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February 27, 2009

Tonight on LKL: The 8 Debate

Posted: 11:37 AM ET

What to do with Nadya Suleman and all those kids?  We've got a great panel to debate the questions that have no easy answers.  artdrphillklcnnShould she be allowed to keep them?  And if so, who's going to help?  Doesn't sound like it will be the grandmother.

Dr. Phil guest hosts what will be a great, spirited debate on the story everyone's still talking about.  And remember, Dr. Phil just had a highly publicized interview himself with Suleman.  To see clips from that interview, CLICK HERE!

Look for a "Question of the Day" later, but for now, post your comments here and we'll be looking at them throughout the day.

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hope   February 27th, 2009 1:49 pm ET

Get Joy Behar on this one and let HER interview Nadia. She can interrupt Nadia every three words and not let her finish a sentence.

On second thought, just put nadia up on the view and let them rip her to shreds.

THATS entertainment.


Deborah   February 27th, 2009 3:04 pm ET

I thank God the babies are alive : But this so called mother is: Selfish" irresponsible" and UNFIT.Harsh words but what else could explain her actions.
Totally uncaring not only for the future of her First 6 children she CANNOT afford ;theybut no regard for the future of her new 8: and Not an ounce of compassion for her parents.Think about theses grand parents are even loosing their home? can't fathom how they are expected to cope,and have coped. And how rude she is to her MOM.
I also wish to note with the coverage on the Packed little house " I did not see one bit of preparation for these new babies ( 3 suppose to be coming home in a week or so.
I would like to know how much it has cost the taxpayers so far ?.And how much is it going to cost to raise these children to 18 .
I think the Doctor who did the implant should be made to be finacially responsible in part anyways. Instead of an Ethics fine how about making him pay $$$$$$$ for the next 18 years.
My Opinion all these babies should be taken and adopted to loving families who can afford the time and expense .Give her visitation rights.
Lets face it NO_ONE could physically or financially afford to raise 14 chidren without 24 hour help of at least 2 / 3 employees.
This Mother is totally detached from reality..and has Been for quite sometime .The mental and physical well being of 14 children cannot be meant here by 1 mother. NO MOTHER IS BUILT /MADE THIS WAY. for this TYPE of Scenario .Lets face it even a litter of dogs this size cannot survive with 1 mother without intervention.


Deborah   February 27th, 2009 3:09 pm ET

My Shorten Comment:

Lets face it: even a litter of dogs this size cannot survive with 1 mother: without intervention.


Art Roberts   February 27th, 2009 4:13 pm ET

Sorry, but I can not do Dr. Phil and octo-mom. I'll be with Rachel Maddow tonight. Nothing against Larry.


BMA4107   February 27th, 2009 4:56 pm ET

Hundreds of men and women want a child but no matter what they do, they cannot get pregnant. It takes 3 to make a child: a Man, a Woman AND God. Temptation is there to step in and take the children away but I think we should give this woman the benefit of the doubt. Allow her to prove she can properly care for her children. If she cannot properly care for them, only then should they be removed. My husband and I have been foster parents and know that it's much easier for the family to heal when they really understand the problem. I do not think the Mother fully comprehends her limits. Of course, adults should be available to help care for the children and observe that the Mother is caring for them properly. They should not fall between the cracks. This is America. The Mother has not broken any law. I think the Mother was reaching out for help when she asked to have more children and no one cared enough to make sure she got the kind of help she needed. I think the doctor should share the financial responsibility for raising these eight children. He had knowledge of the children already in the home. Although the doctor did not break any law, I believe he acted for profit and bears financial responsibility to providel care for these children on a daily basis now that there are eight more babies. If she was married, we'd all be thrilled for the couple. Discrimination against others needs to stop – ALL kinds of discrimination. We need to find ways to empower her help herself in ways that are good for all the children and her. Anger with her is a wasted emotion. Let us all turn our frustration into positive power for all.


Ann Boggio   February 27th, 2009 5:36 pm ET

I'd like to ask Dr. Phil what might be behind any woman's obsession with having one baby after another. What is a normal need to have so many kids and what is abnormal? Would love to hear his theories. Do these women feel "empty?"


JIM CARROLL INTERNET FREE PRESS   February 27th, 2009 6:08 pm ET

MORE TROOPS TO AFGHANISTAN

Mr. President, if you had caught Osama bin Laden yesterday, would you be sending 17,000 more troops to Afghanistan? It may not be the most important thing in the world to catch bin Laden. There is more than one kind of warfare. Osama used USA planes to take down the World Trade Center. Pretty smart if you look at it from a point of view that everything is fair in war. But is bin Laden being much smarter now by sucking the USA into a black hole in Afghanistan? Generals are somewhat like football players: they know how to run the same plays that they learn in high school and nothing more. If my street finder can direct my car to any location, and if you can find a cell phone in a jungle, and with all of our satellites, technology, our missile systems, our bombers and our Navy—why should we ever go on a war mission that we can’t get back home in time for dinner with the family? Mr. President, don’t get bogged down in Afghanistan like President Johnson did in Vietnam and miss a great opportunity to make America a great place for everyone. Anyway you would be more likely to find Osama in Saudi Arabia than in Afghanistan or Pakistan.


Maureen Malecha   February 27th, 2009 6:53 pm ET

What is the finanacial responsibility of the "bio dad", now that he has been foolish enough to step forward. Since their arrangement was "private" I would guess it is not governed by any normal donor laws? and would make him liable for support of the children?


ellyn sinnickson   February 27th, 2009 7:14 pm ET

Re: Dr. Phil's comments about Nadia Suleman.
I think Nadia is a narcissist. You are enabling her by asking for donations. I don't think she has the ability to understand motherhood. If you do care for the children then you should rethink helping her to continue her reckless behavior.


Ed - Sidney, OH   February 27th, 2009 7:18 pm ET

Just heard Nadya turned down the offer for "Angels in waiting" because it would not be allowed (in contract, sanitary reasons) if Nadya was to be on a "Reality show" I guess we know what Nadya's PLAN$$$$$$$$$$ ARE! What a surprise! Reminds me of the "Dionne Quintuplets" in the 30's and what a mess that turned out to be.


Mary Ann Gentry   February 27th, 2009 7:55 pm ET

It's amazing to see the air time that Nadya Suleman is getting. I suspect that this just feeds her need. I say we forget about Nadya as it's safe to assume she's completely off her rock. The one that should be getting all the press is the doctor that performed this invitro and allowed this to happen. He's the one that should be tar'd and feather'd. Mary Ann From Bear Valley, California


Amanda Roche   February 27th, 2009 8:19 pm ET

I saw Dr. Phil’s program. It was not my intention to see it. It just happened that the programs I was watching ended and Dr. Phil’s program began. I was doing work in my computer, so I did not bother to change the channel. I don’t watch Dr. Phil’s programs because I don’t consider him a real professional. It is impossible for me to think of Dr. Phil as a real helping professional, despite his degree or title. Many people graduate with a PhD in psychology or as Dr. of Philosophy, but the degree does not make every person a psychologist. For instance, when he interviewed Ms. Sullivan, he did it with a great deal of anger, insecurity, and a great deal of criticism. We must not forget that in critiquing Ms. Sullivan in such a brutal way, he is inviting people to hate her even more. Okay, he says at the end that people wants to help Ms. Sullivan can do so by making a small donation in dollars. But that is so insincere it is difficult for anyone to believe that after bashing a person, you then want to lick that person’s wounds. If Ms. Sullivan has emotional problems, let us help her. I agree that she showed poor judgment when she decided to have many implants for her pregnancy, but what we can do now is to help her financially and ensure she does not get pregnant again. I do believe that she will not get pregnant again. I am aghast at how many people want to take those 8 infants away from her. Let’s face it. If the government or other agencies decide to take those children away from her, the great disservice will be to those children. Foster Care is the worst thing that can happen to children. It should be avoided at all costs. Regardless of her mistake or psychological problems, she loves her children. The public has condemned her already, sent her to the fires of Hell, and back again. She has become fair game. Don’t you think we are society of cruel people? We want to punish her, but is that the answer?
If Ms. Sullivan had gotten pregnant after intercourse with another man, and she happened to get 8 embryos, we would not be attacking her. We would be feeling sorry for her, and we would be doing everything to help her. Pamper companies would be endorsing her and other baby companies. We would have been sympathetic to her. Dr. Phil assassinated her character on television, and at the end of the program he asked for people to donate money to help her. Is he for real? I am a psychologist, and if I had a program as another Dr. Phil, I would want to understand Ms. Sullivan better, get to know her as a person before I get her in my program and tear her apart. I would then act mercifully, I would ask people to help her with donations, because despite her judgment, she loves her children. Give the woman a chance. Everyone is already judging her without knowing her well. People are looking at all the negatives, and in the process, have failed to see the positives. Give the woman a chance, and for God’s sake do not take her children away. Get all the help you can get from others. Appeal to people companionate side, not their beastly instincts. We are in a deep recession, and many people are already scared and angry. Don’t let people displace that anger on Ms. Sullivan. I can see she is a loving mother, despite her shortcomings. Oaky, she made a mistake. Let pass that, and instead, let’s begin to help her. I would not have done what her mother did. Her mother told reporter how she intentionally got pregnant with so many children. Look at the root of the problem with her parents. Despite the fact that Ms. Sullivan is an only child, I have a feeling she grew up lonely and feeling alone. She wants love, and she wanted a big family of children that would love her unconditionally in good and in bad times. We must look beyond Ms. Sullivan, and get to know her parents even more than we know Ms. Sullivan or believe to know Ms. Sullivan. I am sure you will get some answers to Ms. Sullivan’s voids.


Ken   February 27th, 2009 8:25 pm ET

Dr. Phil and soft pedal it, twist it, make it sound nice, but he bottom line the woman is insane.


Penny Wilson   February 27th, 2009 8:28 pm ET

Personally, I think that Dr. Phil is rewarding bad behavior, I think that the real question everyone wanted to ask was "How did you get the money for the implants? the Manicure? Did u have Plastic surgery? and if so where did that money come from? Cause that right there is going to tell me your character? To spend money on those things instead of paying rent ? Knowing u and ur kids may soon be without a home. Hello? And she wants to know why we are MAD! And now to turn down Angles in Waiting that would be the best interest for these children, and Dr Phill has the nerve to ask us to Help Her! NO! Take those kids away! No one in their right mind has kids, knowing very well that they have no way of supporting them. I call that Abuse! Sorry but it is. Its screaming neglect. She just told Radar online that she is planing now on what needs to be done in order to bring these children home? Little Late, don't ya think. And yes the father should have to pay support regardless of any contract – not after donating sperm to a women with 6 kids already. And Dr. Phill finds her to be a loving and nurturing mother? After one interview? She doesn't even care that her mother is losing her home – she lied to Dateline about paying rent. Are you for real! Dr Phill you pay for her you got the money! How dare you ask the American people who are struggling right now to help this women. Take the kids Away! Then we'll help, but I unlike Dr Phil, I refuse to reward bad behavior, that is one of the very wrong things with this society in the first place we're always helping out the wrong people. Lastly, let me just say that most likely this women will end up getting a free ride – isn't that the American way, while hard working responsible people are homeless, jobless, and hungry, she will be taken care of. Ahhh, Nice, well lets see, I'm a single mom, was laid off, I cannot get food stamps unless i give up my car and my life insurance policy ( which is in place for the protection of my kids) yet, I cant get help with food cause I am unwilling to give up assets I worked so Hard for in the first place. The The Department of Revenue would rather see me lose everything before they help me, and so I can what? become what? A burden on society? I would be even willing to pay back my food stamps even though my taxpayer dollars for the last 20 yrs of my working life (more then that I started work at 12 and I am 37) went to pay for these services in the first place -oh...sorry.... maybe that money really went to pay for my corporate jet and luxury vacation. But enough about me, the Country is in Crisis and he wants us to help and understand her. She will get a free ride. I'm sure. That's how off track the good ole USA has become. While the rest of us work to pay for those who don't. 10 years shes been living off us already. Instead of helping the ones who are on the brink of losing everything (so that they dont) we wait till they do before our services that mind you we pay for to kick in. God Help Us!


Robert Fletcher   February 27th, 2009 8:35 pm ET

My question for Dr. Phil;

Would you condon Child Protective Services stepping in to protect these children by placing them with loving families that could better provide and protect these precious children?

Nadya obviously had a distorted sense of reality and these children will bear the brunt of her actions unless the are protected.

It is obvious she doesn't get it and your comments at the end of your 2nd show about her was a nice attempt to spin the perception of her as a caring, knowledgable person – however, most of us really knew those were your words, not hers.

Bob Fletcher
Pleasanton, CA


Amanda Roche   February 27th, 2009 8:51 pm ET

An additional comment:

I believe Ms. Sullivan wanted a big family of children that would love her, because I believe she is hungry for love. I have a feeling that the six children she already has have been a burden to her parents and I can understand why. I believe Ms. Sullivan wanted more children for the following reasons: 1) She would be surrounding by other human beings that would love her; 2) she would get the attention she very much craves to get, even if the attention is negative; 3) living with her parents must be difficult, since she needs her own space and her parents need their own space. Consciously she wanted more children. Unconsciously, she wanted attention and people to help her monetarily to achieve her goal of independence, while surrounded by children she can love and get love in return. Let these observations sink into your consciousness and u nconsciousness. I'm sure you will be able to take a closer look, and it will be with a merciful scalpo.


Sara   February 27th, 2009 9:05 pm ET

Your defense for why "WE" should support these children is just insane to me. I live in California, where the unemployment rate is now 10%, and I know PLENTY of irresponsible women like her who decided to have children THEY COULD NOT AFFORD. So are you saying I should go out and volunteer my time and give my money to those women as well? Is she different because she got the media attention? Should all irresponsible women go this route? Have a bunch of kids and make their media rounds? Answer EACH QUESTION PLEASE!!


Janice Wambold   February 27th, 2009 9:07 pm ET

Why didn't Nadya have tohave a psychological evaluation or screening of some type prior to her IVF's. I had the gastric bypass 4 years ago and the evaluation I needed to have the surgery approved was very detailed. They said they needed to make sure I was in the right frame of mind for this type of surgery. Shouldn't a person who is having IVF have to be in the right frame of mind to become a paren? I also know that a thorough check is done on both prospective parents for any type of adoption or foster parenting. There is a serious problem here and Nadya has shed some light on this point.


Loranne Parker   February 27th, 2009 9:10 pm ET

I think Dr. Phil should pony up the money to take care of her, obviously the economic down turn is not effecting him. So since he knows everything, why not extend his money time and knowledge to this woman. The rest of us Americans are trying to make ends meet and we were not stupid enough to bring this kind of nightmare on ourselves...BUT IF I DO I WILL GO ON EVERY TELEVISION STATION AND GET MONEY FOR MY DUMB MISTAKE.


Cathy   February 27th, 2009 9:11 pm ET

I want to know how a doctor could possibly let this woman have this done, when she showed no visable means of support for her children that she already had? Why would we allow this woman live off the government for 6 children much less 14. People of sound minds and commonsense know that having a big family is a very expensive thing to do. I would have loved to have had more children, but knew i couldn't afford them. I did the right thing.


joe   February 27th, 2009 9:12 pm ET

you people are sick. Of all the things to be mad about in the world.. You pick this? How much is this going us taxpayer's each? 1/2 of a cent ?

Leave her alone!.


Elaine   February 27th, 2009 9:14 pm ET

I have lost all respect for Dr. Phil. Will not be watching his show anymore. This woman is using the system. Using him and any media she can. If she really cared about the best interest of her children, WHY did she turn down Angels in Waiting? That would have helped her toward her goal of finishing school , writing a book and whatever else she "says" she wants to do to take care of her children.

She wants the publicity. That's it. Shame on her.
Shame on Dr. Phil for encouraging irresponsible/unstable women to do this kind of thing. How many more will follow her lead? Dr Phil will feel sorry for them and help.


Mark   February 27th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

It seems obvious this woman had these children just for the attention and money. I hope the state takes away all 14 of her children before she gets the chance to cash in.


Julie   February 27th, 2009 9:15 pm ET

STOP it wlith this women. It's about the CHILDREN

If she accepts a realty show, i will not only not watch it, i will protest any advertisements supporting her show. She did NOT accept the free, professional help from the Angels group. She is a con. I think she did not want to accept it because they wouldn't pay to have her nail done.


sugaray1   February 27th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

I think every one should leave the octomom alone,because while she
was giving birth a man across the country was killing his whole
Family of seven."THE LORD GIVETH AND THE LORD TAKETH"


Janice Wambold   February 27th, 2009 9:16 pm ET

My next comment is this. I lost 6 due to infertility problems and decided with my new husband to try adoption and we went through the entire process only to be told after qualifing as good potential parents that everything had to be put on hold because we got caught up in the mortgage crisis and just lost our home to foreclosure and we have filed bankruptcy. The agency we are working with said it woud or could be detrimental to the young person we are looking for to have to go through a move into a new home once they were placed with us. My feeling is that as long as they knew that they would be with us what difference does it make where they live. As long as two loving parents are there with them and they can help pick out their new room, decor and other things involved with a move what's the problem?? Nadya is bringing 8 new lives (+ the 6 others) into a situation where she has no job, no means to support them and no proper place to live. I just don't get it.


Jackie   February 27th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

I am outraged that your organization(Angels In Waiting) would offer up FREE support for these children while they will be in the custody of Nadya Suleman.

This woman is playing the system, and the public. She was expecting all this attention. She knew having all those babies would bring her attention from across the world. She knew she could not afford to take care of these children, and that she could play the sympathy card to the public, in hopes of people coming forward to give her a handout. And that is exactly what your organization is doing for her, giving her a handout and feeding into her plan of getting it all for free. It's outrageous.

Take a look at her web site asking for donations of money and baby items. Did she not have a clue as to what she would need to care for all these children? Of course she knew, and it's very clear what her motives are. Send money and free items to care for my children.

And now her mothers home is in forclousure, and she needs a bigger home. How will she pay for a bigger home when unemployed? Another silent plea to the public, take a look at my home, it's dirty and we don't have enough room for all of the children. Some one will come forward and give us a house. Again, she is expecting someone to come forward and supply her and her 14 children with a free home.

These children need to be taken away from this selfish woman, and put into loving and financially secure homes. Maybe then, I would support your actions in helping these babies which are the innocents. Until these children are taken away from Nadya Suleman I and the outraged public ask that she doesn't receive any FREE help if the children are in her custody, because again that is just giving this woman what she wants. And it only reinforces to her that being irresponsible pays off, and pays off big.

So please, don't give her free help while the children are in her custody. By all means help the children if they are taken into state custody.

Jackie Schneider


Kelly   February 27th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

Nadya intended all along for America to pay for her housing.

Why is it today, 1 mos after the birth does she still not have this issue resolved? Because she is waiting for OTHERS to fix this problem.

This alone speaks to her mental state – as most mothers spend the time 'while pregnant' prepping things, finishing jobs, changing houses/renovating, etc. They do NOT wait until the newborn arrives.

Nadya knew she was having 7 kids, unless she has the mental capacity as a child she should have been organized while pregnant to line up housing, nursing, etc.
I'd be interested to know what Kate Gosselin did to prep for her 6.

Nadya knew she'd get help ONCE the babies arrived & there were pictures & media. Nadya knew allll alone others would foot the bill.

It is physically & emotionally impossible for ANY woman on her own to raise 6 kids alone with 8 pre-mature babies. These children should be put up for adoption into loving stable well-established homes with couples desperate to have a child or two.

Nadya won't be raising these kids even if they are under the same roof as her, it is physically impossible. Her other 6 will not get their emotional needs met. I am making these assumptions based on ANY woman. But this is a manipulative woman who put her own needs first and intends for America to pay for those needs.

I feel sorry for her other kids and Lord help her mother (grandmother) if a heartattack from all this stress occurs.

I just hope these babies survivie their health challenges and are raised in loving homes.


Samantha   February 27th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

Why hasn't the department of human resources gotten involved considering the admitted lack of income and the great amount of children?


joanne osinkowski ontario canada   February 27th, 2009 9:18 pm ET

Why did the mother of these babies refuse the help she was offered today??


Kimberly Leffler   February 27th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

Who was the doctor who implanted these babies in her, and what (if he has them) are his consequences?


Kim   February 27th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

My problem is with her constant lying. If she would just be truthful I would feel better.


Emily Callaghan   February 27th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

The poor kids should be taken away from her. She OBVIOUSLY is not a mentally stable person. How is she going to pay for leasing a new house without a job?


Martin Raft   February 27th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

Two qestions;
1. How will she pay her hospital bill?
2. How will she pay for the upkeep of these babies?


Patricia Dykes   February 27th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

I'm tired of everyone attacking this woman for bring life into this world.
People weren't this outraged when that woman/man was pregnat. People act like this is the first time someone has had 14 kids! Back in the day people had large families all the time. This is what is wrong with America.


easton   February 27th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

the babies should be the priority. they should be well cared for. she should not profit from this unstable choice.


Laurie from Northville, Michigan   February 27th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

Listen, in all seriousness, please pass this along to the family/mother: I am sitting here in Michigan with no job. I have experience taking care of children and I am a licensed masters level psychologist. I would LOVE to help this lady raise those kids. Please pass along my email to her representitives. I am serious! Thanks Dr. Phil


James   February 27th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

Is Victor Munoz a public relations agent?


greg   February 27th, 2009 9:19 pm ET

This is the most disgusting, revolting, irritating, crazy situation and the Nadya is a sick woman begging for attention and now she will cost the government hundreds of thousands to raise.

Pathetic......


k berven   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

My gosh! A single mom with 14 kids, a grandmother over 23 thousand dollars behind on a mortgage. What else can there be???? No job and needing round the clock help....thank goodness I don't live in California! I would be upset to have to help pay for this mess! And after listening to her talk to her mother.....she needs help right away!


lisa jackson   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

all she wants is her 15 minutes of fame. she should be ashamed of herself. and who suffers except the children..


Dianne -- Los Angeles   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

so much to say .... we keep hearing that Nadia does not have a job. How in the world could a woman, on her own, keep a job and raise 14 children. How is she able to afford rent on a 5 bedroom home. I don't get it.


cindy   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

why didn't he ask her straight out about her plastic surgery, why doesn't he ask her, are you going to pay the tax payers of California the $5 million these babies have cost? Many of us here in Calif don't have health insurance.
She's on welfare and she's getting her nails done instead of buying a crib!
She doesn't deserve these precious kids.
She's got a new spin to her story,

Dr Phil shame on you, this woman is scamming you too. The best interest of the children is adoption


Momodou(uk)   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

Reading the story at first I was astonished but viewing interviews of Nadya she looks more than capable and Im happy for her and her mother in my eyes is unfair you go girl!


Judy   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

Lease a house with what money? Whose going to want to lease their house after seeing footage of what hers looks like right now? I need a house, where do I get a spokesperson?


Erma Mae Perkins   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

It is my opinion that if Nadya really loves these babies, she will place most of them for adoption. They deserve far more love, energy and attention than a single mother of 14 can possibly provide.


Phil Garner   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

How did an unemployed woman afford plastic surgery and at least five IVF treatments at $15,000 a pop? Is it a coincidence that she stopped making mortgage payments the same time as her last treatments?


Holly   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

I would not have nearly as much criticism if she would quit getting her nails done and start paying her bills. I'd rather my husband and I buy groceries for our own children than for hers.


Samantha   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

I feel tlike she is looking for a "bailout." Is this what the common working class should do??


Janet   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

I just want to see her get mental help as she tries to take care of all her children. It is just so sad but my prayers are with her.


Brian   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

I think a single women with six kids already and wants more is insane, period! Just another welfare gaffer plane and simple! Not rocket science why tax payers are peeved!


Natalie   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

How in the name of Samuel H. Hill did she afford 6 rounds of infertility treatment?


Jayne   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

i have one question... how will this woman pay to lease a new house when she has no money, no job and her mother is in debt???????

How can she be so positive when there is no money to support the children including the 6 she already has


Donna Barham   February 27th, 2009 9:20 pm ET

Everyone wants to know how she can afford the kids, I want to know how she could afford the surgery to have any kid. I have friends who spend thousands of dollars trying to have one child, who paid for hers.


Scott   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

The Octomom has successfully created a 24/7 reality TV show about herself. Thanks for providing another episode for her.


Krista   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Clearly CLEARLY, this woman is going to need some form of public support. Having four children, and knowing the cost of raising four children Nadya had to know this. Any parent knows the financial responsibilites of raising a child. We have one, and we have to budget carefully to maintain a happy, healthy family. How does she feel entitled to the help this task requires?


Dave Morse   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

I think Nadya should give the children up for adoption.....there is no way she will be able to take care of that many period!! Put them into homes of loving caring financially stable families or those who long for children, but for some reason cannot adopt or otherwise have their own...Nadya has more than enough on her plate now!!


Brennan   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

This woman was very irresponsible! However, the babies are here and they did not ask to be born as did her other 6 children. Sure I think that the mom is a joke, but the babies still need to be taken care of.


Karla Clark   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

I think everyone should leave this woman alone. Who are we to judge her?! In the interviews I've seen she appears to be a very solemn, patient person that loves children! I do worry about the children not having a father in their lives, but we should be praying for them and their future, not chastising her. Everyone has circumstances in their lives. Worry about your own.


Ellen   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Her turning down help.....it proves she is in it for the money.

Here is the article:

Octomom Nadya Suleman has said no thanks to attorney Gloria Allred's offer to help her take care of all 14 of her children.

Allred and the charity Angels in Waiting announced last week they wanted to provide 24/7 medical care, physical therapy, occupational therapy and a home for the octomom and her brood of 14.

Allred said volunteers and medical personnel would care for the babies morning, noon and night in eight-hour shifts ... but gave Suleman a deadline of midnight yesterday to accept the deal. Obviously - she has not.

Allred and Linda Conforti, the nurse who the founded Angels in Waiting, had several a long conversations with Nadya on the phone and arranged a meeting to discuss the offer - and Nadya never showed. They say Nadya was more interested in "capitalizing on her family" and getting a reality show than she was with getting care for the newborns and her other children. When Allred and Angels in Waiting refused to help get her a TV deal, they say Suleman stopped communicating with them.

Allred says she's already filed a complaint with the Department of Child and Family Services and she plans on following up.


heidi from long beach, ca   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Yes, it was a horrible decision by her AND her doctor to implant the embryos, and she obviously has lost touch with reality. However, the children did not ask to be born and deserve a fair shot a life. I would personally love to see her get a book or movie deal, because then she wouldn't be burden on California taxpayers, and the kids would be taken care of.


Roberta Jordan   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

A question I have not heard addressed- How did Nadya pay for the IVF procedures?

I understand this can be quite expensive.


Lisa Erla   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

This woman is clearly menatlly ill/unstable and selfish.
She wants the money, fame, etc. It is all about her.
She should never be allowed to have these children. Adopt them out. Let her try to care for the 6 she already has.
The Doctor should be held liable too. What a sick story this is. How sick has society become that this pregnancy was iniated in the first place.


Camille   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Totally irresponsible......period.


Drew   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Sounds like Nadya Suleman is struggling financially – how did she afford all the plastic surgery?


Sheila   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

If people are not interested in the best for the babies,by helping and
sending donations. They should butt out and get a life. Everyone makes choices that are not always right, but to attack a person mental
state without proof of problems in the pass is outright insane.

America has enough problems, without messing up the life of this
young lady,by always being in the media.

Are we the problem?


Ellen   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

I believe she realizes what is coming up in her life now. She will get help and assistance and be fine. She really will be a good mom.
I believe her own mother is a problem, though. She is controlling and not much help.


vicki gossett   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

gloria Alred said she refused her offer because she could not have camera present. this tells me , she's only thinking of the money, and not her kids.
I also, believe she was lying to most the questions on the dr. Phil show.


anhemi   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Sorry Dr. Phil, Nadya needs to recognize that she can't continue to manipulate situations for her own selfish reasons. She has totally taken advantage of her poor retired mother, disregarded the needs of her first six children and now the helpless new eight. This is more and more outrageous every time I see it. Her mother absolutely needs to say no to her and let her learn to take responsibility for her own actions.

I don't care how many publicists she takes on, they can't spin this in a positive way. Its criminal!


Tina Irvin   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

I was wondering where Nadya got the money to do the IVF in the first place. It's my understanding that it would have cost several thousand for each treatment????


buthayna   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

We are paying for child melasters at prisons. Why don't we pay for a child care giver (Nadya)? Lets think about that.


Tracy   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

This woman is living in a fantasy world. She seems to think she is going to be a super mom and go to school at the same time. She is dreaming. There is no way she is in any position to care for that many children when she has nothing! She is living off her mother. I think this lady is off her rocker. NO ONE in their right mind would do this knowing they can't care for them. I would love a house full of children but I am RESPONSIBLE and will not take on more than I can handle. The state needs to take away these children.


Lori   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Dr. Phil,

No To Nadya Period!!!

What part of "No" don't you understand?


Joan Klope   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

How is someone with no job and living on public assistance go about securing a larger home to house these babies? Where does first and last month's rent and a security deposit come from? How will all the baby supplies be financed? The nursing support? Transportation?


Sherry Tow   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Unfortunately, Nadya Suleman is living in a world of fantasy. Many of us believe she is incapable of raising 14 children and should give the octuplets up for adoption. Nadya's decision has not just impacted herself, her newborns and her mother, it ultimately will become the responsibility of our government to help her and that is wrong!


Dianne -- Los Angeles   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

This is my challenge to the residents of Los Angeles County ! If every single household donated $1.00 to the trust that has been set up, wouldn't that solve any financial issues for Nadia and her 14 children? Are we up to that game ?


Domenic Toronto   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Dr Phil
How much was she payed for that interview with you

Domenic


Geenius   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

It's very difficult to support a young lady that treats her mother like "dirt". She seems very disrespectful to a woman who has supported both her and her 6 children thus far. She's asking everyone for help while at the same time disrespecting the one who has been there for her.


jim   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

I recently had lap band surgery for weight loss and had to jump through some hoops to have the surgery. One of the hoops was a mental health professional. I am wondering why the doctor did not have the mother see a mental health proffessional before her procedure?


theresa   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Nadya should put the eight babies up for adoption and concentrate on her other six. She cares not a wit that she has no husband and having deprived the first set of children in this way, should let the octuplets have a family with a father and mother. What about the father too – why is he rarely mentioned by any broadcaster? He should be identified and made to contribute to all the children's upkeep.


Jan Tubergen   February 27th, 2009 9:21 pm ET

Having been an Ob Nurse for 35 years, I know how much care will be required for these babies. Two nurses for four babies each will not work. What has happened to our social services that they would allow these precious babies to go into a home that is so inadequate both in care and finances. Since we the people are going to support them, let loving couples adopt them and give them the kind of home they so deserve.


tracy   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I would be inclined to help financially even though I think she is not all there, but don't think I will unless I am guaranteed that the money will go to the children. How can anyway with 1 or 14 children get a manicure and go to Starbucks when your house in foreclosure (not to mention that she has not seemed to spend any money so far preparing for the babies arrivals).


debbie walker   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Hi Dr. Phil...

I'm just wondering if with all the interviews and your amazing one the other day – followed immediately with the LK show/new publicist...

Are you feeling at all manipulated??? It just seems to me – that all of a sudden – these 'guys' have all the answers that weren't there a mere few days ago...

Yes – we still need to look after the children (and I firmly believe WE ALL WILL BE)!!!


Jill Saunders   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I think that some sort of conservatorship is required before anyone will feel good about sending money in for support of the Suleman children. It is not a lack of compassion for the children, but doubt about Nadya's ability to make rational decisions on their behalf.

I would also worry about people popping up to 'volunteer' to act on her behalf. This is such a golden opportunity to get one's 'fifteen minutes of fame'. Even the media carefully measures their responses in the hopes of continuing their 'exclusive' coverage of this family.

Court-appointed conservatorship required before $$$$, I'm afraid.


Michael   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I can't understand why the doctor who performed this precedure is not on the wire for doing this. Nadya is a irresponsible individuals to have this done when she had six children... I hope public funds don't have raised those children. I believe she needs Dr Phils help !!!!


karlene   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I think all the anti abortionists should get to together and help care or volunteer to help Nadya care for the children. She didn't want to do away with the embryos, so instead had them all. This would be a great way to really show how much anti abortionists care about life!


Ana Carril-Grumberg   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I am are part of The NYWomen Leadership for Obama, and I am amazed at how mean people have been to Nadya, we all say we believe in God, but yet some people are questioning God's plans, these 8 beautiful babies, that God should be loved, and nurtured,
how do we know if one of these babies, one day will be a scientist that discovers the cure to a disease? or be the next President...
Nadya needs our support...


Patricia Dykes   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Instead of crusifing this woman we(America) should embrace her.
People are saying she shouldn't get state funded aasistance. isn't she an American. Illegals get asistance everyday in this country. What kind of Grand-Mother gets on TV and down her own daughter, I'm wondering if she got paid?


Allison Armstrong   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Clearly Nadya Suleman is mentally ill. Her children need to be put into foster care and she needs to get help otherwise her innocent children will continue to suffer because of her selfish actions.


Natalie   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Dr Phil, how about someone acting as a trustee for any account set up for the children. I would be more than happy to help provide food, clothing, even shelter. I'd prefer not to pay for another round of invitro.


Kay   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

The state of CA should step in and take all 14 children and put them into adoptive homes where they have a chance. There is no sanity at all to the situation that the children are returning "home" to. The parents of Nadya are not supportive and are obviously not prepared financially or physically to help care for them.


Sherri   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

God blessed her with these children for a reason. We should let her live her life .She will work out the problems that she will and has encountered with God's help and the the people who do God's work. Remember the Golden Rule .


Samantha   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I think this country, deep in recession, should be angry at the irresponsibility of this woman.


Mom in Georgia   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

There are so many good parents who want kids but can't have them....these 8 should be placed in wonderful homes where they will have a great life....this mom already has 6 she can't care for....in no way, shape or form should taxpayers pay for this....look at this economy....she isn't capable of caring for the kids, period, and it is ridiculous she had them in the first place.


Jo Eide   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

You can't destroy the embryos, which is crazy– so put the children up for adoption so the taxpayers don't have to be responsible for them. I am sure she thought she was going to make a "killing" having all of these children. It just proves she doesn't think!


Ben   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Without the help of her doctor she could not have brought all of these children into this world. The doctor should be required to pay child support payments. If he did doctors would think twice before acting irresponsibly.


Christina   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

With all the many really rich people out there, why can't someone, anyone, offer to help Nadya with all these children? It's the children we have to think about now!


Barbara Frady-Scranton   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I am so concerned about these children. I DO NOT believe Nadyea should be allowed to take these 8 children home. I am convinced that she is not mentally stable. I believe she was hoping to get a reality show for one thing. – she had no idea how much she would be hated for what she has done. I believe she would have more eggs implanted if she could. She has an obvious problem. These babies deserve the best and she is not the best choice.


Patty Jackson   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

If these children were in foster care taxpayers money pay those families also. Make every effort to keep the family intact.


Patricia Dumas   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Hey, she might have not made the greatest decision, but, would we go inspect everyone's home before we send babies home? Or is it only the poor and single mothers we decide to focus on?

Paint the walls, fix the plaster, etc.. what? Many children are brought into homes that are way less than perfect– but have all the care needed. With the glorification of famiies on TV like the Duggars, with 18, children, what do we expect? It's ok if the Duggars are religious?

This total house inspection thing is wild. Definately smacks of predjudice– whether you agree with Nadya or not.


Brian   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Children are a blessing. Reporters are not. Allow this family to raise their children to the best of their ability just like any other citizen of this country. Leave them alone and go back to reporting news.


Embecee   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Does Nadya Suleman have health insurance, and if not, who's paying the astronomical hospital bills for the delivery and care of her eight babies?


Tai Nguyen   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Why are we make a big deal of take care of her children . Why no one make a big deal of the whole USA children under welfare system. I am not talking a bout 14 children from this women.,I am talking about million children under my tax payer too. My complain is leave her a lone and help her just like other familly need help. Please
Sincerely your truly,
Tai


Ted   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I'm thankful that the babies are healthy and beautiful but why isn't the father of these babies paying for these babies or better yet the doctor who implanted them illegally. What about the donor? any info on him and his thoughts???


Amy   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

Wouldn't any woman who believes that an embryo is a human do the same thing?

And why is anyone debating the ethics of the doctor? The same people who are calling her and the doctor irresponsible are the ones who celebrate the Duggars, but the kibosh on stem cell research, and march on Washington to protest Roe v Wade.

Wake up, hypocrites!


Michelle   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

So who are we to judge her........its very clear that this woman has issues but who are we to say as society that she can't take care of 14 children when a Doctor allowed her to continue this destructive course. She doesn't seem to be a bad person she is human and made bad choices social agencies have allowed her to raise 6 let her take these children home and prove her self. I Say live and learn. its a little late to complain protect the children.


Janine   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

My heart and prayers go out to those innocent babies. They have been born to a selfish, unstable woman. How will she provide for them? How can she physically and emotionally care for 14 children? That is a task that is almost impossible for someone in a healthy relationship, where there are two parents available. Someone needs to step up to the plate and place those children with people who are prepared to care for them.


Gladys   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

I am glad that we are getting past the obvious issues and focusing on the health of these babies. I am really concerned for their safety. Any mother who has children experiences times of frustration, but Suleman will have 14 children to deal with. that is too many children for one mother to handle.

I hope she is able to get all of the support from nurses that she will need to take care of those children.

If you check into the story, you will see that the doctor fooled that woman and told her that she will be famous when she has 8 babies.


sue   February 27th, 2009 9:22 pm ET

all the children that were born to this lady should be taken out of the home and placed in a foster home until she has theraphy and hopefully able to go to school to get her degree. this is a very sad situation and should not be sooooooooooo televised at it is.


lebibe   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

There are so many women of all ages in this world who would love to take care of these children free of charge, these women would even pay to be given a chance to be a "rented mother" so to speak. Put an ad and recruit them for Heavens sake! Why is everyone making this as if it is an
unsolvable situation? Go to the solution already people!!


Jayne Kieffer   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

I think this woman can have as many childen as she wants as long as she supports them herself. I don't think she should be given federal/state money to raise these children. Raising these children should be on her dime. If there are people out there who want to help her, god bless them. She shouldn't expect anything from anybody. This was her decision. Frankly, I think she's wrong to have that many children and I think she has psychological problems (many). I'm a taxpayer and I'm already bailing out the banks, Wall Street, the people who bought homes they couldn't afford. I don't really want to hear about the care and cost these babies are going to require. I'd like help from the government, state/federal, and any others out there who want to help me replenish my retirement that was stolen from me from these pathetic people.


Emijo   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

The one thing that everyone seems to be ignoring is the overpopulation of humans on this planet and the devastating effects of this on the environment. How selfish Nadya is, not only to have more kids than she can possibly care for, but also to not even consider the amount of resources required to support even one human life. I'm sorry, but this woman is incredibly disgusting, in so many ways.


liz crane   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

I don't agree with Nayda's decision to have any more children, however, the children are here and I believe we need to help the children. It seems to me that the children were meant to be born since the odds of her bringing 8 children into this world were against all odds – maybe this is divine intervention. God Bless her and her children.


Pranav Nawani   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

If this is not to be encouraged than it has to be stopped. She should loose right to eight kids. It can been seen as felony as she had six kids and decided to go for another eight without proper resources. Its just like writing a check with no money in bank. And the way she talked to her mother she certainly have no right for these kids. Its unfair to six kids whose share will now be divided for 14..its unfair to her parents no matter what her parents being kind enough will support her. And she has no action plan for life. If these kids remain with her it will encourage another woman across the country to take similar step more over it will be legitimizing such act. I see this as a felony against 6 kids, parents.


susan armstrong   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Has everyone let go of common sense in excusing her egregious behavior? She has made some senseless decisions that affect children and unfortunately, taxpayers. She has no clue that many of us limit our families because we realize limitations in time and money. Yet, she has all these children independent of ways to support and care for them. I am beginning to think that the media frenzy about her nullifies the disgusting aspect of this and the issue of responsibility. She wants some kind of approval from the public. Maybe we should just ignore her and let her figure out a way to survive. Let the State take the kids.


greg   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

This just gets worse. Now we have Gloria Allred. She lives for this kind of attention.


Just me   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

This 5 and dime agent should not confuse strong with "nutso". And who is going to pay the rent on the new digs, not to mention everything else these children will need.


Debbie Kaleores   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Who paid for Nadya's prenatal care?
Who is paying for the hospitalization of the babies?
How will she pay for 8 carsets for the babies?
How will she pay for the baby formula for the babies?


marie davis   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Dr. Phil,
In watching your conversation with Nadya Suleman on Oprah, I was struck by her constant , compulsive nodding in agreement during your questions to her. She strikes me as a woman totally out of touch with who she is; what she thinks; incapable of understanding the consequences of her decisions. She will agree with whatever is stated and then, retreat to her own reality.
md


Julie Serna   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

The babies should not go home with Nadia. She is not physically or mentally able to handle them. They should all be put in foster care until she gets her life in order and then give them back to her one at time.

She has a heart but is not in touch with reality.


Rhonda   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

The excuses offered for her decision and made on her behalf makes me want to scream. If this had been a black woman you all would have been ripping into her and concerned about your taxes taking care of her and the size of of welfare benefits and her laziness.

This is one of the most money hungry and attention seeking females on the planet. Phil cannot throw enough money at her and the others on the show.

Unf uckingbelievable!


sam   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

This Octo-Mom wants to have a big fine house, nannies, a nice car and bus and the freedom to go and come as she pleases. That is why she did not want to accept the generous offer from Angels in Waiting. She would not have 100% control. She is a selfish women. If she had wanted all those children, she should have prepared for them or give them up to nice family that wanted them, tht way little cells would have been born.....Come on Dr Phil you and Oprah thrive on publicity-take care of them.

I feel for her Parents, My godnes they are too old to be thru that and all the crying . I think someone should give the mom a small two bederrom apt. quiet living where her daughter cannot move it...Somebody help the mom....I would if I could, but not that daughter.


aliou   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Dr. Phil,

I love your show, but I think it's time people leave this woman alone. If I had the means to do what she did, I would have done it.

I am just sorry I was not smart enogh to do what she did.
While some people are at war killing, this lady is out making life possible. I love Nadia, and leave her alone.

There is an element of racism because her last name is not McBritain , Juliani, McIreland or Levinski.

I was disgusted by a woman with 18 children coming on TV to insult talk about her.


linda jean fischer   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Naydia needs a houe and a lot of helpf financially and emotionally. I don't beleive she is in reality, but those children exist. Let's get her what she needs and enough already.


Kelli from Tampa   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

I have heard nothing to make me think this woman has PTSD. She has a personality disorder, and she is doing A GREAT DISERVICE to those who REALLY do suffer from PTSD. (and do not get me started on what she is doing to those children!).


tamara   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Where did Nadya get the money to have the invetro done?? What happened to the job that she had and why haven't she found a new job for such a long time?? What will child services do about this?? Can they do something at all to make her do something??


Peggy   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Book deals, reality show, new house. Does she have to pay the state of California back for their costs before she profits from any of this


T. in South Florida   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Obviously, she had these kids to make money. Everyone knows it. Why are you playing games with this woman. She spent over 100K to pay for fertility drugs and treatments but no mortgage payment in over 10 months. No job. No home of her own. I feel sorry for her mother. She's the one who is providing the primary care for these kids, and it's sickning to hear the way she talks to her mother. The six she had were living like animals, but she had money for a publicity agent????? Maybe with all this publicity, she'll get what she was after in the first place....PAID!


Ed   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Come on people!! Give her a break!!During early 1900s families were huge with lot less income/goverment help!!This "small family" trend came only w/ the industralization and woman rights movement


dawn   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

i they should have the dr. that did the invetroe pay for the nurses care on the babies when they get released, i think she is a good mother to her kids, lets give her a chance .


Pat   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

I have watched , Dr. Phil, your interviews with Ms. Suleman this week. I have compassion for this woman but have not heard you ask her how she is going to support these children. I have heard she has an inadequate home, no source of income but never asked exactly how she plans to support this family or what her source of income will be.


Steve Perzan -Philadelphia.,PA   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

I beleive that the Doctor is at fault in this matter - Nevertheless, why not let the help take of the 8 babies? Is there any difference between heling the mother of 8 then the mother of one , or two or three? We take care of people in jail - they are someone's children? And look what we have done to the nuclear family - we tell new parents - have only one or two children and then we send them off at 6 months to be carries in day care - where they are growing up with 15 other babies! What is the difference - at least these children will be with their mother!


maria   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

if a mother of one child would bring the baby to an unfit home would the state allow it?

so why are eight babies allowed?

how can she possible feed all these kids?
how did she get the money to have this procedure done in the first place. this is not inexpensive to do..........
this is not normal...............make those children safe. a day care isn't even allowed by law to have that many children with only one person caring for them...............this isn't right...............

take those babies and give them to someone who will love them and give them the childhood they deserve...........


Paul Kennedy   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

the government is helping the banks why not help this young lady...this project will be cheaper the bailing out the banks and loan institutions


Sarah   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Hi Dr. Phil. My mom took in three kids because their parents could not take of them. I think that if Ms. Sullivan is fit enough to take care of them she should be allowed to keep them, if not she should have to give them up at least temporarily until she can afford to take care of her children. Should we use tax payer money? We are already paying for people who are a lot wore then Ms. Sullivan and if we do use tax payer there should be limits as to what it goes to and long she has it, to make sure she gets a job. But overall if she can take care of her kids let her have them!


Lodessa   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

I think the conversation should be about the United States can do help Nadya move forward. It is obvious that Nadya need help!


Christine   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

I and other taxpayers don't want to pay another dime to support these children. We have done enough. She can't possibly given them the nurturing they will need for the next 18 years. These babies should be taken away and given up for adoption to people who can AFFORD to support them and give them all the love and nuturing they need.


glenn neale   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Dear Dr. Phil:

Why can't the doctor who implanted theses embryos be sued for child support?


mari   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

I believe that the physician who performed the IVF should be responsible for paying the bills. It is unconscionable that he proceeded with this procedure, knowing that she was single mom with 6 children at home. Shame on You doc.


Sunday Rose   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Please Dr. Phil, address the Polyanna actions of Nadya's agent....Victor. He is just as much in denial as Nadya is!!


Tiffiney from Illinois   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Why is it that we need transparency over this. Her having 8 babies is not part of the Obama Recovery Package. This is a private matter that has been completely blown out of control. This has nothing to do with tax people's money, even if it did it would be a city and state level not at a federal level. Why can't people just mind their own business. I'm so tired of this whole story.


sue   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Is there a plan for nadya to be evaluated and checked by a mental specialist because all her actions clearly indicate she is not thinking normally and cannot make the right decisions. And the way she treated her mother was so pathetic and disrespectful. The lives of her children are at stake here and it's not the fault of the children nor the taxpayers. She needs to be ashamed and show that she's sorry and not the way she has been acting on tv.


marci   February 27th, 2009 9:23 pm ET

Dr Phil,

What are you thinking, have you lost your mind.

Why would we consider letting these children go home with this women when there are so many people that could adopt them?

This seems to solve the financial burden which you are asking the tax payers to assist with.

Not to mention the metal state of sending 8 children home with her. Even her own mother is questioning her mental state.

I am a long time supporter of you but your response on this is driving me crazy.

You may have lost a viewer over this one.

Best Regards,
Marci


Tracey   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I think that she should be aloud to take all her babies home! She is their mother! And I can't believe her mother when she she says that she is embarrassed of her.
my thoughts are with her & her babies!


Gwynn Irvin   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Shouldn't there be a trust set up to handle money that is sent to make sure it is spent appropriately for all the children? Any money shoud not be used for the mothers upkeep.


Cathy Ishmael   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I really feel sorry for the 14 innocent children that are caught in the middle of this tragic situation and would like to donate something to help, but what guarantee do I have that my money won't go towards her Mac cosemetics collection or her acrylic french manicure? I am still not convinced that she can prioritize her children's needs before her own selfish habits.


Jill - Miami   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I do not want my tax dollars spent on irresponsibility. She has the babies – she should be finacially responsible – not the public. Over population is a concern. Once again – responsibility is the key.


Carole   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

What is our world coming to? We have become a cold and callous people. Everybody has an opinion.Some people even want to kill her. There are enough people having children who are killing them. Can't we as humane people say, "let's get together and help her", or at least don't talk about her as if she were a dog. I was raised in a family of 14, and I feel guilty sometime when I hear about how people's parents treated them. We had a very loving family, because we were loved. We didn"t have a lot of things, but we had love. Anyway, we are always getting in someone's business, and not doing anything for anyone else, and getting angry about something that's not our business. Get a life, why don't you.

Carole
Atlanta


Janice Williams   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I think it's disgusting. I feel that this woman did all this deliberately for the sake of the attention and potential money-making possibilities it would bring to her personally, completely disregarding the effects this type of media exposure would have on her eight children, not to mention her other six kids.I think it's the height of irresponsibility, and I feel very, very bad for all her children.Outrageous, that she should have been allowed to proceed with this.


joan   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Your blonde commentator is saying put the best behind us the only thing that matters now is taking care of the children. Wrong wrong wrong. She was irresponsible and wants to dump on society instead of having and going to have a respnsible life with individual effort She is a bad example to the youth and young adults of America.


Louise Welch   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

If say if you cant say anything nice, then don't say anything at all. If you cant be supportive, then move on. I am for Nadya and her children, she is entitled to live her own life however she wants.....Her choice....I support her. I would be willing to help her.


Farha   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Why don't you mind your own business. I feel disgusted to see media talking about her privacy like that. Shame , shame, shame on you all....it is deeply shamefull. I prefer changing the channel!


kristen davis   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I am utterly speechless and so disappointed in Dr. Phil. Just when he needs to get tough with someone he backs off. This woman cannot take care of 14 kids alone and volunteers are only going to hang around so long. Who is paying for this house they are going to be leasing!!! Who is paying for anything! He didnt even ask!! This woman needs severe psychiactric help. Cannot figure out why he is defending her left and right. Unbelievable.


lovemytwinz   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Dr. Phil,
I do not believe during these rough economic times anyone should be asked to donate to this woman and her children. There are millions of children in this world that need help. How much did she pay for "all" of her invitro treatments. If she can afford "invitro" then she can find her own way to support her offspring. I work with pregnant and parenting teenages from low income families..... Can the country come together and help my clients. They did not pay to get pregnant... They also made a bad decision.... Their kids also need HELP!!!!!!


Millie   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I think the reason that she did not take the Angels in Waiting offer was that she would not be getting any money–and I truly think she is using the opportunity to make money for herself–she is not thinking of the children. Period.


Kim, NY   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I'm appalled that this woman was allowed to be impregnated with even ONE embryo. But I am more appalled that a DOCTOR was agreeable to this. Will this Dr. be held responsible, what about his license? I think this is the height of irresponsibility with both parties, but a professional really deserves to have his license taken away, and how did she pay for all these procedures if she isn't working? Medicaid? Just appalling.


rhonda   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I've noticed on several interviews with Nadya that she has her nails done.
A) I'm a school teacher and I can't afford to have my nails done every two weeks!
B) When does she find the time to get her nails done?


Cherri Hull   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I think the women is down right crazy. There was no reason on this earth for here to hve those children. She should NOT expect America to pay for these children through the tax system. She should give them ALL up for adoption. I'm tired of these women having babies out of wedlock. And, why are we still talking about this women. She is a disgrace.


Gina Hoyt, RN, MSN, CNS   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

As a neonatal intensive care nurse I wanted to clarify two inaccuracies: 1) When babies are ready for discharge, they are discharged-ready or not. Hospitals are not baby sitters. If the family is not ready, Child Protective Services is involved and the baby goes to foster care for the time being. 2) Babies are not sent home that require care from licensed nurses. She may need help with care but not from nurses.


Bee Jay-1979   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

The clinic should pay for the hospital bills. The children should be given to 8 families who will give them good homes and proper care. This woman is sick and can Not be a grown up and make proper decisions.


Tracy   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Why don't you all get off your high horses and wake up! There are millions of mothers across this country that can't even take care of one child or a couple more. Where are all the concerned people when it comes to those children? Just because its eight everyone suddenly perks up and trys to step in! Are we now a communist country where we can judge and say how many babies a woman can have like China? Get over it! The babies are here and now they need help! If people in this world would worry about themselves more and stop judging this country would be a better place for all!!!!


Samantha   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I think this woman has serious issues with attention-seeking behavior. It could become even dangerous if it continues- possibly directly affecting the children's health.


horselady   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Hi Dr. Phil.
Your spokesman stated that he was looking to move her into a new home by the weekend. Who is who is paying for this new home when they are 10 months back mortgage??
thanks


M Hill   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I am the grandmother of a micro-preemie (1.5lbs at birth). My kids (and his young sister) have had to make super human sacrifices in the care of this child. He is now 5 yrs old and thriving, but not without the continuous care and monitoring of OT, Physical and Speech therapists, developmental doctors and a host of other specialists. I fail to see how a single mother of 6 other young children can possibly provide the level of care needed to ensure these 8 tiny children have all the care and nurturing needed to guarantee they receive the necessary care. Preemies are faced with "life long" issues. The fact they are breathing and beginning to bottle feed, while encouraging is only a small milestone in a lifelong uphill battle. I wish her the best, but 2 nurses round the clock for 8 babies, doesn't begin to address their many needs.


Pamela S. Upstate NY   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

She should check with the Mormon community and see if they would take her and all of wonderful children in for awhile. This would assure that she and her babies will get off with a fighting chance , TOGETHER where they should be.


Nancy   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

I am a single mother of five (14-22) after chosing to divorce their father ten years ago. It is not easy but for me it was the right choice.

Those babies should be placed in foster homes or put up for adoption to families who are financially and mentally able to care for them. The woman is out of touch with reality.

Dr. Phil or the spokesman made a comment that she was reluctant to take help-OMG-she put up a website looking for donations!


Pat Gonzales   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

HI Doctor Phil

I live in Tracy Ca, I am a single grandmother and I am raising my grandson all by myself, I feel so sad over what this women has chosen to do. She will never be able to take care of all of these children. I have one, that alone cost me a lot of money to just care for him.

I do not ask for assistance even though I struggle daily raising one.

How is she ever going to do this? We the public will have to take care of her and her 14 children. WHY, would a doctor and a person act so irresponsible . This doctor should of asked her how she thought she was going to be able to afford even one more child. They both are the blame and both should be made accountable for there actions.

We the public cannot afford to care for anymore people . Shame on them both.

This doctor should be helping paying for them all.

I feel so sorry for these children.


Jonathan Wright   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

she deff has a problem and she needs to seek help. there is no was one woman can take care of 14 kids with NO! job. And having those kids knowing she doesnt have a job??? shat was she thinking?. she needs help.

Jonathan from PA


Mitchell Hyde   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Nadya should certainly give all of these 8 children up for adoption. She can not afford them, admits it was a mistake to become pregnant with them, and undoubtedly loves them. The greatest gift she could give these 8 gifts of God is 8 homes that would give 100% of thier time to each, and at the same time, remove all of the negative aura she self induced, and may become a hero from a terrible situation. She does not have the money for the support of these kids, and the taxpayer should not be responsible either. Let 8 families adopt each child as their own.


susan   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

These children should be placed in proper homes and so should hundreds of thousands of children who will grow up unloved, neglected,
and abused. Children who will wind up as dropouts, drug addicts, abusers and inmates. Unfortunately, this country believes in keeping children with parents, as if the act of conception makes them into owners of objects, to do with them what will.


Dave   February 27th, 2009 9:24 pm ET

Dr Phil,
Who is paying for the hospitalization? Who will pay for the upbringing? The nurses? it is ridiculous for all of us working people to have pay for all the bills for this welfare person. She could not waste an egg that was frozen? She is a very sick and selfish person.


MJ   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Dr. Phil: It is time for the media to move on. This constant attention is not good and endangering the welfare of this family. With no sponsors coming forward she will need help from people like you and the public. The babies are here now. Lets make the best of it and move on!


sharon   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Let's be real!! I know people with LESS children, and on assistance (which I don't agree with) so what makes everyone think this nut job won't accept assistance? The only reason she hasn't done so, so far is because the babies aren't home yet and because of people that hate her! But she most assuredly, will have to get assistance. My question is... why won't she accept help from volunteers? Does any of this sound like someone with "sound mind?"


Mary   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I live in Ontario Canada and we have healthcare for everyone.

Who is paying for the octuplets' stay in the hospital?

Should the doctor who did the IVF help pay some of her expenses?

How could she afford IVF with no money??


Irene   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I can't believe how mean people are being.Help for Nadya would cost far less than foster care.
Separating these children would be unconscionable.


Susan   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I think the Octomom should be watched very carefully so that she doesn't pull a Susan Smith, Andrea Yates, or Casey Anthony.


Donald Coons   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I think that the Doc. who first implanted 6 embryos to a single welfare Mom and then did it again a second time should be declared the happy father and instructed to pay child support for all 14. Why should that be a tax payer burden.
A person of that stature should be respossible.


Linda   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Can the welfare dept. require a DNA test in order to hold the father partially responsible for the financial support of the octuplets? (Regardless of any assurances Nadya may have given him to the contrary) It would seem that technology is running ahead of the law...


LOLA M SMITH   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

WHY ISN'T ANYONE SAYINGTHE TRUTH. SHE WANTS MONEY! SHE WANTS PUBLICITY AND MONEY NOT HELP


sam   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Larry,
Tonight you show is what it use to be, celeberties and interesting people. You show turned alot of us for awhile with all the political stuff. Don't have those Democrats on, they talk stupid when it comes to politics, have them on about other things. You show is the only one that has kept cnn a float anyway.


Shirmeen   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

How about giving her a reality show on TLC "14 and struggling"


alfonso ortiz   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Does the physician who was responsible for this pregnancy has any ethical responsability?


Lydia   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I think that these babies should be taken care of first. I don't believe giving the mother money is wise. She is collecting disability for three of her children. Nydia should be not given so much attention and instead, attention should be given to the children.

The woman is not "all there". Another thing I would like to know is this. She was on disability for several years (back problems right?). How was she able to collect disability for that when she allowed herself to be inpregnated multiple times and when pregnant, the back is affected. Please explain.


linda pattison   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Hi Just wondering where she go the $ to do IV 6 x.s?

Also while you were interviewing her, she said she had 6 embryos put in each time do they alway freeze ( 6 implanted 6 times )
Also she mentioned that all her pregnancies were perfect no problems. then she said she was bleeding and having pains during one of the pregnancy. I think she just says what you want to hear and I really think she has problem with reality


shammy from NC   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

It is so irresponsible to give birth to or think about giving birth to another Kid, let alone 8 kids, when you already have 6 kids.And over the top when you know you have no way of supporting all these little angels. If I can I'd put her behind bars for this crime against little ones.She is just looking for publicity and making money from generous people. Absolute pathetic on her part.
Sorry to say all this but I am so angry at her


Linda   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Everyone is so down on Nadya for choosing to have such a large family, but where are all the Prolife Activiist when we need them?


Paula   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

What was going on in the home for nine months to prepare for eight children? The birth was going to happen? Why didn't they have the accommodations readu to bring the babies home?


kiralina   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

i dont agree with her keeping babies in her current financial situation. what if she decides to have 8 more? I think the taxpayers should have a say as to what should happen.


shayshay   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Dr. Phil, will the mother take care of the children or will the nurse take care of the children. If the nurses and volunteers take care of the children, will the mother be able to party at night and sleep late because the tax payers are paying to have the children taken care.


Ben   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Nadia Suliman should be in Jail and the those prolife republican cronies should take care those babies. Let them put their money where there mouth is.
George Bush and company should see what they were tried to do.
Now the chicken came home to roost.
What happend to those church idiots, where are they.

Not a dime should we spend for those babies. Let the tearn the lesson.
Let Tom delay and his friends are not coming forth. What happening to Rep right winger.????????


tracy   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I would be inclined to help financially even though I think she is not all there, but don’t think I will unless I am guaranteed that the money will go to the children. How can anyone with even one child get a manicure and go to Starbucks when your house in foreclosure (not to mention that she has not seemed to spend any money so far preparing for the babies arrivals).


mary   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

this woman is crazy, she said to her mother "who are you to tell me what to do., I would have told her "I am the woman who is supporting you and the 6 children. Nadia speaks to her mother as if she was a dog,, shame on her....shame on the bad choices she made.


John Brickel   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I am completely apalled at how this person treats her own mother. From her comments, it is obvious to me that she expects everyone else to take care of the children while she attempts to cash in during this fifteen minutes of fame.

The citizens of California are currently footing the bill for her eight children. How long will the state and federal government continue to pay for people who have multiple children they can not afford? At what point is enough, enough?


Annette   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

This is the most pathetic thing I have ever watched on TV, and boy there have been many. This one takes the cake. She has no common sense and if those new babies are released from the hospital to her that will be a crime. She lives in LA LA Land and is not fit to take care of animals, let alone children.


Ellen   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I think Nadya know now what her responsibilities will be with all these children. People want to help her and she will get help taking care of her children. She will be a good mom. Her mother, though, is a problem. She seems controlling and unhelpful. Maybe she was that way bringing up Nadya and that's another issue.


Diana   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

It is a very sad day in America when people don't think of the eight inocent children that are here. Why is everyone so mad. Good job Dr. Phil. Sorry Nayda that not even your own MOTHER can be on your side. I hope this children do no grow up to see all the hatred against them and their mother.


c cotter   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

How can Mr. Munoz call her level-headed when she spent money on in-vitro while having 6 kids on welfare, having her parents in dire financial straits, and not consulting her parents before she did this? She told her mother she had a tumor for heaven's sake when she got pregnant with the octuplets. Please comment.


Sal   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

There is a mother with 14 children and we need to make sure that the children will be cared for properly. Not only do we need to be concerned about the 8 babies but also the 6 children at home. Dr. Phil, I hope that you can do something to help this young mother and her family.


AJ   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

During the interview with Anny Curry, Nadya mentioned that she was using her student loans to supplement her income while raising her first 6 kids. I wonder if the Bank that issued her these student loans can go after her for not using the funds for her education. I am angered that so many families are struggling to put food on their table, let alone pay for a college education- and Nadya is using this money for her family.


DOROTHY MURPHY   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I have one comment and one question. A question I have yet to see that has been raised by anyone. Has any one considered, that the Octoplet Mom is a candidate for Post Partum Depression? What is going to happen when the lights from the cameras are gone, and she is left to care for 14 children on her own.

