Once the piece is removed then an increase, or just introducing, certain vitamins and minerals helps the brain function. At the same time you introduce therapy, occupational, speech, ABA. I have since what this can do. You need to listen to what is being said and not what the doctors are telling you doesn't work. If the diet is not working then there is a good chance there is too much yeast in the system, and the body is unable to expell it. Once that is removed, then the diet may be able to improve the situation.


Pat   April 11th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

Larry:
I have a son who is 29 years old with Autism. I do not believe that Autism can be cured. I think that with the right treatment and management, the person goes into remission and should any adverse change affect that person's life such as the sudden loss of a loved one with whom that one is very close, you would be surprised to see the manifestation of Autism recur.


Christopher Ancona   April 11th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

I would like to thank you for having the guts to tell the American people the truth. My wife and I are expecting our little girl in May and have choosen not to vaccinate. I have done extensive research and know it is safe not to do so. I have also seen children with Autism get good results under Chiropractic care to relieve prerssure on the brainstem by realigning the vertebrae. I believe that we need to stop looking outside the body to find health, we need to strengthen the body from within. realize the wisdom that runs all of the body's complex functions knows more about health than anyone. My heart goes out to all the families you are all in my prayers. God Bless.


Kaydin   April 11th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

To Linda:

Linda April 11th, 2009 9:13 pm ET

I have a son whom I believe is autistic. the schools have kicked him out and behavior programs say they can not handle him. He is now homeschooled due to I can’t find a program that can help him. We are very low income and have adopted 6 other nieces and nephews including him. It’s hard to find anything that medicaid will pay for. Please help what do I do?

Not sure if your question got answered or not as I joined late and haven't read all of the posts, but I have 2 questions for you: What state are you in?? Does your child qualify for Special Education Services?? Once i get this information I will gladly provide you with some ideas.


John Smith   April 11th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

To add to my comment above about the true exact cause of Autism, (read above) I Disagree with those that say autism is not curable, it is treatable. I THINK AUTISM CAN BE 100% CURED if all the underlying issues have been resolved, and also depending on the degree of damage done to the brain. Autism is a multi-factoral problem. Think of Diabetes as an example, many are predisposed but if they don't get the exposure such as gaining enough weight, they may never develop diabetes. I'm a medical doctor, and very few including health professionals know the exact cause behind autism. That's why many kids that undergo biomedical treatment like Jenny explains in her book show improvement but not 100%. It is the other underlying causes that are not addressed. read above my last comment which is a summary that PIN POINTS THE TRUE CAUSE OF AUTISM!!!!!


Paul McClintock   April 11th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

In 2006, there were 73.7 million children under age 18 in the United States. Accepting the 1 in 150 statistic, 491,333 are diagnosed with autism. RE: the genetics argument – why is my son the only one in our extended family (which covers two countries) who has autism? If it is vaccines, then why are 73,700 lives more valuable then 491,333. Should I just accept that my son's life and potential be sacrificed on the alter of vaccines? In the face of clear incidence of regression after vaccination, can't we develop a natiowide alternative vaccination schedule and a screening process for kids that might be at risk for an immune reaction?

No one in my family has ever had austism – this includes over 50 kids in two countires. Why should I accept the colleral damage concept of vaccines?


alex hu   April 11th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

to those parents-to-be:

if you have doubt on either of the side as I have, do the following:
1) find the autism ratio in other developed countries.
2) pick up the country with lowest autism ratio and follow that country's vaccines schedule instead of ours.
3) if possible, could generation rescue goes to contact other developed countries' health department for the reason why they didn't pick up some vaccines as we do.


Gerald Gene G, Virginia   April 11th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

The school psychologist, Mike, in Maryland and doctors like Dr. Khan are sellouts if they believe Jim Carey and Jenny McCarthy are hurting children. Doctors don't want to link vaccines to autism because it's NOT GOOD FOR BUSINESS. The pediatrician with the autistic son pointed out that pediatricans don't want to treat autistic children because they don't have an EXPENSIVE CURE, and would have to prescribe common remedies like vitamins and organic supplements and foods..
NO RESEARCH WILL BE AUTHORIZED TO LINK AUTISM TO VACCINES because there's no profit for the medico-pharmaceutical complex. It's that simple: and the CDC and the NIH are in the back pockets of the PHARMA troika. Long live Generation Rescue!!!


Kaydin   April 11th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

I also feel that there are times when some diagnostic professionals use Autism as a catch all when they do not know what is going on with the child. Also some diagnostic professionals spend little time with the child and base a diagnosis on parental input. I have seen some cases where this has happened!! The diagnosis can be somewhat subjective, and not all professionals spend the time to really seek input from the schools and others who spend time with the children they are diagnosising.


aspiesmom   April 11th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

I know many adults at varying levels on the autism spectrum. They don't feel broken – no need for a fix or a cure. Some reasonable accomodations per the ADA – that would be helpful, especially in the workplace.

I have a son on the spectrum. It took years to get him diagnosed, finally at the age of 10. Several years later, coping skills have helped him do extremely well – but he is and always will be autistic.

It is a different way of being wired, neurologically. He approaches things differently. Many times better. We like to say he doesn't think outside the box – he's completely unaware there is a box! I would never change a thing about him – he's the best HIM he can be.


Ryan   April 11th, 2009 10:31 pm ET

david. there should be a comparison. I dont want to fight i just think we should get an actual study showing the rates nation wide and a sociologist examining the areas that are being studied


DRS FADIL   April 11th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

We agree with DR. Healey's and her vision of how we should approach and solve the epidimic of Autism. Vaccines, Environment, ....ect., should be invistigated and its link to Autism. Scientists' greed and pharmaceutical companies denial should not be in our research studies neither it should be an obstacle against our children progress .Parents should be listened to and their reports should be respected, because they have the answers .


Gregg   April 11th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

My son is 4 years old, about to be 5 this summer. He was diagonsed with autism 2 years ago. He has made great strides and Im glad that the daycare that he was attending helped us get the information so we could get him tested. This past week- his daycare ( the one who helped us identify his disability)- kicked him out because of his disabilty. Here was a 4.5 yr old in a 3 yr old daycare room- and she kicked him out because he bit and he would hit. We asked – practically begged- to move him up to the older room. She was worried that he would "runaway" or "get out". We told her that we would do whatever we could to help accomodate – if she would only try. She refused. We offered to have an autistic trainer to come talk to the daycare – maybe give some pointers- at no expense to the daycare. The director refused. She said because of his biting and hitting taht he was "kicked out". Granted we never saw any kind of documentation on when he bit or hit. We rarely saw any documentation on when he was bitten. (According to DFPS in Texas)- they are required to document. She tells us she had complaints from other parents and instead of working with us and trying to help our 4 year old child out- She saw the dollar signs. She might lose a customer- and she would no accomodate. My wife and i are both public school teachers and we are held accountable in every aspect of education. Why can't daycares start stepping up? Should I seek legal council? I contacted the ADA but all I can do is fill out a complaint? Any suggestions would be appreciated.


Myrna L Rud   April 11th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

I really want help with my grandson. I have been his guardian since he was 4 and now he is 13. He is quite aggressive and I don't want to lose him to a mental institution or have something terrible happen. Just recently he became more violent and I am afraid he will hurt someone.
I truely believe vaccines and mercury had a lot to do with his autism. He was a candidate for becoming symptomatic because he had a low birth wieght and his parents both have som psycological isssues. He was given the hepititis b shot (one size fits all) at only 4 pounds, same as an 8 pound baby. Now they don't even give that shot in the hospital.
I agree with that it is just a big money maker for the drug companies. They are very powerful and influential to the medical sociey to our government. Parents don't know that vaccines are dangerous and all the pain they are causing. Thanks for broadcasting this side of the issue. I hope we soon get answers and help.
Myrna


Neil Begley   April 11th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

I am so tired of hearing pundits, particularly in the medical community state that "the increase in diagnosis" is the reason for the higher incidence of autism. To this I say that they should spend an hour or two with some autistic children. There is no way that we grew up with children like my son and other relatives on the spectrum and they just snuck through life unnoticed and some didn't sleep, didn't talk, hurt themselves and others. My son has to be watched over every waking moment of every day for fear that he will hurt himself or others. There are no weekends, no vacations, no rest. I am convinced that the overdose and damage to the immune system by the number of vaccinations in the first year or two of life (and early when you count flu vacines and rogam injections given to expecting mothers), together with a genetic predisposition are causing autism.

My son (youngest of 4) is severly autistic. He was developing normally in his first year, but around his first birthday he was given multiple vaccinations at the same time (Measles, Mumps, Rhubella and Chicken Pocs). We noticed within weeks that he stopped making eye contact and began self stimulating with his fingers. He is now 10 years old, he cannot speak or effectively communicate. He cannot focus or sit still for more than a few seconds most times. He hurts himself and does not feel pain. He put his head through two windows so far and went a whole day at school, and went home on the bus with a broken arm without crying once-even while they set the bone (he gigled through that). He scratches, pinches and bites himself and others so ofetn that my whole family appears to have unhealing cuts, bumps and black and blue bruisis on our arms and heads. His skull is thickening on his forehead from the buildup and natural protection of his brain from the head banging on solid surfaces. I can go on and on and on of all the things he does and doesn't do. Children like this cannot sneek through life without recognition, or other diagnosis. Our parent's and my own generation in my wife's and my families includes between 70 and 80 people. Not one of them have/had autistic symptoms and now in the next generation in my wife's immediate family there are multiple children on the spectrum. We can't go anywhere. Even going to church is a challenging stressful event. Most Doctors offer nothing and insurance covers few if any of the attempts to help my son biologicly. We fear for our future as he grows into a larger, stronger boy. We fear for his future when we can no longer care for him, and when we are gone. Will he be abused, will he be properly cared for? Will he be drugged into submission? Will he ever be loved by anyone else? Is he aware behind his Hellen Keller like world? Can we ever help him?

My heart is broken and weeps for him and all people like him and the families that similarly struggle with autism every day. But I cannot give up on him and will always hope and pray for a cure.

Neil


DMK   April 11th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

Our son is 21 months old and two neurologists have told us that he has PDD. Both have been reluctant to place a label and will want to see how our son will develop (We get the "wait and see"). Basically, no one knows what to call our son. Our son has a speech delay and also has some motor sensory issues.

Anyway, we completely agree that the vaccination schedule is excessive and the age that they begin is way too young. We have been very careful with vaccinations regarding our son. We do think that Pediatricians are more likely to get parents to vaccinate their child at the tender young age of 1 month old. We completely agree that research should be done to patients who have spaced out the vaccines and/or have not given vaccines to their children concerning the incidences of autism. We also would like to see a discussion on the ride of prescribing anti-biotics like zythromax and omoxycillin. Aren't these two very strong? Do ear infections and chest colds always need an anti-biotic?

We also believe that DIET is also a huge component. Our son has been on the GFCF Diet for almost a month now and we have already seen huge improvements in eye contact, speech, and social engagement. Our son also doesn't spin, open & close doors, and walk on his toes as much as he used to. We believe that food allergies can also cause PDD, which can ultimately lead to a diagnosis in the autism spectrum. Allergies to the environment can also be a factor. We truly believe that our son will ultimately be indistinguishable to other children. We would love to see more doctors get better at detecting food intolerance. Our son was throwing up everything until the about 7 months old, even though he gained weight. Now he is no longer eating dairy and he no longer has the pot-belly and no longer has stomach cramps. Diet and vitamin supplementation needs to be looked at, especially at children who have been able to become indistinguishable to other children.


Liz J.   April 11th, 2009 10:44 pm ET

First thank you L:arry for bring the issue of autism to the forefront. I applaud Jenny and Jim for what they have dont for their child and give my family and me strnegth to move forward for our own child David. He was diagnosed last year has having autism but I knew much before that there was something wrong. He never even smiled at three months. It is a day to day struggle raising a chi;ld with autism and learning what I did tonight angers me and also makes me question how pediatricans and pharmecutical companies regard autism is shocking. As a mother knowing that the difference between having a normal child and one with autism may be prevented by not administering certain vaccines to my child makes me go crazy but also very angry at not being warned of the effects. I have two children -my oldest hit all the milestones even before hand and is a vibrant chattery three year old. My youngest at two still has yet to call me mama. You tell me whose side am I on?


Kassi   April 11th, 2009 10:47 pm ET

It is too bad that at this time we do not know what causes autism or how to prevent it. BUT – why don't we spend more time talking about the things that we do know. Treatment. Nothing was said about it. Applied Behavior Analysis has 30 years of empirically-based research backing it as a successful treatment for children with autism. We need to be working harder to get he word out about the truly EFFECTIVE treatments. We also need to do something about funding so that more families can afford the services they need.

I am currently working on my master's in Applied Behavior Analysis. I work with children with autism every day. All of my clients have improved greatly in many areas – social skills, eye contact, verbal skills (requesting items, etc.) I love working with these kids – I just wish more parents knew that ABA is the way to go because the earlier we start with ABA therapy the better!

Larry – why don't you do a special for the parents who currently have kids with autism and feature some treatment options – specifically ABA, and also get some insurance companies on there and ask why more of them won't cover these services which are proven to be effective for this "epidemic."


Heather Trudel   April 11th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

I'm a parent of a 6year old son who has some traits of autism but his school will not test until him until he gets older. His school teacher tells me that he has some traits of sensory intergrations as well... My son also has a rare genetic split mutation gene.. He has a rare form of dwarfism... I take one day a time and pray and I do as much research in my power. I still have days that make me frustrated to a mom who wants to help her child have the quality of life he deserves... I don't want my son to have autism but, I need to know for sure...No matter what happens I'm committed to him for the rest of his life what ever it brings......Keeping the Faith....


HMT   April 11th, 2009 10:53 pm ET

Two things:
1) Commendations to Jenny and Jim for putting this on the map. After many years of questions and three misdiagnosis it took a partial hospitalization, intense therapy program to determine the root cause for our son, which is Autism. Between Jenny's book and outspoken efforts, she helps those who know nothing be smarter and those who 'know everything' question it more. Autism needs a voice to speak for us and raise awareness across the board. Maybe this will shorten the journey of discovery so they can move on to the journey of healing.
2) We need education and research. Being new(er) to this, we don't have or see a direct link to previous immunization or otherwise.... but the real challenge is that none of us are even aware of what to look for. We see kids who don't look at us and think they're shy. We see kids who have behavioral problems mislabeled as ADD, ADHD. We see kids who don't socialize well and we think they just don't play well with others. In reality, autism is an afterthought for those who aren't on the severe end of the spectrum. This, too, needs a voice. And, above all we are in desperate need of research. These children do grow to become adults- and with research and education they have all the possibility in the world to be productive, well-functioning people.


maddie   April 11th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

FOR MARIA GUTIERREZ (above):(9:39PM/est)

My son is 25 and closely resembles the description you gave of yours.
DO NOT BLAME YOUR SELF. THERE IS NO 100% CURE. I HAVE A MASTERS DEGREE from a prestigeous medical school university in
Learning Disorders. There are therapies that can help in overall
functioning, but, CURES, not that I have found in all these years of reading endlessly on the subject. AUTISM is far too complex to paint with a broad brush answer/cure/solution/ fix. Each child's symtoms are unique and individual THAT IS WHY THIS IS SO DIFFICULT TO GRASP.
I DO NOT THINK VACCINES ARE A LINK EXCEPT IN RARE CASES.
I ate a lot of fresh fish in my scond and third trimesters living in the SF Bay area . There is a very high incidence of AUTISM BETWEEN SF AND LA. Who knows? More emphasis needs to be placed on what happens to our kids (high or less function) when they try to find and keep a job. Life is a nightmare for my son in his lonely world.
He now lives with my EX and hardly comes to visit except to see his sister who lives with me (she is 19). I was very hands on with him when he was growing up and constantly tweaking his Educaional
programs. Now it's like he is a ghost to me since he moved in with his Dad. I think he lives in a constant state of anxiety. I miss him terribly.

Hang in there, MARIA! I DON'T FEEL THE LOVE EITHER, but we must approach them the same way we did when they were small,
with all the affection and support possible. I dispair often as I don't think my son loves me. We must fight that feeling every day, YOU AND ME. THEY DO LOVE US, JUST DON'T KNOW HOW TO EXPRESS THEIR AFFFECTION. IT IS A LIVING HELL FOR US MOMS, that is why so many gravitate to the "celeb. quick fix" wave.
THER IS NO QUICK FIX FOR AUTISM, JUST NEVER ENDING, DAY TO DAY HOPE FOR THE FUTURE AND THE DREAM THAT ONE DAY SOMEONE WILL SEE SOME OF THEIR STRENGTHS AND GIVE THEM A JOB! AUTISTICS NEED MENTORS. LOVE TO YOU
FROM Maddie in Colorado.


HMT   April 11th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

Larry, I'd also request a special on treatment options. It'd really be great to hear from the experts and parents who have tried the options and to hear debate on that topic, too. As you said it tonight "We have only scratched the surface on this."


Kaydin   April 11th, 2009 11:00 pm ET

Put your request for Special Education testing in writing and request a Child Study. They have to test. Also looking a contacting a Parent Advocate through a local Advocating Agency or the Parent Advisory contact through you local Intermediate School District. They have to at least meet with you to talk about reasons for testing or not testing at this point. Fos ASD you can do this at any time.


Turk in Indiana   April 11th, 2009 11:00 pm ET

Wife Elaine and a dozen other speech and hearing specialists and therapist work with special kids, many with autism. My wife was impressed with the "debate" and suggests that it be available for professional people to access and send to others.

Keep up the great work Larry. She handles the pre-schoolers.

Should you ever want someone with Autonomic Nervous System Disorder, including Grand Mal seizure which probably took Travolta's sons life, let me know. Thank you - Turk in Indiana


terese   April 11th, 2009 11:00 pm ET

jim carrey is correct,,there is an autistic child on every block ...


giselle   April 11th, 2009 11:03 pm ET

Hi larry I live in kissimmee florida and I'm single mom of little boy with autism. I just need help with my son because I feel like my window is closing.


Shawna   April 11th, 2009 11:04 pm ET

I wonder too about the increase in autism being attributed to diagnosis changes. I mean I am 40 yrs old and never saw a pediatrician as a child, saw the family doctor only a handful of times, remember getting vaccines at the local church before starting kindergarten... could SOME of the increase in rates be due to the fact that more and more children are ACTAULLY seen by doctors than in the past. Even my own children (22 and 18) only saw a doctor when ill or injured and of course those scheduled well-baby check ups up until entry to kindergarten.


Valerie   April 11th, 2009 11:05 pm ET

I submitted a comment over an hour ago & it has yet to be posted. I'm sending this one just in case. I have a 13-year-old son with DS and autism, which I am finding is more common than people think. It has been nothing short of a blessing to raise this child, he's actually been easier to raise than my "normal" 10-year-old daughter.
I get so sick of hearing parents whining about what God has given them. Is autism more devastating to them or the child? The child doesn't realize there's an issue. Is it that the parents are inconvenienced by their child with autism? I'm certainly not. There are many people out there who would love to have a child, autistic or not, but are unable. I work with the special needs community and many of my "clients" are over 40. They have autism...guess what, it's not a new diagnosis. Only in the last 20 years have the vaccines become an issue. I'm sure that if it's found that the vaccines AREN'T the issue, something else will be.
Has anyone considered the steroids that are injected into our meat? What about all the "quick meals" that we purchase on the grocery store shelves? We've become a "Burger King" society. We want it our way & we want it now. How are farmers and ranchers supposed to keep up with the demand? Steroids & preservatives.
I'm not knocking Jenny & Jim & I admire Jenny for being so open about her son's autism. But is is fair to say THIS is the cause of it when it's been around longer than 20 years and this barrage of vaccines is only recent history?
And for the record, my son wasn't diagnosed with autism until he was 9 years old. Maybe what Jenny & Jim are seeing is that Evan's diet and whatnot are helping some of the symptoms to go into remission. Who's to say if he went off his program for a while that they wouldn't return.


Kaydin   April 11th, 2009 11:07 pm ET

I don't think vaccines explain it all!! I mean one of my friends has 4 boys all on the ASD spectrum. Some didn't have vaccines!! So explain this one!!


Laurey   April 11th, 2009 11:10 pm ET

I have a son who just turned 10 yrs old today, who has regressive moderate autism and was diagnosed at 29 months of age, he was a healthy typically developing baby, who hit all of his mile stones, including language and lost it all at 19 months of age following a large series of vaccines. My son has been following biomedical treatment for the last seven years and has made some minimal gains, but nothing that has recovered him from autism. I would like you, Larry, to ask the biomedical medical doctors, how many of their recovered kids had a original diagnosis of moderate to severe autism. Also please ask them how many biomedical doctors or so called DAN doctors, take health insurance or accept a state children's health plan? And also what is their initial consult fee along with their hourly fee, and any lab testing fee's for providing biomedical treatment to a child with autism? I can tell you it is astounding and most of the private lab fee's alone that they recommend, are not feasible to an average american family trying to help their child with autism recover. I want you to know I am not denying that biomedical treatments can recover some children from autism, but at what cost and to what select few. This is the unfortunate truth as always, we come to those of the "Have and Have Not's". Every child with autism deserves a chance at recovery, through medical, biomedical, educational, treatment plans, it would be nice if the professionals felt that way also and not let it seem that their main self interest was a monetary one.


Linda   April 11th, 2009 11:16 pm ET

I want to offer hope to parents of Autistic children. My daughter was born in 1991; autism was not the common household word that it is today. I felt that there was something wrong from the start. Valerie had difficulty breast feeding and she didn't cry as often as I thought babies should cry. When I voiced my concerns to the doctor, he stated that I should feel lucky to have such a "good baby". As her second year approached and she still did not respond to my voice and would not babble as babies do; I was convinced that she was deaf. I had her hearing tested and took her to a language and speech pathologist. Their immediate response was to send my husband and I to parenting classes. The thought being that we were not talking to her enough; which was discouraging. I enrolled her into a nursery school for children with special needs when she was 2 1/2 years old. She stayed at that nursery school working with resource teachers until the age of 6. At the age of 6 they insisted that she had to start public school even though she still was not talking. I had to fight with the teachers to let her sit at the front of the class so that she could read lips as she still did not seem to be processing spoken language. I spent many hours a day with my daughter at the computer teaching her how to read. It wasn't until she started to grasp reading that she started to talk. As the years past, I believed that my daughter was learning disabled. We discovered that she was learning to read faster then she was learning to speak. She had a large processing delay when you asked her a question, but if you wrote that question down, she could answer much more quickly. As her reading developed, she started to open up a little more. It wasn't until she was in grade 8 that she was diagnosed with Autism by a Pediatric specialist. However, it wasn't until high school that she really started to grow. She took basic grade 9 the first year and then general grade 9 the next year. Her reading and math are at a grade 11 and her speach is at a grade 4/5. She will be entering grade 12 general next year. She doesn't always speak in full sentences, but she gets her point across. She may always need to live with us for safety reasons because she tends to "zone out". However, I feel that she will be able to attend college and may have a job. Never give up hope, don't set any limits, and don't be afraid to explore past societies expectations. Thank you


Amy   April 11th, 2009 11:19 pm ET

I am a 54 year old woman with 3 children including 2 high-functioning autistic sons and an Ivy League educated daughter. To make a very long story short, I recently discovered that not only did I have the characteristic hand flap of autism but that my childhood films showed a floppy, unresponsive, lethargic baby with strange hand movements. While I am a fully functioning adult I have known for some time that I was different in some ways. Clearly, my mother must have known, too. They did not have the term "autism" 50+ years ago and, if they did, it was reserved for the most severely impaired and usually retarded children. Girls are still seldom thought to have it at all.

I am autistic and was more impaired as an infant that my own children. I am also a carrier of autism. So 1) people like me were not identified or counted before, leading to the apparent "epidemic" of autism, 2) in our case autism is clearly genetic rather than environmental or iatrogenic and 3) one can grow up to adulthood and no longer appear autistic even without any formal intervention. That is why it is much harder to find autistic adults than children.


Linda   April 11th, 2009 11:25 pm ET

Listening to your show tonight and reading your blog it is very clear that there is a mountain of misinformation out there. It's very clear that money is at the root of all of this. It is so remeniscent of the tobacco/lung cancer issue. I'm so tired of this us and them mentality. Why spend all this time and money arguing - lets spend some money doing the actual research without a pharmaceutical company sponsoring it!

Thank you Generation Rescue and others who are on the right track. I have a 6 year old boy with Autism whose immune system was very definitely impaired by vaccines. We even paid for 4 additional shots to be given to "protect" our son! It's no different in Canada - they scare parents to death here too.

Bravo Larry for all the shows you do on Autism. Don't give up Dr. Jerry, Jenny and Jim. We are all behind you.


helene victor   April 11th, 2009 11:37 pm ET

Two possible contributers to autism that weren't mentioned on Larry'sexcellent program tonight are the greatly increased use of sonagrams on a fetus. Now many done just for fun –is it a boy or girl? how big? who's he look like? and like that. I have read that some doctors think heat from sonna gram to fretus brain cd. injure it. Has been shown to be bad for mice! One girl I know posted 4 sonagrams on wall of her kitchen. Her child later became autistic. Another scary thing, a German scientist I know of claims that if the pregnant mother sleeps during her pregnancy on a bed exposed to too strong an electromagnetic field, he guarantees she will give birth to a baby who will later be autistic. These ideas should be explored!


mia   April 11th, 2009 11:39 pm ET

any special schools for autistic kids or do the public schls help? private schls do not help nor do Catholic schls,,,GWBush took away all programs for disability cxhildren..maybe Obama/Biden will reinstate programs...


