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March 27, 2009

Legalize pot? Not a change Obama can believe in

Posted: 01:12 AM ET

Writing by Matt Spetalnick/Reuters

Legalizing marijuana is not the kind of change President Barack Obama can believe in - - at least not as a remedy for the ailing U.S. economy.

On Thursday, Obama tackled the issue head-on, only half-jokingly, at an online townhall meeting where he noted that the idea was a favorite among the 3.6 million people who voted on more than 100,000 questions submitted on the White House website.artobamatownhallcnn1

"I have to say that there was one question that was voted on that ranked fairly high, and that was whether legalizing marijuana would improve the economy and job creation," he said to laughter at the White House event.

"And I don't know what this says about the online audience," Obama said, tongue-in-cheek. "This was a fairly popular question. We want to make sure that it was answered."

"The answer is, no, I don't think that is a good strategy to grow our economy," he said before moving back to a more sober discussion of unemployment and healthcare reform.

"Thank you for clearing that up," said Jared Bernstein, Vice President Joe Biden's chief economist, who was acting as moderator.

Many of the questioners suggested that regulating the marijuana industry could yield large tax revenues.

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Bradly   March 27th, 2009 1:07 am ET

I don't believe all drugs should be legal, but I do believe marijuana should be legal. If we legalized this plant, organized crime would have a huge portion of their profits taken away. The time and resources that every city in the United States spends towards marijuana would be freed to focus on hard drugs. The regulation and taxes would be beneficial to every American, pothead or not. Regulation of this plant would make a safer and pure product for consumers, and the taxes would benefit everyone. I believe marijuana is much safer than tobacco and alcohol, which kills people. Although smoking a big fattie or hitting a two foot bong may not be the best for your lungs, there are ways to consume this plant...i mean "drug" that is much better for your health...a vaporizer! I'm a complete advocate for legal pot, but there should definately be certains laws that go along with it being legal. DUI is DUI, and you should not operate a motor vehicle while high on anything. I don't believe it would be a great idea to let semi-drivers be stoned while being responsible for such a huge vehicle. What you do in the privacy of your own home, or what you do to your own body should not be a concern to anyone but yourself to a certain degree. Now some say sure, legalize pot...but when you want health care, sorry. This isn't Canada, we don't get free healthcare. I don't have healthcare right now as it is, and probably could not afford it anyhow.

I live in North Dakota, and yes i've done plenty of sandbagging this week. Methamphetamine is a terrible problem in my state, and I believe it would be very beneficial to our justice system to be able to focus on this nasty drug. Instead the police spend time arresting someone because they have a pipe, the courts get backed up with these petty offenses, and good people serve time in jail. How much does it cost to have an inmate incarcerated for one day, and who does its cost...taxpayers?

Nothing is perfect, and I'm not saying legalizing marijuana would be the best thing ever for society. The people of the United States should open their minds from the cold war era reefer madness ideals of marijuana, and see it as the wonderful plant it is. I'm very pleased to see the issue of legal marijuana being discussed on CNN.

Thanks for listening, and god bless the people and their homes here in North Dakota.


Wisconsin native   March 27th, 2009 3:26 am ET

Tax marijuana to adults 21 and older. Drive cartels into the ground with lower prices. Get drugs out of kids hands. The war on drugs will end.


matt F. Kennewick, WA   March 27th, 2009 3:26 am ET

i Believe the president passed off this issue way too easily. Each time this topic may come up he would say it isnt the time or will not work. But he IS wrong and I think the sooner the legalization of marijuana bill is brought to light and passed; the sooner drug cartels are brought down and taxed for entry into the U.S. .. Im Sorry but Obama's big bite of presidency is no excuse to blow off a really good solution towards helping our economy and way of life.


wonder63   March 27th, 2009 3:45 am ET

I feel if Marijuana was legalized poor people and senior citizens on a fixed income would probably not be able to afford it because Medicare/Medicaid would not pay. The price would be ridiculously expensive. Doctors would discriminate as to whom a prescription would be given. Legalizing MJ would result in a felony charge if caught with it in your possession without a prescription, whereas a misdemeaner now depending on quantity (I think).


justin   March 27th, 2009 3:45 am ET

The solution is simple, Legalize pot. If any doubt cast a national vote.


Santiago Cabrera   March 27th, 2009 3:53 am ET

Prohibition does not work. It is not working with marijuana and it will eventually become legal.
Simply because the prohibition of it is based on lies about how much damage it does to a person and the U.S. has no case against marijuana other than the crime due to trafficking and the industry behind it. However, all of this crime is due to prohibition. We create criminals of our own people because we prohibit something natural that has been around since the beginning of time. We do not need to spend so much money on jailing harmless college kids and crippling their path to success by punishing them for carrying something illegal that is less harmful than our number one killer.. tobacco. I think the nation needs to open their eyes to the truth of failure by our government and this useless drug war.


Mike Smith   March 27th, 2009 5:26 am ET

Living now for more then 20 years in The Netherlands, why not take the Dutch approach – it is not really legal – but not enforced – take a laid back attitude – and pay more attention to some really important issue.


John Tandy   March 27th, 2009 5:31 am ET

Why are governments happy enough to see us smoke and drink ourselves to death but criminalise us for using soft drugs like cannabis? Tax it and sell it legally and if anyone wishes to kill themselves by taking hard drugs, legalise, control and then issue them free in registered centre's, where addicts can be monitored and administered. Not only will we cut drug related disease and crime by 90% we will put the drug cartels out of business and save thousands of lives.


Karthik Boominathan   March 27th, 2009 7:19 am ET

People say that "President Barak Obama should legalize pot. It creates jobs and makes less violence in the city." But really if you use your brain...you'll see that jobs will be created, but more people would be using the drug. That creates more high population. And they would be driving to. So theres a huge threat there.


Regina V.   March 27th, 2009 11:39 am ET

I suggest people look up marijuana on the Internet and they will see that it's worst than cigarettes. Come on people, there is a lot more facts out about marijuana then years ago. Get up to date on the truth. Just the words associated with the drug tells you- loaded, stoned, dope.


Michael C. McHugh   March 27th, 2009 11:46 am ET

Probably not an issue they want to take on at this point, given everything else that is going on. Personally, I think alcohol and tobacco are probably far more destructive drugs, and it doesn't bother me if people want to smoke pot. It's not nearly as bad as crack, methamphetamine or heroin, which are drugs I definitely don't think should be legalized.

On the whole, though, I think our main drug policy should be aimed at getting people off drugs rather than jailing millions of them. It is a medical problem and a social problem, especially among the poor, and will not be cured by adding even more millions of people to the prison population. We already lock up more people than any other Western country, and drugs are the primary reason.


austin rodriguez racine wisconsin   March 27th, 2009 1:26 pm ET

if you give a bad guy a gun expect bad intentions, but if you give a good guy a gun expect responsiblity.Samething goes for marijuana. Besides marijuana goes back to our forefathers George washington and back to christopher columbus.

Im also allergric to alcohol and i do not drink or smoke cigarettes. Marijuana is my recreation other then playing video games, reading books, and watching your show.

Its a new era and people are looking for new inspirations


Everett   March 27th, 2009 1:56 pm ET

We keep hearing a lot about how Marijuana could help the economy. This is true but there are far more important reasons to legalize Marijuana other than money.

How about Freedom, Liberty and ending oppression? Estimated more than 20 million Americans living under oppression in fear of unjust laws and cowboy cops. Jails filled with good people who's only crime is relaxing with Marijuana. Lives ruined by a law, not a substance.

How about the Social problems the prohibition laws and anti-drug groups cause? Reefer madness propaganda designed to stir up hatred, fear and trouble in both our communities and families has caused more damage than Marijuana use ever could.

How about the simple fact that if Marijuana is legal to buy from a store all other hard drug use drops off because of less exposure to those harder drugs. A legal Marijuana dispensary isn't going to offer you Meth on the side with your Marijuana purchase like a guy in an alley might.

Prohibition is both evil and un-American. One group oppressing another group for the worst kinds of reasons. I’m saddened that our Country, founded on the core values of Freedom and Liberty, has become such an oppressive police state. I think our leaders are so ignorant and corrupt that, unfortunately, they will continue to cling to the failed policy of prohibition and oppression. This essentially means a promise to the world that the U.S. government will continue to support crime, corruption and blood in the streets on a global scale. Mexico must be thrilled.

Thanks Prohibitionists.


Everett   March 27th, 2009 2:07 pm ET

@Mike smith

Mike you wrote "Living now for more then 20 years in The Netherlands, why not take the Dutch approach – it is not really legal – but not enforced – take a laid back attitude – and pay more attention to some really important issue"....

I love the Netherlands and their system wroks very well. I think the problem the U.S. has with this approach is that it keeps people who aren't paying taxes in the loop and allows the same people they call the "worst criminals in the world " to go legit. We also still have a lot of very narrow minded, uncultured, people running America.

Good news is they are all growing old and dying and their retarded views will die with them. We are voting in smarter more cultured officials every year. Slow process but we'll get there.


Jake   March 27th, 2009 4:40 pm ET

There is no negative response to the legalization of recreational marijuana to adults 21 and over that doesn't have a valid, positive, counter-response. If the talking-head shouting matches would stop and either side actually listened to the opposite argument; at least progress would be made, and we wouldn't be stuck in this stalemate of ignorance.


Suzanne Wills   March 27th, 2009 4:54 pm ET

President Obama and Congress would be smart to seriously consider the economic costs of marijuana prohibition.

According to Dr. Jeffrey Miron's study, "The Budgetary Implications of Marijuana Prohibition," this policy costs the U.S. approximately $7.7 billion a year to enforce and another $6.2 billion in lost tax revenue. Texas spends $273.71 million per year on enforcement and loses potential tax revenue of $46.6-$59.3 million. Dr. Miron’s study is endorsed by more than 500 economists, including three Nobel Laureates.

The U.S. is about to spend $1.4 billion on the Merida Initiative to combat drug smuggling, primarily marijuana, from Mexico. In February, Special Agent Rafael Reyes, the chief of the Mexico and Central America Section of the DEA was widely quoted as saying, for the cartels “marijuana is the king crop.”

In addition to the direct costs of marijuana prohibition, families incur a huge financial burden when a family member is arrested. Both families and society suffer when a young person is unable to get financial assistance to attend college or to obtain a well paying job because of a marijuana conviction.

Marijuana prohibition is no laughing matter.

Suzanne Wills


Fran   March 27th, 2009 5:16 pm ET

Yes marijuana should be legalized. In this way, America will have more control over it in every way i.e. age for use, type, amount, etc. – and the American government can earn a lot of money. It is no different from alcohol, cigarettes, some other medications. It was also stop the criminal element. If people don't want to indulge they don't have to just like any other vice. Why not?


Sebastian Melmoth   March 27th, 2009 6:01 pm ET

Not only will cannabis as medicine help this country but so will hemp. Hemp is illegal because cannabis is illegal. Hemp was used for clothing and paper long before cotton and trees. The US government knows this and produced a film about the BENEFITS of cannabis. Just google "US government Hemp For Victory" if you think I'm wrong.


Rick Steves   March 27th, 2009 6:55 pm ET

I do not believe that we should use our criminal justice system to address a public health issue, and as a matter of principle, I believe that the responsible adult recreational use of marijuana is a civil liberty. Apart from all that, it is clear that the existing “war on marijuana” is costing our society more than the ills brought on by marijuana—and there’s no sign that continuing this war will make any difference.

While some Americans might fear that decriminalizing marijuana will lead to increased use and abuse, the track record in the Netherlands (where recreational marijuana offenses have not been prosecuted since 1976) demonstrates otherwise. By all government statistics, Americans consume roughly twice the pot per capita that the Dutch do. Meanwhile, in most of Europe, a joint causes about as much excitement as a can of beer. And after more than 30 years of not arresting pot smokers in the Netherlands, Dutch police recognize that use doesn’t increase appreciably—and they are generally thankful they don’t have to enforce a law they know brings more harm than the drug it’s designed to deal with.

The experience of the Netherlands is echoed in the twelve states that decriminalized over thirty years ago, shortly after Nixon’s National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse (the “Shafer Commission”) recommended decriminalizing personal possession and not-for-profit distribution of small amounts of marijuana. Use rates did not increase. Nor did they increase in Seattle after adult personal use of marijuana became the city’s lowest law enforcement priority in 2003.

Today’s war on marijuana is as illogical and ineffective as our prohibition against alcohol was in the 1930s. It took courageous people to finally stand up against a law that was bringing so much pain and violence to their society. When they finally repealed the laws against alcohol, no one was saying, “Booze is good.” Instead, they learned that you don’t stop people from drinking by making it a crime – you simply create worse problems for yourself. Today, we rely on regulation, prevention, and treatment to address alcohol’s use in our society. We can, nay we must do the same for marijuana.


don   March 27th, 2009 7:02 pm ET

Sebastian, if Obama watched that video he would not have laughed about marijuana helping the recession at least to some degree


Mike (Louisville, KY)   March 27th, 2009 7:17 pm ET

What is the difference between a doctor prescribing a medication that can potentially alter your judgment either positively or negatively and prescribing medical marijuana which can potentially alter your judgment positively or negatively?


don   March 27th, 2009 7:32 pm ET

Larry,
lasts nights blog was populated pretty much all night because of this topic, I think this is a serious issue. Finally the people are being heard loud and clear.. thx larry


legalize   March 27th, 2009 7:40 pm ET

Regina,
You have no idea what you are talking about!!!!


don   March 27th, 2009 7:43 pm ET

regina look up death tolls from cigarettes and alcohol compared to marijuana


legalize   March 27th, 2009 7:46 pm ET

Don, I agree, it was amazing all the talk last night. It really put a smile on my face. It's about time us marijuana believers be heard. Lets not let it die!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 7:53 pm ET

Alcohol,That shouldnt’ be legal either. The government just caved in on that and for the same useless reasons you potheads preach. Cigarettes. Again, no arguement there. Stop that cancerstick as well.

I speak from experience. An experience that is unchanging and unflinching across the board.

But here, let me point it out in terms that offend you enough to get it...

Why not legalize the child sextrade? The Government can tax the young Hookers and pimps, and help stabelize our economy. The only reason these pimps have to get so violent is because they have to hide what they’re proud of; exploiting a baser instinct to the detriment of the people involved and society as a whole. But hey, if we legalized it… no harm, no foul right?

Put that in your bong and smoke it.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 7:59 pm ET

See Everett, that's yet another example of what pot does to your brain.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:00 pm ET

How botu this... the reason there's more violence around pot is because the potheads arent' getting enough of their crutch and they get desperate from their addiction and are retaliating against good common sense. Keep pot ilegal, enforce the laws on the books we have to teh fullest extent of the laws, and get them rehabilitation at the same time.


don   March 27th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

legalize the child sex trade that is just depraved, people who smoke marijuana are normal functioning members of society. Violence comes from the money in the illegal sales of the product not the drug itself, if we were to take out a major part of criminal organizations profits by legalizing substance that is less harmful than some of the drugs doctors give to us everyday. It will not only stop one way of the criminals from obtaining illegal money but we can focus on more important criminal activities such as human trafficing


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:11 pm ET

legalize the Marijuana trade that is just depraved, people who engage in sex with children are normal functioning members of society. Violence comes from the money in the illegal sales of the child sex not the child sex itself, if we were to take out a major part of criminal organizations profits by legalizing clean, safe, condomn and pill using child sex that is less harmful than some of the drugs doctors give to us everyday. It will not only stop one way of the criminals from obtaining illegal money but we can focus on more important criminal activities such as drug trafficing


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:12 pm ET

Got all flushed and angry didn't you? Of course you did, the principles are the same and the truth hurts.


don   March 27th, 2009 8:14 pm ET

how do you compare child sex acts to smoking marijuana.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:15 pm ET

how do you not compare child sex acts to smoking marijuana?


don   March 27th, 2009 8:16 pm ET

james no im not angry im laughing at your ignorance.


legalize   March 27th, 2009 8:16 pm ET

James,
Do you know anyone that uses marijuana? Or at least someone who is open to you about it?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:16 pm ET

The only reason these dealers have to get so violent is because they have to hide what they’re proud of; exploiting a baser instinct to the detriment of the people involved and society as a whole. But hey, if we legalized it… no harm, no foul right?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:17 pm ET

Of coooourse you are don... of course you are. Cause admitting oyur embarrassment is easy for oyu?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:19 pm ET

legalize "Do you know anyone that uses marijuana?"

James Yes, I do. and I say the same thing to them, and their reactiuon is the same as yours.

"Or at least someone who is open to you about it?"

Yes. See above.

And I smoked pot in the past as well. I speak from experience.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:20 pm ET

Hey, don, legalize... you ever watch south park?


Dane   March 27th, 2009 8:20 pm ET

I'm going to go ahead and ask James to provide the medical proof for his addiction claim, physical addiction please, not pertaining to mental addiction. Some people get mentally addicted to bottled water.


Alan F Decatur GA   March 27th, 2009 8:22 pm ET

All illicit drugs should be decriminalized. Look at the beneficial impact of harm reduction approaches used in progressive nations (I think Denmark or Sweden – or maybe both – provide examples of successful integration). Harm reduction would also provide access to sterile needles for injection drug users, thereby reducing the spread of infectious diseases such as Hepatitis and HIV.

Access to treatment on demand for those who desire it is a corollary of universal health care, too.

Programs such as the rigid twelve step model rely too much on making the addict believe that he or she is bad or wrong for having a habit; whereas, a harm reduction approach meets individuals where they are at and eliminates the need for criminal behavior on the part of drug suppliers! It is win-win, all around.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:22 pm ET

You know, it must be comfortable for oyu to have it so easy when you presume the people here are speaking without knowing or experiencing marijuana, but it becomes that much harder when you have to argue against some who speak with real knowledge and from experience.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:24 pm ET

You guys dont' actually think the Al Capone types just stopped selling do you? You don't think they stoped killing for turf do you? How naive. How ignorant.


don   March 27th, 2009 8:25 pm ET

clearly you had a negative experience


legalize   March 27th, 2009 8:26 pm ET

Are they good Americans? Or are they bad for society, maybe even sex offenders? And yes I smoke daily. I also have a full time job and a family. I think I am an excellent American. When you smoked before did it make you want to break laws or just relax and enjoy life? Don is right we don't get angry we just laugh at your ignorence. That is what us potheads do we laugh!!!!


don   March 27th, 2009 8:27 pm ET

james, you lost all credibility when you compare child sex acts to marijuana use


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:29 pm ET

Hey Dane, ya dope. Addiction is mental and physical. What's your point? Bottled water doesn't alter your judgement. Bwah ha ha ha!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:30 pm ET

don March 27th, 2009 8:27 pm ET

james, you lost all credibility when you compare child sex acts to marijuana use

James... No i didn't don. You just had no arguement against it. that's all. the principles are the same.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:31 pm ET

don March 27th, 2009 8:25 pm ET

clearly you had a negative experience

James... Clearly, you are just too addicted to admit that all experiences with pot ARE negative.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:32 pm ET

and you're clearly avoiding my question... have either of oyu ever watched South Park?


don   March 27th, 2009 8:34 pm ET

James and all check out "U.S. government Hemp for Victory"


don   March 27th, 2009 8:34 pm ET

youtube.com has it


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:37 pm ET

legalize March 27th, 2009 8:26 pm ET

Are they good Americans?
Yep, but they're all bad parents and piss poor employees.

Or are they bad for society, maybe even sex offenders?
Sadly yes on both counts. Why do you ask? tryign to find common ground with the pot heads of my past and the poothead you are now?

And yes I smoke daily.
You're committing a crime. You should be arrested and have your children taken away.

I also have a full time job and a family. I think I am an excellent American.
Which is more evidence of oyur obliviousness.

When you smoked before did it make you want to break laws or just relax and enjoy life?
It made me so relaxed I didnt' care abotu laws or my health or work or anything really. All that mattered was that the damn people wre just tryin ta break my high. And the feeling is the same with you. Just as it is the same with EVERYONE who smokes pot.

Don is right we don’t get angry we just laugh at your ignorence. That is what us potheads do we laugh!!!!

Of course you get angry, you're jsut too loaded to realize it, and too embarrassed to admit it when you do, and your presumption that i'm ignorant is jsut another glaring sign of oyur own ignorance, and being ignorant of ones own ignorance is the malady of the ignorant.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:38 pm ET

Hemp isn't smoked; it's woven.


legalize   March 27th, 2009 8:38 pm ET

That is great to know you are getting your knowledge about marijiuana from a disgusting show like that


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:40 pm ET

What show legalize? South Park? That sint' answering my question is it? Have you ever watched it?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:42 pm ET

Alan F Decatur GA March 27th, 2009 8:22 pm ET

All sex for sale should be decriminalized. Look at the beneficial impact of harm reduction approaches used in progressive nations (I think Denmark or Sweden – or maybe both – provide examples of successful integration). Harm reduction would also provide access to condomns for child abusers, thereby reducing the spread of infectious diseases such as Hepatitis and HIV.

Access to treatment on demand for those who desire it is a corollary of universal health care, too.

Programs such as the rigid twelve step model rely too much on making the sex addict believe that he or she is bad or wrong for having a habit; whereas, a harm reduction approach meets individuals where they are at and eliminates the need for criminal behavior on the part of child sex suppliers! It is win-win, all around.


don   March 27th, 2009 8:42 pm ET

yeah im am really embarrassed larry king is hosting this topic as the main theme tonight deadly embarrassed


Dane   March 27th, 2009 8:43 pm ET

Your personal experience does not account for all of America. You forget that in this country, people have the right to choose. Trying to look out for the "greater good" is naive, people should be presented with real facts and choose for themselves. Every cigarette pack I have seen in the past couple years tells me hey, you're pretty much gonna die if you smoke a lot of these. I see the commercials all over television as well, it's pretty hard to live in our country and not know cigarettes are bad. When it comes to cannabis, people are being fed lies, lies that have no proof or evidence to back them up. Whenever someone for prohibition is asked for proof of cannabis being detrimental for your health, or proof that it has absolutely no medical value, they don't have any.

Popular ways of getting around needing concrete evidence is to rattle off facts they think are true because they saw it on a commercial, or making up a random statistic/reference to distract the person from their query.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:43 pm ET

No, you're thrilled he's showing it. You're embarrassed my arguements win over yours and that you have been justifiabley and reasonabley tied to child sex traders because your arguements are so similar. 😉


Alan F Decatur GA   March 27th, 2009 8:44 pm ET

Very funny James in Kamiah, ID


legalize   March 27th, 2009 8:45 pm ET

I don't watch disgusting, volgur shows like that. I have children!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:49 pm ET

My personal experiences account for everyone in America. the situatiosn and experiences are nearly identical. Yes, and peopel insured against risk too often choose riskier and riskier behaviors and past times. Looking out for the greater good does just that. Nothing more and nothing less. What's naive is you defending such an obnoxious arguement.

And they are making foolish arguements to boot. Marijuana is detrimental to your health; your mental health, the health of oyur relationships and the health of your career, which is detrimental to the heralth of others, as well as your own and their own success. And cannabis has no medical value. the elements in cannabis do, and those can be removed without the mind altering effects.

Popular ways for potheads of getting around needing concrete evidence is to rattle off facts they think are true because they saw it on a commercial, or making up a random statistic/reference to distract the person from their query. Such as all teh links to slanted propogandist websites. 😛


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:49 pm ET

Oh, I wasn't beign funny at all.


don   March 27th, 2009 8:50 pm ET

I do not think mexican marijuana is the perferred type amongst smokers anyways.....And if we could resove the marijuana issue , obama could focus on other topics meaning the harder drugs and the child sex trade....as well as cutting druglords profits


Dane   March 27th, 2009 8:51 pm ET

"Marijuana is detrimental to your health; your mental health, the health of oyur relationships and the health of your career, which is detrimental to the heralth of others, as well as your own and their own success. And cannabis has no medical value. the elements in cannabis do, and those can be removed without the mind altering effects."

Proof.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:52 pm ET

legalize March 27th, 2009 8:45 pm ET

I don’t watch disgusting, volgur shows like that. I have children!

And like all potheads you've missed the point assuming that I was goign to razz you for watchign the show...

Here's my poinht... one of their episodes included a characature of michael jackson being asked by Stan's father Randy abotu the people making claims abotu his sexual exploits with children... the charactures response, as was Michaels, to that claim/charge? the exact same as yours and every other potheads out there ... "That's just ignorant; they're ignorant."


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:54 pm ET

You want proof Dane... go to a Grateful Dead concert, spend a few late nights at a Denny's, look around oyu man. It's obvious except to peopel so loaded they can't see their nose in front of their face.


don   March 27th, 2009 8:55 pm ET

alright if u will go and say that about marijuana....you should really say that about the legal drugs that cause families much more pain than marijuana....like when a parent dies from lung cancer, or you see your mom get beat by your drunk dad...cover it all james if your gonna ripp marijuana apart...


matthew vantryfle,linden california   March 27th, 2009 8:56 pm ET

Marijuana weather legal or not will always be around and very easy to get.
Lets make a change tax and regulate it.
End the supply and demand problem and away goes the cartels.


legalize   March 27th, 2009 8:56 pm ET

Your ignorent, this has nothing to do with the topic of legalizing marijiuana!


Alan F Decatur GA   March 27th, 2009 8:57 pm ET

Having narrowly escaped the intentions of sexual predators during my youth, it is no laughing matter. Harm reduction in the purported scenario would indicate that the child should be made aware of safety zones, etc.

James in Kamiah, ID – you are committing acts of verbal terrorism by attempting to represent that I advocate what you suggested regarding sexual abuse.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:57 pm ET

don March 27th, 2009 8:50 pm ET

I do not think mexican marijuana is the perferred type amongst smokers anyways…..And if we could resove the marijuana issue , obama could focus on other topics meaning the harder drugs and the child sex trade….as well as cutting druglords profits

and when I was smoking it, it was called mexi or skunk bud. Not the point.

Legalizing marijuana isn't resolving it, it's complicating it. And marijuana IS a harder drug.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 8:59 pm ET

legalize March 27th, 2009 8:56 pm ET

Your ignorent, this has nothing to do with the topic of legalizing marijiuana!
For a guy who doesn't like me comparing the child sex trade to marijuana, oyu sure do sound a lot liek that characature and michael. 😉 😛

and it has everything to do with the jurisprudence behind it. the reasoning behind it.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:01 pm ET

Having not escaped the intentions of sexual predators during my youth, I agree it is no laughing matter. Harm reduction in the purported scenario would indicate that the child should be made aware of safety zones, etc.

Alan F Decatur GA – you are committing acts of verbal terrorism by not admitting to represent that by advocating for marijuana you are making the same arguements the dealers and potheads make as I suggested regarding sexual abuse.


don   March 27th, 2009 9:01 pm ET

its about freedom of choice the same reason they legalized alcohol with the 19th ammendment to stop the bootleggers profits,and stop crime related to it. before prohibition people who were good citizens became criminals because of losing there right to choose.


David   March 27th, 2009 9:02 pm ET

Marijuana should be treated like alcohol. It is no better or worse. You don't drink and drive and the same applies to pot.
It is less addictive than nicotine. Have you ever heard of someone overdosing on marijuana? No!!! Because you can't.
There is no withdrawal if you don't have it even if you are a regular user. So really why is it even an issue?


William in NC   March 27th, 2009 9:03 pm ET

How can the government claim that marijuana has no medical benefit when they were issued a patent on its medical benefits in 2003?

Patent number: 6630507
Cannabinoids as antioxidants and neuroprotectants
Issue date: Oct 7, 2003
Assignee: The United States of America as represented by the Department of Health and Human Services


Dane   March 27th, 2009 9:04 pm ET

I haven't seen one rational response from you yet, so you're clearly just trying to get a rise. Well, you won't find it here.


don   March 27th, 2009 9:05 pm ET

David Thank You!! i dont think the issue is legalization, it is just a matter of how they are going to legalize it.


Victoria, San Diego CA   March 27th, 2009 9:05 pm ET

President Obama's response to the legalization of marijuana is so uncharacteristic of his explanatory style of answering questions that it signals he is waiting for a more opportune time to address this serious topic that hasn't been taken seriously in decades.


don   March 27th, 2009 9:07 pm ET

Thx Dane... there are many of them, stick around


Joan Love   March 27th, 2009 9:07 pm ET

CNN should put together a commentary for our schools on the Mexican drug cartel. Linda Ellerbee should explain the consequences of drug use in America with grim statistics on lives lost and families affected. Just maybe kids would think twice before lighting up.


Dodie from Irvine CA   March 27th, 2009 9:08 pm ET

@ Wisconsin native

((( You said it all ))))

Legalize, Tax and treat it with the same restrictions we do with alcohol.


Gary   March 27th, 2009 9:10 pm ET

We criminalized it in our zeal to oppress minorities. It's time to end this prohibition and oppression.
In California, the largest contributor to marijuana eradication programs is the alcohol industry. Apparently if you smoke marijuana you don't drink as much.


don   March 27th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

Is not a matter of when its a matter of how


Dodie from Irvine CA   March 27th, 2009 9:12 pm ET

@ William in NC

Journal articles you find on the internet may not be accurate. Just because they quoted other studies, the study needs to be examined.

Example. I wanted to write a journal article on positive medical effects of Cannabis, Since I already have a slant to what I want it to turn out... I would look for only those journal articles that represent what I want. That is NOT good science.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

Saying it's about freedom of choice is a false arguemtn. It's abotu what is and is not good for society adn it's peopel, which is what we elect governmetns to help us with. The reason prohibition failed ahd nothign to do with choice and everythign to do with the fact that the cops were jsut too corrupt, and the people were too destitute to avoid getting in on a lucrative deal. That bit of stupidity was then backed by the churched who swore they needed wien for religious ceremonies, and the bible being used as a springboard, because the bible okay's the drink every now and again.

If you want to fix the problem, make being a cop more lucrative than being on the take, and then the ciotozens won't get the if oyu can't beat em join em attitude taht enables this crap and... oh, wait, part of what Obama is doing is raisign the funds that precincts have so officers finally get paid a living and sufficient wage... By Jove, I think he's got it!


William in NC   March 27th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

I have a close friend in NC dying of a brain tumor. The Seth Group in Canada has shown evidence that THC can kills brain tumor cells. It was a repeat of an experiment the US did in 1974. They told the world that THC kills brain cells when the truth is THC kills brain tumor cells leaving normal brain cells alone. 280,000,000 people have died since the 1974 study.

Why should this mother of 4 have to die to protect the government lies?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

David, there is a withdrawl, it's just less abrassive than with other drugs, including nicotine and caffine. the withdrawl is seen in a grerater edginess, and moodswings.


Neal   March 27th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

Anyone arguing that the legalization of MJ would increase the usage and the number of people driving, needs to remember that the current laws are NOT stopping them from driving right now. All my friends currently in high school who smoke pot (which is a huge number of the senior class at the high school I graduated from) are forced to drive around and smoke because there is no "appropriate" place to smoke because it is illegal and no "right minded" parent is going to allow an illegal drug to be used in the house.

Remember the laws are not stopping anyone from driving under the influence of marijuana currently. Also, studied from California have shown that legalization would not increase the number of users. Remember also that people who do not like cigarettes are not going to smoke just because they are legal. Remember it is EDUCATION we need to focus on. Not incarceration. The War on Drugs is a failure, and legalization leaves a bad taste in peoples mouths because they feel it supports drug use. It is not supporting drug use, just an alternative to drug treatment.

Decriminalize marijuana and use Holland as a model for how it is done.

Holland has 1/2 the percentage of marijuana users in their population and the percentage of users of hard drugs like heroin, cocaine, and meth are FAR lower than that of the U.S population. They see drugs as a social HEALTH issue and not a criminal issue. That is what "decriminalization" means. It does not mean that we support drug use.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:17 pm ET

Dane, once again, of course you have. You're just in denial.


Alan F Decatur GA   March 27th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

Yes, marijuana has a withdrawal syndrome. That's why this is an access to care issue and should not be classed as criminal behavior.


Randall   March 27th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

Demand for pot and other banned drugs is not going to go away. Decades have proven that. Despite massive increases in drug budgets and law enforcement interventions, drug related problems and violence is yet again escalating. The unregulated black market sells to our kids, as they have no obligation to ask for i.d. That's the primary source for kids selling to kids, who, when polled, admit that tobacco and alcohol are harder to obtain. Legalization of all but a few of the currently banned substances used for recreational purposes, manufacturing by the government, and distribution through the medical system with physician oversight would be far safer for all users. Not to mention that if people could obtain this commodity legally, they would have no reason to support black market enterprises. The only way to shut the illegal drug trade down is to legalize and regulate. Prohibition repeal has worked relatively well for alcohol. No reason to expect anything different for drugs. Let's use some common sense here, responsibly reform our drug laws, and stop the violence. As for marijuana, just legalize it already. I'ts widely accepted to be safer to use than alcohol, and has never killed anyone, ever, due to use related health complications. It would be a huge economy booster.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

@Gary .. No, We criminalized it in our zeal to protect minorities. It’s time to ramp this prohibition and law enforcement.
In California, the largest contributor to marijuana eradication programs is the common sense industry. Apparently if you smoke marijuana you're prone to drinking concurrently.


don   March 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

James you have no facts to back your claims, you spew absurd statements and clearly no understanding of the effects of marijuana though you say you have smoked it, but right now your being outsmarted by a bunch of pot smokers


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

William in NC THC can be safely removed from the plant, and used in conjunction with other types of treatment without the need to smoke it or alter the mind, and without legalizing it for recreational use.


fedupwithjames   March 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

james your facts......are you pulling them out of the air?
we have herd enough of your views, how is marijuana like the child sex trade?

You are so miss informed and quick to attak people calling them potheads and child sex offenders.
whut a way to clog up an issue with misinformed facts.

Hitler would pat you on the back james.


don   March 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Go Montel


Bob Wood   March 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Put the cartels and the gangs out of business now. End the drug war. Legalize marijuana and all controlled substances and educate our children, controll and tax drugs. We don't want anymore violent war in our country.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Actually the war on drugs has been a phenominal success except to those still willing to commit illegal acts to support their habit and their cash cow.


Victoria, San Diego CA   March 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

A withdrawl syndrome that is mild means nothing one way or the other on legalization. Caffeine gives a worse withdrawl and it is legal. I personally can't drink the stuff on account of my anxiety, but cannabis actually helps. I am a responsible adult who only medicates in the evening and weekends. I am also a scientific researcher with two degrees. There is promising evidence from the scientific community even considering only a handful of universities can do the research and they all must get their supply from one place and the quality of the supply is remarkably poor.


don   March 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

you ever hear of pot brownies....you dont need to smoke those ...lol and are you dissing montel?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

don March 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

James you have no facts to back your claims, you spew absurd statements and clearly no understanding of the effects of marijuana though you say you have smoked it, but right now your being outsmarted by a bunch of pot smokers

No, once agian your'e in denial. Probably all that pot your'e smoking. The fact is, I dont' have to present facts to prove agianst your claims, because right now your claims arent' facts, they're merely opinions based on opinions and then presented to us as crap... liek wrpping a piece of crap in a snickers package.


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Should Marijuana be legalized...? YES!


Victoria, San Diego CA   March 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

FYI......there is a prescription medication of THC called marinol....it gives more of a body high similar to edibles rather than the mental "high" of relaxation.


don   March 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

yeah the millions of people who voted on the legalization are all crazy...all the millions who voted on it huh...lol


Jake   March 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Again.... I post:
There is no negative response to the legalization of recreational marijuana to adults 21 and over that doesn’t have a valid, positive, counter-response. If the talking-head SHOUTING MATCHES (...don, James....) would stop and either side actually listened to the opposite argument; at least progress would be made, and we wouldn’t be stuck in this stalemate of ignorance.


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Our states and the government are broke.. What do you do when you are broke? You find ways of making more money! Lets legalize it and tax it like crazy.


William in NC   March 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Why should we have to pay the Government or Pharmaceutical Company for a plant that will grow on any ditch bank?


Diane S.   March 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Marijuana is the only drug I can think of that has never caused a death by overdose. And the medical benefits are well documented. It is ridiculous to still put it in the same group as heroin,crack, meth, etc.We should legalize it and tax it instead of letting the drug cartels make all the money while our country is wasting money on a drug war that we can't afford. We should spend that money on the drugs that really do harm. All the money we could save would probably give health care to every American. And I am not a pot smoker and would not become one. But we could use those tax dollars. Nobody worries about taxing liqour and cigarettes and those are a lot more dangerous.


don   March 27th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

James do you think before you type?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

Yes, don. they are all crazy, or stupid. take your pick, Either way, yes. and that includes any of oyu here.


Alex   March 27th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

Marijuana would be great to legalize
biggest cash crop in the United States,
The guy on Larry King has no idea what hes talking about.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Yes don, I do. Obviously you don't.


Victoria, San Diego CA   March 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

James: if you doubt that there is evidence to the benefits of marijuana and THC, go to Pub Med Central. It is an online database of scientific studies that have been published in scientific journals. And because I know you'll play the "bias" card....For a scientific paper to be published as such it is submitted to a few journals. It then is sent to three independent reviewers who critique the entirety and then it is revised and resubmitted and revised and resubmitted until the reviwers, the journal and the authors agree and then it is published. The review process gives more confidence on claims made than the media ever does.


Jake   March 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

Okay guys, just take the gloves off and throw punches, this stopped being a debate a while ago...


William in NC   March 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

To Dodie from Irvine CA.

I didn't find an article on the Internet, I found a US patent to a Federal Department, just like the DOJ or the FDA that shows good scientific evidence that Cannabinoids are COX-2 inhibitors. A COX-2 inhibitor just like Celebrex except without the side effect of bleeding to death from the ****.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

Jake, all positive reponses are dually noted and thrown out. thanks for that.


Victoria, San Diego CA   March 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

if your brownie high only lasted 15 min, then you need some better stuff


Jake   March 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

thrown out, yes.... DUALLY noted, that's a stretch.


lillie tunstall   March 27th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

i thank that pot should should be legalize its better then dranking of doing crack doctor med is jest as bad i thank that it would lest killing pot make people feel good and it dont have a hang over


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Victoria, San Diego CA : I don't doubt that there is evidence to the benefits of THC. that's just what others like don and legalize would say to throw oyu off from my actual arguements.

And because I know you’ll play the “bias” card…
No you don't youv'e only ass-umed I would.

I am NOT against the use of THC which is found in Marijuana for medical use or research NOR am I agaisnt th use of Hemp, I AM against legalizing marijuana for recreational use. The same can be said of any other drug. Period.


Mudkip   March 27th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Decimalize, stop wasting OUR money.


Geary   March 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

No, marijuana should NOT be legalized, it should be MANDATORY!!!!! 🙂


david   March 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

If marijuana is legalized, the organized crime rate would drop significtly.


ken wiz   March 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

It's should be science versus politics
Take the politician out of deciding what freedoms I can have
If I decide marijuana is right for me than that should be my decision not some politician
thanks
Ken Wiz


Anna   March 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Marijuana should be LEGALIZED. The prison system is full of petty drug offenders, yet lets rapists and child abusers go free.


William in NC   March 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Why?


Jake   March 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Shh david, no one wants to hear the truth


James from Tx   March 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Don't legalize Marajuanna. If you've seen how it affects peoples state of being , you'd think so to


Ryan   March 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

It's not like "Reefer Madness" anymore. We know all about it. Why people consider it some terrible drug is beyond me.


Hewe   March 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Your life, your right. Cannabis is just a herb. Fed leave it to the states.


Mike   March 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Legalize, educate, regulate, and medicate. Marijuana is a gift and it should not be apart of gov't corruption


Michael   March 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

I think that we should make pot legal because it is actually good and i smoke pot everyday


Cynthia   March 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

Marijuana is an herb, not a dangerous drug. Legalize it!


Maria Sanders   March 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

Stop the War on Drugs now President Obama! Please! We need to wake up and realize that this childish attitiude towards drugs makes matters worse than they are! Stop sending non-violent drug offenders to prison longer than actual violent criminals! Stop sending them to prison at all! It is a direct violation of their civil liberties! What is wrong with this country! Why is 1 out of 30 Americans in the penal system–many of whom are hard working, church going, family orientated citizens! It is wrong! It is immoral!


Victoria, San Diego CA   March 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

where do you draw the line between "drug" and "medicine." For nausea, yeah a body high from either edibles or a THC pill will do the job. Other ailments only benefit from smoking, for example a friend of mine who has epilepsy. Also, why should this not be a legal option for any adult recreationally? Why are you against the legalization?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Diane S. , Marijuana is the only drug "I" can think of that has never caused a death by overdose. And the medical benefits are well documented. It isnt' illegal for its benefits btu for its detriments. Which is exactly why it is NOT ridiculous to still put it in the same group as heroin,crack, meth, etc.

We should NOT legalize it and tax it based on the false arguement that to do otherwise is letting the drug cartels make all the money while our country is spending money on a drug war that some think we can’t afford. And I WAS a pot smoker and would not become one again. I worry about taxing liqour and cigarettes and those are a lot more dangerous.


Don   March 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Marijuana does not need all out legalization (although it would be fine to do). It just needs to be moved down in the drug schedule. Schedule I is ridiculous, it belongs somewhere around schedule IV or V if on the schedule at all.


Jacob   March 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

It is looney that marijuana is not legal... I go to one of the top engineering schools in the world most of the students I talk to smoke marijuana.....It helps me tremendously in doing my school work... It relaxes me so I can shovel through the garbage and get to the facts....


Julian   March 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

legalize marijuana! Marijuana hasn't killed anyone, but look at all the deaths that cigarettes and alcohol cause. The right thing to do is to criminalize alcohol and cigarettes and legalize marijuana.


Melissa   March 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Why not, if you cant handle it for the right reasons dont do it, simple as alcohol.


Diane S.   March 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

James if you think the war on drugs is a phenominal ssuccess I'm sure you think the war in Iraq is a raging success too.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Mudkip March 27th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Decimalize, stop wasting OUR money.
Cop out

Geary March 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

No, marijuana should NOT be legalized, it should be MANDATORY!!!!!
Absurdity

david March 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

If marijuana is legalized, the organized crime rate would drop significtly.
Lie


miguel   March 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Marijuana should be decriminalized not criminalized as is currently the case.Holland is a good example of where decriminalization has met with tremendous success and this model should be pursued.I would also recommend to those people who are opposed to this approach that they take a "toke" and see the light.Marijuana quickens the thoughs.


Aaron Kiker   March 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

AIG gets away with slap on wrist for millions dumped, but Marijuana can get you put in jail for life..... Even if you don't like Marijuana it is a huge industry. GS "it will make a slugish country". Hey Garry During the first prohibition said the same thing, and Alcohol is a big reason we still have an economy give Marijuana a chance!!!!!


tim   March 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Hi Larry. I have a disease called ankylosing spondylitis. I have chronic pain and inflammation and always will. Ohio law forbids me to be on a narcotic pain reliever, which is the only thing that works, for more than a year. Marijuana offers me alot of relief and sanity. I have to hide this fact because people judge me even though they do not understand my situation. I do not know if legalizing marijuana should be done, but I do know, it will improve my life. Thank you for listening. Tim


Cristina   March 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Come on people, havent you ever seen the commercials??
99.9% of the prescription drugs that are "legal" have WORSE side effects than marijuana!!!


samantha   March 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Legalize my medicine. Pharmaceutical drugs are much more harmful and do not work for me. Marijuana works and has no side effects.


Carlos   March 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Is it fine to use our civil rights to handle a gun at home?, after all its more violence. But isnt good to use our civil rights to use marijuana as recreational o medicinal plant? I think theres a lot of hipocrecy here.


terry   March 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

YES, look at all the police they could put on more important things like crack ,cocain,heron etc


Scoey   March 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Baldwin, like many so-called Christian Conservatives, wants to impose his religious and moral views on the majority of the nation. In this regard, he is a Celebrity American Taliban. Aren't we fighting a war against religious extremists who want to impose their religious views on the rest of the world? Put it to a vote, a national referendum. Shall the U.S. government continue to spend billions of tax payer dollars to investigate, pursue, arrest, prosecute, and imprison adults who choose to use a non-addictive drug that has been proven to have valid and potent medicinal qualities, has never been proven to have caused even one single death from its use, and is far less likely to cause indirect deaths than alcohol? I vote NO!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Anna March 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Marijuana should be LEGALIZED. The prison system is full of petty drug offenders, yet lets rapists and child abusers go free.

So, imprison everyoen who commits the damn crime and hire peopel without jobs to build bigger prisons, whiel at the same time building rehabilitation centers for those with a real cahnce og breaking the habit.


Bernadette Loesch   March 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Dear Tavis, I am a 64 year old mother and grandmother. I am of the opinion that marijuana needs to be legalized in order to put a huge dent in the war on drugs. People are free to smoke tobacco and drink alcohol...what are we waiting for?


Jim   March 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Medical marijuana in a controlled system can prove to be just as beneficial as other herbal medicines.


Bernadette Loesch   March 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Dear Tavis, I am a 64 year old mother and grandmother. I am of the opinion that marijuana needs to be legalized in order to put a huge dent in the war on drugs. People are free to smoke tobacco and drink alcohol...what are we waiting for? Education of our young people is the key!


Cynthia   March 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

If we legalize marijuana and make it available to those who want to use it either medically or recreationally, the Mexican drug cartels will no longer have a big hole to fill. Also the billions of dollars spent in "the war on drugs" that goes to the eradication and bust of marijuana farms and "dealers" could be spent on more important things. Wake up America!


Cotton   March 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Legalize Marijuana not just yes HELL YES stop making criminals out of honest people


William in NC   March 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

What detriments beside the penalties the law puts on it.

It was outlawed based on false arguements!


Brandi - bottom of the boot   March 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

i believe that marijuana should be available medicinally for those that it helps. it has many benefits for many ill people. these benefits are more effective than traditional pharmacotherapy.

if you read the research closely enough, you will find that the only long term ill effect of smoking marijuana is the damage done to the lungs. the other ill effect that is statistically worth mentioning is that it could make adolescent males more lazy than they already are. the other signs and symptoms of prolonged use go away once use of marijuana has ceased.

the research available has been worded in a way to keep it looking evil in the eyes of those who are against it. if it were legalized, other methods of utilizing the chemical components could be used that would eliminate the damage to the lungs.

for those unfamiliar with reading research data, it is not clear that the statement of results can be manipulated slightly enough to change the meaning of the results.

marijuana would be good also for a greener lifestyle. hemp fibers make stronger ropes than most available on the market today. we are already making clothing from hemp. hemp grows very quickly and in very poor soil. it is cheaper to produce and the crops do not need to be rotated. there are so many benefits that could come from marijuana, not just medicinal.


Andrew   March 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

It is really simple. The one question that makes the hypocrisy most evident as well as the sheer stupidity of the war on drugs: How can our government trust people to use responsibly while it is impossible for an individual to use Marijuana responsible?

End the this stupidity and legalize Marijuana.


David   March 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Marijuana should be legal and regulated much the same way as alcohol


Paul Nipper   March 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Why is common sense SO uncommon. The drug war has failed. Drugs are not a problem of the criminal justice system. They are a public healthcare issue. Until the policies of our country reflect this, America's drug problems will continue. REGULATE:TAX:EDUCATE!!!


Caroline   March 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Yes, i think that President Obama should legalize marijuana because it does no harm to anybody and on top of that the Plant could be a very help source of our anual income and on top of that many talk show have said that the anual drug income comes from marijuana this would put a big slice of tax dollars for the countries debt. the president should look into the basic ideas from the affects and props that come with marijuana growth and anual growth of the marijuana market and on the last note nothing bad comes from it.


dev   March 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

I dont support this propagandist attempt to over rule the rule of law. Pot is legal in this country. Ask your doctor for Rx for MARINOL.


James from Tx   March 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

legalize Marajuanna. If you were terminal with cancer would you want them to try everything that they could to heal you?


Victoria, San Diego CA   March 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

its not just a matter of space in prison.....but the cost of imprisoning someone......you still haven't summed up your anti-legalization argument.....why not???


Brandi - bottom of the boot   March 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

thank you montel!!!!! i love you!


Dannon   March 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

From reading these comments it seems like most of the folks against legalization are horribly misinformed of the facts..........like Montell Williams said "we always start this conversation with uninformed information"


Chris   March 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Marijuana is scientifically less harmful and less addictive than alcohol or tobacco, it just makes sense to tax and regulate it and stop wasting billions on a failed war that mimics alcohol prohibition.


Dan Hoffman   March 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Absolutely, YES! Legalize Marijuana for personal / home & medical use up to 4 ounces per person. I grew up in a college town in CT where this has been done since 1966 and it has never been a problem for anyone. Legalize pot, tax it, free our imprisoned brothers and sisters, and let people enjoy the positive benefits of weed in the comfort and privacy of their homes. Pot is NOT addictive and should NEVER been made illegal. Our govt. needs to wise up to this harmless organic drug and stop lying to people about how "dangerous" Marijuana is! Legalize pot NOW.


Dave   March 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

marijuana is already being used by so many people, so I dont think having it legal will make the number too much larger.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

Diane S. March 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

James if you think the war on drugs is a phenominal ssuccess I’m sure you think the war in Iraq is a raging success too.

>:) Now that you ask, I think the strategy towards the end is a winning one, but not a success no. As a matter of fact I understand the war in Iraq is/was/ever will be an unjustified one, and Bush shoudl be thrown in jail or worse for it. The war on drugs has been a phenominal success because the cartels are resorting to more and mroe violent reasoning for sellign to potheads liek don and legalize here, adn that will only get more attention from peopel with clearer heads.


Neal   March 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

AMAZING JOB MONTEL WILLIAMS, I HAVE NEVER KNOWN YOUR POLITICS OR ANYTHING! I LOVE YOU NOW THOUGH!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Holy cow,,, tha might even create jobs!!! Whodathunk? 😉


WLB   March 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Hemp and Marijuana production can and will save our economic crisis but take a page not from tobacco or alcohol but from California. Keeping cannabis medical is key.


Julian   March 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

I just want to comment on Regina's comment: Regina wrote: "I suggest people look up marijuana on the Internet and they will see that it’s worst than cigarettes."

-Yes, its true that a marijuana cigarette has slightly more tar than cigarretes, but cigarette smokers smoke 20 to 40 cigarettes a day. A marijuana smoker may smoke 1 or 2 joints a day. You may want to also check out some of the medicinal uses for marijuana. Wake up Regina, don't just believe what you are told. What are the medicinal uses for alcohol and cigarettes?


Bunny   March 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Lealize it. tax it and educate so many of our American adults who are very uninformed about this drug. If alcohol and cigarettes are legal marijuana should be also..


Angie   March 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

YES!!!! Legalize marijuana and have a tax on it to help the economy.


Gilbert   March 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

legalize marijuana, better than being drunk and disoriented


John and Jon   March 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Yes, we feel that medical cannabis should be legalized. We could cut the national deficit by decreasing the overall cost of fighting the war on a drug that is not any worst than alcohol or nicotine. Plus, the govt. could tax the cannabis.


Pat   March 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

There are vast scientific numbers that denounce this silly innuendo and other studies by all kinds of informed commissioners such as the New England Journal of Medicine.

I can certainly agree that everyone should have and express an opinion but for goodness sake how about an informed one? Outside of the oodles of research I've done on the subject, I can with great ease point out that no sober guy ever smoked a joint, went home and beat his family. You just can't say that for liquor can you? (feel free to research it.. it's a fact).

Why do those who have no facts (and even say so) resort to embarrassing quips about inhaling and couch potatoing instead of reading? I'd rather hear from the scientists regardless of my opinion, thanks anyway Schandling.


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

So CNN has two people on here that are not for the legalization of Marijuana.. What kind of a debate is this??


Angie   March 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Legalize marijuana to stop the drug war!!!!


Raquel   March 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

What about tolerance? What about medical purposes? They can make billions off of oxycotton which just creates addiction, but won't allow something natural and physically non addictive?


Josh   March 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Marijuana is no worse than alcohol or cigarettes. Legalize It !


Dave   March 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

I do not need a doctor to prescribe me 2 shots of jack daniels and a coors light, therefore why would I need one to prescribe me a casual marijuana cigarette on a friday night? I'm an adult with good judgment who should have this simple freedom of choice.


Bill   March 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Legalize; it's not an economic issue. It's a freedom issue.


Brandi - bottom of the boot   March 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

if i am not mistaken, the federal government also regulates research on marijuana, making it extremely difficult for any other organization to do research disspelling the falsehoods the government has been feeding people for decades.

therefore, very little research is available that has not been conducted by the federal government, hence, the results are spun to benefit the government.


don   March 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

james as many people have said before you are just in this blog for a rise out of people


Jason B from GA   March 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

good lord man, James In Kamiah, Idaho. If you are going to argue, at least learn to spell and have some numbers and stats.


sue   March 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

legalize it, tax it & get rid of the federal debt.


Kim Doran   March 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Considering I am a recovering drug addict and alcoholic, YES i think marijuana should be legalized. For years as a nurse I personally saw "POT" relieve pain and suffering where legalized prescription drugs could not.
Also, if alcohol were up for a debate of whether to legalize it or not, I truly believe it would be illegal today. The government knows the revenue it produces today--that's why it not illegal. Remember Prohibition did not work. Thousands of young people have their lives ruined for smoking a joint, but to have a drink--that's O.K.???????
I do believe that your President wouldn't have a problem legalizing it if it were not so POLITICAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kim Doran
London, Ontario. Canada


Brandi - bottom of the boot   March 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

marijuana is barely even addictive, it is a psychological addiction. cigarettes are so much more addictive!!! plus processed with arsenic and other dangerous chemicals.


Justin   March 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

PLEASE legalize it! Even recreationally Marijuana is ten fold safer and less risky than ANY form of alcohol.


Andrew   March 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

Marijuana would make the US the richest country in the world if it were legal and regulated like alcohol


Joe   March 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

Marijuana is by Federal Law a Schedule 1 drug and thus by definition has "No Medical Purpose and is highly addictive." What California has done with allowing Marijuana for medical purposes is by Federal Law illegal!!!


Brandi - bottom of the boot   March 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

i agree completely with montel, he is making an excellent argument. he is very informed on the subject and it is his humanity driving the argument.


ken wiz   March 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

Marijuana is not an addicting drug.
Baldwin just said how do we control it
then brings up kids using it

It can be controlled properly by supervised dispensing.
Bringing children into the discussion serves no purpose here.


RKNY   March 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

I think the drug companies are most afraid because if it helps such a bevy of ailments what will people need them for.


Neal   March 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

thats right montel! you tell em to do the research. To everyone against ending prohibition, do the research!


Don   March 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Yes it should be legalized. Police came into my home because they found marijuana stems in my trash can. They came with a search warrant and found 32.4 grams of marijuana. I went to court. I'm now on 8 years probation and I had to waive my 4th Amendment Rights. I have to pay $3,700 in fines, 6 months tentative probation where I have to report three times a month and have to be home by 7pm or I violate. My probation officer said she didn't care that I work from 3:30 PM to 12 AM.

I'm 28 years old, I have a son, a bachelor's degree and I've been working for the same company for five years. I've only been arrested once when I was 18 for possession of marijauana.


Randall   March 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

You know, somebody, anybody, politicians included, could at any time present an idea other than legalization (which would allow regulation as it does with alcohol and tobacco). Under prohibition, the only tool they have to use is to increase drug enforcement budgets and enforcement yet again. None of it has worked so far, as the problems not only still exist, but are quickly escalating. How is using the same tactics going to produce any different result? Medical marijuana should be a given. Benefits are scientifically proven.


Raquel   March 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Tolorate it, Stephen has no idea what he is talking about.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

not at all don I[m here to correct your mistakes


tim   March 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

I have never done hard drugs other than marijuana. that is false.


socki   March 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

I QUIT DRINKING SMOKE MARIJAUNA OCCASSIONALLY
NOW I HAVE SAVED MY MARRIGE BEEN SOBER OVER 3YRS
MAKE IT LEGAL I AM LIVING PROOF REAL EVIDENCE


The Taskmistress   March 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

ABSOLUTELY! I have never ever read a story where someone was killed via a headon collison because of smoking reefer. I think this could and would help solve this nations HUGE deficit. Everyone I know smokes. Everyone works, raises kids and live respectable lives. And dont get me started about medical marijuana. If Dr's can dole out thousands of Rx's for highly addictive medication then why not dole out medical marjuana. Ugh there is nothing worse then a preachy born again who is NA/AA.


terry   March 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

You don't see weed smoker's robbing and killing people to get $ to buy natural god given weed!!!!


Brandi - bottom of the boot   March 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

the governments own research data indicates clearly that marijuana is not a gateway drug.

Mr. Baldwin, i respect your work and position on the subject, but perhaps your experience is a reflection of your own lack of self control.


shirley   March 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Yes, legalize marijuana! It is categorized with illegal street drugs but should not be. Anyone who has smoked it knows it is not as scary as alcohol that can cause blackouts which lead to horrible consequences. Yes it is damaging to the lungs like cigarettes, but that is a personal health issue not a criminal one.

Does our society realize that with the prohibition of marijuana, we are teaching our youth how to manipulate the black market at such an early age. Yes because if anyone is paying attention to our youth today there is a huge percentage of teenagers that are smoking it, thinking about it or at least have been in the company of it. If you can have a good rapport with the teens as an adult ,they will tell you it's everywhere and easy to get. Now if that is the case, something is definitely wrong with the way it is managed in the United States. Do we continue to encourage our kids to become drug dealers before they finish high school. Wake up people! This is what's going on. Let the teenagers tell you, They can give you an education about it. Now why is that?
Something has got to change before, we continue to ruin the records of good citizens that are not criminals and have no intention of doing anyone any harm as a marijuana user. If it were legal or if we had a day that was legal and more people could test it to see how harmless it is, then they could form their own opinion about the natural plant. I don't even like calling it a drug because there are so many other drugs out there legal or illegal that are much more harmful. We need to do something about this issue very soon to protect our youth. Prohibiting is not the answer. IT IS NOT WORKING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Dave   March 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

it doesnt lead to other stuff c mon its not very dangerous no one has ever dies strictly from marijuana steven has to get his facts straight.


swampdog   March 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

In six thousand years of use, not ONE death can be attributed to marijuana.


ken wiz   March 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Baldwin said his marijuana & alcohol use
And how dangerous marijuana is
If he never did marijuana with out alcohol he would then realize its not that impacting on his personality


Mary   March 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Marijuana should be legalized because drinking is far worse and I don't hear anything about making it illegal,


Hewe   March 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

prohibition creates a black market where the prices go sky high, makes the use a drug culture and taboo. The Federal government was created by the people and I believe should not be allowed to dictate your personal freedom. The Fed wants us addicted to drugs it get you into the system and into a slave class. Yes the family unit needs to be stronger than present day to educate. Half a million non violent drug "criminals" in prison. If cannabis was legal the state would set the age limit.


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

This was a stupid discussion..


Mike   March 27th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Five words to sum it up. "COMPASSION AND QUALITY OF LIFE.


dev   March 27th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

MR Montel williams, you are ill-informed about avilability of subutex and suboxone.


Voletear   March 27th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Obama has a lot of nerve treating this question so flippantly. He has admitted using drugs and had he been caught he would not be president right now. In fact, he'd have a hell of a time finding any kind of a job right now. What a hypocrite.


Nick Mpls   March 27th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Marijuana is less invasive than alcohol and nobody seems to identify violence, death, addiction, etc. with it because it is legalized. I feel that if marijuana was legalized and not branded as a “drug”, similar to how society generally does not identify alcohol as a “drug” (although it is), people will come around and I don’t believe there will be noticeable negatives. If marijuana was legalized and taxed as aggressively as alcohol and cigarettes, I’m confident state deficits would transition into surpluses. How many times have you heard of a pothead getting rushed to the emergency room for smoking too much Mary Jane? Given the economy and the financial stressors involved, the best cure for America is the peace and love that comes with the freedom of responsible marijuana use.


Hewe   March 27th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

baldwin has no self control
who should dictate your self control
when you have harmed no one


Jason Rispin   March 27th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Stephen Baldwin is a liar. Marijuana does not lead to harder drugs, it's the fact that it's illegal that leads to other illegal substances.