My comment to the grandparents, You have helped your daughter and your grandchildren, but your most recent comments about being embarrassed when you see all 14 of your children in a bus is replusive at best. You must either "Put up or Shut Up", how dare you what do you think you are doing to your grandchilren with those types of comments?


Robert   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I am a Canadian that feels government should limit the population for all people as a lot of people want population control for developing countries however with out limits on our population this is unethical.

Also the environment and finance should be considered.


Rosanne   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

In my opinion, I think she needs psychiatric help. In addition to her 6 kids under age 7, and 3 have some disability, now 8 more, even with the most generous of any and all charity's, she and her family will be a financial strain on our society. Again in my opinion, she most likely will be found unable to care for all these children, they should (the 8) should be given up for adoption to whomever will be able to care and love each one, even if to different homes. Also, I must add, why in the world would Kiser-permanente pay for all of these IVF. CRAZY!!!!


shari abdalla   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I believe that a big part of why people are upset including me, is because she can in NO way, take of these children financially. She is already on welfare and lives at homewith her parents. She keeps saying she wants to work, but she is completely unrealistic at the cost of child care for 14 kids!! The cost of child care alone, for 14 children would be about 8,000-10,000$ a month. Also, who is paying for the millions of dollars of hospital bills that have already accrued? Who is paying for formula? That has to be another 8,ooo$ a month., not to mention diapers etc. WHo pays for all of the that? The tax payers do.


Lindy   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I think the media in particular should leave this woman alone. Why is it that she isn't supposedly fit to raise these 14 children and it is horrible to have so many (decades ago this wasn't so uncommon) and yet we have a reality tv show that follows a family with 17 kids! Are they too lacking time, love, etc with their parents? There is an old saying "it takes a whole village to raise a child" - maybe she does need help, what she doesn't need is all this hounding attention and harassment. Let her be and if you are so concerned, then offer some type of help.


shamia tillcock   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

I think she was just trying to do the right thing. I mean she was right when she and her mother had that show down about they will kill the eggs if you don't use them. But having that many implanted at once was a little crazy. Her motives were suppose to be good and pure ones but the public has gotten out of contorl. This isn't a big problem and many people are blowing this out of the water. More and more people are having multiply births. Also making death threats against her won't change the past. What done is done.


Cavelle Vancouver Canada   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Why pound on the women? Why the name calling? The deed is done. Reach out! If you want to complain, look at crime, war, poverty, racism, greed in America. Give her a break, you should no better Dr Phil. What good does it do hurting someone?


greg   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

Yeah, support her. Then you send your money and leave the rest of us alone.


ron zajicek   February 27th, 2009 9:25 pm ET

It seems that no one wants to be accountable for their everyday actions. There is a lack of responsibility with this woman and no one is going to change her! Nadya will never learn what it's like to raise her kids as there are potential moneymaking tactics that she will be taking advantge of. Only the future will will tell us how this plays out. My guess is this country rewads people who live like this!


Joanne Selby   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

I understand this mother refused the offer by Gloria Allred who is representing the Angel Network(not sure if this is the correct name) they offered 24/7 care with trained professionals at no cost to taxpayers. W hat was her reasoning????????


Ann Bell   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

I think this woman is so selfish. 14 children and yet she had plastic sugery and continues to have her nails done and she is on welfare!!!
God help those pitiful children. WHAT is she thinking?????


Samantha   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

This is the epitome of what is wrong with the family structure of America.


cindy moore   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

If we are to believe that God alone gives and takes life, then there is a reason ALL 8 of these babies are alive. Stop with all the hate towards the mom. Who knows what the future holds for these children? One could grow up to even be president! Would she have been villified if she had 8 abortions?I don't think so- in this country, she would have been lauded as"doing the right thing".


RockyRacoon   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

I think some sort of professional association should investigate Dr. Phil for the misogyny he displays and the unprofessional manner in which he treats people under duress. This women I beleive has all of her marbles and is handling this situation with more dignity and class than most of the self appointed guardian's of the status quo who are intruding into her life. Gloria Alred is an ambulance chaser looking to increase her own popularity and public profile. Get off the air, you busy body.


Ellen   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Regardless of how or why she had these children she clearly needs help – financial and psychological. I don't understand why people are making such a big deal about her receiving taxpayer dollars to raise these babies. I am more bothered by the bankers receiving bonuses paid for by taxpayer dollars than 8 babies being fed and nurtured.


anca stefanescu   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Nadya deserves to be respected and helped in raising the children. Everything else is a violation of her human rights and dignity and an attack to the well being of her family.


Patty Mann   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

As I am as outraged as the rest of the country is about this...I would much prefer to see our tax dollars go towards the well being of these 14 innocent children rather than see our tax dollars continue to support the outrageous, self indulgent behaviour of the CEO's of our banks and stock brokerages. Give me happy, healthy babies over self endulging adults anytime.


Nancy   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Did it ever occur to anyone that this is none of our business.....let social services take over and do whatever is necessary for the children. By making this a media circus we are putting the mother and kids in danger from lunatics out there.....Enough already....


Dee   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Anyone who gives this woman one hard earned dime of their money is a fool. She ponied up cash for cosmetic surgery and for fertlity treatments. These kids are NOT our problem. If the government needs to intervene and remove the children, then that is what will happen. Donate your time and money to families that through no fault of their own are having a tough time right now. Her parents should have stopped being enablers after kid #2. Please stop telling people that they have any type of responsibility to help this nut.


judy   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

at this time, with the economy being in the state that it is, it is inconceivable to think that a woman who already has six children would be allowed to have invitro for an additional eight children at the expense of the taxpayer!!!!!!!
a woman who has no money, no home of her own, and no income, does not need fourteen children, what she needs is a good psychiatrist!!!!!!


Kathleen Connors   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

This woman is obviously deluded. To throw money and resources at her to reinforce her delusion is insane. If she has no means to care for them then the state will have to take them and allow people with the love and resources to adopt them. The only negative affect will be to deflate her bizarre , swollen ego. A child who goes through its formative years with a dearth of time to bond with its parent could be severely damaged for life. Even wonder woman could not provide sufficient time for each of 14 kids!


sharon dehart   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

the government provides section 8 housing for every tom dick and harry that doesn't want to work and just keep on having babies, these octukids need a home, no matter what the mom has done or does, we need to help take care of them, she has every right to get a decent house for her family as anybody else the government is helping, foodstamps and all, at least she has went to school and worked. thats a lot more than some of these deadbeats that are on the gravy train in america!


Yvette Porter   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

I believe it is important that "we" know that the babies are ok, but isn't there a point when the media should stay out of it? I think it should be up to the people involved to ensure the mother gets the support she needs. Doesn't she have a right to some privacy???


Dolores   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

I would like to know how large a residence one needs to house 14 children and what this type of dwelling cost. More importantly, who is paying the rental? The gentlemen who is representing her stated "we are currently looking into a couple of properties" is he paying the rent or will that be up to the state? Her mother says it all when she asked her daughter "how are you going to feed them?" Your not even working. How can any responsible person bring more children into this world than they can afford to feed and take care of? You may think she's all there Dr Phil but I have my doubts.


Erin   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

(in Cape Coral, FL) Where has she gotten the money for plastic surgery (and to maintain those lips)?! If she's the kind, unselfish person Victor Munoz and others who say they know her claim she is, why didn't she use that money to help her mother out with the $23,000+ mortgage she owes? (On a side note, wouldn't most people who owe that much on a home have foreclosed by now? What makes her so special?)

Take the children away before damage–emotionally, nutritionally, educationally–is done.


Elissa   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

What is done is done. Whatever Nadyas' reasons were to have these babies, they are her own. None of anyones business.period.

Don't you all have enough to worry about in your own lives to be concerned about some stranger and what her problems and issues are.

I simply wish her the best of luck and hope that she gets as much help as she needs. These babies need love and security same as your children. put your money wre your mouths are, if you are so concerned for these babies, send diapers and food! enough already, go out , get a job and pay your own mortgages!


Cari   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Our perceptions of Nadya and her choices are OUR reality. Very little will be able to change our perceptions or beliefs; so people will condemn, judge, support, etc. depending on how they feel. Whether or not her decision was "right or wrong" is beside the point at this time. What REALLY matters is that there are 8 – EIGHT – beautiful babies that are ALL MIRACLES. In the end, those babies and the other 6 are what matter – let's put egos aside – and support them. This is a cse of a lot of talk, and very little action. Time to focus on the children – in a POSITIVE WAY.


Jackie   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

NO FREE HELP FOR NADYA!!!!!! Why should she cash in! She chose to do this for herself.

My husband ,child and I lost our home, due to job loss. Where is our bailout? I'm not out getting implanted with 8 babies, so I can cash in, and get a FREE HOME! FREE DIAPERS, FORMULA...ECT.....THIS IS AN OUTRAGE!!!!!! SHE DESERVES.NOTHING!

Jackie


mike   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

Dr.Phill
My dad has 8 kids we grew up happy. My mom worked as hard as my dad did taking care of us my dad used to make 60$ a month. Sometimes we need it some help around Christmas and the society was really supportive.


Chery   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

The physician who implanted all of the embryos, violated ethical standards to begin with. He should be held accountable in creating this delimma. He should have his liscense taken away, and be responsible to some extent in financial support for these children.


Joanne   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

How come the Doctor has not been called up for doing this. He must have been paid a bundle of $$$ (her Father) to perform this tragedy. The Doctor should have his license revoked or suspended.


greg   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

All 14 kids should be places with families that can raise them properly.


Debbie   February 27th, 2009 9:26 pm ET

I have to applaud Nadia for trying her best to make a very lonely and diffcult decision re: the remaining sperm under the intense pressure of the situation. She ultimately showed respect for the remaining embryos that were close to being destroyed, and courage in her willingness to face whatever may come from her decision. Whatever WE may think of her is totally unimportant.


Lynn   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Whatever happened to having only as many children as you can afford? We wanted more but could only afford two. I thinks she's smug and while denying she doesn't want publicity etc she is getting just what she wants, a new house for starters. It's clear from the pictures of the house, she can't control the ones she has now, house are not for kid to write on, and pull apart. My husband and I t think the state should take the octuplets and adopt them to responsible parents and keep an eye on the other six and take them if necessary. I think Nadya is selfish. . .from wanting to have so many children to spending money on invitro fertilization while collecting public aid.

If she gets her own TV, most people I know said they will not watch and give her more attention and support.

I remember the night the news broke, the first thing I said is she'll enjoy the spotlight now and when they're toddlers she won't think it's so much fun. That first night, her father emphatically said she is financial independent and can afford these children. Now there's a ticker on the screen stating her father says she needs help. I certainly hope they will make her get sterilized so she can't do any more damage.

If I lived in California I would be incensed that my tax dollars are going to be spent on this smug looney tune!


patricia fontenette   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Hi, I've been watching this story for awhile and its as if the media is trying to make more of this then it should be. Ten years ago, this same thing happened with a couple in Texas, where were the questions then? Was anyone in the media worried about if that family was using tax payers' money then? The answer is no. I feel this lady has been exploited enough, but this may be what she wanted anyway with the publicity and money that may follow.


Carol Gillis   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Hello – obviously it will take lots of money to support these 14 children. I do hope that sufficient private funds will be donated to relieve the burden on the tax payer. My question is will a trust be set up and monitored by someone a bit more responsible? Or will the mother have the freedom to spend at will as she has in the past...


Shirah Penn   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Thank you Dr. Phil for focussing on what to do about these 14 beautiful children whose mother needs a great deal of help. She definitely needs psychological counseling from the start. She needs long term therapy and parenting classes from my opinion. Besides all the financial help, she will need assistance from volunteers to devote time for all these children.

I spent many years as a single parent, after a divorce, taking care of two small children. It took me many years of counseling and therapy to understand how to take responsibility for my choices and decisions. I don't think Nadya has a clue!!!Love Gramma Shirah


Paul Stanley   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

I love what her "spokesperson" said, "Nadia knows what she wants and goes out and does it." Doe that meas we need to reward her selfishness? The babies need to be given to homes to people who can raise them. Nadia is not capable of taking care of them. She scream's that she's not a celerity, but she has no problem walking around with her Starbucks coffee. Its simple, she's playing the system and will come out on the winning end. She won't have to work, she'll get to live in a great house and have everything handed to her on a silver platter. Dr. Phil, I have lost all respect for you.


Birgit   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

what about letting a woman have 14 kids? what about women all over the world who have have had, 12, 13, 14 children that is a part of their culture -lets get over it!!!!!!!!!!!!!! why do we always have to control in America and judge, get over it. whatever about helping the babies in Angels in Waiting..............again everyone feels bullied. Let us use a European philosohy so we can get over being "incredible Americans" and be real human beings.


Kathy McIsaac   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

What I have no seen addressed is the fact that these 14 children will basicaly be raised in an institutional setting. Studies have long shown that all children – with and without disabilities – need and thrive in a secure and loving family setting. Unlike the Duggers who have added to their family over the course of 20-something years, Nadya has given birth to 14 youngters in less than 6 years and has created her own mini-institution. Dr. Phil, will these children suffer the same harmful effects of being raised in an institution? If not, why not?


Sara Parker   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Your defense for why we should support these children is just insane to me. I live in California, where the unemployment rate is now 10%, and I know PLENTY of irresponsible women like her who decided to have children THEY COULD NOT AFFORD. So are you saying I should go out and volunteer my time and give my money to those women as well? Is she different because she got the media attention? Should all irresponsible women go this route? Have a bunch of kids and make their media rounds? Answer EACH QUESTION PLEASE!!


SUSAN   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Little confused here......since when did any hospital obtain the authority and the right to instruct a parent or set of parents on what is required in order to release the newborn baby? Apparently, I have fallen asleep at the wheel during my 27 years of parenting as even as recent as 15 years ago, this procedure was not introduced to me after giving birth - either time. Granted, I did not give birth to 8 babies at one time, however, I wonder if the same practice was instilled upon "John & Kate Plus 8" and the McCaughy's.

Fact of the matter is, the media is continuing to keep this issue at the forefront and very 'negatively' at that. All those that have vented their anger out in vicious ways should look at themselves prior to judging anyone else.

Oh by the way,,,,,even ONE child can mark on walls - that is not considered as a messy house – come on people........


marilyn guthrie   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

The fourteen children are not going to be well cared for unless the
mother accepts help. Maybe this is a control issue for the mother.


Robert T Barnes   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

I have listened to this absurd document long enough,I feel that "Nadya Suleman" needs Psycological Help and Psyciatric Help.
There is no way she can take care of these childen,CPS should take them and find a good home for them,Nadya,is in no way shape or form to take care of these babies.

As someone who has spent many years in foster homes and Institutions,I really feel,Nadya,should give the children up.


Jawa   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

I do not think that Nadya's decision to have any more children was a good decision, but at the same time there are a lot of people in this country who can be deemed just as unfit if not more so than Nadya! I mean if her life has to be so transparent, as Dr. Phil keeps saying over and over agian, that the whole world has access, then why not the millions of other parents who live in poverty and who live with domestic voilence? Why just this one woman?? There are so many people who need help!!! I don't think it has anything to do with helping her and her children as much as exploiting them. Using them just to gain ratings and viewers and that is disgusting. And I do also believe that Nadya is using this to her advantage as well, which is even more disgusting.


Rebecca   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

The most frustrating part of this is she’s known for months & months she would need a bigger house and extra help. Her planning and decision skills tell me she's either not serious about the well being of her kids or not very bright...not sure which is worse. She does not appear to have any anxiety like a normal mother would around providing for these kids...she just depends on her parents. They say the sign of successful parents these days is to have self sufficient adult children...why didn't her parents cut her off after her first child was born to make her learn what it's like in the real world?


Karen   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

I believe that the children should be oversee by professionals not by the mother. I don't believe that this mom is capable in taking on all her children.
This mother would have been respect in society, if she have given her childrens to mother's who can't have children....
I really feel that this mother is looking out for her own interested NOT those children....She should have accepted the offer from the organization who would have given those children the professional care.....
Those children should be taken away from her until she is really stable to take care of these children. After all, our tax dollars are assisting her...


Kim, NY   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Dear Louise Welch:
You support her and believe she can live her life any way she wants?
Pull out your checkbook and start sending her money. She can't do it alone. Are all these kids going to be cared for medically with Medicaid?
She thinks she is going to go back to college for her degree and raise
all these kids? I wish her well, I really do, but something is seriously amiss about this girls character and her personality.
God Bless her and her children.


E. K.   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Nadya made a really uninformed mistake wanting to get pregnant, already having no money and six kids. Her doctors made an ethical mistake by performing the procedure. They should be held financially responsible for the care of the children. I have no doubt that regardless of these errors, the American people will step forward to make sure the kids are cared for one way or another even at USD 1.5 million a year! This is what the U.S. is all about (or should be).

Contrast that to my own situation, whereby the only mistake I made was starting a business in Phuket, Thailand two months before the tsunami and losing every penny I had (USD 700,000) as a result of the devastation and subsequent occurrences. There was American money to help the Thai survivors. When Katrina hit, there was American money to help the victims in the U.S. But there was no money to help an American who was wiped out and left destitute in Thailand. We need to change our policies so that Americans who are victims of a natural disaster are helped wherever they occur.


Cindy   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Tax dollars go toward keeping inmates like Casey Anthony, Scott Peterson, and Charles Manson in prison, but we are complaining about helping support these children. Shame on us!


Patrick   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

There is something self centered about this woman who at every opportunity catches a quick glimpse of cameras to see if they are focused on her. I believe that is the way she came into this situation, through a self centered perspective of how she might become a media "star". This started out, still is and will continue to be all about Nadya and not about the children as she has already proven her competance or lack there of, in that arena.


ron zajicek   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

Don't worry Nadya this country will bail you out!!!


Dell from Chicago   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

If at all possible, the State should step in and not allow her to take these children home. Just listening to her reasoning lets me know this woman is not all there. How does she plan to feed, diaper and house 8 babies with no job? Oh, yes, add 6 more.


Leah   February 27th, 2009 9:27 pm ET

If Nadya does not accept the help of Angels in Waiting, it is obvious she is just looking for a better offer. No one should give her a penny if she does not accept this generous offer that would obviously be in the best interest of her children.


Ed   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

This is rediculous...we have individuals/families that raise more than 10 children, this is not new and their lives are not an open book. Give it a break and let this family enjoy these early days.


Joyce Degnan   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Dr. Phil (sitting in for Larry),
This situation just makes my blood boil! I am a single mother of 5, my youngest daughter with special needs. I, too went through infertility to get pregnant and ended up with twins, and then one year later had another baby (the surprise, no infertility miracle)!! I wasn't single at the time, but I did most of the work myself, and there was a lot of work! What upsets me is this, Nadia already has six children, so she should be aware of what needs to be done. She's been pregnant with multiples, expecting only 7, but got 8! She should be prepared and she's not at all!!! That is a huge red flag telling everyone that she is NOT prepared for this!!! It will be a sin if those babies are sent home with her!! We all can see why she has done this. She expected a free home, a free bus, clothes, diapers, etc. all given to her for free and her own reality show!! This just isn't right and it is truly making me sick!! She might be a very nice sweet young woman, but she is NOT all there! It is our responsibility as human beings to step in and do what is right for these beautiful, helpless babies!


Krystle from minnesota   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

How much does it cost to keep embryos frozen?

I suppose i don't understand why she wouldn't want to provide somebody else the opportunity to become a parent.


Diann RATHEY   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

She's a young and beautiful woman. In anticipation of any future love/partnership– what is Nadya's birth control plan for the future?


Robin   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

I want to say that I can't believe how much air time this woman is getting. Yes, she needs help with all the children, yet this was her own choice . There are many single mothers in America that need housing and help as well.

I feel that this woman might even get a book deal, as she states that she wants to write a book.

I feel this woman is sane, and is taking America on a good ride.

It is just a shame the childen are involved .


Brenda Cunningham   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

I personally am in shock that Dr. Phil fell for this woman's line!
She is nothing but a woman who has watched too many John & Kate Plus 8 episodes & this is her sickening attempt at landing herself a windfall at the expense of her mother & all these unfortunate innocent children!
Nadia is a mentally ill woman who should not be allowed to have custody of any of those 14 children! She has no way to support them, her & the doctor that implanted those babies should both be arrested!
Those children should be placed up for adoption to loving families who CAN AFFORD to raise them!
Why is it that this woman sick & twisted woman should be getting ANY HELP FROM ANYONE? She couldn't take care of the first 6 kids & her mom can't either & shouldn't its not right & the state of California had better step up & put those kids up for adoption!
The people who are giving her money, diapers, food, etc should be hit upside the head! All they are doing is reinforcing her twisted idea of how to get FREE MONEY!
One really angry single mom of ONE child (because I knew what I could afford). This is wrong & she shouldn't be getting anything except an arrest warrant & papers from Child Protective Services forcing her to give up her parental rights! After the taxpayers finish paying for her college education maybe she should think about having kids!
This is absolutely flipping ridiculous!


anhemi   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Nadya and her publicist are not interested in Angels in Waiting because they want to continue to appeal for money and free housing from some gullible person. This is disgraceful!


marina   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

We need to stop judging, what’s done it’s done. We need to get together as a society and help this family.


Barbara Plante   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

I would like to see more coverage on the fertility clinic that she used. It's time to crack down on unscrupulous clinics!


Susan in Washington State   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

There are plenty of families out there that want to adopt children that have great jobs and do not have to rely on taxpayers. This should never have gone this far to begin with. Give them a chance at a good life. She should not be allowed to carry on this way. I would be disgusted if it was one of my three daughters doing this.


Ann Marie   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

I would love to know where someone gets the guts to make wildly irresponsible decisions at taxpayer expense, yet sit there on national tv with collagen-plumped lips and manicured nails? You know, sometimes I feel all the effort I put into an education and career were a waste - I didn't realize it was so easy to just leech off other people.


vera smith   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Is America prepared to finance these children until 18, why not get them out of the media's face and let her face what single moms otherwise are struggling for. She is a fraud and scam artist who is bullying for a lifetime – not just 15 minutes – of fame and fortune! It appears again Dr Phil has set himself up to act in God's stead so let him take the whole brood to live with him.


Brenda Thames   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Dr. Phil,

I think we are past the point of judging this woman for her decision to have more children. It is after the fact. Although, I believe, it is a very important topic for debate in the immediate future.

We need to be supportive of what the result is. Fourteen children.

Let's stop persecuting the Mom for her decision, and decide what is the best solution to help her through this overwhelming time, for her, and her children's sake.


CYNDY   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

I am very concerned about this mom. She doesn't seem to be in
touch with reality nor did she show great care for the little 6 children
she already has at home. Some with disabilities!

I love the little babies, all of them, however Nadya seems more
concerned about HER attention here. WHY would she refuse HELP?

Angles In Waiting will assist her yet she refuses GOOD PROFESSIONAL HELP! This is odd.

I believe Nadya will have MORE children too. She showed no concern for her older parents, nor her other children who need help.


Lodessa   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

I think the conversation should be about what the United States can do to help Nadya move forward. It is obvious that Nadya need help!


wendy   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

it seems that the most caring thing Nadia could do for at least 6 of the
newborns would be to adopt them out to loving families who could care for them in the way they need. of all people, Nadia should understand how much it would mean to a woman who has a problem conceiving her own, since she had to resort to extreme measures to have her babies.

since she only planned on having an additional one or two, she should keep those and let other loving families adopt the rest. it just seems so
impractical to require volunteers have to give so much help, when adoptive parents could given them a normal, loving life. perhaps
they could have an open adoption where she could keep tabs on them.


Pamela   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

What kind of life are these 14 ever going to have?
How will they feel special,
Will they have what they need...enough food, clothes, education, or just fill the need of this Mother.

A real Mother always thinks first of the lives of her children, she has had an entire pregnancy to figure this out.... and now she claims she didn't want any public notice of any kind?
She seems to be more interested in 'embryos' than the live of the children she has.
Sad,
I think children should be born with pride, love, joy.
Not born because they were there..(Frozen)

I had you because you were there...
Didn't want to waste the storage fees honey so we had you.... and you & you ect ect.. sad very very sad.
I will keep this children in my prayers for a lifetime.


Barb   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

Hello Dr. Phil,
Nadya won't take the help from "Angels in Waiting," because there is no money for her involved. This whole thing is about the almighty dollar. She craves the attention for herself, she obviously never gave any thought to those babies, like any other parent would have done. How sick!!!

Barb from NJ


Samantha   February 27th, 2009 9:28 pm ET

This woman makes all people who genuinely need financial government assistance look bad. She should be quite ashamed of herself.


Jennifer   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I'm confused. How is she going to buy a house? If she is refusing financial help how will she pay for all this? Talk about Pollyanna. She needs to face reality. For refusing help she sure likes the attention. Mnay homes have holes in walls, writing on walls and duck taped vents. These are unfair concerns, but what is of concern is food, heat, mental stabililty and a loving enviroment. Why does she stay with her children in her parents homes if there is such a battle of the wills obviously causing turmoil in the home. There is just something that doesn't add up here in my opinion. She's going to move and take her kids and get a new home and leave her parents who have taken care of her and her kids at the expense of losing their home it jsut doesn't add up.


P. Lund   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Makes me laugh how this woman has conned you people. My God , give her money and she'll spend it on more plastic surgery. Yea I know, she hasn't had any!!! Any donations should be micro managed by someone will make sure it goes to the care of those kids only. She is only after the money and not interested in anyone but herself, if she was concerned about these children she would have accepted the help from Angels in Waiting. The media should stop the coverage, this woman loves it. What a freak show !! This is disgusting.


Barb Gale`   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Dr. Phil Please stop playing Nada's game. These children cannot become more of an expense to the taxpayers. I am ofended. Have the children adopted and her committed. She cannot get away with this insanity at one more red cent of my tax money. Have her sterilized.


Mira   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Being a single mom I understand what it takes to raise a child and give that child everything it needs to be and grow into healthy and happy person, but what I do not understand is a grown women who has no income , home , or any kind of security , have 8 more babies , how is it possible for her not to consider what and how will she care for them . what about other 6 , ?


Mary Ellen Collins   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I'd like to hear Dr. Phil comment on how Nadya has paid for the IVF treatments she had for her first 6 children and for the IVF treatment she had for these 8 children. She receives state aid so the money for these treatments plus her manicures must come from the state and this is what makes people angry.


Julio   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Those newborns, and her other children SHOULD NOT, I repeat, SHOULD NOT be allowed to live with her. In this case, the children would be far better off not being with their mother. How in the world
could she afford all those fertility treatments while having no money? How will she be able to support those children with no job, no career, and no one to really support her. The best interest for the children is to
be given up for adoption.


KARI   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I have a several friends who were adopted. They are all professional, respected by others, and good people. One of them told me he was grateful that he was adopted by his parents when he was a baby otherwiese he would not be who he was now.
I have 4 children of my own and am not saying that adoption is the best thing to do for her. I think the best thing is to be with the birth mother, no doubt. If she can not take care of the babies, she needs to act before it is too late. I hope she makes smart choices and do the best things for the babies.


Donna Cats   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I am so glad I am from St. Catharines, Ontario Canada and don't have to help support these 14 children! If everyone thought like this woman, there would soon be no "support" money left in any country. If she refuses large gifts of money that's good, but foolish, if she is allowed to keep these children, but then you should tell her to give up all financial aid afforded to her and go to work like the rest of us to raise these children! Only in America eh?


Debra   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I think all her kids need to be taken because she is in no way in her right mind and she needs to get for herself...... Taxpayers should not have to pay for her bills she knew exactly what she (in her crazy mind).


Rick from Ct   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

This whole thing makes me mad,because she knew she didn't have a job, who do you think has to pay for her mistakes once again the American people. The children should be taken away and put up for adoption,to someone who can afford it. and I don't want to hear what's done, is done, lets move on. I'm sick of paying for other peoples mistakes in my taxes. I want kids but I can't afford it so why should I pay for absent baby daddy's, and fool who want to be on TV she's a nut


Robin   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I don't think that this woman is selfish at all....yes she has 14 children, however...she realizes that she made her bed and that this is her responsabilty to care of hese children. no she does not have the finances to care for them, but how many parents would give the rest of there lives and I do mean the rest of their lives to care for there children with their time? honestly people, how many? and expecially 14 at the ages these children are. she did not take the easy road and kill them or make them someone else responsablity. she stepped up to the plate. I respect her decision.


Crystal   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I greatly admire this woman to choose not to destroy any of her children. I am amazed at our selfish society that condones the destruction of children, yet abhors the woman who chooses to care for her own. Will she need help? Probably. But I would much rather my money go for the raising of our future generation than its annihilation. Does this make sense to anyone else? Many of our ancestors had more than ten children and somehow managed. That is why you and I are here today. I thank God that they didn't get rid of any of them. We are a selfish generation.


elizabeth brooks   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Hey Doctor Phil,

I am sixty one years old. Barely made it all my life , but managed. I was laid off from my job of eight plus years in June. I am having a terrible time finding a job. I have one dog and two cats I will lose them if I can't find something in a few months. I rent a one bedroom place. I still have to pay taxes even 100 dollars to renew my tags on my 20 year old car. Why on earth should I pay one red cent for this stupid woman. Take the kids away and get them adopted into homes that can afford them. Either that or mabe y'all want to help me find free rent etc.. I wish this woman nothing well but do want the kids taken away and taken care of.


Karen   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Where is the father.The statement was made ALL of her children had the same fater. He was a friend of hers....Is he also a Pollyanne? Why is he no held accountable for his kids...she did not go to a sperm bank and pay each time she conceived..........WHY should we , the tax payers have to pay for her stupidity and her friend the father and the Doctors mistake....HELP us understand....WHERE is the father???????


Lisa In Kentucky   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I do not think she should be allowed to raise these children when she cannot afford the ones she has they should be placed up for adoption


Danny   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I lost my house due to the flood on 04-15-07, and I had insurance. The insurance doesn't want to pay the money that they owe to me. My family was on the street for two month. I didn't get any HELP. I pay my taxes all my life. I have four kids. I can't evn get help. Here is this Nadya knowing that she will get help from the goverment and the media. Dr. Phil my wife is going to have at least ten kids, and I would like you to be a God Father of my all together 14 kids!!!
Thank you very much, Sincerely Danny Nieves


Renee Suska   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I think Nadya is really not living in reality.I don't think she alone can really understand that it is IMPOSSIBLE for her to bring up 14 kids healthyand happy 24 hours a day seven days a week.Not to mention they really don't have a decent home and she has no job.Wake up woman ,let's get real.Thank God for her parents who are taking care of the other kids.What an awful ordeal to put her aging parents through,financially and physically.How selfish of Nadya.I pray those kids stay safe.


Tracy Ammon   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I am curious as to who is going to be paying for the "new house" they are looking to lease? Secondly, are they going to be paying the back owned rent they owe on the house they are currently in. She needs to be held responsible. She should not be able to walk away from all the financial responsibilities just because of the birth of these beautiful babies. I still do not believe she can provide all of her children with the love & attention that they deserve. And if the taxpayers are footing most of the bill, they should get the choice of who is raising them. I vote they get adopted to loving families who want & can provide for them.


jwva   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Can you please clarify how long Victor has known Nadiya?

After her comment about about the frozen eggs, I wonder if she considers a woman's monthly cycle as letting the eggs die? Just a very odd rationale, which only makes me question her state of mind more.

My question to my friend who is a social worker was when and how would the state determine whether to gain custody of the newborns? My friend countered with what evaluation has been done to confirm that the six are safe and have been properly cared for? Does Dr. Phil or panelists know whether this has been explored? I can't imagine that it was questioned or else wouldn't she have been an ineligible candidate for in vitro. Thoughts?


Jessica   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

I understand everyone's outrage and inability to understand the situation. I don't understand either. I have a huge problem thinking that it's okay that people can still peer into Nadya's and her children's lives. You have no business doing that. After the media mess dies down, then maybe Nadya and children can have a real life. Stay out of her and her children's lives and leave them alone. The media likes to be way too nosy and that is the problem. No one's personal life needs to be transparent. Just think how would you feel if you couldn't breathe without a camera or some nosy reporter in your face? This is annoying!! We have an economic crisis affecting the world! Priorities people!


Brian Charles   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

This is another media frenzy that this woman is eating up. She will probably end up better off than the average American family. Getting movie endorsements, etc
Mean while just a few feet from the White house Americans are living in tents, on the street..... Rather odd... never any media event about that sad case...
Americans tend to get to media oriented in making stories so sensational....and this woman is loving it.....less media attention and maybe she will finally wake up....and deal with her reality..like the rest of us....


David Thompson   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

She does need help not scorn. However she does need mental help she is not facing reality and you can not make her. A most mothers will not give up her children even if it is what is best for them. And she is being as selfish as one can be. So what people gonna pay for her to stay with her children there are women with far fewer children who get no help at all. What has this world come to when we pat the worst offenders on the back. And those with only a strike get ran through the leagal ringer. I pay child support for other men to raise my children and if I don't I get put in jail.


cindy   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

why didn't dr phil ask the pr guy why didn't she accept angels in waiting offer?

the sperm donor should be made responsible for some of the cost.

The taxpayers of Calif are fed up, she's a grifter.

This woman hasn't worked in 10 YEARS! We have paid for the IBF, maintenance, her plastic surgery, medical, etc. Enough!


Debbie Kaleores   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Who paid for prenatal care?
Who is paying for the hospitalization of these babies?
Where will she get the money for 8 babycarries?
Where will she get the money for formula?


Cammie   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Give me a break! First of all, what credentials does Lara Spencer have to preach to anyone? She is an entertainment reporter – give me a break!!! Where does she come off telling LK's audience how to treat this woman? Secondly, what kind of interview can you have with a spokesperson for octo-mom? Unbiased? Don't think so. This entire show is a joke. If you are going to conduct a show regarding this situation which I see as a mentally unhealthy, narcissist woman who is taking advantage of everyone including our social system choosing to become pregnant through artificial means with no means of support (oh yea she already has how many children at home?). She somehow had the money to undergo treatment at a very expensive fertility clinic while she is taking taxpayer money to support her children while she is choosing to have more children. As much as this woman is living in a fantasy land, delusional who if mentally healthy would not choose to be so high profile. Those babies need to be removed and put into loving caring homes that actually can support them. It would be a totally different case if she had become pregnant with 8 babies the way God intended but she did not . A mentally healthy responsible person would want the best for their babies and in this case that would meant adoption. And by the way, the media needs to stop – enough of her!!


Kayte   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

Why does this woman think that the state of California is going to pick up the bill for her and her children? What kind of precedence is this send to all of America? If she didn't know that she wasn't going to be able to support these children, then she isn't responsible enough to raise them either. The American public is tired of paying for other people's stupidity. My husband and I had two children because we knew that was all we could afford. Let's start making these people responsible for their actions.


EDWARD N. TAYLOR   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

THERE IS NO WAY THAT AIR HEAD CAN SUPPORT ANY OF THOSE
CHILDREN. SHE HAS NO WAY TO SUPORT . NO MONEY ,THE HOUSE IS TO SMALL. THEY ALL SHOULD BE ADOPTED.INTO NICE HOME.


marykay   February 27th, 2009 9:29 pm ET

oh,, she,s mimicing Angie Jolie to the T. she has no money? she cerainly had enough to have her lip,s done, and don,t any body tell me she did,nt. have you seen the ( before photo,s?) 14 kid,s to support and she,s out getting botox?? she dos,nt follow celeberties? give me a break. what is Angie well known for? her lip,s and her kid,s. she,s playing you all. MK


John   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Seems to me that Ms Suleman is sort of a poster girl for the pro-lifers. Well, here's a chance for the pro-life contingent to come to terms with their misguided ethics. All they seem to care about is that babies get born; after that they're on their own. Where is the "morality" in that? So, let the pro-life types pay for the octuplets' maintenance until they turn eighteen. Having to show a little social responsibility might just demonstrate to them the irrationality of their views.


Diane   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

This is America, and everybody who's anybody knows that the slightest unusual life circumstance becomes National media, in an instant. She has this sickly obsession with bearing children and KNEW that this would become public ahd she'd become "famous" because of it. Thus, why she just so happens to very much resemble Angelina Jolie....

Additionally, my parents both passed when I was just 5 and my 80 yr old grandmother raised me. The state ALMOST took me from her, to put me into foster care- because they were fearful I would not have fit upbringing- due to my grandmother's age. Luckily, she proved them wrong and was amazing. So if I (one child) almost went to foster care due to concern over my care-giver, HOW would this not be a concern of the State of CA with her and 14 children – it's obvious neglect – no matter how you look at it.


Duck   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

I have a 7 month old, so I understand about taking care of a child... and YOURSELF!!! I would LOVE to have another child, but my husband and I have no guarantee of another child. There is a 27 year difference in our age, and she was a miracle! We are looking into adoption, but we want a child who need us as much as we need AND want them.

I am so concerned about the welfare of these children. Yes, she may have made a mistake in her choices, but what future do these children have??? Living on welfare??? What example is this for these children??? Live off the government (who by the way is BROKE!!!!)

If she is stable, she will realize this is more than she can handle and make the 'right' (and I am using that word loosely) decision... if she gets a job, a husband and can handle the responsibility, then okay, but if not... well, I think the majority says give them up to those who have what it takes...


thelma hopkins   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

i think she should have donated the embryos. someone should help her mother with her housing issues. she deserves it. you know shes tired an worn out. naadya is not a very giving person since she didnt donate her eggs. thanks


paula welker   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Nayda said she just couldn't bear to destroy those embryos yet its ok to birth 14 live babies and destroy them. What kind of role model is she? Teaching her kids how to con and scam there way through life? She gave no thought or care to her 6 existing kids when she decided to implant more. What is the public going to do when she takes the money given to her babies and gets more plastic surgery or better yet decides to it again for more IVF.


Holly   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

From a mother of five children, there is so much negative critazism on the mom of these children,how do you expect a mom of 8 new children to feel. instead of trying to take the children away from her support her and her fourteen children. What about kate plus 8 show that is aired on the tv constantly, they have the countrys full support what happened here. what because she is a single mom! give her a chance.


Anne   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

This "spokesperson" seems to be as out of touch as his client. He keeps mentioning that they have to decide which house they are going to move into. Where is the money coming from to pay for this house? My guess is that that's why he's on the show tonight -TO GET PEOPLE TO SEND MONEY TO PAY FOR THE HOUSE.

If Nadya Suleman was interested in doing what was right for the children she wouldn't have rejected the offer from Angels in Waiting. They were offering a home and care for her and all 14 of the children. Unfortunately, Nadya was more interested in a 'reality show'.

HELLO NADYA! Nobody is interested in watching a show about an extremely dysfunctional woman who is unable to care for her 14 children.


kelly greeson   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

I am a single mom with no support and would love more kids should I just assume that my community will help and buy me a house. I wanted to shake Nayda on the Dr. Phil show. I think she using the systems and all of us. I feel outraged at this. we all need help and why should she get it just because she wants a big family. I think that the spokesman for her should marry her he seems just as stupid and out of it like her. Dr. Phil I always watch your show I hope you are not helping her nor Oprha I feel she was hoping for a big paycheck from you both. she is living in a bubble my blood boils thinking about her


donnsa siegrist   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

would this happen in japan or china a mother that cant provide for her children by her self with out help from the american people no it would not i think she is not stable and let her figure out what to do by her self she got her self into this mess let the doctor that planted all these babies into her figure out what to do how is this our problem


melissa   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

There are so many reasons why Nadya's actions are wrong. Besides the fact that she has been supporting her kids on tax payers money, I don't understand why she had plastic surgery clearly to look like Angelina Jolie. She denies having it but, HELLO, I can see it a mile away.


Dr. Gerald Rich   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

The impact upon those children will be abuse by neglect. No parent can nurture that many children healthily. This charade is a mere prelude to emotional problems for the children throught their lives. As has been mentioned before, her decisions to have these children is ample reason to suspect her mental health and capacity as a caregiver, regardless of the resources.

By the way, what or who funded the fertility procedures? That might give some insight to her motivation.


cij   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

The mother of the octuplets is obviously a liar. The denial of surgery for the changes in her facial appearance is laughable. She is an unprosecuted felon who has misused student loan funds more than likely to pay for in vitro procedures. Her dagger like finger nails do not demonstrate an ability to be provide adequate care to newborn or toddler children. Her unrealistic decisions indicate possible mental health issues.
Start a fund to place her children, all of them, with people who will truly provide loving and responsible parenting. My money is on giving the children a decent chance at life.


Lydee in PA   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Most of those who are defending her and telling everyone else to get off her back CLEARLY never cared for even ONE newborn – let alone preemies! It is a round-the-clock and very tiring and stressful job! (Evev if you didn't already have 6 other young children at home...)


Irene   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

My opinion is that she did all this for publicity. The problem is not the having of the 14 children. Many women in the past have been widowed with big families and the community always steps up to help. The difference is that Nadya sought out the publicity.

She has not worked for 10 years. She has lived on disability checks and food stamps. She probably has watched reality shows like "John & Kate + 8" and the other show of the couple with 18 children and she probably thought this would be a good way to become famous and not have to work. The proof is her rejection of the offer by "Angels in Waiting." She probably figures she can get much more than just "help" with the children.

She obviously wants fame and money at the expense of us, the taxpayers. This is why people are sooo mad. Who cares if she had 20 children if she had a way to care for them and not have ulterior motives. She is just lazy and obviously disturbed. How dare she make me pay for her laziness and her wanting to be rich and famous?


aliou   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

LEAVE MS. SOULEMAN ELONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

POEPLE SHOULD LET HER BE. wE HAVE PAID THOUSANDS INTO CANCER RESEARCH AND OTHER ILLNESSES. WHY ARE WE PICKING ON MULTIPLE PREGNANCIES? BECAUSE SHE IS SINGLE?

BECAUSE OF HER LAST NAME?

GET REAL PEOPLE.


Jean2   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Who is Victor Munoz and who is paying him?
Dr. Phil, if she is so well prepared today why do you have to take charge.

You seem to always insist on taking responsibility WHAT HPPENED IN THIS CASE??

I am disappointed with you Dr. Phil.


TIM   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

IT IS TIME FOR THE MEDIA TO LEAVE THIS WOMAN ALONE. THE ATTENTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THE IRRESPONSIBLE PHYSICIAN WHO MADE THIS POSSIBLE. DOES DR. PHIL PLAN TO INTERVIEW HIM AND COERCE AN ADMISSION OF MAKING A BAD DECISION FROM HIM. HE SHOULD BE SUED FOR MALPRACTICE. THE BOTTOM LINE IS THIS IS STILL AMERICA AND THE OCTO MOM MADE HER DECISION TO HAVE THESE CHILDREN UNDER THE CARE AND GUIDENCE OF HER PHYSICIAN. LET'S GIVE THOSE CHILDREN THE SUPPORT THE DESERVE AND STOP ATTACKING THEIR MOTHER.


Carol- New York   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

Ms Suleman should have accepted the assistance offered by Angels in Waiting. By refusing their help, she has proven that she has ulterior motives-She is looking for free money, a free vehicle, a free home, free medical assistance free manicures and so on... She has had 9 months to prepare her home for these children-Now it is an emergent problem? Give me a break!! My husband (yes, I HAVE a husband) and I both work hard to support our 2 children . Oh, by the way, I have never had a professional manicure or cosmetic surgery.. America needs to boycott a reality show featuring this woman.


Carol Zapiecki   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

puppy Mills are in the news everyday.......shut down by the swtate because people can't maintain so many. Are these children any less important! She can't possibly take care of these 14 kids.


Cindy   February 27th, 2009 9:30 pm ET

I have a daughter who was a premie delivered at 26 and 1/2 weeks. She only weighed 2lbs 7oz. Now my daughter has a developmental disability and mental health issues.
What is Nadia going to do if or when one or more of her children may have serious developmental delays or any other medical problem may occur?


BetsyBrown   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

These children are here, no unringing that bell, for sure.
So, being humans we have to respect these little humans and help take care of them.
It sounds like an impossible situation but there is enough help out there so the mom needs to accept the help. She cannot take care of them herself and the poor Grandma is exhausted and frustrated.
Naydia, take the help, there are Angels out there who are willing to help!


susan   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Go to any urban jail in this country and see all the teenage girls and their babies lined up to see the baby daddys. What chance to those babies have? We could end poverty without spending a dime in one generation
if all of our citizens stayed in school until they graduated, and didn't have babies until they were at least 21. The octuplets mom is the least of our problems. We have hundreds of thousands of parents who shouldn't have their children and who are draining our country's resources instead of making a contribution.


regina johnson   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Lets face it folks-this girl knows how to work the system. it started with her getting money in a settlement from an employer for her injury on the job. Then she got disablility? She was pregnant with 8 kids and she got disability?
Just look at her nails-it shows how nuts she is.Only someone incredibly vain would have nails like that with 6 kids already. Is she taking their disabiltiy payments and getting her manicures? She could have been getting the house painted or new carpet for the $100 a month she pays alone for that.
Come on everyone -get real-its all about the money for her. However, I have to think that if she were 'black' this reporting would never have gotten to this point. No one would 'touch' degrading her for having a lot of kids.


Patricia   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

My comment to the Mother ,if you cannot financially support the Babies why have them,why expect the state or anyone else to support your family.You don't see anyone else with 2,3,or 4,children asking the state for support, so why just because you were stupid enough to have 8 more children after you already have 6 should you be given support. Enough of the bull about expecting everyone to step in and raise your kids just bec ause you wanted them, their your's you pay to raise them educate them and the whole nine yards that go along with the decision to have kids in the first place.


Diana MacKenzie   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

This is not about what Nadia wants, how she feels, or anything else to do with her. There is only one question and that is what is best for the eight babies?
Those children deserve a normal upbringing with parents who are mentally fit to do what is in their best interests.
If they stay with Nadia for the rest of their lives they will be paraded to all and sundry like a carnival side-show.
They deserve better and Nadia's tubes should be tied.


kristen davis   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Dr Phil should be her spokesman. I'm shocked at how he is defending her. Im starting to think he needs psychiatric help.


Holly   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Why isn't there a limit to how many children you can have on welfare? Aren't we enabling these women to have more babies by giving them more assistance?


Patti Lewis   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

I saw both Dr. Phil shows and I think you missed the mark. This woman cannot take care of these 14 children because she is mentally unstable. No one seems to want to see this. You all want us to help her. I feel very sorry for her first 6 and now additional 8 children, but because you gave birth doesn't make you a good mother. It is very apparent that these children would be better off with with almost anyone else than their "Mother". She is totally out of touch with reality and you would do her a much better service to get her mental help first and then think about her becoming a capable mother.


GRAM23   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Please, Let the children be cared for by angels in waiting they will be able to do for the children so much more then she ever could. . If she will not do this the children should be taken away and adopted to parents who will get them what they need. That guy has no clue of what the babies will need.


greg   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Someone said we should respect the mother. Give me a break. Get real. What is there to respect? She does not deserve one child much less 14.


Rodrigo   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

This is an outraged !!! Doctors and Mom should be sued !!! Bring more kids to this world under this situation . Of course the poor kids are unprotected the Justice should take care of them. What a mess in a family !!! Please jail the doctors and the mother .

Hollywood actors should help them. rsrsrs !!!


Samantha   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

DHR HAS to get involved in this...


Robin   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Just from the clips of Nadya's house, on various talk show interviews, the damage seems to be from the children. Which would indicate that she really isn't watching the children, that they seem to have the run of the house. So how does she still think that she can write a book, go back to school, and raise the 14 children she absolutely had to have?


Deb   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

The only thing I have to say is, I will keep her in my prayers...She seems to love kids very much..Give her a chance at this..Dont condemn her , because of the love she has..Let God be the judge..I just hope that her family will continue to be there for her..My mom was there for me when I was a single mom, with 2 little ones..I got thru it!! I ask that we all pray for her and the babies..My opinion..God Bless!


Karen   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

This goes to show you that participants that are on state assistance should be monitored more closely...In fact, Where was the State of California's Dept of Human Services...Don't procedures such as the invitro fertilization have to be pre approved?...They certainly do by private insurance carriers...No wonder the state of California is in the shape it's in, it's their wonderful citizens such as this woman...The father that donated the sperm, will he be responsible for child support?...And for the mother, What was she thinking?...She knew she couldn't afford to care for that many children, did she have "STARry eyes?...Or should I say ($)TARry eyes...


Cavelle Vancouver Canada   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

I concur with Amanda Roche above... relax Dr. Phil you are feeding the nasty folks who love nasty entertainment.


Louise Welch   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Nadya is not as dumb as the media has made her out to be. She has a bachlors degree, check it out. She is an intelligent person who happens to love kids. Nothing wrong with that. She is not the only one who has had large families......


Margie   February 27th, 2009 9:31 pm ET

Nadia Suleman needs her kids taken away from her. I think she is mentally unstable. She is looking for money..


Lynn   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

I am a 41 year old mother of 10 year old twin boys. Multiples are a lot of work and I only have the two children. I am not Nadya and I do not have any right to judge her and I don't think anyone else has the right to judge her either. I understand there is concern about tax dollars being used for these babies. Personally, I would rather see tax dollars used to help someone like her rather than putting it in the pockets of people who just choose to not work. Should we be interrogating those people as well??? Should we be investigating all the welfare recipients as well and put them all over the news? Where does it end?
Also, large families were very common years ago and people didn't have disposable diapers and washing machines and they made due in a loving home. Yes, it will be challenging having 8 babies at once but give the girl a chance. It would be SO wrong to take those children from her. I don't think we have any business sticking our noses in this. I am sorry Dr Phil but I am very disappointed with your show's obsession with this girl this week and now I turn on Larry King and there you are again. I think we are crossing the line – it's nice to want to help someone but flashing them all over the news constantly is enough to drive anyone crazy. I feel very sorry for her having to go through this.


Birdie   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

If the hospital let's those babies go home to Nadya then the "system" has failed those 8 babies. She has had eight months to pull it together and she has produced nothing for those babies to come home to. Call it procrastination as she did, call it what you will. Here is a woman who has a track record of PROVEN and complete irresponsibility!!


David Thompson   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

What a double standard.


Sharon Craig   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

What woman in this situation would do a thing like this? She has no regard for life! Octogranny should be spanked for "enabling" for so long. Turning down the wonderful offer for herself and her children is TOTALLY STUPID! I feel so bad for these babies.


Samantha   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

Holly- I argree completely!!!!


Laura   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

Hi Dr.Phil,

I thought you did a great interview with Nadia, sorry can't spell her name correctly. I just wondered can she be ordered to give up any of these new children up for adoption or even foster care? I also saw when you had interviewed the lady who had seven kids and counting. She had a hard time so how is it going to be for this young lady? Not everyone is going to volunteer their time and efforts. After they get past the cute stage, I don't see that there will be tons of people out there to help her and I don't believe for one minute that she isn't trying to look like Angelina Jolie because she could pass almost as a twin of hers. I also feel sorry for her parents, they are getting up there in age and sure probably don't want to spend their remaining good years left looking after 14 children. I think its very insentive to expect her mom or anyone else to help her. I know she isn't asking for help but she can't do this alone.


Sharon   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

The publicist, Mr. Munoz, appears to be just as delusional and greedy as Nadya. The fact that they will not consider Angels in Waiting tells me all I need to know about this mentally unstable free loader. Dr. Phil can gloss over all he wants but I can tell you right now that the American public will not stand for it. It is obvious that Mr. Munoz is banking on a BIG payback.

I feel so sorry for Nadya's mother. She is the one that has apparently supported Nadya's brood all these years to her own detriment. Nadya has done nothing but lie and deceive her mother.


Ellin   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

Dr. Phil. You're the therapist, not me. However, it occurs to me, after watching Nadia debate her decision to have her eggs implanted, that this is her way of punishing her mother for only having 1 child.

I also believe her rejection of the help offered to her by Ms. Allred is another way to get back at her. It's like "Well Ma, you didn't want more than one. Now you're going to have to deal with them."

Aside from that, I think Nadia is totally out of touch and if she doesn't take a serious offer, those children should be taken away. I also think that she is forced to have her tubes tied. I think the girl is nuts but the babies are here and they need to be taken care of and I don't think Nadia can take care of herself much less 14 kids.


Gayle   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

If we look at others we can all find fault. Lets look at the entired picture and reach out to help these precious souls, Nadiya included. None of us are perfect, we have all fallen short, none of us are perfect. Lets have mercy, for we all need it. Help her! This is American, as americans we can.


Nonuts   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

What assurance does society have that Nadya will have NO MORE CHILDREN?


Nancy   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

Her intention may have been to only have one more child, however the best and unselfish decision she should make is to give ALL eight babies to families that want to adopt . I was adopted and I was given a REAL chance for survival and happiness because my birth mother REALLY loved me.


richard t. johnson   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

fourteen kids with no means of support is premeditated irresponsibility. this woman is a complete loon! child welfare needs to intervene and remove this women's children to ensure that she receives the mental health treatment she so very well needs.

perhaps we can add a stipulation to the stimulus bill setting aside a few million dollars to ensure loony tunes gets a palatial estate and a few servants compliments of the good people of the usa..


Cassie   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

She has some serious pysch issues. I love children but I would not want to have 14 of them. It works for some people but I don't think it would work for her. She will need a lot of help even if she doesn't think she needs it. People with one kid want help. She needs to think really hard about what it is that she is getting herself into. There are others out there that dream of even having one kid.

Is she doing it for the publicity, fame, glory? Those kids are going to have a rough life ahead of them. Was she thinking of herself or of those precious lives she was bringing into the world?

Some of her statements are completely wild. How does her mind work? If her own family thinks she has problems, then maybe she does.


joanne osinkowski ontario canada   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

Victor Munoz and the mother do not want this help= because it is not making money for them plain and simple.


Vicki   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

I have heard that Nadya has undergone plastic surgery with the goal of looking like Angelina Jolie. That plus wanting so many kids...did Dr. Phil ask her about this?


soumah Abdoulaye   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

I believe that there is something wrong with Nadya. She needs helps. I feel very sorry for these fourteen children


Lady Doreen   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

This woman has a hard time raising even 6 children, how much about 14 kids? This is really stupid of her because she did this for the tax payers to take care of them, we should not encourage this at all.

Dept. of children and families should come in now and demand that these kids should be adopted. It will cost $1.5 million to take care of these 8 kids till they reach 18 yrs of age. These money could be used to build better schools for children. She has these kids because she can take care of them, if not, they should not even be released to her. She ignored her mom's plea not to have any more kids.
Dr Phil, please, don't ask people to contribute to this nonsense, the kids should be adopted. Don't use your show or Larry's to promote such a coward act. Thanks.


Alan   February 27th, 2009 9:32 pm ET

I think this is opening a can of worms. It just gives a green light to single women out there with no means of support to become single mothers any time they want ,and they know the system will take care of them. If these children were put in foster care, it would send a clear message to single mothers that they just can't have babies anytime they want and expect the system to take care of everything.


Louie   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Dr.Phill
It’s shameful in great nation like United State to make the money is the first issue to discuss regarding this case, when we send out billions of dollars to help other people for cases less important overseas.
I don’t think it’s time to punish the kids by what id the mom did the right thing or not and I don’t think by supporting this family even by the taxpayer money would encourage other moms to have such a number of kids.

Vannuys

Califorina


Joe whoknows   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

I think Nadia's mom is more in touch with reality. Please, I think Mr. Munoz is also publicity-hungry for being Nadia's spokesperson. And why decline the offer from "Angels in Waiting"? I guess there's no financial gains that Nadia will be getting from it. It's all about MONEY!!!!


Ed - Sidney, OH   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Threatened by Gloria..........lol.....you better hope you don't get calls from a collection agency, they REALLY know how to treat a person!


barb smith   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

There is a father somewhere, can he be responsible for any of this? Most fathers pay child support,in our state it is 75.00 a week for each child. No wonder she wanted the implants. There is no way any man could want this responsibility! She just doesn't get it , does she?


Bo   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Dr. Phil, I'm sorry, but this makes me sick. We have all watched it unfold, and it seems to me that the political correctness is outweighing the common sense and decency that I think a lot of us were raised with. Has this woman at least had permanent pregnancy prevention performed yet? Ok, I'll say it....no I can't...we have to be pc...this is bad, someone needs to take charge....and I don't mean Welfare...I am tired of paying the tab for people like this...God Bless the Children....but get them a life away from the Octomom. God Bless America.


Alice   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Dr. Phil – I watched your interview and, to date, I believe that is was the most fair and caring I a have seen so far! Thanks for caring!
The children are here – as Americans – we need to step up and help this Mother and these precious children!!!
Where is the compassion? Where is the love? Where is the American Spirit?
We have all made mistakes – even those people who are judging, complaining and being down right mean!!!!!!!!!!
There are other people who have and are having many children and we do not file to have those children removed from their Mother's!!
This is a miracle and we should ALL step up and love these children, help this Mother and Grandmother.
Please, America, stop being so uncaring!!!!!! What if this was yourdaughter, your children, your grandchildren, your family.,,,,??????
Where are the Right to Life People????? Where are the Republicans and all their "Holier than Thou" speeches?????????????


Betty   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

I believe that Nadya is mentally unstable and therefore cannot provide adequate parenting and a secure home for all her children. Her own Mother suggested that she should have given the fetuses up for adoption. I believe that giving many of the babies up for adoption is a good solution.


Mark   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Not worth this guy's time to travel somewhere to help her get 130,000 dollars in help?


Bonnie Gray   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Nadya's mother keeps saying she "doesn't have a job" but with that many kids it would seem there is no way she could have a job or even go back to school since who would take care of that many kids and how could she possibly pay that much to have someone take care of them? I know people with only two children who can't afford daycare and can't work because they can't make enough to make it worthwhile. Also, in licensed daycare centers, don't they have to have enough workers for every so many infants or children? How long would it take to get them all ready to get to a sitter or daycare also?


Lori   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Hi Dr. Phil, I love your show! I understand how people can be outraged that Nadya Suleman decided to have 8 more children after already having 6. But, in alot of ways, it's not anyone's business. I know people are concerned about "paying for her children" and the welfare of her children. I am a Social Worker and am concerned about any children.
However, she seems to be genuinely loving and interested in her children. She was not willing to destroy the embryos and therefore, I like her pro-life stance. If you don't have a job, it is nutty to have 8 more children after already having six. This is a situation that should not have been an afterthought indeed. I must say I would rather be friends with Nadya than a cold blooded child KILLER like pathetic Casey Anthony! At least Nadya WANTS her children, no matter how little, I repeat, LITTLE planning she did! More kudos to a Nadya Suleman than a mom who feels her ONE 2 yr old daughter is in her way and causes her not to be able to party! Shame on her. At least Nadya, with help can figure out a solution, now that the children are ALREADY HERE! Beware of the pedophiles, the men who murder their young wives and yes, Casey Anthony, who is despicable!
People need to start to get over Nadya's situation, unless they're intimately involved. Thank you. Lori


Glenda   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

I am working to help set up a food bank in my community. We have over 500 children homeless in our county school district. I just don't understand why Ms. Suleman seems to be so cavalier about these fourteen children. They need food, shelter, clothing, special care, etc..................in other words MONEY to raise and care for them. When we are struggling to feed, shelter, and clothe the thousands of working poor in this country how could a "sane" adult do something like this. I am concerned ONLY for the fourteen children who have the misfortune to have been born into this bazaar situation. I think that everyone is acting like she's some kind of misunderstood super mom....................give me a break. You want to see a super mom look at Grandma Suleman. She is most likely going to be the one who has the major responsibility of the eight new ones to add to her burden. She is the one who looks like she needs a spa day. This is a tragedy for the children................and for the grandparents! By the way......................who is paying the lease payments, the special nursing care, the food bills, the formula bills, etc.???????????????????????


Joy Richards   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

I am a grandmother who helped my daughter bring 0ne premature baby home from the hospital. There are so many things that are different about a premi and bringing a normal baby home.

Beside that:no one has talked about the practical things of everyday life:1. 14 car seat
2. disposal of diapers for 8 babies(someone will surely donate the diapers themselves.
3. she will have to have help with these chilren for at least ten years
4.will she be able to pay the income tax on all these donations or will she have to.
5.why should this mother have all this financial help when all the other parents who struggle with their babies.
6.there is a very good chance that some of these children will have handicaps ,particularly since she already has two special needs children.
7.there are so many wonderful parents who want to adopt so badly and these children would live good lives.


Erica   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Fine it's agreed, life is precious, but this is taken it too far. There had to be some alternatives to provide some humanity to the leftover embryos. I believe this woman does have some issues, selfishness may be only the tip of the iceberg. I am currently 8 months pregnant with my second child and already feeling overwhelmed. Many have said to me, "she is going to get paid" or "people will help her with whatever she needs." That insults me because I know I am going to have to struggle, make tough choices and act responsibly, no "angels in waiting" for me and most other women out there who could use an act of kindness. All because she decided to be some type of phenomenon and breed like an animal. Best wishes to the family and for those throwing money her way to tell her story or add exposure...spare me. I only want to hear what she has to say after she raises these children to be productive, self-sufficient adults.


Carla Alvarez   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Obviously, Nadya has run the show at her parents home since the day she was born. She talks to her mother like a dog. I am embarrased for her mother. Her mother should have put her out when she came home pregnant the second time. She should have been made to work and support the two then should would understand how hard it is to be a single mother. Where are the consequences for her behavior. Wouldn't we all like to do as we please with no consequences for our behavior.

This is a crime but unfortunately I'm beginning to believe that crime pays. I believe that the state of California should step in and put these children in homes that can take care of these children. Poor children !!!

Now the question is when will she have more???? I don't think she deserves help unless she has her tubes tied. I think it's a terrible, terrible crime to do this to children!!


Sonya   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

I'm so tired of people being so negative with Nadia. Where i come from we are taught it takes a community to raise child. We need to show this family love, commpassion, & respect.
My grandmother raised 15 children in three bedroom home, with no running water, or electricity. She got through by the support of family, friends, & the love of god. We need to remember these children are gifts of god. We have no right to judge that.
Look at all the children that are brought into this world & not wanted or cared for. From what I have seen...Nadia loves her children and needs all the support she can get.
If I had the opportunity, I would gladly help Nadia with her children.