Sharon   April 11th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

Jenny and Jim,

My concern is you giving parents false hope that their child can be "cured". With early intervention you may have seen great strides with your son but as a mother of a 20yr old son with PDD-NOS there are other symptoms of this disorder that you may not have had to deal with yet. I can't say I recall any definative decline with son. No one even suggested he may be on the spectrum until he was 10. Until then he was labled as multiply handicapped and ADHD. He was in special ed classes all through school and had speech OT and PT. He took normal High School math and building trades in a vocational setting. He graduated with an IEP diploma but received his GED a year later. What I hope parents understand is that even though their child may now interract better with them they are far from being normal. They will probably always struggle with language and social skills. You my accept your child the way he is but the rest of the world will not. Jenny's son will probably have a difficult time relating to others. Others will look at him as weird or maybe think he is mentally retarded. Kids in school don't associate with the weird kids and parents look at you like your doing something wrong and they wont encourge their children to be friends with yours. He will be teased and ridiculed. Jenny, maybe your money and fame will help buy your son some friends but an autistic child in a public school doesn't have much of a chance. I'm thankful my son is higher functioning but he's struggling to find a job, I'm too fearful for him to get a drivers license and I doubt he will ever have a girlfriend or best friend for that matter. Jenny, 6 is too young to know the full effects of your son's social deficits and to lable him as 100% cured is wrong. Please stop giving parents false hope for a cure. Improvement maybe but socially "normal" no.


Paul McClintock   April 11th, 2009 11:46 pm ET

Kaydin

Please see my comments regarding my son. Then I ask you what are you afraid of? If we can't investigate what what parents of the world are telling you then what is your answer? When our neighbors have a fire or lose a loved one are we without compassion? As a parent of an autistic son I simply want answers! No parent should go through the pain and misery that we go through to cure my son! Stop looking to blame the parents and tell them at accept their lot in life instead looking for the truth. Why why why would anyone accept nonsense as fact and ignore evidence as fiction is beyond my limited capabilities.

I heard enough ignorance to last a lifetime from so called medical professionals. My son is recovering but it has been a long road and quite a long way ahead for all of us.

Let us remember that the medical profession just 200 hunderd years ago felt bleeding a patient was the proper treat treatment and it was accepted as fact.

Who in their right mind would accept this as fact today.


helene victor   April 11th, 2009 11:48 pm ET

P.S. About the pediatrician tonight on your show who said he treated 10,000 patients who got all the shots and only one got autism. But these were all Amish and the Amish do not use any electricity in their houses, so they wouldn't have any electro magnetism floating around . I just think this is too important to be ignored!


E OBrien   April 12th, 2009 12:02 am ET

How does a surgeon weigh in as an expert on autism or the po;itics of autism?


brenda   April 12th, 2009 12:11 am ET

I have a year old with Tuberous Sclerosis and have been told to watch for autism spectrum disorder by her doctors at LeBonheur in Memphis, TN. I am hanging on to every word of this show. My prayers go out to you, Jim (Pet Detective are my favorites) and your baby.

How do you get your child into school if you deny vaccination?


Brian   April 12th, 2009 12:11 am ET

The idea that medical schools are funded by pharmaceutical company $$ is ridiculous.


Brandi   April 12th, 2009 12:11 am ET

I would like to know how you get around the school system and child protection system if you decide that you dont want to give you child the vacines not needed. We are forced to do it or they cant go to school and the law gets involved for medical neglect.


Pete   April 12th, 2009 12:12 am ET

In parallel with Jim and Jenny's thoughts about vaccines and the effects, look at the history of the Anthrax Vaccine. Many, many people have had complications from the vaccine but yet no military personnel have ever been in a situation where the vaccine has been needed. Bioport has made millions off the vaccine and out military personnel have suffered the consequences....


Gail   April 12th, 2009 12:12 am ET

I am happy that Jenny's son is healthy – but I would not be buying her book. She does not have a medical degree and no sound medical research to base her beliefs on. To date, there is no evidence that immunizations have any correlation to an increase in the prevalence of autism.

Furthermore, it is almost impossible to get a proper diagnosis for autism. Autism is a social disorder. Her son may have had other disorders.


Kelly Sechrist   April 12th, 2009 12:13 am ET

As a parent of a child who died less than 36 hours after receiving a HepB vaccination, I am ECSTATIC to hear other voices speaking out about the number of vaccines our children receive by age 5. We and other experts in the area feel certain that the Hep B vaccination at the very least contributed to the death of our child. We have chosen to do modified vaccination schedules for our children and have had to fight to have our other two children exempted from that particular vaccination...This is DEFINITELY a money making venture for the drug companies where our kids are being used as guinea pigs!


Doreen Berger   April 12th, 2009 12:13 am ET

My son was finally diagnosed with Aspergers syndrome, which is a high funtioning form of autism, at the age of 6years. He had received a contaminated batch of dpt at 3 months of age. I started sensory intregration therepy with him bu the age of 2 years, and he is 18 now and funtioning very well. EARLY intervention is so key, but I agree that shots are involved...Way to go Jenny...as a mom with a child in the autism spectrum, I applaud you..Thanks to you for all of us...You WILL make a difference.


Brian   April 12th, 2009 12:14 am ET

Underreporting from 3rd world countries makes the less than 5 yr old mortality rate look worse in the u.s.


Randy Lemelin   April 12th, 2009 12:14 am ET

I have a deaf sister who also suffers from Autism and she has come a long way, thanks to our parents of whom worked with her on a 24 hour-a-day 7 days-a-week basis, professionals (Doctors, pediatriciens, etc) helped but not as much as the family. No drugs taken !?! and she is amazing.! and showing improvement each and every day! Patience ! Work with them they need people to help them.


Robert Bahnsen   April 12th, 2009 12:14 am ET

Jenny, Jim,

As a medical student, I'm trained in evidence based medicine. Show us the science that supports your position, ANYTHING that suggests that you're correct. Fund the research yourself if you'd like.

Until you can do that, don't tell evidence-based doctors to believe what a layman celebrity says, and don't criticize them for not buying into your sensationalism. Without scientific evidence, you are misleading the public.

Larry, ask these doctors what medical school they go to.


Steve   April 12th, 2009 12:14 am ET

This issue goes way beyond autism! The big pharmaceutical companies have been pushing chemo, radiation and surgery, while blatently blocking any potential cancer cures, and the AMA and the FDA are in bed with Big-Pharma. Period! May doctors have testified to falisifying research, or not conducting research at all in order to railroad patents through the door!!


Dee   April 12th, 2009 12:14 am ET

In 1959 my mother took my older sister in for her one year vaccine MMR/ she came home and within hours my sister had a seizure and they took her to the hosptial where she went into a semi coma and lived like that til she died at 30 . This destroyed my young parents life. NO ONE believed them about the vaccine back them. I went to nursing school in 2003 in the same county as this happened, my microbiology teacher shared a story on how important vaccines are but shared a "cover up " that the town had in 1959-1960 where over 100 children died and a few survived, the city had recieved a "bad batch" of vaccines and it is still cover uped til this day. I immediately called my mother and told her what I was told in class. She KNEW it all along, but NO ONE would believe her. Please share this with Jim and Jenny


Kimberly Thomas   April 12th, 2009 12:14 am ET

I applaud Jim and Jenny, and I agree 100% with them. While I never had any children their arguement about vaccines are greed driven is the same in the canine world. There has been evidence that the yearly vaccines for our pets cause allergies, cancer and a whole host of other illnesses and ultimately death are caused by vaccines! They are not needed every year. Check the internet and read all you can and then decide for yourself whether you want your Vet to give the shots. Keep in mind what Jim and Jenny said, the same drug companies who make human medicines/vaccines do the same for our pets all for the profit!


Shanna Angel   April 12th, 2009 12:14 am ET

I am a health professional and I feel that Jim and Jenny are right on track. I know doctors who are very closed and biased when it comes to pharmaceuticals. They are not willing to even look at what might be preventative or moral. They are brain washed by the pharmaceutical companies and can only think about giving more drugs. I applaud those who raise these questions and question our public health system. We are way off base with our health care


grammy   April 12th, 2009 12:15 am ET

REasons for increase in austism is due to people having children later in life. Most of these parents are affluent and have babies after age 30. Chidlren are born with austism. It is not a latent development.
Therapists who work with children starting at an early age will have great results however Austism does not go away.


Mimi Kernan   April 12th, 2009 12:16 am ET

THANK YOU JIM AND JENNY...oddly, my husband and I were just talking about this tonight. before we saw your show...we have been so lucky to not have to experience this but there has always been a fear in my mind since my kids were little. But you HAD to do what you were told. Sort of like "drinking the kool-aid"...there was NO choice. My kids were born in the early 80's and my grand daughter in 2002 and there's no ecaping these vaccines. We have some friends who have had to deal with this as you have. And we will try to follow you and support you in this even though we haven't been affected directly...We truly believe there is harm in these vaccines. Thanks so much, the Kernan Family from Pittsburgh, PA Again, Thank you!


kendra lawrence   April 12th, 2009 12:16 am ET

my son was diagnosed with aspergers syndrome a spectrum of autism. i feel that i am okay if he is never cured. i feel that he is the way he is and i love him no matter what. i also feel that jenny mc carthy needs to not say her son is CURED.. how does she know..children with autism regress and progress regularly all the time..my son has good days and bad days good months and bad months. its okay. we love him on good days and bad days. i feel that the diet for autism that is told. is just cruel and rediculous for our children. they are already picked out as different. so if you change their food from regular kids food that is basically doin same thing and making them feel even more different from regular children. i will not make my son go through that. ....


Matt   April 12th, 2009 12:17 am ET

We are convinced our daughter has suffered injuries from vaccinations consisting of subdural hemotomas, retinal bleed, and rib fractures, however we are being accused of abuse. We have been doing research on the dangers of vaccinations! The doctors will NOT listen to us. We need help! We do not know what the future will hold for us.


James Hankla   April 12th, 2009 12:17 am ET

We have 6 children, two have autism. Both were born in the early nineties. There is no doubt in our minds that the vaccine regimen they underwent caused our children's autism.

The vaccine regimen is going to be like the smoking situation. For decades it was denied that cigarette smoking was harmful when, at least intuitively, everyone with any brains knew the truth. So it will be with the ridiculous vaccine regimen that is being propounded on our children.


Timmy Z   April 12th, 2009 12:17 am ET

A flu vaccine while pregnant? All those vaccine period are crazy!!! Listen allow the energy and patients of pray to stimulate the brain and spirit. Love unconditionally. We cant allow the government or the FDA to control or intimidate our health and well being. Jim and Jenny a models of how patients and pray can heal.


Walmarie Soler   April 12th, 2009 12:18 am ET

Im an educaed paren who refused vaccines a birh like hepatitis B and he following ones. Is incredible how ignoran Doctors are about he effects of vaccines in children.

I have been even told by Docors and government employees that hey can even acuse me for negligence for not vaccinate my child. I even had to go to a lawyer to get an affidavit to prove that I was not neglige but an informed paren making a desition for the well being of my child.

Doctors have no knowledge of this nor natural medicine and hey constanly push parents for remedies that are worst that the illness.

Walmarie Soler
Puerto Rico


Lynn   April 12th, 2009 12:19 am ET

I have a three year old daughter born 12 weeks early. Her pediatrician, part of a large medical group hinted that I should space out her vaccines. I asked him if this was because of the risk of autism. He obviously couldn't give me a frank opinion. (Jim was right about doctors being financed by the drug companies) However, her doctor did say that chicken pox and measles are in the poverty stricken countries that don't have vaccines available, but they don't have high rates of autism. He visits these countries every summer. He then mentioned since the early 90's, we don't have chicken pox and measles but do have high rates of autism. He told me he believes so many vaccines tax the immune system making it unable to function normally. I spaced out my daughter's vaccines, and waited until she was over 18 months at his suggestion. If I had to do it over again, I would postpone the HEP B and chicken pox until she was over 3. She is healthy, but gets every virus around. We are now seeing an immunologist to test for weaknesses. She had a 6 month rash after she received the MMR. Go figure.


Terry   April 12th, 2009 12:19 am ET

What do you say to to those who suggest that autism may be related to the smoking, alcohol or drug usage of the parents?


Rachael   April 12th, 2009 12:19 am ET

My daughter is 21 and has autism – she was born in 1987 before this new vaccine regime you are discussing. Can she be cured? I have given up hope.


john daniles   April 12th, 2009 12:19 am ET

larry, take a surrvay of how many parents can tell you that thay just heard their story , a change in there child after thay got the ( tripel wammy ) mesals, mumps,and rubela. john ventura,ca.


Tom Eggebeen   April 12th, 2009 12:20 am ET

Hats off to Larry King for airing the possible link between the heavy schedule of vaccinations and autism, and a host of other childhood problems.

We have to confront the terrible grip of the pharmaceutical industry on our nation. The nations of the world approach child health-care very differently.

Here, it's out of control, and our children our suffering.


C L Cummings   April 12th, 2009 12:20 am ET

My daughter is in the Autistic Spectrum. She was a classic "normal" child, until approximately 14 mths of age. At that time, it was discovered at the Dr.s office that she was behind in her shots. She was given 6 shots at once. I was told to come back the following week for another shot. Being a young mother I did what the Dr told me. The next week she received another shot. It was like my child changed over night. I started taking her back to the Drs and told she was fine and I was over reacting. It wasn't until she was 8 I started getting someone to listen to me....by then most of the social damage was done, as well as possible neurological damage from unessasary medication. Sezuries are a part of it, especially with fevers. From 6 mths of age she had recurrent ear infections as well.
I don't even know where to begin. MMR shot is huge part of the puzzle.
One other big piece of the puzzle is that I received the MMR shot two months before I became pregnant with my daughter so I could enroll in college. I learned later I should have been informed to make SURE that I NOT become pregnant for at LEAST 6 MONTHS AFTER getting the MMR shot. People need to become informed. I am not against vaccinations, I am for MORE EDUCATION. God Bless Jenny, Jim and their family.


grammy   April 12th, 2009 12:22 am ET

Larry the Pediatrican you have on your show had his child later in life.
I would love to be there and question him. A better show would be to direct people to free care for their families in how to deal with their child and to get free services. You seem to be glorifying what a celebrity parent and her boyfriend think.
How about an opposing voice on your panel. One that can really help others who have special needs children. Grammy


bridget   April 12th, 2009 12:22 am ET

It is wrong to try and raise the hopes of average men and women with autism that their children can be cured. Autism is a behavioral disorder and the simple fact the number of vaccines went up at the same time as the number of diagnoses of autism increased. In the medical field behavioral disorders go in and out of fashion, only a decade ago ADHD diagnoses also skyrocketed. Moreover, the countries that they listed regarding infant mortality were industrialized nations that provide socialized medicine, so that no child has to go without care; however, many children in the United States must go without much needed healthcare because their parents cannot afford medical care. Moreover, Jenny McCarthy has enough income to provide her son with more care and interaction than most parents in the United States. In short, autism is a behavioral and social disorder, and McCarthy's son has the wonderful opportunity of having a mother wiht the necessary income and time to provide him with all the necessary behavior modification therapy than many children do not receive until they enter a school setting.


Arnie   April 12th, 2009 12:22 am ET

Has a study/survey been done to find out how many autistic kids were vaccinated per standard schedule vs. how many weren't? If not, might Jenny and Jim fund one, inviting support from others? If not, I'd consider contacting parents of autistic kids here in Seattle and do a simple survey myself – anybody interested in participating?


Kristina RN   April 12th, 2009 12:23 am ET

I have a daughter who has CP with Autism characteristics. I am an RN and understand your cause. I would like to know, where is your PharmD or Microbiologist? No doctor out there puts as much time into the education of chemicals and viruses that enter the body.


Brian   April 12th, 2009 12:23 am ET

Rob the med student is right on above. As a doc we are trained in evidence based medicine. I appreciate the attempts at increasing awareness, but I am concerned about the expense at which the exposure comes.


Randy Otto   April 12th, 2009 12:23 am ET

I have a daughter with autism.A nightmare raising her would be putting it lightly.Now that she is an adult, where do i look for support and information. thanks randy!


Cory silverman   April 12th, 2009 12:23 am ET

I can completely understand where jenny and jim are coming from. We live in a society where our healthcare is evidence based. Why don't you guys conduct a study with the supporters you have to prove your theory. One other thing- Jim and Jenny, you both are stating to cut back on vaccines but to continue to give the MMR because it's from the 1989 CDC schedule. Yet, the pediatrician believes his child may have gotten autism from this same vaccine? So are you on the same page? It's valid to have a theory but you have to prove it. You can't just preach if you have no statistical evidence to prove it- not in our medical society. I don't doubt children may be over vaccinated but to propose it may potentially be leading to autism- there is no proof of that.


Amy Lurie   April 12th, 2009 12:23 am ET

HOW WE ARE TRAPPED!! In North Carolina, public schools will not allow children to enter with an incomplete vac. schedule. It is all or nothing because they only have a religous objection clause. I imagine that families could choose their vacs and then just lie to the schools stating that they had not. However, I think many families do not reject some of these vacs because of this crazy rule. I work with many childrenw ith autism and have for years. I just slowed down my son's schedule but he is still getting them all (unless I can prove he has already had chicken pox before he enters school ) I think that might work.


Angie Steen   April 12th, 2009 12:23 am ET

I'm so glad that you are talking about this!! More parents need to know and study about vaccines before just having them done to their kids.
It is amazing after reading and studying the information for myself and then discussing it with people in the medical profession that they are even unaware of what is in them for ingredients.
I am pressured to follow the trend of just vaccinating each time my daughter has a checkup and just trusting that whatever we are told to do from Doctors is right. They make mistakes too and it is our responsiblity as Parents to know what is being put into them.
Thanks Jenny and Jim for being proactive and spreading the word!!!!!!!


Gail White   April 12th, 2009 12:23 am ET

My son is 26 Yrs. old. Is there hope for him, with your method of cure. Monte was diag. with Autism @ the age of 2.8. He was active and had eye contact and interacted with adults and his peers, and suddenly disappeared into his own world. You can't imagine the multiple diagnosis I was given.


Narayan Shrestha   April 12th, 2009 12:24 am ET

Hi,

Great to know that Autism is managed. Could you share more on biomedical treatment? My 7yr old son is autistic.

Narayan Shrestha


Deborah   April 12th, 2009 12:24 am ET

Jenny is a true testament to what a should be.
Loving, dedicated and informed about all things affecting her child.
It also takes a lot of courage to fight or disagree with what we are told to do (immunizations). I agree completely with Jenny and Jim that it is the parents responsibility to take charge, and be pro-active regarding their childs health. It is our responsibility and duty as a parent to learn everything we can to make informed decisions. Why would we want anything different?


Mimi Kernan   April 12th, 2009 12:24 am ET

Yes! And Thank You Larry for confronting and airing this! Now what can we do to help or change these laws!


Rene   April 12th, 2009 12:24 am ET

What happens when my son is an adult withautism?


Ann   April 12th, 2009 12:25 am ET

Reading posts it is amazing how people hear what they want. They are not saying lose the vaccines, they are saying go back to the 1989 schedule. There are too many vaccines. We have more than other 1st world countries. It is because of drug companies.

Look at the push for the HPV vaccine. They make you feel like you are giving your daughter cervical cancer if you don't get it. Ask your doctor how many 11 year old girls were in the study to gauge the safety and side-effects . I bet the answer is ZERO. Ask how many girls that received this vaccine at 14 went on to give birth to health girls and did those daughters give birth to healthy babies. The answer is they don't know. These are the same professionals that gave women thalidamide (sp.) for morning sickness.... and we all know how that worked out.

Jim Carey is one of my least favorite actors. I can't stand how obnoxious he is in movies. However, as a man he is admirable. Jim and Jenny don't stop you are the voices for so many.


Terry   April 12th, 2009 12:25 am ET

Contrary to Richard's comment, the Amish do vaccinate and they have almost no autism...makes you wonder?


paula   April 12th, 2009 12:25 am ET

Is there a link between kids who where NOT breastfed and Autism, plus all these vaccination?


Randy Lemelin   April 12th, 2009 12:26 am ET

Oh and by the way my sister has come a long way and probably will go very far but will always be autistic.! I don't want to be a bearer of bad news but I feel that Jenny wants to believe that her son is cured and Jim seems scared to face the fact that his son will be autistic for the rest of his life.! I am telling you – Believe me! and vaccines and medications are not the answer ! They cannot recover !!! they can ameliorate and get better and go a hell of a long way, but they will never free of autism.! BTW remember my sister is also deaf let alone being autistic.


Girma   April 12th, 2009 12:26 am ET

I have 14 years boy with Autism . What will you prescribe for a grown up autistic child? Where can I get a copy of your book ? I want to be in touch with you guys Your e-mail adress please. Thanks .Good luck for your effort &passion to help autistic children.


Susie   April 12th, 2009 12:27 am ET

The medical profession turns on those who discover and provide treatments that cure autism. State medical boards go after these doctors for not following the crowd. Few doctors are able to stand up to the harassment and legal difficulties they face when they are willing to really help patients who don't fit the AMA mold.


Terri   April 12th, 2009 12:27 am ET

When my son was a year old, he had the Chicken pox vaccination. He was sick for 2 weeks and he had a fever and rash for over a week. We waited until he was 5 years old before he got the MMR. Now we are dealing with ADHD. I am wondering if certain shots are increasing the diagnosis of ADHD. I now have a daughter who will be 2 years old next month and my son will be 8 also next month. She has not had MMR, Chicken Pox or Flu vaccinations. I refuse to let her go through what my son has done. My cousin's child has Autism and was informed this evening that this little boy has been put on Haldol. I about flipped that a child who is around 9-10 on a medication that I associate with severe mental patients.


Brian   April 12th, 2009 12:27 am ET

So what is Jim saying regarding vaccination – very miselading info from a public figure like him.


Geoff   April 12th, 2009 12:27 am ET

I believe autism is the great social dilemma of the last several generations and will be to future generations. It is interesting that the quick poll on the subject of curing autism is right at 50% yes and 50% no as of this posting. It is important to keep in mind that autism is a spectrum disorder. I do not believe, from my experience, that it is curable. I have been working with individuals with autism both as a parent and as an educator at a private school in Richmond Virginia for the last 18 years. My daughter has not made any progress over the years, and I at on time was confident her condition was due to the vaccines she had recieved. I am happy to hear of Jenny's success, but I do not think that what has worked for her son will work for every child who has this diagnosis. I have seen children make remarkable improvements with ABA, and with glutin free or casin free diets.I have seen students who have continued to regress or suffer even though their parents have tried everything. Because parents are so passionate about this subject and what is happening to their children, it is easy to hear about someone else's success and jump to the same conclusion about what will work for their child. Each child is different. I do believe, however, that there are environmental factors in to the cause of autism, as well as some other conditions such as ADHD. Did you see the report the other evening about dry wall from China and how it is causing health problems in the homes of those that have it (newer homes)? I eventually decided years ago that the best thing I could do for myself, and for my beautiful daughter, was to stop trying to "fix" her and love her unconditionally for the person she is. I feel that has made me a better dad and a better educator. Parents should stop trying to spend their time looking to place blame ( that is the great cultural dilemma of our generation), educate themselves, follow their hearts and how can you go wrong? With that comes the responsibility of accepting what comes your way or way of your little ones. That doesn't mean you stop pushing for change (we probably ARE over vaccinating or children), but stop balming it on this group or that group! No wonder we are in the mess we are in economically, educationally, socially, etc.


kendra lawrence   April 12th, 2009 12:28 am ET

yes i am with some of the ohter moms on here....you are giving parents FALSE HOPE...and if you son all of a sudden was cured after 1 year of therapy...you are not out of the clouds yet. things happen you are early in the stages of autism if your child does have autism. my son had a great year one year we were soo glad..and then he regressed and started having nervous ticks and stuttering got worse. and more anti social..now this year no ticks, but his stuttering is still bad but he has made some friends. you never know with autism.so yes autism can not be cured. hell we dont even know where the hell it came from. it is here and we just need to learn to live and cope with it. my son is himself and i am not ashamed but i am also not going to exploit him. he wants to be normal and i am gonna let him be as normal as possible. because i love him that much


Jean   April 12th, 2009 12:29 am ET

I am wondering about those who are older. What about someone who was vaccinated before 1989 and therefore falls in the "ok" number of vaccines and yet has autism or a form of autism. Why would they have autism and what can they do? What about families were it does seem to be common to more than one person. Is it genetic or are they all sensitive to these vaccines??


LAURIE SOUZA   April 12th, 2009 12:30 am ET

Jenyy & Jim,
Please, please never, never shut up!!!! Our children have had to for too long.

Thank you, thank you, thank you!!!


Timmy Z   April 12th, 2009 12:30 am ET

realization, understanding, and love. Are the doctors to busy to take patient on a one on one basis anymore?


Tom   April 12th, 2009 12:31 am ET

It would be nice if someone brought to light to the public, the connection of these medical groups and the politicians overseeing them. Companies like Monsanto. How about what they are putting into our food. Mercury in the Fructose and other genetically engineered foods. Profit over people...


Chuck Fischer   April 12th, 2009 12:31 am ET

Our son was diagnosed at age 2, he is now 10. He has never been medicated and has never been on any special diet. He is fully included in school and has been since age 3 with a shadow up to kindergarden. He communicates just fine with some A-tipical issues as proper uses of time frame. For the most part what is Jenny's claim to fame? Our son is where he is today because of our hard work. We are both full time working parents and rfun our sons school program on top of everything else. It is alot of work, but the end result is the success of our son.


Brian   April 12th, 2009 12:32 am ET

Thank God Larry has some docs on the show. Nice to hear information based on solid and factual evidence.


Kaydin   April 12th, 2009 12:32 am ET

Paul,
Maybe I should have been a little clearer. I apologize. There are many, many parents out there who are trust worthy and are honest about their children's issues. However, I have met some parents who are not. I have a case or 2 or 3 in mind. The parents have not been honest with the physician about their child and their difficulties, the parents have in fact lied about some of their child's difficulties and it is obvious once I have read the physician's reports that the parents are not honest. In part the parents were not honest in order to recieve funds for their child that they would not otherwise get. Also is it easier for these parents to say they child has Autism than to say anything else. I hope at some point in the near future a reason for Autism is found and that more options become available to parents to help their children. But I also think physicians need to really look at all the pieces not just 1 piece. I do not always feel they spend enough time with the child to determine what is going on with the child. As for your question of what am I affriad of, I'm not sure I understand.