Jimmy   March 27th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Legalize the Weed – Its not a gateway drug – kids are smoking smarties nowadays.


Jackie Monhollen   March 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

My mother suffered from lung cancer for 4 years, they were all in favor of putting her on chemicals like morphine, dilotid, fentynl, but not a natural plant that is the only thing that got her thru the chemo and radiation. I do not understand the thinking behind this. Marijuana is the least harmful drug that there is, personally i do not consider it a drug, it is a plant. This country is woefully behind on medical issues.


RKNY   March 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Don,

I feel for you my friend.

It's a disgrace that in the "Home of the Free" we don't let our own citizens be free for doing something to them selves for their own reasons.

Ron Paul for President!


tim   March 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Stephen doesnt know what hes talking about. Bad choice of guest.


don   March 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

That debate was weak on larry king. i mean monetl had a few good points but it was a matter of a 7 minute discussion...i mear joke.


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Everyone knows its easier for a teenager to get pot then alcohol.. If Baldwin really cared about children he would do his research and stop pushing his own religious agenda. This is a guy who has a problem with drugs, he used way to much of them, and it shows.


Jason B from GA   March 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

@ James, you need to get off your tower or whatever you are on, brother. You cannot, you cannot, make your morals right, look at hitler, look at all the tyrants, they shoved thier morals and views down everyones throats, if you are going to try to do this, you might as well be a dictator or something like.


Justin Graupp   March 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

this whole deal with pot is really sick. Why shouln't it be legal. IT is in other counrties for one. For two it's not much worse, if not better then a cigarrette. three, the gov can profit from it just like booze. 4 what does it harm?? it make you happy, why is that a problem. you are not hurting any body. I can't understand why things are illegale when the only person you are hurting if you do it is your own body. That does not make sence, that is just a form of control. thank you for reading my opioin


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Very stupid debate!

Lets have two people on who don't support the legalization of Marijuana.
Montel just kept repeating the same thing over and over again.. So the government is a pot dealer. What a surprise.. NOT!


don   March 27th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

As well as how Ron Paul shoved of the day before.


ken wiz   March 27th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Only gateway drug is ALCOHOL
It's first drug that we experience when we are underage thats illegal
It's the drug that effects our bodies if we abuse it

If you abuse marijuana, what effect does it have on your body
Nothing that I'm aware of


Sjoerd   March 27th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

Dear Larry,

As an inhabitant of The Netherlands i've grown up with a certain tolerance for the use of 'Pot', and i can truely say i smoked more then a couple. If i were to advice the America's i would suggest allowing people over 18 own 1gram of Weed, which can give more then enough of a high/stone.

(legislation in the netherlands is 5gr per person over 18 per day, Buying in a coffeeshop. And grow upto 5 plants for own use; one good plant can yield upto 150-200gr depending on the species. Coffeeshops i suspect are mostly run by commune like structures to share rights and grow larger crops, as selling large quantities is restricted by the 5gr legislation)

But what i dont get is why the America's dont make a difference between Industrial Marijuana/medical Marijuana/Person Pleasure marijuana.

– Industrial Marijuana is very lowgrade THC, and planting those (for the use of its fibers) will actually degrade the currently illigal groth. As flowers will spend energy on seed production instead of THC production. And the Fibers are usefull is so many ways, if you think about it, it is very unlikely America was discovered when it was, without the use of Marijuana fibers...

– Medical Marijuana can be distributed through medical channels, and can be medicaly grown and further researched for benificial properties
as is any other 'medical drugg'.

– As far as smoking for pleasure goes, i would suggest a similar system as in the Netherlands. Or for those Americans that still wanna try it, Come to Amsterdam, or any larger city in the Netherlands and smoke your brains out 🙂 , we could do with the extra economic stimulus...

Happy camping,
Sjoerd


Justin Graupp   March 27th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

also how much money is wasted enforcing the point less law of smoking pot. how many people are in jail for somking. common jail is to be for the violet people. not people just trying to soothe depression, or just trying to be happy. it would free up a lot of jail space, and it would free up a lot of the cops time, not having worry about busting people for such petty crimes.


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

America the land of the not so free... Not everyone wants to remain sober their whole life, its no fun.. Just because you want to be sober doesn't mean your point of view needs to be forced on me.


dr.todd   March 27th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

Damn right Baldwin gets it!! But why dont the government get it. Hey how come Larry King Live didn't mention the results of the marijuana poll, hmm. Why is Larry never present during a marijuana episode? All you kept hearing about was that terrible inaccurate cnbc poll done but 1,000 phone surveys on legalization but I'll bet they wont advertise this one.


TC   March 27th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

I am A Pothead and I think the situation in the Afghanistan and Iraq along with the economic crisis he has enough people doing the nations checking acct. the country cant look at any new investments at this time maybe in 4 or 8 yrs they can look at it.


Chris   March 27th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

Prohibition does not work!!! It just creates an underground violent market for something so harmless such as pot!! Marijuana has never killed anybody! It should be a personal choice, one's own right and liberty to smoke a harmless plant if they so choose. The illegality of the plant is what is really causing harm in this country! I really hope that this country comes to its senses soon!


William in NC   March 27th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

What was Baldwin on?

Did you see him just about nod off in the last 30 seconds?

No one sits back and looks at you through the slits of the eyes like that without being messed up on something harder than weed!


Jason B from GA   March 27th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

yes, Mr.Baldwin is just a sinking star and is trying to vie for attention before he utterly just dissapears.

and I will say something about the comparing marijuana to child abuse. that is like comparing an apple to a viper. It just dosent make any sense what-so-ever. I mean, even you said it yourself James that you have tried, it so should we go arrest you for the crimes you have done years ago? Apparently you owe some jail time for the government then, if your saying other people that use should be locked up, you yourself should be locked up for using in the past.

also that is like saying alcohol is like to making cookies. Does it make sense? Nope.


gina   March 27th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

God Bless Montel!!!!!

there are people suffering when this drug would help and yet they cannot get it without the threat of being thrown in jail.
But the doctors can prescribe oxy cotin everyday ( hill-billy heroin) and it all legal.
Oxy cotin is the worse drug on the market it is highly addictive.....when the patient becomes addicted the docs pull it out from under them forcing many to use the black market.

Some time I wonder how this society has ran as long as it has.....

Ya think they have pot brain??????????????

No, they barley have a brain>>>Legalize it for the sick and the economy.


Everett   March 27th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

I can’t allow Steven Baldwin to lie without commenting.

Scientific fact. No such thing as a “gateway drug”

We have done study after study on this. Nobody uses marijuana and suddenly craves some other drug. I’m sorry Mr. Baldwin falls into the tiny percentage of the public with the addiction gene but he surely must realize his path was a minority one. Most people don’t follow the path of destruction he was on. I’d also like to say I’m glad he got clean – even though he is still a bit misguided.

The gateway is the exposure to drugs other than Marijuana. Part of the argument in favor of legalization is that if we provide a reputable place for people to buy it we can assure there won’t be that other stuff on hand.


ken wiz   March 27th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

total wrong to think that you can get marijuana easier than ALCOHLO
That statement is totaly false
Every parent has a liquor cabinet, not a marijuana cabinet


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

Linda, their isn't any physical addiction with Marijuana... Why don't you get your facts straight.


tim   March 27th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

I use marijuana for pain a couple times a week. Is that considered addiction? I cant go two hours without a cigerette...


Cathy   March 27th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

42,000 other uses for cannabis and we keep it illegal for one use.

One will do more time for a marijuana related charge then Rape, Murder or Child Molestation. Where are our priorities?

Steven Baldwin just because you have an addiction issue you want to stop others from receiving medicine. How many pharmaceuticals do you take to keep you off your addictions? How many kids do you have? Get educated instead of pushing your "Oh my God I was addicted and I should make sure everyone gets regulated."

Peace and Clarity


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

That was the results of news polls.. It is not my personal opinion Ken Wiz...


don   March 27th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

Stephen Baldwin is also a celebrity, they usuall get into drugson their own due to extreme amounts of money


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

I don't think so Tim!!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

No, I dont' come with all the facts and figures because it confuses potheads, and the amount would clog up larry's blog.


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Yea very true Don


miguel   March 27th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

Apart from the ocasional glass of wine,i don't drink,but i have been a marijuana smoker for the past 25 years,and i have never once felt the need to try any other type of stimulant.I also happen to know quite a number of people who are just like me and,i am yet to meet someone who has graduated from marijuana smoking to hard drugs.I consider myself fully aware and in control of my life,which incidentally,has been pretty successful in most respects.


don   March 27th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

good excuse james


Jason B from GA   March 27th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

hmm well i am a stoner and maybe you should cause clearly you dont know anything about most people who smoke. IN fact we dont like being called stoner, it was a term labeld on us by an fool like you. We are smarter than you give us credit for, show me some numbers before you make bold asumptions.


ken wiz   March 27th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Linda, Baldwin confused his alcohol addiction or blamed part of his alcohol problem on marijuana just becasue thats what he was
abusing


Frank   March 27th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

I was offended by the dismissive attitude the President displayed when he brought up the Marijuana issue. That on-line audience the President referred too are Americans that are voters and want to be taken seriously. Obama acted liked it was funny or humurious that a large number of people in this country want to stop locking it's citizens up for choosing to smoke pot.


vlad   March 27th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

well, i'm a bit dissapointed with the president obama words.
everything was said already..

i mean, its not just about the economy.. its about the right to choose your own actions.
Since smoking a cann.cigar is harmful to anyone?!


don   March 27th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

nice jason....yeah there are honestly not many negative facts against marijuana use


Carlos   March 27th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

James In Kamiah, Idaho: the war on drugs in Colombia have not work. Now Theres more coca fields than before, because theres more demand from US. About marijuana, thats different because most of it is made in US, Canada and Mexico, whats happening in US people are getting in jail but more people are still smoking, in Canada a lot of people use it ocassionally, and in Mexico illegal marijuana is a big part of cartels budget.


dave   March 27th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

everyone who do alcohol, cigarettes, morphine, Oxycontin and cocaine has similar claims. this is like reading preaching to the walls


Dave   March 27th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

heres a study that was found for Canada in the last year for 2007. It found that Canada had the largest amount of marijuana smokers the number showed that 16.8 percent did it in the last year for ages between 15-64 and for heavy drugs Canada was just under the average around the world. So wouldnt this prove that marijuana does not necessarily lead to harder drugs.

any thoughts.


tim   March 27th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

Obama simply said marijuana would not stimulate the economy. Nothing more, nothing less.


don   March 27th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

the blogs can handle u james i know it...list all these negative effects u know


Julian   March 27th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

Did anyone realize that stephen had the same arguments as the last time he was on Larry King? There are hundreds or reasons to legalize marijuana, but Stephen looked a little thin on reasons to not legalize it.


dave   March 27th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

Mr Billy Simmons 500 princes in British India were Morphine addicts and they were not stupid either. But look what it did to the whole subcontinent for over 200 yrs. Do you want this?


don   March 27th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

i mean i understand there are some negative effects of marijuana...but any effects falls in comparison to any of the damaging effects in the legal drugs people consume daily


maliki   March 27th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

I was married to a woman who did not want me to smoke so I had to go out of the house to smoke , instead of having a spot in the house to smoke in peace. One day I walked the dog and smoke a joint but did not come back home right away because the cops picked me up and put me in lokc up for the day. The police took my dog back home. The judge told me to just smoke in my home. My x wife told me I deserved it, this is why she is my x!!!!!!!! The wildest thing is that she smoked with me before we were married !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Seeing all of this news about Mexico makes me wonder if they have the politicians afraid to make it legal because they and their families would be harmed, think about it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


tim   March 27th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

Morphine is not the topic here....


don   March 27th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

whats wrong james?


Illegalsmile   March 27th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

I'm grateful that Montell brought the federal distribution program to light. Perhaps it will motivate us to review the many important studies that have come out in recent years about marijauna and its uses.


dave   March 27th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

Does anyone remember Morphine war of British against China? China lost Hongkong and Dignity of Emperor and India lost Independence.


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

Morphine is right there with Heroin Mr. Dave..

You made a huge leap their, jumping from pot to Morphine. lol


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

I don't feel all drugs should be legalized. I think Marijuana should be legalized and that is all.


Jason B from GA   March 27th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

Still Dave, this is in no way close to the topic, why even bring it up, ok here, the politicians at Washing D.C. are all heavy drinkers, do you want this?


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

Stephen Baldwin a hypocrit?!? No WAY!! 😉


don   March 27th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

pretty much everyone against legalization is a hypocrit.. and Stephen Balwin has hit more rails than tony hawk


Frank   March 27th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

At least Decriminilize "growing your own". That could be considered Patriotic....then the Cartels wouldn't profit.


Julian   March 27th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

dave, why are you talking about morphine?


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Marijuana and Morphine aren't even in the same ballpark people.


Michelle Keeney   March 27th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

My aunt died 30 years ago from Non-hodgkins lymphoma, A chicago doctor told her to smoke marijuana to offset the nausea from chemotherapy, it worked. I am a chronic pain sufferer rom back surgery, I am 49 and marijuana is the only way I can relieve pain. My surgeon refused me Vicodin, he stated you have been on Vicodin for 1 year and the addiction rate is high, he refused to give me something for my pain, he treated me like an addict in the making, marijuana gives me more relief than any manmade pain reliever, I am of Native American decent and was told by my father of many natural herbal remedies and marijuana is nothing more that an herb that grows wild in the Americas. Go Green!!!


Marty   March 27th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

The United States clearly needs a National Healthcare Program. However if we are not going to take on the tobacco companies and make cigarettes illegal what is the point? Why should nonsmokers pay billions of dollars for smoker’s medical bills?


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Thank you Julian!


dave   March 27th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

As Carl Segan was a pot head and so did Einstein and they were not stupid. CORRECT with same logic someone can argue that Mahatma Gandhi was Bald that means any and all bald men can be Mahatma Gandhi.


don   March 27th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

Frank i like the new American way idea


Frank   March 27th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

that's right grow and smoke "American"


Jason B from GA   March 27th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

@ Dave, you are pointing fingers in the dark and no one knows what you are talking about. You just, what, just go away Dave.


Helene   March 27th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

I have smoked pot for 27 years. I HAVE NEVER BEEN TEMPTED TO ADVANCE TO ANYTHING HARDER. Mr. Baldwin's repeated statements on Larry King that smoking pot ABSOLUTELY is a gateway drug is simply ignorant. He admitted tonight on Larry King he knows this from first hand experience. O.K., so little baby Baldwin had a problem with drugs. Frankly, I think he's got a Baldwin identity crises.... He's all about Hollywood... looking for a platform.... wanting to be the center of attention. Just because this Hollywood wannabe had a problem with hard drugs does not mean the rest of the World is just like him. Get a life, Baldwin. You don't know what you are talking about. And all my pot smoking friends who are just as disgusted by harder drugs, as I am, would agree. How many people have been in pot related car accidents? How often do you see pot smokers getting into fights, the way drinkers do? We pot-smokers are all too busy hangin' out ...chillin...staying relaxed in this crazy World.


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

I like that don and frank. They should just let us grow our own 🙂


don   March 27th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

Indeed frank


dave   March 27th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

Here is a mentality that unless i get what i want, whoever and whatever differ with me is a conspirator and a lier.


Jason B from GA   March 27th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

@ Frank, I heard a rumor that is what Obama was thinking about, letting you "grow" your own as an alt. lifestyle, as with being homosexual. But it was just a rumor I heard, cant be sure if it was the truth


Julian   March 27th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

I just want to thank CNN and Larry King for discussing this topic. There have been a lot of people waiting a long time to talk openly about the legalization of marijuana. It is about time this topic reached the ears of our politicians in Washington. They may feel the same way we do about legalizing it, but have been too worried to discuss it or decriminalize it. Now we are finally seeing that the majority of citizens wants to legalize marijuana.


tim   March 27th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

I am a God fearing Christian. I use pot because it helps my condition. I trust a natural plant before I trust a man made pill with all kinds of side effects. To me, pills are far worse.


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

No one said Einstein was a pothead Dave... You are really not making any sense Dave...


Jason B from GA   March 27th, 2009 10:29 pm ET

Dave, you have to be on something cause you went from morphine to conspiracy theories?


don   March 27th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

eh at least james took a hike


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:31 pm ET

I am going to keep pushing this issue... I am think about starting a blog and donated to NORML today.


Rev_X   March 27th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

God made the plant for us to use as food, medicine, and fiber. All Christians should unite! Man's laws should not be used to keep God's healing herb out of the hands of the people!


don   March 27th, 2009 10:32 pm ET

nice billy


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:34 pm ET

I am a huge obama supporter but you know what.. I really didn't like the way he handled this.. He should have gave a real explanation. Don't laugh about it like its ridiculous..


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 27th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

but it IS rediculous. That's why he laughed.


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

"I don't know what this says about our online audience.." That is your GRASS roots movement man don't throw us to the side..


626   March 27th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

i'm high but,does any else that HIGH and MIGHTY james can't spell the word "you" once but were the stupid ones?


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Your ridiculous James...


don   March 27th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

well marijuana users clearly won this debate


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

Yes Sir!


tim   March 27th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

James... You lost me buddy...


don   March 27th, 2009 10:38 pm ET

ahh james is back just ignore him


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

How you know hes doped up?!? That is a heck of an assumption.. You do not know that.


miss d   March 27th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

Absolutely,
Legalize Marijuana, especially Medical Marijuana; If Government was so concerned about doing the right thing and doing their job, why were they deregulating the wrong industry- the banking industry and Wall Street!! And, they were deregulating in the name of FREEDOM!!!
Did they forget they were elected to do a job– like protect the American people and that includes our economy from falling off a cliff.
Alcohol has far worse consequences and rehab, not prison, is the desired treatment for addictive behaviors!! Smart people know this. Maybe less people will be inclined to drink if they had marijuana available. Personally I don't chose to do either, but I am not afraid of letting others decide these matters for themselves. I think people who have addictive tendencies are more fearful to want legalization because they don't trust themselves.
We would rather spend billions on a failing "War on Drugs" for 30 years, incarcerate common folks for smoking pot, torture sick people, by not allowing them humane treatment when marijuana is prescribed by their doctor for a disease, than legalize a drug less dangerous than alcohol.
Has everyone gone MAD!!!. I hope Obama realizes he needs to make a change; at least regulate this industry and allow it to thrive with reliable standards–the days when big government dictates private matters needs to end, It's time Government does what they are elected to do. Fix the Banking system and Regulate our Financial Markets. Protect America in crisis and "Get out of our living rooms -Put America Back to Work!!"


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

Don, do you use AIM?


don   March 27th, 2009 10:39 pm ET

james for president


Billy Simmons, MD   March 27th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

James is pulling things up from like a half hour ago.. I think you missed your chance to comment on that post like 25 minutes ago man..


don   March 27th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

yeah bill (alicedmaster)


Robert Walker   March 27th, 2009 10:46 pm ET

It's not a laughing matter it really is a medicine that truelly does work for many of us in the medical marijuana communities around the states that have implimented such programs. Please listen to the resent results from medical studies done in San diago and Montana the "good" totally out number the so called "bad" effects. Please our voices we number in the huhdred of thousands now.
Sincerely
Thank you
Robert[Brotherbob]Walker-"PATIENT FOR 10 YEARS"with excellant results


Helene   March 27th, 2009 10:51 pm ET

Hey Dr. Simmons,

I am an Obama supporter, too. I think he's getting so much flack from the Obama-hating pundits, ...perhaps.... he's concerned about the one straw that breaks the old camel's back. I bet he would support legalizing pot if he was not juggling so many hot potatoes.

And, by the way.... the negativity and hostility coming from these pundits is, frankly, ugly and painful to those of us who witness it, daily, on the tube. They offer no solutions. Only insults. Where the hell were they when the Bush League was ringing this country dry?

Weapons of mass destruction.... and all the other lies we were told so they could manipulate us.... These pundits are part of the problem... but I think they may be getting to Obama. I think he's handling an ugly situation quite well.... although, of course, I do wish he'd legalize pot.


Carl Bostek   March 27th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

President Obama is right to dismiss the legalization of marijuana as a means to stimulate the economy. If it were legal, who would be the main suppliers? The cartels! They provide the vast majority of the pot smoked in the US, they have the distribution network and they have the means and the will to eliminate any competition.

The only valid reason to decriminalize or legalize pot is to remove the immense illegal profits currently being reaped. That is a worthwhile goal. The question is, how can we as a nation do that without giving the cartels a legitimate business outlet in the US?


don   March 27th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

yeah i agree. it is more of a long term thing for the president i think, i mean he was elected to fix the economy. anthing like this will probably take place in the later years


Illegalsmile   March 27th, 2009 10:59 pm ET

I think you're right, Don. He's going to throw drug policy reform under the buss to get his other policies (education, green and medical) passed. Can you say sacrificial lamb?


Robert Walker   March 27th, 2009 11:04 pm ET

Legalization is not the question right now! The question is may we keep it as the herb that it has been since the beginning of time it has always been used as a medication throughout history even before our time.OUR SOCIETY MADE IT ILLEGAL BY CALLING IT MARIJUANA_AND CRIMININALIZING IT.We just want it back as our choice of medicines in this pharmasutical world it simply works better without harming our health.
Brotherbob


don   March 27th, 2009 11:06 pm ET

after our economy regains some stability it will be a more serious topic with the president. And then maybe we could further improve the economy


don   March 27th, 2009 11:11 pm ET

Unless this topic stays on the news and people press the subject it will just go back to the same old stuff we have dealt with i.e. cops, violence because of it being illegal, good people going to jail, the demonization of its use by false propaganda.


Helene   March 27th, 2009 11:20 pm ET

I've got this amazing book on my shelf, "The Great Book of HEMP" by Rowan Robinson. He talks about how the founding fathers of this nation [Thomas Paine, Alexander Hamilton, George Washington and Thomas Jefferson encouraged its cultivation...] Jefferson even gave instructions on how to grow it... In fact, the first and second drafts of the Declaration of Independence were written on Dutch hemp paper in the summer of 1776.


don   March 27th, 2009 11:21 pm ET

SO I URGE THE PUBLIC NOT TO LET THIS TOPIC DIE DOWN


don   March 27th, 2009 11:23 pm ET

helen check out " US government hemp for victory " on youtube it was mentioned earier....it shows how much the government supported hemp and used it in WW2


Illegalsmile   March 27th, 2009 11:23 pm ET

God advise, Don!


Helene   March 27th, 2009 11:27 pm ET

Wow. Thanx, don. Will do.

Perhaps someone should forward that video to President Obama.


don   March 27th, 2009 11:28 pm ET

yeah h would take the issue more serious in how versitile a product it is...and thx


Dodie from Irvine CA   March 27th, 2009 11:28 pm ET

don

The government had the military guys using cocaine and speed in Vietnam.

I am for legalizing Cannabis. But your statement was weak


Dane   March 27th, 2009 11:29 pm ET

Let's not forget this great quote either, for those who may have never heard it:

"Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man's appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded."
-Abraham Lincoln


don   March 27th, 2009 11:32 pm ET

it talks about the government using HEMP for ropes for ships firehoses for firemen, parachutes for soldiers, clothing in all forms...it saved them a lot of money in suppies


Helene   March 27th, 2009 11:33 pm ET

Since Obama is such an enormous fan of Abraham Lincoln (as most of us are), "someone" should send him that quote, too!!! That's a great quote.


Dodie from Irvine CA   March 27th, 2009 11:35 pm ET

don that was the male hemp plant... not the female plant which is what cannabis is used to smoke.

try smoking the male plant... you will NOT feel anything


don   March 27th, 2009 11:38 pm ET

they showed both.....it was a taller growing plant so yeah...but there were male and female..or there would be no seeds


don   March 27th, 2009 11:39 pm ET

Hemp is simpily the stalk from a male or female plant....the video just shows it veritilty and why the U.S stood by it as a grand resource


don   March 27th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

and great quote Dane


Illegalsmile   March 27th, 2009 11:48 pm ET

Thanks for sharing the quote, Dane. Obama is a big fan of Abraham Lincoln, as we all know. I hope he'll be the most progressive president we've had so far on this issue.


Helene   March 27th, 2009 11:48 pm ET

If we created a hemp industry.... rope, shoes, clothes and the rest... this would help our economy. We need to be entrepreneurs... instead of borrowing money left and right... let's "grow" something which there is a HUGE market for... We, Americans, could demolish the deficit if we just utilize our entrepreneurial spirit, collectively....

If you don't smoke pot... hemp clothing might work 4 U... unlike plastic, it's biodegradable... and it breathes...


don   March 28th, 2009 12:02 am ET

yeah i really hope they do not dismiss this issue. furthermore,they should legalize it on a federal level and tax it... i mean they sell and tax alcohol and ciggarettes which have killed millions, either way it is uncostitutional for it to remain illegal considering the fact that nothing good comes of it being illegal, unlike harder drugs it has almost no negative side effects, but the fact is good people go to jail for a substace that is pretty much harmless, the herb causes no harm the law does the damage


Helene   March 28th, 2009 12:06 am ET

Yes, Don, and the jails are jammed up... so who do they let out, when they are over crowed? The rapists and the murderers.


don   March 28th, 2009 12:06 am ET

Yeah i think that we can use our modern technologies to use all the dvantages of hemp that we can..i mean if we found that many uses for it in WW2, i am sure we could find a whole new slew of uses


Marcia   March 28th, 2009 12:06 am ET

As a former user and maybe a future user due to the a diagnosis of glaucoma, I can attest to the fact that this is truly a medicine because my husband is a medical marijuana patient.
As far as Steven Baldwin is concerned he must have an addictive personality.
It helps so many people with a variety of chronic illnesses, can be used for fiber and food and would greatly reduce our dependence on foreign oil.
Do you realize that prohibition was started by the big oil companies decades ago?


Helene   March 28th, 2009 12:07 am ET

I meant to say... over-crowded...


don   March 28th, 2009 12:08 am ET

yeah great point helene


Helene   March 28th, 2009 12:10 am ET

backatcha...


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 12:16 am ET

Assemblymember Tom Ammiano (D-San Francisco) made the following statement regarding the federal raid of a medical marijuana dispensary in San Francisco this week:

"I am extremely disappointed with the Drug Enforcement Agency's decision to raid the medical marijuana dispensary in San Francisco earlier this week. The clinic is in compliance with all local laws and currently holds a permit from the Department of Public Health. Only one week ago, Attorney General Eric Holder announced that the Obama administration would not prosecute medicinal pot clubs and we welcomed this long overdue shift in policy. Unfortunately, Wednesday's DEA raid was a clear step backward. With the increasing violence along the Mexican border, the DEA should be focusing their efforts on fighting these dangerous cartels rather than sick people seeking compassionate care. To date, thirteen states across the country have passed medical marijuana laws and several more have laws under consideration. The medicinal value of marijuana has been proven without a doubt and public opinion polls show broad support. It is now time for the federal government to respect those states which support the use of medical marijuana. I will be writing President Obama outlining my concerns and I respectfully urge Attorney General Eric Holder to clarify his new policy with the DEA."


Dane   March 28th, 2009 12:22 am ET

I didn't quite know what to think when I first heard about that raid... but it is certainly nice to see such concern for this issue.

Hopefully they'll listen to Tom Ammiano.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 12:23 am ET

How could Eric Holder announce this, and then renig?

These clubs are sitting ducks. Much easier catch than those Cartels appearing on Forbes richest list.


don   March 28th, 2009 12:25 am ET

i hope that works out violence against people who want nothing more than to ease there pain is horibble and I think there taking down people who do no harm instead of stopping the mexican cartels ruthless attacks


Helene   March 28th, 2009 12:35 am ET

Marcia.... great point about hemp as food. Pots seeds are super-rich in omega-3 fatty acids, and the seeds are also rich in fibers.... that clean the gut and balance hormones, naturally (men have hormones, too, by the way.)

And, omega-3's help manage inflammation, manage depression, and reduce LDL cholestrol and triglycerides!!!


Helene   March 28th, 2009 12:38 am ET

re: omega 3's.... too bad the pot I smoke has no seeds.... O.K. never mind. I"ll get my omega-3's from Salmon or something.


ken   March 28th, 2009 12:42 am ET

Legalizing cannibus takes power away from already powerful drug cartels.


don   March 28th, 2009 12:43 am ET

nice helene lol


aaron   March 28th, 2009 12:46 am ET

Its a plant not drug. Asprins legal but if you take 13 or 14 it will be your last headache. Legalize it!


Helene   March 28th, 2009 12:47 am ET

...so happy U could appreciate that!


Johnny Potsmoker   March 28th, 2009 12:47 am ET

I believe that a drug (marijuana) somewhere in between the lines of coffee and beer should be legalized.


David   March 28th, 2009 12:49 am ET

What happened to us being the most free nation on Earth? I think not. Its really a sad situation. These politicians waste our precious time and $ to make a harmless plant illegal. How many billions have been spent? How many people's lives have been destroyed by this senseless law?

There is no freedom in America. You can even catch a fish without having to pay for a permit or license to do so.

Lets get back to our real freedoms. Give me my guns and give me my pot and let me catch a damn fish for christ sake!!


Jan   March 28th, 2009 12:49 am ET

Legalize marijuana. What will that do? It will take the money out of the issue. No longer will Mexican or Columbian cartels make billions of dollars and rule with terror. No longer will young men and women follow a path of "crime" because the lure of making fast money will be gone. No more quick, fast money – no more having a record for possessing miniscule amounts of drugs. No more gang wars over territory. There will be little of nothing left to fight about. Take the ill wind, that blows no good (the money) out of drugs, by making it legal. Tax it – make some government money. I would think that if it was legal the allure would be far less than it is and useage would be reduced. There would not be an epidemic of pot heads and coke heads. Everyone will not use drugs. Everyone does not drink. Yes some will abuse it, but isn't that better than having thousands of people in jail and hundreds killed over some plants.


josh   March 28th, 2009 12:50 am ET

It's safer than drinking and driving. People already spend money on it, at least if it was legal the money would actually stay in this country


don   March 28th, 2009 12:50 am ET

glad some kool stoner girls are coming out of the woodwork


Amir salam   March 28th, 2009 12:52 am ET

There are many things more harmful than marijuana. Yes I think it should legalize it.


David   March 28th, 2009 12:52 am ET

Stephen Baldwin is just looking for face time and is a douche


Helene   March 28th, 2009 12:55 am ET

I believe it was on CNN, today, that statistically more guys smoke pot than girls... The report said, women were more into pharmaceuticals. No wonder I always hung out with the guys.


joe stallings   March 28th, 2009 12:56 am ET

the only reason there are drug laws is to protect the financial interests of theprotected big 3 drug producers, alcohol, tobacco, and pharmaceuticals. to believe anything else is to be naive. if you or any of your family or friends are robbed, mugged, burglarized, it will be for the procurement of merchandise to pawn or trade for money to buy a drug that they cannot afford. the laws protect individuals from harming 'themselves' with their personal choice to use whatever they choose to, illegal or not. at the expense of the safety of every non drug using or non-criminal drug user in the world. understand, that legally obtained pharmaceutical grade cocaine purchased through a pharmacy by a dr. is $6 an ounce. if legal, they only hurt themselves and not have to rob anyone to gather together 6 bucks. thank you.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:57 am ET

Jason B from GA March 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

@ James, you need to get off your tower or whatever you are on, brother. You cannot, you cannot, make your morals right, look at hitler, look at all the tyrants, they shoved thier morals and views down everyones throats, if you are going to try to do this, you might as well be a dictator or something like.

This isnt' abotu morals you dolt, it's about logic and reason and facts. And your comparing me to hitler just shows how weak your arguement is.


nia   March 28th, 2009 12:59 am ET

Lesson in journalism people . . . don't cut to a commercial break right after one brief remark, if so this is not a debate of any real significance. Allowing the opposing side 5 minutes to think before responding to the first commentator's remarks is well . . . lame. Just another reason our household doesn't regularly utilize CNN as a source for news.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:00 am ET

Oh. nothing'swrong don... I just sat down to feed my baby and eat... dont' flatter yourself really, simply because I ahve to take care fo other responsibilities in exchange for babysotting oyu.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 1:01 am ET

The only reason mj is the gateway drug is because you have to go to a drug dealer to get it. Once legalized there's no more drug dealer, it's no longer the gateway drug because your source doesn't sell the other stuff.


LInda   March 28th, 2009 1:01 am ET

I am an evangelical Christian and I wholeheartedly support the full legalization of marijuana. I believe that, in it's natural form, the way God made it, it's fine, let moderation and self discipline prevail.
There should be absolutely no limits of "medical" (which would unnecessarily increase medical expenses).
As a tax payer, I object to my tax dollars being used to house and feed people who have been arrested and jailed regarding this, (and also have had their lives ruined).
These people should all be freed immediately, with clear records, and have the opportunity to again be tax paying contributors to society, instead of financial burdens upon society.
That Steven Baldwin in no way speaks for all right wing Christians!! His comment about 150 billion dollars in negative consequences is totally unfounded scare tactics.
The current laws, which are costing taxpayers a fortune to implement, are a waste of money.
Thanks so much for opening this subject for discussion.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:04 am ET

Oh, I didn't take a hike don you presumptuous twit. Babysitting a pothead was something I did in high school. As a got older I put away the childish things. You should follow suit.


Jay-Paul   March 28th, 2009 1:04 am ET

I am for the legalization of marijuana. Because it needs be decriminalized, but I also say that it should be legal for persons 25 and over unless it is medicinal.


Dana   March 28th, 2009 1:06 am ET

I can't say I agree with the argument that Marijuana leads to harder drugs, in some instances I suppose; however, I know numerous people who smoke Marijuana and have never touched another drug, oh, that's if you're not including the legal ones, Alcohol and Cigarettes


Helene   March 28th, 2009 1:08 am ET

Oh James.... why don't you go out and pick some potatoes.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 1:11 am ET

Helene, Thanks for the info on omega-3 in hemp seeds. I've never heard that before. I have been curious about what omega-3 could do for me but can't tolerate fish oil in any form.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 1:11 am ET

Yea, I don't like Stephen Baldwin.. lol.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:11 am ET

Wow... Soooooomuch ignorance. Soooo little time.

1. Hemp is not smoked, it is woven
2. The reason the carttels are so strong in colombia is because they are all bought off and that's why the drugs are becoming more pervasive here. Cops are ebign bought off and smoking it themselves because they can't handle their jobs properly, but then, if I were paid such low wages for dealing with potheads like don Illegalsmile, and Dane, and any other pothead enabling their own habit, I'd probably toke up a fatty too.
3. Your'e right hemp hasn't hurt anyone, high drivers have, high parents have, high bullies and teenagers have, high cops have. getting it now? Or do I have to spoonfeed you idiots?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:12 am ET

Why? Are you hungry fatty? Got the munchies do ya?


RJ   March 28th, 2009 1:12 am ET

How socially primitive are we ? Alcohol legal. Tobacco legal. Deadly Pharmaceuticals legal. Poisonous chemicals in processed foods legal.

Marijuana illegal!!


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 1:13 am ET

Salvia's legal :-/


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:17 am ET

aaawww dudes I know it's all such a buzzkill ya know? All these darned facts and stuff. Gosh it must hurt your foggy brains to think straight anymore.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 1:19 am ET

If you don't like fish, you can get omega-3's in phyto-plankton.... which also has a g'zillion other nutrients. You can get it wholesale on healthypeople.com ....or just google it. You will be fascinated about what you learn.

Dr. Andrew Weil recommends people take it... I just heard him discuss that at a seminar I attended a couple weeks ago. (If you have never heard of Dr. Andrew Weil, M.D., google him, too. He is truly an integrative medical pioneer.)


Reed   March 28th, 2009 1:19 am ET

More than a dozen states taxed marijuana through licensed dealers from the mid-1970s to mid-1990s, via state statutes like those for the luxury taxes on alcohol and tobacco. Arizona repealed its law in 1997. Let's bring it back!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:19 am ET

All you people are doing is making up excuses. Anythign to do less and less work with less and less quality I guess. It's all just too hard anymore.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 1:20 am ET

Hemp is the common name for plants of the entire genus Cannabis, although the term is often used to refer only to Cannabis strains cultivated for industrial (non-drug) use.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:21 am ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 1:19 am ET

If you don’t like fish, you can get omega-3’s in phyto-plankton

Then why on earth advocate for legalizing pot if Omega 3's is part fo your arguement?


Lil Reggie   March 28th, 2009 1:21 am ET

Just for a second lets be honest......Why won't the government just keep real and say we don't want to legalize marijuana because we make more money off it being illegal..


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 1:21 am ET

James I don't even want to google your little factoids cuz it just sounds like bs, horrible bs.


herman in san jose   March 28th, 2009 1:22 am ET

lets see, supposedly maijuana shouldn't be legalized because it's a "gateway" drug. when i was a kid the real gateway drug was the cigarrette me and my brother stole from my mom, we were about 6-7 years old, THAT was the apple on the tree! i don't care for booze, i'd rather drink a coffee or expresso, but i like to smoke a little bit of good bud like once or twice a month. i probably wouldn't smoke more even it were legalized. plus i never heard of anyone smoking weed and beating up their wife or wrecking their car or making a total fool out of themselves, unlike alcahol. i live in california, if you need something to relax you, try a marijuana brownie, my friend gave me one from a club here in the bay area it works better than vicodin and all the other narcotic pain killers my doctor prescribed, i aint kidding. i had 2 surgery's last year, brownies work better! legalize it! tax it! everybody wins!


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 1:23 am ET

Phyto-plankton. I'll check it out. Thanks!


dreebel   March 28th, 2009 1:23 am ET

i believe marijauna should be legalized, it would save the government money by unlocking those bad criminals for having some weed! then it would help our economy by grpwing it,there are jobs to be had from the beginnning of growing til the end of the process. i also believe that the only reason its a gateway drug is because when you go to loook for it , you run into harder drugs. just my opinion.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 1:24 am ET

There are pov'ed out people who are so miserable and actually won't ever amount to anything who don't smoke mj and then you have people like BIll Maher.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:24 am ET

No, Hemp is the common name used to refer only to Cannabis strains cultivated for industrial (non-drug) use, such as with ropes, necklaces, clothing, bracelets, nets, and the like. It does not include the smoking of in recreational or medicinal subjects.

It's Marijuana. It's scientific name is too often used by people attempting to make their arguements seem more enlightened, but whose only real source of info comes from propoganda websites and articles in magazines like High Times.


Amanda Roche   March 28th, 2009 1:25 am ET

Legalizing marijuana is a difficult choice to make because there are many people who still considered legalization of marijuana as immoral as alcohol was in the early 1920s. Even if President Barack Obama thinks it is a good idea, he knows the volcanic reaction from the far right, those New-Cons whose hypocrisy is so appalling it leaves me out of breath. The religious fanatics are the most evil people, the most sinful, and the cruelest. Their view of the world is filled with superstitions, the darkest thoughts, and the most pessimistic outcomes. Had Obama said he is considering the possibility, the explosion in the media, and the elation of people like Rush Limbaugh, the Republicans who are waiting for Obama to fail in order to gain political points would have been reason to party and get drunk for at least a week. I know marijuana will be legalized, but America is not ready for it, not until more than 2/3 of the population come to the realization that legalization will take the temptation of probation from the minds of our youth. For young people the forbidden is mystifying, exiting, thought provoking, intriguing, and enters a journey of discovery through smoking the substance. It is similar to what a man will do to get the woman he cannot have. The man may fall in love with the woman and marry her if he can win her over, but he may also get over the craving once he gets manages to win the woman into his arms. For some men the conquest is more exciting than getting the woman. For others, getting the woman is a genuine desire. The forbidden I much more desirable when it is forbidden than when it is readily available, because it takes the mystery out of it.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 1:27 am ET

I agree with Amanda.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 1:29 am ET

James, I was mentioning that pot seeds are rich in omega-3's... and that the pot I smoke has no seeds.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 1:32 am ET

Hemp
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Hemp (from Old English hænep, see cannabis (etymology)) is the common name for plants of the entire genus Cannabis


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 1:33 am ET

LOL he google ur factoid and you were wrong James 🙂


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:34 am ET

Amanda Roche March 28th, 2009 1:25 am ET

Legalizing marijuana is a difficult choice to make because there are many people who still considered legalization of marijuana as immoral as alcohol was in the early 1920s.

James... Actually it's an easy choice to make regardless of moral platitudes and inefficiencies. I could care less about the moral implications of someone's personal choice. I'm far more concerned abotu the load of crap people are trying to pas off as a misjudged snickers bar, to the detriment of those who've already eben taught it's wrong and to my daughter who isnt' yet old enough to know better. the passing along of false information is both unethical and destructive and that is what many of oyu are doing here under the guise of some false enlightened feelign you pretend to get everytime you smoke the crap as if it brings oyu closer to your imaginary friend. But then, that kind of makes sense because the support you use for your arguemetns is mroe often than not also imaginary.

Even if President Barack Obama thinks it is a good idea, he knows the volcanic reaction from the far right, those New-Cons whose hypocrisy is so appalling it leaves me out of breath. The religious fanatics are the most evil people, the most sinful, and the cruelest. Their view of the world is filled with superstitions, the darkest thoughts, and the most pessimistic outcomes. Had Obama said he is considering the possibility, the explosion in the media, and the elation of people like Rush Limbaugh, the Republicans who are waiting for Obama to fail in order to gain political points would have been reason to party and get drunk for at least a week.

James... Whew, then gee I sure am glad I'm an independant and an Atheist. Hmmm, I wonder what ground oyur hasty generalization has to stand on now?

I know marijuana will be legalized, but America is not ready for it, not until more than 2/3 of the population come to the realization that legalization will take the temptation of probation from the minds of our youth. For young people the forbidden is mystifying, exiting, thought provoking, intriguing, and enters a journey of discovery through smoking the substance. It is similar to what a man will do to get the woman he cannot have. The man may fall in love with the woman and marry her if he can win her over, but he may also get over the craving once he gets manages to win the woman into his arms. For some men the conquest is more exciting than getting the woman. For others, getting the woman is a genuine desire. The forbidden I much more desirable when it is forbidden than when it is readily available, because it takes the mystery out of it.

James... YES! Follow the sandal; No Follow the gorde, no follow the sandal!... this is Monty pythons life of Brian gone amuck.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 1:34 am ET

Of course hemp is commonly known as the woven stuff.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:36 am ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 1:29 am ET

James, I was mentioning that pot seeds are rich in omega-3’s…

Oh, I got that, which is why I asked why oyu would be advocating for the legalization of pot if the Omega 3's were really your concern when you can jsut as easily get them from eating a nice salmon or the Phyto plankton you spoke of.

and that the pot I smoke has no seeds.

And oyu shoudl be arrested and your stash destroyed in a vat of acid.


Reed   March 28th, 2009 1:38 am ET

Let's canvas the neighborhood for some canvas! (I think this word is of Dutch origin)


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:38 am ET

Ah yes... wikipedia... the bastion of honesty and integrity, and definitions that random people do not "correct" from time to time. but I understood your point. It is still invalid. Hemp comes from the stalks. Not the leaves, buds or seeds.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:39 am ET

Hemp is neither inhaled or imbobed in an attempt to get high. It makes awonderful jacket though. and very warm and earth friendly.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:41 am ET

And arent' you glad you use dial? Dont' you wish everyone did?


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 1:41 am ET

lol James


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 1:43 am ET

"A Renewal of Common Sense: The Case for Hemp in 21st Century America." Erik Rothenberg, Vote Hemp, Inc., Washington, DC, March, 2001.

"Washington State Hemp Report." Washington Agriculture and Forestry Education Foundation Group, WA, April, 2001.

"THC in Hemp Foods and Cosmetics: The Appropriate Risk Assessment." James Geiwitz, Ph.D. and the Ad Hoc Committee on Hemp Risks, September 15, 2000.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:44 am ET

And your'e posting the... excuse me REposting that here Why exactly? oh, I'm sorry did you imagine I wasn't aware fo the benefits of hemp? 🙄


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 1:45 am ET

During the period from 1937 to the late 60s, the U.S. government understood and acknowledged that industrial hemp and marijuana were distinct varieties of the Cannabis plant. Hemp was no longer officially recognized as distinct from marijuana after the passage of the Controlled Substances Act (CSA) of 1970. This is despite the fact that a specific exemption for hemp was included in the CSA under the definition of marijuana. The recent federal court case HIA vs DEA has re-established acknowledgement of distinct varieties of Cannabis, and supports the exemption for non-viable seed and fiber and any products made from them.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 1:47 am ET

Can they make tea from mj??


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:48 am ET

In other words Illegalsmile [also known as permagrin ;)], certain hemp based products are already legal to manufacture and distribute and there really is no reason for oyu to place that here as an aside to the legalization of marijuana for recreational puposes, except of course to confuse the readers.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 1:51 am ET

James, you appear to be an extremely hostile, angry person, and I am sorry for your daughter.

I have not smoked for a few weeks... because I ran out of it. So, I've been straight during this entire conversation. You should go back and read your notes.... I can hardly understand anything you write or say. And, I've got a Masters Degree in Education and Nutrition... so, I'm not dumb.

My argument for legalizing pot?

– Cartels sell it because of the profit they make off it. If it is sold more cheaply than they sell it for, it is no longer profitable for them. The Mexican people are forced to obey the Cartels or they lose their lives. If the Cartels no longer sell drugs because it is not profitable, the people of Mexico, the Police and the Government of Mexico get their lives back

– pot is not physically addictive... like I said... I ran out a while back, and I'm fine. No physical effects. Life is good. I just happen to enjoy the serotonin rush.

– pot could be taxed and reduce the deficit. The money earned could be used for educational and rehab programs for addicts... to teach them other ways of coping.

– the hemp industry could further reduce the deficit, but, I believe it is illegal to grow it for non-smoking purposes....

– our jails would have room for murderers and rapists... and idiots, like you.

The omega-3's were not an argument for legalizing pot. It was just a fact I happened to mention.

I'm sure I have more reasons for legalizing it... but, I think I've made my point.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 1:52 am ET

In 1937, Congress passed the Marihuana Tax Act which effectively began the era of hemp prohibition. The tax and licensing regulations of the act made hemp cultivation difficult for American farmers. The chief promoter of the Tax Act, Harry Anslinger, began promoting anti-marijuana legislation around the world.


Reed   March 28th, 2009 1:54 am ET

Amen, Helene!


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 1:54 am ET

and it would cease to be the gateway drug cause you wouldn't be getting it from drug dealers anymore. 🙂


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 1:56 am ET

Another words James, if you daughter, forbid, ever decided to get stoned behind your back with her friends, as it stands now, she's probably gonna get her weed from somebody who can give her the other harder stuff.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 1:56 am ET

For the first time since the federal government outlawed hemp farming in the United States, a federal bill has been introduced that would remove restrictions on the cultivation of non-psychoactive industrial hemp. H.R. 3037, the "Industrial Hemp Farming Act of 2005," was written with the help of Vote Hemp by chief sponsor Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), and several original co-sponsors have already signed on. The bill defines industrial hemp and assigns authority over it to the states, allowing laws in those states regulating the growing and processing of industrial hemp to take effect.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 1:59 am ET

Thank you, Helene for the intelligent conversation. You rock!


Helene   March 28th, 2009 2:01 am ET

Backatcha, Illegalsmile!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:01 am ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 1:51 am ET

James, you appear to be an extremely hostile, angry person, and I am sorry for your daughter.

James... Ah yes, the predictable and enevitable protest of the hypersensitive miscreant who, having no better arguement, attacks the messenger, or in this case, the messengers charactter and parentign skilss. Completley devoid of any knowledge to support her claim.

I have not smoked for a few weeks… because I ran out of it. So, I’ve been straight during this entire conversation. You should go back and read your notes…. I can hardly understand anything you write or say. And, I’ve got a Masters Degree in Education and Nutrition… so, I’m not dumb.

James... okay. I'll just take your word on all that.

My argument for legalizing pot?

– Cartels sell it because of the profit they make off it. If it is sold more cheaply than they sell it for, it is no longer profitable for them. The Mexican people are forced to obey the Cartels or they lose their lives. If the Cartels no longer sell drugs because it is not profitable, the people of Mexico, the Police and the Government of Mexico get their lives back

Cartels sell it because of the profit they make off it. If it is sold more cheaply than they sell it for, it is no longer profitable for them; so, they start killing the people who threaten their lucrative business. The Mexican people are forced to obey the Cartels or they lose their lives, and that won't change. If the Cartels feel threatened that they can no longer sell drugs because it is not profitable, the people of Mexico, the Police and the Government of Mexico will not get their lives back, but instead will have those lives made all the mroe precarious, because the cartels have lost their cash cow.

– pot is not physically addictive… like I said… I ran out a while back, and I’m fine. No physical effects. Life is good. I just happen to enjoy the serotonin rush.

You seem really moody and defensive right now. Are you sure you're okay? I still have some old connections if you'd liek a hook up. 😉 We both know you would... but hey... I can play along... you can quit... anytime you want to... you just choose not to want to... right?

– pot could be taxed and reduce the deficit. The money earned could be used for educational and rehab programs for addicts… to teach them other ways of coping.

Or, we could just use our already expensive and paid for jails to start counseling the ones already incarcerated right? How about quitting as a way of coping? 😉

– the hemp industry could further reduce the deficit, but, I believe it is illegal to grow it for non-smoking purposes….

You believe wrong.

– our jails would have room for murderers and rapists… and idiots, like you.

What'd I tell ya... moody and defensive 😉 Ha ha ha ha ha! Our jails have room now, they just arent' being used properly.

The omega-3’s were not an argument for legalizing pot. It was just a fact I happened to mention.

But why mention it? If not to extole the vertues of pot? 😀

I’m sure I have more reasons for legalizing it… but, I think I’ve made my point.

Not really, but you have been very adept at regurgitating other peoples points.


don   March 28th, 2009 2:03 am ET

james has a baby...i feel sry for it


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:03 am ET

Oh, I've been engaging in intelligent conversation, I've jsut been callign you all on your flawwed arguements. Ron paul included.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:04 am ET

She's not an it don you useless tit, she's allittle girl and she's beautiful and I'll thank you to keep your false sense of concern and your pot hands away from her.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:05 am ET

Rob Paul needs to be a democrat... lol.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:05 am ET

You're jsut pissed cause i'm not lighting up a big fat doobie with my daughter like you are.

Here honey, toke up and be a waste of human sperm like dear old don.


don   March 28th, 2009 2:05 am ET

and yeah james you need to chill out...and be open to change.....i mean we have to cange our ways of thinking to get out of this economic slump. i respect your opinions...i just would give u more credit when your relaxed lol 😉


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:07 am ET

-She’s not an it don you useless tit, she’s allittle girl and she’s beautiful and I’ll thank you to keep your false sense of concern and your pot hands away from her.

Was that directed at me James, or someone else?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:07 am ET

gee don... that's great cause I really need your approval


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:07 am ET

It was directed at don


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:08 am ET

Industrial Hemp is currently legal to grow in more than 30 countries including Canada, Germany, England, France, Spain, Australia, New Zealand, the Russian Federation, China, Hungary and Romania. Not the US, however.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:08 am ET

oh, I didn't see Don's comment... nvm:-/


Helene   March 28th, 2009 2:10 am ET

Actually, James, the points I have made are my own... it's just that great minds think alike.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:10 am ET

In other words Christopher Cummings, if my daughter, forbid, ever decided to get stoned behind my back with her friends, as it stands now, she’d probably get her weed from somebody who can give her the other harder stuff, or introduce her to someone who can.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:11 am ET

there are an aweful lot of great minds these days.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:12 am ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 2:10 am ET

Actually, James, the points I have made are my own… it’s just that great minds think alike.

Flattering yourself again I see. Your points, as with theirs, are still false.


kevin   March 28th, 2009 2:13 am ET

Everyone talks about taxing, which is good, but, think of the money saved not fighting the "weed" portion of the drug war. It will give Mexico a cash crop they so desperately need and remove a main component from the drug cartel. Legalizing will open the way for industrial hemp, a very green and renewable resource. Legalizing is a no brainer... come on Obama, don't get shy on this issue!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:14 am ET

The problem, Helene and Illegalsmile, is that your'e using good points to make a bad arguement.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:16 am ET

The cost to put a single drug user in jail is about $450,000, composed of the following:

The cost for arrest and conviction is about $150,000.

The cost for an additional prison bed is about $50,000 to $150,000, depending upon the jurisdiction.

It costs about $30,000 per year to house a prisoner. With an average sentence of 5 years, that adds up to another $150,000.

The same $450,000 can provide treatment or education for about 200 people. In addition, putting a person in prison produces about fifteen dollars in related welfare costs, for every dollar spent on incarceration. Every dollar spent on treatment and education saves about five dollars in related welfare costs.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:16 am ET

I think the reason oyu're all getting so uppity abotu all fo thsi si because you knwo the reason that the drug cartels are so strong is because you enable them with your habit.

Think of the children. Won't somebody think of the children? 😉


Helene   March 28th, 2009 2:16 am ET

Obviously, you have a difficult time comprehending.... I said great minds think alike... I was complementing most everyone who has commented this evening.

...but then again... throwing pearls to swine is such a waste of time.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:17 am ET

Hey... here's a thought... instead of legalizing your habit and enabling the cartels... why dont' you all boycott your own habit 😀


don   March 28th, 2009 2:17 am ET

i would much rather have a high parent, than a parent who indulges in alcohol and fills the home with cigarette smoke....ive dealt with plenty of alcohol issues within my family as has every family...And even if sombody has drank 30 years than they quit, they will most likely not regain those braincells they had lost over the years....the general population who indulges in alcohol tends to be short fused. I mean if you dissagree with a drunk person they tend to start a fight. that is why it is such a pointless drug.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:19 am ET

Why yes Illegalsmile and guess what quitting oyur habit will do? that's right; not land your ass in jail!!!! Holy cow! by Jove I've got it! 😉


don   March 28th, 2009 2:19 am ET

i will boycott my habit when you can see two sides to a topic hahaha


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:21 am ET

I think it should be up to individual states so that people can decide for themselves what kind of environment they want to be in.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:21 am ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 2:16 am ET

Obviously, you have a difficult time comprehending…. I said great minds think alike… I was complementing most everyone who has commented this evening.

James... birds of a feather flock together and all I've seen is a bunch of dodos

…but then again… throwing pearls to swine is such a waste of time.

If by pearls you mean plastic baubles you can get in a quarter machine at your local thrifty... sure. But then, i wouldnt' expect a pothead to be able to tell the difference anyways.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:22 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 2:19 am ET

i will boycott my habit when you can see two sides to a topic hahaha

I've already seen both sides of the topic. You're jsut too dense to realize it ha ha ha 😉


don   March 28th, 2009 2:23 am ET

i think you have been the densist guy on this whole blog ask anybody here im shurre they would agree with me....


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:23 am ET

My Dads an alcoholic and I'd rather see him stoned and I know he would if it were legal, however, what if he decided to do both? That would piss me off.


don   March 28th, 2009 2:24 am ET

i mean come on you thing pot and hemp come from different plants haaha


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:24 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 2:17 am ET

i would much rather have a high parent, than a parent who indulges in alcohol and fills the home with cigarette smoke….

Oh, good for you. I personally dont' drink or smoke or get high any longer. How was your arguement supposed to work again?

ive dealt with plenty of alcohol issues within my family as has every family…And even if sombody has drank 30 years than they quit, they will most likely not regain those brain cells they had lost over the years….the general population who indulges in alcohol tends to be short fused. I mean if you dissagree with a drunk person they tend to start a fight. that is why it is such a pointless drug.

Oh, I'm sorry for mistaking you for a pothead... had I known oyu were just talking out your butt I wouldn't have said that, because obviously you don't know any potheads or anyone who smokes pot for that matter because you are clearly talking out your butt.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:25 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 2:23 am ET

i think you have been the densist guy on this whole blog ask anybody here im shurre they would agree with me….

Really?! 😀 you mean all your dope smoking friends ar going to back you up? What a suprise! 😉


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:27 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 2:24 am ET

i mean come on you thing pot and hemp come from different plants haaha

No i don't never said that never implied that and you can show no place or time where I said anythign even remotely close to that. the hemp ropes are woven from teh stalk of the marijuana plant you dolt.


don   March 28th, 2009 2:28 am ET

hey james in case you forgot this blog is about our country not you! maybe you dont do any drugs but the majority of parents in this country do resulting in problems across the board...i am happy that you do not indulge in any personally, and you should be pround of that but i want to remind you that this is a wide topic covering everybody, and you should take our whole country into account


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:29 am ET

I am taking our whole country into account... even the no accounts


Linda   March 28th, 2009 2:30 am ET

I would like to further comment that the FULL legalization should be applied to the entire NATION.

There is no reason for each state to have to spend money on a state by state vote about this.

One big benefit to the economy would be that the tax payers would no longer be financially paying to feed, clothe, and house a huge number of people (jailed).

This is not a drug, it is a plant, and people who think they cannot use self discipline with it should make their own decision to stay away from it (just like some people do with potato chips, or whatever),.

I do not smoke marijuana due to the unnerving illegal status of it, however I believe that I should have the freedom to do so, in a self disciplined manner, if I so choose.

As I posted before, I am an Evangelical right wing Christian, and I am not the only Evangelical right wing Christian who believes that the time has come for FULL Legalization.

We need to unite about this issue, (regardless of whether we disagree on other issues), if we can unite about this, there will be an overwhelming majority!!

Although I appreciate CNN talking about this, having 2 people against legalization, and 1 person in favor of medical only legalization, is hardly a debate which actually represents the views of citizens.

We should not allow this to go the direction of Medical Legalization only, it is ridiculous that we should need to come up with, and spend money on, a medical condition in order to have freedom.

There are a lot of Evangelical Christians in various leadership positions across the country who are loudly opposed to legalization.

They do not represent all Christians, there are many who believe as I do, please remember that. United we Stand, Divided we Fail.

We should be able to grow as much as we want, possess as much as we want, and buy as much as we want, because we are financially responsible and may want to purchase in bulk to save money, just as with any other product.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 2:30 am ET

James: I mean pearls of wisdom... what is a bauble?

I bet you are abusive to the people in your life, like you have been to the people in this blog... I'm done responding to your non-sense.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:31 am ET

Once again i am misconstrued... I am not attacking you until or unless oyu attack me. I am punching tank sized holes in your arguements and it's pissing you people off.


don   March 28th, 2009 2:32 am ET

and james idiot is spelled like that


don   March 28th, 2009 2:33 am ET

i figured id help you out for the next time you spell it


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:34 am ET

I am surprised to here an evangelical in favor of mj legalization:-)


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:34 am ET

According to the IOM, observable cannabis withdrawal symptoms are rare and have only been identified under unique patient settings. These remain limited to adolescents in treatment facilities for substance abuse problems, and in a research setting where subjects were given marijuana or THC daily. Compared with the profound physical syndrome of alcohol or heroin withdrawal, marijuana-related withdrawal symptoms are mild and subtle. Symptoms may include restlessness, irritability, mild agitation and sleep disruption. However, for the overwhelming majority of marijuana smokers, these symptoms are not severe enough to re-initiate their use of cannabis.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:35 am ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 2:30 am ET

James: I meant pearls of wisdom… what is a bauble?
James... I know exactly what you meant. Your pearls are actually baubles, shiney objects, Rhinestones... sure they look attractive from a distance, but get up close and really examine them and you find out they're nearly worthless.

I bet you are abusive to the people in your life, like you have been to the people in this blog… I’m done responding to your non-sense.

I'll take that bet you insipid little toady. Adn what you're done doing is tryign to argue with just plain good sense. Your arguements are false, your points are slanted and often blatantly self serving and egotistical, and your ad hominem attacks show you to be like any other pothead out there.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:35 am ET

Then again, there's Ron Paul, is he evangelical?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:36 am ET

gee thansk don. I'm sure my typos are extremely important to you.


don   March 28th, 2009 2:36 am ET

keep your tank sized weak arguments coming lol


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:37 am ET

Marijuana is already the third most popular recreational drug in America, despite harsh laws against its use. Millions of Americans smoke it responsibly. Our public policies should reflect this reality, not deny it.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:38 am ET

LOL, I think Rob Paul is psycho..lol, he's nuts and pro mj.


don   March 28th, 2009 2:38 am ET

yeah sry james i get off on your anger 😉 you make my day each day man...