This famliy needs love & kindness...not judgemental, negative attitudes


Jody   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

I don't believe nadya is a bad person I think she has an illness, I do however feel that the 8 babies should not go home with her. I believe they should go into foster care until she proves that she can take care of these children properly. I think child services will see that she will not be able to, she now has 6 children at home and she is not able to take care of them. She contributes nothing to the house, her parents are about to go into forclosure on their home. She chose to bring these children into this world but they shuld not have to suffer from her illness, the 6 she already has at home are suffering. Nadya may not think that her children at home are suffering but they are, they are not getting the individual attention that a child needs to have healthy metal stability, they are all piled into two rooms including mom (isn't there a fair housing law that prohibits the childrena fter a certain age of sharing a room if they are opposite sex?) I am not even sure at this point if the other 6 children should stay at home with mom. She (Nadya) has already said she is relying on her parents, friends and the church to help her. What is going to happen when the "wells dry up" as the parents seem to be close to doing? Who is going to take car eof them then?
By no means do I think the children do not need help, I think they ALL need help HOWEVER, how is it she can afford to go shopping for makeup and such when she is relying on help of others to help her out and she doesn't help her parents. I am sorry, I lost my job back on Dec, I have one child and it is hard to make it with the one child without a job, we currently watch every little light we have on, we watch what we are buying when we go to the grocery store, and we DO NOT get to go buy personal items such as makeup! If she is being given the money to help take care of the children maybe they should appoint someone outside the family to take charge of her money so she can not go shopping for herself. Heck I would love for eople to donate money to me to take care of my children and I get to go spend it but then again I could not live with myself if I knew that someone gave me money to take care of my house (especially if I have 6 at home and 8 at the hospital) and I went out and spent the money on myself.

I think the state needs to really look into Nadya's situation and elvaluate what is best for these children and right now I do not feel that being with a mom that is not working, does not have a house besides living with her parents, does not plan on working for a while and obviously has some mental issues, I dont think that going home to her is the right thing at tis point in time, they will need around the clock care and she willnot be able to do it, all the childrena are must to young and can not even help her out if needed. I fear tat if the children go home to her that she will be exhausted and end up hurting one of the 14 children, not even meaning it. Why can't they put the children in foster homes and giver her a few months to a year to get situated somewhere and get some means of income before they go home to her. the state is way to busy to be checking in on her as often as it will be needed and it may be toooooo late when they are finally able to.
Again, I am not saing Nadya is a bad person; I could not say that she is because I do not know her, I jsut hink she needs to get her live straight and plan for the near future before they come home to her.
I heard someone say that it isnot different with her and the shoe seventeen (now eighteen) and counting. There is a difference....all of their (meaning more than one parent! or care taker) children are spaced in age so that as one more was born the previous ones are now old enough to help the parents take care of them. Nadya has 6 small kids at home which some of them have disability so they will be unab;e to help her take care of the younger ones..she will never be able to do it. I not only fear for the children (all 14 of them) but I worry about mom as well.


mae   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

1st let me say I think Nayda was 200% wrong not to accept the offer from Angels In Waiting.
After that, I think 2 many people are in this woman's business. There is a couple(I forget where) who has 18 children. It doesn't matter weather it was IV or just a couple wanting a lot of children. So Nayda is single and that makes her terrible? Only the people who live in her state need to worry about her using taxpayers money. Nayda said herself she didn't expect 8 babies because she was implanted with 6 embryo's before and only once did they produce multiples(twins). I think people in general need to get off her case. Every other multiple birth has been greeted with all types of help including a house, years of diapers, free college education etc. The couple with 18 kids already had 17 so what is the difference. If Nayda was married and already had 6 children would it be an issue. I hope Nayda has a chance to rethink the offer which was given because noone else seems to want to do anything except complain.


CINDY MC DONALD   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

All 14 children should be taken away from this unstable person.
I just read an article about a couple who GAVE their extra embryos away to stable loving couples who were willing and able to care for the children. When will Nadya be having the next litter? Who will stop this wako? The doctor who implanted the multiples should be stripped of his license to practice.
He and Nadya are definetly expecting to gain financial wealth.
Dr Phil you have got to save the 14 sweet, innocent, helpless angels who deserve more than what they are getting.


Sean   February 27th, 2009 9:33 pm ET

Dr. Phil,

I think everyone should stop demoralizing the Octomom. Pushing her to the edge does nothing good. Either good or bad decision to have more kids is now no longer important. Deal with the fact and the fact is that she loves her children and she have 14 kids to care for. If you care, then help her to make good decision from now on for the kids. Demoralizing or fighting does not produce a good result. Taking the kids away from her is worse.

God bless her and guide her through this.

Note: I am from a big family. I know the joys and the hardship.


Maria   February 27th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

I'm getting an eerie sensation – Nadya's delusions are reminding me of Michael Jackson's irrationality.


Doug Switzer   February 27th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

If she really cared about the children, she should put them up for adoption. I am sure there are a lot of people who would be able to give these children the care and love and financial security they deserve.


Kay   February 27th, 2009 9:34 pm ET

Nadya is a disgrace to woman. Selfish and thoughtless. I am so sick of women that have baby after baby and expect the taxpayer to take care of them. She can call it whatever she wants, "resource", whatever, it is WELFARE. These babies will have no decent life. They should be taken away from her and adopted to families that would give them a decent life. The whole situation just nauseats me. But you know, the media will keep her in her 30 minutes of fame forever and someone will do a movie, then a book, then a TV show and guess what, she comes out "smellin' like a rose" . PATHETIC !!!


Robin   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

This woman has exactly what she wanted,she is headline news! Iam the proud mother of 3 fine grown sons. I would have loved to have had more children but I knew I could not afford them, so therefore had to make the tough decision not to have more!! there is something wrong with this woman. Yes the children are here and need to be cared for. What kind of message is this sending to women, pop them out and let society take care of them??? She knew this would be the case!!
She needs mental help and her children should be taken away from her so they have a fighting chance!! Dr. Phil i disagree how we should all embrace them!!!! The children yes her absolutely not!!!

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Geenius   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

I agree with joanne. The help that has been offered doesn't include a reality show and constant "tv opportunities" for this young lady. She thrives in front of the cameras and I believe she did this in order to promote herself!


Ed - Sidney, OH   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Really MOST mothers would jump at the chance to have " Angels in waiting" HELP


Gina   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

It is my understanding that IVF cost at least $15,000. That is $15,000 that could have fed her 6 six children and kept a roof over thier heads. How is it not neglect to use that money to have more children? Also if the money that she was living off and used for IVF were from student loans, isn't that fraud? Could she face criminal charges?


M. Butterworth   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Nadya is definately not in touch with reality. Why would she burden others..with the care of these babies. She has to be psychologically deprived of love herself to continue with this charade. Everyone feels empathy for the little babies. The right thing to do is adopt them to families who want childred. I hope Nadya comes to grip with the right thing to do for these infants. America is tired of paying for children who have no parents..I know I am.


Debbie Durham   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

I think the little ones are here and people need to help anyway they can. If the mom made the right decision or not doesn't matter now. John and Kate plus 8 decided to keep all six of there babies. Do you think if they were told there were 8 they would have decided different. I myself, would have carried all 8.That is a personal decision. People need to stop judging this lady and thank God they aren't in her shoes. Lets just help her take care of theses little gifts from God. I also think this mom truely loves these babies. How many children in this world are born and unloved every day. This mom wants and loves her babies. We need to give her the chance to show it. If she proves different then the state should step in. Debbie in Oklahoma


melissa   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Dr. Phil, how is helping Nadya get in to a bigger home and giving donations not rewarding bad behavior? There are so many single mothers out there that need help. Why Nadya? She made her bed and she should lie in it.


Emily Callaghan   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

There is a big difference between being "intelligent" enough to earn a bachelor's degree and being mentally stable. I know plenty of people who graduated from college who are totally off their rockers.


diane from sarnia, ontario, canada   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

i think that nadia suleman is an absolute head case, and that the state of california should take custody of all 14 of the children.


Penny   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

The media needs to move on and let Nadya raise her children. Just because she has decided to be a single mother and raise a large family people think she is crazy. I give her alot of credit for not having an abortion. If all these media people and viewers would find it in there heart to stop all this negative talk and let her do her job of being a mother. It shouldn't be up to Kaiser to decide where she lives with her children. If Nadya had a husband she wouldn't have all this negative press. Being a single parent is a job in itself, but there are alot of single mom's out there and our kids are fine. It would be so wonderful if the press would comment on how wonderful it is that all these babies are doing great. Nadya has been blessed with 14 children, most of us are not as lucky. I wish I lived near by I would love to help!


Helen Messmer   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

What happens when one or more of these babies has collick and for sure at least one will, and cries all night, who will tend to the needs of the other 6 or 7? And what happens if one of the older children with special needs puts the infants in danger?


Ken   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

How can someone justify having anymore kids when they already have 6 kids and wouldn't there be a possibilty of child neglect with a total of 14 kids


Jane from IL   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Why cant she put the 8 babies up for adoption? They could even allow the "identical twins" to stay in the same home TOGETHER. (if there are twins)
There are many qualified mothers out there that cannot have babies naturally and would have the money, love and a homelife that would be better for these kids than going into a welfare home with 14 kids!
Agreements can be made to allow them to see their other siblings while growing up. Just an idea......


Denise   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Why does Gloria Allred always end up in the middle of high profile cases?


Margie   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Nadya Suleman

Dr. Phil step up and help get her kids taken away from that crazy woman!!!


Kelli from Tampa   February 27th, 2009 9:35 pm ET

Ed up there- reality check pal...come down and see how many women and children are in homeless shelters in this country. Because only 40% of ex husbands pay child support. You think it is right to bring children in the world to have them starve to death? Come down to the homeless shelter I work in...or any homeless shelter in this country...THE FASTEST GROWING POPULATION OF HOMELESS IN THIS COUNTRY ARE CHILDREN. (SINCE AT LEAST 2001).


GRAM23   February 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

She will be able to keep her children if she will work with CPS, DCFS,ANGELS IN WAITING . If she wont I think she will lose them. It is her choice


Karen   February 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

While Nadya no doubt deeply loves each of her children, in my opinion, she lacks a true understanding of the selfless nature of love. She has NOT learned from her past actions. She is an unemployed mother of six who on FOUR occasions before the birth of her octuplets CHOSE to have invitro fertilization with no real ability to provide a stable home for even one child. She expects OTHERS to step in and willingly provide what she cannot. In particular, she seems to have a callous disregard for all that her mother has done for her children. I don't blame the taxpayers of California for being incredibly upset at the selfishness of Nadya Sulemon and the lack of professionalism of the fertility specialist. We should all be most concerned about the 14 innocent victims in this sad drama.


cheryl strehle   February 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

I was the oldest of 7 children and thus thecaretaker of my brothers and sister. It was an all consuming job. There was little nurturing.

As a teacher with 35 years teaching experience, the hardest job I ever had was teaching an autistic child. I was so overwhelmed, I resigned after several weeks.

It is one matter to feed and clothe children; it is another job to provide individual bonding with each child. I do not see any of these children receiving the nurturing that will enable to become secure and happy children. It is emotionally impossible.


robin kosmala   February 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

Ok, too many chiefs in the kitchen...This is still America, she doesnt have to have transparency, yet!!! Where the hell is her attorney, there are alot more issues to this than just Nadia compulsion...where is that/her Doctor, where was his professional standards!!!! Oh Russia move over here comes America!!!


Jane Mann, LCSW   February 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

God bless Nadya. Every day of my life I thank my parents for having 6 of us. We lived in a 4 room apt. in Park Slope, Brooklyn, but didn't know we were poor. Our parents sacrificed so that we could have each other! Now that our parents are gone, we are so grateful to be a big family. Their unselfish sacrifices made that possible. I am a psychotherapist and my siblings are successful professionals. We have families of our own and big houses. If everyone who has heard about Nadya sent her a dollar a year with no strings attached, she'd be fine too.

My mother was an R.N. who was put in foster homes in 1915 and separated from her brothers when her father died, there was no welfare and women didn't work outside the home. Separation from her mother left her deeply wounded. She may have healed herself by having us, but we are the beneficiaries.


chris   February 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

This is the third day in a row I've seen Dr. Phil doing Nadya shows and he has yet to ask the pertinent questions; it's just a rehash and a reshowing of what we've already seen. How will the Kaiser bill be paid, how did she pay for IVF, the plastic surgery she denies she had, who will pay for the house that is going to be leased, the nurses, etc. Victor is not making sense.....Nadya is being offered housing and nursing care by Angels in Waiting and he's waffling that he cannot make a meeting with them because Kaiser is "sucking" up all of his time; gee, he must have lots of other resources to pay for everything then if he can turn down the AIW offer; I'm glad Gloria Allred is involved and if Victor is worried about her, it just makes me think there's more to hide that he does not want people to see.


Rasha   February 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

Nadya's case is going to urge officials to impose regulations and not just guidelines when it comes to how many embryos to be planted in an IVF. and when it comes to Tax payers money, could somebody explain how it is ok for tax payers to pay for the living expenses of drug dealers, criminals and first degree murderers when serving in prison but it is a big No to pay for the well being of these kids. At the end, we all end up paying for the mistakes in our society; it is our part of amending it.


Suzie   February 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

Where does one start with this situation.

What happened to one being responsible for their choices?

With all these interviews, when does she even have time to be a "mom" to her 6 at home? Is she ever home? She already has free babysitting for the 8 in the hospital.

It's not that I wish bad but I'm sick of all these bleeding hearts that are enabling her. Especially the gullable ones that will end up being surrogate caretakers by paying her way. She'll become her own charitable organization and people will get tax deductions for aiding and abetting.

I say let her take care of them and really experience to joy's of motherhood.

Oh, and if she ever had a TV show and I had to listen to that whiney, screechy voice for an hour I would die. Just watching her talk makes me ill. And her oh so eloquent vocabulary and manner of speaking is so phoney.

She is just lovin' all the attention....and the donor wants to get involved to share in the hype and "fame" too.

What happened to "you made your bed, now lay in it" ???

There are people that need LEGITIMATE help!!


Lynn   February 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

I believe she did this in hopes that the outcome would be exactly what had happened for attention, and financial gain and I do not believe she should be rewarded for costing tax payers a fortune for her selfishness and stupidity. Yes the children need to be taken care of and there are a lot of people with money that cannot have children that would be able to provide for them. this women makes me sick. She should not be allowed to take those babies home and the docter that inplanted those babies should have to pay for the docter bills those babies end up costing, not the tax payers


Rhonda Lisle   February 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

It takes a village to raise a child. It takes more than a village to raise octuplets, under any circumstances. It may take a nation to help raise 14 kids, the oldest being 7 years old. I am a kindergarten teacher. I take care of all the kids in my care, regardless of their circumstances. It really doesn't change the reality of their being to debate how they got here. The time to debate "if" in this case is past; now it is time to figure out "how." The mother of these children is the mother unless she or the state terminates her rights. All the commentary needs to figure out how to be supportive of her now, take care of the kids, and work for the best possible outcome. What I hear is a lot of sensationalism instead of a common sense approach to taking care of these kids, along with their mother. All these condescending attitudes are irritating, if not downright maddening, to say the least. Come on folks...we're better than this!


cindy   February 27th, 2009 9:36 pm ET

we are not complaining about the children, we are complaining about the scam artist mother. she is not uneducated, look at her interviews, she lies everytime she opens her mouth.

i would help these kids in a heartbeat, but NOT her.


Ronda   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Hey, lets stop making Nadya out to be a villian! She is clearly a loving person who loves her children. I agree that she has made an irresponsible decision to be a single mother to 14 children, but as Lara Spencer stated...here we are... and we should move forward. Lets HELP her! Clearly she needs help, yet she is afraid to take the offers of the likes of Gloria Alred because the media has turned her (Nadya) into a monster, therefore, she has to be afraid that people are trying to take her children from her. It is amazing that our society would treat this woman as though its the ultimate crime to accept public assistance or taxpayer money to help with her children, yet when the criminals on Wall Street made irresponsible and wreckless decisions that have cost families their entire livelyhoods, we gave them financial BAILOUTS...with no recourse! Nadya needs both a humanitarian and a financial bailout. Lastly, Dr. Phil, between you and Oprah, I know you've given out your share of bailouts...cars for your entire audiences, or other giftbasket goodies to boot. So, while I appreciate your concern for her, I wish you would be more constructive in your approach. Sure its appropriate to let her know her decision was irresponsible, but now move on. You're a doctor...use your platform to help her become a better parent and keep her family together. Please stop butchering her. If I had the means, I would go to Nadya personally and help her.


Julie   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

What is wrong with this guy. busy Victor – what is Nadya doing?. This is insane. Why would Victor and Nadya cop an attitude to accept this offer free.. They don't have a plan. These CHILDREN are preemies. This women obviously does not have her CHILDRENS best interest. Why didn't you have VIctor and Gloria on the same time.
There ismore to this that finding a safe home for these children. Victor and Nadya are trying to make money. These poor poor children.


Janice Wambold   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

I also want to know how she got to spend all of her student loans on "her family" and not to the school she was attending in order to get her masters. If there's nothing wrong with spending the loan money any way you feel like it then why don't we all apply for these loans and use them to help our own families. Wha't wrong with that picture I ask????


Karen   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

I have an added comment .....I watch you Dr.Phil and I am truely surprised and you that you did not have the father on your show and reem him a new back side for not taking responsiblity for what he has done.........these new babies need to be but up for adobtion to loving caring homes that cant have babies....the others need to be taken away from Nadia...there should be "NO-WAY" she should ever get a book deal or movie deal out of this . and she shopuld be put into a Dr. care for the rest of her life and be given a hysterectomy....NO MORE BABIES EVER>>>>>>>>>


Pat   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Where is all the concern for the domestic violence women with children? Where is all the concern for the homeless? Where is all the concern for the ones that have lost their jobs? Where is all the concern for the working man and woman? How does this family go six months without making a house payment and others are out after two or three months?
Just because you kiss and hug your children on camera does not make you a loving parent. Plus having your house look like Toys R Us does not make you a good parent.
Nadya and her parents are the typical tax payer burden and so want to be TV stars.
Whatever organization/company helps this woman I will boycott and since I have never been a "Dr" Phil watcher he will be an easy boycott.
Her choice, her children, her place to support them.


S   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

I believe God is letting us play out every senerio possible before he intervines.
What she did is SO wrong!! I am one of the 20% taxpayers who pay 80% of the taxes, I know the goverment will step in to some compacicity and I resent it! We have set an example that if you need government help, just so something like this.
The world is overpopulated and she is so selfish and self centered she doesn't see, ( or refuses to) what is so wrong about this.
The kids should be placed with loving parents, not her!!
This has become a joke for our society.
STOP focusing on her!!!


joanne osinkowski ontario canada   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

I feel very sorry for Nadia's parents they are the ones who's lives are being turned upside down and financially drained all because of their sellfish mentally unstable daughter.


rod   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

I think the best thing for these children is they are given the chance to be adopted by a caring family,and given a chance in life.There is no way she can provide for these children.Giving money will not help .They will need love and attention .The children she has now don't have it.If she loved her children she wouldn't have had these 8 children.


Paul Stanley   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

If I say "I made a poor decision and ran up to much on my credit card"

Will people take care of my bill for me?


Emily Callaghan   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

her rep says he "hasn't had time" to look into the Angels in Waiting offer!?! That is the most important offer to her so I don't buy his excuse.


Heather   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

I myself am a single mom of 4 children working and going to school full time. I realize that Nadya has made some questionable decisions concerning the size of her brood, and now will have to be supported by the taxpayers in the long run. A sad and unfortunate situation.
I still find this young woman to be quite an inspiration. Her love for her children is obvious. She loves motherhood, and her children with such a passion! I think she is still in the major post pardum stage and reality hasn't really set in yet. I just don't think she is really seeing the big picture. Those sweet little children will all eventually become teenagers each competing for her attention. I think it is a very sad situation. I would like to contact Nadya to offer my support, she seems to be a good mom at heart and in her over board way I think she really does mean well for these kids.


Samantha   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

I simply can not get past the idea that this woman will receive so much financial assistance for her selfishness. What a large injustice to single woman fighting to make ends meet all over the country, and she willing entered into this struggling situation.


Pamela   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

Can anyone talk in circles better than this woman???


Dennis   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

The woman needs some professional mental help; and the doctor responsible for the fertility treatments should not be practicing medicine.
We taxpayers are going to be paying for this woman's selfish actions for years.


Kim   February 27th, 2009 9:37 pm ET

This woman apparently has a mental problem. I believe those children DO NOT belong with her. She's not capable of making the right decision or making the decision right. We need to think of those children. Give them to someone who cannot have children and who can provide for them without having to rely on taxpayers money. There are many couples out there who would love to adopt these children. Octomom is exploiting these children for profit. I think the only person that really makes sense is Octo's mother. She seems to understand the reality of all this. Is she the only one telling the truth?? I believe the best solution is to adopt these children out and to get Nadya the help she needs.


Sandy   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

Leave this girl and her children alone. Since when is it ok to get involved with how many children a woman has. Women had 13 and 16 children back in the 40's and 50's and 60's. She may have made a bad decision; however, those babies are here now and everyone needs to respect that. No one took babies away way back when they had 13, 15 and 16 kids. What's the difference other than she had 8 at one time. Everyone needs to be supportive of her now and lend her a helping hand. John and Kate get a TV show for having all their kids... this girl gets grief from the public and press. It's no one business as long as she cares for the children. Most people get help... so why can't she get help without all the criticisim. Anyone else having a bunch of babies at once gets help without all this adverse attention. Better leave her alone before she snaps and does something bad to herself from all the pressure and criticisim. She only said she wants another child to irritate everyone further since they're all irritated because she had 8 at once. Furthermore, this is more the Doctor's fault than hers as far as I'm concerned. Leave her alone and give her the help she needs for those children's sake. No do not take these babies away from her either.


kristen   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

Is anyone else appalled that Dr Phil is going out there defending her.
Unbelievable!?


Jilly   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

I do not agree with what Nadia did but I am very concern about the kids a about her getting a nervous breakdown with all of the media circus and taking care of the current 6 kids.


Cory   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

John & Kate +8 didn't get this kind of reaction, they got a tv show! Get a life people. I watch the news to be informed, not to be bombarded by tabloid gossip. What is even happening outside of this? Did N. Korea test that missile? How many people were killed today by Mexican Drug cartels? What about our troops overseas? I can't find a decent cable news channel these days, mabey I'll move to Canada to escape this constant dumbing of prime-time news slots!


Tracy from British Columbia Canada   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

I am the parent of a child who has fought cancer for the last 16 months. I am not a single mom, I have a husband and I also have an 8 year old son. Once a child is sick, or ill, everything known as "normal" literally is lost.
With the octuplets having health issues all ready, I can only begin to imagine what is comming. Raising children is not easy. Raising one child with an illness is very difficult. Raising that many children, with even ONE child having health issues is going to be so hard. I truely hope and wish the best for those children and their mum.

Tracy Sheepwash


Robin   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

If Casey Anthony is the left wing extreme of narcissistic behavior, then Nadya Suleman is the right wing extreme of narcissistic behavior, both extremes result in hurting the child/children involved


sam pyke   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

hi doctor phil i beleive that she had the surgerys to fixs here face is to get ready for this [ stardom ] and that is why she had the baby because thats the only way she was to get herself there. THANK YOU


Danielle   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

I just feel that this woman really made a terrible mistake how could she even think that it was okay to implant those 8 embryo's. Expectially when her living conditions didn't even look like they were safe for the children that she already has...Secondly the names she choose were biblical why is this for sympathy from those of the people in our nation that attend church...


Lori   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

P.S. Could we quit calling her Octumom? It sounds like a sci-fi character. She's not an Octopus! It dehumanizes her. Lori P.


Ellen from Canada   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

This is child abuse! She is turning down 24/7 help?! What the hell is she thinking? She is begging for help and it gets offered to her and she turns it down!! I smell a money hungry, very selfish woman here. She is thinking of her life style and not having her babies being cared for. This woman will be a millionaire within months. She wants her own reality show for crying out loud! Cameras and media all around....something she said on your interview that she didn't want. She is a bold face liar!! All she wants is the money! She out getting a manicure when she should be at home or at the hospital with her children. Having 14 children, you are not going to have manicured nails if you are going to be busy cleaning, feeding, playing and taking care of a house. And it's obvious she had plastic surgery done to her face.....where did she get the money for that?! She has her priorities backwards!!


Barbara Frady-Scranton   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

I am still so disturbed by this! Please look into taking these children away!
Barb – Lincoln, NE


Marie   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

The state needs to step in and remove all 14 children for this instable woman. She does not possess the responsibility that goes with being a good parent, if she did she would not have had that many kids in the first place.

I was married and knew what our capabilities were of supporting a family. She does not have the common sense to see the harm she is doing to these kids. She believes all that is needed is love, which is only a part of being a good parent.


Linda   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

I am outraged by this situation, this woman does not have the best interest at heart for these children, these are high risk children, there is no other word for this woman except selfish. If this woman had the means to support all these children then that would be fine, but the fact that she is unemployed and the government is probably going to pay for this bothers me A LOT! I do not want my taxes that I worked for to pay for this womans wants and needs, also there are now 14 children there is no way that one person is going to give 14 children all the love and attention they deserve not to mention as they get older and need to be disciplined, are we looking at 14 future criminals Does these mean that anyone who wants to have a litter of kids can have them and rely on taxpayers to support them. I have children as well but I am not receiving assistance from the state to support them, the way we will have to pay for all these kids, not to mention she is inconsiderate to her parents These children need to be removed from the home and given to families who can give them the love, attention, and means to support them. This woman is a joke, the fact that obviously she is not mentally all there, whose to say these children will not have emotional or mental problems because of her. She needs mental help.


David Thompson   February 27th, 2009 9:38 pm ET

ok well hey lets just fill up a sperm bank and eliminat men all together fathers aren't important to a child? Mothers are all that a child needs? come on I am compassionate I just face reality. ok all who want to help her help her. But I only had 3 and was in a car accident want to help me pay my child support? When you become a burden to society you are not helping society. And Nadya I love my children more than the step dads that are raising them, but it is no just about what we want. I think losing your kids is just the smack in the face you need. I know it sure helped me face reality.


Elsie   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

I wish Nadia nothing but the best. As a mother myself I could understand how overwhelming.However, I believe she can do it. Remember our parents parents had 15, 16, 17 children and they made it. I believe we all can assist and stop the finger pointing. Taht is what is wrong in this country. Lets help one another. I believe her mother is rude and so cold. A mother should be more warm. Good luck Nadia.


dot   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

I believe that children are God's gift but everybody should be aware that God did not say have kids that you know that you can't take care of. I am a working class parent with more that one job and I am still unable to provide my three young kids with most necessary things they need (not whatever they want). I don't see how a person with three jobs will cater for fourteen little kids (not to talk of someone without a job) without relying on publc assistance or some other forms of help from other sources. This society is morally bankrupt that people will seek any means to become a somewhat celebrity with a thought of possible commercial gain ( book/movie deals) at the expense of the innocent little children.
To ensure that those kids do not suffer now and in the future, they should be given up for adoption to those who love children and who can take good care of them. Those kids did not come by mistake, they were well planned for reasons best known to their mother and the fertility doctor that made this happened.


Mike Kelly (Louisville, KY)   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

I am a dwm 47 no children and on disability for severe depression. I recently went thru 12 electrroconvulsive therapy bilateral session and still suffer from severe depressions. I have tried to get on the Dr.Phil show numerous times but no luck what is the trick to getting on the Dr Phil show?


Tamara Daniels-Stephens   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

Dr.Phil, what is Pollyanna? and if this women suffers from this, why do you want to make her worse....I hope your behind her,reguardless of the amout of children, Dr.Phil if you say you care for children, don't say they should be taken away from her, those that say that are crazy....yes that's right, here in Canada there's a healthcare system for all that need it, everyone, high time the states get with the same program.....this women deserves her children no matter how she had them, hold the Doctor responsible too, he knew the circumstances.....I don't want to have to stop watching your show Phil, be a good Dr.Phil.


S. Smith   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

Nadia is not being honest yet. She now claims she only wanted one more child and would not have used the remaining embreyos had she not implanted all eight. Who is paying for this new home? Why help this selfish, manipulative spoiled woman? Why not help the homeless families that recently were profiled on the Oprah Show? There was a family with 2-3 children that were married and lost there jobs that are in danger of losing there children if they remain homeless for much longer. Nadia wants help to take care of her children untill she finishes school and finds a job. How long will she be receiving this help and what if she can't find a Job? What do I have to do to get room and board while I go to school? This woman is not emotionally or mentally responsible, let alone financially able. She and the sperm donar should be the only ones paying for everything just like most parents that have children by choice. I am an only child also but I would want my child to have the best life possible.


Katherine   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

Other young women who give birth to children for whom they can not care make the difficult choice to place them in loving adoptive families. Nadya is already over her head and beyond her resources caring for the six very young children currently at home. Voluntarily allowing the babies to be adopted could prevent them from being placed in foster care which I see as the logical outcome.


thomas Rhoads   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

Let's pass out the scarlet "A"s and everyone who ever made a bad decision has to wear one for all to see. I think its disgusting how the media has exploited this mother. If all the networks as well as the anchors and reporters donated a portion of the money they make off this familys dilema her and her kids wouldn't have to worry about a thing, but then there wouldn't be any story for you to make your money would there? Maybe one of her kids will grow up and deliver a real contribution to society, unlike all the people with stones in their hands, and that includes you Dr. Phil, while were at it, maybe Oprah could donate a mini van, isn't she in "your" circle of friends?


sara   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

Do you think the mother ready for this responability both economically and mentally


cindy   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

thank you, thank you JOHN, I hope they read your comment on the air.


Motherly Love   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

I have two words for Nadya MENTAL/DEPRESSED. I am a single mother of two ages 6 and 2. I would love to have more children but with this economy and the uncertainty of job security I could not imagine taking on additional responsiblities. There is a reason that daycare have teacher to student ratios. The ratio is for the best care for the children. Nadya clearly was not thinking clearly when SHE decided to have additional children after the six. And therefore, I think the State should take her children until she throughly evaluated. It is the upmost neglect.


dawn   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

the dr. that did the implant needs to be the one that pays for everything they will need, even the nurses care after they are released, and while they are in the hospital, thats what i think.


marci   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

I cannot that she thinks she can support these children with no home, no money and the mental issues she is dealing with. It is no wonder her parents are losing their home, they tried supporting the 6 children.


rainey   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

did she ever think that it would be dangerous for her and her babies to have all those children at the same time and that it would be horible for her six plus children to live with no mother?


Bonnie White   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

She is sick, she cannot even take care of the 6 childred she already had and then has 8 more. She did this for the attention. How is the world is she going to support them, she isn't, the taxpayers are. All of her children should be taken away from her immediately. There are a lot of people out there that cannot have children that would love to adopt a child. She has no business with any of these children. You can tell that by listening to her interviews. I do not blame her mother for not helping, she has already raised the other 6. If you can't aford to raise a child then you should not have it. She did not get pregnant by accident, she did it all intentionally. If she is not accepting help how is she paying for this house they are trying to locate for her and her children to live in. Not working how does she pay the rent and utilities, has she won the lottery or does she have the goose that laid the golden egg, She only cares about her self and does not care about the children at all. Take the children and sew her up so she will not do this again!!!!


Barbara Moore   February 27th, 2009 9:39 pm ET

HOGWASH to Dr. Phil and all the naysayers trying to milk publicity from this story! Everyone seems to be blinded to the fact that the mom is a truly giving, loving human being who just happens to not have alot of money. So, this story is ALL ABOUT THE MONEY! If she won the lottery this would be all about how wonderful she is. She is no different from saints and other kind people without much money throughout history who took in numerous, if not hundreds, of orphans and/or needy children, or Mormons and others who traditionally raise large families, and so on. I myself would have LOVED to have had 14 or even 20 kids! This is shameful yellow journalism to the nth degree. Dr. Phil, and those like you, you SUCK! Why don't you do something positive for these wonderful little children, instead of helping to spread more poison?


TIM   February 27th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

IT IS TIME FOR THE MEDIA TO LEAVE THIS WOMAN AND HER CHILDREN ALONE. THE ATTENTION SHOULD BE FOCUSED ON THE IRRESPONSIBLE PHYSICIAN WHO MADE THIS POSSIBLE. I AM WAITING TO SEE IF DR. PHIL INTERVIEWS HIM AND PUSH HIM INTO ADMITTING THAT HE MADE A BAD DECISION. HER DECISIONS WERE MADE UNDER THE CARE AND GUIDENCE OF HER PHYSICIAN. THIS PHYSICIAN SHOULD BE SUED FOR MALPRACTICE. THE CHILDREN ARE HERE NOW, STOP ATTACKING HER AND HER CHILDREN. DIDN'T WE JUST BAIL OUT WALL STREET AND THE AUTO INDUSTRY. SO WHY THE CONCERN ABOUT BAILING OUT A SINGLE MOTHER AND HER CHILDREN.


tj   February 27th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Dr Phil is just trying to get ratings, he is getting a lot of free puplicity out of all this even though it does make him look like a vulture. Natia once she gets tired of the cameras and gets enough money will say, take them, I can not do it. I would bet on this.


Ed - Sidney, OH   February 27th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

I have'nt had a car in 6 years can anyone help me or do I need to get more attention my having 14 kids?


Julie   February 27th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

i would ditto everything that Deborah[Feb 27] says, except to slightly re-word one thought, and that is that Nadya does not have even so much as one molecule of regard for her parents, especially her elderly mother, considering that it is likely her mother which does most of the work in caring for all of the children. It seems to me that in Nadya's mind, all 14 children are more so the siblings she never had, and in one of the interviews, it sounds like she's trying to guilt her mother into caring for all new little relatives that Nadya produces.
Just my humble opinion.


kelly greeson   February 27th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

She had 9 MOS. to think about this and how can she have nothing set up or planned at this point. That alone tells me what was she thinking and where were they going to sleep. She is so immature. Her talking to her mom like that threw me over the edge wiht her. She shows her mom no respect and but where would she be w/out her mom. I hope she has all her kids taken away from her.


Joe whoknows   February 27th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Find a way to what, "inner strength" to feed all 14 kids? Something's wrong with this woman. Let Pres. Obama bail you out, too, Nadia instead of begging from your website.


Kristine Melander   February 27th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

First, I feel this is a very sad situation. I feel sorry for Nadya. She is really taking a beating in the media and with the public. I think this is a sad story. Our society is so quick to judge. Everyone is more concerned about what their neighbor has and what their neighbor is doing. I think everyone should just mind their own business! If you don't have anything nice to say, then, just don't say it.
I also must say that we have to be very careful when we are talking about "tax payer dollars". There are numerous programs that we as a country support because we are a country with heart. If we are to criticize Nadya (by the way I think that octumom is a horrible label to put on her), then we must also talk about the millions of single moms that have babies and enroll in the welfare program. If we judge Nadya then we must jusdge "them" all.
Now, I do not think that Nadya's decision was a wise one, but, it was her legal right to make, and she has to live with it.
What it will cost tax payers is irrevelant. Who cares! When I hear about the millions of dollars given away to keep the wealthy well off. And, I hear about the millions and millions of dollars of waste – this is just a drop in the bucket. Lashing out at this woman is NOT going to solve this country's economic woes. There is no constructive criticism there. If anything, it is a perfect diversion for our lovely politicians, to throw more tax dollars at the wealthy and to fund more foolish projects.
I wish you well Nadya. If I had the ability to help you I would. Take care.


Tim J   February 27th, 2009 9:40 pm ET

Why should Americans be asked to foot the bill for Nadya’s poor decision making? There are many working Americans who cannot afford their own medical insurance, and now their tax dollars are going to be given to this nutjob. Why does she feel the need to constantly go back to receive in vitro treatments, she’s already had 6 children many of the other who are forced to go through the in vitro process would have counted themselves lucky to have had even one child. She could have donated the embryos to a woman who could not produce eggs, and thereby not wasted the embryos, and still not have created her own basketball team. Mr. Munoz said she recently turned down help, I don’t suppose that means she’ll be paying back the disability money, or the food stamp money, or the free medical care, anytime soon.


Edie   February 27th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Dear Dr. Phil,

We are all concerned for these 14 children, but America is calling the mother Octo-Mom & the children a mistake. Don't we realize that one day these children will read & hear these embarassing comments? And how will this affect their future? Concern is good, but let"s be compassionate.


mary   February 27th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

For Heaven sake give Nadya a break!!! Why are we forgetting where it all started!! Some crazy doctor did this to her for not following the rules, she only needed two at a time not 6 embroys at one time. That dr is sick and he should not be treating people he needs help.


NTurley   February 27th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

I'm not sure who I am more disgusted by Nadya or the people donating money, clothes and such to her. I understand the desire to help the children but it's still rewarding her irresponsible behavior. The choice to have these kids while she is unemployed is beyond comprehension-especially when she is trying to care for 6 more. ALL of these children should be taken away from her and adopted out-then you can dontate money and clothing to those families.


Roz from Atlanta GA   February 27th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Dr. Phill, Nadya is living a lie. She is not weighing the responsibility that comes with the caring of these children. Further more, she acts and behaves like one with schizophrenia. Has an answer and explanation for every thing. She just is not real. I would recommend Psych therapy for her before those kids are given to her. I am a nurse for over 30 years and is not wrong about this one. People will call it postpartum depression later and after the fact.


he   February 27th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Dr. Phil,
Ms. Suleman seems to me, to be a spoiled brat who wants what she wants. Although you seem reluctant to state what many see, Ms. Suleman has some deep mental control issues.
Yes, her determination is very evident but that does not make her a
mentally stable parent. I know you are trying desperately to pull the nation's heart strings to donate to her. I do feel for those children. However, in all the "repeated" interviews that you are showing, she has changed her story and seems like a manipulative person. She has been enabled by her family, and allowed to create this situation. She is a smart lady who knows exactly what she is doing. I hope for her children that all of your pleading will pay off for the children.
Your audience, Dr. Phil is not stupid.


David Thompson   February 27th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

Sometimes the most love that you can show is if you love someone let them go. If they don't come back it wasn't meant to be. My x's wanted to go and I let them don't mean I don't love them and want the best for them.


debbie stewart   February 27th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

I think that this woman is ill, mentally, and that she needs help. So for everyone who is feeling sorry for her, then I feel sorry for you guys. And another thing, she does not look like Angeline Jolie, both of them are not pretty at all, so I don't understand what the fuss is all about , Angeline being beautiful, because she isn't, and neither is that nut case. Beautiful, is Beyonce' Knowles


Wendy   February 27th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

I watched this very selfish so-called mother on your show Dr. Phil and she wrapped herself around you like a snake. If you had any physiological sense at all you would council her to take the offer from Angels In Waiting. NO MOTHER IN HER RIGHT MIND OR WHO TRULY LOVED HER CHILDREN WOULD HAVE TURNED DOWN THAT OFFER. How could you have the nerve to help her get donations-I find it disgusting. Do you really think you can convince the intelligent people on planet earth that you are only involved in this for the children. You are very sadly mistaken. You are in this for your own publicity. I hope you will re-evaluate your motives Dr. Phil.


sue r   February 27th, 2009 9:41 pm ET

DR PHIL,
I am seriously concerned that OCTOMOM has pulled off one of the biggest welfare SCAMS. It hurts to see this happening when there are so MANY children who need so much help. She can WEED RIGHT THROUGH al the help thats being offered to her, because she knows that lots of help and money will be rolling in. Dr PHIL---How can you ask so many people to help her when so many people in our country are going through such hard times. I'm appalled at this. who is caring for the children while she is on the tv all the time.?????? My PRAYERS ARE ONLY WITH THE CHILDREN. SHE IS AIMING TO BE FAMOUS. GOD HELP OUR CHILDREN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

PS How many of us can afford the manicures etc.... that she can now afford !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


KIm   February 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

My husband and I had a "micro preemie" 3 years ago. I cannot even imagine going through the entire experience by myself. Our little girl was 1 lb 13 ozs when she was born. When we brought her home 2 months later, we told that because she was so tiny that we could not take her out in public, except for doctor's appoints. We could not have children over and we had to make sure that any adults that came over had not been sick, or they could not come in the house. It was almost like house arrest. We had to keep her home from November to the end of March. Because we followed the doctors orders we now have a healthy 3 year old ! I can't imagine how she is going to take care of these 8 preemies, along with her older kids. Preemies require much more care than full term babies. I think she should put those babies up for adoption to a loving family. I was an only child also, but I did not have the desire to have 14 children!


shelley   February 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

This is an obviously immature woman who has acted like a bratty teenager on national television arguing with her mother and anyone else who dares to question the decision to have another eight children over and above the six she already has. Her decisions and her behaviou display such immaturity in terms of being able to share her love and provide for them.It is quite scary that these fourteen innocent little kids are going to be in her care. Now that she finds herself in this situation she is defiant in not admitting the gravity and this again displays her immaturity.


Gladys   February 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

I don't have a problem with supporting these children, but I have a problem with them living with Nadya. Her house right now shows you the state it will be in a few weeks after the octuplets come home. She is not able to manage her six kids. How is she going to manage these 8?

Think about it, the feeding, laundry, toys, developmental activities, sanitation. it is all too much. She is too disorganized to manage the burden.


Alice Easterlund   February 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Nadya is a selfiish person without considering the life these babies will have. She cannot even support herself and is in no position to raise 6 babies, much less 8 more. Babies deserve a quality life without looking for others to support her decisions. It is not a question of giving life to every possible cell that could turn into a human being, as she said in arguing with her own mother. It is a mistake to take the action she took to turn the potential life into reality. Now she must consider what is best for these individual babies. Adoption is a better way for the babies welfare to survive and thrive in this world.She is not a fit mother to raise all these children.


Cheryl   February 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

It is obvious Nadya needs counseling but I worry about the lynch mob mentality against her. She is being tried and hung by the court of public opinion. Everyone seems to think she planned to have 8 more children. The chances of her having 8 children from the 6 implants were astronomical. They also want her children taken away from her. Unless she is too mentally unstable to raise the children, we would be punishing Nadya, her children, and her family.
I have heard a lot of angry comments that she is spending money on manicures and plastic surgery. There are plenty of ways to give money, clothing, personal items, to the children without giving money directly to Nadya. Maybe the invitro fertilization doctor who so carelessly and recklessly helped bring these children into the world could support them ? Where is he ? Why won't he come forward and answer some of the tough questions that Nadya has had to answer ? Why has the press left him alone? If it were any other situation wouldn't the press be outside his door begging for a comment ?
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Terry Nigh   February 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

I am upset about this story because the Octomom used School Loans to pay for taking care of her kids and her doctor bills! How will she pay this back? She should give the money back if it was not used for her schooling! I feel this is illegal. California has no money, but we support a mom of 14 to raise her kids, and the money was taken from school funding. No wonder California has no money!


THERESA   February 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

THIS NADYA IS A VERY SELFISH PERSON ONLY THINKING OF HERSELF. SHE HAS 6 KIDS, CANNOT AFFORD THEM, NO JOB, NO HUSBAND TO HELP HER OUT & YET, SHE HAS 8 MORE! IT DOESN'T MATTER THAT "SHE WANTED ONLY 1MORE". SHE CAN'T DEAL WITH 1 MORE! WHAT IS HER MIND MADE UP OF.....AIR? I SHUTTER TO THINK OF THE LIVES THAT THESE 14 HAVE TO LOOK FORWARD TO. THIS WOMAN NEEDS HELP, & NOT ONLY WITH HER CHILDREN. SHE SHOULD BE PUT IN JAIL!!


jeanne   February 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

How do you expect the viewers to suspend common sense and believe that the "dedication" of an obviously impaired person will overcome all that is before her. No one asks her real questions that face women all over the world everyday. Mothers struggling with finances do NOT go and get $35. nails done, new make-up and clothes and plastic surgery.......come on!!

Dr. Phil talks about transparency.......where is it? How much money have they collected on the website, who is paying to "lease" the big, new house? Please try to make this hour at least seem like a reality based show!

Thank you.


Unn Hentze   February 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

Please give Nadya a chance. When dr? Phil interwievd her he talked down to her, you have already made your judgement – that she will not make it. Let her try, give her help, but do not force your kind of help on her, and then if she is not good enough you interveen. I find it discusting the way you treat this mother. But it´s typicall american, always so self-righous.

You say she will not give up her parental rights, but what happends the day she dissagrees with the nurses?


Lana Wheeler   February 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

The children have to have a safe home and emotionally nourishing environment. CPS has to make sure of this if they can.

I keep noticing Nadya's mother's eyes in the interview. I don't see love and campassion in her eyes. Her mother seems detached and her expression seems unloving. Something is bothering me about this. I can't imagine asking my mother to help me with six children and not even to mention fourteen. However I don't know why I don't see love and connection between Nadya and her own mother. Why am I not hearing things like "honey, I can't help you and I love you?"

Something seems so out of balance beginning Nadya and her mother.


chris/ ohio   February 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

what i don't understand is, if this women Nadia Suleman had had one child at a time resulting in 14 children no one would even know about this person, but because she has 8 at once we are suppose to all of a sudden be concerned and help her take care of them. I feel that it's her responsibility to raise her own children.


Samantha   February 27th, 2009 9:42 pm ET

This woman is milking this for all it's worth. Did she have a plan all along??


Sandra   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Miss Allred needs to back out of this situation. She has made what seems to be a good recommendation for help through an organization, so she needs to stop being a media hog and publicity seeker and let Nadya and all who support her figure this out. Nadya's spokesperson doesn't have time for Miss Allred, and is doing the right thing by listening to healthcare professionals first and foremost.


Roger St Peter   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

I would like to know why Gloria wasted money for those lips insted of using it more responsibly for care of all the kids or help her mother get caught up on her finances since she is at least $23,000 in the hole, and she is living with her and leaching off her. How much will it cost taxpayers for her ignorance for the proper care and upbringing? It is obvious she gave it no forthought and did it for publicity and exploitation of her kids.


Tanaisa   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Dr. Phill
I'd like to hear you compare Nadya with others who have made the choices to have many children, whom you feel have done it right.
I'm trying to get a handel on what exactly your advising There are many different life styles that prove successful.

Is it right for a couple to have or want more then one child?

Can you get you children home from a hospital with-markers on the wall-a hole in the wall-and a taped vent?
(What does that have to do with taking care of children) Personal I don't live like this, but I have been in many households across "suburban America" and they live like this! This is totally normal!

Can a person go to school and child rear?
Many ministers do this! This is a very conman American behavior!

I really hope this doesn't start a trend in Hospitals to decide weather they are going to release a mothers child to her based on how well decorated the house is. Marker,tape,and even small holes the can commonly be found behind any door in American have to do with decoration.

These are not my choices. I would want and need a larger home. People lived in small quarters all the time in earlier times.
Personaly the house is messy, unorderly -not how I live-but have seen this in Middle class white America.


Reba   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

One that the offer of help,two social service threat is unfair and the public should stop judging. fourteen kids i wouldn't want two as a single parent was tough enough.,but to say you have the right to judgeis wrong. My grandmother was a mother of12 kids,and yes married but she was the main one taking taking of them yes grandpa work and off to fight the war. Yes they were poor and grandma did the raising of the children It's love and they didn't have everything they need but the basic's and they turn out just fine and good citizen. Look at the spoiled kids today,from parent who are self are not there for their kids. Get a life -Take the offer show the love and who knows Your child could be the next president, next author or whatever. don't worry about judgemental people and to the people out there take care of some of the problem in your own life.]


Dorothy Weiss   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

How was Nadya able to pay for the freezing of her embryos in the first place? Did she use her student loans to freeze them?
Obviously she was not prepared to provide a decent home for these children, it seems more like it was a whim. Nadya was saying about adoption being out of the question and outragous It really shows how outrageous she is. I think of all the unfortunate couples that are infertile or can not afford to have IVF treatments and being taxpayers will have to pay for these children, THIS IS OUTRAGOUS AND UNFAIR!


T. in South Florida   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Mom, Grandma, fourteen kids and no home or money. Her MOTHERS home is 24K behind on the house payments. The house has three bedrooms. Her mother should pack up and leave in the middle of the night.


Bonnie   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

I certainly do not condone what Octo Mom has done but let's give it a break. She gave birth to 8 children, she didn't murder 8 children. She's not a monster.
Where are the pro-lifers??? If she would have aborted them, she would have been a monster then, too!


Donna Metcalfe   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

"Four months after the birth of the Dionne quintuplet sisters in Quebec Canada, the Ontario government intervened and, in an unprecedented fashion, found the parents to be unfit for the quintuplets, and custody of the five babies was withdrawn from their parents by the Ontario government of Mitchell Hepburn in 1935, originally for a guardianship of two years. Although Oliva Dionne remained part of the guardianship, they were put under the guidance of Dr. Dafoe and two other guardians. The stated reason for removing the quintuplets from their parents' legal custody was to ensure their survival into healthy toddlers. The government realized the massive interest in the sisters and proceeded to engender a tourist industry around them. The girls were made wards of the provincial crown, planned until they reached the age of 18".

The girls were constantly put in the spotlight by their care givers and reports indicate that the move did not serve the girls or their family very well ... over the long term.

I suspect this new family needs assistance not the spotlight.


Sharon Craig   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Oh just leave the spanking out. I meant nothing bad about it.


Al Smith   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

It is my opinion that Nadya Suleman is doing the same thing that the CEO's with billions of dollars in bounces are doing...seeking a "bailout". She new from baby one that she was unemployed and living with her parents, and could not afford children. She knew that by having as many children as she could, it would make her famous and wealthy. And the media is making her plans a reality. Not to mention every agency possible is coming out of the woodwork agreeing to represent her for publicity. She has the PERFECT get rich quick scheme that seem to be working.


Jacqui Odell   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Talk about "shock and awe"! I'm shocked this woman turned down the most generous offers of help and I'm in awe of the twisted way this woman thinks! Most of us halfway normal people would have gratefully accepted such an offer in a heartbeat. To me, this screams volumes and proves to me that she is completely and totally unfit to parent even one child. What puzzles me is her ability to carry on with what she does and get away with so much. So many charges should be filed on her, but no.... she is permitted to carry on like nothing is wrong when in reality, there is a lot wrong.


Ronda   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Also...Nadya SHOULD NOT PUT HER CHILDREN IN FOSTER CARE!!! Thats a ridiculous and condescending. These are her children and she is smart and articulate enough to become a better parent. Clearly she wants to keep her children, so shift the discussion from foster care and back to how we help her keep her family in tact! Who are we to demand that she give up her children. How dare YOU. How about all the people who are ridiculing her donate $1 each. I bet we could raise enough money to take care of the children through their college graduations!


sara   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Foster care most likely the babies would not be together. What about her other children.? It clear this some mental health issue? impulsive control behavior and what about the doctor. she filling her own needs


chris   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

If you look at the approximately 4,000 posts on the message boards for Dr. Phil's show, it appears that approximately 95% of posters think Nadya should NOT be allowed to keep the 8 newborns.


Linda   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

Being taht she had mental and behavioral issues in the past, togethe with the fact than even her family eve challenge her mental health...Why is her capability and her mental health is not being put to th test?...in other words: why can they test to see if she is crazy?


Deniese   February 27th, 2009 9:43 pm ET

It seems to me that Nadya is very disrespectful to her mother. The woman who is helping her and have been there for her. She constantly making excuses for her actions and not owning up to her decision. I understand the kids are hear not but she should show her mother respect. The mother deserve it. This poor lady have went through hell helping her daughter.


Ann G   February 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

I am so tired of hearing about this woman that has no job, causing her parents to go into foreclosure, just trying to get media attention. She is getting the media to feature her worldwide on shows like Larry King, Dr. Phil, etc. Its too bad that a mother cannot see that 14 children is a ridiculous number of children for anyone to have without any husband or significant other. In fact, its more disgusting that she is refusing any help from the organization that wants to help her. Meanwhile, these stories are getting on my nerves.


Leslie   February 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

It appears that Nadya's mother and father have leant a tremendous hand, both physically and financially in raising her 6 children. ThereforeI do not understand Nadya's lack of appreciation and thankfulness toward them and why she displays such a lack of respect and gratitude. In fact, she seems to feel "entitled" to everything they have done, to the point that she also feels "entitled" to everyone's help with her new babies. What does Dr. Phil think?


heather   February 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

I think if she can sit on government assistance than the government should make her take the help. can they do that?


Simpathetic   February 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

I find Angels in Waiting and Gloria "I'm in everything " Allred rude to ask the woman to place all that the children receive in the organization's name. They appear to see dollar signs and want it all. Help if you want to but do not ask her to put all property in your name. That is unfair and wrong. My mother had 11 and there were many families who had 16+ when I was growing up. We had a two room house, my father was rarely there and my mother had a busy and difficult life but no one threatened to take her kids or asked to assist. This lady will be ok, allow her to raise her family with the help anyone in her situation would receive. Do not try to bully her because she is a single parent.


Linda Brinkley   February 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

I would like to know who paid for the medical care of her pregnancy and delivery and hospital care, as well as where she will get the money to take care of them when they come home and thereafter. I hope it's not my tax dollars that paid for this. Otherwise, good luck to her!


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

Natalie Droud (Nadya Suleman) or what ever you call yourself now, PAY YOUR EDUCATIONAL LOANS. YOU ARE IRRESPONSIBLE! I paid mine which were a lot more than yours! By the way, I am in the field. You will NEVER make enough money to pay for your children. Again, delusional!

Oh Yes, having plastic surgery and I.V.F. while collecting from California’s welfare system! Now that sounds like FRAUD to me.

In a year, you will be in prison for WELFARE FRAUD and Social Services will take away all your children. I work for social services so I have a good idea what will happen.


sandra bonnell   February 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

I'm sorry for one more negative comment, but I cannot believe that Nadya has any remorse for what she has done to her children at home and the children in the hospital. I don't want the babies in foster care I just believe she isn't clear headed. With everything that is going on I'm pretty discouraged anyway and this adds to the disbelief I'm feeling. I wish her and the kids the best


Mary   February 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

For Nadya and Victor to voice such petty complaints about Angels in Waiting, and to even think of turning them down or even making them chase, is totally OUTRAGEOUS. This whole country is in a crisis, while they snottily look a gift horse in the mouth. If they give Angles in waiting a hard time, Nadya should have the kids taken away IMMEDIATELY and placed in a real home. All of them.


Rose Szymanski   February 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

this woman used workmens comp to pay for invetro when this money should have been used to support her family this alone is a reason to take these kids from her all 14 of them. It would be cheaper to put them in foster care than to have the tax payers do it. It is going to cost millions to raise these kids foster care doesn't come close.


Pam   February 27th, 2009 9:44 pm ET

I am concerned about Octo mom's mental well being. I think she has figured out to tell Dr. Phil what he wants to hear. I am sure she still does not know the full consequences of her behavior. I hope she is check out by a psychiatrist first before these children are given to her.....


Gladys   February 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

I am not sure if anyone can answer this question for me, but is there a way, someone can bring charges against Nadya and the judge can give her probabtion for life? The probation will include no fertility treatments and psychological care.


jamie   February 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Coo -Coo and Six plus Eight How in the world will she manage ???There is something very wrong here.I feel for the 8 little ones coming home to a nut job!I wish she lived on the East coast so I could help her out!I' I just can't fathom HOW she will do it on her own !We can all just hope and pray that the little 8 ones will live a normal, healthy life ahead.


Margie   February 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Gloria Allred please follow though with CPS about the 8 babies. Their mother Nadya Suleman is so very sick. All of her kids needs to go to good homes for their safety. She is very mentally unstable.


Sarah   February 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Isn't amazing how the authorities move in fast to save puppies from puppy mills but the stand around not knowing what to do with human babies and a baby mill? If California is going to support the children – all fourteen – they should make sure that they are well taken care of, loved and protected. Nadya is not the person (and neither are Nadya's parents) to have any contact with the children. Hopefully a new loving environment and cancel out genes!


Laurie Simpson   February 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

How could anyone expect her to give up these kids..They are her's
And since when does the hospital determine wheather the parent can take their child home and to what house. When there is definitly no signs of abuse or neglect with the other children she has..
Let her be. theres alot of help out there. I would be there for her, if i didnt live so far away.


Adam   February 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Does Nadya really think she can take care of 14 children and give each successful attention?


Kelli from Tampa   February 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

I just hope some attourney out there is working feverishly to have this infertility doctor's clock cleaned...and the $ won can help provide for these innocent children.


Amy T   February 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

i think that people need to leave this poor woman alone!


Brenda Hudson   February 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

Was Ms. Alread not the same woman who said that the children should be taken away? Leave her alone and let the people who want to help her do so. I would have loved to have alarge family like that. Oh, by the way what about all the other people who have from 18 and up. I havbe even seen them on tv that were on welfare and yet did not hear the like of this.............


Jessica   February 27th, 2009 9:45 pm ET

I've already changed the channel. The government just bought 40% in a bank! Can we focus on the real issues. She's going to clowned on for awhile until some other wanna be celebrity gets pregnant or needs to go into rehab. And America wonders why we trail certain countries in intelligence and we fail to see what's coming until its right in our backyard.


Diana   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Having come from a family of 7 children with 2 parents, I am truly concerned that this woman can take proper care of these babies. We lived in a 3-bedroom home and it was EXTREMELY crowded. My parents were very loving and involved, but I know from personal experience that their was not enough of my parents time and attention to go around. I truly believe that these children should not be allowed to go home with this mother unless she is properly supervised by child welfare. The dangers for their health, safety and mental stability are too great. These children deserve the best that life and society have to give.


Jean   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Shame on the Mother and Father for airing their differences on National TV. This gives us insight on some of the dysfunction of Naydia. I also find it interesting that as news media interviews the other multiple birth families that no one ever asked what their financial situation is. In this liberal generation it is interesting that people are so judgmental of a single welfare mother. How much do you think the illegal immigrants are setting us back for?? Talk about double standard!! I wish Naydia and her 14 children God's very best.


KayEspi   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

The very fact that Nadya and her publicist turned down Gloria Allred's offer of Angels in Waiting tells me that she is looking for a GREAT Big free ride. It is my opinion that Nadya and her publicist are lying and dancing around the reasons they won't accept the offer. They should not get a dimes worth of assistance.


Carol   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

I am concerned that once this mother gets home and all the babies require so much care, she will become more unstable. This could lead her to become so bad that she would kill her children just to "solve the problem".


evelyn   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

its asham how america is pounding this girl into the ground for having 16 babies stop making her out to be the worst mom ever. im 43 yrs old and my mom had 16 children and my aunt had 21 . now theres talk by these self rightous " people with titles behind there names wanting to put these kids in the underground slave trade called the system? now thats un ethical. shes not on crack nor is she an alcoholic if she were rich would we be having this conversation about her ? i can show u some homes withe 4 kids in it thats being abused and neglected so please let this girl get herself together so she can raise her children and not set her up to fail so the media can have something to talk about.


jeanne   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

......and NOW we get to watch the "funny" view of this tragic situation, really beyond the pale as far as taste is concerned. How are we to teach our children responsibility if they see how crazy people get all the attention, etc. She should never have been on the news. With any investigation at all the hospital/doctors/family would have agreed to remove all children and get this poor soul some real help. We are watching a trainwreck, period......and I'm ashamed of all of our involvement to the detriment of 14 children and one sick mother.


Andrew Cannon   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

I thing that it's rediculous to think that someone can't raise that many children. My grandmother grew up in a family of 13 living in a stone shack with no running water and she turned out just fine. It really shows you what day we live in when someone even thinks that it is a valid argument to take the children away.


Vickie Close   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

If the the children are put into foster care, will they be seperated? If so, is that the best thing for them? I'm a mother of twins and I know the special bond they share, so if seperated, will it effect them in a negative way?


CYNDY   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

What happened to 'dad' ?? I thought he wanted to help her.

Personally I'm tired to seeing NADYA on TV....there are many
other loving parents/children in the world who need help !!

Poor little babies are so innocent and have no idea. I feel bad for them.


Samantha   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

She should not be allowed to keep the children unless she can show she is providing quality care for them. And she obviously is not doing that. By her own admission.


Chery   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

The physician should be held accountable financially for violating ethical standards in implanting all of the embryos'.


Walter   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

If someone who already had 6 dogs went to a shelter asking for 8 puppies, they would have been turned down, so how the heck can one human being possibly care for that many babies at once?

Dr. Phil,
I find your line "I care about the children" totally disingenuous. What you care about is having your name in the paper and about your ratings. You have not given me one good reason why I should help support (no, enable is a better word) this totally selfish, narcissistic, publicity seeking excuse of a mother. Sadly, there are thousands of children is unacceptable living conditions, so it's not that you care about all children, only those who can garner publicity for you. There are many famiies who have done everything right but are homeless due to unemployment in this horrible economy. Where are you voicing concern for people who are truly deserving of sympathy.

The bottom line is that Nadya is an irresponsible, out of touch narcissist who does not deserve your time or the public's money. Surely a man of your stature can find a more worthy cause than the Octo Mom.


TED   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

HOW COME NOBODY THINKS AN UNEMPLOYED MOTHER OF 14 DEMANDING A NEW HOUSE IS A BAD THING?


cindy   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

sandy

if she was paying for them all, and for all the hospital bills, most people wouldn't care. but the TAXPAYERS of California are footing the bill, the hospital on this alone is $5million, add the previous 6 pregnancies, the ivf treatments, etc. SHE HASN'T WORKED IN OVER 10 YEARS!

If she were like the duggans, (?) the on'e who have 16 kids or something, naturally, and AREN'T on government assistance, we wouldn't care.


Lisa   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

I am outraged at this woman's immaturity and her selfishness. Why isn't someone demanding a full psychological evaluation? There was a case in Kansas City, Missouri last year where an adoption was going to be rejected when the foster parent who wanted to adopt the young boy was deamed "too overweight" to care for the child. Yes, he was obese, but mobile and had parented the boy for a long time. The love and nuture was obvious and he was later granted custody. Why in the world isn't anyone demanding psychological testing of Nadya? These children will pay the price for her lonliness their whole life! It is plainly clear she is NOT stable in any sense. She sounds like such a child when she speaks. It is a crime if she is allowed to keep these children. Is the money really the biggest worry? I don't think so. The childrens emotional and psychological welfare should be the main concern. In all the coverage I have heard it is always a second concern after how is she going to pay for it. Please, would someone think about the emotional welfare of these 14 kids?


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

I think we should make her keep her word. She should NOT receive any tax monies for either herself or her children. The clinic that treated the octuplet litter mother Natalie Droud/Nadya Suleman should be sued for damages by impregnating a woman of 6 children with 6 embryos who has no money or any visible means supporting her litter of children. Since Autism is suspected to be genetic, I am sure at least one, if not more, of these 8 will also suffer from Autism.


missy willis   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

First GLORIA herself said on tv that she would like to see Nardias new borns taken away. i would not trust this lady at all. Second Nardias mother is very mean and seems to me to do nothing but throw her daugther under a bus every chance she gets. Third why cant people just leave her alone and give her a chance to raise her children. We have many people living in this country not legal and they are getting welfare money and food stamps and working and no one does nothing about it even if you call and report them. So Nardia is here legally with newborn babies and need help so lets all just think about it and wish her the best with all of her beautiful children and give the help where it is needed for her children . Remenber these children did not ask to come in to this uncareing world.


grandma kathy   February 27th, 2009 9:46 pm ET

Why did Dr. Phil not ask this question about the generous offer of free care and supplies for the children by professionals – Was there no offer of compensation? Is she holding out for the highest bidder?