Matt   April 12th, 2009 12:34 am ET

It is great to have awareness brought to the population with autism. We can all understand that parents are frustrated when their child is diagnosed with autsim. However, by only discussing topics that are not empirically proven to work, further directs autism awareness in the wrong directions. Some (very few) children with autism do spontaneously recover from autism after intensive behavioral treatment, although many more do not. By only looking at vaccines people completely overlook twin studies, emprical research, and peer reviewed articles. When discussing autism, awareness should be brought to the high unemployment and underemployment of people with autsim. Autism treatment has come a very long way over the past two decades, and we all need to concentrate on improving the life of those with autsim, and work towards social skill improvements when diagnosed at an earlier age.


jen   April 12th, 2009 12:35 am ET

I just turned on the show after watching Yes Man, so I'm getting my Jim Carrey fix tonight …. Anyway, my two-year-old nephew just completed his second, or last round of shots. I was scared before, during and after, but my comments were brushed aside by family. This is central Iowa, but my sister lives in one of the state's medical hubs, so to speak. Yet there was no mention of options or concerns or doing anything but the norm. I think Jenny's gotten the necessary attention. The problem is, now it seems everyone's stuck, as they've labeled this new info coming from the celebrities as extreme and just a lot of noise. All or nothing isn't the answer; and you keep saying that. But it's like trying to educate people about the danger of food additives, natural and artificial flavors etc. (In the same city my sister lives in, by the way, a man just died after years of mixing 'natural butter flavor' for microwave popcorn. )Most just don't want to go there. It's too overwhelming. Fear is winning. By the way, I had chicken pox five times, and I survived!


Daivd Rubin   April 12th, 2009 12:36 am ET

I'm a 52 year old college grad and I have autism. Can you help me get a job that pays more than minimum wage?


carol hoernlein   April 12th, 2009 12:36 am ET

Dr. Healy is exactly right. Vaccine ingredients have not been studied for their effects on those with autism genes.

Most people do not realize how many foods are a source of free glutamic acid – the business end of MSG. But many people don't know that VACCINES are a very real source of Free Glutamic acid as well. It is in the hydrolyzed gelatin added as a preservative in nearly all vaccines – but especially in the MMR vaccine.

For children with the RNF8 gene mutation which inhibits the formation of glutathione to begin with, the following scientific explanation of what happens in the mitochondria should be chilling enough to force the immediate removal of free glutamic acid (hydrolyzed gelatin) from all vaccines.

According to Dr. Eduardo E. Benarroch, M.D. on Pg 296 of his book "Basic Neurosciences with Clinical Applications"

“There is a low-affinity glutamate transporter that acts as a 1:1 cystine-glutamate exchanger and carries cystine to the interior of the cell in exchange for intracellular glutamate. The released glutamate undergoes rapid uptake via the Na+/K+ glutamate transporter. Accumulation of extra-cellular glutamate inhibits the cystine-glutamate exchanger, resulting in depletion of cell stores of cystine. This predisposes to oxidative stress, because cysteine, a derivative of cystine, is required for synthesis of the anti-oxidant glutathione. Oligodendrocytes are particularly susceptible to glutathione-induced cystine depletion and excitotoxicity.“

In recent research papers by S. H Fatemi, Autism is described as a hyper-glutamatergic disorder. In other words, in autistic individuals, glutamate is in excess in the nervous system.

And so based on well-accepted scientific information, children with ASD but especially those who present with heavy metal toxicity or the RNF8 mutation, and ASD symptoms of taurine deficiency (taurine is also made from cysteine) like epilepsy, irregular heartbeat, frequent diarrhea or constipation, and trouble digesting fats, should be avoiding ALL sources of excess glutamate found in PROCESSED wheat, dairy, soy, and corn and VACCINES with any hydrolyzed protein or gelatin in them.


Mohamed Roble   April 12th, 2009 12:36 am ET

I come from Somalia, we did not know much about Autism. There is no intervention and prvention at all. Children with Autism do not have even special education program taht can help thier future life. Children with Autism stay with thier family. Now we have a large number of Somalis in USA, mostly they live in Minessotte and they have the largest number of students who have Autism. How can you help us resources, counseling and outreach program?

Thanks,

Moahed Ali Roble
Family and Community Engagement Liaison
Seattle Public School – Seattle


Bryan Terrel   April 12th, 2009 12:37 am ET

I have a son that is autistic and was wondering about food relations.


Camilo   April 12th, 2009 12:37 am ET

hello, my fiance's son is 5yrs. old and he was diagnosed with autism at 6months. So not to discourage what Jim and Jenny had to say, but I personally believe that autism is a case where kids are born with it. I don't understand how a vaccine can cause this disability.


E. Pino, M.D.   April 12th, 2009 12:37 am ET

Not all Pediatricians are uncaring. I take care of MANY children with Autism,I agree we are NOT trained in Nutritional management, and
Vaccines are considered to be safe and life saving- this is the message we are educated with. It is NOT that we are ignorant, nor uncaring for most Pediatricians. I have tried to refer several families to a Chicago Clinic which offers such information. Not One of these families have gone. I have even tried to educate that "scholarship" may be available if they will apply. I would so welcome more education myself. As the Pediatrician on the show tonight knows- we are not wealthy. I have very significant student loans, and work full time while trying to care for my own children. I wonder if those acusing Pediatricians of NOT CARING could provide funding, or opportunitiy to educate those of us who REALLY care and would love to help my patients with Autism. Jim Carey, I am so glad you use your notariety to help this cause. How about the government paying for me to get this training instead of giving bonuses to bankers, FIND A WAY TO PROVIDE MY EDUCATION,PAY BACK MY STUDENT LOANS, AND I WILL GLADLY HELP THESE WONDERFUL KIDS!
AND I WILL JOIN YOUR CAUSE!


Pat   April 12th, 2009 12:37 am ET

It is very evident that the medical field is being persuaded, heavily influenced by the pharmacuetical companies, medical boards. This topic has been coming up for decades and somehow it is quickly quited down! Think about the dollars made thru the medical field and if we were to find cures for autism, cancer. So now you know why every time this information is brought to societies attention it is quickly quited down.

Look at the German scientist's success on cancer treatement by creating a high fever (107 degress) thru a "microwave" concept that is actually proving to be very successful. However when introduced to the US medical society it is overlooked? Why? Is it our controlling medical system to help maintain longterm careers, healthy profits?

I don't know but its obvious were not taking the lead like so many other European countries.

Please share this with the US common people.


lexi stober   April 12th, 2009 12:39 am ET

I am a mother of a 1 year old beautiful baby boy. I have tried to educate myself as much as possible about vaccines. However living in MONTANA I have no doctors in my community that will even talk to me about any risks associated with them. I feel like no one will even talk about it. Thanks for speaking your mind we need a strong voice out there.


Charles Kamara, Jr.   April 12th, 2009 12:40 am ET

My name is Charles Kamara, Jr. I am 8 years old. I am in 3rd grade. I attend Thomas Holme Elementary School in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. My dad called me to watch your program with him because my dad belives that I have Autism. My question to you Larry is What is Autism? I am watching your program with my dad as I ask you this question.


Randy Lemelin   April 12th, 2009 12:40 am ET

People!! people!!! People!!!!!!!! Wake up it's by working with the child that will be the best help of all! Vaccines my %$# !!! we might as well drug anyone born with any problem whatsoever.! The ones who know are the ones who have worked with their child for more than 10-20-30 years !!! and this is my sister's case... she's deaf and autistic and has improved without any drugs and she is in her 30's !!!! Jenny's a fake Wake up lady!!! you haven't seen nothing yet ... because the worse is yet to come!


Rose Marie Muhl   April 12th, 2009 12:43 am ET

Larry, Jenny and Jim,
As I read all these blog comments I find a common thread that speaks volumes.... Parents who have autistic children know their child and feel the pain of autism more than any institution/medical community, etc. We, the parents of autistic children, are trapped under a system whose ideology is about medicine and money, rather then medicine and healing. Unless parents have access to large amounts of money or credit there is very little they can do to help their child. The commonality of sensory shutdown happened to our children for a reason; it is NOT a made up disorder or something that is going to go away. Everyday I wonder how my children will function in their lives when I am gone, or if something happens to me. If we would admit that vaccines had toxins that caused this epidemic then the government and the money to help us would be astronomical. Are doctors, pharmaceudicals, or government agencies who threaten non-attmittance if children aren't vaccinated, going to stand up and take the hit for us? Are they going to change their lifestyle to fit the needs of our children LIKE we parents have? The reason I have been laughed at or told to "get over it" is because the truth of this is too overwhelming.
I want to say that Joseph who was in Iraq and his 14 month old son – is almost to a T what happened to my first autistic son. My second son was totally different.... I just sit on this side of the fence totally defenseless and helpless to a bureoucracy that I can't fight because my income and energy is depleted.

If anyone sees the light and believes there is light at the end of this tunnel – please help us – parents of autistic children need you...

Happy Easter and many prayers for light and truth to reign..


MaryJo   April 12th, 2009 12:44 am ET

The problem with vaccinations is that they are "one size fits all". Could it be that some children are more sensitive to vaccinations, and the amount of vaccine given should be based on a child's weight, or some other basis?


Chuck Fischer   April 12th, 2009 12:44 am ET

Why are people always trying to find a quick fix to everything? To say that your son is cured may be an overstatement. Is there some new miracle cure that you have found and the rest of the Autism society has not yet been let in on? We as parents were told by Dr. Ira Lot that you are born with it and you will die with it, that does not mean with the help of therapy you cannot learn to adjust and overcome the issues that are realated with Autism. Our son has overcome so many milestones, not only with his speech but also with his eating and his ability to bee with crowds. It is all in baby steps. Patience is a vertue.


ken   April 12th, 2009 12:44 am ET

hi,

i may have the what termed..Adult Autism...i cannot find a place near me to test me to see if i am or believed to..i have tried everywhere..

i do have to say,,what is wrong with new thinking..jim and jenny etc. it got us to the moon–they say..it has never hurt..i can say that i feel that lady with the white hair..is maybe very intelligent..but stupidin my opinion..and all caught up in the machine running as i put it..i wasn't impressed with anyof the so called doctors....

all they do is talk–like the banks..like the rich..like the government..etc..same old crap....they are close minded and stuff shirt ..same old crap.

i truly believe i have a form of Autism..i have live with so many challanges in my life..and confirmations from friends ,family ..job loss..etc..and until a theripist i was going to found a cognitive disorder asnd then talk of autism and then i read on it..BANG it was me...

yeah lets keep putting more crap in the systems of all of us..yes lets keep fighting ..close the minds..and petes sake get that white haired lady of that show..she reminds me of norman bates mother ..controling and don't tell me what is what...

i am very norm with mentle abilities in some ways..but i know one thing..God Bless..jenny ,,,jim and all digging in more with this..and they never said do not give shots..they said its the over kill and or the new.....TELL THE SELF CENTERED EGOS OF THE ...i am a doctor..i am right and i write books so i know etc..people..they do not know all and we are talking generations upon generations of people...its alwaysssssssssssssssss,,,ABOUT THE MONEY...MONEY

ken surviving


Brian Clark   April 12th, 2009 12:45 am ET

Jenny and Jim, We are so happy for what you have been able to do for Evan. I am asking you both to personaly help my Wife and I get the help for our 9 year old daughter (Peytenn) and hepl us find and afford the same help you have for Evan and help us give our daughter a better chance of having a more normal life.
Thank You and God Bless,
Please Help Brian and Brandie Clark
Email us with any questions you 2 may have.


Brian   April 12th, 2009 12:45 am ET

If vaccines contribute to this disease then would some suggest that we stop vaccinating in certain areas and see what happens? Ridiculous. children would die from all of the disease we were vaccinating them for – and then those people will end up on larry king live.

I am all for awareness and protecting our kids – I am a new dad myself in addition to be a doc. Just an FYI – the real money for pharmaceuticals is not in vaccines – but in medications.


tammy   April 12th, 2009 12:45 am ET

My 14 year old son has PDD. I do not believe Autism can be cured . I am not sure about how vaccine can cause Autism. I am thankful for all the help and resources I have received to able my son to live successfully. I wish more shows would focus on how to help and not fight over who is right and wrong about what causes Autism.


Bryan Terrel   April 12th, 2009 12:45 am ET

I do not think that stopping the vaccinations will fix the problem. We can not be going backwards but forwards. If shots are part of the problems, then we need to find what is it in the shot that is causing it and fix the problem. However, as stated in my last comment, with all the pesticides, dyes, horomones, ect. being put in our foods, I wonder if this may have something to do with autism.


John Grauer   April 12th, 2009 12:47 am ET

I agree about the us doing a better job with vaccinations, But what about local school districts who are supposed to be helping these kids? I have a seven year old son who has autism and who is in a special ed class with other special needs kids that despite teachers efforts is falling thru the cracks. They need to be convinced that these children need more one on one type education. To Jenny and Jim keep kicking butt and taking names!


Camilo   April 12th, 2009 12:48 am ET

Randy Lemelin, hey i agree with you, but i wouldnt say that jenny doesnt know any thing.


Saundra   April 12th, 2009 12:48 am ET

I have a son who is almost 13 and it took a long time for him to be diagnosed with high functioning autism and other doctors have diagnosed him with Aspbergers. I have been following Jenny McCarthy's story for quite some time and I think her message is powerful.

However I want to push the envelope in another direction I believe with early intervention children can move along the spectrum. For example my son was diagnosed with PDD, and later high-functioning autism and now more recently Aspberger's. One thing I have always said is that mom's need to trust their instincts, I even told one doctor that I may not have an MD after my name, but I have something more important, MOM.

My son has received vaccinations and and he was born in 1996, I do believe that children need to be protected and vaccines are important, but it is critical for parents to be advocates for their children, not ALL the vaccinations are necessary. The message that Jenny makes is clear, be careful and selective, and as parents we do the best we can to choose the right vaccines for our children.

My son is fully mainstreamed in a regular education classroom and does well academically and this is from a child who lost his speech at 2 and 3 months. Now my son now interacts, makes eye contact, and can talk about any topic articulately. I do believe that there are many key factors besides whether parents decide to change their children's diets, opt for minerals and vitamins or decide to use medications. Other key ingredients that helped my son with his success was occupational therapy, speech and language therapy, riding horses, traveling with and later without meltdowns, going to therapy with other kids on the spectrum, being fully mainstreamed in regular education, participating in karate, swimming, hiking and going to a variety of places that had loud noises to help his sensory system cope with loud noises. There have been so many components to his success. At times my son has said he doesn't even feel he has autism. I believe that children can learn how to accomodate with typical peers, but as far as a brain dysfunction disappearing, at this time I'm not convinced that autism is curable. I do think that children learn how to cope with the world around them, again early intervention is key.

I do want all families to be hopeful and continue their journey as advocates for their children or family members who have ASD.


Jacob   April 12th, 2009 12:48 am ET

I am a high functioning autistic and I find this whole conversation disgusting, autism is not a dissese. Would you try and cure being black. Some of us don't want a "cure".


Peggie Marsh   April 12th, 2009 12:49 am ET

I think Jenny needs to stop saying there is a cure. The diet is just the same as someone taking medication. Stop the medication you have the same problem. Plus it does not work for eveyone. My son has ASD and my younger son has PDDNOS. DIet is not the answer. I also think there is more then just shots that is the cause. Yes the number is up, but our children having been dianosed with ASD for years.


Taleese   April 12th, 2009 12:49 am ET

I would like to say I agree with Jenny and Jim. My son is 7 and I was unable to get a diagnosis or "label" as some say till he was almost 5. I knew at 12 months. He would spin in circles on a recliner for hours, no eye contach and more.

He is a twin, his brother is not affected. He was the smaller of the two boys and was the one who had adverse reactions to the shots and the multiple amount at one time. I don't think the shots themselves caused it, I do believe they compounded any underlying issues or the fact that he had 5 different shots in one day.

We have got to get something figured out, funding, care, research, insurance reform. i would like the Doctors to live a day in the life of us parents and the siblings of these children. To see the way other children treat them like they are a disease. I have had mine pushed in closets, punched in the stomach, chairs yanked from underneath him to where he hit his head and had a concusion. Yet who is so smart in 1st grade reads at a 3rd grade level. Knows more about computers then his father or I.

What will it take before we realize this is our future generation, those who will take care of us. They deserve to taken care of as well NOW.


Helen   April 12th, 2009 12:49 am ET

Thanks to Dr. Healy for being a voice of reason.
I also commend Jenny and Jim for being public about their care for their son. I hope an open dialog can be continued about this very serious diagnosis.
I agree with Dr. Healy that much research needs to be done in this area.


jody B   April 12th, 2009 12:50 am ET

I believe that immunizations not only affect/cause autism but also might be responsible for ADD/ADHD. Fortunately, I had a girlfriend, German born and raised, who brought my attention to the dangers of immunizations. She shared her books–very dramatic, particulary the one titled A SHOT IN THE DARK, sharing non-government approved information regarding the Pertussis vaccine. My baby had received only two rounds (maybe three) of "required" shots, but I stopped after much more research and thought. I believe she was already affected and has been diagnosed with a mild learning disability secondary to her learning style. Whether of not, I still deeply believe our children are being used for "fun and profit." Sadly,I believe the government agency that should be "protecting" our children is in league with the drug manufacturers. We can't invade the undeveloped immune system without damage–especially to youngsters who may be more at "risk" than the general population. it is disingenuous of the pharmaceutical companies to claim otherwise. Based on my reading, I believe many of their research "statistics" are not honest. As my accountant mother used to say, " numbers don't lie, but liars make numbers."

I have maintained my stand but also know that some vaccines have done much good–but I will only immunize my daughter on an "as needed" situation. So far, we don't feel she has "needed" any of the required shots. She has never been severly ill, and had the chicken pox naturally. I am training her to ask the question as to whether there has been enough research; how many years has the vaccine been on the market and what is the long term outlook–is the vaccine only a partial bandaid (such as the papaloma virus vaccine, and the hepatitis vaccines). I want her to evaluate not only her current health but the ramifications of vaccine use to her long term health and that of her possible unborn children.

One of my girlfriends was vaccinnated with the polio vaccine (a good one for most) and was infected with polio. It turns out, years later when she was trying to get pregnant, that she has an genetic anomaly making pregnancy impossible and what I think might have created her unusual reaction to the polio vaccine.

I support and applaud Jim and Jenny for using their celebrity status to bring this into the public forum and attention. Bravo.

Jody


Tanya   April 12th, 2009 12:52 am ET

I'm just wondering who can really diagonse your child with autism. I've had a psychologist who told me that my 6 yr old son has pervasive development disorder and my family doctor says "NO". Who is right?


Susan I.   April 12th, 2009 12:54 am ET

Autism and Aspergers have no cure! Vaccinations do NOT cause autism or aspergers. As a mother with a 24 year old son who has aspergers, I am offended that these 2 celebrities are on national television saying such um.. hog wash. The best treatment for most of our children is educate yourself and everyone around your child and do what is best. A lot of the treatment is structure and positive redirection.


Camilo   April 12th, 2009 12:54 am ET

Tanya, go to a neurologist


Trudi   April 12th, 2009 12:56 am ET

I have a theory....... Did the children run a temp after each seris of shots? Both of my children had the same seris of shots their first year and neither one has autism, but they never ran a temp because I gave them a warm bath right after the shots. Mainly to keep them from being sore afterwards, they never got infant Tylenol or Motrin(that's questionable right there) afterwards, just a warm bath.
On the bright side of infant immunations, I wish I had had them. I wouldn't have spent 2 months in the hospital at the age of 3 with tetanus, paralyzed from the waist down.


Iza   April 12th, 2009 12:57 am ET

Two grandchildren with Autism. The oldest one had ALL the vaccines but we split the MMR .... he's almost 9. The younger one had vaccines WITHOUT Thimerosal....he'll be 5 on Monday and he's actually regressing right now. I don't know what if the vaccines had anything to do with it but instead of all this FIGHTING and arguing, the energy would be much better directed into finding the ACTUAL CAUSE. Has ANYONE done any studies about incidence of Autism in the rest of the world? What about the mercury in computers which have porliferated in the last 10 years? Your panelist was asked a question about Germany & vaccines and the proper answer might have been to ask what the incidence of Autism is there vs. the U.S.....And the Cure....we're in for a major problem in our society when these beautiful children start becoming adults in the next 10 years.....are we ready to provide the necessary support to them? WE NEED THERAPY!!!! WE NEED A PLACE TO TAKE THE KIDS ON AN EVENING'S OUTING WHERE THEY ARE NOT STARED AT....


Chris   April 12th, 2009 12:57 am ET

If vaccines are so safe why has the Vaccine Court paid out over $1.4 billion in injurys?


Christy K Jurgens   April 12th, 2009 12:57 am ET

What is ignored in this issue is the overall risk to benefit ratio. As a PhD scientist, this is what we consider above all. And what is lacking from this discussion is the need for children in developing countries to be vaccinated.


linda   April 12th, 2009 12:57 am ET

Dear Larry I'm a mom of an autistic son. Joseph just turned eight years old. I do not believe the shots are totally to blame. My two daughter and niece and nephew received the same shots from the same doctor and are fine. I do believe that the babies are born with a gene that might be turned on with a shot or something like that. My one nephew who is on the diet for about 8 years showed no improvement. I don't believe you can cure a disorder but help it in a way. I would have gotten my son his shots anyway, I would rather live with the way my son is today than have him get sick or die from a disease which I could have prevent. I know I could not live with that guilt.


Megan   April 12th, 2009 12:57 am ET

Without the increased research and funding to investigate the differences between those diagnosed with autism and those without, these questions will never be answered.
While I am confident the doctor they showed has an education far beyond myself, I was not convinced by his argument, or lack thereof against vaccines. Please help me understand his main argument against vaccines.


Cynthia Lucas   April 12th, 2009 12:57 am ET

If they suspect that the vaccines are harmful then why don't they try to change the vaccine to remove or replace whatever they think is harmful and improve or change the vaccine altogether. It's a win win situation.


RushMD   April 12th, 2009 12:58 am ET

When they ask Dr. fischer about "why these vaccines aren't used in other similar countries", why doesn't she tell them that the most common causes of certain infections are actually different bacteria in different countries?


meaghan   April 12th, 2009 12:58 am ET

Well let me just start off by saying that Jenny and Jim are quite ridiculous and I have NO respect for them. It is a child WITH Autism, NOT an Autistic child or kid! NEVER label the diagnosis before the child, the diagnosis DOES NOT define who they are!! There is no cure out there and seriously everyone needs to stop blaming vaccines. The number of children with Autism has grown because parents and professionals are more aware of early signs, better technology people!!! Another thing....some people are only listening to Jenny because she is famous, rich, and for some reason thinks she holds the key to Autism! If it was any other 'middle class' family with a child with Autism they would not have this much say by any means!! Look at the research people...there is NO evidence based research that states vaccines or genes are related to Autism!!!


Matt   April 12th, 2009 12:59 am ET

Tanya –

The psychologist is the one who is thoroughly trained in the diagnosis of behavioral disorders.


Steve in Canada   April 12th, 2009 1:00 am ET

It is great that attention and debate is created on this subject. Jim and Jenny are passionate on teh subject based on caring for children and are helping those who would not otherwise be heard. I salute them, and any other public figures who would do likewise. There is definitely greed involved with the pharmaceutical industry. Even if a portion of the occurance of autism can be decreased by cutting back on the number of vaccinations it would be worth it. However, regarding a cure for those children that have autism, there was another couple who had brought up the concept of idea that some cases of autism may be caused by heavy metal poisoning, ie mercury in vaccinations, but treatment for heavy-metal poisoning for their child was a temporary fix. Lets focus on preventing the occurance of autism by finding the cause, and then about cures and treatments.


linda   April 12th, 2009 1:01 am ET

My son was tested for fragile X he does not have it but is autistic.


Peggie Marsh   April 12th, 2009 1:02 am ET

Susan l - I think we need to stick together. I am with you all the way. There is no cure YET!


ken   April 12th, 2009 1:02 am ET

hi again,

lets not forget....in my opinion..evryone in the olddddddd medical field..has much to loose..then oh boy..who will get the credit and all that money from finding..the reason..oh boy...MONEY MONEY..MONEYetc...same old thing

and again that old white haired woman doctor...if she would be from PA..the or one of the most corrupt states in the nation...

shes old school..get her off the air...

with me and all i have learned in 2 years..on my own..while people around me say no..youd don't have it..while i can't work..while i etc...AUTISM...

Praise to that young girl,,that was on the show..and praise to jenny and jim and the doctors who sat with them..

i wish i could meet them....

if i have Autism which i believe i do..i was also tyold by another theripsit i may have ADHD AND several others...

for me its like living in a whole other world even me being 49 years old and nooooooooooooooooooo one gets it...no oneeeee understands... even when they say they do–THEY CANNOT.

it ruined my 17 year marriage...my 17 year job..my other work..my 8 year relationship..my kids who i fear for..

the old docs are coming from research...medicine backed..MONEY MONEY

i wish i could meet jim and jenny or email them...being 49 years old..

parents so many are to busy i think and just miss it as me...

get that white haired lady off the air...OFF

what will the doctors do when all the vaccines fail to work any more..it will come... uh THEY WILL HAVE TO TRY AND BE DOCTORS FOR ONCE

the old docs will always win with the verbile... they do not care..and they are full of BS as always..just like the gov...

God Bless Larry king

and all...CARLY is great...i agree with her and i am 49 years old and can ..well speak ..but not convey right...

closeminded and there are many will never get it

if i can help with jenny and jim please give them my email..i am not saying this to meet them..that would be a great bonus..but i am 49 i believe with this-Autism

ken


Timothy A. Scroggins, MD, DABFM   April 12th, 2009 1:04 am ET

Greetings,
In rebuttal to the pediatric neurologist, who made the statements that: The Amish vaccinate their children, and that he sees all the Amish children.