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:39 am ET

keep your tank sized weak arguments coming lol

🙂 HA HA


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:40 am ET

Just because something is popular doesn't make it right and sometimes what isn't so popular s right.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:41 am ET

What's the forth most popular recreactional drug that's used in America?


don   March 28th, 2009 2:42 am ET

out with the old in with the (more practical) new


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:43 am ET

and when I thin drugs, I think chemicals and not plants.


Thomas   March 28th, 2009 2:43 am ET

Hard to tax something I can grow myself.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:43 am ET

The negative consequences primarily associated with marijuana - such as an arrest or jail time - are the result of the criminal prohibition of cannabis, not the use of marijuana itself.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:45 am ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 2:30 am ET

I would like to further comment that the FULL legalization should be applied to the entire NATION. There is no reason for each state to have to spend money on a state by state vote about this.

Just dont' legalize it at all and put that money into rehabilitation centerss instead.

One big benefit to the economy would be that the tax payers would no longer be financially paying to feed, clothe, and house a huge number of people (jailed).

Oh, that's alright cause they aren't really doing it now according to most republicans, jsut the rich and well to do. But youre' right, having all these useless whankers out on the street is much better.

This is not a drug, it is a plant, and people who think they cannot use self discipline with it should make their own decision to stay away from it (just like some people do with potato chips, or whatever).

the plant IS the drug when inhaled or eaten. Nuff said.

I do not smoke marijuana due to the unnerving illegal status of it, however I believe that I should have the freedom to do so, in a self disciplined manner, if I so choose.

How noble of you. Fighting for the freedoms of others an all. Nevemind teh detriments fo doing so... as long as oyu have the choice... you know... like smoking and drinking.

As I posted before, I am an Evangelical right wing Christian, and I am not the only Evangelical right wing Christian who believes that the time has come for FULL Legalization.

And you're also most likely not the only right wing evangelical christian who believes the war in Iraq was justified.

We need to unite about this issue, (regardless of whether we disagree on other issues), if we can unite about this, there will be an overwhelming majority!!

What's our incentive?

Although I appreciate CNN talking about this, having 2 people against legalization, and 1 person in favor of medical only legalization, is hardly a debate which actually represents the views of citizens.

Yes. let's get the potheads in there to really screw it all up. Wont' that be entertaining?

We should not allow this to go the direction of Medical Legalization only, it is ridiculous that we should need to come up with, and spend money on, a medical condition in order to have freedom.

Huzzah... and abortion too lets not forget about the right to choose an abortion over adoption or abstaning and such. Seriously restricting abortions to a medicla need is sooooo last decade. 😉

There are a lot of Evangelical Christians in various leadership positions across the country who are loudly opposed to legalization. They do not represent all Christians, there are many who believe as I do, please remember that. United we Stand, Divided we Fail.

Again... how noble of you.

We should be able to grow as much as we want, possess as much as we want, and buy as much as we want, because we are financially responsible and may want to purchase in bulk to save money, just as with any other product.

YES! Instead of Costco we should have PotCo! Ooo and the child sex trade in bulk would be a wonderful next step! 😉

Riiiiiight


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:46 am ET

A majority of the American public opposes sending marijuana smokers to jail, and 3 out of 4 support the medical use of marijuana.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 2:46 am ET

Reed, I agree with you about the Arizona law, it would be a start in the right direction!!

Christopher, Thanks for noticing that there are Christians who support full legalization.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:47 am ET

They say weed makes you stupid, since when is being stupid a crime...lol. Nobody will ever be able to convince me that mj is harmful, it might be to your lungs if you smoke, but you don't have to smoke it, you can cook with it:-)


don   March 28th, 2009 2:48 am ET

“Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.”
-Abraham Lincoln


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:48 am ET

Sexual abuse is already the third most popular recreational past time in America, despite harsh laws against its use. Millions of Americans who comitt such acts use a condom and use it responsibly. Our public policies should reflect this reality, not deny it.

BWAH HA HA HA HA... *Wipes tears from eyes*

weak arguemtns... ha ha...

ha

your'e silly


don   March 28th, 2009 2:49 am ET

james i think your the only one interesting in legalizing the child sex trade here am i right?


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:50 am ET

When you say sexual abuse are you talking about promiscuity or the special victims unit kind of sexual abuse??


don   March 28th, 2009 2:51 am ET

this blog is not filled right now because people interested in the child sex trade it is about marijuana do you see the title....you would be the only one here if this was the case


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:51 am ET

Sexual abuse is a violent crime


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:51 am ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 2:46 am ET

A majority of the American public opposes sending marijuana smokers to jail,

And I'm actually one of them. they need to get counseling in a controled and locked down environment... hey... like a large buildign with walls and restrictions so they can more easily break themselves of the habit... but, oh wait... that's right... jail is no longer viewed as rehabilitation but rather incarceration, and punishment which leads to incubation.

and 3 out of 4 support the medical use of marijuana.

3 out of 4 what? What's wrong with restricting the use fo marijuana to help in the medical field? I'm certainly nto against it. that doesn't mean that legalizing it for recreational use is appropriate.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:51 am ET

With a victim


Helene   March 28th, 2009 2:52 am ET

Illegalsmile... thanx for all those stats. The information you've shared is significant ...and astounding. Thanx, again, for the facts!


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:52 am ET

An Agressor


don   March 28th, 2009 2:52 am ET

hey james its hard being the lone wolf aint it hahaha


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:52 am ET

Oh, but hey, if all of oyur friends tell you you shoudl jump out of a plain, but a paratrooper says you shoudl strap on a parachuite first you're jsut goign to ignore the paratrooper right? Cause your one of those cool edgy rebels everyone wants to be like... those crazy kids.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:52 am ET

Actually Don I believe he was making a comparison and I was asking for a little clarification.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:53 am ET

And suffering


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:53 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 2:49 am ET

james i think your the only one interesting in legalizing the child sex trade here am i right?

Not at all, btu you potheads shouldnt' ahve a problem with it since you both use the same arguements


Linda   March 28th, 2009 2:53 am ET

Don, I suspect that you are right.

James has continually combined sexually abusing children with his use of marijuana in his posts.

Perhaps he is a child sex abuser, who has blamed it on marijuana.

He obviously has some connection to child sex abuse that the rest of us do not have.


Reed   March 28th, 2009 2:53 am ET

James,

Cartels don't control or make money from domestic production. Do you think it's all imported?

if you see a variety someday named "spell-check", you'll know it was named in your honor.

Let's not advocate it for everyone, just those that can partake of it responsibly, and still behave respectably.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:55 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 2:51 am ET

this blog is not filled right now because people interested in the child sex trade it is about marijuana do you see the title….you would be the only one here if this was the case

Again, i dont' see why not. You use the same justifications.

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 2:51 am ET

Sexual abuse is a violent crime

As are the crimes associated with marijuana use.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:56 am ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 2:51 am ET

With a victim

the malady of the ignorant is that they are ignorant of their own ignorance... victim.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 2:56 am ET

Umm, possession? lol


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:56 am ET

Helene, You are quite welcome. Yes, facts are nice aren't they? The really are the only thing we should pay attention to. Get it? 🙂


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:57 am ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 2:52 am ET

Illegalsmile… thanx for all those stats. The information you’ve shared is significant …and astounding. Thanx, again, for the facts!

Illegal smiel hasn't posted facts, just slanted data used to attempt to make a counter arguement.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:58 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 2:52 am ET

hey james its hard being the lone wolf aint it hahaha

As someone with an IQ of 124 I'm used to it


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:01 am ET

YOu know if it becomes legal they might have to have laws about where it can be smoked or you're gonna see people on your neighborhood street corners smoking out of bongs, it'll be like several town meetings on every corner...lol


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:02 am ET

Marijuana prohibition needlessly destroys the lives and careers of literally hundreds of thousands of good, hard-working, productive citizens each year in this country. More than 700,000 Americans were arrested on marijuana charges last year, and more than 5 million Americans have been arrested for marijuana offenses in the past decade. Almost 90 percent of these arrests are for simple possession, not trafficking or sale. This is a misapplication of the criminal sanction that invites government into areas of our private lives that are inappropriate and wastes valuable law enforcement resources that should be focused on serious and violent crime.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 3:03 am ET

Initially there would be public displays of joy and celebration, however eventually people will settle into the comforts of their own homes.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:03 am ET

are you copying and pasting??


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:04 am ET

Hey Helene, Have you joined Americans for Safe Access yet?


Helene   March 28th, 2009 3:04 am ET

Linda... I agree with you. He is obsessed with that topic, isn't he? And...putting people down... a classic symptom of a weak ego.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:04 am ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 2:53 am ET

Don, I suspect that you are right. James has continually combined sexually abusing children with his use of marijuana in his posts.

No Linda, I have consistantly shown how your arguemetns for engagin in your illegal behavior are similar if not dead to rights exactly the same. I have continually combined sexually abusing children with your use of marijuana in my posts.

Perhaps he is a child sex abuser, who has blamed it on marijuana.

Not at all fuzzy lumpkins. And I dont' blame child sexual abuse on marijuana use although the instances are higher, though less reported. I only state the fact that the excuses made by child molesters have been mirrored here by you all, and rather than show how that isn't true you attempt to use my arguements as an attack against me. Pity really.

He obviously has some connection to child sex abuse that the rest of us do not have.

Actually that may be true. I could tell you what my older stepbrothers schlong tasted liek at age six... he was ten and not a pot smoker. the vast majority of the child sex abusers incarcerated now are oblivious and often make the excuse that it doesnt' REALLY hurt the child, btu that society makes it seem dirty. gettign it now? Or do I need to be a little more graphic?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:06 am ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 2:56 am ET

Helene, You are quite welcome. Yes, facts are nice aren’t they? The really are the only thing we should pay attention to. Get it?

Well, will wonders never cease... it would certainly a late start for oyu, but it would be nice to see facts from you for once that didn't start from a biased position. Get it? 😀 😆 😛 😆


Helene   March 28th, 2009 3:06 am ET

And... Don... you were the first to mention it... wanted you to know, I was thinking the same thing. Why does James keep talking about sex with kids?


don   March 28th, 2009 3:07 am ET

James ... i would respect you and beleive you...actually all of us would beleive what you beleive...but we are here for a reason, we know the capabilities, the benefits, we have lived in a world shunned upon marijuana and we reap it benefits. its benefits ranging all across the board with medicine, energy, textiles...not to mention proper values aswell as spirituality....is it possible to have a conversation about anything with a drunk person? let alone a conversation about a topic as complex as life or spirituality? and if you did converse with them would they remember lol


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:07 am ET

wow James, you are scorned and you said you know what ur bros schlong taste like in a forum about ending prohibition... yikes.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 3:08 am ET

Illegalsmile: ...got it.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:09 am ET

Reed March 28th, 2009 2:53 am ET

James,

Cartels don’t control or make money from domestic production. Do you think it’s all imported?

Not at all, it is imported and homegrown. Both instancfes are illegal.

if you see a variety someday named “spell-check”, you’ll know it was named in your honor.

Aawww shucks... i care... really i do... cause oyu are all just so important to me that I'm goign to bother spell checking for your benefit when my point gets across just as nicely this way

Let’s not advocate it for everyone, just those that can partake of it responsibly, and still behave respectably.

No such thing, But it's nice to dream I guess.


Reed   March 28th, 2009 3:09 am ET

Where's the moderator? !!!


don   March 28th, 2009 3:09 am ET

our nation has been drunk/ asleep at the wheel for long enough, its about time we can throw away the old outdated ways of doing things, for ones that will carry us into the future.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:10 am ET

lol Reed.


don   March 28th, 2009 3:11 am ET

ewww ewwww eewwww i dont wanna know what he tastes


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:12 am ET

Illegalsmile, Marijuana needlessly destroys the lives and careers of literally hundreds of thousands of good, hard-working, productive citizens each year in this country. More than 700,000 Americans were arrested on marijuana charges last year, and more than 5 million Americans have been arrested for marijuana offenses in the past decade. Almost 90 percent of these arrests are for simple possession, not trafficking or sale. This is a proper application of the criminal sanction that invites government into areas of our private lives that are inappropriate and utilizes valuable law enforcement resources that should be focused on serious and violent crime. As marijuana use IS a serious and violent criem even if ti is violence to self.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:12 am ET

they'll probably make mj some kind of renewable energy source 🙂


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:13 am ET

"The Wire," the critically acclaimed HBO series that brought the realpolitik of Baltimore's war on drugs to the small screen, made it clear what they thought of the Reagan approach: "What once began, perhaps, as a battle against dangerous substances, long ago transformed itself into a venal war on our underclass. Since declaring war on drugs nearly 40 years ago, we've been demonizing our most desperate citizens, isolating and incarcerating them and otherwise denying them a role in the American collective. All to no purpose. The prison population doubles and doubles again; the drugs remain."


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:13 am ET

LOL DON!!!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:14 am ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 3:04 am ET

Linda… I agree with you. He is obsessed with that topic, isn’t he? And…putting people down… a classic symptom of a weak ego.

gee thansk for the psycho analysis pothead. you'll wow em at yale.

and what I am doign is exhibiting a classic example of an ego strong enough to deal with weak minded peopel liek yourself who engage in ad hominem attacks rather than argueing the topic at hand. So far somethign you've been a complete failure at.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:15 am ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 3:06 am ET

And… Don… you were the first to mention it… wanted you to know, I was thinking the same thing. Why does James keep talking about sex with kids?

To repeat, because you idiots are using the same justifications for your actions that child molesters do for theirs.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:16 am ET

I would love to see James argue drunk, or high.. lol.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 3:16 am ET

James, my heart goes out to you for the misery you experienced as a defenseless child, honestly it does.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

None of us are trying to endorse forcing a child into sex, here.

If you were tempted to force a child to have sex when you smoked marijuana, then that is your isolated experience.

People who would not force sex on a child WITHOUT marijuana, would not force sex on a child WITH marijuana.

Again, I am sorry to hear what you have been through, it must have been terribly frightening for you at the time.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:18 am ET

VERY VERY GOOD ARGUEMENT LINDA!!


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:20 am ET

In 2006, 5.0 percent of 12th graders reported daily use of marijuana,
unchanged from the previous year. This compares with 6.0% in 1999
and 4.9% in 1996. Also in 2006, 25.4% of twelfth graders reported
having had 5 or more drinks in a row in the last two weeks, compared
with 27.1% the previous year. This compares with 30.8% in 1999 and
30.2% in 1996. And finally in 2006, 5.9% of twelfth graders reported
smoking 1/2 pack or more of cigarettes daily, compared with 6.9% in
2005. This compares with 13.2% in 1999 and 13.0% in 1996.
Source: Johnston, L. D., P.M. O’Malley, J.G. Bachman &J.E. Schulenberg, Monitoring the Future National Results on Adolescent Drug Use: Overview of Key Findings 2006, (Washington, DC: NIDA, April 2007), Table 4, p. 59.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:20 am ET

or i mean good pointe 🙂


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:21 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 3:07 am ET

James … i would respect you and beleive you…actually all of us would beleive what you beleive…

No oyu wouldn't. You cna lie to me all you want I'll just call you on it, btu dont' lie to yourself.

but we are here for a reason, we know the capabilities, the benefits, we have lived in a world shunned upon marijuana and we reap it benefits. its benefits ranging all across the board with medicine, energy, textiles…

Nobody's argueing against the limited benefits, just the legalization of it for recreational purposes.

not to mention proper values as well as spirituality….

Ya, right, you attempting to link marijuana use to spirituality is like an alcoholic linking hsi nightcap to medicinal purposes. What a joke.

is it possible to have a conversation about anything with a drunk person?

You tell me.

let alone a conversation about a topic as complex as life or spirituality?

There is no complexity to either life or spirituality. You'd know that if oyu weren't stoned all the time.

and if you did converse with them would they remember lol

Ah memory... missing oyurs yet pot head?


Delpart   March 28th, 2009 3:22 am ET

The linked news source points out that some people obviously didn’t bother to use the site the White House placed:

"Gibbs suggested that marijuana advocates may have had a hand in stacking the deck by mobilizing supporters to send in questions and to go online and vote repeatedly for them."

You could only vote once, either up or down, for a question. Just like Digg ...

So regardless of whether or not a group did push more people to vote up a topic, at least they participated. That was the point? Right? Just like any other townhall meeting. You can show up with your supporters or you can stay home and complain “those people overwhelmed the event and ruined it.”

We also appear to have many people who are counting the entire trade to be 100% cartel. This is definitely not factual. According to the DEA, the amount of production from Canada and other domestic "mom and pop" operations accounts for up to 35% of the current US consumption. Not everyone is supporting "the cartels" who chooses to utilize cannabis in the US. That being said, the other 65% is the staple income source for the cartels to be able to push more dangerous things into the US.

Like many have stated, its bad economics to keep up the current model we are using. Prohibition has done more harm than good and exposed people to some really horrific things that should never have occurred. Perhaps when it gets to where we have 1 in 15 vs 1 in 30 in prison is what it will take to get the compassion flowing from the rest of the public.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:22 am ET

“Overall, it is important to note that supply reduction—that is, reducing
the availability of drugs — does not appear to have played as major a
role as many had assumed in three of the most important downturns in
illicit drug use that have occurred to date, namely, those for marijuana,
cocaine, and ecstasy.”
Source: Johnston, L. D., O’Malley, P. M., Bachman, J. G., &Schulenberg, J. E., Monitoring the Future national survey results on drug use, 1975-2005: Volume I, Secondary school students (NIH PublicationNo. 06-5883) (Bethesda,MD:National Institute on Drug Abuse),August 2006, p. 407.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:23 am ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 3:13 am ET

“The Wire,” the critically acclaimed HBO series that brought the realpolitik of Baltimore’s war on drugs to the small screen, made it clear what they thought of the Reagan approach: “What once began, perhaps, as a battle against dangerous substances, long ago transformed itself into a venal war on our underclass. Since declaring war on drugs nearly 40 years ago, we’ve been demonizing our most desperate citizens, isolating and incarcerating them and otherwise denying them a role in the American collective. All to no purpose. The prison population doubles and doubles again; the drugs remain.”

Which is an excellent arguement for fighting systematic racism and xenaphobia, not not for leaglizing marijuana for recreational use.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 3:24 am ET

Illegalsmile: Americans for Safe Access? Never heard of it. Guess I'll google it.... thanx, once again!!!!!!


Linda   March 28th, 2009 3:26 am ET

Yes, I'm wondering where the Moderator is, too!! 🙂


don   March 28th, 2009 3:27 am ET

yeah james your a good dude. we pot smokers just havent had much time to be heard like ever...so yeah we are prolly acting like jerks cause we are sore on the fact at times. i just know marijuana helped me find myself and realize the things i loved deep down...but it may have been maturing or anything but i am so very thankful for the fact of what came about i mean i see everybody my age(20) just drinking and treating their bodies like crap and i just really think our younger crowd is lacking in values....its just sad seeing people caare about things that dont matter like money looks position of your job....i think we should see eachother for the wonderful species we are and make the best of our time here it is not worth living for money, it will only cause depression....and james we are just trying to make our case while we can =)


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:28 am ET

I really lke the show weeds 🙂


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:28 am ET

Actually it's a piss poor arguement linda... here allow me to show oyu your flaws...

Linda March 28th, 2009 3:16 am ET

James, my heart goes out to you for the misery you experienced as a defenseless child, honestly it does.

And I'm sure your concern is dripping with sincerety really.

But that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject at hand.

Your right,. my personal experience with being molested has nothign to do with thearguement at hand, it's really the excuses that molesters use that resonates with this topic, arguements liek society makes it bad, and that's why they hide it... if peopel would jsut let them screw and molest anyoen they wanted they wouldnt' have to use violence to get it...

None of us are trying to endorse forcing a child into sex, here.

You might as well be. Either way, children are gettign screwed for your lack of insight and understanding.

If you were tempted to force a child to have sex when you smoked marijuana, then that is your isolated experience.

Again, you miss the poitn. I never said or even implied that marijuana makes people molest children only that the excuses they uise are nearly identical, as they are. But then... all that pot smoke i'm sure has taken the comprehension and logic centers out of oyur brain.

People who would not force sex on a child WITHOUT marijuana, would not force sex on a child WITH marijuana.

Never made that arguement and I challenge you to find where I did.

Again, I am sorry to hear what you have been through, it must have been terribly frightening for you at the time.

Hell it's pretty frickin scarey now. Stop convoluting the subject with false concern and sympathy. There's nothign worse than false pity.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:30 am ET

I think mj should be legal.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:30 am ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 3:20 am ET

In 2006, 5.0 percent of 12th graders reported daily use of marijuana,
unchanged from the previous year. This compares with 6.0% in 1999
and 4.9% in 1996. Also in 2006, 25.4% of twelfth graders reported
having had 5 or more drinks in a row in the last two weeks, compared
with 27.1% the previous year. This compares with 30.8% in 1999 and
30.2% in 1996. And finally in 2006, 5.9% of twelfth graders reported
smoking 1/2 pack or more of cigarettes daily, compared with 6.9% in
2005. This compares with 13.2% in 1999 and 13.0% in 1996.
Source: Johnston, L. D., P.M. O’Malley, J.G. Bachman &J.E. Schulenberg, Monitoring the Future National Results on Adolescent Drug Use: Overview of Key Findings 2006, (Washington, DC: NIDA, April 2007), Table 4, p. 59.

Hey ya,,, why not? all the cool kids are molesting the handicapped wheelchair bound epileptic... why not? So many people are doing it so it must be a good thing! Why fight it? 😉 😛


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:34 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 3:27 am ET

yeah james your a good dude.

Agian... I'm sure you're like tooootally sincere. really.

we pot smokers just havent had much time to be heard like ever…so yeah we are prolly acting like jerks cause we are sore on the fact at times. i just know marijuana helped me find myself and realize the things i loved deep down…but it may have been maturing or anything but i am so very thankful for the fact of what came about i mean i see everybody my age(20) just drinking and treating their bodies like crap and i just really think our younger crowd is lacking in values….its just sad seeing people caare about things that dont matter like money looks position of your job….i think we should see each other for the wonderful species we are and make the best of our time here it is not worth living for money, it will only cause depression….and james we are just trying to make our case while we can =)

Wow Guru... i feel you bro. Let me ask you something... does that line get you laid?


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:34 am ET

-Hey ya,,, why not? all the cool kids are molesting the handicapped wheelchair bound epileptic… why not? So many people are doing it so it must be a good thing! Why fight it?

That's people dong stuff to other people, not the same as willingly doing something to yourself spite the consequences.


don   March 28th, 2009 3:35 am ET

yeah we mines well funnel alcohol down our throats too...oh yeah we already do...lol The new huge fear on the college campus....hazing with pot....yeah i could see this new pot hazing thing being the new young killer....it will probably kill more than teen drunk driving we can only hope


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:35 am ET

As someone with an IQ of 124:

Nobody’s argueing against the limited benefits, just the legalization of it for recreational purposes.

As marijuana use IS a serious and violent criem even if ti is violence to self.

Not at all fuzzy lumpkins

I could tell you what my older stepbrothers schlong tasted liek at age six… he was ten and not a pot smoker. the vast majority of the child sex abusers incarcerated now are oblivious and often make the excuse that it doesnt’ REALLY hurt the child, btu that society makes it seem dirty. gettign it now? Or do I need to be a little more graphic?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:36 am ET

Dear Larry and moderators who will read this in the mronign... please dont' erase what I've written. it's important that people understand a pothead will do, the lengths they will go to to malign anyone who goes agaisnt their "spirituality", including, btu not limited to, broaching a subjkect like a specific persons abuse as a child as a way to try to invoke their shame, in an attempt to make them less aware of the facts.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:37 am ET

umm lol y did we repost his xp???


Reed   March 28th, 2009 3:37 am ET

Marijuana use is not violent, and never has been. It is a peaceful, even spiritual, experience. A sacrament of nature. One that you can grow yourself. My college experience showed me that people from all over the world will get together to share marijuana peacefully, listen to music, and lots of other activities that are non-violent. Sure, I had some friends that drank alcohol respectably, without problems. However, I saw, just as I did when I was younger, that alcohol can sometimes be a catalyst for violence, and also even more subtly otherwise ruin lives, yet it is legal. Although it can be very dangerous, many use it responsibly.

This violence that you are talking about, related to drugs, James, is the reality of prohibition, just like alcohol prohibition in the 1930s generated violent gangs (with religious affiliations, I'm sorry to say) in Chicago, that fought to control that "drug" manufacturing and trade. We don't need that in America (the whole of North America). Hard drug turf/profit wars do generate some violence, even deaths, in the cities, and out in the country, and this is largely learned behavior. Sometimes people get greedy in an over-regulated market.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:38 am ET

can we legalize peyote next? I'm not indian and I don't think it's fair that it's legal for them and not me :-/


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:38 am ET

Thanks for reposting what I've written Illegalsmile. I appreciate it... now go back and repost why I responded the way I did.

Idiot.


don   March 28th, 2009 3:39 am ET

Larry

Why do we have to deal with this?


Linda   March 28th, 2009 3:40 am ET

James, it is obvious that child abuse, and the arguments you say they use, are big in your life.

So big, that you are unwilling to limit yourself to discussing the topic at hand.

Many people are also choosing to buy food that has not been sprayed with bug killing spray.

Following your train of thought, this type of food should be illegal because many people think it's a good idea.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:41 am ET

who's larry?


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:41 am ET

Yikes


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:42 am ET

:-p


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:44 am ET

Reed March 28th, 2009 3:37 am ET

Marijuana use is not violent, and never has been.

Yes, it is, and always will be.

It is a peaceful, even spiritual, experience. A sacrament of nature. One that you can grow yourself.

You can also grow the poppy and the cocoa plant used for making heroine and cocaine. Go right ahead dude, get all spiritual with your bad self.

My college experience showed me that people from all over the world will get together to share marijuana peacefully, listen to music, and lots of other activities that are non-violent.

Oh ya, I remember those days... the drum circles, the dancing, the unprotected sex, the date rape... yup... good rtimes dude... good times.

Sure, I had some friends that drank alcohol respectably, without problems. However, I saw, just as I did when I was younger, that alcohol can sometimes be a catalyst for violence, and also even more subtly otherwise ruin lives, yet it is legal. Although it can be very dangerous, many use it responsibly.

And Marijuana is no different.

This violence that you are talking about, related to drugs, James, is the reality of prohibition, just like alcohol prohibition in the 1930s generated violent gangs (with religious affiliations, I’m sorry to say) in Chicago, that fought to control that “drug” manufacturing and trade.

Nah, that's just part of it really, but a part based on the synthetic need for the drug. the false sense of symbiosis.

We don’t need that in America (the whole of North America). Hard drug turf/profit wars do generate some violence, even deaths, in the cities, and out in the country, and this is largely learned behavior. Sometimes people get greedy in an over-regulated market.

No Arguement there.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:44 am ET

wait Don who is you?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:44 am ET

Larry king or have you fogoten whose blog this is?


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:45 am ET

Not at all fuzzy lumpkins


Linda   March 28th, 2009 3:47 am ET

Reed, I am not at all offended by your comment of what was done by people with religious affiliations.

Many terrible things have been done in the name of religion.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 3:47 am ET

Linda: I agree with you. I feel sorry for what James had to go through as a child. His banter makes sense to me, now. It comes from a place of pain ...needing to be heard... needing to be the center of attention.... just need. He's needy guy.


don   March 28th, 2009 3:48 am ET

hey man just because it is legal it doesnt mean that you have to buy marijuana....just like you do not have to buy legal drugs as of now


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:48 am ET

Linda, it is a shame, a damned shame that child abusers, and the arguments they use, are not bigger in your life. You can relate so well to them.

Many people are also choosing to buy food that has not been sprayed with bug killing spray.

Which makes me wonder why so many people are acting so dumb as to want to legalize marijuana for recreational purposes.

Following your train of thought, this type of food should be illegal because many people think it’s a good idea.

Not at all... following my train of thought this type of food has nothing to do with my train of thoguht. My train of thought has to do with you people making excuses akin to those a child molester makes to justify their habit.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:48 am ET

As someone with an IQ of 124 I could tell you what my older stepbrothers schlong tasted liek at age six:
legalize the Marijuana trade that is just depraved, people who engage in sex with children are normal functioning members of society. Violence comes from the money in the illegal sales of the child sex not the child sex itself, if we were to take out a major part of criminal organizations profits by legalizing clean, safe, condomn and pill using child sex that is less harmful than some of the drugs doctors give to us everyday. It will not only stop one way of the criminals from obtaining illegal money but we can focus on more important criminal activities such as drug trafficing


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:49 am ET

i for one am greatful that James is here tonight cause without him, I wouldve stopped chatting a long time ago. 🙂


don   March 28th, 2009 3:49 am ET

sry james of course lol


R3 Apastolic   March 28th, 2009 3:50 am ET

yes it should be legalized..how many people has pot killed directly from THC overdose?? NONE, why? because it cant. alcohol and cigarettes kill more people daily than murder?? like really legalize it.


Melissa Adrian   March 28th, 2009 3:50 am ET

Yes, we should legalize marijuana and tax the hell out of it. It is truly no worse than alcohol to the human body.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 3:50 am ET

James is like Anne Coulter. 🙂


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:51 am ET

As someone with an IQ of 124:

Marijuana use is not violent, and never has been.

Yes, it is, and always will be.

Powerful!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:55 am ET

Helene and Linda: You're both cracked in the head. I feel sorry for you both.

What I type comes from a place of logic, reason, facts …needing to protect even those too stupid to realize they need protecting… needing to correct those who have the gaul to pretend agaisnt all logic and good sense that I even remotely desire to be the center of attention…. It's just my need to make sure none of oyu idiots ever becomes a teacher or a doctor or anyoen of any real relevance. What the heck, i guess on thsoe fronts I am a needy guy.

But once agian, thanks for the disingenuous sense fo concern... It means alot to know that I amright on the button about you goobers, and I was right all along.


Andrew   March 28th, 2009 3:56 am ET

Theres no harm in pot, alcohol is worse with alcohol poisoning but pot no harm YES it should be legalized!!!


don   March 28th, 2009 3:56 am ET

and james if somthing did happen to you the offender deserves to be throw in the slammer forever cause forcing anything like that on anybody is just dispicable and honestly it should be treating as a serious matter in todays culture when these things happen too ofter...human rights are pricless...and we do care about that kind of stuff here cause its dead serious a topic....


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:56 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 3:48 am ET

hey man just because it is legal it doesnt mean that you have to buy marijuana….just like you do not have to buy legal drugs as of now

Why sure dude, and I'm sure Joe Camel woudl agree with you... btu wait... id ont smoke... here let me get a twelve year old so he can tell you how cool joe camel looks in his bonmber jacket.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:57 am ET

As someone with an IQ of 124


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:58 am ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 3:48 am ET

As someone with an IQ of 124 I could tell you what my older stepbrothers schlong tasted liek at age six:
legalize the Marijuana trade that is just depraved, people who engage in sex with children are normal functioning members of society. Violence comes from the money in the illegal sales of the child sex not the child sex itself, if we were to take out a major part of criminal organizations profits by legalizing clean, safe, condomn and pill using child sex that is less harmful than some of the drugs doctors give to us everyday. It will not only stop one way of the criminals from obtaining illegal money but we can focus on more important criminal activities such as drug trafficing

Thansk for reposting the fact you completely missed the poinht that your own arguemetns thrown back at you are completley in line with the arguements a child molester makes Illegal smile. I used oyur own words against you and oyur'e too dense to see it. How brilliant. but please, keep reposting.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 3:59 am ET

Helene, I wholeheartedly agree with you, too. He is behaving as an injured animal would behave, in so much pain that he is lashing out at one who would attempt to show compassion toward him.


Reed   March 28th, 2009 3:59 am ET

Most us have learned to moderate usage, and obstain from usage, when appropriate. Societal environment, family guidance, role models and education, play a great part in raising each of us to be respectable citizens and members of our communities, or persons-at-large, if you will. I think James is just afraid of the extremes in society, and thats why he exagerates almost everything. We are peaceful, and spiritual. (Try some chamomille tea, James)


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:00 am ET

Yes dear... my IQ is 124... I'm sorry you dont' understand reading comprehension. Maybe if oyu would have attended english class instead fo skipping it to get High you'd be able to understand.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:01 am ET

Christopher Cummings March 28th, 2009 3:50 am ET

James is like Anne Coulter.

Bite your tongue man! 😉


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:02 am ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 3:51 am ET

As someone with an IQ of 124:

Marijuana use is not violent, and never has been.

Yes, it is, and always will be.

Powerful!

I know... I've jsut blown your mind huh. that was my light work. All I really need for you really. Poweful stuff, Hey I'm oyur antidrug. 😆


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 4:03 am ET

LOL, what? I like Anne Coulter.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:04 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 3:56 am ET

and james if somthing did happen to you the offender deserves to be throw in the slammer forever cause forcing anything like that on anybody is just dispicable and honestly it should be treating as a serious matter in todays culture when these things happen too ofter…human rights are pricless…and we do care about that kind of stuff here cause its dead serious a topic….

Suuuuure ya do 😉 I get it.


don   March 28th, 2009 4:05 am ET

james i think you have a hard time unerstanding logic ok here i will try to help you out.....cigarettes kill millions a year...ok a million is a BIG number marijuana has killed zero......ok u still with me james? i can slow don if you need me too?.......ok zero is smaller than millions so therefore marijuana is better for you... and if you still cannot get what we are all saying hear...the word killed is bad just remember than so you know why the numbers are involved in these description...i think i described it in a way you may get now just ask if you need me to explain any more of this complex problem ok ?


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 4:05 am ET

As someone with an IQ of 124 I could tell you what my older stepbrothers schlong tasted liek at age six.

No, I dont’ come with all the facts and figures because it confuses potheads, and the amount would clog up larry’s blog.

This isnt’ abotu morals you dolt, it’s about logic and reason and facts. And your comparing me to hitler just shows how weak your arguement is.


Alan   March 28th, 2009 4:06 am ET

Though I think marijuana should be decriminalized, I don't think it should be legalized and taxed. Look at how high the prices of cigarettes are now because of taxes. I think marijuana should still be sold person to person and not be "store bought. Decriminalization, not leagalization.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 4:06 am ET

how many times are we gonna repost his very disturbing xp??? lol


Reed   March 28th, 2009 4:07 am ET

Hi Linda,

I also have a religious affiliation, and my IQ is higher than 124!


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 4:08 am ET

i never got an iq test.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 4:09 am ET

im afraid it'll say im stupid..lol


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 4:09 am ET

As someone with an IQ of 124:

the malady of the ignorant is that they are ignorant of their own ignorance… victim.

Sexual abuse is already the third most popular recreational past time in America, despite harsh laws against its use. Millions of Americans who comitt such acts use a condom and use it responsibly. Our public policies should reflect this reality, not deny it


Helene   March 28th, 2009 4:11 am ET

Oh... and let me add: control freak.

James wants to control the World. Good luck with that.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 4:12 am ET

why use words like malady? why not just speak lamen english ans say the problem with ignorant people is that they don't know they're ignorant? I love big words.


don   March 28th, 2009 4:15 am ET

the bad thing about iq tests they have know what to judge innerconcious, emotional inteligence or any of the higher brow personal skills....they are more standardized that is where they fail


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 4:16 am ET

yea, i just dont trust iq test. maybe if I knew more about them.


Patricia Bell   March 28th, 2009 4:16 am ET

I am DEFINATELY not a drug user, BUT I agree that marajuana should be legalized. I have 6 children, and 5 have a form of muscular dystrophy. Pain medication does NOT help them but marajuana does help the terrible pain they are in. I think it is VERY unfair to keep his away from people that desperately need it!


R3 Apastolic   March 28th, 2009 4:19 am ET

god, james. You seem like you were abused as a child and are an expierenced pot head. Are you mad because your weed was laced with something and you had a rough time with it? guess no one will ever know because i doubt you, yourself most likely religious as hell, will never admit to having smoked a joint, the saddest thig is James, every kid whose in an alternative school, for being kicked outta a highschool or junior high, that IS a stoner, is waaay more intelligent than the regular child, do you know why? No you do not..no one does, marijuana makes everything more clear, and unlike alcohol youll remember everything from your expierience..like walking down the street, and invisioning a complete new street design..for me weed lets me explore my unconcious space in my brain. If youd just give it a break, you might find out..nothings wrong with it. what do you grow weed with? water air, limited light.. what do you grow tobaccow with? a buttload of bug spray, and dirty crap like that, for god's sake the filters have fiber glass, and menthols crystalize your lungs. Smoke weed outta a vaporizer and what do you know, nothing happens. if you can find me a statistic that includes weed alcohol and tobacco, and it cleary shows a number of kids have been sitting on there couch, smoke a couple bowls and just layed there died, then i'll give you a little trust in weed killing otherwise the only deaths you have on weed is car accidents where the person who was high was driving.. if not weed could do many many things for our youth.


Reed   March 28th, 2009 4:19 am ET

I agree with Christopher....So far he, agent 124, is only helping us lose sleep.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 4:19 am ET

LOL Cypress Hill


don   March 28th, 2009 4:20 am ET

james you will find pot smokers tend to care more about many things


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:20 am ET

Christopher Cummings March 28th, 2009 4:06 am ET

how many times are we gonna repost his very disturbing xp??? lol

As often as it takes to completely take what I've said out of context to the poitn of everyoen forgettign the originale reason I posted it.


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 4:21 am ET

yea i wouldve went to bed a long time ago:-)


Reed   March 28th, 2009 4:21 am ET

I think Linda and Helene are sincere.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 4:21 am ET

Yeah, Helene, To make sure we don't become teachers and doctors. Me, I'm way too busy trying to convince people that pot smokers are the same as child molesters and saying "yes they are" to all arguments.

Still, my IQ is high enough to *not* use the term fuzzy lumpkins because it makes me LOOK like a freak and a child molester. How about you?


Linda   March 28th, 2009 4:22 am ET

Hi Linda,

I also have a religious affiliation, and my IQ is higher than 124!

Hi Reed,

My IQ is higher than 124, too, and I had (obviously, mistakenly) thought I was the only one here with a religious affiliation.

I hastily concluded that your comment "(with religious affiliations, I’m sorry to say)", was for my benefit. 🙂


don   March 28th, 2009 4:24 am ET

we see your smarts smile it has not went un-noticed
im glad we have all had a chance to share the topic we admire most with new friends who have the same passions and goals no matter how futile they make us sound....facts own all....and the facts of this products have been skewed by society for far far to long it is a new day


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 4:24 am ET

I'm religulous


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 4:25 am ET

Agent 124 HAHA Like this! 🙂


Christopher Cummings   March 28th, 2009 4:28 am ET

well i am off to bed now. it was fun talking wth all of you tonight. hope you all take care, sweet dreams.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:28 am ET

WEhat's funny is, math wasn't my best subject and i still won that arguement. too funny.


don   March 28th, 2009 4:28 am ET

it is a new day...i new time for people to be heard....we have a president we actually knows how to use a computer, and with him in charge this nation will chage for the better, even with all the pressure placed upon him. and its about time that the pupblic can speak about a topic like this without ridicule well, with minimal ridicule lol


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:30 am ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 4:11 am ET

Oh… and let me add: control freak.

takes one to know one I guess.

James wants to control the World. Good luck with that.

But in my defense, I dont' want to control the world, jsut make sure you don't remain as stupid leaving this blog as you were when you came.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 4:32 am ET

Christopher, thanks for sharing that you are religious, too!

Hopefully we will be able to stop this "news broadcasting" trend of reporting that people with a religious affiliation are ALL against legalization.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:33 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 4:15 am ET

the bad thing about iq tests they have know what to judge innerconcious, emotional inteligence or any of the higher brow personal skills….they are more standardized that is where they fail

Hey who am I to argue with you over what low brow means since youre' such an ace at it?


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 4:34 am ET

Ha ha, Agent 124 thinks he won an argument. Don, clearly, your reasoning was much sounder than "No it isn't, and I can prove if with my sexual assault facts, again."


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:34 am ET

Reed March 28th, 2009 4:19 am ET

I agree with Christopher….So far he, agent 124, is only helping us lose sleep.

No that's your desire to stay up on your own.


Reed   March 28th, 2009 4:34 am ET

Yes, Don, we do care about things, and it would probably freak James out if he could comprehend how many things we are interested in and care about, and how marijuana can actually be an aid in enlightenment.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:36 am ET

don , I have found pot smokers pretend to care more about many things


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:37 am ET

Reed March 28th, 2009 4:21 am ET

I think Linda and Helene are sincere.

See whatcha get for thinking?


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 4:37 am ET

Agent 124 style:

Takes one to know one??? I know you are but what am I? HAHHAHA.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 4:39 am ET

See whatcha get for thinking??? Another powerhouse argument by Agent 124.


Reed   March 28th, 2009 4:43 am ET

My desire to stay up is not on my own; my wife is involved in that!

(you took the bait on that one!)


don   March 28th, 2009 4:43 am ET

low bro = simplicity where highbrow = complexity well it has been fun.
marijuana is one of the most spiritual drugs out there i know that 1st hand, i like all others doubted god as a child, but i realised many of the feelings and emotions i started to receive we not just personal feelings but these thoughts and views were part of a bigger picture....im not saying pot will get u there but we all have spirituality deep within us.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 4:44 am ET

I think Linda and Helene are sincere.

Thank you, Reed, I am sincere and I believe Helene is sincere, as well.

Perhaps James has worn the "tough guy" persona, about his background of being sexually assaulted as a child, for so long that he finds it difficult to receive compassion.

Maybe he took up bullying and nasty name calling, to put people off. Regardless, I honestly feel sorry for him. It must be dreadful to be that miserable and (mistakenly) call it wisdom.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 4:45 am ET

No you’re not, that’s me,
Not at all, it just makes me impressed with my own humor
giving a fiddlers fart

More intelligent rebuttals by Agent 124


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:46 am ET

Ha ha, Illegalsmiel is completley oblivious [no suprise there] to the fact that Agent 124 has been winning every arguement. Don, clearly, your reasoning was not sounder than “No it isn’t, and I can prove if with my sexual assault facts, again.” Even if that isn't the strongest arguemetn to be made, how sad for oyu. Ha ha ha ha ha ha 😆 ha ha ha... oh I fogot the obligatory "lol"

ha ha ha


don   March 28th, 2009 4:48 am ET

you know you can tell him how you feel talking in puplic about somthing like that is sort of mean to say the least


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:48 am ET

Reed March 28th, 2009 4:34 am ET

Yes, Don, we do care about things, and it would probably freak James out if he could comprehend how many things we are interested in and care about, and how marijuana can actually be an aid in enlightenment.

BWAH ha ha ha ha 😆 😆 😆 How deluded can oyu get? You people are like somethign out of half baked. ha ha ha!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:50 am ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 4:37 am ET

Agent 124 style:

Takes one to know one??? I know you are but what am I? HAHHAHA.

Ya, and as simple and funny as all that is, it's still bulldozing all your pitiful ittle blurbs.


don   March 28th, 2009 4:50 am ET

wow enlightenment thats a big word your learning 😉


Reed   March 28th, 2009 4:51 am ET

Sorry, I digressed.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 4:51 am ET

I know it's belated.... but: Amen, Reed!!!! With all of your posts....


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:51 am ET

Reed March 28th, 2009 4:43 am ET

My desire to stay up is not on my own; my wife is involved in that!

(you took the bait on that one!)

I dont' give oyu enough credit taht you could bait me. I'm just making fun of oyu and have been for wuite some time. Potheads and those who support them are completley oblivious.


don   March 28th, 2009 4:52 am ET

i will give you one thing james you dont back down lol...even when you know you are outnumbered by every other perons that there takes sum balls


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:53 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 4:43 am ET

low bro = simplicity where highbrow = complexity well it has been fun.
marijuana is one of the most spiritual drugs out there i know that 1st hand, i like all others doubted god as a child, but i realised many of the feelings and emotions i started to receive we not just personal feelings but these thoughts and views were part of a bigger picture….im not saying pot will get u there but we all have spirituality deep within us.

God is another useless high. I love it when peopel use marijuana as a path to god and enlgihtenment abotu as much as I love when peopel use god to justify their addiction. What a maroon.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 4:53 am ET

"No I'm not" "yes it is" "you're stupid" "It takes one to know one" "You're a dope" "I was molested" are clearly GREAT argument winners.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:57 am ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 4:44 am ET

Perhaps James has worn the “tough guy” persona, about his background of being sexually assaulted as a child, for so long that he finds it difficult to receive compassion.

Nope, no tough guy persona... i'm jsut correct and you're just incorrect. It's really simple dont' try to complicate it with your own useless musings. I recieve compassion jsut fine when the compassion is genuine and sincere, yoru assertions not withstanding.

Maybe he took up bullying and nasty name calling, to put people off.

Lady you haven't got the foggiest about what bullying and name calling is.

Regardless, I honestly feel sorry for him. It must be dreadful to be that miserable and (mistakenly) call it wisdom.

Which is just more proof you haven't got a clue. I'm happy as a clam, wiser than my years, and completley content to point out your faults.


don   March 28th, 2009 4:58 am ET

james i could get into a debate with you about god and what my view or beleifs are....but i mean how can you say there is no god or anything ....like everything has happened in history for no reason hahahah james you clearly dont know much about god ,faith,spirit soul, love....these things arent in your vocabulary because you still need to mature you are from from ready to handle anything spiritual if you are still caught up on pot , and you probably beleive those commercials that say 1 joint has 5 cigarettes worth of tarr in them


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:59 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 4:50 am ET

wow enlightenment thats a big word your learning

Sorry droopy. I know it's true meaning even if oyu all pretend to.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:00 am ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 4:53 am ET

“No I’m not” “yes it is” “you’re stupid” “It takes one to know one” “You’re a dope” “I was molested” are clearly GREAT argument winners.

CLEARLY. Especially when kept in context and compared to your useless drivvle.


don   March 28th, 2009 5:03 am ET

james i suggest you dont go by everything you hear...i mean if there was 5 times more tarr than cigarretes in one joint wouldnt at least one person have died...now you see what i mean we are fed lies all the time are they to keep us safe? or are they to keep us controlled you tell me.....its amazing how millions of people spoke out on marijuana due to the presidents internet polls....the public had it with all the lies and falsifications of marijuana....it amazes me how blind some people are hahah


Helene   March 28th, 2009 5:03 am ET

Again.... delayed response...

thanx don and illegalsmile for the laughs.... it's good for the immune system.

[Rolling On The Floor] ROTF / LOL


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 5:04 am ET

People who have been molested are often emotionally stunted and find it difficult to express themselves without lashing out. They can not collect their thoughts when under stress and will often revert to childlike name calling and contrary behavior. They have challenges in grasping new ideas and will often belligerently defend against concepts even when faced with overwhelming reason. It is often the case that a victim of molest will resort to base, repetitive, mindless argument to avoid human connection.


don   March 28th, 2009 5:06 am ET

james d you beleive 5 cigareetes of tar is equal to a joint if you say yes...i will laugh for a week


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:06 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 4:58 am ET

james i could get into a debate with you about god and what my view or beleifs are…

and you'd lose that debate just as handily.

.but i mean how can you say there is no god or anything …

Simple... there is no god.

.like everything has happened in history for no reason

Of course it's happened for a reason. It's jsut that your reason is a false one.

hahahah james you clearly dont know much about god ,faith,spirit soul, love….

God is a lie, Faith and love exist outside of the concept of god, Spirit and soul are two terms meanign roughly the same thing but which noone has as yet been able to define properly. Apparenlty, I do know.

these things arent in your vocabulary because you still need to mature

Actually, they are in my vocabulary. I just happen to understand them better than you do.

you are from from ready to handle anything spiritual if you are still caught up on pot ,

Oh, I'm not caught up on pot. I've matuired past it. What's keeping the rest of oyu?

and you probably beleive those commercials that say 1 joint has 5 cigarettes worth of tarr in them

Oh? Do I?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:08 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 5:03 am ET

james i suggest you dont go by everything you hear…i mean if there was 5 times more tarr than cigarretes in one joint wouldnt at least one person have died…now you see what i mean we are fed lies all the time are they to keep us safe? or are they to keep us controlled you tell me…..its amazing how millions of people spoke out on marijuana due to the presidents internet polls….the public had it with all the lies and falsifications of marijuana….it amazes me how blind some people are hahah

Again you presume much and ass-ume even more. Just what is it you think I believe again?

What amazes me is that grown men and woemn are still so addicted to marijuana even as they claim it isn't taht addictive. You all seem to be disprovign that notion by being here so long.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 5:08 am ET

...thanx, Linda. I am sincere. And, I have sincerely enjoyed listening to all of you... well, ALMOST all of U.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 5:11 am ET

Sexual abuse robs children of their childhood and creates a loss of trust, feelings of guilt and self-abusive behavior. It can lead to antisocial behavior, depression, identity confusion, loss of selfesteem and other serious emotional problems. It can also lead to difficulty with intimate relationships later in life.


don   March 28th, 2009 5:13 am ET

you think that means anything to me im not the blind one man... my dad is athiest i still love him....just means hes is much to stupid to understand the wole concept of religion...thats is what happens when you drink from age 16.....and james i would dabate with you about spiritual things but if you dont beleif in them how can you debate ...i mean it would be mindless.. cause clearly you lack god aswell or you would not be fighting all day on here.. but he still loves you james


Helene   March 28th, 2009 5:19 am ET

Illegalsmile: Fuzzy Lumpkins and all the other crap he conjures up... pretty funny stuff... again... good for the immune system.


don   March 28th, 2009 5:22 am ET

james what happened to you was not your fault man...and i know we dont see eye to eye on much ...and i know you will prolly make funna me or somthing but dude ....that is f-ed up what happened to you and man no body deserve that kind of pain....and u can rip me apart and say i dont give a crap but i obv do even if you think i dont...so goodnight and goodluck...that ges for everybody night all =)


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 5:24 am ET

Thanks Helene, I started reading about victims of incest to see if it explained thngs and and now I feel sorry for him. Its just to pathetic and sad to go on. Sorry, James. I didn't mean to hurt you. I'm going to bed and I wish you well. Get help, you're not alone.


don   March 28th, 2009 5:25 am ET

james find a good girl who cares about yah that my advice...sombody you can trust with everything...but yeah trustworthy girls are another debate all alone lol


robert strickland   March 28th, 2009 5:26 am ET

At the age of 42 after thirty years of excessive drinking, smoking weed, and at times in younger years many other kinds of illicit affairs. I recently was diagnosed with h.c.1.a. in its later stages. I had no real physical signs except fatigue and extreme restlessness. For over five years I have been a legal marijuana user. Not having to be involved in the black market to get my medicine has made such a world of difference in the quality of my life. Thankfully our new fed policy is backing off of criminalizing sick people. I have also been able to stop drinking entirely for over four months by the will of my mind and have never felt better. thanks to God and weed. Our self governing plan in Cal. seems to be working fine. I would be dead with out my medicine and the brave maverick Dr.s and clinic providers.By the way synthetic marinol does not work and is up to thirty times as much expensive . Naturally grown Marijuana VAPORIZED or eaten in baked goods has no harmful toxic side effects like so many other drugs we are forced to ingest that are killing us. Lets get rid of politicians who support the spread illicit killing drugs and of of toxic waste like M.T.B.E. in our fuel, and fluoride in our food and water. The scourge of war upon our planet, and the Poison in the air we breath. There should be so many other real life important issues addressed other than a scary weed to distract us from all of everything else that is destroying us.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:27 am ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 5:11 am ET

Sexual abuse robs children of their childhood and creates a loss of trust, feelings of guilt and self-abusive behavior.

Sexual abuse attempts to rob children of their childhood, hinders trust, and the feelings of guilt subside over time. the really destructive thing is that too many abused victims suffer greater abuse from their own family memebrs who pretend or jsut want to help them. the self abusive behavior is only prevalent in extreme cases and those where neglect is foremost in the family setting. it's the outward abuse that gets the attention though. Outword abuse often manifests in the attempt to psychoanylize others to avoid psychoanylizing ones self for fear of what may be found.

It can lead to antisocial behavior, depression, identity confusion, loss of selfesteem and other serious emotional problems. It can also lead to difficulty with intimate relationships later in life.

The molestation can lead to depression, identity confusion, loss of self esteem, and other serious emotional problems, but the antisocial behavior is a learned trait useually inflicted on a hence over protective mate or parental figure. And the troubles with intimate relationships goes without saying,. Often these molestation vitims resort tomore sex as a form of coping to try to make it right.


don   March 28th, 2009 5:27 am ET

yeah usuall no good comes of that...try to help the guy i mean we are the pot smokers we are the ones who care about others even if they cant put up with us...have a great night you all great debates....


Reed   March 28th, 2009 5:27 am ET

James,

I leaned to do ground-up restorations of muscle cars, even build the engines, and they ran, ......while enlightened.

I learned to design and build electronic circuits for my guitar, and they worked.....while enlightened.

I learned to be a mechanic on a winning drag racing crew, ...while enlightened.

I learned to grow fantastic herbs from seed...while enlightened. (know what tissue culture is?) (was later the only computer support person to know the latin names of some plants at a premier horticultural garden where I worked)

I took adult city kids into the mountains and taught them how to fish and jump off large waterfalls....while enlightened

I got pulled over on my bycicle (a BMX, at age 27) and arrested for an unpaid dog-at-large ticket...while enlightened

I worked in a record store, during college, and memorized all the artists and albums I had to deliver to the stores, so I could walk through each store and just pull out the stock they needed...while enlightened.

I found gold in quartz outcroppings in the mountains south of Phoenix...while enlightened.

Before and during my college years I attended more than 100 rock/jazz/fusion/classic new wave concerts....while enlightened.

I resucitated my aunts austrailian sheppard after my pit bull pup (I miss that dog) choked the wind out of it....while enlightened

I managed to attain a BS degree even after being enlightened.

I had lots of friends....while enlightened...then later got married (wife not so enlightened); not so many friends now, looking for upgrade.

What kind of things do you do James?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:28 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 5:25 am ET

james find a good girl who cares about yah that my advice…sombody you can trust with everything…but yeah trustworthy girls are another debate all alone lol

Already engaged dude.


don   March 28th, 2009 5:29 am ET

ok reed now i wanna talk with you oh enlightened one lol


don   March 28th, 2009 5:31 am ET

nice james you should be happy than =)


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:31 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 5:13 am ET

you think that means anything to me im not the blind one man…

Have those cateracts checked man

my dad is athiest i still love him….

How generous of you, how noble and how christ like. How spiritual of oyu. I'm sure he's touched that you would lower yourself to loveing him despite his flaws. What a fien son oyu must be.

just means hes is much to stupid to understand the wole concept of religion…

Pfft. ya... the idiot. too dumb to wear a condome too apparently.

thats is what happens when you drink from age 16…..and james i would dabate with you about spiritual things but if you dont beleif in them how can you debate …i mean it would be mindless.. cause clearly you lack god aswell or you would not be fighting all day on here.. but he still loves you james

there's nothign to lack,. God doesn't exist and never has, and never will no matter how many times oyu click your healsd together. And there's no pot of gold at the end fo the rainbow either.


don   March 28th, 2009 5:32 am ET

lol now i wanna give your too friendly uncle a high five lol


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:33 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 5:22 am ET

james what happened to you was not your fault man…

Never said it was. that's just absurd. this isn't good will hunting.

and i know we dont see eye to eye on much …and i know you will prolly make funna me or somthing but dude ….that is f-ed up what happened to you and man no body deserve that kind of pain….and u can rip me apart and say i dont give a crap but i obv do even if you think i dont…so goodnight and goodluck…that ges for everybody night all =)

Whatever. okay.


don   March 28th, 2009 5:35 am ET

sry never saw good will hunting its a chick flick but yeah give your uncle props for me alright thanks


Helene   March 28th, 2009 5:35 am ET

Illegalsmile:

Really interesting insights.... Now I understand my sister. That helps. She's a looney tune.... like youknowwho.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:37 am ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 5:24 am ET

Thanks Helene, I started reading about victims of incest to see if it explained thngs and and now I feel sorry for him.

aw, I'm touched... really. no pun intended. I'm so glad your book has told oyu so much, your'e a fart smeller uh I mean a smart feller.

Its just to pathetic and sad to go on.

Sure why not, I win the debate on pot and I'm pathetic. your concern is just oozzing over I'm sure.

Sorry, James. I didn’t mean to hurt you. I’m going to bed and I wish you well. Get help, you’re not alone.

You didn't. I'm jsut correcting oyur mistakes, as I've often done. I feel sorry for you that oyu still dont' get it though... but hey, light up a bowl, toke a few,,, go to church talk yto your pastor abotu your other self deluding practices... whatver makes oyu feel good child molester. Whatever helps oyu forget.....


don   March 28th, 2009 5:39 am ET

the funny thing is that we are all mature people except one person....and all of us are benefitng from this time with one another while we work towars a goal....james has no goal....clearly has no life but yeah im glad for the efforets we have shared in a great mission ...a mission that has been put offcourse way to long.. god bless everybody...ever the little weasel


Linda   March 28th, 2009 5:46 am ET

James posted:

hey, light up a bowl, toke a few,,, go to church talk yto your pastor abotu your other self deluding practices… whatver makes oyu feel good child molester. Whatever helps oyu forget…

Linda wrote:

James, now that you have called Illegalsmile a child molester, the truth about your life is becoming more obvious.

I repeat my previous assertion:
If a person will not molest a child WITHOUT marijuana,
the person will not molest a
child WITH marijuana.

The fact that someone is a child molester has nothing to do with marijuana.

A child molester molests children because he is a child molester.


don   March 28th, 2009 5:46 am ET

james you compared marijuan to human trafficing your validility was lost hours ago if not yesterday when u spewed the sam stuff....yeah soo you have wasted alot of our time you immature doof...i mean you clearly dont know anything about politics the least bit....you may have credibility on twitter with some of your friends but not here we expect to have inteligent questions rather than that same dumb 2 year old crap all day....im just glad i cant spit out false info all day and think im correct...


don   March 28th, 2009 5:48 am ET

yeah i told you this guy is a freak...petttiiii!!!!! night yahh keep your sanity with this bozoo around its tough hes a blunt one..lol


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:51 am ET

Intrestign tidbits here Redd, but let me correct you so you dont' go off too stupid...

Reed ,

You learned to do ground-up restorations of muscle cars, even build the engines, and they ran, ……despite bging "enlightened."

You learned to design and build electronic circuits for your guitar, and they worked…..despite being most likely on Meth, but it's possible marijuana as well..

You learned to be a mechanic on a winning drag racing crew, …despite being "enlightened."

You learned to grow fantastic herbs from seed…despite being "enlightened." and were certainly motivated and eager because of the wonderful affects of oyur "enlightenment". (know what tissue culture is?) Yes I do.(was later the only computer support person to know the latin names of some plants at a premier horticultural garden where I worked) fascinating stoner.

You took adult city kids into the mountains and taught them how to fish and jump off large waterfalls….despite the fact that it was illegal to take someone elses "child" into oyur care while being "enlightened"

You got pulled over on your bycicle (a BMX, at age 27) and arrested for an unpaid dog-at-large ticket…while those stupid cops must have been "enlightened"

You worked in a record store, during college, and memorized all the artists and albums you had to deliver to the stores, so you could walk through each store and just pull out the stock they needed…despite being enlightened.

You found gold in quartz outcroppings in the mountains south of Phoenix…despite being "enlightened."

Before and during your college years you attended more than 100 rock/jazz/fusion/classic new wave concerts….despite being "enlightened.", and your attendance doesn't mean you actually learned a damn thing.

You resucitated your aunts austrailian sheppard after your pit bull pup (you might actually miss that dog) choked the wind out of it….despite being "enlightened" and your love of animals is to be commended even if your love of pot isn't.

You managed to attain a BS degree [just barely I'm sure] even despite being "enlightened."

You had lots of friends….despite being "enlightened" or rather just because you were getting "enlightened" with them…then later got married (wife not so enlightened); not so many friends now, looking for upgrade.