Diddy Topol   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Who is going to pay for Sulumans new house.


Billy NYC   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I am so tired of hearing women say i am a single mom. In most cases they are getting public assistance. The go on Oprah and say i am raising my baby myself. They forget to say with the help of the tax payers money and all the morons in the audience stand up and applauds them. Its time to tell these irrespinsibles that it is time for some disciplin and self control. If you can't fee em don't breed em. Stop treating these epeople like heros. It 's time for our politicians to step up and tell the public this irresponsible behavior is not acceptable. The reason we have no money is because we keep taking care of the irresponsible citizens. The women with 4 babies from 3 diferent men get all kinds of help and when there children grow up they go to college for free because ther mom is a single mom. The hard working citizen gets nothing and has to pay through the nose to educate there children. Not to mentin the veterans who get to stay at filth Walter Reed arm hospital. Its time to put these third generation welfarers in jail and close the imigration gates. I have plenty more to say but i must leave for my job so the gov't can tax me and give it to the irresponsible citizedn. Don't forget to tell that moron doctor in california that he should pay for those eight babies for the next 23 years and not the tax payer.


marci   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I think Dr. Phil will lose many viewers over his postition on this one!Maybe when his pocket book starts to dindle he will reconsider his actions.


carla riccitelli   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I think you are doing great Dr. phil. this whole family needs assistance I understand all the negativity but I am ashamed of it. there are really some ugly americans out there..fo.r whatever reason these 15 humanbeings need special help. what happened to god? I am a nurse. I wish I could help. may god be with them


Kristen Hanlin   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

This story boggles my mind.
The idea of giving this woman a moment of my thought irritates me. I believe it is my thinking of the 14 children she has brought into this world that drives me to learn more about her.
And the more I learn, the more disgusted I am.
The gift of having a child is supposed to be a wonderful, loving, joyous, blessed occasion. A gift from God, so they say.
But there is nothing "Godly" about what this woman has managed to accomplish. It is the epitome of "man's" mistake.
Anyone who knows me would call me a "bleeding-heart liberal" any day of the week. But my heart cannot and does not bleed for this woman.
Since we cannot escape the media attention it receives I willing lend my name and support the fact that there is nothing in today's world that makes having 14 children, when you have no job and no means by which to support them a 'good thing'. And with the additional information revealed each day, the whole situation becomes more and more grotesque.


jayne   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Dr Phil,
No one has addressed the incredible irresponsibility of the physician who implanted 6 embryos, which is way outside the standard of care for this situation. I'm not even certain how Ms Suleman met the criteria to be considered an infertility patient at all.
I think the courts should give serious consideration to requiring child support for these children from the physician for the next 18 years, even if he/she loses his/her license.


julia ray   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

think it's absurd that a girl unmarried, unemployed with 6 children already, that certainly need 100% care from their mother should decide to have more? knowing full well she is not capable of supporting them and giving them the care they will need.living with her parents without their support, what would she have done up to now? and for her to decide she wanted more? it's just not possible to care properly for so many tiny little babies now, and through the many years ahead! did she actually think she could do this all alone?? what was in her mind? oh, i will be famous? and will get all the help i will need, everything for nothing! she is really not in her right mind and how selfish of her.oh yes! how dare anyone thing it's not right? oh yes! she can tap into her own resources and take care of it all? must say this, did she not think of what all that money she used for her lip and nose surgery, could have helped take care of some important things for the first 6 children?.she is in for a rude awakening, i feel awfully sorry for those little newborn's, and think she is a stupid girl. and must add that doctor that helped with this? should be barred from the profession.. know god will watch over these children, while she is watching out for herself! no matter how she claims she knows she has the right , i think she is not a sincere person. and slfifh.


Elinore   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Nadya is a selfish spoiled brat who has found an ingenious way to get her mother and society to take care of her. If she had a normal family she would be forced to take care of herself and children. This way, she get get the government, non-profits, etc. to take care of her and her brood. She needs help allright, but from a therapist. She is sick. I pity her children.


Delida Virgadamo   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I am tired of all this talk about whether Nadya is a mentally equipped, stable or good person. Well rounded and mentally healthy people are capable of making catastrophic mistakes too! I think that there is something inherently wrong about not wanting the very best for your children. Angels in Waiting has put an offer out there for this woman that would alleviate much of what she is about to face as a single mother of 14. Its clear what kind of judgment this woman has. Is she so self absorbed and controlling that she would risk the quality of her children's lives to micro-manage? The whole thing is deeply upsetting to witness.Why is it that no one, family , friends, doctors or lawyers alike are able to talk sense to this woman? It seems that she is able to manipulate everyone who comes in contact with her, I am so frightened for the future of her children. No matter what kind of relationship we are talking about, often times, LOVE and love only simply isn't enough.


sara   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Ronda good idea about giving just one dollar. Keeping the family together. I would also like to see counseling for the mother. There alot stress just raising children in general. Trying to raise 14 and being a single parent.


Karen Mammoth Lakes CA   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I suspect Nadya said no to the care offered by Linda and Gloria becaue Nadya is required to bring them to an unknown location and be separated from the children. I wouldn't hve a baby or two or three, and the day they are released from the hospital, turn the baby over to a stranger, in a strange place and have someone else essentially raise this baby.

Why can't Linda and her staff go to Nadya's house and provide the care they are offering where the children live?

I bet if they offered to go to her home she would accept the help.

Leave this poor woman alone about
government assistance". Do you have any idea how many illegal immigrants absolutely drain the system with welfare and food stamps and they stand in line pregnant while they can't even feed the children they have. Why in the world is it OK for them and not anyone else qualifies for the care Health & Human Services provides to every citizen, legal or not.

It doesn't really matter if anyone should have eight babies, IT'S DONE. Take it forward and truly help this woman and quit critisizing what she did. Help her with what she needs to do.

Get off your high horses and respect the fact that she did not want to terminate any of the babies in utero.

Ask Linda and Gloria to help the children in their own home, not take them to a stranger in a place that Nagya can't be in – she can't be in two places at once.


Verne   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Dr Phil, I am somewhat confused why some people think Nadia should loose her babies, if she has the help that it is going to take to take care of the children, she should keep her babies. my opinion is once they are all at home and she sees how my trouble it is going to be, her next stay in the hospital will probably be a "Histi".

my next thought is why are people concerned about the state taking care of the babies, we have been doing that forever. I am now retired, but all the years I worked my taxes paid for some single mother's child. either 14 single women with one each or one single woman with 14 what is the difference?


Alexandria   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

People are complaining about helping this lady with tax dollars but nobody is compaining about the tax dollars Obama is sending to China to kill babies. Do we seriously want to become a nation without morals? This is a courageous woman who deserves support not criticism. This woman is a hero among women. Not every woman could do what she is doing. She has my respect and deserves all of yours. The media needs to leave her alone. They only make things worse.


Joy Richards   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

WHO IS GOING TO PAY FOR THIS NEW HOUSE THE LAWYER KEEPS TALKING ABOUT?????????


C.J. Morrison   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Nadia comes across as a very needy woman who is now being bombarded by the press at a time when she should be recuperating from giving birth in a more normal atmosphere. I am sure that her hormones are still out of whack and 8 kids in the hospital and another 6 at home has got to be devastating. I think any woman who is considered as normal as can be would be handling this situation about the same. Since the kids are here I feel that for the sake of the kids, we should stop harping about how much money this is all going to cost and do the right thing for all concerned. Laws need to be passed and enforced to prevent this happening again.


Claire   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

In older times families would have around the same amount of children and be fine. Times have of course changed and things are extremely more expensive, if this woman wants to have a lot of children, what's the big deal? Yes the economy is suffering and depleting, but she is a human being. She is being picked at for reproducing!? It is what women are made to do, among other things of course. If not this, the public would be complaining that women aren't having ENOUGH babies...


Laurie   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

It seems Nadya has had a new round of collagen injections in her lips, don't you think?


Tim   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

WHAT'S NOT BEING SAID ON AIR – This issue about the nonprofit organization offering help. I saw the Attorney make her appeal several days ago on Larry King Live & I TOTALLY understand why they are reluctant to open their door to her. Anyone who chooses to make an offer on Larry King Live instead of privately is automatically suspect.

She came across as somewhat sincere...BUT definitely a spin master at best & a publicity seeker for their organization at worst. She vilified the mother by constantly repeatedly "NO help will go to the mother! It all goes to the children!" I would have done the same thing and try to bypass her completely and seek the founder of the org for less publicity-driven explanation.


Keith   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

Give the lady a chance and help and support to raise the children herself.
Why put the kids in the foster care system, when there is no threat for them at tis time.


Elaine   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I think Diana Sawyer should look other places besides KY for people that are on the "draw". I don't think we the taxpayers should keep her and her babies up. She should get a job like the rest of us. Don't get me wrong someone needs to take care of the babies and I don't believe it's the mother. She is a very selfish person.


Pearlie   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I am a single mom of 3 boys . My oldest is bi-polar and my second child has mental problems and ADHD, and speech problems . I go through alot with these two boys and there medical issues they have .I can not think what live would be with 14 babies with alot of medical problems would be like nor do i think any woman could handle that many babies on her own. If she has no job ,no money , and no home for these babies i think she should not keep them , i think they should go to someone who can proved for them .she should be allowed to visit her babies . She should be made to have herself fixed and never have anymore babies. i feel so sorry every time i see the babies on t.v that woman is sorry for what she has done to all of her children .


Allie B   February 27th, 2009 9:47 pm ET

I am genuinely concerned about the children. Unfortunately, I do not trust Nadya or her spokesperson to make decisions in the best interst of the children. I do not advocate anyone making cash donations to Nadya directly. Perhaps a trust could be set up for the children that could be managed by a third party who will ensure their basic human needs – food, clothing, and shelter – are met.

I believe that Nadya Suleman loves her children however I do not think she is emotionally or mentally fit to care for 8 infants and her older six children. Based on the dozens of interviews I've seen with her, I feel that therapy is definitely in order.

I don't think she or her current representative, Victor Nunoz., are acting in the best interest of the children. Moreover, if Nadya and Victor don't recognize that a meeting with the Angels in Waiting people to discuss the organization's very generous offer should be on their priorty list, then they are seriously off the mark. Victor tap danced around Dr. Phil's question about the AIW offer and Victor came across as disingenuous in his response.

Frankly, I'm tired of all the interviews with Nadya and think she is an opportunist and unstable. When pressed for specifics in any of the interviews, Nadya responds in generalities and doesn't come across as having a grasp on reality. She's also been caught in outright lies and lies of omissions.


April   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Leave the poor woman alone !!! If this was angelina jolie everyone would think it was the best thing going and then rush out to the nearest fertilitly clinic . If there is media out there that wants to pay this woman for her time and story then she won't need 'our' money at all will she??? I wish her all the best .


Lovemy2sons   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Dr. Phil, what are you doing?! Please use your influence and resources on someone who deserves it. You say you got involved with this for the sake of the babies and the 6 children. If this is true, then Please do What Really is Best for all these children.... if those babies are to have any chance for a healthly life, please, please, recommend they be adopted.
Nadya is a manipulator, a liar, a freeloader, a scam artist, and what she is doing is criminal. She planned this entire event, right down to getting the attention you are allowing her right now. Please end this scam now, recommend the babies be adopted and lets move on... we will all rest better knowing the babies are in better hands. Nadya is bad news. Just because she gave birth to these babies doesn't mean she can raise them or does it make her a good mother.... For Godsakes Save the babies!


Lynn   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

I am furious that someone like Gloria Alred would offer help to the Octuplet Mom and put a deadline on it. She is asking a mother to make a life changing decision about her children in a matter of hours. I may have missed something but as much as the offer sounds good, it doesn't sound very charitable to me. It is more controlling than anything and heartless. There is no deadline on how long this mother and these babies need help. Why would the offer not go out without such unrealistic strings attached to it.


Linda B   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

This woman is so obviously mentally unstable and unable to care for these 8 babies. As a California taxpayer, I can see that we will be paying for all 14 children for years, while Nadya lives in a huge home with others caring for her children. And I'll bet that she never ever works again. Why isn't anyone willing to admit that this is going to be the reality? The media is just tiptoeing around her inability to face reality.


momtoo   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

I think my donation will go to St. Judes Children's Hospital and the ASPCA!!!
They just can't spin it enough to make me feel sorry for her...


Ed   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Leave this family alone


Xiomara   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

One question no one has asked this woman. Did she planed what would happen to these children if something happens to her and her mom walks out of all of this mess? Or does she have a way to know that she will never be sick or die? What would happen to these children? I do not understand how any one will think she is ok to care for these kids. Kids need love but they also need the basic things in life to survive and develop in a normal environment. It is terrible that a woman thinks that her frozen embryos needed to come into this world no matter what. I am a grandmother of a child with special needs and it takes a lot of me to provide, love and teach him things that one day will make him independent. She is an unfit parent. She talks like someone that still does not get what she has done to those kids. More than that, the ungrateful little piece of no good dares to talk back to her mom and disrespect her after her parents has put their life on hold for her six children accommodating them in a house that could be up to date on the mortgage payment, upgraded with more bedrooms or even moved in a larger home, with the money she used for this selfish project. She could have made her six kid life a lot easier. But nooooo she wanted her minutes of fame, been on TV and she just saw big money in her mind. I guess she probably was watching that reality show “Kate + 8 and imagine herself as the star. Very different situations little stupid woman. This couple would have made it even without the show. They are a couple and both professionals with brains and center head. It is all about her, her, her and what she feels and needs. Sorry for the children they are the victims of this selfish woman.


Ada M. Thornton   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Dr. Phil,

Nayada sincerely has a problem and I do not mean this in a mean way. She is not rational. She is not capable of taking care of the first six children beside the other eight. She is in need of desperate help. These children cannot be left to her care alone. I am thinking of the children. If they can be better cared for in another enviroment then by al means put them there so they can live. I believe they will die from lack of proper food and care if they are not taken from her; all of them.


Heather Happy   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

I think now that the shock is over and the situation is what it is...why are we still beating her up? More energy should be spent in helping her now instead of bashing her. Its not helpful, its hurtful now and her life is in peril. People are yelling at her and being abusive. I don't agree with what she did, but these kids exist and they are not going anywhere...and they may very well be worse off in foster care. Help her by getting people to back off and if they can't be helpful to be quiet.


August Rouse   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

We spend billions every years overseas helping who woild rather kill us than not. Why can't we help one of our own? Lot of callous selfish people out there. It's embarassing.


FLO   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

THIS IS NOT SOMETHING THAT SHOULD BE LAUGHTED ABOUT. THESE PRECIOUS BABIES NEED ALL THE HELP THEY CAN GET – AND SHOULD NOT BE MADE FUN OF. SHAME ON ALL OF YOU!!!!!


Daphne   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

If everyone cares sooooo much about the children, then why not put all your money and efforts into teaching the mom how to do it. Why not help her get her degree quicker, like hiring a tutor instead of another nurse. If we would put more into the mom and helping her adapt instead of so much on "How will she do it" and taking the childrent away, or bringing in all these people to help, so that she never learns how to manage by herself. This is what Americans don't understand. You should teach a man to fish instead of feeding him fish chips. You can do it once or do it forever. It wasn't very long ago that having many children was common. Why have we turned into such judgemental people. Where is our real compassion. We should help her be all she can be, otherwise we'll be raising these kids forever.


Kelly Crook   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Personally I am concerned for the children, but I can relate to this woman on some grounds. One thing that I absolutely need to say is that she has no support from her mother. Yes, she is living with her mother, but I feel that her mother is playing on her needing help. I think that she does not want to give up her children or get help from others because IT WILL STILL BE AN ISSUE AND THROWN IN HER FACE!!! I think that people should leave this woman alone. I pay taxes and I would rather pay taxes on someone who actually needs WELFARE assistance rather than pay for someone who is frauding the government and tax payers!! APPEARENTLY THE WOMAN HAS NOT LOST HER OTHER 6 CHILDREN, SO WHY WOULD SHE LOOSE HER 14? She is doing something right, or those other 6 children would have been gone a long time ago.


Andy   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

Dr should be resposible to takecare of all babbies, because he did unethical job planting eggs in her womb.


weezie   February 27th, 2009 9:48 pm ET

I am outraged at what people are saying about this woman and her children. Do they not think when these children they are trying to protect are going to grow up and read and hear all about this? And what makes John and Kate plus 8 so different and what about the couple that just had their 18th kid is this ok or so different no one talks about it. what about the families 50 years ago that alway had 10-15 kids and had nothing they never had money to put all those kids to college is that ok and this is so wrong. Think about it


Patty miller   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

A loving option would be adoption. I'm amazed at Dr. Phill thinking she could possible be a good supportive mother to all these childern. Give her real advice!


Connie Freeman   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Her Doctor is just as misguided as she is. If a single Mother of 6 comes to you and wants to have another baby, there should be some research. She is not a rich Movie Star, she does not have a husband to help, he should have refused. I am confused about the implant, she is calling them embryos and sometimes they called them eggs. When they were eggs, before fertilization, she should have just let them be until she was more financially prepared to raise 7 children. They guy that donated the sperm, does he know what she was doing? Also, she does not seem to me to be organized enough to take care of that many children. It is going to be like orchastrating a kindergarten class, even with help. And about the help, did she get this together while pregnant or is she just hoping someone will come to her rescue? I think she thought from the begining that the community, media and neighbors were going to shower her with money and supplies.


Barb   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

She is not worried, because the children are not her responsibility. The government will provide the monetary support, her poor mother will care for them, and I am sure she will receive donations from others. She cannot see/understand the level responsibility involved with raising children.

The babies don't need to go to foster care, they are infants, I am sure the lines would long to adopt the babies. At least if they were adopted, the adoptive parents would provide all the love, and basic needs, as well as many extra needs, like college and a future.

No no one should have 8 babies at once, most especially if they already have 6 at home. I went through fertility treatments to get pregnant, however I chose to stop with taking the pergonal shots, I would not use the invitro method. I felt I was pushing the hand of God, I felt if I was meant to have another child he would give me one, and he did. However, during my fertility treatments, during one of my cycles where I had about 12 or 13 follicles that could have been babies, my doctor wanted me to commit to selectively reduce the pregnancy in the event I would have a pregnancy with multiples. I would not commit to that I felt God would give me what I could handle. My doctor gave me a shot to basically blow the cycle, so that nothing would happen. My doctor would not allow the possibility of so many babies.

Barb from NJ


Natalie   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

I can't believe Dr. Phil is suggesting the babies should be placed in foster care. Nadya made an irresponsible choice, but she obviously loves her children. I think the money that would go toward paying a foster parent could go toward providing this family with support when the babies come home.


Nancy   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Everyone wants to pay for the children's care, but only if they are fostered out. No comments from the Pro-Life side. Interesting. Gloria Alread's offer on Larry King included a "take away" clause. That seemed antagonistic. Where in the world is our heart in this society when a majority of the comments are all about "me". How it's going to cost "me". If it were "me" I'd have more common sense... If every person paid $1 for each negative comment, the house could be redone.


Louis Bazar   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Octo-mom is a does not want help because she would loose control of her chance for fame. She would be monitored so closely she would actually have to acy like a mother instead of a celebrity. She should be declared unfit and have all her children removed from her custody. She is headed for mental break down and the children will be in danger. As for her so called rep. he is only hanging around for what he thinks will be a big pay-day!


Diana   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

I'm glad that Dr.Phil has gotten involved. He is America's voice of reason. I am however so disapointed in my sister women not understanding that Nadia never planned on having eight children. So she wanted a big family, is that a crime? What she actually went through to carry these babies was unbelievable and it was the Dr's fault not hers!!!!!!!


sharon   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

We're all looking at the mother and saying 'what was she thinking?' or even was she thinking? My big question is what was the fertility doctor thinking? Nadia didn't perform the procedure herself. She has said given her problems with fertility in the past, it was determined that 6 embryo implants was the best route. WHAT problems with fertility – she already had 6 children. Help the mother – kids are here and she's going to need a lot – but please stop this doctor from ever doing something so stupid again.


danae   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

I feel the state of California should take those babies,there is no way this remedial lady can take care of all of these kids mentally or financially. I don't blame her parents one bit for being angry with her, it seems as if they have been the one's taking care of the other half dozen. I think her parents should get a place of there own. It's the only way they will be able to have any peace of mind. Residents of the state of California my blessings are with you in footing this bill as well


Ray A.   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

I believe this is so selfish of her, and her doctors, knowing that she cannot possibly afford the 8 babies, we taxpayers have to pay for this stupid behavior, unbelieveable.


Col. Michael McDowell, USA   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

I think Nadya Suleman is absolutely sickening. Most laws prohibit having 14 dogs or cats let alone children. I think her conduct and irresponsbility shows that she cares nothing about the children, but her own narcisisstic desires. This debacle will cost taxpayers millions and she should be thrown in jail and the children placed in responsible, loving homes. She is a totally unfit mother.......and doesn't even qualify to be called one.


cindy   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

all that are commenting about family of 12 or 13, usually they were scattered.......not 14 kids under the age of 8. so older kids helped with younger one's. she is not capable, when you see pics with her other kids she's just sitting on the floor with toys, she doesn't know how to parent.


Linda Pittenger   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

What is the difference between Nadia and the woman who just had her 18th planned baby if God forbid something happened to her husband? I wonder if the outrage would be the same. And this woman wants to have more. I truly believe Nadia did not plan to have 2 more much less 8.


Cammie   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

on second thought, perhaps the fertility doctor should be paying to support these children. His actions need to be addressed as well. SInce he is profiting from his practice of making babies then perhaps he needs to be held accountable for his actions via his wallet.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 9:49 pm ET

Natalie Droud (Nadya Suleman) or what ever you call yourself now, PAY YOUR EDUCATIONAL LOANS. YOU ARE IRRESPONSIBLE! SHE NEEDS TO DO THE RESPONSIBLE THING.... NADYA TAKE THE MILLION DOLLAR OFFER AND SAVE US A LOT OF MONEY!!!


Toni   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

This is no one's business. The woman had the babies, she wants to raise them – let her do it! As long as she does without going on welfare and good luck on that. But again – no one's business. It's her life – let her live it!


Allen cox   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

It seems that having alot of kids is becomming a money making buisiness . Look at all the shows and it isnt hard to see why she did it,
Enough with the analysis ask her if john & kate could be a motivation.
Kids can make you rich and famous. This needs to stop all these people should be made to put any profit from the kids in A trust fund for the kids future.


Holly   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Think about making the 8 infants life secure and stop with pulling the mom apart. What kind of mother would carry 8 babies for nine months and not want the best for them, after all her pregnancy speaks for its self.


lula mccathren   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

What are you thinking about? It's never the best to remove children from their natrual parent if at all possible. I have foster parented and adopted children for over three decades. I would not reverse any of our decisions. However, there is a tremendous void in each of my children's lives. You wil not be taking the children away from the mother, you are taking the mother away from the children. Last I checked these children have rights too.


Gladys   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

I am not squeamish person but that animation just floored me. Ouch!!!


debra   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Why do people have to make nasty comments on this mother and her choices. These are her choices and people should pray for her and her babies not condemn. Judge not or you will be judged. I hope the people of America would be more positive and support her instead of constantly attacking her. the children are here and cannot be returned, they are not mail!! good luck nadya


GRAM23   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

I am a foster Mom, I love Babies more then life . But they do not belong in foster care. If she does what she needs to do with CPS< DCFS< ANGELS IN WAITING. she should do fine. she will need plenty of help they will get it for her. They dont rip children from there moms it is up to the mom do do the right thing for the children as she will not keep the kids if she won't work a long tern case program. She will be helped . She needs to take it from them.


Lynn K.   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

I see the real irresponsibility in that Nadya chose to spend a great deal of money on in vitro and other health care costs in trying to have additional children beyond her six, when she should've used that money to support her current six, giving them food, shelter, and clothing. She does not even have the ability to provide herself and children with the most basic needs of food, clothing, and shelter. She keeps saying she does not want any money, but she has stolen from the public because that is who is ending up supporting her and her children.


Alexa   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

What is wrong with Nadya's Mother???? A loving Mom would support her daughter and grandchildren no matter WHAT! With all the children who are in foster care because of abuse, neglect, etc...what could people be thinking? These children have a Mother who loves them and wants to care for them. Her other 6 children look happy, healthy and loved. I am ashamed of all those critics who are showing off their mean-spirited, narrow-minded, hate-oriented souls. I hope God judges them as harshly as they are judging Nadya.


Joe Ludwig   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

I know this idea is not supported by law but morrally, why doesnt the doctor that thought Nadia having eight more children was sociably acceptable, start paying or donating towards child support since, as any father, he is responsible for all this.


Ivanka, Croatia   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

I don't know if Nadya has got any money from her interviews, but if every TV station would give away ten dollars from each commercial that they put on the air everytime the media report on this story – and we kinow that in the United States there are always more commercials on than in other parts of the world, quite a nice sum would come out of it for her and her children.


Kathy Masso   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Repeatedly showing pictures of the vent with duct tape shows your complete ignorance of how many in America live-as a home care nurse in an inner city area,poor housing with many many children is a common daily encounter.

Why is Dr Phil involving himself in this particular case?Just for more publicity for himself?There are so many children living in poor conditions without even 1 parent who cares-get off the TV Dr PHil and visit real problem areas if you are so sincere about being a child advocate-visit homes without the cameras filming you.


Ed - Sidney, OH   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

If the family wanted to be left alone, the they would'nt be on t. v.!


linda   February 27th, 2009 9:50 pm ET

Dr. Phil, If I beat her record of 8, can I come on your show? I have no job or money!! What a great employment idea!! That`s what you call a stimulus package that works!!!!!!!! Linda,Ok


Syam   February 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

This is a best case scenario that shows the need to modify the unemployment aid rules. if somebody is incapable of raising their kids by themselves and looking for government aid then they should not go for morethan 2 kids.


Ron Worthington   February 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

this is to joe–he said how much is this going to cost the taxpayers? and wanted us to go ahead and pay it!!! well joe, it probably wouldn't be quite so bad if all the other unwed (teen) moms tec hadn't beat her to it. there are millions out there who are getting welfare, food stamps, etc because they made the same foolish choice to bring unnecessary babies into this world. the whole world is still mad at china for the way they solved their rabbit-breeding problem, but we are now at the point that the u s a is going to have to do the same thing!


Heather   February 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

It does not take a rocket scientist to see that this woman is UNFIT to take care of these babies. She can not even take care of her children at home, half of them with special needs without help from the government. This is why our country has such a drain on the welfare system and it is not right for corporations and other companies to give people like her everything she needs. If that was the case for everyone, we should all go out and have infertility treatments to have multiples to have everything handed to us and exploit our children. She is a discrace to all mothers out there and a disappointment to those who can not have them. She does not deserve to keep these babies and they should be given up for adoption so they can be taken care of by someone who does not need to mooch off the government.


Rachel K   February 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

As a mother of 5-year-old twins, I can tell you how hard the first few months were for my husband and I. My husband and I were wiped out taking care of 2 babies. I think Nadya lives in a fantasy world. I think she thought if she had all these babies she would get her own show like "John and Kate Plus 8". I'm sure she thought money would be flowing her way and she would get things donated to her. I think she is a very selfish woman since she already had 6 children to take care of. Unfortunately, I think these children will end being taken away from her and split up from eachother. There is no way she can possibly afford taking care of 14 children. These are innocent children and they will be the ones who pay, not Nadya. Also, why isn't that QUACK doctor in jail? He could have killed Nadya and all those babies!!!


Roberta   February 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

I admit that seeing the video of her and the kids with a room full of toys is irritating – I had two kids and a husband with a good job and never could we afford that kind of lavishing on the kids – nor would I have done that – who paid for all that?

This woman is the problem – not the babies. I still have not heard any answers to where she got the money to have all those IVF procedures.

If she wants America to support her she needs to explain!


Jennifer   February 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

She keeps talking about help from famiily and friends-it does not sound like family wants to be of much help. I say let her bring them home and do it her way and let he fail and then lets intervene. She does not have to let he life be transparent. I disagree with Dr. Phill on that. But since she says she can do it on her own let her do it on her own. Lets step away, lets leave her to her faith and her own means and then when it all falls apart many people and agencies will step in and these kids will be fine. The bottomline is she should never have ben aloowed to do this and we need to make sure that more women do not do the same thing it is irresponsible medicine. If this woman wanted children maybe she should have been less selfish and done it the old fashion way by having a husband and having children the old fashion way. If she had the money to do this a second time maybe she should have used that money to help pay her parents mortage to take care of the children she already has. The money obviously spent on plastic surgery could have been better spent for the care of her children. Her actions already show her to be irresponsible with little regard for her children so what makes anyone think this behavior will change. But there are millions of children everyday who pay the rpice for their parnets selfish irresponsible behavior but we cannot help them all. Its her life, its her children and it really is none of our business until there is a direct threat to these children. When does she ever have time to see her infants, feed them , hold them let alone the 6 she has at home with all the media attention she wants and is getting. She said she is going to breast feed. When is she doing this? Again a lie or just another irresponsible decision.


Rachel   February 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

I don't agree with Nadia's choice. The babies are here the 6 other children are here we all need to take a step back. These are not the countries children they are Nadia and her families children. I am surprised that no help has been offered by the right to life group this is the ultimate right to life. I hope that someone can cut through all of the self serving bull to reach out without a camera a column or a microphone and genuinely help this family deal with the enormous task ahead. At this point discussion of why she did it why the Doctor what the Grandmother said what the Grandfather said who is the father all these question should now be over and we need to let everyone move into the now. If you are so curious offer help it is easy to criticize.


Nancy Marsala   February 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

I think this Woman is way out there! She is obsessed with the Media and is starving for attention, with no respect for anyone else, including her own MOTHER!! She didn't think this through, not as a "normal" Mother anyway! NO Mother in their right mind would multiply like this for the sole purpose of living out her own sick fantasy of being famous! It really disgusts me that she is getting exactly what she set out to get....the spot light on her!!! The babies are the ones that will have to suffer for her selfishness! I have a disabled Daughter that cannot have "A" baby and, would give her life to be able to and, then you have Woman like this one that thinks it's a game! She is playing God! I would hate to be in her shoes. I think the Media should take the spot light off her so she will stop believing she is Angelina Joline!!


RockyRacoon   February 27th, 2009 9:51 pm ET

The truth finally comes out. The doctor put this women and the life of these children in danger and should be charged with malpractice and lose his licence!
Yours,
RR


Cat   February 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

This woman should not have even had 6 children. She can't properly care for them much less 8 more. Doesn't she have an autistic child? That alone is full time care. This is so unfair to her six children. Will she just push then aside to care for 8 babies. No one by themselves can care for this many children. In no way should she expect anyone to help her. And this is totally unfair to these 8 to have done this to them. They need to be put up for adoption now. She has proven by her actions that she is mentally unstable and unfit to be a mother. If she had love to share she should have opened a day care.


Elaine   February 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Reading the above comments about the Duggans they support themselves not the TAXPAYERS ! I was brought to take responsibility for my actions whether they were right or wrong. Apparently she wasn't!


mary   February 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Let her take care of her kids with what help she can get. She will get offers of help. That's America. And, PLEASE don't fuss about some magic marker on the walls, or duct tape on a register... Lots of people have only 3 kids and a lot worse conditions. Six kids might write on the wall ; and these are not life threatening. Her option was-selective
something with the 8 embryos- that's abortion. She was not doing that. Good for her.


Brenda Ibarra   February 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

I think anyone who either have or had children fully understands what these children are going to need and all that the mother is going to need. Some of these things of course are diapers, clothing, formula, bathing supplies and a home. This mom needs support and encouragement. I know how it feels to give a child up for adoption. I know that loving someone more than you love yourself and focusing on what’ss best for a the child is what you need to be in touch with in order to make a decision like that. She has six children now and they are still young, wait until they are teenagers. She's going to be so wiped out by the raising of so many children by herself that when her six young children grow into teenagers and really need her to pay attention to them, she's not going to be able to do really be there and really be present. I take offense at Nadia's remark that she has enough love for all of these children and that it’s absurd or wrong for someone to suggest adoption. That shows she's really not thinking of what's best for them as well as the ones she's already got at home. Those children need a mom and a dad. They need that balance and quite frankly she's going to need the support and help of a father in the home. They deserve that. They need stability, consistency and security none of which she's going to be able to provide for them all of the time day in and day out. So in the end because she going to let theses children down because she doesn’t even have the ability provide even the most basic of necessities, is flying this solo and stubbornly refusing to even think down the line at what this really will mean to her and most importantly to all 14 of the children. It’s very selfish of her. The most unselfish, loving thing to do for these children is to give at least six of these children up for adoption so that they have at least a fighting chance. It’s not about her, it’s about these baby’s. She needs a huge wake up call.


;Mary Richards   February 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

I have watched this woman(?) being on Dr. Phil Show, and i noticed that she continually interrupts anyone talking to her , talkd over them (like Dr. Phil and her mother and it strikes me that she is obviously spoiled and seems to have a "know-it-all" personality., actually i agree that she could have a "Pollyanna" attitude. She obviously doesn't listen to reason and expects to benefit from all this, probably will write a book too. Also , she states that she can go and finish her college and WORK and still give all these children so much love. She's definitely living in a dream world. Yes, the doctor is definitelly at fault and should be confronted about this.


Corey   February 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

I cannot understand why anyone would make donations to this woman.Why? The American people will be making donations to her housing,food,and education to these kids for the rest of their lives.This woman is just going to sit around and make babies and we have to work and take care of them.I say take the kids away and wrap her up and put her in a rubber room.
Insane!!!!!!


Lola Penn   February 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

I am a labor and delivery nurse. You would not believe the conditions we send babies home to every single day.

I am impressed with Nadya. She is just young and naive. Now we need to come forward and assist her. Nadya will mature over time. She loves her babies. Lets help her.

How did a fertility specialist get away with placing so many embroys? That is the real issue.

If she calls me I would be happy to help with her premies.
Good luck Nadya. You have grit.


Mary   February 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

Her's more...I have been a working, law-abiding citizen all my life. I am"too poor" for unemployment (my jobs weren't well paid enough) and "too rich" for food stamps. And I pay an income tax. And I don't qualify to get school aid. I can understand why most people don't want to enable Nadya to live out her disease at the expense of the state of California or anyone else. Let's not enable her.


Tosha   February 27th, 2009 9:52 pm ET

I think that everyone is just mad at the octomom because they didn't think of the idea first. She is going to get to set back and raise her children and let the rest of us take care of her. I don't think that everyone should criticize her choices in life, because we have all made some bad one's. If we are going to plaster her face all over the media, then why are we not doing it to the moms who were or are addicted to crack and having a baby, and just who do we think that we are that we should even be pushing to take those kids from her. I think that everyone that thinks that should have there kid taken away. At least she loves those children. We let people be parents that abuse kids and don't act like it's a big deal when something happens, but just because she had 8 kids at one time, then we feel that we are God and we have the right to judge her.


DONALD   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

The reason why MS. SULEMAN is so villified is because of RACE. NADYA SULEMAN is not a blue-eyed Aryan white woman. Her kids are not white. Talk about putting her kids up for adoption? Why, because you white people go to Guatamala and steal children? Because, you cannot have any of your own?


Anne Brand   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Linda Conforti-West, founder of Angels in Waiting, said Friday that Nadya Suleman appeared to lose interest in the group's proposal when she was told last week that a reality show and a biweekly press conference on the babies' condition was out of the question due to their fragile immune systems. So, if there is no money in it for Nadya with a TV reality show or other publicity, she is not interested–not interested in what's best for all her 14 children. She needs a mental evaluation and extended therapy before being given custody of any of these poor kids.


Theresa   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Who is Victor Munoz ? We see on CNN's display that he is the "spokesman" for Nadya. . . . . but WHO is he really ?

There are many willing people who would love the chance to welcome a newborn child into their lives.

I know that because I am one of those children whose birth mother had the sense to plan ahead for my adoption a long, long time ago. I never met her but I always wanted to tell her that I had a good life and to thank her for having me and giving me to two wonderful parents who gave me a loving home.

Separation from my other siblings (2) was not an issue. I was simply an "only" child. . . . so what ? I didn't know anything else. I was fine.

These new eight babies would surely benefit by being separated before they bond with each other and their other siblings in six separate loving homes. (Twins should be placed together)

The other six children should be closely monitored by the proper agencies within the area where they live. Now that their lives have been exposed . . . . . ie: living conditions in their present home, lack of income of the parent, psychological problems of the parent.

That brings me to the parent herself. It is apparent from the interviews so far that she is delusional. It is now AFTER the fact. The babies have been born. THEY need help and they should not
get that help from their parent. . . . . she is INCAPABLE of caring for
them OR their six siblings.

Grandma & Grandpa are sad and tired. They are being foreclosed
on and they don't know what to do next. Their child is obviously sick and unable to recognize the needs of her children. She is disrespectful of her parents, who have been her ONLY means of support for a long time. There are so many victims here . . . .

So please, Dr Phil, get this woman the psychological help she needs, not only for her own well-being, but for her parents and her
fourteen deprived children.

They are counting on you.

Good luck.


cindy   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

jon & kate are a COUPLE there are 2 parents, seem pretty responsible, they PARENT these kids, they educate them. I don't believe they are on public assistance from the taxpayers.

Nadya is in lala land. Look at her plastic surgery.

Dr Phil the best thing for the children is adoption, why don't you say it


Marcellous   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

This woman is out of touch with the world. Her mom is the only one telling it to her like it is. This lady reminds me of the Maury or Jerry Springer shows where there are 12,13 14 and 15 girls looking to get pregnant for their own selfish needs. They all think that love is going to put food in those babies tummy. She apparently has the same mindset of those girls. Maybe she needs bootcamp or a reality check of sorts, like letting her do it alone for a while, love is – in her case overrated. She has the nerve to turn down assistance from Angel in Waiting.... seems like she waiting for some type of monetary gain from this..This pisses off alot of people, because there's people wanting help and cant get it.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

You say that IVF seldom 6 babies will be born with 5 eggs, but THIS WOMAN HAS A HISTORY OF 100% BIRTH WITH IVF!

By the way.... isn't IVF is expensive... where did a non working woman already receiving state aide have the money for IVF

THIS SOUNDS LIKE FRAUD FOR ME. I HOPE THEY INVESTIGATE THIS WOMAN THOROUGHLY!!!

SHE ALREADY HAS AUTISTIC CHILDREN...


Ron   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

It appears the plot to be "Mommie's little tax deductions" and expecting others to pay for her debt. It is not the children's fault, but she should be responsible for the care, not the tax paying public.


KEITH BROWN   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW WHO VICTOR MUNOZ IS.
IS HE A FRIEND OF THE MOTHER OR A SOCIAL WORKER.
DOES HE LIVE WITH HER.
IS HE EMPOYED AND AT WHAT.
DOES HE SPEAK FOR HER LEGALLY.
THANK YOU
KEITH BROWN
CANADA


bill   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

the talk is all about helping the mother how about helping the grandmother to save her house it`s not her fault that she is looseing her home.

bill from dayton ,ohio


G. Otto   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Did anyone consider that Nadya has a full grasp of reality, that this is just a scam to get everyone's sympathy in order to gain fame and wealth? This seems like a planned scheme to get movie and book deals and enough contributions to enable her to live in a million dollar home, never getting a job, and having a family with all the free help she can muster. She is not accepting help until she can look at all her options and can choose the most lucrative offers. Dr. Phil and others interviewing her are giving her the publicity that she craves to meet her goals. Unfortunately, the children are caught up in her selfishness. This is how people become rich and famous. Come up with a gimmick. She knew exactly how to do this. She's smarter than you think.


Lori Bell   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

How did Nadia even afford to pay for IVF ??? Most people have to take out loans.... She doesn't even have a home not to mention a job????


Disgusted   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

All this "Octo-Mom" bashing has hit an all-time low. Showing those "comedy" sketches mocking Nadya was disgraceful. If this is the type of show you're going to air, Larry, I may stop watching.


al   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Common guys I really don't want to cry over this woman, but pls let us take a moment and really study those innocent kids, why should they have to pay for her actions.


Liddy   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

Is she at risk for postpartum depression and what will that mean for those 14 kids?

We have far too many children being drowned, dumped, left as prey for predators by unattended loving moms to not be concerned about this woman's mental health.


kristen   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

This woman should not be allowed to take these babies home for one reason. She is unstable!! Thats it. not because shes on welfare or has no job or any other reason. She is unstable!!!!!!!!!


Porns porns   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

I think one of the ways to remove them is to make them move to islael.

If they go there they can get job with english.

and Islael still keep condition that people giva birth to a lot of babies.


sandra   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

All of the new babies, and maybe even some of the other ones that live with her and that HER poor mother takes care of, should all be put up for adoption....,at the least, the young 8 babies, as they do not know and/or attached to her yet.....there are sooooo many wonderful, stable, financially secure couples out there that would LOVE to have just one baby to love for the rest of their life....... and lets not even go into what it is costing us taxpapers.... regular people like my husband and i that have been married for 28 and are lucky to be able to raise just 2 children with both of us working and we have not even gotten into colllege years yet...p.s. we also have wonderful health insurance that WE pay for......not the taxpayers... and not to mention, both of my children are healthy, thank GOD, at least 5 of hers have disabilities.....


Gus Roncaglia   February 27th, 2009 9:53 pm ET

This woman and the doctors that coached her, should be made an example of what no to do in the future. If the state doesn't take any drastic measures to send a message to the medical and the media; we are doomed. The babies should be taken away by CPS until proven that she can physically be able to sustain a decent lifestyle. The doctors should have their licenses revoked until they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that this was done in the best interest of the mother. You all know this was a "pre-nup" agreement between those two parties.


john ballert   February 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Idont think she planed on having 8 kids at once, she just got lucky i wish it would have work half that good for my wife and I. I dont understand why you are so upset with her for doing that. My wife and i have two more embryos left and we already with 6 wonderful chilren and i m laidoff . So tell me DR phil what should we learn.


Queen Iwuanyanwu   February 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

This women is out to make big bucks. I'm 99.9% certain that she will not except the help from the organization that is offering to take her and her 14 children in. I'm so glad that Gloria came on the show to clerify the offer. I can't wait to hear the mother's reason for not excepting. She did this for MONEY and FAME, and I for one would like to see her exposed for the greedy and selfish person that she is.


evelyn   February 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

i cannot belive what im reading on these blogs all these do gooders out here saying hey, lets take her to the field and burn her like a witch and take her children and throw them to the lions (the system) this girl had no clue she would have 8 children now all these doctors are degrading this women for these innocent children that werent asked to be born. now she has a mind of a teenager and her children will have mental problems u guys are nuttssssssssssss!


Susan Tilson   February 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Give Octomom a break! She only meant to have one baby and that would not have been remarkable, but she had 8 and was dead set against abortion. Where are all the Holier than thou Christians that are so against ABORTION. They should be cheering for her instead of throwing stones. . I think we should all pitch in and help her.


Luciana Shannon   February 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

I think everyone should lay off this woman. No one said Kate shouldn't had her 6 children. The only true issue people have with this woman is she is single and wanted a family. Get over it people , she has the right to have children .


Melissa   February 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Am I the only person in America that acknowledges this womans desire to raise and care for her additional eight children? What is the fuss over? Come on people! A woman gives birth to eight healthy children that she wants to take care of. What about the drug babies that are born everyday to moms that have NO desire to provide love or care? Women that mother five-ten drug babies aren't being made into such a huge pubicity topic. There is seriously something wrong with America! Let's acknowledge REAL problems and quit creating new ones.


marta mata   February 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

This is just unfair for those kids...I think the clinic should be held responsible and insted of being money hungry they should think about the kids future.Why they even allowed to do something like that why you have to wait 2-5 years to addopt and show income.... the owner of that clinic need to give some of the money back to her and pay off grandma morgate.Mom is not stable but the damage is done and she should be ordered to tie tubes in order to take babys home.
It realy gets me mad.Lets dont forget its all about the babys now


sara   February 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

some these children may qualify for social security disablity


Sherry   February 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

I had a multiple pregnancy (triplets) in 1986. My triplets were conceived naturally. I know how difficult it is to carry multiples. If Nadya's physicians thought she was fit to carry these babies and also to parent these babies then why are we judging? Did anyone judge Nadya when she was a single parent of six? Why should we all be holding court now? If the system is prepared to spend the mega dollars to raise her children in foster care then they should put that money into Nadya's hands and help her (the mother) raise the children TOGETHER as a FAMILY. Let's all take a step back and let Nadya and her doctors decide what will be in the best interest of her family. She shouldn't be so harshly judged because she's a single parent.


gio   February 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

Dr. Phil should be aware of the dangerous personality flaws of those that suffer from lnarcissistic personality disorder.

Suleman has all the symptoms. These children don't stand a chance.

Narcissists as delusional & perform all kinds of antics to get attention. When attention is received, they perceive that they've done something "good", when in fact they may he done something stupid, negative or dangerous.

I agree that this woman must be supervised, but what's the sense in having to watch over her, as well as her 14 children?

I believe the State should move in and take the children away from Suleman, and place them with famlies that can properly care for them.


Ed - Sidney, OH   February 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

I learned It's CRAZY to have 8 babies ALL AT ONCE! Something I do believe I knew already...........DUH


Ivanka, Croatia   February 27th, 2009 9:54 pm ET

I think that the media is being mean towards her among other things and too much bad suff being directed at her and the babies who are so vulnerable. Y'all should look up for solutions. Foster care isn't one of them in my view.


Brenda Otkins   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

I the real act of reality, it appears that the mother of these children, never took the time out to weight out the actucal consequences of what it would take to actually care for these many children as a whole.
why placing emphasis on her as she speaks, its becomes clear of the matter that the primarily reason for her behavior, behind having these children in such a large number is the mere fact that, her mother and father is partially to blame as well, her decision to take this step was compile by the fact that when she borne the first set of children her parents were happy about the matter of the six children and at the same time they eagerly helped her and in the process she had by chance failed at the thought of realizing that with each child as a seperate individual carries a substan amount of weight, as far as their physical and emotion needs are concerned. These are the most
important aspects of a growing child needs and with God I believe the emotional aspect of these kids life must be looked upon with grave consideration, its in the reach that she must bring to these children and with thier conditions and age this is giong to require quite a bit of time , patients and caring , this stands above all the help that she may begin to receive, so my point here is that being that she is a only child and her parents love her dearly , even enough to accept the frist six children as part of their responsibility, still at the same time they may not have indicated to her that she need not have more, I really don't believe that she is no where near crazy that may be a lot of peoples outside opinion, but she appears be be a smart and bright young woman, who did not invest not even a single moment in looking or thinking about her situation the frist six nor the latter eight, somehow she seen to not even had been thinking at all. She just thought that having eight more babies would be a good idea and she went for it without a single thought. Thanks to mom and dad who held back thier true feeling on the matter and at the same time reached in to help lift the weight of the frist six children completely off of her, so she thought that having children wasn't really as bad as they say or hard to raise,
seems like her mother took on the complete burden of the matter, when she love them as she love Nad. That called taking advantage of a good thing. She may had did it to keep the whole family from feeling alone, the more people the more noise, the less that one can tune into reality. I hope that from this point and though her struggles to get these lovely God given children to the place in thier lives she realizes that God holds a great price on life and if you bring it in this world you must be willing to invest much energy int raising these kids up to his standards. I don't knock her I am going to keep hope in my heart that she do the very best that she can towards the rearing of these children and may God bless her and position his angels all around her and her family.


Crystal   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

LET'S BE FAIR!!!!

FIRST: Like many people in this country she's obviously pro-life. By law embyos are only kept for 10 years. After that they are destroyed. If she is pro-life and believes abortion is murder than she probably felt she only had one option. Just as it would be considered inappropriate to question someone's decision to abort it's just as inappropriate to question someones conscience driven decision to keep the kids.

SECOND: She has said over and over: She implanted all 8 believing that only 2 or 3 would come to term. SHE DID NOT SET OUT TO HAVE 8 BABIES AT ONCE!!!

THIRD: Everyone is chomping at the bit for her to say it was a mistake. THOSE kids are going to grow up and lots of interviews of how their mom really feels about them. As a loving mother it is her responsibility to make sure that they know that they were always loved and wanted. The emotional toll of hearing your mom say publicly that you were a mistake could have untold consequences. For their sake she should be nothing but positive in front of the camera.

Lets stop throwing stones from our glass houses. After all it really has nothing to do wth us. Even if she does take government money, SO WHAT!!! Her cost to taxpayers is just a drop in the bucket compared to the everyday waste that the government costs taxpayers everyday!


Tom   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Just the fact that we have to talk about such an issue in the midst of a global financial crisis is utterly sickening. This is the epitome of selfishness.


Jackie   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Yes this is America, but nobody comes down on the Mother from Africa or a Third World Contry, who 14 is usually the average number of children they have, and their home is a mud home, if they are lucky. I don't support the way in which her Physician was guiding her on having these babies, but there are many women around the world having 9, 12, 16 children and do not have the "American" means/standards of providing for them. If one feels the need to intercept, one should just offer Nadya help and let her raise her children with her family.


Debbie Hopper   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

I've been giving this a lot of thought. Since the same doctor is responsible for impregnating OctoMom for all these children, therefore, he also should be responsible for the monetary costs of the care of them. He is, after all, the father of these children. He should have known better (Heard that before?) He should not be a "Dead Beat Dad."
Think about it.......


Cheryl James   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

What is wrong with people now a days? My Husbands grandmother had 15 children during the depression years. No one considered her to be crazy or thought they should be taken away. It was very very hard for that family but they did it, with haelp and love of their family and community.
What gives anyone the right to judge her?
I seem to remember when a set of octuplets were born and Company's all over donated diapers, formula, clothes, a van, a brand new house and people including family and friends and volunteers jumped at the chance to help raise the babies. No one called these people names. Is it only because she is single??? Granted these other babies had both parents but that is not the norm these days. Most children in this country are raised by single mothers. Should we take their children away as well?


Kelli from Tampa   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Hey Dodie!! I agree with you!


Cammie   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

To Weezie – Obviously you are a great thinker.

First of all, Jon and Kate plus Eight – a married couple with a good income, not mouching off of parents, raising children themselves and both of them are mentally healthy.
Secondly, people used to have big families but not all children at the same time!!! My dad comes from a family of 13, grandma was widowed at 50, the older children helped raise the younger children.
Maybe you could go and help with the kids.


Sandi   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

If it's so highly unlikely that six embryos would result in eight babies, I am VERY inclined to think that Nadya was implanted with way more than six embryos.


Michael   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Alright, this is all a bit strange with all the things that have happened to her. But now to a point I'd like to make, do we know who the friend was that donated the sperm? I mean we don't, now will all that, shouldn't we find out so that he, the one that donated it should help with the children? I would like to see the doctor get a paternity test to see if he was the one that donated the sperm and if he is, then we should have him help support the mother and her eight children. It's a disgrace to have something like this happen and there be no male figure responsible for help.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

In times like these, when many are without medical insurance and have worked most of their lives… here comes a selfish woman who does not care about her children, her parents and only wants what she wants….I

I RESENT GIVING MY TAX DOLLARS TO HER! I would much rather give it to a needy man or woman who have no children and are struggling with medical problems. There is NOTHING for them!!!


robert   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Why is it OK for two families on Staten Island, NY, to hve quintuplets and no one is raising an eyebrow of judgement? They are seen as being blessed. Why is that appropriate?


T. in South Florida   February 27th, 2009 9:55 pm ET

Hey Dodie, It's about time. Hurry up before every American sends this con artist a buck that most really need to spend on they're own families.


Mary   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

I too have an autistic child. I am a full time working single mother. There is no way that I could bring even 1 more child into our lives with all of the time that he and his disablities needs. Between working, and meetings with school, therapies, doctors visits, homework, normal living, I do not feel that any women could take that on with 6 children, 3 with disablities and now 8 premies who will have health issues. I wanted another baby, but had a level head to say, there is not enough of me for it to be fair to him. He didn't ask to be born with this disability.


Mia   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

I think this lady has no conception of reality. Maybe she thought Americans would come to her aide and contribute thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of dollars and she could then have financial resources for any type home and help she needed. These are special needs infants which will require lots of care by many people, not to speak of her other children. What was she thinking, or was she thinking? There is no easy answer.


Angela   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

She has made a decision that affects so many other in a negative way. Her new babies, her other children, her parents, the community, the government. The doctor should be sued and lose his license. She should be committed until she can receive the therapy she needs to get a grip on life. All of us have desires and needs, but she had the audacity to plow ahead and make a decision that makes absolutely no sense at all. Just look at the medical expenses. Kaiser had to have many healthcare professionals on hand to handle the births, the children need extensive and expensive care. We talk about fixing the healthcare system. We should fix some of the people. abusing the system. It's another example of irresponsible behavior. People buying houses they could not afford, banks extending loans that should have been denied. We all need to demonstrated some responsibility for our decisions and clearly, this woman was selfish and irresponsible. I think she was craving attention... and now she is getting it – because we are all watching her amazing, selfish, idiotic and in my non-clinical opinion INSANITY.


teresa   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

WOW !! I am amazed at the power of the HUMAN SPIRT!!
Think about it? 6 souls were implanted 6 turned into 8 SOULS ?! Considering the odds we should embrace this woman and welcome all 8 as it may be one of them one day that saves your soul!!
MAY THE UNIVERSE BELSS THEM ALL!!


Bob   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

I am astonished that this woman has not been put into psychiatric care and all her children taken away from her.

It is absolutely astonishing that some doctor purposely impregnated this woman who already had 6 children that she couldn't take care of, and now she has 8 more! He should be locked up and his assets used to take care of these children.

To think that an unmarried woman, without a job, on disability, living with her parents can take care of 14 children is ludicrous on the face of it.

If there was ever an argument for forced sterilization, this woman would be a poster child for that cause.


karina   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

I AM SO SICK OF PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT NADYA AND HER CHILDREN. PEOPLE, LEAVE HER ALONE.
MOVE ON PEOPLE, JUST MOVE ON.
MIND YOUR OWN BUSINESS. IF YOU PEOPLE WANT TO HELP THIS FAMILY JUST DO IT.
WHAT ABOUT OPRAH HELPING PEOPLE IN AFRICA. THEY SHOULD STOP HAVING CHILDREN.
I DON'T TRUST FOSTERPARENTS AT ALL.
NADYA SHOULD ALL HER CHILDREN. THEY ARE HERS. YOU PEOPLE SHOULD GO DOOR BY DOOR AND SEE FOR YOURSELF HOW SOME PARENTS TREAT THEIR CHILDREN . I CAN GO ON AND TELL LOTS OF STORIES.
I LIVE IN TEXAS, I WISH I COULD LIVE CLOSE TO THIS WOMAN SO I COULD HELP HER WITH ANYTHING.


Jeanette Langlois   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Nadya has no business having any of the 14 children she has. She is on Medi-Cal and all of the costs of these octuplets will be paid by the taxpayers of California.

Why does she think she has a right to have these children. I believe all the children should be adopted out and she should be cut off of Medi-Cal


Dell Gray   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

OKay, here's what I think for what it's worth. She made a mistake, she made some not so intellegent decissions, she has made a mess of things and mostly of herself. So what has she done that the rest of us have not done? Maybe not to her extent but to some extent we have all done some stupid things. Now let's get off her case, come a long beside her and help her with her situation. She is not costing us anymore than the prisoners are, the people in jail that also made stupid mistakes, and so why jail them, why not just kill say second and third offenders? We don't because it's not right. Just like it's not right to take her children from her. And how wrong it is to even suggest that. She loves her children. She loves them all. She didn't expect this and perhaps she should have but she made a mistake. This is not a country where we dictact how many children you can have. She needs our help. So do the American thing and help her. At least she is going to school, at least she is career bound, some people live off of the state, have children to live off the state, some wouldn't even think about work. And the Foster Care is another way some people work. I believe a lot more people are in Foster Care as a business and not a Calling. In Texas a Forster Care parent get's almost $500 a month per child and so if you are going to pay for Foster Care for these children, why not pay the Mother who wants her children instead of someone who wants the money? And lots of times the Foster Care program causes more pain than gain. You know it to be true. This is not a communist country, leave this woman a lone and let her raise her children and let's support her with what we can. I pay taxes, I am retired from the military and I would rather pay a woman who choses life over abortion anyday! I don't agree with her having so many children but I agree that God creates life and He created these babies and we need to do the godly thing and help her. And if you don't live in a glass house don't throw a stone. If you do live in a glass house and you have never made any terrible mistakes you haven't lived long enough or else you are a liar.


Jill Saunders   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

She and the fertility doctor not only showed a disregard for the potential threat to the life of the mother and the octuplets... let us not forget that there were six other young lives involved. What about their needs? This doctor should be disbarred. And, as I said previously, this woman is as unstable as Britney Spears was/is and needs the same court-appointed conservator to make rational decisions on her behalf.

I don't believe anyone has the right to take these children and farm them out here and there. I think someone like Angels in Waiting is the answer to keep this family together. But a conservator needs to be in the picture. (pssst... NOT this Victor dude.)


Carrie Scott   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Social services should step in to insure that these babies are permanently adopted NOW so that they can bond with adoptive parents while they are still infants. Foster care is not a solution because it will never become possible for one women to care for eight babies financially, emotionally, or in terms of time and energy. I do pity anyone who is so out of touch with reality, but the welfare of these children should be placed above the mother's personal–and, sadly, very selfish–wishes.


Linda   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Does anyone remember Dr. Phil's quote that Lara Spencer wrote down and mentioned? Something about making decisions. Thanks!


Cassandra   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

Who are we to decide if this woman keeps her children or not. If Dr. Phil and all of the other rich people laughing at her REALLY wanted to help her, they would financially help her. Where's Habitat? Why don't Habitat build her a house big enough to care for these children. It's obvious that she loves these children. And we are laughing at her and calling her stupid and immature, because she is showing love for the children, instead of falling apart.......If she did that that would be another story to linger on.

To be honest, I think it's a shame that washed up celebrities ( for example Dr. Phil, Joan Rivers), news channels, and others are using her short falls to revive their careers, get ratings, and verbally beat her down to feel good about themselves.

Once again, this is a shame.


Amber Peterson   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

I am a 27 year old mother o two. My first son was born a 30 weeks and stayed in the nicu for a month. I am upset because my son alone has had and still has four theropies for development and has had a lot of extra doctor visits. These include specialist. He also has been diagnosed with autism. I put so must time and energy into his health care and it is very selfish for this women to deny the first children the extra care they need and now she has children that I can tell you from experience will need lots and lots of extra time and energy. She is SELFISH SELFISH SELFISH. I fell for those children.


Betty Sears   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

I think the Dr. who implanted this woman should have to pay her for the care of these babies till grown. What a shame he didn"t listen to her mother, father and the man who supplied the sperm as not to implant her. TAKE THOES BABIES AWAY SO THEY WILL HAVE A LIFE! GET THAT WOMAN IN COUNSELING!


Joyce   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

I just want to request critics to support this mother as she needs to concentrate on her children. If America can help millions in foreign contries, what is the problem with their own citizens? Please stop adding stress to this mother. these babies are human beings and they will never have another mother like her. It is obvious she loves her children. I will continue to pray for her and her children May God bless them.


blue   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

The McCoys were given a house and many aids and helping hands, go check out the old footage. Gosslins were broke, had multiples by the same method and were given many aids, and helping hands, trips and opportunities.

The doctor was negligent a few babies ago!!!! He should have evaluated his patient. The babies are here now, I think you should stop the negativity and help this woman, get her counselling, her tubes tied, a good plan with nurturing helping hands and offers. She does love her children, she is not abusive, has intelligence, a big heart. We are all missing a piece of the pie if you want to point fingers!

She may be extremely naive, but if the doctor had done his job, she would have been denied. Please help Nadya.

the only things I have noticed odd about her, is that she does not listen to people, she is answering back to Dr. Phil before he is even finished, leaving me to believe that she is not thinking first, before acting or before speaking. She is a very quick speaker, she has an answer to everything. THIS DOES NOT A BAD MOTHER OR PERSON MAKE THOUGH.

If you all put your collective professional heads together, and provide this single woman with the support that has been handed to others, I'm sure she will do well, and mainly her children will be loved and cared for. Isn't that all that matters? Her children.


Ron   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

It takes two people to create a problem. Naturally the mother does not have the resources to do it. I strongly agree with the idea of focusing on the Physician who was involved to come up with the help this woman needs. To sue him for malpractice will not take care of the children. Dr. Phil would do better if he asked the Physician and his Colleagues to belly up to the bar and take care of the situation or is he afraid to step on some toes.


Sandi   February 27th, 2009 9:56 pm ET

She's lied about so much. Who's to believe she's telling the truth? If she's moving her lips, chances are she's lying.


Natasha B.   February 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

As a health care professional, I am having problems dealing with the fact that a fertility specialist would even consider IVF in this case, without making a referal for this woman to see a mental health professional. We take an oath to do everything that we can to give each patient the best care possible, and we are supposed to make the necessary referrals when a situation calls for it. This doctor practiced irresponsible medicine. Shame on him.


Hildred   February 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

Hi!!
Why do People dehumanize her ? This is wrong!!!
Sure she may not have made the right decision by implanting all eight, but it 's done now she only have two choices keep them or put them up for adoption. Either way she will need help, lets help her get over it. Everyone is complaining why? God helped her to survive the pregnancy and the delivery. She has some issues that may need to be dealt with so lets try to help and be a solution than a problem. I have 4 adopted kids and reguardless of what I could provide and do for them its still not as great as if they had their biological parent. its still a part of them that is missing. She willing to take care of them, in the world today that is a Great Accomplishment!


sara   February 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

if you listen to Dr. Phil interview Evelyn she had 40 fertilzed embro and she felt if she did not give birth they would just die and she owe it to them to give them life


Vicki   February 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

Dr. Phil,

I believe your involvement, concern, and offers of help for Nadya's children have been genuine.

To have that many children in her present situation is unconscienable! She's selfish and "not working with a full deck".

The physician who performed the procedure knew her family situation and was also asked by BOTH Nadya's parents NOT to do it! Charges of being unethical should pressed against him. He should have had the decency to refuse to do the procedure.