I am a rural Family Medicine physician in Northeast Ohio, who makes house calls to the Amish. I have 300 Amish families in my area, they do not immunize their children. I have not seen all the children in my area, why would they all see a neurologist. When my patients need to see a subspecialist in a tertiary setting, most of my patients go to Akron Children's Hospital.

Performing a quick Google search while watching the program, I found references to studies done utilizing the Amish as a control group, the data indicated that there is less incidence of Autism in the Amish population.

Sincerely,
Timothy A. Scroggins, MD, DABFM


Robert Hall, M.S.   April 12th, 2009 1:05 am ET

Many years ago., Hans Moolenburgh M.D. of Holland tipped me off to the fact that fluoride opens the blood brain barrier. He told me that at that time, about a third of the most potent psychotropic drugs are fluoride compounds. I checked and he was right. Sarin is a fluoridated pesticide. Fluoride facilitates the ease by which the host drug enters and acts on the brain. What else enters the brain? Fluoridated water has contaminated our water and in turn, our food. Could this be the missing piece to the autism puzzle? Is our government going to investigate that possibility? Why are we deliberately opening the blood brain barrier of our citizens?


Mandy   April 12th, 2009 1:05 am ET

I had the pleasure of working at a diagnostic developmental clinic in Little Rock, Arkansas that specializes in the diagnosis and treatment of pervasive developmental disorders and other developmental delays. The children that would come to our office were from every area of the Autism spectrum. Each of these children was unique and special in their own way. Even though my main responsibilites were in administrative management, about 10% of my time was dedicated to being a resource for our clinicians when they needed to have conversations with parents without the children present. This became my favorite duty each day. My special friends ranged from extrememly bright and social children with Asperger's to totally non-verbal, non-interactive little ones with Autistic disorder. The joy of connecting with each of these children in the ways that met their needs was an incredible learning experience and something that I will cherish always. These brillant minds are often trapped and while there is no "cure" and no truly identifiable cause, the research that is being performed must continue!!! Awareness and additional resources for the parents that do the sometimes exausting work of making the necessary social, educational, and developmental therapies must be enhanced. Praise to these parents and the clinicians that support them.


Sam Phoubandith   April 12th, 2009 1:07 am ET

Hello, my girlfriend has a son with autistic and i would like to know how can we get help to get hime better.


kathy   April 12th, 2009 1:08 am ET

i have twin boys, born in 1995, now 13 yrs old, & 1 of my boys has autisitm along w/ "apraxia" another neurological disorder that is still unknown as to why it occurs; so even though he is 13, he sounds like he is 3 yrs old, very frustrating to him although he has learned how to cope w/his speech disorder. I noticed that there was something "different" w/Michael when he was 3, but my dr dismissed it as being part of the twins, "don't compare", talk, each child develops at their own pace....at the age of 4, i continued to say that i thought there was something not quite right w/michael; verbal issues, lack of eye contact, etc.....so i started to do my own research. And the main issue that kept coming up was the "mercury" in vaccinations; i argued w/my dr about vaccines; when the chicken pox vaccine came out, i refused to get it, i felt like i was a neglectful parent b/c the dr made me feel like i was putting my child in danger if i didn't get that vaccine. That was when he was 7 (in 2nd grade), he is now in 7th grade, still did not get the vaccine & never got the chicken pox; i have also, again, against dr's advice/opinion argued against giving him all the meds for autism as suggested (we did try some but i did my own study during a week when he was off from school) where i stopped giving him the meds, strattera, etc, & there was no difference b/t being on meds & beng off; so now he is off meds, i monitor what he eats, but i have gotten a lot of grief from psychiatrists b/c i don't want to give meds; but i am given a "pat on the back" from his dr who specializes in developmental disabilities; who did say that there may be a connection b/t vaccines & autism. My son is extremely smart & his goal is to become President or be a part of the Environmental Dept of the government; when you look past the verbal & physical delays, you will find an extremely intelligient child. His brother's goal, b/c he has watched his brother struggle w/his issues is to find a "Cure for Autism" so it is not just parents, dr's, & adults, there is a larger group of people who are becoming advocates........children themselves....as you've seen w/Carly.....my son, Nicholas, who wants to help his brother Michael, my girlfriend's son Danny who wants to help his brother Michael, my son Nicholas' friend, Andrew, who has played w/Michael & wishes there was something he could do.......

I think it is time that we start to solve this puzzle & listen to the future generation.....it will be up to them to find the cure; they are the ones who are living it NOW!!


chrystal bonifield   April 12th, 2009 1:10 am ET

i have a 3 1/2 year old austic son..who also has adhd..and i am very happy for jenny being able to find away to help her son cope with life..but i do not believe she has found a cure for her son..i feel it is unfair to say she cured austim, i read her books and they were good and i tried the diets and it done nothing for my son..it was false hope for my husband and myself.. i dont feel shots have anything to do with austim, if so why does only one out of four of my children have austim..i feel you are born with it..my son had development delays from the start. in aug 08 my son bearly spoke and would not show effection at all.. with thearpy and his meds he has begun to speak and he hugged and kissed me for the first time at christmas.. although i know he has a very long way to go it is a start to find away for him and us to learn to live with austim. i get very upset when i hear everyone talk about all this new stuff to try to " cure" him.. i have come to relize there is no cure and problay never wil be, but we have learned to live with an austic child.. i just wish people would educate their self more and not as soon as they hear the word austic they start acting like its a death sentence for these children..they are amazing kids and need love not pity...there needs to be more resorces out there for kids with austim so they can get the thearpy they need.. some people cant afford the thearpy and meds these kids needs..there needs to be more done to help thesekids and their families..


Patti   April 12th, 2009 1:11 am ET

Audrey,
What state do you live in first?
There are tons of DAN doctors out there. I live in NJ but see a great Doctor in PA. If you would like infor I would love to share. I just started myself with my two kids 7 and 4. Patti2822@AOL.COM. Lots of help out there!


Kate   April 12th, 2009 1:11 am ET

I think that we must take into consideration that the number of children diagnosed with autism has been on the rise is because we are better equipped to diagnose it. It is irresponsible to claim that medical vaccines are the main cause of what is adherently a behavioral disorder. Also, stating that children can “recover” from autism makes it seem like some sort of phase that they can just get over.
It is true that some individuals may have adverse reactions to vaccines, just like some individuals are lactose intolert. This does not take away that fact that overall, the vaccinations help save great numbers of children by preventing diseases.


Donna Doyle   April 12th, 2009 1:11 am ET

My 7 yr old son has autism. He is the youngest of my 4 kids. I knew something was different when he was an infant. I do not believe his autism is caused by vaccines, but I am very frustrated by the resistance of the medical community to do the needed research. They seem more interested in defending themselves than they do in finding answers. I agree with much of what Dr. Healy said. It is time for the American Pediatrics Assoc. to stop defending the Pharmicutical cos. and start looking for causes and treatments. My 9 yr old son wants to be a scientist when he grows up so he can stop autism and help his little brother. Lets all hope we don't have to wait that long for answers.


Kaydin   April 12th, 2009 1:12 am ET

Interesting Info from the Autism Society

Are autism rates in other countries rising?
Rising rates of autism are being reported worldwide. In Hong Kong, for example, researchers believe that rising autism rates among children are associated with elevated methylmercury levels, primarily from the large amount of fish consumption there. Methylmercury is absorbed into the blood after ingestion and, in pregnant women, it readily crosses the placenta into the fetal circulation system, and then to the brain (see Fish and Industry Toxins: A Link to Rising Autism Rates in Hong Kong and China by Kulani Mahikoa).


JOAN CHILDS   April 12th, 2009 1:13 am ET

I personally think in this world of greed, and how the drug companies give the doctors perks they will push the vacines even if they have a inkling that they might be the cause of austism.
just like i think the money that is made on cancer patients with radiation and chemo all a money making racket, who cares about people.
Money is the root of all evil


Rob   April 12th, 2009 1:18 am ET

Did I just hear Dr. White Coat say that many children will "out grow" the more severe symptoms?

I have a son with Autism, not a few social issues. I have done my own research on all things Autism and I have not doubt that:
1- there has been a tremendous increase in Autism, ADHD, Allergies, and Asthma
2- the vaccination schedule has also grown drastically over the same time period
3- the food in our markets is not the same as it was 10-20 years ago. Pesticides, growth hormones, antibiotics, dyes, and other chemicals have contaminated our food
4- the medical community, similar to the vaccination schedule, is treating all of our children the same instead of as individuals. Patients, our children!, whether genetically predisposed, immune-compromised, or otherwise, MUST be treated as individuals and not like another "one within the herd."

Stop the fighting and start the healing.


Kaydin   April 12th, 2009 1:19 am ET

COUNTRY

China
NUMBER

1,100,000
DATA SOURCE

Peking Health Science Center (estimate based on official 2005 rate of 1.1 in 1000 children affected)

India
2,000,000
Action for Autism India (based on an estimated rate of 1 in 250)

United States
1,500,000
U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention ADDME Study 2007 and Autism Society of America

United Kingdom
650,000
National Autistic Society 2006 (based on rate of 1 in 100)

Mexico
150,000
Based on estimates by Ministry of Health of 2 to 6 per 1000

Philippines
500,000
Autism Society of Philippines

Thailand
180,000
Estimate of the Minister of Mental Health


Scott Stallings   April 12th, 2009 1:19 am ET

I am the father of a beautiful 2 ½ year boy who was diagnosed with Autism at about 18 months of age. Alexander seemed fine for about a year, when I noticed certain signs, suck as regression in speech and gross motor skills. I raised my concerns to the doctors, but as many other parents; I was told some children develop later than others. We now receive every service provided by the state of Maryland; however, it is the bare minimum of treatment. I do not care what the cause is. All I know, is my son has it. The medical profession and the State, should work on the treatment instead of the cause. All the so called professionals, do not have a clue about autism, unless they actually live with it 24/7 as my wife and I do. Taking care of an Autistic child is like taking care of 10 children. For us, our son has no verbal communication and it can become very frustrating for him, as well as us, trying to understand his grunts and gestures. We have 2 other children, one and seven, to raise as well, and by the end of the day we are both physically and mentally exhausted. The state’s need to help families, by providing more funding for services such as respite or an 40 hour per week aid, just to help with the other children, house work and things of that nature. I support my family on a college salary, which is way below the poverty rate, we qualify for all the services available, but the services most parents need are long waiting list or do not exists. So take all the research money you are wasting on finding the cause, and put it into helping the children and families that Autism affects.

Scott Stallings


Amber   April 12th, 2009 1:21 am ET

It is unfortunate that the many children that are severely affected by autism get lost in all the talk of treatments, therapy and cures! There are so many that are so severely impaired cognitively and medically especially with severe seizures that goes along with their autism that unless someone is offereing brain transplants there is little, or no hope for their improvement. And, it is misleading to all not to address the broad spectrum of autism and how severely so many kids are affected!


Trudi   April 12th, 2009 1:21 am ET

My daughter's pediatrician told me that the pertussis vaccine doesn't prevent them from getting it, just lessens it. I asked after she had ordered a pertussis test on my daughter because she had a rough cough, and she was current on all of her shots.


RushMD   April 12th, 2009 1:21 am ET

Larry I have lots of respect for you and for your show but the interview tonight was BS. The questions asked from the three physicians, have very long detailed technical answers that most people wouldn't even understand unless explained in detail and in everyday language. As Larry the King, you should know that. Most people don't know the steps involved in research and development of any drug, let alone vaccines and when you have individuals making these types of claims, it leaves lots of people confused.

There is no question that it's possible for vaccines or any other medical treatment to harm the person receiving treatment but that goes for every single practice in medicine. Based on an article from a few years ago, the most common cause of acute interstitial nephritis is Tylenol! Does that mean we stop using Tylenol?

These decisions are extremely complciated and involved and they are made based on public health perspective which of course makes it easy for individuals to argue them.

It's nice that Jim Carey and Jenny M parade on your set talking about how they cured their son and I'm happy that they did. But ignoring everything else about the disease, how representative of people are those two? I have patients who get tears in their eyes as I'm writing a script for a $4 prescription for them! It's just sad that these people with millions of dollars and top notch medical care (unavailable to most) at their disposal, mislead everyone by talking about things that they are not trained to talk about. They read a few articles and they think they know it all and can question years and years of research and hard work. Just like Tom Cruise saying Psychiatry as a sicence shouldn't exist and everyone just needs to be hugged! I would love for Tom Cruise to come to the real world and spend time in a psychiatric unit in the inner city and see how far his hugs and love will go.

No one can say for certain that vaccines aren't causing problems but to say that they are causing those problems and they shouldn't be given, is absurd.

Jenny M saying, vaccines should be delayed? Delayed? Obviously she doesn't know why vaccine timing is the way it is. Infants are born with only one class of Immunoglobulins and they get another one through breast milk. They immune system isn't developed enough to have memory when exposed to an antigen. The repition of vaccine are designed to boost memory! That's why initially they're given at an interval that changes as the infant grows. it's just so sad that rich actors get to come on TV and talk about topics that they are not qualified to talk about and put doubts and confusion in the minds of regular everyday hard working people and Larry King Live was the last place I thought this would happen.


Kit Nichols   April 12th, 2009 1:25 am ET

Our son was a very bright, outgoing typical little boy until the age of 5; then, when he started school, he began to become more withdrawn. We spent the next 12 years telling physicians, psychiatrists, therapists that there was something "different" about our son. We struggled through years of anger, frustration, hostility, crying and confusion before we finally got the proper diagnosis of "asperger's syndrome. If we had gotten an acurate diagnosis sooner, our son might have been able to stay in school. Now there are so few funds in our area that testing of young children is at a stand still through the the local autism centers.....we need help, these children need help..don't want other families to go through our struggles......when symptoms aren't obvious like with asperger's, these kids can slip through the cracks. We need to look at the possibilities of causes, be more open to the possibility that it's a combination..genetic predisposition triggered by external sources (such as piggybacked shots)..there has to be something increasing the numbers of autistic children. We need more money for research, for care; and, training for these children as they grow to adulthood.


Amber   April 12th, 2009 1:36 am ET

It is definitely unfare to have millionaire celebrities all over the media talking about what they can do for their "autistic" child!! That is not the real deal, I live in the real world and it's disturbing to see this misrepresentation!


RushMD   April 12th, 2009 1:37 am ET

Rob:

I agree with you that treatment should be individual but that's the responsibility of the individual physician. I'm a big advocate of thinking outside of the box and customizing treatment based on individual patients but the sad reality is that from the standpoint of CDC and other similar organizations, it's impossible to do that. They have no choice but to things from a Public Point stand and you know what that means? Save 90 percent (just throwing out a number to get the point across). You know when you can get the customized treatment? When you have money like Jim Carey. Do you think your child received the same care that Jim Carey's child did? I bet my life that your son didn't receive the same type of treatment.

Another problem with individualized treatment: the legal system. If you deviate from protocol, there is still a chance that something might go wrong. When something does go wrong and you go to court, you're faced with a jury that's not medically trained and couldn't beign to understand decisions from a medical perspective. They make decisions based on everyday thinking. The first thing the lawyer will do is point to the recommended protocol and say: "Dr., the protocols that were set by people that certified you for this specialty said you should have done A to Z. Why is it that you didn't follow protocol". As a physician, you can bring every scientist in the world to support the fact that you as a professional made the correct decision. In closing, the lawyer will say "Dr., if you had simply followed the protocol recommended by the people that certified you, Mr. and Mrs. X would not be dealign with the problem that YOU caused". Good Luck fighting that. So what happens at the end? Doctors that will follow protocol, stay away from doing what you and I are saying they should do simply to cover their own tracks.

I'm not saying it's bad to have the legal system. I can't imagine what would happen to the healthcare system if the lawyer weren't there to keep some doctors in line. I just wish more people would say "stop fighting like idiots and work together, stop talking about things based on reading a few articles or books, stop going after one another because your coffee mug didn't say you'll burn if you spill this on your legs....".

I'm so sorry that your son has autism. From the sound of it, he has a very loving, caring father that will do everything to give him the best life possible and thank you for being that father to him. Let's hope for a day when instead of making irrelevant accusations, people will work together to solve real problems like this one.


lindy   April 12th, 2009 1:42 am ET

ASK YOURSELF WHY THIS IS HAPPENING.

190 thousand dollars for any doctor or pharm compamy to publicly drink mixture of standard vaccine, see below.

Ojai, CA - On January 29, 2001, Jock Doubleday offered $20,000 to the first U.S.-licensed medical doctor or pharmaceutical company CEO to publicly drink a mixture of standard vaccine additive ingredients:

NOW UP TO 190,000 AND STILL NO TAKERS. as of April 1, 2009


Daniel   April 12th, 2009 2:00 am ET

Even when in principle having "both sides" of an issue being considered openly is a good idea, clearly the side of mainstream medicine that supports vaccination is at a clear disadvantage here and I am afradi will suffer consequences that will translate in more children getting diseases that could have been prevented because their parents opted not to vaccinate them. It is not fair to have a side that has a postion based on fear and not science to argue their side in public tv. Majority of people will not be able to understand the complexity of medical evidence or the process that vaccines go through before being approved. WHat they will hear is the fearmongering that vaccine causes autism.
The "idea" of doing a case control study of vaccinated vs non-vaccinated children, may seem like a great idea. I am surprised this was even considered by these doctors, for it would be a HUGE unethical problem with it: non vaccinated children will have to be exposed to a risk of geting one of many diseases that may either kill them or leave them incapacitated for life. What kind of medical facility will carry on this study? In this country? none and I am sure no parent will consent to their children to participate in such a study I am sure. Not being able to see this makes me wonder of the qualifications ot these doctors to say such a brilliant idea in public TV???
Again the medical community is at a disadvantage in getting their message. There is not the equivalent of Jenny Mcarthy on our side, maybe because of the complexity of this issue??


RushMD   April 12th, 2009 2:04 am ET

Dear Steve in Canada, and Richard Sweeney:

Sicne you guys mentioned greed.....

I don't blame you, it's the millionaire that Larry King put on TV tonight that's causing your confusion.

Greed? Did you know vaccincation production is the only sector of the pharmaceutical industry that is price controlled by the U.S. government?

Did you know that today there are only 5 companies (yes five) that produce all the routine vaccines in the U.S.? Yes people are greedy but not in this case.

Since we're on a roll, have you ever heard a pharmacist or a doctor tell you generic is the same as brand name? Did you know that brand name drugs are allowed a 3% margin of error versus generic drugs which are allowed 18% margin of error? Do you have any idea what that means for drugs that have low therapeutic range? Now did you know the same company can have two different factories with one being FDA approved and the other non-FDA approved? Did you know they can make the same drug but one under FDA regulation approval for U.S. and the other one non-FDA approved for other countries? what do you think the efficacy and efficiency difference is between the two? Would you like to try to see the difference if a big difference would make your heart stop?

I'm not for pharm companies or anyone else. I'm just against irrelevant remarks when people don't know what they're talking about.


Danielle Hiner   April 12th, 2009 2:07 am ET

I am so glad to see shows like this one. Community awareness is a so important. People do not understand unless they live with it. I refer to Austim as a thief. It steals so much from a FAMILY... security, emotionally and the mother's maternal dream. It changes does change our lives but I think everyone of us see things different then we did before our child was diagnosed. I know that I do. I appreicate and value the little things more then before. I try to focus on that and thank GOD every day for giving me my son. If the only way I can have him in my life means that I have to live with Autism then I guess I will take it. But I will educate myself about autism and all that it means. Everyone of us here deserve a pat on the back because we are AMAZING!!!

Danielle
Author of "Growing with Joe"


Sebastian   April 12th, 2009 2:24 am ET

I enjoy hearing the word greed and medicine in one sentence. I'm a medical student, 400k in debt which will be 800k with interest by the time I pay it off. A misunderstanding between school and my lender led to deliquency reports on my credit as well as my parents. Since then I haven't been able to take any loans out. Meanwhile, parents took a second mortgage out on the house to help me finish school but their business is on the verge of bankruptcy since the deliquency report caused citi bank to reduce their line of credit which they used for operating the business. I get threats from school every other week that they will kick me out if i don't pay, no payment plan, just cash. When there is a payment plan, it's fifteen thousand divided into three months. I have to take my board exam that costs 2000 and I don't have the money. I have to apply for residency that costs way more than that and I don't have it. Can anyone please help me out? I don't think so. But somehow the same people that will watch me right now eat ramen for 6 months straight, think they have the right to tell me I'm greedy when I make a few hundred thousand dollars in a few years. That's if I make it.


Trish   April 12th, 2009 2:25 am ET

Way to go Carry and Jenny for putting AUTISIM out there for the public!! Oh My Gosh, This Hits Home!!!! I have a story and I am sure you have heard many. This is about my best friend, my sister, Mary Kay. Her son is AUTISTIC, His name is Parker. He just turned 16(He is our heart and soul) . No, we didn't have a birthday party for him, because he is now living in an institution. (THAT WAS OUR VERY LAST OPTION. So, So SAD ) My sister tried everything for him. He is her heart. She has been searching so hard for that missing piece of the puzzle. So far she has not found it and I am counting on you guys for answers.

I watched your show tonight and I 100% agree with Jenny and Carry. We have video documentation of him saying age approriate words then after his immuzinztion, he went downhill from there. It is so heart breaking .

If any of the doctors on your panel are really up for a challenge, I challenge them to my nephew,Parker, I have never seen his case in the media before and I would be interested to see what would happen. We would love and appreciate for someone to explain to us what we are living with, I will forever be grateful(and my sister). If we can find a reason or answer, and you guys can help, then I know that I can finally feel I have made a honest and loving effort to help him. I will never give up on him . He is my heart and my mission. Thank you so very much,
Tricia Weissinger
601.201.7409


Jessica   April 12th, 2009 3:13 am ET

I use to have epilepsy, USE TO. The Docters told me there is no cure. As soon as I quit using the meds they gave me and used alternative medicin. In a weeks time I was seizure free and have been for over 4 years.


Natalie   April 12th, 2009 3:14 am ET

I am a special needs student and we have talked in detail about this "cure" that Jenny has supposedly found and here is the thing. Autism cannot be cured. It can be helped and I believe that what Jenny has done for her son has helped him become functioning and is a wonderful result. However, this will not help every child. It is close minded to say that it will. Autism can be helped but not cured.


Daina   April 12th, 2009 3:14 am ET

YES! Why so many vaccines overloading your childs delicate immune system? It is not logical to do this. If vaccinating is not preventing the diseases from coming back, WHY are we putting our children at risk?!!


Edmund Schafer   April 12th, 2009 3:15 am ET

well this is a hard subject to talk about cause because of factors ex. how bad it the problem how much do the parents care to spend that much time with their kids how much are the medical coct for the thearpy in other you have to have money to get anything done cause an avarage mother most surviving on one income cant afford to spend all day with the kid and at the sam time what the do now a day is GIVE THEM MEDS


Bobby Edmonds   April 12th, 2009 3:16 am ET

I absolutely agree with what is being said. How many times has there been advertisements for drug recalls due to them not safe for consumption( this was only found out after being tested on the open market). This is unacceptable that those we count on to help people are only interested in helping their wallets. I am currently attending pre med classes and can say this is not the type of physician I would want to be.


Christina in Sacramento   April 12th, 2009 3:17 am ET

Im a 23 year old mother, to a one year old child, and a military spouse. I vaccinated my daughter when she was born, and quit the series when she was 1 year old. I want to wait until my daughter has developed a strong healthy immune system until I continue to vaccinate her. I also want to educate myself on what they're putting in my daughter before I let them stick her with anything.

Until she is 2 or three years old I will take the precautions to protect her from disease carrying insects.

If that makes me a bad mom, so be it. I just want to do what I think is best for my kid. I may not be a doctor, but I am a mom. I will follow my instincts.


Andrei   April 12th, 2009 3:17 am ET

I want to know how to avoid some of these vaccines if they are required for high schools and colleges.


Edmund Schafer   April 12th, 2009 3:18 am ET

jim I love all your movies you and adam sandler should get together and do a movie


Mary Houston - Harvey   April 12th, 2009 3:18 am ET

My daughter was born in 1965. Days after her vaccinations she began having seizures. At that time the doctor's knew nothing. They began giving her phenabarbatol. Her seizures got worse and I stopped it on my own. She was a very sickly and hyperactive child. When she was 5 I became interested in nutrition. She became stronger and stronger. She began studying ballet and became quite a famous dancer when in her twenties she began having seizures again. It has taken us 18 years to stabilize her. We had been to 100's of doctors and many famous clinics. We have had over twenty diagnoses. Finally we took her off all medications with huge court fights. We feed her well, gave her vitamins and minerals...found a doctor who treated with her amino acid therapy and she improves daily. She is getting well. I gave up my career when she became ill. Vaccinations are dangerous. Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey are right....We need to save our children. MY daughter lost the most productive years of her life. I lost my career and much of my life. The pharmeceutical industry is criminal. Thanks for having this show.


Trudy Boim   April 12th, 2009 3:19 am ET

When my son was little and they were administering dpt shots, my child would develop a fever before we even reached home. I knew that it was a results of these shots. I beleive someone said it was coming from the"P' part which was pertussus or for whooping cough.
Anyway I called in to the doctor and asked that these shots be diluted into smaller doses and more visits so they were not as strong. It was much better that way. I do believe that giving young children all these massive shots may be vert harmful.


Joe   April 12th, 2009 3:19 am ET

Vaccines have mercury in them. Mercury is Poison. Why would we allow anyone to poison our children? And why do we put up with the lies from the drug companies that are full of eugenisists? They are poisoning our kids. Autism 20 yrs ago was 1 in 100,000, now it is 1 in 140. You think that there is a problem. Look at Gerbasil the vaccine for HPV poisoning our teenage girls. Three shots kills them!