Why would oyu ask what kinds of things I do? It isn't liek you actually care. You were just engaging in alittle mental masterbation [self gratification about all the neat tricks you can do.... liek my cat could open the screen door before, during and after I blew "enlightenment" into his face. 😉


lee tomas   March 28th, 2009 5:52 am ET

as long as the people that choose to use stay as productive and efficient, then why not? it would make a drastic increase in capital for the nation, then yes


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:53 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 5:35 am ET

sry never saw good will hunting its a chick flick but yeah give your uncle props for me alright thanks

My stepbrother. You're giving my child molesting stepbrother props? can't say I('m supreised.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:57 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 5:39 am ET

the funny thing is that we are all mature people except one person….and all of us are benefitng from this time with one another while we work towars a goal….james has no goal….

My goal is to make sure oyu idiots dont' influence my daugthters life.

clearly has no life but yeah im glad for the efforets we have shared in a great mission …a mission that has been put off course way to long.. god bless everybody…ever the little weasel

Awww did i hurt widdow don's feewings. Po widdow don doesn't liek peopel shooting down his deluded pasions about his imaginawy fwend.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 5:58 am ET

Hey Reed,

You sound like a man after my heart! Let me know if you and your wife ever get a divorce! lol

If not.... then perhaps illegalsmile. I could fall in love with U!!! I love brilliant spiritual folks.

U2 don. And, if I were into women, I'd do U2 Linda! Just yoking!!!!

Yup. We're deep. We are spiritual. Personally, I do love and believe in God... but, live and let live.... It's okay if other people don't.... als long as we treat each other like human beings, with reverance and respect.


John Royalle   March 28th, 2009 5:58 am ET

yes marijuana should be legalise cos i see nor harm in it .


Dell in Chicago   March 28th, 2009 5:59 am ET

Throwing Americans in jail for possessing one of the most useful plants known to mankind is ludicrous.

Legalize marijuana/hemp. Reduce crime, gangs, violence. Generate tax, industry(Food, Fuel, Fiber, Entertainment) .

Best Marijuana Documentary
The Union: The Business Behind Getting High


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:00 am ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 5:46 am ET

James posted:

hey, light up a bowl, toke a few,,, go to church talk yto your pastor abotu your other self deluding practices… whatver makes oyu feel good child molester. Whatever helps oyu forget…

Linda wrote:

James, now that you have called Illegalsmile a child molester, the truth about your life is becoming more obvious.

Oh, s it oh wise and all seeing fortune teller? is it really? Do oyu understand sarcasm at all you twit?

I repeat my previous assertion:
If a person will not molest a child WITHOUT marijuana,
the person will not molest a
child WITH marijuana.

The fact that someone is a child molester has nothing to do with marijuana.

A child molester molests children because he is a child molester.

And saldy I need to repeat mine as well... Child molesters and potheads make the sdame excuses to enable their addictions. I wasn't amking a cause effect relationship between the two, btu rather a concurrent mode of jsutification. Learn to comprehend what you read.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 6:01 am ET

Don, I agree that much of this seems to have been an exercise in futility. Perhaps it would be good for us to, in the future, just ignore the nonsense.

We have all made good efforts to communicate with James in a reasonable manner, to no avail.
We must not let his outbursts cause our productivity to suffer ever again.

We would probably agree that our posts directed to James have been a total waste of time, yet we did not know that when we were doing it.

I, for one, will not be allowing myself to drift off topic in an effort to show compassion to this ungrateful and hateful person ever again.

Our focus must be on sharing information with each other about organizations which are working to further our cause.

We need to mobilize people so that the next time CNN has a panel it will not be so heavily weighted against us.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:04 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 5:46 am ET

james you compared marijuana to human trafficing your validility was lost hours ago if not yesterday when u spewed the sam stuff….yeah soo you have wasted alot of our time you immature doof…i mean you clearly dont know anything about politics the least bit….you may have credibility on twitter with some of your friends but not here we expect to have inteligent questions rather than that same dumb 2 year old crap all day….im just glad i cant spit out false info all day and think im correct…

Of course oyu can you deluded dolt. That's what oyu've all been doing ALL GOD DAMNED DAY! To use an epithat that might get your attention. your entier premise is false. You dumb pot heads make the same pathetic excuses as the peopel who molest children. that' jsut a flat fact. FACT. get it? Nimrod.

Your ENITRE foundation is based on one lie after another. Period.


Jim   March 28th, 2009 6:09 am ET

James In Kamiah, Idaho your obviously a narc. Who else would be in posting comments since 7:50 pm. You have been here for 9 HOURS !!?? Go get a LIFE or punch out with that CIA punch card of yours !


Helene   March 28th, 2009 6:14 am ET

Linda: Great point! Stay focused on the positive.

Illegalsmile mentioned "Americans for Safe Access".... that's probably something we should all look into...

And, by the way... I've stopped reading his posts... They are so boring, I skip over them and get to the good stuff: Thanx everybody for your posts.... they've been really enriching, for me.

God Bless you all.... And God Bless dooofas... Agent 124.... whateverthehellheis.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:21 am ET

God's a piehole and it stinks liek tuna


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:24 am ET

Seriously, this is like reading throught eh script for that old Heavy metal Cartoon...

Hey man, oyu got any mroe of that plutonium niborg man?

Ya ya man... here let me get it...

Hey man, can oyu land this thing?

Oh sure man, what it si is this stuff makes you all whacked out and screws with your brain so you just gotta let your hands do the flying....

once again, a perfect example of the stoner mentality completley missing the issue.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 6:37 am ET

Helene, That's a wonderful idea, it's time for me to stop reading what James is writing, too!!

Thanks for reminding me of the group Illegalsmile mentioned, I'll look into it.

You were really on your toes with your comment to Reed, I was thinking the same thing.

Perhaps it was better coming from you, it may not have been appropriate coming from me.

But, back to the subject at hand, I was also thinking that it may be a good idea to contact President Obama about this.

He is clearly interested in the subject, and seems to be putting the end of his toe into the water to see how it feels.

It seems as if President Obama KNEW that a majority of the country would back him up, he would favor legalization.

Does anyone agree with this?


Linda   March 28th, 2009 6:48 am ET

It seems as I am the only one still up, so good night all, and let's keep reaching for the victory!! 🙂


Helene   March 28th, 2009 6:54 am ET

Right on, Linda! And, sweet dreams...


Linda   March 28th, 2009 6:57 am ET

Helene, your emails may have prompted President Obama to put the poll about this on his website!!

🙂 I haven't contacted him at all, and I think there are others who probably have not, either.

This is just the beginning of the dialogue, we just need to keep it going.

I saw President Obama laughing about the fact that so many people are in favor of legalizing it.

Perhaps we should stress that this is a serious issue and that we want him to take it seriously.

I will read again the posts from tonight to put together some bullet points about how much $ this is costing.

That seems to be the best way to approach it for now, since the economy is a major focus. 🙂

Gotta love that Hillary Clinton, she sure has done a lot to get the discussion going over this last week, too!!


Linda   March 28th, 2009 6:58 am ET

Sweet dreams to you, too, Helene!!


Helene   March 28th, 2009 7:02 am ET

I think President Obama laughing about it, was more about nervous energy... and he specifically stated he thought it was not the solution to heal the economy... but he did not mention all the other reasons to legalize or decriminalize it.... all the other reasons mentioned in this blog by so many brilliant folks....

Your idea of making bullet points is a great idea... Illegalsmile was blowing my mind with all his insights and facts...

And, make sure to send a copy to Hillary!!!


Mike   March 28th, 2009 7:05 am ET

Marijuana is natural , no processing like other drugs or alcohol.


Jim   March 28th, 2009 8:29 am ET

Throwing Americans in jail for possessing one of the most useful plants known to mankind is ludicrous.

Legalize marijuana/hemp. Reduce crime, gangs, violence. Generate tax, industry(Food, Fuel, Fiber, Entertainment) .

Watch
The Union: The Business Behind Getting High


Charlotte Bloebaum   March 28th, 2009 9:31 am ET

I just read all these comments but did miss the show. The comments, once again, are proof that the majority of us want to see this very bening and useful plant legalized. It is EXACTLY like alcohol prohibition and that did not work, neither is this or will this war on drugs work. I have written President Obama several times about this issue-several times during his campaign. He does always reply the same. It is my hope this will change. I am 66 years old, almost completely blind in one eye due to glaucoma. I have used medical marijuana for over 10 years to keep the eye pressure down. When my eye pressure skyrocketed was when I was NOT using marijuana but the prescription drugs the doctor gave me-all had side effects and none worked. Before it was legal for patients here in Oregon, my husband and I were arrested and convicted for having it growing in our basement. That little episode cost us thousands of dollars, made criminals out of hard working people and did nothing to stop us using it. I now have my medical license but it needs to be legal for everyone. I am a very healthy and active senior citizen, been smoking marijuana for 35 years and have suffered no ill effects. I am not using any ongoing prescriptions, work a full time job and am not overweight, do not smoke or drink alcohol. Does that sound like a health ravaged drug addict? Criminalizing this very useful plant is immoral. What it IS doing is making sure the pharmaceutical companies continue to get people hooked on their meds and continue to be a profitable business. Wake up America, look to Amsterdams program and the monetary benefits from legalizing marijuana. In his heart, President Obama knows it is the right thing to do. We are being terrorized and victimized and it is time for this madness to stop!!


robert moore   March 28th, 2009 10:40 am ET

Shouldn't we concentrate on getting marijuana rescheduled. It seems like so much more could be done if it were moved to a class reflecting its medical values, in class II or III. I take Oxycodone it is perscribed, this is a dangerious drug only classed in IIII ? My medication is very hard on my stomach, it has great potential for withdraw, that i experiance. I can not always take pain medicine often i push through the pain. If marijuana works, it does from my experiance. I would prefer marijuana, it can be consumed in many ways. making the need for oxycodone much much lower. It dosent hurt me like my current medicine does. I can not use marijuana, it is not legal for medical reasons here.This makes the quality of life so much better than just sick (from pills)and disabled. Should we be able to have a better life?


don   March 28th, 2009 10:49 am ET

i agree helene...he was pressured due to all the people laughing, and nice point Jim!


don   March 28th, 2009 11:13 am ET

and yes is it a shame hie had laughed it off....to think maybe we are sick of pointless arrests over an herb as versitile as marijuana...it was indeed no laughing matter!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 11:25 am ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 6:37 am ET

Helene, That’s a wonderful idea, it’s time for me to stop reading what James is writing, too!!

Yes by all means stop reading what I am writing. remining completley ignorant is often teh comfot zone of the pothead. Another easily identifiable trait is the passive aggression that often ends in a violent and vitriolic outburst whenever thepothead's stash is threatened.

But, back to the subject at hand, I was also thinking that it may be a good idea to contact President Obama about this.

He is clearly interested in the subject, and seems to be putting the end of his toe into the water to see how it feels.

It seems as if President Obama KNEW that a majority of the country would back him up, he would favor legalization.

Does anyone agree with this?

Not at all, His laughter at all you potheads was certaily a sincere laugh and had no minglings of fear in it. Even iif it means his entire grasrrots movement [and incredible stretch of the imagination by the way to think his grassroots movement consists of so many potheads when so many were already in the Ron paul Camp] shoudl desert him.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 11:29 am ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 6:48 am ET

It seems as I am the only one still up, so good night all, and let’s keep reaching for the victory!!

Helene March 28th, 2009 6:54 am ET

Right on, Linda! And, sweet dreams…

As usual. A group of potheads is putting the cart before the horser. You have to start thinking reasonabley first and once that happend your current cause is lost.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 11:30 am ET

And by the way... I didn't come here to make friends so oyur talking ove me, while comforting to you all, doesn't affect em in the slightest. i"ll just correct your obvious mistakes and lack of insight as you go along.... carry on.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 11:39 am ET

Jim March 28th, 2009 8:29 am ET

Throwing Americans in jail for possessing one of the most useful plants known to mankind is ludicrous.

It isnt' that the plant isn't useful jim, you're completley missing the point, which someoen wil no doubt compliment you on soon, it's the detrimental use of it for recreational purposes.

Legalize marijuana/hemp. Reduce crime, gangs, violence. Generate tax, industry(Food, Fuel, Fiber, Entertainment) .

Legalize the child pornindustry. Reduce crime, gangs, violence. Generate tax, industry(Entertainment) .

Watch he Union: The Business Behind Getting High
And lose almost as many brain cells as you do pulling a binger or hotboxing your shaggin wagon


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 11:40 am ET

don March 28th, 2009 10:49 am ET

i agree helene…he was pressured due to all the people laughing, and nice point Jim!

A clear sign of a deranged mind... agreeing with helene


Reggie Brannon   March 28th, 2009 11:47 am ET

What a phony hypocrite .It was reported that he even sold pot in college .At any rate he is certainly aware of the fact its harmless and hundreds of thousands of Americans are being imprisoned lives are being ruined and families destroyed. Not to mention how many are suffering from the affects of debilitating diseases .Forced to take pharmaceuticals which provide no relief or have harsh side affects .Because pharmaceutical companies dont control marijuana and it would eliminate the need for chemical pharmaceuticals for such a large number of conditions .Once again greed and the dollar take precedence over the good of the people. Maybe our government leaders should sign up for a business economics course from the drug cartels .I mean look at the state of finance of our governments and that of the cartels which threaten to over power them from drug revenue. 30 years of a phony drug war has done nothing but make prisons the leading industry make 1/3 of our country felons increase the amount of drugs and drug users ,destroy families and create organizations so powerful they threaten to over throw government all with the bargain price tag of a billions of dollars to the American people. Of course that would eliminate the profits of covert CIA operations and other high up members of government secrecy


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 11:48 am ET

Hey here's an idea... why dont' all you pot zombie's go to the NAMBLA website adn read their justifications for their actions, then superimpose the word marijuana over child or boy and thyen try to continue to defend your own lunacy.

trip out dude, it'll blow your mind man


Weed Warrior   March 28th, 2009 11:55 am ET

Free the Weed!


don   March 28th, 2009 11:57 am ET

i mean we mine as stop one of the borgder issues....seeing mexican drug cartels look to make plenty of money off of us...at least if marijuana was taxed and sold here, we would take one of the variables out of this cartel situation and severly hurt their business, AC 360 did a really great thing finding a membet hat spoke out from one of the cartels. I think america was very shocked to see how many american cities have cartell connections, and the facts about the goverment helping in sneaking across the border, the large mess had surprised us. why not cut down some of their business that spans across the united states. THE CARTEL MEMBERS HAVE MADE MONEY OFF OF THE U.S. AND ITS PROHIBITION OF MARIJUANA TOO LONG. (CLEARLY OUR NATION USES THE PLANT WHY NOT HAVE OUR NATION CREATE THE PLANT) RATHER THANS JUST BUYING IT FROM CARTELS......and ses that is just as bad as outsourcing jobs....

WE ARE PAYING THE CARTELS, FOR A PLANT THAT THEY GREW (OR FORCED PEOPLE TO GROW)...WHILE ALL WE COULD BE GROWING IT AND UTILIZING ALL THE BENEFITS FROM IT AROUND THE BOARD!!! OF COURSE THERE ARE OTHER DRUGS THE CARTELS ARE INTERETED IN, BUT I AM POSITIVE THAT REMOVING ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR DRUGS FROM THEIR SALES LIST WE START MAKING REVENUE. AS WELL DECLINE THEIR BUSINESS, BECAUSE WE COULD FOCUS ON STOPPING HARD DRUGS LIKE COCAIN AND HEROIN, AND FINNALY STOP WASTING TAX PAYERS MONEY ON MARIJUANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

VIOLENCE SESTEMS FROM THE CARTELS AND THEIR DEMAND FROM OUR PEOPLE, OUR PEOPLE DEMAND IS HIGH BECAUSE OF PROHIBITION OF THESE GOODS, COCAINE AND HERIOIN RUIN LIVES AND CAUSE MANY PROBLEMS, MARIJUANA IS FAR CLEANER OF A DRUG THAN ALCOHOL OR CIGARETTES, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW THAT MARIJUANA HAS FAR LESS TARR THAN CIGARETTES, ITS OBVIOUS

OUR NATION IS FULL OF DRUNKS, AND UNHEALTHY SMOKERS, ITS ABOUT TIME WE TURN THIS AROUND, I DO NOT GET HOW ANYBODY WOULD SMOKE SOMTHING THAT SAYS IT CAUSES CANCER ON THE SIDE

IF THE GOVERMENT SELLS AND TAXES THINGS THAT KILL PEOPLE EVERYDAY SIMPLY FROM USE OF THE PRODUCTS... I DO NOT SEE WHY THE GOVERMENT WOULD SELL PRODUCTS THAT CAUSE CANCER, ACCIDENTS AND DEATHS.....AND NOT SELL SOMTHING TO THE PEOPLE THAT DOESNT CAUSE CANCER OR SEVERE INCAPACITY...MARIJUANAS HEATH RISKS ARE CLOSE TO NONE!!!!!!!!!!ITS A FACT A FACT THAT HAS MADE AMERICA THINK WHAT IT IS THE GOVERMENT TRIES TO CONDONE

YOUR TELLING ME THE GOVERMENT WOULD RATHER SEE ME DIE FROM CIGGARETTES OR ALCOHOL AT THE EXPENSE OF MONEY FOR THEM...THAT RIGHT THERE IS REDICULOUS

CONSIDERING NOBODY HAS PHYSICALLY EVER DIED FROM THE COMSOPTIONS OF MARIJUANA......YOUR TTELLING OUR GOVERNMENT IS THIS HYPOCRITICAL......

THAT IS WHY WE ARE PISSED

US SUPPORTS CANCER CAUSING DRUGS ALL DAY...WHY CAUSE THEY ARE MORE ADDICTIVE....WELL THATS A NICE THING TO DO TO AMERICAN PEOPLE.....LETS PUT SMOKING ADS ON TV AGAIN TO TRY TO GET 10 YEAR OLDS HOOKED TO CIGGARETTES AGAIN.....NOT!!!!!!

I MEAN WE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM THIS MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF HEALTHY AMERICANS......

HEY LARRY,

IS OUR GOAL TO GIVE THE AMERICAN CANCER, OR GIVE HIM A HEALTHIER ALTERNATIVE, TIMES HAVE CHANGED

WE WANT THE HEALTHY ALTERNATIVE TO THE ADDICTION OF NICOTINE.....A NATION WITH LUNG CANCER AND SEROSIS OF THE LIVER IS WHERE WE LIE AS OF NOW.....

CHANGE!!!!!!!!!


don   March 28th, 2009 12:05 pm ET

IT IS STRICLY ABOUT RIGHTS...THE NATION WAS FOUNDED ON FREE CHOICE. WHEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PAY TAXES...THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ALSO DESERVE TO BE HEARD....


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:09 pm ET

don~i mean we might as stop one of the borgder issues….seeing mexican drug cartels look to make plenty of money off of us…at least if marijuana was taxed and sold here, we would take one of the variables out of this cartel situation and severly hurt their business, AC 360 did a really great thing finding a membet that spoke out from one of the cartels. I think america was very shocked to see how many american cities have cartell connections, and the facts about the goverment helping in sneaking across the border, the large mess had surprised us. why not cut down some of their business that spans across the united states. THE CARTEL MEMBERS HAVE MADE MONEY OFF OF THE U.S. AND ITS PROHIBITION OF MARIJUANA TOO LONG. (CLEARLY OUR NATION USES THE PLANT WHY NOT HAVE OUR NATION CREATE THE PLANT) RATHER THANS JUST BUYING IT FROM CARTELS……and see that is just as bad as outsourcing jobs….

And while we're at it why not cut off sex traders and use our own children for that right don? I mena it's the same frickin arguemetn all around. Seriously oyu idiots, how many times do I have to repeat myself before you rocks get a mineral?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:11 pm ET

don~ WE ARE PAYING THE CARTELS, FOR A PLANT THAT THEY GREW (OR FORCED PEOPLE TO GROW)…WHILE ALL WE COULD BE GROWING IT AND UTILIZING ALL THE BENEFITS FROM IT AROUND THE BOARD!!! OF COURSE THERE ARE OTHER DRUGS THE CARTELS ARE INTERETED IN, BUT I AM POSITIVE THAT REMOVING ONE OF THE MOST POPULAR DRUGS FROM THEIR SALES LIST WE START MAKING REVENUE. AS WELL DECLINE THEIR BUSINESS, BECAUSE WE COULD FOCUS ON STOPPING HARD DRUGS LIKE COCAIN AND HEROIN, AND FINNALY STOP WASTING TAX PAYERS MONEY ON MARIJUANA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

OR HEY DON, WHY NOT JUST STOP BUYING THEIR HARMFUL PRODUCT ALTOGETHER AND NOT PRETEND THERE'S ONLY TWO OPTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:13 pm ET

VIOLENCE SESTEMS FROM THE CARTELS AND THEIR DEMAND FROM OUR PEOPLE, OUR PEOPLE DEMAND IS HIGH BECAUSE OF PROHIBITION OF THESE GOODS, COCAINE AND HERIOIN RUIN LIVES AND CAUSE MANY PROBLEMS,

YES THEY DO DON AND SO DOES MARIJUANA YOU INSIPID LITTLE TOAD. YOU'RE JUS TOO DOPED UP TO GET IT!

MARIJUANA IS FAR CLEANER OF A DRUG THAN ALCOHOL OR CIGARETTES, AND THE AMERICAN PEOPLE KNOW THAT MARIJUANA HAS FAR LESS TARR THAN CIGARETTES, ITS OBVIOUS

YES DON IT"S OBVIOUS YOU'RE COMPLETELY OF YOUR MEDS!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:16 pm ET

OUR NATION IS FULL OF DRUNKS, AND UNHEALTHY SMOKERS, ITS ABOUT TIME WE TURN THIS AROUND, I DO NOT GET HOW ANYBODY WOULD SMOKE SOMTHING THAT SAYS IT CAUSES CANCER ON THE SIDE

I DON"T EITHER DON> IT'S A CRYIN SHAME> YOU SHOULD LOBBY AGAINST CIGARETTES RATHER THAN FOR ANOTHER CARCINAGENE LIKE MARIJUANA!

IF THE GOVERMENT SELLS AND TAXES THINGS THAT KILL PEOPLE EVERYDAY SIMPLY FROM USE OF THE PRODUCTS… I DO NOT SEE WHY THE GOVERMENT WOULD SELL PRODUCTS THAT CAUSE CANCER, ACCIDENTS AND DEATHS…..AND NOT SELL SOMTHING TO THE PEOPLE THAT DOESNT CAUSE CANCER OR SEVERE INCAPACITY…MARIJUANAS HEATH RISKS ARE CLOSE TO NONE!!!!!!!!!!ITS A FACT A FACT THAT HAS MADE AMERICA THINK WHAT IT IS THE GOVERMENT TRIES TO CONDONE

RIGHT DR. DON, RIIIIGHT. YOU JUST KEEP TELLIN YOURSELF THAT.


don   March 28th, 2009 12:17 pm ET

JAMES DO YOU KNOW HOW TO DEBATE I PERSONALY DONT SMOKE CIGARETTES OR DRINK ALCOHOL....AND I AGREE WITH YOU JAMES......THATS WHY WE SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE NOT TO USE MARIJUANA ASWELL....


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:18 pm ET

YOUR TELLING ME THE GOVERMENT WOULD RATHER SEE ME DIE FROM CIGGARETTES OR ALCOHOL AT THE EXPENSE OF MONEY FOR THEM…THAT RIGHT THERE IS REDICULOUS

IT SURE IS DON. ONCE AGAIN, LOBBY AGAINST THAT INSTEAD OF FOR MARIJUANA. iT'S SO SIMPLE, WHY DIDNT' YOU SEE TI BEFORE? TOO MUCH POT SMOEK IN YOUR WIZARD VAN i'M SURE.

CONSIDERING NOBODY HAS PHYSICALLY EVER DIED FROM THE COMSOPTIONS OF MARIJUANA……YOUR TTELLING OUR GOVERNMENT IS THIS HYPOCRITICAL……

THAT IS WHY WE ARE PISSED

nO DON YOU'RE PISSED BECAUSE YOU'RE VIEWED AS A USELESS LUMP AND BY GOLLY YOUR'E NOT GOING TO TAKE IT ANYMORE... LIEK THE SPOILED BRAT KID WHO DOESN'T LIEK IT WHEN HIS PARENTS FEED HIM BROCCOLI


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:20 pm ET

U.S. SUPPORTS CANCER CAUSING DRUGS ALL DAY…WHY CAUSE THEY ARE MORE ADDICTIVE….WELL THATS A NICE THING TO DO TO AMERICAN PEOPLE…..LETS PUT SMOKING ADS ON TV AGAIN TO TRY TO GET 10 YEAR OLDS HOOKED TO CIGGARETTES AGAIN…..NOT!!!!!!

I MEAN WE NEED TO GET AWAY FROM THIS MONEY AT THE EXPENSE OF HEALTHY AMERICANS……

HEY LARRY,

IS OUR GOAL TO GIVE THE AMERICAN CANCER, OR GIVE HIM A HEALTHIER ALTERNATIVE, TIMES HAVE CHANGED

tHERE IS NO HEALTHY ALTERNATIVE TO SMOKING, AND CERTAINLY NOT SIMPLY SMOKING SOMETHING ELSE.

WE WANT THE HEALTHY ALTERNATIVE TO THE ADDICTION OF NICOTINE…..A NATION WITH LUNG CANCER AND SEROSIS OF THE LIVER IS WHERE WE LIE AS OF NOW…..

CHANGE!!!!!!!!!

yOU AREN'T LOOKING FOR CHANGE DON, YOU'RE LOOKING FOR MORE OF THE SAME DISGUISED AS CHANGE.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:22 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 12:05 pm ET

IT IS STRICLY ABOUT RIGHTS…THE NATION WAS FOUNDED ON FREE CHOICE. WHEN THE AMERICAN PEOPLE PAY TAXES…THE AMERICAN PEOPLE ALSO DESERVE TO BE HEARD….

NO DON, IT'S STRICTLY ABOUT YOU GUARDING YOUR ATASH, LIEK A SQUIRREL GUARDING HIS NUTS. rIGHTS AND FREEDOM OF CHOICE HAVE NOTHIGN TO DO WITH IT.


don   March 28th, 2009 12:23 pm ET

they brought the question up in the presidents meeting because it was such a popular topic......DUH it is not a random blog....you wonder why nobody agrees wih you on anything because you DO NOT HAVE ANY FACTS TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS...maybe then your view will be aknowleged


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:24 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 12:17 pm ET

JAMES DO YOU KNOW HOW TO DEBATE

YES DON I DO. WHY DO OYU ASK?

I PERSONALY DONT SMOKE CIGARETTES OR DRINK ALCOHOL….AND I AGREE WITH YOU JAMES……THATS WHY WE SHOULD HAVE A CHOICE NOT TO USE MARIJUANA AS WELL….

aND YOUR'E COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT. mARIJUANA ISN'T PART OF ANY CHOICE SYSTEM, IT'S NOT AN OPTION AT ALL. iT'S NOT ABOUT CHOICE DON, IT'S CLEARLY ABOUT YOU PROTECTING YOUR STASH. iT'S NOT A DICHOTOMY DON SO STOP TRYING TO TRUN IT INTO ONE


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:29 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 12:23 pm ET

they brought the question up in the presidents meeting because it was such a popular topic……

So was slavery at one point, why not reinstitute that? So is the child pron industry and polygomy why not legalize that? Oh ya, cause common sense screams otu against it.

DUH it is not a random blog….

DUH, it's still a useless blog when you consider what people like Illegalsmile pretend to post as facts.

you wonder why nobody agrees wih you on anything

No, I dont' wonder. Your'e all marijuana retarded. No mystery there.

because you DO NOT HAVE ANY FACTS TO SUPPORT YOUR CLAIMS…maybe then your view will be aknowleged

EVERYTHING I HAVE STAED HAS BEEN FACTUAL. EVERYTHING. YOU SIMPLY WOULDN"T KNOW A FACT IF IT BIT YOU IN THE A**... and as I stated before... right cause you acknowledging me is so important.


don   March 28th, 2009 12:31 pm ET

marijuana killed nobody alcohol and cigerettes kill millions......whats your point james...it goes to show that the goverment likes to legalize addictive substaces so they can increase the price and still have buyers....that is why cigareetes are 8 dollars a pack. And they will only go up in price.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:36 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 12:31 pm ET

marijuana killed nobody alcohol and cigerettes kill millions……

Marijuana, like alcohol and cigarettes kills people on a daily basis. You just don't hear about it cause ti's a quite death. You keep downplayign the significance of things like DUI's and drug related killings because someone's stash was stoeln... at least... that's what their paranoid minds tell them.

whats your point james…

You already know my points don. You simply choose to ignore them.

it goes to show that the goverment likes to legalize addictive substaces so they can increase the price and still have buyers….that is why cigareetes are 8 dollars a pack. And they will only go up in price.

So what, if what you say is true and it's strictly about choice and freedom then you have the freedom to choose not to pay 8 dolars a day for a pack. But it isn't is it? It's all about trying to validate your addiction, Nothing more.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:41 pm ET

marijuana killed nobody alcohol and cigerettes kill millions……

So two wrongs make a right?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:48 pm ET

T you all it's all about... Well, they get to get away with it; why can't I?


Everett   March 28th, 2009 12:49 pm ET

Hey CNN,

You guys really should really be moderating this better. How can we have a discussion with this going on?


don   March 28th, 2009 12:52 pm ET

haha you clearly cannot see both sides of a topic, and THE CONSUMTPION OF MARIJUAN CAN NOT KILL ANYBODY RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE LOOK IT UP, HONESTLY.
The deaths that are being caused is over money, our money. that is simply the point our money is getting people killed. because of the whole process of marijuana being sent here by druglords.....

JAMES IT APPEARS YOU ARE IN THE DRUGLORDS SIDE, because you are treating this issu as a joke simply because you do not understand the seriousness of this topic. just because you are against somthing doesnt mean you are all knowing on the matter. i suggest you open your mind up to opinions and other options bcause i can see you reamin in a stressful uptight lifestyle. we all have ideas we just need to give our opinions.....the only opinion i ever hear about you is somthing about comparing marijuana to child sex acts and that is not only discusting that is a travesty to this whole topics...this is for intellectual reasoning between people, it is not a competition of what is right. its a real topic otherwise it would have not been brought up.......of course obama have alot to take care of as of now.....but clearly there are benefits to taking control over drug cartels robbing our hard earned money and leaving the country with it......


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:54 pm ET

All you have to do is join in Everett. got any useful facts or were you planning on following the rest of the sheeple and just posting crap based on crap?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 12:56 pm ET

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 27th, 2009 7:53 pm ET

Alcohol,That shouldnt’ be legal either. The government just caved in on that and for the same useless reasons you potheads preach. Cigarettes. Again, no arguement there. Stop that cancerstick as well.

I speak from experience. An experience that is unchanging and unflinching across the board.

But here, let me point it out in terms that offend you enough to get it…

Why not legalize the child sextrade? The Government can tax the young Hookers and pimps, and help stabelize our economy. The only reason these pimps have to get so violent is because they have to hide what they’re proud of; exploiting a baser instinct to the detriment of the people involved and society as a whole. But hey, if we legalized it… no harm, no foul right?

Put that in your bong and smoke it.


don   March 28th, 2009 1:07 pm ET

ok yeah all of our facts are crap!!!!

james believes all the (real) facts...like 1 joint worth of tar is equal to 5 cigarettes......yeah that is a false one tehy use on tv and in school all the time...it is obviously a lie......if you measured the amount of tar in 1 tobbaco cigarette, i would be equal to at least 20 joints, conidering they add hundreds of chemicals.....think about it man.....why do u think you have little to no support, it is obious what is better for you...are you saying it is good the government and cigareete companies lie to us about the truths of marijuana.....to benefit their sales.....i mean cancer is huge now, im shure cigarettes are one of the biggest helps to lung cancer rates rising.....i think that is horrible that facts on marijuana get falsified all day, especially on TV. i guess more people are switching over to marijuana rather than risking their life smoking tobbaco, which only bring a strong addiction that its very hard to beat. i do also appreciate the commercials that also show the damages of cigarettes, that helps the younger people from never starting and helps the old people quit so their lungs do not look like that

i sugest you stop getting your facts from TV. they tend to deem false


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 12:52 pm ET

haha you clearly cannot see both sides of a topic,

Actually haha I clearly do.

and THE CONSUMTPION OF MARIJUANA CAN NOT KILL ANYBODY RESEARCH HAS BEEN DONE LOOK IT UP, HONESTLY.

Once again you completley miss the point.

The deaths that are being caused is over money, our money. that is simply the point our money is getting people killed. because of the whole process of marijuana being sent here by druglords…..

The deaths that are beign caused is over stupidity liek the many arguemetns you've psoted here. Nothingmore than diatribe after diatribe.

JAMES IT APPEARS YOU ARE IN THE DRUGLORDS SIDE, because you are treating this issu as a joke simply because you do not understand the seriousness of this topic.

Actaully I understand it perfectly. I also understand that like bush saying that if you weren't with him you were with the terrorists, you have created a false dichotomy. Which shows a complete lack of understanding of the issue you claim I have a lack of understanding of. The real seriousness is in the fact that you're so oblivious to oyur own stupidity. that's the real tragedy. you complain abotu all the cartels wantign our money, yet, you're happy to keep throwing money after crap to fill your lungs and miserabel existance with. Stop buying crap and the problem will go away. What? Are the cartels going to stand by and babysit you with a gun to oyur head and say smoke up? Of course not. Tha't jsut oen reason oyur arguements fail so miserably.

just because you are against somthing doesnt mean you are all knowing on the matter.

Actually, I never said that, adn that shows yet agian how misinformed you are. I speak from experience, and my experience si sadly vast and varied. I dont' have to know everythign about fire either to know to keep my bare hands out of it. this is jsut common sense stuff man.

i suggest you open your mind up to opinions and other options bcause i can see you reamin in a stressful uptight lifestyle.

Not at all. I'm relaxed, confident, intelligent.... what ever gave you that idea? I'm just not so open minded I've allowed my brains to fall out liek you all have.

we all have ideas we just need to give our opinions…..the only opinion i ever hear about you is somthing about comparing marijuana to child sex acts and that is not only disgusting that is a travesty to this whole topics…

It sure is don. It's a travesty you're still blind to the similarities of the two acts. both are a useless self gratification that completely disregards common sense and consideration fo others, and that is often the source of violence and mental instability. Both use arguemetns that completely miss the point. For example, you saying that marijuana never killed anyoen but cigarettes and alcohol kill millions is like a child molester saying, sex never killed anyone but AIDS and unrotected sex sure has... it just deosnt' maek sense.

this is for intellectual reasoning between people, it is not a competition of what is right. its a real topic otherwise it would have not been brought up…

Pfft show me the intellectuals among oyu. Youre right though it isnt' a competeition. And I know you desperately need for ity to be a real topic, but it's not. It's jsut more self gratification seeking by stoners.

….of course obama have alot to take care of as of now…..but clearly there are benefits to taking control over drug cartels robbing our hard earned money and leaving the country with it……

Stop givign them the easy opportunitty. Just stop buying their crap.


don   March 28th, 2009 1:12 pm ET

this is no laughing matter clearly you ar immature and miss the seriousness....and who cares if u think alcohol should be illegal...that is why you have no experience in politics....NEWSFLASH james alcohol is legal and so are cigarettes, so should marijuana.....it is called human rights.....if you personally think that we should have our human rights impeded on to the point where every single person in the U.S. would be in jail....start thinking brother you have been making this way to easy for days hahaha i mean back yourslef up brother


don   March 28th, 2009 1:14 pm ET

i suggest you move to a country with a dictatorship, because it seems that you want the government to think for you....


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:15 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 1:07 pm ET

ok yeah all of our facts are crap!!!!

Now don, there's no need to pout because I'm right and your'e wrong. Just admit it, learn from it, and move on dude.

james believes all the (real) facts…like 1 joint worth of tar is equal to 5 cigarettes……yeah that is a false one tehy use on tv and in school all the time…it is obviously a lie……if you measured the amount of tar in 1 tobbaco cigarette, i would be equal to at least 20 joints, conidering they add hundreds of chemicals…..think about it man…..why do u think you have little to no support, it is obious what is better for you…

See, there oyu go putting words into my mouth again... how convenient for oyu.

are you saying it is good the government and cigareete companies lie to us about the truths of marijuana…..to benefit their sales

Hmmmm, lets see, maybe if I use your own absurd tactic against you, you'll start to get it... got proof?

…..i mean cancer is huge now, im shure cigarettes are one of the biggest helps to lung cancer rates rising…..i think that is horrible that facts on marijuana get falsified all day, especially on TV.

Oh ya, well of course don, it's alll lies. Everyoen is out to get the innocent pot smokers. 🙄

i guess more people are switching over to marijuana rather than risking their life smoking tobbaco,

Are tehy don? really? Got any facts to back that up?

which only bring a strong addiction that its very hard to beat. i do also appreciate the commercials that also show the damages of cigarettes, that helps the younger people from never starting and helps the old people quit so their lungs do not look like that

i sugest you stop getting your facts from TV. they tend to deem false

Except those cigarette commercials that you appreciate ight? 😉 🙄 those are true, btu everythign else is false. 😆 😆


don   March 28th, 2009 1:18 pm ET

maybe if your lucky you can find one of the countries we outsource to, so you can see how other countries treat their people


johnstark   March 28th, 2009 1:19 pm ET

I'm surprised everyone let James from Kamiah off with comparing legalizing cannabis the the child sex trade.
One is a choice about a personal habit, the other is attacking and victimizing another person.
Common sense says the first is not a crime, the second one is.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:22 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 1:12 pm ET

this is no laughing matter clearly you ar immature and miss the seriousness….

Of course it's a laughing matter. What you propose is a frickin joke. Clearly YOU miss the seriousness of it.

and who cares if u think alcohol should be illegal…that is why you have no experience in politics….NEWSFLASH james alcohol is legal and so are cigarettes,

Gee thanks captain obvious why whoda thuink with all the liquor stores on teh rezervation and smokeshops that it would all be legal. Dee dee dee. I dont' have experience in politics huh? What a hoot.

so should marijuana…

No, it shouldn't. that's just silly.

..it is called human rights…..

Bwah ha ha ha ha ha ha Now your'e attempting to connect it to human rights... ya, cause you potheads are so snslaved and oppressed and forced to work 18 hours a day for .10 cents. Ha ha ha ha ha! 😆

if you personally think that we should have our human rights impeded on to the point where every single person in the U.S. would be in jail….start thinking brother you have been making this way to easy for days hahaha i mean back yourslef up brother

Ha ha ha ha ha right, cause that's what I've been doing picking on poor opressed you. You really are daft man. get a clue. Easy how? It isnt' liek youre' even close to winning this little debate we're having. not by a long shot. Once again it isnt' abotu human rights don it's about oyur lack of good judgement and common sense. It's about you protecting your stash.

don March 28th, 2009 1:14 pm ET

i suggest you move to a country with a dictatorship, because it seems that you want the government to think for you….

Oh right... if'n oyu ain't from round here you better just mosey along... and now I can succesfully compare you to a backwards A** redneck racist.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:24 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 1:18 pm ET

maybe if your lucky you can find one of the countries we outsource to, so you can see how other countries treat their people

Ya, cause living in Claifornia and goign down to TJ wasn't enough, or moving up here to kamiah, idaho and livign on the rex wasnt' enough. What a sad, sorry existance oyu must lead if oyu presume I am not aware of how other countries trerat their people. Shoot man, I cna go to compton to see what's happeneing to our own people.


don   March 28th, 2009 1:30 pm ET

im putting a fact in your mouth because you do not have any facts...there is two sides to every dipute ....you clearly dont get it.....have fun being dumb your entire life hahaha its not worth arguing with you because every message you leave is a joke...each time you comment you are stepping on your own feet making the anti marijuana movment a joke, i mean i have not felt like anything you said had achieved anything besides argument, i mean stupid arguments, pointless oness, you notice how nobody agrees with you here? show me one person who agrees with anything you say....oh yeah you cant......your too busy thinking your smart while you are hurting yourself in the proccess why do you think everybody was tearing you apart last night, the night before, because you cannot compete...all you do is EGO blast things......dont see 2 sides of anything, i would give you the satifaction of you outsmarting me if you had valid arguments to begin with hahaha but you dont so nobody has taken you serious, nobody is on your side either...maybe if you had valid arguments over the matter, people would see your views as pratical but you just yell and argue and act like a 10 year old....

BUT IT IS GOOD TO KNOW THE MATURE PEOPLE IN THIS BLOG SMOKE MARIJUANA, WHILE THE ANTI-MARIJUANA PEOPLE ARE ACTING LIKE IMMATURE WEENIES...HAHAHA ITS GREAT


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:32 pm ET

Hey, pothead gurus and spiritualists... you wanna be closer to god and or mother earth? go fishing, hiking, biking, or camping. You know, anti drugs.

You wanna stop the cartels? Dont' buy their crap.

You wanna smoke weed legallY? Move to the netherlands or Jamaica.

You want hemp products to be the products fo choice? stop smoking and start weaving.

You want marijuana to be given the okay for medicinal purposes? Stop pretending it's an enlightening path to the almighty imaginary friend, and see it for what it is; a drug.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 1:34 pm ET

Well, good morning 2 U all!!! ...or afternoon, to the mid-westerners and east coasters... Still at it, huh?


don   March 28th, 2009 1:35 pm ET

james you clearly dont know anything about marijuan why are you even on here?

how old are you aswell like 13?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:39 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 1:30 pm ET

im putting a fact in your mouth because you do not have any facts…

Oh? And jsut when was it exactly that I told you I beleive that 1 joint has the tar of 5 cigarettes? Dumba**

there is two sides to every dipute ….

Yep, and your'e clealry on the wrong side.

you clearly dont get it…..have fun being dumb your entire life hahaha its not worth arguing with you because every message you leave is a joke…

No, every post I leave is an offense and an affront to your pothead ways. What really hurts is oyu know I speak truth. Even in teh face of overwhelming ad populum.

each time you comment you are stepping on your own feet making the anti marijuana movment a joke, i mean i have not felt like anything you said had achieved anything besides argument, i mean stupid arguments, pointless oness, you notice how nobody agrees with you here?

I dont' care. I'm still going to correct you when you sepak false. I'm not here to get a date from any of oyu losers, just make sure you dont' corrupt anyoen else.

show me one person who agrees with anything you say….oh yeah you cant……your too busy thinking your smart while you are hurting yourself in the proccess why do you think everybody was tearing you apart last night, the night before, because you cannot compete…all you do is EGO blast things……

Nope. I was just correct and that hurts their feelings. Your'e all so wrapped up in your tiny little pot bubbles you dont' realize therre's a world outside your smoke filled dungeons. Here's soemthign... Noah was also vilified and laughed at by imbiciles, and he still won out in the end. 😉

dont see 2 sides of anything, i would give you the satifaction of you outsmarting me if you had valid arguments to begin with hahaha but you dont so nobody has taken you serious, nobody is on your side either…maybe if you had valid arguments over the matter, people would see your views as pratical but you just yell and argue and act like a 10 year old….

Well, if that aint' the pot calling the kettle black. As I stated before, the passive agressive pothead lashes out by superimposing his/her own inadequacies onto other people so he/she doens't have to deal with the shame of jsut being flat wrong.

BUT IT IS GOOD TO KNOW THE MATURE PEOPLE IN THIS BLOG SMOKE MARIJUANA, WHILE THE ANTI-MARIJUANA PEOPLE ARE ACTING LIKE IMMATURE WEENIES…HAHAHA ITS GREAT

WHAT'S REALLY GREAT IS HOW YOU ATTEMPT TO LINK MARIJUANA WITH SOME SORT OF PSEUDO INTELLIGENCE. THAT'S A LAUGH RIOT. HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!! :LOL: :LOL: :LOL:


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:41 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 1:35 pm ET

james you clearly dont know anything about marijuan why are you even on here?

Don, I CLEARLY know more than you do about marijuana; so, why are YOU even on here?

how old are you aswell like 13?

No Like Don Like I'm Like Not... I'm Like 35 Like... idiot.


tim   March 28th, 2009 1:41 pm ET

My goodness James. I can only see hatred comming out of your mouth. Also, God is not imaginary. I hope and pray you realize this before its too late for you. Spamming hatred does not help your cause.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:42 pm ET

*Snicker* Like 13 or some junk tee hee


don   March 28th, 2009 1:43 pm ET

marijuana will never go away it has been used by millions of cutures over millions of years......and we will continue to use it in the future.....if it is legal or not people are still gonna smoke it.....it is a natural plant that is hung and tried......i would rather smoke that than a plant called tobacco in which has chemicals sprayed upon it...a huge population of people use marijuana, more than you would ever think. i mean maybe people in idaho are into it...they prolly do meth like all the other farm states.....marijuana is used by millions everyday and that how it will always remain...legal or not. but the smart plan would be to legalize, considering the amount of people who use and the amount we could save our country rather than importing it


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 1:43 pm ET

its unfortunate to see that those that are opposed to freedom of choice still resort to name calling and bullying (James In Kamiah, Idaho). i wish you could open your eyes to this and see that we're creating criminals out of people who choose to smoke a harmless plant, ...... and to compare cannabis to sex trafficking is idiotic and irresponsible


don   March 28th, 2009 1:45 pm ET

act it 😉


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:45 pm ET

tim March 28th, 2009 1:41 pm ET

My goodness James. I can only see hatred comming out of your mouth.

My goodness tim what you see is glaringlogic as foreign as that may be to oyu.

Also, God is not imaginary.

Of course god is imaginary, even if oyur faith in the imaginary is real 😉

I hope and pray you realize this before its too late for you.

Too late?! Oh mygoodness, for what? the rapture and some junk? Ha ha ha ha ha.

Spamming hatred does not help your cause.

Speak for yourself looney bird.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:46 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 1:45 pm ET

act it

You first 😉


Maine Vocals   March 28th, 2009 1:46 pm ET

How long are you prohibitionists willing to support a failed system?
If you wan to stop the "Cartels", legalize and put them out of business.
Education is the Key to ending this refer madness era. Time to talk to everyone about this issue and hash it out!!!

We are launching a statewide referendum petition drive withiln 2 weeks in Maine for ending prohibition in our state, along side of a second initiative to fix our existing medical marijuana laws. If the total repeal of prohibition makes it the medical one wouldn't be needed.

Keep up the vocals everyone.

Don Christen
Madison ME


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:51 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 1:43 pm ET

marijuana will never go away it has been used by millions of cutures over millions of years…

Never said it was goign to. Only said it shouldnt' be legalized for recreational use.

…and we will continue to use it in the future…

As long as you dont' try to legalize it smoke, smolder burst into flames, jsut dont' exhale. I could care less taht you feel like getting arrested in your own home or out on the streets.

..if it is legal or not people are still gonna smoke it…

Just like child molesters are still going to molest children. You must be proud to be in such company

..it is a natural plant that is hung and tried……i would rather smoke that than a plant called tobacco in which has chemicals sprayed upon it…

So?

a huge population of people use marijuana, more than you would ever think.

Not rteally. It's pretty pervasive.

i mean maybe people in idaho are into it…they prolly do meth like all the other farm states…..

Yep. When youre' right youre' right, and meth an d marijuana go hand in hand in all states, faming or not. 😉

marijuana is used by millions everyday and that how it will always remain…

Gee don I gues sI can't fight the inevitable.... 😆 😆 ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!

legal or not. but the smart plan would be to legalize, considering the amount of people who use and the amount we could save our country rather than importing it

Or peopel could jsut stop using it and save oru economy more. 😆 😆 but oh well. You cna't fight your marijuana puppet master you weak sock puppet.


tim   March 28th, 2009 1:52 pm ET

Wow. Unbelieveable. Never met someone like you James. You are one of a kind.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 1:57 pm ET

tim March 28th, 2009 1:52 pm ET

Wow. Unbelieveable. Never met someone like you James. You are one of a kind.

Wow beleive it, and I am one among many who've jsut decided to speak up after years of right wing religious nuts calling the shots. It's our fault really. You feebs should have been done away with long ago.


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 1:57 pm ET

its unfortunate to see that those that are opposed to freedom of choice still resort to name calling and bullying (James In Kamiah, Idaho). i wish you could open your eyes to this and see that we’re creating criminals out of people who choose to smoke a harmless plant, …… and to compare cannabis to sex trafficking is idiotic and irresponsible


don   March 28th, 2009 2:00 pm ET

non-religious people have no idea how it feels to be religious, i always say you cannot experience somthing you doubt. god is real as night and day. but selfishness tends to make people think they are kooler than anybody else....that is how drunk people think, they think they are the best...when deep down they are clueless...same goes for sober people who are clueless. i suggest you dont doubt god,, or you may never understand religion. love and compassion are values that our fading in this society. Booze and sex seems to be the new love and compassion in this country. That is why im am not surprised how james feels, because people love arguing over mindless things, and james is no different than an other mindless "knowledgable" type


Helene   March 28th, 2009 2:03 pm ET

...I mean, he did admit to having done drugs... but never got into the details of which drugs he did. Like a reformed smoker, he's on the "better than thou" podium.

He should be tending to his daughter.... not vying for attention. Poor baby.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:05 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 2:00 pm ET

non-religious people have no idea how it feels to be religious,

Actually we do. It's liek ebign high, then the high coems dowen when reality hits. Iw as a jehovahs' witness and a chritian for many years until the hypocricy hit me.

i always say you cannot experience somthing you doubt. god is real as night and day.

No, god is as real as fodo and gandalf.

but selfishness tends to make people think they are kooler than anybody else….

See, now oyu're speaking form experience.

that is how drunk people think, they think they are the best…

Once again, speakign from experience I see

when deep down they are clueless…same goes for sober people who are clueless. i suggest you dont doubt god,,

Oh, I don't doubt. God doesn't exist. he's in your head.

or you may never understand religion. love and compassion are values that our fading in this society. Booze and sex seems to be the new love and compassion in this country.

Like Marijuana. Jsut useless self gratification.

That is why im am not surprised how james feels, because people love arguing over mindless things, and james is no different than an other mindless “knowledgable” type

Does not fempute


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:06 pm ET

I am tending to both, Liek Obama I can wlak and chew c=gunm at the same time. But you wouldnt' know about that. Right now your wet nurse is wiping the drool off your keyboard.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 2:08 pm ET

thanx, illegalsmile ...for that link. U rock 2!!!


tim   March 28th, 2009 2:09 pm ET

James, I dont want to make fun, Im just curious. Are you dyslexic?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:10 pm ET

and I'm listening... you sound like my little daughter when she's garbeling in her crib. So innocent and completley unaware fo the relaities of the world.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:11 pm ET

Not at all. Like I said, i just dont' care enough about you people to spell check


tim   March 28th, 2009 2:12 pm ET

If you dont care, why sooo many posts?


Helene   March 28th, 2009 2:13 pm ET

Hey Don! Good 2 "C" U2.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:13 pm ET

Oh, Icare baotu teh peopel who come here and read all this, jsut not peopel who center in on my typos as if it might turn into a valid arguement. 🙄


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:15 pm ET

Oh Like I know right? Liek you guys are like Tooootally above the fray... liek tooootally.


tim   March 28th, 2009 2:17 pm ET

Im not centering on your typos. I just noticed you always spell words the same, over and over again and they are all wrong. Is english a second language to you perhaps?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:17 pm ET

Anyways.. off to take care of that little girl you swear I'm neglecting...

Brother Grimace, Out.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:19 pm ET

tim March 28th, 2009 2:17 pm ET

Im not centering on your typos. I just noticed you always spell words the same, over and over again and they are all wrong. Is english a second language to you perhaps?

Of course you are. your'e jsut centering on the same typos ofver and over again, usually the word you. It's jsut bad eye hand coordination. But thanks for the false concern, and the pathetic attempt to say English si my second language. Idiot.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:21 pm ET

Americans for Safe Access (ASA) is the largest national member-based organization of patients, medical professionals, scientists and concerned citizens promoting safe and legal access to cannabis for therapeutic use and research. We work to overcome political and legal barriers by creating policies that improve access to medical cannabis for patients and researchers through legislation, education, litigation, grassroots actions, advocacy and services for patients and their providers. ASA has over 30,000 active members with chapters and affiliates in more than 40 states


tim   March 28th, 2009 2:21 pm ET

Such hatred. Im concerned about the people around you. I believe they are in danger. Ill pray for you.


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 2:22 pm ET

i think this blog got a little off topic. i just want to say that im happy that atleast the president and cnn are acknowleding that fact that this is a top issue to many people. in my opinion legalization is common sense but as long as people like james continue to turn a simple debate into a shouting match nothing can get accomplished


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:23 pm ET

tim March 28th, 2009 2:21 pm ET

Such hatred. Im concerned about the people around you. I believe they are in danger. Ill pray for you.

Dude I'd love that.. here's my addrss again so we cna pray together... I'm nto above humoring an idiot...

216 3rd street
kamiah, Idaho 83536


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:25 pm ET

It's easy to take cheap shots when your spine's attached to your mouse, but aska person to put their money where their mouth is and... well... you get guys like tim.

If oyu really feel that way, call the cops and make an anonymous tip, tehn, I'll get your email adress and from that your profile and IP Adress and then sue you for slander.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:26 pm ET

I'm well aware fo ASA and it's golas thanks Illegalsmile.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:27 pm ET

Finally he is logging off. Now can we have some intelligent conversation.

There are a few organizations I won't to tell you all about besides Americans for Safe Access. If he comes back, let's all agree to skip over his posts. They are DESIGNED to pisses us off so he can stop us from organizing this forum chat and exchanging info. PLEASE don't respond to him bu to each other, the best way to do it is SKIP his posts so nothing can divert you from your purpose which is to exchange IDEAS not insults.


tim   March 28th, 2009 2:27 pm ET

Slander. Wow. How do you get slander from concern?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:29 pm ET

Your concern isn't genuine, and if you would go so far as to salnder me with a tip to the police based on your oen misconceptions you deserve to be sued.


tim   March 28th, 2009 2:31 pm ET

Im sorry Illegalsmile, but this blog is dead and useless at this point. Should be some moderation, but there wasnt. Noone is ever going to read through all the garbage.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 2:32 pm ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 2:27 pm ET

Finally he is logging off. Now can we have some intelligent conversation.

I'm the only real intelligent conversation your'e getting on this blog Illegalsmile. it isnt' really a conversation if all youre' doign is stroking each others egos and coddling and enabling oyur'e own addictions. that's jsut parroting nonsense.

There are a few organizations I won’t to tell you all about besides Americans for Safe Access. If he comes back, let’s all agree to skip over his posts. They are DESIGNED to pisses us off so he can stop us from organizing this forum chat and exchanging info.

Not at all, my posts are designed to get you to actually think abotu what your'e advocating. you getting pissed off is jsut a pleasant side affect.

PLEASE don’t respond to him bu to each other, the best way to do it is SKIP his posts so nothing can divert you from your purpose which is to exchange IDEAS not insults.

Actaully that will only get me to correct every singel false misconception you post from here on in. I will go so far as to go to those links oyu post and correct them and you there as well.


don   March 28th, 2009 2:36 pm ET

as you keep up your A-hole addiction right james?


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:38 pm ET

SKIP his posts so nothing can divert you from your purpose which is to exchange IDEAS not insults.


don   March 28th, 2009 2:39 pm ET

just ignore james...let us discuss how montel brought up the fact that the federal government makes arrests on medicinal marijuana while, the government grows it for a desired number of people...the goverment grows it yet arrests people for state-wide legal use, now this is messed up!!


Charlotte   March 28th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

What a lot of wonderful comments. Clearly this blog and the CNN poll shows that the American people are in favor of legalization. I too resent having to be a patient to have access to marijuana. It is a violation of my freedom and – I worked hard to help President Obama get elected and do not expect him to make marijuana legalization his main focus-right now-but I too was really disappointed that he chose to laugh it off and actually came across as this not even having any validity. 2 weeks ago I attended a town hall meeting here in Portland, Oregon where we met with our states attorney general, a senator and a jr. legislature representative. Oregon NORML had representation there but when one of our members was called on and respectuflly and professionally asked the marijuana legalization question was told "that is not going to happen – and then the atty general gave a lavish speech on why he does not support legalization. Someone else tried to ask another marijuana question and was told we needed to " move to another topic" It was a waste of time to attend this. Politicians are very spineless and they know the revenue this would bring. All of them and I am afraid this includes President Obama, whom I admire and respect, are scared to death of the right wing conservatives. I am Catholic and there are many of us Christians of every religious group who are in favor of legalization. We too are spineless, we let this topic die when we are hushed up by politicians and do not organize enough events to promote and educate the public. I tried for a long time, I am getting old and feel it is time for people to get together and hold demonstrations – whatever needs to be done to make our voices done. We are truly a Nation of Sheep when it comes to this topic-come on folks-there are more of us out there than ones not in favor. Where are OUR spines?!!


don   March 28th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

yeah i agree, we will leave eventually he thrives off attention


samantha   March 28th, 2009 2:41 pm ET

CNN, please have a real discussion about legalizing both medicinal and recreational marijuana. And please moderate these discussion forums so that people with too much time on their hands, and possible mental health issues are not allowed to run the show. Thanks!


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 2:43 pm ET

SKIP his posts so nothing can divert you from your purpose which is to exchange IDEAS not insults.

Thanks Don, for the suggestion. I'd heard about this Compassionate Use thing the Feds are doinjg. Montell said it was a program based out of Mass. I wonder if its through Harvard MS. It began with 27 patients and is now down to 5, right?


don   March 28th, 2009 2:44 pm ET

lol nice sam 😉 i agree


tim   March 28th, 2009 2:44 pm ET

I agree samantha. CNN had the wrong guest and environment for this discussion.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 2:47 pm ET

While I totally support people being able to use this plant as a medicine, if they choose, I still believe FULL legalization is best.

This is a plant, not a drug, and it would help if we would all (myself included) stop calling it a drug.

I don't believe that the will of the majority of the people in this country is to make this plant only available through doctors.


don   March 28th, 2009 2:51 pm ET

yeah, i dont see how than can arrest people and hand people it at the same time...montel said it has been around 30 years..,..people are outraged....CNN makes the marijuana legalization look like a joke, as did the president, CNN just said that people are are outraged and are donating more money towards marijuana legalization organizations. "this is a subject that is divided down the middle" that is what is gonna make this tuff


itsokjustletgo   March 28th, 2009 2:57 pm ET

It is an herb. It is, as a medicine, nothing short of miraculous in the speed at which it works, and in the lack of negative effects.

As a recreational intoxicant, it is again miraculous. It wakes one up to the softer, more compassionate and soulful side of one's self. It has none of the negative effects that drugs like alcohal do. Alcohal only sparks my anger, never does it enlighten my more angelic side.

Cigarettes are legal, as are pharmaceutical drugs. I take offense at this, since it is the same to me as hearing my government, indeed, Obama himself, saying to me, "It is fine if you get cancer from second hand cigarette smoke. I don't care if you suffer from the side effects of your legally sanctioned pharmaceutical medications. Just don't touch that herb or I will throw your sleezy ass in jail."

The cigarette smoke from my next door neighbor comes into my apartment, sometimes it is so strong that i sleep with my blankets pulled over my head. My doctors have told me to stay away from that smoke, as i have had a punctured lung and have limited capacity. But my government says it is fine for my neighbor to poison me.

Obama, i don't blame you for wanting to joke around with the live audience at the town hall meeting. I don't blame you for not wanting to suffer the onslaught of the opposition if you were to come out in favor of common sense. That is because i have a strong tendency to want to please people and not make waves. BUT I DIDN'T RUN FOR PRESIDENT. STAND UP, OBAMA. I FRICKING VOTED FOR YOU. YOU WORK FOR ME!


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:00 pm ET

Don, I heard that too. NORML's on-line donations have tripled or something like that.

Linda, I believe in full legalization too. I think the drug war does more harm than the drugs will ever do. I don't use anymore but I fully support change in drug policy. Addiction is a health and social issue not a criminal one. And marijuana isn't even in that class. I don't think it's addictive to most. Addiction is defined as continuing to engage in a behavior that is causing sever dysfunction on your life and I just don’t see that with this *plant*, thanks for the reminder!