The problem with this country is total lack of accountability and this case is no exception. God help those children!


Kelli from Tampa   February 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

Love the kids, however, the mother has no business "raising" them.


Tom   February 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

Dr. Phil, let's be real. Depersonalization is the least of my worries with this situation. Nadya needs to deal with what she has brought upon herself no matter what that means.


Ellen, Ontario,Canada   February 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

I don't understand why everyone is saying "think of the children". She needs a home, clothes, money......she has a plan....you can see from her turning down help from Gloria.

This woman will be more rich then any of us within 6 months. Don't worry about her and those babies.....networks, media, talk shows, book deals.....everything will help her out when it comes to money. She will have nannies coming out of her ying yang while she is out shopping and get more plastic surgery to get rid of her jelly belly.


Terry Nigh   February 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

I also want to know how Octomom is going to pay for 8 crubs, 8 baby car seats, a van for transportation, food, doctor care for the new babies, ect.. She and her family claim they have very little money, but she new about these kids over 30 weeks ago per Dr. Phil's interviews, but she had no plans for the new babies to come home. I have seen the house she lives in, and I would not let one kid live in that household. Now, she wants money and help from the public. She has lied to us and her parents. Maybe she should take the Porno offer? Very bad judgement on the Octomom. She should have thought about her kids and the newborns many months ago. If she has no plans, Kaiser should not let the new babies come home.


Shenetha   February 27th, 2009 9:57 pm ET

She will need help, why can't this negative energy everyone is displaying be turned to something positive, show compassionate America and let's help her.

America, think for a second, everyone is so worked up over her decision to have these babies, how will what is said today affect the babies lives as they grow older and they hear these nasty comments from so many?

How can people send death threats to someone that has done nothing to them, I don't understand how people can be so mean towards another human being for having more than a normal number of babies at one time, it was her decision!

If she killed someone, then I can understand your frustration, but she gave life. Don't kill her spirit with ugly words, help her.

HATRED is a very powerful tool and America you are showing that ugly side of you once again.


Norma   February 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

I am having trouble understanding who so many people are so concerned...we are consumed by her. Let her find her family and friends to take care of her children. All these experts worrying about this family....she did wrong, but she is okay, the babies seem to be okay..lets move on, there are many other families who need help, people who are killing their children, at least she seems to love her children. What about the family that have 18 children and have a TV show. Why is no one talking about them. Leave the woman alone, How dare people want to adopt her children. Dont you people have anything to do, why is everyone setting her up to fail,


T. in South Florida   February 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Karina, We can't move on. She's always on TV!


Rosia Meador   February 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

If she can pay for the invitro fertilization, then she should be able to pay for nanny's to help care for the babies. Also she should not have been receiving government assistance, foodstamps, and assisted living while she had $27,000.00. That was frauding the government and us the taxpayers. I think she should be treated as a criiminal, ,because anyone else would be, because evidentally she lied on her application for governmant assistance. We have elderly people that need help and only receive $10,00 a month and go hungry, that worked all her life. This woman needs to be made pay for the care of these children. She and her doctor knew exactly what they were doing when they implanted the 8 embryo, it was a publicity stunt, not even taking the childrens wellbeing into consideration. Action needs to be taken on some accountability for both's irresponsibility,


michelle   February 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

She should let the Douggers adopt the babies...they have 18 and are very incredible parents. She already used some of their names...The son just married, he could take at least half. LOL This mom is not willing to work as hard as the Douggers nor be as creative. I think the doctors are responsible for implanting a single woman without employment so many times and with so many babies. I think the man who donated for her should have kept track of the situation. I think the mother needs some long term Dr. Phil in house therapy. They all need to go into adoptive homes as soon as possible.


Col. Michael McDowell, USA   February 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

Nadya willingly painted herself into a corner, and now she wants publicity and sympathy to rescue her. What a crock of S*$T! This woman doesn't deserve to own cats or dogs let alone mother children. For all you bleeding hearts who condone her irresponsibility you should mortgage yourself to the hilt to bail her out, and let your stupidity be put into action!!


dh   February 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

I've not heard anyone mention anything about Octo Mom's kids father. Where's these kids father? The 6 (six) other kids should have a father somewhere.


Claire McElroy   February 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

This is the mother of 14 beautiful children. Please trust that she will take care of them with the help of many. These babies survived for some reason.
The lack of respect shown her by the media as well as the many mental midgets who have responded is a disgrace.


nahid   February 27th, 2009 9:58 pm ET

When are you going to question the doctors involve in this case. they are responsible and they should not be able to practice medicine anymore.


Tracy   February 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Every one is talking about this girl, I recall not so long ago when some other women were criticized in having a lot of kids and living off the system. My comment is stop criticizing and hoping for the worst and help. Nadya should run as for as she can from Gloria Allred. She needs housing first. You have Oprah, Dr. Phil and other media wanting to do these interviews now start paying her for them. She could get enough money to buy or build a large home for her kids. And once again Gloria Allred says she wants to help, then step back unless she has something to gain for herself. I do believe she is involved for Gloria interest and not for Nadya.


Sherri   February 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Dr. Phil
you are usually so generous to people who need him. I admire that quality. I would like to know how you are helping out Nadia and her babies. I seen several shows with you discussing this problem. How about you're son show .? Your family has been blessed with healthy children.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Kelli... I work for social services... I know what will happen... the children will end up in group homes and ended up a mess when they get older. Its just very sad!


Maggie   February 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Cheryl Janes: Seriously? I think your grandparents situation was a little different. The older children took care of the younger children back then. The age differences were vast, not 14 kids under the age of eight. Your comment showed a lot of ignorance to life at that time.


BONNIE   February 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

WHY HAS NO ONE QUESTIONED HER ABOUT ALL THE MONEY SHE RECEIVED FOR HER DISABILITY SETTLEMENT AND OTHERS. WHY DIDN'T SHE USE THE MONEY TO PAY THE PAST DUE MORTGAGE AND BUY A HOUSE AND USE THE REST TO PROVIDE FOR THE SIX CHILDREN. INSTEAD OF BUYING MORE BABIES AND GETTING PLASTIC SURGERY WHICH IS OBVIOUS.

HER FATHER SAID HE HAS DONE ALL HE CAN BUT WHY IS THE MORTGAGE $23,000 PAST DUE. HE STATED HE WASN'T EVEN AWARE OF IT SO HE MUST NOT HAVE BEEN IN TOUCH AT ALL.

I BELIEVE THIS WAS ALL A SET UP FROM THE BEGINNING WHEN DR PHIL INTERVIEWED HER AND SHE AGREED SHE NEEDS HELP, HER MOTHER SAID, "AND WE NEED A HOUSE." RIGHT AWAY NAYDIA SAID TO HER "OH MOTHER WE CAN'T ASK FOR THAT"

WHY HAS THE STATE GIVEN HER SCHOOL LOANS WHEN THE MONEY IS FOR HER CHILDREN, AND MANICURES AND PEDICURES AND EXPENSIVE AND IT'S OBVIOUS SHE HAD PLASTIC SURGERY. WHEN SHE KISSES HER CHILDREN ON THE CHEEK, HER LIPS STICK TO THEIR FACE LIKE A PLUNGER.

ON ANOTHER INTERVIEW SHE STATED THAT THE DOCTOR TOLD HER THAT SHE SHOULD PLACE ALL THE EGGS IN HER BECAUSE OF HER AGE. THAT IF SHE WAITED LATER IN LIFE, THEY MAY NOT SURVIVE. ..SO HE LEAD HER TO BELIEVE SHE MUST DO ALL OF THEM RIGHT AWAY. HE WAS IN IT FOR THE MONEY AND DIDN'T CARE IF THOSE CHILDREN LIVED OR DIED. THAT'S VERY OBVIOUS!!!


Mike Adcock   February 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Like many, I have followed the Nadya Suleman story since it broke. Despite the media frenzy and conjecture on the part of so many with different vested interests, to me one need only ask a basic question:
What rational woman, already with six children under the age of seven, with no visible means of support, would willingly undergo fertizilation, knowingly leading to eight addtional high risk infants without any additional parental or family support? Despite her claims, which also lead to additional pyschiatric questions, no person, without substantial outside personal, emotional, physical and financial support can successfully provide for all the needs of eight addtional babies in a house already occupied by six young children. I pray she will accept and allow the right mix of concerned specialists to assist her for the well being of these new children.


Liz   February 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

shame on all of you people. you want the government to come into your house and look at all the flaw that exist there – the walls that need to be painted, the carpets that need to be replaced, the ... (fill in the blank). 6 or 7 children is a big responsiblity, but so is having 1. is that hospital setting a precedence that they will now go on home visits for each set of multiples born at that hospital? will someone eventually decide that maybe it's in the best interest of all children to have their parents and homes screened before sending any of them home. Maybe they will decide that none of you are fit parent – maybe you don't spend enough time with your kids or give them enough of all those things that they are surely entitled to in this day in age. God forbid you don't have enough space in your home and the kids have to share a room – guess you can't provide well enough – the state will find a better place for your poor children.

Quite a few people in 2009 choose to have a large family. It's not your choice – it's theirs. I wouldn't make the same choices about a lot of things others make choices about – i wouldn't buy a house that i couldn't afford, i wouldn't choose to smoke, i wouldn't ... (fill in the blank).

stop knocking her for choosing life for her embryos. obviously most of us wouldn't have made this choice. obviously you wouldn't make the same decisions that most of your family and friends choose to make. think about it – this poor lady has the misfortune of being under a microscope and surrounded by the media. maybe now she will capitalize on it – so what. she does need help. stop being so judgmental and self-centered. so what if she collects a check from the government. what about all those irresponsible people who 'bought a house' they never could have realistically afforded or the greedy people who gave them the loans. why don't you all get upset about the 1000s of other people who want to live at the taxpayers expense for life. this woman at least seems to actually love these kids and has actively been pursuing further education so eventually she might come off that welfare.


Elizabeth   February 27th, 2009 9:59 pm ET

Pardon me being petty, but I wish someone would address the expensive MAC makeup shopping sprees, the acrylic nails she dons, the plastic surgery, etc. Normally, it would be nobody's business, however....this woman ADMITTED to Ann Curry she will FINANCIALLY support these kids with STUDENT LOANS & taxpayer money. Why should anyone donate to her when we don't know WHO will truly benefit from the money?? This woman is dirt poor, supposedly, yet everytime we turn around, she's at the salon getting a pedicure, manicure, makeup shopping, etc. When you see her interacting with her kids, it almost seems unnatural....like the kids don't know what to make of their mother giving them attention. They seem like all this attention is foreign to them (perhaps for the cameras??). Whatever the case, this woman is selfish & I for one, am completely disgusted. I truly wish the media would hold her more accountable when they speak to her & stop coddling & enabling her with $$ for interviews, etc.
She SAYS she "hates the attention"....yet she says it with a twinkle in her eye & a smile on her face. DISGUSTING.


Theresa   February 27th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

I keep seeing on the tv live show, that the grandmother's mortgage is almost $24,000 overdue. If the mortgage was $2000/mo (very high) then that means Nadya got pregnant while her mom was already suffering this hardship. I could never place my elder adult mom in that position. Where was her heart in all of this? It sounds like a big "experiment" to me; like Nadya was pushing the envelope to see what would happen and how much attention she could get from this. It is very obvious her other 6 children, and her parents were not on her list of people to care for and love. Not exactly parent quality.


Six   February 27th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Everyone should leave her alone, She doesn't need this harrasment. Nobody should take the kids away from her until the mother has tried and failed raising them. Mom will probably be fine raising them she already did it with 6. 2 more kids is not hard.


S. Smith   February 27th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

To Sandy: The difference is Nadia is not married , employed and is asking for help for the public and the Govt. If she was being a resonsibe parent no one would criticize her. She should have finished school, started this "great high paying job" then she could have as many kids as she could fit in her stomach. She put herself in this position.


Sharon   February 27th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

I agree with fellow comments and Dr. Phil that the babies should be the issue. However, I agree the doctor should be held liable. I would like to hear from right-to-life supporters and if they plan to help her. They would support her decision to honor the embryos as "life". What now?


Lynn   February 27th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

I have to admit, I am ashamed of myself for even watching this show but it came on and I've gotten caught up in watching it. But I figure while I am here, I take advantage of the situation and join in the blog.

Is anyone else absolutely incensed that in this ecomony octomom is going to get a new house, while hard working people all over America have lost or are losing their homes. Dr Phil wants us to stop calling her names?? Bunk, she will get everything she deserves and more I am sure. I will not send her money, not to a woman who has already proven she cares more about herself than her children.

'Nuff said, I just hope the news will stop covering this debacle and focus on real news, like our ecomony and those that are truly in need not because they were stupid enough to have 14 kids, but because they have lost their jobs, their homes, their dignity. Shame on us for losing sight of this and fallng into a media trap of giving octomom the attention she doesn't deserve


Tasha   February 27th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

It is disgusting that this situation was allowed. However, what's done is done. These are innocent, living children – not 8 but 14 innocent children. What people are doing is equally disgusting (Joan Rivers, I'm talking to you). These are children that will see and understand all that is being said of them right now. Spare them the mockery and cruel jokes.


Cheryl James   February 27th, 2009 10:00 pm ET

Also there are so many people in this country, so against abortion, but in this case they are taking daily about how she should have gotten rid of some and kept 1 or aborted them all. Double standards again. Something I see alot in this country. If she would have aborted them all then she would be in the media for killing 8 babies. If I lived near her I would love to give my time rocking feeding bathing changing diapers and all that goes with loveing a child. Their Mother loves them! That is more than alot of children have everyday in this world.


Cyndi   February 27th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

All this Air time, and still nobody has answered the question; how did she afford to have inverto-fertilization in the first place??? Please answser this question.


val   February 27th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

WE ARE IN A RECESSION NO ONE HAS EXTRA MONEY TO DONATE TO HER. SHE SHOULD OF THOUGHT ABOUT HOW SHE WAS GOING TO SUPPORT HER KIDS BEFORE SHE DECIDED TO HAVE ANOTHER ONE REGARDLESS IF SHE WAS UNDER THE IMPRESSION THAT SHE WAS HAVING ONE OR EIGHT. NO MATTER HOW THE MEDIA TRIES TO PORTRAY HER ANY DONATIONS I CAN AFFORD TO MAKE THIS YEAR WILL BE TO THE BREAST CANCER SOCIETY A VERY WORTHY CAUSE.


Suzie   February 27th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Another point..perhaps the infants are breathing and "healthy"..but do any of them show signs of having defects or unhealthy mentally?


Verne   February 27th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

There was a guy on the Dr. Phil Show today who said he has 10 children he's not supporting and he never see the children, the mother of the children had to file a support case for help. they are called "dead beat dads". at least Nadia is with her babies and shows a lot of Love and attention from what we can see on TV. the state is probably helping to support the dead beat dad's ten.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

Col. Michael McDowell I agree with you


lesley oleinik   February 27th, 2009 10:01 pm ET

I don't think it fair to tell the American people we can't forget about the children. The best thing we could do for those children is place them in foster care where they will get the love,nuturing,and stability that children need, There is no way that this mother is going to be able to bond with each child as she should and then still take care of the other six she has,they still require her attention. Nadya couldn't even tell those children apart. If we lend a hand to this mother we are ultimately taking the responsibility for those children and relieving her of hers. I think she needs help but not monetary. She is a great talker and she has worked it all out in her mind but is not present iin the here and now. We all as children thought of how we would like things to be and hoped that our wishes would come true but as we grew so do our thoughts and perspective on how things would really turn out. She is still in the stage of day dreams. I know i rambled but am so tired of hearing about her and no she never dreamed this would happen,on the contrary i think she was hoping it would happen. She talks cirlces around questions asked off her and always has an answer. The more publicity shegets the more she feeds off of it,I think she expects the communtiy to rally aroundher just the way they did for John and Kate plus 8 and the Dugers. Totally different situations but I think she was in the mindset that perhaps the community and public would embrace her also


Heather   February 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Why are so many people so nasty towards this woman and these babies. Even her own mother is a mean spirited person.

My goodness there are TV shows on the air that celebrate multiple births as well as one where there is at huge amount of kids in one family. Why is this family being treated so differently? hmm let me guess?
Why are big corporate sponsors not stepping up to help this family?
I believe because she is a single mom people think they can dump on her like somehow she is not worthy.
The comics spoof you showed is disgraceful & hurtful towards this mom.

Where is the change, generosity & love that all Americans were feeling just a few weeks ago? Now it is business as usual – big surprise!
Good for Dr. Phil for pointing out that this family are real people with names and not just a tabloid article.


Denise Curlis   February 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

I agree with the mother in the clip when she is telling her mother that she wanted all of the embryos implanted, because she did not want any of her babies thrown away or given up for adoption. That is why I feel the whole invitro fertilization process is morally wrong, because why do Dr;s think they have the right to choose which babies will live or die. They are playing God.


eline   February 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

What right does a doctor have to plant a litter in a woman?? Should there not be laws against this?? This is WRONG!!! God is watching.


Carol   February 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

This young woman needs to get some serious help..........no one in their right mind would be so naive as to think she could provide for 6 children.........let alone FOURTEEN.............


franklin   February 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

What about copycat pregnancies? How can we reward this woman for her actions? Will people try to get away with this same sort of action assuming that they will be taken care of? Sure, America is concerned for the children, but it doesn't seem like we will take care of the children without the mother being involved. It seems ridiculous for this woman to be rewarded with financial and child support for her actions. Take care of the kids. Leave this woman out of it.


Judy   February 27th, 2009 10:02 pm ET

Maybe Nadya should not have any help for a couple of days after the babies all come home, perhaps then she might have a clue as to what she has done!! She is so out of "touch" that she has no business whatsoever being in charge of this small "army". She doesn't really value children or she wouldn't have done something so totally wrong!! They'll end up like animals.


j k   February 27th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Dr. phil's conversation with Dr. Lisa Masterson- Masterson says Sulaman has a mind like a 13 yr old. I have a phd in education but one does not need an education to see that masterson's comment is condesending and un-insightful! These television hype types really make me sick. Sulaman is not mentally ill, shes not selfish etc. Her mother seems to be the one with problems, especially seeing how she includes herself and her negative comments about her daughter in interviews the way she has. I hope the public leaves Sulaman alone. I hope she receives all the help she needs. I hope she and her children keep healthy and happy. I hope she and her children prove all the critics and haters wrong!


Sharon Craig   February 27th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

We have Casa here in Alabama. I can't believe these children would have to "wait" to be adopted! There are waiting periods of years for those wanting to adopt. If you are going to give information, give the correct information please! There are many couples who would adopt these babies in a heartbeat. I am not saying these babies should be adopted. Maybe she has a blood clot on the brain, from all that was said about her dangerous pregnancy. I am just starting to take psychology classes in college, but even so, I bet if they did a few tests on this person, she would not be mentally fit to have these children. She could have kept all of this private and quiet but she didn't. And hey everyone, they lied, they were to read our comments and a name or two. They didn't!


Jim Battis   February 27th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

Persons require a licence to fly an airplane, drive a car, and even to fish for gods sake – yet a women who clearly lives in a fantasy world can have children with no checks and balances. Seems to me the wotld's most important job is in need of scrutiny!!!


kim   February 27th, 2009 10:03 pm ET

this woman is a joke.she cannot take care of the six she already had.her parents do this.cant she even clean the house.she dose not work.just a freeloader.she says she can take care of her childen let her and let child protective services keep an eye on her.but i will not watch a movie or tv show or read a book that she makes money off of i will not buy products that advertise for such a show.the house she lives in now is a pig sty.what happened there.she cannot even clean house.this cost no money.she makes me sick.


Pearlie   February 27th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

I am a single mom of 3 boys . My oldest 2 boys have medical problems .
I know the time i have sent in and out of the hospital with them and doctors appointments . It takes a lot time . Being a single mom of 3 has had its struggles with money also. I can not think what life could be with 14 babies that have many medical needs . I am not saying she is not a good person nor a good mom to her other children but having that many is crazy for any woman . i do think she can handle it on her own nor with the help of her parents. i don't think its fair to the state to help her to keep her babies i think she not be allowed to have all this many babies at once .


brandi cox   February 27th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Why do we have to put down this woman. Yes, she has made choices that seem crazy to all of us but she is not a criminal. Let's just move on and think about those children!!


Kendra C. Netting-Ayotte   February 27th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

I was wondering who telling the truth Nadya says her mom spoke to the doctor about the ivf treatments and no more but on Oprah her dad said he did to me the whole family lieing ,and what about her mother home in forcloser she was talking about remodeling the home so much come out that seems not true what is the truth?


Peggy   February 27th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

I would like to know how Nadya paid for her fertility treatment. Dies she get free Heath care since she is not working? If so, did the free health care pay for her fertility treatment?


Sandi   February 27th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Nadya doesn't want the angels in waiting offer because it doesn't involve cash. That would mean no fancy lattes, manicures, plastic surgery, and IVF treatments. May even mean that the California taxpayers won't be cutting a check for food stamps and disability payments.


Kelli from Tampa   February 27th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

Verne you do not have to bet about that dead beat dad, and all the other dead beat dads in this country...yes the state is supporting them.


Lorri   February 27th, 2009 10:04 pm ET

I believe she thought she would possibly have one more. There is no way she could have thought she would have eight. I thnk she loved her kids and didn't want to leave her embrios behind. I think she was just as shocked as everyone else. She needs help and I beleive although she made a mistake, given the help, she will love her children and take care of them. They are human beings and they are her children. She shouldn't have to give them up. She is not the first to make a mistake like that. I don;t beleive any child is a mistake. All children are meant to be.


sara   February 27th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

hosptial will not let bring the babies home because she not ready


Linda   February 27th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

Was Dr. Phil's quote "You can make a right decision or make a decision right?"

I can't remember it but I liked it.


Cathie Lynn Profant   February 27th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

I am hearing a lot of speculation by your guest as to why Naydia did this, but no one is listening to her. She told all who will listen, she did not want these embryos "killed". She put her own life at state to save the life of her children (embryos). Why is she being attacked and threatened with losing them now? This discussion is very hurtful and threatening to her. Why should the children not stay with the woman who risked everything for them. If I had embryos and I was told what would was to be done with them I only hope I would have the courage she has., and the faith.

Dr. Phil have more heart, these children need her. She is a hero, only not by today's standards. Be kind to her with your words. Your words sound judgmental and your words need to be more encouraging not demanding.

I give her my love and understanding as a Christian. Please pass it along to her. It sounds as if she needs it. Bless you Naydia and your precious babies.

Cathie Lynn


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 10:05 pm ET

@ Cheryl James

If it is proven that this crazy woman has committed FRAUD and I am sure she will be carefully invistigated... she will be in PRISON and her 14 children in group homes.

Are you willing to adopt them????>?


Margie   February 27th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

Dr. Phil please asking for us to support her... You give her money okay..


ZA   February 27th, 2009 10:06 pm ET

I'm going to play the role of underdog here because I'm not going to jump on the "let's bash Nadya bandwagon"...

I realize that Nadya had too many children, but what's done is done... you can't unscramble scrambled eggs... you can't chop sawdust.

It's her life and no one of us (including Dr. Phil or most anyone on TV) are going to have to take care of these children, so why is everyone so hostile? All of you who are so critical are all going to go on with your lives and never lift a pinky to take care of them, so please shut up already!!!

She's said time and time again that she intended only to have two more children, not eight more.

Is this a tough situation? Yes. But what's done is done. There's nothing to gain by complaining and being critical of Nadya.

People are upset saying, "We're going to have to pay for some of it from our taxpayers!" Really? And what's that going to cost for each of us? One penny per person? No one does the math. Has anyone actually bothered to determine what this will cost? It's not as though only a million of us contribute to things. Everyone in America pays for all sorts of crap we don't even know about from our taxes. There are over 350 million people in America. Out of all those, how many are old enough or young enough and strong enough to work, and gainfully employed, and paying taxes? 200 million people? What's a couple of million dollars divided by 200 million people? It's one penny. Oh, yeah, poor babies! As tax payers, you may have to pay one whole penny, when it comes down to it. Big freaking deal. Quit your whining. What's done is done.

If Dr. Phil and Oprah and other TV celebrities are so concerned about Nadia, why don't these billionaires/millionaires get together and take some of the money out of their own fattened bank accounts and buy her a house and provide some money for her and be done with it already! They'll make it back in compound interest from the rest of their money within a short time, anyway.

Comedians sit around and mock her situation to increase the ratings of their shows at Nadya's expense, which is a sick and pathetic thing to do in and of itself. Do they care? No. All they care about is themselves. I don't think most anyone truly cares about this gal... they just want to increase their show ratings... so forget them.

If you don't have anything helpful to contribute, except for biting criticism which does not help anybody or anything, then SHUT UP and go away.

It's time to be constructive, not critical.


Linda   February 27th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

I wonder how Nadya's emotions are. Hormones are crazy after birth. She presents herself very pulled-together in interviews, but she's probably a wreck inside. I feel sorry for everyone involved. I don't have anger, just sadness.


Kelli from Tampa   February 27th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

Here is more food for thought...the state pays for Viagra, but not birth control. Makes you think doesn't it?


Carolyn   February 27th, 2009 10:07 pm ET

I have a suggestion for Mrs. Suleman, Nadya's mother. Let Nadya and the 14 move to the new house. Mrs. Suleman stays in her house (peace and quiet at last!), possibly taking in a boarder to make some money to get caught up on the mortgage. Nadya made the mess, let her deal with it.


Jan   February 27th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

I absolutely feel sorry for the children and grandparents. She's out of touch with reality and probably thought that she could play the system. By not accepting the assistance of Gloria Allred, this leaves me to believe that Naydia and her publicist were banking on money without stipulations. I know a scam artist when I see them.


Ellen, Ontario,Canada   February 27th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

Cyndi,

Back in 1999 a riot broke out where she worked and a desk fell on her back. She said she begged to go back to work, but they wouldn't let her. She went into a depression and mood swings. She sued and settled out of court for $165,000 and that is where she got her money from for all her IVF and plastic surgery.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

We have thousands of people in this country who are working without medical insurance and need medical help and nothing is out there for them….then you get a woman who is selfish and because of our laws, will absorb close to 10,000 people’s need for medical help. I THINK THAT IS OUTRAGEIOUS!!!


franklin   February 27th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

COPYCAT PREGNANCIES? ANYONE ENTERTAINED THE THOUGHT THAT THIS WOMAN COULD BE STARTING AN EPIDEMIC OF IRRESPONSIBLE BIRTH PLANNING? SHE WANTS THE 2 MILLION DOLLAR HOUSE WITH THE MEDIA COVERAGE.


Dr John   February 27th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

As a practicing plastic surgeon and a father, Iam astounded that this mother paid for a rhinoplasty and lip enhancement before paying her mortgage and asssuming finacial (albeit minimal) responsibility for these 14 children


Lorri   February 27th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

I believe she thought she would possibly have one more. There is no way she could have thought she would have eight. I thnk she loved her kids and didn't want to leave her embrios behind. I think she was just as shocked as everyone else. She needs help and I beleive although she made a mistake, given the help, she will love her children and take care of them. They are human beings and they are her children. She shouldn't have to give them up. I don;t beleive any child is a mistake. All children are meant to be.


maggie   February 27th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

Dodie, don't waste your time on Cheryl janes. Her comments about her husband's grandparents having many children show her ignorance.


James In Kamiah, Idaho   February 27th, 2009 10:08 pm ET

Dear Larry and Dr. Phil,

Let's be brutally honest here... as if that hasn't happened yet :D...

We need to stop calling her Octomom, not because it dehumanizes her, but because she has aleady had 6 babies, three of whom are special needs children.

That would make her somthing like Quatrocetmom or something like that. The 6 children she had first were too much already, so for her to have even 1 more child is an atrocity.

I don't say this because I worship some imaginary friend, but rather because I'm an Atheist, and I don't see how her conscience can grant her leave to do what she did. She has absolutely no grasp on reality; period. She will not give all her love to these children, she is not going to find some magical resevoir of inner strength, and there is no ferminine fertility goddess who's going to up and come to her rescue. I'll tell you who will though... patsies like her mom and dad, and feminist who deems it right or just to allow this woman to exploit and profit off her own children.

She is an oblivious and empty young woman who sees herself as a baby factory. Just before she decided to take this on, I'm certain she felt like many factory owners inMichigan who had to go day by day looking at an empty and unproductive factory, and who can't appreciate what they've already done. She has taken on this burden out of selfgratification and to supplant the need for adult companionship.

Her children need to be raised by someone else so they don't grow up believeing her behavior is acceptable.


Sandra King   February 27th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

I am shocked that this woman has no feeling for her parents, that are helping her raise her children, her mother is about to loose her home, and she does not seem to care. I am an only child and I have five children, the first two were twins, I was so busy taking care of them the first 4 months was a nightmare, I had a husband to help me out, and never went on Welfare or State assistance, then I had another child which meant I had two children under the age of one and then a newborn, It was really difficult, and I have always felt bad that I could not give them the time individually that they needed, and I really tried to share time with them. I cannot imagine raising 14 children, without a job or financial means. I believe she is a very selfish woman and I feel that some of these children will be deprived of the love and care that they need, and I feel sorry for her parents.


GRAM23   February 27th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Nadya Suleman , Do whats best for your children let them help you get what you need. CPS<DCFS can and will help you.


dbauer   February 27th, 2009 10:09 pm ET

Let those who feel compasion for this woman take on her financial support themselves. As for the rest of us who have always worked for a living and have responsibly supported our families, let us have the right to refuse that any additional tax dollars go toward supporting this woman, or any other woman on public assistance that continues to belt out babies perpetuating the constant welfare lifecylcle we are all forced to support.


Jalee   February 27th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

Nayda knows she is going to become a very rich woman. Someone needs to be appointment to guard the cash donations to make sure they are used to care for all of these children. Nayda should never have control of any donated money. Nayda has made it very clear that she is not a responsible or mature person.


Dale   February 27th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

ENOUGH BASHING ALREADY. FIRST OF ALL IT IS REALLY NONE OF ANYONE'S BUSINESS! IF SHE CAN MANAGE A WAY TO PROVIDE FOR THEM, THEN I GIVE HER THE THUMBS UP. SHE SEEMS DETERMINED WHICH TELLS ME THAT SHE LOVES ALL OF THEM VERY MUCH. AS FOR NADYA'S MOTHER, SHE SHOULD STOP THINKING ABOUT HERSELF AND HOW THIS WILL AFFECT HER LIFE AND START THINKING ABOUT HER DAUGHTER AND GRANDCHILDREN AND HOW THEY REALLY NEED HER LOVING SUPPORT AND HELP. SINCE SHE MADE THE DECISION TO BE NADYA'S MOTHER, WHY DOESN'T SHE STEP UP TO THE PLATE LIKE NADYA IS DOING AND BE A GOOD MOTHER.
I REMEMBER A PERIOD IN TIME AROUND THE 1890'S TO 1920'S WHEN THERE WERE LARGE FAMILIES. MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER HAD LIKE 16 CHILDREN WITH HIS FIRST WIFE WHO DIED THEN LIKE ANOTHER 11 WITH HIS SECOND WIFE. PEOPLE HAD LARGE FAMILIES IN THE PAST AND THEY DID EXACTLY WHAT NADYA IS DOING. BELIEVING IN HERSELF AND THAT WHERE THERE IS A WILL, THERE IS A WAY! WE CAN'T CHANGE THINGS NOW, SHE MADE A WRONG DECISION AND SHE IS AWARE BUT I AM SURE EVERYONE HAS ALSO MADE A WRONG DECISION IN THEIR LIFETIME. LET'S GET BACK TO HUMANITY!!! THE DAMAGE IS DONE, SO LET'S MOVE FORWARD NOW FOR THE CHILDREN. I WOULD MUCH RATHER TRY TO HELP KEEP THESE CHILDREN STAY WITH THEIR BIRTH MOTHER WHO ACTUALLY LOVES THEM, THAN GIVE A HANDOUT TO THE DAMN BANKS WHO SPLURGE OUR TAXPAYER MONEY ON PERSONAL JETS, PARTIES AND LARGE BONUSES AND WHO ALSO HAVE TRIED NOTHING MORE BUT TO TAKE OUR MONEY IN LARGE PROFITS FROM OUR FAMILIES. IF CONGRESS CAN HELP THE BANKS, WHY CAN'T THEY HELP NADYA AND LET THEM PAY OFF HER HOME FOR HER! JUST IN CASE YOU WERE WONDERING, I HAVE CHILDREN OF MY OWN.
PEOPLE COMPLAIN ABOUT OUT TAXPAYER MONEY GOING TO THE BANKS IN A BAILOUT, BUT AT LEAST THIS WOULD BE A BETTER CAUSE FOR THE WELFARE OF THESE CHILDREN AND THEIR MOTHER.


Linda   February 27th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

Well said GRAM23


Shannon   February 27th, 2009 10:10 pm ET

I'm disgusted at the way people are making fun of Nadia. Joan Rivers throwing babies on the Rachel Ray Show.....I mean come on and grow up. That was not right at all......what kind of message is that sending? I think everyone that makes fun of Nadia on T.V. should be fined. Yes, I agree it was a poor decision on her part to have more children but that was the past. Who are we to judge when we don't know her. If people are not careful of the comments and jokes they make then that might push her to do something she wouldn't ordinarily do. She has enough on her plate and doesn't need these childish ways to add to it. She needs help with the children period.


LJBaker   February 27th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

I am disturbed when I hear statements about who is going to take care of these babies, the taxpayer, you and me or the mother? Who is taking of all the other children that are in the system? This story has taken on a life of its own. I remember the first day we heard of the birth and that the mother was alone because the husband was in Iraq as a contract worker. Look at the photos of all the medical team that was post and they are smiling and waving and taking credit for this miracle. Everyone was in awe and saw a story they could follow and rally around, and then slowly the story changed and each time the story changed the hate and rage and self righteousness rose. If this woman had been married and had no more than she has now she would not be so vilified. The system has failed her time and time again. Who was watching this doctor that was being paid through insurance? Who was monitoring her Workman's Comp Claim? Who was monitoring the student loans? Who was supervising the special needs kids? The kids are here, that is not going to change and if you don't want to be paying for the rest of their lives one way or another, maybe some basic human decency would be in order.


heddy   February 27th, 2009 10:11 pm ET

I can't believe she turned down the offer from Angels in Waiting!!! That said, the children (and she) need help. that's the bottom line – child protect services should monitor the situation, but giving the kids up for adoption – that;s a bit much maybe child protective services can make her accept the offer from Angels in Waiting asa condition for keeping the kids out of foster care.

juging it doesn't do any good. Keep her and the children in your prayers.

Where is all the help that usually appears after a multiple birth? no offers of free formula, diapers etc.


michelle   February 27th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

Why should Oprah, Dr. Phil, or anyone have to pay her for her stupidity? If she wants to talk, let her talk but don't support this ignorant trash. Put them all in good homes with people who can afford to feed, dress, and educate these children. She is out of control.


ZA   February 27th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

Let me correct one thing I said above...

I said:

"People are upset saying, “We’re going to have to pay for some of it from our taxpayers!”

I meant to say:

People are upset, saying, "We're going to have to pay for some of it from our taxes!"

(Just wanted to clarify that).


Karen   February 27th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

Why is this country so consumed with the "Octo-Mom" and her children? Take them away from her?! Get a grip! These are her children and say what you will but this is her business. Go after the doctor if you want but leave that woman and her kids alone! Have you all forgotten about all of the poor women on welfare who have many children without the help of fertility drugs or doctors? And we give them help every single day!!!! Are you going to take their kids too? Because if we take "Octo-Mom's" kids, we might as well start taking welfare children away too! Where do we live in China?! I guess Big-Brother lives next door to the "Octo-Mom"!

Pleople, you should really mind you business before Big-Brother starts telling you what is wrong in your homes and what you do!


Maggie   February 27th, 2009 10:12 pm ET

The comments about families in the old days having many children are so ignorant. Please people, that is just not a valid argument. This woman has 14 children under the age of eight. In those families, the older children raised the younger children.


Angela   February 27th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

She did this for this publicity and the multi-million dollar movie and book deals. I think she is manipulative and looking for a glamourous life. Can you believe she has the time and the money to have fake nails. doesn't she worry about hurting her children with her long, hard nails. She shouldn't be given any support from the government. At first I thought it would be unfair to take her children, but I don't think she cares about their welfare... she only cares about herself and what's in it for her. I know many mothers who work hard in and out of the home... and have to sacrifice some of the nice things in life to make sure that their children are well cared for. This is very distressing...


barbara   February 27th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Mr King Dr Phil..it's not a good idea/actually dangerous/ to pick up a newborn if one has l o n g NAILS,,we wash our hands before we pick up a baby & remove all rings, jewelry.....is she spending $$ on botox, plastic surgery, etc,,,,


Linda   February 27th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

Lori! LOL!!


dee   February 27th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

I'm wondering where's the other 6 (six) children's dad or Dads? I've heard nothing about their father at this point of reporting on Nadya's delivery of the 8 other children. It's like we've failed to look at the other side of the issue.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 10:13 pm ET

@ T. in South Florida

My biggest fear is that other crazy women who want to become famous and be taken care of by our tax dollars will do the same thing... and we will end up with a multitude of women having 8 or more babies at one time. Now that really scares me!

I work for social services... I have seen just too much harm parents do to their children... I work in child sex abuse crimes... some parents can be really sick...


James In Kamiah, Idaho   February 27th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

Dale, it is everyone's business that this young woman has committed a selfish act of evil.
She isn't looking for you to defend her, she's looking for you to sponser her. To be a generou$ Benefactor.

She's looking for a new house, adn the bigger the better. She's looking for a special legacy.


Rose   February 27th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

Lets face it, the babies are her. It is unfortunate that their mother made the decision in have the procedure, which brought this about. Regardless, WE, the taxpayers are going to bear the burden of her decision. We are paying for enough, you think! Naydia is not dealing in reality and needs psychiatric help. I would say, we know Naydia will not be able to care of these children, without a HUGH handout. Taking the children from her would not be my decision, BUT , to whomever it may concerns, if there is a book deal and an influx of financial assistance from the wonderful people in our country, please make sure the money is placed in an account where Naydia can not spend it at her discretion. It does not appear she has sound judgment and money if placed in her hands, it may not be used wisely, evident by a decision to have 14 children in todays unstable economy.


d kizlinski   February 27th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

The irresponsible doctor that allowed this to happen should now be required to be responsible for these children, all 14, including mental treatment for their mother and himself minus his medical license.


Lyn Ford, R.N.   February 27th, 2009 10:14 pm ET

Four (4) nurses, 2 day 2 night. for the octoplet babies is a misnomer.
As a scheduling R. N. for around-the-clock patient care, this merely means daily. In order to accomplish this, caregivers need days off, sick days,car won't start, child at school cut arm seriously at recess, have to leave, dental emerg., death in immediate family: you get the idea. Caregivers are human. The are people with lives. They must have back-up, redundancy. This is why G. Alreds (sp) original offer was as planned by the "Angels".(52)! Mother Nadia needs rest or ill days too! I know that the true depth of absolute responsibility to these babies: formula, feeding, charts; stocking items. clothes and supplies for the next shift a clean workable environment.cleanliness.. it all goes with a shift's work. I recall having a well babies nursery (hospital) for the nite shift. Feed and diaper twice, nine bed baths, etc, constant and delightful, BUT organized, not just for me, there & on duty.


cindy   February 27th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

this is NOT an abortion debate, that is the spin she is giving it now. She could have donated the embryos to another couple, which would be a very selfless gift, but Nadya is selfish, it's all about her.

Those who mention Jon & Kate, I don't belive the TAXPAYERS paid for any part of their lives. We have already paid millions to Nadya in medical & welfare.

She seems to think it's the obligatiion of the Calif taxpayers to pay for her dreams & lifestyle.

It's funny but look at all the videos provided.....she's just lounging around with her kids, I don't think I've ever seen Kate sitting down unless it's for the interviews. Her mom is the maid & caretaker.


Ellen, Ontario,Canada   February 27th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

Dale,

Times and the economy has changed from our great grandparents days. People are losing their homes and we are suppose to donate money so she can get a home?!

And her mother is a senior! She should be retired and enjoying her life and not starting all over and taking care of children. She can't even enjoy her life because she is so much in debt from her house! I would never expect my mother to take care of my kids when she is in her retirement years. When does she get her break?!


Dale   February 27th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

I FORGOT TO MENTION THAT I AM GLAD THAT MY GREAT GREAT GRANDFATHER HAD THAT MANY CHILDREN BECAUSE MY DNA LINE CAME FROM ALMOST THE LAST CHILD THAT HE HAD. THANK YOU FOR MY LIFE AND MY CHILDREN'S LIVES GRAMPY! I LOVE THEM DEARLY, THEY ARE MY WORLD!


ZA   February 27th, 2009 10:15 pm ET

@michelle said:

"Why should Oprah, Dr. Phil, or anyone have to pay...?"

Ultimately, they don't HAVE to. But this isn't about Nadya. This is about the kids. God says that if you have the capacity to help, you're responsible to do so.

They should put their money where their mouths are. Lord knows they have the money to do it.


Linda   February 27th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

People love this stuff. We love complaining about things like this. No one really cares about this women or her kids. It's just the latest thing to be indignant about.


Suzanne   February 27th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

I feel that Nadya is not equipped to care for all these kids and the 8 babies would be better off adopted out to couples who are unable to have children and would love to give each of these babies the love and care that they are going to need.


Reg   February 27th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

Nadya and Dr Phil make me sick


Linda   February 27th, 2009 10:16 pm ET

Dale,

Don't thank your grampy. Thank his oldest kids. They were the ones raising the little ones.


karen   February 27th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

Sounds like the angels in waiting is a great idea. Why Nadya's spokesman does not want to deal with Gloria is highly questionable.


Anne   February 27th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

Should anyone in America be surprised at the expressions of MORAL OUTRAGE? There is not any evidence that Nadya can provide a decent home for six children ALONE. Without her parents, Nadya and her six might be homeless. If the house goes into foreclosure, she may get there fast.

The eight babies need to be protected. There must be a way that they can be placed into foster-adopt homes, with the goal to have them permanently placed in the receiving families. A foster family willing to receive an infant legally has first option to adopt, if and when the court determines that the infant is legally available for adoption.

Friends of mine who already had eight children, three adopted, exercised that option when a foster care infant whom they had had since age of seven days, was released to adoption at about eight months. They loved her and could provide that stable home for one more baby. (All of their babies were single births.)

Americans go to the ends of the earth to adopt a baby, willing to risk birth defects of all sorts. There is no shortage of stable, loving American homes with open doors for these babies. Is that four singles and two sets of twins? No problem.

I am all for the permanent solution here. It is morally responsible. Then, perhaps longterm therapy for Nadya.........with no visitation to the babies. They deserve decent lives.


celest   February 27th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

DR. OK She had the baby's everyone is taking this a little to far 1)people are worried about is this going to fall on the tax's pay's lap so what! were paying for everything that comes across our path anyway.why are people makiing this so wrong at least we know it going to a life and not in someones pocket. I don't mind MY TAX'S DOLLARS going to a new life that has came into this crazy world at lease i'll be able to see were it's goin and not have to wonder if it' going in someone's pocket's like we are doing with this bailout. why aren't we looking,hopiing for the best like there health,happiness and growth,let these kids be kids,all that they can be. take the limelight's away from the mom and let her live her life. stop makiing her look bad! find the good in her talk about that . were quick to put someone in the ground but to pick them up no know one know's the mean of that I wonder why?


Martin Konrad   February 27th, 2009 10:17 pm ET

I am looking to this show and in my mind came o lot of quetions:
1. I am sorry that my English is poor but I hope you will understant what I'll say.
2. Why in the richest country like USA doesn't exist social programs like in Europe: For each birth a mom received an amount of money she can stay 2- 3 years home to take care of her children?
3. If she are on the DSHS, this institution can't affort to cover her expenses? Why they have a lot of birocrats for nothing? For cases like this I am agree to pay taxes but for family plan, especial for abortion programs NEVER EVER!!!!!!
4. If she wanted just one kid, why she has 8? Was a medical mistake? Why she not intent a proces against this medical insititution? I red that in USA 90,000 people died each year, because of doctors mistake and nobody can to nothing because before of medical process they put you to sign a lot of paper and all the responsability is yours!!!!!!
5. I wached her home condition – I work to remodel apartments now . I saw many families with less kids in a worst condition!!!! I sow one apt. where you can't tell what color is the wall or carpet everything was dirty!!!! They had just two kids!!!!
6. Don't forget the babies needs mom's love not institution love!!!! I saw a lot of families with 12 or 16 kids in Europe but no one gave their only one kid away for adoption!!!! May will be good for medical institution to monitorise this family because of special condition if she can't affort than....The last she supose to have a husband first before have kids!!!!! She made mistake, medical institution made mistake....for popularity, for money but what about kids??


Rita J. Mowrey   February 27th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

Dear Dr. Phil,

They are taking pictures of this house!!! She has been on bed rest for months to save these babies lives!!! Children sometimes write on walls!! These photos are being taken in such a way as to pick up all of the worst that can be found!!! The home is too small but in many past cases when a woman had a large multiple birth, a large home was given to them free, I believe!! She has to have been a great mother, if not, believe me, WE WOULD HAVE HEARD ABOUT THAT LONG AGO!!!!

Why aren't we all pulling together to help this mother who didn't want to kill some of the children she was caring? She had "babies" planted three times before and she didn't become pregnant, she wanted two, not eight!! We are not to judge this, we are to help with this!

Dr. Phil you could name people willing to donate their time to keep account of the money. Take donations to buy a large home, get hired help and do everything that is earthly possible to keep this family together!!! She is being treated like a terrible person. Maybe this could be a test for EVERYONE!!! We should all. everyone, pull our funds and hearts together to keep this wonderful family together!! The time is past to start judging this mother!!! PLEASE EVERYONE, PLEASE HELP!!

We should all give time, money, whatever we can, to help!

I guess now would be a good time to ask ourselves...."What would Jesus do" ? Or what would He want us to do?

HELP THE MOTHER!!!

Rita J. Mowrey – rainbowrjm@aol.com


dee hinkleman   February 27th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

time to stop beating up on nadia, which is totally counterproductive. these beautiful children are here and she loves them. we spend 35000 dollars on each prisoner per year. we need to help her. i am not about to pass judgement. the important thing now is to help her with a plan that promotes thriving healthy infants. whether or not we agree with her is irrelevant.


Dale   February 27th, 2009 10:18 pm ET

THE MOTHER, "BEFORE SHE MADE A DECISION TO HAVE A CHILD!" I KNOW TIMES HAVE CHANGED, BUT WE ARE THE REASON! AND I DIDN'T SAY THAT SHE HAD TO TAKE CARE OF THEM, I SAID SHE SHE BE SUPPORTIVE AND HELP.


sammy   February 27th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

did Gloria Allred offer help ? why was she refused ? sad..there is help out there...


Susan Ferriter   February 27th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

It's admirable that Dr. Phil wants to help Nadya Suleman and all of her children. I just watched him on your show as well as his interview on his own show a couple of days ago. However I found it offensive and uneccessary to show the supposed "comics" clips. What was the intention behind that insensitive move? Dr. Phil must have found them amusing as well as he was chuckling. Shame on him and anyone who found that amusing.


RockyRacoon   February 27th, 2009 10:19 pm ET

Why do you not delete the posts that call this women octomom and other such derisive names but delete mine when I ask about the infertilities doctors who didn't follow guidelines, or about a a discussion regarding reproductive technologies. You let all manner of posts pass that are derogatory and insulting regarding Nadia but If I call someone an abulance chaser or misogynist I get deleted? Does corporate CNN have shares in this particular hospital? If so, you should declare a conflict of interest.
Cheers,
RR


Dale   February 27th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

THANK YOU DEE!!!!!!!!!!
MAYBE IF THERE WERE "MORE" OLDER KIDS HELPING TO RAISE LITTLE ONES, THEY WOULDN'T HAVE SO MUCH TIME ON THEIR HANDS TO GET INVOLVED IN CRIME!


Kelli from Tampa   February 27th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

I agree dbauer....that sounds like a good plan to me...all of you who have no problem supporting a mother and doctor who are reproductively taking taxpayers hostage, pay for this..and if any of them have any biopysychosocial problems you are taking care of that too as well as regular medical bills and support for shelter, food etc...


Allen cox   February 27th, 2009 10:20 pm ET

What do you think they will call the show and when she she reaches her first million who will be laughing ?? I hope they make her pay some of the money back when this happens. I dont think the others did when they moved into the million dollar mansion..


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

@ Lori! You are just too funny... Laughing so hard I think the neighboors could hear me. That is a good one....


Ms. Berry   February 27th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

I am so grateful for you Dr. Phil and all those whose first concern is for those beautiful little babies, and all of the children involved in this "circus". It is not for us to judge, but hopefully learn and evolve from all this. I do not know what Ms. Suleman's authentic agenda is ... only she knows the REAL truth. I feel, the doctor who implanted these embryos should also be responsible for this. When a man and woman get pregnant, it takes two to make a pregnancy realized ... this doctor, is the man who irresponsibly made this woman pregnant, whether he implanted 1 or 6 embryos. He is living well in Beverly Hills, he certainly has the means to assist financially. If he were a man of honor and courage, he would take responsibility and step up to the plate to help out.


Marie   February 27th, 2009 10:21 pm ET

Will someone please donate $10,000.00 for me to go toward the children. I can't ... as I'm one of those Americans who has, all my life, dutifully paid my bills, mortgages, car payments, credit cards, and Federal and State taxes, as well as keeping up with the many other monetary decisions I've made throughout my life. I've never received a freebie from the government, be it local or Federal. I know I am blessed for what has come into my life ... but I also worked 32 years to achieve it. I'm beginning to get bummed that perhaps I've actually failed in life as it seems as if 'GIMME' is the new IN word.

How have I been able to do this? I practice the quality of life my parents instilled in me at an early age ... don't buy it if you can't afford it. Don't make decisions you can't follow through on. And for those rare occasions where I might find myself in a predictiment, have a Plan B. So, because just about every dollar that comes in goes out to surviving, I can't give anything to the babies. So, again, will someone please give these babies $10,000.00 ... or maybe $20,000.00 for me. What the heck, lets go for gold .... will someone please donate $1,000,000.00 to this family for me. Thank you in advance and know I truely appreciate it.


Xiomara   February 27th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

This is for Sheila. You have the right to your opinion just like anyone else. But if you want to send donations and better than that, you should offer to help every time you are free and that way you can get a life. My darling.....I have a life and so are all the other people that has kids and grandkids and also the ones that cannot have kids and adopt a child knowing they can afford it. You got it all wrong and need to FOCUS -We are angry because of the safety of the kids and that is the bottom line, dear. When I see people doing crazy things like killing their family, or killing themselves and love ones or doing what this woman did just to make money, I really do not need that person to be mentally evaluated. You are the one that is outright insane.
Think, think, think-Do your math if you are not insane. Would you do that to your kids if you have any? No Job, No house of your own, no contributions to the household, at 34 still a leach to your parents and have the audacity to talk to her mom the way she did it on national television? She need to kiss the ground that lady and her husband walk for put in up with all her pregnancies and keeping all the children while she goes to do her nails and Starbucks that with the economy today I think twice before I get one, and I am in a secure job with the government and like this woman have one grandkid with special needs and I know how much time and love it takes to bring them up to level so one day they can be independent. She has 3 already with special needs and I am sure she will have more because my grandson was 1.11 oz. So if you have not walk on any one shoes and you really care about this children then be an advocate to have them place in homes where people will love them, provide and give them a future. In the meant time if you do the talk then do the walk and offer money, time and everything your body can stand and probably in less than a week you will see the real Suleiman. She is a gold digger and she thinks the babies are her ticket but it back fire because it only lasted two days and when people found out the crime she did with those children, she became the disgusted image of a selfish, manipulative woman. I will not even dignify to call her MOM, because that is a word that carries lot o blessings. Lots of women give birth but few earn the title of "MOTHER"
She wanted to be in the media and she is now, but not the way she expected. She thought Oprah was going to give her 2 mil for an interview. The joke is on her and the children are the victims if the right agencies do not step in on time.


michelle   February 27th, 2009 10:22 pm ET

yes, THEY have the money because THEY have jobs!! Dale, your grandparents had many children and that is wonderful, but they did not ask for assistance from all around them. If I wanted to have 30 puppies in a one bedroom apartment animal control would take them all away because I could not support or care for each of them myself. Idiot


Ron   February 27th, 2009 10:23 pm ET

Let me make this very simple for the people that skipped math class. If you were not born with a silver spoon in your mouth, if you have not hit the lottery, if you do not have the education and experience to earn a good living, if you don't have the ability to make rational decisions...then trust what I'm about to say; you would have to be mentally ill or totally insane to either think that you can afford or are in a position to be responsible for another life!!!! Will someone please admit this woman so she can get the help she so desperately needs.


ZA   February 27th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

Yes, Michelle, I know they have jobs! DUH!

You think a mom with fourteen kids has time to have a regular job? What the heck are you thinking?

Why are you complaining about it anyway? It's not as though YOU will have to take care of these kids. Please go away.


Joyce   February 27th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

I think it was horrible to show the comedians making fun of Nayda and the babies. Dr. Phil should be ashamed of himself. Dr. Phil should help the comedian who has had so much plastic surgery that they start to look more like aliens than humans. Such as the one that made fun of Nayda. I think she needs more help than Nayda. I had relatives who grew up in the Great Depression that had 12 or 14 children. They raised these children on very little, and they grew up wonderfully. Maybe because the families and community came together and helped. I think the media and Dr. Phil are profiting from the hardships of this family. Instead of putting it on air for all to criticize, please stop to help and shut up. Help her raise her children to become productive and happy adults. Hopefully they won't grow up to be like that bitter comedian who needs tons of plastic surgery to make herself feel good.


Pat   February 27th, 2009 10:24 pm ET

This woman is not dealing with reality. So she was lonely as a child...she already had SIX children. That should be enough. These babies are not dolls and will not all be sitting quietly on a shelf in her bedroom. She seems to have no idea what caring for all these children will entail. I feel so sorry for Nadya's mother. The poor woman has no life of her own thanks to her selfish daughter. How can a woman with no home, no job and no income think she can support and raise 14 children. That in itself shows she is not right in the head. I heard she was going to use her student loan money for supporting the babies.....Excuse me but isn't that money supposed to be for school?? And in her unhinged mind, when does she think she will have TIME to go back to school as she says she plans to do?? I hope the DCF will keep a good eye on these children and intervene if need be. This woman is clearly delusional and not dealing with a full deck. These babies need to be protected. Hope the hospital does not release them to her.


Tracyj   February 27th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

why don't the state or dr.phil pay for the octuplet mom's house?


Gloria   February 27th, 2009 10:25 pm ET

I would like to know,why in the world Nadyas mother was in the same house, and living with nadya???Considering the fact that Nadya had 6 children.Why didnt Nadyas mother leave or force nadya to get her own place ,when Nadya had her first child?After all Nadyas mother is an elderly woman,also nadyas mother has already raised nadya:therefore her job is done for life.Nadyas mother needs to enjoy the remainder of her few days jeft on earth ,to travel as much as she can,etc,as any senoir citizen does at her age. does.I hope.nadyas mother has the intelligence to go her own way:which also is due to the fact that nayda does not appear to have any respect for her mother,anyway:not even on national tv.That is shameful,if it is true. nadyas mother deserves far better than this treatment by her daughter, Besides,there is a law in america against any apparent abuse of the elderly,or to take advantage of the elderly.I think nadya want her dear old mother to continue this saga,but it must all stop now.,immediatedly. I dont think nadya would want nurses taking care of her children,along with herself.Why?the nurses would plainly see how she does{,leaving all the work on her mother. }.Her mother is not a free baby sitter,while she work and go to school.Nadya could hire her baby sitters.If the world had not publicized her,noone would had ever known about her,:therefore she would have done the best she could do and raised all 14 of her children.Why is she not working now? instead of arguring with her poor old mother,of all things to do?It is too late now ,to think about nadyas mental status now. The thing is she has to work and take care of all of her children,since they did not ask to be born..Most of all her mother needs to rest in peace.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

@ Kelli from Tampa I completely agree with you


Corrine Johnson   February 27th, 2009 10:26 pm ET

I just watched Dr Phil on Larry King & I have seen Nadia on several talk shows-she sits on the floor & plays with the kids & thinks she's taking care of them-she has no money & can't possibly work because of the cost of daycare-when she had money she blew it on facial surgeries! I saw pictures of her before & she doesn't look anything like she did before-does anyone but me think the girl is in la'la' land & can't & shouldn't be able to care for 8 more kids?? Yes, she is the mother, but no one in their right mind would release them to her & her poor mother. I have 2 grandkids-ages 3 & 5-& it's alot of work with 2, much less 14!!! I'm 63 & I don't know how old her mother is, but she shouldn't be responsible for all these kids just because her daughter was allowed to have them all-they have no money, no home & she isn't stable enough to care for them-it's time for a reality check!!! It's time for someone to sit Nadia down & tell her she can come & visit them while someone else cares for them-la, la land is over-Please someone help these poor kids-when you make immature decisions you have to learn to deal with the reality of what you have done!!! think of all the couples that would love to adopt them-I know this is harsh, but it's the REALITY of her immature decision!!


Yourkiddingme   February 27th, 2009 10:27 pm ET

The only reasoning I have heard behind her wanting 8 additional children is the fact that she was lonely as an only child? This fact is MORE than apparent when we see and hear the way she talks to her mother who please keep in mind, has assisted her in more ways than one with the first six. She is selfish, stuborn and irrational.

The decision to have multiple children was pure selfishnes on her part, nothing more. She has already put her wants and needs ahead of these children. Having 8 more in addition to the other six because she was "lonely" as a child, becasue she wanted a large family all of her life well what about THEM.

I think what she has is a media ploy gone wrong. Maybe she thought that everyone would come rushing in with open arms wanting to provide assistance to her and it's backfired on her. No job, no home, public assistance! What a lot of thought she put into providing ahead of time for "her children" again more proof she was just thinking of herself.

I wonder if she's is happy with her decision now when she faces the possibilty of losing ALL of "her children" and is standing there once again alone.....


Lisa   February 27th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

Something else that has not been talked about at all in the interviews is her injury that prevents her from working. She claims to not be able to work due to a back injury she suffered while working at a mental hospital. I have heard she claims to never be able to work again due to this injury and she collects disability. If someone truely had a back injury that bad, how in the world could she be pregnant and carry one baby, let alone 8 babies? And, when you look at her photos it is obvious she has had plastic surgery. This woman is such a mental case.
I am a single mom with two boys. I own a home, have NEVER received a penny of government support, and the father of my children terminated his legal rights. Having two children full time and working is a daunting task. I love my boys more than I can explain, and my life revolves around their needs. I think about their emotional welfare with every decision I make. I have always lived by the motto-"Every single decison you make has the potential for monumental outcomes, so make every decision a good one." It is NOT about my wants and needs. When you become a parent it is not about you anymore AT ALL. It is all about your children. Our society promotes doing anything you want, when you want. Parenting is a selfless occupation, but I know few people who truely put themselves in second place. I love being a parent, and am confident and content with my station in life. I think Nadya acted very intentional in her actions with no regard to the welfare of her first six children. So, hearing her tell she loves her children more than anything and thinking about what that same statement means to me, it doesnt ring true! She has no idea what true love is. Love is selfless, Love is giving, Love is mature, Love is a lot of things, but it is in nothing she had in mind! She is a very sick woman.


cindy   February 27th, 2009 10:28 pm ET

ellen, canada

"she said" is the operative word. I am in California, the story is VERY closely followed here since we're paying for all this.
She worked at a mental institution, 10 years ago, a fight broke out, and she was injured (that's what the workman's comp records show)
supposedly she had a back injury. The injury didn't seem to interfere with 6 pregnancies, (for all those who are mothers, pregnancy is a strain on your back) the workman's comp system here is broken and they didn't really follow up, supposedly, they contacted her for medical tests on her progress during the years, and conviniently she would get pregnant, and they can't do anything while she's pregnant.
Finally they cut it off this past year, that's where the money came from, Workman's comp.
She gets approx $500 in food stamps a month, and $2400 for 3 special needs kids. She also incurred over $50,000 in student loans.
From what I understand, IVF is very expensive, instead of worrying about the 6 kids she already had, she had another IVF treatment, and plastic surgery.
The has no health insurance, the state is paying approx 5million for the octuplets, plus all the others, while many, many people here don't have health insurance.
Yes, the taxpayers of Calif are very mad.
She lies everytime she opens her mouth.


michelle   February 27th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

I am thinking if you choose to be a single mother you better have a job to support these children. That's what is wrong with this world! Everyone expects to get things for free. Don't overextend period! I would happily adopt a few. I COULD AFFORD IT! She is a drain on society and her poor parents. They should be enjoying their golden years but instead have her insanity. Family takes care of one another but this is beyond the norm. She is selfish and needs get out of her dream world and figure out how to give these babies a life they deserve.


lora   February 27th, 2009 10:30 pm ET

i am so sad by this story, from any sane person's mind, this isnt right any way its presented. i have yet to hear any one ask about her so called "back injury", i know beacuse i live with a severe back injury everyday, there is no way in hell she could have carried 8 babies in her tummy if she had a TRUE back problem,hell most days i cant even half way function,and we see her on tv picking up these precious chunky babies like they are pillows. it makes me so mad!!!! people like her are what makes the healthcare system so hard for those of us that truely have back problems, which in my case are disabling. i say do not support her for sure we all will probally be supporting these precious babies some of them for life maybe,but the mother ,NO! and dr phill i am just so beside myself with you, that you fell into her trap.i say take the babies and give them what they deserve and she cant give, a loving mother and father that can afford them, which she can not provide.even if she went to work tomorrow she will never make enough money to support all these precious children.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 10:31 pm ET

@ Joyce Oh please!!! this octowoman or what every you want to cally her by the way, nadya is not her real name... it is natalie... she has had the $165,000 which was awarded to her for workers comp surgery on her face.