Babs Leibert   April 12th, 2009 3:19 am ET

Both of my sons are autistic. My first was vaccinated as recommended, my second son did not get vaccinated at all until he was 3 years old – long after he was diagnosed! The vaccinations have nothing to do with autism and I get annoyed with people who claim that the vaccines cause autism. I held off on the vaccines because people told me they thought autism was caused by them and I feel I risked my sons health by not vaccinating him – what if he had died of a disease that could have been prevented by a vaccine?


Barbara   April 12th, 2009 3:20 am ET

My son was totally paralyzed and nearly died from a reaction to a smallpox vaccination. He was 20 years old at the time and in the military. He is now disabled and being medically discharged. His life will never be the same. Since his injury, I have met many other military families whose kids were injured by the shots they were given, mostly in boot camp. Like the babies in this country, these young men and women are given a virtual "cocktail" of vaccinations which result in a variety of adverse reactions. My research has found that the dangers of the smallpox vaccination and these vaccine "cocktails" have been known for many years. As your guests said on the show today, the vaccine industry is a huge cash cow - and the greedy are in charge.


Dave   April 12th, 2009 3:23 am ET

My son advancing normally until the MMR shot. He then regressed and was diagnosed with PDD ( a form of autism), he only eats five different foods and his sensory issues are hightened. I firmly believe that shot is the cause and no one can tell me different.


Joe   April 12th, 2009 3:23 am ET

Ok. So Larry can ask these nut jobs, which one of these will be willing to go to jail for the death of the child that dies due to not getting vacinated, lets say of varcella. Will they bet their life on what they saying? If not, why risk some one else's kids life. They talk about toxins in vaccines. Have you asked them to name those toxins and their amount? And can they prove that toxins are in the vaccine? If answered yes to both what is amount of those toxins? Is it more than what we would be exposed to otherwise or less?

One expert said that medical schools are funded by the drug companies and doctors are in on it. So does that so called expert vows never to take his kid to doctor no matter what?


Cameron Waqa (said Wonga)   April 12th, 2009 3:23 am ET

You ask why doctors don't/ won't study or believe this: It's prejudice caused by pride against new knowledge and anything they don't currently know and someone else does. They are too prideful to accept that they don't know information they should know, and don't want to look foolish or uneducated. Who would go to a doctor who doesn't know about something...So they just deny it exists. They are too busy (some too "comfortable") to make the effort to learn something totally new and unfamiliar. I was trained in medicine and this is how we are trained to be.... "Don't believe the other guy because he doesn't know" There is a great deal of pride and separatism amongst different types of practitioners.


Angela Galindo   April 12th, 2009 3:23 am ET

There has been some comments re: vaccinations and Multiple Sclerosis. I had symptons when I was young, but was not diagnoses until my late forties.

What are we doing to ourselves?


Marilyn   April 12th, 2009 3:30 am ET

1) At 6 months my daughter had a site reaction to her DPT shot – having a black dot at the site for about 1-1/2 yrs.
2) At about 3-1/2 yrs. began seeing what seemed like fears developing – she would have to speak to you while going upstairs – you could not speak back as she would then run screaming down the stairs. It worsened with time.
3) I had a gut feeling after finding out that the pertussum in the vacine could be responsible for seizures that this is what could be happening to her.
4) When she was 6 – I met a prof. at a college (where I was taking courses) he had a son who had a seisure on the way home from getting a vacine as a baby (a 25 min. seisure)
5) The medical profession said that was impossible – when he was 2 he could walk and talk .... by the time he was 5 he was in a wheel chair and was unable to speak.
6) It was at this time that he found out about naturopathic doctors – the 1st thing the doctor did was to do a blood & tissue test – the test reveal the pertussum was still in his blood and tissue.
7) The naturopathic doctor did a blood and tissue cleanse – and at 8 yrs old the profs. son was walking with braces and in speech therapy.
Although it did not take away the seizures completely – they did lessen somewhat and could now be controlled.

8) After a private conversation with him about what had been going on with my daughter I had her tested for seizures ..
9) She did test positive for seizures ... it was recommended by the neurologist she be put on anti-seizure meds.
10) I made my own decision and went to a 4th generation naturopathic therapist/herbalist – and we did a blood and tissue cleanse
11) I had her keep a notebook of wheat time it was when a seisure would start and stop and told her we were doing something to help it.
It seemed to make her feel safer.
12) After being on the cleanse program for 6 months – she had no more seizures.

It should be noted that at the time these were not grand mall seizures. Also note that the vacine was available without the pertussum – if you purchased it yourself.

I believe parents need be aware and do there homework .


Kalia Borne   April 12th, 2009 3:35 am ET

I have a son the was diagnosis with pervasive developmental delay, not otherwise specified. I was also told that he would never talk and that was at age 4. Spatk Clinic in Alabama told me this. My son Isaiah is now 6 years old has the vocabulary of kids his age. Now I am told that he has grown out of his autism but he has ADD and Bipolar Disorder: Manic Depression 1. So my question is When they out grow austism are there other side affect us parents need to be looking for. my son is very smart but he can not sit still for more than 1 minute. the meds he are taking are risperdal 0.25mg, catapres tab .1mg, and depakote spr cap 125m. The meds are working to help him but I need to know if I am making the right decisions for my son or am i messing with his future?


kim tedesco   April 12th, 2009 3:36 am ET

I'm not disagreeing that perhaps vaccines don't contribute to the onset or manifestation of autism. For several years, i have been exploring the relationship between shyness/sensitivity and autism. If you view consciousness on a continouim, i believe it is perhaps plausible to understand this as a brain processing malfunction, which may be agrivated by vaccines. But, it is the process of consciousness that will reveal the clues to the answers, and not this misguided, although perhaps legitimate agrivator of the problem. I believe it would be beneficial to explore the correlations between shy , anxiety prone, and autistic individuals, which may reveal the continuuim is speak of


Amber M.   April 12th, 2009 3:41 am ET

I support and applaud Jim and Jenny 100%
I worked in the medical field for over 14 years.
It disgusts me to see the greed – whatever happened
to truly wanting to help people?! And pertaining to
vaccinations, I think that we should hold all health
professionals and drug companies accountable
for what they are doing. People should not be
looked at as guinea pigs for testing out the
latest vaccine. It really angers me to see how
far they have gone. If you want the truth you can
find it. I'm so glad that you had Jim and Jenny
on the show. I hope that there are more brave
courageous souls out there like them, sharing
the truth with people.


Daina   April 12th, 2009 3:42 am ET

Also, what is the hold up on additional reasearch for autism? It is an obvious a progressive problem. Why are they waiting to do something?


valerie cosato   April 12th, 2009 3:48 am ET

My son has been diagnosed with mild autism, he turned 2 in january. We noticed something was different with him before he was even a year old. We honestly thought he was deaf for the longest time... then we just figured he was just a bull headed little boy. I figured that Autism has been around for a lot longer than we think. Jim said Rainman comes to mind. Someone had once told me that a lot of children that have autism in the past were diagnosed as Mentally retarded. I think that sounds more accurate than vaccinations, im not completely turning down that vaccinations could have a part in it, but it really is hard to grasp that is the cause. I personally believe that children and adults who really had Autism were diagnosed as something else. Not too long ago simple case of depression was considered insanity and many people were admitted for that. So why couldn't that be the possibility for Autism? It's just something that doctors have misdiagnosed for a long time.


Mary Jane Ferris   April 12th, 2009 3:58 am ET

About time people spoke out.
I am mother of 4 healthy children raised in the 60's 70's and 80's. Babies only recieved a DPT and polio. Not 26 vaccines. We used glass bottles for our babies, and milk came in either cardboard wax or glass containers. Our food and drug fillers did not come from China, and in petroleum based containers. Did I get the other vaccines for my children? NO.
Why? My mother when I was 9 years old, recieved a contaminated tetnus shot. Mother was experimental for cortisone, after 2 1/2 years of boils on every square inch of her body. I know well the cover up of the medical profession on harm they can do. Finally, the doctor that treated my mother confessed after 6 years, that the tetnus she recieved had been contaminated. Our home smelled like a dead corpse with the amount of boils on her body.
Was it not the act of giving Hepititus C that spread the aides virus? They tell of the deaths of 3 children that did not recieve the flu virus shot, but, never tell how many were sickened by the vaccines.


Pam Gierke   April 12th, 2009 4:00 am ET

My sister/brother-in-law have 3 autistic children, 2 mild and 1 severe. My sister-in-law was a drug addict and she and her husband were both incarcerated for meth use and production. My neice who is serverely autistic was not vaccinated until after they were incarcerated, but showed signs of problems before she received the vaccines – I think there has to be a link between the illegal drug usage and manufacturing occurring in this home and the "autistic" tendancies in these kids.


Scott Bryson   April 12th, 2009 4:03 am ET

Why don't the medical authorities do a study of Christian Scientist's children–who generally receive NO medications–both for rates of autism, and for how often they contract these childhood diseases.

The same scientific bodies that want us immunized also set allowable levels of pesticides and other toxins in our food, air & water. Dozens of new, untested chemicals are allowed into the human ecosphere every year.

The government allows oil companies to put hazardous waste into gasoline, and other similar waste into fertilizer. Rocket fuel shows up in cow and breast milk. We are living in a chemical soup thanks to 'science', which now wants us to eat genetically modified foods. Is it any wonder that all kinds of diseases are increasing?


Conny   April 12th, 2009 4:05 am ET

Instead of giving more and more vaccines to infants there should be more education i.e. about breastfeeding (natural antibodies!)... I should know because I used to be a breastfeeding counselor in my spare time when my child was small.

I am totally with J. McCarthy, Jim Carrey and both doctors that spoke out against too many vaccinations.

I would absolutely support any research into the necessity of several of the early immunizations as well as legislation that parents should be able to educate and then agree to or REFUSE any currently mandatory vaccination if they deem it unsafe for their child!

Conny Wolfram


peter ciani   April 12th, 2009 4:16 am ET

why doesn't anyone use common sense and not give children so young all these vaccinations. if they were spread out one at a time and not given while the childs brain is still developing language skills for instance, i feel the rate of autism would go down. and it is what they partition the vaccinations that is the threat , not the vaccination itself. my son was fine until he was given the measles/mumps and rubella vaccination at a mere15 months old. within 3 weeks he became severely autistic. It was like someone took away his soul. my wife committed suicide over the stress and financial burden and I am left to raise this child by myself. the school system is not equipped with the proper specialists to deal with these children. they all need one on one experienced teachers or aides to have any hope of them recovering enough just to be able to be self sufficient. My life is hell and no one cares enough to help. This is an epidemic!!! what am I to do with my son in the near future? where will he live? i am disabled and he is 16 yrs old already. can you tell me what Jim Carey and his girlfriend did to make there son recover? i need help so bad. I cry myself to sleep every night and don't know what to do to cure him. who will take care of him when I die. I am almost 60 and in ill health myself. what will be4come of him. you hear so much about autistic children, but what becomes of the adults??? are they put in institutions where the proper help, the individualized therapies that they need are non existent??? What do I do now?? please forward this to Jim Carey. my telephone number is 239-592-7428. please, please help me. I need to know what to do. I spend each day filled with fear for my son. this is not living...this is hell on earth.. help me please.....Peter Ciani


peter ciani   April 12th, 2009 4:16 am ET

why doesn't anyone use common sense and not give children so young all these vaccinations. if they were spread out one at a time and not given while the childs brain is still developing language skills for instance, i feel the rate of autism would go down. and it is what they partition the vaccinations that is the threat , not the vaccination itself. my son was fine until he was given the measles/mumps and rubella vaccination at a mere15 months old. within 3 weeks he became severely autistic. It was like someone took away his soul. my wife committed suicide over the stress and financial burden and I am left to raise this child by myself. the school system is not equipped with the proper specialists to deal with these children. they all need one on one experienced teachers or aides to have any hope of them recovering enough just to be able to be self sufficient. My life is hell and no one cares enough to help. This is an epidemic!!! what am I to do with my son in the near future? where will he live? i am disabled and he is 16 yrs old already. can you tell me what Jim Carey and his girlfriend did to make there son recover? i need help so bad. I cry myself to sleep every night and don't know what to do to cure him. who will take care of him when I die. I am almost 60 and in ill health myself. what will be4come of him. you hear so much about autistic children, but what becomes of the adults??? are they put in institutions where the proper help, the individualized therapies that they need are non existent??? What do I do now?? please forward this to Jim Carey. my telephone number is 239-592-7428. please, please help me. I need to know what to do. I spend each day filled with fear for my son. this is not living...this is hell on earth.. help me please.....Peter Ciani


steve   April 12th, 2009 4:29 am ET

Thanks for the balanced exchange on this contentious topic – this was a very rare thing. It was hopeful to see the acknoledgement for more collaboration. However, putting the debate over vaccines aside. Our sons and daughters need help today, post-vaccine or whatever caused it. We have found much benefit in doing biomedical and basic common sense after doing basic labs with our son. It would be hopeful if the AAP would consider what things ARE attributed to positive results. The Autism Research Institute has much of this information compiled from participating parents over many years. Obviously we can't call us parents the doctors, but we are telling what seems to work – why not consider it if the spagettti noodle sticks to the wall.

Carly was such an inspiration to me, thank your for sharing her inner voice with us.


kim and Junior   April 12th, 2009 4:49 am ET

I have a 17 year old with autism. He was diagnosed at age 2. I do not believe his autism was attributed from a vaccine. As an infant his behavior was different from my other children. He was very quiet and did not cry much. I thought he was the perfect child. But, sadly this was not true.His language skills and words did not develop until he was 5 and now he is 17, and he still does not speak in sentences. He cannot carry a conversation, but if you see him you would think otherwise. My son looks like a star athlete. It hurts so bad. I see the girls look at my son in admiration, and then he would jump up and down & flop his hands. Now they look and wonder what is wrong with him. I love my son so much. I want so much for him. But, I still thank God for what I have with him. We go to the store and he love to count the cookies and smell the fabric softner. Our time together are different than time spent with the average17 year old. but I enjoy. I wonder what the future holds for my son. I keep praying for a cure.


Barb   April 12th, 2009 5:04 am ET

Larry, I am the mother of a 6 year old beautiful girl with autism. While I appreciate what Jenny has done, I hope she will focus on positive change not finger pointing. Autism is devastating and I don't think anyone can understand what it does to a family. As a family with autism, it takes tremendous work to not get righteous or angry. We must stay positive and work together to change things. My daughter has recovered significantly, but a day doesn't go that I don't wonder what she will be like as an adult. I haven't spoken up on autism for some time. I've been trying to return to a semi-normal/happy life as my daughter has recovered quite a bit and I am trying to put joy back into our family's life. We were in crisis mode for so long. What I can say about being a parent of a child with autism is that it has been horrifying to see humanity constantly sell out for money. When do we start to put children before money?! I had to fight a school district to the state level in court for my child (not because I wanted to, but because they threatened my child's future). I have had to go up against PhD's telling me my daughter was a genius and I was crazy. Until I got the courage to scream at the pediatrician, he wouldn't refer my child for evaluation for autism. The pediatrician avoided me for a year and a half because he was wrong and had too much pride. I sat in a courtroom and watched a lot of good people working for the schools sell out for fear of losing their jobs. I have been exploited financially by the church as I experienced such tremendous guilt over my daughter's autism and having to take a school district to court to ensure her future. The insurance companies are completely exploiting these families because there are no answers. Time and time again I see people get so bullheaded or think they know everything because they have a PhD, it doesn't help the children suffering with autism. I have had to work really hard at forgiveness of all kinds of people and not allow myself to get angry and righteous. I hope I'll have the courage to write a book one day about my journey as it might help another family. However, I find the topic makes me extremely sad, hurt and angry. I am trying to be positive and lead a happy life so I can only let autism in so much. Thank you for having your special guest. Please feature more children. I was at a Stanford conference where a young man who couldn't speak, challenged the PhD's by talking through assistive technology. He was a brilliant 13 year old locked in a uncontrollable body and couldn't produce language, but was contributing to the papers presented at Stanford. The world needs to know how extraordinary these children are and that EVERYONE should give them every chance to succeed. It is a big challenge to put other people's lives over money, but that's what needs to be done. Family's are ALWAYS fighting non-stop all the systems to try to help their child and all the systems look at the money first. Insurance companies, school districts, doctors, pharmaceutical companies, regional centers, and professionals supporting families with autism (unfortunately there are many out there who see an opportunity to take the money of families in pain and exploit that) need to have a conscience and do the right thing for these kids by putting their lives before money. People talk about the expenses of autism, but if we don't pay to try to recover these children while they are young then we will have to pay for their lifelong care through institutions and the cost will be much higher. Thank you for being an advocate for the topic and I hope it will lead to fruitful dialog to change laws, support for families and address medical issues. Families with autism no that you can't put money before human life and I hope that is something we can help others understand.


Maxi   April 12th, 2009 5:12 am ET

Of course Jim and Jenny are right!! These last 2 years we saw an example with banks, why should we trust on pharma industry? They make obsenous profit, and with the pretext of the risks and investments for the research they get a freebie of regulations....amazing some people don`t see it!!!


Neck Brace Bonnie   April 12th, 2009 5:16 am ET

I back Jenny and Jim 100%. What they are doing is absolutely the right thing. How anyone could say what they are doing is wrong is beyond me. It works for them and others. So, how is that wrong? They are NOT against vaccinating only the new schedule. Autism is treatable and preventable with diet, vitamins, minerals, going back to the 1989 schedule of vaccinations and excluding the garbage from our diets that we don't need to be eating in the first place! What you put into your system is EVERYTHING! A perfect example is Jack LaLanne. Ninety-nine percent of people (including children) do not have the energy & do not look and feel as well as Jack does at the age of 94!

Face the facts. Autism has been on the rise since the new schedule of vaccines. Hardly a coincidence! Drug companies ARE NOT about cures THEY ARE about money. If you actually believe that drug companies are looking out for you and your health think again!

There are a very small percentage of doctors that truly care about their patients. These precious few are rare. In the event that you do find one of these doctors, hold on tight and try to do as much for them as they do for you. The more time they spend with you, the less money they make. Think about this the next time your doctor spends 5 minutes or less with you and is quick with the pen to write you a prescription!


LINDA VERNOTICA   April 12th, 2009 5:17 am ET

MY 16 MO OLD GRANDDAUGHTER WAS DIAGNOSED WITH DANDY WALKER, IS THIS CONDITION RELATED IN ANY WAY TO AUTISUM?
SHE HAD A SERIES OF SHOTS AT 4 MO & AFTER THEM, SHE WAS NEVER THE SAME. SHE STILL CAN'T SIT UP BY HERSELF OR CRAWL OR WALK & DOESN'T SAY A WORD!


Celeste Michele Roberts   April 12th, 2009 5:19 am ET

I am a medical student, and in our study, our professors mention the "role" of vaccinations as a possible cause of autism.


JT   April 12th, 2009 5:22 am ET

My coworker's son was diagnosed and clearly autistic. She did research and discovered a way to treat it with a restricted diet. The boy now seems completely normal. Its a shame her doctor couldn't of pointed her in that direction early on.


John Hart   April 12th, 2009 5:23 am ET

Its is sad to mention this on your show but it is true. The forces of darkness have
great control over the human mind. Evil wants to destroy man and
create negative energy for even greater power over man. There are
many people who in positions of power do not serve God. Remember
in the bible it says that in the last days the Anti-Christ comes 3 times.
False medicine and knowledge is part of the 7 evil spirits of the
Anti-Christ. The world is at war. Also study virus micrograghs.
Viruses are symbolls according to the research of Carl Jung. Carl
Jung said that everything in life is a symbol in one form or another.
You can study viruses as symbols on All the viriolge on the web.


Scott Bryson   April 12th, 2009 5:25 am ET

There are two related scientific disciplines that deal with these issues, though they are far from mainstream: Orthomolecular Psychiatry, as practiced by Linus Pauling among others, and Clinical Ecology. They have had great success with many psychological illnesses.

Also to understand how far off the medical establishment is in regard to mental health, please read "The Myth of Mental Illness" by Dr. Thomas Szasz, which shows the horrors of psychotropic medication.

The drug companies will never develop herbal medications, for example, because there is no way to patent them, even though evidence shows they are powerful medicines. It is common knowledge that drug companies are the most powerful and lucrative industry in the world, and bombard doctors with free samples and gifts brought around by cute salesgirls.

Doctors are trianed to give you a drug for every problem, not improve your diet or the basics like exercise, sunshine, fresh air and to alleviate stress. Thankfully other disciplines are breaking through, like acupuncture, Chinese and Auruvedic medicine, herbalists and chiropractic–all of which used to be laughed at by the medical establishment.

For example I've gotten relief from back problems for decades by gentle manipulation from a Chiropractor–for which most doctors would have suggested expensive surgery. M.D.s don't have a monopoly on health. Don't be afraid to look at alternative medicine.


Charity   April 12th, 2009 5:26 am ET

My second son was born Feb 24th 2001 and died may 11th 2001 5 hrs after getting his 2 month old shots. he was healthy and had no problams until he recived his shots. I belive the shots are not safe I have three other children that are younger than him and I prolong getting their shots. I know some shots are need and do good but their are shot that I dont agree with. When I was a child we servived without the extra shots so what makes us different than our children that we didnt need all this stuff pumped into us but our child need now.


elliot   April 12th, 2009 5:29 am ET

Get rid of the crooked medical field that are killing are kids.! We all no whats REALLY going on .After my two year old got his one yr old vaccens HE WAS NOT THE SAME IN JUST less then 24 HRS LATER! He's benn very tempermentall and highper active since! Lets all stand up for the trueth of the medical greed! Stop killing our babys for your FAT POCKETS!


Celeste Michele Roberts   April 12th, 2009 5:30 am ET

(Naturopath, and Medical Student (MD program)
Some of the professors say that there is no medical evidence showing vaccinations have a role, while others bring up the role of vaccinations, mentioning that it is currently being debated. Naturopaths tend to believe that the vaccinations have a definite role in autism, along with exposure to various other toxins in the environment and diet.


Nadine   April 12th, 2009 5:30 am ET

Why are children vacinated for the rotor viris? My granddaughter still ended up getting the viris anyway. I worry every time she goes to go a shot. And when i ask the doctor about only giving a shot at a time. He told my daughter that there was nothing to worry about. And this thing about autism is not very common.


Mannix Pasaro   April 12th, 2009 5:30 am ET

The thing that i find most strange about this started out with talking about this so called cure for autism even thought we all have a certain amount of autism as its on a autistic spectrum. But yet most people always blame the shots yet how can we tell but the fact of the parents being able to chose is a good idea to be going through with.


LLFox   April 12th, 2009 5:32 am ET

My 13 year-old son, Charlie, has autism. He had a heart transplant at 3 weeks of age. He was not able to have the MMR shot because it is a live vaccine. This seems to be the main vaccine that is blamed for autism. My four other children have had all their shots, and no autism. Charlie has made a great deal of progress with therapy, but our insurance would not help us when we chose to try to treat it medically. They insisted on behavioral health treatment, but there were no professionals that knew anything about it. It wasn't until he was in special ed. that he really got any professionals who knew anything about it, but only teachers and therapists. We have to be so careful with medications and treatments because of his transplant that it is very hard for us to self-treat.


Geoff Brown   April 12th, 2009 5:36 am ET

Message to Jenny and Jim,

Keep the good work up, nice to see selfless celebrities my brother has learning difficulties, not autism due to a bad vaccine strain in the 1950s, i wouldn't change him, but would obviously love to see him normal, time has passed, but however, whatever can be done for preventative measures or rehabilitation of a diagnosed problem is absolutely fantastic, and my voice behind your cause is always available..

You should be so proud of both your kid and yyourselves.

Thank you Larry for being a true journalist and highlighting a problem that is always at the bottom of the pile due to lack of voice


Celeste Michele Roberts   April 12th, 2009 5:38 am ET

And final comment for the benefits of vaccinations:
We have nearly eliminated some of the world's deadliest diseases by the use of vaccines; they are a benefit and effective. I personally only take the absolutely necessary vaccines and avoid all the others.


Jorge   April 12th, 2009 5:39 am ET

There were so many fallacies in this episode it made my head spin.

1. Vaccines are the LEAST profitable area in the pharmaceutical industry.

2. There are no "toxins" in vaccines. There are irritants to elicit a greater immune response to enhance the effectiveness of the vaccine. Each of these irritants is subject to the same FDA scrutiny as every other drug on the market.

3. No study has ever been published in a major scientific journal corroborating the link between vaccination dosage and/or schedule and the increase in autism.

4. It is IRRESPONSIBLE for these physicians to advocate for parents to "make their own decision" in regards to their child's vaccination schedule. There is a reason that these vaccines exist and it is because these diseases used to kill hundreds of thousands of infants and elderly every year.

Parents, please don't gamble with your child's life. Vaccinate your children in accordance with CDC policy for maximum protection against infectious diseases that still kill millions of children in the developing world.

-Jorge the Virologist.


Tony Niemi   April 12th, 2009 5:40 am ET

It has recetly beeing discovered that autistic brains has normal structure. But is dysregulated by noradrenalin. The chemical is a transmittorsubstance in the brain of all humans. They have found a Key.
It has also recently beeing discovered that Cortisol is associated with Asperger Syndrome difficulty to changes in their enviroment.
Within the AS brain and body the cortisol levels don't rise as mutch as in a normal person at morning. But it get reduced during the day as in a normal person.