Tim, just help us clean things up by not responding! Did you watch the last debate between Ron Paul and Baldwin?


don   March 28th, 2009 3:07 pm ET

i dont see any benefits from harder drugs besides the drug cartel risk ending, i think the harder drugs could seriously mess lives up, but marijuana will casue far less harm than alcohol and cigarettes....lets get away from this whole cancer and liver damage epidemic


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:08 pm ET

Helene, I read your thank you and compliments. I appreciate them, thanks. What state do you live in? Are you one of the 13 that was medical MJ?


tfishasu   March 28th, 2009 3:12 pm ET

In my opinion I believe it would better our economy because people are always buying marijuana under the table and spending money on it all the time. If President Obama legalize it the economy could be better in a way. Why not legalize something that can make or system better to make everything right.


don   March 28th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

montel shure was heated about the gov. aided marijuana program...as well as he should be


Helene   March 28th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

Illegalsmile:

I watched the debate between Ron Paul and Baldwin... It was like watching an intelligent mind debate with doofas... Baldwin appears to be seeking a platform to gain center of attention... probably a competitive thing with his brothers... he needs to feel important... like he has something significant to say... but, I did not hear anything with substance come out of his mouth.... His main argument is that mj is a gateway drug.... guess that's his experience... not mine....

I wonder why CNN can't find anyone with a brain to argue the issue – other than that Hollywood wannabe Baldwin.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 3:19 pm ET

Illegalsmile:

I live in Southern California... originally from Cleveland.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:21 pm ET

Don, If we could take the criminality out of drug use and addiction we could cast a wider net of help to folks. It's an idea that I hope will be talked about more and more. I agree that harder drugs, such as heroin can really wreck lives. I would like to see treatment available for ALL who need and want it. Currently, it is very difficult to get treatment. Waiting lists are long, there are no detox centers, anymore, where I live and people can't get into treatment unless they are detoxed. It's a mess and services aer being cut all the time in favor of filling the prisons. I liked what you said about getting away from the cancer/liver damage. I read an idea that if marijuana were legal it would be a safer alternative to alcohol. I think that's a good point!


Helene   March 28th, 2009 3:27 pm ET

itsokjustletgo:

You can get an ionizer for your apartment to clean the air. That should do the trick.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:29 pm ET

gp1212 March 28th, 2009 1:57 pm ET

its unfortunate to see that those that are opposed to freedom of choice still resort to name calling and bullying (James In Kamiah, Idaho).

No, what's unfortunate is that you have misconstrued the notion of smoking a debilitating plant like marijuana and my arguemetns against that as beign some sort of attack on oyur freedom of choice. that's what's most unfortunate, and what is also most unfotunate is the blank willingness to simply accept false and/or slanted data to coddle your own addictive crutches.

i wish you could open your eyes to this and see that we’re creating criminals out of people who choose to smoke a harmless plant, ……

No, you're creating criminals by advocating that peopel engage in criminal acts against all logic and reason. My eyes are wide open thank you, now if you'll all just get out of that foggy haze that is your pot fille dlives maybe you'd begin to comprehend once a ain, oyu know liek a drunk coming out of a stupor.

and to compare cannabis to sex trafficking is idiotic and irresponsible

actually taht's one of the most responsible arguemetns made here as of yet. it's the only one that brings into focus the absurdity of the pro pot movement. It is neither idiotic nro irresponsible, but your continued denials and self delusions are... especially when you bring such false justification to on open online blog that young impressionabel youth are likely reading.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:30 pm ET

Helene, I live in So Cal too! A native. I felt the same way about the Paul/Baldwin debate. It was like watching a train wreck. I can't believe CNN had him back for round two with Montell. It seems so calculated! There has to be an expert somewhere, right? It has to be pissing off the anti-MJ people!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:33 pm ET

gp1212 March 28th, 2009 2:22 pm ET

i think this blog got a little off topic. i just want to say that im happy that atleast the president and cnn are acknowleding that fact that this is a top issue to many people.

Nope,. just to pot smokers. the only reason it's even beign discussed now is because the pro pot lobby spent thousands of man hours callign and emailing their supporters to get in on the conversation... li9ek stephen colbert did to get hsi name in consideration for naming one of the nodes on teh space station.

in my opinion legalization is common sense but as long as people like james continue to turn a simple debate into a shouting match nothing can get accomplished

Actually, It was don who engaged in teh shouting match. i simpley shouted back. And your opinion is liek the dirty diaper I jsut cleaned... full of crap. Legalization is the polar opposite of common sense.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:34 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 2:36 pm ET

as you keep up your A-hole addiction right james?

No comparison don. None at all.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:36 pm ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 2:38 pm ET

SKIP his posts so nothing can divert you from your purpose which is to exchange IDEAS not insults.

Actually skipping over my posts will keep oyu as ignorant as you were when you first cam on here. But hey, whatever floats your sinking boat. Ignoring the problem jsut makes it go away, right? 😉 😆


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:38 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 2:39 pm ET

just ignore james…let us discuss how montel brought up the fact that the federal government makes arrests on medicinal marijuana while, the government grows it for a desired number of people…the goverment grows it yet arrests people for state-wide legal use, now this is messed up!!

There's nothing messed up abotu it. Illegalsmiel would agree because that's where here strongest arguement lies. In the research of marijuana for medical purposes.


Enraged in America   March 28th, 2009 3:39 pm ET

I am simply OUTRAGED by Obama's comment! ENRAGED! What the hell is it going to take to get a freaking dialogue in this country? People think this was the work of "trolls"? Really? Does Obama really think that this former conservative voted his butt into office to triple the deficit? Does he really think I voted him in to give billions of dollars to enormous, reckless finacial institutions to pay for their screw-ups and lavish bonuses? Let me be really clear... NO I DID NOT!

I voted this guy in SOLEY on the "outrage" he expressed with the War on Drugs, his promise to reform it, and his promise to leave medical marijuana states alone. Now, he laughs at us and raids another dispensary! Does he think we're just stoned, stupid and helpless? Does he realize just how many people voted his scrawny little butt into office primarily on this single issue? Apparently he does not. He should be reminded.

You know, he could have handled the situation in any number of ways... he could have at least taken the questions seriously, acknowledged that there's an issue and let us know, gently, that this was perhaps not yet the time to address this situation. But noooo, he had to go and LAUGH at us... demean us, and use us as the butt of his jokes! That's ok, no problem, now we know where you really stand, Mr. "President". If this has 10% of the effect on others that it had on me, it should result in a firestorm. It just got me ****** off and ready to fight now.

I'm tired of living in a prison state, and now they're going to be rolling in the military down to our border... bringing a new Irag War to Texas. Yep folks, no one has the ***** to say it's our government's policies that's causing the bloodbath in Mexico. Noooo, it's all the stoner's fault. Anderson Cooper, that little weasel, even had the gall to ask a Cartel member in an interview whether American stoner's had blood their hands. Blood on our hands?!? He made the Cartel guy look like he was the victim! WTF?!? This guy is killing, torturing whole families(by his OWN admission), and it's our fault?

I am raging now.... WAKE UP people, let's get out of the shadows and get this thing organized. They are NOT going to take us seriously until we have a REAL political presence. I think this snowball is just starting to roll, folks. They haven't heard the last out of us yet! Thanks PResident Obama, for disclosing your true self. Thanks for nothing... liar.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:40 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

yeah i agree, we will leave eventually he thrives off attention

Ya, that's likely 🙄


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:42 pm ET

samantha March 28th, 2009 2:41 pm ET

CNN, please have a real discussion about legalizing both medicinal and recreational marijuana. And please moderate these discussion forums so that people with too much time on their hands, and possible mental health issues are not allowed to run the show. Thanks!

Good Idea samantha... let's start with don and tim. they both beleive their imaginary friend is waiting for them in a magical kingdom.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:45 pm ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 2:47 pm ET

While I totally support people being able to use this plant as a medicine, if they choose, I still believe FULL legalization is best.

And you are wrong in your beliefs.

This is a plant, not a drug, and it would help if we would all (myself included) stop calling it a drug.

It is a drug and a plant.

I don’t believe that the will of the majority of the people in this country is to make this plant only available through doctors.

Once again, see what you get for thinking


Helene   March 28th, 2009 3:47 pm ET

Illegalizesmile:

...yeah.... the "round 2" debate dumbfounded me, as well. They were both train wrecks.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 3:47 pm ET

It is definitely time for Baldwin's view to stop being labeled as the "Christian" or right wing view.

There are many Republicans, as well as Democrats, who support full legalization, we need to stick together on this issue.

We also need to debunk the theory that everyone who wants freedom in regard to marijuana is not an addict, for most, this is just a small part of their lives.

Self discipline must be promoted, not just about this subject, but in general, for a balanced life.

If we make a habit of not using moderation in any area of our life, it is our own responsibility, the rest of the country should not be subjected to restrictive laws because we do not behave ourselves.


Education Needed   March 28th, 2009 3:48 pm ET

He laughed because Pot makes you giggle...if you smoke it... perhaps he was having a giggle remembering the last time he toked... seemed his audience also had fond memories from their days in college.

What is not funny is the industrial uses of the Cannabis plant - he and later his press secretary mocked the fact that the questions were in the "Green Jobs" section of the Q & A... that is real sign of ignorance on the subject of the Cannabis plant.

Does he not know that the War on Drugs has also claimed industrial Hemp and the US Textile industry as it's victims as well?

As the US Farming Industry struggles to survive, one of the most beneficial plants that we could grow in the US - Hemp - is still banned because it is closely related to the smoking type of Cannabis. Farmers in the northern US can see fields of it growing across the border in Canada - approx. 50,000 acres per year in the short Canadian growing season. Then 70% of the non-psychoactive harvest is sent to the US Market, mostly in the form of nutritional supplements.

In 1943 the US almost instantly grew 350,000 acres of Hemp for the War Effort when fiber supplies from the Philippines were cut off by the Japanese.

With advances in technology, Hemp has also become viable as a Biofuel as well as a superior fiber source for paper and textiles.

Some estimates indicate that up to 1000 gallons of methanol can be produced from a single acre of Hemp in one year. Approx. 5% of the US planted in Hemp would eliminate our need for Foreign Oil and create untold "Green Jobs".

Do some research before you just laugh it off, Mr. Obama... Cannabis is not just for smokin' and taxin'.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 3:50 pm ET

Whoops! I meant "Illegalsmile"... not Illegalizesmile... sorry about that.

Yeah... I just moved from L.A. to the Inland Empire... needed to clear my head, do some Soul Searching and get out of the traffic, for a while.


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 3:51 pm ET

james, how can you keep telling people that legalization is wrong simply because you say so. after reading some of these comments you are clearly in the minority. if cannabis is as bad as you seem to think it is then prove it. show me some evidence. just because you dont agree with it isnt convincing anyone.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:53 pm ET

itsokjustletgo, It is an herb. It could be, as a medicine, nothing short of miraculous in the speed at which it works, and in the lack of agressive side affects.

As a recreational intoxicant, it is again miraculous. It wakes one up to the softer, more compassionate and soulful side of one’s self. It has none of the negative effects that drugs like alcohal do. Alcohal only sparks my anger, never does it enlighten my more angelic side.

There's your problem. there is no angelic side as there is no angels. It isnt' a miracle that drives your feeligns from getting high, btu a set of chemicla reactiosn throught the brain and body that make you feel listless and uninhibited. It clouds your mind and negatively affects your judgement,. making oyu prone to even greater affronteries to yourself and others. Alcohol is no better.

Cigarettes are legal, as are pharmaceutical drugs. I take offense at this, since it is the same to me as hearing my government, indeed, Obama himself, saying to me, “It is fine if you get cancer from second hand cigarette smoke. I don’t care if you suffer from the side effects of your legally sanctioned pharmaceutical medications. Just don’t touch that herb or I will throw your sleezy ass in jail.”

And I would agree. get rid of Cigarettes too. Goodness knows I'd prefer to have my grnadmother here rahter than the memory of her lung and liver cancer. All fine arguemetns agaisnt alcohol and cigarettes, but still noen that show anyoen of any true intelligence that legalizing marijuana would be any better.

The cigarette smoke from my next door neighbor comes into my apartment, sometimes it is so strong that i sleep with my blankets pulled over my head. My doctors have told me to stay away from that smoke, as i have had a punctured lung and have limited capacity. But my government says it is fine for my neighbor to poison me.

Sad isn't it? You should lobby against the sales of tobacco, instead fo for the legalization of marijuana.

Obama, i don’t blame you for wanting to joke around with the live audience at the town hall meeting. I don’t blame you for not wanting to suffer the onslaught of the opposition if you were to come out in favor of common sense. That is because i have a strong tendency to want to please people and not make waves. BUT I DIDN’T RUN FOR PRESIDENT. STAND UP, OBAMA. I FRICKING VOTED FOR YOU. YOU WORK FOR ME!

Well, that's just absurd. Why would he want to do somethign he doesn't believe in, no matter how much tyou want him to?


Linda   March 28th, 2009 3:57 pm ET

The Larry King show is watched by mainstream America, a productive part of society, which is not in any way addicted to marijuana. The fact that 80% of the people taking the poll support legalization is telling.

This plant should not be illegal just because a few people do not discipline themselves with it, any more than food should be illegal because a some people don't discipline themselves with that, either.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 3:57 pm ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 3:00 pm ET

Don, I heard that too. NORML’s on-line donations have tripled or something like that.

And the cartels are certainly appreciating your donations to their cause. Good on ya stoners. Good on ya.

Linda, I believe in full legalization too. I think the drug war does more harm than the drugs will ever do. I don’t use anymore but I fully support change in drug policy. Addiction is a health and social issue not a criminal one. And marijuana isn’t even in that class. I don’t think it’s addictive to most. Addiction is defined as continuing to engage in a behavior that is causing sever dysfunction on your life and I just don’t see that with this *plant*, thanks for the reminder!

Once again, it's a plant and a drug. Teh drug war has doen wonders actually. And will continue to do so as long as you dopes dont' get a say.

Tim, just help us clean things up by not responding!

Yes, by all means, cause you responding tim and anyoen else is what brings me here... the pleasure fo your idiotic responses. 🙄 😆

Did you watch the last debate between Ron Paul and Baldwin?

Two dopes having a doep off with watered down data.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 3:57 pm ET

Linda, I've been reading your posts with interest. I'm grateful for a Christian right person who explorers the common ground! Though both extreme lefts and rights can lose sight of it, you haven't and I admire that. Like you, I want a society strenghtgened by the weight of its choices and the consequences of those choices.


don   March 28th, 2009 3:58 pm ET

gp excatly what i tried to tell him nice!


Finally!!!   March 28th, 2009 3:59 pm ET

Legalization, regulation and licensing of drug distribution is the only way to deprive criminals, cartels and terrorists of billions of dollars. And the only way to protect children from premature exposure to drug use.

Today, drugs are distributed by abusers, addict dealers and gangsters. All of whom have a vested interest in growing their market to new generations. None of whom share society's morals and ethics about preventing children from getting drugs. In a legal and regulated market distribution system the profits, morals and ethics of drug sales will come under responsible adult supervision. For the first time in American history.

Although they will try, it will be hard for members of Congress to continue ignoring the root cause of the problem – drug prohibition.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 4:01 pm ET

gp1212, Please do not feed the troll.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 4:01 pm ET

Linda... it is refreshing to hear someone as deeply religious as your Self raise awareness that not all right wing Christians believe mj is evil. It's nice to know.

I happen to be Jewish... but, not religious... just into extreme spirituality.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:02 pm ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 3:15 pm ET

Illegalsmile:

I watched the debate between Ron Paul and Baldwin… It was like watching an intelligent mind debate with doofas…

Yet another sign of oyur ignorance. Baldwins heart is in the right place, but his arguementative skills are otu to lunch. Ron Paul is an idiot savant is all. It's liek watchign soemone's grandfather try to connect.

Baldwin appears to be seeking a platform to gain center of attention… probably a competitive thing with his brothers… he needs to feel important… like he has something significant to say… but, I did not hear anything with substance come out of his mouth…. His main argument is that mj is a gateway drug…. guess that’s his experience… not mine….

He may have not been very articulate, but he was certainly better informed than half the lot of oyu.

I wonder why CNN can’t find anyone with a brain to argue the issue – other than that Hollywood wannabe Baldwin.

Again, right, cause he so seeks your aproval 🙄


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 4:06 pm ET

gp1212, Have you seen some of the great studies they are doing on the benefits of marijuana as medicine? they are making huge strides and it's very exciting. Every week there's something new coming out! Americans for Safe Access.org keeps very current info. Check it out!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:06 pm ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 3:21 pm ET

Don, If we could take the criminality out of child sexual abuse and sex addiction we could cast a wider net of help to folks. It’s an idea that I hope will be talked about more and more. I agree that more abusive sexual acts, such as beastiality can really wreck lives. I would like to see treatment available for ALL who need and want it. Currently, it is very difficult to get treatment. Waiting lists are long, there are no sexual rehabilitation centers, anymore, where I live and people can’t get into treatment unless they are sexually rehabilitated. It’s a mess and services are being cut all the time in favor of filling the prisons. I liked what you said about getting away from the cancer/liver damage. I read an idea that if marijuana were legal it would not be a safer alternative to alcohol, but that it makes sex better. I think that’s a good point!

aaaaand once again your point is lost


Herb Skew   March 28th, 2009 4:10 pm ET

I believe all Western countries should use their respective legislative frameworks to legalize all drugs. It will also end these type of conflicts [viz Afghanistan and Mexico] and will make them a thing of the past. It is not utopian to think such a thing [the brilliant Christopher Hitchens has also commented on the stupidity of most Western Countries depending on Turkey for growing their opium when Afghanistan produces approx 90% of the world's supply] and can work if legislated properly [in terms of fairness to producers, and safeguards against commercial abuse as well as support systems and education to prevent widespread misuse]. This way the state will be in control of the supply and will technically have more accurate information on the scale of the demand. It will also force the profit out of illegal operations, like cartelism[which still goes on in legitimate business, too!] In the long term, it'll force them to look at the legitimate aspects of the trade they are in. This selective policy of legalizing one or two drugs[like alcohol or tobacco] for tax purposes and not others is crazy. All drugs are potentially dangerous [including those the medics prescribe for you and ones you can get over the counter], but we know that police forces do not follow the statistics[they're only slowly realizing this in the UK] – they do not look at the death rates from [for example] taking methamphetamine compared to cigarettes [though most hardened users tend to smoke and take other substances, also, which adds problems to this "either/or" analysis legislators tend to use as a measure]. Moreover, the police are fearing for budget cuts for all these so-called drug enforcement teams[they could be retrained as educators instead, but that might be too forward thinking]. The escalating conflict in Mexico between cartels and the state is further proof that we know that it can be easily remedied by legalization [they should look what the Romans done – it wasn't their drug laws that ruined them, but barbarian invaders right?] In the UK, the vast majority of our politicians are completely ignorant of these things[they have not commented much on what is happening in Mexico; they don't even understand the importance of the platform G20 can provide to engage with the populace either to reinvigorate political trust]; they are all part of an isolated "political" class, as most have never worked outside of politics; many usually have shares in alcohol and tobacco – so they have a vested interest in keeping things as they are. They, also, are unable to look outside the perimeters of the existing system [of a capitalist-"democracy"] and it is a shame Obama seems to be fearful of the same constraints – despite proclaiming the death of the left and right in American Politics, when he was elected as President. If he is a true innovator – and a centralist – as he claims he wants to find ideas that work, then surely he would look into all possibilities and not play the old-fashioned rhetoric game with his electorate. I hope this is not another superficial attempt by all political entities to just laugh off and "highlight" the debate, hoping it'll go away. Well done Larry, though, for seriously discussing this and for giving it the time, as your show gets real global attention.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:10 pm ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 3:47 pm ET

It is definitely time for Baldwin’s view to stop being labeled as the “Christian” or right wing view. There are many Republicans, as well as Democrats, who support full legalization, we need to stick together on this issue.

Like Nazis and neo-nazis and gang members adn cartels. Stick together, there's safety in numbers.

We also need to debunk the theory that everyone who wants freedom in regard to marijuana is not an addict, for most, this is just a small part of their lives.

How's that workin out for ya? 😉

Self discipline must be promoted, not just about this subject, but in general, for a balanced life.

Like eating frosted flakes is part fo a balanced diet. theyr'e grrrrreat!

If we make a habit of not using moderation in any area of our life, it is our own responsibility, the rest of the country should not be subjected to restrictive laws because we do not behave ourselves.

And yet here we are... hmmm wonder how that happened. By the way, oyu do know that Marijuana and moderation is a myth right?


itsokjustletgo   March 28th, 2009 4:13 pm ET

CNN, can you tell me why you will not approve my comments, but continue to let James from Idaho have his soap box? I am really beginning to wonder about your moderator's position on this topic. They should try and remain neutral.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:17 pm ET

gp1212 March 28th, 2009 3:51 pm ET

james, how can you keep telling people that legalization is wrong simply because you say so.

Oh it isnt' wrong simply because I say so, but becasue facts poitn us in that direction. Look at the arguements for it and you see the galring arguemetns agaisnt it. Too many people overlook the fact taht Marijuana is so dangerous precisely because it has so few immediate noticabel side affects. that's the allure.

after reading some of these comments you are clearly in the minority.

So are gays, shoudl we not allow them to marry because they happen to be in the minority? Again, your arguemetn fails oyu.

if cannabis is as bad as you seem to think it is then prove it. show me some evidence. just because you dont agree with it isnt convincing anyone.

Cannabis sativa, Marijuana is bad based on common observation. I quote a comedian here when I say... peopel voted for Bush based on the notion he was someone they wanted to have a beer with.... You potheads are argueing the same but that it's Obama and Marijuana... go to one of oyur local pot parties... see any presidents there?

Why not? Because Marijuana alters the mind and produces nothign but layabout after layabout whos'e only real concern is gettign teh rest of us to validate their addiction and justify their crutch.


tim   March 28th, 2009 4:19 pm ET

I have a chronic illness that will never go away. I suffer with pain and inflammation everyday. Pain medication does help with pain management, but Ohio law forbids use of narcotic medication for more then one year. Not to mention the pain meds have horrible side effects such as cramping, constipation, stomach ulcers, and the list goes on. So, my choice is, smoke pot or suffer considerable pain. I will never commit suicide, although, the pain is sometimes so intense that I wish I were dead. If someone says I am wrong to smoke based on their personal beliefs, I say they are cruel and sadistic.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:21 pm ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 3:57 pm ET

The Larry King show is watched by mainstream America, a productive part of society, which is not in any way addicted to marijuana. The fact that 80% of the people taking the poll support legalization is telling.

Yes, its' telling that the pot lobby is watching and sending it's dreadnaughts here, to participate in polls. Liek their own "grass" roots movement. 😉

This plant should not be illegal just because a few people do not discipline themselves with it, any more than food should be illegal because a some people don’t discipline themselves with that, either.

You present a false analogy. Food does not adversly affect judgement. true, peopel shoudl eat in moderation, which is why a drug taht causes teh Munchies should not be encouraged.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:23 pm ET

Please do not feed the troll.

Thansk Illegalsmile. I'll rememebr that, troll.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:24 pm ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 4:01 pm ET

Linda… it is refreshing to hear someone as deeply religious as your Self raise awareness that not all right wing Christians believe mj is evil. It’s nice to know.

I happen to be Jewish… but, not religious… just into extreme spirituality.

Oh, so that's what theyr'e calling goign on a pot induced coma binge these days. nice.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:26 pm ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 4:06 pm ET

gp1212, Have you seen some of the great studies they are doing on the benefits of marijuana as medicine? they are making huge strides and it’s very exciting. Every week there’s something new coming out! Americans for Safe Access.org keeps very current info. Check it out!

Yes, its' a great site to learn how recreational marijuana use has nothing whatsoever to do with legitimate medicla research of marijuana. Check it out.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 4:30 pm ET

Everett –

I mentioned yesterday Jefferson smoked it, and encouraged its cultivation, as did many of the forefathers who built our nation.

The Book, "The Great Book of HEMP" by Rowan Robinson goes into detail about that.... and Illegalsmile mentioned a website that takes a historical view...

I think most folks would be shocked to know the that criminalization of pot is a recent law in our nation's development (or lack of it) - and was initiated by lobbyists whose vested interests were in tobacco and alcohol.

...kind of like the folks who created "EQUAL" (the sweetener – that causes headaches and other brain-related problems) got the government to outlaw stevia as a sweetener, because it presented too much competition in the marketplace.... they had deep pockets and got their way. Although, things are changing on that front, too.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 4:35 pm ET

Illegalsmile and Helene, thanks for your encouraging comments.

I have been both a Democrat and a Republican, and have found that there are some Christian views in both parties.

As a Christian, I believe that God made plants, and that none of them, in their natural state, without having anything added to them, should be illegal.

Obama ran a campaign based on personal discipline and personal responsibility, and I completely agree.

People are well able control themselves, some just choose not to do so, and legalization will have no effect on this whatsoever.

People who DON'T responsibly control themselves already ARE NOT. People who DO responsibly control themselves already ARE.

Each individual may also decide to change from one catagory to the other of their own free will.


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 4:35 pm ET

ok james, since youre so informed on everything, how would you fix this drug war? i can see youre against legalization. how do plan on curbing the publics demand for cannabis that has been going on for thousands of years? arresting people doesnt seem to be working.


Chris Zimny   March 28th, 2009 4:39 pm ET

While I think that it would bring tons of money into the government, and take that same amount of money from the profits of drug dealers, we still shouldn't have a doped up America...


Everett   March 28th, 2009 4:41 pm ET

@ Helene

Yeah. The tyrants who initially caused this mess were Anslinger, Nixon, Regan and the Bush's.

I can cut everyone after Nixon a little slack, I guess.

That does't excuse the fact that they stuck their heads in the sand and helped perpetuate this mess by allowing anti-drug groups to lie and create dissention in our communities for all these years, though.

Anti-drug groups have caused more damge to our society than Marijuana use ever could have. (or ever will)


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:44 pm ET

tim March 28th, 2009 4:19 pm ET

I have a chronic illness that will never go away. I suffer with pain and inflammation everyday. Pain medication does help with pain management, but Ohio law forbids use of narcotic medication for more then one year. Not to mention the pain meds have horrible side effects such as cramping, constipation, stomach ulcers, and the list goes on. So, my choice is, smoke pot or suffer considerable pain. I will never commit suicide, although, the pain is sometimes so intense that I wish I were dead. If someone says I am wrong to smoke based on their personal beliefs, I say they are cruel and sadistic.

YA! Damn those sadistic pharmaceuticla companies. 😉


tim   March 28th, 2009 4:46 pm ET

Im speaking to you James.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:49 pm ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 4:35 pm ET

Illegalsmile and Helene, thanks for your encouraging comments. I have been both a Democrat and a Republican, and have found that there are some Christian views in both parties. As a Christian, I believe that God made plants, and that none of them, in their natural state, without having anything added to them, should be illegal.

Sory, we can't rely on your imaginary friend to get us all through this.

Obama ran a campaign based on personal discipline and personal responsibility, and I completely agree.

People are well able control themselves, some just choose not to do so, and legalization will have no effect on this whatsoever.

Of course it will. it already does, You dope are here en mass already extolign the virtues of a drug that takes away all sense of responsibility and accoutnability.

People who DON’T responsibly control themselves already ARE NOT. People who DO responsibly control themselves already ARE. Each individual may also decide to change from one catagory to the other of their own free will.

"Ican quit anytime I want to... I just dont' want to" 😉


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:50 pm ET

tim March 28th, 2009 4:46 pm ET

Im speaking to you James

And I'm correcting you on who you should be speaking to tim.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 4:55 pm ET

Chris, I wholeheartedly agree that a "doped up American" would not be all the beneficial for individual citizens, or for the country.

The current laws are not working and people who want marijuana can already easily find it. The people who want to be "doped up" already are, and the people who use moderation, already do.

Legalizing would have little effect on the actual number of people who have it, or whether they use self discipline with it.

The difference would be that people would no longer be changed from productive, tax paying contributors, into people who are jailed and all their living expenses are paid by the taxpayers.


tim   March 28th, 2009 4:56 pm ET

James, you are an idiot. Talking to them is going to solve my problem? How so? Please explain, because you have not offered ANY intelligent alternative. You have no clue what your are talking about. You sit on your high horse as if you have the answers but offer none execpt absurd rants and insults. Get a life. You are scum.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 4:59 pm ET

That does’t excuse the fact that they stuck their heads in the sand and helped perpetuate this mess by allowing anti-drug groups to lie and create dissention in our communities for all these years, though.

Anti-drug groups have caused more damge to our society than Marijuana use ever could have. (or ever will)

Practice what you preach and show uis proof. Not some sixties radical hippy crap, but proof.


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 5:02 pm ET

but as i said james, demand for cannabis goes back thousands of years. its not reasonable or even possible to convince everyone to just stop. besides all evidence shows that there's no evidence of adverse affects contributed to the plant so why would people want to quit. also often times law enforcement is part of the problem. theres alot of money involved. why not put it to good use. like jump starting the economy.


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 5:05 pm ET

im happy i dont live next to you seeing as you would rather stab your friends and neighbors in the back than just letting people live their lives


Helene   March 28th, 2009 5:08 pm ET

Another great point by Linda. Well done.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 5:09 pm ET

Chris, thank you for presenting your thoughts in a reasonable manner, it is a pleasure to have you be part of the dialogue.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:14 pm ET

tim March 28th, 2009 4:56 pm ET

James, you are an idiot. Talking to them is going to solve my problem? How so?

It may not but at least it's legal you twit. talking to them is better than startign or continuing a fragged up habit like smoking weed. How about lobbying for them to do theri frickin jobs properly instead of lobbying for the dumbing down of Ameica and inflicting my daugthters future with idiocracy?

Please explain, because you have not offered ANY intelligent alternative.

I just did oyu lazy, good for nothing sap. Poor you.

You have no clue what your are talking about. You sit on your high horse as if you have the answers but offer none execpt absurd rants and insults. Get a life. You are scum.

No i am informed and experienced. I sat by and watched as my grnadmother died of lung and liver cancer do to alcohol and cigarettes, and yers later they came out with better medicnce that was already on teh god damned shelves, btu she wasn't fricking rich enough to secure it. you want to be in ess pain> Back Obama with the rest of your miserable existance so he can get the prices of LEGAL, USEFUL, EFFICIENT drugs down. My rants are jsut ersponses to oyur nonsense.


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 5:17 pm ET

being an officer will never be more lucrative than being a "pusher" as long as these guys are bringing in tons of cash. i put pusher in quotations because theyre not pushing this on anyone. theres a huge demand.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:23 pm ET

gp1212 March 28th, 2009 5:17 pm ET

being an officer will never be more lucrative than being a “pusher” as long as these guys are bringing in tons of cash. i put pusher in quotations because theyre not pushing this on anyone. theres a huge demand.

If that helps oyu sleep at night sure, why not?


tim   March 28th, 2009 5:24 pm ET

Ive already stated its illegal to be on pain meds for longer than a year. So, you say because I suffer and my ONLY means to reduce suffering is nonsense. Way to go bud. Im sure the public just loves you. Again, your an idiot, with zero experience and zero knowledge. Its people like you that try to force their ideology on others that is damaging this country. Im sure you would have done well under Hitler.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 5:35 pm ET

Amen, tim.

...and I am sorry you are in so much pain. You may want to try getting an ionic graphite stick, sticking it in the tub... and taking a bath ....or bathe in epsom salts.... since most people probably don't know what the heck I am referring to.... ionizers for bathing appear to reduce pain. Ionizers for the air appear to clean the air.... so, you may want to google that option. Omega-3's also bring down inflammation and eating lots of greens. So, those options are doable and effective. To manage pain, you need to manage inflammation and the pH of your body. Stay away from refined sugars, refined fats.... these cause inflammation.

By the way, both of my parents lived under Nazi rule... my father was in Aushvitz and a few other camps. So, thanks for mentioning the tyrant aspect of his behavior. It is a point well made.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 5:40 pm ET

Reed wrote:
I think James is just afraid of the extremes in society, and thats why he exagerates almost everything.

I agree wholeheartedly with this comment Reed posted last night.

–James was sexually molested.
–James did not use self discipline with marijuana.
–James had a bad experience with a religious group.

He is attempting to superimpose his experiences on to all of us.

He has not comprehended that our actions and experiences are different from his, just because he did not moderate himself in the area of marijuana does not mean that no one can or does.

James should take personal responsibility for how his daughter is taught to behave, and stop trying to blame us for how she might turn out.


tim   March 28th, 2009 5:43 pm ET

Thank you Helen. I will check out the ionic graphite stick. Ive never heard of that before. I do use epsom and I eat alot of greens. Again, thanks for something informative.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 5:51 pm ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 5:35 pm ET

Amen, tim.

By the way, both of my parents lived under Nazi rule… my father was in Aushvitz and a few other camps. So, thanks for mentioning the tyrant aspect of his behavior. It is a point well made.

Not at all it's a point made in vain. not for lack of getting his implication for for lack of him having any foundation whatsoever for his claim. And you shoudl be ashamed to brign your parents into this helene seeing as hwo they went through true suffereing and your comparing your poor little pot addiction to a justified suffering. And for the record... my grandfather faught agaisnt Nazi rule as did my step grandfather, and taught us well not to act liek that but to learn to pinpoint how others become brainwashed like oyu helene. You rparent swould be ashamed of you. Sicnerely, truley ashamed that oyu have squandered their gift of life for the purpose of blissful ruin.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:01 pm ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 5:40 pm ET

Reed wrote:
I think James is just afraid of the extremes in society, and thats why he exagerates almost everything.

And yet reed was and is unable to show where when and how I've exxagerated as are any of oyu dolts.

I agree wholeheartedly with this comment Reed posted last night.

Big suprise.

–James was sexually molested.
true
–James did not use self discipline with marijuana.
False; James used marijuana as much as one can without getting used by it, and had teh privilgege of witnessing how others so eaily misused it and then used it a as a crutch to endeavor the difficulties of their normal everyday lives. James witnessed hi s friend toking a bowl, and when his daughter came out and reached for the pipe and james invited his friend into hsi apartment and out of the eyes of innocence the oblivious friend then said... I'm not goign to hide who I am form my daughter... you know as if what he was was a good thing, and his daughter would be lucky to be like him... completley missing the point and the risk.
–James had a bad experience with a religious group.
False, james had excellent experiences with religious groups until he started asking questions, and discovered deluded peopel get really angry when peopel sk questions. Theri justification being put into question, and them having no real answers they then become, and this is exactly true across the board, aggitated, passive aggressive and even pushy, and insulting, all because they never really had any answers, except a repetition and regurgitation of their sales puitch... Aren't you glad you know Jesus? Dont' you wisheveryone did? You know... liek that old Dial sopa commercial.

He is attempting to superimpose his experiences on to all of us.
not at all, I am trying to teach by example and with the vast knowledge of my experience.

He has not comprehended that our actions and experiences are different from his, just because he did not moderate himself in the area of marijuana does not mean that no one can or does.

I comprehend alright, and i also comprehend that liek those religious fanatics, your experiences and excuse meld into one big glob of nothingness, wrapped in a snickers wrapper. And yes... noone can or does. that's what I recognized early on, and thankfully broke from.

James should take personal responsibility for how his daughter is taught to behave, and stop trying to blame us for how she might turn out.

james is taking care fo his daughter quite fine thank you and james is happy that he conmtinues to correct all your mistakes, adn he will teach his daughter to do eactly the same when face to face with a bunk of toking nincompoops liek you. James is not blaming you for his daughte might become, btu for what you want her to be and advocate for alonside you.


don   March 28th, 2009 6:06 pm ET

james your are hurting this posts credibility


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:16 pm ET

In fact, James is the only one givign thsi blog credibility.

You say legalize marijuana for hemp... hemp is woven and braided, not smoked.

You say legalize it for medicianl purposes... that can be done in a controlled environment such as a medicla laboratory, adn there is no medical use for smoking it. Any pain relief needed can be given with morphine if the pain is so great and also under controlled conditions. i dont' use morphine as the cure all, jsut as one example.

You say legalize it to cut down on the cartels power and violence, adn yet a simpler more effective way to do thta is to simply stop buying it.


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 6:16 pm ET

to those opposed to legalization. were not trying to force pot on people. were not trying to promote this to kids. were just asking to stop persecuting people for a harmless drug. were trying to send a message of understanding. an understanding that this is a country built around the principles of freedom. freedom to make your own adult decisions. if someone like james doesnt agree with my choice thats fine, but its my choice. theres a thing called pursuit of happiness and if reefer really makes you happy then blaze it. i dont tell you how to live your live so dont tell the millions of us "potheads" how to live ours. dont we deserve the same respect as those who choose to indulge in alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, or fast food. all of these things are linked to some health concerns, but no one is trying to outlaw budweiser or mcdonalds


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 6:18 pm ET

is james talking in third person


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:22 pm ET

Ya to linda.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:28 pm ET

gp1212 March 28th, 2009 6:16 pm ET

to those opposed to legalization. were not trying to force pot on people.

No, youre jsut saying it's no big deal. Which is a lie.

were not trying to promote this to kids.

Legalize it and that can't be helped. Just liek with alcohol and cigarettes now.

were just asking to stop persecuting people for a harmless drug.

calling it harmless, also a lie.

were trying to send a message of understanding. an understanding that this is a country built around the principles of freedom. freedom to make your own adult decisions.

Ya, just liek with child porn adn sexual abuse. it'sa all abotu freedom. Riiiiight.

if someone like james doesnt agree with my choice thats fine, but its my choice.

No, its' not.

theres a thing called pursuit of happiness and if reefer really makes you happy then blaze it.

No, don't. The happyness is just afalse feeling created by the release of chemicals in your brain. if you want to be truly happy read a book, go on a hike, ride a bike, listen to music, heng out with friends... pot doesn't make you happy; it steals your chances of being truly happy.

i dont tell you how to live your live so dont tell the millions of us “potheads” how to live ours.

You don't tell me how to live my life because youre' not qualified. I am qualified to tell you how to live yours better.

dont we deserve the same respect as those who choose to indulge in alcohol, tobacco, caffeine, or fast food.

Yes, adn the same scrutiny as well.

all of these things are linked to some health concerns, but no one is trying to outlaw budweiser or mcdonalds

Budwieser should be outlawed, and McDonalds should improve it's menu.


don   March 28th, 2009 6:31 pm ET

moderator please?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:35 pm ET

You people have been missing it. I've been moderating you this whole time.


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 6:37 pm ET

so i dont have the right to think for myself or make my own decisions in my life? then i should consult you what tv show to watch tonight or on what i should have for dinner. clearly im not capable of thinking for myself. if youre so smart, why havent you ran for president. you seem to have all the answers. i wish more people could hear what youre saying so that they could realize just how absurd your argument really is. are you even listening to yourself.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 6:38 pm ET

Don, I doubt James cares about the credibility of the posts. He's pitiful, really, when you think about it.

He hasn't been able to think through the fact that this dialogue is about how people of differing points of view can all live freely.

It's not rocket science. People can take marijuana, or they can leave marijuana, everyone should have the freedom to do either, without forcing anyone with the opposite opinion to change.

A solution should emerge which allows people to live with it, or live free of it, whichever they choose, as was articulated in the "Thomas Jefferson" quote.

James' world is just that: James' world. It is indeed frustrating that he foolishly believes that his bullying tactics will get us to accept HIS experiences as our REALITY.

The fact that James had an experience, or James' friend had an experience, is not PROOF of anything.

We all have experiences which are different from James' experience, our experiences are not made invalid just because James' experience is different.

I really feel sorry for him, it is one thing to be foolish and realize it, it is quite another to be unable to recognize one's foolishness altogether.

CNN has been petitioned to have James banned due to his continual violations of the CNN posting policy, which should greatly improve the quality of the dialogue here.


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 6:42 pm ET

you have the right to your own opinion but you cannont expect to change the minds of anyone when you tell them their thoughts dont count, your rights and your freedoms dont matter because i dont agree with you


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:42 pm ET

I would run for president but clearly I don't have the all important pothead vote.... BWAH HA HA HA HA 😆

No, of course you have a right to think for yourself... i wouldn't call what your'e doing thinking though... jsut sort fo lazing through life.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:44 pm ET

gp1212 March 28th, 2009 6:42 pm ET

you have the right to your own opinion but you cannont expect to change the minds of anyone when you tell them their thoughts dont count, your rights and your freedoms dont matter because i dont agree with you

😀 And yet that's what you have all been doing so comfortably. ha ha ha 😆


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 6:50 pm ET

im not trying to change your opinion ,your a lost cause, but for anyone who stumbles onto this blog i want them to see things for how they really are


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:52 pm ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 6:38 pm ET

Don, I doubt James cares about the credibility of the posts. He’s pitiful, really, when you think about it.

Hah... I know oyu are but what am I?

He hasn’t been able to think through the fact that this dialogue is about how people of differing points of view can all live freely.

You do live freely. you're jsut as subject to the laws as I am. You don't advocate freedom, oyu advocate irresponsibility and nonsense.

It’s not rocket science.

No, it's not. So why is it so hard for you and the others to understand your'e flat wrong?

People can take marijuana, or they can leave marijuana, everyone should have the freedom to do either, without forcing anyone with the opposite opinion to change.

Like Polygamy and child sexual abuse. Holy cow... do you think it's that simple?! Dense.

A solution should emerge which allows people to live with it, or live free of it, whichever they choose, as was articulated in the “Thomas Jefferson” quote. James’ world is just that: James’ world. It is indeed frustrating that he foolishly believes that his bullying tactics will get us to accept HIS experiences as our REALITY.

Oh, I'm not bullying you. Just correcting you. And my experiences are true across the board, AND are your reality. You're jsut too wrapped up in YOUR LITTLE WORLD to see that. Like Bush was in hsi little bubble as described by former whitehouse mouth piece Scott McClellan. You're just oblivious.

The fact that James had an experience, or James’ friend had an experience, is not PROOF of anything.

Yes, it is. It's proof of MY experience, adn that is not the only one, btu anecdotal information is weak at best, including all of oyur anecdotal information. It is oen of many experiences that I have used to illustrate how weak your arguemtns are.

We all have experiences which are different from James’ experience, our experiences are not made invalid just because James’ experience is different.

No, your experiences are made invalid due to the fact that you were all high at the time, adn continue, by your own admitions to be high up to now. Your arguements are beign made invalid because you have no experience to back it up.

I really feel sorry for him, it is one thing to be foolish and realize it, it is quite another to be unable to recognize one’s foolishness altogether.

You aren't qualified or educated enough to feel sorry for me. Nor are you sincere.

CNN has been petitioned to have James banned due to his continual violations of the CNN posting policy, which should greatly improve the quality of the dialogue here.

Ha ha ha... Sure why not... if you can't beat a guys arguemetns, get him banned ha ha ha Weeeeak.


don   March 28th, 2009 6:53 pm ET

james your right i never realized it but im a horrible person but i was too doped up to realize it james for president 2012 in new communist america


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:53 pm ET

gp1212 , im not trying to change your opinion ,you're a lost cause, but for anyone who stumbles onto this blog i want them to see things for how they really are


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 6:57 pm ET

and people are calling Obama a communist too


jay NY   March 28th, 2009 6:58 pm ET

i stumbled on this blog and im laughing at you james


don   March 28th, 2009 7:00 pm ET

then grow american weed that is our point of this blog


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:01 pm ET

and for goodness sakes stop using hemp and medical marijuana as excuses to legalize recreational use... you dont' buy marijuana from Julio, Tyorn, Martin, Maichael or felisha in your neighborhood so you cna turn it into hemp products or because you have a genuine medical need; oyu buy it to get high. Otheriwse you'de go to the local holistic and natural garments store and get your hemop there and go to a hospital and apply for the mdecinal form there.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:03 pm ET

gp1212 March 28th, 2009 7:00 pm ET

you want to support american products, then lets bypass the cartels and grow our own. kill two birds with one stone

Or better yet, dont' buy it at all... no cash, no death, no befuddled mind, no corruption of our children towards addictive vices... 😉


don   March 28th, 2009 7:03 pm ET

haha


don   March 28th, 2009 7:05 pm ET

well people do buy it so we might as well do something about it


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 7:05 pm ET

or how about this lets not listen to your ramblin and more cash, no death, no mindless bs, and no corrupting our kids with lies about a harmless plant


Helene   March 28th, 2009 7:07 pm ET

EVERYBODY: we must remember that James' stepbrother forced oral sex on him at the age of 6. We are dealing with someone VERY twisted.

Illegalsmile reviewed a comprehensive list of behaviorial symptoms that this type of experience can cause. We can all agree James has a big problem...except he's the only one who doesn't know it.... again... I feel sorry for his child.

Thanx for petitioning CNN. That's a wonderful idea.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 7:08 pm ET

Several of us have posted that we do not use marijuana in any form. Our reasons for wanting it to be legalized are varied.

James, if it truthfully is some addicting substance which no one could get away from, then you would have still be doing it.

Your proof is nothing, you haven't won any arguments, you haven't corrected anyone.

You were abused and now you have become an abuser, your posts are abusive in nature.

It is indeed sad that your mind is still so clouded by your sexual abuse that you are unable to differentiate between a dialogue about marijuana and a dialogue about sexual abusers.

No one is suggesting in any form that anyone should be free to sexually abuse anyone else, especially a child, and that has been posted over and over and over.

Your comments implying that if people are free to have marijuana, then the laws will change so sexual abusers will be free to abuse children is totally incorrect and irrelevant.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:08 pm ET

What's REALLY funny is that you couldn't defeat my arguemetns so you started attacking me, then, you couldnt' affect me, so oyu started attacking my business. What a hoot... got any other useless criticisms?


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 7:11 pm ET

what facts you havent stated any facts


tim   March 28th, 2009 7:14 pm ET

James, learn to spell. I will help you.

stabelize = stabilize
botu = bout
ilegal = illegal
teh = the
reactiuon = reaction
oyu = you
stoped = stopped
abotu = about
jsut = just
oyur = your
sint = isnt
arguements = arguments
justifiabley = justifiably
reasonabley = reasonably
situatiosn = situation
peopel = people
beign = being
goign = going
watchign = watching
liek = like
nothign = nothing
everythign = everything
taht = that
raisign = raising
grerater = greater
wrpping = wrapping
ass-umed = assumed
agaisnt = against
everyoen = everyone
cahnce = chance
whiel = while
shoudl = should

The list could be soooo much larger, but its a start...


Linda   March 28th, 2009 7:18 pm ET

James, your attempts to call abusive posts wisdom are going no where.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:24 pm ET

Linda, your attempts to call wise posts abusive is going no where.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:25 pm ET

Once again tim thank you oh so much for all the typo correction i've filed that under my I don't give a crap folder on my desk top.


tim   March 28th, 2009 7:27 pm ET

If your going to pretend to be an American, atleast try to do it right.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:28 pm ET

gp1212 March 28th, 2009 7:11 pm ET

what facts

the fact that oyu could help undo the cartels power by just not buying their product anymore for one. I know you've agued that's impossiboe and so many peopel do it,,, btu what about you? Why haven't you stopped? Dont' you want to end the violence? 😉
Sure it will be difficult, I never said it wouldnt', btu fdon't be sohypocritical, once again, to say you actually care when you really have the simplest job of all. Pot isnt' addictive right Linda? So see, you shoudl have no problems. Just ....

quit.

you havent stated any facts

I just did.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 7:30 pm ET

tim,

U R 2 kool!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:30 pm ET

tim March 28th, 2009 7:27 pm ET

If your going to pretend to be an American, atleast try to do it right.

Ha ha ha ha ha and now youre' questioning my heritage? Ha ha ha ha ha. Dude Illegalsmile went so far as to google my American adress you twit. Parwal si the owner, not the manager. Parwal is an indian name, my last name is foley... where exactly were oyu goign with this?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:31 pm ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 7:30 pm ET

tim,

U R 2 kool

tee hee tim you're as much of an idiot as helene is


Linda   March 28th, 2009 7:39 pm ET

I do not find the subject of sexual abuse offensive at all, just sad. James, you were not able to remember that I am not a marijuana user all the way through responding to my post.

You are clearly distracted by your continual thoughts of child abuse and abusers, as is evidenced by your posts. No one is missing the points you are trying to make, we just completely disagree with you.

Please, go find a forum where people are trying to legalize child abuse and post your objections there. Again, everyone is comprehending the points you are attempting to make, just disagreeing with your assertion that they are factual.


tim   March 28th, 2009 7:39 pm ET

where exactly were oyu goign with this?

Im saying these are not merely typos, you are consistently misspelling words. You obviously do not know how to spell in English correctly.


Marcel   March 28th, 2009 7:39 pm ET

Why not legalizing/tolerating marijuana and even "hard" drugs. Holland did it and the outcomes were great. Less users, less crime, taking out the illegal selling of drugs, and saving billions and billions of Euros in people who would otherwise have landed in jail and a lot less money needed to run the "DEA" department.

I saw a discussion in which Alec Baldwin was involved. He is against/afraid of legalizing drugs. He believes that more people will start to use, especially children. I don't agree with this. I am from Holland. Marijuana has been legal for more than 30 years. Most people in Holland have never used marijuana because it is legal. Also by legalizing it, the amount of users actually went down quite a lot. So did the crimes related.

He is also convinced that most people, who try Marijuana, will end up taking "hard" drugs. This is farther than the truth. Again look at the Netherlands. Most people who are using Marijuana, are NOT likely to take "hard" drugs. I don't know where Alec get this information from.

About 20 or some years ago, there were a lot of deaths related to xtc. The government wanted to do something about that. They started a 6 months trial at a "house" party. They would have a stand at these "house" parties where people could test their quality of xtc. There were counselors available. And they would hand out water. After implementing this plan all throughout Holland, no more deaths were related with xtc. Some people were opposed against this plan. They believed that the amount of users would go up. It actually didn't. There was a drastic fall in the amount of users.

About 15/20 years ago, the government wanted to regulate cocaine and heroine as well. They started a 1 year trial in one of the worst cities. Again, people opposed to this idea. They said that it would create more cocaine and heroine addicts. The amount of users went down, the crime rate in this city went down dramatically. With this decision, they also took out the "cartels" whom were selling drugs in Holland.

I do have to mention that each heroine addict had to register to get a similar but less stronger drug than heroine. Many many years ago, the government implemented these plans all throughout Holland. With great success I have to say.

It is sort of a rule. If something is illegal many people want to try it. It is the same with alcohol. Many many people under the age of 21, drink alcohol. They usually don't do this in a controlled environment. It might also have the intention of becoming an addict.

The legal age in Holland is 18 years. The government tolerates people as young as 15 years to be able to go to a bar. Their reason is that it is a controlled environment. There is also a lot less violence after they implemented this plan. Including less alcoholism.

They did not implement any of these overnight. They would start a 6 months/1 year trial in one of the cities. After collecting and evaluating the results, they would implement it gradually in more cities and all throughout Holland. Only if it was successful.

I would say to President Obama, try to follow this plan. Don't do everything at the same time. Start with Marijuana. After that plan has been implemented all throughout the country, start another "drug" related trial.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:41 pm ET

tim March 28th, 2009 7:39 pm ET

where exactly were oyu goign with this?

Im saying these are not merely typos, you are consistently misspelling words. You obviously do not know how to spell in English correctly.

Right, cause my eye hand coordination can't have anythign to do with ti or the fac that I dont' give enough of a care about you peopel to go back and correct myselelf for oyur benefit? Riiiiight.


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 7:43 pm ET

i dont think you understand the difference between facts and opinions


tim   March 28th, 2009 7:43 pm ET

Hand eye coordination problems would not be as consistent as your spelling is. Try again.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:45 pm ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 7:39 pm ET

I do not find the subject of sexual abuse offensive at all, just sad. James, you were not able to remember that I am not a marijuana user all the way through responding to my post.

So you claim, and I certainly rememebred what oyu claim, i jsut dont' beleive it.

You are clearly distracted by your continual thoughts of child abuse and abusers, as is evidenced by your posts. No one is missing the points you are trying to make, we just completely disagree with you.

No oyu are missing the poinht. i ahve no reason to trust your assurances whether as a result of abuse or not you simply haven't proven your cae even probable. Instead you spend your tiem misdiagnosing me by way of attempted and failed psychoanalysis. But then, that's easier for you to deal with. I don't call oyu a pothead because I know exactly thqat you arem, but because I know the monocre offends you.

Please, go find a forum where people are trying to legalize child abuse and post your objections there.

I am.

Again, everyone is comprehending the points you are attempting to make, just disagreeing with your assertion that they are factual.

Again, I continually need to correct you as they are factual, actual, rality. And that my dear is the be all end all of it all, the alpha and omega of the covnersation. You lost awhiel back, and merely cling to your assertions.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:46 pm ET

gp1212, I dont think you understand the difference between facts and opinions, and you should learn the difference before oyu presume to judge others


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:49 pm ET

tim March 28th, 2009 7:43 pm ET

Hand eye coordination problems would not be as consistent as your spelling is. Try again.

Of course they would. My hands have been doign ti so long on other forums that they've developed a sort of sconsistncy. I am actually looking at the keyboard right now, and hitting two keya at once hitting keys that are mostlikely close to but not right on where they should be, and am probabaly getting a lot of other mistakes made ... eho noaows. Mostly I'm just wired from the thee cups of coffe I've had in the paste two hour... 😉 😛


Helene   March 28th, 2009 7:49 pm ET

Linda,

I don't disagree with James posts.... I skip over them entirely.

There's nothing to disagree with. He's insane.... an ego-maniac. James does not exist in my World.

How do you argue with an imbecile? I say, stop wasting your precious energy. Life is too short.

By the way, look up the word: imbecile. James' face is right there, in the Webster's Dictionary. He's famous!!!


tim   March 28th, 2009 7:50 pm ET

Parwal, please earn citizenship before trying to force your opinions on us. You are not an American, that much is clear.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:51 pm ET

sa well I ahve neve lied to any of oyu.


tim   March 28th, 2009 7:52 pm ET

LOL Helen. I should follow your lead. Im sorry, I just felt the need to point out this guy isnt an American.


don   March 28th, 2009 7:53 pm ET

james has not presented any facts that stand out, to say the least


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 7:53 pm ET

HA, Just got confirmation from one of James neighbors. Its him, Parwal.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 7:55 pm ET

James, you posted that you are wired from coffee. That nasty mind altering substance should be against the law for your own good. That way you won't be able to influence any one's children to get high on coffee!!

Coffee should not be allowed to remain legal just because someone wants the freedom to do it, that's the same reasoning used by child abusers who want to be free to abuse children.


don   March 28th, 2009 7:56 pm ET

james ...."Mostly I’m just wired from the thee cups of coffe I’ve had in the paste two hour"…

you are a discusting coffee addict lol you should be in prison


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 7:57 pm ET

Helene March 28th, 2009 7:49 pm ET

Linda,

I don’t disagree with James posts…. I skip over them entirely.

There’s nothing to disagree with. He’s insane…. an ego-maniac. James does not exist in my World.

How do you argue with an imbecile? I say, stop wasting your precious energy. Life is too short.

By the way, look up the word: imbecile. James’ face is right there, in the Webster’s Dictionary. He’s famous!!!

Adn all much to your own deluded detriment. So sad.


don   March 28th, 2009 8:01 pm ET

ok james thn present those facts once again before you get any more "wired"


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 8:03 pm ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 7:55 pm ET

James, you posted that you are wired from coffee. That nasty mind altering substance should be against the law for your own good. That way you won’t be able to influence any one’s children to get high on coffee!!

Wired neaning having the jitters, but you are correct in a sense. Coffe is for adults, not childre. I dont' mucha pprove of soda either though ia m cleraly addicted to it. Caffine may actually be more addictive than nicotine. Caffine is still not as bad ad Marijuana. Not even a nice try.

Coffee should not be allowed to remain legal just because someone wants the freedom to do it, that’s the same reasoning used by child abusers who want to be free to abuse children.

You are attmpting to compare coffee to Marijuana how? And once again you've completley screwed up my point. Ah well, Your bitterness is showing.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

His neighbors don't like him


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 7:56 pm ET

james ….”Mostly I’m just wired from the thee cups of coffe I’ve had in the paste two hour”…

you are a discusting coffee addict lol you should be in prison

Okay. Arrest me.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 8:06 pm ET

don March 28th, 2009 8:01 pm ET

ok james thn present those facts once again before you get any more “wired”

don, scroll up.


tim   March 28th, 2009 8:06 pm ET

Parwal, you are the bitter one here. The massive amount of posts clearly shows that.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 8:07 pm ET

Illegalsmile March 28th, 2009 8:04 pm ET

His neighbors don’t like him

Right and what neighbor would that be exactly? 😉


Linda   March 28th, 2009 8:07 pm ET

A myspace profile proves absolutely nothing, a person can pretend to be whoever they want on myspace.

The testimony of a neighbor is far more credible. James, why are you hiding under a false identity?

Are you a known sex offender? I noticed that you have started commenting less about sexual abusers and more about lying.

At the very least, it is clear in your posts, that the "truth", according to you, keeps changing.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 8:08 pm ET

tim March 28th, 2009 8:06 pm ET

Parwal, you are the bitter one here. The massive amount of posts clearly shows that.

Why do you keep posting to me usign my bosses name?


tim   March 28th, 2009 8:08 pm ET

I agree Helene. Ill stop now 🙂


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 8:09 pm ET

ha ha ha ha okay what proof do oyu desire and for what purpose?


don   March 28th, 2009 8:09 pm ET

the statements that you made were merely opinions rather than concrete evidence. Facts are what we care about here not opinions. for instance all the views that you had you call facts?


tim   March 28th, 2009 8:12 pm ET

Since it is so obvious to me Parwal is not an American, I feel less encouraged to respond to him any longer.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 8:15 pm ET

Parwal, just because YOU decide to have a relationship of addiction with things, doesn't mean that other people have the a relationship of addiction with that same thing.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 8:18 pm ET

Linda March 28th, 2009 8:07 pm ET

A myspace profile proves absolutely nothing, a person can pretend to be whoever they want on myspace.

The testimony of a neighbor is far more credible. James, why are you hiding under a false identity?

Are you a known sex offender? I noticed that you have started commenting less about sexual abusers and more about lying.

At the very least, it is clear in your posts, that the “truth”, according to you, keeps changing.

No it doesn't, never has and never will.


tim   March 28th, 2009 8:18 pm ET

The fact is this is a subject for Americans to debate. We dont need the outside opinions of a foreigner who is here out of the kindness of good Americans hearts. I guess this is the price we pay for allowing people of other nations to come into this country where we allow free speech.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 8:19 pm ET

Thank you Illegalsmile, for your investigative work. Since this individual has repeatedly claimed to be superior to all of us, in terms of wisdom and behavior, it is past time for an investigation into his actual lifestyle.

He is far to hostile to not be covering something up,


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 8:21 pm ET

and clealry you and Illegalsmiel didn't jsut meet on these comments either right? You know that person so well taht you're willing to go of what they say? Ha ha ha ha ha/ 😆


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 8:24 pm ET

tim March 28th, 2009 8:18 pm ET

The fact is this is a subject for Americans to debate. We dont need the outside opinions of a foreigner who is here out of the kindness of good Americans hearts. I guess this is the price we pay for allowing people of other nations to come into this country where we allow free speech.

Riiiiight.

Linda March 28th, 2009 8:19 pm ET

Thank you Illegalsmile, for your investigative work. Since this individual has repeatedly claimed to be superior to all of us, in terms of wisdom and behavior, it is past time for an investigation into his actual lifestyle.

He is far to hostile to not be covering something up,

Actually ineve claimed I was superior to oyu though tim is claiming to be superior to non Americans. I have merely stated correctly that I am correct and that oyu are incorrect. Your feelings are geettign hurt and now your'e attempting yo hurt my feelings.