SHE DOES NOT LOOK ANYTHING LIKE HER HIGH SCHOOL PICTURE!!! While collecting from us for medical and aide and having all this plastic surgery done on her... I hope they put her away for the rest of her life in prison for welfare fraud!!!


marilyn   February 27th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

I'm a grandmother, and I consider myself to be a logical person; one that doesn't run on emotion. I'm more upset with the Dr. than the mother. This Dr. should lose his license. He knew she was single, and had multiple pregnancies already. He knew he was putting his patient in harms way, as well as the future of the children. The media needs to focus more on the background of the Dr., (and) his motives. Now, the mother seems to be a good mom; not a dangerous person, and simply loves children. She's confused; misguided, and obviously comes from a dysfunctional home life herself. That been said: I believe she needs our help, both emotional and financially (and) social services rendering service to bring people in to assist her with the children. The "damage" is done; let's fix it now. I don't approve of foster homes; they're too many horror stories. The children Must be permitted to stay together with the mother, and our laws must be made that this never happens again. I can't believe it will be any more cost efficient to seperate the family, than keeping them together. Our nation should be "about family". We're talking about innocent children who need each other now, and will continue to need each other for support. Believe me, I'm very surprised with my opine, but let's get real: she's a citizen. Our hospitals are already burdened financially due to illegal immigrants and those taking advantage of our welfare system, so where do we get the right to tell this woman she shouldn't have the right to keep her children together. There's enough wealthy people that could, in fact, give her a place to live; corp.'s could donate; all can be a tax right off. Bottom line. This CAN be fixed. Dr. Phil. you find help for drug addicts, etc..get creative and help this woman. She NEEDS help. She needs to be monitored. I implore our system to remember how you claim you're so over taxed already; giving that as an excuse when a sweet innocent child is lost through the cracks of pprwrk, and dies/murdered. Why subject these innocent children to a system that has a track record of failure? What happened to all that "voted" for change. Wake-up! We need a "heart check". Dr. Phil – YOU have shown on your program, so you want us to believe, you have the resources to fix those that need help. You and I KNOW – the children need to be together so with your resources maybe, just maybe they (can) have a chance of growing up somewhat functional. Help the mom and the children. Before throwing all of them out like dirty dish rags; give her the opportunity to prove herself. GET THE DR. TO HELP SUPPORT THESE CHILDREN.....
May the Lord bless everyone who will be and is involved with this family, and give them the Godly wisdom they need to make productive decisions for this family.
Marilynn


Anne   February 27th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

Are you kidding me?? The situation is reprehensible!! I for one will not be manipulated into "donating" one single diaper or one red penny to advance this woman's cause. In fact, after this comment I will also not devote another second of my attention to her. It is quite obvious that Nadya is using these children and the media in an attempt to advance her own agenda. Loving mother?? give me a break. Of course, Nadya is crying now.... the hospital may not release the "meal tickets" to her anytime soon. I do feel for the children of course, my heart goes out to them; but it also goes out to the countless families and children who struggle everyday and who do not have the benefit of a con artist for a mother. I am insulted that Dr. Phil and other media types enable Nadya and her self-serving behavior by promoting her to scam the audience. Pulling on our heart strings; that is truly pathetic. One further comment I have for Dr. Phil? I hope that we are not back in this same situation 3-5 years from now because it all worked so well the first time for Nadya.


Martha   February 27th, 2009 10:33 pm ET

Dr. Phil is not asking the tough questions. I want someone from California State government to tell me how and why they continued to allow disability payments to a woman who was so badly injured that she was able to carry babies every year yet was not able to go to work and for 8 years??? Now that they KNOW she has been committing fraud, what are they doing to recoup the $178,000 she got from CA taxpayers and to put her butt in jail?

Now to the babies. I will only donate to Angels in Waiting if they get to take care of the babies. If this fraudster decides to wait for a "better" offer, she will not get a dime from me and neither will her kids. I do not trust her one bit with taxpayers' money.


penny wilson   February 27th, 2009 10:35 pm ET

Level Headed? Is he crazy too? Must be. Dont forget people we have already been paying for her for 10 years now.

And any mother that knowingly has six embryos implanted knowing that children of multiple birth are at higher risk to disabilities is not a gift its wrong. You have six at home three already with disabilities. I work with these children and its sad yes, they are a gift to those who dont expect it, but this women and dr knew the risk of implanting 6 they knew that these kids could end up with illnesses isn't that wrong?

And to whom ever thinks that were all gona pay like a 1/2 cent, its wrong for anyone who takes advantage of the welfare system and add all of them up its a lot more than a 1/2 cent when all is said and done.

Those families years ago who had large families the economy was diff then. My dad supported seven of us on a job that paid him 2.00 an hr, he bought his first house with 500 down and 150 mortgage a month that was larger then my home today and I pay 700.00. Families were together, mothers were still able to stay home, Aunts and Uncles were around. We learn from our past and we need to think of our population and what are impact has on the environment. So just cause it was ok years ago does not make it ok today.


rainy-riverdistrict   February 27th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

I think the media and all associated with it are going completely mad.
Any one who is making a penny off of the misfortune of someone else is just as sick as the victum themselves. There is so much crap going on in this world that should be focused on instead of some woman who had a litter of children....obviously she must have some issues. Dr. Phil and Ya all all........are not helping matters....lets see you truly help someone. You and all your money that you make off of the misfortune of others! I'm so sick of all the repetetive crap in the media..blah blah blah.....there are people impoverished, dying, at war,
and so on and on and on..our world has become numb with dumb!


jd   February 27th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Give this women a farm- like jon and kate plus 8. But make this a wine farm -all those little feet the kids would have a blast smashing all those grapes. and id love to watch, people can stop by for wine tasting, buy bottles and even participate in smashing grapes. And while their, there take pictures with the happy kids, print a post card on the spot and send to friends and family. Lets get real she's not the first women to have 14 kids. My son would love to have 13 brothers and sisters- bet these kids won't be fat. Buy a box of rice grow a vegitable garden. i know foster parents, Ive seen how those kids are treated. Bet they'd get better care from there mother. This country was founded on large family's – people act like its a crime. My son's teacher came from a family of 16, he is the best teacher my son has ever had, he has more kids in his class than any other classroom in the school. (almost 40 kids in one classroom and the class functions better than any other classroom) . just a side note I hear Dr. Phill is not a real doctor is that true? I heard its and honarary title like Dr. Drae or Dr. Zuess. ok so yes – i think this women is Narcissistic. – sense of self-importance, need for admiration, and lack of empathy. but quite frankly I've seen no less from those giving there so called expert oppinion on the doctor phill show. getting there own 5 minutes of fame. Or maybe there just jealous cause they don't have 1 child. The fact is just cause one person thinks its crasy doesn't make it crasy for everyone else. Im turned off by the way this is being packaged and sold to us by the media. I hope your show will present a less obvious biased approach.


Kelli from Tampa   February 27th, 2009 10:36 pm ET

Thank you LISA , I am a single mother of one in your exact circumstances and feel exactly as you do!


AKS   February 27th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

I'm sorry, people have been using the system like this for years, why stop now? Maybe this will help expose the other woman in this country who use the government's money (We The People) to help support their bad decisions, such as having sex before marriage or having abortions when they make the only choice they should have; i.e. not having sex before being married in the first place. This is "woman's choice" at its best. I think she make a good choice for having her babies, no matter how inconvenient it may be for her. Okay, she made one bad choice, but made a good choice in the end.

So, what should be done about this? What happened to personal freedom and for parental rights? Does this mean we're heading towards a society, where I tell you how you should live your life, much less tell you how many children you should have and how many I think you get to keep?

Personally, if we haven't done anything about the abuse by now, why start. She seems to want her children, and sure it wasn't exactly what she expected, but what would people say if she decided to not want her babies? All of a sudden, she would be viewed as irresponsible, but wait, that's exactly what people are saying about her for actually accepting her fate and wanting to try to love her children. Instead of talking about how unable she will be to support them, why not just be compassionate and help her out.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

@ cindy (YES)

She reminds me of a potitian... everytime they open their mouth, out pours lies....

Obama is the first person in years other than Kennedys that I feel he is being pretty honest...or as honest as he dares...


Kelley   February 27th, 2009 10:37 pm ET

I think it is ridiculous the way tv shows can make fun of and accuse her of being an unfit mother when none of you even know her. Who are we to judge her? We are not the judge YAH is and this woman was smart enough to put the fathers name in all of her kids name and most of YOU dont even know it! Just because she is poor does not give anyone the right to take her kids and I think YAH is testing all us and I feel sorry for the ones that don't make the right choice!


Terri   February 27th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

My view point on Nadya Suleman is she is a Loving Mother, very intellegent, She Loves her children, and is caring for them just fine. Her precious babies will be just fine in her care, in her home. They will grow up to be healthy and well ajusted.They were born for a reason. they will be our future well abiding citizens. They will not be neglected, they will be healthy and well provided for , yes, Jesus Christ will make away. "He supplies all of our needs". "His childrens needs will be met one way or another.America pays taxes for everything else lets raise it up a notch, and hand over some of our tax dollars for these precious babies. They are worth it. Thank you Nadya Suleman for bringing these precious babies into the world. who knows , they may grow up to be our future solders, doctors, lawyers, dads, mothers, etc. etc. America needs to be generious with their money and donate for a very worthy. Get rid of anger, and unforgiveness, reach out with unconditional love for this whole family, God bless you for having a change of heart.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 10:42 pm ET

@ Martha ITS CALLED WELFARE FRAUD!!!

Penny, I agree with you


Yasmin   February 27th, 2009 10:44 pm ET

I think she is just trying to get attention. She is in her right mind maybe not but she knows how to get the her stupid on the news. I don't think we should pay for this. I have two kids my husband and I are working and we can't give our kids some of the important things they need. And I don't mean toys. Look at what her first 8 kids live in and what kind of education time she is give them. She couldn't help each child and why should will be helping her get help to have nurses and extra people helping her if ths is something that she did to herself. She is not a good mother I don't care what any doctor says. You are not a good mother if you couldn't be happy with the 8 first kids you have. I would give these kids to the people who are in the list to adopt. She doesn't love herself or the 14 children. She wanted attention and she wants people to think that she is a great mother. She has been watching to much TLC the family of more than a dozen. This is sick and we have other things better to think of.


Carole Babb   February 27th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

There must be continuing care for the babies....not just six months....what is being pulled together for the first two years and beyond?How are you going to keep the care from being fragmented and to prevent failure? There must be a plan for the children already at home and support for the Grandparents who appear to be doing all the parenting and nurturing at this point. Who is working to pull all of this together with the young Mother and her parents? The job for the Mother and her parents would be overwhelming....just feeding and changing diapers and burping and holding and bonding and having time to get recharged is a huge task. Providing sanitary conditions which will be needed for these premature infants is a huge task. Please advise as to how this will all be done with assured continuity? This should not be a game of chance or hit or miss....these are real children....little human beings who must have coordinated care. How can this happen? The answer is NOT a child welfare service or foster care. Who are these angels that Gloria Alred has brought on to the scene....that care will have to go beyond 6 months....but it does seem to offer expertise. Is this attorney being an obstructionist? Why is there not one person offering expert child care guidance (in conjunction with the attorney who should confine his guidance to legal services) to the Mother and help her plan for her children to stop every body and his brother from meddling? I suggest there has to be a credible private childrens agency in the state of California that can offer supportive services to Nadya, her Mother and Father. This would be needed to coordinate a plan that may include the professional angels and housing offers to establish living arrangements for the entire family.......as well as clear and non- threatning parenting mental health support to strenthen the care for all of the children. Right now this is a six ring circus. These people do not need mass confusion. They need a massive plan to care for all the humans involved in this family.


Michele Gibson   February 27th, 2009 10:45 pm ET

First I agree, that Nadya should of never of done it; however, I also believe that everyone has a reason for what they do and the damage is done – we need to move on from here. None of us are in any condition to judge her or anyone else. Bottome Line – "THESE BABIES NEED OUR HELP!"

Looking at the other side of this – now Nadya has a lot on her plate and we all should figure out a way to help and pray for these children. First, we need to remember Nadya just HAD EIGHT BABIES!!!! Nadya's emotions must be going wild and in overdrive. Again, we all need to keep in mind Nadya just had eight babies and she also has six children at home that also need her.

Looking back at the media: Brooke Shields had a hard time after one child – so we need to keep in mind that Nadya can go through the same emotional hard time after eight babies and especially with the media in her face 24/7+. Oh – Let’s not forget that Nadya's babies are still in the hospital and now the hospital is telling her, and the media is fueling this, that they might not let them go home with her because of current living conditions with her other six children. I have had three children and not once was the hospital concerned about the condition of my house when I left the hospital with my babies.

Over the years, I have seen homes where children have had to step over trash or pet's feces and when Children's Service was call – nothing was done. Now that is sad and honestly ticked me off! The TV shows that the current conditions for Nadya and her six children are tight. However, if we can go to other countries and plead for help for these children without pointing out their parents faults – why, should we single out Nadya?

How could you or anyone else at this time expect Nadya to react any different than she has? Nadya knows everyone is watching her every move. Let’s not forget to make fun of her and have Doctor Phil laughing about it too, only seconds after he states how he’s going to help fix this problem. We all need to keep in mind that her children will see these so called funny little skits about their mother. If not now, in the future all of these so called funny little skits – will affect them all!!! I can only pray that they are strong enough to get through this – it breaks my heart that more people are not focusing on the positive side of Nadya vs. Nadya’s bad decisions. Again, the damage is already done and we all will pay for Nadya’s decision; however, Nadya is not alone with making bad decisions that we all have to pay for.

In regards to helping Nadya, give her time to sort out these offers before you go on TV and announce she declined an offer for help. Nadya has already admitted she is scared and doesn’t understand how anyone could say they believe that breaking up the family is for the best. We all need to help her for her children vs. judging her!

Nadya hang in there! I will be praying for all fourteen of your babies!


Anne   February 27th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

Nadya Wants YOUR Money.


Sigrid Morris   February 27th, 2009 10:48 pm ET

In Vitro Fertilization is expensive. Who paid for the first 6 babies and who for the 8? Where did the money come from? She is unemployed. Does she have healthinsurance?

Who paid for her stay at the hospital and who pays for the special care of the 8 babies presently at the hospital?


jean ratliff   February 27th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

Let Dr. Phil pay for the support of the 14 kids. The public is sick of this crazy woman. She just wants millions from the public. I hope all the babies are taken away and ADOPTED.


jean ratliff   February 27th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

Let Dr. Phil pay for the support of the 14 kids. The public is sick of this crazy woman. She just wants millions from the public. I hope all the babies are taken away and ADOPTED.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 10:49 pm ET

@ Kelley And how many women you know can fully take care of 14 children...giving them all their phsyical, emotional and medical needs!!! There is NO judgment... It is just too obvious. Mother nature did not give us 8 breasts and that is because it is un natural in nature for humans to have more than two children at one time. She has already been accepting other people's breast milk. She does not even have enough of that to feed her children.


Mari   February 27th, 2009 10:50 pm ET

MAKE HER have a full psychiatric evaluation!!!


Misty Owens   February 27th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

My husband and I are the proud and exhausted parents of 4 boys.
I can tell you first hand, with 4 kids (ages 11,9,6,&3) we are always busy, and still can't seem to get everything done. There have been more nights than not I have gone to bed wondering if I handeled something right with one of them or spent enough time studying for a test one of them had the next day. I am a firm believer in taking the time to listen to your kids, regardless of how small it may seem to an adult, if its important enough for one of my boys to tell me then its important for me to listen. Little stuff like this are what lies ahead or should I say will not be there for the kids, all of them not just the new little ones. This is VERY UNFAIR, the world is a very hard place and the best thing you can give your kids is a loving, nurtiting start in life.
When I go tuck my boys in at night, I spend a little time with each of them, how could she ever be able to do that??? As a Mom, I want my boys to grow up and EACH think They where Moms favorite. That would be a blessing, I would know I done my very best giving each of them everything they needed.
I am just a Mom, without a PHD but watching Nayda I don't believe she is even capable of caring for these babies even if she had all the things she needs which she don't.She is not all there....
God Bless all 14, and I pray things will work in the best interest of the all the kids.


Joy Richards   February 27th, 2009 10:52 pm ET

NO ONE SEEMS TO WANT GO THERE ,SO I'LL SAY IT. -ALL 8 OF THESE CHILDREN WILL NOT SURVIVE-ONE COLD-LITTLE GERM COVERED HANDS OF THE OTHER CHILDREN-IF ONE ILLNESS HITS ,IT WILL PROBABLY GO THROUGH THE HOUSE WITH A DEADLY RESULT.
HOW LONG ARE PEOPLE GOING TO HELP HER? I've seen no local church or community organization wanting to help.


Reg   February 27th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

Child Protective Services would be all over anyone else with two or three kids with no money or job.


ANDY C   February 27th, 2009 10:54 pm ET

WHAT IS SHE DOING WITH THE OVER $350,000 SHE HAS ALREADY RECIEVED FOR HER INTERVIEWS. ALL THAT MONEY NEEDS TO BE REPORTED TO "DEPT OF ECONOMIC SERVICES " TO OFFSET HER ALREADY EXHORBITANT DRAIN ON THE SYSTEM. AND WHERE DOES THIS MUNOZ CHARACTER FIT IN? HE IS CONTENTIOUS WITH GLORIA ALRED AND EVEN SEES YOU AS THREAT!

AND QUIT TRYING TO SOFTEN HER PUBLIC PERSONA SHE'S DETESTABLE! NO MATTER HOW YOU SPIN AND TWIST HER IMAGE ON CAMERA HER SMIRK TELLS THE TALE. PLEASE. TAKE CALLS! LET THE PEOPLE SPEAK!

OUT.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 10:56 pm ET

@ ZA If my tax dollards do not have to go to supporting her, then you are correct. I DON'T CARE! But because I live in California and see many adults working without insurance and despirately need medical services and because they do NOT have children, they are left out in the COLD! Then you get some woman who already has been taking our tax dollars in forms of welfare... who received $165,000 for workers comp and received a ton of expensive plastic face surgery plus expensive IVF and now will end up having her hand out again... YES then I will be involved.

And I hope they proscute her to the MAX for welfare fraud!!!


Eoin Casey   February 27th, 2009 11:05 pm ET

With Banks failing, the H1 employees are being targeted, to save jobs and money. While I totally respect the intentions behind the concept, I fail to understand how the managers (leave alone the more senior management), collected bonuses of at least $50,000 each this year, while the rest of the worker bees got laid off or had salary freezes, or were threatened implicitly...to be lucky to still have their jobs 🙂

The work culture is yet another victim of this recession! JPMC

I wouldn't blame H1s – they pay Medicare and Social Security and are not eligible even for unemployment benefits anything in turn – and the Labor Condition Application has to prove that there truly is noone for the position. It is the L1s etc that should be targeted.

It is the greedy managers/executives who should be under scrutiny and not innocent workers – H1s or Domestic!


Madmamalu   February 27th, 2009 11:06 pm ET

You people are sick this is a mother of 8 human beings not a dog these children are 4 weeks old even a dog gets 6 weeks with their young LEAVE HER ALONE!
Nadya did not want all this publicity initially she said no cameras and remained anonymous for a week until the cameras bombarded their way in. The hatred in America is astounding.

I am not saying what the doctor did was right but it was his choice to do this and now it is her choice to deal with it.

Nadya doesn't want YOUR MONEY or YOUR HELP how about a little COMPASSION?


David Thompson   February 27th, 2009 11:08 pm ET

Yeah doctor phill. Who are you to think your opinion is better than others. The only one who is always right is Jesus. And Dr. Phill does your middle name start with J. Yes you edjucated yourself well, and you are right about a lot of things, but you are not perfect with your advice. So humble youself a bit and remember where you came from, or were you born with a silver spoon in your mouth. Are you going to offer her and all of her children free coucelling as long as need be? Or just when you get to put on a hollier than thou act on television. If you were such a great councellor you would do it for all you can on a donation basis. A truely decent person does good deads in secret, not to be seen by all and without a price. There are many people who need councelling however they don't get it because the can not afford it. If you truely want to help do it for free I could be wrong, but I believe you could switch over to a donation type income and just do what you do, Or stop charging completely right now and live comfortably the rest of your life. Do you really think you and your wife could raise 14 children? I dont believe even you could do that Dr. Phill. I only have 3 and I am still not able to give them the attention I believe they deserve. I am greatfull they have good step dads. and just for the record the third child was a vasectomy failure. Please stop insulting the people who do their best to be responsible. What does it say about the absent father in the bible. I understand, I grew up without a dad it is a pain that never goes away, a hole that never gets filled. And there wasn't always an angel there, although they were there at times. When I think of how I felt growing up without a dad and the lack of discipline. Which only increased my pain by excessive misteaks due to a lack of discipline ecause my mother couldn't keep me in line as a teenager and I am only one of two children. These children need and deserve a mother and a father period. Prove me wrong sir. There are some things you can not learn in totality from books. I live it everyday and I would be happy to debate you on this subject anytime anywhere. Please open your bible a little more if you want to learn from a book.


Kelley   February 27th, 2009 11:08 pm ET

@ Dodie How many hundreds of thousands of women through out history have had more than a dozen of chidren and nobody ridiculed them I'm not saying its natural to have 8 babies but she did and YAH let every one of them live. ANd about her getting others breast milk only proves that she is a fit mother because most mothers dont even care enough to try to give there kids breast milk!!!


Reg   February 27th, 2009 11:09 pm ET

Kelley, how old are you and do you pay taxes?


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 11:11 pm ET

@ Joy Richards They might survive only because we will end up spending hundreds of millions of dollars on their medical care for their entire lives. That is why I am so upset. I work for the government in California. I will always have medical insurance; however, I have seen many people left in the cold in need of medical insurance and help with nothing because they do not have children. The cost of taking care of her litter of children will take away from thousands of other people also in need of medical care...


Line   February 27th, 2009 11:12 pm ET

Leave Nadya alone. So many kids in the U.S. have less than her kids have. Drugs, Alcoholism and abuse is happening everywhere in horrible homes. She will do the right thing. It's amazing that she can hold her own in an interview so soon after giving birth. Give this poor woman a break and get off her back!


Susan   February 27th, 2009 11:15 pm ET

Thanks to Dr. Phil for stepping in to help! Although what Nadya did was wrong (and what her fertility specialist did was even more wrong), what really bothers me is all of the SICK people that want to harm her. Save the anger for a murderer or child molester!!! I hope that wherever she chooses to live, that it's safe for her and her family (maybe a gated community). Hopefully, Dr. Phil can convince Nadya to get ongoing counseling since that would be in her best interest and for her to accept the appropriate help that she needs to care for 14 children.


Kelley   February 27th, 2009 11:20 pm ET

@ Reg
34 and yes I pay taxes


cindy   February 27th, 2009 11:22 pm ET

dodie from Irvine

people from outside Calif do not seem to get it. she is changing her story as she goes along.
she is so irresponsible, that you just don't know where to begin:
1) no father for these kids
2) no income
3) no home
4) 2 special needs kids
5) 1 autistic child
6) put her health in harms way (even for 1 more pregnancy) with 6 kids with only one parent
7) being a horrible daughter, while her mom is maintaining her and caring for her kids, blasts her for being an only child
8) having plastic surgery, being selfish & egotistical

She wouldn't even qualify to have a day care center in calif.!

these kids were born with a job, to make her happy & ca taxpayers to pay.

it won't be long before we have another freak show like this


Cathy   February 27th, 2009 11:23 pm ET

Nayda will get to keep all of her children and tax payers will foot the
bill, Dr. Phil she doesn't get it and she never will, tax payers are mad
as hell and don't want to take any more crap. She should of never had
the second, third, fourth , fith or sixith invitro done, she could not
even afford the first child she had. She is living in a pipe dream if
she thinks she will ever get to be a counselor, who would take advice
from her. Nayda needs to get busy being a mother full time because
that is all she will have time to do and tax payers will take care of her
clan from the cradle to the grave.


Valerie   February 27th, 2009 11:23 pm ET

Dr. Phil I understand why Nadiya is skeptical about receiving assistance...based on what you said..."everything has to be transparent." No, it doesn't! This woman has rights and a right to privacy, and I understand that you are trying to help her, but it is not your business, nor the Media's business, nor the public's.

I think Ms. Suleman is more sane than the media and the public that is judging and condemning her. She appears to have an abundance of Faith and the capacity of love regardless of having money, a husband, or the wherewithal to know where her family's needs are coming from. That is how most people live everyday. However, it seems that the one thing that she knows is that she has the capacity of loving her children with all that is in her.

GIVE HER SOME ASSISTANCE AND ENCOURAGEMENT, INSTEAD OF HATE AND VENOM, AND BEING SELF-RIGHTEOUS!

Where are the Pro-Lifers, the Christians, and where is the AFL-CIO when someone really needs them, like Ms. Suleman?


Barb   February 27th, 2009 11:24 pm ET

she is a selfish person. was not thinking of the six children she already had and the added burden on her parents.
what happens to the six, if she accomplishes this major exposure of the eight. i see them being shoved aside and everything will center around the eight.
hope she can prove everyone, including her mothers opinion wrong.


cindy   February 27th, 2009 11:25 pm ET

kelley
many people have had a dozen kids, but not 14 under 8! as mentioned before older kids used to raise the younger ones.

she had 3 special needs kids, and probably all these will also be.

ask the parent of an autistic child how much time it takes to care for him/her?

she is selfish


Suzan Mitchell   February 27th, 2009 11:25 pm ET

The sad fact of this situation, now that Dr. Phil is supporting this woman, will only encourage another desperate woman to repeat this behavior. This woman is getting exactly what she wanted, her face and name in the spotlights. Dr. Phil, will you be there for the next Nadya in this situation seeking fame and fortune? This will happen again!


bellany from CA   February 27th, 2009 11:27 pm ET

Dr. Phil,
So now that you have given Nadya Suleman what is effectively a public announcement of a "clean bill of mental health" I hope that you are prepared to deal with any consequences that result, and I sincerely pray that those children will not suffer from your decision. I believe that you have placed your ratings above your professional ethics as a psychologist; and I (and I hope that the public) will hold you personally responsible if anything happens to those babies.
I think that Ms. Suleman shows her truest colors when she speaks to her mother. Not only is she condescending and rude but she is extremely disrespectful of a woman who has donated time, energy, love and sacrificed her own emotional, physical, mental and financial well being in support of Nadya's children.
To me Nadya represents a textbook case of a sociopath. DSM definition of a sociopath is a person who has "disregard for the rights of others. There is a failure to conform to society's norms and expectations that often results in numerous arrests or legal involvement as well as a history of deceitfulness where the individual attempts to con people or use trickery for personal profit. " She lied to her parents about her pregnancies and she is trying to con the public with this now, "contrite" persona for personal gain. She has "worked" everyone involved from every angle...the social welfare system, education system, sperm donor, parents and now you.
As a mother who has had a premature child, now teen, with special needs and a specialist with a masters degree in working with special needs children, I find Nadya's decision to have more children reprehensible. Her first 6 children needed her attention and care to make sure that they have the best possible outcome. Now in addition she has 8 more that will, given the genetic history and birth factors, undoubtably have additional needs.
I hope that she gets the mental help that she needs, and I hope that these children get the support and love that they deserve. I sincerely doubt it will come from Ms. Suleman as she appears to be more concerned with her own needs rather than those of her children.


cindy   February 27th, 2009 11:30 pm ET

valerie- if TAXPAYERS are paying, yes we need to know where our money is going. she made that decision, to bring them into this world without any money.
she doesn't want help from angels in waiting, which is an established organization because they won't give her cash for her mannis & pedis, and for her plastic surgery. She want's cash.
This is not a Pro-life argument, this is a new spin she's giving it.


Mary Elizabeth   February 27th, 2009 11:30 pm ET

This woman is dispicable. She is narcisstic and self absorbed. This has never been about those children. The 6 at home or the 8 in the hospital. This is all about her and what she can get out of this. Her parents know her better than anyone and they say she is not stable or capable of caring for these children. Her publicist is just jumping on the bandwagon looking for a cash cow with no concern for these children either. The fact that she turned down round the clock care of those babies tells me that she has no business being allowed to take them home. If any network has the gall to put this woman on a tv program I will not only boycott the channel and its sponsors, I will actively advocate boycott by others. This is child abuse. I pray that cps removes them from her care.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 11:31 pm ET

@ cindy yOU ARE completely correct.

I work for social services in California for sex abuse and special medical need children. Autistic children take help 24 hours a day 7 days a week. I work with families who have one autistic child and they need outside help 24 hours a day. Yes... 24 hours a day.


David Thompson, Michigan   February 27th, 2009 11:32 pm ET

Line and Reg and all simillar if you arent willing to put your name up and stand by what you say instead of hiding behind what you say. Maybe you shouldn't say it.


Rhoda   February 27th, 2009 11:32 pm ET

For the many people comparing Nadya's 14 children with the large families of the past, is it not apparent to you that some "higher power" planned for children to be born on a cycle of 12 months for a reason? This gives the mother time to recover and the baby to go thru the nursing stage as well as benefit from the the emotional growth that comes from having the singular nurturing and emotional bonding with
the mother.

Additionall, this was at a time when families were self sufficient in producing food and necessities for their families. The parents of the past had their children one (or two) at a time thus having the help of the older siblings with the care of the younger ones. The children were expected to help with the family both in the home and on the farm as a fact of life, as well as a way of developing responsibility and a sense of pride in their ability to survive in a world that did not and could not provide a handout! I don't believe that this is realistic in this time and circumstances.

I would like to also touch on the so-called "dysfunctional" childhood that is Nadya's reason for wanting so many children. There are many single children families that are not considered "dysfunctional". In this day and age, most also have a working mother – even a divorced or single working mother. Was there something other in her childhood, some trauma or mistreatment, that caused her to describe her family as "dysfunctional"? If so, it must not have been so tragic if Nadya is willing to have the same mother raise her own children as well as take her parents financial support so readily. I am sure her Mother did not plan to spend her "golden years" changing diapers, wiping noses, grocery shopping, washing clothes, doctors appointments, sleepless nights, preparing meals, feeding hungry mouths, wiping tears, picking up the seemingly endless supply of plastic toys that innudate the house and babysit while Nadya makes the round of talk shows, beauty shops, meetings with her new spokesman, house trolling, etc. And what about Dad, continuing to work past his retirement age to fund Nadya's desires?

How dare the grandparents not fully support her decision to dump another eight helpless babies on them! Don't they know it is their responsibility to take care of her irresponsible actions?


Sharon Craig   February 27th, 2009 11:33 pm ET

I agree with S and Jessica. Is anyone watching Showbiz Tonight? It is being said that Nad turned down Angels because she has a great $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$deal waiting on the side! Nad is a lier and a poor excuse for a person. She wants what she wants and she keeps getting it! Yes, let us follow her and the eight children for 18 years. Then let us see it from the childrens' point of view. Her mother is not mean. This is one big DYSFUNCTIONAL family. How much of a chance do you think these kids will grow up and be normal? Gloria ought to scare a few people. This is a very serious situation here. I knew one day something like this would happen when IVF was discovered. What does this have to do with God? Nothing! A "normal" pregnancy is truly a gift from God. Nature takes its course. IVF is done in a lab in a petri dish. How impersonal can you get! If she was so smart she would have questioned what her doctor told her. She will probably get her own reality show. I HATE reality shows. They are not REAL. You see and hear what THEY want you to see and hear. The media just preys on people. All this makes $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$. I don't watch Dr. Phil or any of these talk shows. I have watched too much CNN, Nancy Grace, etc. this week. It will stop. I have better things to do. It is a sad, sad world we live in these days. I think we all better watch out for ourselves and be mindful of our own decisions. As my dad says, things are tough all over. Let stupid people face their own consequences. Yes, the children are here, that is true. Why do you think people do some of the unspeakable things they do. They keep getting glorified for these things. All I can say for all these "crazy people" is that they will have their day in court one day. One last thing, I wonder how many perps are already licking their lips knowing she has so many children, their ages, where they live, and so on. She appears to be dumber than dirt, as we say in Alabama, or the lights are on, but no one is home!


Kelley   February 27th, 2009 11:34 pm ET

It's a shame we can Bail out wal steet and all these Big CEO's but we can't even help a mother in deed,This one incident won't make the taxes go up any more than they already wil and I guarantee when they turn 18 the gov. will be more than willing to sight them up to be soldiers


Valerie   February 27th, 2009 11:37 pm ET

Any taxpayers giving Ms. Suleman grief for having more than 1.2 chrildren...don't worry! If Ms. Suleman and her children never existed, YOU WILL STILL BE PAYING TAXES, SO FIND SOMETHING ELSE TO BE UPSET ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!

Now, what if Nadya had aborted all the fetuses? What would the Media and the Public think of her then?

...I SHUDDER TO GUESS!


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 11:38 pm ET

Just for a moment… imagine you are one of the 8 babies and on your first birthday, you have 7 brothers and sisters also having their birthday. There would be no special day for you. You have no individuality. Then you might have several brothers and sisters who have more medical problems than you do, so you end up being shoved into the background because you do not have medical problems. You try and get a few minutes alone with mom… but with 14 children there is NO alone time. Other people are nice but nothing like MOM!

So you end up with what we call an ‘attachment disorder’ meaning if you live to adulthood, you are a psychological mess.

For any bleeding hearts... ADOPT HER CHILDREN AND I WILL SHUT UP!!!


Reg   February 27th, 2009 11:42 pm ET

@ David. you dumb s##t Reg is my name


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 11:46 pm ET

@ Valerie We are not just talking about money. We are also discussing the psychological, physical and medical needs of all these preemies. By the way, what state do you live in… maybe we Californians will help her move over to YOUR STATE!! Then you can deal with her and her litter of children


Kelley   February 27th, 2009 11:46 pm ET

I'd for sure rather know that my tax dollars is going to halp these beautiful babies than in the back pocket of some big Ceo that makes more mony in one week than I'll make in my whole life!!


Liz   February 27th, 2009 11:47 pm ET

dodie – how many people out there are a psychological mess?! don't think the number of children in your family has anything to do with it...


AKS   February 27th, 2009 11:47 pm ET

@Dodie from Irvine CA

GIVE ME A BREAK! Every child in this world has been through more than this and survived. Go to Africa and save some children.


David Thompson, Michigan   February 27th, 2009 11:49 pm ET

HEY REG
no it isn't your birth certificate i am sure has a full first name and a last name and you just proved you are in grade school name caller. are you old enough to pay taxes, where are your parents.


AKS   February 27th, 2009 11:49 pm ET

@Kelly

I agree.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 11:49 pm ET

Maggie... I agree with you...

Laughing with Reg... you are too funny


AKS   February 27th, 2009 11:55 pm ET

It would be nice if comments on this blog would display last comment on top instead on the bottom. It seems to be more convenient and makes more sense to me.


Reg   February 27th, 2009 11:55 pm ET

HEY DAVID
BIRTH CERT SAYS REG PARSONS. DO YOUHAVE A PROBLE WITH THAT?


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 27th, 2009 11:55 pm ET

@ AKS I don’t know of any mother stupid enough in Africa to have 8 children at once. That sets up a whole host of different problems. Its like comparing apples and oranges. I lived in China. You never know what it is like to live in a country that has 2 billion people. Pretty scary! Can’t even stretch your arms out without hitting someone in the face!


Freda Hall   February 27th, 2009 11:58 pm ET

I just think it is terribly sad that there are so many people who seem to have nothing to do but judge someone they do not know. If you cannot help just leave the woman and her kids in peace. You sound just like the folks not too long ago in this country and in Germany who thought it was just OK to forcefully sterilize those who did not meet their standards of fitness. Some of you need to go back and read over what you have written and then you need to THINK about it. Bye the way my grandmother had 16 and she did not put one of them up for adoption .


AKS   February 28th, 2009 12:01 am ET

@Dodie

I would bet you don't know any mothers in Africa, period. As far as China goes, most of the people on this blog has the mentality of the Chinese government; i.e. they would try to take the individual freedoms away if they had the opportunity.


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 12:02 am ET

Hey Freda,
With all of the children that your grandma had I have a question. Did any of them have special needs? Did your grandmother have a home, a husband and a source of income. Were any of them premature? If not, I don't think that the comparison is valid.


Valerie   February 28th, 2009 12:03 am ET

@Dodie from Irvine, CA

No problem, Dodie...I'm sure we Michiganders will have a little more understanding and compassion for someone in need. Call it a "Midwest Thing!"

However, one thing that I do know is that I personnally value human lives, more than my tax dollars that are being wasted everyday. If my tax dollars are going toward helping a family and children in need, I say more power to that tax dollar!


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 12:04 am ET

@ Sharon Craig I completely agree!!! Let the bleeding hearts adopt her children or support them… just count me out. I have grandchildren I prefer to support. And take care of…

The bleeding hearts should volunteer for social services and chiild abuse crimes... after one year of that... I am sure they would have a change of thought... and maybe not. Not everyone's elevator goes to ground level...


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 12:05 am ET

Dr. Phil,
So now that you have given Nadya Suleman what is effectively a public announcement of a “clean bill of mental health” I hope that you are prepared to deal with any consequences that result, and I sincerely pray that those children will not suffer from your decision. I believe that you have placed your ratings above your professional ethics as a psychologist; and I (and I hope that the public) will hold you personally responsible if anything happens to those babies.
I think that Ms. Suleman shows her truest colors when she speaks to her mother. Not only is she condescending and rude but she is extremely disrespectful of a woman who has donated time, energy, love and sacrificed her own emotional, physical, mental and financial well being in support of Nadya’s children.
To me Nadya represents a textbook case of a sociopath. DSM definition of a sociopath is a person who has “disregard for the rights of others. There is a failure to conform to society’s norms and expectations that often results in numerous arrests or legal involvement as well as a history of deceitfulness where the individual attempts to con people or use trickery for personal profit. ” She lied to her parents about her pregnancies and she is trying to con the public with this now, “contrite” persona for personal gain. She has “worked” everyone involved from every angle…the social welfare system, education system, sperm donor, parents and now you.
As a mother who has had a premature child, now teen, with special needs and a specialist with a masters degree in working with special needs children, I find Nadya’s decision to have more children reprehensible. Her first 6 children needed her attention and care to make sure that they have the best possible outcome. Now in addition she has 8 more that will, given the genetic history and birth factors, undoubtably have additional needs.
I hope that she gets the mental help that she needs, and I hope that these children get the support and love that they deserve. I sincerely doubt it will come from Ms. Suleman as she appears to be more concerned with her own needs rather than those of her children.


David Thompson, Michigan   February 28th, 2009 12:06 am ET

Mr. Reg Parsons
No I have a problem with people who lack the education to refrain from name calling. Which by the way is verbal abuse. But you do give me hope. I was raised without a dad and I was taught to treat people with respect. And accept responsability for what leaves my mouth. Thank You and Thank God.


cindy   February 28th, 2009 12:09 am ET

how did this become an abortion discussion? I don't understand, this is the new SPIN and I'm not falling for it.
For all those defending her, is it ok to bring 14 kids to the world, and depriving them of their father????????is it ok to bring them into this world without a job or means of support? just to fulfill your selfish needs.
The existing 6 kids were interviewed and said they did not want these 8, they said mom is going to be MORE stressed. Imagine being the autistic child?
Her act is so utterly selfish it's beyond belief.

The best interest of the CHILDREN is adoption.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 12:10 am ET

Cindy! Another person who does her homework! Glad to see that...

Valerie... I would be willing to contribute $1,000 to get her moved out of California. She a sponge and absorbing Millions of dollars that could be spend on other needy people who now will NOT get what they need because of her. I work in the system... I know may people who need medical help and can NOT get it because they do NOT have kids. They work but their work place has no insurance available. So they lose out because of people like her.


jd   February 28th, 2009 12:11 am ET

the media is insulting. in the previews; dr. phill asks a question, then they show a clip of her shacking her head as if she's saying no i cant manage all these children-agreeing with him.- a subliminal message. Everyone's really not that stupid.
In the future it will probably be a crime for poor people to have children.
and all people will probably have to have it ok'd by government.


C.R   February 28th, 2009 12:12 am ET

I have to wonder if people like this Nadya aren't part of the reason we're in our current economic situation. When we have people running around who think they can just have endless amounts of children, live off the system, and never own up to their actions is it really a surprise we're in such a financial crisis? I hope to God these babies are adopted- even if it's by force. That may sound harsh and immoral, but I believe the children deserve to have a good home which Nadya can obviously NOT provide and that they should not be punished for their mother's irresponsible, almost childish, behavior. Not to mention that I don't really feel like having to pay for 8 kids that AREN'T mine via MY tax dollars.


Reg   February 28th, 2009 12:12 am ET

David
How do you know how much education I have had?


David Thompson, Michigan   February 28th, 2009 12:14 am ET

Cindy AMEN


cindy   February 28th, 2009 12:16 am ET

dodie, most people outside calif just don't get it. i loved it how her publicist & nadya didn't have time to the meeting with gloria alred & angels, yet they can do PAID interviews all over town and get to Larry King. This is such a scam. Poor kids.
Did you see the dad on Oprah, he implied Ann Curry on Dateline basically kidnapped her! The stories evolve to see how they can get "sympathy", now it's the "pro-life" spin, destroying the embryos. Why not donate them to a couple who needs them.
I'm not a fan of Jon & Kate +8, but you see how organized she is, how clean those kids and their environment is, how she's always going.
Nadya just can't parent, it takes more than love.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 12:17 am ET

Cindy.. I completely agree with you...

If takes the 1 million dollar offer, then at least she is willing to be a little responsible. So far, she has not paid her school loan back. I paid mine. So I consider her to be very irresponsible.

Cindy, many of these people just do not get it!


Daniel   February 28th, 2009 12:20 am ET

This girl is HORRIBLE. These kids are never going to have a normal life. She does not deserve free handouts from people, and the doctor who did this should have his license revoked and fired.


cindy   February 28th, 2009 12:21 am ET

all these super cute little kids will grow up to be teenagers, I wonder how many volunteers will be around then?
Can you imagine all those kids with the flu?
I can't believe dr phil, where is personal responsability? why isn't he tracking down the sperm donor?


Bee   February 28th, 2009 12:22 am ET

Really !!!!! Complete transparency into a US citizens private life and how they raise their children. Come on!
There are a ton of people who make off beat decisions that cost us money. We don't require complete public transparency in there lives.

I think the media just wants a story.


Diane Tilley   February 28th, 2009 12:22 am ET

I don't understand how she plans on working and taking care of babies. Who will watch the children while she's working. How could she possibly earn enough money for child care. The whole situation sounds totally impossible without financial assistance.


Angela   February 28th, 2009 12:22 am ET

I truly believe that Nadya should give the octuplets up for adoption. This would be the most loving, selfless solution. I hope that Nadya can put her own needs aside and consider what is truly best for these babies.


Charlotte   February 28th, 2009 12:22 am ET

Lots of people in this country would like to have children; many would like to have more than they have (or had). But you have to accept responsibility for the children that you have. To have more children (one or eight, it doesn't matter) when you have six that you are unable to adequately support should be a crime. There is no reason that the public should have to support these children. They should be put up for adoption.


Janos   February 28th, 2009 12:22 am ET

It sickens me to see such intellectually vapid and irrational people mass reproducing. Natural selection only favors those who reproduce, and with the unintelligent far out breeding the rest of us it's only a matter of time until Idiocracy becomes a reality.


sondra dockery-walace   February 28th, 2009 12:23 am ET

This whole situation make me frustrtated. first of all why didn't the parent get this chick help before she had the last 8 children. It make me even more fustrated because there are thousands of parent likemy self who have a paraplegic child and cant get assitant from anywhere for them. I made to much fo rher to get SSI but not enough to pay my mortage whom like the rest of parent in my sistuation have a high mortage becaue we have to borrow aganist it to no modifications on our home. She should keep her kids withour Goverment CASH assistance! Give the children medical care and give her secytion like and let duke it out in the real world. She found a loop whole in this new stinulas plan that does have one red cent init to help families with diable children and college children. She's not on welfare( welfare you have to pay back thru child support) she's on SSI so she doesnt have to pay it back. Well now america sees that the laziest mothers on this earth arent just black female welfare recipiants. America open up you eyes welfare is a loan this chick is a theif she is using her ertility to blackmale America


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 12:23 am ET

Oh yes, and California is such a mess financially, they just laid off 300 social workers in the areas of food stamps and my field, child abuse and sex crimes investigations in the county I work in. How many more children will be abuse physically and abused sexually at age 1 year to 6 years will just increase and go un-noticed. No one has any idea of how bad it really is.


Mandy G.   February 28th, 2009 12:23 am ET

First off I want to say congratulations. I truly believe Nadya will be a great mom to all 14 kids. Im sorry I dont understand why everyone is trying to make her out to be not such a great person. I want to know why everyone is so outraged? There are families that have 15 kids and we all know of one that has 18. How is 14 any different? Im sure she isnt alone she has friends and family. m so outraged at the fact that people are mean enough to make death threats. Ive seen magazine articles that suggests she had plastic surgery, I say why does it matter, its her life, her body. Nadya please keep your babies and show everyone that you really can do this.


Tamara Scott   February 28th, 2009 12:23 am ET

I am amazed that there has been no mention of the FACT that children need both a mother and a FA THER. Ask any kid, any age. How selfish of Nadya to think of HER need to have so many children, knowing that they will all grow up without a father.


Viktorija Jasinskaite   February 28th, 2009 12:23 am ET

You are all talking about our taxes going to pay for her children. I guess you know that the smallest precent of our taxes going to social services and biggest, guess where, to the war for the guys who die for nothing. Maybe we should start using those million and billion dollars which go to war for the women like her, for our children, for the the maternity leave, for make it life easier for people who has a lot of kids. Who are we to judge her? Why we not judging Angelina Joely who can stop giving birth to the kids. Is it because she is rich? Answer me why russia, lithuania, belarus – the poor country can pay for the kids and give apartments to the families who has a lot of kids, and we one of the bigest country sitting and judging women for willing to have kids instead of helping.


David Thompson, Michigan   February 28th, 2009 12:24 am ET

Mr. Parsons

Well if you read what I said correctly you wouldn't have asked my to repeat it.
No I have a problem with people who lack the education to refrain from name calling. Which by the way is verbal abuse. But you do give me hope. I was raised without a dad and I was taught to treat people with respect. And accept responsability for what leaves my mouth. Thank You and Thank God.
And my professional opinion is an anger management class that deals with I and you statements, as well as verbal abuse, would help greatly. I sure hope you don't talk to your wife and children that way if you have them.


Linda Symons   February 28th, 2009 12:24 am ET

Dr. Phil is the biggest gas bag alive, why do you give him airtime?
He and Nadia would make a great team!!!!!!!


Christine Byvick   February 28th, 2009 12:24 am ET

With the hospital wanting to assure the 8 babies have a good home is one thing, but at what point does the government have to make these types of decisions when nothing has gone wrong yet. Yes
she could have thought this through more that she did but how would the rest of us feel if we were inspected when we brought our new babies home? She should be given the same assistance that any married couple with 8 babies. Lets see what happens.


Soren Bach   February 28th, 2009 12:25 am ET

Dear Larry,
"I REALY WISH SOMEBODY WOULD READ THIS"
I am a Canadian, Danish born professional person who listens to Larry King nearly every day. I often feel sorry for Larry King for the material he has to present. CNN, on a constant basis claims, that CNN is the most respected newscast in the world and that CNN is beamed across the world, which it is.
There is so much happening in our world that I can not fathom why Larry has to cover murders, child abductions and sex crimes in U.S.A. Who cares about murders and sex crimes except for the lowest denominators amongst us. CNN claims to speak to the world in general. How is it possible for the world to respect CNN when they focus on internal American issues such as murders or women who go ahead with botox treatments and give birth to 8 children. Who cares. In the overall world view, these events are so unimportant and trivial that it is a shame that a talented talk host such as Larry King has to spew out this garbage. Just imagine if Larry was to deal with important subjects which would excite the whole world. In such case, CNN could truly claim to be a spokesman for the world. A lot of the stuff Larry King has to present is in my opinion tabloid material. You can buy such stuff at the Safeway counter if you wish.
Regards

Soren


reza   February 28th, 2009 12:26 am ET

The fertility doctor should be held responsible in some way for this…how about having him pay part of the expenses for these babies until they’re 18!


Fred   February 28th, 2009 12:26 am ET

Immediately give all 14 children to adoptive parents who are waiting and eager to receive a child, and can afford it. Remove the license of the implanting doctor NOW and hold him and Nadia responsible for all the costs that have incurred and will be incurred. Enact a court order to force Nadia to repay her parents. Maybe she'll grow up in the process.


Kyle Koenig   February 28th, 2009 12:26 am ET

Hey....Dr. Phil...its apparent that this young lady has been "stuck on stupid"...and has deficits with her interpersonal social skills....but has she ever been in a sexually active healthy relationship? And what his the fathers role in the babies lives if any? Thanks Kyle


Kristi Stepp   February 28th, 2009 12:26 am ET

If the public is so interested in these babies & their care and what is being done, why not get a webcam going for viewing and charge the viewers to raise money for their care? And how about flashing an address or setting up a bank account for the babies & those that wish to contribute to their care? Judgments aside. let's make the babie's care a priority. They can't be unborn. Two wrongs dont make a right so anyone wishing to help not condemn should have resources. That is my opinion anyway.


Diana   February 28th, 2009 12:27 am ET

The part I don't understand is how come it is ok for polygamists or mormons, or people in general for that matter to give birth to 14 kids it happens all the time, what about all the babies addicted to crack? all the babies born with AIDS! Why isn't the world sticking their nose in these mothers business? I think it's sad that with all the REAL issues babies are born with that the world is focusing on this woman and these children. so what? they were born healthy if she wants to be tied down by 14 kids for 18 years, isn't that her business? I know lots of children that were born and raised in families where there were 13 siblings, it's fantastic to come from a big family. Leave her alone, she's brave, just cuz DR. Phil couldn't handle having 14 kids doesn't mean no one else can or should. Mind your BUSINESS! Help the kids that need you.


Andrey   February 28th, 2009 12:27 am ET

Dr Phil... You have been taken in by a sociopath, who is manipulating you to her own ends. The television exposure, your pleas for help and all the associated media attention is her only way to get on top of her financial situation and you have been taken advantage of, without even realizing it.
The woman is far smarter and devious than you think. You have been suckered!


Reg   February 28th, 2009 12:27 am ET

@David
You attacked me out of the blue buddy. What did you expect, cotton candy?


Melissa   February 28th, 2009 12:27 am ET

These babies are HERS!! She has EVERY right to keep them. She carried them for 9 months, she is their MOTHER. Yes, the state should make sure that the home life of the children is safe and clean and that she have help. People should leave her alone and respect her decision to keep these babies.


dana   February 28th, 2009 12:27 am ET

It is a blessing from God when a mother can give birth to a/or child(ren). It is just sad when a single parent has to raise 14 or more children without help. I raised four children as a single parent and I tell you it was not an easy task. I believe that God will allow those kids to be taken care of even if it means that the mother would be forced by the state to give them up for adoption or put in a foster home. She will not be able to raise those kids alone. She need all the help she could get so that those kids would not be neglected of anything especially TENDER, LOVE AND CARE.

MS D


Mattie Tolley   February 28th, 2009 12:27 am ET

Dr Phil,
You must clearly know that Nadia "octomom" demonstrates all the symptoms of Adolescant Personality Disorder. Listening to her mom one can see she has had APD for a long time. Certainly she is not capable of the decision-making or financial oversight needed to care for all these children. An adolescant can be very loving to children that that does not mean she is capable of mature mothering. I say this from the prospective of 40 years of nursing. This woman must have permanent legal ovesight, permanent psychological therapy, and a financial conservator. I can't believe you have not recommended it.


Jeanne Herren Aurora, IL   February 28th, 2009 12:27 am ET

Dr. Phil,
This situation calls for common sense and understanding. Any rational person can see that this woman has exhibited immaturity, poor judgement, and lack of concern for her children (all 14), but also for her parents. However, these children are here now and we should do what we can to assist them. This woman is not evil nor coniving, just slightly imbalanced. I actually believe that the "Good Doctor" should be financially responsible for at least part of the cost of care for the last eight children. I know the law does not allow for this, but what was he thinking? his lack of judgement makes her's pale by comparrison! As usual, your head and heart are in the right place Dr. Phil, What a steady ship you are.
Sincerely,
Jeanne Herren – Aurora IL


Joan   February 28th, 2009 12:27 am ET

There is just too much to say here but as a former social worker and one who has adopted, I want to know why there is not some kind of screening done for IVF and hope that California Protective Services will monitor this family. This woman obviously has psychological problems and has babies to meet some need or her own, in complete disregard for her children's welfare both physically and financially. Thanks goodness she has parents who are willing to do anything for her and the children. They seem to be the only grounded adults here.


britt   February 28th, 2009 12:27 am ET

this woman needs more than 24/7 nursers and a pro-bono laywer. all of her children are going to suffer from lack of single attention,and i say this with experience, i am one of twelve. the more you had, the thinner she will be. perhaps she and angelina should swap kid stories...


Bety   February 28th, 2009 12:28 am ET

Dr. Phil!

I feel that people can knock Nadya down all they want but the truth of the matter is that even though she did not make the right decision by bringing 8more babies into this world. They are here now and we cannot turn our backs on them, they are innocent children who did not ask to come to this world. I wish Nadya the best of luck, you can tell she loves these kids and child's place is with it's mother.


G Chance   February 28th, 2009 12:28 am ET

I dont think she should of ever been allowed to even go this far in trying to get pregant she already Had 6 children and DONT even work to support her family so this means WE the tax payers are the ones supporting her family! This is why our country is in the shap we are in now... To many on welfare!! Children should not have to suffer for the ignortance of the parents! I dont think she should get any help they should have to be put up for adoption and given to a family that can support them on their own!!!


Patrick Amen   February 28th, 2009 12:28 am ET

I think they are giving hard time to that lady, nobody is asking about here health , or how survived . We taxt payers are paying for criminals to be alive , why can't we help that lady with the octuplet.


Jenn   February 28th, 2009 12:28 am ET

Stop spewing venom at her and show some love.

These babies should be with their natural Mother.

Can we please find it in our hearts to show some love & acceptance.

I believe that Nadya will do just fine.

I hope she gets a reality show and makes lots of money, lives in a large house etc etc... and these children can have a great life.

People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones!


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 12:28 am ET

She turned down help for her children in lieu of a TV program. My feelings... Boycott the octuplet litter! Good Grief! She is using her children to be famous and have a TV program. She does not care about her children...or her mother and father. She only cares about what she wants!!!


erik   February 28th, 2009 12:28 am ET

I feel she should be prosecuted for child endangerment, how could she do that she has no source of income what was she thinking.


Stephney   February 28th, 2009 12:28 am ET

I hear this person arguing with her mother regarding the embryo's saying you either use them or destroy them....Has this girl not heard of giving these embryos to people who can't conceive? who could give them a good home? What makes her feel she should or has a right to carry these embryo's , bring them into this world to have such a hard life....that isn't fair to the children, the grandparents or the taxpayers....I guess she will use those fish looking lips of hers to suck the welfare system dry. She makes me sick!


Kirsten   February 28th, 2009 12:28 am ET

I am a married stay at home mom with three children, I would like to have another baby, but my common sense and reality says that financially and practically it would be irresponsible. People today have no regard for what they can truly can afford. I am really trying to instill in my kids that there is a difference between a need and a want. I know many people who assume that the government programs will fill the gaps for there financial choices whether it be for insurance or otherwise. We as adults need to take responsibility for our actions.


Crystal   February 28th, 2009 12:28 am ET

Nadia is obviously mentally unstable and incapable of rational decisions. THE DOCTOR WHO WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR THE 8 CHILDREN SHOULD BE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE FINANCIAL CARE OF THESE CHILDREN THROUGH AGE 18. Any lay person would have recognized that this woman had a mental problem. He was aware that she had 6 other children (since he implanted those also) and no viable means of support before, implanting 8 more!!! IF HE DOESN'T, HE SHOULD HAVE HIS LICENSE REVOKED...


Rhonda   February 28th, 2009 12:29 am ET

I will be glad when we can get past the anger and to a point of "what" can be done to help these babies.I know most don't want to help support the mom but we have to help the babies. I hope there is a local church that will step in and help care for her and the babies and to help her find her way. I think enough anger has been voiced NOW lets try to find a solution.
I will pray for her and the babies.
Nayda's mom is so negative.
RgB


Robert Cloud MD   February 28th, 2009 12:29 am ET

How timely is all of this...once again a professional has acted irresponsibly and allowed a person with poor judgement to get into a situation that they cannot afford financially. The burden once again to be placed on everyone else in society. People need to be responsible for their actions. Unfortunately, young and innocent lives are at stake here and these babies need good homes with responsible parents that are able to make good decisions going forward and take care of the babies in a responsible fashion.


Colleen   February 28th, 2009 12:29 am ET

What confuses me is Nadyha hasn't been working for 10 years. Yes she recieved some benefits for disability, but how on earth did she afford or who paid for the very expensive IVF. Most families struggle to pay for it for a successful outcome of one or two pregnancies.. let alone 6 seperate outcomes of 14 children.
While I actually understand that it must be a decision that weighs on families what to do with frozen embryos, whether to destroy or donate to another family or research. I have trouble as a mother understanding how the money used in her last IVF procedure wasn't used to save the roof over the heads of her current 6 children or set aside for treatments/education for them.
I agree with Dr. Phil that these children are innocent to this whole circumstance but am seriously perplexed on what she was thinking of wanting to add 1 more when she hasn't been employed for 10 years. Children ARE amazing gifts from God (regardless of the way one becomes pregnant), but they have very expensive needs and come with a HUGE responsibiity to provide for ALL their needs, not our own as parents.


Alice Lumpkin   February 28th, 2009 12:29 am ET

How can these people with the 8 babies BUY another home? If the one they are in is being forclosed?
What is the story on the father of Nadya? He said on Oprah the other day that he had to go 6000 miles away to work? But he also said he was going to be responsible for the care of the children?
Why don't the interviewers answer qestions like these instead of going over and over the same things?


Yahsi   February 28th, 2009 12:29 am ET

I really don't understand what all the commotion is about. These were her embryos and she has the right to do what she wants with them. The media is portraying her to be this horrible selfish person, but I don't see that. To become a mother is the most unselfish act I the world!! Everyone only began to hate her when her father got on tv saying that he travels back and forth to Iraq for work. That's when all of the chaos began– because her father is from Iraq. Why shouldn't she get a show. John and Kate have two sets of multiples and they got a show!! Why is that? Is it because Kate is the all American white girl? It is so sad that this type of discrimination is stll occuring inAmerica today. These are her children !!!!


Carol G.   February 28th, 2009 12:30 am ET

Dr. Phil,

Will this woman have her tubes tied to insure that this does not happen again? We want the best for these babies, and adoption seems to be the most fair and promising result for the lives of these 8 children. Will helping her...encourage other parents to have as many children as possible to become reality celebrities to garner money and media attention? God Bless her parents, in addition to what is in store for the children, her mother and father are certainly the other victims in this very sad situation. Thank you Dr. Phil, that you and Robin have taken a sincere interest in these babies.


Sharon   February 28th, 2009 12:30 am ET

I'm wondering why so many embryos are created for in vitro patients. One broadcaster said there are 100,000 embryos stored in the U.S. right now. This does seem to pose an ethical debate - especially for those like Nadya who believe life begins at conception (even if conception begins in a test tube). Perhaps less embryos should be created to begin with. And, I see no problem with limiting the embryos implanted. It makes sense.

I feel sorry for the babies - all eight preemies - and the older six Suleman children. I can't fathom how Suleman can care for these children long term. Open adoption of the octuplets - or most of them - should be seriously considered.

I don't see how Dr. Phil and Gloria Allred think it is the childrens' best interest to remain with Nadya. She doesn't have the financial, emotional or physical ability to care for all these children - in my opinion.


Sandra   February 28th, 2009 12:30 am ET

I am so angry that someone seemingly so irresponsible is even contemplating taking those poor little children home. She cannot look after that many children no matter what she says.
What a hairpin, those children need to be placed in families that can look after them.


Karen   February 28th, 2009 12:30 am ET

Who is payig for this house they are going to lease? It looks like the 6 kids she already has have destroyed the house they are in so who would want to lease to the family? What about beds,diapers,blankets,formula,everything else required to take care of these babies?it takes more than a house to take of these babies?


Janos   February 28th, 2009 12:30 am ET

Is it possible that maybe, JUST MAYBE, we should consider how many children a person should be allowed to have? I'm not suggesting that we should go One child per parent like China, but when is enough enough? There comes a point where there should be limits, because it's utterly inhumane to bring another child into this world when you already have six other children you can't divide your time and attention between, and this woman had eight more!


Laura   February 28th, 2009 12:31 am ET

Nadya, congrats on the babies. Do not listen to all the negativity. Everyone really needs to look in their hearts and think of the children. These children need our help; she needs to get her home in order so that Children and Families does not remove all her kids from her care. Nadia needs a better and stronger support system. Granted I do not agree with her decision but whats done is done. Everyone needs to stop talking and start acting. We need to make this right.

Dr. Phil I do hope you can get her help. Postpartum depression is something that I went through and when I look at Nadya I feel that she might be at high risk for it. Take care and again Congrats.


Ada Ware   February 28th, 2009 12:31 am ET

I send my prayers up for Nadya Suleman, her family, and those willing to help her out. The Lord blessed me with three beautiful children and it is still hard at times, even with the help of their father, my parents, and some of my other family members....IT IS NOT EASY TO RAISE CHILDREN! I know it can be overwhelming, I truely can NOT conceive the thought of having 14 children of my own. I just can not! I don't feel anyone has the right to take any of Nadya's children. I love children and I'm thankful for them. However, if it were I that had to make the decision of giving birth to 14 children. I don't think I could have done it. It is done and everyone should give her their support. What is done can not be undone. However, I don't really know what she was thinking. Wishing her the best!


donna   February 28th, 2009 12:31 am ET

get real, people don't care about nadya or her kids. this story is sad and revolting and people are addicted to it in much the same way that they can't stay away from any accident or disaster.nadya is not just "out of touch". she is very emotionally disturbed and it's scary that she's raising children at all. and the grandparents?? what's going on there? they seem to be clueless and spineless. all those kids deserve loving homes with mature, responsible parents. let's stop talking about helping this idiot, and save those kids from her. she needs a home, money, help?? really, this country is in an economic crisis. what planet does nadya live on? she should have thought about the consequences first. that's what normal, healthy adults do. obviously she's not capable of rational thought, and nobody around her is doing her any favor with any of this publicity. just stop, and get all those kids away from this poor excuse for a mom.


Sally   February 28th, 2009 12:32 am ET

I think this woman should not have this children, she is going to get nurses and volunteers to help her for now, what is going to happen later when the nurses and the volunteers are not there any more? I think all of this is about her, not about the 14 children that she has, she is not mentally stable, the baby's are the ones that are going to suffer.