Carl   April 12th, 2009 5:42 am ET

As a parent of a mildly autistic child I have seen the real results of early intervention and a new understanding of childhood development. I believe that intervention is the key and that autism has been around for a very long time. But is now being understood.
Musicians. scientists etc are our some of the greatest autistic persons we have.
Research a toxic environment but embracing autism is the way


Robin Mindell   April 12th, 2009 5:43 am ET

Working with all kinds of autistic kids, such with cerebral palsy and such within the autistic spectrum disorder I would like to make three comments: First, 5 out of diagnosed 10 children we see are NOT autistic but suffer a congenital cerebral deficiency that includes communication disorders such as seen in many types of mentally challenged children; these symptoms – such as autism – can be diagnosed als varieties of infantile psychosis (such as the ICD-10 describes). Second, 3 out of 10 children have been poorly or not communicated to sufficiently by their parents; disturbed communication skills and the loss of emotional bonding/connection by parents with their children lead to a variety of severe symptoms within the autistic spectrum disorder; again, similar infantile psychotic symptoms are visible but not "autism". Third, ever since we have been focusing on the new modern diagnosis "autism" (for about ten years), the number of so called autistic children has been suddley mounting; this has happened as well with ADHD and other modern diagnosis. The more we focus on this issue, the more we create higher numbers of incidents.
One child out of ten might really be autistic in the sense of the original ICD-10 diagnosis and description of autism. "Autism" has become a modern excuse, not to take a really good look at children within the spectrum of communication disorders, i.e. not to make a correct differential diagnosis and admit, that there are dozens of other primary disorders that include seemingly autistic communication disorders but are NOT primarily autism.
I would not hurt for pediatricians, psychologists and psychiatrist to be more differentiated and take a closer look at children and their parents again, ... prior to declairing a new epidemic called autism.


Stephanie   April 12th, 2009 5:46 am ET

I work with kids who have ASD. I think it's a very interesting disorder. I've worked with kids are very high functioning while others are very low functioning. There is No cure for ASD but there is treatment with lots of one on one therapy. Check your local regional center and ask about programs you may qualify for for your child with ASD.


Debra Pickrel, RN   April 12th, 2009 5:53 am ET

Hi All,
Love this show on Autism. I believe the immunization schedule is just nonsense. My daughter has a son that is now 16 months old and he just got the rotovirus, hepatits B, and MMR. I believe he is still to young for the MMR. There is no need to bombard their immune systems with all these vaccines during infancy. I"ve seen it evolve into vaccine smorgasboord of: oh, lets see what else we can produce and mandate. There is no need to innoculate at this schedule....old enough to know and old enought to say NO. Thank God we can still say NO to some of this insanity.
God Bless you Jenny and Jim for all you do, the education is priceless. Without my intervention, my daughter would not have known she could say "No, lets do that later". I had her wait until Holdan was 5-6 months old before he got his very first vaccination. I do not advocate that you skip them all together, but lets be reasonable, do the basics and the rest can be given later.
I always wondered about the vaccines when my children were small, they were always sick with a cold/runny nose after every innoculation. I would have waited longer to have them vaccinated, had I had this information then.
I agree with Rush MD that physicians are stuck between and rock/hardplace with advocating the sanctioned schedule for vaccines, but with pt education and being honest with people, they can make up their own minds.
Being in the medical profession, I did know those things about vaccines being made here and there, and there are only a few places you can order from. Doesn't make sense to me that a government mandated program should incure shortages, but it happens. The MMR cost to an adult is in the 200.00 range. I just know that these are powerful vaccines that can have an array of side effects. Parents & grandparents need to get educated about this.


sherriwoodward   April 12th, 2009 5:54 am ET

my grandauter has autisum,she is 6,the dr she has dosent take her moms seriously ,and ignors her,(she complains of pains in her knees and wants cold pack) im verry concerned .HELP thank you love your show


Irene, TX   April 12th, 2009 5:56 am ET

RushMD – who sets these percentages that you mention? FDA? FDA seems to be on a pharm payroll... FDA blocks the way to too many treatments and drugs because they are too cheap, too fast and can eliminate many expensive FDA-approved procedures and treatments.. Makes me wonder... Americans should start calling things their true names – our "managed health care" is a criminal conspiracy between pharm companies, insurance companies and giant corporations. Any doctor will feed the system before h/s will start treating you and if not, the system will chew them up and spit them out. All civilized countries offer their population lots of medicine over the counter and only in US we have to pay for doctor's visits, unnecessary tests etc. before we can get, say, a simple high blood pressure medicine. Many kids could have had their teeth cleaned thus preventing many future troubles but no... There are lots of parents who can spare 50 bucks for cleaning but not 300 for initial visit and full X-ray exam. American Dental Association set these rules claiming that a dentist can harm a child or an adult, for that matter, without a full X-ray. So, it must be much better to have no cleaning at all... Greedy liars. You can step in any European clinic and have the teeth cleaning procedure without any further ado. I travel the world, and I know. I had MRI last year (brain and vessels) in excellent Eastern European private clinic for 220 dollars without any insurance, referrals and the rest of the cr*p. A 1-hour specialist visit + blood work including lipido chart – 70 dollars. Mind it, the specialist was with me a whole hour, looked me in the eye and was actually listening to me! Would be close to 1200 dollars without insurance in the States. A well-spent 2 hours of a beautiful vacation. For those who think that the rest of the world is but a dirty jungle – wake up and smell the roses. For God's sake, even many veterinarians in the US admit that annual shots are not required and can in fact harm our pets – for example, the research shows that annual cat leukemia shots can and actually DO CAUSE tumors.


LAMONDA   April 12th, 2009 6:01 am ET

I AM 23 YEARS OLD WITH A 12MONTH OLD DAUGHTER.I'M NOT A BIG BELIEVER IN MEDICINE TO MUCH. I PERSONALLY BELIEVE THERES A NAUTRAL CURE FOR MOST OF WHAT PEOPLE BECOME ILL WITH.BEFORE MY DAUGHTER WAS BORN I FELT THAT A SHOT EVERY 2 MONTHS FOR MY BABY WAS WAY TO MUCH. I ALLOWED MY BABY TO RECIEVE HER 2MONTH SHOT AND FOUR MONTH SHOT. I HAVE'NT BEEN BACK SINCE. SHE WAS HARDLY EVER ILL, SHE HAD AN EAR INFECTION ONCE AND CAUGHT A COLD DUE TO THE CLIMATE CHANGE, AND THATS IT! THE DAY OF MY DAUGHTERS BIRTHDAY I TOOK HER IN TO THE HOSPITAL FOR A ABSCESS SHE HAD. ABOUT THREE NURSES ASKED ME WAS HER SHOTS UP TO DATE. I ANSWERED BACK WITH A LIE BECAUSE WHEN I SAID NO THEY ASKED WHY NOT IN A AGGRESSIVE WAY. WHEN IT CAME TIME FOR US TO BE DISCHARGED, THE LAST NURSE SAID TO ME"TAKE CARE OF THAT CHILD SHE'S TO PRECIOUS".ITS NOT REALLY WHAT SHE SAID IT WAS THE WAY SHE SAID IT. I KNOW WHAT SHE WAS THINKING. IT MADE ME FEEL LIKE SHE FELT I WAS A NEGLECTFUL PARENT BECAUSE MY CHILDS SHOTS WAS'NT UP TO DATE. MY CHILD IS VERY HEALTHY, SHE'S WELL FED(AS THEY COULD SEE),SHE HAD NO CUTS OR BRUSIES AS IF SHE WAS BEING ABUSED; SHE WAS ALSO VERY ACTIVE AND HAPPY EVEN WITH THE PAIN FROM THE BOIL. SO WHY WOULD THEY FEEL BECAUSE SHE'S NOT GETTING SHOT UP EVERY TWO MONTHS SHE'S BEING NEGLECTED????IT'S SAD TO ME. AND I TOTALLY AGREE WITH JIM AND JENNY. IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY AND AMERICA IS BRAIN WASHED TO BELIEVE YOU HAVE TO INJECT YOUR BODY WITH ALL THIS CRAP JUST TO SURVIVE. WHEN WILL AMERICAS COLD HEART BECOME WARM???WE ARE MORE WORRIED ABOUT $ THAN THE WELL BEING OF EVEN OUR CHILDREN. NOW THAT IS SAD.


Dr.Arora   April 12th, 2009 6:06 am ET

The MMR is also given in prepuberty ages to young girls as the disease on its own if emerging in them can result to be teratogenic to the fetus. Why is it that we dont see a correlation between autisim after that booster dose in that prepuberty age group too? why is this correlation suspected only at such a young age. if there was an association between MMR and autism are we not to see an increase in incidence in other age groups as well?
Autism also has a higher incidence in boys than girls. How does that relate to the vaccine? if it were due to vaccine wouldnt we be expecting an equal incidence between both genders?


Loretta   April 12th, 2009 6:08 am ET

I worked with autistic children for 15 years...there is no cure ..


Kasper   April 12th, 2009 6:18 am ET

My name is Kasper, I have been diagnosed with Asperger syndrome (high functioning autism). I believe that part of the reason we are noticing an increase in people with autism is because society has become less and less friendly for people with an autistic handicap. The demands now are higher (I think) than a century ago. I wasn't diagnosed until age 30 when I mentally collapsed. I feel that if I had lived a century ago I would've been able to meet the demands of society without overstretching and therefore without collapsing. Therefore my autism would not have been detected and would 'not exist' according to historical records.


Joyce Clark   April 12th, 2009 6:18 am ET

My son has autism. I first noticed something wrong when he was 10 days old. He had developmental problems and was very slow with all landmark developments. He couldn't sit up until he was 9 months, walked at after age two with lots of help and encouragement. Didn't talk until he was 4. The rocking and head banging started as soon as he could lift his head maybe at a little past 2 weeks. I don't believe his case was caused by vaccines. He was born in 1963.
Intense behavior modification and special schools helped but did not cure. He is high functioning now, but not able to make good decisions or to support himself. Nothing more can be done for him.


Shirl   April 12th, 2009 6:44 am ET

I agree totally with Jenny McArthey and Jim Carey. One point I would like to add. In 2004, I slipped and fell causing a bruise around my left face and eye. The emergency room Dr.'s ordered a cat scan to check for head injury and an "ocular blowout." All checked out negative.
However, I was told I needed a Tetanus booster shot because of the injury with their insistent instilled fear that I could get "lockjaw."

They gave me the shot. After giving me the shot, the Nurse came in with a form for me to sign stating that I agreed to having the shot. It was only then that I learned that the Tetanus shot also included boosters to whooping cough, diptheria, etc. When I questioned the reason for all the other "boosters," I was told that the Tetanus shot now included these "boosters." I had no prior warning, it was only referred to as a Tetanus shot booster.

Within 2 months of the "Tetanus" shot, this otherwise fairly healthy body with an outstanding memory started going downhill. I noticed unusual pronounced short-term forgetfulness, extreme fatigue and aches and pains I never had before. I have not been diagnosed with alzheimer's. Perhaps these vaccine "boosters" may be another avenue to alzheimer's disease.

Most pharmaceutical companies, Dr.'s, scientists, medical researchers, Insurance companies, and politicians–and yes, the FDA– should recognize or need to be taught the greek word, "pharmakeia." Their greed for wealth has overcome their care for a human life. I suggest that all of these entities be required to publicly register certified documentation for every vaccine and drug they take or that they have taken and a law passed that they or anyone connected with our Nation's medical field be required to be the first ones to receive any vaccine or drug that is used on anyone. Let's stop being "hyped" for unnecessary and unwarranted toxins injected into our bodies and those of our children and grandchildren in the ages to come for the greed and wealth of the medical fields in this nation.

I believe they would take their ill-gained wealth and "retire" if the medical field "professionals" became the guinea pigs, especially the CEO's. If that is the case, we won't be surprised when the medical community nationwide will have "breaking news" on "their" new findings about the neglibible effects of vaccines and "FDA" approved or non-approved drugs have a massive "recall, and some politician has quietly had a "no recourse law" against them enacted prior to a recall.

Thank you Jenny and Jim! Thank you, Larry King!!...please stay on this!! You are so right on!!! Hyperactivity, autism and alzheimers are probably only the tip of the iceberg...do we dare think even some cancers? The naysayers that you aren't right will be exposed for what they have probably known all along, if all of us as parents, grandparents (and recipiants of these required toxins) will come out of the woodworks and say, "Enough is Enough!"


Julie DesJardins-Brewer   April 12th, 2009 7:04 am ET

I have worked in special education for over 20 years. All of the children I have been fortunate to work wiith have had some form of physical or mental challenge. Most of their parents, like Jim and Jenny, have questioned the reasons for their child's challenge. Unfortunately, there are no real cures. What worked for Jim and Jenny does not work for all. I have to agree with the professional doctors. To have a whole country revert to no vaccinations, think about what will happen?

It is easy for people to put blame on the "money hungry" companies and doctors. It is hard to accept the fact that your child is ill.

As an educator, I have to keep saying to everyone, education is the answer. Continue to research. I certainly don't want Polio and other fatal childhood illnesses to return just because a couple of "actors" have thier opinion of the "cure". I have to put my trust in the professional doctors and trust my ability to know what is right.


Amy Lurie   April 12th, 2009 7:44 am ET

Reading the posts this morning, I can not find mine at all. Hmmm midnight computer error. My issue is that North Carolina education policies include that each child MUST have all vaccinations or NONE. Parents can space them out but by the time they have to be vaccinated OR we could lie and say they had dond. The none clause is for religious reasons. What have other states done that had to contend with this?


Amy Lurie   April 12th, 2009 7:55 am ET

Iza,

Depending on where you live the state department of mental health might have a substance abuse and developmental disability wing or something like that. You contact the local management entitiy or some portal for the program, bring a psychological evaluation of your child and get signed up to get a case manager. From there a case manager can work to find you appropriate support. There are devlopemental therapies and respite (baby sittig) by trained paraprofessionals who have had background checks and at least a minimal ammount of training. I suggest looking into your state's authism society for directiona nd support like parent groups and advocacy. Don't give up. Some families have moved to our community in Asheville due tot he lage ammount of supportwe have here. THere is a communities alternatives program that is designed to prevent institutioonalization that will give your child or adult child Medicaid and federal funds for support like residental support in adulthood (even for children who need it) Check it out!


Nichole   April 12th, 2009 7:56 am ET

I think the advertisment in that book was priceless. I went to an ob clinc and all around me was advertisments and posters of laser surgery/lipo stuff for types of scars or stretch marks ect. No doctor told me to get this stuff done but they ads said ask your doctor. Seems like they are selling a service indirectly to patients. They also give out all kinds of free samples to clincs to give to patients in order to sell their product. So why would the vaccine company be so different.


stephanie colwell   April 12th, 2009 8:51 am ET

My autistic daughter will be 20 in June has never said a word and is still in diapers i have tried everything i'm a single mother doing the best i can i'm desperate to help my child in any way i can state of michigan is'nt much help she 's been going to school since she was 18 months old please send me in the right direction


Paul McClintock   April 12th, 2009 9:13 am ET

I think that the point is being lost by many bloggers.

As a parent of a PDD/NOS child let me sum up what we are saying.

1. Let’s research our belief that there is some sort of link between the vaccines and the epidemic in Autism rates.
2. You may find that some children's immune systems cannot handle the vaccines. The degree varies – some children may react to the first HepB; with others it may take longer, and they react to the MMR. Other vaccine protocols can then be developed.
3. Yes there may be a genetic link which may make a child more likely to develop normally and then regress, but some of the focus must be on the immune system – that very well be where the genetic component lies.

What can you do to help out?

I'll tell you some of what our family has done. We participated in the genetic research testing at Children's Hospital. We have petitioned our state legislature to have health insurance pay for more of the proven treatments. Speech, social and behavioral therapies, and more recently, neurofeedback are proven to work and work well. The health insurance companies pass these things off to over burdened schools systems, which must provide enough to enable a child to access the curriculum.
The problem is that this generally isn’t enough to enable a child to recover; and if you don’t know education law, the child oftentimes does not get anywhere near what is required under the law to begin with. Any family trying to negotiate a school district’s special education department should have an advocate or attorney. Many families cannot meet that cost. We pay out of pocket for additional therapies that have been vital for our son’s recovery, and had to hire an attorney two years ago to ensure our son’s rights with our school district. Luckily, we have the ability to do that – many families do not. Listening to other families who are suffering because of this issue, we cannot but applaud Jenny and Jim, all of the bloggers who have come forward to tell their story. We thank you for your courage.

America and the world are you listening?


Regina Pepple   April 12th, 2009 9:36 am ET

The United States of America is the greatest and most powerful nation on earth. it is also important to note that it is the only nation that chose to set God as a foundation. Is it not possible that setting God as the foundation may have a lot to do with the greatness of the country as we know it today? No other country has that foundation and none is as great as U.S.A.


stephanie colwell   April 12th, 2009 10:02 am ET

i havent got a kiss or heard the words i love you in 20 years its heartbreaking but i will never give up i just have to know that everytime she pulls my hair , pinches me jumps up and down screaming or biting herself shes just expressing herself the only way she can dont get alot of sleep but i would'nt give her up for anything


Dr. Charles Coram   April 12th, 2009 10:21 am ET

My family experienced two major medical errors in 2005. The first was my
newborn daughter Olivia. A nurse at Ottumwa Regional Health Center asked my
wife and I if we wanted our newborn daughter to receive the Hepatitis B
Vaccine. We both replied "NO" and signed a refusal document. Two hours
after Olivia was born the nurse gave our daughter the vaccine. We were told by Dr. Bittner
that there was "Zero" risk to our daughter. Two weeks later Olivia stopped
breathing and was taken to the ER. She was in respiratory acidosis which is
caused from bronchial spasms. These spasms can be caused from asthma; she
is not asthmatic. Also, these spasms can occur within weeks of vaccines
caused by serium sickness. Our daughter had a severe reaction to the
Hepatitis B vaccine and almost died. The hospital fought the case and we
were unable to get legal help due to the small nature of the "payoff".
Since Olivia lived and has no indication of damage it is difficult to get
law firms interested.
Seven months after Olivia's experience my 36 year old sister (Heather) died
from Fentanyl Toxicity. Fentanyl is a pain medicine that was reported
months before my sister died to be killing people due to doctors misusing
it. The FDA warned doctors and hospitals in July of 2005 that it was
killing patients. She was given the highest dose of the medication and died
20 hours after a minor surgery. As of March 2008 the drug has been
recalled.
I am asking that families who have experienced medical errors to please
contact me and share your stories. We have to fight back because it is only
getting worse.
GOD HELP US!!!
Dr. Charles Coram
P.S. This information has been sent to the Ottumwa Courier many times, but they are refusing to publish it. The couriers efforts to protect the local medical community is at the heart of the problem. The truth should be shared and allow the American people to evaluated the facts.


Pat Smith   April 12th, 2009 10:33 am ET

Autism is an epidemic. It is not just better diagnosed. Parents are not stupid and are the best sources of info to figure out the puzzle so do not dismiss them when they tell you it is related to vaccinations. Someone needs to look at other factors that might be in play during the same time frame. Are these children taking other medications including OTC drugs with dyes and artificial sweeteners? What about exposures to toxins such as pesticides? We do love our green lawns! One of the chemicals in pesticides works to prevent the liver from working. Is that why some children cannot metabolize the vaccine contents? I heard a neurologist from Mass General speak and her thoughts on autism seem the best I have heard. She suggests that there may be some genetic predisposition and there is an environmental trigger. It seems reasonable that we need to look at what is in the environment of those children who are affected and it needs immediate attention. Where is the outrage that this is happening in these huge numbers?


Michael W. Lurie   April 12th, 2009 11:52 am ET

The enormity of the autism and developmental disability epidemic has yet to be widely recognized; thank you for bringing it greater visibility. But I am afraid that it's worse than you think, and Jim and Jen do a great disservice by insisting that any particular child's autism is preventable or treatable. My 26-year old son has autism, and receives terrific services in the state of New York...but it is definitely not the same all over. In fact, it's one of the reasons I moved here with my children from Pennsylvania.

Our environmental poisoning goes far beyond Thimerosal in vaccines and mercury (and lead, barium, arsenic, cadmium, etc) in the air, and the flouride found in 2/3's of our drinking water. It also includes loose monomers, polyphenyls and organic pollution, and even the dust of depleted uranium to which we subject our returning vets. While I appreciate Jim and Jen's enthusiasm, their heartless admonition – that autism is curable and preventable (I agree that certain behaviors are indeed amenable to "treatment:" and improvements can be made) – are a cruel and deceptive hoax The fact that your poll shows that over 50% of your views think that autism is somehow "curable" is proof of this.


Denise   April 12th, 2009 12:19 pm ET

What about the fact that your child can not get into a preschool or public school without all of the vaccinations that are now required? It makes it that much more difficult on the parents to refuse them. I recently moved from one state to another and my 4 year old daughter had to get six additional shots in one day, including Hep A, before she could attend preschool for crying out loud.

There should be an option for parents to choose either the pre 1990 vaccination schedule or the post 1989 vaccination schedule and put the responsibility back where it belongs – on the parent. Then perhaps an "official" study could be done to see if the shot schedule makes a difference or not.

It's not the CDC's or the physician's job to take our parenting choices away from us.


Jan   April 12th, 2009 1:29 pm ET

I am not the parent of an ASD child. I am the mother of the Director of Reasearch, Media Lab, MIT, Autism Spectrum Disorder. I cannot over emphasize the work these dedicated folks are doing to understand and advance ASD early diagnosis and treatment. The scientific world's research is at their fingertips, as well as the testimonials from ASD affected families.

But let's be clear. A testimonial is not scientific research, and Ms. McC's, albeit passionate, blurts are more testimonial and less rooted in the most current scientific data.

Likewise, the panel of professionals who are selected for their opposing views, are NOT front liners involved in research, and not efficient in making their case given the time constraints of your show.

With the exception of Dr. W, on your 4/11/09, interview, many are interpretive "readers" of the scientific persuasion. Certainly, Ms Healy, from the Red Cross, is not on the front line for ASD.

I have been told that many of those folks who spend the best part of their lives seeking understanding about this devastating disorder have never been asked to participate on your panel, or would not, if asked, because of the lack of professional decorum when Ms. McC is present. Many more are just plain angry at the impact she has made on vaccination programs, by publicly promoting outdated and disproved data. Surely know one wants the reemergence of devastating childhood diseases.

It is your responsibility in the public arena to present a balanced view.
Testimonial is not science. No information is ever given about the the pathology of the original diagnonses. There is some consensus among scientists that Ms. McC's. son may have been inaccurately diagnosed with ASD over several forms of a rare type of epilepsy.

What the public does not know from your show, is that there is only a small community of Drs trained and qualified to give an ASD diagnosis by 3 years of age. Medical schools and the family Doc are not on the front line!

As an effort to provide your viewers with better info, how about offering the professionals, most in the know, an hour, without Ms. MC's
representation. I would be happy to provide you with a list of professionals working on the most current data.


Michael   April 12th, 2009 3:36 pm ET

Adults with autism

Having a son with autism for the last 16 years going through all of the different programs and diets and watching the rastio go from 1 in 1000 to 1 in 250 to where it is now. All this time, the face of autism is the 5-year little boy – I ask – What happens to them after they grow older and are not as cute and lovable? We have to look at both ends, "cure" and support. If the "cure" takes ten years to find and test and go through the FDA, that leaves a lot of kids needing support for a long time.

Michael


KJ   April 12th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

i think autistic individuals can be compared in society as Africans were to white colonists and religious missionaries. we think something is wrong with them but how can we be sure if we are not sure exactly how they think. we are also thinking from a point of view that they may or may not understand; thus we should not be so drastic to eradicate this spread but to embrace it as a new realm of plate... i hope that makes some sense to somebody.. just a thought


Aly   April 12th, 2009 4:00 pm ET

Jenny I loved your book mother warriors! I've actually read all your books! I believe mother warriors is very informative for new
Mothers and mothers with children with autism. anyone who has not read it needs to. It answers a lot of the questions people are posting.Good for you jenny and jim for going out there and standing up for something you believe in! I know there are different stages of autism and yes maybe sometimes it is genetics, but so many mothers have noticed changes after their children have been vaccinated with the mmr and other vaccinations. Infants should some how be tested to see if they are allergic to something in the vaccinations! Why are we giving babies a vaccination when they are only 1 to 2 days old! We need continue to drill these peditricians and find answers!
I have a 8 mo old and she has been vaccinated but ifbthy try to give her more then two shots I space it out! There's no need to be giving a baby with little weight that many shots! I am really dreading getting her the mmr shot. Jim and Jenny continue to do what you are doin hopefully soon babies will be on a better shot schedule and green our vaccines!


Diane   April 12th, 2009 4:15 pm ET

Can autism be reversed? Yes. Jenny and others have demonstrated that it can be. What is needed to reverse autism? Does one need to use complicated protocols, see many practitioners, and spend lots of money? No. How can that be? Because the body knows how to heal itself if it gets what it needs and whatever is getting in the way of its healing is eliminated. The body knows how to rid itself of toxins, but avoidance of toxins is beneficial. You can determine what YOUR child's body needs to heal by "asking" it thru using tools such as muscle response testing. If you keep giving your child's body what it needs to heal, which is usually simple things like specific foods, then their body will heal...you will see all kinds of symptoms reverse. Autism, like just about all illnesses, is just the the body's response to what it has been exposed to. It is physics. For every action there is a reaction, and autism symptoms are the reactions that some kids have to what they are exposed to. Whether someone reacts to a vaccine or any other stimulus depends on the state of their body at that point in time. Using the holistic concepts of chinese medicine (balance and food therapy) you can rebalance and strengthen your child using food and the other basics: clean air, water, environment, love, movement and rest. We don;t need alot of expensive protocols and treatments to heal. I know. I was able to reverse my IgE level from 15,000 (the average is less than 100) down to presently 2000 using no medication, no supplements, and no treatment. There is no treatment for a high Ig E level.I just kept asking my body what it needed and did it, and all kinds of symptoms reversed. such as sensitivities to light, sound, heat, animals, dust, foods, as well as needing a weaker distance vision prescription, to name just a few.