It's simple really.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 28th, 2009 8:25 pm ET

Investigative work i might add that was permissioned by me. 😆 😆


tim   March 28th, 2009 8:29 pm ET

I suppose people like Parwal were brainwashed by their government and dont really understand that this is a country based on "We The People" and it will take some getting used to before they understand that our liberty stops where anothers start.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 8:32 pm ET

My feelings are not hurt, Parwal, you have no power to make me feel anything. You are like an annoying gnat, keeps buzzing around, but totally insignificant when the big picture is considered.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 8:33 pm ET

Tim, good insights about liberty!!


tim   March 28th, 2009 8:40 pm ET

Thanks Linda. I admit, I was a little offended until I realized where Parwal was comming from. Its a little more clear now, I must have a little more patience with newcomers to this country. He will come around some day, I hope.


gp1212   March 28th, 2009 8:41 pm ET

james, parwal, or whoever you may be, youre not as smart as you think you are, and you just need to get over yourself. i really feel sorry for you and everyone who has had to listen to your mindless ranting.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 8:49 pm ET

Why does the whole town dislike you, Anju?


Linda   March 28th, 2009 8:54 pm ET

Are you a known sex offender? I noticed that you have started commenting less about sexual abusers and more about lying.

When I posted the above, Parwal avoided it. After hours on end of him dissecting every sentence I have written, suddenly he stopped with this one....

I have not traveled extensively outside of the United States, so I was not aware that a place even existed where people behave this way.

The most rude American I have ever encountered was most pleasant, in comparison with this person.

As disruptive as it has been to have had him here, it must be many times worse to actually BE him. Is Anju his first name?

I'm making notes for my future reference, although it would be easy to recognize his "posting style".

They probably dislike him for the same reasons we have come to dislike him.

Our attempts at polite and civilized conversation were met with hateful abusive responses.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 9:00 pm ET

I am back to feeling the way I did last night, I really feel sorry for him. He was badly hurt when he was a child who could not defend himself. As an adult he is lashing out in anger. He is boiling over with rage to the point that he is blinding himself to the fact that we are not the ones who hurt him, and that marijuana had nothing to do with it.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

Ladies and Gentlemen, Now that the distraction appears to be over (hopefully), perhaps a dialogue about marijuana can take place here.

Illegalsmile, thanks so much for your efforts, he apparently does not like the "hot seat", and despite our efforts to the contrary, his posts were distracting to say the least.

Tim, you are so kind to still be showing compassion toward him. Perhaps you will be able to get through to him, as you are aware, the rest of us have failed to do so, (but not for lack of trying).

Helene, you are so right that it is time for us to get back on track and not waste any more of our energy or time on him. It is very disappointing that we tried so hard and all our attempts were futile.

So, back to the subject at hand! 🙂 Many meaningful comments were made and then derailed, and I am very interested in what you all have to share. I, for one, want to turn my "good intentions" into "actions".


tim   March 28th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

My last post was stricken. I was apologizing...


Linda   March 28th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Tim, are you experiencing signs of moderating??? How wonderful!! Not wonderful that YOU are being moderated, just wonderful that moderating is finally taking place!!

This could mean that we will be able to post without having to take any more abuse here!! 🙂

I am glad to discuss the subject with people who both agree and disagree with my opinion. I am glad this blog is showing signs of becoming a respectful place!! 🙂


Kare Ann Marie   March 28th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

This 65 year old woman says hell yes it should be legalized. Pot is non-violent and helped my friend who died of lung cancer (from smoking cigarettes, not pot) live a less painful life and eat enough to keep himself alive longer.


tim   March 28th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

I hear ya Linda, they are moderating now. I wish they would have done so last night. Except, I think he was our only opponent on the issue, hehe. I guess its a testament to the general feeling of support on the issue.


tim   March 28th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

I just want to restate what I have basically said throughout the blog. I have pain and cannot get pain medication of any strength due to the laws where I live. The state law says I may only be prescribed narcotic pain killers for one year. Even though I will have to live with this pain for the remainder of my life. Marijuana absolutely works for me to relieve pain and my sanity. However, I am scared I will someday go to jail and really be in bad shape with no meds. This isnt fair.


tim   March 28th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

To the people who say it is too addictive, this is not true. I smoke cigarettes and cannot go two hours without needing another. I smoke pot a couple times a week with no cravings or withdrawl symtoms. Also, I have never craved another drug. I know people who drink everyday and ruin their lives. There is alot of myths surrounding marijuana that need de-bunked. How can we do this?


tim   March 28th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

I have seen documentation that demonized marijuana by saying kids wanted to kill their parents while using marijuana. There was cartoons depicting all sorts of radical behaviour which was used when the laws were established to make marijuana illegal. I cannot seem to find them on the net. Does anyone remember this or have the literature that was used?


Helene   March 28th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

whew.... for a minute there, I was getting worried...

Two of my statements were blocked.

What are the official rules, anyways? What are we not allowed to say when we blog in these forums?


Sid   March 28th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

I think Yes because it can boost U.S. Economy.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Kare Ann Marie, welcome and thanks for sharing the touching story about your friend!! Thanks also for stating your age. I am in my 50s, and have found that a majority of people favor FULL legalization, regardless of our ages.

Tim, last time I checked the poll #s on this website, they were 80% in favor of legalizing. I hope you will be able to grow your own marijuana, or just purchase it at the store, and not ever have to spend money going to the doctor to get it ever again.

Illegalsmile, thanks so much for sharing another idea of what we can do. I have wanted to get involved for a long time, and had no idea who the leaders were, or what groups were focused on getting marijuana legalized.

Helene posted last night that she thought when Obama laughed about it, he laughed because he was nervous (I hope I am quoting her correctly). I totally agree with her, and I believe that most legislators would vote to legalize it if they were not afraid that they may not get reelected.

This is so exciting to see this dialogue become more "mainstream" America!!


Dave G Lake Forest CA   March 28th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

The real issue is why the gangs sell marijuana and fight over the turf. It is profitable only because it is illegal. If it was legal and regulated you could not sell it for $300 – $400 or more an ounce. If it was only worth $50 – $100 an ounce there would not be a high enough profit margin to be worth killing for and the gangs loose their cash flow. No cash flow no guns, no power, no gangs. The billions wasted on enforcement and incarceration of pot-heads could go to education and healthcare. This doesn't even start to consider the possible tax revenue derived from legal sales of a drug that has never had a single recorded death from overdose. You know like Booze.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Linda's idea.... that we should be able to grow it in our backyards, sounds like the true goal. We need to regain our freedoms ...and to figure out how to do that.


tim   March 28th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

If I could grow my own, it would be a huge blessing to me. I am poor due to my illness and inabilty to work for any extended periods. I am too proud to go on welfare, and would not be a burden to anyone if I could grow my own. I am only asking for a means to improve my lifestyle. I pray we can move forward with this. I am quite nervous stating these things, but I have to do something.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

Linda, I share your enthusiasm! It is very exciting. I feel so many things -some tragic some not- played a part in aligning the planets so we can enjoy real progress on this issue. From the drug wars in Mexico, to the economy. From a progressive man of color as President to people like you who see the issue for what it is.

Tim, There are so many studies out right now on all the benefits of medical marijuana. You can go to Americans for Safe Access for starters. It is difficult to prove that marijuana is not harmful – far easier to simply lay out all the benefits so they outweigh any risks. Like the practice of driving automobiles. Of course there are risks but....


Linda   March 28th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

David, I totally agree with your post. In addition, there would be no more useless expenditure of taxpayer money to house and clothe (jail) millions of people.

These people could go back to being the wage earning, tax paying, contributing members of society which they were before their lives were ruined by these laws.

Sure, there are some people in jail which were not productive citizens before they went to jail, but they are in the minority.

I actually think that the price would be considerably lower, unless most of the retail price was a tax. It does not take anything special to grow it, it grows like a "weed".

I also agree with all the previous posts which were in favor of growing it all right here in America, and what is extra, we can export.

It seems as though part of why this legalization process has taken so long is that so many of us have been "nervous" about voicing an opinion about it.


tim   March 28th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

I think the end of prohibition on alcohol is what defeated the mobs. I am sure it would do the same for those who profit from marijuana, a plant that can grow anywhere with ease.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Dave G. Yes, I think you are right on. It must remain cheap enough so that it stays off the black market and isn't practical to grow uinless like a hobby such as tomatoes. This would eliminate turf and crime around the sale and production of it.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Sid, I wholeheartedly agree with you, the time is right to start building the economy and legalization would help on both sides.

It would cut all the wasted spending to enforce on laws which are not working at all, and it would increase tax revenue as well.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

Helene, you were looking for the posting rules, hope this helps.

On the same screen as the place to type a post, to the right and a little further up, there is a link to the "CNN Comment Policy".

That policy is what James, (or whatever his name really was), was continually violating with his abusive posts.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

Tim, I agree that a lot of the tactics used to keep marijuana illegal are untruths which should be debunked.

I wonder if any organization has already developed a "fact sheet", or if this still needs to be done.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Linda, thanks for pointing out the Comment Policy. I wonder how come it took so long for them to ban him!


Helene   March 28th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

Well, if it is true that history repeats itself, then tim's example of the end of prohibition on alcohol to defeat the mobs, is a perfect argument for defeating the cartels and terrorists.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

Illegalsmile, I completely agree, there has not been a better time, the government can't afford to keep doing what they have been doing (at all levels, federal, state, county, city).

Citizens seem to be paying a lot more attention to how their tax dollars are being spent these days.

And then there's Hillary Clinton, who just this week reported that the root of the issue is that Americans want marijuana.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

I was wondering why he wasn't being banned, too, and earlier today someone posted that they thought this forum may not be moderated on weekends.

So, this afternoon, I started sending emails to CNN about the abuse which was going on in this forum, and requesting that he be banned.

I'm surprised he was able to even start posting. Perhaps it was thought that his first post was not that bad, and only the first post is moderated here?

Regardless, it sure is great to have all that behind us now!!


Helene   March 28th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

Thanx, Linda... for pointing out the guidelines.

I was just watching "DL Hughley Breaks the News" ...about ten minutes ago he had someone on who argued against the legalization of mj. This guy spewed so many falsehoods against it.... without any supporting evidence... like it causes schizophrenia... unbelievable that people can say these things without any supporting evidence...

Since CNN repeats the show, they should have it on again in a few hours.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

Linda, Did you see Andrea Mitchell's interview with Hillary in Mexico where Hillirary acknowledged our part in the violence because of our insatiable apettite for drugs! Finally a politician that get that trying to enforce our way out is not working. If too many people are breaking a certain law, it should NOT be a law.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 10:40 pm ET

Last night Helene and I were posting about the idea of emailing President Obama about this issue.

Although he clearly seems to be nervous about it, at least he is not afraid to have the words come out of his mouth.

We also thought it would be a good idea to Email Hillary Clinton, as well.


tim   March 28th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

Good point Illegalsmile. Never thought of it that way. Guess that is why discussion is needed.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

Sorry to say, I did not see the Hillary Clinton interview, I just heard a few comments about it on CNN, but they were enough for me to get the idea of what she is saying.

Helene, I just turned on CNN, so I missed the part you commented about. I agree that the biggest obstacle to legalization is the false information which is being publicized as truth.

Perhaps if one, or more, of these organizations, which Illegalsmile has referenced, has accurate information, and a designated speaker, we can start an email campaign to pressure these news organizations into interviewing someone who will share facts instead of falsehoods.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 10:57 pm ET

Illegalsmile, thanks for the email address for the president, I didn't have it yet.

Helene posted last night that she had already emailed him several times about this, and we were thinking that the reason he polled the subject may be because people ARE emailing him.

Glad to hear you have been emailing him as well, I will join in!!


don   March 28th, 2009 11:01 pm ET

DL Hughley..had some really positive views on the legalization it is nice to see that we have sombody on our side when it comes to a can host.... =)


don   March 28th, 2009 11:04 pm ET

cnn* = can


Linda   March 28th, 2009 11:06 pm ET

Don and Helene, are you both referencing the same interview?


itsokjustletgo   March 28th, 2009 11:07 pm ET

Good job CNN! Thankyou for listening to our complaints about one of the people commenting here. For people who don't have a lot of experience in online communities, it can be jolting to come across someone like him, but it is a VERY common thing for one person to just not be sane and choose to work out their 'stuff' in an anonymous online chat.

The best thing is to completely totally ignore them (for next time).

Hopefully our government will also listen to our voices as CNN has. It is heartening to see that many people are willing to speak up, as this is the first chance we have had in this country in a long time to even address this issue.


tim   March 28th, 2009 11:07 pm ET

I am hoping Larry King will address this issue again. I like what was stated earlier that there should be a trial in atleast one state and collect data, then make a more educated decision on this topic


Linda   March 28th, 2009 11:08 pm ET

Don, glad to see you back!!


Helene   March 28th, 2009 11:09 pm ET

Crazy James had an interesting strategy. Whatever people said, he would attempt to de-bunk it. Similarly, we should draft an ongoing list of all the falsehoods against mj, and line by line, de-bunk those lies... so they become public knowledge - of course, with the evidence to support our case.

We should put it on YouTube.com: Develop a "show" counter-acting all those attacks... get the buzz around it going... so people stop lying about what would be public knowledge.

Maybe we can learn something from Crazy James, afterall, i.e., getting the last word in... no matter what.


tim   March 28th, 2009 11:10 pm ET

Maybe we should research which state would be most likely to attempt something and put focus there...


don   March 28th, 2009 11:11 pm ET

yeah somthing must be done.....and for that interview with DL...the man he interviewed hardly even had a case at all it was alomost a joke...as was james (thank you cnn) =)


Linda   March 28th, 2009 11:15 pm ET

I like the idea of trialing it in one state, too, as long as it is in MY state!! 🙂

I understand the idea of going after a little at a time, but as in the case of getting marijuana classified as a "medical drug", we may be going down a path which will not lead to the desired end.

This is the LAND OF THE FREE, if we continue to allow ourselves to be divided (even into states), our power is diluted, it seems to me.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 11:16 pm ET

Linda.... yes, I believe don and I are referencing the same show. He had advocates for both sides of the issue. I believe he mentioned it was going to be his last show.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 11:18 pm ET

Whew, this site is a much nicer place to be.

A great way to put the media on notice that we can't be placated with falsehoods is to write Letters to the Editor of your local newspapers. News media of every sort, as well as politicians scan these to test the barometer of public opinion. Almost all papers have an on-line submission process so yu can dash one off right no from your computer, even! 🙂 There are lots of tips about how to do this on the Drug Policy Alliance website. I think there's even a dropdown menu of national publications so you can choose one from their list, write it or paste in their talking points and send it right from their site. These webpages and groups are REALLY organized. More so than some of the ones for more mainstream causes like disease etc.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 11:23 pm ET

Helene, I love your publicity ideas!! You are right, James didn't let a single comment slide (well, until I asked him if he was a child molester,... but I digress).

It would be great to generate a lot of interest in the facts!! If I am not watching the CNN rerun tonight, I will tape it.

Also, if a majority believe the way to full legalization is through a one state trial, I will fully support that effort.


Illegalsmile   March 28th, 2009 11:26 pm ET

itsokjustletgo, Thanks for schooling us to just totally ignore people who don't act respectfully. Boy did I try at first! Helene, you did an awesome job to the end. It really is the best thing to do and it is best if one skips right over the posts so as not to get sucked in.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 11:33 pm ET

Illegalsmile, thanks for the letting us know that these groups are really organized!! It will be so good to not "reinvent the wheel".

Yes, this is a much nicer place to be, the CNN moderators are wonderful!!

Tim, I have heard that the most open minded political leaders are in California and Oregon, but some have posted on this blog that this is not really true, based on their experiences.

I am concerned that a "trial" would leave the door open for someone like James (or whatever his name is) to ruin it, and then we would be in a worsened state.

It seems to me like it would be better to mobilize the public to ask for FULL legalization, and then, if compromises are made, they could be something like limiting personal possession to 10 pounds.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 11:35 pm ET

Linda, the DL hughley interview with the anti-mj guy is about 1/2 way through the show... and about a five or ten minute interview.

Also, remember Einstein's theory of nuclear fission.... if everyone got five friends/family/business associates to participate in a constant letter writing campaign... and those five friends got five friends... and so on and so on.... we'd get some real results.

We could all be going in different directions - reaching out in different places to get the word out... and we'd make a collective difference.


tim   March 28th, 2009 11:36 pm ET

Im guess im with you Linda. I would want it to be MY state also, hehe. Freedom for all sounds much better. I am thinking, Larrys show seems to the major source for discussion at the moment, so I guess Im hoping he will take another step forward. Maybe we should email Montel, tell him to take a look in this blog and get his opinion also.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 11:37 pm ET

Itsokjustletgo, you are right, if we had all consistently, from the beginning, ignored James, he would have been gone long ago.

I wholeheartedly agree that it is heartening to see so many people speak up, how wonderful that our time seems to have come!! 🙂


Linda   March 28th, 2009 11:41 pm ET

CNN is discussing it again now.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 11:41 pm ET

CNN is addressing last night's Larry King Live show.... right now....


Helene   March 28th, 2009 11:44 pm ET

Don Lemon just dissed the "on-line" community.... what the hell?


tim   March 28th, 2009 11:45 pm ET

I just realized, this blog dwarfs all the other Larry King blogs.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 11:45 pm ET

Am I the only one who noticed that segment was biased against legalization? Stephen Baldwin, and mostly emails against legalization, do not represent the majority of Americans, a fact which I am thrilled to have recently learned.

When I looked at the Larry King poll on this website (which is pretty middle of the road America) and saw that 80% favored legalization, I realized that the time is now.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 11:49 pm ET

Helene wrote: Don Lemon just dissed the “on-line” community…. what the hell?

I suspect that he thought that since Barack Obama basically did the same thing, it would make him cool to do it, too.


don   March 28th, 2009 11:50 pm ET

don lemon discredited the online audience like the president


Linda   March 28th, 2009 11:53 pm ET

The online community played a big role in getting Obama elected, he appears to have already forgotten that.


Helene   March 28th, 2009 11:53 pm ET

Well... I guess CNN likes to hire parrots.


Linda   March 28th, 2009 11:57 pm ET

Helene, I totally agree, success will come because of ALL of us, not because just ONE of us does something.

I wonder how high the percent of people favoring legalization could go, if everyone in the country were aware of all of the facts.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 12:00 am ET

Just now, I realized that Stephen Baldwin sounds just like James.

He is trying to superimpose his experience on to all of us.

Just because he goes around getting addicted to things, doesn't mean everyone else does.


don   March 29th, 2009 12:06 am ET

yo are tottaly right linda


Linda   March 29th, 2009 12:10 am ET

In the beginning of that segment, a comment was made about how the people who buy marijuana are fueling the violence.

This is a falsehood which needs to be debunked. The laws are fueling the violence.


Jim   March 29th, 2009 12:10 am ET

Marijuana is the third most popular recreational drug in America (behind only alcohol and tobacco), and has been used by nearly 100 million Americans. According to government surveys, some 25 million Americans have smoked marijuana in the past year, and more than 14 million do so regularly despite harsh laws against its use. Our public policies should reflect this reality, not deny it.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 12:17 am ET

itsokjustletgo: thanx for the link... I will have to check it out.

You are so right! Mexican pot is "dirt weed".... and it's crap... probably sprayed with a bunch of pesticides, herbicides and fungicides.

I stay away from that doo-doo, 2.


don   March 29th, 2009 12:17 am ET

we need to get some of the smart pro marijuana people on don lemons twitters...because what he showed on tv...the majority of his views were negative. he doesnt realize that even people who do not smoke marijuana are for this plan. i mean alcohol and cigarettes are legal dont they kill huge numbers each year.. thx =)


Linda   March 29th, 2009 12:21 am ET

Some of us have posted about how we have been "nervous" about even discussing this subject in public.

I wonder if these newscasters are actually voicing their own opinions, or if they are voicing the opinions they are expected to have if they want to keep their jobs.

Now the Federal government is spending more of our tax dollars to send thousands of troops to Juarez?!?

The mayor claims it is helping, but this is very short sighted. Even if the federal government makes spending all this money to keep troops there, this is not a permanent solution, as they will just start getting into boats and bringing it in through Canada.

How much will it cost to have thousands of military troops at every single edge of the country? It is time for a revolution of the US citizens!!


don   March 29th, 2009 12:22 am ET

they have all different strains i am shure lol


Mario Martinez   March 29th, 2009 12:22 am ET

I find the comments of H. Clinton as well as Mr. King to be deplorable. To blame the citizens of the U.S for the drug violence in Mexico is a slap in the face to all Americans. Yes, there is a large market for drugs in the U.S, but has anyone thought that that is caused from years of Mexican gangs infultraiting our citys to poison our young, prey on the dreams of our poor with promises of easy gain, and spread fear in our neighborhood. If you ask me, the battle spread across the border many years ago!!


itsokjustletgo   March 29th, 2009 12:27 am ET

Don, thank you for that great idea. i have just twittered don lemon... we'll see if it gets on his show. On the good side, Rick Sanchez seems to be pretty open minded. He often has pro-pot positions on his twitters...


Helene   March 29th, 2009 12:27 am ET

Perhaps illegalsmile will post some of his brilliant statistics on Don Lemon's blogs. If you missed those stats, check this blog's notes for yesterday [3/27] somewhere between 9 pm and midnight.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 12:28 am ET

Itsokjustletgo, you are making an important point, there may not be all that much money for the government to make by taxing marijuana, since many people will grow their own.

The biggest economic impact will be because all this money will no longer need to be spent on any of the many aspects of this "war".

This war could be over tonight with full legalization. Problem solved.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 12:39 am ET

Can you believe this nonsense about how going after the head of the Cartel will "solve" anything.

Tom keeps dodging the fact that full legalization would stop the "war" right this minute.

Hey, I just realized that this is part of the false information which needs to be debunked!!

The phrase: "war" on drugs implies that marijuana is an enemy to be conquered.

We need to rename this as something like "war against freedom".


don   March 29th, 2009 12:40 am ET

i tottaly agree


Helene   March 29th, 2009 12:41 am ET

Illegalsmile was also siting the costs of prosecuting and jailing people convicted of this offense.... that would save oooodles and oooodles of cash, in addition to the monthly millions or billions spent on this "war".


Linda   March 29th, 2009 12:46 am ET

Right on, Helene, I totally agree!! Also when these people are freed, they will go back to paying income taxes.

There are lots of "fingers" on the topic of money and this "war against freedom".

Most states are claiming financial difficulties, immediately stopping this "war against freedom" would help their budgets today, without raising taxes.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 12:48 am ET

Yes, I agree we should rename this thing.... but let's drop the name "war".... I think we've all had enough war.

When you consider the concept of "the law of attraction", what you focus on is what you give energy to.... so even by calling it a war, we being counter-active to what we want to accomplish. We need to find a phrase that includes the word "peace"....

...like green peace.... but, since that term is already in use....


Illegalsmile   March 29th, 2009 12:49 am ET

War Against Freedom! Love it! Trading the outdated and fearmongering terminology for more truthful verbiage is an awesome strategy. What I'm seeing people push to change is the term drug war to the term prohibition. Here's what a person from a newsgroup I belong to had to say about this:

By persistently using the term "drug prohibition" we forced this term into the general vocabulary to the disdain of drug warriors who prefer to avoid any connection with the failed Alcohol Prohibition policy of the 1920s and 30s. The drug crusaders avoided the use of the word "prohibition" at all costs knowing that once the connection was made the failure of drug policy would become more apparent. Connecting Alcohol Prohibition to the drug war also immediately provides a solution to "drug problems"- namely REPEAL! I still remember my excitement when I saw my first LTE published using "drug prohibition" to describe American drug policy.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 12:50 am ET

...how 'bout... "the peace plan"


Linda   March 29th, 2009 12:51 am ET

Yes, Helene, I totally agree!! War against freedom is better than war on drugs, but I was just thinking that surely there must be a better name.

Perhaps we should stop referring to their war at all, and instead refer to what we want: Peaceful Freedom.

Let's brainstorm this further!! 🙂


steve keniston   March 29th, 2009 12:52 am ET

It's not just the use of marijuana, but it's also the use of hemp. A very useful product, for paper, cloth and fuel. Check out to see what Canada does, they make a great income from hemp alone. Even recreationally it's less harmful than alcohol, and less deadly. Obama stated this question was "very popular". Doesn't that say something? I thought governments job was to organize what the people want, not tell us what we can have.


Illegalsmile   March 29th, 2009 12:54 am ET

Here's a horrifying statistic:
Aproximately one in 31 adults in the US is in prison, in jail, or on parole.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 12:57 am ET

O.K. ..."The Peace Plan... for Drug Prohibition" ...or.... The Drug Prohibition Peace Plan....


Linda   March 29th, 2009 12:58 am ET

How about this idea? When we refer to what "we" want we call it a "Peace Plan" (if that turns out to be the name). On one hand, I like the sound of it, on the other hand, I can hear the PP jokes distracting from the issue already.

When we refer to what they are doing, which on occasion will be necessary, we can call it THEIR "War Against Freedom", (unless someone else comes up with improved wording).


Helene   March 29th, 2009 1:05 am ET

Linda.... the DL Hughley show is on right now.... make sure you listen closely to the anti-mj guy.... he should be coming up soon.... sooner than I thought.

He claims a host of conditions created by smoking mj... check it out.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 1:09 am ET

Thanks Helene, Yes, I am watching, and I am typing during the commercials.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 1:11 am ET

itsokayjustletgo:

Wow! thanx for that... Is there another conversation on Larry King about legalization of mj going on right now?


Christine   March 29th, 2009 1:27 am ET

I think pot gets a bad rap because now days it's mixed with everything else. I don't know of any scientific studies that prove pot is bad as they say. It's really a mellow drug in pure form & people who don't want pot should try it;) . If used as medication, regulated and in pure form would be better than off the street – where you don't know what you're buying. There has been so many recalls on so many other prescriptive drugs, that are addictive, habit forming and worse than pot.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 1:29 am ET

So... the guy on DL Hughley was Ronald Brooks, for the Narcotic Officers Association Coalition. Funny.... he says the folks in Neverlands who are smoking bud in the cafes are just hangin' out watching cartoons and eating twinkies. Looks like he's had a few too many twinkies.

He claims that people who smoke pot eat a bunch of junk? I eat so unbelievably healthy.... I AM EXTREMELY HEALTHY... I eat organically.... lots of vegetables, fruits, sprouted grains.... fish.... no white sugar, no white flour....

Most cops I know consider MJ harmless... I always admit to Cops that I smoke, just to get a reaction from them. Most agree - it's kool. In fact, I've never met a cop who did not think mj was harmless.

Let's see... this guy also said mj causes chronic health problems.... looks like he probably has some elevated cholesterol, triglycerides, blood pressure.... hey.... this guy definitely is developing some chronic health problems based on his appearance.... (super heavy guy)... and he obviously does not smoke pot. So, what'z his excuse?

He said smoking mj triggers suicide among kids, ADD, ADHD, depression....

...and as far as weakening the immune system... so does refined sugars, refined flours, refined fats.... and toxic people.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 1:34 am ET

Well, it was interesting to see that plump man criticizing other people for eating Twinkies.

He reported something about 65% of a particular youth group in a Youth Treatment facility due to marijuana.

This sounds misleading, at best. What did they do, arrest 65% of the youths?

He also claimed that marijuana triggers thoughts of depression and suicide, and that it also triggers ADHD, and suppresses the immune system, and he frequently used the word death as a scare tactic.

Over and over he tried to link it to illegal chemical drugs. He reported that the police were having all kinds of "problems" relating to it.

Well, that last one is really easy, if it were fully legal, the police would not need to be involved in it.

He also claimed that there is no one in jail for possession, that all these people have received a "plea bargain" from a charge of selling.

The worst part of this, is that this man is being presented as an "expert", in this field.

Somewhere in there he said something about representing policemen, I wonder if his own job security is at the root of his position.

He referenced the "Institute of Medicine Study", which supposedly backs up his "facts", does anyone know anything about this alleged study?


Helene   March 29th, 2009 1:34 am ET

...and schizophrenia.... he also said mj causes you to go schizo!


Walter Moore   March 29th, 2009 1:39 am ET

Millions are effected by alcohol abuse and nicotine addiction every year; yet, we make such a big deal out of legalizing marijuana, a drug that's far less worse than the ones we're familiar with. Not to mention, it could help the economy, prevent drug related crimes, and would preserve prison space for more serious offenders: sex-offenders, murderers, etc...


Linda   March 29th, 2009 1:42 am ET

Welcome Christine, I completely agree with you!! There is no real evidence of all these "problems" with marijuana, so they (somewhat under their breath) admit that they are really talking about other drugs, just like this Ronald Brooks just did.

While the host did a good job of disagreeing, he did not know any actual facts, so he did not appear credible, and he did not do a good job of making sure the guest stayed on the subject of marijuana and did not interject comments about illegal chemical drugs into the mix.

Helene, I totally agree that this guy has no business lecturing about alleged "health issues" of any sort whatsoever.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 1:50 am ET

...funny enough.... the guy seemed to have kool energy... he did not interrupt... he was calm... nice... just full of facts that were not true.


Illegalsmile   March 29th, 2009 1:51 am ET

Once again, it outrageous for a news group like CNN to have a law enforecment officer speaking on a what are clearly health ctopics. Why not a doctor or a research scientist? I think I'm going to ask my dentist about trespassing laws and maybe I'll call my dermatologist if my car ever gets stolen. I mean really! How much more does the American have to take from news organizations spinning this issue?


Helene   March 29th, 2009 2:00 am ET

Illegalsmile.... excellent point! Strangely enough... most cops I've talked to (as previously mentioned) TOTALLY DISAGREE WITH THIS OFFICER"s POSITION. Like I said, throughout my life, I've always made it a habit to poll police officers on this position... and they all think the whole thing is rediculous...and mj, harmless.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 2:10 am ET

Marcel, just so you are aware, there are both Republicans and Democrats who support FULL legalization of marijuana, and we are sticking together about this issue, regardless of what other things we may disagree about.

We all need each other to get these laws changed, there is strength in numbers! 🙂


Marcel   March 29th, 2009 2:11 am ET

Linda, that is good to hear.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 2:12 am ET

Yeah, Marcel, it really is aggravating to hear them diss Obama without even 100 days in office. It's like they'd rather have him hide behind closed doors, like the Bush League.

That guy was such an idiot. He could not even put a sentence together, let alone run a country.... but, you never heard them diss him. Unbelievable.

It goes back to the old saying: "If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem". The republicans dissing Obama are part of the problem... and it is painful to listen to them on a daily basis.


Illegalsmile   March 29th, 2009 2:17 am ET

Helene, You're brave for asking them. I'm not a big fan, myself. 😉 My dad always warned me that a cop will always be the worst behaved citizen at the scene of any crime – unless its a violent crime. I've found it to be true so I live by it. I'm glad you've had good experiences though! Do they say they look the other way? The former police chief of Seatle, Gil Kerlikowske (now Obama's pick to head The Office of National Drug Control Policy had a low priority marijuana policy that was respected by his force. I appreciated hearing that.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 2:31 am ET

Cops deal with so many A-holes, so many do get jaded and behave badly... I agree. But my conversations with them were always casual in a non-violent setting... like a coffee shop.

In West Hollywood, police officers have been instructed to look the other way. I lived in West Hollywood... and anyone who does, knows this is true. ...probably written somewhere.... and if you interview a police officer who works in West Hollywood, you can get the facts for yourself.


Marcel   March 29th, 2009 2:31 am ET

Thank you Linda for giving me an update on the support of the Republicans on drugs. That brightens my day.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 2:40 am ET

You're welcome, Marcel. I wish I could say that it is ALL Republicans, and ALL Democrats, there are still many in each party who are in opposition.

But there are MANY in each of the parties who support full legalization, and together add up to a big majority of the country.

I also support the idea of not calling marijuana a "drug", because of the negativity attached to that word.

It is a herb, which we should be free to have, as citizens here in the LAND OF THE FREE!! 🙂

We are all adults, fully capable of using self discipline in regard to this plant.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 2:41 am ET

Well, perhaps we need to be communicating with Officer Gil K., and educating him... and getting his input and advice.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 2:45 am ET

Helene, I was thinking the same thing!! The fact that President Obama appointed this man is a very good sign, and perhaps he will be willing, and is in a position, to help!


Helene   March 29th, 2009 2:52 am ET

Marcel... I know someone who lives near GAZA - which, by the way, the Israeli's gave back to the Palestinians.... even after many of their soldiers died over a war for it... developed it... made it into a livable place.... then gave it back, to be nice.

Still, on a daily basis, rockets are being launched toward Israel.... and the same scenario you described happens to Israelis - regularly... even after they compromise and try to create peace.... these rockets have been lauched for the past two years... so the people who live in that area have to live in bomb shelters.... for the past two years.... the kids hide in bomb shelters and have no lives.... these are Israeli kids.

The arab nation should help their own people and give them what they need to survive and have a wonderful life. Most Arab nations are wealthy enough to share the money... but they don't . They just want to keep blaming Israeli's who just want to live in peace.... Just like republicans keep blaming Obama who just wants to live in Peace.

You really don't know all the facts. But, if you want to hear it from someone who lives there, I will give you his email address... and you can argue with someone who really knows the score.


Marcel   March 29th, 2009 2:56 am ET

I also hope that people don't forget who created this whole economical crises in his 8 year of "dictatorship". And whom put this country in a dump.

I just hope people will remember that with the elections 3,5 years from now. Please, no more Republicans taking over the White House. If this is the case, the rich will get richer a lot more and the lower class and what is left of the middle class will suffer. Less tax for the rich and increased tax for everybody else. Not really a great idea.

In Holland it is, the more you earn, the more tax you pay. I think this is only fair. And saying that socialism is a bad thing. I don't see it that way. Is Holland a socialistic democracy. Yes, to a certain extent. The argument that many people have that in a socialistic country, the governement will rule what the banks, newspaper, news, and so on are doing is not correct. The governemtn is not controlling the news and/or the news papers. And so on. Holland is a very democratic country. And yeah are taxes really high. Yes. But this has as consequence that Holland is a well run country. There is freedom for everything. Petrol is being taxed about 500 or 600%. Sigarettes even more. 10 years ago the tax for groceries was 18,5%. It probably went up. We don't really see this as a problem. Naturally we feel upset when they increase the taxes. But we know that it is for a good cause. Taxes on cars are very very high. Taxes on owning a house is high.

The Dutch government is puting a lot of this money into education and health care. They have done this since whenever. A long long time. And is still working. Holland puts a lot of emphasis on Education. Our crime level is pretty low compared to other countries in the world, including the US.

I would say, President Obama look at how a socialistic democracy works in Holland (succesfully). And still give the people and companies their freedom.

Again, I am not saying that Holland is perfect. No country is. But being open to anything and everything is a must.


Pixi Anderson   March 29th, 2009 2:57 am ET

It feels to me like a slap in the face every time "the online community" is referred to as questionable. Are we forgetting the online community was a huge help in electing President Obama. It sounds like a convenient friendship.
Perhaps we the people who are glued to this issue care because we realize the truths in the topic. The online community can more readily hunt down and, track and report the FACTS of this issue from the disgusting amount of federal funds going to a failing war on drugs, to how many innocent people are currently housed in prisons across our nation over this matter. Millions of dollars are being wasted on this when our country is other wise bankrupt. I am sick of this country taking cuts from every needed community program to feed the "moral" code of what a bunch of pork bellied hypocrites think is right for me.
God forbid road rage should end or farmers save their farm by growing hemp or a pill popper should get off the pharmaceuticals and solve their pain by a healthier product.
It's a shame, even the President see's this issue as a joke.


Marcel   March 29th, 2009 3:07 am ET

Hi Helena,

I have Israeli friends. Again I am not saying that I support either side. I am just saying that I can see why the people in Israel do what they think is best for their country and why the people in the Gaza do what is in their interst.

Could the Arab world help out. Yes. Are they ever going to do that. Most unlikely. This war has been raging on for too many years. Plus most Arab countries/people want Israel to be destroyed. So the solution of Arab countries putting their money into the Gaza so that the people have a better life, will most likely never come. Throughout history Israel has been attacked by many of the surrounding countries. Most of these countries probably enjoy Israleis being blown up.

In my opinion: No more war.

We did enter the aquarius time period a couple of months ago. It is well known that this time period will be a period of peace. But not without a lot of sacrifices and warfare. It's like the weather. It is always quiet before a storm. A big storm is coming. And then after this storm, hopefully there will be peace. Is the storm already here. Yes. But I do not believe it has reached its peak. Which is most likely 1000% or more worse.Just look at what happened in the last 9 years.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 3:07 am ET

Yeah... and I believe health care is FREE and they get six weeks of paid vacation.... Everybody attends College for FREE... and if a woman has a baby, I believe she gets a whole bunch of time off.... I think it's 6 months of paid time... or something that...


jack   March 29th, 2009 3:11 am ET

It is obvious to even someone with any knowledge of history, that Prohibition does not work. Prohibition is what is fueling the terrible violence in Mexico that is spreading into this country. Because of the herb’s illogically illegal status, gangs are fighting over territory. Same thing happened with alcohol . Legalize and the prices will be very low and the cartels will not be fighting to control it’s sell. That would take away their power. Plus the huge crops that are currently produced in our country could be taxed and help the economy.
And a huge bonus would be to benefit from the herb’s many positive uses, as well as free up prison cells for violent criminals, Add to this the wasted cost of investigating and prosecuting people for a victemless crime,and the issue for legalization becomes a “no brainer.”
Only those who have not honestly studied this issue would consider this a laughing matter. And many people who voted for social progress and a resurgence of science and reason,will feel betrayed and take their vote elsewhere, if this is not addressed in a serious manner. I have read many comments on this, and there is a lot of disappointment that a common sense approach isn’t being examined or even taken seriously.
A parting thought: would the very people treating the subject as a joke be laughing if they had been apprehended when they admittedly used the drug, and instead of going on to a high political office had a conviction on their record for a “crime”?


Marcel   March 29th, 2009 3:12 am ET

I hope that the predictions made by many people 100s and 1000s of years ago about the end of the world (Dec 21st 2012) is true. Not in the way that most predictions are made. I do not believe that it is the end of the world but entering another era where there is peace in this world. The Navajo Indians believe that that is going to happen on that date. Peace. Will there be natural disasters. Maybe/maybe not. We'll have to see. But I vote for the prediciotn made by the Navajos. Finally. PEACE.


Marcel   March 29th, 2009 3:15 am ET

In Holland Marijuana is a billion dollar tourist industry. And the government is getting a lot of tax money. Although the price for buying is very very cheap.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 3:16 am ET

Well, the pendulum always swings the other way.... but, it is important to keep "The Law of Attraction" in mind: what we believe is what we attract. So, believe that everything is getting better, and it will!

That's what I believe. Life is what you make of it. We – as a nation – have been an extremely materialistic. So, the fact that people are losing stuff.... well.... as long as they are not commiting suicide over "the stuff", they will probably discover the simplicity of life is fine ....and that they can learn to live with less and be just as happy as long as they cultivate meaningful and authentic relationships.... that are not based on getting more stuff.... but based on love, true friendship and chemistry.


Marcel   March 29th, 2009 3:17 am ET

Actually a woman gets 3-6 months off. A father gets about 2-4 months off. Or something like that.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 3:18 am ET

Jack, thank you for your insightful comments, I wholeheartedly agree.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 3:25 am ET

re: The Mayan Calendar.... Psychic Sylvia Brown says they just ran out of ink! She predicts another 95 years to live on this planet. Who knows? Maybe she's right.

And, Jack, right on! If you go back to the beginning of this blog, you will realize just how many people think exactly as you do.


Marcel   March 29th, 2009 3:27 am ET

I actually moved to a country for 2 years where materialism was not big. I sort of chose to live without all the things that I had. I was very materialistic. I went on a 4 week holiday and stayed for almost 2 years. It was a place in the mountains. The first 2 months lving, I slept in the tiniest caravan with my sister and her boyfriend. I had a place next to the dog. The first neighbor was about 1 mile away. The first very small village about 7 miles and the coast about 15 miles. After living in their caravan I decided to sleep in a tent. After that in the tiniest car you can imagine. In those 2 years, I moved about 9 times or was it 11. My belongings were able to fit in my car. People in this region were very nice and it was a very close community. The "native" people took me in as one of their own. They fed me, gave me free drinks, and so on. Of course I was able to pay for it. This is what I would like to see that a community, and I know it is more difficult the bigger the community is, take care of their own people. I know it can be done. The 7 villages that were in a reach of about 15-20 minutes held a very close bond.


Marcel   March 29th, 2009 3:29 am ET

Jack,

Definetely.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 3:40 am ET

Wow, Marcel... what a journey that was! You are brave... and probably not very materialistic any more.

I had been robbed of my "nest egg" a couple of years ago... and was on the move like that.... did not have anywhere to live. I could have moved back into my mother's million dollar home back in Cleveland... she even offered to buy me a house, but I would have to put up with enormous emotional abuse, and to me, nothing was worth that.

I can not put a price on my integrity... and so I decided to be homeless.... finally, someone with a heart took me in... and by the Grace of God, I am so very blessed and have everything I need to heal my life.... so.... you just got to be true to your self.... build integrity... not do things for $$$ and safety.... just follow your instincts.... follow your heart.... be true to yourself.... even if that means living in a tent, even though you could choose a palace if you compromise your integrity.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 4:03 am ET

...anyways.... I guess the moral of the story is.... whatever you need in life, ask God for it.... and it will come your way.

Let's pray for the decriminalization and legalization of mj ... let's pray that it will be completely legal to grow your own.... or to buy it for a reasonable price (for those of us who don't have quite the green thumb].

Good Night!


Linda   March 29th, 2009 4:16 am ET

Amen!! and Goodnight to all !!


don   March 29th, 2009 10:46 am ET

the DL special ...in califoria was a great idea, i mean he demonstrated how much money the goverment is getting from these marijuana clinics already. the owner stating they give the gov't (100k dollars a month).. i think that sounds better than paying mexico with our money.


Illegalsmile   March 29th, 2009 11:18 am ET

Good morning Don, Yes, if the DEA no longer enforced marijuana laws it would cut their budget by millions and they could no longer justify themselves. When you say "the owner" do you mean Charles Lynch, the man dxue to be sentenced for his ownership of a mmj dispensary?


don   March 29th, 2009 11:28 am ET

morning smile, no it was another place DL hughley went to in california, DL is a big supporter of the legalization which was nice to see, i suggest you try to find the show from yesterday online or somthing. He actual tried sticking up for our community better than i have seen on the channel.


don   March 29th, 2009 11:31 am ET

i saw the chales lynch thig on larry king friday...yeah that kind of stuff really has to stop....obama will get to it im shure, that was one of his main running points.


don   March 29th, 2009 12:10 pm ET

yeah smile they are no better than thieves wow.....im shure they profit somehow off it....or they wouldnt bother, that is all anybody cares about is money in this day and age....its a shame


Illegalsmile   March 29th, 2009 12:21 pm ET

WOW, great video! It's kind of a funny culture isn't it!? I have not smoked for years and years so I am not up on all the names and strains etc. It has become an art.

And to comment further on the raids, I think the DEA is profiting from their thefts. I just read that in San Diego, they were attempting to sell mmj to some men and a high speed chase ensued. The men threw all the money out of the car window and now the DEA is trying to get it back from all the pedestrians who stopped and picked it up. AS IF!


itsokjustletgo   March 29th, 2009 1:10 pm ET

Helene,

i really have to agree with you here, from my own experience, if we really want to move mountains, take (just TRY it, no matter what your doubting mind might say) Helene's advice:

March 29th, 2009 4:03 am ET

…anyways…. I guess the moral of the story is…. whatever you need in life, ask God for it…. and it will come your way.

Let’s pray for the decriminalization and legalization of mj … let’s pray that it will be completely legal to grow your own…. or to buy it for a reasonable price (for those of us who don’t have quite the green thumb].


Linda   March 29th, 2009 1:11 pm ET

In an attempt to look at the big picture for the purpose of identifying the things which MUST change in order for victory to occur, it seems that there are 2 main components:

1) The news media must start reporting actual facts (such as Prohibition of marijuana, in any manner, IS the root of all the violence). There are also many other facts which are not being reported, or are being twisted in such a manner as to be misleading.

2) The elected officials must be convinced that a majority of the population is in favor of FULL legalization, so there is no need for them to be nervous or afraid of immediately eliminating these laws, and FORCING states to do the same.

Although there may be many steps involved to accomplish this, a "piece work" type solution, such as legalization, but only through a doctor, or legalization only in some states, will APPEAR to have been a mistake, because all the negative consequences of prohibition will still exist in some form.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 1:14 pm ET

Hey Guys...

re: thieves.... from what I understand, when someone is busted for possession, "they" get to take your house, all of your possessions... it's quite lucrative for whomever is behind this to keep the status quo. Basically, they get to keep ALL YOUR STUFF.... without any questions asked.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 1:32 pm ET

Hi, Linda!

I think you can add a #3 to your list:

Somehow, we need to consolidate all the great ideas which have been posted in this blog over the past few days into a "fact sheet"...so all this conversation does not go to waste.

With that, we can start marketing the truth, and educating the public, so more and more people demand it in lieu of pharmaceuticals, alcohol, and ...well... rage. Rage is a drug, too. Pot really mellows you out...with feelings of peace and tranquility (in the right dose, of course). Too much of a good thing is always bad, across the board... (except love, of course).


Dave of Detroit   March 29th, 2009 1:38 pm ET

Come on now Folks, Obama promised that the Country wouldn't "Go to Pot" on his watch and he is just fulfilling his campaign promise. Now if he would just forget going into Afghanistan -I don't want an "Exit Strategy" or a "Focused" Strategy, I want a Non- Entry Strategy unless equal funding and troops are supplied by the other Nations that have been subject to attack.Otherwise, I am content to let Old Bin Laden come out and play, the Talban can once again run the Country and stop growing drugs to sell to us like every other Country we have invaded since Nam and maybe our Nation will come down from our Drug and Pill enduced "High" and see the mess our politicians have really made of this Country-with a lot of Help from the Aethistic Supreme Court that Hypocritically swears into office on the Bible and rapidly gets rid of any reference to it in the Nation's Courts!


Linda   March 29th, 2009 2:32 pm ET

Hi Jeromeparkin, I wholeheartedly agree with your post!! The focus of this country needs to shift to the REAL priorities!!

Your insights about prohibition are right on target. Before this prohibition, marijuana freely existed, and people were expected to be intelligent about it.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 3:40 pm ET

Helene, I totally agree that putting the information on this blog together would be helpful!! Perhaps a start would be to check out all the websites to see if a "fact sheet" has already been prepared by one of them.

It seems that the more we have more people, and the more these people are more familiar with the facts, we will be able to have greater influence all around.

I suspect that President Obama will see the foolishness in putting down the online community sooner rather than later, and that the newscasters who are puppeting him will start puppeting Obama's new attitude.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 3:50 pm ET

PixiAnderson, thanks for your insights!! President Obama seems to be a "forward" thinker, so I'm wondering if he is just trying to figure out how he can mandate FULL legalization, and still get reelected?

He seems fairly bright, so he probably has already figured out that any type of "partial legalization" won't do much to save money or stop violence, since prohibition would still exist in some form.

We just need to convince him that the positive consequences which would come his way as a result of FULL legalization, FAR outweigh the few negative consequences which might come his way, in terms of political fallout.


don   March 29th, 2009 4:43 pm ET

pros and cons? cigaretes ,alcohol, and marijuana

it is apparent than most of the people who use marijuana, use it as a healthier alternative to legal drugs that seem to be far worse of a lethal threat. They use even at the risk of punishment because they know it should be legal....i mean we have all seen the death rates cause by cigarettes and alcohol, let alone most people in the united states have lost friends or family from either two of these so called (safer than marijuana) drugs. when the deaths caused from marijuana is mainly over the money it produces, not from its use. it seems like a common sense argument doesnt it?


Helene   March 29th, 2009 4:54 pm ET

Itsokjustletgo...

It's not always about not being able to afford a computer. Enormous numbers of people are still AFRAID of computers. ...they don't know how to use them. ....old dog.... new tricks.... And, it's not always the older folks that are afraid to learn new things.


itsokjustletgo   March 29th, 2009 4:59 pm ET

Helene, good point. It seems if folks are going to start to profile us in terms of online vs non, we should get some stats on both communities regarding positions on things like legalization . Until then, I wish folks would drop the term and the rhetoric. It is confusing and I believe it is a way of discrediting our voice.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 5:00 pm ET

Joe Colangelo: ....EXACTLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

... and Don: Not to mention, the second hand smoke they have finally figured out - is lethal, too.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 5:01 pm ET

Joe Colangelo, I completely agree with your comments!! Just because Stephen Baldwin goes around getting addicted to things, doesn't mean everyone (or even more than a few) would.

It would help if Larry King would realize that just because someone is a high profile actor or talk show host, that does not make them an "expert", or a "spokesperson".

I am thrilled, however, that the conversation has started, and am thankful for the part Larry King has played in getting the dialogue on this subject broadcasted.

Now, the broadcasting needs to be upgraded to include some actual facts about the devestation which is being caused by this war against freedom.

Just because Montel wants to pay his doctor to make it ok for him to get a plant, everyone else shouldn't have to do so.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 5:49 pm ET

It would be really great if we could start "vlogging" (video blogs) on YouTube.com. Lot's of people are visually oriented.... they need to "see" things. And, the vlog needs to be marketed and promoted so newscasters across the country comment on it.

And Linda..... you are right: we need to be very grateful to Larry King and CNN for allowing this platform, even though their choice of guests can be questionable.

How many comments so far? 1082 or something like that? This conversation has been going on for 3 days, non-stop. THAT'S SIGNIFICANT.


tim   March 29th, 2009 6:55 pm ET

The studies done on alcohol, cigarettes, and alot of prescription meds are FAR worse in comparison. This simply doesnt make any sense at all.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 7:07 pm ET

Hey Tim,

I just read that fascinating article.... it ends like this:

The truth about medical marijuana: In the end, it's really quite simple. Here's what you say to those who would deny medical marijuana.

1- When they say there's no proof that it works, ask them to explain that directly to a medical marijuana patient.
2 – When they say that marijuana is dangerous, ask them to explain Irv Rosenfeld.
3 – When they say they're worried about the message that's sent to children, ask them to explain the fact that in states that have passed medical marijuana, recreational use by teens has dropped.
4 – And finally, ask them: "Why do you want to throw sick people in jail for following the advice of their doctor?"


Helene   March 29th, 2009 7:14 pm ET

The thing about prescription drugs, is they are tested in isolation, not in combination with other drug therapies. Yet patients are often given 15-20 meds at a time, which all interact with each other... and the doctors are often clueless about the side effects, because often patients will "grin and bear it"... and not even mention it. As a registered dietitian, I've seen this first hand.


tim   March 29th, 2009 7:17 pm ET

It is fascinating Linda. Something else to consider, I seen plenty of news stories of entire towns where their children are ridden with cancer due to power lines and chemical plants. One could argue, alot of places on Earth has negative effects on health simply by breathing. The fact is aging has negative effects on health both mentally and physically.


don   March 29th, 2009 7:18 pm ET

tim March 29th, 2009 6:55 pm ET

The studies done on alcohol, cigarettes, and alot of prescription meds are FAR worse in comparison. This simply doesnt make any sense at all.

Exactly why is this always overlooked


tim   March 29th, 2009 7:34 pm ET

The fact is, we all make choices and the choices are ours to make alone. People who abuse substances are going to do it, regardless of the laws. To say someone who abuses pot is going to abuse pot to a greater extent if it were legal is pretty silly. Marijuana is here, its not going anywhere. The gov't should regulate it with the same standards as alcohol. It is absurd not to.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 8:38 pm ET

Itsokjustletgo
Helene
Tim
Don

Thank you all for the information you have shared in your recent posts!! I am catching up, and still have not watched Glenn Beck, yet.

Am I understanding this correctly, that there are now Republicans coming out PUBLICLY in favor of full legalization?!?

As I have disclosed more than once on this blog, I am a Christian, right winger (although, I do agree with Democrats about issues, such as good jobs for Americans).

I was aware that there are other Republicans who favor FULL legalization, but was not aware of any well known Republicans who were speaking out publicly in favor of it yet.


Michael   March 29th, 2009 8:38 pm ET

I still do not get why drugs such as alcohol and tobacco are legal while less harmful drugs like mj is illegal. If the government is very delusional when it comes to trying to protect the american people from "harmful" products, then they should worry more about banning alcohol and tobacco. The George Bush Sr. really brained wash america with his war on drugs and it has just been a huge waste of time and money since.


tim   March 29th, 2009 8:51 pm ET

Got tied up. To finish my point from earlier, I think the gov't should only dictate policy on things that the people cannot control, such as power lines and chemical facilities. The gov't cannot control everything nor should it. When it is a matter of choice, the people should decide.


tim   March 29th, 2009 9:04 pm ET

It should be the gov'ts job in make studies and inform the public so they can make rational decisions.


don   March 29th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

great point michael!!


don   March 29th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

Go on the NORML marijuana is being legalized in mass.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Fox News Sheperd Smith
Geraldo Rivera
Bill OReilly
These people have all come out in favor of legalization is various forms!!

Contact them in support!!


don   March 29th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

they will ingnore the issue like america has done forever


Linda   March 29th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

It's looking like Fox News will be more favorable toward legalization than CNN, who would have ever guessed that???


Linda   March 29th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

DEMOCRATS and REPUBLICANS lets stand together on this issue and not get sidetracked about whether we agree with these people at FOX NEWS about any other issues.

Get on their blogs and support their positions about this!!


don   March 29th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

A pair of bills — House Bill 2929 and Senate Bill 1801 — seeking to “tax and regulate the cannabis industry” have just been introduced in the Massachusetts legislature


Linda   March 29th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

Let's also encourage both REPUBLICANS AND DEMOCRATS to contact whoever is in favor of legalization over at MSNBC and lets blog our support of their positions, as well.

Does anyone have names of people in favor of legalization over at MSNBC?


Dayo Abeeb   March 29th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

Marijuana should be legalized in my own opinion, we should allow the American people to vote on this. I don't smoke and I don't drink. Legalizing it will help America to focus on any more pressing issue . Legalizing it will bring the price down and take the mogul out of business.
This will bring the crime rate down. We should not allow only the President to talk on this. It will never end. Allow referendum on this, once the American people speak, then the legislative can formulate a law around it which will become the law of the land. The President can then sign it into law.


don   March 29th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

ron paul too


Linda   March 29th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

Supporting newscasters who want to report actual facts, and are in favor of legalization is a really big deal!!

Whether we like it or not, these newscasters influence millions and millions of citizens, and the politicians pay attention to the polls about what citizens think.

Please everyone, let's share what we know about what newscasters are in favor.


tim   March 29th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

Google "Medical Cannabis Chronic Cannabis Use pdf" for an in depth study done on medical marijuana. Its called the The Missoula Chronic Clinical Cannabis Use Study. Not only does it support medical marijuana, it de-bunks the myths stating it has enormous negative effects. In fact is the negative effects are far less worse than prescription drugs, alcohol, or cigarettes. There is no logic to prohibit marijuana and allow far more harmful substances be sold.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

Thank you all for bearing with my comments about Democrats and Republicans sticking together.

Since the country is about 1/2 of each, we need the support of people from both parties to succeed.

People from both parties already favor legalization, we need to get along with one another long enough to get this passed.

We must be able to dialogue about this, without discussing anything else, such as who likes Bush, who likes Clinton, etc..., none of that matters in this discussion.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

Dayo Abeeb: I agree wholeheartedly.... but, how can we unite and share ideas about this when CNN keeps deleting our thoughts.... this is unconstitutional.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

Don thanks for posting about the bills!!

Tim thanks for posting about the study!!

Helene, vlogging and website sound great, the more factual publicity, the better.

I am trying to write briefer posts, so I don't miss something one of you has posted.

I don't want your posts to come and go while I am over here being longwinded. 🙂


don   March 29th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

happy to contribute


Linda   March 29th, 2009 10:41 pm ET

Don, I wrote down the statement from your post to reuse as I post and contact people about this:

Those who consider themselves leaders in government and the media have the obligation to either show how prohibition can be made to work or join in the exploration of alternatives.

This is powerful, Don, thanks again!!! 🙂


don   March 29th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

now lets get every state to do this


don   March 29th, 2009 10:46 pm ET

California’s highly publicized effort to legalize the commercial cultivation and sale of cannabis is getting some well-deserved company!

A pair of bills — House Bill 2929 and Senate Bill 1801 — seeking to “tax and regulate the cannabis industry” have just been introduced in the Massachusetts legislature.

These proposals seek to legally regulate the commercial production and distribution of marijuana for adults over 21 years of age. Like California’s proposal, they would impose licensing requirements and excise taxes on the retail sale of cannabis. By some estimates, these taxes could raise nearly $100 million in annual state revenue.

Adults who possess or grow marijuana for personal use, or who engage in the non-profit transfer of cannabis, would not be subject to taxation under the law.

You can read more about these bills at the new website: . If you live in Massachusetts, we urge you to write your elected officials in support of H. 2929 and S. 1801 by going here.

“Decades of whispered grumblings about the wisdom and efficacy of prohibition is rapidly giving way to a serious—really serious public discussion about how to replace it,” said former NORML Board Member Richard Evans, who assisted in drafting the landmark legislation. “Those who consider themselves leaders in government and the media have the obligation to either show how prohibition can be made to work, or join in the exploration of alternatives.”

We can’t think of a better place to begin this discussion on the east coast than Massachusetts, where last November 65 percent of voters endorsed a statewide initiative reclassifying marijuana possession as a fine-only offense under state law. Will a majority of Bay State voters also support legalization? We may soon find out

ok i removed the link i was unaware of the link before sorry mods...


don   March 29th, 2009 10:53 pm ET

great point linda we cannot stop this battle. it is the one that we hold stong feelings for...and apparently most of america


Linda   March 29th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

It sure would be great if we could get it done nationally, all at the same time!!


Linda   March 29th, 2009 10:58 pm ET

As Helen has pointed out, it's not just the posts with links which have disappeared, many others have also disappeared.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 10:59 pm ET

My post mentioning the miracle of Jesus turning water into somewhere between 120 and 180 gallons of wine has been deleted, and it didn't have any links in it.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 11:17 pm ET

Helene, I just posted a thank you to you about determining that CNN was deleting our previous posts, and it is gone!


Linda   March 29th, 2009 11:21 pm ET

Hopefully everyone read to go to Huffington Post website to read about how the United States Prohibition laws have made Mexican leaders rich.


tim   March 29th, 2009 11:22 pm ET

I think the debate on the legalization of marijuana should not be aimed at an economy boost but rather on individual rights. It should be only taxed enough to regulate it. It is important to drive the price down so the cartels are unable to profit in another illicit substance.


jack   March 29th, 2009 11:24 pm ET

It makes no sense not to legalize the harmless herb, marijuana. There has never been a reported death from the use of cannabis. What big-pharmn drug can make this claim? It would not only be a safe medicine for a wide variety of ailments, but would stop the large amount of gang violence virtually overnight, were it to be legalized. Also, think of all the jail cells freed up, and the many law enforcement people who could be free to pursue real crime…violent crime .


Linda   March 29th, 2009 11:24 pm ET

Thank you Helene, I have written down your email and will be in touch, you are a wonderful coordinator.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 11:28 pm ET

Tim,. I totally agree that this is an issue of freedom, and the amount of possible tax revenue is uncertain.

Still, all branches of the government (federal, state, local) are spending huge amounts of money to police, prosecute, and jail people, plus all the money for the thousands of military people at the border because of this prohibition.

If these were prosperous economic times for everyone, then perhaps no one would care, but this is the perfect time to include comments about how all this money could be saved.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 11:30 pm ET

Linda... have you checked out the organization that illegalsmile cited?

Americanws for Safe Access?


Linda   March 29th, 2009 11:34 pm ET

Helene, thanks for that information, I planned to get back to it, and did not, now I have written it down. 🙂


jack   March 29th, 2009 11:41 pm ET

This is supposedly "the land of freedom," yet people are jailed in large numbers for exercising their inalienable right to make their own decisions about their own body. So large drug companies produce deadly chemicals that they can freely hawk ad nauseum across the media, and people can walk in any convenience store and buy deadly , addictive nicotine, or a liquor store or supermarket and buy liquor, yet a harmless herb that has been proven through many studies to be one of nature's most harmless medicine. And we are supposed to ignore science and embrace false propaganda, and go on pretending? We were given brains, why is it so hard for the politicians and the people who are prejudiced against such a benevolent , safe, herb to use their reasoning abilities?


tim   March 29th, 2009 11:43 pm ET

Im amazed at how the off topic insults by James (aka Parwall) have not been deleted. Your bias is clearly noticeable Larry.