Lucille Fanniel   February 28th, 2009 12:32 am ET

Dr Phil

Help Nadya and stop judging her also to Gloria Allred butt out its not your business!!


Beckie H   February 28th, 2009 12:32 am ET

Hello Dr. Phil and Larry King,
I want to say one thing, I think Naydia need some type of mental evaluation and help. I also believe that this woman truly loves her children. If the media and talk shows are so concerned about her state they should help her. Its not the babies fought and you can not punish them. If I were Naydia, I would close my doors from the media and talk show. I love babies and if I could help her I would if she lived here in Tx. These babies are human beings not animals and you can't just put them in a litter and think it is ok. I am tired of the media whining. Everybody have a compalint but who's offering the real solutions. Leave the woman alone and let her get the help she need.


angie   February 28th, 2009 12:33 am ET

What on earth is a woman with no job, no health insurance, and already has 6 other children doing with frozen embryos in the first place!!!! Who is paying for that!!! As a tax payer who pays her own way in this world I am offended by this iresponsible woman!!!!!!


Tom Gebhardt   February 28th, 2009 12:33 am ET

135.000/m..What kind of expenses r we talking about? Thats more than 10.000/m per child. My child does not cost a fraction of that. Where does these numbers comefrom?


Cassandra   February 28th, 2009 12:33 am ET

How can a woman with no job support so many children and give them the care and nurture that they need as a mother is supposed to? Even with all the monetary recources and help available, these children will never be able to really know their mother, and will be deprived of the attention that a mother and father are supposed to give to their children. What is going to happen when these children approach adolescence and have all kinds of personal questions about their bodies? College age, when they need help filling out applications? Can anyone really ever replace a mother and a father? Has society devalued the meaning of family?


Frank Bassett   February 28th, 2009 12:33 am ET

I think there are so many other problems today, and all this time and energy is being spent on this subject.Why should we have anything to do with it. My wife has brest cancer, and I have had two heart attacts and I broke my back last summer, and I can not work .I do not see anybody comming to our rescue. I think that our principals are all distorted. Everybody makes a big deal out of something that is realy none of our business.

Thank You..


Becky Rodriguez   February 28th, 2009 12:34 am ET

Dr. Phil,
Eventhough I believe that the best way to have a large family is with two parents, I recognize that Suleman is the exception. Suleman does not represent the majority of women. Why pick on her so adamantly? There are thousands of lazy, drug addicted people with large families on welfare. Why isn't anyone focusing on the details of their private lives? Remember, the odds were not if favor of all eight embryos to survive. ...and to think that people have actually mentioned that she should give them up! They're not puppies! She did not accept help initially because she wants to appear as a strong woman who can handle it herself and not be a burden to society. I hope she comes around and agrees to accept help. I know that there are many people in the local churches around her that will love her and her babies. Maybe there's a rich handsome man somewhere that will sweep her away with her family, provide enough nannys and nurses and they will all live happily ever after (without help from welfare). The babies are here and I believe that they have a purpose. Let's help them find it!


Alvin   February 28th, 2009 12:34 am ET

So much worry about if the government is going to spend money on these kids and mother. The amount of money spent on illegal aliens in California is ludicrous, but where is the outrage? The waste of money in the federal government is well documented. Do we treat people with diabetes with such hatred? No, I don't think so yet most people with diabetes have brought it on themselves by bad eating habits. Its too late because the kids are here. Debate on the Doctor and the mother is OK, but don't penalize the kids. Had this been a normal couple, they would have been overwhelmed too and in need of help. Help these kids and treat them like any other American in need of help.


Mattie Tolley   February 28th, 2009 12:34 am ET

PS Dr Phil,
People are now beginning to blame the sperm donor. According to at least one of her donors, she lied to him to begin with. Also it is common for any sperm donor to have his sperm used for multiple eggs. He has done nothing inappropriate. However the physician who empregnated her this time, if not the last, has no excuse. He should have to pay child support!


Stan   February 28th, 2009 12:35 am ET

This whole issue is disgusting and now this "spokesman" is trying to make nice about this selfish, self centered, unstable woman who is going to be allowed to have fourteen children under her control.
It's apparent that the state of California, along with some members of the medical community has been grossly negligent about this woman and her poor choices and as a result the tax payers are going to get stuck footing the bill.
At the very least, none of these eight babies should be released to this woman, for even a minute. There are plenty of decent, responsible people that could do a much better job at giving these babies a better chance at life than this beauty will ever be able to do. Looking at the disaster that is her current home, it's obvious that Nadya is incapable of raising her six children in an apppropriate enviornment. Maybe if she spent more time cleaning, watching and raising these six kids, along with looking for a job instead of sponging off the system, the eight babies might not have happened.
However, she isn't the only one to blame. The medical community, state social services and family members are also too blame.
After all the initial (and well deserved) hostility towards this whole issue, it appears that the media and others are now trying to generate sympathy for this woman by using the babies as ammunition. The whole incident is disgusting.


Laura   February 28th, 2009 12:35 am ET

Dr. Phil I real do not have much. But what can I do to help?


Sally   February 28th, 2009 12:36 am ET

What is she thinking with this economy, just right down selfish.


Evita Lopez   February 28th, 2009 12:36 am ET

I have to say that at this point i'm pretty disgusted with Nadya. What kind of mother in her right mind who was single, unemployed and struggling with a mortgage would decide to have more kids? She does not deserve to take any of those octuplets home because she obviously shows poor judgement. Instead of paying for invitro fertilization, she should have been paying her bills and Instead of putting herself in the spotlight she should be embarassed calling herself a good mother and then letting millions of people see her unsuitable living conditions. What was she thinking when she decided to keep all those embryos aside from getting the largest welfare grant possible? She definatly wasn't thinking about her other kids and how they would suffer.


Rosy Newlun, RN   February 28th, 2009 12:36 am ET

Aloha, I am a registered nurse and had four children. I have been on both sides of the issue concerning Nadya Suleman. I have been both a single mother and also happily married mother, but also a registered nurse. To be a parent with another parent is enormously challenging to raise any children at all, even in a thriving economy. To be a single parent raising children alone with little financial income is do-able, but if you have not done this yourself, it is unimaginably difficult, 24/7 x >18 years per child..
It is painfully obvious that this lady has deep psychological issues. Be that as it may, she has done what she has done. My personal belief is possibly similar to others in the world: that the number of children she has chosen to have, without sufficient secular education and stable job and sufficient income, health insurance, and 'willing and able' family or friends who will 'want' to be at her and the children's beckon call is irresponsible, unrealistic, and unethical. It is immoral and tantamount to exposing these children to a higher risk of injury, neglect, and hopefully not abuse – either by the mother or by other siblings or please not – other adults – adults who might be pedophiles and who enter the home under the guise of wanting to help, but who have not gone through appropriate criminal background checks and so forth.
These are just the tips of the gigantic iceberg this poor woman has created for herself and those around her, in a State that is teetering on bankruptcy itself. Is it any wonder why people around the globe are besides themselves with concern for all these helpless children? Not just for the next year, but for the rest of their lives.
Mahalo for considering my humble and professional opinion.
Rosy Newlun, RN
Kona, Hawai'i


cindy   February 28th, 2009 12:36 am ET

mandy, I don't know if you are a mom or not, but she has 14 kids under 8, 3 existing with special needs, and probably 8 more.
I had 2 healthy children 14 months apart, and I can tell you when there was a flu or cold, or chicken pox, there was not one minute in the day to sit down. from feeding, cleaning up, washing, bathing, preparing meals etc. These 14 kids don't deserve this.
She is selfish and irresponsible, and we are outraged because we're picking up the tab for her selfishness. She's scammed the system, payed for her ivf treatments, for her plastic surgery.
I pay $800 a month for health insurance, you bet I'm upset.


KATH   February 28th, 2009 12:37 am ET

There is only one rational solution to this problem. Adopt out the octuplets to loving caring families. It is a win win situation. The children have loving stable homes with parents that can provide for them both emotionally and financially and the government does not have to pick up the tab. These children deserve better than a mentally unstable mother and an impoverished and disfunctional home. Please lets not support any corporate entity that will take advantage of this pathetic situation to fill its coffers.


Ida   February 28th, 2009 12:38 am ET

These children deserve a real family environment! Volunteers, and the community cann't provide a sense of what the central unit of our society is..a family!


JB   February 28th, 2009 12:39 am ET

I am a divorced mother with full custody of my (spontaneous) triplets who is a strong woman, well educated and makes a very good salary. This woman has NO idea what she is in for, and I can only surmise that she's in denial about the amount of help she will need, the amount of money needed, and simply giving each child the love and attention they deserve. She must think it's fine to continue relying on her mother (who has admitted to being worn down), (a) nann(ies) and "the system." It's unconscionable...all it takes is listening to the oldest (of the first six children) on another national TV show saying they know Mommy will be "stressed", "cranky" and so on...


hbhouse   February 28th, 2009 12:40 am ET

I think Nadya should not be getting all this air time, its sicking she knows exactly what she is doing and we are all going to pay for it. What about all the other parents who cant stay home with their children and hold them and spend time with them all day. We pay taxes struggle,and cant get ahead and she has 14 children and we are gonna have to help take care of her kids. Oh how about the fighting on tv no doubt with her mom.......give me a break this is just crazy. What about our own children!!!!!!!!!! Who is gonna help us??? DR. PHIL ??? I doubt that


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 12:40 am ET

Everybody need to leave Nadya alone. In America mothers kill there babies everyday. All of a sudden now we are concerned with the babies...? Even though I do not agree with Nadya decision to impregnate herself . I do applaud her decision to not allow them to kill the embryos. This is the deal here in America we are so selfish and self-centered we kill babies for convenience sake. Nadya is to be applauded for putting herself on the line to take care of these kids. These children are future tax payers and will be paying our social security one day. Why not invest in the future..?


Tiffany   February 28th, 2009 12:40 am ET

I think that the media is blowing all of this out of porportion. This is her decision and her constitional right to conceive and give birth to as many children as she wants. Instead of making her out to be a woman who is crazy to even think about trying to raise such a large family, shouldn't we be offering resources or some type of friendly aid so that she can keep all her children where they belong in her home? Is she being ridiculed only because she is a single mother or would the press and the people feel differently about her ability to parent if she had a husband at home to help? I think we should just leave this woman alone and let her be the mother she wants to be. Not everything that occurs in this country is your business so maybe you should butt out!


Izzy   February 28th, 2009 12:41 am ET

You know I realize everyone's concern about who foots the bill but take a look at John and Kate Plus 8, Kate only wanted one more baby after the twins and ended up with 6 more. She could have had 7 but one didn't make it. What I'm saying is John has a job and Kate chose to stay home but they have a reality show that they get paid for. So does the Duggers who have how many 18...Despite the reasons why she had them she still has 14 kids and everyone is harping on how is she going to support these kids. So even if she seems off the charts. She can't be too stupid. People pay to watch these families and all these kids and how they make it work. I don't remember her coming to the media announcing that she was having 8 babies and that she already has 6 at home. It was her mom that talked to the media about it. I don't feel like she was doing it for fame.The media is making her famous. I think the offer to have Angels in Waiting help her is great and I hope she would take it, but think about this too. If she could make money that everyone is complaining about (where is she going to get it from) by getting a reality show wouldn't you think about it???? If they paid her well enough she could take financial care of the kids and hire help. Maybe even help her parents(not totally sure about that thought bc of the interviews I've seen) The world would watch to see just how she is able to handle the kids and how they are doing. Don't kid yourself. Even the haters out there. They will watch! So many people have bad things to say but if they weren't watching there wouldn't be soooooo many negative comments right??? Just food for thought...........


Paul P. Clark   February 28th, 2009 12:41 am ET

Watching the King show with Dr.Phil I am impressed with the positive turn that may come of the CNN-King-Phil Connection and the Nadya-8+6!! OTOH, I was appalled with the raunchy comedy parodies. These were played shortly after the Guest Publicist for Nadya acknowledged he was not without concern about Dr. Phil's intervention let alone Angels In Wait! The USE of THESE clips certainly justified his concern and Dr. Phil's embarrassed titters before going to break did NOT help and may be the undoing of ALL the positive. Where was CNN's moral compass on this one!!?? Ordinarily whichever side such fall on it IS a laugher–this incident was a sicko and the pox on those who have gone down THIS trail–Palin is one thing, Nadya is someone finding help she needs and hadn't asked for!! –Paul P. Clark


Michelle   February 28th, 2009 12:41 am ET

This mother and doctor should both be in JaIL. The doctor should be sued and the money should be used to help pay for the children. It is outrageous that this mother wants all of us to now pay for her New home, her Nordstroms shopping and her children. They should be taken away from her. She is using these children as her CASH COW. She thought I will do one better than John and Kate plus 8 and get my own reality TV show. She loves the attention and is a seriously disturbed young woman. She should also be investigated for Fraud. Using student loans to take care of her children. It's FRAUD. I really feel bad for the children and her parents.


Lisa   February 28th, 2009 12:41 am ET

Does no one in this country have better things to worry about than Nadya Suleman and her fourteen children? The media coverage has been overwhelming since the birth of her eight babies last month. I for one am tired of it. Where were we when she had six children to care for with no income? There are thousands of single woman with children in this country living on welfare. If we are going to single out Nadya Suleman then we had better start looking into every welfare case in this nation. All of us at one time or another have made choices that were not the best. Who are we to be so critical of her? I believe Nadya Suleman did not expect to have eight babies with her last implantation. Dr. Phil, Gloria Allred and countless other people are willing to help her, so let them. Those of us that do not agree should just stay out of it including the media. No one has the right to say her children should be taken from her until she proves otherwise.


gayle slaughter   February 28th, 2009 12:41 am ET

THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU , FOR HELPING NADYA ANDHER CHILDREN .MY FEELINGS ARE THAT SHE SHOULD BE WITH HER CHILDREN. THEY BELONG TO HER.AT LEAST SHE WANT HER KIDS, MOST FOSTER KIDS HATED BEING FOSTER CARE. PLEASE PEOPLE LET HER BE. NADYA I WILL PRAY FOR YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN.


Heidi Peterson   February 28th, 2009 12:41 am ET

So...whether Nadya made a poor decision or not is now a mute point. And...she had no idea that all eight embryos would take. (as irresponsible as that action was...too late now!) What I see is a mother who LOVES her children, and is doing her best to make this situation work. What parent hasn't had marker on their walls or piles of stuff all over their homes? I'm the mom of two, now college students, and have hysterical stories of my own kids' antics. It doesn't mean my house should have been displayed for the world to see (it was worse than hers is with six...trust me!). The bottom line is...SHE LOVES THEM. It may appear to be a logistical nightmare, but it will work out if people will stop being self-righteous and pitch in to help these kids. She's obviously trying to make it work out. Too bad the hospitals and government don't check out ABUSIVE, UNLOVING parents before THEY take their babies home...seems to me it's about the numbers in this situation. Premies? Twins? Triplets? Even quads...would anyone have checked out their home for them? I'm a nurse, and babies are sent home with crazy parents every day who warp and harm them...give Nadya a chance! Who are we to judge? And what right do any of us have to decide whether she should give them up or not? Plenty of people for thousands of years have had large families. Think about the precedent that would set just because some people believe they can set the rules and regulations...she's not abusing them, and obviously being watched like a hawk, so let's see what she can do...stop making pre-assessments!


Torea Lee   February 28th, 2009 12:41 am ET

Though it seems Nadia's thinking is along a Godly "pro life" path, I challenge her thinking along that same path with this question....The human fermale ovary produces millions of eggs for reproduction in one lifetime. Even God has designed for natural destruction through menstruation every month of a woman's reproductive life. It seems that even God him/herself did not intend for every egg our bodies produced to be fertilized and brought into being. I think the "sound mind" spoken of in the bible was supposed to play a significant role in discerning these matters. Nadia... It seems you have sacrificed your sound mind and your 6 childens lives for something you feel you need. Significant life issues should never be made based on what we are feeling.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 12:42 am ET

@ Soren Bach Have you ever watched CCTV??? Its FREE and its real world news


Carmen   February 28th, 2009 12:42 am ET

This is enough vilifying this woman!! There are millions of single moms on welfare and this topic should have been addressed moons ago....regarding taxpayers paying for children!! These children are here and god forbid they ever see any of these tapes. Blame yourselves when the Taxpayers have to pay for the therapy of all these children when they get older wondering why People wanted to take them away from their mother who obviously LOVES AND WANTS these children!!!! Leave her alone....and support this woman (emotionally and physically) The media and outrage will cause more harm to her mental state than 14 kids ever could!! Peace & Love


billie riddle   February 28th, 2009 12:42 am ET

Leave it to Dr. Phil...he is the best at what he does! Nadya ,for what ever reason she had all those children makes no difference now. As the Dr. said and ive thought all along, take care of these babies and try not to judge, I myself will be sending a donation and encourage everyone in the u.s. to give a 10.00 dollar bill and feef good that they did one thing good for someone, namely those precious babies! YOU GO DR.PHIL


Dara   February 28th, 2009 12:42 am ET

Another bailout. It makes me sick. This woman needs to feel the gravity of what she has done. Let us not be so quick to jump to her aid. The babies will be fine- no one in America will let those kids suffer. But it is almost as if she expects to be helped. yes, she turned down help that was offered, but it is probably just part of an elaboate scheme to draw more attention to herself, because she knows she'll get more offers and a reality show and corporate sponsors and book offers and it's so sad because there is an audience for all this. She is a parasite living the American Dream.


Terri   February 28th, 2009 12:42 am ET

America, it is time to reach out , and help Nadya Suleman and her beautiful of 14. I realize there are many unenployed, and homeless people out there, but by the same token, there are plenty of multimillionaires and billionaires out thee that could simply make a check for a home for Nadya and her children of 14. furnish her whole house with enough cribs and beds for the children. supply her with enough dipers, baby blankets and clothing and food for all her children . Nadya is not selfish or imature, she is a loving , kind , mother of 14. People are rushing to judgement, which is totally unnesscesary. She does not appreciate all those cameras in her face, would you? She does not need to answer any of your questions, it is really none of our business. If we all had cameras flashing at our every move, we too would look foolish rushing about, that would not make us a fool. Just because we do not know every little thing she has planned for her 14 children. People need to get off her neck and help her out any way that they can. We have to stop being such so cruel and disrespectful . that is totally uncalled for. Why are we thinking we can control where her babies will go. They are not our children, they are her children. She may not be able to support all her children right now but that is what we can do , we should help her any way we can . We can all zip our lips and open our pocket books and help her out . Nadya loves her children, she will do well with the love and kindness, and support and generiousity of the people. No one likes to be treated mean, by people that are judging, and trying to figure out a way to take your children away. We all know that we have all made right and wrong decisions , so we need to point the finger at ourselves .Her life does not need to be and open book. She is a very stable strong woman, who loves children, she is not OBSESSED with children, she just happens to love her children, and does not deserve to have them taken away to get put in foster home, which we all know bounce from place to place and never have the security of loving stable home. Talk about an irrational selfish action that would be . A thought like that could only come from a fearful society, trying to control somebody elses life and children.There are too many people trying to control nadya's life and treating her like a child, . People are mad cause she polishes he nails . I do my nails the same way, what wrong with that. polish is cheap at Walgreens.Stop picking on this wonderful mother of 14 beautiful children . it is time to reach out in love and and begin to enbrace the family. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Nedya, she has her own personallity and we have our own, that does not make us mental.


Sam Webb   February 28th, 2009 12:42 am ET

I don't think this is anyone's business. It is up to the CPS to make sure the children are taken care of. All this furor over this is just one more way we live vicariously. It's her body, they were her eggs and now her children. Where are all the liberals who scream it's a woman's right to do what she wants with her body, it's all about choice, etc etc etc. I can't believe all these people debating what should happen with this woman and her children. Once again, it's none of their business. Either help her or shut up. I wish her the very best for her entire family. Thanks for letting me express my thoughts. Sam Webb, Descanso CA


Della   February 28th, 2009 12:42 am ET

I think that she has every right to have those babies. It"s her choice to keep them and if she can provide them with a loving home, then they have it made. It's honestly better to grow up with less because you turn out better. I didn't have hardly anything growing up, back then i thought it was unfair, but now I'm grateful because I have many friends who don't appreciate the things they have in life that have been provided for them. I think she should do what her heart tells her, and if her heart is telling her to keep them babies then that's what she should do, because everything happens for a reason and I strongly believe that. I understand the concern with the babies health, but people need to look at themselves and how they are raising their own children before they try to tell her what to do. Everyone out there should honestly ask themselves, " What would i honestly have done if that was me in that situation?" They need to put themselves in her shoes before they try to tell her what she should and should not do. We need to reach out and help her not try to bring her down by telling her that she can't do it and she was wrong for wanting that many children. Think about this for a second, There are so many people out there that can have babies without any help, and treat them badly, or even kill them, and we dont hate them and put them all over the news telling them they are wrong to have children, yet someone who genuinely cares and loves her children, and wants to put her best foot forward to make these children happy and healthy. She is really lucky to be able to have these children. Many are talking about putting her children in foster care, i dont think that these babies deserve that. I have been in foster care and they beat me, my friend who was in foster care, they took her money they got for her and refused to buy her clothes and things she needed. they were very violent, verbally and physically. FOSTER CARE IS NOT THE ANSWER!!!!!!!!!!! She sounds, looks, and seems emotionally stable. I honestly think she can handle this. she may occasionally get frustrated but what mom hasn't?


Linda   February 28th, 2009 12:42 am ET

#1 California can not afford to take care of these babies
#2 their house has been in the rears for 10 months, Nadya could have paid the mortgage instead of getting the unecessary invitro!
#3 the 6 children deserve to be priority
#4 there are many mothers who had their children taken from them for not having proper living arrangements. We would have to go back and change the rules for them if we make allowance for Nadya. Her parents have said it best, SHE NEEDS HELP, MENTALLY


Peggy   February 28th, 2009 12:43 am ET

This is yet another "Jay & Kate + 8", the Drugger family of 18 now making money of our reality shows. It's sick.

America is not stupid in general. All these stories do keep them in a life that cannot be physically possibly for those of us who are responsible.. She's doing this with MONEY in the making. Meanwhile, there are 14 kids with an unemployed mother and no father even named. Where are they going to be when they turn 12, 13, 14 and those details are really impontant?

Not divulging the father – do you think that's not going to impact them?


Nancy Lane   February 28th, 2009 12:43 am ET

Why hasn't the grandmother paid her mortgage payment. Why is she $23,000. behind? You pay youe rent, mortgage first; utilities second.
One media picture shows Octomom taking a package out of cabinet of processed pastry which looked like 4 cupcakes to offer to one of 6 children! I had only one child and a very good job but I always had to bake from scratch, bought flour, peeled potatoes, never bought packaged food and to this day have never baked a cake out of a box! I could not afford Betty Crocker" Does anyone know how to cook from scratch or peel a potatoe?? But, then I never got "FOOD STAMPS!!!!"


Newtothis   February 28th, 2009 12:44 am ET

Let's face it. These kids r her ticket to money and fame. Had " spokesman" is her agent looking for the best deal. That is y he hadn't met with the group that dr phil recommended. Shell get a tv and book deal and millions of dollars in donation. She will be ok


Janos   February 28th, 2009 12:44 am ET

Nadya talks about how the problem is that it's been so sensationalized...

NO Nadya, the problem is you now have 14 Mouths to feed and there aren't enough hours in a day to divide your attention between your children and give them the parenting they deserve. You are a horribly irresponsible and irrational person, and you seem terribly unintelligent. I pity your children, both for having inherited your DNA and for having to suffer a life with a mother that will never be there for many of them in their time of need.

Sadly, people in Nadya's double digit intelligence bracket shall inheret the earth, for they are far out reproducing the rest of us.


Heather   February 28th, 2009 12:45 am ET

I am about to receive my MA in Marriage and Family Therapy and I'm a single mother of ONE child. It's hard. For this woman to have done what she did is psychologically and emotionally irresponsible. She has faith that by the grace of God something will work out for her? Outside of winning the lottery, being supported by taxpayers, or being handed a talk show (on what basis, I would ask, because she is not an expert when it comes to anything related to parenting), I don't understand what she's hoping for. If she really loved her kids, she'd do what's best for them. And get some intensive therapy for herself.


Catherine   February 28th, 2009 12:45 am ET

If Nadya, really loves these children, as much as she claims, she will be concerned of only their well being. A loving mother always wants the best for her children and will make whatever sacraifce she has to make to give her children what they need. Many mothers do this with a broken heart but they do it for the safety, well being. She is too, too stuborn and not willing to make the necessary sacrifices she MUST make tto insure her children get the needs that they should have.My GOD many people would welcome the aid that she can get and she does not have her head on straight and only thinking of her own needs.


Shawna Campbell   February 28th, 2009 12:45 am ET

How does she not see it as selfish to have all these children. I would love to have more children, but does that mean that I should and expect the government to pay for it? NO! She is crazy! They should take these children away. Foster system? No. But I'm sure there are plenty of financially capable people who would love to parent these children.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 12:46 am ET

@ Torea Lee You are corret. Its not a god thing... Its a man thing. Actually if it were left up to God, Natalie which is her real name in High School, would not have any children...


libby glade   February 28th, 2009 12:47 am ET

This is abuse of science and we should not have to pay child support on 14 babies with tax payer money. I suggest adoption to loving hard-working americans who can afford to support these kids and could not have their own. We need laws passed on the abuse of fertility science.
She is in denial about the cost and responsibility of raising 14 children.


Trisha   February 28th, 2009 12:47 am ET

I would like to say in defense of this mother that I feel that it is a rare person or group that can give a child the true compassion that comes from a birth mother. To discuss spliting this family apart when the mother is totally invested as this mother is would be a travisty. I hope there is a solution where this family can be together.


t. alexander   February 28th, 2009 12:47 am ET

being a child of a large family (1 of 13) i was never neglected. and my mother was always very busy having children, cooking, cleaning, teaching us manners, sewing, gardening, raising chickens for extra money when my father was starting a business and was not with us most of the time. by the time he came home in the evening, we were ready for bed. yes, as adults we have made a few mistakes. but, i can honestly say none of our errors were due to our up-bringing. some of us are very,very succesful and some of us are down the middle of the road succesful. none of us are in jail, some of us went to college on our own. i believe nadia s. is being singled out, not just by the press but her own parents are trying to make her look rediculous. i think she is right on target with her babies and many of the people who could step up to make this families life comfortable and realistic shiould do so. step up now and why should she not have some of the wealthy americans that help all over the world help a family in this country without thinking it's heroic to start this family on the right track. i applaud her feelings about the value of life and her strength to stand up to so many bullies trying to make her appear mad.


Victoria   February 28th, 2009 12:47 am ET

I think this woman is a con artist, she had these babies for profit, she can't provide for them. she is disrepectful to her mother, she is selfish, and she will raise these children to be the same way, her since of reality, is blank. She claim she will go back to school to earn a master, where is she going to get the money to pay for 14 children to go to day, when is she going to study for this masters. This woman will be asking for her to cloth and feed these children until they turn eight, go to shchool or working isn't realistic for this lady.


Donna Lee   February 28th, 2009 12:48 am ET

Dr. Phil I would first like to commend you on the interview that you conducted with Nadya. At the point, the most courageous and selfless act that this young mother could do is to adopt these babies out to well screened and loving homes to parents that can offer the care and attention that these children require. For her to continue to live in the "twilight zone" regarding the welfare of these innocent babies is scary and not very realistic. I pray that she will find the strength to act on behalf of those babies who cannot speak for themselves and not on her selfish pride.


Charlotte   February 28th, 2009 12:48 am ET

Although I realize that this show is a commercial enterprise, the clips with comedians is really inappropriate. I realize this is not the major issue this country is facing, but it is indicative of a mentality that is not good for this country. It is not funny that a woman who is clearly unbalanced and unable to handle the children that she has already given birth to, is able to have another eight children that, one way or another, the taxpayers of this country will be supporting.


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 12:48 am ET

Terri,
How can you possibly think that this mother is wonderful? She has multiple children with special needs who needed her desperately. Do you have any idea how much time, love and energy children with autism, ADD and learning disabilities need in order to make progress? She is supposed to be a child development BA and yet it never occurred to her that she needed to be physically with her children providing language, social skills and play interaction. Instead she is out getting more IVF and going to school. Her frenetic kissing and coddling do not show how much she loves them. it shows how much she needs them for her own self worth.


Morgan   February 28th, 2009 12:48 am ET

In response to the octuplets- 1st- How did she afford the invitro procedures? and 2nd- Nadya is not the only 1 to blame. What about this Doctor? I could go to my Doctor and make the same request- she would flat out refuse then tell me I had lost my mind! It is up to the Doctor to make the ultimate decision, so why isn't he being held accountable and receiving some of the blame? He is the one with the medical degree! He chose to implant her with 8 embyos, and HE is the one who should be responsible for the medical bills- not the tax payers.


Joan OBrien   February 28th, 2009 12:48 am ET

Get real! So this mother, who made such a serious irresponsible decision to implant multiples is all of a sudden going to be responsible? She plans to get a job and somehow she will pay for babysitters? She's living in a fantasy, with denial and immaturity. She prepared herself for her attention getting fantasy with cosmetic lip enlargement. Please run her before and after pictures. Thank God someone else is looking out for those babies.


Michelle   February 28th, 2009 12:48 am ET

The reason she isn't accepting help from Angels in Waiting is because she didn't want to hinder any chances of getting money or tv deals and maybe people wouldn't extend any monetary help if the kids were being taken care of.

She is in it for the money and the attention and thats it. It makes me so mad. She is going to be rewarded for having all these kids and its wrong. I hope she is investigated by the state and thrown in jail.

I am soooooo sick of these people with there hands out. You are rewarding people looking for hand outs by having children. Just like all the people on welfare who have more kids because it means more $$$$$$$$$$$$$$. If you can't afford them you don't have them.
PERIOD.


SUMMER   February 28th, 2009 12:49 am ET

FIRST OFF WHO R WE TO JUDGE?????? SHE HAS NOT BEEN PROVED AN UNFIT MOM HER OTHER KIDS LOOKED HAPPY AND WELL TAKING CARE OF THERE HER BABIES SHE HAS EVERY RIGHT TO KEEP THEM...AND HER MOM UGHH SHE COULD HAVE BEEN ALITTLE BIT MORE SUPPORTIVE ITS HER MOTHER THEY ARE THERE FOR YOU NO MATTER WHAT .!!!!!! YEAH IT MAY BE HARD BUT LOOK AT THE LADY ON 18 KIDS AND COUNTING YEAH SHE MAY HAVE A HUSBAND BUT LOOK AT HOW MANY KIDS SHE HAS AND NAYDA IS A SMART PERSON ASIDE WHAT SOME MAY SAY SHE KNOWS SHE SHOULDNT HAVE HAD THAT MANY BUT SHE IS A GROWN ADULT SHE HAS RIGHTS AND PEOPLE MAKING FUN OF HER SHAME ON U WHAT IF IT WAS U OR A FAMILY MEMBER..NADEYA U FIGHT FOR THEM BABIES I WILL BE PRAYING FOR YOU AND MOM.... BE A LITTLE MORE SUPPORTIVE OF YOUR DAUGHTER.... PEOPLE THINKING SHE SHOULD ADOPT THEM OUT THERE ARE TO MANY KIDS OUTHERE RIGHT NOW WHO NEED A HOME WHY ADD MORE!!! WHEN THEY HAVE A LOVING MOTHER WHO IS WILLING TO DO ALL SHE CAN DONT GIVE UP NADEYA KEEP YOUR HEAD HIGH IT WILL ALL WORK OUT TRUST IN THE LORD....... YOUR ARE NOT INSANE...GOD BLESS YOU AND YOUR CHILDREN


Maureen Castro   February 28th, 2009 12:50 am ET

Given Nadia's focus on the "pro-life" aspect of saving her embryos, I wonder whether some input from the clergy might help her in the near term to 1) understand her responsibility to be able to support and physically care for all her children, 2) help her to accept her human limitations and better weigh what may be in the best interest of the children, 3) open another avenue of support that I have yet to hear in the conundrum of media conversation.

I'm not normally an overtly religious person, and know the issue is touchy for the Church, however, their absence of voice seems, well, absent.


Janos   February 28th, 2009 12:50 am ET

"Does no one in this country have better things to worry about than Nadya Suleman and her fourteen children?"

For me it's indicative of a much larger problem. The unintelligent mass reproduce, the intelligent have fewer and fewer offspring, and there are hereditary traits that effect intelligence. Given the reproductive trend, the future of humanity looks bleak.


Erika Beckers   February 28th, 2009 12:50 am ET

Don't take the children away from the mother. She for sure made a lot of mistakes but in the best interest of the baby's let them by their mother and give her help. She has enough love for all her children what you will not find in a foster home

Erika Beckers.


Sabrina   February 28th, 2009 12:50 am ET

My heart goes out to these 14 innocent children who did not ask to get brought into this world with a single mom. I look at her young beautiful children and wonder how are they going to get the individual attention,what 's going to happen to the six older children who want mom's attention's when mom is feeding, diapers, holding and bathing 24/7.This women may love children but I don't think she knows what it means to love children.Where's the structure in the home young children thrive on structure, boundaries and attention. I pray for her children to have the best life they can have and if that means letting go of the eight babies and putting them up for adoption.If I was her it would make me feel great that I am giving other families an oppurtunity to be a mommy and daddy.


Theresa   February 28th, 2009 12:51 am ET

Nayda, stay strong.


Rob Perhamus   February 28th, 2009 12:51 am ET

The attorney is threatening because her motives are not clear.
Why did she file a report with child care services?
Why would meetings have to occur at her office?
Why did she put a deadline for a response?
Why wouldn't the nursing group respond to phone calls.

My guess, attorney wants press. Attorney has advised her client not to return calls.


Tee   February 28th, 2009 12:51 am ET

All jokes aside, she scares me.
HEr parents tried to help her.....gave her a home for the first 6 kids...helping her take care of them......and they go broke doing it.......

2). SHe had no job with the first 6...she talks about going back to school, what about going back to school before she decided to get pregnant again.

3). Why didn't she get a spokes person with her first 6..........This new guy that's " Volunteering" I really don't believe that.

4). She turned down the Angels in waiting" that was a great resource, but no she wants tv, press, etc. I wasn't planning on watching it and yet it was on the news.

5) Dr Phil i'm sorry, I have no simpathy for her, if you feel sorry for her, then get her off and you pay her bills......

I'm angry that she would even think that angels in waiting was pressuring her......the hopsital gave her a dealine...why shouldn't they...it takes time to get time to prepare for 8 babies......8 pre term babies at that......and they are qualified nurses.

SHe wants people to volunteer well there is your help and housing and you turn them down.......

HOw arrogant and selfish

I'm just flabbergasted...........

What really ticks me off is that my husband is on workmans comp and she used her settlement to have babies over and over......with no back up plan.....

Society is hard on woman that have baby after baby and use gov assistants......she lies about getting that.......says that she doesn't consider it assistants...delusional......

I think that she is upset that she isn't getting the warm reception that she thought....


Eddie Cintron   February 28th, 2009 12:52 am ET

It amazes me how this woman is being attacked for something that is already done and the most important thing is these new lives that came into the world and the boys all with Bible names so I'm sure there is some spirituallity in thought. How long do you stay angry at your own child ? Its time to address the needs of this family and that she can get the counseling she needs to endure this great task. Earlier generations had big families also with low wages like $50.00 a week that was in the 50's thats what my parents got paid and there were 5 of us. God told Jerimiah (One of the babies name) in Jeriamiah 1:5 Before you were in the womb, I knew you before you were born I set you apart. God knew these little ones before they were born and and if His eye is on the sparrow then surely His eye is on these kids. I do believe that doctors should be held liable for what they do to jeopardize the safety of mother and child.


Pam   February 28th, 2009 12:52 am ET

Whether she's right or wrong the media needs to leave her alone so she can focus her energy on those babies. We need to give her a chance to prove herself. She definately will need help and she should accept all she can for those babies.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 12:52 am ET

@ Terri... Why don't you be the leader and start sending her hundreds of thousands of dollars to help her as that is what it will take every week.

Also, Terri.... I will bet you $10,000 that these children will have all kinds of medical problems plaguing them their entire lives... They will NEVER be normal or healthy. That is reserved for a single or twin possibly tripplet birth. 8 births at once... it will never happen.


Janos   February 28th, 2009 12:52 am ET

That's it, people with double digit IQ levels should be given cash incentives to get their tubes tide.


Linda   February 28th, 2009 12:54 am ET

I think all you people need to STOP with putting Nadya down. The babies are here, lets try to find a way to help her. What about tou Doc. that did this? I do not think the babies should be taken away from her,that is crazy.


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 12:54 am ET

Janos,
If you think that...why are you on this blog???


David Thompson, Michigan   February 28th, 2009 12:54 am ET

Mr Parsons

I did not attack anyone I was merely encouraging people not just you to stand by what they say. And I apologize if you or anyone else felt attacked, but it was meant as an encouragement. There are so many people who talk behind peoples backs because they lack the courage to be honest and frank. because they are affraid to say it to their faces. This causes many problems, with mixed up stories. Which cause conflict. It is today as it always has been. A person is only as good as their word and I do not want my words to be mixed up or misunderstood because things get taken out of context from a third party. In a nut shell. Say what you mean and mean what you say. Words like Dumb, and Stupid Can have serious affects on certain people. If someone is told things over and over long enough they begin to believe them weather they are true or not. And I do apreciate your input on some of the statements you have made. I don't believe you are dumb or stupid. I believe you are a perfect person who is confused on some things just as the rest of us. And I apreciate you for taking the time to at least try to acieve an understanding. That is a good quality you have however if you insult someone with name calling they stop listening to you and no one gets to learn from the situation. Again I apologize if you or anyone else felt attacked.


Ana-Estela   February 28th, 2009 12:54 am ET

Any rational woman (other than a religious extremist) will know that this woman is mentally unstable. The fact that she is so slick, contrite, pandering and naive all in one, shows that she is fully aware of what she is doing. Why did you receive an urgent message just moments before you went on air yesterday..... to get you to make an even bigger drama out of this to get more free help.
And to all those people using the word "WE", it is NOT my problem.... Get with reality and start worrying about kids that are far worse off than her children will be... take your blinkers off and get your head out of the U.S! Actually,... go see Slumdog Millionaires and see what real harsh times are.


robert from wis   February 28th, 2009 12:55 am ET

Well if the state is paying for all of her cost. Others going to do the same thing later and say well you paid for her and you turn us down .thats just wrong and how big of a house will she need for 14 kids hmmm maybe 5 to 7 bedroom house and who's going to pay for that "The Tax payers"


Anne   February 28th, 2009 12:55 am ET

The spokesman "HASN'T HAD TIME" to talk to the people from Angels in Waiting? Ya Right! The offer has been there for almost two weeks.

According to Angels in Waiting, Nadya turned down the offer because they wouldn't allow camera's etc in the house for a reality show. The concern was that having all the filming and crews around wouldn't be good for the very fragile premature babies.

No matter what the goofy spokesman says, he can't change the fact that Nadya Suleman is a very sick woman. And she wants the public to support her self-centered lifestyle.


Susan   February 28th, 2009 12:55 am ET

PUT NADYA TO WORK. She has a degree in childhood education. She can be the director of a large home-based infant childcare center (her responsibility only business aspects) staffed with qualified healthcare providers, teachers, and student volunteers. Her children could live in the facility and Nadya would be there to care for her own children at the same time as she is earning a salary, while under supervision from qualified experts around the clock. This would generate income for her to support herself and her family, and would help to satisfy the public curiosity, fears, and anger surrounding the welfare and future of these babies. I believe Nadya loves children, but she needs help, supervision, and support. The children need their mother. Foster care is not the great one size fits all solution. The program is complete with its own drawbacks relating to the emotional growth of infants specifically. The foster care system is inundated, and the children would still be the burden of the taxpayers.


Jennifer   February 28th, 2009 12:56 am ET

Are you kidding??? Why do do the tax payers have to pay for this???
Who is going to pay for the new house??? Let her live in the street. Give the kids to people who can afford them. She had money from her settlement. She wasted it. I don't want to pay for anything.


lisette littlemeyer   February 28th, 2009 12:56 am ET

Why is she not being charged with child abuse ? , I can not think of anything more abusive than cramming eight babies into a uterus knowing that there is no way to bring them to full term .
Essentially she said " I don't care that I am condemning eight children to prematurity" exposing them to developmental delay , autism,and a myriad of health issues . I know that She wanted a big family , well have one child at a time . but she deliberately and knowingly said "let my children be premature > that is child abuse . if nothing else this is someone that is dangerous to her own children from the very moment of conception and continues to make decisions that are putting her kids at risk . even her healthy living children have been thrown into a future fraught with poverty, and uncertainty. how can they possibly allow her to keep any of these children ?


Sarah Johnson   February 28th, 2009 12:56 am ET

This woman has serious issues. I am so sick of hearing about how much she "loves" her kids. She loves having 14 little people to love her and rely on her. That's all it boils down to. Unfortunately people are rallying to support and give her money instead of rallying to get her kids taken away. She has no job, and is obviously unstable. Her own mother isn't even on her side for goodness sakes. I don't care how much she "loves" her kids. The only way she is going to be able to support those kids is on the taxpayers dime or by doing a TV show or something equally as disgusting.

What's to keep her from doing this again in the future? How many more kids does she have to have before she feels fulfilled? When is society as a whole going to stop rewarding people like her, who make idiotic, selfish decisions?????

No, the kids should not suffer because of her decision. Obviously they are here and what's done is done. However, she should NOT be allowed to have custody of any of her kids. Let someone adopt them who can actually provide for them on their OWN dime and set a better example...perhaps teach them a little accountability and responsibility?


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 12:56 am ET

The sad part about it is if she woulkd have aborted these babies instead of having them..there would be NO outrage.


J Brown   February 28th, 2009 12:56 am ET

I am so sick of seeing Nadya just sitting on the floor playing with her six children. Why don't the cameras show us her attempting to fix dinner and give the kids a bath and get them ready for bed? Life is not just being a loving mother, it 's not just kissing and playing on the floor. You want to really see how incapable she is to take on another eight babies? If just one of her kids need her undivided attention for something extremely serious and kids sometimes do, what happens the the other thirteen? She thought the world is going to shower her with everything from extreme home makeover to a luxury vehicle. Nadya knew exactly what she was doing and what her goal was and it is not working out as she had planned. Nadya is very calculating. Those children should be taken away.


Sapphire   February 28th, 2009 12:56 am ET

This lady is crazy!
No one in there right mind should have 8 babies at a time nor have 14 all together and be single. Tax payer's should not be responsible for her wrong choices she has made. Shame on her. Sorry, but come on!
In my opinion the children need to be given up for adoption and let them have a good home and life.
I am a twin and that was enough for my single mother.
The doctor that implanted her should be ashamed of what has been created.
Every child deserves to have a life and a good one too. How is a mother that has 8 children plus some going to give them a good life. With the support of her family? It sounds like the family is fed up with her.
Do not get me wrong it is a good thing that they all have survived, well at least at this time. It is still an outrage, but something needs to happen.


Sherry Hill   February 28th, 2009 12:57 am ET

It seems very ironic that so many people are in an uproar about this woman having these babies when there are so many other women having preemie/drug effected babies that need state assistance and they don't have jobs etc... also others that think it would be ok to abort/take the life of babies at this same gestation age if she is still carrying them but not okay to try to parent them with help.
As far as putting them in foster care....the goal of foster care is to support the family and help make them stronger to reunite the children with their parents....so why would putting them in foster care be better than putting in supports like the foster children would receive in the foster home? Was it smart of her...of course not but we all do things that aren't so smart and hope that we make it through.


linda rogers   February 28th, 2009 12:57 am ET

I feel sorry for Nadya for the publicity.Dr.Phil has made a good step to get her to admit she made a mistake getting pregnant again.Now get her help mentally,and classes on how to take care of so many babies,and teach the other 6 to behave and be quieter,teach them how to be around babies,pick up toys,etc.Some organization skills in clothes and toys will help.It's not her fault she had 8.Its done!.Now stop questioning everything she DID and start helping.Look at all the large families like Duggers and Gosslins-God gave them those and they have 2 parents but none comes in wanting to take their kids.Look at all the messy homes kids are in and the poor families.No one comes in and takes those kids.She doesn't threaten the family with drugs or beating,or alcohol.Dr.Phil,please do get Nadya together with the Angel network for nurses and the lawyer.An embyo isn't alive until it becomes a fetus at 2-3 weeks when the heart starts breathing. Tell Nadya God didn't give her these. It was science intervention.Maybe God looked over them to be born safely.I wish I lived closer to help.


Ilena   February 28th, 2009 12:57 am ET

( The Doctor ) who implanted these embryos must paid child support,
she should loose right to her 14 kids, I think all the Children must be taken out of the 2 bedroom house and be placed for adoption,there are so many couples in this world who would love to just have a child.


sholeh   February 28th, 2009 12:58 am ET

With this show about Nadya you are persuading the others to do the same ,become famous and get alot of money. If I know that I will get $ 135,000 per month, I will deliver 10. How much do you think the day care make per month taking care of more than 30 kids.
I think the best way is to take the kids from her and kick her out.
She is the dirty avil.


Ron R   February 28th, 2009 12:58 am ET

I would all you people and the news media to do this before you cast judgment walk in this womens loving soul and give in to the fact despite of money issues all of the world should see the love for her children and what this young women has to put up with just becuase the rest of you can not feel what she feels even the women who have had children. Jesus please come to the side of her and keep her safe from the people and their opinons , most of all give her the support and love so she can think it with out being put in corner and and Dr phil hosting the show l as you should know how much can anyone take , becuase of the media and all the attention how would you and the media are pulling her apart and putting her in denial, who cares if she has no real means of support give in the fact that babies are in good shape at this time move forward and give her the support
give in tothe love god and life itself . can you people sleep tonight god give this Young Women all the help in the world to help raise her kids bless her. and condem the all poeple that are casting stones, Love life and give her all the help in the world,


Linda   February 28th, 2009 12:58 am ET

Hang in there, Nadya


jenoye roland cole   February 28th, 2009 12:59 am ET

I hope Angels in Waiting's offer is accepted, 24/7 top notch professional pediatric care plus wonderful human helpers free–with housing provided. Munoz, her spokesman, is operating from fear (or some other motive), but his judgment is about equal to Suleman's, to make excuses for not accepting such an offer. Since I've known about the offer for over a week indicates he's in some kind of denial or cross purposes.
The doctor who implanted her again after she had six under eight is an immoral doctor who made unethical decisions. The father called him into question and told him not to do it again long before Nadia got pregnant with the last six at once. Gloria Allread's best use or purpose, in my opinion, would be to bring suite against the shallow-thinking implanting-happy doctor and win at least $ 100,000.00 per year for all the children's welfare until they are 21.


Theresa   February 28th, 2009 1:00 am ET

My great grandma had 16 children (with multiples) and no one asked her to "give them up". They didn't have insurance and lived in a 900sq ft farm house. They were a strong, loving, christian family who accepted and appreciated the love and support of family, friends and community.


caroleundwd   February 28th, 2009 1:00 am ET

yeah, probably we will pay not only for the kids but also the collagen lip injections the porno flick and anything else the wretch wants to cash in on. shame on dr. phil for sensationalizing this story.


Janos   February 28th, 2009 1:00 am ET

Eddie Cintron

If you care about the children, I can tell you that being with this neglectful mass reproducing idiot is not what's best for them. She can not possibly provide all the attention and personal support all of her children, some of whom have Autism and ADD, will need to grow into healthy adults. Twenty years from now these kids are going to be in bad shape, and they're probably going to want big families too....

Really the problem isn't her though, it's us. All of us who let this type of thing happen, we're to blame. She should have never been allowed to have eight embryo's implanted when she already had six special needs kids, and it's our societies "Anything goes" policy on reproduction that allowed this to happen. It's going to take some man getting hundreds of women to gestate his offspring and flooding the system with hundreds and hundreds of children before most of us will wise up enough to say "Hey you know what, three children is a reasonable limit, maybe four, but after that get her tubes tied in the operating room"


Jody   February 28th, 2009 1:00 am ET

Maybe the Wall Street banker who took millions in tax dollars could help finance Nadya Suleman


Reg   February 28th, 2009 1:01 am ET

@ David
Peace be with you


Joan OBrien   February 28th, 2009 1:01 am ET

Nadia is a narcissist. Those precious babies should not suffer under her disfunctional APDisorder. Show the before and after pictures of Nadia when she had thin lips. In her head it's all about her: fame, money, attention, etc.


Jeri   February 28th, 2009 1:02 am ET

In the Commonwealth of Virginia, to adopt a child they put you on a home study, check your bank accounts, your background, your job, credit and randomly pop up at your house. They find stuff you didnt know you had, it's worse than buying a house. I think the same procedure should be done for people who want to explore IVF, it would cut down alot of crap.
I pity those kids. They are who are going to be hurting. This woman has straight lost her mind. At $50,000 per treatment, looks like somebody could have paid down the mortgage with that money instead of being so foolish. There are deeper reasons why this woman went this route as another poster pointed out. She is fulfilling a psychological need of some sort. At the expense of those children and taxpayers. How sad.


lisa   February 28th, 2009 1:02 am ET

I am watching your show now on nadya suleman. First, these kids should not be in any foster care. Granted the mom is not wrap right in her head, kids should be able to stay with their family. now she is lucky that she has gotten so much help, only because her skin color is white, she has gotten some sympathy. Well, I know she is probably really starting to feel the nightmare begining.


Janos   February 28th, 2009 1:04 am ET

bellany from CA

Why not? I'm trying to wake people up to the genetic crisis our species is facing. The unintelligent reproduce in litters while the intelligent among us often don't even have offspring.


Tee   February 28th, 2009 1:04 am ET

I would like to add that there are very big differences between Nydia and the duggers and jon and kate

THe duggers and Jon and Kate....before the shows were stable ...they had jobs.......i did some research and they knew that having children required love but it also required funds.........

Nydia has neither....even the first set of octuplets who are about 10 maybe 12 now...the parents had jobs.....

HOw different is Nydia from a welfare mom sitting up and having babies..............

there is nothing worng with getting assistantce if you need it but some people really abuse the system and Nydia is one of them......

THe spokesperson from the church she claimed she was going to get help from first, said that they never had a meeting about it nor did they even know her other than she making an inquiry years ago about the children's ministry......one of many lies......

what people don't realize is that the media has to like her in order for her to gain her fame...if no one likes her then advertisers will not spend money.....


Jeri   February 28th, 2009 1:04 am ET

p.s. Theresa: Did your grandmother have all those 16 children at one time?


james   February 28th, 2009 1:04 am ET

Iwas rai5sed with 12 brothers and sisters we were dirt poor but my single mom loved us and raised us with good morals we turned out good three college grads and 2 that own small business im glad mom didnt put us up for adoption what has happened to America!!!! leave nayda alone or try to help her instead of tearing her down


amyinwi   February 28th, 2009 1:04 am ET

stop picking on this woman!! yes- she has made a mistake, but these precious young lives are not mistakes. God has a specific plan for each and every one of them. They deserve a chance to be raised by the mother that loves them. No matter "how much this will cost the taxpayer" puuullllease!!!
Foster Care??? NOT the answer. This woman obviously loves these children! As a foster parent, it's not the answer to throw them into foster care! I have seen the damage caused by kids bouncing around in foster care

I"m sorry that Nadya's mother seems so cold and uncaring- I can understand her not agreeing with Nadya's choices, but what's done is done,and she sure doesn't seem to have a heart for her grandchildren!


Rhonda   February 28th, 2009 1:04 am ET

Has anyone noticed the silence from the so called "prolife" leaders regarding Nadya and the babies. How about an earmark from the Republican Party and a grant from Sarah Palin for a bigger house??? After all her reason for having 8 babies at once was because she did not want to "kill her babies". So she used up all her stored embryos.

We all know the answer. Prolifers only care about children BEFORE they are born, when they are not costing them any money. Now that they are here, 8 adorable little humans, they can go live under a bridge for all they care.


Heather Barrett   February 28th, 2009 1:04 am ET

I am just blown away about the negativity on this issue. is it the anonymity of the internet that gives people the right to just go off and say anything thay want. I think not. It is disrescpectful and unethical in itself, or should I say just plain rude.

As I said before what is done is done, and the only option at this point is to help this woman to help HER help her children. As long as she has the support of family and friends and church members, she wil do just fine. It is the interferance of the media and the disrespectful people, that have inflated this to unbelievable proportions.

Could you deal with the Paparazzi following you around and bumping you, and have cameras and microphones in your face 24/7? I could'nt, and I don't think too many of you would like it, or function well under that kind of microscope, so put your money where your mouth is and get over it. We are adults here are we not?

We need to focus on the positive not the negative. All of that negative energy just rubs off on everybody, until everybody is angry, and that serves no purpose what so ever. We must focus on the positive, it is the American way.

People have gotten real selfish in this day and age. That is obvious by the comments on this blog, and the way the Republicans are already out there trying to discredit Obama, by touting failure of his plan. Yeah there will be failure if Washington is at odds, and people are working against the common good rather than for it. You reap what you sew.


Shahin Sakhi   February 28th, 2009 1:05 am ET

I would rather my tax money to be spent on such inexpensive rarity rather than being spent on war making game of our government. I rather support her teenager mind than our government's mature mind that uses enron-like pyramid method of vacuuming nation's wealth to deep pockets of few.


Eddie Cintron   February 28th, 2009 1:05 am ET

Surely, I can't believe the attacks on this woman after the effect that this already done. Its time to get help for these kids and make sure she can get the counseling she needs to raise these kids
ABOUT THIS ONE NO ONE MAKES A HYPE ABOUT THOSE WOMAN THAT WANT TO DESTROY THE THE LIVES THAT CAN BE BORN. Shame on that type of thinking and actions, I do think and believe that doctors should be held liable for the safety of mother and child in this type of birth.
In Jeremiah (one of the boy's name) God told Jeremiah 1:5, I knew you before you were in the womb, and I set you apart before you were born. If God's eye is on the sparrow then I am sure that He will take care of these little ones but God can only work through the hearts and hands of men and woman that allow themselves to be lead of Him.


Catherine   February 28th, 2009 1:05 am ET

As much as we want to condemn the mother of these children is it any wonder why this happens when what is viewed on TV are shows like "18 Kids and Counting" and "John and Kate plus 8??" It seems to me that there are MANY people who are having way too many kids and TV producers looking for cheap TV shows are promoting this as entertainment.

From what I have seen of this mother she seems to be naive and out of touch with reality. I would not be surprised if she is watching the above extreme family shows listed above and from that she has some weird idea (even if it is on a subconscious level) that having 14 kids is a way to get attention.

Sad but not surprising....


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:06 am ET

Be strong Nadya!! God is on your side!! This is revealing the Truth of how people feel about big families general and why women feel the need to abort there babies everyday. The truth about families is being revealed right here on this blog. You all do not care about the welfare of these kids,if you did then you would support or shut-up...

Babies are being killed everyday through abortion clinics!!!! Where is the concern!!! Man can do whatever he does,BUT only God can give LIFE!!! These kids are here and they have a purpose ! Probably to show the ugliness of our hearts.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 1:06 am ET

Sam Webb: I work for CPS That is why I am upset… I know what will happen. We will end up taking the children from the hospital and not let the mother have them until a full investigation transpires…

@ Della I agree with you… foster care is NOT good… but we will take her until we can decide what to do…

@ Linda! Right On!!! You are so correct! ~whew~ some people understand…

Someone had mentioned the genetic pool suffering from this stuff… I agree


n rogers   February 28th, 2009 1:06 am ET

I am so infuriated with Dr. Phil again asking for people's help with this selfish stupid woman who had the gall to have 14 children while she is not married, has NO JOB, and lives with her poor mother. She did this because she wanted to cash in with these kids and receive attention. I am a Dr. Phil fan but I can tell you his position of wanting to help the children via donations from hard working people is making me question whether or not I even want to watch the Dr. Phil show anymore. Dr. Phil's career is being tarnished by his actions. These children should be taken away from their mentally ill mother and given up for adoption. The reason she won't accept Gloria Allred's offer for nursing and a place to live is because she wants the MONEY instead. People in this country can barely afford to take care of their own families, they don't need to be paying for a woman's deliberate actions of stupidity. I fear for Nadya's mother, I think she is being taken advantage of by her daughter and from the interviews, I think she is frightened of her. The social services of California should step in immediately and do what is right for these kids, put them up for adoption post haste!


Jody   February 28th, 2009 1:08 am ET

We have families who are homeless in this economy...this woman has committed no crime and until she does she is entitled to privacy and her life. Should her situation be monitored by social services, sure but she's being tried by the public and she's committed no crime. She hasn't even neglected her children...being poor, unrealistic and demonstrating bad judgment isn't a crime. Dr. Phil you've behaved as though it is. We may all feel very concerned for these children but the fact is that Suleman doesn't owe the public a damn thing...until she proves otherwise.

I had 2 premature babies and no one ever told me to replace my carpet or paint, if anything the off gassing will be very bad for the new babies...what is Kaiser Permenente thinking?

They're is more cause to put Kaiser under the mircoscope than their is Suleman.


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 1:08 am ET

Eddie,
If you are going to quote scripture...perhaps Nadya would benefit from "honor thy mother and father" Her treatment of her mother was absolutely the most disrespectful thing that I have ever seen. I also do not remember anything in the bible that states that a woman should have children out of wedlock.


Chuck Rymal   February 28th, 2009 1:08 am ET

When another woman has 10 or more children no one says a thing.When she has them all at once and is happens to be White This is news. Nothing said about non Whites having a standard of a lot of kids. Who is going to pay is a big question asked. Why hasn't anyone asked who pays for the other cultural norms. People have the self righteousness to say a White woman cannot have children and take them home with her. Where are all the reality checks for the millions of children born to families with culturally high numbers of children. The home visits, the asking if she can do it ??? All the cultural bias only for the kindness and compassion of a poor white lady who loves her children. Be they 14 Poor Black, Poor Mexican, or Poor White welfare kids. No has the right to say any thing about her.


mike from michigan   February 28th, 2009 1:08 am ET

STOP THE BULLY, SOUNDS LIKE WERE BACK IN SCHOOL. BACK TO NAME CALLING. NIK PICKIN. (OH! WHATS HER LIPS LOOK LIKE, WHATS HER KIDS LOOK LIKE, WHATS HER MOMMY LOOK LIKE) COMMON. WE HAVE MAJOR PROBLEMS IN OUR COUNTRY MAN, WERE IN Serious TROUBLE. THE STATE NEEDS BUDGETS CUTS SO THEY ARE IN A HURRY TO GET THEIR QUOTA BEFORE THEY CAN HER BUTT. DR PHIL FIND SOMETHING ELSE .... TALK WITH OPRHA SHE CAN HELP YOU OR MAYBE ROSEEEEE.
BYE.............. LEFT OCTO ALONE, THANKS. SORRY BUT COME ON . MAN


David Thompson, Michigan   February 28th, 2009 1:09 am ET

Mr. Parsons

Same to you, but more of it. lol


Peggy   February 28th, 2009 1:09 am ET

I'm sure there is more to the story regarding the Angels in Waiting Offer. Gloria Alred is hungary to get involved in this mess and it isn't because she"cares".That women is self promoting and is involved in this to benefit for herself first. If she really cared about offering Angels in Waiting, why wouldn't she just connect her friend that runs the program directly with Nadya and then step away. Nooo... she insists on staying in the mix... very telling. I suspect since I watched GLoria was on TV recommending that Child Services take away the children a week or so ago that she is not to be trusted by Nadya. It wouldn't be wise to separate those kids or put them into foster care. That is no bargain for them at all. I believe the OctoMom made many mistakes but allowing her kids to be taken away would be her biggest mistake now and she can't trust Gloria to be honest and a true help. Octomom needs to figure out a plan and a way to get assistance that will not hurt the taxpayer and to admit poor judgement publically with a promise to and work hard to try to make a good life for her children now in the best way she can. She also needs to show more respect towards her own parents publically. They look exhausted and aren't spring chickends! I am very doubtful of Gloria Alred and think she has an alternative agenda. just my 2 cents!


lisette littlemeyer   February 28th, 2009 1:09 am ET

She will not take "Angels" up on their offer because, they "provide housing" , and she doesn't want that . She wants us to BUY her a house . the woman either does not know how to think of the health and well being of her children, or she just doesn't care to . She has the nerve to say she loves her children more than anything! she has no concept of what parental love entails , and is clearly not capable of parenting in a real way they all need to be taken , and she needs to be charged with abuse.It is an absolute sin to bring that many children into this world even if you can provide for them , after one or two of your own children if you still desire more there are plenty of kids already brought into this world that need love .


ROYALITY 25   February 28th, 2009 1:10 am ET

THE MEDIA ONE DAY WILL HAVE TO BE TERRORIZED !!!
EVEN THE PRESIDENT IS AFRAID OF THE MEDIA . CEO . CLERGY , & NOW EVEN THE COMMON WOMAN. THE WICH HUNT REVISITED !
MAYBE SHE , LIKE MY SISTER WHO HAS MANY CHILDREN , THAT HAS ENRICHED ALL OF THEIR LIVES BY TEACHING THE KIDS RESPONSIBILITY, AS WELL AS ,GIVING THE LOVELY MOTHER, HELP, LOVE [ WICH IS BY KNOW MEANS IS INSANE TO SEEK ] DORTOR PHIL , ONE WHO PASSES JUDGE-MENT'S THE WAY YOU DO , MAKE THE HOLLYWOOD DEBUTANTE'S BEHAVIOR PALE IN COMPARISON . THOSE KID'S [ IF TAKEN ] WILL BE TAKEN BY PEOPLE LIKE YOU DOCTOR AS WELL AS THE NEWS ANCHOR WHO HIDE'S BEHIND THE EDITOR, WHO HIDES BEHIND THE HIGHER UP'S ECT.. TIL IT GET'S TO THE POINT WERE PEOPLE DONT EXIST. JUST PROFIT & MOB-MANTALITY.


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:10 am ET

TEE: The only difference between Jon& Kate and Nadya is the fact that they were married!!!!! Jon & Kate could not have taken care of all of them kids by themselves and remember they were only trying for ONE more!!!! Due to the reality show John and Kate can stay at home with there kids!! Leave Nadya alone!!!