Maria   April 12th, 2009 5:38 pm ET

Hi! I was thrilled to see this topic on Larry King again. I have no children at the moment, but will in the near future, and I applaud Jenny and Jim for bringing this topic to light. My child will not receive a Hepatitus Shot upon birth, and will receive only those vaccines that I received as a child, and I will ensure those vaccines are mercury and toxin free. After reading some comments below, it is understandable why this topic is so hard to understand ~ One thing we must remember is that every human born is different ~ some always get sick, some never get sick, etc.....The point they are making about the vaccines is that they increase the risk of autism. Many children receive all of the vaccines and are ok ~ some children receive the vaccine and are not...they have an allergic reaction which could lead to the autism. I don't believe in over vaccinating anything ~ My 3 cats don't receive yearly vaccine's – we have to stop listening to the doctors and believe in Mother Nature and ourselves. A baby born is automatically immune to all diseases the mother is immune to. You are gambling with your childs life, and that is a huge thing to risk! Unfortunately, the percentage of children who develop Autism is small enough to brush under the rug. So sad, but money talks.


johanna Cascione   April 12th, 2009 7:49 pm ET

I think that for a very small percentage of kids you can cure autism thru diet and detox and supplements, however for my 12 year old twins after 10 years and lots of money later, I have found that for some kids there is no easy answer. To imply that on a general basis you can cure autism provides false hope and regret to many famalies that have not been financially or personally able to pursue many avenues. As a community our focuse must be on support, for these famailies and their kids, without that the situation will remain the same, unending struggle for these famallies and inadequate services for these kids. I continue to wear my kids disability like a badge, and continue, like many other famalies to keep up the fight, anyone with info on treating self injury pleae email me need some direction


Antoinette   April 12th, 2009 8:49 pm ET

I have an adopted son age 6 now, who is Aspergers, and let me tell you his story. He has been in foster care since he was 10 mos. old. Was never vaccinated until then, this little boy jumped from home to home getting doubled and tripled vaccinated. He came to me when he was 23 mos old. When I got him, I received no records on any vaccines that he had received. I went to the county and demanded they get all his records, I brought them over to his new pediatrician and thats when we realized he was doubled and tripled vaccinated. When he turned 4 yrs old, his Dr. and I said that we would hold off on those shots until he was 5. He turned 5 in September, he received the vaccines in that October, and there was a decline in his schoolwork. Took me almost a year in and out of Drs. office and in the end he was diagnosed with Aspergers. This little boy was absolutely fine, as with all young children that come into my home, I immediately get them evaluated by Early Intervention. The only problem he had was understimulation as a baby, he received speech therapy for 3 mos, and they discharged him, proving he was fine. He was fine up until he had his vaccinations at age 5. Were those set of vaccination just put him over the edge that his little body couldnt take it anymore? Thats what I believe....I absolutely believe there is something in our vaccinations that is causing this to our children, I also believe it's not the only thing that is causing Autism. With my older son who is Autism, I believe he was born with it.


Antonio   April 12th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

I was watching your show right now and I notice that it was written underneath the breaking news the following: OBAMA AUTHORIZE HOSTAGE RESCUE. I think when you refer to president Obama you should write "PRESIDENT OBAMA", it sounds much better.


Archie   April 12th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

Every parent of an Autistic child should be made aware of the work of Dr. Natasha Campbell-McBride. If Larry King were to have future discussions on the topic of Autism I would strongly urge that he get Dr. Campbell-McBride on his show. A neurologist and a nutritionist, Natasha has been healing Autistic children and adults naturally with food and probiotics. Her book Gut and Psychology Syndrome outlines the causes of Autism, ADD, ADHD, Schitzophrenia and other learning disorders and how to correct them.

Why do some children get Autism after vaccinations while others do not? Because some children with impaired immune systems cannot handle the insult of a vaccines. Vaccinations are not the cause of Autism however it is the straw the breaks the camel's back. The immune system resides primarily in the gut, fix the gut, strengthen the immune system and you will reverse Autism. Natasha has cured her son or Autism and continues to help cure others around the world from her clinic in the UK. She is a fantastic speaker on the subject and her work is spreading quickly.


crunchy   April 12th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

Have you ever read any studies NOT designed by those who hold stock in pharmaceutical companies??? And that 50% BS? Are you brainwashed Ryan?

Marlon – what if people DON’T vaccinate? I got all the diseases in childhood except Polio so I’m a first-hand account that vaccines both fail and wane. I’m also here to tell about it which should tell you that the diseases are not deadly. You can even find CDC documents where they themselves say so – the vaccine available diseases are not fatal diseases, they are self-limiting diseases! If they were deadly then most of us wouldn’t be here today because our grandparents (or their grandparents) would have died!

Do you people not realize how many millions of people got these diseases throughout history and many lived to tell about it?

Did it occur to you that the spread of disease (it’s transmission) has changed tremendously over the past few hundred years? Do you not have any faith that medical technology has come a long way since then?

Do you not realize that most often, toddlers and children never even require medical attention when and if (big if) they do get Chickenpox, Measles and/or Whooping Cough?

Do you know how likely it is that your child or grandchild will get Tetanus – do you realize that it’s not even contagious?

Do you think that vaccines work 100% of the time? Are you people not smart enough to wonder why cases of the Mumps, Diphtheria, Polio, and Rubella are almost unheard of in the US? Is it possible to have one of these diseases and not even know it?

Do you stop and ask yourself how likely it is that a baby, toddler or pre-schooler will be having drugs or doing sex? Because that is how Hepatitis B is contracted. Hepatitis B is the first shot that babies get in this country. They give it to them right in the hospital, only hours after birth. The CDC, AAP and the vaccine manufacturers are all well aware that this vaccine will and does wane long before any child is old enough to be having sex or sticking dirty needles in his/her veins!

How did people get so dumbed-down about this issue???


crunchy   April 12th, 2009 11:50 pm ET

"I don’t understand how we can prevent our children from getting autism by not getting them certain vaccines. If this is true then how come all kids who have had all their vaccines don’t have autism? Only one of my three children have autism."

Jennifer – a more logical approach would be to find 1 in 150 Autistic kids who have not been vaccinated. Likewise, find some SIDS babies who were not vaccinated. Heck, find 1 in 300 Autistic kids who have not been vaccinated. Or 1 in 600, or 1 in 1200...or what the heck – Just find ONE child who didn't get a single vaccine who's got Autism.

I mean, there's RARE – and then there's the pharmaceutical stock holding CDC's kind of rare...


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 12:09 am ET

“Why they don’t talk to some parents of children with the diseases which these vaccines prevent?”

Why would they do that Kemmie? Why are people so brainwashed to think that these diseases are so terrible and deadly? Your kids are so unhealthy that they are incapable of surviving the same diseases that humans have survived throughout history? I’m a parent of three children who had chicken pox – what do you want to know? Like most, my kids did not die from it so my story is just like most stories about the disease – not in the least bit scary! Sure, sometimes complications of a disease will arise and sometimes modern medicine kills…the chances are what intelligent thinking people will consider – what’s the chance? How likely is it? Next ask yourself how likely it is that a vaccine will protect your child. They do wane, they do fail and they do harm. We’re talking about diseases that in healthy children, never even required medical attention in the past!

Wake up people!


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 12:12 am ET

Lila, if you are confused, a good book to read is Neil Miller’s “Vaccine Safety Manual”.


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 12:34 am ET

"It is essential to discuss the risks and benefits with their pediatrician first, and to give the information you get from the internet to the pediatrician for consideration."

And remember, your pediatrician was trained using the same textbooks approved by the very people who earn money every time you buy their drugs and vaccines! There couldn't possibly be any conflicts of interest there! On the one hand, what's written in those textbooks gives clear instructions about which pharmaceuticals to administer. Then, on the other hand, the textbooks are not just approved by those with conflicts of interest, but they are also written by those with conflicts of interest. They control the doctors with their own version of medical education and then they control the parents with fear – they own the market. How sweet!


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 12:37 am ET

As a speaker I can stand before you and claim that I’m not being paid to speak here today…does that mean I have never or will never earn money from the pharmaceutical industry through jobs, speaking engagements and stock purchases???

I sure hope that government education helps you get the government job of your dreams one day medical student!


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 12:46 am ET

People think that mercury was removed and vaccines were suddenly safe but that is not the case. Mercury wasn't removed, as a matter of fact when women are carrying babies their doctor will recommend vaccines that do still include mercury. Mercury, as well as many disease and the other ingredients in vaccines (like antibiotics) have not been proven not to cross over to the baby.


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 12:52 am ET

"Where is the medical evidence that vaccines cause autism?"

Where is the medical evidence that autism is NOT caused by vaccines?

"Larry weren’t you vaccinated? I’m sure Jim and Jenny were too…"

Educate yourself! A simple comparison to the number of shots that Larry got as a child – to the number of shots a typical child gets today!


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 1:08 am ET

“Yes, May be.. but is Maybe a good enough evidence to stop vaccination.. we need STUDIES.. solid evidence to show that connection.”

Yeah, we do need studies. We need to stop vaccinating for a very mild, self limiting disease such as chickenpox and see what happens – study that! We need studies that determine how the spread of disease has changed since the common use of appliances such as dishwashers, clothes dryers, vacuum cleaners, toilets, showers, along with the ability to keep our skin clean and the use of antiseptics when cleaning our child’s boo boo’s…

“Maybe only certain children with certain genetic makeup will develop complications!”

Genetics do not occur in great numbers such as 1 in 150 or 1 in 60 (NJ boys)!


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 1:11 am ET

"Furthermore, if there are concerns regarding the safety of vaccinations, then i would expect lower proportional rates of Autism is populations such as the Amish."

Do you live in la la land? The one child discussed on Larry King by the provax doctor was actually adopted, so those people have no clue as to his vaccination status!


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 1:14 am ET

Sam if you want to serve your patients well – learn to heal instead of prescribe.


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 1:16 am ET

Ofra Gaito – how about when a child is born to both a mother AND A father who's over 40? My kids were and they are perfectly healthy, no vaccines, no autism.

You won't be young forever hun, change that line of thought now.


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 1:20 am ET

Ernestine Green – If people will stand up and stop this political and corporate vaccine/drug pushing campaign then maybe we can get our insurance companies to cover non-pharmaceutical based medicine.


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 1:27 am ET

Nancy – how wonderful it is to see someone standing up!

Thanks! Society needs more nurses like you!


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 1:32 am ET

Dianne, I believe the first time I saw the word "conspiracy" was in your post? I'm guessing you own some pharma-stocks yourself?


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 1:42 am ET

Michael – Get a clue. Hepatitis (B), mumps, measles, rubella, even polio are not permanent or life-long. Autism is.

I had mumps, measles and rubella – it wasn't so bad. In a healthy child, it rarely ever is "bad".

READ!


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 1:45 am ET

"Thank you! Thank you! Thank you! I just had to finally give in and give my 5 year old the chicken pox vaccine because they wouldn’t let him into public school without it. I hated that I was forced to give it to him"

What state are you in that that would even be legal? In most all 50 states, a parent cannot be forced to vaccinate and your child still has a right to free government education.


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 1:51 am ET

"First, It has been scientifically proven that there is absolutely no correlation between Vaccinations and Autism. "

That is not true. If it is, then prove it with reference to a peer-reviewed journal.


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 2:00 am ET

"a child dying from Measles, Mumps, Chicken Pox. Also a recent outbreak in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania at the Children’s Hospital was due to a non native of the United States who carried the disease from another country, which contaminated 5 children at the hospital who parents decided not to vaccinate. Thirdly, when you have guests on your show that are not medical doctors, or who not have studied into the medical field to keep their comments limited to their knowledge. Don’t attempt to be educated about a field where you have NO knowledge. Thank You."

Obviously Robert A has no knowledge of the facts...

Like the fact that when a healthy child gets chickenpox, mumps or measles, the condition rarely requires medical care. If it did require medical care, it would be due to a secondary issue that occurred in addition to the chickenpox, mumps or measles, (aka complications) and not by the chickenpox, mumps or measles disease itself. He may also note that the overuse of NSAIDS can and has killed many patients with chickenpox, mumps or measles.

Another important FACT is that young, recently educated doctors may not even know the difference in chickenpox and smallpox if a patient came in with either.

And for his sake, I hope he'll study some simple human designs like transmaternal immunity and myelin sheath.


crunchy   April 13th, 2009 2:09 am ET

Imagine for a moment, Lorraine Pearson, Mom of a child who was perfectly normal, spoke clearly, spoke daily. After vaccination, he suddenly stops speaking forever. The doctors demand that it had nothing to do with vaccines. Then imagine yourself years later, after reading anecdotal evidence after anecdotal evidence after anecdotal evidence that repeats your same story...would you then see vaccine science for what it is – or would you believe your very own eyes?


Yvonne Mikulencak, Executive Director AWA   April 13th, 2009 10:50 am ET

Jenny M. and her Boyfriend Jim need to pull back. They are changing their message every year. They have done a lot of harm by shilling no vaccines and now state they are telling people to have vaccines but in a different order. This is what happens when Celebs believe their own press that they are God to their fans. Irresponsible behavior like they have shown to the public on this issue is now backfiring. Her son progressed like any Aspie child does with proper parenting. There is no cure, no magic, and she did nothing special than any other parent who took time to work with their child. I am shocked Larry King had them on another time, when there are more credible people including adult aspies who are better represesntatives of Autism and Aspergers on these issues and scientists. I am really disappointed in this Larry King Broadcast even though it was well meaning. I feel Kings research staff needs to do more research on guests and not worry about their celeb status for ratings in lieu of damage they can cause with false but well meaning information. There are many qualified people and organizations who would have been more informative guests on Autism Day.


Daniel   April 13th, 2009 1:02 pm ET

Dear crunchy
You seem to have an awful lot of time to write in this blog. Could you tell me what do you do?, do you have any science background. You seem to have some understanding of numbers.
I am also curios as to know what do you do when you get sick if ever. Do you go to the doctor . I also wander what would you do in a life threatening situation?, because if doctors are so biased, I assume that you won't go to any of them.
In a recent outbreak of hib infection, some of the affected children developed meningitis, I gues it is just a piece of cake in your view. Why don't you call the parents and tell them so. "your child acquire a disease that is beningn, don't worry". Or to the moms of the many infants that have died of whooping cough in this country even on this date. And have you ever in your life have seen a child with measles in your life?


Daniel   April 13th, 2009 1:08 pm ET

To a parent whose child acquired a vaccine preventable disease:
Has your child being exposed to an unvaccinated children and got sick because of that?
There is a growing number of situations like this. Unfortunately I think there will be more and the only way to stop this non sense of not vaccinating children will be to have their parents be hold accountable: their children are a risk to the other ones who are vaccinated and they should be held liable.
If you don't want your child to be vaccinated, this should not harm other children.


Dana   April 13th, 2009 3:20 pm ET

“This isn’t related to autism, but immunization. I allowed my son to have all the recommend vaccines including the chickenpox vaccine, now my 11 year old has shingles, luckily a very mild case, but I was never told that he could get shingles after having the vaccine, his doctor told us that he was the second case that day, maybe this is something that should be brought to the attention of the public”
Yes, and we see this much more frequently in the future. The childhood diseases have shifted to adults and the adult diseases have shifted to kids. Well, not just kids in general, but vaccinated kids.
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“This year is the first year in decades that we are seeing child death due to H. Influenza,”

You seriously need some history lessons. You may also want to be aware that some vaccines weren’t needed until some vaccines created new strains of some diseases.

“a vaccine preventable death”

Since vaccines are not 100% effective – that phrase is an oxymoron.

The HIB vaccine is only created to work for certain strains. Did you perform the lab work that confirmed the strains matched the vaccine if those kids had been vaccinated?

“because the children were not immunized.”

You saw their personal medical records?

“Do you think the parents of these children will ever forgive themselves for not vaccinating?”

How dare you! There’s no proof that the vaccine would have worked. Spend a little time researching and you’ll be surprised to find small disease outbreaks where the majority WERE vaccinated.

“I am concerned that as less children get immunized, we will see more serious illnesses and death due to vaccine preventable diseases. “

Well I hate to break it to you but your concerns are a product of group-speak and hearsay because there’s no proof what-so-ever. There is, however, proof that the diseases don’t spread as easily in our new living conditions – not like they did hundreds of years ago. That is obvious when you look at the difference in disease outbreaks in developed VS non-developed countries. It’s not rocket science! Society needs to smarten up and read, not listen to hearsay.

“Will Jenny take responsibility for that or will she blame the AAP for that as well?”

Why would you expect her to take responsibility for YOUR child??? I hate to inform you but it’s in your hands to do what’s right by your child – not some celebrity’s!

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Silvia Grace – “How can vaccine cause people get autism when usually the children with autism are mostly boys and both sex have the same vaccine”

Could that be because we’re not all identical? Could it be the myelin sheath matures faster in some children than in others?

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Joyce Thompson – It’s called “No Child Left Behind”. That is why all Autistic kids who get help from the government are thrown into mainstream schools and for some, regular classrooms.


Dana   April 13th, 2009 4:08 pm ET

“You seem to have an awful lot of time to write in this blog.”
Or maybe I just type fast.
“Could you tell me what do you do?”
Research. I work for myself.
“do you have any science background. “
Well, I’m certainly getting one.
“You seem to have some understanding of numbers.”
And they are oh so pathetic and sad.
“I am also curios as to know what do you do when you get sick if ever.”
Do I mask the symptoms with pharmaceuticals, is that what you’re asking? No, I don’t.
“Do you go to the doctor .”
I sure do, and they know better than to prescribe me something that won’t heal, but instead, causes many side-effects. I don’t take drugs to treat symptoms.
“I also wander what would you do in a life threatening situation?, because if doctors are so biased, I assume that you won’t go to any of them.”
Well you assume wrong. We do have a hospital in my little one-horse town and I even know how to get to the emergency room if I need it. But since we’re not pharma-junkies at my house, we tend to not need it.
“In a recent outbreak of hib infection, some of the affected children developed meningitis,”
And that happens in both vaccinated and not vaccinated populations. What happened before they created the HIB vaccine Daniel? You’ll be surprised to learn that the number of HIB cases of meningitis was much much lower back then. Ask yourself why. Ask yourself why this number will continue to grow.
“it is just a piece of cake in your view. Why don’t you call the parents and tell them so. “your child acquire a disease that is beningn, don’t worry”.
No, I wouldn’t say it’s a piece of cake. Being that today’s child is so very unhealthy due to all the environmental toxins that they ingest, on top of the injected ones…Yes, today’s kids often do get complications from simple benign illness. It’s no wonder, given how often MD’s weaken, instead of strengthen, the immune system by use of MORE toxins. I wish doctors could get off that merry-go-round but their textbooks have trained them to keep the pharmaceutical industry alive and well.
“Or to the moms of the many infants that have died of whooping cough in this country even on this date.”
If the Mom’s had the Whooping Cough when she was a child then her baby would be protected by her immunities. My babies were! The problem is that today’s infant is NOT protected by Mom’s immune system because Mom herself was vaccinated!
“And have you ever in your life have seen a child with measles in your life?”
I was a child the last time I saw measles and I myself had it at the same time I saw my cousins with it. Does that count? Can you believe that we never even saw a doctor the entire time???
“To a parent whose child acquired a vaccine preventable disease:
Has your child being exposed to an unvaccinated children and got sick because of that?”

No, in our case, my child got the vaccine preventable disease from a child who was vaccinated for the vaccine preventable disease just days prior. And let me take the time to tell you that this was my son, he WAS vaccinated for the vaccine preventable disease that he got (Chickenpox).

“Has your child being exposed to an unvaccinated children and got sick because of that?”

My son stayed at home. When my daughter got the disease many years later we had homeschooled children coming out of the woodwork wanting to have chickenpox parties. We didn’t though because we realized that she had already been exposed to most of those children, in close quarters, when she was most contagious (before the rash appeared). And I may add that not a single child got it – not one. You might want to ask yourself “Why?” again, Daniel.

“There is a growing number of situations like this.”

Yep, there darn sure is.

“Unfortunately I think there will be more and the only way to stop this non sense of not vaccinating children will be to have their parents be hold accountable:”

And who we gonna hold “accountable” when a vaccine fails or wanes Daniel? Can that be you?


Dana   April 13th, 2009 6:12 pm ET

Julie DesJardins-Brewer. If, as an educator, you can read Science and History books, you should.

We no longer live in an environment where these disease are widely spread.


Angie   April 13th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

I am the parent of 2 adult children, one with PDD the other with autism. Please don't tell me that the MMR did not cause the autism because it did. What I find upsetting is that there is never mention of the adult with autism. These children do grow up. In this time of budget cuts, there have cuts in programs, housing,etc. where are our adult children to go? I am not getting any younger, who will care and advocate for my children when I am gone? My children belong to a great program but because of budget cuts some children are in danger of being denied services unless the parents apply for medicaid. New York State is telling the non profits that provide these services to tell parents that unless they apply for medicaid the cost of the program will have to be out of pocket!! Not everyone can apply for medicaid. not everyone is eligible for medicaid. What is a parent to do??


Hyacinth   April 13th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Let me say this.....I've been reading on and on about Autism...and the exact same thing happen...(don't know if you saw my short post). When my son was a baby he was developing FINE! I loved the coos, smiles, hands opening etc....and then we went to get his regular shots... then he got sick with a cold which lasted for days....then they wanted to do a spinal. (I was young) what did we know back in 1984 about Autism? What did I know about questions to ask? NOTHING.

Within 10 days my son STOPPED cooing...do you hear me STOPPED...he focused on lights and no smiles. Each time we took him to the Dr. we were given excuses like the shot could not cause that each child is different. He was given so many many test, genetic testing because they thought Cerebral Palsy... Hell is didn't was or talk good until he was 4. If I could go back (to NY – I live in SC) I would raise hell with parents about vaccines. NO, I can't prove it but hmmmm it sure is a coincidence.

It makes me sick to my stomach to see him suffer as a yoiung child in school because he was different. Now he is 24 and will not ever go to college, get a good job because of the inability to function.

thanks for letting me vent!


Robert A   April 13th, 2009 11:15 pm ET

There are many issues with autism that ranges from the unknown cause to no cure to adulthood. Until there has been proven a connection with vaccinations, you must get your children vaccinated. (Reasons are simply because they will be required to get them anyways when they enter school) and it is much worse to wait to get all of the shots at one time just to get them into school. You can't point blame at something that IS NOT proven. It can range from genes, to atmosphere, to anything. And the reason the RATE of Autism is rising is because doctors are more easily able to diagnosis it. The dramatic change is a GOOD thing because this enables parents with Autism to get special help for their child. As for when they are adults, what about the children who grow up paralyzed, disabled in other ways. Parents do what they have to and can to provide for their children. The fact is, people listen to these uneducated ACTORS who influence uneducated people. You must think of the benefits for your child at hand, Autism can occur at any time and it has been proven in many articles that there is no correlation. From when most of us where children who had the chicken pox, mumps, or measles; it was horrible and we should be greatful we are still alive and our children have a vaccination for it. Be thankful our children do not have to suffer like we did. Lastly, if you truly want to avoid your children having vaccinations, that means you will have to adjust you and your child's lifestyle to fit that: Meaning, Homeschooling; avoid social interaction with OTHER children, etc... Don't bring your unvaccinated children around the parents to choose to keep their child safe from what IS known.


Crunchy   April 14th, 2009 12:13 am ET

"Don’t bring your unvaccinated children around the parents to choose to keep their child safe from what IS known."

If your kids are vaccinated then what the hell are you worried about???


Joseph Grizich   April 14th, 2009 8:43 am ET

I have ready almost every single post on this subject now, and I am seeing two trends. The first is parents are seeing a connection between the MMR vaccine and their child regressing. The second is individuals harping on about it's not vaccines there should be a scientific study before some uneducated celebrity talks ill of vaccines. For these super pro vaccine people let me tell you something; almost every single one of these parents with children that have autism (and yes I am one of them) have utilized the scientific method. They might not have realized it but they have. It is seven simple steps. Also, why is the medical community blind to what is staring them right in the face. I have documented video evidence of my sons regression. I came home from Iraq prior to my son's MMR vaccine, I pulled out the camera and started taking video, all of this was one week prior to the shot. And then I provide all the subsequent video there after. I am not a doctor, I am sorry, I had to stop going to college because I couldn't afford it so I joined the Army. But I am a lot smarter than most of the doctors in this country, one because I am willing to change my original thought on a subject, and two because I am capable of independent thought and make decisions for myself based off the evidence at hand. I have plenty more to say, but I will leave it at this for now. If you want to hear more just ask me, I am full of many thoughts.


Dr Mark Hayden   April 14th, 2009 12:53 pm ET

The following article is private and may not be written or disseminated without written permission of the author.