Linda   March 29th, 2009 11:48 pm ET

I suspect that they are just working their way through the posts by "James" and haven't edited all of them yet.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 11:52 pm ET

Jack.... you said it with eloquence...

Linda.... thanx for staying on the ball....


tim   March 29th, 2009 11:52 pm ET

I thought James' posts seemed more legible today... Someone should devise a program to instance this website to a public server.


Helene   March 29th, 2009 11:55 pm ET

Personally, I don't think Larry King has anything to do with what is going on here...

The cherry picking of deletions....


Linda   March 29th, 2009 11:56 pm ET

Jack, isn't it exciting to see the tide turning?!?


tim   March 29th, 2009 11:59 pm ET

Larry King is the name at the header. He may not be moderating, but he is responsible for his employee's actions. Im sure they have a policy.


don   March 30th, 2009 12:11 am ET

awsome point Jack... we are supposed to believe lies


jack   March 30th, 2009 12:13 am ET

Yes, theguy on Hughley was spouting a lot of propaganda. Wonder who is paying him to say such ridiculous , absurd things?


Linda   March 30th, 2009 12:15 am ET

The guy on Hughley was a cop, that's why he was talking about all the problems the police were having with it.

The solution is simple, end the prohibition, then the cops "problems" with it would be over.


jack   March 30th, 2009 12:17 am ET

Yes, theguy on Hughley was spouting a lot of propaganda. Wonder who is paying him to say such ridiculous , absurd things? Who has a vested interest against health, not prosecuting victemless crimes, stopping the violent cartels, and aiding our economy?


Linda   March 30th, 2009 12:33 am ET

Helene, this website belongs to CNN and they can establish whatever policy they want about it.

That said, they are in violation of their own policy. They allowed the abusive posts to continue for almost 24 hours. They are deleting posts which in no way violated the CNN posting policy. There was no problem with comments not being posted due to the volume, either, these were already posted.

I wholeheartedly agree that a press release should be written. Larry King presented this as an honest blog which was only limited by the CNN posting policy.


jack   March 30th, 2009 12:39 am ET

It is telling how a number of people snickered when the question of legalizing was raised at the news conference. Like Jack Cafferty and many others have pointed out, it would save a huge amount of tax payer money to legalize, both in terms of saving on wasted enforcement efforts and the violence that reults from prohibition, and also the huge wasted taxation opportunity . The snickering was telling because the real fried egg represents the brains that have been wasted by misinformation , rather than the use of a proven harmless herb.


Linda   March 30th, 2009 12:39 am ET

Yes, press releases and posts to blogs of politicians and other news networks, and all types of publicity are surely in order here.

What is happening on this blog is an outrage!! I have kept copies and may file a lawsuit.


Helene   March 30th, 2009 12:40 am ET

Freedom of Speech....

Freedom of the Press....

Our American Rights are being violated. We can bring CNN's censorship to Court.


Linda   March 30th, 2009 12:41 am ET

Thank you for sharing that Jack, I was not aware of the comments by Jack Cafferty.


Linda   March 30th, 2009 12:45 am ET

Don, glad you're back. Are you aware that CNN has deleted all the posts which had links, as well as many of our posts which did not have links.

Someone is also going back and changing the posts by "James" to take out his nasty name calling and most of his typos, and changing his posts to make him sound like he was a coherent, credible person in favor of prohibition.

We are all shocked and appalled.


Linda   March 30th, 2009 12:48 am ET

Yes, apparently they haven't figured out that people are continually printing, and that prints of the actual blog exist.


Linda   March 30th, 2009 12:50 am ET

Don thanks for the information about the Obama $77 billion a year YOUTUBE video, you'll notice that your post about it is already gone.


Linda   March 30th, 2009 12:52 am ET

Yes, a press release and lot of publicity are in order here. This person is a horrible representation of CNN and should not be employed there.


don   March 30th, 2009 12:54 am ET

nnnnnoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

and for the record here is that really great interview that was put on youtube. just type in Obama: $77 billion a year from Marijuana Won't Help Economy!


tim   March 30th, 2009 12:54 am ET

I do want to say that the research I have done thanks to this discussion has helped me decide that we should legalize marijuana. I have examined both sides to the best of my ability with the information provided and discussed right here on this blog. Although, the information I refer to has been deleted. Thanks to everyone for all your efforts.


jack   March 30th, 2009 12:57 am ET

Yes, Cafferty,(and Larry of course) seem to be two of the brightest and honest thinkers at CNN. I hope such a ground swell of reason as has been presented here and on many other sites, as well as some news programs will result in freedom as guaranteed by our Constitution.
There are many law abiding citizens that simply want their right to use a harmless herb to better their health, without breaking any unreasonable law. It is a much better alternative than most medicines. It can be sold over the counter to adults like it was before 1936, when the misinformation and false scare stories were presented , which resulted in the mild medicine suddenly becoming illegal.


tim   March 30th, 2009 12:58 am ET

If marijuana was legal people would grow their own or buy from others, not junk mexican marijuana.


Helene   March 30th, 2009 1:00 am ET

CNN has suppressed our rights and freedoms:
"The First Amendment"... and it goes like this:

AMENDMENT I.

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peacefully to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

Proposed September 25, 1789; ratified December 15, 1791.


tim   March 30th, 2009 1:01 am ET

For the 3rd time, I post a comment to defend myself and it is deleted.


tim   March 30th, 2009 1:02 am ET

Atleast James' was also deleted... this is sad...


Helene   March 30th, 2009 1:04 am ET

CNN: For years I have kept my television tuned into your station.... DAY AND NIGHT. I've been a dedicated viewer. I am shocked at your censorship of ideas in this blog.


Linda   March 30th, 2009 1:05 am ET

Jack, yes, there have been a lot of good posts here, too bad most of them have been deleted tonight by the moderator.

We had an abusive troll nastily responding to every post for almost 24 hours. It took repeated emails to CNN to finally stop his posts.

Now the moderator is going back and deleting our posts, and editing the posts of the abusive troller, in an effort to make him appear to be a coherent person in favor of prohibition.

Larry King will probably be shocked when he finds out what has been done to damage the reputation of his blog.


tim   March 30th, 2009 1:07 am ET

I expect my comments to be manipulated somehow. Seems pointless to continue this discussion any further for me.


Helene   March 30th, 2009 1:07 am ET

I think Bill Maher... not sure how to spell his name.... would be a good person to contact about what has been happening here.


don   March 30th, 2009 1:08 am ET

yeah this blog has been massacred....it was a great blog for the past few days other than the fact that james from idaho was causing everybody problems. i mean this is some weak moderation


jack   March 30th, 2009 1:12 am ET

Wonder what the troll has against personal freedom that does no harm? Does the troll think by stopping one chain of comments on the subject, that will suddenly make millions of reasonable people suddenly quit thinking?


Helene   March 30th, 2009 1:12 am ET

Perhaps if we made smoking herb a part of a new religion, our rights would be violated if we were not allowed to smoke it. Freedom of Religion. Rastaman! Native Americans.... these folks have used mj as a part of their spiritual/religious culture.


Linda   March 30th, 2009 1:19 am ET

Don, someone has posted that Bill OReilly is IN FAVOR of legalization in some form!!

We all need to stick together about this!! When we are talking about this issue, let's just forget whether someone is a Democrat or a Republican, or if they like Clinton or Bush.

When it comes to this issue, the important thing is whether they favor legalization. We must separate this from all the other topics of debate.

There are many Democrats and also many Republicans who favor legalization, let's not lost this because we got sidetracked about what political party a person is in.

Everyone (politicians and news people) who favor legalization need our support, we must give it to them if we want to see the victory. We can't leave them out there alone on this just because they are a different political party from us. 🙂


don   March 30th, 2009 1:20 am ET

It really is lame having to resort to fox news to help our argument


Linda   March 30th, 2009 1:22 am ET

Helene, I will definitely join you in contacting Glenn Beck, as well as anyone of any political party who favors legalization, in an effort to support them in their efforts to promote legalization!!


don   March 30th, 2009 1:24 am ET

Linda I saw a bunch of youtube videos to where Bill says he is against any legalization


Linda   March 30th, 2009 1:25 am ET

Don, this country is split almost 50/50 Democrats and Republicans. One party cannot win this alone. Do you really want to let the fact that you don't like Bill OReilly stand in the way of us winning legalization?????


Helene   March 30th, 2009 1:29 am ET

I think CNN does not want FOX to do a report on their censorship.... they just plucked my opinion right off the blogg... again.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 1:31 am ET

You claim to want to legalize marijuana, so far, for these reasons...

1. Medicinal purposes
2. Hemp cultivation and use
3. recreational use

You say taht these are the reasons you want it legalized

1. Medical benefits
2. Textile and other similar benefits
3. Because it makes you feel good
4. To help aliviate the violence from the cartels that traffic in the illegal drug
5. To help our recessive economy recover
6. It helps you have a closer relationship to nature/god

Here's what you'll get...

1. Medical Marijuana will be researched and what can be takebn from it will
2. Hemp cultivation and use will one day be accepted as a legitimate commodaty, in the cases that it already hasn't
These two ideas have merit...

Here's why the rest will fail
1. Drinking makes you feel good, walking makes you feel good, skiing, jumping playing, reading, etc. all make you feel good. That you want one more thing to make you feel good is something the federal and state governments have no interest in. The detriments of the drug also outweigh the benefits.

2. The cartels are interested in money and power and even if marijuana were to be legalized they would simply put all their money into the crop, and legally charge you for it, only it will be taxed, and still kill others when those people get bigger than them. IF oyu were really interested in stopping that, you would stop buying the product, at least long enough for their power to dwindle and for the cops to do the job that is already hard for them to begin with without your help.

3. Medical marijuana is still in it's infant stages and the tax revenue from it would be negligable, and the same goes for hemp... the only thing left would be the recreational use. We already know that the consequences of marijuana use for recreational purposes far exceeds the benefits; so, that won't happen, and therefor no tax revenue exists. Your only real claim in that regards that might help the economy recover would be in the situation that the money over the war on drugs would stop being used on marijuana, however, it would then be used to clean up the cartels, be moved to the war on heroine, cocaine and opiates and methamphetamines, as well as the rising insurance costs to pot smokers and the certainly inevitable growing number of Marijuana related DUI cases, your unfounded paranoia's over the cops just talkin smack to keep their jobs aside.

4. There is no indication in the bible or Quran or torah that indicates that your imaginary friend, akagod wants you high, requires you to be high or indicates that you need to be high in order to worship him. the only exception [debatable] being a rastafari.


Linda   March 30th, 2009 1:33 am ET

Don, you are right that I do not know this first hand, I heard that Bill OReilly favored legalization in some form from another poster here on this blog.

Thanks for the heads up that he may not be, and that the information in the post needs to be verified.

My point still stands, though, whether it's about Bill OReilly, or Glenn Beck over at Fox News, or Keith Olberman or Rachel Maddow over at MSNBC.

These people disagree all day long about almost everything. But if ANY of them show even the slightest sign of even thinking about supporting legalization, I think we should encourage that as much as possible.

We CAN all agree on this, and we MUST, if we want to win this. This issue is controversial enough that there must be a huge demand for legalization in order to see the victory.

Both Democrats and Republicans are showing signs of wanting this to be legalized, and there are also people from both parties which are fighting to retain prohibition.

We would be foolish to not band together about this subject, just because there are other areas of strong disagreement.


don   March 30th, 2009 1:33 am ET

Linda i know it is a bipartisan issue and we do need both sides


Helene   March 30th, 2009 1:35 am ET

Don – it is really lame of CNN to censor our ideas pertaining to the legalization of pot, when that is what this blog is supposed to be about.


Linda   March 30th, 2009 1:39 am ET

Helene, at this point, who cares what CNN wants. Unless this blog is immediately restored to its former and accurate condition, we spread the information about what CNN has done.

Thank you Don! Go Bipartisanism!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 1:39 am ET

It's not a blog about how oyu can get pot legalized but what your thoughts are on why it should be legalized, but more to the point it is a blog about your thoughts on the presidents reaction to the question. It is also not a blog where potheads exchange clever ways to alter data to suit their propot agenda, or to attempt to circumvent standing law.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 1:42 am ET

And now Linda oyu are making a call to arms even though you have sworn you don't smoek it. Why so passionate about a drug you don't partake in?


don   March 30th, 2009 1:49 am ET

james do you think the 15 million people in the united states will quit smoking marijuana?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 1:51 am ET

Incidentally, I once mentioned that my friends daughter started reaching for his pipe when he sparked up a bowl, and when I offered for him to come into my appartment and away from his daughter his only response was that he wasn't going to hide who he was from her...

Ya, did I neglect to mention that she was 3 [three] years old at the time?

Pot does crazy things to you... like affect your judgement in a negative way.


Linda   March 30th, 2009 1:51 am ET

Ok, I'm opening more windows and starting to post at other networks about what is going on here at the Larry King blog.

Does anyone see any point in remaining here any longer? I feel that we have given CNN ample time to respond and resolve the dishonesty going on at this blog.

I have already responded about why I am so passionate about this, and have no intentions of spending any more time dealing with this person pretending to be "James".

So, are we done here, and off to do our press releases?


don   March 30th, 2009 1:52 am ET

Glenn Beck has email addreses on his web page. under contacts, you can contact him and his writers


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 1:54 am ET

I am certainly not pretending and you have certainly not expressed why you are here other than to legalize the recreational use of marijuana.

Once again, for someone who swears she doesn't smoke the stuff you sure are passionate about defending smoking the stuff. I think you're just upset about being called on it.


don   March 30th, 2009 1:54 am ET

yeah fill me in when you find a place to share our ideas..


don   March 30th, 2009 1:55 am ET

and linda if you need sum of the uncut files from last night on this blog i think i have them


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 1:56 am ET

don March 30th, 2009 1:49 am ET

james do you think the 15 million people in the united states will quit smoking marijuana?

Don, up and all in one night? Of course not and that would be ludicrous for me to think or pretend that that's a resonable expectation, but that, nevertheless, is the only viable solution for tamping down the drug trade.

My point was, that for so many pot promoters who swear they are concerned abotu the violent conditions from the cartels, there are so few of you willing to do the thing most beneficial to stop it.


don   March 30th, 2009 1:56 am ET

thanks james you ruined this whole blog.... =(


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 1:59 am ET

You guys could always right your ideas and send them in to high times. You are also welcome to send my dissenting views, as they represent a large part of what the broader public knows, adn then oyu could discuss your ideas through them, and through them get the word out.

Not sure if you want to go to FOX News or Glenn Beck though... Glenn Beck was beign ovrdramatic and crying the other night, as lampooned by the daily show, and Faux News has lost nearly all its credibility since backing Bush all these years.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 2:00 am ET

Oh, right... like it's all my fault 🙄

What with all my valid arguements and stuff it was cutting into your gossip time 😉


don   March 30th, 2009 2:01 am ET

Larry this one goes out to u.... this suxs


don   March 30th, 2009 2:04 am ET

i gues we know what happens when the only person anti_marijuana in this blog was deemed not credible within his first outlandish comments


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 2:04 am ET

Why does it suck don? You could always attempt to disprove or invalidate my arguements... in a rational way.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 2:06 am ET

Not crdible by whom exactly? And with what proof?


don   March 30th, 2009 2:07 am ET

it is not worth it...nobody is on your side, plus the fact is that it is far cleaner than alcohol and cigarettes so obviously it should be legal if the previous two items remain legal and remain as popular as they are.


Linda   March 30th, 2009 2:08 am ET

Just because James and his friend have been foolish in the area of marijuana and children and have gone out getting themselves addicted to things doesn't mean everyone else does.

This conversation is a waste of time. It's the same thing over and over, James hasn't figured out that everyone isn't like him, he just want to keep telling us that because this is how he and his friend are, that must be how we are.

James thinks that anyone who is passionate about getting this stopped must be doing it themselves because if HE was trying to get it stopped that would be HIS motive. I think CNN may have brought this guy back just to get us to stop posting here, if it is him, it could just be the moderator pretending to be him.

Well, it's working, we will be glad to go somewhere else and post about this blog.

Don, I will be in touch with Helene, she volunteered to be the one who coordinated the sharing of information. I think it would be great if we had all of our emails so we could stay in touch about this.

Yes, Don, I am very interested in having a copy of what you have saved, as it will substantiate what I have, and it may have been saved sooner. Will you be in touch with Helene, or do we need to figure something else out?


don   March 30th, 2009 2:11 am ET

yeah i have helene's email... i will be glad to stay in touch this cause can not fade away once again....thank god for that online townhall meeting.


Helene   March 30th, 2009 2:11 am ET

Linda.... yup. I just posted on Glenn Beck's YouTube.com clip - and I let them know what happened here. Sorry CNN, but you can't delete comments posted on YOUTUBE by me... or anyone else.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 2:12 am ET

Don, if that is what you truly believe then you might want to consider talking to the smoking companies to get them to lobby for you and bankrupt the alcohol companies. Otherwise, you're welcome to your opinion. Just be prepared to face the officers and doctors that contradict your assumptions that marijuana is less harmless.


don   March 30th, 2009 2:14 am ET

you're hardcore ladies....im glad we have a non smoker on our side as well


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 2:15 am ET

No Linda, I keep telling you that that is how marijuana affects everyone. Those similarities are across the board and the statistics of what has already happened support that. I am not saying you are exactly like me, I am saying you are exactly like everyone else, no matter how superunaddicted you pretend you can be. You're still human.


Helene   March 30th, 2009 2:15 am ET

helene@healthypeople.com


don   March 30th, 2009 2:16 am ET

james keep talking as we go about a real cause as u sit there and complain like every other anti_marijuana person who cannot back themselves up with facts...lol


Helene   March 30th, 2009 2:18 am ET

...and for the record, my name is Helene Berk. You can google me...


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 2:22 am ET

Linda, pretending I don't exist and completely taking what I've said out of context once again gets up on her indignant soap box again and states.. "James thinks that anyone who is passionate about getting this stopped must be doing it themselves because if HE was trying to get it stopped that would be HIS motive. I think CNN may have brought this guy back just to get us to stop posting here, if it is him, it could just be the moderator pretending to be him."

No Linda, your passions are suspect directly because you have stated you are a non smoker and yet have not addressed my arguements about the various flaws in all of oyur opinions and so called data. As I've stated before and will state again, Medical uses for marijuana are valid, Hemp cultivation is also valid... marijuana for recreational use is NOT valid.

Why are you here Linda? What purpose do you have in wanting it legalized for recreational use that my arguements have not already defeated?

You pretend to think that CNN has this direct line to me and would call a motel manager up from kamiah Idaho population 1100 and shrinking just to get me to interupt you is just silly. You elevate me above you of your own free will. But to actually think that I am a moderator here is just obnoxious and transparent of your flacid arguement.


don   March 30th, 2009 2:23 am ET

Myth: Marijuana Can Cause Permanent Mental Illness. Among adolescents, even occasional marijuana use may cause psychological damage. During intoxication, marijuana users become irrational and often behave erratically.

Fact: There is no convincing scientific evidence that marijuana causes psychological damage or mental illness in either teenagers or adults. Some marijuana users experience psychological distress following marijuana ingestion, which may include feelings of panic, anxiety, and paranoia. Such experiences can be frightening, but the effects are temporary. With very large doses, marijuana can cause temporary toxic psychosis. This occurs rarely, and almost always when marijuana is eaten rather than smoked. Marijuana does not cause profound changes in people's behavior.

Iverson, Leslie. “Long-term effects of exposure to cannabis.” Current Opinion in Pharmacology 5(2005): 69-72.
Weiser and Noy. “Interpreting the association between cannabis use and increased risk of schizophrenia.” Dialogues in Clincal Neuroscience 1(2005): 81-85.

"Cannabis use will impair but not damage mental health." London Telegraph. 23 January 2006.
Andreasson, S. et al. “Cannabis and Schizophrenia: A Longitudinal study of Swedish Conscripts,” The Lancet 2 (1987): 1483-86.
Degenhardt, Louisa, Wayne Hall and Michael Lynskey. “Testing hypotheses about the relationship between cannabis use and psychosis,” Drug and Alcohol Dependence 71 (2003): 42-4.
Weil, A. “Adverse Reactions to Marijuana: Classification and Suggested Treatment.” New England Journal of Medicine 282 (1970): 997-1000.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 2:24 am ET

Yes don... your cause is real to you and those who think like you... that does not make my cause any less real.

Nice way to avoid the actual arguement though.

And Helene... noone cares who you are


Linda   March 30th, 2009 2:25 am ET

Don, I will send my email to Helene and ask her to give it to you!! Yes, I agree about that online town hall meeting, President Obama seemed to be laughing, but I suspect that he realizes how much he is helping!!

I am so glad to have met you all, Helene, Don, and other posters who have already left, and look forward to our next communication!!

I am done wasting time having the same useless conversation with "James", no facts, just the same old "you are the same as me nonsense".

Let's all meet later (or tomorrow) at Helene's email(we can make plans to start our own blog), and just say good night here.


don   March 30th, 2009 2:26 am ET

Myth: Marijuana is Highly Addictive. Long term marijuana users experience physical dependence and withdrawal, and often need professional drug treatment to break their marijuana habits.

Fact: Most people who smoke marijuana smoke it only occasionally. A small minority of Americans – less than 1 percent – smoke marijuana on a daily basis. An even smaller minority develop a dependence on marijuana. Some people who smoke marijuana heavily and frequently stop without difficulty. Others seek help from drug treatment professionals. Marijuana does not cause physical dependence. If people experience withdrawal symptoms at all, they are remarkably mild.

United States. Dept. of Health and Human Services. DASIS Report Series, Differences in Marijuana Admissions Based on Source of Referral. 2002. June 24 2005.
Johnson, L.D., et al. “National Survey Results on Drug Use from the Monitoring the Future Study, 1975-1994, Volume II: College Students and Young Adults.” Rockville, MD: U.S. Department of Health and Human Services, 1996.
Kandel, D.B., et al. “Prevalence and demographic correlates of symptoms of dependence on cigarettes, alcohol, marijuana and cocaine in the U.S. population.” Drug and Alcohol Dependence 44 (1997):11-29.
Stephens, R.S., et al. “Adult marijuana users seeking treatment.” Journal of Consulting and Clinical Psychology 61 (1993): 1100-1104.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 2:30 am ET

Good night linda have fun in delusional land. Keep pretendign I'm some phantom modertor and that your assessments of my arguements and reasoning are correct. I'm glad it helps oyu sleep at night... It's completely wrong, but whatever sinks your boat.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 2:31 am ET

And just who is feeding you all this information don?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 2:33 am ET

Have you independantly read the research don or are you copying and pasting from what someone else has researched?


don   March 30th, 2009 2:38 am ET

Myth: Marijuana Is More Potent Today Than In The Past. Adults who used marijuana in the 1960s and 1970s fail to realize that when today's youth use marijuana they are using a much more dangerous drug.

Fact: When today's youth use marijuana, they are using the same drug used by youth in the 1960s and 1970s. A small number of low-THC samples seized by the Drug Enforcement Administration are used to calculate a dramatic increase in potency. However, these samples were not representative of the marijuana generally available to users during this era. Potency data from the early 1980s to the present are more reliable, and they show no increase in the average THC content of marijuana. Even if marijuana potency were to increase, it would not necessarily make the drug more dangerous. Marijuana that varies quite substantially in potency produces similar psychoactive effects.

King LA, Carpentier C, Griffiths P. “Cannabis potency in Europe.” Addiction. 2005 Jul; 100(7):884-6

Henneberger, Melinda. "Pot Surges Back, But It’s, Like, a Whole New World." New York Times 6 February 1994: E18.
Brown, Lee. “Interview with Lee Brown,” Dallas Morning News 21 May 1995.
Drug Enforcement Administration. U.S. Drug Threat Assessment, 1993. Washington, DC: U.S. Department of Justice, 1993.
Kleiman, Mark A.R. Marijuana: Costs of Abuse, Costs of Control. Westport: Greenwood Press, 1989. 29.
Bennett, William. Director of National Drug Control Policy, remarks at Conference of Mayors. 23 April 1990.


don   March 30th, 2009 2:40 am ET

all of these facts are cited as you can see cited by 4 or 5 different sources on each one...are you blind?


don   March 30th, 2009 2:42 am ET

Myth: Marijuana is More Damaging to the Lungs Than Tobacco. Marijuana smokers are at a high risk of developing lung cancer, bronchitis, and emphysema.

Fact: Moderate smoking of marijuana appears to pose minimal danger to the lungs. Like tobacco smoke, marijuana smoke contains a number of irritants and carcinogens. But marijuana users typically smoke much less often than tobacco smokers, and over time, inhale much less smoke. As a result, the risk of serious lung damage should be lower in marijuana smokers. There have been no reports of lung cancer related solely to marijuana, and in a large study presented to the American Thoracic Society in 2006, even heavy users of smoked marijuana were found not to have any increased risk of lung cancer. Unlike heavy tobacco smokers, heavy marijuana smokers exhibit no obstruction of the lung's small airway. That indicates that people will not develop emphysema from smoking marijuana.

Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse. “Legalization: Panacea or Pandora’s Box.” New York. (1995): 36.
Turner, Carlton E. The Marijuana Controversy. Rockville: American Council for Drug Education, 1981.
Nahas, Gabriel G. and Nicholas A. Pace. Letter. “Marijuana as Chemotherapy Aid Poses Hazards.” New York Times 4 December 1993: A20.
Inaba, Darryl S. and William E. Cohen. Uppers, Downers, All-Arounders: Physical and Mental Effects of Psychoactive Drugs. 2nd ed. Ashland: CNS Productions, 1995. 174.


don   March 30th, 2009 2:44 am ET

Myth: Marijuana Causes an Amotivational Syndrome. Marijuana makes users passive, apathetic, and uninterested in the future. Students who use marijuana become underachievers and workers who use marijuana become unproductive.

Fact: For twenty-five years, researchers have searched for a marijuana-induced amotivational syndrome and have failed to find it. People who are intoxicated constantly, regardless of the drug, are unlikely to be productive members of society. There is nothing about marijuana specifically that causes people to lose their drive and ambition. In laboratory studies, subjects given high doses of marijuana for several days or even several weeks exhibit no decrease in work motivation or productivity. Among working adults, marijuana users tend to earn higher wages than non-users. College students who use marijuana have the same grades as nonusers. Among high school students, heavy use is associated with school failure, but school failure usually comes first.

Himmelstein, J.L. The Strange Career of Marihuana: Politics and Ideology of Drug Control in America. Westport, CT: Greenwood Press, 1983.
Mellinger, G.D. et al. “Drug Use, Academic Performance, and Career Indecision: Longitudinal Data in Search of a Model.” Longitudinal Research on Drug Use: Empirical Findings and Methodological Issues. Ed. D.B. Kandel. Washington, DC: American Psychological Association, 1978. 157-177.
Pope, H.G. et al., “Drug Use and Life Style Among College Undergraduates in 1989: A Comparison With 1969 and 1978,” American Journal of Psychiatry 147 (1990): 998-1001.


Helene   March 30th, 2009 2:45 am ET

I have an idea.... we can start a google blog: Stop the Prohibition of Pot

And, we can post our ideas there without fear of being censored!

I'll get started on that.


Illegalsmile   March 30th, 2009 2:46 am ET

2. The cartels are interested in money and power and even if marijuana were to be legalized they would simply put all their money into the crop, and legally charge you for it, only it will be taxed, and still kill others when those people get bigger than them.

This is a flawed argument because what makes marijauna expensive is the risk cartels take smuggling it into the US. It is very cheap to grow and grows very fast. If it were legal, it would be worth very little. There would be no money in growing it at all. Mass discontinued use is unrealistic and therefore not a valid solution.


don   March 30th, 2009 2:46 am ET

Myth: Marijuana Kills Brain Cells. Used over time, marijuana permanently alters brain structure and function, causing memory loss, cognitive impairment, personality deterioration, and reduced productivity.

Fact: None of the medical tests currently used to detect brain damage in humans have found harm from marijuana, even from long term high-dose use. An early study reported brain damage in rhesus monkeys after six months exposure to high concentrations of marijuana smoke. In a recent, more carefully conducted study, researchers found no evidence of brain abnormality in monkeys that were forced to inhale the equivalent of four to five marijuana cigarettes every day for a year. The claim that marijuana kills brain cells is based on a speculative report dating back a quarter of a century that has never been supported by any scientific study.

Heath, R.G., et al. “Cannabis Sativa: Effects on Brain Function and Ultrastructure in Rhesus Monkeys.” Biological Psychiatry 15 (1980): 657-690.
Ali, S.F., et al. “Chronic Marijuana Smoke Exposure in the Rhesus Monkey IV: Neurochemical Effects and Comparison to Acute and Chronic Exposure to Delta-9-Tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) in Rats.” Pharmacology Biochemistry and Behavior 40 (1991): 677-82.


don   March 30th, 2009 2:48 am ET

Um why would we buy it from mexican people if we can grow our own?...lol


don   March 30th, 2009 2:50 am ET

Myth: Marijuana Causes Crime. Marijuana users commit more property offenses than nonusers. Under the influence of marijuana, people become irrational, aggressive, and violent.

Fact: Every serious scholar and government commission examining the relationship between marijuana use and crime has reached the same conclusion: marijuana does not cause crime. The vast majority of marijuana users do not commit crimes other than the crime of possessing marijuana. Among marijuana users who do commit crimes, marijuana plays no causal role. Almost all human and animal studies show that marijuana decreases rather than increases aggression.

Fagan, J., et al. “Delinquency and Substance Use Among Inner-City Students.” Journal of Drug Issues 20 (1990): 351-402.
Johnson, L.D., et al. “Drugs and Delinquency: A Search for Causal Connections.” Ed. D.B. Kandel. Longitudinal Research on Drug Use: Empirical Findings and Methodological Issues. New York: John Wiley & Sons, 1978. 137-156.
Goode, E. “Marijuana and Crime.” Marihuana: A Signal of Misunderstanding, Appendix I. National Commission on Marihuana and Drug Abuse Washington, DC: U.S. Government Printing Office, 1972. 447-453.
Abram, K.M. and L.A. Teplin. “Drug Disorder, Mental Illness, and Violence.” Drugs and Violence: Causes, Correlates, and Consequences. Rockville: National Institute on Drug Abuse, 1990. 222-238.
Cherek, D.R., et al. “Acute Effects of Marijuana Smoking on Aggressive, Escape and Point-Maintained Responding of Male Drug Users.” Psychopharmacology 111 (1993): 163-168.
Tinklenberg, J.R., et al. “Drugs and criminal assaults by adolescents: A Replication Study.” Journal of Psychoactive Drugs 13 (1981): 277-287.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 2:52 am ET

don March 30th, 2009 2:40 am ET

all of these facts are cited as you can see cited by 4 or 5 different sources on each one…are you blind?

That still doesn't answer the question where are YOU getting these citations from. Are you saying that you read all this research independantly and then decided to post them here? I highly doubt that. Especially with as fast as you are regurgitating it.


don   March 30th, 2009 2:54 am ET

A government webpage


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:01 am ET

Illegalsmile March 30th, 2009 2:46 am ET

2. The cartels are interested in money and power and even if marijuana were to be legalized they would simply put all their money into the crop, and legally charge you for it, only it will be taxed, and still kill others when those people get bigger than them.

This is a flawed argument because what makes marijauna expensive is the risk cartels take smuggling it into the US.

You're only half right. True, it is expensive to smuggle it, but then whether legal or illegal it is still a money maker in small or large amounts and is still distributed widely. As well, the smugglers don't charge a fee, they actually see it as a privilege or a condition. A privilege to be paid at all, since the carttels can still take your family and tell you to do whatever the hell they want you to or your family is returned to you part by part. Once again, begging the question, you don't really think the bootleggers stopped having turf wars and killing people after prohibition was stopped do you?or a condition for being coyoted across the border.

It is very cheap to grow and grows very fast. If it were legal, it would be worth very little.

But sold en masse worth quite a lot, and the title farmer is exactly the title the cartels give themselves now... just harmless farmers being oppressed by corrupt governments 😉

There would be no money in growing it at all.

Uh, ya... like corn, and broccoli... no money in it at all... Riiiiight.

Mass discontinued use is unrealistic and therefore not a valid solution.

And here we have the crux of your counterarguement... impossible rather than unlikely. Difficult, therefor not worth the effort. Mass discontinued use is a decision away, and according to don's excellent investigative journalism, something relatively easy since it's so unaddictive.

Would you give it up for a year if it meant the war on drugs ends in that year? CAN you give it up for a year if it means the war on drugsends in that year? 😉


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:05 am ET

Hey... maybe Helene can google blog that all over the interwebs :D..

We'll call it... the day taht the movement finally made headway... the first aniversary of legalize pot day... the day that everyone gave up pot for a year so that law enforcement could spend their time catching smugglers and cartel leaders adn the legislature rewrote the laws according to the wishes of non addicted pot heads...

all you would have to do for oyur part is just not buy or smoke the stuff for one year... just one

that's all it would take and your wildest wettest dream would come true...

Kind of an interesting conundrum isn't it?

All you have to do to get it legalized is... give it up.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:06 am ET

A government webpage huh? Which one would taht be?


don   March 30th, 2009 3:07 am ET

no money ...yeah in a backwards world...your comparing it to tomatoes

California alone (on cnn a week ago) makes 140 billion dollars tax revenue from medicinal marijuana.....

They are trying to get full legalization because they already make so much. im am not lying to you as much as you think i am

the government made 150 billion tax dollars from medicinal marijuana alone last year.

an that is only medicinal marijuana...what is your case that it will not create money if california made that much from medicinal....i could post you a link to thevideo if you dont beleive me....im not lying


Illegalsmile   March 30th, 2009 3:08 am ET

The enforcement of state and local marijuana laws annually costs US taxpayers an estimated $7.6 billion, approximately $10,400 per arrest. Of this total, annual police costs are $3.7 billion, judicial/legal costs are $853 million, and correctional costs are $3.1 billion. In both California and New York, state fiscal costs dedicated to marijuana law enforcement annually total over $1 billion.


don   March 30th, 2009 3:09 am ET

drugpolicy.org was the site


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:09 am ET

Pass it on Helene... no joke... create a day and make it widely known that that is the day that everyone just drops their highly UNaddictive drug and doesnt;' smoek or buy it for one year... just one, not here, there, not anywhere....

Oh, wait, that's right... another side affect of continued potsmoking is perpetual procrastination... why do today what oyu can put off til tomorrow 😉

I tease of course, but you get my point right?

Oh, wait... ssshhh yer not talkin to me... hey don and illegalsmile... I grant all copyright and patents on that idea to your two... network with Linda and Helene and make pot smoking history 😉 😛


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:11 am ET

don, no money was illegalsmiles arguement, not mine... trouble in paradise?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:13 am ET

I don't believe your lying actually. I beleive i remember that, i had thought it was millions, and not billions, but I give you the benefit of the doubt.

Now... can you tell me just how many of those supposedly medical users arent' pulling a fraud? 😉


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:14 am ET

That's alright Helene... I'm sure you'll get back with us later... you know... like after your'e done procrastinating 😉


don   March 30th, 2009 3:14 am ET

that is like asking america to quit drinking for a year... do you think

i mean some people drink... the ones who actual wanna funtion in the morning smoke marijuana....ive never heard of a marijuana hang over

our president right now has used marijuana, and so have the previous ones

so i guess it is a gateway drug to becoming president of the united states


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:16 am ET

Hey don... you know... like the lady on DL Hughley the other night with carpell tunnel right? She could certainly take another pain reliever, but she'd prefer to take advantage of the medical marijuana loophole while she can :D...

and remember... California also voted to ban gay marriage... you know... in a legitimately phrased voting section 🙂


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:18 am ET

But don... drinking is highly addictive and pot is highly UNaddictive... remember?

It shouldnt' be any problem right?


don   March 30th, 2009 3:18 am ET

no james we all have eachothers email we arent just using one new blog that would not be smart.....

FYE 15million people use marijuana in the united states

that is more than the amount of people who had purchased last year or the year b4

oh yeah james says that no money is made of it and there arent any innocent people in jail


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:23 am ET

Dude!!! that's it!!! That's your loophole, your way around. All you have to do is quit for a year and a vast majority of oyur problems, and our arguements will fall away... You'll show everyone you're capable of responsible moderation, you'll have time to lbby the tobacco companies to switch to marijuana, a highly UNaddictive whatever you're calling it, which will cripple the alcohol industry, AND have the added bonus of taking pressure off the cops from poor widdow mawee wowwe awwests, and concentrate on teh big bad guys like jay walkers and cocaine trafficers and cartels, it can be taxed fixing our economy..

I feel like gene Wilder in Young Frankenstein right now..

😉 😛 IT

COULD

WORK!!!!

Give my creation LIIIIIFE!!!

😆 😆 😆 😆 😆


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:27 am ET

DUDE! I dont' care that you're blogging by one or a thousand emails you're wasting precious time babling to me... I'm a nobody loser child molested victim right... that's not the important thing though don... the important thing is the pot... like steven wright said in Half baked

get on the horm man I've cracked this case wide open! And the irony is I want you to fail like Limbaugh wants Obama to fail... You can tell everyoen it was an atheist anti marijuana molestation victim that gave you the key to the city...

Don't spare the horses man!


Illegalsmile   March 30th, 2009 3:27 am ET

It is only a money maker because of the risk. It is a cheap and worthless plant until there's a threat to your freedom to grow it. Then and only then does it increase in value. Nothing that hardy which can be grown in one season has that kind of value until you ad risk. If it were legal, it would have much the same value as tobacco and there would be no money in it for the drug cartels. They would be forced to find another trade.

Humans will always want to experiment with intoxicants. Some will stop, others will start. Some will smoke, some will drink. Some will do it for a lifetime, others will not. It is impossible to get the entire planet on board to stop using intoxicants. We can only hope to reduce the harm of them and one of the biggest is caused by the prohibition of them.


don   March 30th, 2009 3:29 am ET

there are too many people like you...i guess that is what generations of drinking does to some generations.....im glad people with common sence are finnaly put on TV

alcohol and cigarette companies would lose alot of business.ethanol can be made from it which scares oil companies, and everybody know the goverments highest republican love that oil ...george washington smoked hemp.... i mean..it is about time we grow our own marijuana again.

and yes george washington was a hemp farmer.

and yes half of the drugs comming from mexico is marijuana, that we could indeed be growing ourself


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:30 am ET

but nah... you'll do it... later... tomorrow maybe... ya that's it... tomorrow 😉

Well, nighty night all.

Sllep tight, dont' let the bed bugs bite... but if they do... there's always mr buddah at your bedside, in the nightstand, away from prying eyes that might disaprove, underneath your DnD character sheets, boob mags and retainers... 😀


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:32 am ET

Holy Cow man... and there's another motivation... why you could cure lung cancer [sicne there are no more cigarettes beign sold to create it] and liver cancer [since people liek McCains wife have all gone bankrupt] 😉

See... that high IQ DOES come in handy from time to time *pats self on shoulder liek everyone pretends he does anyways* 😉


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:35 am ET

Illegalsmile , don, ... DETAILS PEOPLE! You're wating valuabel time... I'm never goign to agree with you and all I'm doing is asking you to prove me wrong....

you said so yourself... thsi whole larry king blog thing is a complete waste... come on dudes.....

get the message out..

or wait... oh you clever guys, your'e already doign it.. this whole larry king blog thing is your anti drug for the next year right?!

Oh I'm so excited I could piss meself 😉 😛


don   March 30th, 2009 3:35 am ET

lol your nuts 😛

but id rather see people using marijuana rather that cigarettes and alcohol im shure we can agree on that one thing lol 😉


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:36 am ET

Hell you're all organized right?! 🙂 😛


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:39 am ET

Then you're all in agreement then? No pot for one yer so you can smoke it legally for the rest of oyur life?

"If your blue and
you don't know
where to go to
why dont' you go where fashion sits?"

"purdninging onnna riiiieeezzzz!" 🙂 :lol 😛 😉 😆


don   March 30th, 2009 3:40 am ET

the lazy kids who sell pot to their friend will all have to get jobs because it will be cheaper...they will lose business i think thats funny

i mean if the government sells it ...every single person in the entire u.s. that sells weed would be soo mad because its worth would go down alot lol....


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:40 am ET

Actually that was kind of mean, I'm sorry cause if I'm Frederic von frankenstein ten that would make you all.......

>:) 😆 😉 😛


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:41 am ET

Like I know... I've blinded you with science right?


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:44 am ET

Oh good Helene your'e back I've just handed oyu all a sweeping victory... I know you're liek tooootally upset with me right now, but don and the others will fill you in...

nighty night all

and remember...

"Shztay close to ze vall... she schtaris cane be
treacherous."


Helene   March 30th, 2009 3:44 am ET

Illegalsmile, have you noticed that half your posts and all your links are missing?


don   March 30th, 2009 3:48 am ET

cant wait a year sorry...i still smoke everyday i just smoked 5 minutes ago so yeah i mean you cannot prevent it from being smoked..

if there wasnt any weed around...sombody can just grow it, but they dont need to because weed is everywhere at least where i live all my friends smoke it and my family smokes it as well as certain friends families.....

ive already lost 2 good friends because of acohol....and that is why this debate shouldnt even be happening.....ive never lost a friend from him smoking weed. yet 2 have died from alcohol related accidents.. and im only 20.


Illegalsmile   March 30th, 2009 4:01 am ET

Helene, Is that what you guys meant by censoring. What's going on? How did you notice all this? Which types of posts are missing?


don   March 30th, 2009 4:14 am ET

i bunch of stuff got cut out but idk mainly hyperlinks, but for a while our messages were just getting straight deleted.

she set up a blogspot , this issue better be resolved.....i mean we deserve not to have to hide from the law just because we use marijuana....


Helene   March 30th, 2009 4:20 am ET

I was going back to check some of the links you posted... and they were gone. A lot of your comments and ideas have been wiped off this blog. I noticed it around 4-6 pm Pacific Time.... they started censoring us and eliminating many of our pro-pot arguments and ALL OF THE LINKS by you, Everett, Tim, Marcel... I can't even remember everybody's name... but most every link to suggested sites and resources were gone. VANISHED.

Half the stuff you have blogged is gone.

That's why I created a space for us to share these resources, based on the title we talked about "prohibition of pot".


Helene   March 30th, 2009 4:25 am ET

I kept posting ideas and comments today... and then five minutes later, they would be gone. And, nothing offensive... in complete compliance with this site... Half of my entries are gone.


don   March 30th, 2009 4:36 am ET

night everybody, and thanks for all your hard work on the cause =) we can do it!


Grover Dale   March 30th, 2009 10:02 am ET

Legalize, yes...and provide rehab upon demand. Not only for use of pot, but for alcohol and cigarettes, too.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 12:38 pm ET

cant wait a year sorry…i still smoke everyday i just smoked 5 minutes ago so yeah i mean you cannot prevent it from being smoked..

In other words don, you're addicted to this highly UNaddictive drug? and while I may not be able to prevent it from being smoked... you sure can.

My idea is sound...

go for it

and remember... being a pothead isn't a way of life... it's just another stereotype


Illegalsmile   March 30th, 2009 12:53 pm ET

Humans will always want to experiment with intoxicants. Some will stop, others will start. Some will smoke, some will drink. Some will do it for a lifetime, others will not. It is impossible to get the entire planet on board to stop using intoxicants. We can only hope to reduce the harm of them and one of the biggest is caused by the prohibition of them.


Illegalsmile   March 30th, 2009 12:58 pm ET

Google:
Drug Policy Allliance
Drug Sense
Americans for Safe Acess
Harm Reduction Coalition
Marijuana Policy Project
NORMAL

All of these have websites with action alert links for writing to our lawmakers and encourageing change and dialog. Join one today and start making a difference. Be the change that you want to see in the world, just like Ghandi.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 1:46 pm ET

You have to remember as well taht her links had nothing to do with the topic but were google maps to my address, AND links are not allowed and willl ALL be removed in time


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 1:54 pm ET

It is impossible to get the entire planet on board to stop using intoxicants. We can only hope to reduce the harm of them and one of the biggest is caused by the prohibition of them.

Nothing is impossible my friends, and this is just a prefered lie of the pro pot agenda. Making the task seem just too difficult, too out of reach, when really it's a matter of one's own free choice not to continue. There's nothing unrealistic about it, and remarks like these are really just defeatism at it's worst. And the lie on top of a lie is that it is the prohibition of these intoxicants that makes these intoxicants so dangerous when the flat truth it is the intoxicants themselves tht are the danger, hence their prohibition.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 1:55 pm ET

Illegalsmile March 30th, 2009 12:58 pm ET

Google:
Drug Policy Allliance
Drug Sense
Americans for Safe Acess
Harm Reduction Coalition
Marijuana Policy Project
NORMAL

All of these have websites with action alert links for writing to our lawmakers and encourageing change and dialog. Join one today and start making a difference. Be the change that you want to see in the world, just like Ghandi.

Yes, by all means, join these groups and be change in the world; a change for the worse, and this goes without saying really. TO compare these selfish lobbyists to ghandi is an insult to the man's memory.


don   March 30th, 2009 2:38 pm ET

"The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this."
– Albert Einstein quote on Hemp


don   March 30th, 2009 2:40 pm ET

"Hemp is of first necessity to the wealth & protection of the country."
– Thomas Jefferson, U.S. President quote on Hemp


don   March 30th, 2009 2:42 pm ET

"Make the most you can of the Indian Hemp seed and sow it everywhere."
– George Washington, U.S. President quote on Hemp

"We shall, by and by, want a world of hemp more for our own consumption."
– John Adams, U.S. President quote on Hemp

"Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed. Nowhere is this more clear than in the laws against possession of marihuana in private for personal use... Therefore, I support legislation amending Federal law to eliminate all Federal criminal penalties for the possession of up to one ounce of marihuana."
– Jimmy Carter, U.S. President quote on Marijuana


don   March 30th, 2009 2:44 pm ET

"Why use up the forests which were centuries in the making and the mines which required ages to lay down, if we can get the equivalent of forest and mineral products in the annual growth of the hemp fields?"
– Henry Ford quote on Marijuana


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:36 pm ET

And for a thing to be credible, it is not enough that this man or that should say it and we believe it, but the idea must be worthy of credence itself

From The Structure of Arguement by Annette T. Rottenburg 😉


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 3:47 pm ET

From the Structure of Arguement by Annette T. Rottenburg

"To encourage another person to make a decision on the basis of incomplete or dishonestly used data is profoundly unethical. It indicates lack of respect for the rights of others; their right to know at least as much as you do about a subject, to be allowed to judge and compare, to disagree with you if they challenge your own interests. If the moral implications are still not clear, try to imagine yourself not as as the perpetrator of the lie but as the victim.

There is also danger in measuring success wholly by the degree to which audiences accept our arguements. Both as writers and readers, we must be able to respect the claim, or proposition, and what it tries to demonstrate.

'To conclude that a proposition is true, it is not enough to know that this man or that finds it [credible]: the proposition itself must be worthy of credence.' ~ Toulmin"

Albert Einstein once wrote that a proposition is correct if, within a logical system, it is deduced according to the accepted logical rules… A correct proposition borrows its truth, therefor, from the truth-content of the system to which it belongs…"


Helene   March 30th, 2009 4:11 pm ET

Wow, Don.... how 'bout sending these quotes 2 Obama??!!!

Awesome, Don. Simply Awesome.


don   March 30th, 2009 4:23 pm ET

thx, do you think obama would ever even see them...?


don   March 30th, 2009 4:28 pm ET

so all the people much more intelligent than you are, are completly wrong


don   March 30th, 2009 5:08 pm ET

"I, as a responsible adult human being, will never concede the power to anyone to regulate my choice of what I put into my body, or where I go with my mind. From the skin inwards is my jurisdiction, is it not? I choose what may or may not cross that border. ...I am the sole legal and spiritual government of this territory, and only the laws I choose to enact within myself are applicable."
Alexander Shulgin, PhD – Chemist and Author


don   March 30th, 2009 5:17 pm ET

"Mistrust those in whom the urge to punish is strong." Friedrich Nietzsche


don   March 30th, 2009 5:20 pm ET

We believe, further) that current policies directed at controlling the supply of marijuana should be seriously reconsidered. The demonstrated ineffectiveness of control of use through prohibition of supply and the high costs of implementing such a policy make it very unlikely that any kind of partial prohibition policy will be effective in reducing marijuana use significantly below present levels. (...) Hence, a variety of alternative policies should be considered." – National Research Council of the U.S. National Academy of Science


don   March 30th, 2009 5:22 pm ET

"The amount of money and of legal energy being given to prosecute hundreds of thousands of Americans who are caught with a few ounces of marijuana [1 ounce = 28g] in their jeans simply makes no sense – the kindest way to put it. A sterner way to put it is that it is an outrage, an imposition on basic civil liberties and on the reasonable expenditure of social energy." – William F. Buckley


don   March 30th, 2009 5:25 pm ET

"Our emphasis here is based not only on the growing seriousness of drug-related crimes, but also on the belief that relieving our police and our courts from having to fight losing battles against drugs will enable their energies and facilities to be devoted more fully to combatting other forms of crime. We would thus strike a double blow: reduce crime activity directly, and at the same time increase the efficacy of law enforcement and crime prevention." Milton Friedman – Nobel prize winner


don   March 30th, 2009 5:28 pm ET

If you say, "Would there were no wine" because of the drunkards, then you must say, going on by degrees, "Would there were no steel," because of the murderers, "Would there were no night," because of the thieves, "Would there were no light," because of the informers, and "Would there were no women," because of adultery. – St. John Chrysostom, "Homilies," circa 388


don   March 30th, 2009 5:30 pm ET

The only freedom which counts is the freedom to do what some other people think to be wrong. There is no point in demanding freedom to do that which all will applaud. All the so-called liberties or rights are things which have to be asserted against others who claim that if such things are to be allowed their own rights are infringed or their own liberties threatened. This is always true, even when we speak of the freedom to worship, of the right of free speech or association, or of public assembly. If we are to allow freedoms at all there will constantly be complaints that either the liberty itself or the way in which it is exercised is being abused, and, if it is a genuine freedom, these complaints will often be justified. There is no way of having a free society in which there is not abuse. Abuse is the very hallmark of liberty. – Lord Hailsham, former Chief Justice, "The Dilemma of Democracy


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 5:31 pm ET

Completely misguided, if I were to assume that your interpretations and uses for what they've said correct, yes.

There is no longer expert testimony, only experienced testimony.

But to answer yoru question in less abbrasive terms...

I repeat..
"‘To conclude that a proposition is true, it is not enough to know that this man or that finds it [credible]: the proposition itself must be worthy of credence.’ ~ Toulmin”

Albert Einstein once wrote that a proposition is correct if, within a logical system, it is deduced according to the accepted logical rules… A correct proposition borrows its truth, therefor, from the truth-content of the system to which it belongs…”

and Helene, you can ignore me all you liek and slather false flatteries on don all you'd like.... I don't care.


don   March 30th, 2009 5:31 pm ET

Republic . . . it means people can live free, talk free, go or come, buy or sell, be drunk or sober, however they choose. – John Wayne


don   March 30th, 2009 5:33 pm ET

A politician normally prospers under democracy in proportion ... as he excels in the invention of imaginary perils and imaginary defenses against them. – H. L. Mencken, 1918


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 5:34 pm ET

You see, all of the quotes don is spamming this blog with are opinions of the quoters, and were made at a time when little was none of the affects of such drugs on the mind and body, and to be frank, addiction is a realtively new word.

As well, they are also largely anecdotal, including those of the professors he cites. They may have great significance to the quoter, but little weight with the communitty at large, as is evidenced by the fact that marijuana, for all your stories and pasted quotes, is still very much illegal.


Helene   March 30th, 2009 5:36 pm ET

Yeah... Don.... Of course Obama will see them.... Do you know the official site for President Obama? I've got it somewhere. I'll find it a bit later today and email it to you... it's something like: mybarackobama.com

Kudos, Don. YOU ARE BRILLIANT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


don   March 30th, 2009 5:37 pm ET

. . . In any war, the first casualty is common sense, and the second is free and open discussion. - James Reston, The New York Times, 1965


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 5:37 pm ET

“‘To conclude that a proposition is true, it is not enough to know that this man or that finds it [credible]: the proposition itself must be worthy of credence.’ ~ Toulmin”

Albert Einstein once wrote that a proposition is correct if, within a logical system, it is deduced according to the accepted logical rules… A correct proposition borrows its truth, therefor, from the truth-content of the system to which it belongs…”


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 5:38 pm ET

You can spam obama's site all you like.... it's still not going to happen

“‘To conclude that a proposition is true, it is not enough to know that this man or that finds it [credible]: the proposition itself must be worthy of credence.’ ~ Toulmin”

Albert Einstein once wrote that a proposition is correct if, within a logical system, it is deduced according to the accepted logical rules… A correct proposition borrows its truth, therefor, from the truth-content of the system to which it belongs…”


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 5:40 pm ET

The notion of legalizing marijuana for recreational use based on the reasons you cite is an idea not worthy of credence, no matter who you get to say that it is.


don   March 30th, 2009 5:43 pm ET

quotes are timeless.

and by the way the reason this whole thing was brought up because the american people do wanna know about it.

president obama number one question on the online town hall meeting was about the legalization of pot they just didnt say it on T.V.

but other countries news stations are talking about it... look around online, that is since you dont believe us...lol


don   March 30th, 2009 5:45 pm ET

It is not the function of our Government to keep the citizen from falling into error; it is the function of the citizen to keep the Government from falling into error. - U.S. Supreme Court, in American Communications Association v. Douds, 339 U.S. 382,442


Helene   March 30th, 2009 5:45 pm ET

Hey don,

I am going to create a prohibition of pot page for famous quotes...

...so make sure you save them. I believe you have the back office info to create that page and post them yourself... if you want to... when you want to. Or, I will copy and paste. Whatever works.

You are blowing my mind with your EXTREME intelligence. Kudos!


don   March 30th, 2009 5:46 pm ET

“The prestige of government has undoubtedly been lowered considerably by the prohibition law. For nothing is more destructive of respect for the government and the law of the land than passing laws which cannot be enforced. It is an open secret that the dangerous increase of crime in this country is closely connected with this.”
– Albert Einstein quote on Hemp


don   March 30th, 2009 5:48 pm ET

You see, all of the quotes don is spamming this blog with are opinions of the quoters, and were made at a time when little was none of the affects of such drugs on the mind and body, and to be frank, addiction is a realtively new word.

As well, they are also largely anecdotal, including those of the professors he cites. They may have great significance to the quoter, but little weight with the communitty at large, as is evidenced by the fact that marijuana, for all your stories and pasted quotes, is still very much illegal
james arent you using old quotes too?


don   March 30th, 2009 5:54 pm ET

COPS SAY LEGALIZE DRUGS!
ASK US WHY
After nearly four decades of fueling the U.S. policy of a war on drugs with over a trillion tax dollars and 37 million arrests for nonviolent drug offenses, our confined population has quadrupled making building prisons the fastest growing industry in the United States. More than 2.2 million of our citizens are currently incarcerated and every year we arrest an additional 1.9 million more guaranteeing those prisons will be bursting at their seams. Every year we choose to continue this war will cost U.S. taxpayers another 69 billion dollars. Despite all the lives we have destroyed and all the money so ill spent, today illicit drugs are cheaper, more potent, and far easier to get than they were 35 years ago at the beginning of the war on drugs. Meanwhile, people continue dying in our streets while drug barons and terrorists continue to grow richer than ever before. We would suggest that this scenario must be the very definition of a failed public policy. This madness must cease!


don   March 30th, 2009 5:58 pm ET

helen go to google law enforcement against prohibition


don   March 30th, 2009 6:00 pm ET

Undercover Narc Says Legalize All Drugs
Jack A. Cole Mar 02 2009
Retired undercover narcotics officer Jack Cole now says it is time to legalize and regulate all drugs after spending years fighting on the front lines of the "war on drugs


Helene   March 30th, 2009 6:02 pm ET

We can also create a page on Myths... vs. Facts....

More good work, don.


don   March 30th, 2009 6:07 pm ET

did u check out L.E.A.P. (Law Enforcement Against Prohibition)


Helene   March 30th, 2009 6:07 pm ET

re: law enforcement against prohibition

...will check it out. Thanx.


don   March 30th, 2009 6:14 pm ET

we need to gather all the leaders of other websites to gather and start a petition or a march on Washington or something ive found so many other websites pertaining to this matter its time we made a peaceful protest (should contact NORML)


don   March 30th, 2009 6:36 pm ET

wow are links are still here


Helene   March 30th, 2009 6:48 pm ET

Hey, Don... just checked out the site... here's a few words I copied and pasted from LEAP [LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBITION]

COPS SAY LEGALIZE DRUGS!
ASK US WHY

"After nearly four decades of fueling the U.S. policy of a war on drugs with over a trillion tax dollars and 37 million arrests for nonviolent drug offenses, our confined population has quadrupled making building prisons the fastest growing industry in the United States. More than 2.2 million of our citizens are currently incarcerated and every year we arrest an additional 1.9 million more guaranteeing those prisons will be bursting at their seams. Every year we choose to continue this war will cost U.S. taxpayers another 69 billion dollars. Despite all the lives we have destroyed and all the money so ill spent, today illicit drugs are cheaper, more potent, and far easier to get than they were 35 years ago at the beginning of the war on drugs. Meanwhile, people continue dying in our streets while drug barons and terrorists continue to grow richer than ever before. We would suggest that this scenario must be the very definition of a failed public policy. This madness must cease!"


Helene   March 30th, 2009 6:52 pm ET

Whoops! I see you posted the same quote as I did. Did not realize that. Sorry about that...


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 7:42 pm ET

I never said I didn't believe you, I said you are incapable of winning because you are incapable of proving oyu can self moderate, and because the detriments outweigh the benefits. As well, quotes are timeless, and effective... when kept in context

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 30th, 2009 5:37 pm ET

“‘To conclude that a proposition is true, it is not enough to know that this man or that finds it [credible]: the proposition itself must be worthy of credence.’ ~ Toulmin”

Albert Einstein once wrote that a proposition is correct if, within a logical system, it is deduced according to the accepted logical rules… A correct proposition borrows its truth, therefor, from the truth-content of the system to which it belongs…”

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 30th, 2009 5:38 pm ET

You can spam obama’s site all you like…. it’s still not going to happen

“‘To conclude that a proposition is true, it is not enough to know that this man or that finds it [credible]: the proposition itself must be worthy of credence.’ ~ Toulmin”

Albert Einstein once wrote that a proposition is correct if, within a logical system, it is deduced according to the accepted logical rules… A correct proposition borrows its truth, therefor, from the truth-content of the system to which it belongs…”

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 30th, 2009 5:40 pm ET

The notion of legalizing marijuana for recreational use based on the reasons you cite is an idea not worthy of credence, no matter who you get to say that it is.


Helene   March 30th, 2009 7:55 pm ET

FROM: LEAP [LAW ENFORCEMENT AGAINST PROHIBITION]

DRUG WAR DIARIES: NE Police Create Self-fulfilling Prophecy?
J. Michael Jones – Wednesday, November 12

November 10, 2008 – the 233rd birthday of the United States Marine Corps Mass. voters OK decriminalization of marijuana – Local News Updates – The Boston Globe a recent headline announced the voters’ decision in Massachusetts. The Eagle-Tribune online has this headline NH Police Expect change in Mass. drug laws will have an impact. This is worth reading, if only for the readers’ comments. Trivia quiz- who was Buford Pusser?
Seriously, it appears that law enforcement is already expecting a rise in the use of cannabis and possession of small amounts, as if the change in the law will encourage people to rush out and purchase pot when the law goes into effect. I’m sure that, as with most self-fulfilling prophecies, if they look for it they will find it: whether it is there or not.

And, in a lighter approach Coming Soon to your Michigan Town: Wacky Tobbacy Vending Machines provides a succinct overview of Michigan’s recent vote to allow the use of medical cannabis.