Chere   February 28th, 2009 1:12 am ET

I cannot belive that every news channel is covering this story! Since when does the media get to decide if a mother is fit or not...oh wait, I guess now. If Dr. Phil and Oprah says she is crazy then the American people should too. I forgot that is how our society works. I don't agree with her choices but to actually take her babies away...come on!!
Apparantly, people really dont understand our foster care system or they would not even suggest this. The mom might be off or addicted to having babies but she does seem to love them.
I am shocked and amazed that we are actually having this discussion. Who am I to tell someone how many children they can have? Yes, I believe its irresponsible but so are millions of other americans and we are not taking their children away. Is it a crime to be poor now?
I am reallly tired of hearing people complain about how much tax dollars its going to take for these children. Its over. Its done. Yes, it cost tax dollars but in the whole scheme of things is 8 children REALLY going to make a significant difference? I don't really want my tax dollars to support women who have 8 children by 8 different men but it is how our system is designed so we live with it. Why arent we talking about how many women use abortions as birth control? Why should my tax dollars pay for women who are irresponsible and get pregnant over and over and over to have an abortion?
All I hear is hate towards this woman. It is really none of our business. Why do we think we have the right to take away her babies just because we don't share her same values or principles? Any person with any amount of common sense understands that it is crucial for babies to be with their mother. Has she abused any of her other children? No....she loves them. Her only crime is that she has alot of children and no job. It is a sad day in America when all you hear on all the news channels is about a mom who has 14 kids. America seems to be more upset about a mother having too many children than a mother who has one abortion after another. Yes...it is a sad day!


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 1:13 am ET

@ Elizabeth Phillips

We have about 30,000 unloved unwanted children in group homes in the county I work in... How about you adopting them.

Talk is cheap! How about you take in these children who have been burned, raped by the age of one year... and many more horrible things.....


Jody   February 28th, 2009 1:13 am ET

Are you guys kidding...if being a narcissist and having plastic surgery was grounds for removing children from their parents Hollywood would be childless


Sapphire   February 28th, 2009 1:13 am ET

I think our country should be like the Asian countries where they only allow 2 children. I think that is plenty, but 3 is alright. We should have some restriction on how many children a women can bare in her lifetime. This is one of our economically problems because people have to many kids. Too many that come in the world that need jobs...... jobs that are just not there.


Denyse   February 28th, 2009 1:13 am ET

We have reality shows like "17 and Counting" where a big deal is made of one woman having an 18th child!!! Is it any surprise that someone who may be emotionally unstable would react the way Nadya is responding? And is it any surprise that she would now look to get a reality show out of the deal?
As to taking the children away, is there any evidence that she has failed to care for her other children? If not, I would say "No" to taking these children away, though I would suggest that the courts mandate assistance. Do not give her the option to turn down help from organizations such as Angels in Waiting as she did today.


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 1:13 am ET

Jody,
I think that she has severely neglected her children in the sense that they will be deprived. I had an extremely preemie baby too, who now has learning disabilities. When my child was born he had medical visits every week, medications, therapy appointments etc...well into his elementary school days.
We decided to only have two children so that we could devote the time energy and money it takes to provide the best care and attention possible to address our children's needs.
Her first 6 children with special needs desperately needed her attention and care to ensure that they will have a good outcome and she turned her back on them.


andrea VanDyke   February 28th, 2009 1:14 am ET

I cannot believe how the media has become involved in this woman's life. The children are doing fine, and are not in danger at this time. If something happens to indicate that the children are not being properly cared for, I could understand the intrustion. Also, why is no one talking about the doctor. She could not have had the babies without him. I'm sure those in the media think twice before they make negative comments about the doctor, knowing that they could be sued. Since there is so much scrutiny about the mother, why not interview the doctor. We don't know that the mother will not come up with the necessary resources to take care of the babies. Most people would not want 14 children, however, we are not a country that instructs it citizens on how many children one may have. I say, stay out of this woman's life unless there is a problem. With all the publicity, the hospital is probably afraid to release the children.


JoAnn - MN   February 28th, 2009 1:14 am ET

Nadia is an extremely selfish irresponsible woman. She loves the idea that she has 14 children, and she had total disregard for the fact that these children deserve to grow up happy and healthy in a loving "home" atmosphere. Now, because of her need to boost her own ego with all these babies, they will end up being part of a circus for the rest of their lives. Their lives will never be normal.

I would have loved to have had more children myself, & gone on to get my degree but realized my responsiblity was to take care of the children I had. Feed them, cloth them, give them a roof over their heads – their needs came first. Not mine!

Just because she gave them life, does not mean she is able to give them everything they now need – it is physically impossible for one person to give all 14 children everything they will need every single day.

Yes, people should be upset about picking up the tab for her irresponsible behavior, but these innocent children are the ones that are paying the biggest price.


David Thompson, Michigan   February 28th, 2009 1:15 am ET

@ Bellany High five.


Sandi   February 28th, 2009 1:15 am ET

Ms Suleman continues to give conflicting stories to the press. She stated to Linda West of Angel's in Wating she did not want to accept her offer because she hoped to have her own, "reality show."

To those in the media who claim to be supporting Ms Suleman and are concerned for her children, "Why are you not offering her therapy?"

And why the dishonesty in the media as to who is paying her. The media has a place in the anger people are feeling, call it lack of transparency.

My hope, with the investigations, CPS will conduct, on whether these children can be cared for by her will insist on a psychological exam.

I also hope the State of California insists on an audit of her income. Medi-Cal will be billed over 1M plus for her hospital care and that of the babies.

Lets talk accountability, not only by Ms Suleman, but her supporters.

Sandi


Connie   February 28th, 2009 1:15 am ET

Victor is so busy, busy, busy that he can't take time to meet with Gloria Allrege to insure the babies care but has prioritized house repairs (and blaming Kaiser for that!) and doing the LKL show. He is now officially part of the bizzare circus of Nadya's insanity. Do you think they're just stalling for the highest bidder or is this train wreck just taking on more delusional and disorganized passengers?


linda rogers   February 28th, 2009 1:16 am ET

Another thing-Extreme Makeover on ABC-couldn't they build her a home FREE>I see an upcoming show they build one to help a Mexican family who help feed kids over the border.Our country sure wants to help Mexico and African kids-what about kids right here!!ABC could build a home. Some one get Nadya a job. Then use those nurses a year at least to help her, Get the Nanny-JO- to help teach the 6 to help pick up toys,and give each a minor chore to help out,organizing the home,not writing on walls etc.And lets get the press away from the house and stop bother them out in public.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 1:17 am ET

@ Elizabeth Phillips Nadya is NOT her name its Natalie


David Mauldin   February 28th, 2009 1:17 am ET

Dr. Phil
I would like to say that my Wife and I adopted TRIPLETS one year ago on Jan 26, 08. We only had 21 days from the time we got the birth letter until we where matched a week later the we drove our car over 1200 miles to meet with the birth family. Who was put on bed rest and was scheduled to have a C-section at any time. This moved realy fast for my wife and I to take all of this in and to become first time perants.

I wounder why the Octomom mom waited until after the birth to make future plan for the babies and her. If she new the house she to small to accommodate the six she already had and more on the way! This is poor plaining on her part as well is the saft of her kids.

It takes my wife and I both to take care of our tripplets and then some!!... Likly both our parents live close to us so the both help us out!!! I can even imagin the feedin schedule or changin diapers every 2 to 3 hours. But we have servied the first year thr suport of our friend and church helped us out; greatly in clothes and cribs for each one of them.
I dont understand how she plans on keep this childern with out any help!


Theresa   February 28th, 2009 1:17 am ET

Jeri...

My great grandmother had single, double, and triple births. One right after another. But why should that matter? Family, friends and community came together and offered love and support. Our "family" reunions bring back and strengthen the true meaning and commitment to old fashion family values!

Love ya Nayda
Theresa


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:17 am ET

Sapphire: Whatever happened to the womans right to choose...? Why when a woman choose to have kids instead of killing them it is wrong..????

The economic problems is not because of people having kids. It is because of greediness from the wealthy .

Leave NAdya alone!! This economy has done nothing but show how sick and selfish we really are!


Sarah Johnson   February 28th, 2009 1:17 am ET

I would love for everyone to see the movie "Idiocracy."

This woman is a prime example of the kind of people they talk about in the first part of the movie.

I can't read any more of these "supportive" comments. I'm glad so many people are willing to pay for her irresponsibility. On my tax forms this year I will leave the "donate the money you worked hard for this year to Octomom" box unchecked. Oh wait, that's not an option. I pay for it whether I want to or not.

Another instance of innocent, responsible Americans paying for the mistakes of selfish, irresponsible people. Maybe all you people supporting her should just PayPal her some money for more cosmetic surgery and more IVF treatments if you think she's so great.


Janos   February 28th, 2009 1:18 am ET

Eddie Cintron, I love how you excuse this woman's horrible behavior by bringing up abortion. You can compare a fetus to a baby all you want but it's totally besides the point.

Nadya had six special needs kids already, she should have had her tubes tide in the operating room after giving birth. In any reasonable society her children would be taken and placed in good homes through foster care, but our society isn't reasonable and our foster care is about as bad as first world country foster care can get.


Reg   February 28th, 2009 1:18 am ET

All I am saying is I am sick of the abuse of the system. I don't care if she has 100 kids if she can take care of them, but she can't


Tee   February 28th, 2009 1:18 am ET

I'm tired of people saying " WE" need to help her find a solution.....

It amazes me......really it does that people use the word " WE" so loosely....I didn't have invirto with her.......I did not help her have these kids.....

I know a girl that has 8 kids all under the age of 12. Should we get her a spokes person, a tv show, .....and she concieved for free.

YOu see society will look down on her no matter how much she tries to better herself.......even some of you who are supporting Nydia......

She has graduate college and she still recieves little assistance, but she takes care of her family.

This lady should just take the offer from angels in waiting and I agree with people who are saying, that she should use her degree and go into business for herself, but I hihgly doubt that I would let my girls go there......

someone will...who knows


Janos   February 28th, 2009 1:19 am ET

Sarah Johnson THANK YOU!


Jody   February 28th, 2009 1:20 am ET

Seriously, what right does anyone have rewriting the rules for Suleman? Does every parent with a premie have to change carpet and paint? Are they subject to home inspections? This woman's rights are being shamefully violated and I hope she buries Kaise in a lawsuit.. Agree or disagree you can't write rules that only apply to Nadya.

I can hardly believe that Dr. Phil would criticize Suleman yet sit back in silence while mocking television clips of her play. Seriously, Suleman is bad and the conduct around her is what?


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:20 am ET

@ Dodie if everybody come together and love there neighbor as thyself...alot of the things that are issues would not be. These are human beings these baboes as well as Nadya is your neighbor. Watch your mouth


Sharon   February 28th, 2009 1:21 am ET

I am a mother of four under seven years. I have a seven year old, twin five year olds and a three year old. I did IVF for all but one and previously had four surgeries and years of sadness. I went through a tremendous amount of work with my doctors to discuss the outcomes and the IVF. Although I am religious, I chose to see the IVF as a gift from God and that I had to respect the process and the risk involved. I also had to be smart enough to know that I had to take the technology as a "whole process" you don't get to choose which part to accept. I am so frustrated with those who claim a strong sense of Christianity and Religion when it comes to IVF. They use technology to create pregnancy and then when it comes to using the same technology to have the eggs destroyed or leaving the eggs, they then claim that God is involved. You have to have a clear understanding that if you play with this kind os technology you will be faced with very difficult decisions. And for the record, I work at my kids school to help pay for it, I also have a full time job and my husband works nights. We are responsible to our amazing children. I don't see how this woman could make these choices alone and that it is okay for her to engage in this technology when she has a horrible living arrangement for her children. Child and Family Services needs to step in. This woman is like a spoiled brat in a candy store, I want, I want, I want. This is a criminal act and legislation obviously needs to be taken to the next step. Bottom line: a single woman has no business making babies her business.


Janos   February 28th, 2009 1:21 am ET

"All I am saying is I am sick of the abuse of the system. I don’t care if she has 100 kids if she can take care of them, but she can’t"

Frankly I do care, because her children would be competing with my children for resources and breeding them into extinction, spreading learning disabilities and generally bad genes for intelligence through generation after generation.


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 1:22 am ET

Elizabeth,
This is not about a woman's right to choose or about abortion. This is about a sociopathic woman.
DSM definition of a sociopath is a person who has “disregard for the rights of others. There is a failure to conform to society’s norms and expectations that often results in numerous arrests or legal involvement as well as a history of deceitfulness where the individual attempts to con people or use trickery for personal profit. ”. This woman manipulated the system, lied to her friends and family, and did everything she could do to get what she wanted.
She does not care about the needs of the 6 she had, what makes you think for one moment she will care about the 8 she has just brought into the world?? According to her...she had these kids to fill "her needs" There's a reason to have children.


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 1:23 am ET

Your right… I don’t care about her. I feel sorry for her children… I don’t want to spend any more of my energy on her or her children. I only hope they investigate her welfare fraud and prosecute her to the max placing her in prison.

Jody... having plastic surgery and lying to the welfare office saying you have less than $2,000 in the bank is grounds for welfare fraud. In California you can not have more than $2,000 in the bank while receiving state aide. Having plastic surgery certainly costs more than $2,000

Good night! Have a wonderful evening and weekend!


Sapphire   February 28th, 2009 1:23 am ET

Elizabeth, I believe I never said anything about killing a child. I just simply said that we should be more cautious about how many children come into this world. Sorry, but baby booms and people having lots of kids is one of our problem. Think about a little.
I know that there are a lot of greedy people out there and that this country is messed up, but there is always a solution..... And still having too many children has had an impacted.


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:24 am ET

All of you talking about the system ,so you not all use the system. WIll the system pay for your social security checks.or your unemployment. Nobody know what tommorow holds so watch what comes out of your mouth.
I pray that God takes care of her real good and shut the mouths of you all screaming and hollering at her...


Janos   February 28th, 2009 1:24 am ET

I say 3 children and that's it, you get your tubes tide by Uncle Sam. We can't afford to have another 14 special needs children squeezed out by idiots like Nadya, our society can't sustain it and our species can't survive any more dumbing down.


Jody   February 28th, 2009 1:24 am ET

Janos and everyone else is screaming at Sulemon over tax dollars while a fleet of Wall Street banks just paid themselves billions. A better use of our time would be dogging them and demanding that they be fiscally responsible. I have more issues with paying them billions than I do my tax dollars going to feed these babies.


Reg   February 28th, 2009 1:25 am ET

Janos
I hear you, but it is already done. What need's to happen is to get it stoped with her. The only way that is going to happen is to start with the doctors


Janos   February 28th, 2009 1:25 am ET

Elizabeth Phillips, I pray that you don't reproduce.


Patsy Rabago   February 28th, 2009 1:26 am ET

It is so sad for the children. They have no choice in this matter. As Dr Phil says "Someone has to step up and be a hero" Where are the heros for this poor unfortunate group of babies? I do not think they should take this poor womans children from her. Why dont they make the Dr. that planted the embryos pay for some of the expenses, he knew better than to implant them into the mother. I hope help comes for her and her children soon what is done is done. Prayers be with her and her family.


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 1:26 am ET

Elizabeth,
The system will pay for our social security because we pay into to it. As for unemployment...if we act like idiots on the job and are shown to be fired for cause, we don't get paid. Maybe Nadya should be held up to the same standard.


Sarah Johnson   February 28th, 2009 1:28 am ET

Janos no prob. I'm actually quite sick of hearing about this chick. People seem to forget that no one is holding a gun to the woman's head and forcing her to give interviews and have a spokesperson, though. We're all picking on her and invading her privacy. HA! Like she isn't eating it up. You don't have eight babies with no job because you love your privacy and think that you can do it all by yourself. If she has half a brain (doubtful) she knew exactly how this would all play out.

I can only hope that all this attention from the media and society will stop her from having more babies. Maybe it's just enough attention that she doesn't need to pop out more premies in order to feel important and loved.


Terri   February 28th, 2009 1:28 am ET

Is that how we treat children , grab tiny little babies by their feet hold them upside down and throw them around? That was not only stupid , it was evil. I am sick and tired how this kind of garbage can be shown on our telavisions. It is no wonder that babies end up in micro waves, and freezers, in dumpsters, and garbage, and molested and raped and killed. That kind of stupidity just shown on Larry King tonight was a disgrace . The fool that had that skit was from a different show but some lady presented it on Larry King while Dr, Phil was host. That was a horrible decision, disrespectful and Humilitating to Nadya Suleman.There is so much crime being commited towards babies and children we do not need these fake babies thrown all over the place to give these warped minds any ideas. I support stop crime againest children, in any way shape or form. What was so funny about that evil clip. What was the purpose of showing it on Larry King show. I wonder what Nancy Grace would have thought about that . Throwing infants around like trash. I personally found it very offencive. Dr Phil was waiting for the lady to read some comments of the people in regards to Nayda and her 8 infants, sunddenly she rolls a clip from an other show with this idiot throwing infants around, sure they were fake , that still does not make it right. they were repersenting Nadya and her Babies,.This was totally evil, stupid and immature and narissistic,


Janos   February 28th, 2009 1:28 am ET

Jody have you read anything I typed? I'm not screaming at anyone over TAX DOLLARS I'm trying to wake people up to the genetic crisis that faces our species.

The unintelligent reproduce in litters and the intelligent rarely reproduce, who do you think will be passing their traits on to future generations? The unintelligent, that's who, and intelligence is effected by a variety of genetic factors.


Lisa Johnson   February 28th, 2009 1:28 am ET

I cannot believe the savage nature as to air this woman's mother's financial affairs publicly. So what if her mother's home is foreclosing; millions of families are facing economic troubles.

The chances of her having 8 kids were 1 in a billion...basically none. I don't think the doctor was behaving irresponsibly by using the last of her treatment. If odds were slim ANY would take, it would make sense to use them all...in the hope that one would take.

What happened was a once in a billion chance. I would say that miracle is between her and God. Her 6 kids seem [pretty well adjusted. All 8 newbie almost went full term. She seems to have rolled with this all OK so far. I don't know why she does so many interviews and entertains trying to defend herself. She needs to be resting...she just had 8 kids.

Maybe the haters should lay off. She doesn't owe us anything and who are we to pass judgement. 1% of your tax dollar's goes to social services to begin with don't act like she's breaking the taxpayer's back. Stop treating her as if she's a criminal for wanting one more child. It's insulting and offensive. Since when do we dictate who has the right to have kids?

Perhaps CNN should cut her a check for all the viewers, money and passion she's brought the Network?


Dodie from Irvine CA   February 28th, 2009 1:28 am ET

@ bellany from CA ... Ah, you leaked out your education. Not too many people know the "DSM" too funny! They are now called anti-social personality disorder but actually I think she is probably more boarderline personality disorder with narcissistic tendencies 🙂 🙂

Good Night. Bellany.. thanks for making me laugh! Ya gotta laugh at all the crazineness...


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:29 am ET

Sapphire: Only ONE gives life! People are important. People are God's give to the world. Back in the days people had large familes not making even half as much money as we make today! We make life so complicated and it is not. If you are so worried about the worlds resources then eliminate you and your family. If everybody that was concerned avbout another usisng your resources..ELIMINATE yourself.....! See yall not really concerned. The world was not perfect when you was born and still will not be when you die...Does that mean that you should have never been born..?


erick   February 28th, 2009 1:30 am ET

I think this woman is a nut-case!! She planned everything so well; now us taxpayers have to support her babies. When she gets the babies, how is she going to pay for 2 nurses on the clock 24 hours a day??? who is going to pay for that?? she has no job!!! Who is paying Kaiser Permanente for the OUTSTANDING deliverance and caring for the children??????? I can't believe this woman is going to get her children. The state should step in and take the kids away from this crazy and disturbed woman. There is ABSOLUTELY no way she can provide care for all these children. They are going to suffer emotionally and in so many ways. I think the best thing for the well-being of the children is to take them away from her and give them up for adoption so they can have the love and full attention of a "family".
And I hope it's done soon, because at this age there are most likely to be more people wanting to adopt a newborn. It's helps the baby to see one parent, one family, and not going from home to home.
Every time I hear or see anything in regards to this"octomom" absolutely angers me!!!


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 1:31 am ET

Elizabeth, (I'll post this again since you seem to be having trouble reading fast enough)
This is not about a woman’s right to choose or about abortion. This is about a sociopathic woman.
DSM definition of a sociopath is a person who has “disregard for the rights of others. There is a failure to conform to society’s norms and expectations that often results in numerous arrests or legal involvement as well as a history of deceitfulness where the individual attempts to con people or use trickery for personal profit. ”. This woman manipulated the system, lied to her friends and family, and did everything she could do to get what she wanted.
She does not care about the needs of the 6 she had, what makes you think for one moment she will care about the 8 she has just brought into the world?? According to her…she had these kids to fill “her needs” There’s a reason to have children.


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:32 am ET

Janos: Don't waste your time praying I have already reproduced!!


David Thompson, Michigan   February 28th, 2009 1:33 am ET

Just remember people God allowed this to happen for a reason. So lets do the best we can to learn from it. The truth is they are here and I know I don't want to see anyone nailed to a cross. So let us use this time efficiently to come up with a stern yet loveing way to figure out what the best way to handle it is. We can make right decisions or make decisions right. In my opinion She should not be allowed to keep them, yet she should be able to be a part of their lives. I am perplexed this has never happend before, and we will be juged by how we handle it so lets not be too hastey. Anyone have A good solution?


Tee   February 28th, 2009 1:33 am ET

Elizabeth.....THEY HAD JOBS.......THEY HAD INCOMe....Idon't care if there is one parent or two or five.........you can't by milk on love,,,,,,,

Let me go to the grocery store and ask for some milk or food for my kids and pay for it with love...you need more than love to take care of you children........

I don't think this lady deserves a tv show.....I think that she needs to have about 3 or 4 designated social workers or advocates to help her make sure the children get what they need.....

and mental sevices for the moms....she will need them....she has a lot on her plate......


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:34 am ET

Bellamy:She is no more of a sociopath then the women that flood the abortion clinics everyday killing there offspring disregarding the rights of the human being they are killing LEGALLY!


Janos   February 28th, 2009 1:34 am ET

"Sapphire: Only ONE gives life! "

Elizabeth Phillips you may not know this but life is biological, not magic.


Donna Ford Greenup   February 28th, 2009 1:35 am ET

I am ashamed of these Americans who are constantly critizing this woman for having these 8 babies. Yes she wanted one and God gave her a miracle, and increbidle MIRACLE! My third child was born 2and 1half months early& we didn't know hour to hour if he would live but I too got a miracle. I know that this is a miracle because she carried the babies and they are healthy. Americans should praise God and help this woman and the pampers and other baby product companies should help as well. Those who are too selfish to go without a beer or a pack of cigaretts and want to complain about tax money should shut up! Christians should praise her for not killing several of those babies early in her pregnacy. She obviously had enough faith in God, while risking her own life, to carry these blessed babies to a successful birth. We in America have helped millions of children and families for years! Why, now are so many uncaring people screaming out that this woman is crazy and that her children should be taken away from her and put into foster homes(which are not free) or given up for adoption! This is insane! You people do not have the right to judge her. The news media has crusified this poor woman and they should knock it off. Brad and Angie got millions for pictures of their twins (2) so why shouldn't this lady get paid for pictures or interviews. I have watched her on TV and she seems like a very rational and loving Mother. The odds of her having 8 babies are probably a trillion to one! Again, a miracle from God! I would personally like to see Extreme Home Makeover build her a house, and a car company, Ford Motors, General Motors, give her a car or bus. Lord Knows our government has given them billions of dollars. Let them show compassion and that they cando some good with some of this money besides give billions to their CEOs. I pray that caring Americans will embrace this mother and all of her children. Negative and hateful and judgemental people should mind their own business and let this Mother live in peace! I wish Nadya Suleman and her precious babies and adorable children all of the love and happiness in this world. I Pray that Americans will open their hearts and minds to her and her family! In Christian Love, Donna Ford Greenup


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 1:36 am ET

Hi David,
Here's a reason...so God could show us how we have become so selfish, so irresponsible, such a I want it now and who cares about the consequences society. here is the wake up call!


Jody   February 28th, 2009 1:36 am ET

Janos. Intelligence and the dumbing of America has been linked to environmental factors...not stupid parents having babies. I dont' know how you base your assumptions but Catholics are still having large than average families...I'm not sure many would agree that those people make up the shallow end of the gene pool.


Janos   February 28th, 2009 1:36 am ET

Elizabeth Phillips, you can compare a goopy semi-transparent lump of cells with no functioning cerebrum to a sentient curious baby all you want, but that has nothing to do with the issue at hand and you're way off topic.


JC   February 28th, 2009 1:37 am ET

Can Brdd Pitt and Angela Jolie adopt the octuplets?


Reg   February 28th, 2009 1:38 am ET

I can't stand Dr. Phil, Judge Judy or any of the rest of them. They are all in it for the money. If Dr Phil wanted to be a real doctor and help people he wouldn't be on tv. He would be in his office.


Angela   February 28th, 2009 1:38 am ET

I have to say that i am disgusted with society myself and your show this evening. with how we are trying to teach our children good values and manners and be honest people i cant let my children watch tv as you are saying its okay for this women to be mocked for having miracle babies , i doubt anyone thought it was going to turn out this way and any religous people that are against abortion understand the realty of selective reduction your murdering your child so by saying she should have done this your saying murder is okay. it takes a special person to give up there life for another soul to come into this world and an even bigger person to bring 8 into this world considering she could have died. and i cant believe that you people are allowing the miracle of delivery to be made into a joke on tv its a beautiful private thing!!! This whole situation has nothing to do with any of you! Her and her family should be left in peace. And i am ashamed to say that i was born into this day and age because back in the day this was normal to have so many babies and i am sure husbands died and you know what, people had alot more repect for themselves back then that they would have lent a helping hand nevermind doing what all of you are doing i think you are all terrible people, what is wrong with you and the world today , the lord put us here to help one another and to survive togther as one, instead its always a fight to the death. I have a friend who is from a family of 10 they are all loved just the same i have a grandfather from a family of 12 they are all loved the same i could go on and on . just leave the poor women alone and mind your own business unless you want to help, your all acting like your back in grade school !!!!!!!! how would any of you feel being put in that situation , i guess you cant even think it because your all a bunch of ******!!!!! Im a single mother of 2 and a childs love is what keeps a women heart beating , and a smile on her face , and to know that god gave me these two priceless gems i couldnt imagine being blessed with so many but i know i would of done what she did.and not to mention that there isnt a decent man left in this world that isnt takin or addicted to having affairs i almost think a mother and child are better off alone!!!! I can tell you my kids are very happy and they dont know there fathers because the fathers choose not to know them. this all happened for a reason, give her babies back and help her if you want if you dont want dont, but dont complain about your taxes considering if your paying to feed eight babies and raising hell about it, why not raise hell when more of your money is paying a criminals way of life in jail, to play video games and watch tv and get 3 meals a day. THIS IS NONE OF OUR BUSINESS!


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:38 am ET

Tee: They did not always have jobs. Remember the great depression..??? Like I said just because you have a job today does not mean you will have one tommorow! Nadya in the end will probably have more money then all of us.

By the way everybody knows that social security is paid for by whoever is working at the time...


Mother of TEN weighs in   February 28th, 2009 1:39 am ET

I am a mother of 10 (9 separate births). Although, I throughly understand Naydia, I do not agree with her and what she has done. But, right now; the media is being a child abuser. WHY? Because although this woman needs help; this constant ponding on her mentality is leaving her incapable of doing the job that she is going to need to do.

Right now she desperately needs as much love and help as she can get. Then, at a later point; she needs this repremanding. However, she IMMEDIATELY, needs counseling just to be able to get through the day to day obligations. But, this counseling need not to be the brow beating and ponding that she is enduring right now.

The babies do not need to be taken from her. Rather, she needs as much assistance as possible. She really does not know what she is doing and as a mother of 10, I did not know what I was doing. Although I loved my children to the utmost and we survived. It was an extremely tough situation to endure. But, what made it worse; was the constant criticism from the public. When, what I really needed was help.

I too was a college educated woman. I had decided from the conception of my first child that I wanted to do everything as nature as possible. I never dreamed that I would go on to have 9 more children. My decision to use natural birthcontrol was not well thought out and did not correlate to my lifestyle. But, I refused to even think of getting an abortion whenever I got pregnant. But, thinking about not getting pregnant again is where I was lacking. Even though I never planned to get pregnant; I did not do the necessary things needed not to get pregnant. Now that everyone is almost grown, I can look back and scrutinize myself. Plus, the fack that my 10 children have a mouth full to give me also.

Fact of the matter is, it is difficult to think when you have 1 or 2 children running around; leave alone when you have 5 or 6. You truly cannot think past, diapers, laundry, meals and cleaning the house and keeping everyone happy.

Naydia was not thinking clearly in making the first 6. And, she was not thinking clearly when she thought to make number 7 which turned into number 14. But, all that is water under the bridge now. What we the public need to know is that God will provide for these children.

The public and the media sticking their noses in and scrutinizing the way she blows the nose of one child and wipes the butt of the other and expecting the house to emaculant are not being realistic. They are as unrealistic as Nadya. As long as there are no bugs, rodents and filth; then the children will be okay as long as mom keeps focusing. She can manage the six. Now the 14, that is another story but it can be done.

And, just because there is not a crib for each one and even if there is not brand new clothes for each one; God will not punish her for that. Now freezing these embroys! I think God may frown upon that. But who am I to say.

This is what she is going to need to do this job. First and foremost, peace of mind. (that's a laugh) Fourteen humans demanding your attention at one time is not going to give you peace of mind. However, I mean peace of mind from the media. She will need to schedule into each day 2-two hour rest/time out periods for herself. She will need 3 mothers helpers who are middle-aged women and they will need in addition to daily breaks and days off; helpers. Each mothers helper will need 1 helper each. So, Nadya will need a staff of 6 not including a driver and a cook. With no money, she needs to start searching church groups immediately. Back up staff in the event any of the regular staff get sick.

Forget saying you don't need government benefits. That's what government benefits are for. When you get stuck in life. You will just have to let the public cry for a moment. But she will need to be devising a plan that will earn her money. Lots of money.

ANGELS IN WAITING: I understand why she did not accept the help from angels in waiting. She feel threatened right now. And, although she does'nt admit it, she is scared. I remembered how I practically isolated myself and my children because I thought someone was going to come and take my children. And, although I had not made good decisions, I felt like no one understood what I was going through and that I could not trust them. I believe this is how she feels. Although 'Angels in Waiting' are not asking for custody or for her to give up custody; in any future custody battle they can claim rights because they have established a relationship with the children.

PLEASE public and media!!! Think about the children and be kind to her right now. Although we have our opinions, we have to face the fact that the Almighty allowed her to be the mother and allowed for the children to be born alive. Even though she had a choice in creating them, NO ONE CONTROLS LIFE BUT GOD. You cannot be born here alive unless God decrees and if God decides that you die; no one can bring you back to life. So, give her support right now. She has done a crazy thing. But for the sake of those children who need HER right now. We are obligated as fellow humans to support her.

Believe me, I am mad as heck at her. Just, as I look back over my 60 years, I have gotten mad at myself. Btw. although I was a single parent most of the time while raising the children (yes, did'nt make good decisions on men either) I did not raise them on welfare and thank God now 2 of them have Master's degrees. And, although they give me lip about the tough life they had growing up; family dinners are the most beautiful full of laughter and love events you could imagine. The thrift store was my Lord and Taylors. They went years with out ever seeing a new coat or a new set of clothes. But, I taught them to look out for each other and how to pray and earn a legal dollar. We sold giftbaskets on the streetcorners to make a living. God will and does provide. However, if I had it to do all over again, I would want each and everyone of them but I would make better decisions knowing what I know now.

Give Nadya help. She will learn and see her own mistakes. And, she will learn to trust us and to let us in to help. Closing herself off is the worst thing she can do. And, that is what we are forcing her to do. She needs us.


Janos   February 28th, 2009 1:39 am ET

Jody, you may not know this but the environment is not the only thing that effects intelligence, a persons DNA also has a massive impact.


Mari   February 28th, 2009 1:39 am ET

The problem: 1 Greedy Physician, 1 Individual who needed mental help (Nadya) not kids to fill/mask her issues = 8 new beautifull victims.
Like all of U I don't want to pay for others mistakes. The solution is very simple. The Physician will now be made accountable by paying for the care of those children. Nadya is made to seek the help she needs plus supervision for her kids. She lacks in Judgement not in love. The damage is done . Now let's have accountability and move on.


Sarah Johnson   February 28th, 2009 1:39 am ET

Janos, obviously we are outnumbered here....I don't know about you, but I'm ready to go get implanted with 12 embryos so I can profit off the ignorance of others.

Unfortunately for me though, I am in a stable relationship and have a job and no other kids, so I don't think I qualify for that...but you know, I shouldn't even be thinking about that...just pop 'em out and I am sure there will be someone to offer me some deal or free stuff.


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 1:40 am ET

Elizabeth,
WOW! talk about way off topic. For your information I am not pro-abortion. I am however pro child. Do you understand that she had 6 children at home that have significant disabilities???? I am a specialist who works with kids that have special needs and a parent of a child that has special needs. Her first six needed her time and attention and she did not care!!!!! She was just looking for her next estrogen fix!


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:40 am ET

Janos I believe life is a Miracle and only God gives life. Not one of us can GIVE life...


Theresa   February 28th, 2009 1:40 am ET

Janos

"Frankly I do care, because her children would be competing with my children for resources and breeding them into extinction, spreading learning disabilities and generally bad genes for intelligence through generation after generation."

BITE YOUR TONGUE!

I have three children 7, 9, and 16. My youngest has autism and the other two have severe ADHD. Their father and I are not mentally challenged, god gave us our children because he knew they needed to be loved and cared for. I have my masters in accounting and human resources and my husband is a wonderful and loving father who supports our family unconditionally.

I'm now moving on from this blog, it has become unhealthy and demeaning to our human race.

Theresa


Jody   February 28th, 2009 1:41 am ET

This woman has not committed a crime nor has she been accused of neglect. Maybe socials services should go around and round up all the homeless families who have been recently displaced and collect their kids to pipe into the foster care system..they have at least demonstrated and inability to to care for their kids.


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:42 am ET

Bellany: If you were truly pro child you would leave Nadya alone and go down to those abortion clinics were babies are being killed everyday and make your complaints known. Right now these babies are fine. Get your priorities straight!


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 1:44 am ET

Janos,
While I agree with much that you say, You really cannot generalize about all disabilities. Some have a genetic component and others do not. Many children with learning disabilities have typical parents but were affected due to environmental or birth factors. Many people with learning disabilities also have non-learning disabled children. Also learning disabilities are not the same as intellectual disabilities. Thomas Edison had learning disabilities (his mother pulled him out of elementary school and home schooled him when the teacher told her that Thomas was an "idiot") but I think that we all agree he was quite intelligent.


Sarah Johnson   February 28th, 2009 1:44 am ET

Jody – completely not even the same thing. Don't insult the homeless by comparing them to her. They aren't out getting plastic surgery and being implanted with 8 embryos that will turn into babies that they KNOW they cannot immediately care for.

People lose their jobs, that is NOT always under their control. How can you even compare those people to a woman who has not had a job in years KNOWINGLY having eight more kids she knew she would be unable to provide for upon their birth?


Elizabeth   February 28th, 2009 1:45 am ET

To those who say: "Quit whining~it's none of your business"
I say: UH, yeah. It is. She brought 16 innocent children into the world. 6 who clearly look like they're baffled as to why their mother is suddenly giving them attention when the cameras are on them. Yeah, it's our business because we're footing the bill.

To those who say: "it's only a buck or two of your tax dollars so stop complaining."
I say: "Oh really?" Tell that to the hard working taxpayers of California who were already told they wouldn't get their State tax refunds in a state going through tremendous financial crisis. Nadya was hospitalized for at least 10 weeks, then there's the rest of her prenatal care, the delivery, hospitalization post delivery, & care for the infants now. THEN, they're estimating it'll cost upwards of $130,000 a MONTH to care for the infants. Not to mention, the food stamps, student loans she'll be taking out to "support them" (she said it, not me) that she'll most likely default on, & any other government support.
I tell you what, folks. If YOU think it's "only a buck or two".....YOU ALL GET TOGETHER & send her money yourselves & let the rest of us choose where we'd like our tax dollars to go....like to perhaps some VETERAN who dedicated his/her life to serving our country & has been spit on & forgotten, or to some widow who's struggling to stay afloat supporting her children, despite working every day. YOU foot the bill for NADYA. Keep in mind, you'll also be paying for her manicures & pedicures. Furthermore, even if it was A PENNY I had to pay for this woman, it would upset me. Why? It's a matter of PRINCIPLE!!!!
Don't let this woman fool you. She's doing this under the GUISE of being some devout "Christian."
She's a phony, a fraud, she's been milking the system for all it's worth. She's been in WAYYYYYY too much "pain" to get a job....even the most SEDENTARY of jobs HOWEVER, she had no problem breeding kids & chasing after them. She has NO problem RUNNING from paparazzi like she's some major A-Lister while running into her SALON appointments. Yeah, lots of pain, alright.
She's milked her elderly parents DRY. She smirks & mocks them when they discuss her refusal to work, help around the house, get a job, or even to get up at a decent hour in the morning.
Sorry, I'll NEVER feel sorry for this woman. Her kids, yes. So sad they were brought into the world by someone as selfish as this. As Dr. Phil said on his show: "Your kids were brought into the world with a JOB." The job being to "cure her loneliness." After all, Nadya said she wanted litters of kids because she was "trying to fill a void."
Nadya, here's a tip: How about gettting some damn mental help to work on filling that void & getting to the bottom of those issues instead of having a thousand embryos & every time you're feeling blue, having a dozen or so implanted. This woman is a lunatic. She needs to be evaluated. We need to stop coddling her & ENABLING her & feeling SORRY for her or the next time she's feeling "lonely", she'll go implant the rest because after all, look at all the attention & MONEY she gets as a result.


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:45 am ET

Theresa: I applaud you and your husband !!!! WE are living in a sick society. Janos is probably one of the people that as soon as they find out there child has a handicap they want to abort...


Jody   February 28th, 2009 1:46 am ET

Janos – do you have any idea how Aryan white supremacist you sound? I have seen multi million dollar genus parents raise ignorant irresponsible trash... repeatedly.


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 1:47 am ET

Elizabeth,
I don't give a rip about Nadya...she made her choices. I do care about her kids and their ability to receive the social, emotional, speech and language and physical support that they deserve and would get from a parent that could actually spend some time with them.


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:49 am ET

Even though I do not agree with her impregnanting herself! I do applaud Nadya for not destroying her frozen embryos. Just like I do not agree with premarital sex but I do applaud a mother that has the baby instead of killing the baby.


David Thompson, Michigan   February 28th, 2009 1:49 am ET

Elizabeth Phillips
remember the bible does say if someone wrongs you to rebuke them (scold sharply). If they repent to forgive (let go of the anger) them and Jesus added if they don't repent forgive them anyway. However there does need to be consiquences or it will keep happening, and she wont learn from this. She is in the wrong there is no doubt, but how would you like to be treated if it was you. Do onto others as you would have them do onto you. And I haven't heard her apologize yet by the way. I would like people to be easier on me if I repented than, and harsher if I didn't.


Reg   February 28th, 2009 1:49 am ET

Elizabeth
WOW!!! you said it all in that post. Thank you. Thanks for standing up for a "nam" vet


Sarah Johnson   February 28th, 2009 1:50 am ET

Elizabeth Phillips you are a hypocrite and I will not listen to any more of your blabbering. May I quote,

"If you are so worried about the worlds resources then eliminate you and your family. If everybody that was concerned avbout another usisng your resources..ELIMINATE yourself…..!"

Shame on you for saying something like that but scolding someone about abortion. You are no better than those you are scolding.


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:52 am ET

Bellany: Who are you kidding..? The reality is many of american parents are way too busy to even spend time with 1-2 children. Hush please the american way of life is no good for kids in general


Lianne Griffin   February 28th, 2009 1:52 am ET

One thing that everyone has seemed to forget to ask is: WWJD? What would Jesus do? He would lovingly and without question say that eveyone should find it in their hearts to help these people!!! I agree Nadya appears selfish and cruel to the parents who have obviously kept her and her SIX children alive! But, as everyone picked up a stone to throw at the prostitute and then Jesus said "You without sin go ahead throw the 1st stone." Isn't that what everybody is doing?! Why shouldn't these people get the same things that the septuplets and Jon & Kate got! It is a medical breakthough this mom did not ask for. She wanted 1, at the most 2, which was what happenend to her in the past. Yes, it was very irresponsible of her, especially with 6 other kids, especially since her older mother is exhausted from helping with the six, especially since she has no more money for food and needed things since it was all spent on mega toys and obvious plastic surgery. But the point is, those babies will not survive in their current environment, they won't survive if they don't get the love they need! Three people or a few church people will not be able to take care of 14 children, especially premie babies who need special care and not just normal love but extra love! Has she heard of FAILURE TO THRIVE?! That's what happens when you just give the most basic care and not enough attention. These people should be being paid for all these interviews, even if Nadya wants to say I'll do them without pay to prove to the people it's not about that! Everyone else would get paid, put it in a bank in the names of the children! Nadya should have those babies taken away if she rejects the help from that Angel Agency!! That is just plain stupid! Those babies need that & as a mother if you are truly selfless you would get rid of yor stupid pride and give those babies what they need. Her surrounding neighborhood should be going over there with diapers and clothing and formula!! Can't some rich person or star offer a diaper service or a maid. Why can't some construction company offer to build them a house as has been done with other large # of babies? People, step up!! Help!! That's what Jesus would want and should happen. What about the beatitudes? What about giving someone who's thirsty a drink and look into their eyes and you will see
Jesus! It will feel really good and then when you see those beautiful babies smile, laughing and growing you will remember that's what real love is! If I had more money than I knew what to do with, I'd donate a house and anything else I could afford! How can you people living in million dollar or more houses and could afford it live with yourselves not helping?!!! Oh you can be Ambassador of some other country, and adopt a child from each country, but your not helping your neighbors. If any star that had a good heart saw this on tv and didn't feel compelled to help, you should feel horrible about yourself! I wish I could help, but actually, I have money problems of my own, I'm chronically ill and in pain most of the time, but I will send something and we make less than 50,000 dollars for a family of 4. God is not going to ask us when we meet Him someday, what did you accumulate, but what did you do for my people. These people probably need more help than any of the famous other multiple births! PLEASE, PLEASE go deep into your hearts and see if you can come up with 10 dollars if that's what you can afford, it all adds up!
God Bless especially Nadya, her parents and those beautiful children and everyone else on this earth!!!


Jody   February 28th, 2009 1:53 am ET

Sarah Johnson...did you even watch the program tonight? The medical expert said he review Nadya's doctors success rate with IVF and the odds of all 6 making it based on his history was one in a million...let alone twins being produced.

Rewatch the program...the doctor still said it was irresponsible of the Dr. but as Suleman said from her first interview the odd were a million to one...Dr. Phil's IVF specialist confirmed that night. It wasn't 8 it was six...one million to one that 6 would survive let alone from twin embryos. based on Suleman's doctors past history Suleman would have had 1 or 2 babies tops.


Heather   February 28th, 2009 1:56 am ET

I see a lot of talk on this forum and many people do not have all the facts, and just run off at the mouth anyway.

She was working when she had the first 4 kids.

She was injured at work and had to live on disability until she got better. She is going to school, or will go back asap.

She had 6 embryos implanted, not 8. two of the eggs had to split into twins, and one embryo did not survive, do the math.....

She saved her money from working overtime, and paid for the IVF treatments, and used her last disability settlement for the last one.

She is obvious very pro-life, and could not bear to throw away any embryo's as she believed them to be alive at conception. Nothing wrong with that.

She had 6 embryos implanted with each pregnancy and only got 1 or 2 babies each time, this last time had to have been a miracle for, 8 babies to come out of 6 embryo's. Most of you so called Christians should agree with that as most of you are Right to Lifers.

Yes, she made mistakes, are any of you so perfect? I doubt it. I know I am not perfect.

Yes she needs the support of the public, not be ostracized for not making a good choice. She was also let down by her Dr. by him allowing her to continue IVF, knowing she could not afford another child. He should have gotten a psyche consult

The interenet seems to bring out the worst in people, and I find it rather alarming, and dis-heartening.

Now you have read the facts, and you can make a more intelligent blog after reading this one.


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:56 am ET

Sarah J : I meant every word. I mean how selfish is it to say the world can not support another human being..? LOL!! I mean come on we are all human beings!!! These is so convienient to want to rid the world of others and not ourselves...


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 1:58 am ET

Exactly Jody it is a miracle...it was not suppose to happen and she could have killed them like other people do when they get more then they planned for


Janos   February 28th, 2009 1:58 am ET

bellany from CA
"While I agree with much that you say, You really cannot generalize about all disabilities."

bellany from CA, I have not generalized about all disabilities, I have been focusing on heritable ones, and primarily heritable disabilities that effect intelligence.

"I have three children 7, 9, and 16. My youngest has autism and the other two have severe ADHD. Their father and I are not mentally challenged, god gave us our children because he knew they needed to be loved and cared for. I have my masters in accounting and human resources and my husband is a wonderful and loving father who supports our family unconditionally."

Did you know that a lot of negative traits are recessive? That means you and your husband can both be carriers for traits that cause autism and still not be autistic yourselves. As for ADHD, that can often be caused by environmental factors and it's often over diagnosed, it's quite possible your other two are perfectly healthy normal children who just got slapped with the label. However ADHD does have a genetic component, it's often dominate, and often adults don't even know they have it.


Janos   February 28th, 2009 2:01 am ET

Elizabeth, you can compare a transparant lump of goopy cells to a baby all you want but when they don't even have a brain between their membrains, you're just spewing your religious ideology that's based on personal feelings and the teachings of recent religious leaders.


Tee   February 28th, 2009 2:02 am ET

ELizabeth phillips.......Before jon and kate had their children...they had jobs..........

Nydia had a job, then used her workmans comp settlement to have children she could not afford......

you see nothing wrong with that.....you don't question her thought process.......instead you preach about going to protest abortion clinics.......
she could have given some deserving couples the gift of life.....i know 10 couples now that are trying to get pregnant and can't......

you are just as delusional as Nydia..I wish you luck........


Sarah Johnson   February 28th, 2009 2:05 am ET

Okay, thank you for nit picking. 6, 7, 8...I don't care. It's not that critical to the point I am trying to make.

She took an irresponsible risk. She should not be paying for IVF to have more kids (regardless of the number she ended up with) when she already has six, and some of which are special needs. She is already leeching off the system and knew that by being inseminated she would have to continue to do so. It seems she is not even bothered by the fact that other people are paying for her decisions.

This woman blows who knows how much money cramming herself full of embryos instead of using that money to care for her SIX other kids, considering she has NO JOB. Not to mention the amount of attention these babies will take away from her other kids. Does that sound very responsible?

For me this is an issue of being sick and tired of seeing people who work hard and make responsible choices in life pay for people who bite off more than they can chew. We live in a society with people like all of her supporters who are all too willing to scratch other people on the back, so long as those people overlook YOUR shortcomings and irresponsibility.

I just wish my parents hadn't taught me better so I could be the one people are throwing all their support and tax dollars at. Being a hard-working, decent person in today's society means you get slapped on the wrist for calling people out who make dumb choices.


Jody   February 28th, 2009 2:05 am ET

Janos, yeah...I'm pretty sure you state how many children "these people" should be allowed to have.

I have no appreciation for the your limited view of individual of contribution. I've seen developmentally disabled students change legislation. Its unfortunate that your expression of human contribution is so narrow and limited.

My autistic son is studying astrophyics ...he's is more brilliant than he is deficient. I'm the only person we even knows his diagnosis...he just seems different.

Sorry to have tainted your gene pool but I expect my son has already seen more success than you could ever hope for and he is only beginning. Didn't Beethoven come from a family of "defective" siblings?


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 2:07 am ET

Janos,
In your previous post you stated" Frankly I do care, because her children would be competing with my children for resources and breeding them into extinction, spreading learning disabilities and generally bad genes for intelligence through generation after generation.”
From that post one could surmise that you believed there was a genetic tie between learning disabilities and intelligence
In addition, while ADD often accompanies other disabilities it iis not specifically tied to intelligence. There are many intellectually gifted individuals with ADD.


David Thompson, Michigan   February 28th, 2009 2:08 am ET

Wow! Mr. Parsons not that is an attack


r. smith   February 28th, 2009 2:09 am ET

It was in VERY POOR TASTE that the clip of Joan Rivers as well as the clip from some other (comedy??) show making fun of Nadya and THROWING "babies" out into the air....and then showing Dr. Phil with a big smile on his face... To use these clips on this serious and heartbreaking topic is so wrong – especially on a high class show like Larry King. If he had been hosting I bet the clips would not have been shown. Shame on Dr. Phil!! He seems to get his nose into everything newsworthy. These poor babies should be the entire focus of this tragic situation. Yes, the mother has made the worst imaginable mistake. Enough is enough – We need to stop all the press regarding the mother and focus on the babies.


Reg   February 28th, 2009 2:11 am ET

Just speaking my mind Dave. Just speaking my mind:-)


Heather   February 28th, 2009 2:13 am ET

Bellamy: Only 3 of the 6 have disabilities. ADHD is not a disability anyway. Most ADHD kids are smarter than the rest, and get so bored they get into trouble. The other child is mildly Autistic. He interacts, and smiles, those are good signs. The 3rd child I am not sure what the disabilty is, but it is also minor.

Get your facts straight before running off at the mouth.


Linda Bronken   February 28th, 2009 2:14 am ET

Our airwaves are filled with self absorbed, narcisissitic, sociopaths. Nadya is no exception. The only one she truely loves is herself. She has children to fill her voids, and serve her needs. I have never seen her express one loving, caring, or compasionate gesture for her poor parents. She has used and abused their kiindness and generousity and love. She has made them pay over and over for not indulging her with a playmate as a child. If she truly loved her children, she would sacrafice for the good of their lives. She felt voids while growing up with the constant love and attention of two parents. She will have fractional moments to indulge these children each day. How deprived will their psychies be? She can't take care of herself, let alone 14 precious souls.


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 2:16 am ET

Elizabeth Phillips,
Truly you have a dizzying intellect. I don't think anyone is saying that the world cannot support another, they are saying that Nadya cannot support one nor 14 kids physically, emotionally, financially. Have you heard from her mother? Here is a woman who has devoted her energy, emotions, and finances to care for the first six and she doesn't feel that Nadya is capable of taking care of any of them! She thinks her daughter is selfish. Who knows you better than your mother?


Janos   February 28th, 2009 2:16 am ET

Jody, when a person already has six children, some of which have special needs, we shouldn't be allowing them to have more.

Look that's not an aryan thing, other nations have struggled with this as well and some first world nations have imposed, but not enforced, limits on how many children a mother is allowed to have. If you think it's unreasonable to stop someone who's already squeezed out 14 children from reproducing more, would you think it would be unreasonable to stop me from impregnating over a hundred women?

Jody do you support my right to get as many women pregnant as I want?

And as for your son, I said nothing about him. You're making this personal when it shouldn't be. If your son decides to have 20 children, then I'll have a problem with it, and chances are you will too because you'll have to help take care of them, but until then I don't care one way or another about your son. If he has a heritable disability that hinders intelligence I'd favor giving him a substantial cash incentive to get a vasectomy, but I'm not in favor of forcing anyone to get fixed until they're having so many kids that it's hurting the people around them and making victims out of their children.

Nadya's children are victims of Nadya's lust for babies. She "loves" them sure, but they're going to suffer because of her irresponsibility. She already has six kids that have it bad enough, now she's bringing in eight more. She should have never been allowed to get inveitro after already having six kids, several with special needs, living in a cramped abode like she has them in. She's clearly unfit to be a parent and I feel very sorry for her children because they didn't chose her as a mother.


Karon   February 28th, 2009 2:17 am ET

She has proven time and time again that she is in it for money.
Her words, her actions and her bouncing back and forth shows that she doesnt care about her kids. She sees them as objects to make money with. How does she take care of the 6 kids she has now?? Mothers dont need manicured nails. Where does she get the money to have manicures? She has no job she has nothing.

I think that the media should stop covering this topic because this is what she did it for. All she wants is publicity. As for a reality show...NO! All though I think that the kids should not be taken away from their mother and/or seperated from each other (which is probably what would happen if they are taken away from her) something needs to be done to make sure that any and all the money that this lady gets goes directly TO THE CHILDREN. All the attention needs to focused on these kids and keeping them safe.


lisette littlemeyer   February 28th, 2009 2:18 am ET

I am really angry with all these people who stupidly spout off about "children are a Blessing" " life is precious " we use to have large families" WAKE UP!!! this is 2009 we have completely over populated this earth as it is . we need to quit mindlessly mouthing old biblical diatribes and think in real terms. Life IS precious not just babies or a handful of undeveloped cells these same people are the first ones to scream about not having their taxes cut for welfare , not putting their tax dollars towards education, or health care, they covet embryos ,yet have no respect for the planet that has to support all these humans that embryos grow up to be . where is the food, money , clean air going to come from? yes , we did use to have big family's we also had so many square feet of land per person , that does not exist anymore nor do we have enough trees per person to scrub the air of carbon dioxide . we don't have the fossil fuel per pound of food that it takes to feed everyone , or the jobs to employ everyone. But I forget these are the same people that have no respect for science or logic , only their "final solution" which they call the rapture . well these people who keep pushing "life" down everyone else's throats are the very same ones who abandon these unwanted, uneducated, unloved adults the second they need help when they are grown. It is a sin against god and all that he has given us to not take responsibility for our planet and all of the problems we have been causing it . what we need now is population control . that would really be sticking up for life on earth .


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 2:19 am ET

Elizabeth Phillips,
If you feel so passionate about the subject...I have one question. Have you donated to Nadya's website yet? Put your money where your mouth is.


David Thompson Michigan   February 28th, 2009 2:19 am ET

Mr. Parsons
No. I was refering to the vicious women


Jody   February 28th, 2009 2:20 am ET

Sarah Johnson...if you really are a decent and hard working person you would spend your time chewing up the Wall Street bankers who just ripped you off blind from billions not some fragile human being who is clearly lost. I sincerely hope she gets the support she needs to fix her thinking... but again...why is she the focus of societal outrage while we say precious little to say about Lewis, Thain and Madoff who belongs in jail yet sits in a penthouse. Why aren't pissed off citizens camped out shouting obscenities at them like they do Suleman when Suleman is a comparative amoeba. yet we quietly accept their conduct...where's the disconnect? Do we feel we can change Suleman but not Thain or do we just despise the poor because we see them as weak then willing give billion to Thain because he doesn't appear as vulnerable as Suleman? But then, that would suggest that money isn't really the issue...weakness is.


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 2:21 am ET

Bellany:Go back over the comments Sarah J was concerned about those children taking her family resources


Jan Phillips   February 28th, 2009 2:23 am ET

Hmmm. There is a round the clock vigil in my town (and it;s cold here in MT) protesting abortion, and yet another religious right group moving the court to prosecute a "suicide ring" because of assisted suicide for terminally ill people. I don't believe the govt OR the religious right should have any say in what choice a woman makes about her body or a terminally ill person chooses to end their life and yet I find myself saddened and angry about the fact that this woman with no job or home has 8 babies she most certainly can't care for any better than she did the 6 she already had which is why her mom is saying "enough already". The kids are here-whats done is done, but can we PLEASE do something to keep it from happening again. I just heard today that a man in Kentucky who is more than $100K behind in child support to more than 3 children to multiple mothers has to have a vasectomy-how about letting welfare pay for tubal ligations, anti-abortion groups being foster care parents (and if you are against abortion-don't have one) and all the folks against assisted suicide working with hospice. Maybe they will all have a better idea of what they are being so righteous about!!!!
Jan
Kalispell, MT


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 2:23 am ET

Bellany: I so plan on donating to her family website but I heard she was not accepting anymore help


Janos   February 28th, 2009 2:23 am ET

bellany from CA, it wasn't just about learning disabilities, but genetic learning disabilities (Key, Genetic Ones) did factor in. Here's the problem.

Genetic Group 1: Some people are born lucky, they're better able to learn, better able to understand things, better able to solve problems, even if the environmental factors are stacked against them and especially if they're stacked in their favor.

Genetic Group 2: Others are born less fortunate, they learn slower, they have difficulty grasping concepts, and they have extreme difficulty solving problems, even when the environmental factors are stacked in their favor and especially when they're stacked against them.

There's a group three also, which is average (which frankly isn't good enough anymore) but my overwhelming concern is that Genetic Group 2 by far outreproduces Genetic Group 1. You can, I hope, see where this trend might lead even in spite of all the environmental factors that have lead to higher education over the last century.


Dodie from Irvine   February 28th, 2009 2:23 am ET

(((((( DIAPER STATISTICS)))))): An estimated 18 billion single-use diapers are thrown in landfills each year, taking as many as 500 years to decompose, and commonly contain raw, untreated sewage (baby poop). Disposable diapers make up the third largest source of solid waste in landfills, after newspapers and food and beverage containers9. It takes upwards of 82,000 tons of plastic and 1.3 million tons of wood pulp, or a quarter-million trees, to manufacture the disposable diapers.

The only good about disposable diapers is that there is strong evidence that these diapers lead to adult male infertility. So keep using the disposable diapers and maybe, if luck is with us, we will start to decrease our population.

Anyone out there a micro-biologist? Millions and millions of baby poopy diapers in land fills should cause a huge influx of e-coli ultimately causing a pandemic in 20+ years.

@ Janos Elizabeth Phillips, I pray that you don’t reproduce. That was beautiful…. I agree completely! Our genetic pool taking another dive


Gayle   February 28th, 2009 2:27 am ET

I feel that yes, we need to look back and figure out why this happened, but more urgently we need to make sure that we look after these children. Nadya has issues and these issues need to be diagnosed and treated and the doctor should be disciplined for his actions. Unfortunately, we cannot change that she had eight babies to add to her six children. We can make sure that these children are looked after though. We have to come together to do so. I feel there has been too much looking backward and not enought looking forward to what has to be done. The public has to step up but, I think for that to happen we need reassurance that if she keeps all of these children that they will be looked after properly. She needs to help us help her. The first step would be to go and get her tubes tied to show us she will not do this again. She also has to prove she is getting counselling. Then the public might step up. I firmly believe that we should not jump the gun and take the children away from her. These children need nurturing and unfortunately foster parents are only required to provide basic needs and nurturing is often not included. The news clips I've seen showed her being nurturing towards the six she already has and despite her immaturity, hopefully she will continue to do so for all of her children. Nadya, prove yourself, let us help you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 2:30 am ET

Lisette: You holler about population control. China did the same thing then the earthquake came and killed many of there offspring now very few is left to support the elderly. When humans try to play God we will get in trouble every time. If we are so concerned about hte population stop having sex! The world is huge and is by no means overpopulated. The bible says Children are a blessing! It is so sad when people look at children as a liability then a contribution. Nobody knows what tommorrow holds so we can not plan lifre accordingly. Do we plan death..??? No !! So we should never plan life.


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 2:30 am ET

Yes Janos,

I am aware, especially since I have taken Biology, Genetics, Neurology, and multiple child development classes in addition to having a master's degree in a related therapeutic/ rehabilitative field.
My comment was directly related and very specifically to your comment that you made regarding "spreading learning disabilities" through reproduction.


Janos   February 28th, 2009 2:32 am ET

One last thought, just throwing this out there.

You need a license to drive a car. You need a license to own a gun. You have to be a certain age to make big decisions like joining the army or voting. You have to be 18 to by Cigarettes, and 21 to buy beer. But there is absolutely no standard on who can have a child.

As soon as we talk about child rearing it's suddenly a taboo subject, how dare I say that a heroin addict with no home should be given money to get her tubes tied right? Well, there in essence is the problem, ANYONE who's fertile can have a child, they could be a pedophile, they could be into incest, they could be a strung out druggie, they could be homeless, they could have an 87 IQ level (thinking of a certain senator), they could view children as objects or property or fun little dress up dolls...

There's something wrong with that type of anything goes attitude towards reproduction, and until someone starts growing fetuses in artificial gestation pods by the thousands I don't think many of us are going to wake up to that reality.


Jody   February 28th, 2009 2:32 am ET

Jaros- my son developed Asbergers after he suffered a shot reaction, so did 2 of his cousin. You have no idea what caused Suleman's child's autism

Premature babies often have disabilities it isn't genetic frailty .

Seems striking that no one has drilled John and Kate Gosselin... how was Kate to care for the kids with John at work all day...they didn't have enough, they didn't seem to know how they were going to manage. How many were implanted into Kate? Yet when she gave birth the country celebrated. Were they realistic, was carrying their six babies responsible did they get community help and donations for things they couldn't afford..yes. Why didn't Dr. Phil talk to them about Kate's pregnancy and how realistic they were in having 6...the risk to the kids health...taking some of their to foster care because they also had too many...


Sarah Johnson   February 28th, 2009 2:33 am ET

Jody you just proved my point. Everyone takes the blame COMPLETELY off the idiots who bought houses they couldn't afford, and the like. How convenient. Yes the guys you mention are scum. However, I could have gone out and got an ARM on a house when they were handing them out like candy on Halloween, but I didn't, because if something sounds too good to be true, especially when it involves money, it IS. People need to take responsibility for doing dumb things instead of allowing people to pat them on the back and console them. If people don't have to own up to the things they do, they never will.

The only reason I didn't mention Wall Street was because that isn't what this discussion is about. It's about Suleman. Forgive me for staying on topic. To clarify, I am also disgusted with that, too. I also don't like my neighbor's annoying dog barking at all hours of the night, and I don't like seafood. If I listed everything that bothered me, we'd be here all night.


Janos   February 28th, 2009 2:34 am ET

bellany from CA, hereditary learning disabilities can be spread to future generations, and become more prevalent in our society if those with them out reproduce those without them.


Dodie   February 28th, 2009 2:34 am ET

@ Elizabeth Phillips – Just shut us all up and adopt the 14 children. I would be happy with that! I see you all talk and NO do! So how about it… you take care of all 14 children as this woman clearly will be unable to.

@Janos I think Elizabeth Phillips has no idea what you are talking about. Again... Genetic pool intellectual issue


bellany from CA   February 28th, 2009 2:36 am ET

Janos,
I think you are talking a lot about something that you know very little about.


Elizabeth Phillips   February 28th, 2009 2:36 am ET

Jody: You are saying exactly what I been saying. There is no difference between Nadya and Jon & Kate except they