As a sensory input modality , sound and the language that uses sound will control most adult human thought and behavior. What you believe and worship will be affected by what you hear and listen to . Whether a human is a Muslim Christian Protestant Catholic Republican Democrat capitalist or communist will be affected by what they hear. "Faith [belief] comes by hearing". However humans don't become a muslim or republican by hearing a foreign language that they don't understand. A human must hear a religious or political doctrine and listen to it in an understandable language before the doctrine will have any affect on their behavior. All human perception occurs at the level of the cerebral cortex. Before a human can see he lives in womb where sound can penetrate. Even before we can speak the first word a normal baby will startle or turn head to direction of a new sound or where a sound comes from. Autistic babies will often disregard ordinary sounds that would cause them to turn a head and investigate the source or meaning of a new sound. In some cases this can be first evidence of decreased behavior control of sound. Many autistic parent initially thought their child was deaf and have hearing test because the baby or infant does not turn the head at the sound of name or sound of a door closing, Autistic parents will often have extensive hearing tests performed using auditory evoked responses .Auditory evoked responses are often normal and yet the child does not respond to auditory environment such as turning to sound of a door opening or sound of their name.Research with his function autistic children show that signals make it to brain cortex of autistic children. Further most studies of histology show that their are no detectable cortical damage at the brain cortex of autistic children. Why then does the autistic brain not utilize sound input in intelligent way? Autistic children can focus on nonverbal processes that use visual input well.
Autistic children might utilize vision input to put together picture puzzle as fast or faster than non autistics . Autism spectrum disorder includes delayed verbal and social development .The delayed verbal development occurs because the neuronal input to the primary auditory cortex is not presented in a useful fashion. The social delay occurs because the autistic child can not follow the auditory stimuli in the environment that control the behavior and thought of other children at the same age.When the teacher asks the class to follow , the normal student processes the sound to cortex with normal hearing listens and follows the command. The autistic student hears the noise, but can not listen, process the command, and follow the instruction. A loss in the ability to listen will make learning language difficult or impossible. Bloom an author on speech development in children points out that children learn language while listening to others. The child that can hear but can not listen will have delayed speech development and will not be able to follow verbal command or social cues that depend on sound processing. The ultimate value of hearing is being able to listen intelligently and change behavior. Hearing without listening is useless to produce intelligent social interaction.The value of hearing is measured in the ability to listen and respond to auditory information. If an autistic child can not listen and respond intelligently their hearing is useless. Specifically autistic children usually have binaural hearing ut are poor listeners.The autistic child has an impairment in the functional use of sound. Even higher functioning autistic individuals will have trouble with intrepreting social cues simultaneosly with literal interpretation of words.
Now let us discuss how autistic children can have clinical hearing but lack the functional ability to listen . What is well known is that humans have two eyes like they have two ears. The two eyes send visual input to primary visual cortex . The primary visual cortex receives information simultaneously from both eyes. In layman's terms , humans can see with one eye or both but usually sees with two eyes that are visually aligned. When humans look to the left or to the right they move your eyes in coordinated fashion to focus both eyes on the focal point . Now let us apply this analogy to the ears . Both ears send information to primary auditory cortex simultaneously.Humans can hear with both ears or only one. most of the time both ears are sending information to the auditory cortex. Vision can be blocked by closing an eye but humans can not "close your ears". The auditory pathways from both ears can not be turned off by voluntary means. The signal from both ears will reach the primary auditory cortex.The auditory information from both ears that reaches the primary auditory cortex must be synchronized. This is not widely known nor appreciated but synchronization of auditory input to primary auditory cortex involves automatic subconscious shifting auditory information from the left or right ear so that each frequency arrives at the primary auditory cortex at the same time. If a human is suddenly cross eyed then they have double vision and reduced use of visual input to primary visual cortex. For instance it is hard to drive read or catch a baseball if you suddenly have double vision.You automatically synchronize your eyes when you gaze from the left to the right but your are unaware that it requires effort because it has become automatic.
Bilateral auditory signals to the primary auditory cortex must be synchronized for each specific frequency that reaches the primary auditory cortex. Initially , in the womb low frequencies are transmitted better than higher frequencies which are absorbed by mothers tissue more quickly. Longer frequencies are easier to synchronize than shorter frequencies. If binaural frequencies from both ear are not synchronized the a frequency signal will arrive at the primary auditory cortex from the left ear before the right ear. The rapid change in amplitude of a frequency will be reduced if frequencies are not synchronized. Spoken language is represented by sudden changes in amplitudes of certain frequencies. Without bin aural synchronization the perceived rate of rise in amplitude will be distorted and reduced and the use of language will be delayed until the synchronization defect is overcome. In bin aural hearing synchronization of hundreds of frequency bands is required for accurate resolution at these frequencies. Human hearing starts in the womb using both ears and synchronizing the frequencies before their arrival to the primary auditory cortex.Humans are always hearing sounds their entire life and synchronizing sounds their entire life . Normal ears can hear the beating of a mosquito's wings at one meter distance. Normal human experience prevents the creating of absolute silence where no audible sounds are created. Brain processing is required for all sound processing which is continually occurring in the brain.If sounds come from the left [or right] side of the head your brain the pressure wave will hit one eardrum before the other. In summary what all this means is that in ordinary brain large amounts of processing are required to synchronize the binaural auditory system.
Your vision has one focal point allowing you to visually focus on only one object in your visual field. But your auditory processing center has dozens or more focal points allowing your mind to listen/auditorily focus on dozens of different instruments simultaneously.
The auditory binaural system routinely requires massive processing to be capable of synchronizing sound from dozens of different frequencies at dozens of different angles simultaneously.
The usual listener at the front row of an orchestra requires the bin aural mind to synchronize sound from a dozen different frequencies [instruments] at a dozen different angles with each frequency at its specific angle will requiring a specific frequency and angle adjustment. Listening to an orchestra on the front row requires enormous amount of mental processing which occurs automatically enjoyably without the listener even being aware of how his mind and attention are consumed by the music.
The exact amount of mental processing for bin aural [two ear] sound synchronization is not known but is likely enormous since humans are the only animals with complex spoken language.Mammals and birds have bin aural system and bin aural system adds slight improvement in sound localization. Cave man often lived in the dark and with only sound to guide him would need to consciously listen for sounds of dangerous predators and determine consciously if predator was attacking and the direction of the attack. In the dark cavemen need to know when the saber tooth cat attacked and where to thrust his spear. In total darkness of a cave only hearing provided warning of attacking predators. In modern life , binaural processing is a luxury unnecessary for excellent academic and social performance. Individuals who hear with only one ear have monaural hearing are not significantly handicapped in gaining admission to higher academic centers. Humans can have normal academic and social performance with just one ear. You can place a plug in your ear and still listen and perform at work and home.If you are listening with one ear and have totally blocked all auditory input you will not need to synchronize hearing from both ears. Neurons activity is plastic meaning that neurons that are not functioning for one purpose can often be utilized for other purposes. If an infant stops hearing with the left ear their mind will no longer require the bin aural synchronization system and the subconscious effort and brain processing required by the bin aural system. A monaural auditory system can process without the complexity and brain power demands of the bin aural system. Ordinarily in people with normal auditory function the only situation where normal minds benefit from bin aural listening is in "cocktail" parties with sound arriving from mutiple speakers simultaneously . Autistic people don't often get invited to cocktail parties and rarely have two people talking to them simultaneously. Autistic and mentally retarded are socially ostracized and are lucky if they can have even one person speaking to them at a time. Autistic and brain damaged individuals can get use of speech and language using a monaural auditory system without the complexity and processing demands of bin aural system.
How then can high functioning autism be explained using problems of bin aural auditory system. The "high functioning " autistic patient has delay in verbal development due to difficulty with bin aural sound processing. Eventually using much brain processing language is mastered.The increased demands of language processing reduced the mental processing power available for other functions including social development. The higher functioning autistic masters language but has reduced mental capacity remaining to simultaneously socialize and speak. It is possible that the antisocial repetitive behaviors of autism re produced by the stress of autistic mind trying to subconsciously overcome an impaired bin aural system.
My two year old son did not have normal head turning or respond to his name . At 29 months he had verbal age of 18 months.
My son was diagnosed with autism at Auburn University in Alabama by trained specialist. My son had specialized device placed in left ear which reduced the signal input of left eardrum . His right ear drum was the primary source of auditory signal input.Tis auditory system was essentially monaural using the right ear drum for input. At forty months my son had verbal age of 31 months and 35 months when repeat testing was performed at Auburn University. My child after using the experimental ear tube for 10 months was the first child at Auburn who was given the diagnosis of Autism in Remission. Less than one year after promotion of monaural speech development program for my son he has virtually caught up with normal speech development.The monaural auditory system does not require the complexity of the bin aural hearing system and may be preferential in some cases for brain damaged individuals or those whose rains are overwhelmed by complexity of bin aural system. Yes most parents and physicians would never consider this approach because I invented it but my sons results speak for themselves.
I want to set up an experimental program that utilizes monaural auditory process to reduce the demands of auditory processing so that more processing is remaining for other brain functions.

Mark Hayden Md


Crunchy   April 14th, 2009 3:25 pm ET

That is very interesting Dr Hayden, thanks for sharing. In my experience, my brother could hear just fine. He made eye contact with me, and our Mom and Dad – but not very often. He had a few words to express his delight but none to express any negative feelings. He seemed to never get his feelings hurt and even physical pain would not make him cry. I didn't understand how you explain the functioning Autistics above, but I am glad that you shared your ideas. Now if you can just find a way for big pharma to make money off it – then you would get the much needed funding to study this further. This would be well worth every dime but it's not making someone's boobs larger or increasing peni$ size or making sex last longer – so the funding will be very difficult to obtain, as I'm sure you already know.

The FDA is as corrupt as the day is long and people need to stop blindly putting their faith in these government organizations without realizing that it's ALL ABOUT MONEY.

Keep up the good work anyway!!! Maybe society will wake up one day and get smart about this stuff. Until then, the drugs will continue to cause death and destruction and the holders of the stock will continue to see the value grow. The vaccine decision makers will continue to approve new products that help their stocks grow. But don't worry, they'll pull the deadly products after their patents are up! Yes, it's too late for most people by then, but hey, look at all that money that was earned along the way!


Robert A   April 14th, 2009 4:16 pm ET

Just a quick off the subject note, Crunchy if you are not happy about the way the United States is run, you have two options. Get into politics and make a difference, which would require an education. The second option for you is move to another country where you think the government is run better. Also many people who are against the vaccinations are bias, because they either have a child who is autistic OR have someone close who is, therefore, they want to blame someone for the mishaps.


Robert A   April 14th, 2009 4:28 pm ET

If you also read the Oprah interview Jenny Mccarthy did, there are a lot of holes that you could run through that story. Let's run through it:
1. She claimed her son was approx 2 1/2 years old when he first starting taking seizures. That is approx 1 year past the age when the child is supposed to receive their vaccination.
2. She stated she went 3 hours outside of a hospital to visit Evan's grandparents. There are a few causes that could have contributed to Evan's Autism.
a. His heart stopped causing a lack of Oxygen to the brain due to a febrile Seizure.
b. During the 3 hours it took to get to a hospital she stated the child have seven more seizures within a seven hour period. Why did not one attempt to control those Seizures with the proper medication ? Did she attempt to monitor the fever during those hours ? Fevers cause brain damage not seizures.
3. Lastly, she claimed to have missed the signs of Autism at an early age. However, the signs are very obvious. Doctors and especially the parents should notice if the child lacks attention to items, movements, and development. ********(Also who bottle feeds their child at 2 1/2 years old ????******)
There is always more than what is told but if people allow the influence of these uneducated people to affect their decisions, they put their children more at risk.


Crunchy   April 14th, 2009 4:39 pm ET

"Also many people who are against the vaccinations are bias, because they either have a child who is autistic OR have someone close who is, therefore, they want to blame someone for the mishaps."

Yeah, cause blaming someone makes it all better doesn't it??? It makes it almost as if the vaccine damage never even occurred. I'm sure that parents all across America feel that way...

That is such a tired, overused and stupid statement...why do people think that having someone to blame is somehow a good thing???

Oh and I'm doing PLENTY to spread the word about how corrupt the FDA is. And people are getting smarter about it.

Given your statement where you refer to such a life-altering affliction as a "mishap" I'm guessing you will do whatever you have to do to protect your precious pharmaceutical stocks!


Crunchy   April 14th, 2009 4:44 pm ET

Robert, really...if you know so little then stop posting! The assault with vaccines in this country begins with a child is only hours old and it does not stop until the child is a teen. Past the teen years, you can go into the military for your vaccine damage or you can wait until you're old and then lessen your immune system with the toxins and disease that will or will not protect you from dying from a flu that may or may not kill you, vaccine or NO VACCINE.


Crunchy   April 14th, 2009 5:33 pm ET

"2. She stated she went 3 hours outside of a hospital to visit Evan’s grandparents. There are a few causes that could have contributed to Evan’s Autism."

Really? Well since you have it all figured out, do tell. Tell us how the car ride caused his Autism...

"a. His heart stopped causing a lack of Oxygen to the brain due to a febrile Seizure."

So the lack of oxygen caused the Autism? Alert the media.

"b. During the 3 hours it took to get to a hospital she stated the child have seven more seizures within a seven hour period. Why did not one attempt to control those Seizures with the proper medication ?"

Ask any parent out there what drug would they give their child while he's having a seizure and see what they tell you...

Actually – what kind of DOCTOR - would suggest popping a pill into the child's mouth when he's having seizures? Or did you want the actress to stop and find one of her TV -doctor actors to run an IV in the car???

"Did she attempt to monitor the fever during those hours ?"

Being a Mom and all, I cannot image why she wouldn't.

"Fevers cause brain damage not seizures."

And seizures are caused by vaccines. Coincidentally, so are fevers. It states that both can occur right on the package insert that comes with the vaccine. Yes, the manufacturers are well aware that vaccines cause both fever and seizure in some patients. These side effects are those that can be legally referred to as "not common" when they are indeed common, very common. Your doctor only knows "not common" though because that's what he's brainwashed to believe.

Parents need to step up and get the facts, drop the hearsay.

"3. Lastly, she claimed to have missed the signs of Autism at an early age. However, the signs are very obvious. Doctors and especially the parents should notice if the child lacks attention to items, movements, and development."

If those signs are not pronounced then why would you think anyone should notice or not notice? I mean, you expect a doctor to be able to guess at what went on during that child's life when he wasn't there, yet a parent is treated like they were never there either. Only they were there, they know their child better than you or any medical doctor or pharma-scientist. Thank God for YouTube because at least now we can show the world that these children CHANGED after a round or two or three of vaccinations. And in this country – that word is never singular -it's always vaccinationS not vaccination!

I got 5 when I was a child! How many does today's child get before the age of 6 in this country???

" ********(Also who bottle feeds their child at 2 1/2 years old ????******)"

That is none of your business. It has what to do with Autism?

"There is always more than what is told but if people allow the influence of these uneducated people to affect their decisions, they put their children more at risk."

You know what? That mentality has worked for politicians and all the rest of you who desperately NEED for people to be "uneducated" and uninvolved. Well, I have news for you, people are getting themselves educated and they are learning that the FDA and AAP are in bed with the pharmaceutical industry. Soon, people will learn the truth. I hate to imagine what society will be like when the truth comes out but it will happen one day. Socialized medicine is the first step in government to try and protect these past lies but the truth will catch up eventually.

And keep telling everyone how DEADLY these diseases are and maybe, just maybe, logic will play a part and people will question how the hell their ancestor's survived if all these diseases are as deadly as the CDC will have you believe.

Vaccines cause damage, it's not just the MMR. Another secret they don't want you uneducated people to know is that the old vaccines create a need for newer vaccines.

Paul Z Miller has a book called "The Vaccine Safety Manual". Unlike some books on the subject (like those by Paul Offit) which only make statements but never back-up the statements – this book references every statement with peer-reviewed articles.

It's a must read for doctors, parents, hard-headed scientists and anyone who may want to get the facts about vaccines.

Some autistic children regress within seconds, minutes and hours, not days. If not for those occurrences, these parents would not be standing up. If parents will just get involved and learn about it, you will begin to see the lies and if you're like me, you'll get really angry about it. When you WATCH your child change, you know that they are not telling the truth when they say that vaccines had nothing to do with it. It happens that way for many parents, thank God it does because it's likely the only thing that holds this debate together. Well, that and the lack of Autistic children who were never vaccinated.


Yvonne Mikulencak   April 14th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

To those who referred to my post.. I am an Aspie, 57 yrs old and recently diagnosed. Never had a vaccine till I was 6 yrs old. The AWA is the Asperger Women Association. We are on the spectrum. We do not recognize Jenny as a spokesperson for our organization. We do recognize Dr Temple Grandin, Ph.D and Drs Marti and Dr Wilson who are experts on Women and Children on the spectrum.


Robert A   April 14th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

Crunchy just proves my point in my previous post. He/she has a child with Autism and are looking for an outlet for their anger and someone to blame. They shed no positive answer for a problem that is occuring in children. I am glad that there are intelligent educated people like Yvonne to support the safest way for our children. I need not answer any of the questions posted in crunchy's previous posts, simply because she proved my point of uneducated people:

“b. During the 3 hours it took to get to a hospital she stated the child have seven more seizures within a seven hour period. Why did not one attempt to control those Seizures with the proper medication ?”

Ask any parent out there what drug would they give their child while he’s having a seizure and see what they tell you…
Actually – what kind of DOCTOR — would suggest popping a pill into the child’s mouth when he’s having seizures? Or did you want the actress to stop and find one of her TV -doctor actors to run an IV in the car???

Questions like these make perfect sense because it has to do with the parenting practices which safeguard their child.

And to answer that question. The medicine is called DIASTAT. It is used to help stop seizures once they last longer than 5 minutes. Of course you might know that if you were educated.


Joseph Grizich   April 15th, 2009 12:41 am ET

This is for Robert A. Do you live with Autism? Do you have a child that is autistic and one that is not? Do you have video evidence of a child with autism before and after the MMR vaccine? My son was 14 months old, almost 15 months when he received his vaccine. When I returned from Iraq prior to this vaccine I took video with him, playing and interacting with me and his mother. For two to three days after the vaccine he became lethargic and detached, and stayed there. Both of my children developed the same up to that vaccine, my youngest son is on a delayed vaccine program, and I also do not allow any vaccines in my children that I haven't checked out first. I know what the vaccines are made from, I know which ones are and are not safe. My wife and I made the mistake with our first son. We were uninformed and were naive enough to think doctors knew what they were talking about. My wife and I have educated ourselves. We read books from many different authors, we research drugs, illness, and symptoms online. I don't allow anyone to think for us, and I have learned that to get what I want for my children I do what is necessary. I have told many different pediatricians they were fools and knew nothing, not because they weren't listening to me, but because they were unwilling to think for themselves, because they knew nothing about the medicine or shots they were giving my children. When the guy in the Army that has yet to finish college knows more about the medical field than the pediatrician taking care of children then there is a problem in this country. And just for the record, my children see civilian physicians, military doctors are even less knowledgeable than civilian doctor. So all of you that think our "free" health care is great, see one of our doctors and fear what the government is about to do to health care.


crunchy   April 15th, 2009 3:05 pm ET

No, you are wrong. I have one fully vaccinated child who escaped any damage. I have partially vaccinated child who wouldn't have been vaccinated at all had I known then what I know now. I have one child who has never had a needle stuck in her except the blood test in the heel at birth. None of my children received the vitamin K shot, none of my children received any shots for any sexually transmitted disease. Only one is old enough to have sex, but not a single doctor has ever suggested that he needs one...I guess it's just a moneymaker for helpless babies??? The other two are 10 and 4. NONE of my children are on the spectrum. NONE.


crunchy   April 15th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

You keep calling me "uneducated" and I don't know a single thing about you but I can almost guarantee you that you don't have as many degrees as I do.

So, let's be clear about this drug "DIASTAT" just so that parents don't think they can get their kids high on valium without a prescription... Only an ignorant fool would think that a parent who's baby is having seizures would stop at the pharmacy on the way to the hospital to pick this drug up...and you cannot get it in THIS COUNTRY without a prescription. How stupid does a person need to be to make out like the Mom could just slide into the pharmacy and get the drug – if you are a doctor Roger, then your patients are in grave danger!

BTW, a child who's not been vaccinated wouldn't require the need for valium, would they? ANY parent can read ANY package insert for ANY vaccine and see that febrile seizures are a side effect.

Again, no vaccine for baby, no need for valium for your baby!


crunchy   April 15th, 2009 3:49 pm ET

"He/she has a child with Autism and are looking for an outlet for their anger and someone to blame. "

And what the hell makes you people think that having someone to blame makes it all better? Does BLAME cure Autism Roger??? What an idiot!

I don't have an autistic child but I can guarantee you that not a single parent who does will tell you that having someone or something to "blame" makes it all better – it doesn't!!!


crunchy   April 15th, 2009 3:59 pm ET

Jen, you didn't get chickenpox 5 times! You loose all credibility when you lie!


crunchy   April 16th, 2009 12:06 am ET

carol hoernlein – Thanks for sharing the information. Parents need people who will stand up and speak the truth. I'm not sure if you know this or not but Tylenol depletes Glutathione so when you hear of these parents "protecting" their kids with Tylenol before, during and after a round of vaccines – they are doing the wrong thing. Many doctors don't know this so please do spread the word. Many doctors, like many parents think that Tylenol is safe when the reality is that it can be unsafe for some children, especially when given for fever or during vaccines.


sam   April 16th, 2009 3:05 pm ET

crunchy-question for you. what do you do and what degrees do you have?
You seem to have a lot of insults and accusations against doctors. one thing you need to realize is that for any bad apple, there are thousands of doctors that are there to truly and unselfishly help people. i, for one, am a pediatric surgeon. I can honestly say that I do everything I can to help children. I am salaried at a major hospital and I gain nothing by operating more or ordering more prescriptions/vaccines to children. And I own no stocks period.
So, for you to generalize your statements is inappropriate and inexcusable.
Not everyone is out to hurt people. there is humanity and there are millions of good hearted doctors out there.
So, stop your ignorant blogs.


crunchy   April 16th, 2009 3:23 pm ET

It's awfully funny Dr. Pediatric Surgeon that you have nothing to say about the subject at hand. My degrees are none of your business. I'm not here blogging about you so if you have a clue then tell me where I'm wrong. If you can prove to me that the very people who create vaccines, the very people who work for vaccine manufacturers, the very people who speak on behalf of their products AND hold stock in the vaccine manufacturers - are not the very same people who approve the vaccines and the booster schedules then let's hear it.

The conflicts of interest should not happen. BUT THEY DO. Why don't you give me the names of the people on the panel who right now, who are in charge of making vaccine schedules for every child in this country (and others too). Then tell us all where those people work and *try* to prove that they do not benefit from the sales of those vaccines...

Otherwise - stop YOUR ignorant blogging because all I'm stating are facts. If what I'm saying isn't true then write about that – instead of asking about me personally!

Here's another fact for ya - many pediatric doctors wouldn't know smallpox from chickenpox. Do you? Before you spout off about that, I got the information from a peer-reviewed journal. You are taught only what was approved for your textbooks and who approves the data in those textbooks??? More of the same people who benefit from the sales of drugs and vaccines, that's who.

People need to know about these conflicts of interest!


Robert A   April 16th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

It's time to stop indulging the uneducated. It's apparent that crunchy has no education to back up her accusations that she attempts to only understand one side of what she believes in the facts. All she wants to do is criticize the educated and informed. The fact is the law supports vaccinations and it is not changing anytime soon.

Secondly – The only reason this blog was created is because Jenny McCarthy is attempting to push, yet another book deal she had made. She is uneducated and also bias.


Joseph Grizich   April 17th, 2009 7:55 am ET

To Robert A. Besides being a moron, you seem to have the inability to think change is possible. Jenny McCarthy is one of the few that is willing to speak her mind, regardless of the repercussions. She has a child with Autism, regardless of his recovery or not. You need to see that there is evidence of out side factors effecting our children. They might not be controlled studies, but there is too much evidence supporting these claims. I have seen video and talked to many people that support that vaccines are effecting children. And of course the MMR vaccine that might not have effected my son was taken off the market the year he was born. I am not going to say anymore because I have said it before, and I hate repeating myself.


Crunchy   April 18th, 2009 12:51 pm ET

“All she wants to do is criticize the educated and informed. The fact is the law supports vaccinations and it is not changing anytime soon.”

So let me get this straight Robert – all the facts that I’ve written about the money hungry drug pushers is uneducated and informed?

Yeah, right. I got my information from reading journals approved and written by people of *your* kind…

Stating facts is not the same as criticism – why would you see it that way?


Crunchy   April 18th, 2009 1:15 pm ET

Dr. Hayden – since the myelin sheath is not fully matured at the time of vaccination, could that be the cause of children to *hear* differently? It is known that the myelin sheath is an electrical insulator and allows faster and more energetically efficient conduction of impulses.

It's those impulses reaching the brain that greatly influences our ability to talk, but how does it influence the way we hear? If the sheath is damaged before its ever matured – how would that effect communication and hearing?


Christine   May 9th, 2009 8:57 am ET

Autism Tied to Genes That Influence Brain Cell Connections
Three genome-wide association studies have identified genetic factors that affect the risk of autism spectrum disorders (ASD). Understanding how these genetic variations affect brain development will suggest new strategies for diagnosing and treating ASD.

ASDs are characterized by social and communication problems. The disorders, which range from mild to severe, collectively affect about 1 in 150 American children.

Previous studies have found a strong genetic contribution to ASD. Yet few specific genetic risk factors had been identified, and most turned out to be rare, with unclear significance for ASD in the general population.

Genome-wide association studies involve scanning genomes — entire sets of DNA — to find small differences between people who have a disorder and people who don’t. The largest of the 3 new NIH-funded studies into ASD involved more than 10,000 people, including those with ASD, their family members and other volunteers from across the United States. The study was led by Dr. Hakon Hakonarson of the University of the Pennsylvania School of Medicine and the Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia.

The team reported in Nature on April 28, 2009, that several genetic variants were associated with ASD, all pointing to a spot between 2 genes, called CDH9 and CDH10, on chromosome 5. Both genes encode cadherins — cell-surface proteins that help cells adhere to each other. The researchers found that a group of about 30 genes that encode cell adhesion proteins (including cadherins) were more strongly associated with ASD than all other genes in their data set. In the developing brain, cell adhesion proteins enable neurons to migrate to the correct places and connect with other neurons.

In the second study, published in the Annals of Human Genetics, a team led by Dr. Margaret Pericak-Vance at the University of Miami Miller School of Medicine also found that ASD is associated with genetic variation near CDH9 and CDH10.

In a third study, also appearing in Nature, Hakonarson and Dr. Gerard D. Schellenberg of the University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine led a search for genes that were duplicated or deleted in people with ASD. The researchers found that many of these rare genetic glitches, known as copy number variations, affect genes involved in cell adhesion. Other variations involved genes in the ubiquitin-proteasome system, a cellular waste disposal system. The researchers suggest this system may influence ASD by altering the turnover of adhesion proteins at the cell surface.

"In most cases, it’s likely that each gene contributes a small amount of risk, and interacts with other genes and environmental factors to trigger the onset of disease," Dr. Hakonarson says. He and his colleagues are now planning a more extensive genome-wide association study to gain a more complete picture of the genes and genetic interactions involved in ASD.


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