All the while the citizens are saying YES! the Feds are saying NO! Perhaps, the Feds need to be reminded for whom they toil, this will require that our elected representatives be reminded that when they are doing the people’s business they should consider what business the people want conducted and how.

Blessings, peace and joy.

J. Michael Jones

--------
J Michael Jones
Deputy Chief of Police (Retired)

"The 'War on Drugs' has undermined the credibility of law enforcement and government in general, as well as exacerbating the problem of corruption."
Mike Jones grew up wanting to serve. He joined the US Marine Corps straight out of high school. He followed this up a few years later with more service, this time by way of the Gainesville, FL, Police Dept. His first assignment was as an undercover narcotics officer. "As much as I enjoyed the excitement, freedom, and challenge of undercover work," he recalls, "after a year I had reached the point where I would look into the mirror and ask myself whose life I was going to screw up that day. Most of the people I had busted were young kids who were sharing pot and psychedelics more as a cottage industry than as true dealers."

Jones spent most of the next several years as a soldier of one stripe or another in the "War on Drugs," and from his front-line position he couldn't help but see the futility of the fight. "Pot was going in hundreds of pounds and in tons instead of lids," he reports, "there was more coke and heroin - easier to get and cheaper than before - and nearly everyone had guns.... It did not require a rocket scientist to see that there was a continuous escalation occurring - and that law enforcement was losing ground while expending ever-increasing resources acquired by ever more extravagant promises of results." He was also seeing how the "War on Drugs" corrupted the warriors. "The siren song of working narcotics was ruining law-enforcement officers who could have been far more productive. These people became fanatical in their pursuit of dealers, using and abusing drug users to achieve their goals. I noticed that federal agents in particular had virtually no regard for the concepts of personal dignity and humane treatment. Police agencies were becoming openly corrupted by the drug trade. There were several incidents in the Miami area where officers were ripping off dealers for the drugs and the money - and sometimes killing the dealers."

As time passed, developments like the political posturing of getting "tough on crime" by moves like imposing mandatory minimum sentences on drug users and the rise of what he calls "the corrections industry" only furthered Jones convictions. "The 'War on Drugs' represents a tremendous waste of resources," he points out, "resources that could be better used for treatment programs and diverted to better uses within the criminal justice system." By way of LEAP, Mike hopes to "make a positive difference by spreading the word. If the 'War on Drugs' were to end tomorrow, I think it would be wonderful. That is unlikely, but a nudge here or there may have great effect over time. I hope to make a nudge or two."


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 30th, 2009 7:58 pm ET

A court case is like a math word problem... no math [evidence] and all you have is a bunch of words and a problem

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 30th, 2009 7:42 pm ET

I never said I didn’t believe you, I said you are incapable of winning because you are incapable of proving oyu can self moderate, and because the detriments outweigh the benefits. As well, quotes are timeless, and effective… when kept in context

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 30th, 2009 5:37 pm ET

“‘To conclude that a proposition is true, it is not enough to know that this man or that finds it [credible]: the proposition itself must be worthy of credence.’ ~ Toulmin”

Albert Einstein once wrote that a proposition is correct if, within a logical system, it is deduced according to the accepted logical rules… A correct proposition borrows its truth, therefor, from the truth-content of the system to which it belongs…”

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 30th, 2009 5:38 pm ET

You can spam obama’s site all you like…. it’s still not going to happen

“‘To conclude that a proposition is true, it is not enough to know that this man or that finds it [credible]: the proposition itself must be worthy of credence.’ ~ Toulmin”

Albert Einstein once wrote that a proposition is correct if, within a logical system, it is deduced according to the accepted logical rules… A correct proposition borrows its truth, therefor, from the truth-content of the system to which it belongs…”

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 30th, 2009 5:40 pm ET

The notion of legalizing marijuana for recreational use based on the reasons you cite is an idea not worthy of credence, no matter who you get to say that it is.


don   March 30th, 2009 8:10 pm ET

Marijuana, Mary Jane, Weed, and a whole other list of names are used to describe the "harmful drug" that is produced from Cannabis. People say that weed is harmful and that we should never legalize it, but frankly, those people are full of @!$%#. Sorry for the language, but I have had enough of hypocritical people trying to interfere in others lives and limiting what they can do, all while those who try to stop legalization drink beer and smoke cigarettes, which are much more harmful then weed. Lets take a look at some statistics in the U.S.A, shall we?

· Deaths per year resulting from alcohol: 100,000

· Deaths per year resulting from tobacco: 430,000

· Deaths per year resulting from aspirin: 180- 1000

· Deaths per year resulting from legal drugs: 106,000

· Deaths that have ever occurred in direct result of Cannabis: 0 (that's right zero)

Okay, so weed, which is apparently so dangerous, kills 0 people a year while alcohol and tobacco kill over 530,000 a YEAR!

Lets take a look at some of the economic and environmental effects marijuana could have

· Farming 6% of the continental U.S. acreage with biomass crops (Hemp) would provide all of America's Energy needs.

· Biomass can be converted into methane, methanol, or gasoline (which could eliminate our ties with the Middle East) at a cost comparable to petroleum and hemp is much better for the environment.

· Hemp fuel burns clean. Petroleum causes acid rain due to sulfur pollution.

· The use of Hemp Fuel does not contribute to global warming

Ahh, our good old friend Petroleum/oil. Now I see why some of the lawmakers who are so anti-legalization also happen to be on the payroll of major oil companies. Lets take a look at some health facts about marijuana.

· Hemp seed can be pressed into nutritious oil, which contains the highest amount of fatty acids in the plant kingdom. Essential oils are responsible for our immune system responses, and can clear the arteries of cholesterol and plaque.

· The byproduct of pressing the oil from hemp seed is a high quality protein seed cake. It can be used to bake into cakes, breads and casseroles. Hemp seed protein is one of mankind's finest, most complete, and available-to-the body vegetable proteins.

· A Vegan or vegetarian can get all of the days required protein from a handful of hemp seed.

And some more facts...

· Hemp is the oldest cultivated fiber plant in the world.

· Low-THC fiber hemp varieties developed by the French and others have been available for over 20 years. It is impossible to get high from fiber hemp. Over 600,000 acres of hemp is grown worldwide with no misuse problem.

· One acre of hemp can produce as much usable fiber as 4 acres of trees or two acres of cotton.

· Trees cut down take 50-500 years to grow, while hemp can be cultivated in as little as 100 days and can yield 4 times more paper over a 20 year period.

· Until 1883, from 75-90% of all paper in the world was made with cannabis hemp fiber including that for books, Bibles, maps, paper money, stocks and bonds, newspapers, etc.

· Hemp paper is longer lasting than wood pulp, stronger, acid-free, and chlorine free (Chlorine is estimated to cause up to 10% of all Cancers).

· Hemp paper can be recycled 7 times, wood pulp 4 times.

· Hemp particleboard may be up to 2 times stronger than wood particleboard and holds nails better.

· Hemp is a softer, warmer, and more water absorbent, than cotton and doesn't stretch out.

· Half of the U.S. pesticides are used to treat cotton, while hemp has a natural pesticide.

Sweet Jesus! The Bible was made from weed! Read on...

· Almost any product that can be made from wood, cotton, or petroleum (including plastics) can be made from hemp. There are 25,000 known uses for hemp.

· For thousands of years virtually all good paints and varnishes were made with hemp seed oil and/or linseed oil.

· One acre of hemp produces as much cellulose fiber pulp as 4.1 acres of trees, making hemp a perfect material to replace trees for pressed board, particle board, and concrete construction molds.

· Heating and compressing plant fibers can create a practical, inexpensive, fire-resistant constructions material with excellent thermal and sound-insulating qualities.

· In 1941 Henry Ford built a plastic car made of fiber from hemp and wheat straw. Hemp is biodegradable, as synthetic plastic is not.

And now for some important American Founding Fathers who liked Mary Jane...

· Presidents Washington and Jefferson both grew hemp. Americans were legally bound to grow hemp during the Colonial Era and Early Republic.

But I do not wish to say that marijuana is all positive. It can have several side effects such as lower sperm cell count. But how does that give anyone the right to say that alcohol and tobacco are okay, but that weed isn't. That my friends is hypocrisy.

Here are some great websites for those who wish to visit.

hempcar.org/hempfacts.shtml ecomall.com/greenshopping/sdethemp7.htm thehia.org/hempfacts.htm naihc.org/hemp_information/hemp_facts.html .druglibrary.org/schaffer/hemp/fact1_10.htm kentuckyhemp.com/library/facts.html .globalhemp.com/Archives/FAQ/industrial_hemp_facts.html


don   March 30th, 2009 8:12 pm ET

this was an great article supporting us from newsvine.com

Cut the hypocrisy, legalize marijuana. (poll included)
News Type: Event — Wed Jun 20, 2007 12:39 AM EDT (title of previous article)


don   March 30th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

helene, that was a great article you found on the L.E.A.P. site GREAT JOB!!!!!!!


don   March 30th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

BIOMASS CONVERSION to fuel has proven economically feasible, first in laboratory tests and by continuous operation of pilot plants in field tests since 1973. When the energy crop is growing it takes in C02 from the air, so when it is burned the C02 is released, creating a balanced system.

Biomass is the term used to describe all biologically produced matter. World production of biomass is estimated at 146 billion metric tons a year, mostly wild plant growth. Some farm crops and trees can produce up to 20 metric tons per acre of biomass a year.

Types of algae and grasses may produce 50 metric tons per year. This biomass has a heating value of 5000-8000 BTU/lb, with virtually no ash or sulfur produced during combustion. About 6% of contiguous United States land area put into cultivation for biomass could supply all current demands for oil and gas.

The foundation upon which this will be achieved is the emerging concept of "energy farming," wherein farmers grow and harvest crops for biomass conversion to fuels.

PYROLYSIS IS THE TECHNIQUE of applying high heat to organic matter (ligno-cellulosic materials) in the absence of air or in reduced air. The process can produce charcoal, condensable organic liquids (pyrolytic fuel oil), non-condensable gasses, acetic acid, acetone, and methanol. The process can be adjusted to favor charcoal, pyrolytic oil, gas, or methanol production with a 95.5% fuel-to-feed efficiency.

Pyrolysis has been used since the dawn of civilization. Ancient Egyptians practiced wood distillation by collecting the tars and pyroligneous acid for use in their embalming industry.

Methanol-powered automobiles and reduced emissions from coal-fired power plants can be accomplished by biomass conversion to fuel utilizing pyrolysis technology, and at the same time save the American family farm while turning the American heartland into a prosperous source of clean energy production.

Pyrolysis has the advantage of using the same technology now used to process crude fossil fuel oil and coal. Coal and oil conversion is more efficient in terms of fuel-to-feed ratio, but biomass conversion by pyrolysis has many environmental and economic advantages over coal and oil.

Pyrolysis facilities will run three shifts a day. Some 68% of the energy of the raw biomass will be contained in the charcoal and fuel oils made at the facility. This charcoal has nearly the same heating value in BTU as coal, with virtually no sulfur.

Pyrolytic fuel oil has similar properties to no. 2 and no. 6 fuel oil. The charcoal can be transported economically by rail to all urban area power plants generating electricity. The fuel oil can be transported economically by trucking creating more jobs for Americans. When these plants use charcoal instead of coal, the problems of acid rain will begin to disappear.

When this energy system is on line producing a steady supply of fuel for electrical power plants, it will be more feasible to build the complex gasifying systems to produce methanol from the cubed biomass, or make synthetic gasoline from the methanol by the addition of the Mobil Co. process equipment to the gasifier.

FARMERS MUST BE ALLOWED TO GROW an energy crop capable of producing 10 tons per acre in 90-120 days. This crop must be woody in nature and high in lignocellulose. It must be able to grow in all climactic zones in America.

And it should not compete with food crops for the most productive land, but be grown in rotation with food crops or on marginal land where food crop production isn't profitable.

When farmers can make a profit growing energy, it will not take long to get 6% of continental American land mass into cultivation of biomass fuel–enough to replace our economy's dependence on fossil fuels. We will no longer be increasing the C02 burden in the atmosphere. The threat of global greenhouse warming and adverse climactic change will diminish. To keep costs down, pyrolysis reactors need to be located within a 50 mile radius of the energy farms. This necessity will bring life back to our small towns by providing jobs locally.

HEMP IS THE NUMBER ONE biomass producer on planet earth: 10 tons per acre in approximately four months. It is a woody plant containing 77% cellulose. Wood produces 60% cellulose. This energy crop can be harvested with equipment readily available. It can be "cubed" by modifying hay cubing equipment. This method condenses the bulk, reducing trucking costs from the field to the pyrolysis reactor. And the biomass cubes are ready for conversion with no further treatment.

Hemp is drought resistant, making it an ideal crop in the dry western regions of the country. Hemp is the only biomass resource capable of making America energy independent. And our government outlawed it in 1938.

Remember, in 10 years, by the year 2000, America will have exhausted 80% of her petroleum reserves. Will we then go to war with the Arabs for the privilege of driving our cars; will we stripmine our land for coal, and poison our air so we can drive our autos an extra 100 years; will we raze our forests for our energy needs?

During World War II, our supply of hemp was cut off by the Japanese. The federal government responded to the emergency by suspending marijuana prohibition. Patriotic American farmers were encouraged to apply for a license to cultivate hemp and responded enthusiastically. Hundreds of thousands of acres of hemp were grown.


don   March 30th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

HEMP FOR FUEL
Excerpted from "Energy Farming in America," by Lynn Osburn
see above


Helene   March 30th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Wow... we sure are learning a lot, aren't we?
This has been quite the educational experience.
Hard to argue with these facts, isn't it?

Yeah... of course I found the article with your help!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 12:04 pm ET

A court case is like a math word problem… no math [evidence] and all you have is a bunch of words and a problem

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 30th, 2009 7:42 pm ET

I never said I didn’t believe you, I said you are incapable of winning because you are incapable of proving oyu can self moderate, and because the detriments outweigh the benefits. As well, quotes are timeless, and effective… when kept in context

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 30th, 2009 5:37 pm ET

“‘To conclude that a proposition is true, it is not enough to know that this man or that finds it [credible]: the proposition itself must be worthy of credence.’ ~ Toulmin”

Albert Einstein once wrote that a proposition is correct if, within a logical system, it is deduced according to the accepted logical rules… A correct proposition borrows its truth, therefor, from the truth-content of the system to which it belongs…”

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 30th, 2009 5:38 pm ET

You can spam obama’s site all you like…. it’s still not going to happen

“‘To conclude that a proposition is true, it is not enough to know that this man or that finds it [credible]: the proposition itself must be worthy of credence.’ ~ Toulmin”

Albert Einstein once wrote that a proposition is correct if, within a logical system, it is deduced according to the accepted logical rules… A correct proposition borrows its truth, therefor, from the truth-content of the system to which it belongs…”

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 30th, 2009 5:40 pm ET

The notion of legalizing marijuana for recreational use based on the reasons you cite is an idea not worthy of credence, no matter who you get to say that it is.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 12:10 pm ET

It seems a new god has emerged; Lord Cannabis

It's prophets, don, illegalsmile, Helene and Linda have all spent massive amounts of time finding the most trivial and meaningless data and attempted to transform them into relevant information. They bow, they scrape and they postulate themselves before the altar of pot. They would sacrifice their first born if the weed didn't make them too lazy to pick up the sacrificial knife, if their resin cleaner and dime bag weren't sitting right next to them.

Clouds of smoke filter through every crack and crevice and permiate every body and non body in the temple to St. MaryJane, and docile is what they become. Like cows lead to slaughter. Dining at the trough of tweenkie, and worshipping yet another imaginary friend and holding their own "sacred" sermons on the mount.... of weed.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 12:15 pm ET

Helene March 30th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Wow… we sure are learning a lot, aren’t we?
This has been quite the educational experience.
Hard to argue with these facts, isn’t it?

No Helene, you're learning how to lie more effectively and be a more clever pothead, adn what you call facts is just an excercise in unethical behavior.

What byou have before you, what you have been worshipping all this time, is data, removed of context and any counter information that's out there.

It isn't hard to argue with you all, just tedious, as it will always be with potheads, completely obnlicvious to the world around them willing to believe anything that will help them coddle their addictions to the detriment of their own children, my child and society as a whole. Tedious like trying to explain how the milkshake machine works when they come in to their jobs at burger king and mcdonalds high as a kite...

not hard Helene... just tedious. Liek trying to explain to someone with the mental capacity of a spoiled two year old the complexities of potty training, or tiing their own shoes.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 12:19 pm ET

You're all like Warren Jeffs Polygamist wives longing for the marijuana zion. A vacant thrall, hypnotized and brainwashed into thinking you're of any use to anyone. Meandering through life, but somehow making yourself useful to only yourselves. You are the next generation of the manson family; easily swayed, easily offended when your drug is put under any real and genuine scrutiny, and like little berzerking slaves whipped into a frenzy by your pot puppetmaster; completley devoid of a spine.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 12:37 pm ET

don's arguement translated back into context...

Child sexual assault, Child porn, kiddie porn, child rape, incest, lewd and liscivious acts with a child and a whole other list of names are used to describe the “harmful act” of slamming a gross reality into the life of a small and impressionable child. People say that sex with a child is harmful and that we should never legalize it, but frankly, don feels those people are full of @!$%#. Sorry for the language, but don has had enough of people he imagines are hypocritical people trying to interfere in others lives and limiting what they can do, all while those who try to stop legalization of the child sex trade drink beer and smoke cigarettes, which are much more harmful then sex with children.

You see, don's arguement, that people liek Helene are more than happy to praise, is full of *&^%$( itself. A child rapist will tell you, just like a marijuana smoker will tell you, that their actions only real threat is just an imagined threat created by the anit child sex trade lobby. A detriment imagined up by prudes and puritans.

They won't include in their arguements the number of deaths do to Martijuana involved DUI, the number of date rapes involving Marijuana, the number of murders attributed to a bad deal involving marijuana, the loss of jobs due to marijuana, the loss of any sort of responsibility or accountability due to smoking marijuana because it goes against their way of life.


Illegalsmile   March 31st, 2009 12:48 pm ET

March 26th, 2009 by Miranda Marquit Is marijuana less dangerous than alcohol? (PhysOrg.com) - It appears that when it comes to teen brain development,parents should be more worried about alcohol abuse than marijuana abuse. Tworecent studies have been published showing that alcohol - a legal substance(though not legal for teens in the U.S.) - is considered more dangerous thanmarijuana, which is illegal in many countries. One study has been published in the U.S., in the journal Clinical EEG andneuroscience: official journal of the EEG and Clinical Neuroscience Society(ENCS), and shows that alcohol has a stronger effect on teen brain developmentthan marijuana. The other is a study published in the Lancet, offering theresults of substance classification by a number of U.K. professionals,purporting that alcohol is more dangerous than marijuana to individuals and tosociety. The U.S. study was undertaken by Squeglia, Jacobus and Tapert in a San DiegoState University/University of California San Diego joint doctoral program. Thestudy looks at teen brain development for its uniqueness, as well as for theeffects that substance abuse has on the brain during this time. Because alcoholand marijuana are commonly used by high school students, it is little surprisethat the study is interested in the brain abnormalities stemming from abuse ofthese substances. When the brain abnormalities were measured - seen in terms of brainfunctioning and structure, cognitive tasks and quality of white matter - itappeared as though alcohol had a great effect than marijuana. Heavy drinkingwas defined 20 drinks per month, and the abnormalities were detectable. Inheavy marijuana users, abnormalities existed, but not to the same degree asthose seen in alcohol abusers. Findings from the U.S. study, showing that alcohol use in teens causes moreirregular brain function than marijuana, would seem to square with efforts inthe U.K. to encourage new drug classification. In the Lancet, David Nutt atBristol University, along with his colleagues, asked psychologists andscientifically or medically trained police to rank different substancesaccording to how harmful they are. The study purports that experts rank alcohol(and tobacco) as more harmful than marijuana. In a list of 20 substances,alcohol came in at number five, tobacco came in at number nine, andmarijuana/cannabis came in at number eleven. These studies are likely to add fuel to movements in both the U.S. and the U.K.to re-classify marijuana. Supporters of fewer restrictions on marijuana willundoubtedly point to scientific studies that show we already legalize lessdangerous substances.© 2009 PhysOrg.com


Illegalsmile   March 31st, 2009 12:49 pm ET

DEA officer stops at a ranch in Montana, and talks with an old rancher. He tells the rancher, "I need to inspect your ranch for illegally grown drugs." The old rancher says, "Okay, but do not go in that field over there," as he points out the location. The DEA officer replies, "Mister, I have the authority of the Federal Government with me." Reaching into his rear pants pocket, he removes his badge and proudly displays it to the farmer. "See this badge? This badge means I am allowed to go wherever I wish...on any land. No questions asked or answers given. Have I made myself clear? Do you understand?" The old rancher nods politely, apologizes, and goes about his chores. A short time later, the old rancher hears loud screams and sees the DEA officer running for his life chased close behind by the rancher's prize bull. With every step the bull is gaining ground on the officer, and it seems likely that he'll get "horned" before he reaches safety. The officer is clearly terrified. The old rancher throws down his tools, runs to the fence and yells at the top of his lungs..... "Your badge! Show him your badge!"


Illegalsmile   March 31st, 2009 12:55 pm ET

Cannabis in painful HIV-associated sensory neuropathy
A randomized placebo-controlled trial
D. I. Abrams, MD, C. A. Jay, MD, S. B. Shade, MPH, H. Vizoso, RN, H. Reda, BA, S. Press, BS, M. E. Kelly, MPH, M. C. Rowbotham, MD and K. L. Petersen, MD


Illegalsmile   March 31st, 2009 12:56 pm ET

Health and Human Services claims that “marijuana has no currently accepted medical use in
treatment in the United States.” However, more than 6,500 reports and journal articles from
around the world support the medical value of cannabis (marijuana). In addition, dozens of
public health organizations have endorsed medical use of marijuana including the National
Association of People Living With AIDS, AIDS Action Council, the American Public Health
Association, the American Academy of Family Physicians, the American Nurses Association, the
Federation of American Scientists, Kaiser Permanente, the New England Journal of Medicine, the
National Association for Public Health Policy, the California Medical Association, the Whitman-
Walker Clinic, the Lymphoma Foundation of America, and many more.


Illegalsmile   March 31st, 2009 12:56 pm ET

Cannabis Smoking Does Not Cause Cancer
Sources: Tashkin D. Marijuana Use and Lung Cancer: Results of a Case-Control Study. American
Thoracic Society International Conference. May 23, 2006, San Diego, California
According to Dr. Donald Tashkin and his colleagues at the University of California in Los
Angeles results from a case-controlled study demonstrate that even heavy and long-term
smoking of cannabis is not associated with lung cancer and other types of upper
aerodigestive tract cancers.
The study included 1,209 residents of Los Angeles aged 18-59 with cancer (611 lung,
403 oral/pharyngeal, 90 laryngeal, and 108 esophageal). Interviewers collected lifetime
histories of cannabis, tobacco, alcohol and other drug use, and data on other factors that
may influence cancer risk, including diet, occupational exposures, and family history of
cancer. Exposure to cannabis was measured in joint years (1 joint year = 365 joints). The
cancer patients were compared to 1,040 cancer-free controls. Among the controls 46 per
cent had never used cannabis, 31 per cent had used it for less than one joint year, 12 per
cent for 10-30 joint years, 2 per cent for 30-60 joint years, and 3 per cent for more than
60 joint years.
Compared with subjects who had used less than one joint year, the risk for lung cancer
was 0.78 for 1-10 joint years, 0.74 for 10-30 joint years, 0.85 for 30-60 joint years, and
0.81 for more than 60 joint years. A risk below 1.0 means that the risk for cannabis users
was slightly lower than for non-users. Similar results were obtained for the other cancer
sites. There was no dose-response relationship of cancer risk, which means that there was
no increased risks for more intensive users.


Illegalsmile   March 31st, 2009 12:57 pm ET

Smoked Cannabis Reduces HIV-Related Painful Peripheral Neuropathy
Sources: Abrams DI, Jay CA, Vizoso H, Shade SB, Reda H, Press S, Kelly ME,
Rowbotham M, Petersen K. “Smoked cannabis therapy for HIV-related painful
peripheral neuropathy: results of a randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial.”
Abstract, IACM 3rd Conference on Cannabinoids in Medicine, September 9-10,
2005, Leiden
The results of a randomized, placebo-controlled clinical trial demonstrates that smoked
marijuana is effective in reducing HIV-related chronic ongoing neuropathic and acute
pain. Neuropathy is a nerve disease, which often results in numbness, weakness, and
spontaneous muscle twitching. Neuropathy is a serious medical problem with
unsatisfactory treatment options.
In a clinical trial at the University of California, research participants smoked one
marijuana cigarette containing 3.56% THC or a placebo three times daily for 5 days.
Researchers concluded that smoked cannabis provided greater than a 30% reduction of
pain in 13 of 25 randomized patients, who averaged 6 years of neuropathic pain.


Illegalsmile   March 31st, 2009 12:58 pm ET

Cannabis Reduces Neuropathic Pain In Multiple Sclerosis Patients
Sources: Rog DJ, Nurmikko TJ, Friede T, Young CA. “Randomized, controlled trial
of cannabis-based medicine in central pain in multiple sclerosis”. Neurology
2005;65(6):812-9;
3
Researchers for the Walton Centre for Neurology and Neurosurgery in Liverpool
conducted a single-center, 5-week, randomized, placebo-controlled group trial on
patients with MS of a whole-plant cannabis-based medicine delivered via an oral spray.
Each spray delivered 2.7mg of THC and 2.5mg of CBD (THC and CBD are two active
compounds produced naturally by the cannabis plant), and patients could gradually selftitrate
to a maximum of 48 sprays in 24 hours.
The researchers concluded that the cannabis-based extract Sativex, manufactured by GW
Pharmaceuticals, is effective in reducing central neuropathic pain and sleep disturbance in
people with multiple sclerosis (MS). Based on these study results, which were published
now in the journal Neurology, Sativex was approved as a prescription medicine in Canada
for the symptomatic relief of neuropathic pain in adults with MS and is available in
pharmacies since 20 June 2005.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 1:03 pm ET

They won't tell you the time lost at work and the money lost from time lost, the drop in quality work, or the drop in quality care of the potsmokers own child(ren) because the pot smoker would rather smoke pot. They won' t tell oyu how pot removes the natural ability of the pot smoker to cope with everyday life and how pot becaomes the serrogate for that; a serrogate that the potsmoker becfomes entirely dependant apon.

It's all just too inconvenient for them.


Helene   March 31st, 2009 1:07 pm ET

If you are new to this blog... you'll notice there is a debate happening, here. James in Idaho vs. most everyone else. If you scroll mid-way down, you'll hear James' admission that he was forced to have oral sex with his older step-brother at the age of six. Needless to say, you'll notice he is still quite angry, and his arguments, twisted much of the time.

Just wanted to give U a "heads up".


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 1:08 pm ET

They won't tell you just how determined and willing they are to place someone on constant watch against anyone who would downtalk their chosen master. They won't tell you about all the bad life, career, and economic decsions made while the smokere is high. they won't tell you about all the unexpected sex that comes when to potsmokers comes together leading to unwanted pregnancies and unwanted diseases due to lax inhibitions. They won't tell you about the rise in abortions among pot infested areas. They won't tell you about the loss to businesses over insurance related claims by fraudulent "sufferers" of miniscule aches and pains just as easily done away with with asperin.

They won't tell you any of this because it's true and entirely counter to the blessings they would swear coems from smoking the weed.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 1:10 pm ET

They WILL lie to you and tell you that these things were happening independantly of the pot being smoked, and that the people were just lazy by nature in the first place. They WILL lie to oyu and tell you that it was due to the persons weakness rather than something the drug did to them. They WILL lie to oyu because to do otherwise is to admit they were wrong the whole time, and people will do anything to keep others thinking they were rigth, and never have to deal with the embarassment of being just flat wrong the whole time.


Helene   March 31st, 2009 1:17 pm ET

GREAT IDEA:

You know, Illegalsmile, you and don 'ought to collaborate on an e-book!


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 1:20 pm ET

Two of the pot smokers favored tactics is to

1. Engage in ad hominem, or against the person attacks rather than dealing with actual evidence.

An excellent example of this would be this recent post here by Helene... "Helene March 31st, 2009 1:07 pm ET

If you are new to this blog… you’ll notice there is a debate happening, here. James in Idaho vs. most everyone else. If you scroll mid-way down, you’ll hear James’ admission that he was forced to have oral sex with his older step-brother at the age of six. Needless to say, you’ll notice he is still quite angry, and his arguments, twisted much of the time.

Just wanted to give U a “heads up”.

Anythign to attempt to smear the good name and credibility of a counter arguer with issues that have nothing whatsoever to do with the subject at hand, and that often use twisted and callous and grossly unethical insults meant to do no other thing than to demean.

2. Spam relatively useless diatribes and anecdotes by questionable if not downright biased sources, ad naseum to convolute any real debate over the issue. these people often come prepared with cached essays that they have saved over time. They are very good at spamming these cached arguements because all it requires is a google search, a copy paste feature, and no real understanding of the subject being discussed.

For an excellent example of this, see every single post or comment Illegalsmile has ever put on any Larry King blog anywhwere.

The real tragedy is that simple and jelloed minds like don and Helene are among the thousands who are easily swayed and susceptible to hypnotic suggestion. Confused easily by any form of data they might have apropensity to agree with in the first place and that requires no real thought or research. No real or genuine understanding of what thy're either advocating or proselitaizing.

Often refered to, justifiabley and with solid basis, as Sheeple or lemmings. Fololowing the one in front without asking where they're going, and never really looking ahead.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 1:27 pm ET

The intelligent and informed reader will learn the definitions and structures of fale arguements, and after applying them here realize that that is all the pro pot commentor has to go on...

Here is a list of common arguement fallacies to aid oyu in your quest for real and genuine objective truth...

From The Structure of Arguement by Annette T. Rottenberg Pg's 222-231

1. Hasty Generalization
2. Faulty Use of Authority
3. Post hoc or Doubtful Cause
4. False Analogy
5. Ad Hominem
6. False Dilemma
7. Slippery Slope
8. Begging the Question
9. Straw Man
10. Two Wrongs Make a Right
11. Non Sequitor
12. Ad Populum
13. Appeal to Tradition
14. Faulty Emotional Appeals

A sincere study of the arguements and data Illegalsmiel and others here have presented wil show anyone with an objective mind who reads this that every arguemetn these people has mad has contained most, if not all, of these common arguement fallacies, otherwise known as lies and "stretching the truth".


Helene   March 31st, 2009 1:28 pm ET

GREAT IDEA:

Here's another section for our brand-spanking new blog:

prohibitionofpot.blogspot.com [google it !!!]

RESEARCH ON THE BENEFICIAL AFFECTS OF CANNABIS

...let's see I.Q. guy argue with those folks.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 1:35 pm ET

There are no beneficial affects of smoking cannabis, only segmented results and benefits to elements found within the cannabis plant; elements that cna easily and cheaply be removed.

I never argued agaisnt the benefits of such elements for medical purposes, nor would I as I would also not argue agaisnt stem cell research, nor will I argue against Hemp as a textile. I only argue, successfully, against the legalization of pot for smoking for recreational purposes.

Another favored tactic is to compltely falsify any counterarguement by stating that the counter arguer is arguing against something the counterarguer clearly has not argued against. This way, they can attack them for doing what they really didn't do rather than dealing with the arguements at hand. This is an example, a prime example in fact, of a straw man arguement.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 1:42 pm ET

Helene March 31st, 2009 1:28 pm ET

GREAT IDEA:

Here’s another section for our brand-spanking new blog:

prohibitionofpot.blogspot.com [google it !!!]

RESEARCH ON THE BENEFICIAL AFFECTS OF CANNABIS

…let’s see I.Q. guy argue with those folks.

They've already been argued against; you lost. How soon oyu forget.


Helene   March 31st, 2009 1:47 pm ET

...just to repeat...

James volunteered this information on his own. Having hosted a television show, a radio show, and being a registered dietitian and baby boomer, I feel the need to summarize the truth as you will experience it... if you have any interest in surfing this blog.

...it might take a few weeks to get through it.

But, it is a masterpeice in Social Science.

His admission, I might add, came after we bloggers noticed his obsession with the discussion of sex and children.

And his statements about God, were deeply disturbing:

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 28th, 2009 6:21 am ET

God’s a piehole and it stinks liek tuna


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 1:48 pm ET

Helene March 31st, 2009 1:17 pm ET

GREAT IDEA:

You know, Illegalsmile, you and don ‘ought to collaborate on an e-book!

They Can't Helene, that would be plagerism. Stealing someone elses work adn passing it off as one's own. They can cite these as sources, but this isn't their work.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   March 31st, 2009 1:53 pm ET

Helene March 31st, 2009 1:47 pm ET

…just to repeat…

James volunteered this information on his own.

Which you then exploited as a child rapist might exploit a child or a bully might exploit the suffering of others.

Having hosted a television show, a radio show, and being a registered dietitian and baby boomer, I feel the need to summarize the truth as you will experience it… if you have any interest in surfing this blog.

Your credentials as a professional gossiper and eater are noted. Thank you.

His admission, I might add, came after we bloggers noticed his obsession with the discussion of sex and children.

Not at all, my admission was a direct response to someone who claimed I didn't know what I was tlaking about. I admitted what happened to me to show you and every other pothead nutjob out there that I do know what I'm talking about, and sadly am intimately familiar wiht it. As I said, I speak from experience. You all speak from reading and misinterpreting other research.

And his statements about God, were deeply disturbing:

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 28th, 2009 6:21 am ET

God’s a piehole and it stinks liek tuna

Actually that was a response to your insincere and blasphemous well wishes exploiting god. My views on god are rather timid actually. I was making a snide remark to show you just how relevant your imaginary friend is.

And my criticism stands.


Helene   March 31st, 2009 1:55 pm ET

...what is he on?


Helene   March 31st, 2009 1:58 pm ET

...did you know potatoes are highly glycemic, raise blood sugars rapidly, and produce tidal waves of serotonin?


Helene   March 31st, 2009 2:04 pm ET

There's an old saying:

When you point the finger at someone, you've got three more fingers pointing back at you.


Helene   March 31st, 2009 2:08 pm ET

James can teach us ALL a lesson in persistence.


Helene   March 31st, 2009 2:12 pm ET

Like potatoes, mj triggers the release of serotonin, for that relaxed peaceful feeling.

Both are considered drugs.


Helene   March 31st, 2009 2:43 pm ET

re: President Obama laughing when addressing the issue of mj to improving our economy...

I agree with one of the earlier posts in this blog:

He remembered how good it felt to be buzzed... remembered all those blissful feelings and he just had to smile... probably wished he had a joint for after the town hall meeting.

...as for his crack about what this says about his "on-line community"... I think this is Obama minus the balls... like Phelps saying he made a mistake, in order to keep his sponsors ...because you know how all important that mighty dollar bill is...

I plan on sending Obama a link to this blog... eventually... and saying, "What does THIS say about your on-line community, Mr. President"

I invite you all to do the same.

And, as don previously mentioned... perhaps mj IS a gateway drug... the past few presidents have smoked it... so we can safely say mj consumption is a gateway to becoming president.

Thanx, don, for that brilliant insight!!!


Helene   March 31st, 2009 3:28 pm ET

George Washington smoked it. Thomas Jeffersen smoked it, and grew it... Yes... it MUST BE a gateway drug... to becoming president.


Helene   March 31st, 2009 3:44 pm ET

Here's a previously cited quote by Abraham Lincoln regarding the concept of prohibition:

Dane March 27th, 2009 11:29 pm ET

Let’s not forget this great quote either, for those who may have never heard it:

“Prohibition will work great injury to the cause of temperance. It is a species of intemperance within itself, for it goes beyond the bounds of reason in that it attempts to control a man’s appetite by legislation, and makes a crime out of things that are not crimes. A Prohibition law strikes a blow at the very principles upon which our government was founded.”

-Abraham Lincoln


don   March 31st, 2009 4:59 pm ET

helen, awsome post's and yeah, james is so stuck in his own world he cannot think clearly.

i mean yeah we wouldnt be here is it wasnt for marijuana


don   March 31st, 2009 5:02 pm ET

hey buddy this is based on solid facts, and yah that is what our input is supposed to be based on. Opinions dont matter only facts count.


don   March 31st, 2009 5:27 pm ET

look up hempcar on youtube there are a couple good videos


Helene   March 31st, 2009 5:53 pm ET

....really????? !!!!!!! hemp cars.


Illegalsmile   April 1st, 2009 12:28 am ET

Note: Aaron Houston is director of government relations for the Marijuana Policy Project,.

POT LAWS ARE NO LAUGHING MATTER President Obama responded last week to the most popular question submitted by online voters – whether marijuana should be made legal in order to bring this huge underground industry into the legal economy – by treating it pretty much as a joke. But the time for jokes has passed. Our marijuana laws are killing people. The horrifying drug-war violence on our southern border continues to worsen: beheadings, daily killings that now number more than 6,000, and honest officials fearing for their lives. U.S. marijuana laws subsidize these murderous gangs. Some 60 to 70 percent of the profits that fuel the Mexican cartels come from marijuana. The chief of the U.S. Drug Enforcement Administration's Mexico and Central America Section recently told the New York Times that marijuana is the "king crop" for Mexican cartels, which have active operations in 230 U.S. cities. Like it or not, marijuana is a massive industry. Some 100 million Americans admit to government survey-takers that they've used it, with nearly 15 million acknowledging use in the past month. That's a huge market – more Americans smoking pot than will buy a new car or truck this year. U.S. policies are based on the fantasy that we can somehow make this industry go away, but prohibition hasn't stopped marijuana use. Indeed, federal statistics show a roughly 4,000 percent rise since the first national ban took effect in 1937. We've simply handed a virtual monopoly on production and distribution to criminals, including those brutal Mexican gangs. The solution is obvious. After all, there's a reason these gangs aren't smuggling wine grapes. Prohibition simply doesn't work – not in the 1930s and not now. End prohibition, and our marijuana industry could start to look like California's wine business: A responsible industry that adds to the state's prestige, tourism and tax coffers, rather than a source of violence and instability. Aaron Houston


Illegalsmile   April 1st, 2009 12:29 am ET

ScienceDaily (Mar. 31, 2009) —

Dale Deutsch, Ph.D., Professor ofBiochemistry and Cell Biology at Stony Brook University and colleaguesdiscovered a new molecular mechanism for the processing of endocannabinoids,brain compounds similar to THC, the active ingredient in marijuana, andessential in physiological processes such as pain, appetite, and memory. Reported online this week in the Proceedings of the National Academy ofSciences (PNAS), the finding could pave the way for new medicines for pain,addiction, appetite control and other disorders. Dr. Deutsch and colleagues in the Departments of Biochemistry and CellBiology (Martin Kaczocha) and Neurobiology and Behavior (Sherrye Glaser,Ph.D.) are the first to successfully identify two known fatty acid bindingproteins (FABPs) that carry the endocannabinoid anandamide (AEA), aneurotransmitter, from the cell membrane to interior of the cell where it isdestroyed. This identification enabled the research team to inhibit FABPs invarious laboratory experiments and thereby reduce AEA breakdown insidecells. In their study, “Identification of intracellular carriers for theendocannabinoid anandamide,” the researchers report that they decreased thebreakdown of AEA in some instances by approximately 50 percent. “Inhibiting FABPs could potentially raise the levels of AEA in the brain’ssynapses,” says Dr. Deutsch. “Naturally occurring AEA levels have been shownto curb pain without the negative side effects, such as motor coordinationproblems, from molecules like THC. Therefore, it makes sense to target AEAfor therapeutic purposes.” He emphasizes that their groundbreaking discovery of the role of FABPs intransporting this class of neurotransmitters may prove to be a crucial stepin developing novel drug targets for endocannabinoids by way of inhibitingFABPs. In support of the research, The State University of New York (SUNY)Stony Brook Office of Technology Licensing and Industry Relations (OTLIR)has filed U.S. Patent applications comprising the discovery. The OTLIR manages all intellectual property matters for the SUNY ResearchFoundation. In actively marketing this unlicensed technology created by Dr.Deutsch, the Stony Brook OTLIR welcomes commercial entities interested inpartnering with the University. The licensing agent for the project is AdamDeRosa of the OTLIR. The breakdown of AEA requires two factors. First, there needs to be amechanism for transporting AEA to the location where it is inactivatedbecause AEA is a fatty compound and thus unable to move inside the waterycellular environment. Second, the cell must express an enzyme called FAAH,which controls the breakdown and inactivation of AEA. In the laboratory, theresearchers coaxed a nonneuronal cell type (COS-7) to express FAAH. TheseFAAH-expressing COS-7 cells were able to break down AED efficiently,indicating that the intracellular AEA transport mechanism was alreadypresent and operation in these cells. The researchers identified thesecarriers as two separate FABPs. Dr. Deutsch believes that because a transporter for the AEA class ofneurotrasmitters had never been discovered until the Stony Brook findings,continued research may explain many unanswered questions about AEA. Futureresearch may uncover more knowledge about AEA transport, as well as theentire role these neurotransmitters play in pain, inflammation, appetitecontrol, addiction, and perhaps other physiological processes related tomany human disorders.

The research was funded by the National Institute on Drug Abuse, part of theNational Institutes of Health. Adapted from materials provided by Stony Brook University Medical Center,via Newswise. Stony Brook University Medical Center (2009, March 31). Discovery OfMechanism That Processes 'THC' Type Brain Compound May Lead To New MedicinesFor Pain, Addiction. ScienceDaily. Retrieved March 31, 2009


Illegalsmile   April 1st, 2009 12:35 am ET

13 states have marijuana laws and more are following suit. It is only a matter of time before the feds can't ignore that the US voters demand the legalization of marijuana. We have overcome the false information. We have won. Itrs over.


Illegalsmile   April 1st, 2009 12:42 am ET

Smoked Cannabis May Help Hep-C Treatment
Sources: Sylvestre, Diana L. a b; Clements, Barry J. b; Malibu, Yvonne b. “Cannabis
use improves retention and virological outcomes in patients treated for hepatitis
C.” European Journal of Gastroenterology & Hepatology. 18(10):1057-1063,
October 2006.
Research published by the European Journal of Gastroenterology and Hepatology
conducted at the University of California, San Francisco medical school and the
Organization to Achieve Solutions in Substance-Abuse (OASIS) conclude that: "modest
cannabis use may offer symptomatic and virological benefit to some patients undergoing
HCV treatment by helping them maintain adherence to the challenging medication
regimen." Bottomline, Hep-C patients who used cannabis in combination with their
conventional medical treatment were three times more likely to have an undetectable
virus level six months after the end of treatment.
Patients with hepatitis C virus (HCV), whose drug regimens include interferon and ribavirin
treatments that produce notoriously difficult to manage side effects, researchers discovered that
those using cannabis as an adjunct therapy were much more likely to adhere to their prescribed
treatment. Researchers found that the HCV patients "were significantly more likely to remain
on HCV treatment for at least 80% of the projected treatment duration, 95% versus 67%."
In a companion article by six addiction treatment specialists, who consider the implications
raised by this research, the authors note that "there is substantial evidence that cannabis use
may help address key challenges faced by drug users in HCV treatment (e.g., nausea,
depression), especially when such treatment occurs in the context of methadone maintenance
treatment which may amplify these consequences." They conclude with a call to action on
behalf of patients: "we advocate that in the interim existing barriers to cannabis use are
removed for drug users undergoing HCV treatment…."


Illegalsmile   April 1st, 2009 12:43 am ET

THC Is Effective in Appetite and Weight Loss in Severe Lung Disease
Source: Lecture by K-C Bergmann on 17 March 2005 at the Meeting of the
German Society of Pulmonology in Berlin
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Patients with the severe lung disease (COPD, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease) often
suffer from appetite loss and cachexia (weight loss) resulting in reduced general wellbeing
and early mortality. In an open clinical study at the Clinic for Allergies and Asthma
in Bad Lippspringe, Germany, 18 COPD patients aged 49 to 81 years with a mean body
weight of 48.5 kg received 3.3-4.2mg of THC two times daily for 16 days as oily drops
delivered by THC Pharm, one-half an hour before breakfast and dinner. In the six months
before entering the clinic 7 participants had a constant body weight and 11 lost 2.3 kg on
average.
After 16 days of treatment, results indicated a considerable improvement of appetite,
general well-being and functional performance (36 per cent mean increase in walking
distance) and an average gain in body weight of 1.5 kg, which is significant given the
short treatment period.


Illegalsmile   April 1st, 2009 12:43 am ET

Cannabinoids Reduce the Progression of Alzheimer's Disease in Animals
Sources: Ramirez BG, et al. “Prevention of Alzheimer's disease pathology by
cannabinoids: neuroprotection mediated by blockade of microglial activation.”
Journal of Neuroscience 2005;25(8):1904-13;
Research by scientists of Madrid's Complutense University and the Cajal Institute
published in the Journal of Neuroscience has demonstrated that cannabinoids can reduce
pathological processes associated with Alzheimer's disease. Researchers hope that
cannabinoids may be used to develop new drug therapies against the disease.
They began by comparing the brain tissue of patients who died from Alzheimer's disease
against the brain tissue of healthy people who had died at a similar age. The researchers
found a dramatically reduced functioning of cannabinoid receptors in diseased brain
tissue and markers of microglia activation. Microglia activate the brain's immune response
and are found near the plaque deposits associated with Alzheimer's disease. When active,
microglia cause inflammation. Nerve cells with cannabinoid-1 receptors (CB1), present in
high numbers in control subjects, were greatly reduced in areas of microglial activation.
Next, rats were injected with amyloid-beta peptide. This protein plays an important role in
Alzheimer's disease, since increased brain levels of amyloid-beta are supposed to result in
aggregation of this protein to form plaques. Animals who also received different
cannabinoids performed better in tests of their mental functioning.
Analyses showed that cannabinoids had prevented microglial activation and thus had
reduced inflammation. These effects were also mediated by cannabinoids that only bind
to CB2 receptors. Researchers concluded: "Our results indicate that cannabinoid
receptors are important in the pathology of AD and that cannabinoids succeed in
preventing the neurodegenerative process occurring in the disease."


Illegalsmile   April 1st, 2009 12:44 am ET

Derivatives of Cannabis May Unlock Anti-Cancer Treatment
Source: Kogan, N.M., Blaquez, C., Gallily, R., Guzman, M., and Mechoulam, R.
“Quinone Type Cannabinoids as AntiCancer Compunds.” Abstract, IACM 3rd
Conference on Cannabinoids in Medicine, September 9-10, 2005, Leiden
Researchers at the Hebrew University in Israel have demonstrated that derivatives of the
cannabis plant can be effective in arresting cancerous growths in laboratory and animal
tests. Natalya Kogan, a Ph.D student working under the direction of Professors Raphael
Mechoulam and Michael Schlesinger, has developed new compounds- known as
quinonoid cannabinoids – that parallel a group of anti-cancer drugs, the best known
which is daunomycin. However, whereas daunomycin is toxic to the heart the quinonoid
compounds are significantly less toxic. The development of quinonoid compounds that
display anticancer activity, but are less toxic is a major therapeutic goal.
Researchers are particularly interested in the cannabinoid quinone known as HU-331,
which was very effective against human cancer cell lines in-vitro and also against in-vivo
tumor grafts in nude mice. At 35 days after cancer cell injection, the tumors in the
treated group were half the size of the tumors in the control group. Researchers
conclude that HU-331 has a high potential as a new anti-cancer drug.


Illegalsmile   April 1st, 2009 12:45 am ET

Cannabinoids May Promote the Development of New Brain Cells
Sources: Jiang W, Zhang Y, Xiao L, Van Cleemput J, Ji SP, Bai G, Zhang X.
“Cannabinoids promote embryonic and adult hippocampus neurogenesis and
produce anxiolytic- and antidepressant-like effects.” Journal of Clinical
Investigation. October, 2005
According to animal research at the University of Saskatchewan, Canada, cannabinoids
that bind to the CB1 receptor promote the development of new nerve cells in the
hippocampus, a brain region that is very important for memory and behavior. This
cannabinoid effect may decrease anxiety and depression.
Scientists used the synthetic cannabinoid HU210 that acts similar to THC on CB1
receptors in the brain. Chronic, but not acute treatment with this cannabinoid promoted
nerve cell proliferation in the hippocampus of adult rats and exerted anxiolytic- and
antidepressant-like effects.
Other illegal and legal drugs, including opiates, alcohol, nicotine and cocaine, have been
shown to suppress the formation of new brain cells when used chronically, but the effect
of cannabis on that process was uncertain. Cannabis appears "to be the only illicit drug
whose capacity to produce increased ... neurons is positively correlated with its (antianxiety)
and anti-depressant-like effects," Dr. Xia Zhang and his colleagues wrote in an
article for the November issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation, of which an
advance was posted online on 13 October 2005.


Illegalsmile   April 1st, 2009 12:47 am ET

Other illegal and legal drugs, including opiates, alcohol, nicotine and cocaine, have been shown to suppress the formation of new brain cells when used chronically, but the effect of cannabis on that process was uncertain. Cannabis appears "to be the only illicit drug whose capacity to produce increased ... neurons is positively correlated with its (antianxiety)
and anti-depressant-like effects," Dr. Xia Zhang and his colleagues wrote in an article for the November issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation, of which an advance was posted online on 13 October 2005.


Illegalsmile   April 1st, 2009 12:48 am ET

Other illegal and legal drugs, including opiates, alcohol, nicotine and cocaine, have been shown to suppress the formation of new brain cells when used chronically, but the effect of cannabis on that process was uncertain. Cannabis appears "to be the only illicit drug whose capacity to produce increased ... neurons is positively correlated with its (antianxiety)and anti-depressant-like effects," Dr. Xia Zhang and his colleagues wrote in an article for the November issue of the Journal of Clinical Investigation, of which an advance was posted online on 13 October 2005.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   April 1st, 2009 4:23 am ET

The Only website you guys should be checking out is

Foundationsrecoverynetwork.com


James In Kamiah, Idaho   April 1st, 2009 4:30 am ET

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 31st, 2009 1:27 pm ET

The intelligent and informed reader will learn the definitions and structures of fale arguements, and after applying them here realize that that is all the pro pot commentor has to go on…

Here is a list of common arguement fallacies to aid oyu in your quest for real and genuine objective truth…

From The Structure of Arguement by Annette T. Rottenberg Pg’s 222-231

1. Hasty Generalization
2. Faulty Use of Authority
3. Post hoc or Doubtful Cause
4. False Analogy
5. Ad Hominem
6. False Dilemma
7. Slippery Slope
8. Begging the Question
9. Straw Man
10. Two Wrongs Make a Right
11. Non Sequitor
12. Ad Populum
13. Appeal to Tradition
14. Faulty Emotional Appeals

A sincere study of the arguements and data Illegalsmiel and others here have presented wil show anyone with an objective mind who reads this that every arguemetn these people has mad has contained most, if not all, of these common arguement fallacies, otherwise known as lies and “stretching the truth”.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   April 1st, 2009 4:32 am ET

An don, what you have regurgitated, as well as what Illegalsmile has regurgitated along with Helene and Linda have regurgitated are anecdotes and data.

Facts are objective... to give you an example...

The officer who pulled over moates was working off of adata based MO, not a fact based MO.


don   April 1st, 2009 1:54 pm ET

NEW BILLION-DOLLAR CROP
Popular Mechanics

February, 1938

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Note: There was so little public attention and notice to the need for a ban on marijuana, or the resulting legislation (Marihuana Tax Act of 1937), that the editors apparently did not realize that it had already been outlawed when they published this article.

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AMERICAN farmers are promised a new cash crop with an annual value of several hundred million dollars, all because a machine has been invented which solves a problem more than 6,000 years old. It is hemp, a crop that will not compete with other American products.

Instead, it will displace imports of raw material and manufactured products produced by underpaid coolie and peasant labor and it will provide thousands of jobs for American workers throughout the land.

The machine which makes this possible is designed for removing the fiber-bearing cortex from the rest of the stalk, making hemp fiber available for use without a prohibitive amount of human labor. Hemp is the standard fiber of the world. It has great tensile strength and durability. It is used to produce more than 5,000 textile products, ranging from rope to fine laces, and the woody "hurds" remaining after the fiber has been removed contain more than seventy-seven per cent cellulose, and can be used to produce more than 25,000 products, ranging from dynamite to Cellophane.

Machines now in service in Texas, Illinois, Minnesota and other states are producing fiber at a manufacturing cost of half a cent a pound, and are finding a profitable market for the rest of the stalk. Machine operators are making a good profit in competition with coolie-produced foreign fiber while paying farmers fifteen dollars a ton for hemp as it comes from the field.

From the farmers' point of view, hemp is an easy crop to grow and will yield from three to six tons per acre on any land that will grow corn, wheat, or oats. It has a short growing season, so that it can be planted after other crops are in. It can be grown in any state of the union. The long roots penetrate and break the soil to leave it in perfect condition for the next year's crop. The dense shock of leaves, eight to twelve feet above the ground, chokes out weeds. Two successive crops are enough to reclaim land that has been abandoned because of Canadian thistles or quack grass.

Under old methods, hemp was cut and allowed to lie in the fields for weeks until it "retted" enough so the fibers could be pulled off by hand. Retting is simply rotting as a result of dew, rain and bacterial action. Machines were developed to separate the fibers mechanically after retting was complete, but the cost was high, the loss of fiber great, and the quality of fiber comparatively low.

With the new machine, known as a decorticator, hemp is cut with a slightly modified grain binder. It is delivered to the machine where an automatic chain conveyor feeds it to the breaking arms at the rate of two or three tons per hour. The hurds are broken into fine pieces which drop into the hopper, from where they are delivered by blower to a baler or to truck or freight car for loose shipment. The fiber comes from the other end of the machine, ready for baling.

From this point on almost anything can happen. The raw fiber can be used to produce strong twine or rope, woven into burlap, used for carpet warp or linoleum backing or it may be bleached and refined, with resinous by-products of high commercial value. It can, in fact, be used to replace the foreign fibers which now flood our markets.

Thousands of tons of hemp hurds are used every year by one large powder company for the manufacture of dynamite and TNT. A large paper company, which has been paying more than a million dollars a year in duties on foreign-made cigarette papers, now is manufacturing these papers from American hemp grown in Minnesota. A new factory in Illinois is producing fine bond papers from hemp. The natural materials in hemp make it an economical source of pulp for any grade of paper manufactured, and the high percentage of alpha cellulose promises an unlimited supply of raw material for the thousands of cellulose products our chemists have developed.

It is generally believed that all linen is produced from flax. Actually, the majority comes from hemp–authorities estimate that more than half of our imported linen fabrics are manufactured from hemp fiber. Another misconception is that burlap is made from hemp. Actually, its source is usually jute, and practically all of the burlap we use is woven by laborers in India who receive only four cents a day. Binder twine is usually made from sisal which comes from Yucatan and East Africa.

All of these products, now imported, can be produced from home- grown hemp. Fish nets, bow strings, canvas, strong rope, overalls, damask tablecloths, fine linen garments, towels, bed linen and thousands of other everyday items can be grown on American farms.

Our imports of foreign fabrics and fibers average about $200,000,000 per year; in raw fibers alone we imported over $50,000,000 in the first six months of 1937. All of this income can be made available for Americans.

The paper industry offers even greater possibilities. As an industry it amounts to over $1,000,000,000 a year, and of that eighty per cent is imported. But hemp will produce every grade of paper, and government figures estimate that 10,000 acres devoted to hemp will produce as much paper as 40,000 acres of average pulp land.

One obstacle in the onward march of hemp is the reluctance of farmers to try new crops. The problem is complicated by the need for proper equipment a reasonable distance from the farm. The machine cannot be operated profitably unless there is enough acreage within driving range and farmers cannot find a profitable market unless there is machinery to handle the crop. Another obstacle is that the blossom of the female hemp plant contains marijuana, a narcotic, and it is impossible to grow hemp without producing the blossom. Federal regulations now being drawn up require registration of hemp growers, and tentative proposals for preventing narcotic production are rather stringent.

However, the connection of hemp as a crop and marijuana seems to be exaggerated. The drug is usually produced from wild hemp or locoweed which can be found on vacant lots and along railroad tracks in every state. If federal regulations can be drawn to protect the public without preventing the legitimate culture of hemp, this new crop can add immeasurably to American agriculture and industry.

"Popular Mechanics Magazine" can furnish the name and address of the maker of, or dealer in, any article described in its pages. If you wish this information, write to the Bureau of Information, enclosing a stamped, self-addressed envelope.


don   April 1st, 2009 1:55 pm ET

The Smithsonian's Suppression of Facts About Cannabis Hemp
It should be noted that, even though 50-80% of all their displayed
fibers for paper and cloth from their "Life in America: 1780s to the
1800s" exhibit and "American Maritime Exhibit, 1492-1850" were made of
hemp, the Smithsonian Institution has removed all mention of cannabis
hemp as it was used in paper, textiles, ropes, and sails, referring to
it only as "other fibers" while cotton, wool, flax, sisal, jute, Manila
hemp, etc. are specifically mentioned. Cotton was less than 1% of all
fibers prior to 1800. Hemp was about 80% of all fibers. Museum curator
Arkadero's response when questioned on this topic was that, "Children
don't need to know about hemp anymore, it confuses them," and the
director of the Smithsonian said that even though hemp was the primary
fiber, "We are not a fiber museum." He did not mention how they had
determined that children do need to know about the minor fiber crops in
American history. Were children's innocent questions about hemp and
marijuana making the Smithsonian tour guides uncomfortable? And in a
June 20, 1989, letter, Institution secretary Robert McCormic Adams
wrote that, "We do not see a cataloging of fibers in early America as
part of our task," in presenting these exhibits. "At times this focus
does lead curators to mention fabrics such as linen, wool or others."
He returned copies of this book and the U.S. government's own 1942 promarijuana
film, Hemp for Victory to us, apparently without reviewing
any of the information.


don   April 1st, 2009 2:19 pm ET

MARIJUANA is DANGEROUS. Pot is NOT harmful to the human body or mind. Marijuana does NOT pose a threat to the general public. Marijuana is very much a danger to the oil companies, alcohol, tobacco industries and a large number of chemical corporations. Various big businesses, with plenty of dollars and influence, have suppressed the truth from the people.


don   April 1st, 2009 3:36 pm ET

Ford recognized the utility of the hemp plant. He constructed a car of resin stiffened hemp fiber, and even ran the car on ethanol made from hemp. Ford knew that hemp could produce vast economic resources if widely cultivated.

he hit the cap with an axe showing how it is stronger than steel yet much lighter would save fule econmony...

i guess he was thinking the wrong thing?... hahah

making a car from a feild of plants that is amazing...now we have hummers and cars made from stuf and produce stuff that will be on this earth forever....unlike a car that would eventually biodegrade...yeah reall funny obama


James In Kamiah, Idaho   April 1st, 2009 6:08 pm ET

James In Kamiah, Idaho April 1st, 2009 4:30 am ET

James In Kamiah, Idaho March 31st, 2009 1:27 pm ET

The intelligent and informed reader will learn the definitions and structures of fale arguements, and after applying them here realize that that is all the pro pot commentor has to go on…

Here is a list of common arguement fallacies to aid oyu in your quest for real and genuine objective truth…

From The Structure of Arguement by Annette T. Rottenberg Pg’s 222-231

1. Hasty Generalization
2. Faulty Use of Authority
3. Post hoc or Doubtful Cause
4. False Analogy
5. Ad Hominem
6. False Dilemma
7. Slippery Slope
8. Begging the Question
9. Straw Man
10. Two Wrongs Make a Right
11. Non Sequitor
12. Ad Populum
13. Appeal to Tradition
14. Faulty Emotional Appeals

A sincere study of the arguements and data Illegalsmiel and others here have presented wil show anyone with an objective mind who reads this that every arguemetn these people has mad has contained most, if not all, of these common arguement fallacies, otherwise known as lies and “stretching the truth”.


Illegalsmile   April 1st, 2009 11:49 pm ET

WEDNESDAY, April 1 (HealthDay News) -